For any comments about 2019 competition.
| FNB MATIES | W | U | T | C | N | U | B | S | U | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| I | C | U | U | W | J | Y | H | W | ||
| T | T | K | T | U | E | I | C | |||
| S | S | M | ||||||||
| RESULT | W | W | W | |||||||
| FOR | 33 | 66 | 26 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 17 | 5 | 24 | |||||||
| Ricky Nwagbara | Jeppe | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| HJ Luus | Paarl Gim | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Piet-Louw Strauss | Oakdale | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Jordan Sesink-Clee | Michaelhouse | 5 | 4 | 4 | ||||||
| Johan Momsen | Paarl Gim | – | 5 | 5 | ||||||
| Johann van Niekerk | Grey HS | 6 | 6 | 6 | ||||||
| Ernst van Rhyn | Paarl Gim | – | 7 | 7 | ||||||
| Stefan Streicher | Oakdale | 8 | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Logan Boonzaaier | Groendal | 9 | 9 | 9 | ||||||
| Jordan Chait | SACS | 10 | 10 | 10 | ||||||
| Munier Hartzenberg | Rangers YC | 11 | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| Chris Smit | Paul Roos | 12 | 12 | 12 | ||||||
| Cornel Smit | Bishops | 13 | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Duncan Saal | Kasselsvlei | 14 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Edwill van der Merwe | Paul Roos | 15 | 15 | 15 | ||||||
| Dan Jooste | HJS Paarl BH | 16 | 16 | 16 | ||||||
| Wayrin Losper | HTS Bellville | 17 | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Leon Lyons | Selborne | 18 | 18 | 18 | ||||||
| Ben-Jason Dixon | Paul Roos | 20 | 19 | 19 | ||||||
| Mitchell Carstens | Paul Roos | 19 | 20 | 20 | ||||||
| Brendon Nell | Paarl Gim | 21 | 21 | 21 | ||||||
| Reinhardt Fortuin | Paul Roos | 22 | 22 | 22 | ||||||
| Thoko Seerane | Ben Vorster | 23 | 23 | 23 | ||||||
| Bernard Jansen | Diamantveld | 4 | – | – | ||||||
| Chris Massyn | Monument | 7 | – | – | ||||||
| FNB UP-TUKS | C | U | M | W | U | S | N | U | B | |
| U | J | A | I | W | H | W | C | Y | ||
| T | T | T | C | I | U | T | E | |||
| S | M | |||||||||
| RESULT | W | W | L | |||||||
| FOR | 23 | 40 | 24 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 6 | 19 | 26 | |||||||
| Etienne Janeke | Nico Malan | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Werner Fourie | EG Jansen | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| JP Smith | Bishops | 3 | ||||||||
| Marius Verwey | Middelburg | 5 | 5 | 4 | ||||||
| Ruan Nortje | Wonderboom | – | 4 | 5 | ||||||
| Stephan Smit | 6 | 6 | 6 | |||||||
| Ewart Potgieter | Pionier | 20 | 7 | 7 | ||||||
| Denzil Hill | Jeppe | 8 | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Theo Maree | Ben Vorster | 9 | 9 | 9 | ||||||
| Tinus de Beer | Waterkloof | 10 | 10 | 10 | ||||||
| Ciaran Dayaram | SACS | 11 | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| Erich Cronje | EG Jansen | 13 | 13 | 12 | ||||||
| Lourens Pretorius | 13 | |||||||||
| Dewald Naude | HJS Paarl BH | 14 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Vaughen Isaacs | Marlow | 22 | 15 | 15 | ||||||
| Llwellyn Claasens | 17 | 16 | 16 | |||||||
| Cabous Eloff | Affies | 16 | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Bart le Roux | Framesby | 18 | 18 | 18 | ||||||
| Brian Leitch | KES | 4 | 19 | 19 | ||||||
| Reagan Oranje | Queen’s College | 20 | ||||||||
| Damian Bonaparte | Outeniqua | 15 | 21 | 21 | ||||||
| Irvin Ali | EG Jansen | 23 | 22 | 22 | ||||||
| Hanru Sirgel | Grens | 7 | 23 | 23 | ||||||
| James Smith | Eldoraigne | – | 3 | – | ||||||
| Wian van Niekerk | Paarl Gim | 12 | 12 | – | ||||||
| Romeo Eksteen | Drostdy | 21 | 20 | – | ||||||
| Denver Prins | Worcester Gym | 3 | – | – | ||||||
| Etienne Oosthuizen | Kempton Park | 19 | – | – | ||||||
| FNB UJ | N | T | C | U | W | M | U | B | S | |
| W | U | U | C | I | A | W | Y | H | ||
| U | K | T | T | T | T | C | E | I | ||
| S | S | M | ||||||||
| RESULT | L | L | L | |||||||
| FOR | 8 | 19 | 26 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 23 | 40 | 27 | |||||||
| Kayden Kiewett | Hugenote | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Willem Du Plessis | KES | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Stephen Bhasera | Falcon (Zim) | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Malembe Mpofu | 4 | – | 4 | |||||||
| Adriaan Bester | HTS Middelburg | 5 | 4 | 5 | ||||||
| Edwin Jansen | EG Jansen | 7 | 7 | 6 | ||||||
| Siyabonga Luwaca | Hentie Cilliers | 20 | 20 | 7 | ||||||
| Dian Schoonees | Grey College | 8 | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Jack Hart | Affies | 9 | 9 | 9 | ||||||
| Jeanluc Cilliers | HJS Paarl BH | 10 | 10 | 10 | ||||||
| Shaun Williams | Garsfontein | 11 | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| Cyprian Nkomo | Middelburg | 12 | 12 | 12 | ||||||
| Siphesihle Radebe | 13 | 13 | 13 | |||||||
| Tatendaishe Mujawo | St Benedict’s | 23 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Odwa Nkunjana | Monument | 14 | 15 | 15 | ||||||
| Lehlohonolo Mphuthi | 16 | 16 | 16 | |||||||
| Pierre Rabie | Linden | 17 | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Coenrad Vrey | Monument | 18 | – | 18 | ||||||
| Tyler Brown | – | 5 | 19 | |||||||
| Siyabonga Masuku | Piet Retief | 19 | 19 | 20 | ||||||
| Johan Esterhuizen | Monument | – | 21 | 21 | ||||||
| Tyreeq February | HJS Paarl BH | 22 | 23 | 22 | ||||||
| Wynand Botha | 21 | – | 23 | |||||||
| Khanya Ncusane | HJS Paarl BH | 6 | 6 | – | ||||||
| Darryle Kameel | Outeniqua | 15 | 22 | – | ||||||
| FNB WITS | M | C | S | T | U | B | U | U | N | |
| A | U | H | U | J | Y | C | W | W | ||
| T | T | I | K | E | T | C | U | |||
| M | S | |||||||||
| RESULT | L | W | L | |||||||
| FOR | 17 | 25 | 26 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 33 | 15 | 33 | |||||||
| Bheki Shongwe | Barbarton | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| CJ Conradie | Monument | 2 | – | 2 | ||||||
| Reynard Cronje | 18 | 3 | 3 | |||||||
| Kevin du Randt | Glenwood | 4 | 4 | 4 | ||||||
| Conor Brockschmidt | KES | 5 | 5 | 5 | ||||||
| Constant Beckerling | Helpmekaar | 6 | 6 | 6 | ||||||
| Cal Smid | Rondebosch | 7 | 20 | 7 | ||||||
| Phillip Krause | Affies | 8 | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Krappies van den Berg | Linden | 9 | 15 | 9 | ||||||
| Kurt Webster | DHS | 10 | 12 | 10 | ||||||
| Daniel Kasande | Maritzburg College | – | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| ??? | – | – | 12 | |||||||
| Yanga Hlalu | KES | 13 | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Kwanele Ngema | Greytown High | 14 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Morne van den Berg | 4 | – | 15 | |||||||
| Justin Brandon | Monument | 16 | 2 | 16 | ||||||
| Craig Hume | Trinityhouse | 17 | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Keagan Glade | KES | 3 | – | 18 | ||||||
| Pascal Snyman | 19 | 19 | 19 | |||||||
| Sipho Siboza | Pietersburg | 20 | 7 | 20 | ||||||
| Ruan Cloete | 21 | 9 | 21 | |||||||
| Jared Fuller | Trinityhouse | 22 | 22 | 22 | ||||||
| Neil Nyembe | 23 | 23 | 23 | |||||||
| Chris Humphries | Trinityhouse | 15 | 10 | – | ||||||
| Mark Snyman | Helpmekaar | – | 16 | – | ||||||
| Luyolo Qinela | Selborne | – | 18 | – | ||||||
| Sicelo Champion | KES | 11 | 21 | – | ||||||
| AJ van Blerk | Helpmekaar | 12 | 24 | – | ||||||
| FNB NWU | U | B | U | S | M | U | T | C | W | |
| J | Y | W | H | A | C | U | U | I | ||
| E | C | I | T | T | K | T | T | |||
| M | S | S | ||||||||
| RESULT | W | W | ||||||||
| FOR | 23 | 37 | ||||||||
| AGAINST | 8 | 21 | ||||||||
| Botter Moloto | 1 | – | 1 | |||||||
| Louis Van Der Westhuizen | 2 | – | 2 | |||||||
| Robert Hunt | Drostdy | 3 | – | 3 | ||||||
| Johan Retief | 4 | – | 4 | |||||||
| Danny Du Plooy | 5 | – | 5 | |||||||
| Gideon Van Der Merwe | Nelspruit | 6 | – | 6 | ||||||
| Wandile Mazibuko | Glenwood | 7 | – | 7 | ||||||
| Wian Conradie | 8 | – | 8 | |||||||
| Chriswill September | 9 | – | 9 | |||||||
| Schalk Hugo | Worcester Gim | 10 | – | 10 | ||||||
| Lungelo Gosa | Selborne | 11 | – | 11 | ||||||
| AK Nela | Glenwood | 12 | – | 12 | ||||||
| Evardi Boshoff | Lichtenburg | 13 | – | 13 | ||||||
| Pienaar Van Niekerk | Grey College | 14 | – | 14 | ||||||
| Chuiner Van Rooyen | Helpmekaar | 15 | – | 15 | ||||||
| Marius Stander | 16 | – | 16 | |||||||
| Douglas Bruce-Smith | Klerksdorp | 17 | – | 17 | ||||||
| Matimu Mangayi | 18 | – | 18 | |||||||
| Reuben Du Plooy | Marais Viljoen | 19 | – | 19 | ||||||
| Senzo Mkhize | 24 | – | 20 | |||||||
| Eugene Hare | 25 | – | 21 | |||||||
| BF van Staden | – | – | 22 | |||||||
| Khulu Mcuma | – | – | 23 | |||||||
| Edward Haas | Drostdy | 20 | – | – | ||||||
| Sylvester Hassien | Outeniqua | 21 | – | – | ||||||
| BF Van Standen | 22 | – | – | |||||||
| Mitchell Van Der Merwe | Potch Gim | 23 | – | – | ||||||
| FNB UCT | U | T | B | U | S | N | W | T | C | |
| W | U | Y | J | H | W | I | U | U | ||
| C | K | E | I | U | T | K | T | |||
| S | M | S | S | |||||||
| RESULT | W | L | ||||||||
| FOR | 32 | 5 | ||||||||
| AGAINST | 24 | 66 | ||||||||
| Ashwyn Adams | Rondebosch | 1 | 1 | – | ||||||
| Cuan Hablutzel | Bishops | 2 | 2 | – | ||||||
| Michael Kumbirai | St Alban’s | – | 3 | – | ||||||
| Duncan Saffy | Hilton | 19 | 4 | – | ||||||
| David Meihuizen | HJS Paarl BH | 5 | 5 | – | ||||||
| Niel Otto | Outeniqua | – | 6 | – | ||||||
| Josh Moon | Michaelhouse | 7 | 7 | – | ||||||
| Nyasha Tarusenga | St Benedict’s | 8 | 8 | – | ||||||
| Stef de Gouveia | Rondebosch | 9 | 9 | – | ||||||
| Michael Brink | Grens | 22 | 10 | – | ||||||
| Thobekani Buthelezi | 11 | 11 | – | |||||||
| Robbie Ball | St Andrew’s | 12 | 12 | – | ||||||
| Siba Mzanywa | Kingswood | 23 | 13 | – | ||||||
| Rayno Mapoe | – | 14 | – | |||||||
| Darian Hock | HJS Paarl BH | 15 | 15 | – | ||||||
| Brenton Greaves | St Charles | 18 | 16 | – | ||||||
| Ntando Mpofana | 16 | 17 | – | |||||||
| Simon Raw | SACS | 3 | 18 | – | ||||||
| Gary Porter | Michaelhouse | 4 | 19 | – | ||||||
| Tawanda Mutuma | St Stithians | 20 | 20 | – | ||||||
| Lance Steytler | – | 21 | – | |||||||
| Kyle Bowman | Maritzburg College | 21 | 22 | – | ||||||
| Jonty Bredell | – | 23 | – | |||||||
| Nama Xaba | Glenwood | 6 | – | – | ||||||
| Lohan Lubbe | Paarl Gim | 10 | – | – | ||||||
| James Tedder | Kearsney | 13 | – | – | ||||||
| Tumi Mogoje | SACS | 14 | – | – | ||||||
| Tomasz de Rosenwerth | Rondebosch | 17 | – | – | ||||||
| FNB UWC | U | S | N | B | T | C | U | W | M | |
| C | H | W | Y | U | U | J | I | A | ||
| T | I | U | E | K | T | T | T | |||
| M | S | S | ||||||||
| RESULT | L | L | L | |||||||
| FOR | 24 | 25 | 21 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 32 | 47 | 37 | |||||||
| Luvo Bazi | Dale | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Jacques Van Zyl | Paul Roos | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Justin Theys | Groote Schuur | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Matthew Le Roux | HJS Paarl BH | 18 | 4 | 4 | ||||||
| Curtley Thomas | Fairbairn | 5 | 5 | 5 | ||||||
| Joel Paarwater | 19 | 6 | ||||||||
| Tyler Gessler | SACS | 6 | 6 | 7 | ||||||
| Adrian Paarwater | Bishops | 8 | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Clayton Daniels | Hottentots-Holland | 9 | 9 | 9 | ||||||
| Keagan Fortune | WCSS | 21 | 21 | 10 | ||||||
| Andre Manuel | Bishops | 11 | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| Lyle Hendricks | Paul Roos | 12 | 12 | 12 | ||||||
| Lubelo Scott | Bishops | 13 | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Juandre De Klerk | Durbanville | 22 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Tristan Leyds | Bishops | 15 | 15 | 15 | ||||||
| Luan Du Randt | Swartland | 16 | 16 | 16 | ||||||
| Alexander Mbete | Paul Roos | 17 | – | 17 | ||||||
| Reece Bocks | Swartland | 7 | 7 | 18 | ||||||
| Jean-Louis De Lange | Brackenfell | 19 | 18 | 19 | ||||||
| Labib Kannemeyer | Wynberg | 20 | 20 | 20 | ||||||
| Aidynn Cupido | Paul Roos | 10 | 10 | 21 | ||||||
| Luke Cyster | 22 | 22 | ||||||||
| Hendrick Calitz | 23 | – | 23 | |||||||
| Dandre Degenaar | HJS Paarl BH | 17 | – | |||||||
| Pieter-Styl Swanepoel | Nico Malan | 4 | – | – | ||||||
| Kurt-Lee Arendse | Paulus Joubert | 14 | – | – | ||||||
| – | ||||||||||
| FNB CUT | T | W | U | M | B | U | S | N | U | |
| U | I | J | A | Y | W | H | W | C | ||
| K | T | T | E | C | I | U | T | |||
| S | M | |||||||||
| RESULT | L | L | W | |||||||
| FOR | 6 | 15 | 27 | |||||||
| AGAINST | 23 | 25 | 26 | |||||||
| Edward Davids | Fichardtpark | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Anrich Alberts | Framesby | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||
| Tebogo Masemola | 18 | 18 | 3 | |||||||
| SJ Wessels | Sentraal | 4 | 4 | 4 | ||||||
| Rayno Nel | Duineveld | 8 | 5 | |||||||
| Ruan Smit | 6 | 6 | 6 | |||||||
| Luvuyo Ndevo | 7 | 7 | 7 | |||||||
| Hardus Nel | 8 | |||||||||
| Nikky Hattingh | 9 | 9 | 9 | |||||||
| Marc Morrison | KES | 10 | 10 | 10 | ||||||
| Karabo Maqeba | Retief (Kastell) | – | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| Johan Nel | Tom Naudé | – | 22 | 12 | ||||||
| Ruan Wasserman | Jim Fouche | 13 | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Jason Raubenheimer | Selborne | 15 | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Heinrich Bitzi | Grey College | 12 | 12 | 15 | ||||||
| Ruben Cross | HTS Middelburg | 16 | 16 | 16 | ||||||
| Quinton Vorster | Glenwood | 17 | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Henco Smit | Garsfontein | 3 | 3 | 18 | ||||||
| Sylvester Makakole | Welkom Gim | 5 | 19 | |||||||
| Ngozi Songezo | 20 | |||||||||
| Estiaan van Rensburg | 21 | 21 | 21 | |||||||
| Andre Hanekom | Stellenberg | 20 | 8 | 22 | ||||||
| Cohan Jasper | Drostdy | 23 | 15 | 23 | ||||||
| Brandon Fortuin | 19 | 5 | – | |||||||
| Stefan Kruger | – | 19 | – | |||||||
| Johannes Terblanche | – | 20 | – | |||||||
| Message Nkosi | Ligbron | – | 23 | – | ||||||
| Rassie Breedt | 11 | – | ||||||||
| Dimitrio Tieties | Noord-Kaap | 14 | – | |||||||
| Jan Kotze | Heidelberg Volkskool | 22 | – | |||||||
| SHIMLAS | B | U | W | N | U | T | C | M | U | |
| Y | W | I | W | C | U | U | A | J | ||
| E | C | T | U | T | K | T | T | |||
| S | S | |||||||||
| RESULT | W | W | ||||||||
| FOR | 47 | 33 | ||||||||
| AGAINST | 25 | 26 | ||||||||
| Bhekinkosi Qaba | Cambridge | – | 1 | 1 | ||||||
| Hanno Snyman | – | 2 | 2 | |||||||
| Cornelius Kramer | Grey College | – | 3 | 3 | ||||||
| Sibabalo Qoma | Westville | – | 4 | 4 | ||||||
| Mervyn Roos | Boland Landbou | – | 5 | 5 | ||||||
| Janco Cloete | Diamantveld | – | 6 | 6 | ||||||
| Henk Pretorius | Affies | – | 7 | 7 | ||||||
| Mihlali Peter | Queen’s | – | 8 | 8 | ||||||
| Izak Burger | Paarl Gim | – | 9 | 9 | ||||||
| Justin Taylor | Helpmekaar | – | 10 | 10 | ||||||
| Marnus Boshoff | Grey College | – | 11 | 11 | ||||||
| William Eybers | Oakdale | – | 12 | 12 | ||||||
| Kurt Eybers | Oakdale | – | 13 | 13 | ||||||
| Cham Zondeki | DHS | – | 14 | 14 | ||||||
| Sechaba Matsoele | – | 15 | 15 | |||||||
| Willem Marais | Grey College | – | 16 | 16 | ||||||
| John Henry Fincham | Grey College | – | 17 | 17 | ||||||
| Thembinkosi Mangwana | St Benedict’s | – | 18 | 18 | ||||||
| Olehile Losaba | Kingswood | – | 19 | 19 | ||||||
| Menzi Nhlabathi | – | 20 | 20 | |||||||
| Rewan Kruger | Grey College | – | 21 | 21 | ||||||
| Ruan Henning | Garsfontein | – | 22 | 22 | ||||||
| Charl Pretorius | Grey College | – | 23 | 23 |
As far as I am aware, it is a National University 7s team. The squad and coaching staff are as follows:
Mervano Da Sliva UWC
Lungelo Goza NWU
Johann Kritzinger SU
Eugene Hare NWU
Kurtley Arendse UWC
Rohaan Adams UWC
Gustav Erlank NWU
Edwin Van Rooyen NWU
Jacobus Smit UP
Bernard Van der Linde UP
Diederik Oberholzer NWU
David Carey WITS
Clement Trout (Team Leader) UWC
Pieter Van den Berg (Head Coach) NWU
Cobus Oosthuizen (Strength and conditioning) NWU
Het iemand meer inligting oor die varsity span wat nou Italie gaan toer?
@Greenman: ek ken daai gevoel,my foon se font is al op sy maksimum gestel,maar steeds is my donnerse arms te kort….
@Smallies: I give it to Maties but playing any team down in the WP with your local talent as refs is going to be challenging. Think Seconds started it with Superrugby Stormers/Lions!
@McCulleys Workshop: no glasses so have
to feel my way around!
@Greenman: maties het orals gewen die jaar,gee dit maar vir hulle ,dit was n damm goeie span gewees
Morning Greenman, how was your brandy last night?
Local is lekker!
Eish. Kom ek traai weer. Masr korter. Die refs in die Kaap is moertoe. Kort net n trui. Word seker aangerand as die locals verloor. “Leave it” is n verskoning vir omkant! Sorry maar “animal farm” nou in die kaap. Geen ander span sal daar wen die jaar!
@Smallies: mort cpmment. Geen span moet enige
iets in die Kaap speel nie. Die AA refs in die Kaap mis net die W trui. Spring hoer as die spelers met n local wen. Maties ennou wag die skolegames
Hier is my “dreamteam” na afloop van die Varsity Cup.
15) Tristan Leyds
14) Andre Manuel
13) Lourens Pretorius
12) Chris Smit
11) Edwill v/d Merwe
10) Jordan Chait
9) Chriswill September
8) Nyasha Tarusenga
7) Wian Conradie
6) Johann v Niekerk
5) Gary Porter
4) Ernst v Rhyn (c)
3) Ruan Kramer
2) Johan Grobbelaar
1) Botter Moloto
16) Louis v/d Westhuizen
17) Cabous Eloff
18) Piet-Louw Strauss
19) Johan Retief
20) Gideon v/d Merwe
21) Zak Burger
22) Lubabalo Dobela
23) Munier Hartzenberg
Geniet die Paasnaweek se skolerugby
@ baileys: The Ikey Young Guns are great on attack and play some old traditional Ikeys rugby. The Defense was not great in the first two games I watched but has steadily improved. I will watch the CUT game. Last year I worked on a breakdown of players/schools who had played VC for Ikeys since inception and after the Southern Suburbs of Cape Town, KZN provides the most Ikey VC players. There have been 9 from Michaelhouse and 8 from Kearsney alone. Current Captain and the stand in Captain are both from KZN.
@ Beet : Stephan Smit, Tuks number 6 is from Garsies
@baileys: Extremely talented players those 3 lads from House.
Yes McCulleys. 3 House boys playing in the Ikeys young guns team . Fleischer ( capt ) , Price and Calvert Evers.
Sutherland , Kearsney .
@baileys: You a House supporter/OB?
Maties lyk my is onstuitbaar die jaar…
@baileys: Ok they played as good as what Tuks played bad.
But lets also be honest. That 5 min could have made a difference, maybe both ways!
Off for lightning and main game televised on Supersport . Lets give credit where it is due .
@baileys: Serious? Did you watch the game? And the Clock?
@Greenman: Yes then you stop the game as Tukkies is 10m from the try line and on attack. Very strange decision.
But as you say no future in Varsity Cup. Do not even know why they have it.
@ Toffee , brilliant win by Ikeys young guns against Tuks last night ! 4 th week in a row on the road . Seems
there are some sore losers out there . Win at home against CUT will finish above Tuks !
Young guns does not feature in varsity cup. Ikeys_tukkies young guns game shortened by 6 min while “main” game allowed full 80 min. Bullsh&$t! Why bother!
@Vleis: nope, not Wits, although quite a few of his friends are there. He is part of the mix elsewhere, balancing academics and sport. His recent comment was that; “for the first time in a long while there is no pressure associated with political interference and boetie boetie activities”. He enjoys his rugby tremendously.
@Beet: Late to the ruck…Ntando Mpofana from UCT went to Port Shepstone High School.
@BrotherBear: That’s the plan at present. Have you got a lightie attending Wits?
@Vleis: Constant is final year Chemical engineering, don’t know his postgrad plans.
Will your son be playing next year?
@BrotherBear: Yep, it’s a great pity that my son did not get to play VC with him this year due to a technicality, as I believe that he won’t be back next year.
@Vleis: he has passion and the ability to share and inspire. Great character.
@BrotherBear: Constant is a great captain!
Good for you, on the Wits team. Emotional post match reflection on; “what the game really means for them”. Love for the game, the team and each other.
Long time since I have seen such a spectacular “cape mullet”, as sported by the UCT fullback. He must have spent 2 hours at the hairdresser.
@Kattes-Strofes: Eerlikwaar ek weet nie,Salomo se wysheid nodig hier.Ek dink vir starters lek Europa hulle Lippe af vir ons jnrs.Die ander unies sal bitter vinnig iets soort gelyk soos die Bulle moet implimenteer.
Na n Jaar of 2 as die Klub liga landwyd gestig is kan die verskillinde unie wenners op n Nasionale grondslag teen mekaar meeding vir Nasionale wenner.
Hopenlik sal borge,mediadekking ens toe neem as dit suksesvol is.Om te wag vir SARU om iets te doen gaan nutteloos wees,die Unies sal self moet inoverend dink.
Ek kan egter nie sien hoe n klub stelsel/toernooi ons basse gaan red nie…Dis soos om karre te bou vandag sonder ps/abs/aircon ens..daai skip het klaar gedock,gesail en gesink….
@Grizzly: Ek het by n betroubare bron gehoor dat die 4 Super Rugby unies n maksimum van 10 skoliere elk gaan teken. Dit beteken maksimum van 40 spelers landwyd. Volgens die berig oor die Bulle, gaan dit nog veel minder wees. Ek weet laasgenoemde het nou n behoorlike o/20 liga gestig, maar wat van die ander unies. Hulle praat almal van spelers dop hou, en later intrek vanaf Varsity Cup vir hul o/21 span. Die Sharks het nie eers n span in die Varsity Cup nie. Wat word dan ook van die talentvole jong manne wat nie kan verder studeer nie?
@Riempies: Ja sorry oor die baie vrae,mens sal sweet eks n prokureur.
Die Bulle lyk my probeer die hele ding soos volwassenes hanteer,in die beste belang van die spelers.Hoop die compo en plasing werk uit vir julle,baie sterkte.
@Grizzly: Dit gaan Spiekeries hierdie kant dankie. Jy vrae n hoop vrae! Dink die meeste van hulle darem al op media geantwoord. Dit is n reuse gatslag MAAR hoe dit tans is is nie volhoubaar nie. Sover ek verstaan kan die 0/20 manne self besluit by watter klubs hulle in die Volcano Cup wil join. So hulle sal dan daar klub rugby speel. Sommiges sal seker ook opgetrek word om deel van die 0/21 groep te vorm wat nog aan CC gaan deelneem.
Dan het ek gister n berig deur Alan Zondagh gelees waar hy se dat hulle(die Bulle) spelers wie se kontrakte gaan eindig sal help om miskien by kleiner Unies te gaan speel. Dink Ruggas het n goeie berig geplaas.
Dink SARU is oor hul sell by date! Tyd vir een van die Unies om hulle te fire maar dit gaan seker nooit gebeur nie.
So ja daar is nou baie druk om te perform by die Bulle.
PS: Go Noorde!!!
@Grizzly: beslis nie 240 nie, ek skat maksimum 100
@Smallies: Hoe word mense wat sulke besluite neem in hul poste geregverdig…o Ja,sien Bulle is besig om huis skoon te maak,Paar mense het aan beweeg. Hoeveel kontrakspelers op Vrystaat se boeke?
@Grizzly: en 28 van hulle is deur Tukkies gekontrakteur…. Soo Tukkies speel met professionele spelers in die varsity cup, heeltemal teen dit vaarwoor die varsity cup staan
@Riempies: Howzit Rieme,Ek sien op News24 die Bulle gaan 100 Jnr kontrakte cut
Het meer as 240 gekontrakteerde spelers op hulle boeke 
Hoes dit moontlik??Dan wonder hulle hoekom hulle Nie n wins wys Nie?Waar en hoe gaan hulle die spelers in deel in die nuwe /20 Liga..Kan jy Kies wat se klub of deel die unie jou in omdat jy onder kontrak is?SARU se gemors laat die unies in tamatie STR…
Tuks yg 31 shimlas yg 6.
@Skopgraaf243: the Pukke close-quarter tackling was also very good. Maties loosies the real deal. Would like to see no 8 put in space more.
@BrotherBear: i particularly like the Maties 13, and would agree Maties 11 great finisher. Maties hooker is strong as an ox, taking candy from kid, the Pukke side no answer for Maties physicality.
How is Edwill (maties no 11) not playing provincial rugby? Speed, workrate, tenacity, finisher. Whole Maties team performing brilliantly. They would give some Rsa provincial teams a beating.
Jack Hart getting deserved exposure and recognition. Well done. He is welcome in my team any day.
UJ really playing well and with a lot of heart. No 11 and 15 both small but getting go forward every time they touch the ball and don’t lose the ball. Can see they have heart. Big guys (and names) like Yanga Hlalu (Wits) has lost the ball a few times and looks a bit scared.
@OudUppie: ja dis vital vir hulle
@Smallies: ‘n Moet wen vir Shimlas vanaand. As hulle die een verloor gaan die pad semmies toe baie moeilik word.
Now getting conflicting info. Latest is Wits scored after the hooter winning by 37-13. I asked if the 1 point UJ seemed to have earned since half time was for participation (no answer – think I ruined the friendship
)
And in other news Wits Young Guns beat UJ Young Guns by 30-12 in a bottom of the barrel clash in Jo’burg. Match just finished. Halftime score was 22-12 according to a source at the game.
SHIMLAS,Ikeys vanaand, lets go kovsies
Wits of Niks vanaand?
UJ vs UCT scrappy game followed by bad officiating!
Amount forward passes, players straight off their feet, and how does #9UJ tap ball back in ruck?, its like kicking ball into your own player!
@beet: I thought Tuks were tactically naive in this game – both Maties’ yellow cards were issued on their goal line, the Tuks scrum was already dominant and they were behind on the scoreboard. On both occasions they went for a penalty goal (which they missed, twice), where the situation called for scrumming down and exploiting their dominance. Not intelligent decision making in my view.
It was Tuks of Niks for that Tuks scrum against Maties!
Great game Maties vs Tuks!
I do think Tuks 10 out of his depth though, and what might have costed them at the en was lack of commitment from forwards to the ruck.
Some great charges at pace coming from both teams.
I found this match to be in a class of its own compared to the earlier match with UJ getting surprised by CUT.
Perhaps the scoreline that put UJ in a better light, however they should have lost much further.
Kyk net hoe baie Pukke is ons hier………
@Kattes-Strofes: oom Katte jy moet nie vergeet van Puk nie, dink die een wat gaan uit mis gaan Shimlas wees.
@McCulleys Workshop: He could have gone to 2 better schools.
Have you made up with Old School?
@Beet:
@McCulleys Workshop: Highbury?
@star: He went to a good school
just saw.Tuks 40-19
Tuks en UJ score?
It is still early days, However ! Going on the few matches that I have watched so far, the Maties will certainly be the big favourate to retain their cup. Also think that Tukkies, Wits and Shimlas could be the other semi-finalists.
Fortunately for UWC, UJ, CUT and even UCT, there will be no relegation this year. The latter boosts some experienced players, with provincial honours. However! They were completely blown off the park last night by the Maties, who strengened their pack. I expect those four to fight it out for the wooden spoon.
@BrotherBear: stem BB, ma uitstekende en vinnige diens van no 9 ZB
Shimlas vs UWC was a bland affair, but that UWC flyhalf may have some promise. Solid game for old-Helpie (Kwagga) – Shimla no 10.
@star: to utilise the wind, you need ball in hand. Last night size did matter in front. But it was backed up with all over skill and lots of speed at the back. Tukkies has same potential – let’s see if thay can unlock.
@star: The Maties no.8 made a memorable break and long run in for his try during the match. It reminded me of a time a few years back when the UCT captain would produce similar X-factor moments just about every time he touched the ball. But I guess there are always going to be those matches where the shoulders have to do just about all the hard work for 80 minutes and there’s no chance to produce any of the glamorous stuff with ball in hand.
@star: Ikeys just not good enough@the moment.Some of those players, in fact quite a lot completely out of their depth. VC sides need union support to be competitive, if we like it or not. Cant see them winning many games. I believe the only semi pro sides like Tuks, Maties, Pukke and to some extend Wits the other sides need a lot of catch up. That’s my four for the semi’s,with Tuks and Maties in final. Kovsies played some very good ball in hand stuff and both their no 9’s doing basics very well. But to think that Ikeys beat UWC is what making formline, for me very suspect
The Ikeys were put to the sword last night. They were smothered by the maroon wall and cut to shreds out wide. I just cannot understand how they were unable to make better use of the wind in the first half. The captain put in a typical pitbull performance
but it was not nearly enough to stem the tide.
Really poor coverage of the Young Guns. VC needs to up their game
@boerboel: uhhhhhhhhhm ja twee jaar terug wat die game in stellenbosch gewees en Pienaar Van Niekerk het die wendrie gerduk….. Rerig my ou lees tog net bietjie met begrip voor jy skryf…
@Kattes-Strofes: if one considers the dancing hordes at the 2 Joburg varsity Gates, it is not difficult to imagine that varsity administrators have unique challenges
@BrotherBear: It would seem that the allocation of rugby bursaries are limited, with certain criteria.
@Kattes-Strofes: are you saying UJ not spending money on new intakes?@Kattes-Strofes: or does rugby playing students rather prefer other varsities?
Seems things are going downhill I.t.o. general standards for some?
@Kattes-Strofes: are you saying UJ not spending money on new intakes?
@Vleis: I do not have much details on UJ,s YG team. However! I may be wrong, but it does seem that there is a shift in the UJ rugby set-up. It seems that they no longer consider it a priority to perform at a high level.
Hopefully I am wrong, but this is my oppinion, having spoken to quite a few players, past and present.
@Smallies: Was hy die ref of Helgard Muller se vriendin se broer
het hulle almal goue rolexe gekry of by julle seker n lekker vet tollie?/3 maande se paaiemente op n Fortuner?
@Vleis: Probably a case of teams bucking the system in the past so in stead of the organisers having to police every player in every game they just nail the team where it hurts most. I think teams watch one another like hawks because of this, and the whistle on the field is not the only whistle that is blown every week….I noticed an article on another website that claimed the one TUKS YG player was listed as a POC but he is quite well known up north and not a POC and it was changed later when reported. Apparently there were nine ‘errors’ on that team sheet and even after it was corrected there were still errors. So ‘mistakes’ do happen.
@Kattes-Strofes: What has happened to UJ’s junior teams? The UJ YG team was heavily beaten by Pukke YG on Monday and I seem to remember that last year’s UJ u20 club team also received some huge hidings? I think that they even pulled out of the u20 club semi-finals, but I stand to be corrected.
@beet: Wow! Based on the article, it appears that UKZN was very hard done by and that double standards were applied. Did UKZN sue KPMG – an audit firm who’s future in SA is under threat due to the many poor decisions made in the recent past?
@Quagga: Perhaps the VC committee should allow some exceptions to display a humane side?
As I mentioned earlier, UJ are playing without a number of key players, who unfortunately did not achieve the required credits. Others have not been released by the Lions, while there are also some players missing due to long term injury. This is obviously a huge blow to the team, and of cource to the players involved. I suspect that UJ will be one of the teams that are going to struggle, to avoid relegation.
Thanks everyone who helped link a few more of the players to the schools they attended.
@beet: Double standards and rugby-exclusivity seems as prevalent in the VC (as the author illustrates) as it sometimes seems to be in schoolboy rugby. An unfortunate turn of events indeed.
My perception (based on discussions with youngsters) is that the competition rules are supposedly cast in stone when it comes to who is eligible to play. I know that one of the teams had to give a bunch of players the bad news no more than 5 days before the competition started why they could not participate (for different reasons) and imagine that is not unique to one team only. The system is supposedly geared at keeping things fair for all teams, with the key word being supposedly.
@Vleis: Instead of hearing it from someone biased like myself I thought it would be best to reference a more objective level-headed viewpoint:
http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2016/04/06/impi-slain-by-assegai-from-behind/
@beet: Haha. First time I am president of anything.
I promise to try and get better info.
@beet: What happened to the Impis – I see that they were deducted points, but I’m not sure why?
Another reason why the YG might be bigger this year is due to the cancellation of the u19 CC.
It’s amazing that a tournament that gets so much right is so hopeless in some areas – printing out the names of all the VC an YG players and providing some background (e.g. position, height, weight, schools, etc) would cost almost nothing.
@Greenman: I don’t have any VC connections other than Riempies who is Global President of VC Communications for the Blog. Being a Sharks supporter I can’t say I’ve cared much to see the VC succeed in the past. After what happened to UKZN Impis in their quest to be promoted a few years back, I was gatvol but its interesting to see how the VC’s popularity picking up all the time and I cannot help but sense that SA rugby unions are set to because more reliant on Varsity funding / structures / partnerships to help develop junior players going forward, which does now make it an initiative to try and support.
The YG comp has always been very low key. I think this year is the best one yet because the teams play all opponents, so there’s a lot more rugby and hopefully better things come of it.
@OudUppie: hy het 2 jaar terug PRG se harte gebreek….
@Vleis: Treurig inderdaad!Maar vir Beet gevra om die VC YG in gedagte te hou as hy dalk connections het
@knowthegame: I think NWU, Ikeys and Maties if I look at the scoresheet
@ Beet
Maties
Wayrin Losper – HTS Bellville
Ikeys
Simon Raw – SACS
Nyasha Tarusenga – St Benedicts College
Darian Hock – Paarl Boys High School
Duncan Saffy – Hilton College (played seconds at school)
Kyle Bowman – Maritzburg College
Pienaar van Niekerk – 14 van Pukke is van Grey Bloem
@beet: Evardi Boshoff – pukke nr 13 is van Hoerskool Lichtenburg en Rayno Nel – CUT nr 8 is van Hoerskool Duineveld in Upington.
21 CUT HJS
@Riempies: Jy weet jou kanse is groter om ‘n rekenaarvirus van ‘n kerkblad te kry as vanaf ‘n pornsite? Die een gebruik amateurs en die ander een pro’s. Ek sal verkies dat VC s’n deur pro’s bedryf word.
@beet: Beet ! Quinton Vorster, the reserve prop of CUT, was in Boishaai, and not Glenwood.
@tzavosky: Nee wat Dok hulle het mos baie studente wat dit verniet kan doen. Maak dit deel van n projek. Dit is mos nou vir studente.
Dan op twitter en facebook is daar amper elke 2 ure n update van een of ander aard
@Riempies: Vandat Steinhoff “onttrek” het as hoofborg het hulle seker nie meer geld om ‘n webmeester te betaal nie…
@Gifappel: Stem.
@guts-and-glory: Thanks. I’ve seen that. It’s very light on details.
@guts-and-glory: They make this big fuss on tv,facebook and twitter about VC but on their official website the VC players is not even updated.
@Vleis: The results are at http://www.varsitycup.co.za/varsity-cup-fixtures-logs ,can’t find any other info
@Vleis: Treurige spulletjie. Niks te kry nerens op die web nie.
@Toffee: My daughter was at the UCT game, but had to leave about 5 or 10 minutes before the end. She said that UCT were down by 8 (I think) at that stage…so UCT must have scored a lot of points in the last few minutes?
Does anyone know where to find info on the Young Guns? I don’t even know who the Wits YG players are. There were a few u19/20 players who were part of the greater Wits VC squad, but were not selected for the VC match day 23 yesterday…so I presume that they played for the YG team. However, I don’t know where to find the info.
Ikeys Young Guns won by 40+ points against UWC but it was a lot harder than the score indicated. UWC pack was bigger but the Ikeys loosies were fantastic. Ikeys backs were able to break the UWC backline regularly.
The main game was tight and Ikeys perhaps a little fortunate to win – scoring two seven point tries took pressure of the home team. There was a lot of hype in the UWC community and it fed through to their players who played like men possessed. A lot of them were cramping and limping towards the end. They will not be able to put their bodies on the line like that every game. It was a scrappy game in windy conditions which suited UWC. Experience(this is an experienced Ikey team) and patience on attack was the difference in the end i.m.h.o. UWC brought a massive crowd with them and at least 70% of the crowd were UWC supporters and they were well behaved and fun to talk to.I thought the Ikey centre combination of Robbie Ball and James Tedder looks very promising and they could develop into something special.
I think the quality of VC this year will be as good as previous years. What I have noticed is that most teams are adopting rush defense tactics which really closes down space and attack options. Attack coaches need to adapt to this.
@beet: yes, the present rugby structures are under pressure and the VC does relieve this. My gripe is that quite a lot of players are not part the formal system (largely due to politicized school provincial system – boardroom and AA) but still very good talent. Fixing one problem then kind of steals opportunities from others. But then again, if they really have a love for the game then keep on playing club or koshuise. Very difficult to progress from there though.
@Greenman: miskien meer passievol as ernstig oor die dinge. Verstaan ook tog waar jy vandaan kom; Mens wil tog nie jou eie genot van ‘n skouspel versuur met negatiewe gedagtes nie. Ek lewer maar net kommentaar nademaal en probeer die mooi spel gedurende die game geniet.
@tzavosky: san check hy seker nie sy pa nie ???
@Speartackle:Jammer, ek nie regtig betrokke by rugby nie, en probeer ook maar net my mening lig. Ek is nie n statikus nie en dankie dat u my reghelp. Hoop nie , ek te veel Vrede lesers ontstel nie
@Smallies: Ek glo nie – hy het ‘n kontrak by die Bulle gehad, so hy moes vir sy eie studies betaal, en hy het verlede jaar graad gevang – Sportwetenskap.
like most of us i did look fore ward to watch VC last night. It look like Puk can put in a challenge. Maties i believe will not have it their own way like last year. Its early days but pack is suspect. Wits made way too many errors.I believe they have it completely wrong to play last year 10 at 15. Wits will be tough to play at home.Biggest challenger i believe will be Tuks. Nolis M good at this level.Agree with comment that Puk 15 is a good player. Ex helpie who was at the sharks. Anycase my 20 Zim dollars worth
@knowthegame: Vrede has been unbeaten against Grey since 1948
@Greenman: Happy for you but don’t read much into it’s like Vrede play Grey college. Basically only Maties who will put up some decent resistance
Beet: Stephan Streicher is van Oakdale
Ek stem saam met julle manne.
Nou is die Varsitybeker op die regte pad.
Identifiseer nuwe talent wat deur die gate geglip het.
@Smallies: Correct, as long as we don’t confuse this entertaining product with rugby.
@Ploegskaar: as it should be
Judging by the standard of the Maties/Wits game, we can safely assume that these are bona fide students that play a bit of rugby.
@Rainier: Hulle dink ook hulle is die slimste en almal moet vir hulle luister. Hulle maak so baie foute, dit is nie eers meer snaaks nie. By elke afskop is daar spelers van die aanvallende span wat oor die middellyn gehardloop het.
@Kattes-Strofes: Because most refs do not have the slightest clue what happens in a scrum. I think that they just thank their lucky stars every time the front rows do not collapse or pop or the scrum wheels through 90 degrees.
Kwailiteit van die rugby het nie veel na wense oorgelaat nie.
Ek kan nie wag vir die skolerugby om te begin nie.
Transformasie slag ons rugby.
@Speartackle: Chuiner van Rooyen take a bow! NWU found a gem on attack.
@tzavosky: to qualify for NSFAS most likely…. I would also if it means free tuition…
@beet: Maties No23, Thoko Seerane is from Ben Vorster, but it is slightly more complicated than that.
He used to be known as Adrian Maebane, but everyone called him Thoko. At some point he changed his surname to Seerane, which I think is his mother’s surname. If you look at the team representatives on the Varsity Cup website, he is listed as Adrian Seerane with TUKS (which says something about updating that site).
So, Adrian Maebane = Adrian Seerane = Thoko Seerane, from Ben Vorster. And may I add, a thoroughly decent and likeable guy, who captained BV, Limpopo CW side and Tuks Young Guns.
@beet: Some more names/schools from the Wits team:
CJ Conradie – Monnas
C Brockschmidt – KES
Krappies – Linden
S Champion – KES
S Siboza – Pieties
J Fuller – Trinity
@BrotherBear: Sorry late reply. I think the contracted players had a nice mainstream path laid out for them a few years ago, so there was good reason to leave the VC to studies first rugby second students. It was sort of a 40-20-10 set up in junior rugby under the watchful eye of the RU’s. 40 players got a chance in u19 CC. Of those 20 progressed to u21 CC over 2 years and then if all went well 10 make it to playing senior provincial rugby within a couple of years out of u21. Things have changed though. There is a lot of uncertainty and it stems from rugby unions having financial constraints. Seems like they can just-just support u21 rugby for now but they still need the young players to come through. The VC is something that could fill that gap if/when the junior structures are no longer sustainable. It gives the players who want to become pros a chance to develop in a good environment and their presence would certainly enhance the compo.
Let it become like College Football in the States. The players have to achieve the grades but no one is under any illusions about why they are at their respective Colleges.
I made a first attempt at adding a table of the teams with schools attended in the post above
@Greenman: ek het donnald nog nooit n swak game gesien speel nie
Goeie moer! Jammer Brother bear! Bietjie tongue and cheek. Dit klink baie ernstig en so die ouens na jou wat gecomment het. Gee hulle gas!
@tzavosky: I totally agree with you ! I cannot, for the life of me, understand the reasons why refs are so strict on lineout throws, yet totally ignore blatant skew put-ins at scrum time. Both of these are very important set pieces of the game, and therefore needs , and deserves proper management, and fair application of the laws, to ensure a fair contest.
Tonight I’ve witnessed the most horrendous skew scrum feeding during the NWU/UJ game. Every single scrum. I don’t see the point in having laws when they’re not enforced, or selectively enforced.
No wonder the weather gods became upset!
@Greenman: Don’t you think that giving the “miss” to the Guptas for so long has cost the country a wee bit? Just for interest sake; are the people I commented on supposed professionals or not? Who holds them accountable if we don’t? You live by your standards, I will live by mine.
Thought Cal Smid performed very well for Wits. Saw good leadership and intelligent play. Maties just too strong with lots of experience. Wits forwards tried hard, but backline a bit haphazard although there is some bite. Keagan Glade looking very lean and fit at no 3. Played a solid game.
@Greenman: your commentary and motive a bit unclear. Mine is quite to the point. Don’t worry, will not question your associations and motive ;-) Enjoy while you can – great sprit what, what.
@BrotherBear: You under the weather and up the commentators back side! And the ref as well! Eish just give it a miss
I do not want to sound anti-establishment, but holy mackerel these wordsmith are supposed to perform to some standards, or what?
Must say the commentators in Maties vs Wits game are totally clueless, saying Wits dominating the acrum. Absolute illegal scummaging by Wits. Luckily ref now also saw the light. Arn’t you supposed to pass some test to be on national TV?
@Beet: Edward first game as captain and I believe did well. We will watch how he and the team progress. The no 1 Donald from Affies had an awesome game! Lineouts were Edwards like in the old days! Under the radar! looking good!
I thought Ettiene Reyneke was the worst commentator I have ever heard but this punk that did the UJ game tonight is the new King of Irritation
I think the Sharks are going to regret losing Geronimo
Holy shit
What a player
@BrotherBear: ek was eendag op die rugby veld toe die weerlig die pale raak slaan…. Not nice
Stopping the play between Pukke (NWU) and UJ due to lightning may be good risk management, but the organisers are absolute idiots. Lots of spectators milling around in the open and players took quite a while to get away from the open. Surely everybody is at risk and more so people in a bunch????
@Greenman: how did your son do?
father!
Tukkies young guns 71-7 CUT. Proud father
@BrotherBear:Ek sekondeer jou stelling 100%,dit is presies die punt wat ek probeer maak het
@Kattes-Strofes: @beet; I agree that contracted players should not be eligible for young guns or varsity cup. Nothing prevents them from studying, whether full time or part time. Cudos to them if they can be successful in both. My argument leans towards the many talented players that did not sell their souls to a union, but are now pushed out of an opportunity to show their mettle in a bigger arena. Can we say that the contracted players are “stealing” their positions aand have their bread buttered both sides? Surely the contracted players have more than enough opportunities? Except of course if you are part of a group of say 50 contracted players ;-) and feel the brunt of favouratism. Mamon is smiling wide and smacking his grease smeared lips in glee.
I agree with you! One should also take into consideration that a career in rugby is probably one of the the highest risk trades, and it should therefore be commended that those who also study, are planning for their future after rugby.
@Kattes-Strofes: there was a time when I also wanted the VC reserved for students who play rugby and not rugby players who study.
Due to the wrong direction SA junior rugby is moving in, I think it merits a change of opinion.
We need to be grateful for the opportunities and contribution varsities are able to offer rugby players with the potential to make it as full time pros in the sport one day.
@Kattes-Strofes:as hy kwalifiseer is dit fine…. Maar nie ten koste van n voltydse student sonder n kontrak nie, ek voel net dat die varsity cup nie vir pro spelers moet wees nie… Dit is n studente kompetiesie
@Smallies: I respectfully must disagree with you ! Why should a pro rugby player, who wishes to further his education, not be able to qualify to play Varsity Cup. Most of them are still juniors and once they hit the seniors, the mountain to climb becomes even greater. It already takes a huge effort to marry the two, so why still penalise them? There are numerous students that are also employed elsewhere. Will they also be barred from playing?
If any rugby player obtains the neccesary credits in his exams, irrespective of his other commitments, I do feel he should qualify.
@Riempies: juis my punt, varsity cup moet slegs vir studente sonder enige verbintenis met die unies wees, dis hoekom dit die varsity cup is en nie die vodacom cup of die supersport reeks is nie, dit moet vir studente uitsluitlik wees, sonder kontrakte
@Smallies: Dink ons praat bietjie by mekaar verby.
Daar is maar min manne wat swot wat by unies gekontrakteer is. Minders as meeste mense dink. So die afrigter se fokus is op rugby nie studies nie. Hy word nie geavulueer op hoeveel grade kry nie maar eerder of hulle bekers wen.
In begin verskion hulle graag spelers wat swot maar sodra Currie Cup of wat ook al begin kom rugby eerste. Dit dan wanneer manne wat altwee doen agter begin raak met klasse.
@Riempies:dis ook hoekom ek se dat die afrigters maar noodgedwonge moet besef dat akademie die kitaar slaan op varsity, enige afrigter wat enigsins mens gerig is sal dit kan insien… Indien nie hoort hy nie by studente rugby nie
@Riempies: ek se glad nie dat dit die selfde is nie, ek se dat as die laaities die druk op skool kon verwerk en suksesvol was hulle dut op varsity ook sal kan doen
@Smallies: Verskil totaal van jou. Op skool loop jy klas van oggend tot middag. Daarna rugby oefening. Varsity bied hulle klas aan in selfde tyd as rugby oefening. As jy verstaan vak loop soos Wiskunde of Rek of of raak jy agter. Dan onthou die pas op varsity klas is 4 maal die van skool. Niemand lek jou gat of help jou afsonderlik nie.
Nee wat moerse verskil. Selfs vir manne wat 4 plus onderskeiding in Matriek gehad het.
@Kattes-Strofes: ja nee ek verstaan hulle probleem maar ek dink dat as hulle matriek met vrystelling kon slaag terwyl die meeste van hulle vir n top skool se eerstespan gejol het hulle die swot en rugby besigheid ook onder die knie kan kry…
@Grizzly: dis maar kanse keuses en nagevolge.
Die skuif en oorswaai van studie rigtings word daar selde aan die nagevolge gedink, en dit was wel is waar bekend aan almal, die reëls is reëls.
I forgot to add! WP, the Lions and the Bulls are all linked to their local Varsities, and also use this as a marketing tool ,with their recruitment efforts.However! The bursaries that are offered, comes from the Varsities, and not the union. The latter then also want their slice of the pie, and the players that received bursaries, must be available for Varsity Cup. As I understand it ! Unless injured, if you do not play for the Varsity, you lose your bursary.
@Smallies: Jy is seker in n mate reg. Maar mens moet darem ook simpatie hê met die manne, wat onder baie moeilike omstandighede, probeer om hulself beter te bekwaam vir hul toekoms, na rugby. Moet byvoeg dat WITS kom die rugby manne baie tegemoed, en bied vir hulle klasse in die aande aan, na oefeninge.
Ikeys have named their team for the game against UWC and the forwards pack is much the same as last year, no debutants.Two new faces in the backs and on the bench. Experienced squad and captained by Nama Xaba.The experience and continuity over the past three years should bode well for this team. I expect them to make a semi-final. Excited to see the announcement of the Young Gun’s side.
@Kattes-Strofes: Hi Kattes, I take my hat (cap) off to them, one of my kids recently finished varsity and it was sufficiently demanding and stressful, without a semi professional sports program (although I think there was a strong beer regime).
jys reg kies ruppie of werk kannie byde kante gebootter he nie
@Kattes-Strofes: ek kan die dosente se punt insien, dit is immers akademiese instellings, dalk moet die afrigters bietjie meer by die akademie inval…
@Riempies: Totally agree with you.However! As you mentioned, it is no joke to marry the two. I know that at UJ, some of the lecturers have no sympathy for the rugby guys, and do not excuse them from, sometimes not attenting classes, due to pratices. It also requires a huge amount of self diccipline, and a social life is almost non existent. But I am sure that those who persevere, will one day reap the rewards !!
@Skopgraaf243:Gaan jy nou se waarvoor daai afkorting staan.
@Riempies: hence the the players programs with the varsities giving not only study oppertunities but a alternative should things not go according plan.
@Quagga: I am a firm believer of having a balance in life.
I refused that my child only play rugby even though he is contracted. What happen if he get a rugby ending injury? But then my advice was also not to just study a Mickey Mouse diploma so you can play VC.
It is a tough life trying to do both.
goeie move studente moet ruppie speel soek nie prof spelers nie
@Riempies: Agree it seems tougher for a rugby player to reach the 60 credits level than meets the eye. The reality is that contracted players simply have a full-time job to contend with. If academic requirements are not met the rugby players who study then suffer the consequences in terms of both academics as well as participation in the VC. But then that’s probably the argument; is the player a student or is the student a player? Life is a series of decisions but I still feel sorry for the guys that do not qualify. Some of the rules are harsh and once the dice has been cast the result may be devastating. It would be interesting to see what the powers that be decide for the future with the current and planned future changes in terms of provincial competitions and its effect on university competitions.
@RnR: @Kattes-Strofes: Thanks.
@Vleis: @RnR: Yip! 60 cedits in one year. Just heard that some of the UJ stalwards of last year, also cannot play due to this rule! I feel for the young men!!
All the best for your youngsters!
@Vleis: One year
@Riempies: Thanks and same to your son.
@RnR: Thanks RnR. Do you know if the requirement is 60 credits from one year, or a cumulative 60 credits over the prior years?
@Grizzly: @Hanswors: Thanks.
I still feel sick to the bottom of my stomach…and it looks like Wits have a really good team this year with comfortable preseason wins over UJ and a powerful SupaBaabaas team.
@RnR AND Vleis.
Sorry about the disappointment….life is tough!
I can imagine that they will be strict. They do not want to get to the business end and will be penalised over a technical issue.
A couple of years ago NWU were almost stripped from the cup due to a technical issue, so I can think that the institutions will make sure all is legit.
To the players – keep on working hard, you can not keep a good man down!!
@Skopgraaf243: Dom vraag, maar help my uit met die afkorting asb.
@RnR: C.C.C.
@Vleis: @RnR: Tough one.Best of luck next season.The good news out of this is,looks like there’s no grey area and is applicable to everyone, irrespective of names and reputation ext.
@Vleis: I received this email from the Operational & Sponsorship Executive of the Varsity Cup yesterday.
“Thank you for your email.
I am really disappointed for your son and deal with these situations quite often and it is never easy.
Unfortunately, your son cannot take part in Varsity Cup because he did not get 60 credits. The rule is firm and we apply it to all players.
We have even denied international athletes that missed 60 credits because they were taking part in World Games. It is a tough rule and we apply it strictly.
I am sorry but your son will have to achieve 60 credits in 2019 in order to be eligible to play in 2020. All the best with his studies and rugby in 2019.
Kind Regards”
My son and myself are also very disappointed in this rule.
Good luck
@Vleis: I feel your pain. Good luck to him.
@RnR: How did it go with your son?
My son was only told today that he can no longer play in the Varsity Cup. He’s completely devastated. He went to Stellies to do a BAcc in 2017, but left in June to go overseas until June 2018. Now, two years later, he is kicked out of the VC due to the 60 credits rule despite the fact that he did not play a single game of rugby at Stellies, or even register with the rugby club.
I appreciate that they have rules in place to catch the ‘professional’ rugby players abusing the VC system, but I believe that they should at least provide some leeway to cases that are obviously not abusing the system. There goes five months preparation, sacrifices, holidays missed….all down the drain.
@BrotherBear: Ons ondersteuners moes in “full kit” wedstryde bywoon. Dit sluit die jas, gumboots en ‘n hoed in. Daar was plek vir baie voorraad onder daai jasse. By die 3des en 4des het die spelers selfs somtyds n draai langs die veld gemaak vir versterkings.
Elsenburg het in my eerste jaar die Sauer Beker gewen. Die manne wat opgetrek is klub toe was gewoonlik briesend want hulle wil eerder vir Elsenburg speel.
@BoishaaiPa: kaap in 80s verlaat toe nog durbanville wa begin durbanvile en waar stop belville
@BoishaaiPa: Maar darem aan regte kant van N1.
@CharlesZA: Ja..ek is genooi. Sal my bydra gaan lewer.
@Andre T’tjie: Actually is Stellenberg in Bellville..
rugby is soos gholf ma net vi manne
stellenberg in durbanville
@BoishaaiPa: Ongelukkig nie die jaar nie. Jy daar?
@CharlesZA: Speel jy Vrydag in jou skool se golfdag daar by Kuilsrivier?
@Riempies: the unions claim “body soul and spirit”. Many times the young players are mere “canon fodder”. Balance is near impossible if your first priority is rugby.
Scholars be warned!!! If the sharks don’t get you, the wolves or lions or “bears” will.
@BrotherBear: Ek so 10 jaar na jou. Net eerste jaars toernooi was agter ingeneurs gebou gespeel. Par groot name daar sien speel vir hulle koshuis se eerste jaar spanne. Jean de Villiers vir Simonsberg, Schalk Burger vir Eendrag en Schalk Brits vir Wilgenhof. Die Boishaai manne sal ook onthou dat hulle in 2000 2 SA skole stutte gehad het. JD Moller en Neil Fullard. Enigste keer wat ek n span se toeskouers sien cheers het as hulle eie span bal aanslaan. Daai 2 manne het gemors met die arme ander voorrye.
@BrotherBear: Al wat ek vir jou probeer se is dat dit nie so maklik is as wat jy wil voorgee nie.
Moeiliker om albei te balanseer. Verwagtinge hoog.
My oogpunt was baie dieselfde as joune voor ek die anderkant gesien het. Bevind jouself eers in die skoene dan kan jy n educated opinie lig. Ek was baie naief twee jaar terug.
@Riempies: weet nie hoekom jy so “harp” op die “genius”.
Persoonlike mening is dat akademiese presteerders met sport talent in sport voordeel geggee moet word. Die sport fasiliteite bestaan a.g.v. die akademiese installing. Om 《50% die maatstaaf te maak is eintlik lagwekkend. Selfde argument as matriek slaagsyfer.
@BrotherBear: Net so genius.
Ek sou nooit by daardie conclusion kon kom nie.
@CharlesZA: dink nie ons was so ver uit mekaar – laat 80’s, vroee 90’s. Koshuis games meestal agter ingenieurs en oop velde by Coetzenburg.
@Riempies: Jong, as ouens varsity toe gaan on primer rugby te speel is daar vier primere uitkomste:
1. Hulle doen goed in akademie en rugby. Almal wen
2. Hulle doen sleg in rugby en akademie. Niemand wen. Mors van tyd en belasting geld.
3. Akademie goed en rugby sleg. Student wen en stel homself op vir langer termyn (die lewe)
4. Rugby goed en akademie sleg. Wat soek die “student” dan op varsity? Mors van belasting geld (wat ons almal betaal).
Varsity verg fokus en werk, fn…l te doen met “genius”.
Vermoed julle manne was paar jaar voor my daar. Ons het nie meer plaas toe gegaan vir games. Medies was enigste keer wat ons bus gery het. Toeskouers was maar min gewees langs die veld daar.
@BrotherBear: n Two arms by medies net voor eerste span se game het ons manne diep in moeilikheid gekry.
@Oakdale supporter: met die koshuis games het die plaas manne allerhande geheimenisse onder hulle jasse weggesteek. Meestal net so ‘n soet dingetjie om die ergste koue weg te dryf. Niks so lekker as om een van die plaas spelers tussen hulle ondersteuners in te duik. Mens het net altyd seker gemaak jy kom dubbel so vinnig WEER op die veld. Oorlog op die veld, maar lekker kuier na die tyd.
@CharlesZA: Veral as julle op die plaas kom speel het!!
@CharlesZA: nr 11 pomp op jou kuite jou kouse sak af….
@Smallies: Beste rugby van my lewe gewees. Weet nie of koshuis rugby nog so is maar die gees langs daai velde by Coetzenburg was ongelooflik. 2 posisies wat jy nie wil speel is haker en vleuel.
@knowthegame: dan kom dit dus daarop neer dat die koshuis rugby kompetiesie einlik die ware varsity cup kompetiesie is… Geen kontrakte net studente wat jol vir die eer van hulle koshuis
@Toffee: Thanks. Yes, I’ve seen that site. I was just wondering if there are any other sites, as the Varsity Cup website is mediocre.
@ Vleis. It was shared by a mate on facebook – the site is SupaRugby – I am sure a search on Facebook or Google should take you to the site.
@Greenman: Ek antwoord jou op whats app
@guts-and-glory: maar dan gasn ons seuntjies mekaar ontmoet. Wat speel hy?
@Greenman: Ja, my seun in Maties groep.
@guts-and-glory: Jy n direkte belang daar?
@Toffee: Yes, Green is a big loss…but otherwise, I think that the squad looks good.
On what social media site did you see the squad?
@Greenman: Maties Young Guns speel more opwarmings wedstryd teen UWC, so sal ook maar weer die lyne loop.
@RnR: Kanse is nul.Was daar,reels is duidelik,student moet minimum van 60 krediete kry.AS jy uitsondering vir een maak,gaan daar baie soort gelyke gevalle wees. Die anderkant van die coin is, klomp ouens met geen intensie om deur te kom word n eerste keer ingeskryf en dan kan hulle speel, so die sisteem het maar baie flawes maar ek stem 100% saam dat bona fide studente wat bv Carlton beker gewen het by TUKS speelkans moet kry. Maar dit werk nie so nie,weet nie of dit steeds so is nie maar Tuks of BB o/21 hoe jy dit ook al wil noem het selfs op Loftus geoefen. Die Bulle bestuur Varsity Cup vir Tuks, miskien het dit verander maar dit is hoe dit is,miskien was maar ek twyfel
@RnR: My klong was in 2017 in presies dieselfde posisie. Het opgeskop middel van die jaar weens min klasse bywoon agv Jong Bokkies oefenkampe, en het ook toe van kurses verander die volgende jaar (toevallig ook BCOM Bemarking). Hulle het nie n saak gehad nie, en hy kan vanjaar eers weer jol !
@Greenman: Sien jou dan later..
@Riempies: 3.30
I see the Wits team was announced on social media. Some names that stand out are Kurt Webster at flyhalf with Christian Humphries at fullback. A young but talented pack with Cal Smid at 7 and young ex KES prop Keagan Glade starting. Captain same as last year Constant Beckerling. Certainly a team that will probably be top 4 this year.Last year Green was massive for Wits and if he is not available it will impact on them.
The Ikeys are playing Maties at 7pm at UCT tonight in a (final) practice game and I am going to go watch. It should give an idea of how the Ikeys will do this year.
@Greenman: Jy weet mos ek kan nie van n rugby game af wegbly nie. Hoe laat speel Young Guns?
Wits are playing their final practice match tomorrow evening v the SupaBaabaas. The SupaBaabaas squad is as follows:
Sheldon Williamson, Allistair Mumba, Reghardt Roux, Lux Ntsepe, Itu Mpete, Dean Gotdon, Ori Abutbul (captain of Israel’s national team), Stokkies Hanekom, Leroy Ndlovu, Hendrik Mulder, Jaywinn Juries, Dudlee White-Sharpley, Carling Forwood, Koning van Rensburg, Alex du Plooy, Wikus van der Berg, Mitch Fraser, Raymond Nel, Jojo Tshivase, Bees Roux, Nico van der Heever, Francois Jacobs, Dillon Bakos, Siya Nzuzo.
Looks like a strong team, so Wits will have a tough assignment.
@Kattes-Strofes: Thanks for the info. I see that a few of the players that you mentioned are playing in a warm-up match for the Lions v the Bulls on Saturday.
I think that Wits have quite a few players returning from last year. I’m not that familiar with the squad from last year, but I think about four starters from last year’s pack are playing this year (including the captain) and about four starters from last year’s backs (including the vice-captain) are returning. Obviously there are much more returning if you include the squad/bench from last year.
@BrotherBear: Ek het eintlik bedoel, soos sake nou staan, dat die unies, die universiteite, en natuurlik ook die gekontrakteerde spelers wat studeer, hierby baat.
@Riempies: Sien ek jou more?
Tukkies more in aksie teen Pukke in opwarming! Sien uit dat die seisoen begin
@BrotherBear: Dit raak meer kompleks as jy n jaar vak het. Krediete per vak verskil ook sover ek verstaan.
Vra maar mederheid van manne wat daar is. Om 60 krediete te kry is moeilike as wat jy dink. Tensy jy nou soos jou kind met n genius sit.
@RnR: Sterkte met daardie een. Hoop vir jou part julle raak lucky maar gaan jou amper wed dit gaan afgekeur word.
@BrotherBear: Ek het in kontak gekom met n Varsity Cup Official en n mail gestuur en alles verduidelik, ek hoop maar vir die beste.
@RnR: dis ‘n bummer. Sou se hulle moet voorsiening kan maak vir sulke gevalle. Srudente weet nie altyd of hulle met regte rigting begin. Ek gee myne maar jaar of 2 om gedagtes op te maak. Jou geval heel “legit”, in my boekie.
@RnR: ek sal so ver gaan en se dat dit soos in die ou dae moet wees, maw die varsity cup span MOET uit die koshuisliga kom…
@RnR: Jammer man,wat n opp.Kon hulle nie vir jou vroegtydig gese het nie,kan jy nie jou saak gaan stel nie?Seker iemand Kan jou help?
@RnR: gaan speel oorsee
@BrotherBear: Middag julle, ons het met n skok agtergekom in die begin van die jaar dat jy n min van 60 krediete moet he.
My seun is laasjaar deur die koshuisrugby liga raakgesien en soedoende hom n plek oopgespeel in die Tuks Young Guns oefengroep. Hy het sy kursus in die middel van die jaar gestaak en ingeskryf vir n ander 3 jaar kursus (Bcom Bemarking) wat ongelukkig vir hom eers nou begin. Die probleem wat nou ingekom het is dat hy nie genoeg krediete het om Varsity Cup/ Young Guns te speel nie omdat hy in die middel van die jaar opgehou het en nie sy kursus tot aan die einde van die jaar voltooi het nie. As hy sou dan was daar nie n probleem vandag nie.
So ons hekkie was n lae ene waaroor hy gestruikel het.
Ek dink ons moet ook net weet watd die criteria is om Varsity Cup te speel.
Die student moet voltyds swot, hy moet ten minste n 3 jaar kursus volg en dan moet hy ten minste 60 krediete he
@Toffee: hmmmm, is that a reflection on the rugby players or the average student at UCT? Some faculties are brilliant, others are; hmmmm (same situation at most top varsities in RSA).
@Toffee: i agree 200%
@Kattes-Strofes: jy se almal baat by die reeling tussen varsities en unies? Ek dink net die geldwolwe baat. Baie, baie spelers word buite rekening gelaat omdat hulle nie formeel by unie betrokke is.
@Smallies: to put it in better perspective; a BA student requires roughly 120 credits per year to pass all subjects. It goes up to 200 credits per year for medical (Tukkies as an example). So if the min credits per annum mentioned by @Riempies is used (60), then a varsity cup rugby player can fail more than half his subjects in any course. Seems like a fairly low hurdle, well dependent on who is looking at the hurdle.
I think that it is important that the University sees these young men as students first and rugby players second.I am not trying to blow UCT’s trumpet but the percentage pass rate the rugby players at UCT have is much higher that the those of the other students at the university, in fact it is joked that by playing rugby you have a better chance of passing! The rugby club partners with a tutoring company to help the players as they have a lot of time demands playing and training. Also the players at UCT are doing degrees that will stand them in good stead when they stop playing rugby. Not some course/qualification of convenience to accommodate rugby players.Youngsters and their parents need to give serious consideration when choosing an institution as of the hundreds that go the VC route only a handful end up with professional contracts and some of those only last a few years. The university rugby clubs have a massive responsibility to these kids and need to take it seriously.
@Kattes-Strofes: madibas gaan loshande wen hou dop
@Kattes-Strofes: dit is hoekom rugby is waar dit is lee velde standard is laag
@Smallies: @Andre T’tjie: Soos ek gesê het, ek stem ook saam. Weet egter nie of die betrokkenes dieselfde hieroor voel nie.
@Smallies: ek stem saam
@Kattes-Strofes: hier is my vraag, hoeveel van die unies se elite varsity cup boytjies speelnog na die varsity cup in die gewone clubrugby seisoen vir daardie instellings… Ek voel net dat die studente wat goed genoeg is om die not so glamorous klub kompetiesie diens te doen, die vooreg moet he om varsity cup te speel
@Kattes-Strofes: amateurs saam met semi prof spelers in een komp stem nie saam nie reg nie studente wat hier speel moet hier speel spelers wat klaar by unies betrokke is hoort nie in die kompetisie nie
@Andre T’tjie: Ek stem ook saam hiermee. Wil net noem dat die unies baie nou saamwerk met die universiteite. Laasgenoemde is bereid om die manne n studie beurs te gee, en die unies kan dus dit ook as lokmiddel gebruik om goeie spelers te lok. Almal baat dus hierby. Die unies het nie die uitgawe van spelers studiegeld nie. Die universiteite kry baie goeie spelers, sonder om werwing te hoef doen en die spelers kry die beste van beide.(die wat wel hiervan gebruik maak).
Ek glo dus nie dat daar sommer vinnig n verandering in hierdie opsig sal plaasvind nie.
stem saam met julle
@Smallies: Ek stem saam, varsity cup, slegs studente wat nie kontrak met unies het nie.
@Riempies: ek sou graag wou sien dat die varsity cup slegs van ongekontrekteurde studente gebuik maak, die unies het die kompetiesie ge hijack en gaan dit nog meer doen omdat daar nou nie meer n O19 komp is nie, hou die varsity cup vir studente en laat die ouens met kontrakte by die unie hulle ding doen
Looking forward to great Varsity cup! Let the games begin!
@Kattes-Strofes: @beet: Cannot agree with you more. I think tough might be a bit of an understatement. Those player that are contracted to unions first responsibility is towards the union. Thus training and activities are dictated by the union as the are employed by them. Studies are secondary.
Something I would also like to mention is the transformation criteria. I think a team like Tukkies this year are going to find it extremely difficult to get to these figures.
I personally and please this is my opinion and only mine they do not have enough first choice player that fill all the criteria for Varsity Cup. They going to struggle to get 8 and start with 5 First choice players. If one get injured they really going to struggle.
@Vleis: I do not know to much about the possible Wits players. I know that the one lock Reinard Nothnagel, and loosie Len Massyn (both previously played for UJ, but moved to Wits) are also currently injured, but mentioned that they would like to play. Both are excellent players.
Regarding UJ, players like both props, Chergin Fielies and Leo Kruger, Lock/ loosie Darian Lansberg, Scrummie Bradley Thain, Centres Wayne van der Bank and Louritz van der schyff, who all played an important roll in the Lions u/21 team,s success, have not yet been released, or are recovering from injuries.
I also heard that both UJ and Wits will be fielding fairly new teams. A number of the old hands have finished their studies, while others did not achieve enough credit points to qualify ,or further their studies.
Yep, Beet ! It is very tough being a fulltime student, as well as a profesional rugby player. According my son, they are only six guys left that are studying fulltime for a degree, from the 2016 Lions junior intake. More than 20 players have stopped their studies. Others, as you have mentioned, are doing diplomas, where they do not have to attend many classes. I still salute these guys. At least they are doing something to further their education.
It’s quite interesting reading what the players are studying. I saw quite a few UJ players have Transport listed as their course.
@Toffee: Thanks.
@Kattes-Strofes: I thought that the Lions had released their players? If not, do you know of any that may return to Wits?
@BrotherBear: Tans by Varsity Cup groep maar daar is nog geen finale spanne nie.
Although UJ suffered a big defeat at the hands of Wits in their friendly this past week-end, I do know that they are currently missing a huge number of their star players for various reasons. Some players have not yet been released by the Lions, while others are nursing some injuries. I expect them to struggle in the opening encounters, but once their line-up are bolstered to full strengh, they will be a handfull. Most of the Lions team that won the SA Currie Cup u/19 (2016) and u/21 (2018) competitions, will be part of the team. They also have a totally new management team, headed by Dewey Swartbooi.
@Andre T’tjie: Beslis ja: ‘n welverdiende keuse!!
@BuffelsCM: bruikbare speler doen die harde werk vang nie shine nie en is n gebore leier hier is maties nou n goeie move gemaak
@Toffee: Johan Momsen (Paarl Gim) has been appointed as the Varsity Cup captain of Maties
@Riempies: speel jou lat vir een van die tuks spanne?
@ Vleis. Unfortunately they did not hand out team sheets. However most of the starting pack are the same as last year. Ashwyn Adams (Rondebosch), Brenton Greaves (St Charles), Simon Raw (SACS), David Meihuizen (Paarl Boys), Gary Porter (Michaelhouse, Nama Xaba (Glenwood) and Josh Moon (Michaelhouse). There are a few who did not play this past Saturday will be in the mix. Unfortunately Ikey prop Wayrin Losper is doing post grad at Maties and will be turning out for them.
Talking of Maties I think Stephan Streicher will be captain. As a southern suburbs boytjie I noted that Jordan Chiat (SACS) was starting flyhalf, following in the footsteps of Chris Smith. I am not 100% sure but it looked like the Rondebosch wing Mike Movana (spelling…) also in the starting XV and scoring some tries.
@OudUppie: Thanks.
@Vleis: It seems the final squads will only be out later this week or next week. They can only finalize the squads when all students have registered – proof of registration required by Varsity cup. The Shimlas players were requested to all register by coming Wednesday.
@Toffee: Wow, that’s a big win for Maties. Is Tristan Leyds still playing for UWC? Do you know where I could find the team sheets of UCT, as I’d be curious to see who is in their squad this season.
@Riempies: Tuks are always strong and always have many x-factor players. I looked at the Varsity Cup of 2014 in wikipedia and noted that 34 out of the 40 Tuks players have a wiki-link to their own wiki page – i.e. they’re well known players like Rohan JvR, Chris Massyn, etc. My alma mater (UCT) has only 7 out of 45 players with a wiki-link to their own page.
Who are the Tuks stars this year?
@OudUppie: Dink nie jy is ver uit met voorspelling nie. Tukkies gaan n baie jong en onervare span he. Young Guns sal soos altyd n goeie span he.
Moes met my vorige post bygevoeg het dat spelers die heletyd gedurende die wedstryd verander is. Sommige manne was so min as 10 min op veld. Performance agv daarvan was miskien n bietjie misleidend.
CUT het Saterdag teen Madibaz gespeel. Senior span wen 45-7 en young guns wen 38-36
Shimlas het Saterdag, 12 Jan met 2 spanne teen Cheetahs gespeel en speel Donderdag teen UJ in Kroonstad. Glo die top spanne sal Maties, Pukke en Wits wees met die res wat baklei vir die 4de plek. Shimlas het baie jong span en gaan heel moontlik voorlangs sukkel. Sien uit na ‘n opwindende toernooi.
Maties beat UWC 64 – 12 in a warm up game on Saturday. Maties lost a number of senior players from last year but just have so much depth and talent and will be the team to beat again this year. UWC may struggle in the VC this year but have some really good players.
I went to watch the Ikeys play an invitational team in the Doc Cecil Moss memorial game. The under 20’s played first and they are an excellent team. This is the first year the “Young Guns” will play a full round of matches against the same opposition as the senior side. Some nice fatties in the front row but may struggle in the lineouts against bigger sides.
For the senior game the Invitational team were a strong side but the Ikeys won by two scores. Solid pack of forwards and should make a semi-final, all being well.
Tuks one team played the Naka Bulls and the other player a Bulls combined team
Think they won both matches but I am not excited.
Wits had a pre-season practice game today v UJ at UJ and won by 6 tries to 2.