Nice comment from Anton T on 18 January 2019:
In Amerika was daar na die College Football finaal tussen Alabama en Clemson ‘n interesante gesprek. Dit het gegaan oor Alabama se football program wat soos ‘n fabriek is en Clemson sin wat meer soos ‘n familie is. As jy na die “fabriek” toe gaan het jy ‘n baie goeie kans om professioneel te speel, maar daar is nie iets soos lojaliteit nie. As hulle iemand beter van ‘n ander plek kan kry vat hulle hom. Clemson probeer meer sy eie spelers ontwikkel, maar lewer minder professionele spelers. Die afgelope 4 jaar het hulle albei 53 gewen gewen en 4 verloor, en altwee was 2 keer die algehele kampioene.
Nou is my vraag wat is beter? loyalitiet… professionalisme? En wat is jou skool?
In America, there was an interesting conversation during the College Football final between Alabama and Clemson. It was about Alabama’s football programme that is like a factory and Clemson’s which is more like a family.
If you go to the “factory” you have a very good chance of advancing to become a professional in the NFL but they have no loyalty. If the “factory” can get someone better in a position from another place, they’ll take him.
The “family” is trying to develop more of his own players but delivers fewer less professional players.
Over the past 4 College Football seasons, Clemson has won 53 and lost 4. Both Alabama and Clemson were the overall champions twice during this period.
Now my question is what’s better? Loyalty … professionalism? And what is your school?
Anyone else watching the Superbowl tonight?
NFL Game Pass paid, app downloaded on iPad and Samsung tablet, alarm set.
Busy re-reading Bill Walsh’s book, have Mike Lombardi’s Gridiron Genius lined up next.
Maybe 10 minutes worth of action in 4 hours, but it stays the greatest spectacle on earth.
Go Pats!
@Skopgraaf243: nee, dis vleis. Niks soos ‘n lekker “byt” nie.
…kom ons hoop maar die rawe sal na ons kyk!
@Andre T’tjie: het jy gesien die Bulle het Sharks 10, April gekoop, wat n kat in die sak!, dit het GEEN bydrae tot hierdie jaar se aanslag, en WEEREENS is dit ‘n seisoen vir blou-bul ondersteuners om teleurstelling
@BrotherBear: Jou boerewors gordyn vat die koek
@BrotherBear: jyt iets in jou tande, seker saad of iets
@Grizzly: …ook deel van die sirkus? Ek kan net bevestig watt ek gesien het is n clown
Ek weet van twee skole wat hulle eerste en tweede spanne in een liga kon inskryf, Monnas #realwitbulle, en Grey Kollege van Bloem.
Was daar meer?
@Skopgraaf243: @Grizzly: Aahhww, dis so mooi.
@Skopgraaf243: Menlo ook.
@Grizzly: jammer ek doen nie redaksie vir bloubul skole sepie nie!
Ek is slegs toeskouer in die sirkus.
Garsfontein is goeie skool, ek sê maar net
ek wou se dit is iemand se skuld erens
@Andre T’tjie: …spot maar! Ons sal tog eendag weer silver ware hê as iemand dit nie ook laat glip na Leeus streek nie
@Skopgraaf243: jo jo jo
@Andre T’tjie: jip Menlo “Gaps” soos n “Mofo” om gaps te vul
@Grizzly: loftus se bekerkaste is leeg
@Skopgraaf243: Dis fine,ek staan Nie daarvoor nie,maar Kom ons chat by Loftus,as ek Vir Menlo probeer oortuig van die krieket
Waar speel jou klong?Ek neem aan hys gr 11?
@Skopgraaf243: koop en gaps julle ook so baie
@Grizzly: …het jy gesê “Bandjies vir boeties?”
Nou dis interresante gesprek wat ons sal móet hê!
@Grizzly: resultate wys dit
@Andre T’tjie: Hulle gaps teen so spoed dis onmoontlik om count te hou…
@Grizzly: bekerrugby maak dat n perd so hakkel en rondspring passop
@Grizzly: hoeveel seuns gapsies hoeveel spanne in elke ouderdom se my
@Andre T’tjie: ….Maar kan ons asb oor werwing praat…nou al gedink eks op n ander platform…Garsies werf…issi,is…issi, hulle stel aan…hulle gee beurse,issi…hulle werf…issi hulle head hunt,issi,is…hulle gee geleenthede,issi,is…maar net vir bevoorregte seuns…issi,is…as jy goed kan rugby speel is jy bevoorreg…issi, dis n dom oppinie,is…issi…is…jy wen!Nee jy wen…issi jy wen…is ek wen,issi,is….
@Grizzly: sover ek weet baklei hulle oor n speler van gapsfontein wat nie kan besluit wie se delayed option die beste is tussen bois en sacs nie
@Andre T’tjie: Ek stem,ons moet groot genoeg wees om te erken beker rugby is n pot….Op n ander noot,ek verstaan die afslaer het nog steeds nie sy kommisie gekry nie omdat SACS en Bois nie ooreen kan kom wie het die veiling gewen nie…
@Speartackle: wit bulle speel vir wen kyk stats
Jy speel net met jouself vir die fun
enige iets anders speel jy om te wen
@Grizzly: hul rekords en prestasies spreek boekdele daarvan julle moet dit oorweeg
@Andre T’tjie: Ja,ons Moet begin deelname vir die Fun,Soos Affies se,dis lekker om te speel,om te wen is lekkerder maar om deel te neem is die beste…of so iets…
@Grizzly: as jy bekerkrieket speel staan jy agter in ry om vir die blomme te speel
@Speartackle: amla of almal
@Speartackle: Sal lankal die blou waters aan gepak het.Hys besig on uit tyd te hardloop maar bly seker oor lee beloftes.Verstaan dis die Eerste keer dat 3 broers,hy en sy 2 in n eersterangse wedstryd al 3 hondertalle aan geteken het.Twee in een span en een in die ander span.Slaan die bal geweldig hard…Kuiper gekrys met Klusener…
@Andre T’tjie:
Amla se skuld
@Speartackle: toets doen ok eendag sukkel seker iemand se skuld
Hy is beter as Dean Elgar en Markram saam
@Speartackle: seker kwotas se skuld
2014 het Waterkloof n openingskolwer, Janneman Malan gehad, kan nie glo dat hy nog nie vir Proteas speel
rede dat bulle so met craven week jaar op jaar op jaar op jaar sleg uit die bus val wonder soms was hulle ooit op die bus seker bekerrugby se skuld
@Grizzly:
Kan net ook se dat ek 2 Garsies wat Bulle gemaak het nie in my eerste span sou sit nie Nevermind Bulle….
@AbsolutMenlo: Goed,julle wen,eks moeg vir stry.Al Menlo se Bulle en Coke spelers van ’18 het spanne op meriete gemaak.Kan ons nou terugkeer na die gekerm oor werwing asb….
manne noord van vaal is katterig
@Grizzly: … daar was geen debate … net ‘n paar huidige Menlo Protea spelers vereer …
@AbsolutMenlo: Jy ken my beter.Om jou die feite oor krieket te gee sal maande vat.Wie se ranking gee jy weer? Garsies NV champs,dis so goed Soos Garsies word bo Monnas gerank met die rugby.Die krieket debate is n Lang ene,soos Ek se nie die platform die nie.As ek jou sien gee Ek jou my kant en Kyk of ek jou kan oortuig.Die Topic is baandjies vir Boeties…Jy weet Ek soek die beste ou daar op meriete…dis die debate.
Die Garsfontein manne moet ook altyd Menlo in hulle argumente in bring … die jaloesie darem!!
2 X T 20 Nasionale Kampioene
Was al Noordvaal Kampioene
Wenners van eerste Noord/Suid T20
2018 FINAL Ranking Menlo 11 Garsfontein 33
@Skopgraaf243: Don’t get confused,I’m not telling jokes now, stating facts.The joke was last season when Menlo produce 15 players to the Bulls A and B teams.Some of them on merit wouldn’t make Garsies second team.Players like Juandre Scheepers and Kallie Calits from Garsies not good enough for C team.Thats comical.Same with cricket but this not the platform.
@Grizzly: …dont quit your dayjob, comedy not your thing!
@Andre T’tjie: Seker Monnas,of Potch Volkies,niemand het Vir Volkies in die 80’s gewen nie.Menlo krieket maar so,so.In ’17 net,net vir Cornwall gewen om relegation vry te spring.Soos met die rugby,hulle en Affies egter altyd by Titan keurders en slaan die vals kitaar daar ook.
@Die Ken: wit bulle van pta
@Andre T’tjie: Nooit, Hulle was nog kleuters toe
@Die Ken: gapsfontein
@AbsolutMenlo: @beet: Beet, guess which school’s 1st XI batted Menlo to pieces in the late 80s….
Dit is verblydend om uitskietskole buite die gewones se prestasies te erken – knap Brakkies.
Wat krieket betref : Louis Koen (nie die rugbyspeler nie) en Justin Ontong (Gimmies) het internasionale krieket gespeel. Daar was oor die jare baie goeie krieketspelers in die Paarl. Ongelukkig vasgeloop teen die “old school tie”. Een van die bestes was Salie Nackerdien wat ongelukkig in die verkeerde tyd gespeel het. Sou ‘n lang en roemryke internasionale loopbaan gehad het.
@Wondermaar: Sjoe ! Dit is n besonderse prestasie ! Baie geluk ook aan Menlo met hul Krieket stêrre. Die Menlo wat ek ken, was altyd bekend vir hul uitstekende atlete. Nou presteer hulle ook in rugby en krieket .
@beet: Ha- Ha !! Jip Beet ! The answer is not wrong. Although their fame is not really something to brag about.
Also! Nice to read of the number of so-called lesser known sporting schools, that are producing quality sportsmen.
Although I am not a fan of the sporting transformation/ quota story, it would seem that this have forced the various selection panels, to cast their nets wider, compared to the recent past.@Wondermaar: @beet:
@beet: Ha- Ha !! Jip Beet ! The answer is not wrong. Although their fame is not really something to brag about.
Also! Nice to read of the number of so-called lesser known sporting schools, that are producing quality sportsmen.
Although I am not a fan of the sporting transformation/ quota story, it would seem that this have forced the various selection panels, to cast their nets wider, compared to the recent past.
I read that man of the moment Duanne Olivier attended Centurion
@Kattes-Strofes: I think a couple of years back Affies had a springbok captain ,Fourie du preez and proteas captain,Abie de villiers or faf du plessis in same year.
@beet: ?
Menlo old boy Rassie v/d Dussen winning it for SA tonight with Phehlukwayo. Also in the team another Menlo old boy Heinrich Klaasen.
Theunis de Bruyn SA test player also a Menlo old boy.
Talking famous old boys, I read a social media screenshot in which a known professor on his way to a school to give a speech asked for the names of 3 well-known old boys of the school to add into his speech and was given the following 3 names:
Brett Kebble
Glenn Agliotti
Lolly Jackson
@Kattes-Strofes: Always a pleasure.Agree with Stiaan van Zyl,very soft on the eye as a batsman with lots of time to play his strokes.Forched to bat out of position which was unfair to him.Hope the powers to be give him another chance.
@Grizzly: Thanks, Brombeertjie! I am sure that there are quite a few schools that have achieved this feat, like Grey Bloem etc. However! I still think this is a rarity, escpecially for one of the newby, and unknown schools. Brakkies can really be proud of their old boys’ achievements.
@Ploegskaar: Hy is n ongelooflike talent. Het nie rerig genoeg kanse hier gekry nie. Ken sy pa baie goed !
@Speartackle: Stiaan van Zyl
@Kattes-Strofes: Congrats,truly awesome!I think not to long ago Affies had AB,Faf and Jaques Ruddolf with Fourie, Pierre and Wynand Olivier on the rugby side.Faf and RG still playing now.
I know thayt I am totally way off the topic, but I do not know where else I can brag a little with the Brackenfell old boys recent performances. Cornal Skosan made his debut in 2017 for the Springboks and Cheslin Kolbie had an impressive debut for the Boks at the end of last year. Then also Quan Eymann was voted as the best WP u/19 player for 2018. Finally ! Dane Paterson is currently playing for the Proteas against Pakistan. I guess not many schools (if any) can boast about their old boys representing their country in 2 of the major sporting codes, at the same time.
@Playa: I think more boardroom than party politics.Think SARU(Goverment) is afraid to loose control.If they had faith in their abilities that wouldn’t be the case.Look at premiership, French sides which is owned by private individuals.The clubs and the union’s work as one.Imagine a private individual with deep pockets could buy EP with the stadium.Today there’s no more loyalty for the badge,players go where the money is.He could buy the cream of the crop in SA and in no time all problems is forgotten.
Money is what’s going to solve much of the problems in SA.You can’t compete against something that’s 15,17 times stronger than you(currency).If a Euro Billioner buys something in SA,can pay the players accordingly,built the brand not being dependable on gate revenue,then fewer players will leave.The whole chain reaction will filter true our structures and rugby.
I’m more of an Ellof man but if greed gets the cups and results im leaning more towards Luyt then
@Speartackle: jy moet minder erns aan die dag le, netnou glo mense jou/julle. Hoor die Toti ouens is almal familie gedrewe.
@Speartackle: aan watter kant want elke tweede over is jy by long-on
@Speartackle: seker nie baie brandewyn manne op Kingsmead nie?
hulle mos meer spook en diesel en bunnychow manne
gedra jouself
Ek is nou moeg stront gepraat
Nou besig om my Cokes en naartjies vol Richelieu te spuit
Taxify is gebel, Kingsmead hier kom ons
Kyk uit vir my op
Sal daar op die 3de man grens sit
nee ons scout daagliks by swartland gronde
@Andre T’tjie:
Bosasa
Lees jul nie koerant in die Swartland?
geen idee van wie jy praat
@Andre T’tjie: Die vraag is,gaan Gavin Watson tronk toe of lieg A-grizly,sorry,Kan nie sy van spel nie…
@Grizzly: dis nuus gaan hy tronk toe.
@Grizzly: Ek sukkel ook deesdae met n te pap shaft
Verstaan nie hoekom hy nie vir sy nefie gevra het vir een
@Andre T’tjie: Nee verstaan hyt hom gaan teruggee, die shaft is te pap,speel met x-firm.
sal nou seker skotvry weer afkom
@Grizzly: Ek dog hy het klaar een gekry op Stellenbosch
@Andre T’tjie: @Speartackle:
Dis maklik,Soos julle 2 neefs is,ek verstaan Earl is opsoek na n nuwe drywer…as een van julle n spare het….
nou het jy my kompleet confused
@Andre T’tjie: @Grizzly: Julle dink seker aan Justin Rose, hulle is neefs
@Grizzly: ek dink hy kom al die pad van muizenberg
@Speartackle: Het Earl Rose nie ook krieket gespeel nie,hoor hys n goeie Gholf speler
@Andre T’tjie:
Rodney Ontong?
@Speartackle: min tot geen net ontong van gim
@Andre T’tjie: Behalwe vir Dawid Malan, is daar enige ander ster krieketspelers van die Paarl?
@Speartackle: Nee,Paar belowende manne daar buite nou wat dop gehou moet word.Baie puzzled met Amla nou die dag,hit out or get out!Vra vir @Andre T’tjie: saam krieket toe dan kan julle lekker chat…
@Speartackle: Spies my neef is in Toti Stuur vir hom groete Dit is mos naby Kings
@Grizzly: Lekker Grizzly
Ek’s oppad Kingsmead toe
Gaan kyk of daai Paki’s weer die kak uit ons kan slaan
Hoop net nie Amla bat weer deur die beurt nie
Het daar nog nooit n Garsie erens gekom in krieket nie, ek sien kort kort is daar n Affie wat iewers span maak
@Speartackle: @Andre T’tjie: @AndreT,@The Terminator,@Jurie Els,@A river runs true it,@Buck Rodgers,@Heidi,@Cheers!,@Indiana Jones,@Die Stander bende,@Grensvegter,@Rooi kaart, sorry as ek een vergeet het
,Daai rumours oor Garsies is oordrewe,at most top 20…
@Andre T’tjie:
In die eerste plek……..daar is nooit gerugte oor Garsies nie…..alles is die waarheid
Tweedens het Garsfontein vanjaar n masjienspan, onoorwonne is ononderhandelbaar vir hulle
Julle 1 000 dae rekord is in gevaar
@Speartackle: Wat dink jy van die gerugte wat die rondte doen dat Gapsfontein n monsterspan gaan in die veld stoot.
@Andre T’tjie:
Nee
Jy is met my ex getroud
@Speartackle: Is ek en jy dalk neefs?
@Playa: your “greed” statement is so true. Remember that runs hand in hand with politics. Although I believe the politics associated with affirmative action is more damaging than good, the politics I refer to is more general. It is the need to keep oneself in power, with little regard to other’s wellbeing or needs. The really sneaky politicians do provide opportunities to others, if those “others” give something back (or keep them in power). So it is also a greed thing. Also a self-image thing. Their perception of power drives their self-worth. Eish, where are the days that everyone could get a fair chance? Or, was that ever the case?
@Playa: Balance is the most important ingredient in life…
@Grizzly: With professionalism comes greed. Funny you mention Luyt because he was right up there where greed is concerned. The problem is not political interference. Funny enough I think Varsity Cup has the potential to solve the question of this topic. Schools could potentially be schools again where kids realize the bigger picture. That there is life after high school and being in some built up 1st XV of a prominent school matter less than having marks good enough to end up in a high profile varsity and playing rugby.
Patrick Lambie’s retirement should be a turning point. He’s only 28.
Draft in varsity, don’t draft in high school.
To slightly disagree with you, the problem is not politicians. It’s people who think a good rugby school gives you a better chance at rugby. Instead of thinking a good school gives you a better chance in life. Lambie is not short of opportunities in life. But some other 28 year old who suffered the same tragic strike on their rugby career, came from nothing, and will probably die one day with nothing. They may have been at a great rugby school, but they are nothing without rugby on their cv
@Speartackle: nothing wrong with a tight knit family…. Like the corleones???
@Speartackle: then you get some schools with old men on tennis courts!
My school is both
But some schools in particular one in Paarl and one in Bloemfontein take the family thing too far
They are more like La Familia ala Cosa Nostra esta la Tony Soprano conta Gomorra a la Ciro di Marzio
@Cappie: Bois is 880 seuns en is en sal altyd n familie wees.
Grey 1200 +
Roos 1200+
Affis 1200+
Kloof 1200+
Persoonlik voel ek dat meeste skole oor die algemeen in Suid Afrika die familiebenadering volg. Party het welliswaar groot families en moet plek maak vir ‘n groot verskeidenheid. Skole het ook nie meer ‘n baie groot sê oor wie tot die familie toegelaat gaan word nie. Daar is huidiglik nog geleentheid om werwing te doen en beurse aan te bied, maar vir hoe lank dit gaan duur is ‘n ope vraag.
@Grizzly: @BrotherBear: @Skopgraaf243: I believe that SA produces the best talent in the world at junior level, so it’s frustrating that things decline thereafter. As you say, our rugby structures need a complete overhaul – NZ is way ahead of us in that regard. I also agree that we are a bit too insular and thus are less open to new ideas, cross-pollination, sharing, etc. Unfortunately, I think that we also have more corruption in the system than our main rivals. As BB says, great leadership is required.
@beet: In the NFL, the offensive plays (for example, but the same applies to defence, special teams) are called by a combination of the head coach, the offensive coordinator (“OC”) and the quarterback. The head coach is more like a company CEO – i.e. he’s responsible for the whole structure, the strategy of the team’s offence for the season, etc. The OC will mostly plan the finer details of the offensive strategy and he calls all the plays during the match. The QB may change a specific play on the field based on his gut feel or, more often, based on how the defence has lined up, etc. The frequency of the latter will partly depend of the stature of the QB and the OC.
@beet: even these decisions are dictated from the sideline, remember Rassies lights, Dwayne Vermeulen’s headset experience, many more eg.
Captains roll has become limited and is still vital roll in motivation, ensure gameplan and mediate officials if need be.
In NFL the head coach is usually the main decision-maker. Occasionally a head coach will defer to his experienced QB.
I was thinking that perhaps the rugby head coach at pro level should also be responsible for deciding what option to take on kickable penalties in situations where a team member didn’t opt for a quick tap and go. This seems like the biggest on-field decision a captain has to make.
@Vleis: I agree with you that cross-pollination and idea sharing will add a lot of value. I also believe that some of our rugby structures do have a heck of a lot of information and manage it well. There is however a tremendous block in sharing and bringing that knowledge to the larger rugby community. Some management structures believe their knowledge and information is their only power. Especialy the political animals and those that are not innovative & cannot adapt fast. This is where NZ is extremely good, despite the fierce on-field rivalry. We need to change many people and mindsets. Great leadership required.
Boishaai is n familie.
Ek bly in Krugersdorp.
@Vleis: @Skopgraaf243: I agree completely.The question is why.Is it our government interference? People get appointed because they connected?Is is just a trend across SA whereby people put personal agendas before the bigger picture?Surely in the 80’s ,90’s there were administrator’s with the caliber of Craven,Luyt, Kirkpatrick,Eloff,ext….I see the Bulls went all out and appointed a former CEO of blue chip company.The big difference imo is the fact that SARU prohibited personal ownership whereby all the NFL and English Premier clubs are owned by individuals.Almost all of them is billioners with deep pockets and run the franchises like a business with the focus on the supporters.Why SARU can’t see that is behond me.
@Vleis: Rugby in South Africa as a whole has a lot to learn about the professional side of the game.
There is no doubt our talent has extended endless potential if correctly managed and looking after.
This serves from identifying talent, provinsial support, contracts, performance, post rugby career etc.
Its not just NFL, the English premier soccer clubs is also a great example for their systems, programs and professional approach to the game AND players.
@Grizzly: Howzit Grizzly. I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying that NFL is better or worse than rugby – personally, I prefer rugby..
Also, there is no debate that the fitness level of a rugby player is light years ahead of an NFL player due to the way the NFL game is structured – i.e. an NFL player will only participate in some 30 minutes of action over 4 hours.
That said, bear in mind that a top college coach (let alone NFL) earns over R100m per annum, so the level of professionalism is way ahead of rugby. We could certainly benefit from some cross-pollination of training techniques, defence strategies, use of data, unlocking of defence strategies, psychology, video analysis…to name just a few areas.
@Grizzly: …ek hoor jou, maar ek dink Bulle is swak voorbeeld, miskien Leeus WP of selfs die Haaie
@Grizzly: ek kyk nigals bietjie gridiron so dan en wan, wat hulle baie baie goed in is, is om die defence te shift, hulle is altyd opgeline teenoor oponente en hulle tackle hel hard omdat hulle met die helmet lead, nie baie veilig vir die spelers nie maar baie effektief, dis dan ook hoekom daar so baie konkussie is onder hulle, party van hulle afrigters begin nou rugby style tackles in bring omdat dit nie so hard op die kop en nek is nie
@Smallies: Vat 2 spanne,die Cowboys en die Bulle.Gee hulle n maand om rugby te leer en die Bulle n maand om gridiron te leer.Speel Dan 1 rugby en 1 gridiron game,gooi punte saam on Wenner te kies,my gut se Bulle wen
Sien hoe doen hulle in rugby, scrums,tackle sonder hul armour 
@Grizzly: teen die tyd dat hulle defence span fase nr16 moet verdedig is hulle flou… Ek dink nie hulle sal een volle helfte van rugby game kan speel nie…
@Smallies:
pass 10m,hoopie!Pass 10m,hoopie,stop,pass,hoopie.They call that a drive,I just give the ball to Papier 
@Grizzly: totaal over rated, hulle speel in 10 sekonde bursts en nie 80min aan mekaar nie vreeslik groot sterk en vinnig…. Vir 10-20 sekondes op n slag, ek dink hulle cardio kondiesie is baie swakker as n top rugby speler sin…maar wat profesionalisme betref myle en myle voor rugby
@Vleis: What I mean is the Yanks have the ability to make you believe something is more complicated and difficult than it seems.Take 9 ball pool,I pot more balls than my opponent but still loose!
What’s up with that? They’ll tell you baseball is more difficult than cricket.A batter in cricket can expect a full toss and about a triljoen different pitch deliveries whereby in baseball you either expect a curve or a speed ball always coming full 
How difficult will this game be for someone like AB.All Habana treis he scored receiving the ball behind the advantage line with sometimes many defenders to beat.Imagine receiving the ball 30 meters up field infront of the advantage line with 0,1 defenders to beat 10 meters from the try line 
I know it’s not as simple,but imo,NFL overated.
@Vleis: Sorry @Vleis,I think they can learn a lot more from our code.What can we learn from them? Defence and tackle? Attacking space?Atack from structure play,inovation?I think it’s the other way around.I think people like Hansen and White will add a lot whereby their coaches can help maybe in the condition,mental toughness department.Watching the odd game I can’t but help thinking what a player like Fourie and Habana not to mention all the All Blacks would have done given the chance.
@Vleis: Howzit Vleis?I think therse
@AntonT: I agree that Dabo Swinney has created a great family and winning culture at Clemson, but my example re Jalen Hurts shows that Alabama might also have a great family culture. What I’m trying to say is that it is not as black and white as you make out, but rather, shades of grey.
For example, Deshaun Watson was the best player to pay for Clemson in the last 20 years (maybe Lawrence will be better) and he went into the NFL draft after the minimum of 3 years. Likewise, although Garsfontein recruit from far and wide, it seems to me (from the outside admittedly) that they have a very good family spirit.
I do agree that Oakdale and BL have something magical, because to do as well as they have done for so long with such small numbers is incredible.
However,…maybe I’m just biased, being a ‘Bama fan.
P.S. on a different note, I thnk that it would be great if more of our rugby coaches and players watched a lot more NFL, as there is a lot that we can learn from that game. The rugby players overseas watch a lot more NFL that the guys in SA.
@AntonT: met jou punt van orde gaan die werwingspunt gesprek redelik tot ruste kom. n Fabriekman verstaan nie lekker die wyse van denke van n familieman nie en n familieman ook nie die wyse van n fabriekman nie. Hang net af waar jy die gemaklikste voel. Ek dink net n fabriekman man harder praat as n familieman, want dit raas die meeste van die tyd in n fabriek.
@Vleis: Ek probeer nie se dat “familie” beter is as “Fabriek” nie. Dis net twee verskillende maniere van goed doen. Alabama is die afgelope 4 jaar deur 8 hulp afrigters. Meeste van hul spelers bly net vir drie jaar omdat hulle moet voor hulle in die draft gaan terwyl die graad kursese by hulle 4 jaar is.
Hulle gaan Alabama toe om professioneel te kan speel. Dis ‘n fabriek. Wat ok is…
Dis net jy moet besef wat jy is.
Oakdale en Boland is vir my meer “familie”
HJS en Garsfontein is meer “Fabriek”
Ek is persoonlik meer ‘n fabriek ou… Wat kan die skool, werk …kontakte vir my doen. Inplaas van wat ek vir hulle kan doen.
@AntonT: @Vleis: Sorry, the Clemson QB’s name was Bryant, not Barrett.
@AntonT: Clemson is pretty serious about their football too!!
Last year, Clemson had a star QB (Barrett), who was in his 3rd year, but also a fantastic new QB out of school (Lawrence). The coach (Swinney) played both of them for the first 4 matches. At the end of the 4th match he told Barrett that Lawrence would be his starter for the remainder of the season. Swinney received a lot of praise because if he had told Barrett after 5 games, he would not have been able to transfer to another University without sitting out the whole of the 2019 season – i.e. he looked after his player’s best interest. So, Barrett decided to transfer and thus not be able to play for Clemson for the remainder of 2018, but is eligible to play for Missouri (I think) in 2019.
Almost the same thing happened in ‘Bama, with the youngster Tagovailoa replacing Jalen Hurts; however, Hurts decided to stay at Alabama and the decision saved ‘Bama as Tagovailoa was having a shocker in the SEC Championship game v Georgia due to an injury, so Hurts replaced him in Q3 and won the game for ‘Bama.
So, maybe the family spirit at ‘Bama is not as poor as you think?
In Amerika was daar na die College Football finaal tussen Alabama en Clemson ‘n interesante gesprek. Dit het gegaan oor Alabama se football program wat soos ‘n fabriek is en Clemson sin wat meer soos ‘n familie is. As jy na die “fabriek” toe gaan het jy ‘n baie goeie kans om professioneel te speel, maar daar is nie iets soos lojaliteit nie. As hulle iemand beter van ‘n ander plek kan kry vat hulle hom. Clemson probeer meer sy eie spelers ontwikkel, maar lewer minder professionele spelers. Die afgelope 4 jaar het hulle albei 53 gewen gewen en 4 verloor, en altwee was 2 keer die algehele kampioene.
Nou is my vraag wat is beter? loyalitiet… professionalisme? En wat is jou skool?
Veral Boishaai pa is julle ‘n fabriek of ‘n familie?