Affies’ return to and limited participation in the Beeldtrofee Macro schools competition did not last long. It was just a half a season long return in fact for the school that holds the record number of wins in the tournaments long and illustrious history.
Based on the events surrounding Affies’ decision not to play against Garsfontein and Menlopark this year and the fallout afterwards, this news of their withdrawal is not unexpected. Whether the other Macro schools would have wanted them back is another story. Affies’ Beeld games against Centurion and Eldoraigne that took place this year are highly unlikely to resurface as normal inter-schools matches next season.
More interesting may be to see who Affies lines up as opponents to fill the void and help them get to a desired 15-game fixture list.
It’s already known that Westville Boys High from KZN will be one of the brand new opponents. There was also mention made that ties with Menlopark would be restored in 2015.
So for now, it looks as if the fixture list may consist of :
1. Kearsney Easter Festival Day 1 opponent
2. Kearsney Easter Festival Day 2 opponent
3. Kearsney Easter Festival Day 3 opponent
4. Wildeklawer SuperSkole Day 1 opponent
5. Wildeklawer SuperSkole Day 2 opponent
6. Glenwood
7. Maritzburg College
8. Westville
9. Jeppe
10. KES
11. Pretoria Boys High
12. Grey College
13. Waterkloof
14. Helpmekaar
15. Menlopark
So lyk Affies se 1ste span rugbybepalings vir 2015:
21 Mar: Helpmekaar (weg) – interskole
28 Mar: Paul Roos (150 jarige viering)
2 Apr: EG Jansen (Kearsney week)
4 Apr: SACS (Kearsney week)
6 Apr: Framesby (Kearsney week)
18 Apr: Westville (Tuis) – interskole
25 Apr: SARU (Wildeklawer)
27 Apr: Paarl Gim (Wildeklawer)
9 Mei: Grey College (weg) – interskole
16 Mei: KES (tuis) – interskole
23 Mei: Waterkloof (tuis) – interskole
30 Mei: Jeppe (tuis) – interskole
6 Jun: Menlo Park (tuis) – interskole
25 Jul: Maritzburg (tuis) – interskole
1 Aug: Glenwood (weg) – interskole
8 Aug: PBHS (weg) – interskole
@Cappie: Nee, dit is nie my siening nie – dit is die feite en waarheid. Dit is een oproep ver – as jy die moeite wil doen en werklik wil uitvind wat gebeur het. Indien jy nie wil nie, wel dan is die waarheid seker nie belangrik nie.
Jy sien Cappie deur ‘n ding te los gaan nie die probleem oplos nie. Dit bly daar en gaan nooit weggaan nie. Maar as Affies se hoof nie verskoning wil vra nie, dan weet ons ‘n ego is belangriker as goeie verhoudings.
@Djou: Dis jou seining Djou… joune! Ons weet nie wat is die waarheid nie. Die media het baie van die goed verdraai. Tot ons nie Dok se presiese verklaring het nie, en Garsfontein se presiese bewyse van stand van sake by die skool nie, sal ons nooit weet wat aangaan nie. En ek wil nou nie weer ‘n rookbom in die lug gooi nie. Ek dink ons moet hierdie ding net los. Jy gaan nie verkonings van niemand kry nie, en dit gaan in elk geval niks aan jou kan verander nie.So, ek gaan nou nie weer hierop antwoord nie.
@Cappie: Ek is nie een vir in die openbaar nie.
Hy kan net die hoof bel en se hy is jammer dat hy kinders huursoldate genoem het en dat hy op grond van verkeerde inligting oor 19-jariges wat aan hom voorsien is die besluit gemaak het. En finish en klaar – en so is die verhoudings weer reggestel en kan ons dalk in die toekoms weer wedstryde tussen die skole sien.
@BoishaaiPa: Dink hy werk by 4th Dimension.
@MikeSt: Net ter inligtimg..Mutual en Federal borg Premier Interschools…dis nie dieselfde as FNB se classic clashes nie…..Classic Clashes en die skole wat daaraan behoort het hulle regte op die wedstryde aan FNB verkoop vir n appel en n ui en vasgeteken vir jare. Gaan vra hulle hoekom hulle nie julle wedstryde uitsaai nie.
@Djou: Ek weet net nie waarvoor Dok moet verskoning vra nie, nietemin, dis in jou boeke. Die media smag na propaganda.
@Djou: Het jou geantwoord..Ja dis net hy. Een en dieslfde, Het bietjie kontak verloor laaste ruk.
@Djou: Aanvaarbaar!
@Cappie: Jammer, ek moes dit anders gestel het. Wat ek bedoel is dat ek nie anti-Affies is nie, net teleurgesteld. En nou weer dat Affies onttrek het.
Waaroor ek egter wel omgekrap is, is die volgende. Julle hoof het blatante leuens in die media oor ander skole verkondig en hulle sodoende beswadder. En tot op hede nie verskoning daarvoor gevra nie. As iemand verkeerd is, dan bied jy in my boek verskoning aan. As jy nie verskoning vra nie, dan vertel dit jou tog iets. Mense kry my respek onverdiend, maar ek sal dit vir hom terugkry die dag as hy verskoning aanbied.
@Rugbyfun: Ai tog! Selektief lees is ‘n probleem. Kom ek verduidelik in meer besonderhede.
Daar was verlede jaar geen wedstryd tussen Affies en Garsies se eerste spanne geskeduleer nie vanwee vol programme. Die skole het egter gedurende die seisoen onderling wedstryde vir die laer spanne gereel om aan hulle speelkans te gee.
Vir vanjaar was dit anders. Wedstryde is amptelik geskeduleer en 15 spanne sou teen mekaar meeding.
En oor die Beeldtrofee, sommige spanne is beslis benadeel, en ander se wedstrydbepalings verander. Die skole in Pretoria het wel punte verdien vir die wedstryde teen Affies. So, indien bv. Garsfontein teen Affies sou verloor, kon Waterkloof bo-aan die punteleer geeindig het en dit sou ander teenstaanders vir Waterkloof in die volgende ronde beteken het. En indien bv. Menlopark verloor het teen Affies, kon Eldoraigne deurgegaan het na die volgende ronde.
@BOG: Yes he often took centre stage in all forms of team sport he took part in
@MikeSt: 320 seuns in die skool, minimum 285 (19 spanne) op die veld elke Saterdag, sonder siekes of krankes, 300 (20 spanne). Die res moet of halfdood of moersiek wees. Groot, klein, vet of maer, die Bolanners jol, dis die attitude waarna hy verwys.
@kosie: Muralitheran , I believe, was a useful centre
Ek gaan die onderwerp los met n paar stellings en vrae wat die wyse manne dalk op antwoorde het.
1. Waaroor gaan skole sport eintlik?
My persepsie die deelname van kinders teen mekaar op alle vlakke van alle klasse en statusse maak nie saak of jy 10 jaar of 210 jaar al bestaan nie.
2. Waarna smag elke sportman op skool?
Om teen die beste deel te neem en die voorreg en eer te he om te kan kompeteer teen n koshuis gedrewe tradisionele skool. Ek se weer ons huidige Graad 11 praat nou nog oor hulle Grey Bloen, Grey PE, Glenwood en Paul Roos wedstryde.
3. Wat is die kriteria waaraan skole gekoppel word aan a Mutual en federal reeks genaamd classic clashes?
Moet dit n koshuis gedrewe skool wees want weereens word die normale dag skool die voorreg ontneem. Is n wedstryd tussen byvoorbeeld Kempton en EGJ nie ook vir daardie kind n classic clash nie?
4. Hoekom kan die massiewe makro skole nie in Makro en n Groot skole reeks deelneem waar al hulle spanne dan sal speel nie?
Bv Affies se 1ste speel Makro hulle 2des Speel Groot skole teen daardie 1ste spanne hulle 3des weer Makro skole teen 2de spanne hulle 4des weer groot skole teen 2de spanne.
So kry elke kind die kans om teen die room te speel.
5. Wat is persepsie dat die wen faktor nie belangrik is nie?
Waar leer n mens n kind die beste om kompeterend te wees op die sportveld volgens my want dit saam met dissipline is die kweek van waardes.
These “smaller” schools in Bloemfontein, seem to have done quite well on the “Top 50” list of BHP. In fact, better than most of the “bigger” schools in the other regions. Was there an error in the calculation of their points or is it rather a case that their strength is underestimated?
@BoishaaiPa: Quite impossible unless boys plays more than one game on a day……. or maybe its CT maths which I failed.
@Playa: Unless I stupid or cant read then i would answer your comment as its evident if you take your time and indeed read…………….
@Djou: Ag nee man! Dis mos nou genoeg. Waar het ek gesê jy haat Affies? Ek het nie eintlik ‘n saak wat jy van Affies of die hoof dink nie. Dis net jou gevoel wat jy mee moet saam leef, waaraan jy kan werk en iets aan kan doen.
Ons hoof wat jy probeer afmaak, is dieselfde persoon wat Affies die normaanwyser in die land gemaak het, nie net in rugby nie, maar in alle fasette van skool wees. Hy is die grootste bydraende faktor wat maak dat Affies gerespekteer word op alle vlakke van deelname. Dus, hoe hard jy nou ookal gaan probeer om hom af te maak by lede van hierdie blog (vir of teen hom) op ‘n besluit wat hy geneem het, behoort nie opinies heens hom te verander nie. Hy het soos altyd sy redes vir wat hy doen, en my ondervinding is dat hy meestal die regte besluite neem. En, ons staan by hom.
En laaste ding, ons kan die klippe gooi maar vat, want dis in elk geval net dieselfde vyf wat oor en oor en oor teen dieselfde berg pssss, soos wat julle hierna weer gaan doen. Ons sal maar weer net om dit lees soos wat ons die afgelope paar maande reeds doen op soek na positiewe bydraes deur lede van die blog.
Djou, ek is nie kwaad vir jou nie, maar gaan gaan bietjie terug en dink waaroor is jy regtig omgekrap, en kom daar oor. Net jy kan iets daaraan doen. “It’s within!”
@Djou: Dis die 2de keer dat ek post.Watse gewone leuns praat jy van.Affies HET verlede jaar teen Garsfontein se B-spanne gespeel. So kry maar jou feite agtermekaar voor jy valse aantuigings maak.So ook sou Affies nie hierdie jaar Beeldtrofee gespeel nie, maar wel teen skole wat Beeldtrofee speel.Sou vriendskaplik wees, dus met die ontrekking is geen skool benadeel nie. Weereens is jou feite maar beroerd!
@Cappie: Jy het dit verkeerd. Haat Affies glad nie.
Dit is die besluite van een persoon wat mense omkrap. Dit is baie inkonsekwent. En waarom doen niemand iets daaraan nie?
@Brotherbear: Please take the time and read my post again.
@Rugbyfun: Jy praat mos nou strooi man. Daar was verlede jaar nie ‘n wedstryd tussen Affies en Garsfontein geskeduleer nie. Die B- en ander spanne se wedstryde is in die seisoen gereel juis om laer spanne speelkans te gee. Hou op om jou gewone leuens te versprei – lyk my jy spesialiseer daarin.
@Cappie: Daar sal nie klippe gegooi word as Affies se hoofbesluitnemer net by sy besluit gehou het om te bly in die Beeldtrofee en teen ander spanne in Pretoria te speel nie – soos dit gebeur in ander stede. Een jaar in en volgende jaar uit.
@BoishaaiPa: Jy het my nog nie geantwoord oor Wimpie Vermaak nie.
@jakes: Helpmekaar has a bit more than 350 boys, of which a % plays rugby. Even though we are small and normally only compete with A and B teams, the Affies friendly fixture is very early in the year. They normally arrange matches against other “smaller” schools on the same day. Helpmekaar B-teams would play against their C-teams and Affies B-teams would play against other school A-teams (D against B, etc.) These logistics are much more difficult later in the season.
@Djou: W.r.t. disagreeing with a school’s decisions and moving on: I agree that one should not hold back on convictions, but we tend to talk much more (speculation and derogatory) than we action. As you suspect, there may be different reasons than those officially provided, but these will not be shared through Affie-bashing (comment more to acid-tongues).
@kosie: I understand the dynamics in a co-ed schools regarding sport and getting enough players etc. That is exactly my point in that as a school, you want as many of your learners to participate in sports as possible and if your lower teams only gets to play a game now and then, those boys will stop playing rugby and move to something else. To keep your depth and strength, you need those lower teams. Some gems have been discovered that played in u/14 and u/15 E teams. Bryan Habana is a prime example! The advantage of this kind of depth is that if you get a horrible season with injuries (As Boishaai did in 2014) and you loose up to 8 players at a stage, you can still be competitive and compete at much the same level and strength. That is the big difference between these type of schools.
@jakes: It’s really not the size of the school that counts, but the size of its commitment. A small school like Boland Landbou with 300 learners fields 20-24 teams regularly.
@BoishaaiPa: The problem that is experienced with many co ed schools is that the number of scholars in total that partake in sport is less than 40%.
I can use Eldoraigne as an example. The school has 1688 scholars. Of that amount 51% are female scholars. The total number of sport playing scholars are just over 600, girls and boys. You find a number of sporting kids doing more than one sport even in the same season.
Those 600 kids carry the school ito sport. Yes others do other activities of a cultural nature and there is nothing wrong with that, but to get all the boys to play some sport is almost impossible.
That is where the single gender schools have an advantage. They can easier muster 330 boys to play rugby to make up the required 22 teams. Co ed schools will struggle to do that.
I can understand both sides of the coin as I attended an all boys school but feel that some working solution must be found between the all boys and co ed schools. Even if it is just for bragging rights.
On a lighter note. My son went on a cricket tour to Sri Lanka the past holiday and played against an all boys school that apparently has 8000 scholars. Unbelievably around 7000 play cricket and they even have a rugby team per age group.
I see that Helpmekaar is now a regular fixture against Affies. I do believe that Helpmekaar do not even have 500 boys in the school. Correct me if I am wrong. How many teams can Helpmekaar put on the field?
@Djou: Hi, yes we do, but we always need to arrange extra matches either from clubs or other schools which is not the ideal situation, sometimes we cannot get games and half your rugby players are sitting on the sidelines on a Saturday.
@kosie: Big school in this context is a school with 20 or more rugby teams as per my definition. In big Interschools with Paul Roos and Grey, Boishaai have 27 teams in the field…Any other Saturday we field between 22 to 24 teams depending on what is available from the opposition. Even Gim as a co-ed school can field 22 teams if they really commit. Playing a school that only has 12 to 14 teams nearly leaves half your rugby players side lined on a Saturday. That is not ideal situation as these players also want to compete.
@RugbyFun: Dankie, ek gaan gereeld op die blog om te sien of ek meer inligting kan kry oor die verwikkelinge in skolerugby, om maar net te sien daar word weer klippe gegooi. Dit raak nou definitief ‘n holruggery, en dis elke keer dieselfde straatbrakke wat weer begin kef.
Ek is nou al regtig g-vol vir al die Affie-haters. Verlede jaar wou die wonderlike Garsfontein slegs met hulle B-spanne teen Affies speel en Eldoraigne ontrek ‘n paar dae voor die wedstryde. Affies moes in der haas wedstryde reel teen Pieterburg in die plek van Eldoraigne se wedstryde, MAAR dit word nie aan die groot klok gehang soos wanneer Affies ontrek nie. Wat die redes was van Eldoraigne en Garsfontein verlede jaar weet ons nie, maar dis hulle saak. Roger en BoishaaiPa julle comments is spot-on.
@BoishaaiPa: I hear what you are saying wrt small towns and the opposition available. I would like to know your definition of a “big” school. Is it the number of enrolled pupils, number of rugby playing pupils, number of teams per sport or the size of the facilities?
If it is facilities, Affies will fall in the small category.
@BoishaaiPa: But even Paarl Boys High and Paul Roos play co-ed schools in the vicinity. And in the past Affies played the schools in Pretoria. I can remember their games against FH Odendaal, CR Swart etc – and not all their teams playing.
What makes Affies different then?
@BoishaaiPa: I think Grey has to play the local Bloem fixtures nowadays in order for the players to qualify for Craven Week selection. I stand to be corrected but that’s the instruction passed down from the local FS school rugby body.
@Djou: I will agree on one point and that is that one does not pull out of prior commitments. On the Grey subject playing smaller schools. Grey is in a unique situation that there is no other school in close vicinity that can accommodate them or their teams. Thus they started their regular Interschools traveling all over the country. They have no other choice but play some local teams if they want some gametime. They do have long standing relationships with the likes of Sentraaal and HTS Louis Botha, but due to the nature of their surroundings they have no other option. I will bet you if they were situated in PTA or CT they will not play so many games against smaller schools as they will have more “big” schools to compete against.
@BrotherBear: You are misunderstanding – completely. Precisely what your boy experienced is what the other schools want to experience. And they were lead to believe it. But suddenly they were denied the chance (due to one person’s decision). And that is the point.
And please read the other posts – we are distinguishing between the decision of one man and a school. How can we lose respect for Affies as an institution? Never!
And your second sentence is your view only, and I must add I disagree with it. For instance, if I don’t agree with corruption, should I then not carry on fighting it because it will tell you who I am? In other words, if something is wrong we should not fight it, but just accept it because if I continue fighting it I will be viewed as a nagging bore.
@Playa: Just read the posts and you will find plenty of these posts by bloggers – by I must add, from Afrikaans “traditional” schools. It is not a thumb suck statement by MikeSt.
I ask you this. If one “traditional” school decides well in advance and inform the other schools that they will participate in matches against them, and then withdraws, and do it again, and again and again – then off course it creates the perception that the school (decision maker) thinks it can call the shots and everybody else must just abide.
@Kosie: I agree on your view that a place exists for both types of schools. But if boys only schools only want to participate against each other to provide all their teams with an opportunity to play, why then can some boy schools such as Grey College find the time to play other schools in Bloem with only A and B teams.
I must say, the anti-Affies comments have become quite stale. Although one may not agree with some decisions, carrying on about it reflects more on your own issues than those mentioned. Being from an Afrikaans school in Joburg and having played Affies earlier this year, my son’s comments on the game sums it up: “Dit was kliphard en bloedsweet, maar ons het teen gentlemen gespeel”. Says a lot about how the boys are managed. If you want to comment negatively about this, then first consider my second sentence.
@Djou: @MikeSt: Ja you see…it is that history and those other details that will lead to (false/true???) impressions about these inferiority complexes from people no in the know.
“There is a perception and I encounter that daily on the blog that Traditional schools has the perception that rugby evolves around them.” – MikeSt
Who on this blog has portrayed this? What informs this line of thinking from you? How can an outside observer not see this as some sort of inferiority complex?
@Djou: um – “traditional” – been around longer than 75 years, “boys only” – no girls admitted, “Afrikaans” – not English………….
@Djou: All boy schools are in the vast minority in South Africa. Rugby playing all boys schools are also in the minority if all rugby playing schools are taken into account.
What all boys schools have is a healthy representivity of national honours for rugby. The all boy schools as individual schools have far more bok players than co ed schools. This I believe will change in the future.
The question now is who is right? All boy schools wanting to play all their teams or co ed schools that wish to compete at the highest level? There probably is no simple answer and the answer will be determined by your experience. There certainly is place for both types of schools to perform at the highest level.
If boys only schools prefer to only play schools that can accommodate all their teams, their pool of potential schools is very small. That is probably why they prefer to play other boys only schools which then begs the question if all this inbreading is healthy?
@Djou: The Traditionalists don’t realize what they doing to normal day school boys. Its creates a unfortunate definition of class and shouldn’t be the case.
As i have said 1000s of times before its any boy from EG Jansens dream to play against a Affies / Gim/ Grey etc etc
@Roger: I don’t know what you mean by traditional boys only Afrikaans school. But, yes you were guessing – and we forgive you. No hard feelings.
@MikeSt: I thought about the traditional thing. Seems where it comes from is boy schools that historically played each other and it became a tradition to participate against each other.
It by no means carries a high status – just in the minds of some people who think they are better than others. But in this way you learn a lot about integrity.
Also, it is very easy for day schools to accommodate boy schools. Eg. EG Jansen, Brandwag or Die Anker can take hands and between them can provide Affies with all the games they need on a particular day.
It is already happening in the Free State where Grey College would participate against a number of schools.
@MikeSt: Noble as it may be and sound, the reality is that a “traditional” school does not exist to satisfy the needs or ambitions of another school but only those of its own learners…It has nothing to do with “looking down” or sitting on thrones. It is a simple fact that the bigger boys schools all prefer to play the same school on a derby or sports day. The logistics involved in trying to arrange another school for the other teams is a nightmare as most rugby fixtures are set. The other side of the coin is also that the “second” invitees might take it as slap in the face to be offered to play staggered teams. When we play Tygerberg for instance, we have to scramble around to organize games for other teams, The hockey boys have to play some other school and most of the time they cant be there to watch the 1st team rugby. There are plenty of festivals and such were schools can play each other only at 1st team level, but for “normal” season fixtures, you will struggle to convince any traditional boy school to abandon their traditional fixtures for new ones with up and coming teams. That is unfortunately the reality and unless your boy plays in a E team and gets to play regular games on a Saturday , it will be a difficult concept to understand.
@Djou: just seems to me that as the only traditional boys only Afrikaans school in the Northvaal (am I right – can’t think of others?) they are the “tall tree” and catch a lot of flack on this blog from other Afrikaans schools supporters.
Their fixture list also seems geared towards providing games for all their teams (rugby and hockey). When Dr Edwards was interviewed on the Premier Interschools TV insert he was very clear that this is Affies policy – can you fault him for that?
Maybe they prefer not to compete in the Beeld knockout comp because they believe the format places undue pressure on the kids and is geared towards A and 1st teams only. I really have no idea and am just guessing so if I am wrong I will move swiftly along……..
@Djou: @Playa: I might be opening myself for some critisism………
Would first like to comment on the issue of Verenigings withdrawal which i think is / was pathetic.
This is exactly my point that traditional schools appear to be in a different league than the rest.
There is a perception and I encounter that daily on the blog that Traditional schools has the perception that rugby evolves around them.
If a blog story were posted about Vereniging nothing of very few comments would have been made reason being it being a normal non traditional school. Alot should have said about it.
Surrounding school withdrawals this should not be accepted and organizations handling competitions and sponsors should not allow them back into those competitions again.
Affies as massive impact school should not withdraw from any game.
Its a massive honor for a day school to play against the likes of a Grey / Affies / Gymnasium etc and it is most of the time a highlight in their school career.
Traditional schools should stop doing an injustice to day schools and get of their thrones and compete against any opponent on any day irrelevant of the nr of teams nr of players etc etc.
Alternative arrangements can be made to host all teams by doing proper rugby days and getting medium / small schools involved to supply opposition to the large nr of teams the traditionalists have.
@Playa: With all due respect, Playa, Roger’s comments are unfounded. Thing is, Affies almost never has a weak team, but in the year they did, their headmaster decided to withdraw (note the distinction between Affies and their headmaster here).
And you are right, historically Affies had been the superior team. However, the key word is historically. Other schools caught up and the points difference will be much closer now. My view is that Affies may from next year onward still win, but by much smaller margins.
If you know the history, you will note that the one schools that always withdrew is Affies. They withdrew and re-entered numerous times in the Beeld trophy, withrew and re-entered the Tuks series, withdrew from the Outeniqua game last year and this year from the Garsfontein and Menlopark matches.
Clearly a pattern here, so in this sense one can understand why some people are upset.
You see, the other schools did not withdraw against Affies in the past – not even when Affies was by far the superior team. These schools continued to play Affies. Clearly, if you had an inferiority complex (as alleged by Roger), you would have withdrawn when losing by huge margins – and not continue to play Affies. However, the opposite happened.
@Djou: To be fair to Roger (not that I am taking any side), I can see where his comment is coming from. Read the blog on Affies pulling out of the Garsfontein game for example. It is populated by comments calling Affies arrogant and thinking they are better than the rest. Why? Because historically, they have been the superior team in the region.
Fast forward to Hilton pulling out of the Glenwood fixture. Notice the difference in tone by the unhappy bloggers, where besides a few jibes at ‘mommies boys’ running away from a hiding, there is no complex portrayed by those who feel Hilton’s reasons are unfounded.
Anyway, whether it’s an inferiority complex or just mere disgust and disappointment at Affies’ stance, I don’t know, and I won’t speculate. But there was no similar outrage when Vereeniging Gim pulled out of the HTS Middelburg fixture or when Linden pulled out of the Helpmekaar game.
@Roger: Let us make it easy for you. You name schools such as Centurion, Kempies and Menlo. And then say you identified them on the basis of blogger comments. As far as I am aware, no blogger from these schools commented on the issue – so I find it difficult to understand how you arrived at the list.
As for the other schools, if you actually took the time to find out what they are about and what they stand for, you will know there is no inferiority complex. They are proud schools in their own right and has nothing to fear from other schools.
So, it will be fair to infer that your comments were either not as unbiased as you claim, or you confused inferiority with something else.
@Vleis: On that score I agree. The pressure is always there. But it differs in some respects. In the Beeld trpophy you know that if you lose, your season ends. Therefore it is a must win. In a derby, there is always the next game. But in a derby, it is the traditional opponent you talk about all year long – almost like war. These things play on one’s mind and add to the pressure of performing well.
@Roger: Would really be interested in a explanation from a unbiased observer on the identification of schools in your post.
@jakes: If you genuinely believe that your persistent, negative interest in Affies is healthy then go for it. I’ve said my piece.
@Djou: The intensity and pressure of a game is judged by various factors, such as: the intensity of the build up; the media attention; the number of spectators attending; the history of the event; the pressure from the old boys; the level of jubilation/despair after a win/loss; etc; etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty that a big derby game like KES v Jeppe, Union v Volkskool or Boishaai v Gym are easily as intense as a Beeld final because (like a Beeld final) their whole seasons are defined by that game.
@Roger: Please specify. “From the comments made on this blog” is a very vague and convenient answer. Perhaps you wrote before thinking and naming schools. I don’t know. But it is a very dangerous thing to do if you don’t know the schools and judge them on the basis of some blogger comments.
Did you consider the fact that the schools are disappointed? Because they want to measure themselves against the best. And Affies sets the standard in Pretoria.
@Vleis: The intensity and pressure in a game is not judged by the number of attending spectators. Or is it? The number of spectators tells you something about the popularity of a game.
Beeld and derby games have their own unique attractions, but I disagree that the number of spectators determine the pressure in a game.
Just to answer your question. This specific article is about Affies and the Beeld trophy. Therefore the comments as per related article. You should rather ask the question : Why are there so many articles regarding Affies on the blog?? Not why people have an inferior complex towards Affies..
Vleis. I will not insult you or call you names, but not to be nasty, some of the school games that had 30 000 spectators on the field were the most boring games. The intensity and excitement on the field has a direct affect on the spectators. I wish you saw some of the Beeld semi’s or finals.
@jakes: If the Garsies episode does not bother you then why do you feel the need to comment negatively about Affies so often? Your school is not a local rival of Affies even.
If you think that the pressure is different in the Beeld to major derby games, then you need to see a kop-mechanic. When was the last time a Beeld game drew spectators in excess of 29,000?
@Djou: from the comments made on this blog – as I said, from an unbiased observer ……….
@Roger: A bold statement you made. Now, please motivate why each of the schools you mentioned have an inferiority complex when it comes to Affies.
@Roger: Because! And, it is not every one, only them. Exceptional individuals.
@jakes: as an unbiased observer it seems to me that the Northvaal Afrikaans schools have a rather large inferiority complex when it comes to Affies? Particularly EG, Garsies, Centurion, Kempies and Menlo – less so Monnas and Waterkloof? Why is this?
@Playa: Yep will leave it upto our friend Beet to release asap lol
@MikeSt: Have the fixtures been released yet?
Vleis-Die Affies/ Garsfontein episode het niks met my te doen nie en dis gedane sake en nie relevant nie. Die opsomming dat Affies se span nr 1 was in die land in die gegewe jaar waarvan jy praat was tot die uiterste al bespreek op die blad AGV en vergeleke die kwaliteit opponente wat hulle gespeel het in die einste jaar.. Indie hulle wel skole soos Garsfontein/ EG Jansen/ Monument, Nelspruit in die spesifieke jaar gespeel het, kon hul rankings anders gelyk het. En ook die feit dat Affies se JNR spanne onder die top 3 in die land is, kan tot die uiterste bespreek word. Waaraan word dit gemeet behalwe die friendlies wat deur die jaar gespeel word. Die Beeld trofee is ‘n perd van ‘n ander kleur en die intensiteit is baie meer as in vergeleke met ‘friendly’ games. En dit wil voorkom of Affies weereens omtrent geen van die sterker skole van die Noordvaal speel in 2015 nie of hulle probeer vermy.. o ja, ek het vergeet, dis seker omdat hulle nie genoeg spanne in die veld kan stoot nie
Very interesting Kearsney Easter 2015 fixtures to say the least…………..
@kosie: Yeah you are 100s. I actually confirmed this over the weekend and then left Klofies out by mistake.
@jakes: You have every right to be unhappy with Affies pulling out of the Garsies fixture in the last minute – that was poor form. However, it does not give you the right to make up nonsense. Affies had a mediocre 1st team in 2014 but their u14, u15 and u16 teams were all in the top three teams in the country – let alone Noordvaal. Are you also forgetting that their 1st team was ranked number 1 in the country just one year ago.
Stick to the facts.
Depending on what time of the year the Menlopark / Affies game are scheduled, it might clash with the Beeld trophy fixtures. Menlopark will defenitely put their Beeld trophy fixtures as a priority
@jakes: Yeah right ou Jakes, you believe that if it makes you feel better
Do not want to sound rude but the competition became too tough for Affies..The days that they ruled rugby in the Noordvaal and the Beeld trophy are over. A lot of the leading rugby schools in the Noordvaal has overtaken them and do not see Affies as a thread anymore..
@Beet I believe Affies will still play Waterkloof. This fixture started a few years back.