The long selection process has come to an end with 28 players being selected to play at the Junior World Championships in New Zealand during June 2014.
The Junior Springboks’ 2014 JWC fixtures:
02 June: SA vs Scotland (North Harbour)
06 June: SA vs New Zealand (North Harbour)
10 June: SA vs Samoa (Pukekohe)
15 June: Playoffs (Tbc)
20 June: Finals (Auckland)
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SOUTH AFRICA UNDER-20 BABY BOK SQUAD 2014 |
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# |
Posi |
Name |
School |
Union |
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1 |
Prop |
Wilco Louw |
Drostdy |
Bulls |
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2 |
Prop |
Nqoba Mxoli |
Westville |
Bulls |
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3 |
Prop |
Pierre Schoeman |
Affies |
Bulls |
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4 |
Prop |
Dayan van der Westhuizen |
Centurion |
Bulls |
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5 |
Prop |
Thomas du Toit |
HJS Paarl BH |
Sharks |
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6 |
Hooker |
Joseph Dweba |
Louis Botha |
Free State |
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7 |
Hooker |
Corniel Els |
Grey College |
Bulls |
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8 |
Hooker |
Malcolm Marx |
KES |
Lions |
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9 |
Lock |
Abongile Nonkontwana |
St Alban’s |
Bulls |
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10 |
Lock |
Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg |
Affies |
Bulls |
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11 |
Lock |
Victor Sesekete |
Queens High |
Lions |
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12 |
Lock |
Daniel du Preez |
Kearsney |
Sharks |
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13 |
Lock |
JD Schickerling |
Paarl Gim |
WP |
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14 |
Flank |
Thabo Mabuza |
Centurion |
Lions |
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15 |
Flank |
Cyle Brink |
KES |
Lions |
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16 |
Flank |
Jean-Luc du Preez |
Kearsney |
Sharks |
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17 |
No.8 |
Aidon Davis |
Daniel Pienaar |
EP Kings |
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18 |
Scrumhalf |
Mthokozisi Mkhabela |
Glenwood |
Free State |
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19 |
Scrumhalf |
JP Smith |
Queen’s |
Bulls |
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20 |
Flyhalf |
Jean-Luc Du Plessis |
HJS Paarl BH |
Sharks |
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21 |
Flyhalf |
Handre Pollard |
Paarl Gim |
Bulls |
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22 |
Centre |
Daniel Kriel |
M. College |
Bulls |
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23 |
Centre |
Andre Esterhuizen |
Klerksdorp |
Sharks |
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24 |
Wing |
Duncan Mathews |
Swartland |
Bulls |
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25 |
Wing |
Sergeal Petersen |
Grey High |
EP Kings |
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26 |
Fullback |
Warrick Gelant |
Outeniqua |
Bulls |
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27 |
Fullback |
Jesse Kriel |
M. College |
Bulls |
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28 |
Fullback |
Lloyd Greef |
Transvalia |
Leopards |
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PLAYERS PART OF THE PROCESS ALONG THE WAY |
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# |
Posi |
Name |
School |
Union |
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1 |
Centre |
Nicolaas Lee |
Affies |
Free State |
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2 |
Wing |
Marcus Kleinbooi |
Affies |
Bulls |
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3 |
Flank |
Heinrich Viljoen |
Affies |
Bulls |
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4 |
Lock |
RG Snyman |
Affies |
Bulls |
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5 |
Flank |
Jandre Slabbert |
Affies |
Free State |
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6 |
Flyhalf |
Ryno Eksteen |
Affies |
WP |
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7 |
Centre |
Kock Marx |
Alberton |
Lions |
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8 |
Wing |
Keagon Gordon |
Boland Landbou |
Bulls |
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9 |
Lock |
Justin Basson |
Boland Landbou |
Bulls |
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10 |
Hooker |
Arno van Wyk |
Boland Landbou |
Bulls |
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11 |
Wing |
Dean Stokes |
Brits |
Leopards |
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12 |
Prop |
Pieter Scholtz |
Diamantveld |
Lions |
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13 |
Lock |
JP du Preez |
EG Jansen |
Lions |
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14 |
Scrumhalf |
Christiaan Meyer |
EG Jansen |
Lions |
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15 |
No.8 |
Ray Williams |
Framesby |
Sharks |
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16 |
Flyhalf |
Ernst Stapelberg |
Framesby |
WP |
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17 |
Centre |
Marquit September |
Garsfontein |
Bulls |
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18 |
Fullback |
EW Viljoen |
Grey College |
WP |
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19 |
Hooker |
Chris de Beer |
Hilton |
Sharks |
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20 |
Scrumhalf |
Cameron Wright |
Hilton |
Sharks |
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21 |
Centre |
Neil Maritz |
HJS Paarl BH |
Sharks |
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22 |
Prop |
Wesley Adonis |
HJS Paarl BH |
WP |
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23 |
Wing |
Dewald Naude |
HJS Paarl BH |
WP |
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24 |
No.8 |
Jano Venter |
HTS Middelburg |
Lions |
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25 |
Lock |
Gideon Koegelenberg |
Hugenote |
Sharks |
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26 |
Centre |
Sandile Khubeka |
Kearsney |
Sharks |
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27 |
No.8 |
Ayron Schramm |
Kearsney |
Sharks |
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28 |
Prop |
Dylan Smith |
KES |
Lions |
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29 |
Flank |
Sias Koen |
Klerksdorp |
Sharks |
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30 |
Prop |
Ox Nche |
Louis Botha |
Free State |
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31 |
Flank |
Vincent Maropeng |
Louis Botha |
Lions |
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32 |
Lock |
Stephan Vermeulen |
Monnas |
Lions |
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33 |
No.8 |
Chris Massyn |
Monument |
Bulls |
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34 |
Flyhalf |
Jaco Van der Walt |
Monument |
Lions |
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35 |
Prop |
Frans van Wyk |
Monument |
WP |
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36 |
Wing |
Hillford Clarke |
Noord-Kaap |
Griquas |
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37 |
Wing |
Ganfried May |
Oudtshoorn |
Bulls |
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38 |
Wing |
Duhan van der Merwe |
Outeniqua |
Bulls |
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39 |
Prop |
Marthinus Oosthuizen |
Outeniqua |
Free State |
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40 |
Wing |
Grant Hermanus |
Paarl Gim |
WP |
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41 |
Flank |
Jacques Vermeulen |
Paarl Gim |
WP |
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42 |
No.8 |
Rikus Bothma |
Paarl Gim |
WP |
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43 |
Lock |
Jan Uys |
Paul Roos |
WP |
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44 |
Flank |
Ramone Samuels |
Paul Roos |
Lions |
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45 |
Centre |
Daniel du Plessis |
Paul Roos |
WP |
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46 |
Hooker |
Chad Solomon |
Paul Roos |
WP |
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47 |
Centre |
Michael Hazner |
Paul Roos |
Lions |
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48 |
Scrumhalf |
SP Ferreira |
Paul Roos |
WP |
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49 |
Prop |
Jaco Botha |
Potch Volkskool |
Leopards |
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50 |
No.8 |
Kevin Kaba |
Queens |
EP Kings |
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51 |
Wing |
Alrin Eksteen |
Robertson |
Sharks |
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52 |
Centre |
Rohan Janse van Rensburg |
Waterkloof |
Bulls |
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53 |
Flyhalf |
Kobus Marais |
Waterkloof |
Bulls |
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54 |
Scrumhalf |
Justin Philips |
Waterkloof |
WP |
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55 |
Centre |
Leighton van Wyk |
SACS |
Bulls |
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56 |
Centre |
Jarryd Sage |
Wynberg |
WP |
Grasshopper, It is peculiar that he did not make the squad. Moreover, what’s the point of being in 7s squad when he should be playing 15s? He was one of the stars for SA u18 last year. My only concern has always been his temperament, he is basically a walking yellow card!
@Fair Play: I think it was a little more than ‘oefinnings’, more like ‘decadrone’……the oke went from a solid 90kg to 105kg no fat in a month…
@Ruggersake: the wynberg jersey gives your disguise away…do I notice a tendency towards a certain number 8?
The debates are interesting but just like Craven Week, to use selection as the sole determinant of who is better than whoever else would be a mistake. Quite a few of those who missed out on selection have a bright future ahead.
@Predator: @Knersus: Thanks for the feedback.
I can’t wait to watch Corne de Klerk in action on Monday. His dimensions suggest he will be a player similar in style to Duhan.
I noticed on Boots and All that the bulk of the Baby boks invited to be on the show( at the Springbok experience) were from KXN.( THE Doops,Zee,Mox and Jessie). Is that because we are more articulate and presentable?
@Gimmie: No mistake, JL Doop was more of a presence than Vermeulen on the field.
Vermeulen was not his usual self – you must remember, this is a level up, not school boy rugby. Vermeulen is a good player, but he needs a bit more size on him, JL is bigger and more of a presence on the field, it was evident at trials
Vatikaki, the decision to choose du Preez ahead of Jacques Vermeulen is staggering and obviously a mistake by the selectors.
@beet: Ek het vir twee jaar die “brilliance ” van Duhan vd Merwe en Warrick Gelant Saterdag na Saterdag en op Cravenweek aanskou. hierdie twee ken mekaar inside out , hulle het menige agterlyn deurmekaar gehardloop. Daar is ‘n magic tussen hierdie twee manne wat lekker is om te aanskou. Warrick het verlede jaar vir my gesê dat hy eerder sevens gaan oorweeg vorentoe. Ek het Warrick en Duhan ervaar as baie beskeie jong manne, met ongelooflike werkstempo. Dit was ‘n absolute plesier om hulle te sien speel . Ek moet darem bysê dat die Kwaggas se afrigters baie ure in hierdie manne ingesit het en die vrugte word gepluk. Dit was lekker!!!
@Woltrui: Nee wag Wolhaar, ek kruip weg. Eks angsbevange.
@Andre T: Huh??
@Woltrui: Jy begin my nou bang maak
@boxkick: Hmmmm…… . “Slap in the face to compare Pollard with Fred”… This from the same expert who said EG Jansen and Monnas must play bigger, tougher opposition on a regular basis….. . No Mr boxkick. Don’t even remotely agree with your comment. Mr Pollard has already forgotten what Freddie must still learn.
@Andre T: @RBugger: Hahahahaha! I swear I was going to tender my resignation from this blog.
@Playa: hahahhahahahahahaha, exactly the opposite – veryboring.com
I prefer the likes of Malcolm Jaer, Warrick Gelant etc
@Playa: Hahaha……….Daniller exciting?
I’ve had showers more exciting
@RBugger: Hehehehe…are you saying Daniller is exciting? Please tell me I misunderstood
@Boxkick: Is Greef not a wing? I am sure he was playing right wing at trials.
In terms of stature, very much like Daniller – very big, exciting?? Not so sure
@ grasshopper…Fred vs Pollard… in my opinion its a slap in the face of Fred to even try to compare them…Fred oozes real class at 10, Pollard must be theeeee most overrated player in SA Rugby…he was lucky the JRWC 2012 was in Cape Town and he had the likes of Serfontein alongside him, and I make that deduction based on his form at 2013 JRWC and ever since that. Muzi would disagree strongly but then Muzi is Bulls Rugby full stop…what people must realise is that when you sign a youngster for 5 years and pay him a rocket, he will feature, no matter how good or poor he is, they made that commitment to him and now they have to stick with it, cant see any other union who would want to touch him after the way he treated WP Rugby when they initially informed them that they are going to the Bulls…I see another Hennie Daniller in this Greef guy at fullback from the Leopards as well…
@sharkie: Rickus over shadowed completely at first trial, Schramm the stand out at no.8 and unlucky to have injured himself ( knee) missed last trial. Also think quota an issue…
@Grasshopper:
Ja hy hard gewerk in af seisoen. Die tendons het begin
pla met intensiewe oefeninge by Sevens. Dit glo ontstaan
agv sy vinnige groei . Die Sevens kyk baie mooi na hom.
@Knersus: Could that tendon issue be due to ‘off season’ gym work? Have you seen how big he has got…?
@RBugger: thanks, makes sense.
@Knersus: No offence to 7’s rugby but I would much prefer to see him playing 15 a side
@Knersus: Dit is nou n jammerte want 7’s is sommer snert
@beet: Duhan van der Merwe was besig met rehab vir sy tendons wat hom las gegee het. Hy nou herstel en is nou so 2 weke op die veld. Ons wens hom sterkte en voorspoed toe. Duhan is ook nie by die Bulle nie, maar het verlede jaar kontrak geteken met SA Sewes.
@QC86: Certainly not to slow, he i smobile enough.
Beet mentioned that it was due to his lineout accuracy, this could be the reason.
Second to which, the game is changing, seems to be getting faster all the time, perhaps the Sharks realise this and want a good, mobile loose-head..? I am not entirely sure, but I would keep him at Hooker
@RBugger: The Sharks guys had moved Cris De Beer to prop in the vodacom cup side,possibly abit slow,not sure, but that is what they were thinking,what do you think??
@Grasshopper: I do not think it bothers Fred at all right now, it would have at the time, but not now. He is playing SR, a far greater achievment than SA U20, SR is the Big Time. SA U20 is a fantastic achievment and great for the CV but SR is where it is at.
@CRC: He has all the makings to be a great player and a great Captain. Very mellow guy, with good manners and a great attitude towards rugby. He has what it takes and I am sure he will come back stronger after this dissappointment.
@RBugger: A bit like Fred Zeilanga then, overlooked and they chose Pollard….I think Fred is a better than Pollard, but that is obviously subjective….huge pity for Fred…
@RBugger: Sorry to hear that De Beer got injured. I was wondering what happened to him.He has a bright future.
@Grasshopper: No, he is u20 this year, so no more shots at this age level for him – it is a shame, his style would have been perfect for NZ.
I think we will do well though, we have some force in the pack and a very exciting backline – Esterhuizen and Kriel could cause serious damage in the midfield.
@Grasshopper: Doubt it, he was U19 at school already. Repeating a week of Grade 10 and the whole of Grade 11 screwed that pooch.
I agree though – he was the star at Hilton, almost single-handedly beat College last year with those bombs that came down with blood on them. Poor Holder, drafted into the 1sts along with 5 others on the morning of the match, with a decent breeze blowing to move the ball around, hiding to nothing. If NZ is wet and heavy, those skills would be the business. Put those up, have our backs loitering around when they come down, big fast beef arriving to enforce …. eeisch, who would be a kick receiver.
@RBugger: Does Wright have another year at this level?
@John3175: De Beer would have made the side, but hurt his leg badly, in fact, he may have broken a bone in his leg – he was a certainty in the side and would have been my Captain.
As for Wright – SHOCKING CALL
@vatikaki: I take it you have seen these ‘Q’ players play and hence making an educated observation?
@Speartackle: Nee hy was een van die uitsonderlike troepe hy het basies 3 keer gedop.
@Woltrui: Wolhaar, hoekom was jy so lank in die army? Was jy PF?. Lol……..ek kan dit sien hoor.
Ek neem aan jy is n Bul ondersteuner?
@vatikaki: let’s just say Zee didn’t pick himself so congrats to him. The other two were unlucky.
@Grasshopper:@
More deserving then say… Cameron Wright? or SP Ferreira?
very disappointed not see Cameron Wright or De Beer in the final squad!
Well done to all picked, especially Mthokozisi ‘Zee’ Mkhabela! He played SA Academy and was part of the Young Guns winning side. I think that is now 5 or 6 years in a row Glenwood has had a rep or reps, starting to come through now. Zee is solid, not the flashiest but can get a job done especially as a super sub..
@beet: There might be other ‘things’ stopping him playing…..you know what I mean..
@beet: Not sure EW Viljoen would agree…
@vatikaki: Ai ai ai ai. Geagte Meneer. Ek verskil effe van U siening tov die geliefde Blou Bulle.
-Die nuwe reels pas die Bulle se stutte soos ‘n handskoen. Werner en Dean is topklas dankie. Ons sal hulle hou.
-Paul Willemse nie die mas opkom nie! Selfs met die beperkte speeltyd wat die man kry is daar ‘n paar Super rugby spelers wat nagmerries het oor Paultjie. Buiten Eben Etsebeth is daar nie baie slotte wat die aantal duikslae uitvoer wat die knaap uitvoer nie. Ons sal hom hou, baie dankie.
-Kallie Visagie se spel is BAIE aan die verbeter by die Bulle en onder die heer Matfield. Gee hom nog n seisoen dan gesels ons weer. Bongi is ook n puik speler wat wag vir sy kansie.
-Stegman. Ai ai ai ai. Konings kind meneer, konings kind. Ons ruil hom nie vir al die Brussowtjies of Deon Fourietjies in die hele wereld nie.
-Piet Van Zyl. Min speelkans maar ‘n klas speler wat by die Geliefde Bulle se speelpatroon pas.
-Pierre Spies. Asseblief Vatikaki. “Rubbish”. A nee A. Respek vir die ou grote. Dis media praatjies van jou. Omrede Pierre nie elke wedstryd deurnael nie nou is hy skielik rubbish. Die eerste SR wedstryd tussen die Charkies en die Bulle was hy baie beter as die losvoorspelers van die charkies. Trouens ek het eers na die wedstryd verneem Willem Alberts het gespeel. Maar wie word toe uitgekryt as “rubbish”. Pierre Spies.
-Jurgen Visser gaan nog ‘n grote word.
So, opgesom stem ek net saam jou opmerking tov Mnr Pollard. Besliste kwaliteit!
Sterkte daar by jou in NZ.
Hou kontak op die blog Vatikaki. Ek vermoed ek en jou Pa was dieselfde tyd in die weermag(Julie 82 tot Julie 85). Ek kyk altyd uit vir jou insette laaitie.
@beet: Leighton Van Wyk went to SACS not Wynberg
Duhan vd Merwe did not even feature at all. I assume he is injured. He would have been a scary prospect in NZ given his size and speed
@Muzi: It was a fantastic try, slipping between 2 defenders, much like his school days.
The test comes in whether or not he can distribute..? Like I said, anybody of his age to play at the level he is playing at, can only be described as a great player, but hell, JL was utterly exceptional at trials, believe me, his vision is unmatched.
He is a slight guy, but just reads the game so well. His distribution is amazing and he puts fantastic little grubbers and chips through, has rugby in his blood and you can see it
@RBugger:
I hope you saw Pollard’s try against the canes…individual magic when you move him to 12 that’s when he starts losing confidence…even the bulls have abandoned the 12 experiment.
It appears the selectors went for experience and players suited to conditions expected to be found in New Zilland – wet and slow – would have thought the WC guys were more suited then?
http://www.sarugby.net/article.aspx?category=sarugby/u20&id=2411934
@Beet: Very True on JL – He is a class act but kicking… not sure, we will have to see I guess.
@Vatikaki: If you were at trials, it was clear that Jacques would not make it, not enough of a physical presence yet, the likes of Cyle Brink and JL Du Preez just look more powerful, but Jacques still has time on his side.
As for Rikus, also, very good player but no where near Jano Venter – I am telling you, it amazes me how that guy did not make it – he was one of the standout players at trials
@beet: You must be alert. Moenieskryfdikaki
@vatikaki: Oops
Anyone surprised Jacques Vermeulen didn’t make the team?
@beet:
7 isn’t it?
You missed Gelant.
@sharkie: Rikus has a shot next year.
Perhaps I should include the age group stat. Very few u19s make the u20 team every year.
This year there are 6 and amazingly they are all forwards, which is a surprise.
Dweba, Nonkontwana, Du Toit, Du Preez x 2, JD Schickerling,
Well done to all who made it. Like always there will be names that maybe should have been there. Does anyone know of what happened to Rickmus Bothma as he was a quality no.8 at the KERF festival last year and i think he went on the captain sa schools? It would appear that it has been an exhastive process in selecting this team
@RBugger: JL du Plessis reads play very well, knows when to kick run pass. He is one of the most accurate passes I’ve seen and understands defensive alignments and where the best place to attack space is. BUT… he was not a good place kicker last year- accuracy and distance were both issues. Here Pollard has one over him plus Pollard packs a ton of experience and has shown BMT when we needed it in the past.
@vatikaki: Die Bulls kan nie sonder ou Wynie speel nie………….KOM SEBLIEF TERUG OU IRRITERENDE WYNIE
@Vatikaki: I am a Sharks supporter but that is not the basis for my wanting Du Plessis starting at 10, remembering as you know, that both Pollard and Du Plessis come from the Cape.
Look, you can’t say much about a 20 year old who is already playing SR, Pollard has done exceptionally well, but I just prefer the style of play that JL brings to the game.
To me, he opens up more space for the centres than what Pollard seems to do – having said this, I realise that I am watching Pollard at SR level, which is of a far higher tempo than U20.
I feel Pollard likes to be more of a runner than distributor – of course, only an oponion that may well be off the mark
@Andre T:
Wat van hom?
Hy speel darem alright. Ek sal nou nie te veel worry oor die vleuels nie tot dat die res van die span hulle job kan doen.
@vatikaki: Wat van Aikona?
@RBugger:
Sharks supporter I see…
Pollard has been excellent every time he’s come on for the Bulls.
I do hope to see Jean-Luc play quite a bit though. With injuries the way they are it wouldn’t surprise to see Pollard in the 12 jersey before long.
@Speartackle: With concious effort, yes. But then I was raised by a father that never saw colour, even back in the 60’s, when working on the mines was an exercise in segregation. The very first time he worked on a proto team underground, watching men of all colours risking their lives for men of all colours he realised how stupid it all was.
This is not the spot for this discussion ….
@Muzi:
Few of the Bulls issues in my opinion:
Have stuck with terrible props Greyling & Kruger for far too long. Marcel vd Merwe is playing great rugby every time he comes onto the field and still can’t get a start, and they really need to reconsider whether they should offer new contracts to the former two. Callie Visagie is an ‘okay’ hooker. Nothing more, nothing less. So yes, pretty much outside of Marcel vd Merwe I’d be hoping for a brand new front-row. Malcolm Marx might’ve been a good pick-up at hooker?
At lock Paul Willemse hasn’t come on, and I don’t think he will. Looks to me his size had him bullying guys, but now that he can’t do it anymore he’s just not cutting it. Grant Hattingh is reasonably athletic but a very average player. Bulls need a young lock to take the rains from Matfield (in the 5 jersey) soon. Not sure what they’re going to do.
Deon Stegmann is no Heinrich Brussow. Not even a Deon Fourie. If it were me right now, I’d be throwing Liebenberg in there and hoping he does better. Jacques du Plessis has actually gone a little better then I thought he would but is still maturing. Jono Ross is a CC player. Very average. Pierre Spies is rubbish. Shouldn’t even have brought Dewald Potgieter back….
It is a complete joke that Piet van Zyl played for the Springboks. His fundamentals are shocking. The Bulls wasted their money. They need a good technical scrumhalf. Perhaps JP Smith can be that man.
At 10 Handre Pollard is clearly the future. They’re handling him quite well I thought.
Midfield good. JJ does need to work on trying to open spaces though. Ellis Park test last year he was terrible in that he carried into contact every time he touched it, when hands was on.
Jurgen Visser is a good Currie Cup fullback. You need more when you want to win a Super Rugby title. Kriel soon you’d imagine.
@Speartackle: One thing is for sure………Bog got over it
@Vatikaki: Agree with you on Demetri, so over-rated it is scary. Cannot threaten a line or get a backline moving, no threat to an advantage line at all
Rohan played for the Institute Side against the U20 in the one trial and then for the U20against Institute in another trial.
Not sure if it is because of injury, but he did not look very good, Kriel far better and more of a presence.
Rohan looked off the pace somewhat and was playing way too direct, seemed he almost looked for contact – again, this could all be from his injury comeback.
Very excited to see what Kriel and Esterhuizen can do – hope the coaches have the courage to play JL Du Plessis ahead of Pollard, he is exceptionally good
@Gungets Tuft: The real question every and I mean …..every……South African must ask himself is…………Can I ever get over it?…………Can you Gungs?
@Muzi:
Bulls just need a couple years for the youngsters to mature a little.
They’ve got a lot of young guys who are more then capable of winning them a SR title in a few years.
In a few positions they definitely have the same problem that the Stormers have though, in that they find an ‘adequate’ player and stick with him for a lengthy period of time.
Stormers bringing back Demetri Catrakilis frustrates me. Terrible all-round player whose been propped up because of a drop-goal two years ago. If they’d had a better flyhalf, they might not even have needed the late drop-goal!
I’m very keen to see in the next few years which of these bulls players will be involved in super rugby…..
……..half will probably get dumped and thrown to the gutters…a guy like Jimmy Stonehouse will pick up the pieces…..coach Andre Tredoux is right SA rugby is need of a draft system.
@Speartackle: So he allegedly got a ban. Okes have got to stop being lazy and looking for an “easy” way to insult people. Not entering into this discussion. Hopefully he is over it …
@vatikaki: In daai geval kon jy net so wel Wesrand toe gekom het. Lekkerste meisies in die land en die polisie word nogal besig gehou hier…….veral op n Vrydagaand in Luipaard straat.
@Speartackle:
It’s no rocket science the reason why the Bulls are battling in this super rugby competition it’s because of “boetie boetie”……
@Speartackle:
Nou nie my keuse gewees nie… maar soek ons nie maar almal ‘n gemaklike lewe nie? Ek was ‘n luigat gewees op skool maar nog steeds my BA klaar gemaak in hierdie land. Ek begin binnekort my opleiding by die Polisie… iets wat ek oor passievol is. So ja, dis ‘n lekker lewe. Dink nou nie ek sou so goed gegaan het in SA nie ongelukkig. Al wat ek baie mis elke keer wanneer ek uit die Kaap uit weg is is die mooi meisies met lekker persoonlikhede. Kort so een.
@Muzi: Still can’t figure out what Ludeke is interested in………most certainly not winning.
@vatikaki:
Rohan has been battling with an ankle injury he did attend trials though…will find out from Dan Lombard.
@Speartackle:
I think that’s why the Bulls didn’t give a rats ass about losing him to the lions…Frans Ludeke isn’t interested in dashes.
@Muzi:
Is he injured? (Rohan)
Wasn’t even part of the practice squad. He played pretty well when given an opportunity last year. I’d have imagined he’d walk into the team.
@vatikaki: Is dit hoekom jy n eilander geword het?
@Muzi: Lol………he needs the Grey SA Schools backline in front of him.
@Tarpeys:
Ignorant to say the least.
Where would Khubeka have fitted in? We have plenty of centres who one would think would be better picks. Is Ramone Samuels big enough to be playing anywhere as a loose-forward, and why did his move to hooker not work out? High hopes for Nche but he is U-19 this year… He’ll be a good deputy to Thomas du Toit next year one hopes.
They don’t pick themselves, but sorry, I’m not about to pretend that it is a fair selection process just to keep the peace. It’s a farce.
@Speartackle:
Oh, my funny enough I watched him in a few Vodacom cup games…I saw none of those dashes….this aint school boy rugby.
@RBugger: Fortunately we have the Pretoria East Express, Thabo Mabuza, there. He can cover anywhere with his daredevil dashes.
@tarpeys
agree they have taken the quota system so far even the previously disadvantaged get disadvantaged these days
Anyway… Anyone care to fill the gaps?
1 Thomas du Toit or Pierre Schoeman?
2 Malcolm Marx yes?
3 Dayan van der Westhuizen probably…
4 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg, Abongile Nonkontwana or Daniel du Preez?
5 JD Schickerling?
6 Thabo Mabuza? Iesh
7 Cyle Brink?
8 Aidon Davis
9 JP Smith
10 Handre Pollard
11 ? Duncan Matthews, or is Gelant a chance out of position?
12 Andre Esterhuizen
13 Daniel Kriel
14 Sergeal Petersen
15 Jesse Kriel
16 Joseph Dweba probably?
17 Pierre or Thomas?
18 Wilco Louw?
19 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg, Abongile Nonkontwana or Daniel du Preez?
20 Abongile Nonkontwana or Jean-Luc du Preez?
21 Zee Mkhabela I assume.
22 Jean-Luc du Plessis
23 Warrick Gelant, Lloyd Greeff or Duncan Matthews?
Ngobisizwe Mxoli and Victor Sekekete will have some spare time to visit Waiheke Island.
@Speartackle:
Noooo I put it you he was ‘guilty’
To all the M College supporters, I can tell you with a big smile, Dan Kriel is back on top and looking hot as!
He will make a BIG STATEMENT at the Junior World Cup, he was the one guy running through and over many a player at the trials.
All in all, this squad is very strong with one or two unfortunate selections here and there.
How Wright did not make it, I simply do not know, he was fantastic in the trials and I thought he would be a certainty, especially considering NZ will be wet and his tactical kicking would be very valuable.
Schramm had a scintilating first trial, but then got a few injury niggles and was ruled out of the final trial match, denting his chances.
Biggest surprise is the ommision of Jano Venter – no disrespect to Aidan, but Jano outplayed him and by no small margin either, very very surprised that he has been left out.
From the look of things at trials, they seem to be using Abongile as the back up 8, which is a mistake waiting to happen, Jano should be there
Aidon Davis is nothing special….Schraam is a better player…just saying.
@Gungets Tuft: MiLady……it was ‘alleged’…..that’s what I’m putting to you.
@Speartackle: Absolutely no place for racism in any facet of life. But credit to him I hear he had to undergo all sorts of life skills sessions to be allowed to play again. Took it on the chin and look where he is now. Him and Dan Kriel will be a fearsome centre pairing if they start together.
@Gungets Tuft:
Expose him….
It’s great to see that the “beckham twins” have made the squad…tough moutherf****rs
…hopefully they got rid of those ridiculously looking hair styles. 
@vatikaki: Those so called Q players are good quality players. Us white people need to get over ourselves. Take nothing away from these players. They are quality players that came through good schools and systems and don’t deserved to have their achievement tainted by your comments. The truth of the matter is that there are quality black players that weren’t chosen like Khubeka, Samuels and Nche to name a few. So please let’s not go down that road.
@rbw1863: http://www.rugby365.com/article/48409-schoolboy-punished-for-racial-insult
Pollard will provide cover at inside centre…still surprised the tank Rohan missed out though..very unlucky
So good to see both Dan and Jess will go there together. Hard work and dedication paying off. Congrats to the doops and mkhabela as well. Well deserved.
Wonder if there have ever been two sets of twins playing in the same team before?
@rbw1863: The Potch Gim coach robbed him
@beet:
Agreed. You’re not going to ‘transform’ the game by putting guys in there who aren’t nearly good enough. All it’s doing is devaluing the game. Time the IRB steps in. Too many young guys going to be sitting at home not even watching this event, knowing that they missed out to inferior players because of the colour of their skin. How disappointing.
Not that I agree with efforts to ‘transform’ either. You can’t claim to want a non-racial society, where the colour of a persons skin doesn’t matter, but then do the complete opposite.
And it’s completely ignoring genetics as well. In New Zealand the Islanders find it easier because of their genetics (bigger, stronger, faster). In SA that isn’t taken into consideration, nor is the rugby history within Afrikaans families (who make up the vast majority of professional rugby players in SA).
If it ever does jump from 33% up to 60%, the Springboks will be competing with the likes of Italy, or worse.
@Gungets Tuft: You most certainly haven’t met T and myself yet.
@rbw1863:’
It was that racist incident…..
It’s no secret Dawie is a closet Bulls supporter…but hey I’m not complaining.
@beet: Wasn’t Esterhuizen banned in 2012? Can hardly call it being robbed then.
@beet: Ja, lots of deserving players left out.
Dan Kriel was voted Backline player of the tournament at the Grey Festival that year, went to Wildclover (
), then injured at KES and didn’t play again. More than his share of bad luck. Happy for the oke, a more down to earth and respectful 2 boys than the Kriels you will battle to find.
@vatikaki: Dis Maori taal. Dog jy verstaan dit dalk.
@beet: Beet, I like that. Are you standing for elections anywhere in KXN? Surely this statement would see you get lots of votes.
@vatikaki: No you are mixing this up with another site. Here you can use the Q-word and even discuss it in a responsible manner. The youngsters picked did not make up the rules but that also does not mean we have to ignore reality.
The IRB should really enforce a rule that any international team found guilty of making selections along racial lines will be disqualified from participation as well as time period bans for any coaches or officials who partake in these activities. This would force SA to stop the window-dressing and focus on genuine development.
@Speartackle:
Verstaan nie heeltemaal wat jy probeer se nie maar okay
@vatikaki: Ons kiesnikaki wat ons speelnikaki ou vatikaki
@Gungets Tuft: “robbed of an almost certain SA Schools spot” – sjoe sounds like you just described Andre Esterhuizen in 2012
@pongola: There are a few utility backs – Pollard, Gelant, Greeff, Matthews.
2 scrumhalves is chancing it a little. I’m not sure if Matthews can cover here if absolutely necessary
@pongola: No Pongie……..there was only place for 28 players and perhaps 16 management ride-a-longs. Maybe they should pick a few as managers like Matfield’s trip to Australasia.
They should have picked more props also.
Want to use a word that starts with Q but not sure if I’d be breaking the ‘House Rules’.
All I can say is I’m very disappointed. Here in New Zealand they can pick the best 28 players. In South Africa you need to pick the best 10 ‘PDI’ players, and then the rest, regardless of whether all of those first 10 are up to standard.
If I was one of the props or locks to miss out I’d be rightly fuming. Cameron Wright must be rolling his eyes as well.
at lot of locks and props and 3 hookers?
would have like to see extra centre/wing?
can they call up players if some get injured?
are most of the player left out younger?
@Redblack White: Check the Old Boys Facebook site … she is stoked. It’s so lekker for Dan, robbed of an almost certain SA Schools spot, now gets the opportunity to have a run.
Have a look at those left out .. man, what a strong group. Cameron Wright is one that stands out, Schramm … eeisch. You could almost send a “B” team and rate them to get a final.
Well done to the Doeps as well – must say I feel bad for Schramm though. And no Cameron Wright?
That ends my KZN bias – just commenting on the close to home ones
So happy for the Kriels – hope Daniel can stay injury free and give a proper account of himself – he is much better than he has been able to show in the last two years – good opportunity for him.
Mom must be brimming with pride – and Matt is still waiting in the wings – WOW!!!