Along with the recently update formula that drives the BHP rankings comes a recalculation of who the Top 30 schools in SA have been since 2009 (including the present season 5 of 2013 ).
The rankings confirm that the organisers of Wildeklawer are pretty much on the ball when it comes to inviting the cream of the crop to attend the annual showpiece which will be held from 02 – 04 May at Maritzburg College in Pietermaritzburg this year.
SA Top 30 Rugby Schools 2009 – April 2013
(Teams highlighted in yellow will be attending Wildeklawer 2013).
| Rank | Team | Win Ratio | Avg |
| 1 | Grey College | 91.14% | 3.76 |
| 2 | HJS Paarl | 84.27% | 3.21 |
| 3 | AHS (Affies) | 82.09% | 3.07 |
| 4 | Paarl Gim | 71.95% | 2.91 |
| 5 | Waterkloof | 81.01% | 2.70 |
| 6 | Paul Roos | 62.50% | 2.54 |
| 7 | Noord-Kaap | 89.06% | 2.50 |
| 8 | Monument | 76.32% | 2.49 |
| 9 | Outeniqua | 70.89% | 2.38 |
| 10 | Glenwood | 63.64% | 2.19 |
| 11 | KES | 78.13% | 2.18 |
| 12 | Grey PE | 64.29% | 2.04 |
| 13 | St Andrews | 67.14% | 1.99 |
| 14 | Selborne | 61.19% | 1.91 |
| 15 | Westville BHS | 64.29% | 1.90 |
| 16 | Boland Landbou | 59.09% | 1.89 |
| 17 | HTS Drostdy | 66.67% | 1.88 |
| 18 | Bishops | 56.47% | 1.87 |
| 19 | Oakdale | 60.00% | 1.86 |
| 20 | Maritzburg College | 47.54% | 1.80 |
| 21 | Kearsney | 69.84% | 1.77 |
| 22 | Rondebosch | 48.05% | 1.72 |
| 23 | EG Jansen | 57.97% | 1.71 |
| 24 | Framesby | 57.75% | 1.68 |
| 25 | Garsfontein | 74.19% | 1.68 |
| 26 | Dale College | 60.32% | 1.65 |
| 27 | Florida | 55.36% | 1.64 |
| 28 | Diamantveld | 57.81% | 1.63 |
| 29 | Tygerberg | 62.50% | 1.61 |
| 30 | Michaelhouse | 58.00% | 1.60 |
@Vleis: Vleis Affies se O/15 ‘s het Jeppe van die begin van wedstryd gedomineer. Jeppe se spelers het foute onder druk gemaak. Hulle frustrasie op die skeidsregter begin uithaal. Hulle ook met vuil spel die opposisie probeer ontwrig. Wedstryd net voor einde gestop toe n Jeppe speler n Affie speler met n oorhoofse regter plat geslaan het. Absolute steel hou voor skeidsregter. Affie seun met hande langs sye toe die hou hom tref.
Die ergste was die groep se ouers se optrede. Van die afskop die skeidsregter snedige aanmerkings toegesnou (skeidsregter het buiten dat hy nie die spelers beskerm het teen vuil spel, n skaflike vertoning gelewer). Na die wedstryd het die skeidsregter verby die ouers gestap. Almal het opgespring en hom woorde toegesnou. Ondermeer “cheater”. Jeppe se prinsipaal het daarna oorgestap en aan die ouers genoem dat hulle gedrag onaanvaarbaar was.
As ek dit reg het is dit dieselfde groep kinders wat in 2012 deur Paarl BH weggejaag is weens swak gedrag. Twee van hulle spelers ook laasjaar met rooikaarte teen Affies van die veld gestuur.
Die span was op die dag se spel ook glad nie goed nie. Volgens my sal hulle teen die meeste groot Beeld trofee skole pak kry.
Gim het ‘n opkomende Springbok in nr7 Jacques Vermeulen. Yslike wedstryd gehad. Verder het 5, 8, 9 en 12 my ook baie beindruk. Top-klas span hierdie van gim, kan nie sien hoe hulle geklop gaan word nie, welgedaan manne!
DHS U16A. Beat Westville 11-3
@Woltrui: That is not good to hear. Can you elaborate with a few more details. Dankie man!
@jakkie: Man, ek staan onder geen verpligting om aan jou n verduideliking te gee en allermins om myself te regverdig nie. Dit traak my ook min wat jy dink oor waar ek op skool was(maar dit was beslis GCB) Met elke kommentaar wat jy maak, kan jy eenvoudig nie jou sarkasme beteul nie, maar voel verplig en geregverdig om n morele uitspraak oor my te maak. En alles het sy oorsprong by my uitspraak oor die Cherries. Di my reg -net soos dit jou reg is om vir Outeniqua op te staan. Maar ek sal my daarvan weerhou om persoonlik te raak.
EG wen MONNAS 32 – 18.
NELLIES KEMPIES 17 – 17. HALFTYD
@jakkie: Jakkie, having watched the game, the difference definitely seemed to be Human. Grey ran an over weight pack ragged, but couldn’t contain the mercurial play of the fly half. For a team with no exceptionally tall or heavy players, Grey were great and the game could have gone either way, or even a 15 point margin.
@BOG: Seker reg maar op my karige pensioen is dit verniet en die ou tannie dink ek is tegnologies cool.
@BOG: ek dink ek het nogal myself duidelik uitgedruk, vind dit amuserend dat jy dit nie optel nie. My punt: op die dag tel geskiedenis nie veel nie, dis lekker om te se dat met julle moerse geskiedenis en al kon julle nogsteeds nie die scoreboard verander van 22-20 nie. En hoekom verwys jy heeltyd na die “oorsiggie”? Ek dog dan Grey manne kan wen en verloor met waardigheid? Vind dit ook snaaks dat jy dink kwaggas het die game in die laaste 10 minute gewen? Sal bietjie moet uitvind of die ouens eers die laaste 10 minute op die veld gedraf het en of hulle n vol game gespeel het! Ek weet Human is af met geelkaart vir 10 minute, miskien bedoel jy dat ons die game in daai 10 minute gewen het, met net 14 man? haai kan dit wees? dis dan die magtige Grey met die groot geskiedenis? ongelukkig het geskiedenis te min getel op daardie dag en kwaggas het met karakter en uitstekende rugby bietjie julle geskiedenisboeke deurmekaargekrap. Ek was nog altyd n groot Grey ondersteuner, ek kon met groot respek julle bewonder, maar jou arrogansie en onvermoe om n verloor te vat stel my teleur. Laat my wonder of jy werklik n Grey man is?
DHS U15A lost 12-6 to Westvilkle
@Tjoppa: BBM? Ek neem aan di Blackberry. My kinders in die buiteland, met n liberale dosis van snobisme, se dit is nog net Suid Afrikaners en dogtertjies onder 7 wie BBs gebruik. Ek het maar hulle advies gevolg. Wat hulle egter se, maak sin. Die waarde van BB se aandele het van $70 Biljoen geval na minder as $10 Bilj
DHS U14A beat. Westville 25-07
@Vleis. 0/15. Affies 20 Jeppe 5. Wat n teleurstelling. Jeppe die mees ongedisiplineerde span. Ouers nog erger. Klomp “spanners”. Gelukkig die prinsipaal die ouers kom aanspreek na die wedstryd.
@BOG: Lyk my jy is ook eensaam BBM my dan kan ons bietjie gesels
@Tjoppa: Dit lyk vir my of daar wydverspreide verwarring onder julle klompie is. Jou speelmaters wil die geskiedenis heeltemal wegvee terwyl jy dit weer wil oorbeklemtoon. ??? Ek het mos gese dat op die dag het Kwaggas met 2 punte gewen- di n onbetwisbare realiteit ( tsv die “oorsiggie”) As jy dit nie verstaan nie, kry iemand om vir jou te help met wat ek hierbo gese het. Wat ek OOK gese het, is dat slegs die geskiedenis sal toon watter vd twee spanne die meeste sal bydra tot die groep wat top rugby gaan speel, en in my (beskeie) opinie, is dit GCB. Ek is terloops geregtig op n opinie. Versta djy?
@BOG: Die doel van telling hou by rugby is om die wenners/beste span te bepaal. My *%*() annvaar dit tog julle het verloor. Klaar uit en gedaan. En Boggie hoe ouer mens word hou belangriker raak die geskiedenis vir jou want dit is al wat jy het om oor lekker te kry. Die jong mense lewe egter vir nou. Nou soos die Kwaggas is beter as Grey. Versta jy
@HORSEFLY NO.1: They should all be checked as a matter off course, not “found out”. There is an agreed process which does not include badly photocopied ID documents, or giving the kid an opportunity to sort through three different IDs to find the appropriate one (the others used for getting in to clubs and for when the parents claim the child grants). If the schools are serious then it will be done.
Agree on rumours, like the one just started for GWP. :-)
@Gungets Tuft:
Yeah I’m definitely not ruling out and having over-age boys would really be bad for School but I would rather rumours not be started. If they are over-age they will be found out and dealt with severely.
Glenwood Prep boys honestly need to be checked though
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Don’t write off the age debate too easily either. Kids from some parts of the country do not have a great history of being above board. The very last thing School want or need is to have the start of their recovery overshadowed by another age related uproar. Already strong indications of a cover up this year, seems to indicate that some agents or recruiters are still playing games. Google Sisyphus ….
@jakkie: Behalwe vir n paar sinne waarvan die sarkasme behoorlik drup, het jy absoluut niks gese nie. Ek herhaal. Ek vermei niks- ook nie die deurgaande hoe standaarde wat deur die Cherries gehandhaaf word nie. Maar julle het mos n “oplossing” Skakel die geskiedenis uit- ignoreer dit.Elke 5-7 jaar het julle n “high” en dan weer n “stilte” vir n paar jaar. Die Kwaggas het op die dag vir GCB gewen met 2 punte in die laaste 10 minute. So? Beteken dit dat hulle “beter” is” Nie noodwendig nie. Ek dink dat die spanne baie gelyk was op die dag en verby dit, dink ek, is GCB n beter span, en mi sal die prestasies van individuele spelers ppr die volgende paar jaar dit bewys. Maar natuurlik, di maar net my (beskeie) opinie. Hoe lyk julle geskiedenis? O ja, jy het dit “uitgevee”.
@BOG: ek verwys nie na die gesprek tussen jou en die ander man oor history en jou skool se pragtige geskiedenis nie. Dis regtigwaar ‘ n besonderse sprokiesverhaal hoe jou skool so pragtig deur die jare presteer. Dis wraggies ‘n ongelooflike rekord. Daar is nie n enkele skool in SA wat so goed presteer het deur die jare nie. Baie geluk ou Bog. Okay, skrik gougou wakker in die realiteit van die 2013 seisoen, waaroor ook 99% van die ander bloggers oor gesels en interaksie oor het. Is jy nou by? Kwaggas het Grey gewen ou maat. Grey het verloor. Grey is nie onoorwonne die jaar nie. Kwaggas is beter as Grey in 2013. Wat ek wel oor gevra het, is hoekom reageer jy nie op die manne se stelling dat cherries nie so cool is soos jy almal wil propogeer nie?
@rugbyfan: I wouldn’t be that indignant bru. Last year College had 1 point losses to numbers 6 and 12, beat #15, drew twice against #10. This year drew against #7 and beat #12. Also beat #18 last year.
Its not the win % alone, its the quality of the opposition. If you spend your life playing minnows you can win 100% and still be useless.
@rugbyfan: I think this is boishaai’s formula based on results and strength of opposition, I think in 2009 or 2010 Glenwood were 2nd after Grey gave them a klap in Bloem, so that 2nd combined with a few in the lower teens would put them about 10th overall….
@Westers: Eeisch .. someone whispered in my ear about it today. Going to cause some consternation all round if it is true.
@star: Have you had definite confirmation of Kearsney suspending a boy because of “juicing” or is it still just rumour?
@rugbyfan: Careful now, there are people here who say that “history means nothing” – as illogical as that may sound. But yes, with a winning ratio of more than 95% over their entire history, I have no doubt which school will head that list.
@greenblooded @grasshopper
I don’t know if they’ve made up the gap. I think the DHS boys will prove themselves against Westville this weekend. Understand that even the Glenwood U14A last year drew @college after winning very convinsingly at Glenwood.
As for the U14A DHS team, please man…give praise where its due. The Glenwood U14 team is also pretty large but nobody says anything…
@rugbyfan: Ye maybe a April fools joke GCB should just make spot 30
Good thing about this is if you did it for each decade going back 10 decades Grey Bloem would be number 1 in at least 7 of them.
I did this one before to see who was the best over the period 1930 – 2010 and Grey were far ahead.
Shows you who who in the Zoo will post it again if anybody is interested.
And KES play who exactly to be No 11 this must have done on the 1st April 2013 i am sure lekker April fool.
And MC at No 20 with a 48% win ratio is that some kind of Joke.
@BOG: You can see a Glenwood boy had something to do with drawing this up how on earth they land up at 10 that is higher than any finish they have managed over the same years in this period.
@jakkie: @bhkgpa: Ek vermei absoluut niks nie. Julle ontken die belangrikheid van geskiedenis. Di oa wat gebruik word by die bepaling van “ranglyste” waarin julle julself nou, ook hier, self verlustig en inlewe. Die geskiedenis is ook die mees betroubaarste aanduiding van die toekoms. Dit wys dat sommige skole nou en dan n goeie span het terwyl in ander gevalle, daar skole is wat deurgaans presteer, nie noodwendig nommer een nie, maar in n “swak” jaar steeds in die top 5 sal wees. Ek is seker julle kan aan voorbeelde in beide katagoriee dink.
@All Black: Having said that – some very large gentlemen in the DHS team as you say. Hopefully all is in order on the age thing – I understand that a recent tragedy revealed yet another DHS player was playing a year below his age band which makes one wonder how seriously / thoroughly the audit process on age is being handled.
@All Black: Hope you are correct about the U14A. It’s not just the loss but the quality of the loss that was disappointing. Boys seem to throw in the towel when they are up against a strong team – saw it against Menlo Park – tackling goes out the window and the heart is just not there. Not typical of the College never-say-die attitude I’ve seen for years and years.
@star: Yup – in both cases it’s a question of depth. Buying a flash A side is not always the answer to everything.
@ Horsy- the U14As will have a tough game for sure. They do have some talented players though so might be able to avoid the 50-something.
Grassy is right in a way. It is how these teams progress through the ranks to the ultimate pinnacle that will determine the success of otherwise of the school. There is no point having a great U14A that fades away as seems to have happened to your current U16As.
@ Westers- that is very exciting but he will not be the only boy putting up his hand for higher honors. I have had this depth argument before.. When NW U14A beat Westville for the first time in decades there were tears on the Westville side and joy in the NW camp. I quitely pointed to the results of the B and C teams. 3 years later Westville has been able to draw on that depth to add to the inherent potential to form a very competent unit that can withstand injury or loss of form to players. NW on the other hand seem to have fallen by the wayside to a certain degree.
@All Black: Agreed. DHS needs to work on what the 12-13 do to compliment the play of their #10 coz that looks like their best attacking nucleus. DHS #10 reminds me of Zeilinga for Glenwood in 2011. Always busy and looking to make something happen but not quite having players outside him on the same visionary wavelength.
Hmmm. Have to say I thought College U15A did enough to win but didnt take their chances. They will learn. Not too worried about U14A score as we all know the growth patterns of boys and the other teams will catch up with big boys in the DHS team. Genearlly a good afternoon of rugby, crosscountry, hockey and squash at M.College. Was a hive of activity. 1st team had a good first half but got disrupted in 2nd half when all 7 reserves were put on the field. 44 boys were given game time in the 1st and 2nd teams. Thought the DHS 10 was a class above the rest of his team and was always trying something.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: horsie, you love the terms would and could, they didn’t. Just accept College have caught up and played well.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Home ground advantage?? Or a team that has improved significantly? Please mate.
@Grasshopper:
I don’t know hey. Depends on the person. While I agree that the majority think like that, I don’t. If I see the Paul Roos results I see a very,very successful day for Paul Roos,not a failure.
Also, interesting that both U15A and U15B sides drew against College. Just shows what home ground advantage can do for you. I’m pretty sure that if played at DHS we wouldve won both games so well done to College for earning draws there
@HORSEFLY NO.1: whilst I love your passion for under14 surely your interest is growing up and moving up the age groups. I know 1st team is not the be all and end all but it is the pinnacle of a kids high school career and those are the results that old boys care about. That is why it doesn’t matter if every side wins if the 1st team loses it ruins the day, ask Paul Roos. They won every game at Grey PE except the one that counts. Seems for DHS a very competitive 1st team is still 2 to 3 years away.
@star
Yes I did think it would be much,much closer but the College side must’ve improved a lot plus with the loss of so many players the DHS side has come to rely on a couple of players for some go forward so if they were shut down the game is effectively over. Very good win for College there.
If I’m not mistaken the Westville U14A team is of similar strength to College and since they’ll be playing at DHS against a DHS team that’s finally got some game time do you think a 50-something score is on the cards
@BOG: ek sien jy kan nie juis praat nie, jou woorde ook maar verkeerd, maar gelukkig gaan dit nie hier oor die spel van woorde nie maar die spel,met die bal, ek wag nog vir die antwoord oor jou cherries
@jakkie: ja hy kon nie n formule kry om die teendeel te bewys nie
@Grasshopper: Agreed. He was injured in pre-season. At that time he may have been first choice but the other guys took the opportunity and haven’t let the side down. I would support your logic but the strange thing is, when he comes on as a sub he makes an impact. Maybe the sight of a prop 20kgs heavier than the one going off demoralises the opposition front row.
@Westers: you watch the games so know who is best, but at this level having a 128kg beast of a prop can give a team a psychogical advantage. Play him for 60 and bring on the quicker impact props….he can then grind the opposition down in the tight. Also a great base for lineout lifting…
@Grasshopper: Jackson has struggled to make the side this year. Came on as a sub last week. Westville got a penalty and he had it reversed for giving the ref lip. Was really stupid and allowed PBHS to get within 5 points with time still to play. He would have been a real villian if PBHS had won the game. I think Osborne and Majola deserve their places ahead of him.
@Engelsman: real pity, thought Jackson was pretty good and swung an evenly poised game against Framesby to an easy Westville win. The Westville scrum started to dominate as soon as he came on. Maybe he does not offer enough in the loose, would need to see him play more. He certainly has the size and physique to do well…
@star: To add further to your earlier comment about last years U16’s, there is a kid playing centre in the 3rds who I think was full back in last years U16B’s. IMO he is a talent to be looked at, is tall, well built and not frightened to attack the gain line. He came on as a sub in first half for the 2nds up in Richards Bay and made several telling breaks. I think he should have kept his place last week on that performance but didn’t. He will make a good fly half in the future.
@Grasshopper: Props Osborne and Majola.
@Engelsman: is Matt Jackson still in the side?
@Westers: MC Hardy has taken over as captain i believe
@BOG: vermei jy die punt wat @bhkgpa gemaak re die ‘magtige’ cherries van jou?
@Engelsman: Do you know who will captain the side this week with Andre out?
@Engelsman: Thanks for the info.
@Westers: the grade 11 boys are scrumhalf and now both locks.
@Westers: Scrumhalf and both locks are grade 11
@bhkgpa: Wat ek nou opgetel het, is dat “history tel niks” Het jy daardie bietjie wysheid uit n Wysbegeerte voorgeskrewe boek van Unitra gekry? Ons word dus elke oggemd ast ware as pasgebore babas wakker. Jy klimk redelik opgewonde oor die “ranglyste” , maar hoe dink jy dit is bepaal sonde die inagneming van geskiedenis?
@bhkgpa: Dit wil voorkom asof jy drie maal dieselfde ding probeer se het, maar dit het net al onduideliker geword. Vertaal dit vir my asseblief in Afr, Eng, Portugees, Duits of Frans en ek sal dit dan weer lees. Jy klink amper soos Tandem se man of kerel.
@ Horsy- and the U16A . That scoreline is scary. You thought it would be a lot closer.
Well these DHS teams have had very little game time and that obviously worked against them. DHS 1st were 26-0 down in no time and were quite rusty. I firmly believe 15A wouldve won had they had as much game time but then again College 15A arento no slouchh. They did beat Westville and also dre with glenwood last year.
As for 14A, yeah a. Good score but had they not been rusty that too couldve turned really ugly for College. They are lucky with 40-18. Also, remember th this is away for DHS and they had no support there
DHS and Glenwood U14A are streets ahead of everyone else
@BOG: history tel niks, die bokke het ook al die World Cup gewen maar dit maak hulle nie nou die beste nie
@BOG: history tel niks, die bokse het ook al die World Cup gewen maar dit maak hulle nie nou die beste nie
@BOG: as ek na die laaste 5 jr se uitslae kyk dan het paarlboyshigh se 2des slegs 1 keer verloor teen cherries so ek dink nie jou op eroding verdien eers kommentaar nie
Score now 38-11
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Apart from the u16A result, those scores are very good considering how little match practice DHS has had and given that the games were away from home. Looks good for the future if those squads can be maintained – especially the u14A. That is an unbelievable score. What happened there?
@ Horsy- the 2 wins I predicted for DHS were the U14A and U15A( what happened there). Also the U16A result is somewhat unexpected.
Results:
2nd- College won 19-3
16A- College won 60-3
U15A- College drew 14-14
U14A- College lost 18-40
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Do you have any scores from the early games?
@star: I have not seen the side for this week yet. What positions are the 3 G11’s playing in?
College dominating DHS. Leading 19-0 now
@star: I have heard that several Westville boys have been tested this year and none have been positive (I nearly said none have been caught).
@Vleis: My son is in G11 and I ask him at the start of each term if there are any new boys. There is one guy on “exchange” who is here for the full year who is playing in the 3rds (I think). I know of one kid who came back at the end of G10 (on bursary) having left at the end of G8. The Kearsney boys that have arrived are not on bursary that I am aware of.
@ Grassy-would be great if that were to happen. Things seem to moving in that direction with Westville now playing both PBHS and KES . I think GW would also have a good fit with those two schools. Just received an SMS that Kearsney has suspended one of their stars for” Juicing” I do not think we have heard the end of this as the testing I believe is going to start soon. All schools will come under the micro scope which is long overdue.
@Westers: KES and Jeppe used to do exactly that on the May Day weekend against DHS and Northlands/Wood. One year KES and Jeppe toured, the next year they stayed at home. The fixture has fallen away now for well documented reasons but worked at the time
@ Vleis- Boys do arrive after grade 10 but I am not sure that they are specifically purhased. I think this is common amongst the big 3 local schools. I am surprized however that a few Kearsney boys have appeared at Westville from Grade 10 in both rugby and cricket.
With regard to Greenside there was no match with Westville in 1983/4
@star: I thought of the Lions/sharks Schools cup a few years back, suggested exactly what is being discussed here. I could maybe get my company to sponsor it…
@star: That’s interesting – can only mean good things for the future of Westville. Out of interest, does Westville ‘acquire’ any boys after grade 10 – I would guess not? Finally, you may not have seen my question on a separate blog, but what was the score between Westville and Greenside (from Jhb) in about 1983?
I nominate Greenblooded and Westers to be foundation members of the fixtures committee
@ Westers- I find it very interesting that of the 3 grade 11s playing Ists this weekend only one is from the highly successful U16 A team from last year. It just shows the value of depth and that a lot of boys can have hope if properly identified and managed.I read a piece from the master in charge of rugby last year that said that some boys in the unbeaten U16C and Ds had been identified for higher honors. This (besides game time) is very important for the required motivation of the boys.
@GreenBlooded: I even think the Grogper fixture co-ordinators should look at double headers to save travel costs and facilitate more games. 1 May next year falls on a Thursday. So as an example, Wesville could travel to Gauteng and play KES on 1 May and PBHS on 3 May. College could travel at the same time and play the same fixtures in reverse – so no team is at a disadvantage of having played two days before. In order to get Glenwood into the mix you could add a side like Jeppe into the schedule with each school playing 2 of the opposition province teams.
Then get really clever and arrange return fixtures (2 games) in KZN around 16 June where there is another public holiday.
Just some food for thought.
@GreenBlooded: I think you are spot on with this suggestion. It just needs someone to sit down and coordinate the whole thing. The schools should appoint a small committee (max 3 people) to put forward a proposal. They simply need to take the traditional fixtures into account and then work around it. There might need to be a bit of give and take from all schools to facilitate this but I think all the traditional fixtures could easily be accomodated.
From what I hear, there are U14 – U16 fixtures as part of the Wildeklawer festival but I can find no information on any websites etc. I think this may be the best kept (or only) rugby secret in KZN. Anyone know anything?
Apparently GW U16 is playing on Thursday and Saturday.
@GreenBlooded: That could be interesting but will probably then be classified as a waste of time. From what I hear, Voortrekker comfortably beat Hillcrest playing equal teams. However, I wouldn’t mind seeing Glenwood playing some of the Outer West Schools.
How does this exactly work if i do Queens for this period i get a win ratio of 61.03% and a average of 1,71 so please enlighten me.
@Greenblooded Last time i checked College are playing Paul Roos and Framesby at Wildeklawer.
@Westers: The bigger schools should consider pairing the smaller Tier 1 fixtures with a Tier 2 school as staggers. For Glenwood we could play Hilton / Thomas More, Kearsney / Hillcrest, DHS / Kloof, Northwood / Pinetown for example. The whole fixture list needs to be re-looked at.
@GreenBlooded: Hilton website shows they play down to a D team in all lower ages and have 8 open age teams. So maybe 11 May wont be so bad. If I recall last year Westville had some close games in the lower teams against Hilton.
@Roger: The fixture has been confirmed for the 11th May. I’m sure it’s going to be a cracker as always.
@Nemo: Kom ons sê eerder net beide Riversdal en Worcester is maar albei taai plekke om te speel, soos wat Drostdy se merkwaardige tuisrekord ook getuig……. Stem saam met jou opsommimg van Drostdy, het hulle teen Stellenberg sien speel en die pak is goed (7 en 8 staan uit), maar agter is dit dun gesaai. Oakdale het glo ‘n relatiewe jong span hierdie jaar, en met hulle sterk o/16 groep lyk dit goed vir die volgende jaar of wat. Al wat ek verseker weet is dat Boland se westryde teen hierdie twee hard soos altyd gaan wees.
@GreenBlooded: We are at KES so cannot suggest that. Not much good playing College as that would be 3 fixtures in the season. So not much option i am afraid. It needs some planning well ahead of time.
The M.College teams have and will have had quite a bit of rugby by next weekend.
@Westers: And the week after Wildeklawer Glenwood plays Hilton which will also probably only involve the A’s, B’s and maybe C’s. Who do you suggest that we play on the 4th of May?? College are also not playing on the Wildeklawer weekend.
@GreenBlooded: Just seen the Westville provisional fixtures for Saturday. Only shows U16C’s and E’s and U15F’s playing College. 3 open age group teams have a bye and 3 U14 teams have a bye.
Interesting that DHS have 5 teams in U15 and only 3 in U14. I thought it might be the other way around. Lots of work to do. I hope the new head makes a difference.
@Grasshopper: & other Glenwood supporters: Many boys missed out last week because of rain, no games this weekend and only the elite playing at Wildeklawer, what about the rest of your rugby playing boys? Are they going to get any game time this term? Are there games arranged for 4 May when the 1sts are at Wildeklawer?
@Roger:
@Vleis: a man needs a break now and then to freshen up! Onward and upward – c’mon the REDS!
@BuiteBreek: Tygerberg vs Bellville, Ons borg Bellville se 0/16a’s. ‘n Groep seuns wat puik gedoen het deur die ouderdomsgroepe, met twee stewige stutte en ‘n woelige heelagter wat uitstaan. Met die verpligtinge oral (ook medeborg van HMS Paarl se 0/13 netbal/hokkie/tennis en die TS rugbyfees) moet ek my seisoen mooi beplan, so hierdie jaar is daar 10 Landbou games, 5 Stellenberg games en 3 Bellville games. Ten minste sien ek ‘n groter verskeidenheid skole en spelers as meeste, so kannie kla nie
@JeppeRugbyFan: what’s the date – will be a great game I think (hope and pray) – 4 in 13 – getting better!!
@GreenBlooded: Quite correct Matric Dance on Friday and Grade 11 dance on Saturday
@GreenBlooded: also preparing for two huge games at Wildeklawer vs Boland Landbou and Boishaai, if we can win one that would be great! Wish I could go to the fest…
@Westers: It seems like Glenwood are taking a break this weekend – using the public holiday for it’s intended purpose. Probably a good idea since it is the Matric Dance on Friday night.
@Grasshopper: Saw that. Looks like Westville and College will square-up their lower teams at College to take up the slack left by DHS and Northwood. Good on them for organising fixtures for their lower teams.
As for me – I’m on duty elsewhere on Saturday unfortunately. There are a heap of candidate refs at College – ideal opportunity to get some match experience.
@GreenBlooded: college looking for refs for Saturday, throw your name in the hat!
@Nemo: Oor skeidsregters spreek ek my nie graag uit nie. Dink dis ‘n ondankbare, aaklike werk. Het al in die verlede die stelling gemaak, dat die skole nie die skeidsregters aanwys nie, maar dat dit wel gedoen word deur die unie waarin die wedstryd plaasvind.
Nuff said.
@Ploegskaar, @ Buitebreek : ek het ook die geleentheid gehad om die Oakdale vs Drostdy wedstryd te kyk. Was toevallig in gemengde geselskap wat bestaan het uit ondersteuners (ouers en oudleerlinge) van beide skole. Wat my betref was die skeidsregter nie op standaard en verskeie persone het gereken hy was baie partydig en onbevoeg…… maar kom ons laat dit daar. Daar was wel na halftyd vir die kapteins gevra waaroor kla die afrigters wat hy verkeerd blaas. Hy het ook erken dat hy gedink het oor sekere beslissings en dalk verkeerd was (?) Dit is jammer dat sulke wedstryde ontsier word deur so iets. Dit het duidelik gely tot baie groot frustrasie onder spelers wat wou handuit ruk. Oakdale het ‘n goeie gebalanseerde span. Drostdy is hierdie jaar nie so goed nie – agterlangs baie lig en onervare. Liebenberg (agsteman en kaptein) is basies die enigste uitblinker en het baie talent (glo hy sal nog ver kom) maar gevolglik word hy in elke wedstryd deur die hele span geteiken. In Oakdale se geval was dit baie opsigtelik en selfs negatief (wat deur die skeidsregter ‘misgekyk’ is). Ek sal Oakdale resultate met verwagting dophou as hul wegwedstryde speel.
@Westers: Not sure if they do or not. I wrote all their fixtures on my calendar at the start of the season and dont have anything for them this weekend.
@Ploeg: Tygerberg vs Bellville? of Stellenberg?
@Tjoppa: Glo nie, behalwe as sy ook rugby by Tygerberg gaan kyk.
@GreenBlooded: Why do Glenwood not have fixtures this weekend?
@GreenBlooded: Now that’s a great idea. Pity you and I don’t have much influence in these matters. Maybe somebody will read your comment.
@Westers: Why not. We play anyone, not scared to the extent that we pick and chose fixtures for purposes other than game time.
@Roger: For a man that has been in hiding since the Trinity result, you’ve sure come out fighting now. Obviously the rest has done wonders for your confidence!!
Hopefully KES surprise us.
@JeppeRugbyFan: I’ll call you if I get to attend the game.
@GreenBlooded: I am sure Bwana Amanzi has been on to them. It would be ideal, that way the rugby players and boarders are all in Durban. Last year the DHS fixture was a horses glute. We had buses heading for Treverton, Greytown, St Charles and others. Then the bus from Greytown, designated as the Supporters bus to Durban, broke down. We had about 50 kids at College – boarders – who were stuck, their parents expecting to pick them up at DHS, all at College. My lightie was playing hockey at College, I had to fill up the bakkie, had 8-up to Durban to get as many boys down as possible.
The downside is that it waters down the College on-the-day support base, only 14 x 15 plus about 6 x 11 supporters, against the 600 – 800 boys that Northwood raise, doubles the home support. So – yep, Glenwood games a distinct possibility, will get another 12 rugby and possibly 6 hockey teams down.
@Roger: And this year will be number 4. You can run but you can’t hide. From what I understand the date has already been agreed. The schools are just waiting to confirm whether the game will be televised or not before the announcement is made.
@Roger: yeah, wannabes that started playing the game 20 years before KES even started ;-)
@Westers: Here’s an idea – why doesn’t Westville and Glenwood play their teams that are not committed this weekend? Might be a good ice-breaker.
@Grasshopper: Wannabes – Glenwood and Man City
@Roger: yeah, we in the league above, premiership top 10, KES is in the championship 10 to 20 ;-)
@Grasshopper: Never – not in our league
@Gungets Tuft: Hopefully he phones Westville. We are playing DHS with maybe only 13 fixtures. Still to be confirmed.
@Vleis: Jeppe – pffff. 3 wins in 12 years – and lot of catching up to do – less than 30 wins in 80 years. Great to see them back and bad though. Not too sure about the cancelled fixture though – the last time they beat Kes at Kes was 1992.
@Ploegskaar: Sy vrou??
@Gungets Tuft: Glenwood don’t seem to have a major fixture this weekend – don’t have anything on my calendar for them. They are only a phone call away……….
Northwood – eish, surely there are a lot more rugby stars in non-rugby playing countries that can be imported?
@Vleis: If you do manage to get to the game tomorrow night, you are welcome to get my contact details from beet and get in touch as I will also be there.
A little birdy tells me that Northwood will only be able to provide 14 rugby fixtures this weekend. Sounds like 3 in each age division and 5 open. Looks like Bwana Amanzi is going to turn Telkom copper red hot again this week. Northwood need to upgrade to a higher scale medical aid plan.
@Tandem: If you have not yet realized that much of what is said, is said in a light hearted manner, you will never realize it. People do not “need to track me down” certainly not in Bloemfontein, as you have suggested.I have not lived there for many years. I never miss a noggin and my friends know who I am. And although you have not asked me for my advice, I am merely reciprocating- keep it for yourself! And its precisely my education for which I am thankful, which is preventing me from responding more severely.
Good to see Glenwood, Westville and Maritzburg College in the top 20, showing they are not flash in the pans. Also shows the schools in KZN with the most depth featuring. Glenwood top 10, just shows they are playing against quality sides. Roger my friend, also shows why Glenwood should be playing KES ;-)
@Vleis: Yep, it was me who mentioned Basher Downs, tragic story that. My uncle is quite shocked!
@BuiteBreek: Gaan Saterdag so bietjie by die een in jou agterkop rugby kyk.
@BOG: I have always admired Grey College , what a great school and what a great history . The contribution Grey College has made to our country by producing so many brilliant well balanced young men can never be forgotten . I therefore have to say I am really finding it difficult to believe that you are a representative of that great school Bog . The Grey old boys I know are obviously proud of their school but never so blatently disrespectful of others . Clearly you have never been tought that you can be fanatical about your school without being rude to others who are just as proud of their schools ? I think if Mr Volsteedt track you down in Bloemfontein he will give you a good clip behind your ears . He will not be proud of you , that I know !
Sorry to hear about Basher Downs. Grassy was talking about him – I think his uncle played with him at DHS.
@Roger: In my days, a few co-ed schools gave KES a torrid time (especially in the forwards) every year – not just one in ten. We may have lost, but the games were tight…and that was in KES’s best ever decade.
It seems like Jeppe has been pruning the “tall KES tree” recently. Lucky the game was cancelled on Sat, or you may have been left with a stump.
Hopefully, KES will put up a good show tomorrow. I’m not a twitterer, so no tweets from me I’m afraid.
@star: And a renowned architect – just been looking at some of his work. Who said props were dumb??
@ Roger- he was a DHS old boy and Natal rugby prop. Family also good waterpolo players. I think the nephew who is at Clifton is a SA schools player.
@GreenBlooded: where was he at School – someone was talking about him on th blog recently? Think it may have been Meadows – was he a Michaelhouse Old boy
@Roger: I knew that he had been assaulted – didn’t know he had died. Hells teeth, move from South Africa to the US and die violently (ok, after many years, but still). Terribly sad.
@Roger: Been in the papers here in Durbs.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Graham-Downes-San-Diego-Bankers-Hill-Architect-Juniper-Street-204084821.html
@Gungets Tuft: who was talking about Graham “Basher” Downs on the blog recently? KZN prop in the eighties. I see he was beaten to death in San Diego while trying to intervene in a fight between his employees? Tragic
@Roger: Was definitely 97 though. I was in Std 6 and watched the game at KES. I remember being so surprised the week before with how confident the Reds players were at warcry practice. I thought that because they were playing Affies the guys would be shitting themselves, cos I definitely was for our u/14 game. But when I saw the Reds players beaming with confidence I knew I had come to the right place.
@Kes Dutchie: think that game was 1998 – Joe’s year – the Affies coach said afterward that the better team lost. Easy to say that when you have won!
Affies are generally very good sportsmen though – win or lose. I like their headmaster – takes no sh#t – is not interested in playing winner takes all comps like Beeeld and Nu-Power and is a traditionalist
@Woltrui: why – are you too “traditional”
@Roger: Not sure about 98. I know in 97 we lead by 3 or so points with time being done on the clock. Affies then charged down a kick to win the game. Heartbreaking. We have had some hard luck against Affies in the past. Tomorrow however I will be closing my eyes and hoping for the best.
@BoishaaiPa: no wonder they went ballistic – they do have a fairly decent team though – watched them play and they were pretty handy!
@Roger: If circumstances allow I’ll be there. Anonymous though. KlofiePa is looking for me. Wants to sort me out
@Kes Dutchie: oh – seems HSSM have it wrong
closest we have got was 1998 and 2012 though wasn’t it?
@Roger: Hey Roger. Score in 2000 was 20-10 to Affies.
@Roger: That win of Trinityhouse against KES put them in the Top 20 for the Sa Schoolsport rankings!…lol
@Gungets Tuft: not often us Vaalies get to the beach – at least they left their surfboards behind!
@Woltrui: you translate – I’ll debate
– you going tomorrow night?
@Vleis: I have no idea what happened against Trinity – even a broken clock is right once a day
I hear it was a case of all our reserves on and completely underestimating the opposition. Fair play to them – these co-ed English schools every ten years or so produce a corker of a team (you should know 
) – we won’t live it down though – was all over social media for days thereafter – sigh – only tall trees catch the wind Vleis 
Yes – Affies may get ugly tomorrow – but it seems we have our 1st XV fit and available for the first time this season-lets wait and see – i have posted previous results below – never has been a blow out before – hopefully tomorrow is not the first!
1998 20-13
1999 40-23
2000 42-25
2012 15-12
Will you be tweeting from the game?
@Roger: Hosting PBHS is a highlight of my year. KES, hosted in 2011, boys were great. They insisted in waking up at 5:30 so we could get in an hour on the beach before breakfast and the drive back to the Burru.
@Roger: Welcome back Roger. At least now the Valies can take this Mr’s Tufts and company verbally on concerning the Goffer cup. As dutchmen we had a difficult time debating the Cup with those Sharkies. At last our main man is back 8)
@Roger: See their best team is playing except maybe at the loosie and loosehead prop. But it seems this is their preferred side. So yes I think they are.
@Roger: In order to learn THE TAAL I will feed you weekly a very descriptive word. Gietergat direct translation is Gieter/Watering Can Gat/Backside but more commonly known Jippo Guts if that is the correct spelling.
@Roger: We go on holiday on Thursday morning, so I might take the lightie to the game on Wed evening to avoid packing suitcases!
Last year, KES were very unlucky to lose by a few points to Affies, but this year could be very ugly for KES. What the hell happened against Trinity – were they playing their 2nd team?
I’m disappointed to miss out on Jeppe v Affies u15 on Saturday – both are probably in the top five in the country in the u15 age group.
@Tjoppa: wtf is gietergat
@Tjoppa: big ask Tjoppa, big ask – as I said, fairly average team this year – but stranger things have happened
Question is – are Affies ready 
@Gungets Tuft: Beaten Saints, Parktown and Hudson Park, lost to Marlow and – wait for it – Trinityhouse
. Jeppe was rained off this weekend – awaiting rescheduled date. Play Affies under lights tomorrow, then Menlo Park, College, Westville, Monnas, PBHS and St Johns – very short season
We don’t do Wildeklawer – invite declined (with thanks)
C’mon Gungets – we all know the PBHS boys can’t hold a candle to the KES boys
@Roger: How are you feeling about Wednesday. Nervous or do you have gietergat.
@Roger: Never mind, found it. Just the 10 fixtures?
Be nice of they changed Maritzburg to Maritzburg College ….
@Roger: Who have Kes played this year. Can’t find anything except Parktown.
KES not invited to Wildekalwer. One would think it was an ideal spot to prove your credentials. No matter, your matches against Grey Bloem, Affies, PBHS, Grey PE, they will all give you the ammunition you need.
Do you have a fixture list for KES – would like to see when they play Kearsney, Glenwood and Westville to contribute to the Grogper. College 18th May – look forward to hosting your boys. Next to PBHS they are always a pleasure to have in our home, even if just for about 6 waking hours.
@Vleis: nope – unfortunately. KES are rather mediocre this year so I don’t have much hope – although we do have our superstar flyhalf back for the match. Touch wood he gets through it ok and perhaps, perchance KES will cause an upset. Will you be there?
@Roger: Then change the .co.za to .co.kz
@Roger: Are you going to watch the KES v Affies game tomorrow evening?
Ploeg: Miskien eerder deurskiet Stilbaai toe!
Dink ek moet maar plan maak om so truitjie te kry soos langsaan, vir Augustus-maand. Sit so tussen twee vure, en ‘n derde in my agterkop.
jeeez – what has changed is the amount of “taal’ been spoken – c’mon chaps – this is a KZN blog after all – The Last Outpost and all that
Right – what have I missed?
KES still top 20 – tick;
Glenwood still wannabes – tick
Grogper Cup still firmly in the Old Tvl’s hands – tick
The more things change the more they stay the same
@BuiteBreek: Kan sien die 17de Augustus gaan ‘n taaie vir Boland se spanne wees. Ons beoog ‘n trippie na vriende se plaas buite Ladismith daai naweek en sal miskien deurkom Riversdal toe vir so een of twee games. Dit berus natuurlik op die res van Boland se seisoen, anders gaan eet en drink ek liewers by die kelder en gaan kyk wild op die plaas oorkant die pad.
@Ploeg: Ja ek het gaan kyk. Game van die dag was beslis die o/16A’s van Oakdale. Hulle het pragtige, eenvoudige en effektiewe gameplan. Pure plesier om te sien.
o/19A het Oakdale met ‘n moerse bang begin, punte oppie bord gaan kry, voet bietjie van pedaal afgehaal, en amper gat gesien. Klein Liebenberg het nie werklik gefeature nie.
Was ‘n goeie, harde game
@BOG: Dit vat nie weg dat haar biceps en kuite groter was as joune nie. Dit is feite.
@Tjoppa: Laat ek maar vir jou herhaal: (ander weergawe) “Jealousy makes you nasty”
@BuiteBreek: So was ek toe reg met my voorspelling vir beide Oakdale en Boland verlede naweek. Jy Oakdale gaan kyk?
@beet: The PRG PR machine have you all fooled
…They are historically not the strongest school in the WP…In fact, in the 50’s and 60’s they did not even play the Paarl schools in regular derbies…On their return to the top tier in 1976 it took them 10 years (1986) to win their first game against Boishaai. In the 80’s and 90’s they became a real force in rugby and then they started reliving their glory years from Pre WW II…They have great rugby tradition and players…less success than you expect!
@BOG: Was dit nie oor haar biceps en kuite groter was as syne nie. Sy tieties van al die beetle juice was dalk groter maar dis al.
@BOG: So you are admitting the gap is closing? Like I said………
Hoe het daardie mooi Eunice meisies altyd gespog met haar Grey kereltjie? “Jealousy gets you nowhere!” @BoishaaiPa: In relation to winning margin- against the top rated schools. If it is taken further back in history, I believe that it will even further increase.
@BuiteBreek: Dit impliseer daar is breins.
Spasie seker tussen poephol en brein?
Interesting that Paul Roos only has a 62.5% win ratio which is much lower than many other top schools. Might suggest that although they are very competitive and yet often find themselves on the losing side against the big guns.
@BOG: Gap in relation to what?..
The gap between the first and the second school on that list, is so big, that Im sure, that the Cherries could quite comfortably slot in between the two. Affies at three? Goodness me, and you say that its confirmed by stats? Or was it a generous dose of sympathy?