SACS & Wynberg add to Boishaai’s list of strained relationships

Paarl Boys’ High are expected to try and patch up relations with offended schools SACS and Wynberg this week. Top sportsmen moving to Paarl from the Cape Town Southern Suburbs schools is believed to be at the heart of the unhappiness. 

This is now one of a number of known relationships that have gone through testing times for the Winelands school in recent months.

Framesby from Port Elizabeth is another high school disappointed that one of their star rugby players who they developed from Grade-8 and who represented Eastern Province as an under-17 at Craven Week in 2018, has moved to Boishaai and will start schooling there in 2019. Framesby tried very hard but to no avail to hold onto this bright prospect once they came to know about the Winelands’ schools interest in their student.

Jeppe Boys’ from Johannesburg was another unhappy school as a result of Boishaai. The latter acquired Jeppe’s under-17 Golden Lions Craven Week rugby player in 2018. 

A social media picture of a fairly well-known Boishaai official involved in recruitment posing with a newly acquired rugby player went viral in 2018 and registered quite high on the distasteful gauge amongst the Paul Roos Gymnasium community because their former student was still wearing his old Paul Roos uniform in that shot. 

Reasons for Carinat opting to move the World Schools Festival away from Boishaai were never made know but that relationship also appeared to be in need of repair work after the decision came to light.


Official statement from Paarl Boys High.
 
With regards to the entries on the Schoolboy rugby blog stating “both SACS and Wynberg have decided not to compete in any sporting events against Paarl Boys High in future due to poaching of players”.
 
Paarl Boys High would like to set the record straight. As we also often lose talent to neighbouring and competing schools, we do understand the emotion behind this. However, we prefer not to complain when this happens. 
 
As Paarl Boys’ High worked very hard over the years to establish high discipline, academic, sports and creative art standards we do understand if learners and their parents might consider us as an option (sometimes a delayed option) for their studies. 
 
We have already approached both the principals of Wynberg and SACS to clarify any misunderstandings or misperceptions. 
 
Just to confirm our position with regards to the World Schools Festival. As initiators of this successful rugby festival, we had the option to host again this year, but decided to rather let our initiative travel. 

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  1. A reliable source confirmed that SACS and Wynberg have severed all ties with Paarl Boys High.They will no longer compete against them in any sporting or other activities following the poaching of some of their players. I understand that the SACS boy was a previously disadvantaged kid on a full scholarship meaning that SACS had invested heavily in the kid. I also understand that Jeppe is very unhappy about PBH poaching their star lock who will be doing his matric in Paarl. Interesting developments and evidence of a ruthless approach to ensure continued success at 1st team level.

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  2. @Gimmie: That will be very interesting if Sacs and Wynberg decided to do that as they don’t suffer half as bad as Durbanville and Stellenberg or the schools in the Helderberg. How is the 9 and 14 from last year’s u/15 Durbanville team doing there in Gim, I hear there are also two Affies on their way to Gimmies so the u/16 team should look totally different this year? I just wonder is the new interschools with Affies just a ploy for you guys to poach their players? As for the Jeppe boy his father approached Boishaai parents at craven week and asked who he can talk to, to move his boy to Boishaai. His cousin’s are all Gimmies but he said his boy must go to a school that teaches in English was it not for that fact he would have been in Gimmies now, then what? Nobody from Boishaai approached the father he approached Boishaai, he also said he wants to send his boy to Maties and being in school in the Cape will be better for him. So slow down with the poaching story it is BS.

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  3. Waar n rokie is, is daar n vuurtjie. Eina die jaar begin op n hoë noot. Vanjaar gaan dit White Water Rafting op sy beste wees.

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  4. @2021: I don’t know of any kids from Wynberg or SACS that have moved to Boishaai for next year but it might be possible. As for the Jeppe boy, it definitely came from the dad and there are many witnesses. If SACS and Wynberg do stop competing with Boishaai it would be a shame but such is life.

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  5. @Stier: Wonder hoekom die 9 geskuif het, hy gaan beste B span speel. Outjie wat laas jaar geskuif het, het by Durbies bo hom gespeel.

    Behalwe one 2 manne watter Durbies manne het julle gekry? Neem aan die 12 van Durbies is Garsies toe.

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  6. @CharlesZA: Last year the 10 came to Boishaai and he played B team, I believe there are two more coming to Boishaai but one is going to concentrate on hockey. Yes I also have it that the 12 is going to Garsies.

    The nine that left the beginning of last year went to Gim and last years nine is going to Boishaai for hockey if I understand it correctly.

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  7. Ek vermoed stier se kungfu gaan getoets word die week deur n paar manne met streeptruie😂😂 gesegde is mos nie verniet what goes around comes around nie

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  8. @Stier: According to us there is just one boy moving from Affies to Paarl Gim. Move is due to parents that is moving to Western Cape…he is a wing and very good cricket player….pity that he is lost to Affies

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  9. @4×4: That is the point, parents move and their kids go with them. I heard there where two coming.
    @Smallies: They can try, no school in the WC are every year recruiting from up north. If they do I will not agree with such a policy no matter who the school.

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  10. Stier I merely reported what I heard yesterday from very reliable sources, no need to get aggressive. Let’s hope SACS and Wynberg will clarify the reasons for their decision.

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  11. @Gimmie: Aggressive, where did you get that from? I mearly pointed out that Durbanville and Stellenberg have much more to complain about as Gim, Boishaai and PRG will know. I guess your sources weren’t so accurate on the Jeppe boy? What ever their reasons, Wynberg and SACS can decide who they want to play, it will be a pity if Boishaai don’t play them but life goes on. Let’s wait and see what happens. You think this is your evidence of Boishaai’s ruthless approach to first team success?

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  12. @Stier: See you doing the hotplate jive… :wink: My advice is to stop defending.Most people won’t be interested in the facts susch as people move,the parents approach the school ext.Some schools (people)will look for easy way out(accusations),very hard to defend.

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  13. @Grizzly: Like in life everybody must except the consequences of their actions, no matter who they are. Let’s wait and see what the reasons are. Personally I am not aware of SACS or Wynberg boys that has played first team for Boishaai in the last four years, it’s possible that I am wrong but even if I am it won’t be many. Like I said, I don’t think they suffer anything close to Stellenberg and Durbanville here in the Cape. The Jeppe story is plain rubbish or the dad should go and play poker. I am sure @beet will get the facts and provide us with the details. Besides this is a good way to get everybody back to the blog really early in the season.

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  14. @Stier: En die SACS kind wat reeds op ‘n vol beurs was?

    En die Framesby 10 wat reeds OP CW gespeel het?

    Julle Weskaap bloggers is BAIE uitgesproke oor Garsies en Florida wat julle kinders “steel”, maar dit lyk vir my julle hande is maar net so vuil in die verband. En die besluit van Kloof en Affies om nie Garsies te speel nie het julle eindelose plesier en skietgoed verskaf.

    Ek dink die begrip is “schadenfreude” en dit het julle nou aan die gat kom byt.

    Sterkte!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  15. @boerboel: Hoekom? Obviously om die spelers beter geleenthede te gee, soos die NV skole ook maar doen.

    Om vir die SA Skole coach te sp… o ja, sorrie.

    Om vir die Nr 1 skolespa… o ja, sorrie.

    😁👍

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  16. Happy New Year to all our bloggers!

    My 5 cents worth! People in glass houses should not throw stones. Vir Gimmie, wat die gesprek begin het! Wat is Jean Stemmet se rol en pligte by Gim? Die feite is so duidelik soos daglig. Alle skole, vir wie rugby n groot deel is van hul opvoeding, en wat graag daarin wil presteer (heel moontlik vir bemarkings doeleindes), doen werwing.

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  17. @boerboel: Joh, jy kan maar nou ophou om die nuwe jaar te vier met daai papsak marathon – pui is hartseer.

    😁

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  18. @Kattes-Strofes: Wel, Beet het eintlik die gesprek begin.

    Al julle spanne het name, word die 1ste span nou die “Mercenaries” genoem?😁

    En ‘n geseende 2019 vir jou ook.

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  19. @odie15: Well, only if you believe recruitment is done in October and November.

    I then also have a beautiful bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

    😁

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  20. Out of personel experience, I may add that SACS,and especially Wynberg, are also involved with aggresive recruiting. The latter has signed a good number of talented young sportsmen from the Brackenfell/ Kraaifontein schools, with bursaries.

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  21. @beet: What I read:

    We read the blog.

    Our boys also get poached, but we do not throw stones in our glass house.

    We are awesome and so much better than SACS and Wynberg and Framesby that some boys join us in Gr 11 and 12 without ANY enticement.

    We are trying to convince SACS and Wynberg of above “fact”.

    WSF sucks!

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  22. @Kattes-Strofes: Happy new year.

    @Rainier: Not that it matters but if I am not mistaken @Gimmie broke the story and beet added a new topic.

    Also please check your facts, I have been calling for a long time that schools(even) the English schools in Gauteng should play each other. I do understand why some didn’t want to.

    As for this sudden rush of grade 12’s to Boishaai I will wait to hear more, but it does seem strange. The last five years I am only aware of one boy that came to Boishaai in his matric year and who played first team. Maybe some of the other Boishaai bloggers will be able to give more examples but I don’t think there will be many.

    Whatever the story Boishaai will have to deal with the consequences and if this is a new policy they will have to decide whether it’s worth it.

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  23. Ek wonder as die boodskapper nie n Gim trui aangehad het nie of die opgewondenheid nog so groot sou gewees het. Dit is hoekom die Paarlse Interskole so groot is. Die 2 skole gun mekaar nie n spasie op die veld nie en van die veld ook nie spasie op swart en wit nie.
    Tussen die 2 skole is die skool van die Suide die mees aktiefste t.o.v. Bemarking vir rugby spelers spesifiek verwysend na ouer ouderdomsgroepe. Niemand sal weet is dit die ouer wat sy kind skuif of is dit bemarking. Ons by skole wat ervaring het van wat die aanbiedings is, ons weet onder mekaar wie en wat is die waarheid.
    Die situasie gaan nog n klompie jare met ons wees, want die rugsteun deur die Old Boys is fenominaal.
    Soos met enige aksie volg n reaksie. Dit is net met die reaksies soos deur SACS en Wynberg (Hierdie skole het sterk standpunt ingeneem) wat die dinamika kan verander. As ek reg verstaan is daar nog skole wat oor die volgende aantal jare die selfde reaksie mag toon. Tyd sal leer.

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  24. @Rainier: correct but Sean announced his departure before season started…. so recruiter saying we have WP or SAS coach is irrelevant.

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  25. @2021: So wat sê Oakdale en Outeniqua van die situasie in die SWD. Die SWD liga bestaan nie meer nie. Al die beste kinders van die provinsie sit in die 2 skole. Niemand gee ‘n hel om vir die verval van rugby in al SWD se dorpe nie en baie het lankal ophou speel teen die 2 grotes .(al hul kinders is daar).
    Hierdie is niks anders nie.

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  26. @Stier: there will be 3 boys in the boishaai squad that joined late in 2018 or now. The SACs & Wynberg boys are grade 9 in 2019.

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  27. @odie15: Yes I just heard that the one boy played for Boishaai u/14 two years ago and then he moved, he now wants to come back. The other boys parents are moving to Paarl and his sister is also going to the other Girl school in Paarl. It looks like a big nothing burger.

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  28. The Framesby boy had a family tragedy and he is moving closer to his guardian. Like I said it looks like a big nothing burger.

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  29. Oor die standpunt reageer ook net op wat Beet op hierdie blog plaas. Die reg en verkeerd van bemarking wanneer en waar is besig om homself uit te speel. Ons deel net in die verloop daarvan.
    Oor SWD skole rugby: Dit is n feit dat hy gegaan het. die vraag is, of skole rugby nie dalk sy trefkrag in die algemeen verloor het nie. Hoeveel skole – ingesluit die grotes, kan nog meer as 2 of 3 spanne per ouderdoms groep op n Saterdag in die veld stoot.
    Trots om te se dat Oakdale 8 o/19, 5 o/16, 6 o/15 en 5 o/14 spanne met net 430 seuns in die veld kon stoot gedurende 2018, indien n skool dit gevra het. Let wel NB…..99% van die seuns wat Gr.8 begin eindig Gr.12. Net as n seun Oakdale verlaat kan daar een in sy plek kom. Geen werwing word na Gr.8 gedoen nie, want daar is eenvoudig nie plek nie. Behalwe bogenoemde rede. Ons by Oakdale geen baie om vir ons rugby en dus vanself sprekend vir SWD rugby.
    Ons glo dat ons vanjaar by Grant Khomo baie goeie kompetsie sal wees.

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  30. @Rainier: Ja toe nou, daar is darem nog ‘n bietjie inbors innie Kaap, die manne gooi darem nie ‘n cocktail party in Malmesbury Spur vir werwers, gewerdes, familie en wie ook al nog baatvind voor die migrasie na Tswane nie 😂😂😂

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  31. @odie15: Taken? Sure you mean allowed to leave! No half decent player at HJS will be “taken” 😂😂😂

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  32. So 3 oop en ten minste 2 /16 seuns.

    Shame, wat van die arme spelers wat al van gr 8 af in die skool is en nou vervang word – hoekom is hulle nie net ontwikkel deur coaching nie?

    En die toeval dat al die kinders net per ongeluk goeie rugby spelers is en nou by skool aanklop – HJS moet die gelukkigste skool in die wereld wees..

    Gim staan die jaar nie ‘n kans teen sulke geluk nie.

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  33. Ag dis lekker om te lees niks het verander in die nuwe jaar nie. Selfs die Garsies manne is redelik still op die topic. :wink:
    Het gehoor Monnas is baie gelukkiger met al die manne wat uit die ooste getrek het na die weste.

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  34. A slight variation of this topic. I am looking forward to see how schools (especially the so called rugby schools), are going to manage the fact that they will no longer be able to use the carrot of drawing players by saying that if they make the 1st team cut, they will almost certainly be in line for Cravenweek selection, and therefore a provincial contract after school.

    However! Having said that, I am sure that the Big Dogs will still be able to draw the cream, due to their traditions and outstanding records.

    My contacts around the country have told me that in the light of the fact that there will no longer be a u/19 competition, the number of school leavers that will be contracted by the unions, will drastically be reduced to only, a selected few. Cravenweek,s partisipation will therefore, unlike in the past, present no guarantee of gaining a contract.

    NS. Wil darem ook net meld, dat ten spyte van sommige negatiewe kommentaar oor die Boishaai werwings aangeleentheid, verdien die skool se werwer, Die Witwolf (so gedoop deur van ons bloggers), geweldige krediet vir sy uitmuntende werk! Ander skole kan maar gerus gaan kers opsteek by hom, oor hoe dinge gedoen moet word. Hy stel die dwarslat geweldig hoog !

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  35. @2021: Sal nooit oor ‘n wen lag nie, daai wiel draai te vinnig. Dit was mooi en goed, maar dis ‘n nuwe jaar met nuwe uitdagings

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  36. @Kattes-Strofes: You bring up two interesting point:
    1. about schools using guaranteed Craven Week selections as a marketing tool when recruiting – this obviously points to a corrupt relationship allowing them to make such offers.
    2. how the journey to the top will change now that u19 CC rugby is no more. From what was a well-structured path, it’s become a bit of an unknown as to how unions will groom players especially during their 1st year out of school. The bigger and stronger kids will force their way into reckoning for u21 selection but this will possibly only count for a minority. I imagine we will see a pattern similar to Baby Bok u20 selection emerge where there are plenty of questions surrounding how decisions were made to ensure the inform players or those capable of getting the job done were selected.

    However with regards to Craven Week itself, over the past few years by the time it kicked off most big unions had secured the >95% of the boys they wanted to contract for u19 the next season. Craven Week was being used more as a means of IDing and signing an individual achiever here and there who had been overlooked before and it definitely was not where most players were being scouted and signed up on contracts.

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  37. @CharlesZA: Dis nou al daai “delayed options” waarvan HJS se verklaring praat. Dis ‘n awesome terminologie – dis nie meer “recruitment” na Gr 8 nie, maar “delayed option” study choices.

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  38. Yaaaaaaawn…

    Really? He mind still boggles on how schools can claim kids to be their property… If a kid or his parents wants to move to a better opportunity, why the hell not?

    This topic is really boring… We all know that boishaai does it… so do ALL the top schools as I have said for many years… the delayed option…

    Nough said… lets move on…

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  39. @beet: Beet ! My info is that the vast majority of talented rugby matrics will now have to make a name for themselves through the Varsity Cup competition. The majority of the big unions have a good relationship with their local varsities, and this will most probably be a combined bursary initiative between the unions and the varsities.(Some unions already have that in place).

    This is all good and well. However! I do foresee problems for talented youngsters, who are unable to study. They will need to join open clubs, which do not at all receive the same exposure as the Varsity Cup.

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  40. @Kattes-Strofes: You are 100% correct… the open clubs will come into play again… I am worried about this though… not sure where this will steer our rugby in future

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  41. @Kattes-Strofes: Yeah Kattes. Varsity Cup spells problems for the Sharks, who don’t have the benefit of a competing top level Varsity Cup team.

    With unions like the Sharks, Bulls, Lions, Leopards and Free State being within a reasonable distance of each other, they should really aim for a lower level sponsored competition to replace the u19 CC.

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  42. @beet: I hear you, Beet. However! It is very doubtfull whether SA Rugby, and the mentioned unions, will put the money on the table for such a competition. I am convinced that the only reason that the U/19 CC competition was cancelled, was for financial reasons.

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  43. @Kattes-Strofes: Yeah the financial reasons were even mentioned on the blog in a post but SARU’s decision was made so late that the unions had already contracted most u19s for the next year (2019). They may not have a formal competition but it would not hurt their cause to arrange something informal such as a festival type event where all the teams play at one venue on one day, have a couple of days rest and then play a second set of matches. Gauteng would be a good venue because of the close proximity of Jozi and Pretoria

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  44. I think the whole system needs looking at. Super rugby is not a good competition for us and I believe we will be much better off in Europe. The Heineken cup is much less games per team than is the case with Super rugby and that allows most clubs to play their top players in both Heineken and their local leagues. The CC use to be very popular and profitable comp for SA when the top players use to play in it. At the moment the South African supporters are paying the majority of the broadcasting rights in Super rugby which won’t be the case in Europe. It will mean that our unions in effect will get more of our own money than is the case at the moment in Super rugby. After Franch, South Africa has the most rugby followers but our unions must share the income from broadcasting rights equally with teams from NZ, Oz, Japan and Argentina. Considering that government wants to force Super Sport to make rugby available to the national broadcaster it might cost the unions and SA rugby even more money. Let’s not even talk about the jet lag and the fact that hundreds of South Africans are already playing in Europe in the different leagues. The crucial element is going to be whether we can get our club rugby back to a decent level with decent structures. In the old days, players played at clubs without compensation and it is still the case in NZ. In fact in NZ players only get full-time professionals contracts if they play super rugby their “NPC” or what ever they call it at the moment are semi professional and players only get five to six months contracts. There are thousands of club players in South Africa at the moment we just need to find a way to make the clubs absorb the talent like they did in the old days. Obviously the universities will play an even bigger role in future to absorb the talent. However if you look at how many players anyway leave the game within a couple of years after leaving school I don’t think the effect will be that huge on our overall senior player pool if the unions contract less junior players.

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  45. Blykbaar mis sommiges die feit dat the sogenaamde SACS seun eintlik in Boishaaier was van Gr 8 af…Hy is met n volle studiebeurs SACS to gelok..geen haan het toe gekraai nie..Nou dat hy na n jaar ongelukkig is met die atletiek afrigting daar en wil teruggaan is die hel skielik los!.. Dubbele standaarde gewis!

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  46. @BoishaaiPa: Ag man… dis ‘n storm in a teacup… soos ek vroeër gesê het GEEN skool besit ‘n leerling nie… As ‘n kind of sy/haar ouers besluit om te skuif wie is enige iemand om iets daaroor te wil sê? Die hele ding word uit verband uit geruk… die wat praat van sogenaamde kinderhandel moet ook maar voor hul eie deure vee want diesulkes dink hulle het eiendomsreg op kinders…

    Eks al so gatvol vir die storie en die ou bandwagon… ek sien saschoolsports het ook nou eiers te lê daaroor… for crying in a bucket hoekom is dit so erg as ‘n kind skuif? Niemand huil as iemand van werk verwissel nie… dis tog as ek dit so kan stel “willing buyer, willing seller…” Geen kind word gedwing om te skuif nie… :wink:

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  47. @Rugbyman: Ek ontstel my al lankal nie meer oor die tipe beriggewing nie..Die ouens wat die hardste skree het gewoonlik die meeste om weg te steek. Daar is altyd n rede hoekom seuns wil beweeg..hetsy na n skool toe of weg van n skool. Dit is nie noodwendig altyd die skool wat seuns nader nie..moet hulle nou toegang weier in geval hulle dalk iemand offend?..Cry me a river!

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  48. Aan almal n mooi jaar. Is dit nie asb tyd dat die onderwerp van werwing en skuif tussen skole agter die rug geplaas word nie. Mag ouers en seuns nie self besluit waar hul wil skoolgaan nie? Wie gee enigiemand die reg om daaroor op of aanmerkings te maak. Indien die onderwerp ook 2019 holrug gery gaan word sal ek nie weer die blog lees nie. Laaste opmerking: moontlik sal daar in die volgende 5 jaar net 20 professionele skole landswyd wees waar n kind wat rugby wil speel heen sal gaan.

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  49. @Rugbyman: Kinders skuif en dit is ‘n feit en jy is reg geen skool besit ‘n kind nie. Dit bly egter ‘n skool en skole sport en daarom het ek (persoonlik) wel ‘n probleem met praktyke waar kinders ge “head hunt” word met ‘n beter “aanbod” en dit dan valslik in te kleur asof die kind ongelukkig was. Dan skep die skole en hulle “agente” ‘n mark van “willing buyer, willing seller” op SKOLE vlak.

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  50. @BoishaaiPa: Is jy gemaklik met praktyke waar seuns van ander skole wat reeds op beurse is (van graad 8) genader word met ‘n beter aanbieding om te skuif vir rugby? (Se nie dit het hier gebeur nie … ken nie al die feite nie)

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  51. @AbsolutMenlo: Ek het n probleem as skole kinders nader hetsy die kind op n beurs was of nie. Ek het dit al verskeie kere ook so gestel en dat ek nie saamstem met die praktyk nie. Indien n ouer en sy kind wil skuif na n skool sien ek geen probleem indien die ontvangende skool dit aanvaar nie..die redes daarvoor kan legio wees en mens kan bespiegel soos jy wil, tensy jy die feite op wit en swart het, moet jy die ouers se redes aanvaar. Wat my egter dwars in die krop steek is wanneer n skool soos SACS n kind met n beurs weglok en dan is alles hunky dory want hy kry mos nou kwansuis beter geleenthede en verniet skoling!!..maar wanneer daardie kind dan wil terukeer omdat alles nie so groen was anderkant die draad nie word n moerse kabaal daaroor opskop..So kan jy ieder en elke geval gaan ondersoek en jouself van die feite vergewis…Mens kan sien wie hou daarvan om top skole se reputasies te probeer ondermyn.

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  52. @BoishaaiPa: This was a deliberate swipe at Boishaai by @Gimmie:. Since his early comments he has disappeared? I guess he realized that just last year Gim received a Boishaai athletics coach and their best u/16 sprinter, nevermind all the other boys that “toevallig” ends up in Gim. He used this rubbish as prove of Boishaai’s “ruthless approach to ensure continued success at 1 st team level”. Luckily for him Boishaai is not in the business of exposing rubbish claims against Gim.

    Johnny does awesome work to make sure there is a strong group in grade eight every year. His greatest skill is his ability to get good grade eights and looking at how strong Boishaai are right through to F teams he is doing exceptionally well.

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  53. @BoishaaiPa: Ondermyn is ‘n sterk woord – dis net pret dat die fladder in die hoenderhok die keer skole insluit wie se bloggers al jare lank vir ons vertel hoe skole rugby in die Weskaap so rein is soos die gedrewe sneeu en amper al die Garsies bloggers van die blog af verwilder het.

    :wink: :wink:

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  54. @AbsolutMenlo: Nee wat… daar is al legio van ons seuns genader deur verskeie instansies regoor die land… party het geskuif en ander nie… In my opinie as ‘n kind wil skuif sal ek hom help pak… ek soek manne wat by ons WIL wees… die res kan gaan… Theres nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer…

    So laat die seuns gaan waar hulle wil wees, beurs of nie beurs nie, genader of nie genader nie… meeste instansies nader in elk geval kinders op maniere wat onsigbaar is via ander seuns en ouers… dit plant die saadjies… feit is ‘n kind en sy ouers sal nie skuif as hulle gelukkig is nie en dis wat ek bedoel met willing seller… daar baie willing buyers daarbuite… maar ek sal nooit in ‘n kind se pad staan wat wil weggaan nie… dit bly ‘n vry land met vrye keuses… al wat jy dan moet onthou is dat jy op die bed moet slaap wat jy opgemaak het…

    @BoishaaiPa: Terloops… ons almal weet mos gim doen dit ook! Dis geen geheim dat gim hulself toespits op werwing na graad 9 nie… en so be it… ALMAL doen dit, Johnny is ‘n meester daarvan en daars nog so paar ander meesters ook in ander instansies…

    Get used to it… kinders sal skuif as hulle beter geleenthede elders kan kry… dit is wat dit is…

    8))

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  55. @AbsolutMenlo: Dag ou grote.Ek sal as ek n hoof was en n limited budget gehad het vir rugbybeurse glad nie gr8 werf Nie.Te risky, plain en simple.Tot vervelens toe al bespeeek op die blog dat jy n baie beter idee het teen gr10 wie dit gaan maak.Met daai ods en informasie en Na die siftingsproses gaan ek my bietjie geld wat ek het nou aanwend.Sien daars n Menlo man in Bulls direksie,wat kan ons verwag?Weet van hom maar ken hom nie.

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  56. I see this story is now all over the news on many platform’s. Poor SACS and Wynberg must now think what the hell just happened? I think once people learn that it was a Gimmie that leaked the story it’s going to make for a interesting interschools.

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  57. @Stier: Talk about a storm in a teacup-this is ridicilous.

    Will probably hear the same from Oakdale tom 8-O

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  58. In other news which effects schools rugby to, Siya Kolisi the Springbok captain has said that he doesn’t believe Mr. Mandela would have supported the qouta system in sport. He said that transformation should start at grass roots level and he doesn’t believe qoutas are the right way to transform our rugby, somebody on this blog once tryed to make the same point. I don’t think they will call Siya a racist but he is already under fire.

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  59. @Grizzly: … sien sy skool 5 op die results rankings.
    Tel op jou foon as ek bel of het jou nommer weer verander?

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  60. @boerboel: It’s so stupid, a big nothing burger, I don’t know what Gimmie thought he is going to achieve. If it was such a big deal for SACS and Wynberg they would have made a statement. I think they have enough class to first speak to Boishaai before making it public, unfortunitly they didn’t bargain on the Gimmie factor. :oops: :lol:

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  61. @AbsolutMenlo: Ek sal jou bel.Wow,so hys hoof by DF Malan.Baie geluk!Menlo se uitslae danksy hom toe hy onderhoof was,of implimenteer hy wat hy by Menlo geleer het by DF? :lol: Hys seker chaff on Menlo pak te gee :lol: Hulle rugby ook nie sleg nie….

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  62. In the official HJS statement, how is the record being set straight? Am I missing something?
    All I can glean from the HJS statement is; “we prefer not to complain when this happens to us”. How is this setting the record straight? In my view, HJS openly acknowledge and sanction the heinous act of buying and selling school boy rugby players. Are HJS trying to say, because we don’t complain others shouldn’t? Is this the remedy?

    I’m continually perplexed by the facile attitude towards recruitment. There are no rules nor regulations. We only hear news about recruitment when a school or a player feel maligned and they decide to air their dirty laundry in public. Many of the schools who are outraged when they lose a player are the very same schools who sanction the surreptitious recruitment.
    The general tone of the outrage is not to stop the practice but to prevent becoming a victim. You don’t hear HJS, Jeppe, Framesby, etc calling for an end to the practice or a means of regulating the practice. All you hear is how hurt they are to lose their hired talent.

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  63. @Tang: so if a kid enters a school in grade 8 that school owns him? Almost like jail time… its a free country in my opinion with freedom of choice… if my children want to move school for whatever reason and I feel that their reasons are valid I will move them and no headmaster will stand in my way… why is it such a big issue? Why can boys not move? I think its more about the school’s ego for “losing a child” than anything else… Funny that no one complains if an average kid moves school, only when a high flyer moves and whether he was approached or not is irrelevant… fact is that there is a push and a pull… there is a push away from the child’s current school and then a pull to another opportunity… if a kid is happy and satisfied at school A why will he move to school B? And if the opportunity at school is better than school A why not?

    I still dont get how schools want to play god on the children in their schools and want to claim sole ownership…

    I think I have said enough on this subject now and will peacefully retire on it as my thoughts and point of view are quite clear on it…

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  64. @Stier:

    Voorspoedige 2019 vir jul almal.

    Goed om te sien dat spelers by HJS hokkie vat bo rugby.

    Hoe het Boerboel dit toeglaat?

    8-O

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  65. @Rugbyman – Any child should be free to move school as needed. Relocation, not fitting in, etc. There is, however, a big difference when the child is being recruited. Children and their talents should not be for sale unless their is a well regulated and controlled system.

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  66. @Rugbyman: I confess to still being on the fence about all this. On the one hand you make very valid points and it is quite amusing to see the shoe on the other foot with these Cape schools, especially after SACS made such a meal of a learner moving to KES in circa 2014/15. On the other hand, KES has also been the subject of nefarious press articles on this matter – devoid of all fact – so I do, to some extent, sympathize with Paarl Boys High. However – where a school has invested heavily into a player (bursaries, scholarships etc) there has to be some financial compensation – a transfer fee of sorts. This also has to be managed effectively by the requisite rugby authorities (a big ask I know). Parents are less likely to shop their kids around if they know it will cost them personally, likewise, receiving schools will think twice about incurring such a cost. Make it transparent – open a transfer window in December and July every year and let loose the dogs! Schools that don’t want to play the game will very quickly find themselves relegated to the to 2nd division (not necessarily a bad thing) and the premiership of schoolboy rugby can buy / sell and trade to their hearts content and, like football, cash is king – with a Leicester City emerging once every twenty years (think KES 2017) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    @Tang: the horse has long since bolted on this Tang – no going back now.

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  67. @Grizzly: is the learner then a “free agent” or is he “contracted” – I would say if he is on scholarship etc – he is contracted and the contracting school deserve a fee in compensation – “transfer fee” paid either by the receiving school or parents. Stop buggering about and professionalize it. Schools that don’t want to be a part of it can opt out very easily……

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  68. @Roger: @Skopgraaf243: I was a bussury parent myself.Contracts is there to protect the parents.Schools will hardly force it on learners because of negative media ext.The day I’m leaving there’s no more financial burden on current school and it’s transferred to the next.I wasn’t satisfied with current school for whatever reason.The knife cuts both ways and if I don’t meet the criteria set by current school they’ll cansel my contract.What about my requirements?What if the school doesn’t meet them for whatever reason.Am I forced to stay put then?

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  69. @Roger: as a father of a son who was a bursary student my point of view was that you stay loyal to the school who was willing to invest in your child, even if he does not crack the nod…loyalty is a big thing for me and if you comitted to a school with a bursary offer, hounor that.

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  70. @Roger: the greatest players tend to be the ones who are loyal to their clubs or provinces… Matfield, Burger, Smith, Mcaw and so forth, loyalty is a trademark that very few people has these days

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  71. @Grizzly: true – it cuts both ways but the contracting party (school) will want to protect their investment (pupil) and ensure they get a return from it (craven week, sa schools, exposure)- hence the long term nature of the contract (in most case- five years for a grade 8 pupil). The contracting party deserve compensation if the contract is terminated (both ways)

    I’m sure the day is not far off – maybe has arrived already – where famous old boys instruct their alma mater that the use of their image etc by the school will not be allowed without due recompense? Nasty – isn’t it!!

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  72. @Roger: habanna only ever played for 4 clubs vermeulen also and that is not a lot in pro rugby, you get some players who would move every two years,those guys never grow into great players

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  73. @Grizzly: nee gladnie. The inside track as to why he left he never solved the problem but left it behind, so easy going for him. Suppose not his problem to sort but bad example none the less.
    Its all about oppertunities and what you make of it.
    My personal take on this wishy washy of commodities, like the bull-run on stock exchange, these walking wallets certainly HAS to be in sink with common goals of schools, as we all know been around the block of witnessing selling of souls, however this is different walking away from what should have been for greater good of a school, got binned and another blind eye to the problem at hand. :-P

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  74. @Stier: I agree 100% Johnny does a great job. The boys I know that came from other schools, (my son included) went to PBH was because they wanted to. I’m sure if most boys had the opertunity to go to a school whose rugby is top they would. its all my son ever wanted since playing against PBH at U14, U15, and U16 level. how many times have SACS or WBH ever beaten PBH 1stXV in the last few years? I’m sure if i was at SACS I would also want to go to PBH, nobody likes loosing.

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  75. @Smallies: Jy en odie15 moet bietjie Sabela. Ek sal so nou en dan verstaan wat julle sê :mrgreen: Sarel terug in SA. Weet nou wie jy is. Lekker bly

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  76. Alles is onder beheer in Auretstraat. Kan almal net vir my rustig raak.

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  77. Sien Greame Smith het sy laaitie vanoggend vir sy eerste skooldag by SACS ingeskrywe. Hoop nie Boishaai stuur vir Oom J om hom te gaan pouch nie. :roll:

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  78. @Murrayfield: jy moet versigtig wees wat jy sy vroeg in die oggend tik, as ek nie van beter geweet het nie klink dit of jy jammer is jy is weg. :wink:

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  79. @Murrayfield: Hulle net sad om jou te verloor.Op n ernstige noot dink ek wel dit kan n grote Vir Menlo wees.Hulle kom as n span lank saam en sal as close vriende vir mekaar speel.Goeie uitslae as onder ouderdomme.Garsies en in n mindere mate Kloof nuwe gesigte en sal moet sien of hulle as n span gaan gel,die game word op gras en nie papier gespeel.@pietretief: Affies Soos altyd n mistery,maar jy Klink vol selfvertroue as ek jou posts reg intrepeteer :lol:

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  80. @Grizzly: goeie more,plaas bietjie verweg van affies af. nie idee wat by affies gebeur nie, weet nie na watter post jy verwys nie.Hoop maar die stad se rugby is iets om te sien die jaar. As ek so lees het almal “dream teams”, en niemand gaan verloor nie.

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  81. @pietretief: :lol: :wink: Ek dink die Jaar gaan dit in Noordvaal baie close wees.HTS en EG is terug, Transvalia net hul klomp gr11’s van laasjaar kan nog beter as laasjaar wees.Monnas is Monnas,die 3 PTA spanne naby mekaar…Weet net nie van Noordheuwel.

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  82. @PaarlBok: It would be nice but I am not to sure. We will have to wait and see how they will play under their new coach, Sean was amazing and it won’t be easy to replicate his success. I think PRG and Grey are going to be the two teams to beat this year.

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  83. @Stier: Sean het net die 1ste span gecoach. Solank Elmo rugby dryf sal julle strukture altyd sterk bly, maak nie saak wie watter span afrig nie.

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  84. @boerboel: Elmo is nou rugbyhoof by Klein Boishaai. Dryf nie meer rugby by HJS nie en het ook nie terwyl Sean daar was nie.

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  85. SACS en Wynberg se eeue ou tradisie is kortgeknip. Dit gebeur as manne wat in beheer is nie die kundigheid het om n situasie te ontlont nie. Ons gaan seker nou teen Brackenfell, Stellenberg, Durbanville of so iets speel. Lekker man lekker. Hulle lag vir ons. Almal lag vir ons.

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  86. @Charles ZA: Hoor vandag dat julle 0/16 (2019) en Durbanville se hakers uit vrye wil Boishaai toe vertrek het.

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  87. @2021: Die Sacs speler het ook uit vrye wil TERUGgekom. Sal sien of die storie ook nou weer die voorblaaie van die Son gaan haal.

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  88. Klas bly klas, seker instansies besl uit om n paar dinge te doen ( lank gelede) en dit maak hul in n paar areas leiers, ek bly in gauteng, so as onpartydige persoon ( bekend met paarl boishaai ) rugby as spansport kan die individu nie optimaal ontwikkwl word inde die span rondom hom nie genoegsame talent in hul posisies het nie , talent trek talent in rugby, veral op hoërskole vkak , skole met boishaai se rugby geskiedenis en talent sal nie veel hoef te doen om nuwe opkomende sterre te lok nie. MY OPINIE.

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  89. @Andre T’tjie: Die son is te lig om die diepliggende redes vier die seuns se skywe te kan ontleed. Julle het nou te veel hakers vir al julle 0/16 spanne. Sal sien hoe goed is julle afrigters om nou 2’s ,9’s, 12’s en 14’s te maak.

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  90. @2021: Boishaai is bekend vir sy diepte, ten minste 75% van sy wedstryde teen oa Grey en Paul Roos gewen in 2018.

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  91. @2021: Ja jong, met reeds diepte wonder ek waar die manne gaan plek kry. Kry my nommer of email by Beet dan sal ek jou nog meer vertel.

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  92. @CharlesZA: Met die feit dat HJS klaarblyklik nie teen Wynberg speel die jaar kan daar nie iets met Stellenberg gereel word nie?

    het julle al teen ons gespeel?

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  93. @CharlesZA: jip-hy het baie daar gestaan.

    wonder wat het van hom geword-weet hy was Lions toe.

    hjs en Stellenberg moet iets reel vir die jaar-sommer midweek

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  94. @boerboel: Weet sy boetie het agter hom aangetrek Joburg toe. Seker Kattes sal vir ons kan se wat van die man geword het.

    Ten minste is dit n kort trip huistoe vir meeste van julle spelers as julle teen ons kom speel.

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  95. @CharlesZA: Die probleem gaan julle spelers wees wat die “delayed option” kies en dan die kort trip Paarl toe op ‘n permanente basis aanpak.

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  96. @boerboel: Daar is so bulletjie van Richmond af soentoe. Ons jag alke jaar op hulle plaas in die Karoo. Sy van is Visser. Toevallig ‘n Blou Bul. Ek het hard probeer om hom te oortuig om Affies toe te kom maar hy het op die ou einde besluit op HJS. Hou hom dop en kyk mooi na hom. Goeie seun.

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  97. @boerboel: Ek verstaan dat Khanya nie meer n kontrak by die Leeus het nie. Volgens gerugte, is wel egter nog by UJ. Ek kan dit egter nie bevestig nie.

    Terloops ! Nog vier Boishaaiers van verlede jaar se span, is nou by die Leeus. Benewens die SA Skole kaptein, Adriaan Alberts, is die stut Roubert (Coenie) Bester, die skrummie JG de Bruin en die senter Noegh Hayward, nou Leeu welpies.

    Smaak my die Leeus word n Boishaai old boys klub :wink:

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