Super Rugby 2019 discussion thread

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Some of the discussion points

    1. Blitzbokke. Sevens players in Super Rugby
    2. Fast-tracking. SA Super Rugby squads are now younger than ever.
    3. Coaching. Is SA being left behind?
    4. 2020 and beyond. What should SANZAAR be doing do to save Super Rugby?
    5. RWC year. The Bok engine room looks sound enough. The looseforwards could be better especially in the fetcher department. The backs are a serious concern. Which players are putting their hands up for a late charge inclusion in the Bok RWC squad and can they add value?
SR TEAM POS NAME SCHOOL SCH REGION
Bulls PR Matthys Basson 1 of 1 Boland Landbou 1 of 48 WP
Bulls PR Lizo Gqoboka 1 of 1 Ntabankulu 1 of 14 Border
Bulls PR Madot Mabokela 1 of 3 Ben Vorster 1 of 5 Limpopo
Bulls PR Simphiwe Matanzima 1 of 2 Queen’s 2 of 14 Border
Bulls PR Nqoba Mxoli 1 of 3 Westville 1 of 25 KZN
Bulls PR Trevor Nyakane 2 of 3 Ben Vorster 2 of 5 Limpopo
Bulls PR Dayan van der Westhuizen 1 of 1 Centurion 1 of 29 Bulls
Bulls PR Conraad van Vuuren 1 of 3 Nelspruit 1 of 8 Pumas
Bulls HK Schalk Brits 1 of 10 Paul Roos 2 of 48 WP
Bulls HK Corniel Els 1 of 5 Grey College 1 of 6 Free State
Bulls HK Johan Grobbelaar 1 of 11 Paarl Gim 3 of 48 WP
Bulls HK Edgar Marutlulle 1 of 1 Potch BH 1 of 3 Leopards
Bulls HK Jaco Visagie 1 of 1 Augsburg 1 of 11 Boland
Bulls LK Lood de Jager 1 of 1 Hugenote (Springs) 1 of 7 Valke
Bulls LK Jason Jenkins 1 of 4 St Alban’s 2 of 29 Bulls
Bulls LK Eli Snyman 1 of 3 Eldoraigne 3 of 29 Bulls
Bulls LK RG Snyman 1 of 7 Affies 4 of 29 Bulls
Bulls LK Hendre Stassen 1 of 2 EG Jansen 2 of 7 Valke
Bulls LF Tim Agaba 1 of 1 Stirling 3 of 14 Border
Bulls LF Thembelani Bholi 1 of 1 Jamangile 4 of 14 Border
Bulls LF Nick de Jager 1 of 1 St John’s 1 of 23 Lions
Bulls LF Carel du Preez 1 of 1 Noordkaapland 1 of 2 Griquas
Bulls LF Jannes Kirsten 2 of 7 Affies 5 of 29 Bulls
Bulls LF Hanro Liebenberg 1 of 2 Drostdy 2 of 11 Boland
Bulls LF Paul Schoeman 1 of 1 Marlow 1 of 8 EP
Bulls LF Roelof Smit 1 of 6 Waterkloof 6 of 29 Bulls
Bulls LF Ruan Steenkamp 1 of 9 Monument 2 of 23 Lions
Bulls LF Muller Uys 2 of 11 Paarl Gim 4 of 48 WP
Bulls LF Marco van Staden 1 of 1 Bekker 3 of 23 Lions
Bulls LF Jano Venter 1 of 4 HTS Middelburg 2 of 8 Pumas
Bulls LF Duane Vermeulen 2 of 3 Nelspruit 3 of 8 Pumas
Bulls SH Theo Maree 3 of 3 Ben Vorster 3 of 5 Limpopo
Bulls SH Embrose Papier 1 of 6 Garsfontein 7 of 29 Bulls
Bulls SH Ivan van Zyl 3 of 7 Affies 8 of 29 Bulls
Bulls SH André Warner 1 of 5 Tygerberg 5 of 48 WP
Bulls FH Marnitz Boshoff 3 of 3 Nelspruit 4 of 8 Pumas
Bulls FH Manie Libbok 1 of 4 Outeniqua 1 of 5 SWD
Bulls FH Handré Pollard 3 of 11 Paarl Gim 6 of 48 WP
Bulls CT Stedman Gans 2 of 6 Waterkloof 9 of 29 Bulls
Bulls CT JT Jackson 1 of 1 Oakdale 2 of 5 SWD
Bulls CT Jesse Kriel 1 of 3 Maritzburg College 2 of 25 KZN
Bulls CT Franco Naude 2 of 6 Garsfontein 10 of 29 Bulls
Bulls CT Burger Odendaal 2 of 9 Monument 4 of 23 Lions
Bulls CT Dylan Sage 1 of 2 Wynberg 7 of 48 WP
Bulls WG Cornal Hendricks 1 of 1 Bergrivier 3 of 11 Boland
Bulls WG Travis Ismaiel 2 of 5 Tygerberg 8 of 48 WP
Bulls WG Johnny Kotze 1 of 2 Bishops 9 of 48 WP
Bulls WG Duncan Matthews 1 of 3 Swartland 4 of 11 Boland
Bulls WG Rosko Specman 1 of 1 Kingswood 2 of 8 EP
Bulls WG Jade Stighling 2 of 4 St Alban’s 11 of 29 Bulls
Bulls FB Warrick Gelant 2 of 4 Outeniqua 3 of 5 SWD
Bulls FB Divan Rossouw 1 of 1 Windhoek Gim 1 of 1 Namibia
Lions PR Jacobie Adriaanse 4 of 11 Paarl Gim 10 of 48 WP
Lions PR Chergin Fillies 3 of 6 Waterkloof 12 of 29 Bulls
Lions PR Johannes Jonker 1 of 1 Hudson Park 5 of 14 Border
Lions PR Nathan McBeth 3 of 9 Monument 5 of 23 Lions
Lions PR Danie Mienie 1 of 1 Merensky 4 of 5 Limpopo
Lions PR Carlu Sadie 1 of 1 Bellville 11 of 48 WP
Lions PR Sti Sithole 2 of 3 Westville 3 of 25 KZN
Lions PR Dylan Smith 1 of 4 KES 6 of 23 Lions
Lions PR Frans van Wyk 4 of 9 Monument 7 of 23 Lions
Lions HK Jan-Henning Campher 3 of 6 Garsfontein 13 of 29 Bulls
Lions HK Robbie Coetzee 2 of 3 Eldoraigne 14 of 29 Bulls
Lions HK Pieter Jansen 2 of 2 EG Jansen 3 of 7 Valke
Lions HK Malcolm Marx 2 of 4 KES 8 of 23 Lions
Lions LK Lourens Erasmus 4 of 6 Garsfontein 15 of 29 Bulls
Lions LK Rhyno Herbst 5 of 9 Monument 9 of 23 Lions
Lions LK Robert Kruger 1 of 1 Standerton 5 of 8 Pumas
Lions LK Stephan Lewies 1 of 1 Transvalia 4 of 7 Valke
Lions LK Reinhard Nothnagel 6 of 9 Monument 10 of 23 Lions
Lions LK Marvin Orie 3 of 5 Tygerberg 12 of 48 WP
Lions LK PJ Steenkamp 5 of 6 Garsfontein 16 of 29 Bulls
Lions LK Ruan Vermaak 7 of 9 Monument 11 of 23 Lions
Lions FL Cyle Brink 3 of 4 KES 12 of 23 Lions
Lions FL Hacjivah Dayimani 1 of 4 Jeppe 13 of 23 Lions
Lions FL Jo-Hanko de Villiers 3 of 3 Eldoraigne 17 of 29 Bulls
Lions FL Len Massyn 8 of 9 Monument 14 of 23 Lions
Lions FL Marnus Schoeman 4 of 6 Waterkloof 18 of 29 Bulls
Lions FL Kwagga Smith 2 of 4 HTS Middelburg 6 of 8 Pumas
Lions FL Vincent Tshituka 1 of 1 Northcliff 15 of 23 Lions
Lions FL James Venter 1 of 8 Glenwood 4 of 25 KZN
Lions FL Warren Whiteley 2 of 8 Glenwood 5 of 25 KZN
Lions SH Ross Cronje 1 of 3 Michaelhouse 6 of 25 KZN
Lions SH Nic Groom 1 of 3 Rondebosch 13 of 48 WP
Lions SH Dillon Smit 3 of 4 HTS Middelburg 7 of 8 Pumas
Lions SH Bradley Thain 1 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 14 of 48 WP
Lions SH Morne van den Berg 1 of 1 Linden 16 of 23 Lions
Lions FH Eddie Fouche 4 of 7 Affies 19 of 29 Bulls
Lions FH Elton Jantjies 1 of 1 Florida 17 of 23 Lions
Lions FH Shaun Reynolds 1 of 1 Goudveld 1 of 4 Griffons
Lions CT Jan-Louis la Grange 2 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 15 of 48 WP
Lions CT Lionel Mapoe 1 of 1 Fichardtpark 2 of 6 Free State
Lions CT Manuel Rass 3 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 16 of 48 WP
Lions CT Wandisile Simelane 2 of 4 Jeppe 18 of 23 Lions
Lions CT Wayne van der Bank 1 of 1 Menlopark 20 of 29 Bulls
Lions CT Louritz van der Schyff 5 of 7 Affies 21 of 29 Bulls
Lions CT Harold Vorster 1 of 1 Frans du Toit 5 of 5 Limpopo
Lions WG Ruan Combrinck 2 of 3 Michaelhouse 7 of 25 KZN
Lions WG Aphiwe Dyantyi 1 of 5 Dale 6 of 14 Border
Lions WG Tyrone Green 3 of 4 Jeppe 19 of 23 Lions
Lions WG Courtnall Skosan 1 of 1 Brackenfell 17 of 48 WP
Lions WG Madosh Tambwe 1 of 1 Parktown 20 of 23 Lions
Lions FB Andries Coetzee 4 of 4 HTS Middelburg 8 of 8 Pumas
Lions FB Gianni Lombard 4 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 18 of 48 WP
Lions FB Sylvian Mahuza 3 of 4 Outeniqua 4 of 5 SWD
Sharks PR Thomas du Toit 5 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 19 of 48 WP
Sharks PR Mzamo Majola 3 of 3 Westville 8 of 25 KZN
Sharks PR Khutha Mchunu 3 of 8 Glenwood 9 of 25 KZN
Sharks PR John-Hubert Meyer 2 of 10 Paul Roos 20 of 48 WP
Sharks PR Tendai Mtawarira 1 of 1 Peterhouse (Zim) 1 of 1 Zimbabwe
Sharks PR Coenie Oosthuizen 2 of 5 Grey College 3 of 6 Free State
Sharks PR Juan Schoeman 6 of 7 Affies 22 of 29 Bulls
Sharks HK Fezo Mbatha 2 of 3 Maritzburg College 10 of 25 KZN
Sharks HK Chiliboy Ralepelle 1 of 1 Pretoria BH 23 of 29 Bulls
Sharks HK Akker van der Merwe 4 of 4 Outeniqua 5 of 5 SWD
Sharks HK Kerron van Vuuren 4 of 8 Glenwood 11 of 25 KZN
Sharks LK Hyron Andrews 6 of 6 Garsfontein 24 of 29 Bulls
Sharks LK Ruan Botha 1 of 1 Jeugland 5 of 7 Valke
Sharks LK Andrew Evans 1 of 1 Clifton 12 of 25 KZN
Sharks LK Gideon Koegelenberg 1 of 1 Hugenote 5 of 11 Boland
Sharks LK JJ van der Mescht 5 of 8 Glenwood 13 of 25 KZN
Sharks LK Ruben van Heerden 7 of 7 Affies 25 of 29 Bulls
Sharks LF Phepsi Buthelezi 1 of 2 DHS 14 of 25 KZN
Sharks LF Kwanda Dimaza 2 of 5 Dale 7 of 14 Border
Sharks LF Dan du Preez 1 of 4 Kearsney 15 of 25 KZN
Sharks LF Jean-Luc du Preez 2 of 4 Kearsney 16 of 25 KZN
Sharks LF Tera Mtembu 3 of 5 Dale 8 of 14 Border
Sharks LF Tyler Paul 1 of 1 St Andrew’s 3 of 8 EP
Sharks LF Dylan Richardson 3 of 4 Kearsney 17 of 25 KZN
Sharks LF Luke Stringer 2 of 3 Rondebosch 21 of 48 WP
Sharks LF Philip van der Walt 1 of 1 Adelaide Gim 2 of 4 Griffons
Sharks LF Jacques Vermeulen 5 of 11 Paarl Gim 22 of 48 WP
Sharks LF Wian Vosloo 1 of 2 Klerksdorp 2 of 3 Leopards
Sharks SH Sanele Nohamba 2 of 2 DHS 18 of 25 KZN
Sharks SH Louis Schreuder 6 of 11 Paarl Gim 23 of 48 WP
Sharks SH Grant Williams 7 of 11 Paarl Gim 24 of 48 WP
Sharks SH Cameron Wright 1 of 1 Hilton 19 of 25 KZN
Sharks FH Curwin Bosch 1 of 5 Grey HS 4 of 8 EP
Sharks FH Robert du Preez 4 of 4 Kearsney 20 of 25 KZN
Sharks CT Lukhanyo Am 1 of 1 De Vos Malan 9 of 14 Border
Sharks CT Andre Esterhuizen 2 of 2 Klerksdorp 3 of 3 Leopards
Sharks CT Marius Louw 3 of 5 Grey College 4 of 6 Free State
Sharks CT Jeremy Ward 2 of 5 Grey HS 5 of 8 EP
Sharks WG Muller du Plessis 8 of 11 Paarl Gim 25 of 48 WP
Sharks WG Aphelele Fassi 4 of 5 Dale 10 of 14 Border
Sharks WG Makazole Mapimpi 1 of 1 Jim Mvabasa 11 of 14 Border
Sharks WG Lwazi Mvovo 1 of 1 Maria Louw 12 of 14 Border
Sharks WG S’busiso Nkosi 4 of 4 Jeppe 21 of 23 Lions
Sharks WG Kobus van Wyk 9 of 11 Paarl Gim 26 of 48 WP
Sharks WG Leolin Zas 1 of 1 Hermanus 6 of 11 Boland
Sharks FB Rhyno Smith 6 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 27 of 48 WP
Sharks FB Courtney Winnaar 5 of 5 Dale 13 of 14 Border
Stormers PR Kwenzo Blose 6 of 8 Glenwood 21 of 25 KZN
Stormers PR Neethling Fouche 4 of 5 Grey College 5 of 6 Free State
Stormers PR Corne Fourie 5 of 6 Waterkloof 26 of 29 Bulls
Stormers PR Steven Kitshoff 3 of 10 Paul Roos 28 of 48 WP
Stormers PR Michael Kumbirai 3 of 4 St Alban’s 27 of 29 Bulls
Stormers PR Wilco Louw 2 of 2 Drostdy 7 of 11 Boland
Stormers PR Frans Malherbe 7 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 29 of 48 WP
Stormers PR Lee-Marvin Mazibuko 3 of 3 Michaelhouse 22 of 25 KZN
Stormers PR Alistair Vermaak 1 of 1 Hentie Cilliers 3 of 4 Griffons
Stormers HK Bongi Mbonambi 4 of 4 St Alban’s 28 of 29 Bulls
Stormers HK Scarra Ntubeni 4 of 4 KES 22 of 23 Lions
Stormers HK Ramone Samuels 4 of 10 Paul Roos 30 of 48 WP
Stormers HK Chad Solomon 5 of 10 Paul Roos 31 of 48 WP
Stormers LK Johan du Toit 2 of 3 Swartland 8 of 11 Boland
Stormers LK Pieter-Steph du Toit 3 of 3 Swartland 9 of 11 Boland
Stormers LK Eben Etzebeth 4 of 5 Tygerberg 32 of 48 WP
Stormers LK Salmaan Moerat 8 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 33 of 48 WP
Stormers LK JD Schickerling 10 of 11 Paarl Gim 34 of 48 WP
Stormers LK Ernst van Rhyn 11 of 11 Paarl Gim 35 of 48 WP
Stormers LK Chris van Zyl 3 of 3 Rondebosch 36 of 48 WP
Stormers LF Juarno Augustus 5 of 5 Tygerberg 37 of 48 WP
Stormers LF Jaco Coetzee 7 of 8 Glenwood 23 of 25 KZN
Stormers LF Siya Kolisi 3 of 5 Grey HS 6 of 8 EP
Stormers LF Chris Massyn 9 of 9 Monument 23 of 23 Lions
Stormers LF Sikhumbuzo Notshe 2 of 2 Wynberg 38 of 48 WP
Stormers LF Kobus van Dyk 1 of 1 Overberg 10 of 11 Boland
Stormers LF Cobus Wiese 1 of 1 Upington 2 of 2 Griquas
Stormers LF Nama Xaba 8 of 8 Glenwood 24 of 25 KZN
Stormers SH Paul de Wet 9 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 39 of 48 WP
Stormers SH Herschel Jantjies 6 of 10 Paul Roos 40 of 48 WP
Stormers SH Justin Phillips 6 of 6 Waterkloof 29 of 29 Bulls
Stormers SH Jano Vermaak 1 of 1 Vereeniging Gim 6 of 7 Valke
Stormers FH Jean-Luc du Plessis 10 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 41 of 48 WP
Stormers FH Joshua Stander 2 of 2 Queen’s 14 of 14 Border
Stormers FH Damian Willemse 7 of 10 Paul Roos 42 of 48 WP
Stormers CT Damian de Allende 1 of 1 Milnerton 43 of 48 WP
Stormers CT Daniel du Plessis 8 of 10 Paul Roos 44 of 48 WP
Stormers CT JJ Engelbrecht 4 of 5 Grey HS 7 of 8 EP
Stormers CT Dan Kriel 3 of 3 Maritzburg College 25 of 25 KZN
Stormers CT Ruhan Nel 1 of 1 Brandwag (Benoni) 7 of 7 Valke
Stormers WG Dillyn Leyds 2 of 2 Bishops 45 of 48 WP
Stormers WG Sergeal Petersen 5 of 5 Grey HS 8 of 8 EP
Stormers WG Duncan Saal 1 of 1 Kasselvlei 11 of 11 Boland
Stormers WG Seabelo Senatla 1 of 1 Riebeeckstad 4 of 4 Griffons
Stormers WG Edwill van der Merwe 9 of 10 Paul Roos 46 of 48 WP
Stormers FB Craig Barry 10 of 10 Paul Roos 47 of 48 WP
Stormers FB SP Marais 11 of 11 HJS Paarl BH 48 of 48 WP
Stormers FB EW Viljoen 5 of 5 Grey College 6 of 6 Free State

12 Comments

  1. Wow 40-3 for the Bulls, I don’t think anybody expect such a score. While I am happy for the Bulls I can’t help but feel sad for a player like Senatla. In my opinion the best Sevens player in the World. I know this blog is for SBR, but I think there is space to debate the success of players making the transition from Sevens to Super rugby. Maybe Beet can start a new threat to discus this. Specman was immense today and Senatla? Both should be playing Sevens for SA.

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  2. @Wonder: Hi Wonder. I took you up on your suggestion.

    I think in most cases the Sevens players joining Super Rugby teams is purely financial. Better contracts and better opportunities to advance. However not many Sevens players make a successful transition. Specman had an eye-catching game but his small frame is bound to face bigger tests in the months to come. Senatla should probably go back to Sevens and try to build a legacy in that form of the game that could carry him for years after his playing days are over. It might prove far more valuable in the long run than whatever he earns to watch SR.

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  3. @beet: I think SA Rugby should find a way to get players like Senatla to focus on Sevens. My concern is 12 and 13 and to a lessor extent 15.Galant has the potential,but seems to pick up injuries. I fancy Pollard at 12 with Ruhan Nel at 13,who do you play at 10?

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  4. First of all, a very poor performance by the Stormers. They never looked like scoring a try, they were lethargic and their general handling was pathetic, not to mention an extremely weak defensive line allowing the Bulls to break the line with ease on a lot of occasions. The Bulls on the other hand (Sorry Naas) were full value for their 40 points and deserves all the accolades thrown at them.

    My 5 cents worth, I agree fully that Senatla should be playing 7’s, as he is a superstar and will add a lot more value to the 7’s team, because in the past 2 seasons he hardly got game time in the 15’s. However, surely Senatla and Sergeal Peterson offers a lot more on attack (and both are deadly finishers) than SP Marais and JJ Engelbrecht currently do? In my opinion a winger’s first job is to finish, and both Senatla and Peterson can surely do that.

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  5. Nice to see three St Alban’s old boys playing Super Rugby and a fourth (Jade Stighling) will probably play for the Bulls at some point during the campaign.

    On a different note, can anyone let me know why the Stormers loaned Sadie to the Lions? He was immense on Saturday. Despite attending an unfancied school, he made the W Province (where great props are aplenty) CW team in grade 11 & 12, played for the SA u20 two years in a row and played Super Rugby for the Stormers as a 20 year old. Clearly this lad has been showing great promise from a young age.

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  6. SBR observations in here. GCB only contributing 5 players with the absence of the Cheetahs, I would have thought there would be more, but guess their overseas contingent may be the highest? Then, the other 5, Bois, Gim, PRG, Monnas and AHS showing some good consistency between their 6-year avg ranking and their contribution to SR.

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  7. @Vleis: At the Stormers he was behind 2 Boks,Frans Malherbe (injured currently though) and Wilco Louw. Some also argue that Neethling Fouché has overtaken him in the pecking order. It might be that he will return to Western Province after Super Rugby when the union will be without their Springboks. Given their current financial situation they might not…..
    Carlü Sadie has really impressed against the Jaguares. He made 3 turnovers in the 1st half of which 2 were penalties awarded to the Lions. That one massive scrum on the tryline of the Jaguares was really impressive. He never went backwards once in the scrums. I know there are many “kenners” doubting his ability. I really trust that he can build on Saturday’s performance.
    By the way, in his Academy Team year in grade 11 as well as his grade 12 year (playing Craven Week) he was the only prop from a Premier B School (Bellville Hoër)out of 8 props selected in both teams.

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  8. @BuffelsCM: Thanks for the info.

    Even if some “kenners” doubt his ability, there are clearly many more “kenners” that rate his ability given his long history of selection to provincial, national, super rugby teams at a young age and with the odds against him. If (and this is a big if) he continues with his current form, he won’t be returning to WP for the CC, as he’ll be in the Bok squad for the RWC.

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  9. With regards to the SA Blitzbokke I think they are definitely missing a star finisher like Senalta but I also feel like they have lost that aggressive edge this season. There’s been a bit of a physical element to aspects of their play in the last couple of seasons which seem to have disappeared. I remembered the time when Robert Ebersohn and even a younger Frankie Horn were in the team when the BB’w first won the overall title, they had that physical dimension as well. Even though its a cardio sport where the hands and twinkle toes do most of the talking, I remember Ebersohn would often engage defenders by running straight and hard at them instead of into the gaps. It helps to make defenders hurt a little and wear them down in that manner.

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  10. I say again Peyper is an ass not officiating the Tahs constant offside play

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