Varsity Cup 2019

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FNB MATIES W U T C N U B S U
I C U U W J Y H W
T T K T U E I C
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RESULT W W W
FOR 33 66 26
AGAINST 17 5 24
Ricky Nwagbara Jeppe 1 1 1
HJ Luus Paarl Gim 2 2 2
Piet-Louw Strauss Oakdale 3 3 3
Jordan Sesink-Clee Michaelhouse 5 4 4
Johan Momsen Paarl Gim 5 5
Johann van Niekerk Grey HS 6 6 6
Ernst van Rhyn Paarl Gim 7 7
Stefan Streicher Oakdale 8 8 8
Logan Boonzaaier Groendal 9 9 9
Jordan Chait SACS 10 10 10
Munier Hartzenberg Rangers YC 11 11 11
Chris Smit Paul Roos 12 12 12
Cornel Smit Bishops 13 13 13
Duncan Saal Kasselsvlei 14 14 14
Edwill van der Merwe Paul Roos 15 15 15
Dan Jooste HJS Paarl BH 16 16 16
Wayrin Losper HTS Bellville 17 17 17
Leon Lyons Selborne 18 18 18
Ben-Jason Dixon Paul Roos 20 19 19
Mitchell Carstens Paul Roos 19 20 20
Brendon Nell Paarl Gim 21 21 21
Reinhardt Fortuin Paul Roos 22 22 22
Thoko Seerane Ben Vorster 23 23 23
Bernard Jansen Diamantveld 4
Chris Massyn Monument 7
FNB UP-TUKS C U M W U S N U B
U J A I W H W C Y
T T T C I U T E
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RESULT W W L
FOR 23 40 24
AGAINST 6 19 26
Etienne Janeke Nico Malan 1 1 1
Werner Fourie EG Jansen 2 2 2
JP Smith Bishops 3
Marius Verwey Middelburg 5 5 4
Ruan Nortje Wonderboom 4 5
Stephan Smit 6 6 6
Ewart Potgieter Pionier 20 7 7
Denzil Hill Jeppe 8 8 8
Theo Maree Ben Vorster 9 9 9
Tinus de Beer Waterkloof 10 10 10
Ciaran Dayaram SACS 11 11 11
Erich Cronje EG Jansen 13 13 12
Lourens Pretorius 13
Dewald Naude HJS Paarl BH 14 14 14
Vaughen Isaacs Marlow 22 15 15
Llwellyn Claasens 17 16 16
Cabous Eloff Affies 16 17 17
Bart le Roux Framesby 18 18 18
Brian Leitch KES 4 19 19
Reagan Oranje Queen’s College 20
Damian Bonaparte Outeniqua 15 21 21
Irvin Ali EG Jansen 23 22 22
Hanru Sirgel Grens 7 23 23
James Smith Eldoraigne 3
Wian van Niekerk Paarl Gim 12 12
Romeo Eksteen Drostdy 21 20
Denver Prins Worcester Gym 3
Etienne Oosthuizen Kempton Park 19
FNB UJ N T C U W M U B S
W U U C I A W Y H
U K T T T T C E I
S S M
RESULT L L L
FOR 8 19 26
AGAINST 23 40 27
Kayden Kiewett Hugenote 1 1 1
Willem Du Plessis KES 2 2 2
Stephen Bhasera Falcon (Zim) 3 3 3
Malembe Mpofu 4 4
Adriaan Bester HTS Middelburg 5 4 5
Edwin Jansen EG Jansen 7 7 6
Siyabonga Luwaca Hentie Cilliers 20 20 7
Dian Schoonees Grey College 8 8 8
Jack Hart Affies 9 9 9
Jeanluc Cilliers HJS Paarl BH 10 10 10
Shaun Williams Garsfontein 11 11 11
Cyprian Nkomo Middelburg 12 12 12
Siphesihle Radebe 13 13 13
Tatendaishe Mujawo St Benedict’s 23 14 14
Odwa Nkunjana Monument 14 15 15
Lehlohonolo Mphuthi 16 16 16
Pierre Rabie Linden 17 17 17
Coenrad Vrey Monument 18 18
Tyler Brown 5 19
Siyabonga Masuku Piet Retief 19 19 20
Johan Esterhuizen Monument 21 21
Tyreeq February HJS Paarl BH 22 23 22
Wynand Botha 21 23
Khanya Ncusane HJS Paarl BH 6 6
Darryle Kameel Outeniqua 15 22
FNB WITS M C S T U B U U N
A U H U J Y C W W
T T I K E T C U
M S
RESULT L W L
FOR 17 25 26
AGAINST 33 15 33
Bheki Shongwe Barbarton 1 1 1
CJ Conradie Monument 2 2
Reynard Cronje 18 3 3
Kevin du Randt Glenwood 4 4 4
Conor Brockschmidt KES 5 5 5
Constant Beckerling Helpmekaar 6 6 6
Cal Smid Rondebosch 7 20 7
Phillip Krause Affies 8 8 8
Krappies van den Berg Linden 9 15 9
Kurt Webster DHS 10 12 10
Daniel Kasande Maritzburg College 11 11
??? 12
Yanga Hlalu KES 13 13 13
Kwanele Ngema Greytown High 14 14 14
Morne van den Berg 4 15
Justin Brandon Monument 16 2 16
Craig Hume Trinityhouse 17 17 17
Keagan Glade KES 3 18
Pascal Snyman 19 19 19
Sipho Siboza Pietersburg 20 7 20
Ruan Cloete 21 9 21
Jared Fuller Trinityhouse 22 22 22
Neil Nyembe 23 23 23
Chris Humphries Trinityhouse 15 10
Mark Snyman Helpmekaar 16
Luyolo Qinela Selborne 18
Sicelo Champion KES 11 21
AJ van Blerk Helpmekaar 12 24
FNB NWU U B U S M U T C W
J Y W H A C U U I
E C I T T K T T
M S S
RESULT W W
FOR 23 37
AGAINST 8 21
Botter Moloto 1 1
Louis Van Der Westhuizen 2 2
Robert Hunt Drostdy 3 3
Johan Retief 4 4
Danny Du Plooy 5 5
Gideon Van Der Merwe Nelspruit 6 6
Wandile Mazibuko Glenwood 7 7
Wian Conradie 8 8
Chriswill September 9 9
Schalk Hugo Worcester Gim 10 10
Lungelo Gosa Selborne 11 11
AK Nela Glenwood 12 12
Evardi Boshoff Lichtenburg 13 13
Pienaar Van Niekerk Grey College 14 14
Chuiner Van Rooyen Helpmekaar 15 15
Marius Stander 16 16
Douglas Bruce-Smith Klerksdorp 17 17
Matimu Mangayi 18 18
Reuben Du Plooy Marais Viljoen 19 19
Senzo Mkhize 24 20
Eugene Hare 25 21
BF van Staden 22
Khulu Mcuma 23
Edward Haas Drostdy 20
Sylvester Hassien Outeniqua 21
BF Van Standen 22
Mitchell Van Der Merwe Potch Gim 23
FNB UCT U T B U S N W T C
W U Y J H W I U U
C K E I U T K T
S M S S
RESULT W L
FOR 32 5
AGAINST 24 66
Ashwyn Adams Rondebosch 1 1
Cuan Hablutzel Bishops 2 2
Michael Kumbirai St Alban’s 3
Duncan Saffy Hilton 19 4
David Meihuizen HJS Paarl BH 5 5
Niel Otto Outeniqua 6
Josh Moon Michaelhouse 7 7
Nyasha Tarusenga St Benedict’s 8 8
Stef de Gouveia Rondebosch 9 9
Michael Brink Grens 22 10
Thobekani Buthelezi 11 11
Robbie Ball St Andrew’s 12 12
Siba Mzanywa Kingswood 23 13
Rayno Mapoe 14
Darian Hock HJS Paarl BH 15 15
Brenton Greaves St Charles 18 16
Ntando Mpofana 16 17
Simon Raw SACS 3 18
Gary Porter Michaelhouse 4 19
Tawanda Mutuma St Stithians 20 20
Lance Steytler 21
Kyle Bowman Maritzburg College 21 22
Jonty Bredell 23
Nama Xaba Glenwood 6
Lohan Lubbe Paarl Gim 10
James Tedder Kearsney 13
Tumi Mogoje SACS 14
Tomasz de Rosenwerth Rondebosch 17
FNB UWC U S N B T C U W M
C H W Y U U J I A
T I U E K T T T
M S S
RESULT L L L
FOR 24 25 21
AGAINST 32 47 37
Luvo Bazi Dale 1 1 1
Jacques Van Zyl Paul Roos 2 2 2
Justin Theys Groote Schuur 3 3 3
Matthew Le Roux HJS Paarl BH 18 4 4
Curtley Thomas Fairbairn 5 5 5
Joel Paarwater 19 6
Tyler Gessler SACS 6 6 7
Adrian Paarwater Bishops 8 8 8
Clayton Daniels Hottentots-Holland 9 9 9
Keagan Fortune WCSS 21 21 10
Andre Manuel Bishops 11 11 11
Lyle Hendricks Paul Roos 12 12 12
Lubelo Scott Bishops 13 13 13
Juandre De Klerk Durbanville 22 14 14
Tristan Leyds Bishops 15 15 15
Luan Du Randt Swartland 16 16 16
Alexander Mbete Paul Roos 17 17
Reece Bocks Swartland 7 7 18
Jean-Louis De Lange Brackenfell 19 18 19
Labib Kannemeyer Wynberg 20 20 20
Aidynn Cupido Paul Roos 10 10 21
Luke Cyster 22 22
Hendrick Calitz 23 23
Dandre Degenaar HJS Paarl BH 17
Pieter-Styl Swanepoel Nico Malan 4
Kurt-Lee Arendse Paulus Joubert 14
FNB CUT T W U M B U S N U
U I J A Y W H W C
K T T E C I U T
S M
RESULT L L W
FOR 6 15 27
AGAINST 23 25 26
Edward Davids Fichardtpark 1 1 1
Anrich Alberts Framesby 2 2 2
Tebogo Masemola 18 18 3
SJ Wessels Sentraal 4 4 4
Rayno Nel Duineveld 8 5
Ruan Smit 6 6 6
Luvuyo Ndevo 7 7 7
Hardus Nel 8
Nikky Hattingh 9 9 9
Marc Morrison KES 10 10 10
Karabo Maqeba Retief (Kastell) 11 11
Johan Nel Tom Naudé 22 12
Ruan Wasserman Jim Fouche 13 13 13
Jason Raubenheimer Selborne 15 14 14
Heinrich Bitzi Grey College 12 12 15
Ruben Cross HTS Middelburg 16 16 16
Quinton Vorster Glenwood 17 17 17
Henco Smit Garsfontein 3 3 18
Sylvester Makakole Welkom Gim 5 19
Ngozi Songezo 20
Estiaan van Rensburg 21 21 21
Andre Hanekom Stellenberg 20 8 22
Cohan Jasper Drostdy 23 15 23
Brandon Fortuin 19 5
Stefan Kruger 19
Johannes Terblanche 20
Message Nkosi Ligbron 23
Rassie Breedt 11
Dimitrio Tieties Noord-Kaap 14
Jan Kotze Heidelberg Volkskool 22
SHIMLAS B U W N U T C M U
Y W I W C U U A J
E C T U T K T T
S S
RESULT W W
FOR 47 33
AGAINST 25 26
Bhekinkosi Qaba Cambridge 1 1
Hanno Snyman 2 2
Cornelius Kramer Grey College 3 3
Sibabalo Qoma Westville 4 4
Mervyn Roos Boland Landbou 5 5
Janco Cloete Diamantveld 6 6
Henk Pretorius Affies 7 7
Mihlali Peter Queen’s 8 8
Izak Burger Paarl Gim 9 9
Justin Taylor Helpmekaar 10 10
Marnus Boshoff Grey College 11 11
William Eybers Oakdale 12 12
Kurt Eybers Oakdale 13 13
Cham Zondeki DHS 14 14
Sechaba Matsoele 15 15
Willem Marais Grey College 16 16
John Henry Fincham Grey College 17 17
Thembinkosi Mangwana St Benedict’s 18 18
Olehile Losaba Kingswood 19 19
Menzi Nhlabathi 20 20
Rewan Kruger Grey College 21 21
Ruan Henning Garsfontein 22 22
Charl Pretorius Grey College 23 23

266 Comments

  1. Tuks one team played the Naka Bulls and the other player a Bulls combined team
    Think they won both matches but I am not excited.

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  2. Maties beat UWC 64 – 12 in a warm up game on Saturday. Maties lost a number of senior players from last year but just have so much depth and talent and will be the team to beat again this year. UWC may struggle in the VC this year but have some really good players.

    I went to watch the Ikeys play an invitational team in the Doc Cecil Moss memorial game. The under 20’s played first and they are an excellent team. This is the first year the “Young Guns” will play a full round of matches against the same opposition as the senior side. Some nice fatties in the front row but may struggle in the lineouts against bigger sides.

    For the senior game the Invitational team were a strong side but the Ikeys won by two scores. Solid pack of forwards and should make a semi-final, all being well.

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  3. Shimlas het Saterdag, 12 Jan met 2 spanne teen Cheetahs gespeel en speel Donderdag teen UJ in Kroonstad. Glo die top spanne sal Maties, Pukke en Wits wees met die res wat baklei vir die 4de plek. Shimlas het baie jong span en gaan heel moontlik voorlangs sukkel. Sien uit na ‘n opwindende toernooi.

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  4. @OudUppie: Dink nie jy is ver uit met voorspelling nie. Tukkies gaan n baie jong en onervare span he. Young Guns sal soos altyd n goeie span he.
    Moes met my vorige post bygevoeg het dat spelers die heletyd gedurende die wedstryd verander is. Sommige manne was so min as 10 min op veld. Performance agv daarvan was miskien n bietjie misleidend.

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  5. @Toffee: Wow, that’s a big win for Maties. Is Tristan Leyds still playing for UWC? Do you know where I could find the team sheets of UCT, as I’d be curious to see who is in their squad this season.

    @Riempies: Tuks are always strong and always have many x-factor players. I looked at the Varsity Cup of 2014 in wikipedia and noted that 34 out of the 40 Tuks players have a wiki-link to their own wiki page – i.e. they’re well known players like Rohan JvR, Chris Massyn, etc. My alma mater (UCT) has only 7 out of 45 players with a wiki-link to their own page. :lol: :lol: Who are the Tuks stars this year?

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  6. @Vleis: It seems the final squads will only be out later this week or next week. They can only finalize the squads when all students have registered – proof of registration required by Varsity cup. The Shimlas players were requested to all register by coming Wednesday.

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  7. @ Vleis. Unfortunately they did not hand out team sheets. However most of the starting pack are the same as last year. Ashwyn Adams (Rondebosch), Brenton Greaves (St Charles), Simon Raw (SACS), David Meihuizen (Paarl Boys), Gary Porter (Michaelhouse, Nama Xaba (Glenwood) and Josh Moon (Michaelhouse). There are a few who did not play this past Saturday will be in the mix. Unfortunately Ikey prop Wayrin Losper is doing post grad at Maties and will be turning out for them.

    Talking of Maties I think Stephan Streicher will be captain. As a southern suburbs boytjie I noted that Jordan Chiat (SACS) was starting flyhalf, following in the footsteps of Chris Smith. I am not 100% sure but it looked like the Rondebosch wing Mike Movana (spelling…) also in the starting XV and scoring some tries.

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  8. @BuffelsCM: bruikbare speler doen die harde werk vang nie shine nie en is n gebore leier hier is maties nou n goeie move gemaak

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  9. Although UJ suffered a big defeat at the hands of Wits in their friendly this past week-end, I do know that they are currently missing a huge number of their star players for various reasons. Some players have not yet been released by the Lions, while others are nursing some injuries. I expect them to struggle in the opening encounters, but once their line-up are bolstered to full strengh, they will be a handfull. Most of the Lions team that won the SA Currie Cup u/19 (2016) and u/21 (2018) competitions, will be part of the team. They also have a totally new management team, headed by Dewey Swartbooi.

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  10. It’s quite interesting reading what the players are studying. I saw quite a few UJ players have Transport listed as their course.

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  11. @Vleis: I do not know to much about the possible Wits players. I know that the one lock Reinard Nothnagel, and loosie Len Massyn (both previously played for UJ, but moved to Wits) are also currently injured, but mentioned that they would like to play. Both are excellent players.
    Regarding UJ, players like both props, Chergin Fielies and Leo Kruger, Lock/ loosie Darian Lansberg, Scrummie Bradley Thain, Centres Wayne van der Bank and Louritz van der schyff, who all played an important roll in the Lions u/21 team,s success, have not yet been released, or are recovering from injuries.

    I also heard that both UJ and Wits will be fielding fairly new teams. A number of the old hands have finished their studies, while others did not achieve enough credit points to qualify ,or further their studies.

    Yep, Beet ! It is very tough being a fulltime student, as well as a profesional rugby player. According my son, they are only six guys left that are studying fulltime for a degree, from the 2016 Lions junior intake. More than 20 players have stopped their studies. Others, as you have mentioned, are doing diplomas, where they do not have to attend many classes. I still salute these guys. At least they are doing something to further their education.

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  12. @Kattes-Strofes: @beet: Cannot agree with you more. I think tough might be a bit of an understatement. Those player that are contracted to unions first responsibility is towards the union. Thus training and activities are dictated by the union as the are employed by them. Studies are secondary.
    Something I would also like to mention is the transformation criteria. I think a team like Tukkies this year are going to find it extremely difficult to get to these figures.
    I personally and please this is my opinion and only mine they do not have enough first choice player that fill all the criteria for Varsity Cup. They going to struggle to get 8 and start with 5 First choice players. If one get injured they really going to struggle.

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  13. @Riempies: ek sou graag wou sien dat die varsity cup slegs van ongekontrekteurde studente gebuik maak, die unies het die kompetiesie ge hijack en gaan dit nog meer doen omdat daar nou nie meer n O19 komp is nie, hou die varsity cup vir studente en laat die ouens met kontrakte by die unie hulle ding doen

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  14. @Andre T’tjie: Ek stem ook saam hiermee. Wil net noem dat die unies baie nou saamwerk met die universiteite. Laasgenoemde is bereid om die manne n studie beurs te gee, en die unies kan dus dit ook as lokmiddel gebruik om goeie spelers te lok. Almal baat dus hierby. Die unies het nie die uitgawe van spelers studiegeld nie. Die universiteite kry baie goeie spelers, sonder om werwing te hoef doen en die spelers kry die beste van beide.(die wat wel hiervan gebruik maak).
    Ek glo dus nie dat daar sommer vinnig n verandering in hierdie opsig sal plaasvind nie.

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  15. @Kattes-Strofes: amateurs saam met semi prof spelers in een komp stem nie saam nie reg nie studente wat hier speel moet hier speel spelers wat klaar by unies betrokke is hoort nie in die kompetisie nie

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  16. @Kattes-Strofes: hier is my vraag, hoeveel van die unies se elite varsity cup boytjies speelnog na die varsity cup in die gewone clubrugby seisoen vir daardie instellings… Ek voel net dat die studente wat goed genoeg is om die not so glamorous klub kompetiesie diens te doen, die vooreg moet he om varsity cup te speel

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  17. I think that it is important that the University sees these young men as students first and rugby players second.I am not trying to blow UCT’s trumpet but the percentage pass rate the rugby players at UCT have is much higher that the those of the other students at the university, in fact it is joked that by playing rugby you have a better chance of passing! The rugby club partners with a tutoring company to help the players as they have a lot of time demands playing and training. Also the players at UCT are doing degrees that will stand them in good stead when they stop playing rugby. Not some course/qualification of convenience to accommodate rugby players.Youngsters and their parents need to give serious consideration when choosing an institution as of the hundreds that go the VC route only a handful end up with professional contracts and some of those only last a few years. The university rugby clubs have a massive responsibility to these kids and need to take it seriously.

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  18. @Smallies: to put it in better perspective; a BA student requires roughly 120 credits per year to pass all subjects. It goes up to 200 credits per year for medical (Tukkies as an example). So if the min credits per annum mentioned by @Riempies is used (60), then a varsity cup rugby player can fail more than half his subjects in any course. Seems like a fairly low hurdle, well dependent on who is looking at the hurdle.

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  19. @Kattes-Strofes: jy se almal baat by die reeling tussen varsities en unies? Ek dink net die geldwolwe baat. Baie, baie spelers word buite rekening gelaat omdat hulle nie formeel by unie betrokke is.

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  20. @Toffee: hmmmm, is that a reflection on the rugby players or the average student at UCT? Some faculties are brilliant, others are; hmmmm (same situation at most top varsities in RSA).

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  21. @BrotherBear: Middag julle, ons het met n skok agtergekom in die begin van die jaar dat jy n min van 60 krediete moet he.
    My seun is laasjaar deur die koshuisrugby liga raakgesien en soedoende hom n plek oopgespeel in die Tuks Young Guns oefengroep. Hy het sy kursus in die middel van die jaar gestaak en ingeskryf vir n ander 3 jaar kursus (Bcom Bemarking) wat ongelukkig vir hom eers nou begin. Die probleem wat nou ingekom het is dat hy nie genoeg krediete het om Varsity Cup/ Young Guns te speel nie omdat hy in die middel van die jaar opgehou het en nie sy kursus tot aan die einde van die jaar voltooi het nie. As hy sou dan was daar nie n probleem vandag nie.

    So ons hekkie was n lae ene waaroor hy gestruikel het.

    Ek dink ons moet ook net weet watd die criteria is om Varsity Cup te speel.
    Die student moet voltyds swot, hy moet ten minste n 3 jaar kursus volg en dan moet hy ten minste 60 krediete he

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  22. @RnR: Jammer man,wat n opp.Kon hulle nie vir jou vroegtydig gese het nie,kan jy nie jou saak gaan stel nie?Seker iemand Kan jou help?

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  23. @RnR: dis ‘n bummer. Sou se hulle moet voorsiening kan maak vir sulke gevalle. Srudente weet nie altyd of hulle met regte rigting begin. Ek gee myne maar jaar of 2 om gedagtes op te maak. Jou geval heel “legit”, in my boekie.

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  24. @RnR: Sterkte met daardie een. Hoop vir jou part julle raak lucky maar gaan jou amper wed dit gaan afgekeur word.

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  25. @BrotherBear: Dit raak meer kompleks as jy n jaar vak het. Krediete per vak verskil ook sover ek verstaan.
    Vra maar mederheid van manne wat daar is. Om 60 krediete te kry is moeilike as wat jy dink. Tensy jy nou soos jou kind met n genius sit.

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  26. Tukkies more in aksie teen Pukke in opwarming! Sien uit dat die seisoen begin :mrgreen:

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  27. @BrotherBear: Ek het eintlik bedoel, soos sake nou staan, dat die unies, die universiteite, en natuurlik ook die gekontrakteerde spelers wat studeer, hierby baat.

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  28. @Kattes-Strofes: Thanks for the info. I see that a few of the players that you mentioned are playing in a warm-up match for the Lions v the Bulls on Saturday.

    I think that Wits have quite a few players returning from last year. I’m not that familiar with the squad from last year, but I think about four starters from last year’s pack are playing this year (including the captain) and about four starters from last year’s backs (including the vice-captain) are returning. Obviously there are much more returning if you include the squad/bench from last year.

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  29. Wits are playing their final practice match tomorrow evening v the SupaBaabaas. The SupaBaabaas squad is as follows:

    Sheldon Williamson, Allistair Mumba, Reghardt Roux, Lux Ntsepe, Itu Mpete, Dean Gotdon, Ori Abutbul (captain of Israel’s national team), Stokkies Hanekom, Leroy Ndlovu, Hendrik Mulder, Jaywinn Juries, Dudlee White-Sharpley, Carling Forwood, Koning van Rensburg, Alex du Plooy, Wikus van der Berg, Mitch Fraser, Raymond Nel, Jojo Tshivase, Bees Roux, Nico van der Heever, Francois Jacobs, Dillon Bakos, Siya Nzuzo.

    Looks like a strong team, so Wits will have a tough assignment.

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  30. I see the Wits team was announced on social media. Some names that stand out are Kurt Webster at flyhalf with Christian Humphries at fullback. A young but talented pack with Cal Smid at 7 and young ex KES prop Keagan Glade starting. Captain same as last year Constant Beckerling. Certainly a team that will probably be top 4 this year.Last year Green was massive for Wits and if he is not available it will impact on them.

    The Ikeys are playing Maties at 7pm at UCT tonight in a (final) practice game and I am going to go watch. It should give an idea of how the Ikeys will do this year.

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  31. @RnR: My klong was in 2017 in presies dieselfde posisie. Het opgeskop middel van die jaar weens min klasse bywoon agv Jong Bokkies oefenkampe, en het ook toe van kurses verander die volgende jaar (toevallig ook BCOM Bemarking). Hulle het nie n saak gehad nie, en hy kan vanjaar eers weer jol !

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  32. @RnR: Kanse is nul.Was daar,reels is duidelik,student moet minimum van 60 krediete kry.AS jy uitsondering vir een maak,gaan daar baie soort gelyke gevalle wees. Die anderkant van die coin is, klomp ouens met geen intensie om deur te kom word n eerste keer ingeskryf en dan kan hulle speel, so die sisteem het maar baie flawes maar ek stem 100% saam dat bona fide studente wat bv Carlton beker gewen het by TUKS speelkans moet kry. Maar dit werk nie so nie,weet nie of dit steeds so is nie maar Tuks of BB o/21 hoe jy dit ook al wil noem het selfs op Loftus geoefen. Die Bulle bestuur Varsity Cup vir Tuks, miskien het dit verander maar dit is hoe dit is,miskien was maar ek twyfel

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  33. @Toffee: Yes, Green is a big loss…but otherwise, I think that the squad looks good.

    On what social media site did you see the squad?

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  34. @ Vleis. It was shared by a mate on facebook – the site is SupaRugby – I am sure a search on Facebook or Google should take you to the site.

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  35. @Toffee: Thanks. Yes, I’ve seen that site. I was just wondering if there are any other sites, as the Varsity Cup website is mediocre.

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  36. @knowthegame: dan kom dit dus daarop neer dat die koshuis rugby kompetiesie einlik die ware varsity cup kompetiesie is… Geen kontrakte net studente wat jol vir die eer van hulle koshuis

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  37. @Smallies: Beste rugby van my lewe gewees. Weet nie of koshuis rugby nog so is maar die gees langs daai velde by Coetzenburg was ongelooflik. 2 posisies wat jy nie wil speel is haker en vleuel.

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  38. @Oakdale supporter: met die koshuis games het die plaas manne allerhande geheimenisse onder hulle jasse weggesteek. Meestal net so ‘n soet dingetjie om die ergste koue weg te dryf. Niks so lekker as om een van die plaas spelers tussen hulle ondersteuners in te duik. Mens het net altyd seker gemaak jy kom dubbel so vinnig WEER op die veld. Oorlog op die veld, maar lekker kuier na die tyd.

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  39. Vermoed julle manne was paar jaar voor my daar. Ons het nie meer plaas toe gegaan vir games. Medies was enigste keer wat ons bus gery het. Toeskouers was maar min gewees langs die veld daar.

    @BrotherBear: n Two arms by medies net voor eerste span se game het ons manne diep in moeilikheid gekry.

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  40. @Riempies: Jong, as ouens varsity toe gaan on primer rugby te speel is daar vier primere uitkomste:
    1. Hulle doen goed in akademie en rugby. Almal wen
    2. Hulle doen sleg in rugby en akademie. Niemand wen. Mors van tyd en belasting geld.
    3. Akademie goed en rugby sleg. Student wen en stel homself op vir langer termyn (die lewe)
    4. Rugby goed en akademie sleg. Wat soek die “student” dan op varsity? Mors van belasting geld (wat ons almal betaal).
    Varsity verg fokus en werk, fn…l te doen met “genius”.

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  41. @CharlesZA: dink nie ons was so ver uit mekaar – laat 80’s, vroee 90’s. Koshuis games meestal agter ingenieurs en oop velde by Coetzenburg.

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  42. @Riempies: weet nie hoekom jy so “harp” op die “genius”.
    Persoonlike mening is dat akademiese presteerders met sport talent in sport voordeel geggee moet word. Die sport fasiliteite bestaan a.g.v. die akademiese installing. Om 《50% die maatstaaf te maak is eintlik lagwekkend. Selfde argument as matriek slaagsyfer.

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  43. @BrotherBear: Al wat ek vir jou probeer se is dat dit nie so maklik is as wat jy wil voorgee nie.
    Moeiliker om albei te balanseer. Verwagtinge hoog.
    My oogpunt was baie dieselfde as joune voor ek die anderkant gesien het. Bevind jouself eers in die skoene dan kan jy n educated opinie lig. Ek was baie naief twee jaar terug.

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  44. @BrotherBear: Ek so 10 jaar na jou. Net eerste jaars toernooi was agter ingeneurs gebou gespeel. Par groot name daar sien speel vir hulle koshuis se eerste jaar spanne. Jean de Villiers vir Simonsberg, Schalk Burger vir Eendrag en Schalk Brits vir Wilgenhof. Die Boishaai manne sal ook onthou dat hulle in 2000 2 SA skole stutte gehad het. JD Moller en Neil Fullard. Enigste keer wat ek n span se toeskouers sien cheers het as hulle eie span bal aanslaan. Daai 2 manne het gemors met die arme ander voorrye.

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  45. @Riempies: the unions claim “body soul and spirit”. Many times the young players are mere “canon fodder”. Balance is near impossible if your first priority is rugby.
    Scholars be warned!!! If the sharks don’t get you, the wolves or lions or “bears” will.

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  46. @BrotherBear: Ons ondersteuners moes in “full kit” wedstryde bywoon. Dit sluit die jas, gumboots en ‘n hoed in. Daar was plek vir baie voorraad onder daai jasse. By die 3des en 4des het die spelers selfs somtyds n draai langs die veld gemaak vir versterkings.
    Elsenburg het in my eerste jaar die Sauer Beker gewen. Die manne wat opgetrek is klub toe was gewoonlik briesend want hulle wil eerder vir Elsenburg speel.

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  47. @RnR: How did it go with your son?

    My son was only told today that he can no longer play in the Varsity Cup. He’s completely devastated. He went to Stellies to do a BAcc in 2017, but left in June to go overseas until June 2018. Now, two years later, he is kicked out of the VC due to the 60 credits rule despite the fact that he did not play a single game of rugby at Stellies, or even register with the rugby club.

    I appreciate that they have rules in place to catch the ‘professional’ rugby players abusing the VC system, but I believe that they should at least provide some leeway to cases that are obviously not abusing the system. There goes five months preparation, sacrifices, holidays missed….all down the drain. :cry: :cry: :(

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  48. @Vleis: I received this email from the Operational & Sponsorship Executive of the Varsity Cup yesterday.

    “Thank you for your email.

    I am really disappointed for your son and deal with these situations quite often and it is never easy.
    Unfortunately, your son cannot take part in Varsity Cup because he did not get 60 credits. The rule is firm and we apply it to all players.

    We have even denied international athletes that missed 60 credits because they were taking part in World Games. It is a tough rule and we apply it strictly.

    I am sorry but your son will have to achieve 60 credits in 2019 in order to be eligible to play in 2020. All the best with his studies and rugby in 2019.

    Kind Regards”

    My son and myself are also very disappointed in this rule.
    Good luck

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  49. @Vleis: @RnR: Tough one.Best of luck next season.The good news out of this is,looks like there’s no grey area and is applicable to everyone, irrespective of names and reputation ext.

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  50. @RnR AND Vleis.
    Sorry about the disappointment….life is tough!
    I can imagine that they will be strict. They do not want to get to the business end and will be penalised over a technical issue.
    A couple of years ago NWU were almost stripped from the cup due to a technical issue, so I can think that the institutions will make sure all is legit.
    To the players – keep on working hard, you can not keep a good man down!!

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  51. @Riempies: Thanks and same to your son.

    @RnR: Thanks RnR. Do you know if the requirement is 60 credits from one year, or a cumulative 60 credits over the prior years?

    @Grizzly: @Hanswors: Thanks.

    I still feel sick to the bottom of my stomach…and it looks like Wits have a really good team this year with comfortable preseason wins over UJ and a powerful SupaBaabaas team.

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  52. @Vleis: @RnR: Yip! 60 cedits in one year. Just heard that some of the UJ stalwards of last year, also cannot play due to this rule! I feel for the young men!!
    All the best for your youngsters!

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  53. @Riempies: Agree it seems tougher for a rugby player to reach the 60 credits level than meets the eye. The reality is that contracted players simply have a full-time job to contend with. If academic requirements are not met the rugby players who study then suffer the consequences in terms of both academics as well as participation in the VC. But then that’s probably the argument; is the player a student or is the student a player? Life is a series of decisions but I still feel sorry for the guys that do not qualify. Some of the rules are harsh and once the dice has been cast the result may be devastating. It would be interesting to see what the powers that be decide for the future with the current and planned future changes in terms of provincial competitions and its effect on university competitions.

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  54. @Quagga: I am a firm believer of having a balance in life.
    I refused that my child only play rugby even though he is contracted. What happen if he get a rugby ending injury? But then my advice was also not to just study a Mickey Mouse diploma so you can play VC.
    It is a tough life trying to do both. :idea:

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  55. @Riempies: hence the the players programs with the varsities giving not only study oppertunities but a alternative should things not go according plan.

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  56. @Riempies: Totally agree with you.However! As you mentioned, it is no joke to marry the two. I know that at UJ, some of the lecturers have no sympathy for the rugby guys, and do not excuse them from, sometimes not attenting classes, due to pratices. It also requires a huge amount of self diccipline, and a social life is almost non existent. But I am sure that those who persevere, will one day reap the rewards !!

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  57. @Kattes-Strofes: Hi Kattes, I take my hat (cap) off to them, one of my kids recently finished varsity and it was sufficiently demanding and stressful, without a semi professional sports program (although I think there was a strong beer regime).

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  58. Ikeys have named their team for the game against UWC and the forwards pack is much the same as last year, no debutants.Two new faces in the backs and on the bench. Experienced squad and captained by Nama Xaba.The experience and continuity over the past three years should bode well for this team. I expect them to make a semi-final. Excited to see the announcement of the Young Gun’s side.

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  59. @Smallies: Jy is seker in n mate reg. Maar mens moet darem ook simpatie hê met die manne, wat onder baie moeilike omstandighede, probeer om hulself beter te bekwaam vir hul toekoms, na rugby. Moet byvoeg dat WITS kom die rugby manne baie tegemoed, en bied vir hulle klasse in die aande aan, na oefeninge.

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  60. I forgot to add! WP, the Lions and the Bulls are all linked to their local Varsities, and also use this as a marketing tool ,with their recruitment efforts.However! The bursaries that are offered, comes from the Varsities, and not the union. The latter then also want their slice of the pie, and the players that received bursaries, must be available for Varsity Cup. As I understand it ! Unless injured, if you do not play for the Varsity, you lose your bursary.

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  61. @Grizzly: dis maar kanse keuses en nagevolge.
    Die skuif en oorswaai van studie rigtings word daar selde aan die nagevolge gedink, en dit was wel is waar bekend aan almal, die reëls is reëls.

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  62. @Kattes-Strofes: ja nee ek verstaan hulle probleem maar ek dink dat as hulle matriek met vrystelling kon slaag terwyl die meeste van hulle vir n top skool se eerstespan gejol het hulle die swot en rugby besigheid ook onder die knie kan kry…

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  63. @Smallies: Verskil totaal van jou. Op skool loop jy klas van oggend tot middag. Daarna rugby oefening. Varsity bied hulle klas aan in selfde tyd as rugby oefening. As jy verstaan vak loop soos Wiskunde of Rek of of raak jy agter. Dan onthou die pas op varsity klas is 4 maal die van skool. Niemand lek jou gat of help jou afsonderlik nie.
    Nee wat moerse verskil. Selfs vir manne wat 4 plus onderskeiding in Matriek gehad het.

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  64. @Riempies: ek se glad nie dat dit die selfde is nie, ek se dat as die laaities die druk op skool kon verwerk en suksesvol was hulle dut op varsity ook sal kan doen

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  65. @Riempies:dis ook hoekom ek se dat die afrigters maar noodgedwonge moet besef dat akademie die kitaar slaan op varsity, enige afrigter wat enigsins mens gerig is sal dit kan insien… Indien nie hoort hy nie by studente rugby nie

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  66. @Smallies: Dink ons praat bietjie by mekaar verby.
    Daar is maar min manne wat swot wat by unies gekontrakteer is. Minders as meeste mense dink. So die afrigter se fokus is op rugby nie studies nie. Hy word nie geavulueer op hoeveel grade kry nie maar eerder of hulle bekers wen.
    In begin verskion hulle graag spelers wat swot maar sodra Currie Cup of wat ook al begin kom rugby eerste. Dit dan wanneer manne wat altwee doen agter begin raak met klasse.

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  67. @Riempies: juis my punt, varsity cup moet slegs vir studente sonder enige verbintenis met die unies wees, dis hoekom dit die varsity cup is en nie die vodacom cup of die supersport reeks is nie, dit moet vir studente uitsluitlik wees, sonder kontrakte

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  68. @Smallies: I respectfully must disagree with you ! Why should a pro rugby player, who wishes to further his education, not be able to qualify to play Varsity Cup. Most of them are still juniors and once they hit the seniors, the mountain to climb becomes even greater. It already takes a huge effort to marry the two, so why still penalise them? There are numerous students that are also employed elsewhere. Will they also be barred from playing?

    If any rugby player obtains the neccesary credits in his exams, irrespective of his other commitments, I do feel he should qualify.

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  69. @Kattes-Strofes:as hy kwalifiseer is dit fine…. Maar nie ten koste van n voltydse student sonder n kontrak nie, ek voel net dat die varsity cup nie vir pro spelers moet wees nie… Dit is n studente kompetiesie

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  70. @Kattes-Strofes: there was a time when I also wanted the VC reserved for students who play rugby and not rugby players who study.

    Due to the wrong direction SA junior rugby is moving in, I think it merits a change of opinion.

    We need to be grateful for the opportunities and contribution varsities are able to offer rugby players with the potential to make it as full time pros in the sport one day.

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  71. I agree with you! One should also take into consideration that a career in rugby is probably one of the the highest risk trades, and it should therefore be commended that those who also study, are planning for their future after rugby.

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  72. @Kattes-Strofes: @beet; I agree that contracted players should not be eligible for young guns or varsity cup. Nothing prevents them from studying, whether full time or part time. Cudos to them if they can be successful in both. My argument leans towards the many talented players that did not sell their souls to a union, but are now pushed out of an opportunity to show their mettle in a bigger arena. Can we say that the contracted players are “stealing” their positions aand have their bread buttered both sides? Surely the contracted players have more than enough opportunities? Except of course if you are part of a group of say 50 contracted players ;-) and feel the brunt of favouratism. Mamon is smiling wide and smacking his grease smeared lips in glee.

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  73. Stopping the play between Pukke (NWU) and UJ due to lightning may be good risk management, but the organisers are absolute idiots. Lots of spectators milling around in the open and players took quite a while to get away from the open. Surely everybody is at risk and more so people in a bunch????

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  74. I thought Ettiene Reyneke was the worst commentator I have ever heard but this punk that did the UJ game tonight is the new King of Irritation

    I think the Sharks are going to regret losing Geronimo
    Holy shit
    What a player

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  75. @Beet: Edward first game as captain and I believe did well. We will watch how he and the team progress. The no 1 Donald from Affies had an awesome game! Lineouts were Edwards like in the old days! Under the radar! looking good! :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: 8-O :mrgreen:

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  76. Must say the commentators in Maties vs Wits game are totally clueless, saying Wits dominating the acrum. Absolute illegal scummaging by Wits. Luckily ref now also saw the light. Arn’t you supposed to pass some test to be on national TV?

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  77. I do not want to sound anti-establishment, but holy mackerel these wordsmith are supposed to perform to some standards, or what?

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  78. @Greenman: your commentary and motive a bit unclear. Mine is quite to the point. Don’t worry, will not question your associations and motive ;-) Enjoy while you can – great sprit what, what.

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  79. Thought Cal Smid performed very well for Wits. Saw good leadership and intelligent play. Maties just too strong with lots of experience. Wits forwards tried hard, but backline a bit haphazard although there is some bite. Keagan Glade looking very lean and fit at no 3. Played a solid game.

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  80. @Greenman: Don’t you think that giving the “miss” to the Guptas for so long has cost the country a wee bit? Just for interest sake; are the people I commented on supposed professionals or not? Who holds them accountable if we don’t? You live by your standards, I will live by mine.

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  81. Tonight I’ve witnessed the most horrendous skew scrum feeding during the NWU/UJ game. Every single scrum. I don’t see the point in having laws when they’re not enforced, or selectively enforced.

    No wonder the weather gods became upset!

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  82. @tzavosky: I totally agree with you ! I cannot, for the life of me, understand the reasons why refs are so strict on lineout throws, yet totally ignore blatant skew put-ins at scrum time. Both of these are very important set pieces of the game, and therefore needs , and deserves proper management, and fair application of the laws, to ensure a fair contest.

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  83. Goeie moer! Jammer Brother bear! Bietjie tongue and cheek. Dit klink baie ernstig en so die ouens na jou wat gecomment het. Gee hulle gas!

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  84. I made a first attempt at adding a table of the teams with schools attended in the post above

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  85. @BrotherBear: Sorry late reply. I think the contracted players had a nice mainstream path laid out for them a few years ago, so there was good reason to leave the VC to studies first rugby second students. It was sort of a 40-20-10 set up in junior rugby under the watchful eye of the RU’s. 40 players got a chance in u19 CC. Of those 20 progressed to u21 CC over 2 years and then if all went well 10 make it to playing senior provincial rugby within a couple of years out of u21. Things have changed though. There is a lot of uncertainty and it stems from rugby unions having financial constraints. Seems like they can just-just support u21 rugby for now but they still need the young players to come through. The VC is something that could fill that gap if/when the junior structures are no longer sustainable. It gives the players who want to become pros a chance to develop in a good environment and their presence would certainly enhance the compo.

    Let it become like College Football in the States. The players have to achieve the grades but no one is under any illusions about why they are at their respective Colleges.

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  86. @beet: Some more names/schools from the Wits team:
    CJ Conradie – Monnas
    C Brockschmidt – KES
    Krappies – Linden
    S Champion – KES
    S Siboza – Pieties
    J Fuller – Trinity

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  87. @beet: Maties No23, Thoko Seerane is from Ben Vorster, but it is slightly more complicated than that.

    He used to be known as Adrian Maebane, but everyone called him Thoko. At some point he changed his surname to Seerane, which I think is his mother’s surname. If you look at the team representatives on the Varsity Cup website, he is listed as Adrian Seerane with TUKS (which says something about updating that site).

    So, Adrian Maebane = Adrian Seerane = Thoko Seerane, from Ben Vorster. And may I add, a thoroughly decent and likeable guy, who captained BV, Limpopo CW side and Tuks Young Guns.

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  88. Kwailiteit van die rugby het nie veel na wense oorgelaat nie.
    Ek kan nie wag vir die skolerugby om te begin nie.
    Transformasie slag ons rugby.

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  89. @Kattes-Strofes: Because most refs do not have the slightest clue what happens in a scrum. I think that they just thank their lucky stars every time the front rows do not collapse or pop or the scrum wheels through 90 degrees.

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  90. @Rainier: Hulle dink ook hulle is die slimste en almal moet vir hulle luister. Hulle maak so baie foute, dit is nie eers meer snaaks nie. By elke afskop is daar spelers van die aanvallende span wat oor die middellyn gehardloop het.

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  91. Judging by the standard of the Maties/Wits game, we can safely assume that these are bona fide students that play a bit of rugby.

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  92. Ek stem saam met julle manne.
    Nou is die Varsitybeker op die regte pad.
    Identifiseer nuwe talent wat deur die gate geglip het.

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  93. @Greenman: Happy for you but don’t read much into it’s like Vrede play Grey college. Basically only Maties who will put up some decent resistance

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  94. like most of us i did look fore ward to watch VC last night. It look like Puk can put in a challenge. Maties i believe will not have it their own way like last year. Its early days but pack is suspect. Wits made way too many errors.I believe they have it completely wrong to play last year 10 at 15. Wits will be tough to play at home.Biggest challenger i believe will be Tuks. Nolis M good at this level.Agree with comment that Puk 15 is a good player. Ex helpie who was at the sharks. Anycase my 20 Zim dollars worth

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  95. @Smallies: Ek glo nie – hy het ‘n kontrak by die Bulle gehad, so hy moes vir sy eie studies betaal, en hy het verlede jaar graad gevang – Sportwetenskap.

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  96. @Speartackle:Jammer, ek nie regtig betrokke by rugby nie, en probeer ook maar net my mening lig. Ek is nie n statikus nie en dankie dat u my reghelp. Hoop nie , ek te veel Vrede lesers ontstel nie

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  97. @Greenman: miskien meer passievol as ernstig oor die dinge. Verstaan ook tog waar jy vandaan kom; Mens wil tog nie jou eie genot van ‘n skouspel versuur met negatiewe gedagtes nie. Ek lewer maar net kommentaar nademaal en probeer die mooi spel gedurende die game geniet.

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  98. @beet: yes, the present rugby structures are under pressure and the VC does relieve this. My gripe is that quite a lot of players are not part the formal system (largely due to politicized school provincial system – boardroom and AA) but still very good talent. Fixing one problem then kind of steals opportunities from others. But then again, if they really have a love for the game then keep on playing club or koshuise. Very difficult to progress from there though.

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  99. Ikeys Young Guns won by 40+ points against UWC but it was a lot harder than the score indicated. UWC pack was bigger but the Ikeys loosies were fantastic. Ikeys backs were able to break the UWC backline regularly.

    The main game was tight and Ikeys perhaps a little fortunate to win – scoring two seven point tries took pressure of the home team. There was a lot of hype in the UWC community and it fed through to their players who played like men possessed. A lot of them were cramping and limping towards the end. They will not be able to put their bodies on the line like that every game. It was a scrappy game in windy conditions which suited UWC. Experience(this is an experienced Ikey team) and patience on attack was the difference in the end i.m.h.o. UWC brought a massive crowd with them and at least 70% of the crowd were UWC supporters and they were well behaved and fun to talk to.I thought the Ikey centre combination of Robbie Ball and James Tedder looks very promising and they could develop into something special.

    I think the quality of VC this year will be as good as previous years. What I have noticed is that most teams are adopting rush defense tactics which really closes down space and attack options. Attack coaches need to adapt to this.

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  100. Does anyone know where to find info on the Young Guns? I don’t even know who the Wits YG players are. There were a few u19/20 players who were part of the greater Wits VC squad, but were not selected for the VC match day 23 yesterday…so I presume that they played for the YG team. However, I don’t know where to find the info.

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  101. @Toffee: My daughter was at the UCT game, but had to leave about 5 or 10 minutes before the end. She said that UCT were down by 8 (I think) at that stage…so UCT must have scored a lot of points in the last few minutes?

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  102. @guts-and-glory: They make this big fuss on tv,facebook and twitter about VC but on their official website the VC players is not even updated.

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  103. @Riempies: Vandat Steinhoff “onttrek” het as hoofborg het hulle seker nie meer geld om ‘n webmeester te betaal nie…

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  104. @tzavosky: Nee wat Dok hulle het mos baie studente wat dit verniet kan doen. Maak dit deel van n projek. Dit is mos nou vir studente.
    Dan op twitter en facebook is daar amper elke 2 ure n update van een of ander aard

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  105. @beet: Beet ! Quinton Vorster, the reserve prop of CUT, was in Boishaai, and not Glenwood.

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  106. @Riempies: Jy weet jou kanse is groter om ‘n rekenaarvirus van ‘n kerkblad te kry as vanaf ‘n pornsite? Die een gebruik amateurs en die ander een pro’s. Ek sal verkies dat VC s’n deur pro’s bedryf word.

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  107. @beet: Evardi Boshoff – pukke nr 13 is van Hoerskool Lichtenburg en Rayno Nel – CUT nr 8 is van Hoerskool Duineveld in Upington.

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  108. @ Beet
    Maties
    Wayrin Losper – HTS Bellville

    Ikeys
    Simon Raw – SACS
    Nyasha Tarusenga – St Benedicts College
    Darian Hock – Paarl Boys High School
    Duncan Saffy – Hilton College (played seconds at school)
    Kyle Bowman – Maritzburg College

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  109. @Vleis: Treurig inderdaad!Maar vir Beet gevra om die VC YG in gedagte te hou as hy dalk connections het :cry:

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  110. @Greenman: I don’t have any VC connections other than Riempies who is Global President of VC Communications for the Blog. Being a Sharks supporter I can’t say I’ve cared much to see the VC succeed in the past. After what happened to UKZN Impis in their quest to be promoted a few years back, I was gatvol but its interesting to see how the VC’s popularity picking up all the time and I cannot help but sense that SA rugby unions are set to because more reliant on Varsity funding / structures / partnerships to help develop junior players going forward, which does now make it an initiative to try and support.

    The YG comp has always been very low key. I think this year is the best one yet because the teams play all opponents, so there’s a lot more rugby and hopefully better things come of it.

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  111. @beet: What happened to the Impis – I see that they were deducted points, but I’m not sure why?

    Another reason why the YG might be bigger this year is due to the cancellation of the u19 CC.

    It’s amazing that a tournament that gets so much right is so hopeless in some areas – printing out the names of all the VC an YG players and providing some background (e.g. position, height, weight, schools, etc) would cost almost nothing.

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  112. @beet: Double standards and rugby-exclusivity seems as prevalent in the VC (as the author illustrates) as it sometimes seems to be in schoolboy rugby. An unfortunate turn of events indeed.
    My perception (based on discussions with youngsters) is that the competition rules are supposedly cast in stone when it comes to who is eligible to play. I know that one of the teams had to give a bunch of players the bad news no more than 5 days before the competition started why they could not participate (for different reasons) and imagine that is not unique to one team only. The system is supposedly geared at keeping things fair for all teams, with the key word being supposedly.

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  113. Thanks everyone who helped link a few more of the players to the schools they attended.

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  114. As I mentioned earlier, UJ are playing without a number of key players, who unfortunately did not achieve the required credits. Others have not been released by the Lions, while there are also some players missing due to long term injury. This is obviously a huge blow to the team, and of cource to the players involved. I suspect that UJ will be one of the teams that are going to struggle, to avoid relegation.

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  115. @beet: Wow! Based on the article, it appears that UKZN was very hard done by and that double standards were applied. Did UKZN sue KPMG – an audit firm who’s future in SA is under threat due to the many poor decisions made in the recent past?

    @Quagga: Perhaps the VC committee should allow some exceptions to display a humane side?

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  116. @Kattes-Strofes: What has happened to UJ’s junior teams? The UJ YG team was heavily beaten by Pukke YG on Monday and I seem to remember that last year’s UJ u20 club team also received some huge hidings? I think that they even pulled out of the u20 club semi-finals, but I stand to be corrected.

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  117. @Vleis: Probably a case of teams bucking the system in the past so in stead of the organisers having to police every player in every game they just nail the team where it hurts most. I think teams watch one another like hawks because of this, and the whistle on the field is not the only whistle that is blown every week….I noticed an article on another website that claimed the one TUKS YG player was listed as a POC but he is quite well known up north and not a POC and it was changed later when reported. Apparently there were nine ‘errors’ on that team sheet and even after it was corrected there were still errors. So ‘mistakes’ do happen.

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  118. @Smallies: Was hy die ref of Helgard Muller se vriendin se broer

    het hulle almal goue rolexe gekry of by julle seker n lekker vet tollie?/3 maande se paaiemente op n Fortuner? 8-O 8-O 8-O 8-O 8-O

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  119. @Vleis: I do not have much details on UJ,s YG team. However! I may be wrong, but it does seem that there is a shift in the UJ rugby set-up. It seems that they no longer consider it a priority to perform at a high level.

    Hopefully I am wrong, but this is my oppinion, having spoken to quite a few players, past and present.

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  120. @Kattes-Strofes: are you saying UJ not spending money on new intakes?@Kattes-Strofes: or does rugby playing students rather prefer other varsities?
    Seems things are going downhill I.t.o. general standards for some?

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  121. @Kattes-Strofes: if one considers the dancing hordes at the 2 Joburg varsity Gates, it is not difficult to imagine that varsity administrators have unique challenges

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  122. @boerboel: uhhhhhhhhhm ja twee jaar terug wat die game in stellenbosch gewees en Pienaar Van Niekerk het die wendrie gerduk….. Rerig my ou lees tog net bietjie met begrip voor jy skryf…

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  123. The Ikeys were put to the sword last night. They were smothered by the maroon wall and cut to shreds out wide. I just cannot understand how they were unable to make better use of the wind in the first half. The captain put in a typical pitbull performance :wink: but it was not nearly enough to stem the tide.

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  124. @star: Ikeys just not good enough@the moment.Some of those players, in fact quite a lot completely out of their depth. VC sides need union support to be competitive, if we like it or not. Cant see them winning many games. I believe the only semi pro sides like Tuks, Maties, Pukke and to some extend Wits the other sides need a lot of catch up. That’s my four for the semi’s,with Tuks and Maties in final. Kovsies played some very good ball in hand stuff and both their no 9’s doing basics very well. But to think that Ikeys beat UWC is what making formline, for me very suspect

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  125. @star: The Maties no.8 made a memorable break and long run in for his try during the match. It reminded me of a time a few years back when the UCT captain would produce similar X-factor moments just about every time he touched the ball. But I guess there are always going to be those matches where the shoulders have to do just about all the hard work for 80 minutes and there’s no chance to produce any of the glamorous stuff with ball in hand.

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  126. @star: to utilise the wind, you need ball in hand. Last night size did matter in front. But it was backed up with all over skill and lots of speed at the back. Tukkies has same potential – let’s see if thay can unlock.

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  127. Shimlas vs UWC was a bland affair, but that UWC flyhalf may have some promise. Solid game for old-Helpie (Kwagga) – Shimla no 10.

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  128. It is still early days, However ! Going on the few matches that I have watched so far, the Maties will certainly be the big favourate to retain their cup. Also think that Tukkies, Wits and Shimlas could be the other semi-finalists.

    Fortunately for UWC, UJ, CUT and even UCT, there will be no relegation this year. The latter boosts some experienced players, with provincial honours. However! They were completely blown off the park last night by the Maties, who strengened their pack. I expect those four to fight it out for the wooden spoon.

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  129. Great game Maties vs Tuks!
    I do think Tuks 10 out of his depth though, and what might have costed them at the en was lack of commitment from forwards to the ruck.
    Some great charges at pace coming from both teams.
    I found this match to be in a class of its own compared to the earlier match with UJ getting surprised by CUT.
    Perhaps the scoreline that put UJ in a better light, however they should have lost much further.

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  130. @beet: I thought Tuks were tactically naive in this game – both Maties’ yellow cards were issued on their goal line, the Tuks scrum was already dominant and they were behind on the scoreboard. On both occasions they went for a penalty goal (which they missed, twice), where the situation called for scrumming down and exploiting their dominance. Not intelligent decision making in my view.

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  131. UJ vs UCT scrappy game followed by bad officiating!
    Amount forward passes, players straight off their feet, and how does #9UJ tap ball back in ruck?, its like kicking ball into your own player!

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  132. And in other news Wits Young Guns beat UJ Young Guns by 30-12 in a bottom of the barrel clash in Jo’burg. Match just finished. Halftime score was 22-12 according to a source at the game.

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  133. Now getting conflicting info. Latest is Wits scored after the hooter winning by 37-13. I asked if the 1 point UJ seemed to have earned since half time was for participation (no answer – think I ruined the friendship :roll: )

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  134. @Smallies: ‘n Moet wen vir Shimlas vanaand. As hulle die een verloor gaan die pad semmies toe baie moeilik word.

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  135. UJ really playing well and with a lot of heart. No 11 and 15 both small but getting go forward every time they touch the ball and don’t lose the ball. Can see they have heart. Big guys (and names) like Yanga Hlalu (Wits) has lost the ball a few times and looks a bit scared.

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  136. Jack Hart getting deserved exposure and recognition. Well done. He is welcome in my team any day.

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  137. How is Edwill (maties no 11) not playing provincial rugby? Speed, workrate, tenacity, finisher. Whole Maties team performing brilliantly. They would give some Rsa provincial teams a beating.

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  138. @BrotherBear: i particularly like the Maties 13, and would agree Maties 11 great finisher. Maties hooker is strong as an ox, taking candy from kid, the Pukke side no answer for Maties physicality.

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  139. @Skopgraaf243: the Pukke close-quarter tackling was also very good. Maties loosies the real deal. Would like to see no 8 put in space more.

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  140. @Riempies: Howzit Rieme,Ek sien op News24 die Bulle gaan 100 Jnr kontrakte cut 8-O Het meer as 240 gekontrakteerde spelers op hulle boeke 8-O 8-O Hoes dit moontlik??Dan wonder hulle hoekom hulle Nie n wins wys Nie🤬Waar en hoe gaan hulle die spelers in deel in die nuwe /20 Liga..Kan jy Kies wat se klub of deel die unie jou in omdat jy onder kontrak is?SARU se gemors laat die unies in tamatie STR…

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  141. @Grizzly: en 28 van hulle is deur Tukkies gekontrakteur…. Soo Tukkies speel met professionele spelers in die varsity cup, heeltemal teen dit vaarwoor die varsity cup staan

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  142. @Smallies: Hoe word mense wat sulke besluite neem in hul poste geregverdig…o Ja,sien Bulle is besig om huis skoon te maak,Paar mense het aan beweeg. Hoeveel kontrakspelers op Vrystaat se boeke?

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  143. @Grizzly: Dit gaan Spiekeries hierdie kant dankie. Jy vrae n hoop vrae! Dink die meeste van hulle darem al op media geantwoord. Dit is n reuse gatslag MAAR hoe dit tans is is nie volhoubaar nie. Sover ek verstaan kan die 0/20 manne self besluit by watter klubs hulle in die Volcano Cup wil join. So hulle sal dan daar klub rugby speel. Sommiges sal seker ook opgetrek word om deel van die 0/21 groep te vorm wat nog aan CC gaan deelneem.
    Dan het ek gister n berig deur Alan Zondagh gelees waar hy se dat hulle(die Bulle) spelers wie se kontrakte gaan eindig sal help om miskien by kleiner Unies te gaan speel. Dink Ruggas het n goeie berig geplaas.
    Dink SARU is oor hul sell by date! Tyd vir een van die Unies om hulle te fire maar dit gaan seker nooit gebeur nie.
    So ja daar is nou baie druk om te perform by die Bulle.
    PS: Go Noorde!!! :idea:

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  144. @Riempies: Ja sorry oor die baie vrae,mens sal sweet eks n prokureur. 8-O Die Bulle lyk my probeer die hele ding soos volwassenes hanteer,in die beste belang van die spelers.Hoop die compo en plasing werk uit vir julle,baie sterkte.

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  145. @Grizzly: Ek het by n betroubare bron gehoor dat die 4 Super Rugby unies n maksimum van 10 skoliere elk gaan teken. Dit beteken maksimum van 40 spelers landwyd. Volgens die berig oor die Bulle, gaan dit nog veel minder wees. Ek weet laasgenoemde het nou n behoorlike o/20 liga gestig, maar wat van die ander unies. Hulle praat almal van spelers dop hou, en later intrek vanaf Varsity Cup vir hul o/21 span. Die Sharks het nie eers n span in die Varsity Cup nie. Wat word dan ook van die talentvole jong manne wat nie kan verder studeer nie?

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  146. @Kattes-Strofes: Eerlikwaar ek weet nie,Salomo se wysheid nodig hier.Ek dink vir starters lek Europa hulle Lippe af vir ons jnrs.Die ander unies sal bitter vinnig iets soort gelyk soos die Bulle moet implimenteer.

    Na n Jaar of 2 as die Klub liga landwyd gestig is kan die verskillinde unie wenners op n Nasionale grondslag teen mekaar meeding vir Nasionale wenner.

    Hopenlik sal borge,mediadekking ens toe neem as dit suksesvol is.Om te wag vir SARU om iets te doen gaan nutteloos wees,die Unies sal self moet inoverend dink.

    Ek kan egter nie sien hoe n klub stelsel/toernooi ons basse gaan red nie…Dis soos om karre te bou vandag sonder ps/abs/aircon ens..daai skip het klaar gedock,gesail en gesink….

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  147. Long time since I have seen such a spectacular “cape mullet”, as sported by the UCT fullback. He must have spent 2 hours at the hairdresser.

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  148. Good for you, on the Wits team. Emotional post match reflection on; “what the game really means for them”. Love for the game, the team and each other.

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  149. @BrotherBear: Yep, it’s a great pity that my son did not get to play VC with him this year due to a technicality, as I believe that he won’t be back next year.

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  150. @Vleis: Constant is final year Chemical engineering, don’t know his postgrad plans.
    Will your son be playing next year?

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  151. @Vleis: nope, not Wits, although quite a few of his friends are there. He is part of the mix elsewhere, balancing academics and sport. His recent comment was that; “for the first time in a long while there is no pressure associated with political interference and boetie boetie activities”. He enjoys his rugby tremendously.

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  152. Young guns does not feature in varsity cup. Ikeys_tukkies young guns game shortened by 6 min while “main” game allowed full 80 min. Bullsh&$t! Why bother!

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  153. @ Toffee , brilliant win by Ikeys young guns against Tuks last night ! 4 th week in a row on the road . Seems
    there are some sore losers out there . Win at home against CUT will finish above Tuks !

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  154. @Greenman: Yes then you stop the game as Tukkies is 10m from the try line and on attack. Very strange decision.
    But as you say no future in Varsity Cup. Do not even know why they have it.

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  155. Off for lightning and main game televised on Supersport . Lets give credit where it is due .

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  156. @baileys: Ok they played as good as what Tuks played bad.
    But lets also be honest. That 5 min could have made a difference, maybe both ways!

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  157. Yes McCulleys. 3 House boys playing in the Ikeys young guns team . Fleischer ( capt ) , Price and Calvert Evers.
    Sutherland , Kearsney .

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  158. @ baileys: The Ikey Young Guns are great on attack and play some old traditional Ikeys rugby. The Defense was not great in the first two games I watched but has steadily improved. I will watch the CUT game. Last year I worked on a breakdown of players/schools who had played VC for Ikeys since inception and after the Southern Suburbs of Cape Town, KZN provides the most Ikey VC players. There have been 9 from Michaelhouse and 8 from Kearsney alone. Current Captain and the stand in Captain are both from KZN.

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  159. Hier is my “dreamteam” na afloop van die Varsity Cup.

    15) Tristan Leyds
    14) Andre Manuel
    13) Lourens Pretorius
    12) Chris Smit
    11) Edwill v/d Merwe
    10) Jordan Chait
    9) Chriswill September
    8) Nyasha Tarusenga
    7) Wian Conradie
    6) Johann v Niekerk
    5) Gary Porter
    4) Ernst v Rhyn (c)
    3) Ruan Kramer
    2) Johan Grobbelaar
    1) Botter Moloto

    16) Louis v/d Westhuizen
    17) Cabous Eloff
    18) Piet-Louw Strauss
    19) Johan Retief
    20) Gideon v/d Merwe
    21) Zak Burger
    22) Lubabalo Dobela
    23) Munier Hartzenberg

    Geniet die Paasnaweek se skolerugby

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  160. @Smallies: mort cpmment. Geen span moet enige
    iets in die Kaap speel nie. Die AA refs in die Kaap mis net die W trui. Spring hoer as die spelers met n local wen. Maties ennou wag die skolegames

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  161. Eish. Kom ek traai weer. Masr korter. Die refs in die Kaap is moertoe. Kort net n trui. Word seker aangerand as die locals verloor. “Leave it” is n verskoning vir omkant! Sorry maar “animal farm” nou in die kaap. Geen ander span sal daar wen die jaar!

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  162. @Smallies: I give it to Maties but playing any team down in the WP with your local talent as refs is going to be challenging. Think Seconds started it with Superrugby Stormers/Lions! :roll:

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  163. Het iemand meer inligting oor die varsity span wat nou Italie gaan toer?

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  164. As far as I am aware, it is a National University 7s team. The squad and coaching staff are as follows:
    Mervano Da Sliva UWC
    Lungelo Goza NWU
    Johann Kritzinger SU
    Eugene Hare NWU
    Kurtley Arendse UWC
    Rohaan Adams UWC
    Gustav Erlank NWU
    Edwin Van Rooyen NWU
    Jacobus Smit UP
    Bernard Van der Linde UP
    Diederik Oberholzer NWU
    David Carey WITS
    Clement Trout (Team Leader) UWC
    Pieter Van den Berg (Head Coach) NWU
    Cobus Oosthuizen (Strength and conditioning) NWU

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