A Wildeklawer match-up between the Grey College, the best South African boys only high school at rugby and Paarl Gymnasium, the best South African co-ed rugby school looks set to be made official next week. This effectively means that Grey will compete for a powerhouse grand slam for only the fourth time in their history, with 2010,2011 and 2012 being the three previous seasons in during which they took on all four fellow powerhouses namely Affies, HJS Paarl Boys High, Monument, Paarl Gymnasium and Paul Roos.
Grey has annual inter-schools dates with Affies, Boishaai and Paul Roos but opportunities to play against Gimmies and Monnas have been limited in the past. The arrival of the school rugby festivals in the form of the Wildeklawer Skouspel (2009) and the Kearsney Easter Rugby Festival (2008) has provided the Bloemfontein powerhouse of SA school rugby with new opportunities in recent seasons to take on these non-traditional rivals and make Grey College unique in the sense that they are the only 1st XV that has the chance to win a powerhouse grand slam.
In 2010 Grey’s amazing undefeated team completed a clean-sweep, winning all five games as part of the perfect season. Their 2011 team also went through the season unbeaten but were held to draws by Boishaai (and also by Selborne) along the way.
There have also been eight occasions when Grey has played four out of the five powerhouse schools.
Grey College’s record against the powerhouse rugby schools from 1987 – 2013.
(Data from www.Rugby15.co.za used to compile the table below)
|
YEAR |
TYPE |
PAUL ROOS |
HJS PAARL |
AFFIES |
MONNAS |
PAARL GIM |
OVERALL |
|
2013 |
4 out of 5 |
W40-8 |
W35-28 |
L31-37 |
W13-8 |
|
W3-D0-L1 |
|
2012 |
Grand Slam |
W33-23 |
L18-28 |
L29-35 |
W8-0 |
L29-45 |
W2-D0-L3 |
|
2011 |
Grand Slam |
W36-35 |
D15-15 |
W16-11 |
W18-14 |
W14-10 |
W4-D1-L0 |
|
2010 |
Grand Slam |
W41-29 |
W32-12 |
W23-6 |
W26-6 |
W23-12 |
W5-D0-L0 |
|
2009 |
|
L3-9 |
W50-8 |
W30-13 |
|
|
W2-D0-L1 |
|
2008 |
4 out of 5 |
W47-15 |
W34-24 |
W31-12 |
W16-14 |
|
W4-D0-L0 |
|
2007 |
|
W40-14 |
W48-24 |
W47-10 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
2006 |
|
L11-16 |
W20-5 |
L13-18 |
|
|
W1-D0-L2 |
|
2005 |
4 out of 5 |
W16-11 |
W38-13 |
L20-27 |
|
W34-13 |
W3-D0-L1 |
|
2004 |
|
W24-23 |
W38-3 |
W32-29 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
2004 |
|
L18-21 |
|
|
|
|
W0-D0-L1 |
|
2003 |
|
W18-17 |
W27-16 |
W33-3 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
2002 |
|
W19-8 |
W23-6 |
W46-21 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
2001 |
|
W15-6 |
W38-15 |
D12-12 |
|
|
W2-D1-L0 |
|
2000 |
|
W42-13 |
L10-17 |
W17-7 |
|
|
W2-D0-L1 |
|
1999 |
|
W29-26 |
W34-16 |
W17-13 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
1998 |
|
W23-15 |
W20-6 |
W23-3 |
|
|
W3-D0-L0 |
|
1997 |
4 out of 5 |
L8-12 |
W20-16 |
W19-9 |
W21-7 |
|
W3-D0-L1 |
|
1996 |
4 out of 5 |
W18-10 |
L9-16 |
L3-25 |
L8-13 |
|
W1-D0-L3 |
|
1995 |
4 out of 5 |
W21-10 |
W18-6 |
W37-13 |
W27-20 |
|
W4-D0-L0 |
|
1994 |
4 out of 5 |
L29-31 |
|
W13-6 |
L30-36 |
L0-10 |
W1-D0-L3 |
|
1993 |
4 out of 5 |
L8-28 |
D0-0 |
W26-6 |
L12-34 |
|
W1-D1-L2 |
|
1992 |
|
W20-6 |
|
W24-3 |
L6-11 |
|
W2-D0-L1 |
|
1991 |
|
L3-20 |
|
|
L14-16 |
|
W0-D0-L2 |
|
1990 |
|
W17-9 |
|
|
|
|
W1-D0-L0 |
|
1989 |
|
W28-7 |
W23-6 |
|
|
|
W2-D0-L0 |
|
1988 |
|
W16-9 |
|
|
|
D9-9 |
W1-D1-L0 |
|
1987 |
|
|
W31-14 |
|
|
|
W1-D0-L0 |
|
RECORD |
P-W-D-L |
27-20-0-7 |
22-17-2-3 |
22-16-1-5 |
12-7-0-5 |
6-3-1-2 |
W63-D4-L22 |
@Djou: thanks
@Beet: Yea, it is Stats SA. They attempted to update their website but documents are not where it is supposed to be anymore. What I will do, is to find the document (printed version) again, scan the relevant part and then mail it to you.
@Djou: Can’t you provide an exact link to that data on the bursaries per province please. I struggled to find it last time out
@BoishaaiPa: Thanks. Great stats. The rugby participation rate is clearly higher at the boys schools.
As for the Pretoria schools, Waterkloof provided the wrong stats or it was written down wrongly (rule of thumb – always doubt the round numbers). Waterkloof, Wonderboom and Eldoraigne are the largest schools in terms of numbers – all of them having about 2 000 learners.
The new stats should become available within the next week.
@Beet, yes, heard the same news.
@Djou: Yes it’s true. Grey College will play Paarl Gim at Wildeklawer. The WK organisers have however not released a revised fixture list yet tho.
I have also heard that Maritzburg College now plays Grey PE at WK
@Djou: Not all the Boys in a Boys only school play rugby either..but… In 2011 Paarl Gim did a analysis of all the schools that participated in their u/16 tournament and came up with these results. The obvious result is that the bigger the amount of boys, the more rugby players available, but % wise the smaller schools like Boland Lanbou and Marlow have very high % participation. What is prevalent though ( and in line with your thought) is that the mixed schools might have about the same number of boys and some even more than boys schools , but the % participation is much lower.
SKOOL Kinders Seuns % Rugbyspelers
Glenwood 1200 1200 44.00% 528
Afr.Hoër Seunskool 1207 1207 38.00% 459
Grey Kollege 1200 1200 35.00% 420
HJS 894 894 44.00% 393
Paul Roos 1167 1167 33.00% 385
Michaelhouse 555 555 59.00% 327
Gimnasium 1096 581 49.00% 285
Waterkloof 1300 650 42.00% 273
Monument 1545 620 44.00% 273
Boland Landbou 338 338 80.00% 270
Outeniqua 1700 850 28.00% 238
Eg Jansen 1322 661 32.00% 212
Marlow 260 260 81.00% 211
Framesby 1100 500 42.00% 210
Garsfontein 1658 834 23.00% 192
Transvalia 1164 582 31.00% 180
Stellenberg 1498 716 25.00% 179
Punt 1200 480 34.00% 163
Brits 1065 490 31.00% 152
Centurion 1200 600 25.00% 150
Rustenburg 1300 650 23.00% 150
Brackenfell 1582 761 18.00% 137
Oudtshoorn 666 275 49.00% 135
Florida 1560 780 17.00% 133
Diamantveld 740 350 30.00% 105
Windhoek Gim 560 237 44.00% 104
@Tjoppa: You’ve got me – what school and what news.
But 900 boys – no think twice, maybe here and there in a super macro school. I would think it is about 700 boys. Remember the demographic composition of SA – roughly 55% girls and 45% boys according to the census. In a school of 1 600 it gives you 720 boys.
However, it is not just the number of boys that counts. In a “mixed” school, many boys don’t play rugby or are not interested in rugby at all.
@Djou: Why the bigger super schools also have 900+ boys.
What happened at that school. Any news.
@Maroon: In my opinion the boys only schools should always perform better on the rugby field.
But they can’t put girls netball and girls hockey teams on the field.
So maybe we should differentiate between top boys only schools and top schools.
Only Paarl Gim and to a lesser extent Waterkloof can compete on the rugby field against the top boys only schools. But even they will struggle to field 28 rugby teams.
So, Beet, is it true that Grey and Paarl Gim will play on 30 April?
@BoishaaiPa: Ek weet my geheue is nie meer so goed nie maar ek dink jou laaste poging het jy genoem dat Affies wiskundig nie meer uit die no1 posisie gelig kan word nie. Jy was toe reg. Wiskundig nie moontlik nie maar ja as die statikusse eie oordeel of nuwe formules gebruik om die uitslae te manipuleer. En het jou gemeet aan jou vriende, wat ‘n fout. Miskien? Nee wat BHP hoe se Bog geskiedenis is geskiedenis.
Maar help my reg as al die skole se spanne se posisies op ranglyste in ag geen word wie is die no 1 rugbyskool in 2013 in Suid Afrika.
@Tjoppa: Ja ou Tjops….ek het tot die eindtellings gemanipuleer..ek het meer invloed by die refs en die kapteins as n Indiese Bookie!…Ek het klaar vanjaar al 5 kapteins gekoop om so paar tellings te “gooi”…
n “Powerhouse” is n skool wat 30+ o/19B/C/D spelers aan n oorsese toer kan afstaan en dan nog steeds met sy volle kwota 0/19 spanne teen n Bishops deelneem en slegs die “Daisies” game met n punt verloor..Soos HJS in 2011 gedoen het!
@Ploegskaar: En jou gevoel oor liefde voor jy getrou het en nou is seker ook dieselfde.
@jakes: not for Affies, KES, Boys High, etc – and I hope that never changes –
@Tjoppa: BHP was Adolf Ghandi in jou oë, tot en met daardie laaste berekening, toe jy as ek reg onthou, jou eie tande gesluk het.
@jakes: Jakes the fact that all the competitions are structured around the first teams are one of the reasons Affies withdrew from them. It can’t be fair to the laaities playing in the lower teams can it? At Affies the laaities in the lower teams, and remember there is 6 teams in every age group-up to 10 teams in the open groups, must also have oppurtunities to play rugby. What must the schoolboys do when a small percentage play the 6 weeks long Tuks reeks and then the Beeld trophy, which is just as time consuming. That is why it is IMHO better to play interschools against the likes of Grey Bloem, KES etc. These schools also provide competition, 4 games per age group, in sports like hockey. My kids played in the Super 16 (Tuks reeks) as well as in interschools. I prefer Interschools by a long shot.
@jakes: Ek dink die ouens probeer vir jou sê hulle het al baie “new up and coming powerhouses” oor die jare sien kom en gaan, so ook hulle ondersteuners, wat soos ‘n Jack Russel met sy lipstiek uit, hier en daar grondvat en vir almal loop en vertel hoe hulle almal gaan opdonder.
Ook is daar dalk ‘n titseltjie meriete daarin om in al jou skool se leerders en spanne te belê, want as daai eerstes faal is daar langtermyn niks om op terug te val nie. As kleine Boland Landbou, met slegs 340 leerders, elke naweek tussen 16-18 spanne in die veld kan stoot, het die res werklik nie ‘n verkoning nie, of hoe?
@Ploegskaar: Maar waar het jy gekyk Ploeg? Ons almal weet BHP het sy posisie as statikus misbruik om die uitslae te manipuleer. Maar as ons al die A spanne se posisie op die ranglyste in ag neem is dit tog duidelik wie die top rugby skool is in die land.
@Tjoppa: Laaste keer wat ek gekyk het, was Gim die topskool in 2013, Boishaai koning in 2012?
@ Maroon- I understand to what is meant by “powerhouse”. But fact is these days the up and coming rugby schools only focuses mainly on their A teams and their 1st teams,Simply because that is the way it is headed to..Money, lack of coaches, lack of interest by boys makes schools only focus on their main teams. ALL the competitions in the Noordvaal are structured this way these days and that is the future of schoolboyrugby, especially in the Noordvaal..
@jakes: a “Top School” is a school recognized by the country as “Top” not only by its competitors. Your argument is flawed.
@ Tjoppa- unfortunately there is no barrier to which Affies can be measured with in the last few years seeing that not any of their teams( JNR and SNR) lifted any trophies or won any competitions which all the other top schools are playing in the Noordvaal..It is a pity. I agree that they are a top rugby school,but your answer is a bit flawed, sorry..
@jakes: If a competition results in more than one champion then you have a farce. Current no 1 in South Africa is Affies.
@jakes: Tuks
@ Tjoppa-and who according to your believes are now the champions?? any of the traditional powerhouses?? Stuck in the old ways still>>
You must move on brother 
@jakes: A “powerhouse” is a school that competes with all 28 teams and not just with the 1st xv. That is the true measure of depth and coaching. Too many schools these days invest only in a 1st xv and age group A teams.
@Tjoppa: I agree, you’re only as good as your last game/match/season/kiss
@jakes: In this corrupt world of ours we only call the current top school, person etc the top dog. All the previous champions are referred as past champions. Please gentleman. Get your facts right.
@ Bog- I am sure in those years(70’s 80’s and early 90’s when Kempton park was rated as one of the top rugby schools in the noordvaal, they could have matched Grey very easily..They took a dip for a lot years.Now they are right up there and might soon field a team that could take Grey on or even beat them.Only time will tell.. All I am saying is that it is good that there are more schools that can take GREY on than the original powerhouses. It still does not change the fact that Grey are rated the nr. 1 school in history.
@Woltrui: When my one son, the one I have with Spear’s current wife, went to Grey in grade 8, there were 6 other CW primary schools’ number 8’s
@jakes: Yep, like Kempton against the Cherries? A 96% winning margin over a period of more than 100 yrs, tells me that there is an “ingredient ” not spoken of here. Its a lot more than just recruitment and coaching. But I do not wish to become “controversial” here.
Scary stats. The 2010 Grey Bloem side winning all the top schools by big margins. Remember the Grey Affies game. Just when Affies thought they were coming back into the game Grey just went into a next gear, almost scoring at will. These Bloem okies are still way ahead of the pack. What is the most impressive about Grey Bloem is their depth. If you compare the lower teams scores against opposition a person get the idea how far in front they are.
These old ‘powerhouses” can be easily beaten these days by the up and coming ‘new’ powerhouses for instance Garsfontein& Kempton park, EG Jansen, Centurion,Waterkloof , HTS Middelburg, Nelspruit and soon Menlopark and even Eldoraigne as was shown in the last few years..
@Roger: Don’t play that Jose Mourinho trick so early
@Andre T: must admit – I think KES will get spanked at Monnas this year
@Roger: Must admit I respect KES a lot and very happy that the annual fixtures are on again.
@Andre T: always have held Monnas rugby in high regard – that’s why am so proud of KES’s record against them.
Happy to see you paying attention though!
@BOG: As jy in n ander tydsone beweeg, soos jy beweer, beteken dit dan dat jy steeds nog in die nagte rondsluip.
Help daai windjie op die kaalboudjies al?
@Lindenpa: Wees versigtig met sulke uitnodigings. Hy vat gewoonlik sy Portugese skoonma saam en sy kan n verleentheid wees. Ek vermoed sy is die tannie met die pers rok van wie almal praat
@Roger: You must really regard Monnas very highly as you’ve published those stats about 37 times in 4 years. Just think if KES didn’t go into hiding during the first ten years of the 2000’s how good those stats could have looked by now.
@Lindenpa: Ek mis hierdie jaar geen fees nie, eks hierdie jaar ekstra dors
@Andre T: Andre, sien ons jou hierdie jaar by die Saints-fees? Jy kan na 2 van jou gunstelingspanne daar kom kyk, Helpies en Linden is beide daar.
Groete,
hmmm – Monnas has the best record against Grey – interesting.
KES has a fantastic record against Monnas played 24 won 14 lost 9 draw 1
therefore KES should beat Grey regularly
A=B=C therefore A must = C
Maths Lit 101
Even Andre T will understand
QED
My Top 10 Gunsteling Spanne vir 2014
1) Monument ( Want Monnas is Monnas )
2) Hoer Jongenskool Paarl ( Net oor Britsie )
3) Grey Bloem ( Net oor my kind, by Spear se vrou, daar is )
4) Garstfontein ( Omdat hulle kinders en ouers n kans in die lewe gee )
5 ) Affies ( Omdat Spear vir n dag daar op skool was )
6) Paul Roos ( My kind van n Russiese ma daar in matriek is )
7 ) Glenwood ( My Boa, Brutus, prefers KXN rats )
8 ) Outeniqua ( I like Herold’s Bay )
9 ) Bishops ( Sounds so soft on the tongue )
10) Framesby ( Sounds like Frisbee and I love playing it on the beach )
Bubbling under ( Klerksdorp, EG Jansen, Voortrekker Bethlehem, John Vorster Tech, Linden, Temperance Town Secondary and Noordkaap )
Beet can you delete the 2009 results please? That 3-9 score, for which T-shirts were printed, still haunts me. No excuses, but it was the day that their 6 SA representatives were absent and QI unleashed all his hidden skills.
Are they chasing Jack Nicklaus’ record?