Gauteng English Media Schools Parktown and Jeppe travel down to Durban, KwaZulu-Natal this long weekend for crucial Grogper Cup games against DHS and Northwood. Parktown plays both KZN schools and following their surprising yet convincing win against KZN bogey school Graeme College of Grahamstown (beat both Michaelhouse and Northwood), no one at the coast will be taking the Parktown challenge lightly now.
Updated to include weekend wins by KZN
| # | VENUE | DAY | DATE | GEMS | KZN | FEST / COMPO | G | K | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Neu | Sat | 29/03/2014 | Pretoria BH | 39 | 8 | DHS | Grey PE Fest | 1 | 0 |
| 2 | Neu | Mon | 31/03/2014 | KES | 20 | 17 | DHS | Grey PE Fest | 1 | 0 |
| 3 | Neu | Mon | 31/03/2014 | Pretoria BH | 17 | 21 | Kearsney | Grey PE Fest | 0 | 1 |
| 4 | Neu | Mon | 31/03/2014 | Jeppe | 14 | 20 | Glenwood | Grey PE Fest | 0 | 1 |
| 5 | KZN | Sat | 12/04/2014 | Pretoria BH | 28 | 42 | Maritzburg College | 0 | 1 | |
| 6 | Gau | Sat | 19/04/2014 | St Stithians | 10 | 34 | Hilton | St Stithians | 0 | 1 |
| 7 | Gau | Mon | 21/04/2014 | KES | 50 | 15 | Northwood | KES Festival | 1 | 0 |
| 8 | Gau | Mon | 21/04/2014 | St John’s | 26 | 13 | St Charles | St John’s | 1 | 0 |
| 9 | KZN | Sat | 26/04/2014 | Jeppe | 17 | 31 | Northwood | 0 | 1 | |
| 10 | KZN | Sat | 26/04/2014 | Parktown | 8 | 34 | DHS | 0 | 1 | |
| 11 | KZN | Mon | 28/04/2014 | Parktown | 18 | 36 | Northwood | 0 | 1 | |
| 12 | Gau | Sat | 10/05/2014 | KES | Maritzburg College | |||||
| 13 | Gau | Sat | 10/05/2014 | Pretoria BH | Westville | |||||
| 14 | KZN | Sat | 24/05/2014 | KES | Westville | |||||
| 15 | KZN | Sat | 24/05/2014 | St David’s | St Charles | |||||
| 16 | KZN | Sat | 31/05/2014 | St John’s | Michaelhouse | |||||
| 17 | KZN | Sat | 31/05/2014 | St Stithians | Kearsney | |||||
| 18 | Gau | Sat | 02/08/2014 | Pretoria BH | Maritzburg College | |||||
| 6-4-8 | TOTAL | 247 | 271 | 4 | 7 |
So Grogper is 8-4 with Westville’s heavy win over PBHS, no points for College vs KES draw. 5 games left now and a big one in the leafy suburbs on the 24th, unfortunately I will be at College vs Glenwood Old boys day…
@CRC: @GreenBlooded: @RugbyDad: Much like watching a boxing match – common to watch only your favoured boxer and miss all the points scored against him
I have the score at 24,6 for KZN and 15,45 for GEMS on the BHP formula for Grogper
Too true. Not only do I often watch one team, I also tend to focus on my son. (I wasn’t the vocal supporter
)
@CRC: Hahaha. A very common affliction sadly!!
@Gungets Tuft: There was an interesting comment on Saturday when quiet a vocal supporter of one school was told he was only watching half the game and he did not understand why. It was then explained to him that he was only watching one team and his comments were reflecting that.
@GreenBlooded: Should have made the time to go down and have a look. To me, both the refs of the 1sts and 2nds on Saturday had good games, and it got a little tense at times on Saturday as well, but it was well handled by the refs. Hard to see how he turned into a bad ref in 2 days
Its lekker being impartial, no preconceived ideas or desired outcomes (OK, just a little, on the Grogper scale, but not enough to make me blind), and able to see both side of the play. I find that difficult when watching my own school, but getting there, can’t imagine watching my own son at that level …
@Greenblooded I don’t think the ref had a bad game at all, amazing how peoples perspective on things differs.
Hard game and fair contest
@Gungets Tuft: Heard a comment that the referee couldn’t control the game which is why it got out of whack. By my records it was the same guy who refereed with Northwood – Jeppe game 2 days earlier. I know the guy – good ref. I wonder what happened?
@ZnCoach: Nice, another Grogper point in the bag….7-4 with 7 to play!
@Gungets. Northwood won 36-18 comfortably.
@Grasshopper: From what I hear Northwood won on points over 12 rounds. The real result, don’t know. Was too busy to stroll across, and the rat had escaped ….
So what happened between Parktown and Northwood yesterday?
@Westers: Agreed. It was a forced change, as the flyhalf got injured. But that was when the game changed – he is way better that the flyhalf who started.
@RugbyDad: I saw Weersma playing 10 in club rugby last year and was surprised that Northwood used him at centre. He is a good flyhalf, is well built and didn’t appear afraid to have a go himself when necessary. Good boot as well.
Glad to hear he is doing so well.
Going back to my comment on 23 April where I suggested that the Grogper cup runs in line with BHP ranking formula – I have it as 22,6 vs 15,2 for KZN.
Big win for Northwood – by beating a category 4 tam in Jeppe they earn themselves 4,25 BHP points and Jeppe spill 0.5 for the loss – a 4,75 gain for the KZN teams.
Go KZN!!!!!!!
@Pedantic: What was grannies name … Olympe Maxime ..?
@Gungets Tuft: Good wins for both Northwood and School this weekend. Agree with you about the physicality of the Jeppe boys – although the Northwood boys will tell you there was a fair amount of öld style”underhanded stuff. Parktown, on the other hand, were spoiling for a fight before they took to the field. Poor refereeing saw the game degenerate in the end, with a total loss of control.
The game against Jeppe is more of what they are capable of. Remember that 3 probable starters did not go to KES due to injury or other commitments. Add to that the 2 injuries when beaten 11-0 against Menlo and the “one foot in the bus”factor and you can understand the score vs KES.
Weersma is undoubtedly a much better 10 and is definitely the best Northwood have. Suddenly some urgency in the backline and they looked like they had a plan when he was at 10. Parktown game was not a nice spectator game. A rest is in order now – 3 GROGPER points in the bag. Looking like 13 – 5 or 14 – 4 to KZN (depending on St Charles)
@Pedantic: With Rich coming back into contention after his enforced lay off and the 2nd team showing, going to be very interesting the teams selected for Saturday. I know who you are refering to and yes, quite outstanding. Trials in 2 weeks and the tention is there . Get all the boys to PMB that they think have a chance and then mix them up.
@Buffel: I felt a several of the 2-stripe players had great games – they could be challenging for a 1st team spot although the intensity is quite different. I noticed a nice lineout option there – I wonder if the coaches saw it too ?
@Pedantic: The boys did well considering the injuries. At home with the school support this weekend is just what the they need. St Charles are no push over and it should be entertaining but we have the real stern test 3 weeks time, away to College on Goldstones . Phew, our boys will have to be at the top of their game.
Dixon growing in confidence with every outing and with Visser back to anchor the scrum, should be evenly contested. Maddock had a stormer in the 2nd XV game at Hilton and has put his hand up to be counted.All in all a very encouraging performance from the pack .
@Gungets Tuft: Phew! So I guess a 6ft7 great grandmother may have kicked through? Damn, I feel sorry for the ballie she bullied all those years ago
@Pedantic: Hahaha, you are allowed to go back a generation or two and look for size. There’s always a clue somewhere, an uncle or great-uncle that was 110kg and 1.9m. The opposite can also be true, I am 1.85 and my son will have to sprout properly if he is to catch me up.
@Buffel: He won a weekend for three to the Cutty Sark! Wearing his nose and moustache disguise, but his confused array of rugby jerseys is giving him away.
@McCulleys Workshop: Where has Star disappeared to. I can say with pride that I am now 2-0 up in the trifecta with everything hanging on the KC/MHS game. Beet , as Star requested, please hand over the spoils should we do the treble.
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks for the heads up! Now where the hell was I in July 1996
@McCulleys Workshop: Think you may have the wrong guy … don’t recall any comment about Westville travelling to the midlands ?
@GreenBlooded: Surprised you knew about this issue for weeks – we knew boys were tested but I only found out on Wednesday about the unfortunate kid in question.
Happy to report that the mythical beast was absent @ Gilfillan this weekend – actually a very solid game – humble pie devoured
@Gungets Tuft: I often see these dads my size and moms even smaller with these huge kids..then I wonder…my son is now 20 turning 21 later this year…havnt been in a gym in his life and is a cricketer..but loves rugby as well…currently playing for Maties u/21 fullback weighing a mere 83 kgs..it can be done if the skills are there!
@Buffel: Amen
I can assure you that the parents had nothing to do with supplying the kid with Steroids or money to purchase the stuff. All on his own bat and he knows the effect he has had on himself,parents and fellow players.
The school has sent out a strong and clear message that taking steroids has it’s consequences and will not be tolerated.
If there are examples out there that have not had the correct censure then this is the time to sort it out. A 1 year ban is mandatory and you will be doing the kid a favour.
I have a mate who’s son has been taking the illegal stuff and it has now come back to haunt him in the form of testicular cancer and he is currently fighting for his life. 19 YEARS OLD.
Don’t do it!
@Gungets Tuft: I’ve noticed some of the Bovine stock effects particularly in one of the unions, it’s Bull S..t!
One Bovine is certainly looking beyond his sell by date.
@McCulleys Workshop: Ya, well, snot as if I am looking for the stuff, I am afraid of taking PEDs in the very likely event that I still come last and have to face the facts, gnome sane? …. This way I can pretend everyone else has “help”.
Seriously though, it’s terrifying. It’s not as if the okes are going to be picky a out what they get under the counter, it could just as easily be expired stock from the Onderstepoort Bovine unit. The effects will show themselves, the harm is now, symptoms later when it’s too late.
@Gungets Tuft: Ask the local marine corp cyclists (the pro’s who own their own businesses, train 25 hrs a week are all cock and ribs and compete in the Vets category) , gulp, ummm, and their Mother Theresa coaches, they’ll tell you where to go!
@McCulleys Workshop: Shows how naive I am. I assume illegally available though, they are still scheduled drugs??
So 6-4 to KZN, with 8 to play…..heating up nicely! 9 required to draw or 10 to win….
@Gungets Tuft: Very easily available from most pharmacies in DBN without a script, fact.
@GREENMASJIEN: They say Beatlejuice add another from Waterkloof.
@Grasshopper: My boy was at school with a doctors son, fairly well know Durban doctor, who has a smallish kid, just like my son. We were discussing it one day, how many parents would come into his office and ask about growth supplements. My mate would point out mom and dads size, explain a little about genetics, tell them to go home and give the boy 4 square meals a day, lots of sunshine, and he would grow as big as he was meant to be, knowing that the parents were just going to find another doc.
If you want to see which boys are on the juice, check them out next to their folks, apples never fall too far from the tree, if they land there it’s because someone has given it a kick. Obviously there are exceptions, sometimes you think that dad should check his travel diary 9 months before birthdate …
@BoishaaiPa: Ek dink ek was 2 jaar laas op 365. Die verskil tussen 365 en hier is amper soos boks teenoor MMA. Hier mag mens darem iemand skop en stoei instede van net boks.
Gelukkig mag ons nie hier onder die belt slaan of hare trek. Dalk is dit omdat die meerdere nie meer baie hare ( Star ) of iets onder die belt het om te tref ( Bog )
@Gungets Tuft: agreed! I saw a dad go into Dischem yesterday with his son who was maybe 13 or 14 and bought about a grand on supplements, what message does that give to the boy? Get bigger anyway you can! Instead of taking him down to the field and practicing passing, chipping, throwing, jinxing etc….I found it sad! The boy has not even had a chance to grow naturally…these supplements and steroids are expensive so wealthy parents required…
@McCulleys Workshop: I think the issues are completely separate and comparison is impossible. To quote Tim Minchin, this is like two tennis players trying to win a match by hitting perfectly executed shots from opposite ends of two different tennis courts.
We don’t know the whole story about the boy from JvR, I am not sure if the truth (if its different to what we already know) is going to make any difference now, not to Glenwood anyway, but it might for the boy involved – who is now at the blunt end of decisions probably largely made by parents and coaches. I feel for him.
The stories from KC, as scant as they are, are more questions than answers, and a young man is involved, probably seeing his school rugby career evaporate, even any chance of a pro career. That’s sad, and probably avoidable. Somewhere an adult is involved, aiding in supply, or condoning in turning a blind eye.
The only common thread is, to me anyway, adults behaving badly, advising kids badly. That’s the change in modern school sport I think, adults way too involved, with their own interests, whatever those might be, put above the welfare of the boy. JMO …
@Pedantic: @GreenBlooded: Pedantic, if Kearsney knew the result of a drug test was positive, and elected to continue to play the pupil, one game three games, that is not on. Period. That’s where the word suspended comes into play. If they needed to consult their counsel so as to be well armed against litigious parents, suspension still forms part of the vocab. The same applies to all schools. There is no comparison to the JK incident, just a creeping moral malais in the interest of winning and to the detriment of reputation. This applies to all schools. And yes being the host school somehow does compound this to my mind, and it would if it were My Alma Mater.
@Pedantic: what was your earlier comment about Westvilles trip to the Midlands?
@GreenBlooded: Injury list keeps growing. Visser still out and Hughes out with ligament damage to the ankle. Hall recieved stiches to a badly torn ear but will be fit for St.Charles fixture. On the plus side,Rich back in contention.
@Andre T: Ek en jy het nog nooit oor baie goed saamgestem nie,maar ek stem hierdie keer beslis saam oor daai Gav CT….ek sal jou en Spear, Beyers en al die Anties vir n naweek onthaal in die Kaap voor ek met daai man n conversation kan voer!..Nee o donner , hy weet net van alles te veel..selfs meer as jy!..HY het my so irriteer dat ek tot vandag toe nie R365 artikels lees nie want netnou comment hy daaroor en dan verloor ek dit weer…
@Pedantic: That’s an impressive bit of spin doctoring!! Mac Maharaj – step aside…… Don’t you think it’s a little more than conveniently co-incidental that this was dealt with a mere 2-3 days after KERF when you and me both know that his situation has been rumbling for quite a few weeks? Host school, drug cheats – not what you want during KERF is it? But good that it has been dealt with.
As for me condoning / defending what Glenwood have alegedly done – wrong! Please re-read my previous comments here: @GreenBlooded: here:@GreenBlooded: here: @GreenBlooded: and here:@GreenBlooded: . I really can’t make it any more linear for you.
On a completely separate topic – nice win for you up at Hilton today? I therefore trust that the mythical beast from the Midlands was not in attendance?
@Andre T: Ze name was Carleone. Blogging from ze Pizzario, Roma. Nokia 2210.
@GreenBlooded: There is a massive difference between these two incidents:
1. A teenage boy has made a poor decision – certainly not an isolated incident as we all know drugs are rife in SBR – a universal problem every school should be dealing with. It is however illegal to name and shame in this case.
2. A team of supposedly highly respected coaches / management & headmaster have made an appalling decision to bring in a player to a prestigious festival – in turn they have named (not shamed) the player by default and also once again shamed the name of their school. This IMHO is not a universal problem, but a Glenwood problem.
Two very different scenarios …
In scenario one a young player has been banned for a year .. in scenario two there is no sanction and Glenwood continue as if nothing ever happened.
Then guys like you come on here and whine about why their school gets hammered ? Open you eyes mate, when you defend nonsense like this, you’re effectively condoning it.
Northwood and School!!!!!! You BISCUITS!!!!! Valuable Grogper points in the bag. You stepped up to the plate today. Well done buggers…………
KERF
Affies , why was S.van H 8 , not present?
Nice work KZN, 2 unexpected points :-)…..also maybe another on Monday….
And Northwood beat Jeppe 31 – 17. Recalculation necessary. Northwood vs Parktown on Monday. If Northwood can reproduce their 2nd half today it should be KZN points.
A Nodthwood supporter said something here about Wiersma being a really good centre, we can debate that, but he played very nicely at fly half today in the latter stages. Might just have found his calling there.
Northwood beat Jeppe 31-17. Very unexpected?
Back to the original post. DHS beat Parktown 34-8. Does George Campbell vs Fourways High come into play?
@Andre T: AT was sy naam@rugbyfan: I dont know anything about this case but how do you loose respect in a good way? Just wondered. Anyway, welcome back, from wherever you were.
@GreenBlooded: In fact it is worth reading some of the schools anti drug policies. I’ve read KC’s and House’s. Seems like a life threatening event in the big black book. Amazing that it doesn’t seem to get dealt with that way. Maybe it’s my perception or just maybe there are silent expulsions! But having 3 kids in local high schools, the grape vine would be rattling a little louder if boys were silently expelled for getting a little help with their libido, oops, I mean muscle building.
@GreenBlooded: Amen
@McCulleys Workshop: We are starting to find common ground!!! Cheating in sport – in ANY form – is deserving of the highest sanction. Those involved – players, coaches and management – need to have VERY severe sanctions applied so that it sends a CLEAR message that it will not be tolerated. SBR is very very far from this ideal at the moment and I predict that it will result in tragedy before someone sits up and takes a stand.
@GreenBlooded: If any school knowingly plays a player that is taking PED’s they should be severely sanctioned. What are we posturing about? This is no different to being aware of Tom’s age and playing him (if that was the case). The fact that there seems to be no clear policy on Steroid use at school boy level is insane. A phone call to the parents and some wrist slapping teaches no life skills. Ban the player and ban any staff who knowingly turn a blind eye.
@rugbyfan: Not sure it’s a good idea to name and shame a high-school boy on a public forum like this. If you want to investigate the shenanigans at a school then fine – but this kid has a few years of school left and should be able to do so out of the spotlight.
If we are going to start a separate thread – then let’s call it “KERF Cheats” and deal with ALL those who cheated at KERF. Maybe we can get EG Jansen to make a call on who they felt most cheated by – the school who brought on a non-registered scholar off the bench or the school who played (at least one) boy who was on performance enhancing substances? And if the are going to sink so low as to name and shame the one kid – then in all fairness lets name and shame the other kid as well……..
@GreenBlooded: It seems JK’s friends dad had it wrong wrt to his age, he played WP trials this week so must only turn 18 this year.
@McCulleys Workshop: You should have just asked for Vrede there. He was probably being ‘lust’ somewhere
@BOG: Ek onthou vir Jock.
@Woltrui: Wollies, wat was jou naam nou weer op 365?
Beet: Firstly I think you should start a separate page for the issue of this “King” boy and maybe see if you can find out more facts on the this.
I am not sure what Glenwood thought they were doing here but all I can say is I have lost a lot of respect for them and I don’t mean that in a bad way.
“What on earth were they thinking”
@Andre T: Yes he still there as the “all knowing” expert. He and PD took exception when I told him to get off his boy friends lap when responding to my questions (That was one ban) and one ID down. The other was when I told them that NM cannot walk on water
I notice that I do have something in common with the “dysfunctional” Adams family. I was also banned by Dobson- still am, under 3 identities. On one and very short occasion, I had to make a “come back” as Jock. And unlike Andre T who has a whole warehouse of PCs, I had to use one that belonged to my son about 10 yrs earlier. It literally lasted no longer than a week before surrendering to the scrap heap
@Speartackle: Went to your wine estate recently, Vrede en Lust, Vrede wasn’t there sadly.
@beet: Jees Beet can’t remember. Something in the line of all Province supporters is a bunch of woosies or something in that line. Who would have thought? 8)
@Woltrui: What caused that reaction?
@Andre T: Ek twyfel of GAV CT sy gesig ooit op ‘n Skool rugby blog sal wys nadat jy en Ploegskaar hom so gevloek het. Ek moet se ou Ploegie het my ook darem al so sleg gese dat die see my nie kon afwas nie. Iets in die lyn van “pokkof terug na jou karavaan en vee die 6 kleintjies se neusies af”. My sielkundige gee my nou nog advies om oor daai enetjie te kom
@McCulleys Workshop: Is the cemetary also nearby? Gosh, I only saw old people there, those ones already in the departure lounge.
@Speartackle: Spear you are wrong, one highway leads to the Bestville prison, one to Queensburgh, about three lead to Chatsworth, and one to Reservoir Hills.
@GreenBlooded: I wonder if that Gav CT punk is still there?
@Speartackle: I think you okes ‘collectively’ must have taken a few years off of ou Paul Dobson’s life expectancy. I still have a folder full of emails from him. I wonder if he is happy that we all moved here or if he’d like us back?
@Andre T: Nee wat het mos ‘n nuwe girlfriend gekry. Dierbare ou siel en so gewillig. Moet se kan nie kla nie.
@Duppie: Is daai Scope nog so gesmudge?
@Andre T: Hy het seker alles geprint en lees dit nou op die toilet soos in daardie scope storie. Hoop dit is nog leesbaar.
@Duppie: Ek dink BHP sal so iets kan uitsnuffel.
Wat was daai storie nou weer van die hospitaal daar oorkant Pretoria Wes?
@Johan Beyers: Ja die lekker van onthou ne.
@Johan Beyers: Hahahahahahaha! That was classic!
@Duppie: Ek wonder of Andre nog al daai e mails het wat Paul Dobson vir hom gestuur het.
Ek dink die storie van Glenda en Oupa in die Scope se middelblad is nog die all time beste.
En dan daai Pniel storie is ook classic. Die eerste prys was mos Vryheid tot die Hollandse dorpie, Pnoes vir n leeftyd.
@Johan Beyers: Miskien kan ons Rugby365 vra om hul argief tot ons beskikking te stel. Dit behoort nogal vermaaklik te wees. Kan nie meer alles onthou nie.
@Speartackle: Remember how Andre T upset the 365 guys with his West Rand Diary. We must convince him to start it again.
@GreenBlooded: No seriously we were about 7. It was myself, Andre T, Johan Beyers, Bekommerd, Skipskop, Nonnie, Naartjie and then occasionally Festus February joined us when he came up from Hawston. It was like a get together of us all for sharing good times and bad times……you know like a cell group. Like that movie Rounders. So we decided to to join 365. We had a great time and got banned and Andre T got sued twice but it was good fun.
@GreenBlooded: Jamblikke Visblikke time?
@Speartackle: Oupa and Glenda
@Speartackle: Who is we? Don’t you mean I?
@GreenBlooded: We had a dungeon
@GreenBlooded: Hahahahahaaaaaa
@Playa: Not sure. I think beet limit’s people to only 2 identities each now or we would also have Nonnie, Festus, Bekommerd and a few others to deal with. I’m sure during the Rugby365 days that his dining room table resembled mission-control at NASA with all the different PC’s logged in.
@GreenBlooded: You’re not the only one who confuses those two. I still believe that they are The Beast’s alter ego
. Is he still banned? Or was he banned from ‘the other’ site?
@Gungets Tuft:
Replace the rabbit with a rat mate…and good luck stomaching 70 minutes with that creature in your naked hand 
@GreenBlooded: We are like Bubba and Watson
@Speartackle: I think the Dhaula Kuan is a better comparison.
Upper Highway boet. Kloof to be precise but Hillcrest is also not too bad. That’s the place to be. We look down (literally and figuratively) on the Westvillians from our lofty perch here at the top of Fields Hill where the weather is slightly milder, the humidity a few notches lower than the coast and life is generally a lot more relaxed. We also have a Virgin Active but no-one really feels the need to go there and judging by the number of times a day I’ve been clearing the trap in my pool filter this autumn – there are more leaves here than you can shake a rake at.
Give me a shout when you are in the area – I’m a chip and a putt from the Kloof Country Club – your scene. Or is it Andre T? Or both? Or does it matter?
@GreenBlooded: I once slept over in Westville. Couldn’t sleep. There are about 8 highways going through the suburb. All going nowhere. Gosh man, it’s like living in the middle of Giloolly’s interchange.
@ Spear-(painting of) You would be surprized at the views especially when the Virgin Active opens in the morning. GB is right about the leaves though. None of that kak red sand found in the Northern suburbs. And of course we have the finest school in the land on our doorstep and not a bad one a mere 10 kms away.
@Speartackle: Something about lot’s of leaves. Leafy suburbs. Or something like that…….
@star: Why do you stay in Westville? It’s like going to Kyalami and then watch motocross on TV.
Get a place with a view. La Lucia or Mt Edgecombe or even Tongaat. Mingle with the rich. Don’t understand you KXN’ers.
@Buffel: Well good luck on Gilfillan. Tedder, Dixon, Hall – playing out of their boots is default setting. What happened to Visser, Rich and Harris? All injured? When can we expect to see them back?
@Buffel: I’m hoping that is Johnnie Walker Blue and not Black ;-)
@GreenBlooded: going to be very tight. No Visser,Rich or Harris. Injuries have played a big part in the prep for this weekend. Lost Richie against Westville to a late tackle and he is out for the season. Tedder x3 ,Quenet,Dixon and Hall to play out of their boots
to make sure that I keep my bet with Star alive. Done the first-Westville. Second tomorrow and then the trifecta against MHS at home on founders day. Either way,a bottle of JWB will be consumed after the MHS game due to a long standing wager with Mr.W
@ Grassy- when we become obsessive are instincts get compromised. JK is a classic example. You ( and all schools) need to start doing the small things right. eg no garden knome.
But your boys were great at KERF and made as all very proud.That will never be lost. Some even found time to greet the old codger( not much to look at 
)Much appreciated so the big picture is very much still in play. Your astute headmaster is actually my neighbour in Westville so maybe I will jump the wall and have a cold one and shoot the breeze.
@star: Agree with you wholeheartedly! The management and coaches there seem to pull an Oscar everytime something happens, ‘I can’t remember’, ‘repeat the question’, ‘It was a mistake’, ‘It was an accident’ and ‘It was the police’, anything but accept it and say sorry we made a mistake it won’t happen again. However, they don’t seem to learn from their mistakes so should face the repercussions. Just like in business, 3 warnings and you out. It’s hypercritical really disciplining kids without allowing themselves to be. I still can’t believe this is allowed by an astute headmaster who has done so well in bringing the school back up to where it should be. Maybe it’s not him but some other bad egg, but in the end the buck stops with the head honcho! Come on Glenwood Old Boys speak up and let’s stop this from ruining our 104 year old institution!
@ McCulleys- you are 100 % right about the pushing of boundaries and the totally disregard for accountability when caught out. In fact the opposite occurs and the ante seems to be upped. We are currently faced with a political storm( think mansion on the hill) with very similar parallels. New depths are plunged and we get the firepool response. Maybe the reason we are critical is that we fancy said house and wish our boys could play there. Or just maybe we understand that the toxic process that has led to the executive and independent bastions being compromised cannot and should not be tolerated. By doing so we are not saying we are perfect or that other similar events have not occurred.But when you are prepared to put yourself so blatantly in the firing line please be man enough not to cry foul when you are hit.
You have been asked to lead a ” coalition of the willing”. That actually did occur when Westville,Hilton and House refused to play over the Marnegate episode.
You are also 100 % correct to question how coaches did not pick up on a boy playing 4 years outside his age group. If said coaches were asked to do a lie detector test and asked a simple question, I know where my money would be. The fact that higher powers could be complicit does not mitigate against the fact and for the record several bloggers did have suspicions.
The latest episode besides the ” medic” charging up and down the lines( effectively pushing the letter of the law again,) is JKgate which even Grassy has to admit was at best ill advised given the depth at GW. The fallout is that tournaments for smaller schools could be compromised if they feel they will be the target of certain schools.
Again I say that no school is perfect but it is the arrogance and lack of a response that so galls us. It would be really productive for us( inclusive of the greater SBR community,) if a concise articulate response could be put through the GW channels. That at least would show some form of respect.
@Grasshopper: Staples .. lost, or left out .. hahhahhaaa .. nope. His marketing team is almost as good as he is a rugby player. Not too many stones unturned in the quest for a career there. No harm, no foul, but I wouldn’t worry if I were you. Unfortunate for those used as stepping stones, but such is life I guess.
@Playa: I will stroll across the road on Saturday, with hat and rabbit if you think it will help. They have the pack to do it, and the individual talent in the backs, but can they fire on the day …
@Buffel: Indeed! Are the boys feeling confident for their encounter with Hilton this weekend? How is the team looking? Any changes from the team that played at KERF?
We looking forward to a good weekend in Durban. Hopefully the weather plays its part and it’s a good game tomorrow. Good luck to both teams, I am sure the Northwood boys will be pumped for this game on their home ground. The forward battle should be interesting with both packs being very physical. Jeppe’s back line in my opinion should be the difference between the 2 sides.
@Westers: if only Glenwood had managed to convince Staples to stay on until end of matric this would never have happened. I fear Staples will get lost in the English club system…
Northwood are going to need a miracle to beat Jeppe, but home advantage and keep it in the forwards playing Bulls rugby, then who knows! Go Knights!
@Ploegskaar: U19? Eish.
@Buffel: Northwood will have to pull a rat out of a hat to beat Jeppe.
@Dixon’s: I saw the games on Saturday and Monday and was told that he was the boy who came on as a sub for Jaco on the Saturday and started in his place in the Monday game.
Back to the point of rugby this weekend. Please Northwood and DHS do us a huge favour and put one over the GEMS sides. We need every point and it would tilt the balance well in our favour if we got positive results.
I think DHS have a chance but Northwood have a huge task ahead of them. Watched Jeppe at Grey and they were very impressive.
@Dixon’s: You are 100% correct, there are still details that must be filled in, but this should happen here or elsewhere in due course. Hopefully we will then all be clear on how and who contacted him, what was offered to him and agreed to, was it a short or long term deal and why did he move back. I am good friends with the JvR sponsor who’s son also plays with the boy for the JvR 1st team, while Tony has a good relationship with the JvR coach and manager.
I am the first to admit that it takes two to tango, but with or without the details, moving a boy, that turns 19 this year, from CT to DBN when he can only play opponents outside KZN (probably Seccies in the league games), does not sit right with me. Neither should it with you.
@Gungets Tuft: hear hear…
Get that man a Bells!
KZN Rugby Union Council president, Graham Mackenzie, said all U16 and U18 players who took part in the main trials to represent the province have been cleared to play.
“Over 320 boys were put through a full check, and we can report that eight boys were found to be in conflict with the age restrictions. Those individuals have been withdrawn from the teams, trials and in many cases have left their schools.”
“It’s a really unfortunate saga and my personal sorrow is that if this sort of thing has happened in the past, then some players who were of age may well have been precluded from representing their province. That would be a very sad story,” said Mackenzie yesterday.
The 11 heads who submitted their players for clearance are Durban High School, Glenwood High School, Kearsney College, George Campbell Technical, Westville Boys’ High School, Northwood, Hilton College, St Charles, Michaelhouse, Clifton and Maritzburg College, although it is understood promising players from other schools were also checked.http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/kwazulu-natal/how-heads-bust-the-school-rugby-cheats
@McCulleys Workshop: Were you suspicious?
If it wasn’t obvious to spectators and pundits like those on this forum, why would the question be asked internally. He was picked for KZN trials, then CW, then SA Schools, so there are a lot of gates at which someone could have picked it up, but nobody did, so it’s not just Glenwood in the lights here.
Now – as far as drugs is concerned – I am willing to bet that there is not a school supporter here that doesn’t have the “please, please, don’t let it happen to us” thought going through their mind. It doesn’t need school collusion, 9/10 of the kids using them don’t even do sport, but it is rife. Testing is expensive, so scant. As far as I can see they draw a number (or 6) and then test. Kids get caught, and it gets “sorted out”, invariably a call to the parents who are shocked, or sometimes “shocked” (if your son puts on 20kgs in a year, it’s not broccoli doing it), they promise to sort it out and it generally goes away. Kids get expelled – and the law prevents publication of the names, and the law compels another school to take them in – if you live in the area, take a seat, schools cannot decline.
I can give names that I have heard over the last 18 months (one from College even – expelled), and then from other KZN schools. I see no “profit” in that. But we can tippy-toe around it in some cases (as GB is doing, because I know exactly who he is talking about), but I will bet (once again) that there are people reading this blog saying a silent little prayer that nobody blabs.
But I agree one one thing, it seems as if the abnormal interest in Glenwood results in them being outed before any other school. I thought I knew more about them because I know so many Old Boys there, and so many current kids, but it seems it is not that, unless we are all in the same position. And I do think Glenwood can be plain clumsy sometimes – and then it causes issues. Like this whole discussion ….
Has anyone actually verified the Stoops story? Which by the authors own admission was rushed!
I will join my fellow old boys in saying that if it is true it must be condemned!
When say the following please keep in mind that I use pretty strong glasses and my eyesight isnt great….. I didnt see anyone resembling this JvR player on Saturday or Monday playing for Glenwood (I wasnt there for the Thursday game) am I mistaken? Or is it being put forward as fact that he played?
I heard the Glenwood boys caught were doing it for image (attracting girls) only and were not involved with rugby at all. Also heard they were all expelled. Another rumour is they got their stuff from a pupil at another well known school around the corner in the leafy suburbs. The Kearsney rumour started a few weeks back and does include rugby players. Again, all grapevine stuff so not sure how close to the truth it really is. I agree with Greenblooded though, it gets tiring when Glenwood becomes the scapegoat for everything. Hilton poach a number of players, it’s seen as acceptable. Northwood bring in a virtual 1st team, it’s seen as development….but if Glenwood do something it’s this huge issue and schools must pull out of fixtures. All we want is balance here. I don’t condone alot of the rumours there at all, in fact it disturbs me as an Old Boy. If I have a son one day will I consider Glenwood as an option, well I would need to think really hard if this sort of shenanigans is going on then…..hopefully not..
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: That’s quite hubris, I mean humorous. Seems like the dentist didn’t deaden all the nerves? Well, I didn’t hear of a drug bust at the Ville, or GHS College or KC, that was wrist slapped so I can’t comment, what I can tell you is that my kids are very close to a GW 2013 matric and CW player who resided in the BE and have had first hand info on the topic, culture esv. So anti GW and it’s boys or OB’s, not at all, just piss poor judgement calls by its management. Don’t defend them, nor any of the other schools that enter the league of murkiness, just front up to it as a supporter. GW are constantly at the epicentre of fringing the concept of fair play. What’s the message?
@McCulleys Workshop: Not going to ressurect the Tom discussion. Anecdotal.
Tell you what – why don’t you lead the charge? House is probably the most squeaky clean school around – and I mean that sincerely – and you seem to be close to the core there. Why don’t you lead the charge to not play Glenwood until they tow the line? Get the other squeaky clean schools to join your ‘coalition of the willing’? Let’s see how many are prepared to ‘haal uit en wys’ when it comes to the crunch as to how clean a virginal they all really are?
You ask if any GW culprits in the 2013 ‘drug bust’ played at Kearsney this year? I wonder why you don’t ask the same question of some of the other KZN schools who participated there? Inconvenient truths!! The silence is deafening. Maybe if they won all there games it would be more relevant!! Think Bru. Don’t just run with the sheep……..
@McCulleys Workshop: I agree with you. Glenwood has no PR at all, they don’t even run their Twitter account. The basics of spelling in articles is not even checked. Whoever is Head of Marketing & PR is doing a shocking job. All this kak could easily be put to bed by giving the facts in short and succinct statements signed by TK. Instead they just hope it goes away. Their position is the school sells itself, I don’t agree. They should use Jordy Smith, Kyle Cooper, Greg Nicol, Ivan Clarke, Sias Du Plessis, John Allan and others to endorse the school on social media and build it up. KES, Westville and others do this really well. It’s so basic to do too…..it’s frikkin frustrating for me as a professional in digital media…
@Gungets Tuft: and that he was possibly 20 or 21 when he made Grant Khomo for UNDER 16’s. The question that begs answering is this, at no stage during his sojourn at the Machine, were any of the staff or management suspicious?
@GreenBlooded: Well I guess too much time in the spot light for some of the right and definitely some of the wrong reasons creates this. From my perspective GW’s PR machine is stuck on mute. If you keep quite for long enough it will all go away, mmmm not quite, we just create our own versions of the story and that’s what we remember. TK while revolutionising an already good school, from my perspective has done the ostrich when strong clear leadership has been needed, and with that a clear statement of correcting any wrongs and dealing with misconceptions. But it seems like they operate within a Sicily framework, that being a law unto themselves. I don’t disapprove of their actions because they achieve well on the sports field, I disapprove of their stupidity and arrogance, period.
@GreenBlooded: Meant to add, Tom possibly remembered because he was the only SA Schools player on the list?
@GreenBlooded: I can only remember Mbembe Payi at DHS
@McCulleys Workshop: No bru. Not saying that at all. Just commenting on the inordinate quantity of adverse publicity Glenwood seems to get for it’s (above average) incidents of offensive practices in the SBR sphere. Not trying to make Glenwood look good or anyone else look bad – I’m over that. You asked why. I’m also asking why.
Are GW the ONLY offenders in respect of: Overage Players, Substance Abuse, Recruiting Players? No? Then why do they attract 90% of the negative publicity? Question everything mate. Remove yourself from your comfort zone. Tall Poppy syndrome. Think!!!!
Siyabonga Tom and Glenwood are the recruiting poster subjects for the over-age cheats. Yet at the same time that Tom was discovered, 2 boys were discovered at another school? I wonder if anyone can remember their names? Or which school? If not – why not?
@GreenBlooded: What you are actually saying is that Glenwood are actually very honest when caught with their pants down (which has been rather often) or they have kuk masking techniques to disguise their ill doings, and should look to employ Lance Armstrongs doctors and lawyers? Kearsney are just less honest when caught out and employ better masking agents. Ya right, you are always in the middle of the shit. Why? And what happened with last years drug bust and is one of the culprits playing this year???
@Andre T: Yep, very much so thanks. So it was you all along posting dodgy pics of me at the beginning of Movember….thought it was. I asked the surgeon to sort me out so imagine how bad it was prior to that
What’s that story about Leopards and spots…….
@GreenBlooded: We got my son in there in an emergency in the time it took us to drive from PMB Mediclinic to Durban. He is a mensch and makes room if he needs to. In 3 hours we saw him, he looked at the CT Scan results (scared me out of 10 years growth) got us a MRI scan within the next hour, waited till the MRI was done and went through that with us. Then gave us the all clear (crushing headaches after a concus .. er .. brain injury), and as a bonus diagnosed chronic sinus problems (hence the headaches).
@Grasshopper: Boob job and facial reconstruction. Seems like a 50/50 shot you might end up looking like a t#t. :-)
@Grasshopper: After I saw your pic on Twitter I’m not so sure about that surgeon.
Just joking Grassy
It’s been 3 years now………….married life still exciting?
If you want a boob job for your wives or any sort of cosmetic surgery go to Mr Dumas at Entabeni, sorted my face and jaw our properly after my attack…
@Gungets Tuft: Problem with Mike Du Trevou is that I think there is a 6 month waiting list to see him – but the oke is a machine. Definitely regarded as the top NS in KZN and probably one of the best in SA. Removed a tumour from my late old-man’s spinal column many years back.
@GreenBlooded: I totally understand where you’re coming from.
@Playa: Yes point taken. My objective was not to point fingers elsewhere – but I did need some anecdotal evidence to back up my contention. GW are no angels – but neither are most other schools and they all have their own little skeletons as you put it. What is glaringly skewed though are the scathing comments directed at Glenwood when they cross the line and very often those shouting the odds do not have very clean pantries themselves. Hypocrits!! Can’t be enjoying them whatever side of the fence they are on.
@GreenBlooded: Usually, when my wife has done something wrong and I pluck up the balls to confront her about, a miracle happens. All these skeletons of mine are brought up and she asks that I be consistent and practice what I preach…that’s when I walk to the fridge and crack open 340ml of Charles Glass’s greatest achievement.
Point is, we have all established that there has been quite a substantial amount of ‘hate’ directed at GW…they bought their success, they are age cheats, they run Sharks rugby…the list is endless. Unfair or not a lot of this is based on empirical evidence (from those in the know). A consequence of a tall poppy catching a breeze indeed.
Coming from a man who is (much) younger than you, and respects our blogs (especially in defence of refs), don’t point a finger back at Westville. If they got away with things then, believe they will not in future. And this is based on their supporters’ views of their recent scouting efforts. GW are no longer the only tall poppy
@Westers: Wasn’t having a go at you or Westville. It’s just the inconsistency in the flak that Glenwood seems to get for very similar crimes. The Westville incident (and once again – I don’t know the facts of either case so please correct me) took place at the SAME festival in the SAME manner – yet hardly anything was said. Substances: Glenwood cops it despite taking drastic action, Kearsney sweep it under the carpet and we don’t hear a peep. Overage players – Glenwood makes front page news, Westville has a rolled ankle. The list goes on and on. I’m not defending what Glenwood have done – but I’d love to see a bit of consistency in the criticism and a little less hypocrisy in some circles. A consequence of a tall poppy catching the breeze I guess.
@GreenBlooded: I think Kyle Lubbe was the guy and he came from Gelofte if I am not mistaken. I don’t know all the facts around that instance but I am not going to try and defend it.
Refer my comments above re the Hudson Park imports. You will see I am not a supporter of this type of activity – no matter which school it is.
If Tony has the facts right then that is an absolute disgrace. Making a mockery of the SBR system we have all grown up with. No winners were ever going to come from that arrangement. Wouldn’t blame the 2nd team loose forward for finding another school at all. Unfortunately he won’t because he probably loves playing for his school and all he wants is to get in the first team jersey he’s worked for since 2nd form.
Hopefully everyone has it wrong otherwise some serious repercussions need to be seen.
@valke: I accepted it whole heartedly. We were not in the from the first whistle. Just making a comment on the boy’s hard/dirty play. It isn’t necessary. He will hurt someone that could end their season or even worse, their career. He had a go at my son but it came to nothing , luckily.
Sensasie….sensasie….sensasie.
Julle KXN’ers sit nou almal penregop soos poedeltjies met natneusies en kan nie wag om Glenwood te stenig.
Bekommer julle eerder oor julle stoutgat bedorwe kleinkinders op ander kontinente.
Of vind uit wie was Sons of Ghadaffi’s Barmitzvah Band se baskitaarspeler.
I’m still in shock!Tjo!
I doubt Dale will have anything to say, unless the boy scored all 19 points for Glenwood in that first half
From what I have been told, we lost fair and square, and would have lost without young JK anyway.
@GREENMASJIEN: Please stop speaking in tongues and let us know of the facts if these rumours are incorrect.
GREENMASJIEN and Andre T both have a point here – we dont know the full detail and certainly if a kid does not like the setup he has chosen or been recruited to – by all means he should be able to walk away. IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I think the bigger issue here is the modus operandi – it does not seem normal for a bloke to walk into a first team without having attended school first. Ask any oke who is playing his heart out at 2nds and hoping for a call-up.
Whatever happens next is for now the unknown detail – point is that the initial play seems off.
The sad part is that GW did not need this – they were awesome enough – lets not forget that…
@GreenBlooded: Eeisch. He was unconcious. They need to discuss this with a neurosurgeon. Medical people don’t even talk about “concussion” any more, they talk about various degrees of brain injury. I am not saying that they are wrong playing him, I hope that they have had the RIGHT people make the decision, not coaches, parents, or the boy himself. I will chat to you when we next see each other about a young man that died IN MY CARE .. from a series of “concussions” that lead to unknown – until the autopsy (and completely inoperable) brain damage. It gives me the horrors … only years later will the real damage become evident. Out of this discussion … I really, really hope they have followed the best medical protocol they can find – Du Trevou at Parklands, and an MRI, spring to mind.
@GreenBlooded: I think Westville already got their fair share of flak for the imports brought into the 1st XV this year – even by their own supporters!
I agree – all schools have their own skeletons but somehow get away with their eloquent ways (Hilton Gr10 recruitment). GW are like the naughty sh!t in the classroom who gets blamed for anything that goes wrong, simply because they are so blatant.
WRT banned substances – what happened with the massive bust at Glenwood late in 2013? Seems that was all kept “schtoop” ?
@GreenBlooded: Try tell that to the old man
@Gungets Tuft: I spoke to Jaco on Monday and he said he would be playing at WK. Not sure how clever that is – he said the concussion was ‘mild’. Not sure of the protocol for that.
@Westers: I’m sure I recall Westville doing something similar at Kearsney a year or 2 ago – fielding a player who had not been in class yet. Ring any bells for anyone? Not defending Glenwood at all here because I don’t know the facts – but it would be nice if this blog was equally scathing of other schools who fall short of ethical standards – such as boys who use performance enhancing substances, the results of the tests are kept schtoop and the boys in question keep playing. I don’t like what Glenwood does from time to time but they seem to attract a very disproportionate ammount of flak for their sins while the sins of others are never heard of.
@Roger: although I do not agree with this approach, for reasons already mentioned above, I can assure you that EG did not loose against Glenwood because of this.
Glenwood still used their opportunities better and deserved to win.
@Pedantic: There is no way that can happen at Primary School Level.
@Buffel: I must agree with you that his decipline needs some urgent attention, but don’t for one moment think this was only coming from one side.
I suppose you also think the yellow card, that led to one of the best individual tries of the festival being disallowed, was also correct ??
please accept your loss and move on.
@Roger: although I do not agree with this approach, for reasons already mentioned above, I can assure you that EG did lot lose against Glenwood because of this.
Glenwood still used their opportunities better and deserved to win.
Can’t see any wrong with a good player moving to a prominent school and then not finding his feet and move back.
FFS Spear was in Affies for one day in the res and left the next day cause he wasn’t allowed to go to the Jorrisen street Spur that night. The food was not edible in the res so what other choice did he have. He then also rolled the prefect and walked all the way to the train station and came back to Vrede.
I’m just hoping this does not become a trend.
@Buffel: Ja, knew about him getting knocked out. My “worry” was more that someone would let emotion rather than reason rule the decision to play or not. Happy to see it is reason.
@Gungets Tuft: got a knock at KERF and will be out for a minimum of 10 days. Concussion. Courtesy of E.G.Jansen no 5. Dirty is not the word. Was lucky to stay on in the KC game. A lot of off the ball stuff and elbows,knees etc on the KC boys.
Regarding why the boy went back? 18 in gr 10 will certainly not do the matric results any good. If I can conclude a bunch of assholes at Glenwood. Point.
@Buffel: Are they resting Jaco?
I know it’s not good news for the boy himself, or for Glenwood, but it is good to see (un)common sense prevailing, and the best interests of Jaco being looked after. He has another 10 – 12 years of rugby to look forward to, the next 3 weeks are an important break.
Doesn’t sound great. Feel for the boy left out who could have had a taste of festival rugby and more importantly,playing for his school 1st xv,which to any boy is the pinnical of his school rugby career. We all make comment on how Glenwood are the bad guys here but we don’t know the facts behind the rumours. Let us get to the bottom of this and then make comment. Would we be having this same debate if the boy had stayed on-probably not
Anyway if he was for hire,why is he not going to Wildeklaawer where Glenwood play against Waterkloof and Outeniqua. His services would surely be needed there with Jaco taking a break.
Glenwood, Glenwood, Glenwood…why do this to yourselves, the boy, the poor second team oke and KZN school boy rugby. It’s scandalous behaviour that boggles the mind. In a serious school, heads would be rolling.
@Westers: Thanks, although those may be a bit too far. Looks like it will have to be Northwood.
@Vin: The two big games this weekend are both in the Midlands. Hilton host Kearsney and Michaelhouse host Westville.
@GREENMASJIEN: The school deserves no respect in this. They chose to select the boy for KERF. They could have left him out and given him time to “settle” at school, in the BE and in a lower side before promoting him. No respect deserved in my book and none will be given in this regard.
And before you say those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, Westville imported two boys from Hudson Park at the end of last year in G10. They are now in G11 and walked into the 1st team having never played another game in any other team for Westville. I have gone on record before and I will do so again. It was a disgusting decision and not something Westville should be proud of. They too have deprived boys who are in their fifth year at the school of achieving a dream of representing the 1st team.
sorry to change the subject I’m in the Durban vicinity this weekend and was hoping to catch some SBR any suggestions…I know Jeppe are playing Northwood any other games?
@Pedantic: You are spot on. It is the 2nd team boys that miss out that those concerned need to think about.
@Pedantic: I think that’s the whole story. Grassy talks about “haters”, but KERF this year lead to almost universal compliments for Glenwood. Just starting to recover from the negatives of the past couple of years and they swallow their own tongues again.
It’s not even that the boy played, but the “veni, vidi, vici ….. Bye” nature of it.
At worst it’s blatantly mercenary, at best it’s terrible research by Glenwood and then a sudden change of sentiment.
@GREENMASJIEN: Is there any empathy for the son / parent / family of the 2nd team utility forward that missed out on an opportunity to represent the school he’s attended for years at one of the most prestigious festivals in the country?
Always more than 2 sides to a story, but Glenwood always seem to manage to create these “dark comedy/tragedy” scenarios.
A real pity as they were the team of the tournament at KERF and in all likelihood would have done the same without JK – just takes the shine off the trophy.
@GREENMASJIEN: Cool, so the schools that lost to the Glenwood Barbarians side at KERF can expect a statement from Glenwood giving the facts then?
I think you would be surprised how well the facts are known and understood, but your point is taken, lets see Glenwood’s statement and then judge. If Glenwood decide to NOT clarify, then they are partly at fault for all the rumors.
@GREENMASJIEN: what are the facts then? You seem to know what went on! Why is an 18 year old in grade 10 moving to Glenwood from an unknown school in the Cape? Bizarre!
I know a touch of empathy would be a bit of a stretch, but what if this was the course of events in your son/daughter’s life , would you be OK with it?
Nobody should be OK with it , when being HONEST.
As a show of RESPECT for the school, the boy and his family , no hot air public debate should be had with out knowledge of the firsthand facts.
My point , speak or write with INTEGRITY or keep quiet.
@GreenBlooded: Thanks for the clarification – as you probably know, I’m aware of this as I recently had to look into the document wrt to an U11 player wanting to play U13 at school – a player who you know and actively coach.
From what I can see, an U11 can’t play U13 but the documentation is unclear so the coach / parents will submit schedule A and see what happens.
Here we go……roller coaster has reached the top and heading downwards. Thank goodness no one coach or headmaster makes a school, they come and go. Hopefully whoever is next has more morals and ethics than the win at all costs lot there now. It’s very sad for me to see. I would rather lose every game than win with underhanded tactics….or blatant cheating!
@Slam: Let’s rephrase that, how did GW know about him in the first place, or was there someone with GW ties at the festival that knew of their situation and recommended him?
There is absolutely no reason why a boy from Jan van Riebeeck would go to Glenwood, if he was not approached! None what so ever!
@GREENMASJIEN: So the boy plays 1st team for JvR on Saturday, arrives in Durban on his life changing move on Monday, runs out for Glenwood 1sts on Thursday, Saturday and Monday, then is back in class at JvR on Tuesday. You’re ok with that?
Just another lad missing home and changing his mind?
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@GREENMASJIEN: did Glenwood approach the boy after the Tony Stoops Festival?
@GREENMASJIEN: Is there something you know that most of us don’t
Not accept what? Unite to do what?
People do what they do for their own selfish reasons , nobody put a gun to his head and nobody was going to stop any person from changing their mind.
Their is nothing more to it , people make decisions , their own decisions , people change their minds , their own minds. There are so many other variables at play that you probably know nothing of , family , preference , girlfriends , academics , language , the taste of cement etc. etc. etc.
How could you possibly lay the blame with the top schools in the country, for attracting the top talent in the country.
There is no BE in the country that does not have boys leaving within the first few days of having arrived at the BE , for whatever reason.
I’m finding it very hard to support my alma mater after another bit of unacceptable occurrence…..Gosh I’m passionate about Glenwood and it’s success but how can anyone with any sense support this anymore. Old boys need to unite and not accept this anymore!
Read the story now, not sure if Tony has all the facts but it does reflect badly on Glenwood. This is not what Glenwood Old Boys and the school stands for. It’s unacceptable really. Are the coaches & headmaster plain stupid! Do they not learn from previous errors? The guy was never needed there is tons of depth at Glenwood. Why did the boy go in the first place? Surely his parents would have seen through it and why did Jan Van Riebeeck allow it. It just adds fuel to the Glenwood haters fire….dumb asses!
Unbelievable. If I was one of the 3 teams that lost to GW this weekend I would be kicking up a huge fuss.
@Pedantic: Just to clarify your statement: The U18 age-band does not include U16 players automatically – U16 players wanting to play in the U18 age band need to have an accepted Schedule A (all positions) as well as an accepted Schedule B (front row players).
What is also a little known requirement in the U19 age band is that while it includes U17, U18 and U19 players, U17 players playing in front row positions must also have accepted Schedule A and Schedule B documents. This has not been enforced up until now but there has been a recent directive that these documents must be made available pre-match for U17 front row players in an U19 age band match.
@Gungets Tuft: HOLY SHAMROCK PIE!!!!!
@Gungets Tuft: good Lord – now I have heard/read it all! I wonder if Dale, EG Jansen etc knew about this at KERF? Unbelievable – 1st XV jerseys for hire – really feel for the all those players who sweated blood to pull one of those jumpers on. Shame on you Glenwood
@Grasshopper: While you were napping …
http://www.stoopstats.co.za/
zzzzzzzzzzzz!
@Ploegskaar: Moenie worry, ou Tjoppa was al op n one night stand met skoonma. Sy het hom toe gelos vir ek kan nie mooi onthou. Ek dink dit was Sewes of Hercules. Kon dalk vir Panjo ook gewees het. Sy was op n staduim deur die hele 365. Greyoom bly nog haar gunsteling.
@Ploegskaar: Sal nie werk nie Shirley is ‘n dame. Sy noem dat die only some she does is handsome.
@Andre T: Gaan jy nie mors nie. Of is jou glas altyd half leeg.
@Tjoppa: Sy skoonma sal Shirley se gal werk.
@Tjoppa: Mag ek daai stretch tussen Christiana en Warrenton langs die kombi draf?
@Gungets Tuft: In hindsight you could have drafted some idle players from Outeniqua, Oakdale, Gym and Boland in, school benefits, players stay fit and success guaranteed for the minimal outlay of airfare, food and drink, and match fees. You guys have been sleeping!
@Andre T: Sien jou Sondagmiddag. Die kombi se top spoed is 85 so as ons Maandag betyds wil wees sal ons Sondagmiddag vroeg in die pad moet val.
@Grasshopper: The only holes left seem to be the assholes.
@Ploegskaar: Ag ou Ploegie as ou AndreT die tyd het sommer beide. Ou Shirley sal sy gal werk.
@Ploegskaar: I have no idea, maybe he was accepted in the school, the other KZN schools said we won’t play him and he was told to head back….I don’t really know. It’s unacceptable but we don’t know the full story. Why would he leave VR for KZN when he was just voted best forward at the Tony Stoops festival…..whatever the case I believe he has gone. What other holes and issues can you pick at Glenwood….?
@Tjoppa: Ek hoop jy bedoel saamkom?! Of is jy op verkeerde blog?
@Ploegskaar: As a roll on
@Andre T: With the void created, obviously as a loosie. Run on, or on the bench? No need to shave though, match is not televised. And bonus, you can dop with the Noord-Kaap players afterwards, they are all about your age.
@Tjoppa: Moenie laat wees.
@Andre T: Mag ons saam kom?
@Ploegskaar: Rather ask the KAXN’ers………I like Glenwood
I’ll be there Monday………on the B field……….11h00…….in a green jersey
@Ploegskaar: While we are at it can we get a pay-scale thingie as well. Is it an hourly, or daily rate, or a match fee. Perhaps just a bed and a hot meal …
Never know, we might be able to afford a Barbarians setup … just for special occasions. Wouldn’t want to make a habit of it ..
@Andre T: A couple of days as in 3 Rugby Festival days, a school week of 5 days, or just for 1 game, on 1 Saturday. There are varying degrees of unacceptability, please choose one of the above or state other, if worse
@Grasshopper: Ask Beet or your informants………it was a couple of days……..if it’s a secret
@Andre T: I do know the carrot top/ginger-ninja 5FM and cricket pundit Sias Du Plessis was at Glenwood for 5 years a few years below me….KZN Schools opening bowler, very quick!
@Andre T: I have no idea…
@Pedantic: It was not a Sharks Union initiative.
@Ploegskaar: Vra vir Grasshopper hoe lank was Andre Esterhuizen in Glenwood.
@Grasshopper: So the first proper SBR mercenary, so to speak?
@Pedantic: Question is if he ever was in a Glenwood classroom. One thing’s for sure, he is in a JvR classroom today.
@Grasshopper: One wonders if he was given an opportunity to show his skills to the Sharks scouts – it’s not as if Glenwood are struggling with depth.
Very strange situation.
@Pedantic: Seems it was a ‘loan’ deal
@Grasshopper: Your new #19 that played off the bench at KERF.
@Pedantic: Ah him, went back to Van Riebeeck already :-)
@Ploegskaar: I wonder if he is in a Glenwood classroom today
@GreenBlooded: The problem is fragmentation – Port Natal, Werda and Gelofte have really small open squads even when you include their Under 16’s.
The 2013 Gelofte 1st XV coach was telling me he had an open squad of less than 40 to work with – including all his U16’s – keeping in mind tier 2 schools are limited to Under 18 which opens the door for U16 players to compete and conversely removes any U19’s from the teams.
@Ploegskaar: Who is he?
Johan King, now that’s really a confusing name.
@GreenBlooded: Yep, in their hay days Gelofte, Port Natal and Werda could compete with the big English schools down the line, maybe not to E team but to C team at least. Also, Andries Pretorius and Dirkie Uys on the Bluff, both now closed. Also, Suid Natal, AHDN (Afrikaans Hoer Durban Noord) and others….real pity….a dying language in KZN it seems…
@Vleis: Yep, was just making it perfectly clear to those who do not know this. Glenwood High School by it’s own name indicates an English school. The new age schools seem to assume it’s Afrikaans by some of the rugby players…..but again a surname means nothing either…John Smit & Juan Smith are classic examples…
@Pedantic: I do wonder why that is so? There seem to be enough decent Afrikaans speaking players around for there to be 2 or 3 Tier 1 Afrikaans medium schools in the greater Durban area – and Afrikaners are well known for their rugby pedigree. Interesting!
@Grasshopper: Over the past few years I have noticed a growing trend of Afrikaans boys in all the KZN tier 1 schools.
I was chatting to a Westville parent at KERF and he said the majority of the Westville U16A team is made up of Afrikaans boys – several from Gelofte and Port Natal.
Without a tier 1 Afrikaans school in the province, any decent rugby player needs to go to an English medium school in KZN – I notice the 2010 KZN U13 flyhalf (Rust) was representing GCB at KERF, so that is the only other alternative for aspiring rugger boys.
@Grasshopper: Hook, line and sinker Grassy.
I see that your beloved NAMS has top spot on the BHP raining. Congrats!
@Vleis: Again, the school is English medium and all lessons (except Afrikaans of course) are in English and exams are written in English….Afrikaans home language boys come to English schools these days in KZN, a fact of life. You telling me all English schools have only English home language boys in their teams….don’t even joke. Glenwood in fact have more Zulu and Xhosa home language boys in their teams. Fact is Glenwood is English no matter what they speak amongst themselves and at home. Westville, College etc all have Afrikaans home language players…it should maybe be called NEAXZMS and GEAZSXEMS?
Eish. The Grogper Cup might be heading to Natal this year. The GEMS needed the two points that St Alban’s provided last year via wins over St Charles and Hilton…but there are no Grogper games for St Alban’s this year.
I thought that the GEMS would be 5-3 or even 6-2 up by now, but PBHS is weaker, Saints is significantly weaker and Hilton is stronger than I expected.
@Grasshopper: You talk about GEMS milking it…when your school has less English players in its 1st team than Monnas!
I see that you call our schools GEMS, but don’t have a name for your schools. Is that because many would be called NEAMS? 
@Redblack White: I like it, seems far fairer as the GEMS milk their 2 strongest schools and we only use Glenwood once in the fixtures…..not saying they are strongest as have not played College yet, but certainly 2nd at least..
@Redblack White: And……..to exclude this discrimination against the afrikaans Gauteng schools just because we don’t have an english bus service. I wonder what Putco is………Vietnamese?
In the interest of some healthy debate (and general boredom and a certain measure of facetiousness) I have some thoughts on the Grogper point system:
No recognition is given to the well- documented, scientifically proven and universally accepted
BHP ranking formula – so e.g. DHS is a category 3 school, beaten by KES and PBHS, both category 4 schools, for 1 point each – similarly Glenwood (5) beat Jeppe (4) and Hilton (3) beat St Stithians (2) etc.
My suggestion is that we apply the BHP formula to these games, whereby recognition is given to DHS losing to PBHS and also PBHS score bonus points for the >30 points victory – also the very close games will earn some bonus points for the losing team.
The same category match-ups will be unaffected, unless they are big hidings or small losses, in which case the bonus points will weigh in.
Big prize for the GEMS will be our wingmen – the Green Machine – 5 points if you can beat them
By my untested reasoning above, and unanimous over-rule, I declare having re-run the numbers and right now KZN have it by 16,35 points to 16,1 – no such thing as all square Beet
I expect Jeppe to beat Northwood and maybe Parktown can upset the apple cart and put one over DHS. St Davids St Charles and St Johns Michaelhouse could go either way. Kearsney will beat Saints easily and then it’s all down to KES and PBHS v College and Westville – gulp!
Fingers crossed, we can’t have the mine dump rats winning again….
@Gungets Tuft: In your words…ja well no fine…But I’ll stick to my guns.College have the upper hand here, ceteris paribus.
@Playa: Hmmmm …. at KES, on their Reunion day. Big ask. Need to hope for an unscathed team coming out of a fairly hectic schedule, with Wildclover in there. The boys have got what it takes though, some good fortune would not go amiss.
KZN will take this…judging from current form. College and Westville to win both their remaining games, Kearsney to beat Saints, House to beat St John’s and Northwood to beat Parktown.Jeppe the only GP certainty against Northwood.The others could go either way.
Disclaimer: The above prediction is purely based on current form.Playa is very aware that anything can happen on the day, as past performance is not an indication of future performance.
@Grasshopper:IMHO looking at all the fixtures ,I believe that the KZN sides should shade it this year by 2 points,coming through at the death with the last 3 games going our way.MHS over St.John’s. KC over Saints and by the time College play PBHS it will be all over.
After KES’s slaughter of Northwood not expecting any wins in the next 3 games for KZN. I’m looking to get a cup made up that can be given out at the end of each season. Maybe have a few in the cup too…