Glenwood has trimmed down it’s annual under-13 tournament to just a few primary schools this year. With the Bizsport set to begin on Monday, it means Glenwood’s three fields will be put to full use for 8 match days in a row.
| TIME | DIXONS | BASSONS | MADSEN |
|---|---|---|---|
| 14:30 – 15:00 | Dale vs Penzance | Toti vs Egerton | Raichards Bay vs DPHS 2 |
| 15:05 – 15:35 | Monument vs Umhlali | Concordia vs Stirling | Pelham 2 vs Scottburgh |
| 15:40 – 16:10 | DPHS 1 Vs KZN Dev | Nelspruit Vs DRSU | |
| 16:15 – 16:45 | Pelham 1 Vs Elarduspark | Glenwood Prep vs Bobbies |
@Andre T:
@Playa: Where are those little Herons?
I believe Spear is on his way to recruit for Monnas’ u/15’s
@Redblack White:
We have to accept that we will never see a game of rugby – at any level – where all the referee’s calls will be correct, or where all spectators will agree with them. The learning for any player and coach is thus simple – in rugby, like in life, nothing is ever fair all the time – how you respond and pick yourself up after such an “incorrect”or “unfair” call is what separates you from others.
@Playa @ Greenblooded – please don’t discuss referees’ pay here – it means that for a few bob more I can persuade these useless refs to blow the game my way!!
@GreenBlooded: Hahaha! Cape winters are no joke, you need a carrot to entice referees
I got paid R150 per game, which was immediately spent on a case of beer to numb the pain after 80 minutes of abuse.
@steps: Tut tut tut. I think it’s time for beet to publish the article I wrote on refereeing a season or so back……..
An U13 tournament, where-ever it happens to be, does not attract the top refs. That is just the way it is. The only refs prepared to give up 2 days of their long weekend to go and do it are the beginners who are trying to get experience. You still have not answered my earlier question – that being if you haven’t got the experienced refs and you don’t like the beginners then who do you propose that we use? Far too many sideline experts are quick to point out the problems but no-one can propose a solution.
@Playa: You got a case of beer per game??? Luxury…….
Seriously, I saw a youngster at Glenwood this morning take such abuse from a disgusting group of boys, parents and coaches that he ran for the hills afterwards. I wanted to chat to him afterwards but I think he just ran for his car. Pity – he was showing promise. Probably won’t be back.
I can understand the frustration – to a young parent, an Under 13 final can certainly feel like a World Cup Final. Been there, done that
Bottom line is, parents don’t understand that just like their kids, referees also need to develop – only way to do that is with experience.
We don’t expect a primary school player to perform like a professional, so let’s afford the young refs the same respect – he is also trying to develop his skills as a referee and will most certainly make mistakes – it’s the only way he will learn and develop. Believe me, he has done his training and I’m convinced he knows the rules better than the 13 year old boys and their parents!
@Gungets Tuft: It’s as tiring as telling people to stop criticising refs and take up the whistle themselves.
I did my first stint in high school when I was injured for a whole season in Std 9. The worst games being against Dan Pienaar & Grey PE. I was only 16. I walked off the DP game in tears, and one of our masters had to take over as ref, that’s how unbearable the abuse from parents was. I took up the whistle again in varsity refereeing the reserve league, and went up to level 2, then hung up the whistle after 3 seasons…the case of beer per game was not worth the abuse from spectators and players alike.
It’s very easy to bark at referees (especially those that are still developing) without even understanding the intricacies of doing the job. I challenge those with a lot to say to try it, just once.
@steps: Shoo, by those standards, where do the trainee refs get their start?
It would be a pity if young refs get chased away from the game, especially at U13 level. It would mean that parents would have to get their boots on and ref. Perhaps not a bad thing actually, I have found few parents that admit a ref might know something, so they would no doubt get the job done. Get hold of your local union, attend a few courses, a weekly meeting where you get to discuss laws, interpretation and the like, grab a whistle.
I stopped even trying at mini-rugby where parental abuse of players and refs starts. Amazed I was …
@boxkick: @Rockspider: These over-age boys allegations have grown old.Dont get me wrong, I know fully that age cheats are out there and are ruining SBR.
I remember some time ago, Dale Junior touring Cape Town, and a certain Wandile Mjekevu was accused by the locals of being over-age.Lubabalo Mthembu is another one that suffered the same accusations.At Cape Schools in 2009, Siya Kolisi was believed to be over-age as well.
It’s ok to have suspicions, but for crying out loud tell us what they are based on.Michael Jackson certainly didn’t ‘look’ like a man…tell me he had a vagina and I’ll believe he was a woman.But to just say he doesn’t ‘look’ like a man and is therefore a woman is absolutely foolish.
Only a April Fool’s day joke.
Got u guys going?
How’s the other Dale Boys doing playing for Glenwood under 14. Herd Glenwood under 14 had good win yesterday.
They were also called over aged last year at the festival. How ironic. Now their age are just fine playing in green.
This is a huge mistake a lot of guys make. At Craven Week u will find under 13 Boys of 1.95m and 105kg. None of them are over aged.
@GreenBlooded: I teach my son to do his best. Win or lose. He also makes sure that he as an U13 player tries to understand and know the laws of rugby. After the way the refs in their white shirts handled the games I do think that half the U13 players know the laws better than them. To bring payment into the equation is silly. You need to be on par for the age group you refereeing for. If I have to be negative and insulting like you I have to then say that the Glenwood U13 tournament is so low on the calendar that they can only spare the worst ref’s. If I was n Glenwood person I would be upset by you saying that.
@GreenBlooded: I had my facts wrong or are you talking about someone else?
@Rockspider: Ahhh. So Zuma did pay for Nkandla out of his bond then.
@Rockspider: Yes I have since found out that you are correct about this. Seems the guy ranting about it had his facts wrong. Appologies and good luck to the youngsters.
@boxkick, you are hallway correct in your observation, just not 100% The nr 12 is not 13, his only under 12 and we truly hope he make Border under 12 this year. Think he could be destructive at Coastal inter provincials. LOL.
@GreenBlooded. Well I picked up that Glenwood is not playing on the last day of the Grey PE Festival either.
Like Dale Jnr they were never part of the fixtures for the last day. Perhaps the organisers can inform all why teams were only scheduled to play 2 of the 3 days at Glenwood prim Festival and grey High festival.
Time does catch up with the teams having to travel very far.
Hope all the schools have scedules for all 3 days in future.
@steps – boet, I must agree with you that the refereeing was particularly sh1t. Trainees or no trainees, the was a game between Concordia and I think penzance on dixons, that guy should never be allowed on any sporting field let alone a rugby field. SAR is pedantic about safety and the referees role in ensuring safety, this guy was completely out of his league…
@ greenblooded – mate, the conversion taking place inside the 3m line is applicable to up to under 11 age group…not under 13….go check up on your rules…why then when, and again it was Concordia, the other team scored in the corner was the conversion not moved to within the 13m line…or didn’t you notice
One last thing…there is no way on Gods green earth that all the boys in that Dale side is under 13. It was probably the first time in the history of the game that a father and son played for the same primary school side…LOL…If the number 12 is under 13, then you can assume ZUMA used his bond to pay for his renovations, if I knew how I would post a picture on this site and you then tell me…
@GreenBlooded: Thank you! And well said.
@steps:Die KZN Souties gebruik net die Boertjies daar in die Last outpost. My Pa, n wyse oubaas per geleentheid, het altyd gese n man moet in sy pasopens wees vir ‘n soutie. Hulle is altyd vriendelik en diplomaties. Boetie pasop egter vir die messteek as jy jou rug draai. 8)
@steps: Perhaps you are one of these misguided folk who believe that referees are slitting each others throats to referee U13 rugby. Boet you need a reality check!! The referees who did duty at the Glenwood festival were mostly trainees with a few experienced guys who helped and also assessed the guys in training. The reason the trainees were used is because that is all that was available – not because the union designed it that way. Some of the guys did 2-3 games per day for 2 days. None of them got paid a cent.
So once you have relegated all of these refs back to U9 level, who do you think is going to front up and blow the games? (You can assume Craig Joubert, Stuart Berry and Jaco Peyper are not available).
As for the conversion awarded on the 13m line, that is a common law amendment blown at primary school level and was agreed on before the tournament and blown consistently throughout.
Don’t teach your lighty to blame the ref when he loses. It will make him un-accountable for his own short-comings and less likely to work harder to try and improve.
@valke: Nee wat het groot vertroue dat EG weer gaan goed doen daar. En hier dog ek canter is soos galop. Snaaks dat die manne van KZN dan na Afrikaanse seuns vry om daar te kom speel.
@valke: Hahahaha!Dis te laat nou.
@steps: Steps, moenie die mense daar in KZN kwaad maak nie.
EG moet nog Kearsney festival gaan speel daar.
@Dale College Per Ardua Ad Astra: Yip this confirms it. I am stupid. Sorry but I though that the post read they would have beaten any team in the final game of the tournament at a canter. So ja if you want to call me boet it’s fine.
31 – 12 is less then a canter boet @steps
@GreenBlooded: I must be stupid when it comes to rugby but Dale did not even beat Concordia on a canter. If it was not for, in my opinion, a few dodgy calls they could have been surprised. So to make is statement like that is not very clever.
My son played in the Glenwood festival. On the rugby front it was a great experience for him and the team. On a festival like this, why are the refs incapable of making the right decisions? Nelspruit scored a try in the corner. The kick for only that try was taken on the 13 meter line and not from were the ball was dotted down. It was converted and they won by 1 point. That is but 1 example. You had the feeling that the smaller schools we were not allowed to win. The rugby spirit was great but if you have boys that know the game they are baffled by the decisions. Hats of to Glenwood for the tournament and hopefully KZN REfs union will not keep on using this tournament as a training field for the refs. Let them start at U9 level and work themselves up.
@Roger: @Grasshopper: Fnucket Roger I also looked at that comment of Hopper, corncerning the “symbol of apartheid”, with trepidation. If a school like Glenwood teach their kids that kind of wish wash in history then they could also believe that Monnas is in Pretoria, I suppose
Just pulling your leg Mr Hopper. But for sure Monnas is in Krugersdorp and the Voortrekker monument is not a symbol of Apartheid.
@GreenBlooded: I am told that they were not scheduled to play for he whole duration of the tournament in the first place.
@GreenBlooded: Yeah sorry, I phrased it wrong – I was in fact referring to the Under 13 teams at KERF 2013 in general.
No allegations, simply observations
Also remember, an overage boy in a losing team can still injure a younger boy in a winning team – having overage players doesn’t mean you’re going to win every match.
@star: Yeah was kinda lucky
@Pedantic: The Development team were thrashed in all 3 matches last year so if they had older players as you allege then it didn’t do them any good.
@Pedantic: If it’s the clipboarders that they are afraid of then don’t attend the tourney at all. Pulling out halfway through leaves other teams without games – some of them travelled from far away.
@Andre T: @Grasshopper: symbol of Apartheid, hmmm – more accurate description would be a symbol of Afrikaner nationalism – big difference, and it is well worth a visit, if only for the views over Pretoria in Spring when the Jacarandas are in full flower.
Grassy – you are jesting aren’t you or did you really think Monnas was in Pretoria
@ Pedantic- good call
Another good call was the House/Graeme game. We will have to call you the “siener” 
@Rockspider: Good decision to move out quickly and quietly … the day before the KXN clipboard bearers finalised their notes
@GreenBlooded: Only worth watching those games if they confirm the ages of the KZN dev team – last year I’m convinced we saw some 14 and 15 year olds dominating the U13 matches.
@Rockspider:
Wonderful results for the young Herons.One can count on DJ to smack the best in the country in 9 out of every 10 years.
@Rockspider: Dale would have won the final at a canter had they stuck around. In the event, a thrilling encounter between Concordia and Nelspruit ended in a 15-14 victory to Nelspruit.
DPHS were also a very good side – their star flyhalf Kade Wolhuter one to watch in the future and my man of the tournament from the games I watched.
Also nice to see the KZN Development team a lot more competitive which will hopefully give the early morning crowd at KERF something to watch – unlike last year where most matches were called at halftime.
@ GreenBlooded
It’s a pity they could not stay longer in KZN.
Dale Jnr goes on tour every year. They then play other games before playing at the Glenwood festival.
Hopefully with them not playing the last day Dale wont loose another few players to Glenwood like last year. LOL.
Out of last years under 13 side Glenwood, Grey Bloem and Kingswood gained players.
Who do u think was the top sides at the festival.
@Rockspider: Why did Dale decide to pull out of the final day of the Glenwood tournament? Rather unfortunate as many were looking forward to them competing in the final. Surely when you enter a tournament you honor your commitments to the end?
Some great result for Dale Jnr in KZN.
Dale 28 Pelham 12
Dale19 Highbuty 11
Dale 14 Concordia 5
Dale 31 Glenwood 12
At the end of the 2nd day with the teams each having played 3 games it is interesting to see how some teams are improving and others not. There have been some stretcher/hospital injuries which is always difficult especially when they are so young.
There have been the clipboard guys from many schools. Possibly the saddest is to see how much pressure the boys are under by parents and coaches to make a good impression. Today one of the boys yelled at his father “Who must I listed to? There are 2 coaches, 1 manager and you!!!”
@ Greenblooded- I think I should get down there with my clipboard.
@GreenBlooded: Any bursary material in the DRSU team? Are the boys looking the right age?
Also nice to see the DRSU U13 Invitational Team participating in this festival for the first time.
@Playa: You’ll be pleased to know that Dale won their first match against local school Penzance very easily. Some very talented players in that team.
The tournament is a very low key affair this year – nothing like previous years. As noted in the main article – this may be to preserve the fields.
In the match of the day yesterday, DPHS 1st took some time to subdue a very spirited KZN Dev team and eventually won the match 21-5.
@Andre T: Never been, drove past in 1995 on my way to PBHS for the big Pentagular athletics meet held at KES. I stayed with PBHS parents.
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I was hoping I wasn’t gonna see the word “Dale” there… 
there go our Little Herons
@Grasshopper: But the food is great there, prepared by the Apartheid tannies. Best you can get.
And I bet you that you’ve been there before.
@Andre T: Boet, I don’t have a goatie, last time I did was about 10 years ago for a couple of months. Only do Movember every year for charity. I would never go to the Voortrekker Monument anyway, a symbol of Apartheid…
@Grasshopper: The fact is that Monnas is in the tropical little town called Krugersdorp. 75km from Pta.
Why would he want to stay in Pretoria? Maybe you were confusing the school with the Voortrekker Monument. Lovely Christmas buffets there if you’re ever in Pta over the festive period. Just remember your khaki shirt please and shave that goatie………unless you have a brush cut.
@Andre T: You know what I mean! Distance is all relative, for people in Durban traveling 5km to work is too far, in London 85km is close…..so Pretoria….not sure…
@Grasshopper: Well if he thought that Monnas was in Pretoria then yes, it is quite a distance to travel every day.
He could have found accommodation in Randfontein which is much cheaper and closer.
@Andre T: Yep, it’s the time when all schools have freedom to recruit, why not. Heard a little birdie tell me Sean Erasmas was offered quite a bit to become the Monnas Head Coach but he turned it down for Boishaai….maybe he didn’t want to live in Pretoria…
So this is the time where Glenwood’s cheque books become very handy? FNB has got a special on the bank charges for this period.
Thanks for posting this Beet!
i dont think the fields will be to damaged after the under 13 festival as this festival is being run according to SARU under 13 laws with the boys playing barefoot (thankfully not listening to the clowns who run North Durban Primary Schools Rugby who do their own thing and insist that the local Primary school boys play with boots)
Nice recruitment opportunity :-)
There are also matches on Saturday and Sunday – the match-ups will be decided on a strength vs strength basis from the results of the Friday matches.