Rockspider has provided this example of what a Super Schools tournament might look like.
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POOL A |
POOL B |
POOL C |
POOL D |
POOL E |
POOL F |
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Affies |
EG Jansen |
Garsfontein |
Nelspruit |
Waterkloof |
Pretoria BH |
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Grey College |
Noord-Kaap |
Voortrekker (Bethlehem) |
HTS Louis Botha |
Jim Fouche |
Diamantveld |
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Outeniqua |
Oakdale |
Grey PE |
Queens |
Selborne |
St Andrews |
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Monument |
Menlopark |
Jeppe |
Transvalia |
Hentie Cilliers |
Klerksdorp |
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Paarl Gim |
HJS Paarl |
Wynberg BHS |
HTS Drostdy |
Paul Roos |
SACS |
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Kearsney |
Westville |
Glenwood |
Maritzburg College |
DHS |
Hilton |
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FIRST 2 IN EACH POOL GOES TROUGH |
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A1 VS F2 |
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Paarl Gim |
Pretoria BH |
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A2 VS F1 |
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Affies |
St Andrews |
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B1 VS E2 |
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EG Jansen |
Paul Roos |
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B2 VS E1 |
D |
HJS Paarl |
Waterkloof |
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C1 VS D2 |
E |
Garsfontein |
Queens College |
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C2 VS D1 |
F |
Grey PE |
Nelspruit |
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WINNERS THEN PLAY |
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A VS F |
Paarl Gim |
Grey PE |
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B VS E |
Affies |
Queens |
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C VS D |
EG Jansen |
HJS Paarl |
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SEMI |
Paarl Gim |
Affies |
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EG Jansen |
HJS Paarl |
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FINAL |
Paarl Gim |
EG Jansen |
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@Gungets Tuft:If their results on the rugby pitch is anything to go by maybe the author is mistaken. More likely traditionally soccer schools trying their hand at rugby.
Hold on to that Fanta
@ Gungets- not so sure about ” perhaps an average rugby year” for Westville. Although we did not have the big “stars”, this season will go down as one of the best for the character shown.( especially after the premature loss of our captain). It will also be interesting to see if there is a correlation between the soccer rankings and the representation at provincial level. You would assume that the bulk of the team would come from the top 3. Could soccer be more transparent and accountable than rugby? Or do the same issues permeate all sports?
Talking about soccer – as much as I hate rankings, I cannot resist this opportunity to pour some fuel on the flames at 45th Cutting {snigger}
http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/soccer/kwazulu-natal/soccer-the-kzn-top-20-rankings.html
“Having made use of the results played thus far by the KZN teams and entering them into the ranking system it is Westville Boy’s High that are on top of the table having consistently played some enterprising soccer. It is also encouraging to see three ‘traditionally rugby schools’ in Westville, Glenwood and Maritzburg College occupying the top three positions after what was perhaps an average rugby year for those schools.”
{grabbing popcorn and a Fanta … settling back …. }
@star: No, the Harry Gwala stadium is a stadium over the road from College. Seats about 20000, so make sure you invite your mates, only the best esor bru!!.
Don’t know if this is going to work.
https://maps.google.com/?t=h&layer=c&cbll=-3.137768,-60.493357&panoid=1ci-8iBT_UuG1dlrUy1vzg&cbp=12,154.19,,0,-2.8&ie=UTF8&ll=-3.142916,-60.488234&spn=0.081674,0.132093&z=14&source=embed
@ Gungets- we play College soccer this weekend and the venue is listed as Harry Gwala. This might be a stupid question but that is not a campus field is it?
@Gungets Tuft: Sorry – son is Luke.
@All Black: I am with AB on this. I saw a quote a while ago, abuot Journalism, obviously (responding to the Facebook/Twitter journalism – and sort of rubbish journalism trotted out on the internet). Dan Rather (who got cuffed with poor journalism himself – irony) said
“Journalism has become a sort of competitive screeching: what is trivial but noisy and immediate take precedence over important matter that develop over time.”
I think sometimes we could easily say the same about sport and schools. Results this year (pick a year) could easily be considered trivial and noisy when you take into account the mandate of schools (or at least the ones we like to be proud of), to turn out men, and ladies, or repute. Springboks – nice, I like it. But a Blake Flemington (father and son – go ahead, google, especially the son), or a Murray McGibbon, equally important. All schools have these individuals, but I like to think they come from a long standing culture of excellence, where character has been built as much by learning from failure as it has from success. It’s not my theory alone, Keith Richardson said it much better than me.
http://www.supersport.com/rugby/juniors/news/120720/Schoolboy_rugby_deserves_better
I will go and do some work now …
@beet: College will be going to JHB next year and playing in a festival that only has 2 matches. Something that has been identified as sure way to get injuries is the 3 match format.
@Tjoppa: 100% with you on that, winning (as is the case with guns and money I suppose) isn’t bad, people that attempt to aid or achieve it at any cost (usually the weak and feeble that are not the best or winners by natural selection) are.
You play to win and work to get to the top, that’s life and society will judge if you achieved your goals by honorable means or not, allowing us to distinguish between RESPECTED winners/successful people and LESS RESPECTED winners/successful people. Having said that though, FFS don’t coach them to lose, no-one cares about good losers (oxymoron if you ask me) in life and I am certainly tired, in sports and business, of hearing losers whining about giving their best.
@Pedantic: That is why I said teach the kids “how” to win or loose rather than taking away the win or loose.
@Tjoppa: I agree with cultivating a winning culture – but at what cost?
As adults – parents / educators / coaches – do we teach them that a winning sports team is a higher priority than moral or ethical values? In my opinion the latter is a far more important priority to instill in the future of our community.
@Beet: Agreed about the festivals, they should play a CW type model where there is a squad and each boy gets game time..
The guys are so big these days that their bodies take a battering at these festivals…
I also wonder if the current Easter Festival rugby formats need to be reevaluated in terms of safety.
With everyone being big, stronger and faster than every before, is the concept of 3 games in 5 days still a good idea.
It makes for a fantastic event but maybe there should be shorter games or enforced rotation of bigger squads???
I don’t want to speak out of turn here but I do think there is an appetite for knockout combo rugby. This is what we see at senior level all the time – teams playing for trophies. In school hockey, cricket and polo there are knockout style combos. I could be wrong but there isn’t much objection to these KOs
Rugby obviously enjoys a lot higher a profile and takes a lot greater a toll on the body than these other sports and perhaps that’s why there is more sensitivity towards ensuring that kids are playing the sport for the right reasons. The headmaster of Affies mentioned the mindset required for cup compos as one of the reasons Affies bailed out of the Beeld. Not that Affies don’t run on to the field to win or share the emotions that come with the result achieved.
@Pedantic: The current thinking in education to minimise the “winning culture” is only an effort to make the mediocre feel at home.
Unfortunately after school that is everything. Rather teach the kids “how” to win or loose. Because winners and looser will always be part of the community.
@Tjoppa: Haha .. no – that should not be the primary purpose!
Los dit net soos dit is.
Die ranglys gee ons iets om oor te gesels.
Elke streek wenner dink sy span is die beste in die land, en dis goed so.
Elke span wat net op uitnodiging speel dink hy is die beste in die land, en dis ook goed so.
Elke Pick & Pay ( Tjoppa, ek hou van daai een. Gaan hom onthou ) dink hy is die beste in die land, en dis ook goed so.
Die seuns is moeg ! Nie nou meer lus vir rugby nie.
@Pedantic: To win?
@All Black: I’m not convinced that the majority of schools are as obsessed with winning as the public enthusiasts are.
I agree it seems to be spiraling out of control – we need to take a step back and re-evaluate the primary purpose of school rugby.
Perhaps we are losing the plot with schoolboy rugby by being obsessed with winners? Is this not what is causing all the rubbish attached to steroids, poaching of players, 100%bursaries etc? Quite frankly I believe we have lost the plot.
@jakes: Sissie
@ BEET- wonderful idea. Only problem for instance the Beeld trophy. By the time teams get to the final, the top 2 teams have already played such tough and physical games to get to the final, and then the final is a killer in itself. Will the bodies last now to play another 2-3 weeks knock off games against other regions to determine the best in SA. It is a brilliant idea, but too many physical games I think
@beet: The question is also when do these games happen. If it is early in the season Bog’s/Grey’s diesel engine is not warm yet. If it is at the end of the season injuries could deplete the talent of the Pick and pay teams.As with the rankings system the winner of this tournament will never be accepted by all. But I am willing to through some moolas toward such a tournament.
Maybe Group B should be
Winner of game between Shimla-liga and Grey College.
Best team in KZN
Best team in PBHS, KES, Jeppe, Affies inter-schools
Winner of Beeld
That makes it 3 KO games to determine a winner
@Cappie: this is Rockspider’s idea.
I would go about it like this.
GROUP 1 Die Burger trophy
Winner of WP premier league
Best team in Boland
Best team in Eastern Cape
Best team in SWD
GROUP 2
Winner of Shimla-liga
Grey College
Best Gauteng English School
Affies
Winner of Beeld for Macro Schools
Winner of the NuPower
Best school in KZN
Each group plays a knockout to determine 1 winner.
GROUP winners meet in the final.
Games played at neutral venues if possible but definitely not all teams at one venue. More of a regional approach.
Problem is it adds 4 games to the fixture list in most instances
En die wenner is : EG Jansen- dankie dankie dankie. Het geweet hulle moet ten mintens onder top 3 gewees het op die rankings
@Beet gaan jy vir ons sponsors reël om die kinders te vervoer. Onthou al 28 spanne wil saam speel op ‘n dag, en dan is daar nog die hokkie, landloop, skaak, tafeltennis, tennis, koor, jukskei, ens, ens. Dis so 700 seuns wat moet deelneem…
Nietemin, die eerstespan van die skool vorm deel van die skool, en meeste van die groot skole se beleid is om massadeelname te bevorder. Hierdie voorstel van jou is meer professioneel, en hoort in die beroepsera.
Ek stel voor dat gedurende die rugbyweke (Wildeklawer en Maritzburg of Kersney week, of watter een ookal, hulle meer oordeel aan die dag lê om die voorste skole van die vorige jaar wat nie teen mekaar kon speel nie, en ook nie geskeduleer is om in massadeelname teen mekaar te speel in die komende jaar nie, ‘n speelkans teen mekaar te gee. Ek weet Affies en Paul Roos speel darem teen mekaar in die Wildeklawerweek, maar die ander spanne teen wie Affies en ook Grey hierdie jaar gespeel het was maar bra swakkerig.
KES gaan baie kwaad wees vir julle!
Ek stem saam met Noordwes.
Dis so goed jy het hierdie pools by World Cup:
A: NZ, SA, ENG, AUS, FRA
B: ARG, WAL, IRE, SCO, SAM
C: ITA, USA, JAP, FIJI, CAN
Maak geensins sin.
Pool A het te veel sterk skole.Kan hulle eerder top skole maak in elk van die pools.