A story in the Beeld yesterday (http://www.beeld.com/nuus/2014-01-23-2-onnies-ontvoer-glo-rugbyseuns) tells of how Vereeniging Gymnasium opened a case of kidnapping against EG Jansen teachers at the police station. This was after the two EG Jansen teachers allegedly drove onto the Gimmies premises last week to picked up two “brilliant” Gimmies rugby players and then left without informing either the Gimmies hostel housemaster or the teacher on duty of their intentions. I
According to Gimmies, only the housemaster or parents of the boys can sign them out or provide written permission for them to leave the school premises as Gimmies are responsible for the safety of the boys and it would appear that according to Gimmies, the EG officials did not obtain this permission.
Both students were recruited from Stellenbosch by Gimmies a couple of years ago. Gimmies wanted to offer them scholarships going forward and up until now had paid their school and hostel fees provide they performed well.
One of the EG teachers involved in the incident was a coach at Gimmies before and will now be the under-15 coach at EG this year.
The same teacher said the boys wanted to move to the EG when he was about to move last year. He discouraged them back then, saying it was an emotional decision. During December the boys made contact with him again. Their parents contact details were taken down and passed on to another EG Jansen teacher.
Full permission was obtained from these parents, with one parent going on to say she had actually faxed a request to leave for EG to Gimmies and therefore that no kidnapped had taken. She also claimed that her boy was unhappy at Gim.
The headmaster of EG said there was no one available at Gim to sign the boys out at the time of the incident. The boys are now staying with an EG teacher.
Vereeniging Gim expects the students parents to now repay the school and hostel fees.
@Woltrui: Jip. Maar ons moet maar uithaal en wys teen ons Engelse vriende hier in die Kaap. Bietjie anders as met rugby. Julle behoort, soos ons, hoop te hê vir 2014 en 2015. Sterkte! BTW , ek is nie seker nie maar ek vermoed Dok was nog kaptein ook ‘n keer of wat.
@Koos Roos: Ai, nou net toe ek van Oom Dok begin hou kom trek jy die mat onder my uit. 8)
Ek sien julle het ons (Affies) gestamp met die waterpolo daar by Grey Bloem.
Ou Woljol. Moenie dink dit vul my hart met vreugde as ek met jou moet saamstem nie. Maar nou ja. Bye the way. Dok het 1938 vir die Flou Nulle gespeel toe hy met iets by Tuks besig was. Gou gesien hy mors sy tyd en weer Kaap toe gekom.
@Woltrui: Jy het steeds nie die vraag beantwoord nie. Waarom is dit ‘n lae hou? En ek dink beslis Grey Kollege het ‘n goeie reputasie! Gee my redes waarom jy dink het ‘n swak reputasie.
@Djou: Jy moet dalk vir my n sketsie teken.
In iedere geval. As jy dink julle het n goeie reputasie doen so voort.
@Woltrui: Sommige mense dink stadiger as ander en daar is niks verkeerd daarmee nie. Maar kom ek probeer dit baie duidelik vir jou maak sodat jy verstaan wat jy skryf.
Jy noem die volgende ‘n lae hou.
Wanneer ‘n skool se afrigter die skeidsregter skouer.
Wanneer die skool binne ‘n paar weke van mekaar in massagevegte op die rugbyveld betrokke is.
Wanneer ‘n skool jaar in en uit ‘n nabygelee skool se top spelers werf. Wanneer die skool se onderwysers kinders gaan oplaai sonder die nodige toestemmings.
Nou al bovermelde is bekend.
Tog verkies sommiges om dit te ignoreer en dit ‘n lae hou te noem, maar vir ander is dit ‘n besliste patroon.
Eersgenoemde groep het duidelik ‘n probleem. Maar kom ons laat dit daar.
En dan probeer jy – wat heeltyd ontken het dat enige seun in Affies ‘n beurs het terwyl almal weet dat sommiges wel beurse het – die skool wat ek ondersteun afkraak deur te meld dat hulle ‘n swak reputasie het. Nou, verduidelik mooi vir my waarom Grey Kollege ‘n swak reputasie het, want dit is die skool wat ek ondersteun.
Tog vermoed ek jy praat van Garsfontein – omrede ek soms die skool (en ander skole) verdedig het teen sinnelose argumente. Dalk moet jy Tony Stoops se webwerf lees. Jy sal merk dat hy Garsfontein openlik om verskoning gevra het omrede hy verkeerde indrukke gehad het.
Maar jy verkeer blykbaar ook onder die verkeerde indruk dat enige skool ‘n eiendomsreg op sy leerders het bloot omdat hulle daar skoolgaan. Van wanneer af het ‘n skool eiendomsreg op kinders? So, kom ek maak dit duidelik – geen skool kan ‘n kind besit nie. En ‘n kind sal nie weggaan indien hulle gelukkig is nie. En uiteindelik is dit die kind en sy ouers se besluit – soms verkeerdelik, maar soms maak hulle ook die regte besluite.
@Woltrui: Ek sou uiters geskok, verbaas en teleurgesteld gewees het as ek hier moes uitvind dat ons saamstem. My eer, integriteit- my hele wese en menswees, sou onmiddellik in die slag gebly het. So, rus in vrede in daardie begrafplaas van jou.@Tjoppa: Glo dit of nie, meeste van die kinders stel voorreg, eer en lojaliteit, voor dit wat elders aangebied word. Hoekom anders, is dit slegs enkele uitsonderings wie die skole waarna ek verwys het, verlaat om elders te gaan rugby speel? So, wat in effek gebeur, is dat die “jonger” skole onder mekaar maai, met bykans geen impak op jou tradissionele skole nie
@BOG: Wat het geword van eerlikheid, integriteit en lojaliteit. Geld????
@Woltrui: Wolla dr Craven’s influence is bigger than what you can imagine here in the Vaal. His beloved dog’s name was bliksem. Ask around and see how many Bulls supporters call their wife darling in a fight. Not many. See the Doc’s influence?
But a true story PROMISE – A good friend of mine’s sister was a primary school teacher in Kwaggasrand in the early seventies. Kwaggasrand is situated in the untamed west of Pretoria. A shy girl was very unsure of herself and no matter how the teacher tried she could not get the girl to give her name to the class. Desperately she ask the girl what does her father call her if he is looking for her. With a big smile on her face she stoodup and yelled at the top of her voice “BLIKSEEEM”. Now we know even in the seventies there was WP supporters in Pretoria.
@Djou: Oops. Voor ek vergeet. Die hou gemik na EG Jansen is bietjie laag komend van ‘n blogger wie se skool span so ‘n swak reputasie het.
@Koos Roos: Voor U opsring en Halleluja liedere sing Mnr KS, ek stem saam die lojaliteit en tradisie inset van Bog se blog. “Dis al”.
As Danie Craven die Bulle se Kaptein was, was hy natuurlik n voorslag mens gewees. Ek moet bieg ek het dit nie geweet nie. Natuurlik weer nie opgelet in die klas nie.
@BOG: Uiteindelik stem ons saam oor iets. Woljol ook. Steek die wolke daar in Bloem en Pretoria ook op?????
@Djou: Off course every body recruit and advertise their schools too grade 7 pupils when they must choose a High School to go to. That is where it should stop. Their is certain schools who don’t give out bursaries and don’t go to other schools and poach their kids. The reason why the kids is becoming mercenaries is because the schools and parents turn them into exactly that. The schools which poach and buy without any moral problems will off course always look for excuses why they do it.
@BOG: Agree a hundred and one per cent with you Bog.
@Koos Roos: Jy is reg Koos. So dikwels word dit hier gepropageer dat dit beter vir VS rugby sou gewees het indien die talent wat by GCB gekonsentreer was, meer eweredig onder ander skole in die omgewing, versprei was. My teenargument, is hoeveel van die spelers in die “laer” spanne Grey sou verlaat vir die “voorreg” om vir die “A span of eerste span van n ander skool te speel? Min, indien enige en ek bedoel dit geensins as n refleksie op ander skole nie. Dit geld sekerlik vir julle (nie dat ek dit sal verstaan nie
) en ander skole met lang tradisies ook. En daardie gebrek aan inherente lojaliteit onder die leerders, lyk dit vir my, is n probleem waarmee die “jonger” skole sukkel.
As ‘n kind so maklik van skool verwissel is daar iets fout. My seun is o15 , na ‘n B span wedstryd deur die opponente genader met die geel wortel dat hy ‘n leemte in sy possisie sou vul in hul A span. Toe ek hom vra of hy dit oorweeg, was sy antwoord NEE. Hy het toe in 14+ maande sulke bande met sy skool en maats gevorm dat niks hom sal wegskeur nie. Ek dink dit is waarvan Boggie hulle praat. Niks klop waardes en tradisie nie.
@Jakes @ Mike I am not against recruiting – you know that.
) and I therefore do have a soft place for the school. But what has been happening there over the past few years (coach shouldering referee, fights with other schools etc. makes me want to forget.) My dad does not feel proud of his alma mater at all.
What I dislike however, is people denying that they recruit and offer bursaries whilst everybody knows they are doing it (Like Ben Johnson denying taking steroids but everybody around him knew).
In this particular case, the way it was done smells. What further bothers me is that teachers were involved and not the director of rugby or coaches. They should resign as teachers as what they did is very uneducational.
@Bog: I can recall I lived there once. My dad was in EG Jansen (long before I was born I must add
Yes rugby has become professional and yes boys move schools. But the way that these two boys were approached was definitely nowhere near right or in good faith. There is surely a better way to go about things than how this was handled.
@jakes: I took your advice and googled “Boksburg” and google could not find it.You sure its on earth?
@jakes: you are welcome to try and identify any poached at Paul Roos. We do not approach and we do not offer! Stem 100% saam met Bog, tradition and ethos does the rest.
@DJOU- I believe you-this is unfortunately part and parcel of schoolboy rugby in south africa which have taken over in the “professional” era of rugby.One has to realise that there is just no way that any TOP rugby school in South Africa, can produce top players every year in and out due to their ‘natural talent” the schools have. I admit that poaching is happening, from Grey college, to Affies, to Garsfontein, to Glenwood, to Westville, to Waterkloof, to Menlopark , to Paarl boys high , to Paarl gym to Paul Roos to EG Jansen and and and…we read the articles and it is happening. And it will not be stopped in future until the day that rugby is not played in SA anymore..
@Jakes: Remeber my previous post. You didn’t believe me. Well, it made the papers now. And everybody that knows anything about SBR knows that EG Jansen has been doing this for years. One particular person is behind everything.
@ Bog- I can recall on 1 or 2 “top 20” school rankings in 2013, they ranked a certain school with Fresh air,prayer and excellent coaching, together with a century and a half old ethos, LOWER than a “certain” school on the East rand was ranked .
any more geographical lessons you want to know about our beloved ‘witwatersrand” which have the best rugby schools in the country these days. then I suggest you use “google earth”.. 
@ Bog- Sebokeng is next to Vanderbijlpark, which borders Vereeniging. Daveyton sits between Benoni and Springs. Soweto, well it borders on the west rand and Johannesburg. The whole witwatersrand are surrounded by these townships basically..fighting is an understatement, it is a warzone here if I look at the news and the riots:) one can’t just get into your car here and go anywhere, you will end up in the wrong place if you don’t know where you going:)
@jakes: Fresh air,prayer and excellent coaching, together with a century and a half old ethos, remains the best way to develop talent. Then you dont need to look for talent- the talent looks for you. Where does Sebokeng, Daveyton, and Soweto fit in to all of this? Are they still fighting on the streets as I see they are in Bekkersdal and Witpoortjie?
@ BOG- the whole East rand and West rand and Vaal triangle, used to be called Witwatersrand. The one city just flows into the other city basically. But Boksburg and Vereeniging are about 100 km’s apart. EG Jansen where situated, is also a distance from Brakpan, only a talented few from Brakpan over the years would have had the option to go to EG Jansen.But it does not matter really, Even Grey College has their ways to secure talented players. it happens all over the country, even if it is damduiker style as you said, but it is done
@valke: Sorry, Im not to familiar with that strife torn area. I was under the impression that Boksburg and Vereeniging were like suburbs of Brakpan. Why would anyone take offense at being called “good folks” ?
@beet: Ja, happened last year, or the year before with 2 DPHS scholarship kids if I am not mistaken. Certainly no joke, what are the various parties thinking, especially the school hierarchy that are taking them in?
@Gungets Tuft: I think we have had a few cases similar to this in KZN as well over the years. Hasn’t ever resulted in a charge being laid but schools have had to go and pick up “their kids” from other schools in the past.
Belaglik, maar baie verkeerd. Dink nie EG Jansen se afrigter se optrede gaan vriende maak nie. Ontvoering? Nee. Dit moet teen die ontvoerde se wil wees. Lyk of die seuns wou saamgaan. My voorspelling: Eiergeel op die gesigte van wie ook al die klagte gemaak het!
@Scrum Doctor: I, on the other hand, hope the schools are as good as the boys think.
Seems to me that the schools are assuming parental rights – where are the parents in all this, why were they not collecting the boys from the school, they are 14 years old … 14!!
Sounds less like poaching (hijacking/abduction) and more like human trafficking …
@BOG: Some people might take offence to a statement like that.
EG Jansen is in BOKSBURG, with not to many Brakpan kids. The coaches in question are from Boksburg and Vereeniging respectively. Not sure where Brakpan fits into this.
@Queenian: Hey have not seen you around of late.
Now you well connected at Muir I heard last night at the Uitenhage Cricket Club that 2 Muir boys had to be rescued from Noord Kaap the other day.
Well all I can say is well done to Muir for not just excepting it and doing something about it but they say the one front rank is still there.
@Queenian: Pigs are only happy in Israel and the Muslim countries. In the NE Cape, they all suffer from high blood pressure and stress. Wonder why?
I have always wondered why the good folks of Brakpan, are called “Damduikers”. At least this explains it partially.
@beet: This seems to be the order of the day.
Really not sure were this type of thing will end.
Saw the two Muir boys yesterday they seem as happy as pigs to be back.
If this was not so serious it would actually be funny ! Hope these two boys are as good as the various schools think they are !
@ Beet- het nou die storie gelees in Beeld. Ek sien hoekom hulle ‘n “ontvoering “klagte gele het, want die seuns is sak en pak weg, sonder om uit te teken. Hulle het ook nie terug gekeer na die hostel toe nie..Ek dink dit kan verhouding skade doen tussen die 2 skole. Vereeniging gym is ‘n nuwe gekombineerde skool in die Valke streek en hul rugby tel vinnig op..(HTS Vereeniging en Vereeniging het saam gesmelt)
@jakes: I just tried to translate what the Beeld said. They used the word: “Ontvoering” and that seems like it was the charge laid by V/Gim.
On the other hand, rugby in top SA schools are teaching some of the talented young rugby players the wrong morals these days. Loyalty and all goes out of the door once a better opportunity comes up..but that is the future of the professional era I suppose, even in schools. Even EG Jansen is loosing players to other bigger regions and schools
Kidnapping is maybe a harsh word to use..it was just talks behind closed car doors to discuss a possible future at one of the best rugby schools in the country.
Everybody else does it these days. If they were safely returned to their hostels and the meetings was pre-arranged ,I think kidnapping is a bit of a wild statement then
No way – this is actually quite funny, something out of a comedy movie!