Graeme Rugby Day 2017

Graeme College in Grahamstown will once again play hosts to a well organised early season rugby day that attracts most of the Eastern Cape’s top rugby schools annually. Graeme is expected to field a fairly competitive team in 2017 and will test themselves against provincial powerhouses Selborne in the main match.

TIME DATE SCHOOL SCHOOL EVENT
08h00 Sat.25Mar Muir Cambridge Graeme Rugby Day
09h10 Sat.25Mar Union Nico Malan Graeme Rugby Day
10h20 Sat.25Mar Dale Brandwag Graeme Rugby Day
11h30 Sat.25Mar Queen’s Framesby Graeme Rugby Day
12h40 Sat.25Mar Marlow Grey HS Graeme Rugby Day
13h50 Sat.25Mar Kingswood Pearson Graeme Rugby Day
15h00 Sat.25Mar St Andrew’s Hudson Park Graeme Rugby Day
16h10 Sat.25Mar Graeme Selborne Graeme Rugby Day

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  1. Some nice match ups here…..what is the best route from Toti to Grahamstown?

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  2. @Speartackle: I hear the N2 is a mess…best bet would be to go via King Shaka Airport straight to PE, rent a Tata Indica, and gooi an hour’s drive up the N2 to Grahamstown :mrgreen:

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  3. @Hustle: Some nice mathups indeed. I’ll attend and watch all the games.

    Brandwag didn’t impress me much at Grens festival two weeks ago. I must admit that watching them at Graeme Rugby day for the past two years…they have really impressed. They usually have quick backs with sublime skills.

    Another interesting match will be that of Queens vs Framesby. QC has big forwards, not sure about Framesby. If QC want to win that game though, then they better start K.Kroutz at 10, that will surely set alight the QC backs.

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  4. SAC vs Hudson…the men for GTown will be hungry for revenge after their narrow loss in East London against the men in Pink :mrgreen: .

    I don’t see Graeme beating Selborne either. :-|

    Any predictions for Saturday gentlemen?

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  5. @Hustle: @Knight_CHS07: Well balanced match ups indeed.

    I have no idea what Brandwag has in store.Queenian is closer to that action.One thing though is that they have big packs year in year out.

    There are no obvious winners in my view.Barring maybe Selborne over Graeme.

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  6. @Rainier: Wish I could.Based in the Cape Town.There will be a couple of blogges there though.But keep mine cold till the Grey Festival if youll be attending and we’ll have a big cheers then.?

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  7. @Playa: Brandwag will have a decent pack and have one or two good backs but with a very weak under16 group moving up I don’t think this will be there best team.

    Framesby on the other hand have a really good team big forwards and some sublime backs so QC will have there work cut for them if they want to win this one.

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  8. @Knight_CHS07: Muir were really bad against Kingswood last Saturday played well for the first 50 min and were down 5 nil and things looked good but after some wayward passing and gifting Kingswood some soft tries they fell apart so they will have to step up to be competitive against your team. Might be a long day at the office for Muir but saying that they have some very good backline players and a solid front 3 so lets see.

    How the Cambridge Under14 and Under16 teams looking like.

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  9. @Playa: Grey are really a unkown this year, they will not be bad that I can tell you but how good time will tell Marlow will be a good test.

    And St Andrews have a really good side young but good 2018 they will really be a hand full. Kingswood hard to tell in the second half they looked good against Muir but Muir were shocking so all I can say is they nothing like last year.

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  10. So My Predictions.
    Cambridge ( By 5 )
    Nico Malan ( By 20 )
    Dale ( By a hair )
    Draw ( Depends on what QC team arrives )
    Grey ( By 5 )
    Kingswood ( By 5 have know idea what Pearson is like.)
    St Andrews ( By 10 )
    Selborne ( By 20 )

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  11. I think the only ones I can say should win with ease is Selborne and Nico Malan(they have a good outfit this year.)

    The rest is anybody’s game.

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  12. @beet: Not sure how the rules apply for high tackles this year at schoolboy level, thought it would be the same as Super Rugby but after Saturdays games not sure if this has filtered down to the schoolboy refs. In the Under16 game two Kingswood boys took the Muir wing out in the air he landed on he’s head and was carried off could be out for a few weeks the ref only gave a penalty after some heavy words from the sideline no cards nothing in Super Rugby this would have been a red card with at least 4 weeks ban. What made it worse was the KW Headmaster saying this is only schoolboy rugby. This carried on the whole game with KW tackling above the shoulder on at least 5 occasions. :oops:

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  13. Yip, and I will be twittering updated scores during the day. @rainier_vermaak

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  14. @Queenian: Of interest looking at at QC news letter of Feb 1982 they proudly state that QC reached 403 boarders the first time above 400 which had made QC the first school in SA to reach more than 400 boarders. Also they stated that enrolment for the year was 691 boys which was 661 normal stream learners and 30 Accrued learners ( Which was known as special class in those day.)

    Not sure how many boys are at QC now but the last I heard was 573 so about a 120 less. But I think the big difference from then till now was there were 400 boarders. Same year rugby teams that took the long trip to Bloem was 15 open teams 6 Under15 and 6 Under14 teams.

    How times have changed.

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  15. @Playa: Yip we were proud keepers of at least 300 JHb kids with problems program. The saying used to go in JHB if your kid was to much to handle at home send him to QC or Dale.

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  16. @Playa: I mean they were all such up standing fellows, maybe before your time but I think it was 1977 when a boy pulled a knife on a Selborne fellow after the 10 team game in EL. I am sure there were no dirty tatics by the Babona for a few years after that.

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  17. @Queenian: Hahahahaha! We still had those Joburg boys in the 90s. I reckon Boys’ Town in Joburg dedicated a whole room full of QC and Dale brochures.

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  18. @Playa: Yes – I was one of those Jobrg okes – I only got 1 ride to QTN – folks dropped me off with a quick hug – with “Cheers Goodbye” – shew – I was overwhelmed – our first sports day – was athletics – and then I knew the QTN had the kush over us okes from Joburg. Let’s say my first rugby game – which was trials – before that I had seen my dad overzealous boss support the bulls in JHB……I had kicked a rugby ball once!! Long story short – the coach who was like the 17th team koek span – coach asked me what position I wanted to play – having no clue and being on the small side – lock seemed reasonable…..after the first scrum I was spinning – I asked the coach if I could – if I could play another position…..This time I recall my dad’s friends talking about how Naas Botha – in Johannesburg, he never tackled – nor was he ever tacked and he is protected……hmmmm sounded like right position for me! So fy half for next 3 years – 14e, 15e …and so on – plus the koekspan. I never missed a practice – ever – played sport for the love…I enjoyed the sports allot – Have to end off Dale and QC – was almost interchangeable – if you misbehaved here – next – catch to train to King, and we would regularly see guys come from Dale – due to a judgement error lol

    @ Playa – I sent your check – to the QC old boys – as I secretly know that you always wish you could have been a queenian…..

    @ Queenian – Shot!

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  19. @Rainier: you just given me heartburn,bliksem :mrgreen: :mrgreen: would be nice to remind you how kak that ref was that day.LOL beer would be on me boet,see at the field :wink:

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  20. @Queenian: Muir were in the game for 25-30 minutes but looked totally unfit to be honest and were well routed by Kingswood, the Kingswood defence pushed them into many errors. That big centre who made SA Schools last year was a big let down for Muir.

    How are Muir gonna handle Grey College in 2 weeks time at Union High?

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  21. @QC86: Do you know that it was Fats’s boy who died in that light airplane crash in Midrand a few weeks ago?

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  22. Any brave upset predictions for Saturday?

    To me it looks like Framesby vs Queen’s might be the pick of the matches.

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  23. My prediction for weekend:
    Muir
    Nico Malan
    Dale
    Framesby
    Kingswood
    StAndrews
    Selborn

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  24. @Playa…yeh i’ll also go with that one. If Marlow can get good tempo up they could run hard at the Grey boys!

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  25. @kcman: Yip agree Muir were to put it lightly quite crap. Must say KW had there marking down to a T and Muir had no answer to that. Hopefully with Fullback/8th Man and Lock back for this week they can do a bit better against Cambridge.

    And against Grey Bloem well that is going to be a fun all I can say just hope Muir get some courage from somewhere to at least be competitive for 10 min :mrgreen: What will make matter

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  26. @kcman: Sorry what will make matters worse is Prop/Centre/Fullback and flank will be overseas for that game so eeish “ek sien kak hier” :lol:

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  27. @beet: Framesby are going to be a big hurdle for QC to overcome. This age group of boys at Framesby have really being good so a really tough tight game coming up.

    And people must not under estimate Marlow, young team but really good and they will go down fighting.

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  28. @Skopgraaf243: Dale vs Brandwag will be really tight got know idea what to expect from Dale besides that we know Griffy will come up with something.

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  29. How is the weather looking like in the City of Saints? There a couple of showers here in East London. Driving down to Grahamstown tomorrow morning. Leaving EL at 6 am. Too many stop and go’s on the N2. Keen for tomorrow. I always see QC 86 at these rugby events but bloody hell he intimidates me. I see his son made the Selborne first team. Congratulations to him. His got silky hands and vision for a front row player :mrgreen:

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  30. @CHS08: Yip will be there by 08:00 as well to watch the Muir vs Cambridge game. My son and co Under16 play Cambridge at 11:15

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  31. @CHS08: thanks for the kind words,ja will be there,can’t wait,very excited about this season.Mark really enjoying the new coaching staff that are helping Kevin Taylor,they have added massive amounts of enthusiasm and technical knowledge which we have been lacking in the past.Boys were abit rusty on the weekend,should be alot better tomorrow.

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  32. @QC86: Yeah I watched the first half of last weekend’s Selborne game along with same for 2 others. I’m not sure what the weather was like but the Border big 3 all looked like they had plenty of room for improvement.

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  33. @QC86: Taylor the dinosaur still around flip must be the longest running coach at schoolboy level.

    Don’t think Graeme will be to much to handle some of there under16 stars from last year are sitting at Grey.

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  34. @beet: Agree what I have seen on the big 3 border schools is a lot of mistakes and not to much of a game plan. Selborne did look the better.

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  35. @QC86: Is Mark playing hooker as well.

    Those Number 8 jeans got some how mixed up an produced hookers. Now that sounds bad. :lol:

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  36. @Queenian: QC problem is going to be there game plan the biggest issue I have seen with QC the last four or so years is what game plan they pick for different teams. Never make sense, for example I have watched them play Dale 3 times in the last 3 years and like clock work they decide then to play an expansive game against a team they should not be doing this and lost all 3 games which they should have won.

    And not to be the master of doom they will do it on Saturday again, and that all goes back to the coaches.

    Now Selborne seem to have had a similar problem but what I hear from you folks this year they seem to be less one dimensional. And that is coming from some fresh blood in the coaching department.

    QC have become predictable I would say gone are the days like when I played against QC you never new what they would do besides tackle the shit out of you and were always extremely fit.

    Only predictable thing was when I was playing was people like you were going for a smoke at half time. :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

    Hopefully QC prove me wrong this year, I was at Framesby last week and they really look good.

    As for Dale I think they hanging on by a thread and that is Griffy if he decides to go I think Dale will be in for a torrid time.

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  37. @rugbyfan: Yip you might be right about QC so lets hope this year there is a change.

    You wrong about one thing we did a lot more than have a smoke at half time we were sharping our razor blades. :lol: :twisted:

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  38. @Queenian: And not to start a fire in a tea cup the latest in the scinner department is that “Griffy” the great has been approached to go to one of Cape Schools next year. And the money would be double what he gets from the Tick Birds.

    So watch this space.

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  39. @Queenian: I have no idea what the Summerstrand lot have in store. All i know is the last couple of years they seem to be on an upward curve. However, being their first game on sat i can’t see them going the full match at a high tempo.

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  40. @Wyvern: Ye agree with a friend of mine has a kid there and he says that last year rugby coaching started the first day of the new year but this year it only started 2 weeks ago seems to be a bit of turmoil with the Headmaster leaving.

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  41. @Wyvern: Another question when I was at Kingswood this last Saturday was wondering when did City Lords field come about I remember playing at Kingswood in the late 70’s and do not remember it being there then.

    Always have liked the setup there at Kingswood compact historical grounds and everything always pristine.

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  42. @Queenian: you would have loved KW,they go to school on Saturdays :roll: ,told my kids that,wish you could have seen the look on their faces

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  43. @Queenian: KCman can confirm the year this was done, but City Lords used to be a municipal ground until KC bought it in the late 80’s. Before then, the main rugby (and cricket) field was Gane Field. In 2007 City Lords was “rearranged” to accommodate the astro turf (much to the dismay of the die hard KC rugby lovers), but for the good of the sports campus i guess.

    The KC campus has now become quite limited with space, so any further expansions or additions is going to come at quite a price :cry:

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  44. @rugbyfan: wow :evil: Playa – will be able to catch up if true.I have to say he is one of the more steady figures / consistent coaches he has my respect.

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  45. Do you gents have any idea how the teams will line up tomorrow and will the matches be streamed live? I was quite impressed with the streaming footage from the Border Schools Day and the rugby was much better than what I saw in Durban when I watched Hilton/DHS and the other schools at King’s Park.

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  46. @rugbyfan: 8-O 8-O 8-O I hope that’s just a vicious rumour!!! Someone needs call a friend to remind him how much he hated Cape Town when he did a year’s stint coaching at Hamilton’s in 2013. This can’t be happening. Please tell me you said that just to grab my attention :cry: :cry: :cry:

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  47. @Outside Looking in: agreed was very impressed – which company does it? / How does it work…and yes seen no teams as yet….I also if someone has time would be good to see stats – Height Weight Etc.

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  48. @Outside Looking in: the conditions were not great for DHS vs Hilton but I would stick my neck out and say that both those teams would have come away with wins at Border Rugby Day – bearing in mind that the Border schools were perhaps a week or so behind KZN in regular season readiness.

    I must say that I didn’t expect much from Stirling and they provided quite a surprise package performance.

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  49. @Hustle: I think the streaming is a great idea. Who ever would have thought we could have watched Border Rugby Day live or even go to the youtube channel right now and see for oneself what happened. I mean you know longer have to trust the opinion of a blogger who was a spectator. You can go see for yourself how the likes of Dale, Queen’s, Selborne, Hudson and Stirling played that day.

    The important thing is for people to support the streaming companies by watching the content in order to make it a winner-winner chicken dinner. Right now they are providing a free service which comes with a cash outflow. Their goal is to be able to record it as an investment rather than an expense. That can only be achieved with growth in popularity of the product.

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  50. @beet @beet: For me it was first game in years – was first after years – but also able to see some Joburg schools. I was impressed with overall quality. As technology gets better costs go down – Viewership goes up. I really hope old boys around the world share – and even better is the fact that schools can learn about each other which raises the standards………I was basing everything on what Playa told me – I can now clearly say he undersold everything lol. Keep working the costs down. Would be good for schools to public ally share the sights / through newsletters / emails / :-P

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  51. @Hustle: Yeah the Western Cape schools which are arguably in the toughest of all the SBR arenas to compete in, have supported and benefitted from live broadcasts. It goes hand in hand with the professional coaching like approach these schools take towards rugby. This definition includes those schools have full time teachers as coaches. I think most EC schools and Noordvaal co-eds are also 100% behind the idea. Then in a few other regions with the same pro like setups there seems to be a reluctance to get on board. I think there is a strong argument about where to draw the line in terms of keeping kids grounded etc and there is also perhaps a hint of insecurity amongst others that their game plans etc will become public knowledge and this will somehow lead to their demise. Anyway it’s going to be an interesting process. I read last year that the NZ SBR championships is practically a fully broadcast compo now with a few of the same concerns being expressed by some headmasters.

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  52. @Hustle: Had my coffee. Woke up my son. Ready to go to Grahamstown. Long day of rugby. Selborne only playing after 4 today.

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  53. @Rainier: Al was ek nie op GCB op skool nie, kan ons enige tyd n “koffie” op hulle drink. Ek was op Gill College, Someset Oos op skool en my kinders op Selborne College. Ek, QC86 en n paar ander SC ouers sal op ons gewone plek by Greame wees. Sien jy het n Jeffreys trui. My vrou kom van daai geweste en ouers woon nog daar. Sy was op Nico Malan op skool.

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  54. @GCollege86: Skies, ek gaan gou vir Carl teen die oor klap en sal dan daai “koffie” kom geniet.

    Sê maar net waar julle is.

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  55. Cambridge 23 Muir 15. Full time. Muir blew a 12-0 lead. Well done to both teams.

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  56. @Rainier: He’s a good player, and has heart. I must say it was a great team effort from Cambridge. So proud of the boys. Disappointing loss for Union…it looks it’s going to be a long year for them.

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  57. Brandwag 10-0 Dale ht. Dale being dominated up front, one try conceded from a very poor kick chase and another to very good skills from Brandwag centre.

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  58. BW 21-21 Dale Dale scores after hooter to save blushes against impressive Brandwag.

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  59. Marlow 11-11 Grey ft. Fair result. Grey 8 and 15 and Marlow 8 and 13 great on the day.

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  60. A Playa – well done. Well done to winning teams.

    Again I could not seem game. I really don’t care how big the forwards are at Queens, or how many times they dropped the ball. Last year they had lots of close shaves. There is no book to measure close shaves, or injuries. I always support my team – but cannot look at scores that are marginal year in and out, with same stories of close – Boys win a few games, remind yourself you are out to win….need to have that mindset – close means you are comparative. Need to be glorious. Ending up as bridesmaid, is not it. Doing big things is hard – its a choice

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  61. @Hustle: Geez, that was a frustrating match too watch. You can see both teams are coached to execute a certain game plan/pattern, and both teams had sound defensive structures, but the basic skills to add flourish to approaches seemed lacking. Maybe early season jitters, can see a team like Marlow more secure in execution with some games under the belt.

    The first time the ball reached a Queens wing from a line movement was in the 54th minute.

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  62. @Rainier: Yes its been frustrating to listen / watch from sidelines – for a few years….seem to have it but cant execute. :(

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  63. No easy games in the EC.Highly impressed by what I’ve heard of Graeme’s fight against Selborne.Disappointed for Queens…and to be honest I didn’t expect Dale to get one over Brandwag.So I’ll take that draw.Having read reports on Cambridge,College,Kingswood,Marlow and Greame….this may well be the most contentious season in a long while.May rugby be the winner.

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  64. @Playa: Yip going to be plenty close games this season going to be hard to find a clear leader in the Eastern Cape this season that’s for sure.

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  65. 1st Team Cambridge 23 Muir 15
    16A Team Cambridge 0 Muir 20
    14A Team Cambridge 22 Muir 12

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  66. Marlow No 13 was the player of the day for me. And the Marlow heart and guts were the next best.

    Maybe QC could take a leaf out of there play they sure have the players but something is a miss there and after chatting to various people on Saturday I now know what that is but as a Old Queenian you cannot discuss that on a open forum like this.

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  67. @Beet: Cambridge number 7, SAC number 13, Grey NO 2, 8 and 15. But if I had to choose 1 the St Andrews 13 was outstanding! I loved the way Marlow and Graeme played. Lovely day of rugby. A well organised event! Beautiful facilities. The only bad thing about Saturday was the catering. That burger tasted awful for a R35 burger!

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  68. @CHS08: Agree with you there only watched the 1st half of the St And vs Hudson game and the N0 13 was very good.

    The Grey boy s No 2/8/15 were also good plus Marlow 8/13 not sure were the Grey No 8/15 are from don’t remember seen them at Grey last year the No2 Jonker was at Muir and went to Grey a few years ago.

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  69. A lot of folks here in Uitenhage still very upset about the score board issue which they believe led to them drawing and not winning. What ever the issue there was as they let Dale back into the game and were running out of steam anyway. Brandwag No 4 who is playing he,s 3rd year for Brandwag now has a boep which does not bode well for them as a team as he just walks around and tries he’s best to hurt people really not good.

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  70. @QC86: See what you mean about QC really difficult to be excited about them when they play like that. Poor backline players must wonder if they were there for show.

    At that rate I don’t see them beating any decent team. Long season of disappointment after disappointment ahead for them I see.

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  71. @Queenian: Any idea why Keith Kroutz was excluded from the QC line up? I had a bad feeling when I noticed that his name was missing from the team sheet

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  72. Oops. His name was there I just checked, but he didn’t play. I wonder why :-|

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  73. @Playa: I see you obviously got you Dale brochure – mailed to you….Yes my dad gave me a choice of Dale or Queens…I think the pool looked better in my brochure…

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  74. A Brandwag supporter got in touch with me. He said he wished Brandwag’s result against Dale could have come across in a more positive light on the blog.

    He basically said that it’s quite interesting how people’s perspectives change. When Dale wins it was expected because Dale is a good rugby school. If Brandwag wins or they draw people toy with the idea that Dale is PERHAPS not as good this year. Yet as far back as he can remember Brandwag are always competitive and so feels that there should be more given credit given to Brandwag for a good result against a decent Dale team.

    Brandwag lead 10-0 at halftime and by 21-14 with less than a minute to play and should have closed out to win the game. Dale scored at the death.

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  75. @CHS08: No worries, i saw on rugby365 and i think it’s Matt More. I’m surprised because i thought he was in matric last year already!

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  76. @beet: Dale were a lot better on the weekend,showed more improvement than QC and Selborne put together from Border schools day.

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  77. I don’t buy into that Brandwag argument.They so erratic year in and year out,Dale were lucky to draw on Saturday,but that does not put Brandwag on the rugby map.

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  78. @QC86: @beet: According to rugby365 both Matt More and an Anthony More played on Saturday, Anthony making his debut. That’s why i was surprised when Matt More was mentioned because i had thought he finished last year…

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  79. @Wyvern: correct,sorry.Had Sean whattsapp me and clear it up,Saturdays programme did not reflect the St Andrews team correctly,and yes Matt is 19 and Ant younger boet,played together on Saturday,Matt was 12 and Ant 13 ,thanks Sean

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  80. @QC86: Thanks for the clarity. It must be quite an experience to play alongside your brother in a 1st XV!!!!

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  81. Great day of rugby all round luckily for us the weather behaved, Graeme and Marlow my teams of the day.

    On the Dale-Brandwag matter, to me it was a game of 2 halves Brandwag far superior in the First Half, Dale better in the 2nd. If it was not for the poor attacking option or decision making by the Dale left wing, could have been a win for Dale.

    2 occasions that kid got the ball on the run in the Brandwag 22m, overlap and space in front of him with support on the outside, all he had to do was to draw the last man and offload, but on both times decided to cut inside and crash it up. Did not even attempt to go on the outside like a winger should do.

    The only thing Brandwag can complain about and was a lucky break for Dale, is it seemed for the first try, the touch judges did raise their flags for the conversion, maybe they were over ruled by the ref, or they changed their minds.

    QC and Framesby game, disappointing to watch and i agree on the Cambridge num 7, his highlight reel hand off at Border schools literary brought the entire field to its feet.

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