Wildeklawer 2014

Wildeklawer 2014 fixtures (8 of the Monday games will be broadcast by SuperSport)

ON TV TIME DAY DATE SCHOOL SCHOOL
Recorded 07h30 Mon 28/04/2014 Monument 15 0 Boland Landbou
Live 08h40 Mon 28/04/2014 EG Jansen 25 21 Grey HS
Live 09h50 Mon 28/04/2014 Selborne 19 10 Drostdy
Recorded 11h00 Mon 28/04/2014 Waterkloof 39 27 Glenwood
Live 11h00 Mon 28/04/2014 Oakdale 39 30 Noord-Kaap
Live 12h10 Mon 28/04/2014 Paul Roos 67 0 KES
Live 13h20 Mon 28/04/2014 Paarl Gim 40 7 Affies
Live 14h30 Mon 28/04/2014 Maritzburg College 56 15 Wildeklawer SARU
Live 15h40 Mon 28/04/2014 Grey College 25 7 Outeniqua
Live 16h50 Mon 28/04/2014 HTS Middelburg 25 0 Diamantveld
NO TV
07h30 Wed 30/04/2014 Boland Landbou 11 12 HTS Middelburg
08h40 Wed 30/04/2014 Outeniqua 20 15 Glenwood
09h50 Wed 30/04/2014 Paul Roos 30 10 EG Jansen
11h00 Wed 30/04/2014 Drostdy 29 35 Wildeklawer SARU
11h00 Wed 30/04/2014 Maritzburg College 21 9 Diamantveld
12h10 Wed 30/04/2014 Affies 21 10 Oakdale
13h20 Wed 30/04/2014 Waterkloof 39 24 Grey HS
14h30 Wed 30/04/2014 KES 13 12 Noord-Kaap
15h40 Wed 30/04/2014 Monument 23 23 Selborne
16h50 Wed 30/04/2014 Grey College 15 14 Paarl Gim

Wildeklawer Superskole, the premier school rugby festival in South Africa takes place at Diamantveld High School in Kimberley on Monday 28 April and Wednesday 30 April 2014. Once again amongst the best rugby high schools in the land have accepted invitations to attend with just about every region now being represented.

The noticeable omission from the list of 20 is that of rugby powerhouse Paarl Boys High School who have opted to withdraw from Wildeklawer because of their planned overseas tour to Japan, where they will represent South Africa in the SANIX 2014 international school rugby competition. Regular attenders Framesby of Port Elizabeth is also off the WK list and so is the once off Sharks Invitation XV that did duty at the 2013 event.

This frees up three places, the first of which is claimed by HTS Middelburg. This Pumas region powerhouse had a great 2013 season and has made an equally good start to 2014. HTS makes a welcomed return after missing the 2013 tournament.

The two debutant schools will be King Edward the VII School (KES) from Johannesburg and Selborne from East London. Both schools have averaged Top 20 national positions ever since Wildeklawer first began in 2009 and thoroughly deserve a chance to compete at the tournament specifically introduced with a mission to pit strength versus strength. Selborne will also become the first Border region school to attend.

2013 BHP Rankings

# SCHOOL BHP Rank 2013
1 Affies 2
2 Boland Landbou 44
3 Diamantveld 50
4 EG Jansen 5
5 Glenwood 20
6 Grey College 3
7 Grey HS 13
8 Drostdy
9 HTS Middelburg 18
10 KES
11 Maritzburg College 34
12 Monument 11
13 Noord-Kaap 14
14 Oakdale 10
15 Outeniqua 4
16 Paarl Gim 1
17 Paul Roos 23
18 Selborne 22
19 Waterkloof 16
20 SARU Invitation XV

307 Comments

  1. Great stuff, another opportunity for the ultimate Grogper Cup game! Fingers crossed and it will be televised, I hope…

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  2. @Grasshopper: interesting – I know KES have been invited before and declined so wonder what changed their mind? Between Wildeklawer and Grey festivals the match should happen – but we would prefer to play your U18 side :mrgreen:

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  3. @Roger: Please be more specific. If you insist on the u/18 side no boys from the E/C will be included. Home grown u/18s then you can send your u/16 f side. So please be specific.

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  4. @Roger: we will have one Under19 player, Vidima at lock or 8th man. He is a legit under19 who has been at the school 2 years. Remember in KZN at least we do age checking, unlike any other province ;-). How old is Scarra now, 32?

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  5. @Roger: your new head decided you needed to start playing proper opposition hence Monnas and Affies being reinstated and the Wilderklawer invite accepted. Your 100% win ratio will be harder to keep now…makes a 70% win rate actually worth something…

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  6. @Tjoppa: we will have the scrutinize that Headmasters agreement, insist on valid birth certificates and ensure at least 10 of the 15 players arrived before Grade 11 :lol:

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  7. Accommodation will be provided for immediate family (of the players), ie wives and children. This perhaps has persuaded some teams to participate

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  8. Glad the Noord Vaal “platteland” has got a representative at this wonderful tournament. Don’t expect expansive rugby from the “rooibulle”. Hard fisical forward based rugby. Always was, always will be. No surprise they produced great players like Jan Lock and Bakkies Botha. Will be interesting to see how KES go against these top schools. No place to hide Roger :wink:

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  9. @Woltrui: Maybe a re-match against Boland after the very pleasant outing in 2012? If we go according to BHP’s biblical ranking, Boland will be a “soft” game, so perfect opportunity to set the record straight and for all the powerhouses to pick up some easy rankings points. Then again, maybe not :wink:

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  10. @Woltrui: @Ploegskaar: The Affies team will be one watched with interest next season. I think many teams will see this as a chance to get one back against the Pretoria Witbulle.

    Ploegie any idea what BL will be like in relation to this year’s outfit?

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  11. @Roger: @Grasshopper: In KZN we are expecting Glenwood to be strong in 2014 but have no idea what KES will be like. The only opinion I had is not as strong as 2009 or 2011.

    Hopefully they are more consistent than this year’s team who seemed to go off the boil at times.

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  12. The safe bet is to assume Grey Bloem will be the team to beat in 2014. I wonder who the other main contenders will be. Grey PE perhaps. Klofies? Paul Roos are hoping for a bright year. I guess one can never right off any of the powerhouses incl Affies 2014 for that matter. It will be interesting to see which underdog is able to mix it up with the big guns.

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  13. @beet: I don’t want to speculate about BL, but the question for me remains: Can they be any worse than this year? 2013 is really one to forget! :cry:

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  14. @Ploegskaar: Mr Ploeg. One thing I have learned the past 2 years following your blogs is not to underestimate the streeptruitjie schools. Would be absolutely magic to watch Boland Landbou against a Noord vaal school. Would be an interesting match-up. Be it Affies, Kloof or HTS Middelburg. Would be a privilege to play you boitjies and I won’t be surprises if the wine farmers pull of a win.
    @beet: I think all the Affies supporters is looking forward to see how the first team will look next year. Because the 2014 matric group was not very strong during their age group years there could be a lot of surprises. One player I’ve watched during the years is Salmon Van Huysteen, the Affies no 8 of 2013 . He was captain of the 2014 matric group during their age group years and always led the team with a lot of bravery during difficult circumstances. I’ve got a lot of respect for this laaitie and hope he has a big year in 2014. I think Affies will have a lot of depth at no 10 with 3 or 4 quality players that can fill the berth. If we can pick a strong front row I think the “Kaap is Hollands” for Affies and we will be competitive. I see Affies has cut out a couple of their “long away trips” and is playing a lot of local Pretoria teams next year. Personally I think it is a better option so far as safety (long bus trips) and the current economical climate is concerned. At least we are still playing our traditional rivals from the last outpost, not withstanding the fact that the green machine softies cried foul :wink:

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  15. @BuiteBreek: On the bright side, so was 2011 (which was in fact worse) and they followed that up with 2012, one of the better sides that could easily have ended the season with a 90% win ratio.

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  16. After a bleak year by their standards it sounds like Selborne are also looking forward to an improved year with 2015 maybe being up there with their 2011 season.

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  17. Maritzburg College are also looking forward to their best season in a long while. The KZN teams just need some high in the second row. Even still I think we are going to scare a few big teams from other regions.

    Hopefully we can conquer Noord-vaal in it’s entirety in 2014 :-D

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  18. Monnas have also sent a bit of time away from the top. I know that big forceful lock of their’s Herbst will be back. They usually always have big players in the engine room and determined loosies. It may be a case of what the backline can deliver.

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  19. Glenwood are playing Grey Bloem. I might be vindicated for something I’d said which seemed out of place a few months back about this interschools fixture. But I’m hoping I’m wrong. I really loved that fixture at Dixons. Full house every time and super vibe. :( I’ll miss it

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  20. @beet: it is so difficult to predict how a side might turn out. WRT to KES next year, I believe they have 5-7 players back, had a pretty good U16 bunch this year as well as a handy 2nd and 3rd team. Just as an example – this years 1st side were supposed to be pretty good, they were unbeaten at U14 level and U15 level and had a few players who had been in the 1st XV squad for two years. They never hit the heights expected of them and suffered badly with injuries (especially flyhalf). By contrast – the 2011 team were never expected to be that good and they lost only 1 – go figure!

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  21. @Woltrui:
    Hi, is Keyter in grade 12 next year?…..a few Bulls supporters were surprised his name wasn’t on the Bulls 2014 Under 19 group.

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  22. @beet: Are you absolutely sure about the second fixture? Or is the match not on April 1st ? Otherwise, you got this from Saru, right?

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  23. @BOG: :mrgreen: I’m doing my best to get the answer.

    However months ago I was told the fixture was off only to have a someone from each school tell me I was misinformed based on evidence they had.

    In the past the WK organisers have caused fixture clashes with KERF another festival but never have they overlooked an interschools game by mistake. Add to this that Glenwood and GCB have been part of the WK for years now, meaning the organisers know very well about their annual August game. But who knows. Maybe a mistake.

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  24. @beet: sadly Selborne’s team as always will have a lot of talent but same old coach from 19 voetsek,with no clue of what is needed too compete with the best. 8-O so Beet no chance of 2011 repeat.WTF :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

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  25. @beet: You’s charkies can’t conquer the local shoprite in its entirety. 8)
    @Muzi: Yes Muzi, Keyter, Salmon Van Huysteen and Schmullian (the big no 14) is back.

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  26. King Edward are very excited at the prospect of playing at Wildeklawer. It will be a fantastic opportunity for the boys to measure their skills and development against some of the best. In addition a wonderful opportunity to watch some great rugby. No other ulterior motives in attending. King Edward will arrive with boys who have been developed through their own system. Spilhaus,as always will put out a team that is well prepared and geared towards attractive rugby using the resources he has available. Life has shown that you should never under estimate the under dog. Time will tell though

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  27. @beet: Your underdog may well be Oakdale. I predict they will win both their games at WK and be top dog in the S/Cape next year.

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  28. Two really good fixtures for Grey PE. Would have liked us to play Paarl Gim, but looking forward to seeing how the boys do against Waterkloof. Anyone know how they are looking for 2014 ?

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  29. Affies vs Paarl Gim looks to me to be the big one! Paul Roos is expecting a good side so will be interesting to see how KES do against them. Grey PE and Maritzburg College should have good sides too. Waterkloof not sure what to expect, but never weak. It’s going to be an exciting few days, wish it was in KZN again though…

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  30. Monnas vs EG Jansen. Both these teams play in the Nu-power and Beeld Trofee. Pity they couldn’t be matched up against other schools. I think Monnas will have a srong team in 2014. They will have a VERY good no 10 in Van der Walt(this years no 12). Their U/16 side won both the Nu-Power and Beeld trofee this year if I am not wrong. The Monnas vs Kwaggas game should be a thriller.
    Affies: Two very hard games.
    Grey Bloem and Paarl Gim should be favourites to win both their matches.
    KES: Hope KES got the talent to do the Noord-vaal proud. IMHO a very good coach. KES first fase play always tops. I don’t think they’ve got the class to upset Paul Roos though.
    HTS Middelburg. Don’t think there is a school with a tougher programme than HTS this year. Not even Glenwood. Nu-power tournament, KERF, Wildeklawer and then the Beeld trofee. All elite tournaments with lot of prestige. The kids are going to be phisical and mentaly tested. Hope they got the depth to see them through the year. Very interesting matchup against the Winefarmers.
    Kloof with, IMHO the best 10 in Pretoria in 2013, back in 2014, would be competative. Pity they got raided af a couple of good players by Glenwood (Tredoux and Coetzee). Will have a good backline with most of the players allready having experience of first team rugby. With Kloofs coach you can also be assured of a strong well drilled pack. The game against their old schoolmates in Glenwood should be interesting.

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  31. Lovely to see the Baboona representing the Border region there. Hopefully the ‘Blou’ scouts will keep their hands to themselves :mrgreen:

    @QC86: So you guys still haven’t found a solution to Taylor?Keith Andrews reckons he’ll remain honourary coach even from his grave :lol:

    Would have liked to see Selborne against Affies. They have proved to be Affies’ achilles tendon in the past.
    Great line up though, I hope the bulk of these games will be shown on tv.

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  32. @Playa: Scarra went to KES in Grade 10 did he not? He was part and parcel of the 5-7 Dale boys who followed Carl Spilhaus in 2007/8? Esterhuizen, Ruiters, MJekevu, Ntubeni, Ntleki, Ayr………….

    @deecee: yuo sound quite close to the school – can you say why KES have declined in the past and what the team will be like in 2014?

    @Woltrui: at the very least it will be a close fought and entertaining encounter!

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  33. @Playa: Their bloggers always have a go at Glenwood, a little bit of their own medicine or reality check never does any harm. Glenwood have been developing their own players for ages. in 2014 I think 18 of the 22 were at Glenwood from grade 8.

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  34. @Woltrui: Latest development is that Monnas and EG Jansen have been split up for the very reason of the NV cup compos

    So now Monnas will play Maritzburg College and EG Jansen will play Grey PE

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  35. @Woltrui: I think EG Jansen might have a slightly tougher program than HTS Middelburg next year.
    Nu Power ; KERF ; Wildeklawer ; Beeld, but looking at the teams EG will face, they might have the more demanding fixtures of the two.

    Beet, any idea when the KERF fixtures will be available ?

    Does anyone know why Kempton Park are never at these festivals ?

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  36. @Playa: Hey Selborne lambs too the slaughter and now you want us to play Affies as well,have some mercy boet.Team will be very young,at least 4 u16’s in the forwards and 3 or 4 in the backs 8-O going to be a long season.First Grey festival then Kerf and then wildeklawer

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  37. @ Beet- it is a good thing that Monnas vs EG Jansen has been changed. Seeing that they both play Beeld and Nu power, it could happen that they play each other a few times in one season. Look what happened between EG Jansen and Kempton park this year. They ended up playing each other 3 times.. Also EG Jansen playing Paarl gym on day 2 will be a huge assignment..@ Valke, yes when are these organizers going to take Kempton park serious??They deserve a spot in these tournaments..

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  38. @jakes: i don’t know much about Kempton parks open sides,but i see their u14 and u15 sides at the Kwagga festival every year and they are always pretty good,Selborne u14’s only just beat them.I chatted to their coach next too the field and he seemed very keen,i just hope it is the same school you talking about,if so it is just a matter of time that they break into the festivals.

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  39. @QC86: In 2012 Kempton park won the Beeld trophy, beating both Waterkloof and Monument along the way. Final was at Monnas.
    In 2013 they reached the final again, again beating Waterkloof, only to loose against a very good EG Jansen side in the final. Final was played at EG Jansen.
    They will have a very good side again in 2014.

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  40. @Woltrui: With regards to the Klofies “raid” it depends which Coetzee you are referring to.

    Yes Marne did leave in Gr.11 but he can’t be counted for 2014 (even tho we have had some older players play SBR here :mrgreen: )

    However brilliant no.8 Jaco has spent more of his school life in KZN than Pretoria. He left Garsies junior school in Gr.3 and has been at Gelofte Primary then Glenwood High ever since.

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  41. @jakes: Hi Jakes,
    the KERF fixtures have not been finalised yet.

    The only ones I know that are close to completion are St Johns who sent out a prelim list yesterday for feedback to avoid clashes.

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  42. @Mike: Waterkloof will be almost the same boys from their all conquering u/16s two years ago. Only Koos the prop that left for Glenwood. Their u/16’s from last year not that impressive at all. But should be a cracker of a team.

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  43. @PaarlBok: Die Tannie wat die oumensies se pille saans uitdeel se dogter reken volgende jaar is dit Boishaai se groot jaar. Haar seun woon daar in die Paarl. Die jaar daarna is dit Paul Roos, so hoe lyk julle groepie na die massiewe jaar 2013.

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  44. @Tjoppa: Ag nee man Tjoppa. I am rally trying my best in the language of the Anti-Christ Tjoppa :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    What the fnunk is the differance between Phisical and fisical. And I blame it on Beet’ spelchecker :twisted: 8-O 8) :wink:

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  45. @Tjoppa: Not necessarily. Just going by this Affies Class of 2014’s results since u14, traditional annual opponents that are more often than not on the losing side vs Affies, will see this coming 2014 as a big chance to claw one back in the head to head. So “bad” would be relative to other Affies teams form wise. Altho many do not look at rankings lets face it for a normal school an 11th place finish in SA if it had to happen would represent a very good season with a good record. For Affies, a powerhouse of SA rugby if they ever finish 11th it = ???

    I’m not an Affies insider so I can only comment from my perspective, which is 2014 is the season teams have to target to get a win against Affies. A chance like this might not come around for another decade. I do however know a very very good statistician who could say just how good or “bad” Affies 2014 season will be relative to all the years that came before. On paper that is. It won’t take into account the huge improvements the team has made since u14 tho, which could actually make them the most success ever Affies team relative to u14 results. We shall see :)

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  46. @PaarlBok: :mrgreen: I knew that comment was in the pipeline just waiting for an opportunity to burst onto the scene.

    The 2012 game was such a great one as well. I can’t understand why there can’t be a Grey Bloem vs Gimmies game every year. I bet every player on both teams wants one.

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  47. @beet: To be honest, I think Paarl Gym will do well just to get past Oakdale on the 12th of April in Riversdale. As I stated in a earlier post, I tip Oakdale to be the surprise package next year (maybe why Boishaai opted out of their original fixture scheduled for the 7th of June?) and I for one reckon they have a good chance to knock Affies over. Gym will have a very competitive team as always next year, no doubt, but I think deep down Oom PB is quite relieved they are not facing GCB next year. While I am making wild predictions, I may as well add that I think GCB will end the season at the top and the Paarl will be blue (for the first time in many many many many years) on the evening of the 2nd of August.

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  48. @valke: Really looking forward to seeing Kempton Park play at the Oakdale Festival next year. The field is quite a mixed bag, but does offer some potentially competitive match-ups against hosts Oakdale, Diamandveld, Voortrekker Bethlehem and Brandwag (EP). Great venue as well, so the players and traveling supporters will have a good time.

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  49. @Ploegskaar: There are 2 predictions for Paarlbok to take in. As much as he enjoys pregame underdog status, I somehow don’t think he likes seeing that condition playing out on the field or the scoreboard :-D

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  50. @PaarlBok: Ou Paarldosie, ek weet die tou is lank van skole wat hulle krag wil meet teen die beste, maar julle moet maar julle beurt afwag. Met volgehoue prestasie, sal julle beurt seker kom.Intussen, het Julle darem netbal om op terug te val.

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  51. @QC86: Hahahaha!You really have little faith in Selborne hey.You just never know, just believe :mrgreen:

    P.S. I’ll be in King from 13 to 17 December. I will need to pop in for some biltong and chops.

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  52. @Ploegskaar: Ploeg, I read through all the comments now and I know it will be difficult to do any prediction before the season even started, but I’m backing my team to have a good year in 2014 and maybe we can create a few upsets.

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  53. @Playa: lots of faith in the boys,in the coach zero and you know at this age group how important the technical aspects of the game are. 8-O 8-O better bring a fat cape town wallet with you this year,meat has gone thro the roof,but it will still be R20 a KG cheaper than the Spar and Pick & Pay :wink:

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  54. @Ploegskaar: I think it would rather be a surprise if Affies can pull of a win against Oakdale or Perel Gim at the wildeklawer. One thing is for sure, the Affies community would be united behind our 2014 team like never before. This is a group that went through a lot as team (example the death of a team mate at U/16 level after a rugby tour to the Western Cape. They also had to endure the fact that through the years some supporters looked down at them because they weren’t that successful on the field. They are in my opinion a special group and I wish them all the success for 2014. They will be champions, win or loose, at the wildeklawer.

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  55. @QC86: I read that rugby is in a state of collapse on the Border. Flanagan, the coach, has left because he was not paid for 3 months, and so too, the players. Surely, this will impact on ALL rugby, including SBR?

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  56. @Playa: Dont be fooled. He has a supplier in the Kei Cuttings for cheap meat and biltong. Slightly bruised from falling off the back of the truck, but at that price, its OK.

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  57. @BOG: SBR will be alright.The schools all do their own thing and have their own finances,but as for the provincial sides who knows??sad

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  58. @BOG: Grey sal nou eers wag dat Gim ‘n swak jaar het voor hulle kans sien vir ons en dit gebeur mos maar so elke 7 jaar. :wink:

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  59. @Ploegskaar: Weet nie my mater, Augustus is nog wyd. Myself dink Gim gaan weer ‘n sterk span he. Daai Cape Schools Week vroeer die jaar het die diepte mooi gebou vir die jaar toe ons moes klaarkom met ‘n seccies span. Verstaan daar is 9 spelers van die jaar wat volgende jaar gaan speel en is hul almal naby Hermanus en vd Berg gaan wees dan kan dit mos net goedgaan.

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  60. @BOG: Moi just speak the English(and if you notice any spelling mistakes-it is Mr Beet’s spelchecker’s mistake). Concerning your question…. Must be either KES , DHS or Grey Bloem? Even Affies must have a chance since the Titans is the most successful franchise – troffee wise- since the inception of the franchise system.
    But for some unexplained reason something tells me it must be Grey Bloem?

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  61. @Woltrui: You are right-8. Two more than KES, who is on 6. Titans not too strong these days—perhaps the reason why you are mixing trofees and coffee.@PaarlBok: Jy is omtrent reg. Jy se dat julle so elke 7e jaar n redelike span het. Dit blyk maar n probleem te wees, want daar is nie veel wat konsekwent n goeie span het nie.In die 6 maer jare kan julle darem netbal kyk.

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  62. @roger yes know quite a bit about KES. It’s cricket, rowing, polo and basketball season at the moment so difficult to gauge how the team will do next year. It is my view that the boys are very motivated focussing on strength and conditioning. Pack maybe on the light side but backs could show some promise, some nice speed out wide. They could upset a few but will entertain the crowds I believe. Top 20- doubtful!

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  63. @ grasshopper no scarra was not home grown. KES will be the first to acknowledge that. What is fact is that he matriculated from KES and will thus always be seen as an old boy of the reds! Credit should be given to all the schools he attended, they all played a part in his development.

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  64. @deecee: Don’t let Grasshopper try and pull the wool over your eyes about the Glenwood players all being home grown. Anybody who knows the Durban rugby scene will know that Glenwood source their players from all over the place at a young age. Especially from the likes of Port Natal, hence Afrikaans being the predominant language at 1st XV level at an English High School.

    The problem with Glenwood is that they’ve had success over the past few years, but, their heads have gotten too big in Durban, all they want to do is play Festival rugby now in the hopes that they can catch a top 10 side in an off year to try and get into the top 5 in the country. Hency all the animosity they’ve caused between themselves and schools like Westville in the province.

    Glenwood should stick to trying to win all of their games in KZN first before scheduling fixtures against Grey Bloem every year.

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  65. @Woltrui: I heard that class of 2014 was late bloomers. This year seven of them already played Wit Bulle. Maybe a little short in the front row, but otherwise I would suggest that nobody underestimate them. Definitely not a walkover still Affies.
    The death of Swapo may have had an impact but not on the field. So no reason to hide behind. The boys’ pride and respect for their friend would definitely NOT be used as an excuse.

    I think Affies may be the big surprise of 2014.

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  66. @QC86: Eish!But the wallet should be a bit fatter considering petrol has gone down (here’s to hoping it doesn’t go up again between now and then).

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  67. @BOG: It’s an absolute disaster. The schools will be ok, it might mean parents have to fork out more for Craven Week/GK week/Academy week.
    Butt of more interest, I’d like to see how they can carry on justify the policy of not picking contracted boys for these weeks.What on earth do they think they can still offer them?

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  68. @PaarlBok: Geen twyfel Gim sal kompiterend wees en die meeste spanne rol nie, MAAR, dink beslis meeste opponente sal dink hulle het ‘n beter kans teen ‘n Gim-span sonder Bothma, Vermeulen, Schickerling en Nell.

    Op ‘n persoonlike noot sien ek veral daarna uit om Boland die volgende drie jaar teen Gim, Bois en die Rose te sien speel en vertrou die tellings sal darem so ‘n bietjie laer teen hierdie drie superskool-rugbyreuse wees.

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  69. a few changes to the fixture list above.

    First of all as mentioned Monnas and EG have been split up on Day 1 so now its:

    Monnas vs College
    Grey PE vs EG Jansen

    Also really good news and I’m happy to eat humble pie here:
    On day 2 Glenwood and Grey College are split up so now its

    Grey Bloem vs Monnas
    Outeniqua vs Glenwood

    Only let down is for those who hoped to see a Grey Bloem vs Monnas game at KERF :cry:

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  70. @Ploegskaar: Ploeg ja hulle sal gemis word maar dan het Gim lank gespeel sonder hul provinsiale spelers en is daar ook ‘n jaar terug gedink dat ons Pollard gaan mis. Omdat Gim soos Boland minder seuns het as die ander grotes is die voordeel dat hul jonger spelers vinniger en meer deurbring na die boonste vlak. Grant Hermanus was die jaar uitstekend, hoe gaan hy volgende jaar wees? Sit die ander 8 by en jy het klaar ‘n gesonde basis om van te werk met been there done that ondervinding. Om na twee jaar terug se u16 uitslae te kyk en te gebruik as maatstaf dink ek is ‘n bietjie fataal wanneer jy vergelyk met ‘n skool soos Gim. Myself is optimisties vir 2014 vir die Bloedworse, sal maar sien soos die jaar aangaan.

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  71. @BOG: Bog dit help nie om met persoonlike beledigings te kom nie my mater. Jy maak net jou eie naam gat. Look at the 2013 rankings en relax. :wink:

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  72. Sal graag wil sien dat elke jaar se Top 20 skole (soos bv op BHP se ranglys) die volgende jaar by Wildeklawer speel. Dan sal dit werklik ‘n “Superskole” kompetisie wees en word skole beloon vir hul harde werk en resultate deur te eindig in die top 20.

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  73. @BOG: who are ther cricketeres Bog – name ’em? Is this just port isolation? Off the top of my head from KES -:
    Smith
    McKenzie
    Bacher
    Pothas
    Vilas
    De Kock
    Van Jaarsveld

    Thats seven

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  74. @Jordaan: Yes you are correct, any boy coming to the school in grade 11 is not homegrown, so Marne Coetzee as an example is more Waterkloof than Glenwood. Also BJ Botha was more Kloof than DHS. Also, all those post matrics in the 90’s. The key is what is the definition of ‘homegrown’, for me it’s being at the school since grade 8 of which Glenwood will have about 18 in the 1st team squad of 22 next year ;)

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  75. @Jordaan: Just to add scouting in other provinces at grade 7 level is fine, it’s an open playing field then when kids are moving from primary school to high school. Glenwood getting boys from Afrikaans schools in KZN is a natural movement due to a large number of Afrikaans boarders. Those coming from others do so at their own choice obviously assisted with bursaries which virtually all schools offer. So these kids and their parents have options. If Glenwood gets a few kids from Pretoria good on them..

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  76. @PaarlBok: En hier is n demonstrasie van hoe jy jouself “boost” Klaar vergeet wat my kommentaar vooraf gegaan het. Dit noem mens selektiewe geheueverlies (en moralteit) Vir iemand wie so gesteld was daarop dat die geskiedenis verby is, is jy darem baie ingestel op die seisoen van 2013. Dan kan ek ook maar seker vir jou vra oor die stand van skoolrugby die laaste TIEN jaar, of hoe? Ons kan tog sekerlik nie net selektief uit die verlede gebruik nie.

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  77. @BOG: I see they are missing Dane Vilas. He was capped this year against Zimbabwe. Unlikely to get another cap though with Quinton De Kock playing so well.

    KES 7 and Grey College 8 – well done

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  78. @BOG: pretty unfair to leave out all those cricketers who played for SA in the isolation days against Aus, WI, Eng etc. Kenny McKewon, Kevin McKenzie, Lee Barnard, Hugh Page, Ray Jennings, Alan Kourie, Steven Jeffreys, Garth le Roux, Henry Fotheringham, Denys Hobson etc etc etc

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  79. @Roger: I agree- some of the finest cricketers we will ever have. The first one on your list, shares the same paternal grandfather as “Queenian”, esteemed JJS and Queens OB on this blog, if i am not mistaken. Did you know?

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  80. @BOG: Very interesting. Surprised to see that Queens has only 2 test players in history, both playing post-isolation 8-O .They’ve always been a superb cricketing school, really thought they had more.

    Dale would have 10 test representatives ( Hylton Ackerman not included as the 1971 test against Australia in 1971 got cancelled due to boycotts; Kenny Watson selected in 1982 but the matches were not recognised as tests as SA was still in isolation). Obviously this could change the number of reps for other schools as well.

    I love this sort of info

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  81. @Playa: Another piece of info that you may enjoy- Victor Mpitsang, on his debut match, had on his back the name “Mpiesang”. They had made a mess with the print and if Im not mistaken, its that jumper which is in the Re-union hall at GCB, the hall where all the 1st jumpers of the SA representatives, are exhibited. Needles to say, this hall is getting rather full :lol: .

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  82. @Grasshopper: Good, just wanted you to confirm that scouting is a level playing field for all schools which are heavily involved in this. There is no such thing as a home grown team anymore, especially in KZN, as the rugby team just wouldn’t be competitive. Those schools with the better recruitment programs and better overall name tend to be the most successful, very similar to how College sport is run in the USA.

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  83. @Jordaan: Agreed, if you look at Glenwood results prior to 2000 over 90 years, against traditional opposition our win ratio was 42% add in the likes of Port Natal, Pinetown, St Henry’s, Grosvenor and others it goes up to 54%. So just over half our games won, which means about average. Since 2000, we have had a 65% win ratio, which is good but not brilliant. This has coincided with recruitment of Afrikaans and Xhosa boys from other provinces, but would be higher if Glenwood didn’t keep playing 10 Top 20 sides a year. College must have about a 80% win ratio over traditional opponents and 70% overall. College is by far the better overall rugby school over the past 90 years. The first 45 years was like lambs to slaughter for Glenwood, they even lost to KES in 1940 :wink:

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  84. @BOG: @Roger: Ye you right there but old Roger here is spelling my great Scottish name like a yo yo . Rodger it is Mc Ewan my friend.

    @BOG: We are proud Queens/JJS old boys just like you a proud GCB/JJS old boy. Shows our two great schools have something in common and that’s “JJS”

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  85. @Queenian: A little bird told me the other day that your daughter is head girl of RCGH next year and your son head boy of Muir Junior for next year. Well if that’s true well done is that your elder or your younger daughter.

    You sure they your kids boet? :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

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  86. @Queenian: I noticed the surname. I lived in the UK when your cuz played for the county, Essex. If what rugbyfan says is true about your two kiddies, congratulations. It shows that ones future is not neccessarily restricted by ones father :mrgreen: I guess your wife must be a great person though.@Tjoppa: I fully understand what you are saying. They talk so much sh1 t in Pretoria, that they do need a hall as a toilet.

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  87. @BOG: @Queenian: do yourself a favor and read the below article:
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/578932.html
    Scary the talent that missed out in those years. I reckon we would have dominated world cricket in the 70’s post the 1971 4-0 walloping of Aus much like the Windies in the eighties and Aus the late nineties and early noughties. Mark Nicholas mentions Kenny Mc Ewan (apologies for butchering the spelling :mrgreen: ) but he doesn’t get the nod – imagine having the likes of him on the bench 8-O.

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  88. @Roger: @Grasshopper: Just remember that in the 70s we had the Pollocks, Peter and Greame, Eddie Barlow, Bacher, Lindsay, Ackerman, Trimborn, Goddard, Barry Richards and a few others. Clive Rice, Kenny, Mc Ewan, Peter Kirsten, Allan Lamb, Wessels, Garth Le Roux, Deneys Hobson ect, followed a bit later. Rice, no doubt the best all rounder of his time and of course a good personal friend of Richard Hadlee. They were also team mates at Notts. Obviously, I left out a few names and one must take into account that as some came to the end of their careers, others just started off. I am glad though that I had the privilege to watch Greame Pollock bat. As a left hander, I have not seen any better, and the expression “poetry in motion” or whatever, was not inappropriate in his case.

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  89. @BOG: The only side that possibly could have given SA a run for the money in the 70’s was the Aus team of the late seventies with the Chappells, Marsh Lillee and Thompson. The WI were still an emerging force then and Eng were so-so. Tony Greig (another Queens boy) would certainly not have furthered his career with Eng if he could have played test cricket in SA. By the eighties SA would have been eclipsed by the Windies but would still have been very very good with Cook, Fothers, Robin Smith, Lamb Kirsten, McMillan, Hanly, Jennings, Kourie, Page, Le Roux, Rice etc etc. Dont forget a West Indies B team beat us in SA in ’82 and ’83. Richards, Pollock, Van Der Bijl, Barlow etc were all past their best by then

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  90. ‘I think Transvaal in 1981/2 could have taken on almost any national team,’ says van der Bijl. ‘I mean our team was Jimmy Cook, Henry Fotheringham, Alvin Kallicharran, Graeme Pollock, Kevin MacKenzie, Clive Rice, Alan Kourie, Ray Jennings, ‘Spook’ Hanley, myself and Neil Radford. And then Sylvester Clarke took my place for the next year and probably even strengthened the team.

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  91. @Grasshopper: they were good – but the Windies in the eighties were incredible – once in a lifetime group of players. Just like Aus in the late nineties.

    Pollock and big Vince were a little long in the tooth by then

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  92. @Roger: Remember, the Chappells were already playing when Australia toured SA in 1970 and got well beaten. Ian Chappell, the bad looser he was, tried very hard to blame the umpires in SA, particularly Hayward Kitson (an OG). But they were truly overwhelmed and keep in mind that they had just beaten India IN India just before they toured SA. Oh yes, the player that I have to mention, because of his fielding, was Colin Bland. His ability to hit a single stump from the boundary, was just phenomenal. Some cricket reporters (from UK) actually wrote complete reports just on Blands fielding, aided by drawings. They simply did not have the words to do justice to his abilities.

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  93. @Roger: Speaking of Tony Greig, I actually wonder if he would have played for SA. He played for Border and to be quite honest, was pretty average. It was only after he went to play for Sussex, he excelled in English conditions. Of course he grabbed his opportunity and later became a great cricketer. So, I dont question his abilities, but I do wonder if he would have made it IN SA with the group we had at the time.He probably would have had to compete with Clive Rice for a spot.

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  94. @BOG: Ian Chappell has the unenviable record of having played 9 tests against SA lost 7 drawn 1 and won 1. Pillock that he is – Ian Botham should have knocked him out properly in that Aussie pub!

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  95. @BOG: re: Tony Greig – you are right – very similar to Kevin Pietersen so the UK move was probably good for him.

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  96. @Roger: Agreed on all fronts, Trott, Pietersen and Greig would have got lost in our system for not being standout at 18….there are others. Robin Smith and Graham Hick, not sure….

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  97. Would be great to create a best ever English South African team with Basil D’Oliveria as cappie..

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  98. Jonathan Trott
    Andrew Strauss
    Kevin Pietersen
    Allan Lamb
    Robin Smith
    Basil D’Oliveria
    Matt Prior
    Neal Radford
    Tony Greig
    Ian Greig
    Stuart Meaker

    Reserves
    Chris Smith
    Jade Dernbach

    Not a bad side at all…

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  99. @Roger: True, they probably should because they played their professional cricket in SA before going. Here are some others, schools maybe wrong;

    Craig Kieswetter & Chris Cooke (Bishops)
    Nick Compton (Hilton)
    Wayne Madsen (Kearsney)
    Dale Benkenstein (Michaelhouse)
    Michael Lumb, Stephen Moore & Greg Smith along with Grant Elliott for NZL (St Stithians)
    Tom Curran (Hilton)
    Rikki Wessels (Woodridge)

    Others at high level public schools like Trott & Pietersen

    Keaton Jennings (KES)
    Michael Richardson (Rondebosch)
    Jade Dernbach, Jason Roy & Stuart Meaker (Glenwood)
    Gareth Roderick & Neil Dexter (Northwood)
    Dawid Malan (Paarl Boys)

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  100. @Gungets Tuft: I think all three were at Glenwood Prep, so probably should say Glenwood Prep, although Jade Dernbach I think left in Grade 9. Anyway, no real claim to any of them they all left very young. If they left after school then they can be claimed as Saffa’s..

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  101. @Gungets Tuft: Robin Jackman was born in India, but of British descent- father was in the military. His connections with Southern Africa, was cricket. His wife was SA though. And I know this all VERY well.He was raised in the UK and became a professional cricketer at Surrey before coming to Southern Africa as a pro in the English off season and finding a wife in CT.

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  102. @Grasshopper: Meaker was a Kloof primary before they left when he was 12.

    Dernbach went to St Johns in Chunnisbeg.

    Roy was a Durban boy, left when he was 10.

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  103. @Gungets Tuft: Yeah, thought at much. I know Stuart’s sister and they were from Kloof, bad intelligence there. Dernbach was at Glenwood for a bit, confirmed by a teacher there. Not sure about Roy. What I do know is Cody Chetty and Prenelan Subrayen are making names for themselves now…

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  104. @ Grassy- typical GW( Trying to copy Westville :lol: )
    @Gungets- I am sure it was you that gave us the Sermon from the Mount re the grade 9 boy and the fact that the Bulls have no financial influence over College.( the only obligation being to recommend the Bulls when the due date arrives). I presume the Sunday Times article that seems to mention another boy( winger) and the possibility of a monthly allowance is on the same terms :roll:

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  105. @star: Cpying Westville for what, never!

    @Gungets – nah bored now. Why have you got so grumpy in the past few months. A year ago you were matey matey now I’m like your public enemy no1. A little disappointed really considering both of us call the Manning’s friends. They certainly are not begrudging…anyway.

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  106. @star: I saw the article – someone sent me a scan. I don’t lower my standards to buying or reading the Sunday Crimes, and since I got religion I don’t even shoplift it any more.

    Don’t know anything about the monthly allowance, if that is there then I guess it must be his hopeful future franchise offering it. His scholarship at College is 100% covered by internal funding. The Bull give nothing to College.

    I do hope that the headmaster of Hoerskool Swartland told Mr Guma that he was going to quote him in the national newspapers, seems a bit offsides if he did not, smacks of using confidential information for personal gain.

    I also wonder if the boy was advised to speak to his parents before consenting to an interview with a reporter, just to make sure that questions were vetted by a grown-up, rather that getting prompted replies to pointed questions. It doesn’t take much to lead a 15 year old boy down a line of questioning that suits you, as well as prompt a little “boast” about pocket money. Mr Govender does not have the whole story, just a little tabloid piece, but why should that get in the way of a story.

    I know that if a reporter questioned my 15 year old son about motivations to move and other financial matters he would deal with me and the press ombudsman. If a school headmaster decided to wax lyrical about my son in the national press, without clearing it with me first, he could expect a visit in short order.

    Anything else … ?? .. it is, after all, freedom of speech day.

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  107. @Gungets Tuft: Everyday is freedom of speech day on this blog, that is why I love it. It’s pretty kak when rumours are started and assumptions made without hard evidence….welcome to the world Glenwood has to deal with in rugby everyday…

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  108. @Grasshopper: Eeisch, boet. We go from putting together the best SA Exiles team to you name dropping two current Glenwood performers, with nary a pause. Not every thread has to be a school chest beating session, sometimes it is just enough to have an exchange of ideas. But no matter.

    The only reason I even raised the issue of Stuart Meaker is because I have very close links to the family. I don’t know which of the two sisters you know, but I probably sat next to them at their moms wedding to my brother ….

    I have hardly blogged for 4 months, some of us have day jobs, need to pay the bills.

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  109. @Roger: Work, work, work, I have habits to support.. and careful with that “closer to the action” stuff, I have feelings too, man, cut me, I bleed :cry:

    Nothing to add above. Was nice to see Vince van der Bijl’s name come up though, he is an absolute gentleman. He didn’t teach me but was on staff when I was at school and a more genial, fair, measured and gentle man you could not hope to meet. Obviously he had physical stature, which he never used (other than on the pitch), but also influence (celebrity sort of status) but you would never know. One of life’s good men.

    But ja, those days, when you had to be at Kingsmead damn early to get a decent spot on the bank, provincial ODIs had more passion that international ones do now, we never missed them.

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  110. @Gungets Tuft: :lol: like a fine wine – gets better with age. I imagine not too many pupils disobeyed Big Vince – intimidating presence to say the least. KES College on the 10th of May – will you make the trip up to the big smoke?

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  111. @Roger: :-D Intimidating is not a word I would use, except that you did know that if he wanted to he could snap you like a twig. I reckon okes just respected him, no threat necessary. Rare teacher.

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  112. @Gungets Tuft: And even the few tests had huge crowds. Then, the players were not paid. Now, they are paid large amounts to play to empty stands. Something is wrong.

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  113. @BOG: The fun has gone out of it, it is too business like. I have a mate who played in those days, it’s a giggle listening to him. He tells of a bet that Clive Rice had with his team mates about how long it would take him to get the Kingsmead crowd baying for his blood. The team went for 2 overs (the Machine was fielding). They walked out, the Natal batsman took guard (could have been Fothers, or even Brian Witfield, I didn’t see it myself), Clive took a stroll down the wicket and “marked” an X on the batsman. The crowd went dilly, Rice turned to his team mates and bowed.

    Wouldn’t happen now.

    My mate showed me a “payslip” from those days. 4- day Currie Cup game, I think he got paid R50, had to take 5 days off work with the travel.

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  114. @Ploegskaar: Kry net gou die feite reg Ploegie!..Boishaai het nie “ge-opt” om nie teen Oakdale te speel nie..Die bepalingslys wat oorspronklik opgestel was vir WP skole rugby skedules was heeltemal oorvol!..HJS sou Paul Roos eers op die 9de Aug gespeel het. Die naweek na Interskole. Tradisioneel is dit n afnaweek vir die twee Paarl skole na al die hype. Die enigste ander opsie wat beskikbaar was om teen PRG te speel aangesien hulle een van die WP bepalings is en ons n lang geskiedenis het met PRG was die 7de Junie. PRG sou Tygerberg gespeel het op daardie datum. Nou is die wedstryde net geswaai sodat Oakdale teen Tygerberg speel en HJS teen PRG. Om aan te neem of te suggereer dat HJS n sterk Oakdale probeer vermy is iewat verregaande aangesien ons teen PRG gaan speel wat sekerlik op dieselfde standaard as Oakdale is of hoe?

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  115. @BoishaaiPa: Hel, jy’t lank gevat om op daai een te reageer! Toemaar, ek weet HJS en Gim speel tradisioneel nie teen Boland of PRG na interskole nie, maar kon die versoeking nie weerstaan!

    Moet net die volgende opklaar wat die Tygerberg/Oakdale wedstryd betref: Dis onderling tussen die twee skole gereël, met die bemiddeling van TS, Tygerberg sou oorspronklik teen HHH speel en Oakdale was sonder ‘n bepaling….

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  116. @Gungets Tuft: @BOG: Lee Barnard tells a great story of when he was playing for N Tvl against the Mean Machine. His teamates stuck some chewing gum into his helmet just before going out to bat. Now everyone knows Lee Barnard’s hair is pretty wiry (to use a PC term). When he was out in the middle and tried to take his helmet off it was all stuck and glued to his hair – after 3 minutes of Barnard trying to extricate his helmet from his head Rice got irritable and shouted down the pitch – “what the hell is going on” – Barnard told him the problem and Ricey responded ” leave it in there and I’ll knock it out for you”

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  117. @Gungets Tuft: @Roger: I heard a story about Barry Richards, early in his career when he was still playing club cricket in Durban. I believe that, with all his talent, he got bored quite easily. I heard the same when he was playing for Hampshire and he gave himself all kinds of challenges. Anyway, he bet the bowler at the time (Dont know who it was) that he would cut the next ball with the edge of the bat for 4, which he gracefully did. Of course, the opposition insisted that it was a fluke. He then offered to double his bet to do so again, and again the ball sped to the boundary. Many realized that day what a talented player he really was. I believe that he was not a great team person and had a will of his own, but Bob Willis, in his book, rated Barry Richards as one of the greatest batsmen ever.But then again, I believe he spent many hours practicing, and as Gary Player said, the more you practice, the luckier you get.

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  118. @Queenian: A great story to encourage young kids. No matter who your father is, you can still reach the top :mrgreen: And when we apply this lesson to cattle breeding, dont only rely on the genes of the bull.The cows certainly deserve more credit.

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  119. Lyk my o0ns mag dalk net vir Gim en Grey teen mekaar sien by by Wilde Klawer.

    Beeld”Die bepaling teen Glenwood behoort te verander omdat die twee spanne later in die jaar ’n interskole-kragmeting teen mekaar het. Die span van Bloemfontein kan dus heel moontlik met Paarl Gimnasium in sy tweede wedstryd kragte meet. Gimmies en EG Jansen is teen mekaar op die tweede dag geloot. Nie die span van die Paarl of EG Jansen het interskole-stryde teen Glenwood of Grey nie, so dit kan heel moontlik wees dat die organiseerders hierdie twee wedstryde se spanne skommel.” Ons hou duim vas in die Paarl. :-D Vyf jaar is n baie lang tyd om te wag.

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  120. @BOG: Couple of years ago I still played in the “Friendly Cricketers” league here in the Cape…it is basically a Sunday league for over 40’s..The “Friendly” is debatable as old cricketers are all very competitve..The older we get the better we used to be!..Anyway, there was a social team then sponsored by Fidentia who employed a couple of ex-internasional and provincial cricketers to play in this Sunday league…To give you an example..Eric Simons, Merick Pringle, Dave Callaghan, Louis Koen (The cricketer), his brother Piet Koen, Eldine Baptiste etc…they were quite a formidable Sunday Team!…Anyway, we lost the toss they batted and hit seven types of shyte out of our bowling attack..I pulled a hammy running all over the the field trying to stop the flow of runs and had to retire hurt..I was then slotted down the order and came in to bat at 11 with a runner (my son volunteered!)..Needless to say when I came in to bad there was about 8 overs left and not a hope in hell to chase down the scrore…Prings was standing at slip as I was desperatly trying to bat using only backfoot shots to Callaghan cause I could not get onto my frontfoot due to the hammy in my leftleg being torn…Prings then told me “dont expect anything short you can pull, hook or cut cause Dave is going to f…up that hammy of yours real good!”..couple of balls later having played an missed most, Prings calls out again..” how ’bout a catch here in slips as you are wasting valuable drinking time!”…I obliged with the very next ball, opening the face of the bat and slicing the ball with everthing I could muster…it hit Pringle right in his chest!… I’ll tell you, the conversation after that is not for public consumption, but we had a great laugh after the game over a couple of beers!

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  121. @PaarlBok: Ek het lank saam met Louis gespeel in die Boland en teen Piet klubkrieket gespeel…wedersydse respek!..dit sou in elk geval nie saakmaak watse trui ek daai dag aangehad het nie!

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  122. @BOG: Barry Richards was a genius and is most likely the best batsman SA has ever produced pity he never played more test cricket.

    He still holds the record of any SA player when it comes to first class hundreds and Kenny Mc Ewan is second on that list, what SA missed during the 1970/92 period is a shame some of these players would have been house hold names.

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  123. @BoishaaiPa: Yeh, I wonder which, cricket or rugby, has the most stories, but with the professional era, the stories have got less. Before, be it cricket or rugby,it was a break from the monotony of an office job and there was much sport and sports involved. In the same book, Bob Willis writes about his experiences when he played for the old N- Tvl and the balanced approach SA cricketers had – they sank many beers after the days play, but when they played, it was with total commitment. Regarding your match, there could not have been much respect if Pringle fielded in the slips

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  124. @Roger: One of the best that I heard, more recently, was when Hartley Alleyne was playing for Natal. He pinned a batsman hard, knocked him over and nearly unconcious. The Natal players all ran in to see if he was ok. Hartley also went down, and had a quick look, saw he was OKish, then said “Get up mon, you’re littering my crease”, then walked back to his mark.

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  125. @badboy: I would hate to compare Barry Richards with Greame Pollock, Barry being right handed opener and Greame a left hander. On one occasion, Barry opened the batting for his county, Hampshire, the conditions were extreme for batting. The ball was doing all kinds of tricks with erratic bounce and swinging both ways. By lunch time, he had less than ten on the bord , but he had survived the new ball and the conditions. His thumb was swollen and blue from the ordeal but went on to get a big score. Certainly the best opener, ever, anywhere.

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  126. @BOG: Agreed on Barry Richards, that is from my dad’s mouth who was at school with him at DHS. He said he was a genius! Not the friendliest guy at school and his parents were a pain, but when it came to cricket at school it was like a man vs boys. DHS can be very proud of him and their most recent cricketing ‘wall’ in Hashim Amla…

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  127. I have to remind you all this is a rugby blog. The thread is Wildeklawer 2014 and not memories 1923. Please gentleman even the nursie is getting bored.

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  128. Any more intellectually uplifting comments on WK, other than saying “this is a rugby blog—” ? Perhaps how the price of onions will effect continued sponsorship?

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  129. @BOG: Sorry Bog I believe that everybody must know his limits. Therefore requesting Intellectually Uplifting Comments disqualify me as an accessory to this discussion.

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  130. @BOG: As I said I am out. No Intellectual Uplifting Comments. My live story states short and sweet ” Drank en poef het my lewe verwoef” Doory Oom

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  131. Beet – give us a Grogper update – KES over Northwood and Saints over St Charles must have evened it up ?

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  132. @beet: Good day,
    I know the youngsters are not part of the Wildeklawer tournament, but where can we get more info on their games. HTS Middelburg 0/15 is playing against an Invitation team, I would like to know who they are and where are they from. Info will be highly appreciated if possible.

    Isn’t there a bit of info for this weekend’s Tuks supper 16 semi’s for us?

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  133. @ROOIBUL: Pity that HTSM u/15 is playing weaker opposition at WK ie Invitation XV & Diamantveld. The organisers may have missed a trick, should have pitted them against a powerhouse or two, maybe from Cape, to test their No 1 ranking according to a certain website.

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  134. Paarl Gim se wedstryd tye:
    Maandag 28 April

    19A vs Affies om 14:25
    16A vs Affies om 07:30
    15A vs Affies om 09:30
    14A vs Affies om 11:30

    Woensdag 30 April

    19A vs Grey Bloem 16:50
    16A vs Glenwood 15:40
    15A vs Glenwood 11:00
    14A vs Glenwood 13:00

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  135. How many bloggers are going to Wildclover? We should have a little get together there. Have a little schoolboyrugby.com corner there on the deck. That same deck where the Grey supporters were making such a noise while Faf Tredoux was kicking for posts Grey vs Waterkloof 2011

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  136. @Andre T: let’s see if we can improve on that, push the decibels to new heights. During the break, perhaps duppie can give us a demo of how he went around the big hole, naked of course. He should compliment those well dressed photographers quite nicely

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  137. @BOG: Los my meisies uit. Ek staan by hulle deur dik of dun. Onse mense.
    Mr T wie gaan almal daar wees. Ek en mamma ook daar.
    Het gister vir haar ‘n kamera, no8 Sissy Jeans en ‘n rooi g string wat lekka hoog optrek gaan koop.
    Tjoppa gaan jy ook? Sal jou wil voorstel aan die mammies.

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  138. @Duppie: Hel ou Dup waar het jy heen verdwyn?
    Gaan probeer daar wees. Tel nog hoeveel van die bende gaan saam.
    Sal ou Shirley se jy wil haar gaan voorstel aan die dames.

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  139. @Duppie: Ek en Spear is daar. Beyers besluit nog. Skoonma se sy mis Kimberley vir niks. Imagine net as sy met daai 36DD’s in daai stywe luiperdvel toppie daar rondloop. Ek hoop nie van die ou toppies begin kierie kap nie.

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  140. @Andre T: Kan jou ‘n instamatic kamera leen vir skoonma as sy die drietal wil join. Sal jy tekkies kan organise. Laaste toe ek haar ontmoet het het sy gese sy trek nie eens die spyker skoene uit as sy bed toe gaan nie. Mind you veral nie as sy bed toe gaan nie. :evil: :evil:

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  141. Ek gaan da wees. Sal kwaai wees om julle te ontmoet, maar seker soos by Kearsney herken ek niemand nie. Ek het saam Beet gesit en hy wou van julle uitwys, ma dit wou my voorkom julle het seker in Castle corner gesit????????

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  142. @ROOIBUL: Jy gaan bel…dan vertel hy jou hy is by die plek..en dan by daai plek, dan kry jy hom nooit want hy is nie eers daar nie!…Vra maar vir my en paar ander manne. Die Scarlett Pimpernell homself!..

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  143. @BoishaaiPa: Ek belowe ek en Duppie en Pinotage is beslis daar.

    Sommer lus om n stalletjie ook daar oop te maak, So paar Petunias gou te smous.

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  144. @Andre T: Dankie vir die invite. Maar ek my video kamera op onse mammas hou. Wou nog altyd youtube treffer gehad het. My wederhelf oefen al die heel week om op volspoed aksie foto’s te neem.

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  145. Affies se rekord by Wildeklawer superskole sedert 2009 loop as volg.

    Paarl Gim 2009 : wen Boland Landbou 27-18, verloor Paarl Gim 16-22
    Affies 2010 : wen Paul Roos 18-6, verloor Paarl Boishaai 8-13
    Diamandveld 2011 : wen Paarl Boishaai 25-10, wen Paarl Gim 59-6
    Diamandveld 2012 ; wen Paarl Boishaai 22-14, verloor Paul Roos 22-32
    Maritzburg College 2013 : wen Framesby 41-21, wen Paul Roos 17-10
    Diamandveld 2014 : Paarl Gim ??, Oakdale ??

    Dit is 70% wat hand aan hand loop met Affies se gemiddelde historiese wen rekord teen alle skole in die land. Sien uit na more en mag die beste spanne wen.

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  146. @OudAffie: Interresant hoe julle wedstryde teen HJS Paarl en Paul Roos verloop het. In 2010 wen julle PRG maar verloor teen HJS, maar HJS verloor later teen PRG. In 2012 wen julle vir HJS maar verloor teen Paul Roos en HJS wen toe later weer vir Paul Roos. Baie gelykop verloop. HJS het presies dieselfde resultate as julle op WK..Speel 10 wen 7 verloor 3. Ongelukkig sal ons eers weer volgende jaar daar wees.

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  147. @BoishaaiPa, Buiten Grey College is daar nie veel tussen Affies, Paul Roos, Paarl Gim of Paarl Boishaai nie. Hulle rekords is, moet seker baie naby wees. bv Affies se rekords teen die skole loop as volg.
    Affies vs Paul Roos : gespeel 17, wen 9, verloor 7, gelykop 1
    Affies vs Paarl Gim : gespeel 13, wen 6, verloor 6, gelykop 1
    Affies vs Paarl Boishaai : gespeel 19, wen 12, verloor 7, gelykop 0

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  148. Not a very good game between Grey PE and EG Jansen, lots of basic mistakes, skills and kicking not good

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  149. What a great second halve by both teams, well played EG Jansen great commitment and guts at the end.

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  150. Affies u16A vs Paarl Gim u16A verloor 10 (10) – 17 (0)
    Affies u15A vs Paarl Gim u15A wen 29 (?) – 06 (?)
    Affies u14A vs Paarl Gim u14A wen 24 (12 ) – 0 (0)

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  151. Under 15
    Glenwood 17 – 0 Waterkloof

    Under 16
    Waterkloof 23 – 14 Glenwood

    Under 14?

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  152. @Grasshopper: Against WK Glenwood U15A won 24-0 & U14A won 38-5. Grey Coll still the school to beat. I must say that the Affies U15A look outstanding. College U15A 10 had a great game against Oakdale. Not sure of the score but College U16A lost heavily to Monnas.

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  153. Gimmies bo!
    Defnitief die beste span van die eerste dag, krieket telling teen Affies.
    Ons het nog hope beserings…..

    Gimmie Guts!!

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  154. 20-15 to Kwaggas, hard luck Green Machine! Played 9 won 7 lost 2 ain’t too bad especially considering those were within a month….get home rest and get ready for the local season…

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  155. Followed the game via webrugby and through some people in Kimberly… seems like poor kicking for poles hurt Glenwood… but it seems that the Outeniqua missed a few kicks as well!

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  156. Wat is die amptelike rede vir die kansellering van die onder 16 wedstryd tussen Noord-Kaap en Boland Landbou vanmiddag? Nie-amptelik word verneem dat een van die twee spanne ouer spelers gebruik het in n vorige wedstryd.

    Hoe bliksems moeilik is dit om by Boksmart se voorskrifte te hou? Is sekere manne plain onnosel of donners skelm?

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  157. @ Grassy- Westville were very lethargic against House and were 14 points down before they could get the sleepy dust out of their eyes. GW have had an equally tough time and I wonder what the program of WK and the Kwaggas was and if they had also had 3 tough games in as many days.( taking nothing away from their victories though)

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  158. Well done Kwaggas, always a close game with them. I think they lead the head to head count now, 3-2. Zandberg an SA Schools hopeful…

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  159. looks like paul roos season started after that grey lost.
    not much between the tops schools this year.

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  160. Apparently (and allegedly) NK picked 3 over aged “U/16” players for their match on Monday !! At the end of the day the Boland players had to pay the price for another team’s dishonesty !!
    To travel more or less 1000 kilometres for one game must be terrible !!

    I hope NK gets punished severely for this deceitful behaviour!! I can’t understand how a coach can allow this to happen – shameful and disgusting !!

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  161. @BuffelsCM: I think it’s ridiculous to cancel the game. NK has lost everything this year and to punish BL is not good. Like you said: “Travel 1000 km to play 1 game”. Stupid!!!!

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  162. @BuffelsCM: The following scenario comes.to mind: my son who is genuinely under 16 plays in a.game where some of th opponents, in breach of the Boksmart rules, are older than 16. One of the older and bigger boys tackles my son and he is seriously injured.
    I promise you sir that I will sue the shit out of the guilty parties. And I am confident that I will succeed. Not a case of Volenti non fit iniuria.
    This kind of bulls.. must be stopped. Immediately.

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  163. What was the final score between Paul Roos and EG Jansen? EG Jansen can be very proud of their performances after probably one of the toughest schedules the last few weeks. I thought the wheels might come of at some or other point but did not. Now they can recover for the big final against HTS Middeelburg on the 10th May

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  164. @PRondersteuner: over and above that, there are way too many controversial decisions affecting results. The standard of refereeing today was way below par in the 3 matches I watched. Knock on resulting in points etc. not great.

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  165. @PRondersteuner: I guess they should have had enough U/16 players left to play the game against BL but as Pinotage has rightly said: if a player gets injured by an over aged player, SARU will not be liable for any damages but the guilty parties will be liable, i.e coaches, player(s) etc. That is why (among other things) we have Boksmart.

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  166. @BuffelsCM: I know a little bit about the Law of Delict. I also spoke with Boksmart. These guys are looking for trouble.

    Please just stop this now.

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  167. well done to the PRG boys on a good victory over EG Jansen…..hope they kick on from here & have a stellar season :twisted:

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  168. @jakes: I agree Jakes – your boys had a big job to do and can be proud of themselves -no shame in that loss – these okes have ‘nads – thats for sure – Big úns

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  169. GC U/16A 23 vs Monnas 8 – klipharde wedstryd. Monnas se pak voorspelers groot en het Grey opdraande in die vaste vasette gegee. Grey baie goed verdedig en kanse op aanval goed afgerond.

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  170. @OudUppie: Grey coll teams are really looking sharp. Glenwood U15A lost 12-10 to Paarl Gim. Tough game marred by some racial name calling from the sideline that really upset the GW boys. Their hooker also broke his arm badly. GW U14A beat PG 31-0.

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  171. Racial name calling from the sideline – jeez, guys must be living in a different blady age

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  172. @jakes: Where is that final being played,EG I hope? I will def be there if I dont go down to Dbn next weekend.
    PLease tell your mate Valke to bring some cold ones.

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  173. @Tjoppa: not Noord Kaap’s best team but we’ll take the win …..we play much better in red. Boys showed character to come back from a record defeat.

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  174. @ Hllty- It is played at the Tuks rugby stadium in Pretoria( LC de Villiers stadium) on the 10th of May. No timetable yet. Redblack White, thanks. the guys must take a well deserve break now and get ready for the Tuks final against HTS Middelburg. It is a big one to win..Plus there will be some other exciting encounters like Monnas against Kempton park and Garsfontein against Nelspruit

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  175. @RBugger: yup….apparently it was the PG physio having a go at the GW flank. Called a K****R. 20 years into democracy and will still have this nonsense. Guys I am new to the blog and I am a staunch GW supporter. I have a passion for school boy rugby and know a thing or two about the game. Looking forward to being a part of the blog.

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  176. @umbiloburger: Mate, are you sure? That is pretty serious if true.

    This would not bode well for PG especially after what happened in that under 16 game vs Wynberg last year. A damn shame

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  177. Geez. It seems like to much off the field drama than on it.

    An allegation of a Wildeklawer SARU player no longer being in school (still u19 tho) was brought to Drostdy’s attention before their 1st XV game today.

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  178. @UMBILOBURGER…Nothing will happen to the guy…he will get a bit of a wrap over the knuckles and could find himself involved with the national side at some stage ala Andre Esterhuizen who is now a baby bok and who everybody goes mad for… we are such hypocrates…ban the oak, and all other alike from our sport I say…

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  179. geluk Bog en al die Grey ondersteuners met die oorwinning. Gim gaan weer sterk wees die jaar.

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  180. @Umbiloburger: :mrgreen:
    @Beet: Don’t they scrutinize the teams beforehand. What sanctions are applied against schools for fielding these older players? They should not be invited in future, me thinks.

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  181. wow so close for Paarl Gym! but congrats yet again to Grey College for seeing out the game……hope to see some footage in the next few days.PRG vs Gim next weekend gonna be epic,can’t wait!!

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  182. Well done Grey!!! Thought it would go other way. Just heard that Paul Roos were got the award for playing the most attractive rugby. Well done boys!!!!!

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  183. The only way to stamp out racism is to apply the rules to all parties. And please I do not condone in any way what was said. But us as a society we should stand up and say racism towards ANY person is WRONG. Finish and klaar. Make the penalty no matter who is involved equal.

    Concerning the schools that cheat get rid of coach, teacher etc who was involved. Banning the school from participating will penalize a lot of kids who was not involved. And the principal must take responsibility for his “staff’s” action.

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  184. Can we please leave this subject with elections coming up this is really to much to discuss on a rugby chat room.

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  185. @Tjoppa: Tjoppa I agree – I think they should be subjected to BOG’s behaviour modification treatment centre, all things will become grey, less black and white.

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  186. I really don’t know this black, white, indian and coloured thing in South Africa. I don’t see the difference we all the same to me I don’t know maybe its because I went to a multi racial school from primary school and was exposed to the different races from an early age but really now this is stupid. WE ARE ALL THE SAME!!!

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  187. @McCulleys Workshop: You’ve got BOG’s colour preference wrong. Have a look at both the GC Mangaung and Grey Nelson Mandela Bay emblems. The background, dominating both Greys’ emblem, is white with blue stripes, due to all Grey boys’ dream of one day playing for Western Province. Why else would they base their emblems largely on the famous WP rugby jersey? See, if they are good enough, they first come to Maties, where, after various psychological and IQ tests, we allow the successful 5% of the applicants to wear the maroon and gold jersey. Then, if they are good enough, they may wear the jersey portrayed on their emblems, that is, the white and blue striped WP jersey.

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  188. @Deon Pitzer: Trevor Noahs career is under threat, I see. After half a century, Im still trying to recover from the trauma I endured there- Tollies, The Grand, Drie Geuwels, Koffieklas at the Lanzerac and worst of all, Newlands. Not to mention the odd early morning class during winter. What I heard, was that its every Springboks dream to play for the Cheetahs one day, excluding this year of course. Mind you they have not played the ABs yet.

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  189. @Deon Pitzer: I’m not sure about that, over more recent years the Grey boys preferred a post matric at the best finishing school in the country, namely House, until we gave our sister school 40 points a few games in a row and had to give up our unfair practises. (Ok we were the forerunners to the professional era of hiring leasing renting and mortgage backed securities) Since then the Sharks have done a fair job of sending raiding scouts over the Berg, the fact that they were over aged or overweight was lost on the Sharks, they seem to prefer them with a few extra Pies! Or should that be the aftermath of too much good French living? You do know that the founder of Grey was colour blind, so to speak, and always thought that Black Wild Beasts had a blue hue to them, hence their school colours.

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  190. @McCulleys Workshop: Name me a boy that would not extend his school career by a year to play rugby and to receive confirmation of how much they had to be thankful for in Bloem. The increase in weight is largely due to a change in diet- from pap, vleis and Melk (PVM) to pies and Yorkshire pudding (and perhaps marriage). But he has done well to shed most of it.

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  191. @McCulleys Workshop: Brilliant! Much of University Stellenbosch’s success is due to many GCB Old Boys attending. Not sport only, academics, cultural level etc. And obviously the same applies to the HJS,Gim and many other great schools in e.g. the Northern Suburbs, too many to name. Actually, in my time at least, HJS was very impressive. University is a bit of a melting pot. BOG clearly was my predecessor in the party squad. BOG, van al jou party plekke DINK ek net Drie Euwels en Dros bestaan nog. Lanzerac bestaan natuurlik nog maar laat nie studente toe nie, om onverklaarbare redes!

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  192. @Deon Pitzer: Dankie vir die uitbreiding. Dit wil voorkom of my bydrae oorwegend “kultureel” van aard was. Kan nie glo dat die Lanzerac so onsportief en diskriminerend kan wees nie. Hulle het seker die besluit geneem nadat hulle die winste en verliese (uit studente) opgeweeg het. Ek weet die Grand het al lankal gesneuwel, nogal om n supermark te vergroot. My verblyfplek was net mooi in die middel vd Grand en Die Akker (wat ek bo weg gelaat het) Ek hoor hy bestaan nog. Die doringdraad wat bo-op die balke is daar, was om ons te vehoed om aan ons bene daar te hang soos vlermuise

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  193. @Hilty: Hilty, I will be there.
    Ask Tjoppa to show you where the E.G mammas sits. I will be close to them.

    I find it easier to scream at the linesman when all the focus is on them, screaming their asses off. :oops:

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  194. :twisted: I feel for all you Noord Gautengers on the 10 May when you have to choose between the Tuks finals at University of Pretoria and Affies vs Grey College or Menlopark vs Waterkloof. Westville will also be in town to hopefully wrap up Grogper Cup matters for 2014.

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  195. @beet: The choice is easy my Captain. If you want to watch good rugby, the GCB vs Affies game will be the best bet.
    I suspect Affies will be back. Too much passion and pride. They will bounce back.

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  196. @Pinotage: Seems like it depends on which Affies team pitches up. If its the one that played Selborne and Oakdale, Grey could be in for a very tough 70minutes.

    But I would have to say that I think under the current circumstances for a neutral in the region, it is a very tough choice to make.

    Wishful thinking is SS camera crew at Affies for FNB CC, ETV camera crew at Menlo which makes Tuks an easy choice with PVR helping out with the rest.

    Worst case scenario: Speartackle goes to one of the games you didn’t attend and you hear all about how a particular player was so good he would win the national election if his name was on the ballot paper. :mrgreen:

    Back to GCB vs Affies. Obviously there will be some very good 1st XV and 2nd XV players on display but I’ve heard that at u16 level, Os du Randt son at GCB is something special, so well worth getting to the early grounds to watch him play.

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  197. @valke: My wife just reminded me that its my boys 18th Bday next week so Ill be going down for the Northwood game.
    I will have to catch up with you on the 17th at the Jansies-Kempies game that we spoke about.
    All the best to EG next weekend,its going to be a cracker.

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  198. is Os du Randt’s son a loosehead or tighthead?? would like watching him play…….I was one of his dad’s biggest fans!

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