Glenwood and Garsfontein have both had to deal with off the field pre-season dramas involving schools from their respective regions this year. With those matters now put to bed all the attention will be placed firmly back where it belongs: on the field of play. The two schools will meet in the main game on Thursday, 21 March 2013 being Day-1 of this year’s NWU-Pukke Skouspel being held in Potchefstroom.
Match day-1 fixtures:
| TIME | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 12h50 | Potch Gim | 15 | 35 | Louis Botha |
| 14h15 | Klerksdorp | 19 | 24 | Potch Volkskool |
| 15h40 | HTS Drostdy | 22 | 27 | Transvalia |
| 17h05 | Rustenburg | 14 | 27 | Framesby |
| 18h30 | Noord-Kaap | 38 | 15 | Florida |
| 19h55 | Garsfontein | 48 | 26 | Glenwood |
Both schools come off away defeats against difficult opponents and will be keen to make amends. Glenwood conceded a late try and lost by a single point at Kearsney (25-26). Garsfontein had to travel all the way to Nelspruit as part of the NuPower-Tuks Super 16 competition where they went down 22-27. The teams are not called the Green Machine and the “Bere” for nothing though. They will bounce back! Expect them to deliver high quality performances and to bring out the best in each other.
Glenwood are sweating over minor injuries to players while Garsies are set to still be without star players Marquit September (centre) and George-Lee Erasmus (scrumhalf).
Glenwood and Garsfontein Squads:
| # | Surname | First Name | DoB | W | H | Yrs* | Highest Rugby Achievement |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tredoux | Koos | 23/02/1996 | 110 | 1.80 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 2 | Van Vuuren | Kerron | 23/05/1995 | 98 | 1.85 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 3 | Potgieter | Josef | 08/10/1994 | 121 | 1.92 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 4 | vd Heever | Seth | 09/03/1995 | 89 | 1.85 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 |
| 5 | Harmsworth | Matthew | 07/11/1994 | 102 | 1.97 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 6 | Kay | Rupert | 03/01/1995 | 96 | 1.85 | 2 | KZN Academy Week u18 |
| 7 | Mazibuko | Mzwandile | 06/03/1995 | 89 | 1.84 | 2 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 8 | Coetzee | Jaco | 10/06/1996 | 95 | 1.87 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 9 | Gerhard | Kyle | 15/04/1995 | 69 | 1.67 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 10 | Dumas | Jaques | 21/02/1995 | 72 | 1.79 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 11 | Ngcobo | Sphamandla | 28/07/1995 | 70 | 1.56 | 2 | KZN Academy Week u18 |
| 12 | Nela | Akhona | 03/04/1995 | 88 | 1.79 | 2 | KZN Academy Week u18 |
| 13 | Mcuma | Nkululeko | 16/01/1995 | 78 | 1.76 | 2 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 14 | Vermaak | Corne | 18/02/1995 | 87 | 1.81 | 2 | KZN Craven Week u18 |
| 15 | Joubert | Morné | 19/01/1996 | 76 | 1.79 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 & SA u16 Squad |
| 16 | Mngadi | Percy | 19/01/1996 | 92 | 1.71 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 & SA u16 Squad |
| 17 | Van Niekerk | Kenny | 29/01/1996 | 104 | 1.83 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 18 | Vidima | Ntokozo | 13/05/1995 | 93 | 1.89 | 1 | KZN Development u18 |
| 19 | Du Randt | Kevin | 15/02/1996 | 90 | 1.89 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 |
| 20 | Jonas | Curtis | 27/08/1996 | 67 | 1.67 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 |
| 21 | Fouché | Ruben | 06/03/1996 | 82 | 1.83 | 1 | KZN Grant Khomo u16 |
| 22 | Stopforth | Derwent | 29/05/1995 | 80 | 1.78 | 2 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 23 | Van Tonder | Dewaldt | 20/05/1995 | 95 | 1.76 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 24 | Teichmann | Michael | 09/05/1995 | 96 | 1.98 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| 25 | Khanyile | Kwazikwenkosi | 22/12/1996 | 70 | 1.64 | 1 | Glenwood 1XV |
| # | Surname | First Name | DoB | W | H | Yrs* | Highest Rugby Achievement |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Diedericks | Roelof | 20/04/1995 | 104 | 1.80 | 2 | |
| 2 | De Jongh | Heinrich | 19/12/1995 | 101 | 1.75 | 2 | |
| 3 | Frost | James | 18/02/1995 | 115 | 1.81 | 2 | |
| 4 | Theron | Winsin | 20/03/1994 | 95 | 1.92 | 2 | |
| 5 | Andrews | Hyron | 12/07/1995 | 101 | 2.03 | 2 | Craven week Blou Bulle 2012 |
| 6 | Labuschagne | Christopher | 12/04/1995 | 96 | 1.82 | 2 | |
| 7 | Van Rensburg | Arne | 31/03/1995 | 90 | 1.87 | 2 | |
| 8 | Ackermann | Ruan | 29/12/1995 | 104 | 1.95 | 2 | |
| 9 | Sias | Ethan | 17/02/1995 | 78 | 1.76 | 2 | |
| 10 | Nel | Ernest | 19/06/1995 | 88 | 1.88 | 2 | |
| 11 | Warnick | Jemeel | 18/05/1995 | 78 | 1.72 | 2 | |
| 12 | Naude | Franco | 28/03/1996 | 91 | 1.84 | 1 | |
| 13 | September | Marquit | 14/09/1994 | 95 | 1.89 | 2 | Craven week Blou Bulle 2012 |
| 14 | De Beer | Paul | 09/2 /1996 | 84 | 1.80 | 1 | |
| 15 | Solomons | Jade | 17/12/1995 | 83 | 1.81 | 2 | |
| 16 | Van Rensburg | Frikkie | 22/08/1994 | 105 | 1.80 | 3 | |
| 17 | Huyser | Jurie | 06/03/1996 | 103 | 1.80 | 1 | |
| 18 | Venter | Brendon | 10/07/1996 | 109 | 1.97 | 1 | |
| 19 | Bergh | Stefan | 10/12/1995 | 88 | 1.86 | 2 | |
| 20 | Toerien | P.J | 17/02/1996 | 90 | 1.82 | 1 | |
| 21 | De Beer | Dylon | 29/11/1996 | 75 | 1.80 | 1 | |
| 22 | Jv Rensburg | Richard | 11/01/1995 | 84 | 1.80 | 2 | |
| 23 | Küssel | Güstav | 21/08/1995 | 80 | 1.85 | 1 |
*YRS denotes years of first team experience
@Horse The backline was good with the 13 standing out! defence and teamwork won them the game and that came from the Dale coach
@House:
Any outstanding players in the DPHS side
It was a tight game 0-0 ht and 3-0 ft , proud of the Prep boys!
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Dale Junior seem to be the stars of the show. Also look at Sterling from East London – quality side, all the skills and some big lads to boot.
@Gungets Tuft: With a common interest in SBR and wine the opportunity is but a business visit to Bluff Meats or Chester Wholesale away
I see the main game at Glenwood tomorrow is Dale Junior vs DPHS. Should be a pretty good game!
@Ploegskaar: Beet is going to hunt you down with Tippex now, cosYcos you said tipple ….
We might need to indulge our common interest in red sometime. Carrent think when it might be, but I will store the info somewhere.
@Gungets Tuft: Aye GT, as the Porra saying goes: Life’s about the wine you’ve drunk, the food you’ve eaten and the **** you’ve given. Red’s my tipple of choice, so no messing about on that account.
@Ploegskaar: And with your permission, kind Sir, I will use that line, it is very much to my liking
The latter makes you a poet, the former a poeth
@Ploegskaar: and I meant to say “was NOT wasted”
@Ploegskaar: ’twas the Shiraz, but could as easily have been the Cab as well. Bru, I am an old style 98 pound weakling and drank the whole bottle. I couldn’t remember my name but you expect me to recall the muti for the evening. I just checked the recycling bin esor and did eeny meeny
@ Gungets tuft
:-) – It was a bit draining lol and lets just say i didnt enjoy friday work to much with my hangover.
@Gungets Tuft: Biography or Quennery?
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Glenwood is not in Umbilo. Glenwood is in………..Glenwood. Would you believe it? One good also stretch the geography and say that DHS was in Sydenham. Wouldn’t go down too well with the Jones methinks…….
@Rhino: Bru – you must be exhausted, carrying this massive burden around for something like a year. I am sure the forum here will join me in wishing you well over the time it will take to get over the back injury. Vent any time you like, remember that a problem shared, as well as a friend in need, generally a pain in the #rse …
And that is a genuine little smiley, we all have our bad days, I will learn from your experience and try not to drink and blog. In my case it generally starts little stories about sledges, snow and mongrel dogs …. but at least I confirm that the rather fine bottle of Raka was wasted 8)
@horsie, not arguing just banter.
@rhino, not saying Glenwood don’t give out bursaries they give out 40 a year now, but Westville offer 60 plus! That is a whole extra rugby squad. Glenwood were more ‘active’ in the rugby market but that was a few years ago. Others schools are just as active if not more so…
Haha loving the argument between you two. Regarding fixtures being called off I think there hasn’t been the kind of urgency between the two schools to reinstate the fixture as there was between GWD and DHS probably due to them not being traditional rivals with a huge history.
No school is perfect but if old boys are also going to argue so much about this too I think there might end up being a 5 year cooling period…
Keep calm and support each other
@grasshopper – yep i have been out of the loop for a long time.
I dont doubt WBHS offer bursaries – so does GW though and this has been mentioned last year to some extent by someone – GW have been seen as “busier” than most in doing this. It doesnt actually bother me as these days its become semi professional and all and not like the old days when our 1st team were all born and bred Westville boys etc. so either get with the times or fade away and WBHS, GW, the private schools, college etc have all done well at doing so.
WBHS in the 90’s was a decent sporting school – not great but decent. Same as GW in a way.
As for this statement : “You mention bringing up results, what else shows who has the ascendancy in a certain sport? In the past 6 years Glenwood have won 5 out of 6, that is pretty comprehensive” – what u on about… i never said otherwise – i said you have a better win/loss record against us.. Go read it again.
Comparing wbhs to Chelsea.. if only… but ill take it as a compliment.. so then who would you be.. hmm perhaps millwall? lol.
anyhow we both know we will never agree on everything as have loyalty to our schools and rightly so. anyhow i quite enjoy the banter and dont always say the correct things but its pretty entertaining and harmless in essence.
Well that is certainly good news as it would be a travesty if it doesnt….
Yeah but Glenwood werent in the position that DHS has found themselves in…they have always been a good school and have clearly become a very good school..
Im sure dhs be ok.. they got new headmaster havent they from KES who has a good rep and all and a rugby lover etc so this is a big step too.
@Rhino, you obviously have been away for a while as all the points you raised have been covered ad nauseum by the bloggers here and on other sites. Westville used their own age auditors, surely that is hiding something. Marne should have played considering other schools have and done the same thing eg Northwood and Hilton. Westville applied double standards and thought they would hold Glenwood to ransom, this won’t be allowed to happen again. Yes, my three best mates and two brother in laws are Westville Old Boys, it does not mean that I have to agree what Westville is doing now. Westville in the 90’s was just an average sporting school who produced the occasional high level sportsman in a small sporting code eg the Chalupsky’s. They were never considered a big game and usually considered a win. Now with a huge injection of money in the last decade they have become a player in the major codes, kind of like a Chelsea of football. Westville are trying to buy success with an excess of 60 bursaries a year. I mean any school would do well with that sort of offering. You mention bringing up results, what else shows who has the ascendancy in a certain sport? In the past 6 years Glenwood have won 5 out of 6, that is pretty comprehensive. You say Glenwood would not have made a fuss about Marne if they had won, don’t agree they would have in any case as it’s the principle of it. Anyway, this whole topic has got boring now so not going to waste my time on this anymore. Most of your last comment was a personal attack on me so don’t point any fingers…fyi I will be supporting Westville at KERF and against any side outside of KZN..
@Rhino:
But Glenwood have pulled it off even though they are in scumbilo? I think we too can do the same. Will be hard but I’m hearing good things and gr.7 boys are actually looking at DHS as a good viable option now compared to maybe 4 years ago
@ horsefly – i take heed of what you say and yes i i could have said things better last night and to which was why i said in my looooooong and boring reply that i had been out last night and had a few too many lol which amounted to some “not so great comments” or badly written anyhow….
But i had some points too which were valid.
I dont mind the “attacks” as such … as long as it not personal then each to their own and all and im sure you will see in time i generally not here to stir. but im no doormat either.
@Rhino:
If that is so then it would seem that the whole attack on you is due to a badly written post from you. Had it been bette r written you wouldn’t have been attacked as much.
@Rhino: Start gardening, wash your car with a Glenwood jersey, dress a doll with their jersey and give it to the dog to play with BUT remember your “ranting” and ways of dealing with anger WILL be passed on to your children.
@horsefly no.1
Ok this is what i said about DHS and if you look at the context of it all i never meant bad to DHS – at all !!! i have no qualms with DHS just want them to rise back again as it is a good Durban school
“I wish DHS would come back into what they were……………… i just cannot ever see it happening and its due to logistics………………… very sad !!”
As you can see i never said they wouldnt – i said i cannot see it happening and wish they would which is my opinion and due to logistics of where they are situated etc. it was a positive comment in essence but i guess you taking it negatively. never meant so. mate!
@ Tjoppa – i dont hate GW – i said so in my long and boring reply earlier. I just needed to vent some frustrations – perhaps i should just keep quiet but it wasnt personal just a rant and we are entitled too arent we.
Ill try take your advice though.. to be fair i dont usually get riled easily and i will happily leave it there if possible.
@Rhino:
And how about your comment of not thinking DHS would ever make it back? Quite premature AND immature for you to say isn’t it????
Reputation 2nd to none?? Think again mate,
@Rhino: Sjoe are you really 37? Why dont you just enjoy these wonderfull years you were given to enjoy your children. It will be over before you know and it seems 80% of this time will be spent on hating Glenwood. What a waste.
@beet: I agree totally with the spirit of your idea – the more exposure parents get to the various scouts the better choices they can make. However, if Glenwood stages a festival then I don’t beleive a Westville scout should be allowed to prey off of it. By the same token, scouts from other schools should not be allowed to scout at the Westville U13 cricket festival.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Swimmers are scouted at the various Age Group galas at Kings Park Pool. KZN Swimming is very well run and there are rankings for every event in every age group. When my son swam in his first gala and got onto the rankings – the call came a few days later. This makes sense given what I have always said – swimmers are not bred at schools, the are bred at clubs.
@star: I agree- it is all getting a bit out of hand. At the end of the day the boys enjoy playing the game and that is what is important. We are all passionate about our boys schools and it does go a bit far.winning or losing is important. It teaches them skills to deal with disappointment as well as the joys of winning. Believe you me, I got my fair share of beatings on the rugby field specially from the big 3 but in the end made a hell of a lot of mates in the process. Let them go and enjoy themselves-green,maroon, blue,red and white and let us just enjoy the spectacle.
OK here is my retort : And i am going to try reply to all that i have read in some way … My reason for a late night outburst is as follows. Work night out.. late night, few too many scoops and got home and had a read and figured its time to let go some of the old festering wounds that i/we have been subjected to over the past – not so much on this site ( as yet ) but when i came across this and seen all the old blogger names from rugby365 i decided to have a say as i usually take what i hear and dont say too much back as i try NOT to take the bait ( usually).. and it is tough as last year the moaning and whining from the GW bloggers was just constant ( even on other schools forums) and annoying. So i had my say …. Why is it that it is always and only GW chaps ( not all ) that moan when you lose… how often have you seen us do so ( on this site or rugby365 etc ) – i would say hardly ever ( im sure there are a few ). When we lose we accept it and generally move on. you dont. you say ( grassy ) that we have this hatred for GW .. hate is a strong word.. dislike is more reasonable and its not actually GW itself.. its bloggers like you that stir and moan and whine like girls. Why? As you often mention in the past your win/loss record against us is better but when you do lose you moan and complain .. then you field clearly illegal players and when Westville asks for marne to be withdrawn you sulk and moan and yet Westville were entitled to do so and in the RIGHT and it was proven so… wasnt it !!? and other schools backed us and some did the same…. Meanwhile back at the ranch you still played with and even more illegal player in Tom and to which he would have significantly contributed to your wins over some schools… GW must have know a fully grown man is playing against 16 to 18 year olds and then they got caught.. but now we mustnt say anything about it? its in the past.. yes.. but im just having my say just as you do too. Those wins should be scrapped and a N/C just as you would do in MMA or boxing. If Westville or whoever did the same then they too should face the consequences. But it was GW that got caught. Westville did not and to this day have not done anything in this manner. You say we swept ours under the mat ? how? If we did we would have been blown up too and rightfully so… but we didnt. you did! end of.
From my side ..the whole beef of Westville / Glenwood started when you moaned about Marne etc cause you lost. If you had won nothing would have been said. Its just the whining and constant GW this and GW that… its irritating, to me and im sure others too. But thats my opinion.
re grammar ( cant remember who pulled me up on it ) – its just quick and easy lazy typing. Yes i went to Westville and got a good education at one of the top schools in the country….and anyhow its my choice to type so, if i choose. Thats just nit picking . bore off.
Grasshopper – GW calling off the rugby was just childish in itself and has ruined what is currently and arguably the “biggest” game between two BIG schools in KZN. You say we must give respect… for what ? For being 50 years older than us? um… negative. Ridiculous. Westville clearly has respect and a reputation second to none. Again this is nit picking IMO. Also you love to bring up the money topic… Yes Westville is in a more “affluent” area.. so what.. good for us. If i had to choose to live in Glenwood/umbilo.. or Westviile – i would choose Westville.. and go figure why… cause its a better area. makes sense. its a no brainer…!!! Anyhow you know soyourself as u grew up in Westville didnt u. Anyhow what did it have to do with this? i find a lot of your comments ( esp back last year on rugby365 ) so hypocritical… cause you will diss WBHS then every so often say ” i have lots of mates etc and like WBHS etc” – You are the first to find fault with something WBHS does… you seem obsessed.. you are always commenting on the http://www.wbhs website… tell you what if you dont like it.. dont look at it.. go look at your own. I have never looked at GW website cause its not of my interest too. i like WBHS.
As im writing this i am thinking its all ridiculous but yes i started it last night so i guess i must reply again. BTW – i am 37 – class of 93.
You generalise when you say ” Westtille despise GW” – we dont.. more so its annoying bloggers that we dont like. If i went to watch rugby and GW was playing a school from gauteng or so i would probably support GW due to the KZN roots… i never said otherwise so dont insinuate so. I did make a “hahaha” remark when u lost to Garsfontein but it was mostly in jest after a few scoops and all.. as i said first off. I know Garsfontein and they are doing amazingly well. I lived up there for 2 years after school just down the road from it.
In regard to this comment :
“I don’t see why Glenwood should bow to a little freckled faced new kid on the block wanting to cause trouble and thinks they are better than everyone else just because they are wealthier…..”
– JOG ON u idiot.
@ Engelsman – i was just saying my bit
Anyhow there you have it…. hope i make more sense to my comments and that my grammar is slightly better – haha.
Marius Joncker reffed the KZN U13 trials last year in PMB too after coming down to support his son in the U12’s.
Reffed PADSA vs DBN North – gave a red card (that was overturned) to a certain Glenwood Prep lock too. Converted it to 20 push ups as it was a trials match.
@noordwes: Is daai 0/16, 2012, se ma daar. Sal nie met daai blondy sukkel nie. Watter liggaamsdeel is vanjaar in gips.
@beet: Scouts is like politicians THEY LIE accept it, that is how it is. FACT.
@star: Thanks for the kind words sir, good to hear being a Queenstown boy myself
@Grasshopper:
Yeah the ref thing is just wrong.
@greenblooded
I don’t know hey, if that were so then how would Glenwood for examplle get swimmers? All schools rely on the little primary schools gala that WBHS holds to get the best swimmers.
Its fine as it is because you are giving as many boys ass possible the chance to reveive scholarships.
Yeah DPHS has done well for years now, GWD Prep just can’t seem to beat them. Know a couple of them whom will be at DHS next year including one of the props, awesome talents
@GreenBlooded: I know the scout in question. He runs his own scouting business and has recruited players for Port Natal as well if I am not mistaken. This is a tricky issue though. Although I respect that schools deserve something out of the effect they put in, I’m a big fan of parents getting to hear from numerous scouts before they make a decision both at gr.7 and gr.12 level. With regards to this issue, the word “streetwise” has come up before. I’d prefer parents to be streetwise. Let them have the benefit of hearing what a few different guys have to say and then make informed decisions from there because not every scout in the industry has integrity. By listening and trusting the wrong guy could result in a bad choice.
In the interests of making sure everything remains transparent, I would love for organisers to rent out gazebos at festivals to scouts and encourage parents to have a word with all of them. The liars in the scouting industry would then start to find the going very tough, as these guys depend on isolating parents and feeding off their lack of knowledge in order to con them.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: DPHS is doing well but it is the ‘out of town’ schools that are dominating – Monument, Dale and Sterling being the ones I saw. For the Durban Schools, DPHS and Glenwood Prep are probably the pick of them as expected.
There is some quality rugby at that level – the skills levels are right up there. Seems to get better and better every year. Some size individuals there too………….
@HORSEFLY NO.1: I have a big problem with that. Glenwood put on a show at their expense and a heap of free-loaders come along a steal the thunder. It is impossible to know who they all are but like all schools, Glenwood reserve right of admission and I would certainly expect them to refuse entry to the well-known ones. Let them stage their own tourneys at their own expense or get in their cars an do some travelling. They can always send people incognito – like the referee – but ethically I think it is wrong.
@Horsefly, agreed talent scouts can be there but for a referee appointed for the tourno to do the scouting is just wrong, especially when the referee is a master and talent scout for a rival school. Referee’s should remain impartial….
Scouts from almost all over KZN are at this festival and there’s no problem with that quite frankly. This is the best way to see the boys and see whom you fancy for your U14 teams. Some of the boys might even be playing with the mentality of ” I play well , I get a scholarship”.
Yeah clever for Glenwood to have it there and show their facilities but they are also really helping themselves out by saving themselves petrol money. Just the way it is.
Am sure DPHS is dominating there as they almost always do
@Grasshopper: Haha. Too true. Looked out for him this time round – he wasn’t there as a ref or anything else. The man with the clipboard was also not there but that would be a little obvious.
And in other news…………
Some superb U13 rugby going on at Glenwood these last 2 days with the final rounds tomorrow. Unashamedy a marketing exercise by Glenwood to showcase their school to prospective feeder schools. The following schools are taking part:
Pelham
Umhlali
Amanzimtoti
DPHS (2 teams)
Glenwood Prep (2 teams)
Sterling
KZN Development
Penzance
Chelsea
Dale College
Arboretum
Egerton
Richards Bay
Howick
Heuweland
Monument
Goedehoop
Scottburgh
Great to see test referee Marius Jonker in attendance in the role of a parent / coach of Arboretum and willing to whip his shorts on and referee a few matches – I’m sure those boys felt like they were playing a test match.
A little off topic, a little birdie told me a Westville talent scout, referee and staff member was at the Glenwood Under13 rugby tourno in 2012 trying to recruit players (actively spending more time talking to kids than reffing). Now that is low blow! I believe he was blocked from reffing at this tourno this year. Tut tut Westville, very naughty!
@star: If Rhino stuck the Tom knife in then you gave it a twist. I’m over it to be honest. You bring up last year at the KERF – I can promise you that the Marne saga was fresh as a daisy then and there was no way I was supporting Westville against anyone. This year – I will support all the KZN schools. Verby is verby – time to move on. In fact, I would like to see the Glenwood and Westville boys form tunnels and cheer each other onto the field – it only to demonstrate to their respective adult leaders that it is time to bury the hatchet and move on.
@kcob: @kcobDid you see the time of his posts. Crazy stuff. Will be at the KCRF giving the boys moral support and am sure a bit of the amber liquid will flow. TT will be in good form and do us proud. roll around next year.
@star: I was dealing with him, you took a stance on an issue that is dead and buried, and carried on saying the action was only carried out under duress. It doesn’t matter how it was done or why, it was dealt with and that is that. And the little barb about “at least the Easter Cape” etc …. please , that’s weak. I offered no opinion on the match, I could add my congratulations on the Westville performance and conduct if you think it will make you feel better. Truth is I am used to the boys from all schools behaving well and giving it their best effort on the field, it’s the parents that most often disappoint. And the commentators.
@ GT- I am not defending Rhino. You should have dealt with him and not created generalisations about Westville itself. Thank goodness the EC bloggers (who seem proper and down to earth) have called it as they honestly saw it . Westville showed guts and it was appreciated. Thenk you guys. Last year my boy was at the QT U15 cricket tourno and I had the time of my life.On their trip back when their bus driver had a heart attack the support from the QT folk was amazing. As parents we really appreciated it as you can imagine.
@Ludz: We got that table just after 10:00 outside the bar and got up at 17:30 when we left.
@QC86: @GCollege86: same here gentlemen, was a tough day, I didn’t get to sit much, I reckon I only sat for the last 20 minutes of the Queen’s u14A game the entire day. My legs were sore last night. Atleast you men got to sit a little, me and KCman were on our feet for all the matches, was good to see Warrick yesterday
@noordwes – dankie maat – klink soos n goie wedstryd. Jammer oor die HSF voor-ry wat die man gespeel het. Dis jammer of groot manne te he wat voel hulle moet intimideer eerder as vloiende rugby te speel.
@star: if it is that easy to do the right thing then why were there just 2 schools that did (question their motives till the cows come home). Three of 8 were outed, which means another 5 were not. Your mate Rhino arrives here and starts exhuming a year old cadaver then he had better be bloody sure that he has checked his closet properly. Rhino sounds like a 10 year old hiding behind the skirts of a non-fixture to claim a fictitious victory. Any grown up is going to smack his bottie, not defend him.
@QC86: Good to hear mate, this side has always had the potential, been waiting since u14 for them to play good Rugga>>>>.long may it last
@Rugger fan: In die wedstryd was dit veral N-Kaap se agterlyn wat baie beter was as Florida.Tot so 30 minute in die eerste helfte het dit gelyk of Florida dalk kan by hou.Florida het regtig groot stutte en haker,dit is net jammer dat hulle meer die man as die bal speel.N-K se agt het n baie goeie wedstryd gehad,hy het n drie gedruk wat hy die bal agter die skrum opgetel het op die halflyn en reg deur gehardloop het.N-K se sewe flank het ook die oog gevang asook hulle 11 vleuel.
Die moment toe N-K se agterlyn begin hardloop het was Florida in die moeilikheid.Hulle balhantering was regtig goed en hulle hardloop mooi in die spasies in .Florida speel amper die ou dubbel pod game plan met geen ondernemingsgees in die agterlyn.
Ek dink N-K en Garsfontein is die twee beste spanne
@QC86: Rudi, my lyf is so seer vandag. Sal sweer ek het gister rugby gespeel. Ek dink ek kan miskien “suffer” van n ligte de-hydration, sonsteek of die bier was miskien af gewees.
@Engelsman: i can tell you Westville made some friends down here yesterday and gained some fans,went about their bussiness without side shows and arrogance,was nice to see
@HORSEFLY NO.1: No not referring to you, some Westville supporting talking BS,……………….
Good win by Noord-Kaap too. Anyone have a report on that match?
@Engelsman:
If you are speaking to me then that’s at KERF, I’m talking about proper fixtures with all teams playing, that’s the difference. I woouldnt want to wait 4 years before playing against the best
Look back at last year – lets face it GW were embarrassing at WK last year – and on TV too so we have slow starters here
they take time to get into stride & rhythm – no doubt they will bounce back – big time
take the traveling , altitude into account and Garsie loss to Nelspruit and the intensity of the Kearsney game – this all lead up to the machine having it tough at Pucs – still 26 points is good
against what is a potential a top 10 team in SA – As an Athlete in my days at GW I used to battle to run at Potch , Joburg & Pretoria and never did well at altitude , so altitude can be a big factor
GW really need to sort out 1st time tackles – this would have made a difference at Kearsney
I also feel they should have more warm up games before playing upcountry fests
There is no doubt this team has great potential – not too sure if this will be realized before KERF though but I know we will end up having a great season
So , Go Green Machine we are all behind you !!!
Dit was n slegte verloor vir Glenwood.Soos my seun na die wedstryd opgemerk het,geen span in RSA sou Garsies gisteraand gewen het nie.Glenwood het twee keer na n drie nie 10m afgeskop nie en al twee keer het Garsfontein gaan druk.Verder het Glenwood na 15 minute se spel die eerste keer regtig bal gehad om mee te speel.As hulle nog strafskoppe gekry het wat hulle kantlyn toe skop dan gooi hulle skeef in.Die haker speel regtig goed maar daar moet met sy ingooie gewerk word.As die senterpaar op die tweede helfte se spel voortbou sal hulle vorentoe nog baie spanne moeilikheid gee.
n Mens kan duidelik sien dat 13 spelers on die beginspan van Garsfontein al twee jaar in die eerste span is,verder is hulle uitstekend afgerig.
Garsfontein speel teen KHS more indien hulle hulle sterkste span speel verwag ek ten minste n punte verskil van 50.Onthou KHS is die afgelope jare die beste Noordwes skool
Ek kan met sekerheid se dat Glenwood se rugby nie in sak en as hoef tesit nie.Hulle het defnitief nie skander gemaak nie
Please ignore some childish late night rant, new people on this blog always seem to do this. Rock on KZN Rugby!!!! Oh yes, Westville play Paarl Gim, Outeniqua & Framesby at KERF, so stop shouting your mouth off. You get one in every town??!!!!!!!
@beet: Eish Beet. Die opmerking dat “Garsies also hinted at reffing decisions in Nelspruit”, het betrekking. Die gedagte word op die tafel gesit dat Nelspruit nie die oorwinning verdien het nie. Nie waar. Een blogger van Garsies het gekla. Die blogger maak ‘n gewoonte daarvan om oor die skeidsregter te kla as Garsies verloor. In Afrikaans noem ons dit suur druiwe. Ek het met ‘n ouer van Garsies gepraat wat noem dat die rede vir Garsies se loesing eerder aan oorgerustheid deur Garsies en ‘n gedetermineerde Nellies span, toegeskryf kan word. Volgens hom was die oorwinning die beste ding wat met Garsies kon gebeur om die seuns se voete op die grond te hou.
Die ongegronde skydsregter opmerking deur die blogger is dieselfde sou ek meld ‘n skeidsregter wat ‘n Maritzburg College wedstryd blaas, verneuk die oposisie span. Glad nie aanvaarbaar nie.
@Grasshopper:
As I said, Glenwood is very,very new to the style of rugga they are playing now. They’ve all been playing Bash,Bash rugby for years dating back to their U14 year. They will get the hang of it and play to full potential.
Just to add Garsfontein were in the top 20 in all rankings last year and 12th in the Rugby15 one. As you can see from their team most are back this year, hence them being strong in 2013 shouldn’t be a surprise. Glenwood were just beaten by a better and more experienced side on the day, I have no problem with that. It’s when our team self destruct early on that is concerning. Garsies will prove this season how good they are. Seems Outeniqua and Garsies have put down a marker and could be top 10 or top 5 material….
@star: The “Tom” card is becoming like the “Race” card. When all else fails………. Getting just as juvenile.
@rhino
And why would you find do much happiness from the Glenwood loss? I don’t know which part of Westville you came from but maybe you are one of the guys that were swept under the carpet. Even Westville players usually support their fellow KZN teams at festivals. I clearly remember WBHS and DHS being the only KZN schools at KES fest in 2011 and supporting each other as if they’d been doing so for the past 10 years!
Don’t know about your jab there on DHS. I think they are already doing well and the U14A easy victory against Westville last year was a step in the right direction.
@Grasshopper:
I see you’ve found the reply button!
@ Gungets- “open and honest” A boy is playing 4 years out of his age for 5 years and no one has a clue . Give me a break. It is easy to do the right thing when the chips are down as Tom was at CW trials when the whole thing blew up. The only heroin was Vermaak who said enough was enough when the boys went “missing in action”. There is no innocent in this saga.I agree with Grassy about the KZN teams supporting each other in terms of the bigger picture. I was therefore upset when GW did not cheer Westville on last year at KERF.
But we all survive. It is a game after all.
@ Buffel- I am sorry you say it is not a nice fixture and that you think the response is “typical”. I really enjoy the fixture and when we lose I have to deal with my brother-in-law and the Kearsney mafia
@all Agreed that Rhino appears to be about 15 years old. Tends to write like the screen is a blackberry and that horrible short hand the kids use. I’d ignore him as one of the few Buffel is talking about!
@Rhino: Cmon Rhino. Time to let the Tom issue go. Glenwood can’t be embarrassed anymore than they already have been. All you are doing is risking provoking the wrong people who will come on here and end up providing us with list of all the kids who were caught in the audit and then good chances are that the Glenwood guys will be the only ones left with cause to smile or chirp.
What is important is that proper age monitoring continues here in KZN and starts in the rest of the country. It seems like we also need ways to properly verify the ages of Zimbabwean students now.
With regards to Westville playing Glenwood, the feeling on the ground now is that altho Glenwood may have been reason for it being scraped in the first place, they are willing to see this fixture reinstated next year, even wanted it back this year. So you know what it means if it does not happen in 2014…
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: Well said. A minority of Westville supporters ruin it for the rest. It isn’t a nice fixture because of the way thier supporters act and they cannot stand to lose. The response from Rhino is typical and wish that there was a Glenwood/westville fixture to see how it turns out. Anyway we play them later in the year at Westville and hopefully we bring our ‘A’ game.
@Gungets Tuft: Bwahahahahahahaha. Once again – out of the top drawer!!
Judging by the punctuation and grammar I would imagine that Rhino will not be adding to Westville’s proud academic tradition anytime soon.
@QC86: I think Nelspruit poses a challenge to any school no matter how good, if they have to travel a long way to get there. I’m sure if the game had been in Garsfontein we would have seen a completely different result. Garsies also hinted at reffing decisions in Nelspuit. Finally – the type of game against Nelspuit was probably a lot more of an upfront contest and therefore tighter. Against Glenwood, the game was probably a lot quicker and more expansive. Reduced involvement of the pack, less kicking and more space for backs to work with, I think Garsies benefited tremendously from having those national schools 7s champion players from 2012 in their side in this one.
I must say with all the problems we have in Border and with rivelry between teams, the boys still support each other when they play teams from other provinces. As Grasshopper says, many of these boys from the different schools will go on representing KZN at Cravenweek and other tournaments.
@Rhino: Boet, at least Glenwood and DHS were open an honest about their illegal players and acted immediately to sort them out. Can you say the same about your “rounded” school?. There, but for a few little “turned ankles” and an internal private investigator, go Westville.
“Not being caught” is not the same as not guilty, so perhaps a bit less Red Bull and a bit more Ritallin .. yes?
@Rhino: how old are you Rhino? From the looks of your grammar and writing skills, maybe between 13 and 18, so one of the kids. From your childish response, it seems that way. Instead of supporting a fellow KZN school you ridicule it. These guys will be playing with Westville guys at Craven Week, have some respect. They will go on to play with each other at provincial level. Hadebe, Fisher, Majola are playing with Cooper, Zeilanga, Kleinheins etc. Instead of this hatred try some support. If Garsies dismantled a good Glenwood side they could do the same to any KZN side as not one KZN is streaks ahead of another. Only Grey Bloem and Affies in recent times have done that to Glenwood. Grey Bloem did it to Westville at KERF last year with one of the weakest sides in a decade. Learn to support your local rivals especially against other provinces sides. I’ll be supporting Westville vs KES….
You see Rhino’s response is the real attitude of the majority of Westville supporters I was talking about previously. They despise Glenwood and actually get satisfaction in seeing them do badly, it’s kind of close to hatred maybe stemmed from jealously. Very much like the Man U vs Liverpool relationship. Westville ploughed tons of money into their sport 10 years ago to buy their success and hopefully lead KZN in all sports, however unfortunately for them Glenwood did the same, particularly in rugby at the same time. Rugby is the major code in SA so it took away from their limelight. From here they acted like a typical teenager and threw their toys out the cot pointing fingers etc. Westville need to have some respect for their elders eg Glenwood, DHS, College etc they are just the new kid on the block. 5 years in a row Westville lost so they had to stoop to finding loop holes in an agreement to disrupt a team in 2012 and finally get a win, then they sweep their own overaged players under the carpet with their own appointed lawyers. I’m actually glad Glenwood called off the rugby fixtures with Westville now as they need to earn their respect. It is unfortunate for those more mature and level headed supporters like Westers, Star etc and the boys, but until this sort of aloofness goes I don’t see why Glenwood should bow to a little freckled faced new kid on the block wanting to cause trouble and thinks they are better than everyone else just because they are wealthier…..
Beet what did I miss last week
gars f lost to nelspruit 27 22 is this the same school or the seconds played or nelspruit very good,sorry normally confused but this has me scratching my head
@Horsefly : Glenwood fixture list is hectic. TOUGH………………. but have u actually seen Westvilles…………….. eish not much in them…………….. have a look/see………… then u will see what i mean. GW/Westville are seemingly subjecting themselves to massive seasons and this is before the KZN season starts…………. is it good……… yes – cause exposure and exp is what makes schools / teams grow .. but its hectic……………… who will be number 1 at the end……..? Westville..!!!! lol..! well ok here is hoping !!!
@horseyfly – I wish DHS would come back into what they were……………… i just cannot ever see it happening and its due to logistics………………… very sad !!
that was in reply to horsy…btw
OH how i wish Westville was playing GW this year to beat them, again…!!!!!!!! and without illegal players..lol
How old was that Siyabonnga Tom fella when he was found out? 21? how many tries did he score and win games ? hmmmm
In some ways correct except in all round’ness WBHS is , currently, a proven better school in most facets …
Hmmm U GW boys…… tut tut losing big style to a co ed school in Garsfonteing…………wahahahaha…………… no but in sincerity i figured it would happen. Now go back to basics STOP biggin up the “green machine” and realise most schools are frekkin tough and imports and all dont always help matters….. im kinda laughing cause u GW boys are the most blase and biased bloggers and have just moved from rugby365 to this..anyhow……………….Westville also lost today…and only just but u dont see this embarrassment…lol and esp losing to an apprarently higher esteemed side………….. whatever !!!!
Kinda afraid for DHS when they play Grey High who seem to be in excellent form this year, guess all I can ask from the boys is that they give their all and play for each other and the badge
@Grasshopper: hopper don’t think Glenwood need to prove themselves any more. You guys have the toughest fixture list in the country and mentally and physically it will take it’s toll on the boys
@Grasshopper:
But isn’t playing so many top teams part of the Glenwood experience? If I was a rugby player choosing between Glenwood,College and Westville who are all of similar strengths and are good schools in their own right I’d choose Glenwood because of their offer which includes games against Affies,Monument,Grey College, Paarl Gim etc. Take those away and there literally almost nothing seperating you from the other two schools.
@Gungets Tuft: I read those comments on Facebook. I’d rather College have that fixture in preparation for Grey High. I’m not sure if the Old Boys realise how tough the Grey High game will be and I hope they don’t expect a walk in the park. Lets get behind the lads and give them the support they need next weekend. Wish I could be there to enjoy the festival. Will be cheering them on from the UK
@Gungets Tuft: or be realistic and cut 22 games down to 17 or 18, not play Pukke and concentrate on KERF and Wildeklawer. Although I think this is Glenwood’s last contracted year at KERF. Maybe KES, St Johns or St Stithians in 2014. We should test ourselves against which we do now against Affies & Grey Bloem. Why do we need to play 10 or more of the top 20 teams in SA, no one else does……someone’s ego at play here and we all know who….
@Grasshopper: You mean those easier games against Glenwood and Westville ….
I know what you mean, but you need to see the silly comments from College Old Boys when it was announced that College were playing Gerge Campbell, Carter Alex and Linpark. They were clearly in the practical class (y’know, Maths Lit) and failed to see that College 6th were playing Alex 1st (29-17), our 4th against Carter 1st (34-0), our U16C against Linpark A (62-0). So you also set yourself up against your own Old Boys if you try and ease into it gracefully.
With Glenwood’s fixture list this year, to start slowly you need to start playing in February – not sure you are going to get any mental patients into your asylum …. perhaps you will need to tour again, just not Argentina where you have to play club teams …
@Gungets Tuft: agreed, but we do not have the time now to build a team especially with what awaits next week. Always said Glenwood throw themselves into the deep end every season so the start slowly and only reach their peak mid to end season. We need more confidence building easier games early season to build up the team kind of like what College is doing this year. A few games against 2nd tier sides would be good….
A big big thank you to Noordwes who was at the rugby tonight and provided all the feedback.
Glenwood will get used to their new style of rugby. Remember that since U14 these boys have been playing a different style which was more smash,smash,smash than running the ball.
They will learn and will be dangerous. They have some excellent players there. It also must be a new thing to them to not be one of the biggest around anymore. Once they get over that it’ll be just all right
@Grasshopper: Similar to College last year as well, lots of 1st 20-minute deficits and the exhausting catch up game. Must have been 3 or 4 of those. Its all abot sorting out the roles in the team, learning about team mates strengths and weaknesses and then compensating where you need to. It’s called building a team …
Looking at Glenwood for: 26 vs Framesby, 25 vs Kearsney, 26 vs Garsies. Plenty of tries. 26 should be a winning score, so perhaps more attention has to be focused on making sure their opponents don’t get anywhere near 27. Defence! So far against reads: 24 vs Framesby, 26 vs Kearsney and 48 vs Garsies says that they are conceding too many points.
Tonight they conceded quite a few points to an alert team with good counterattacking skills but subtracting those turnover tries, it seems like Garsies would have still registered a score in the 20’s.
@Gungets Tuft: you probably right. Trying too hard forces errors. Hopefully an early season wake up call and lesson learnt. It sounded very similar to the Glenwood loss at Wildeklawer last year, I think to Outeniqua. Lost lineouts and not catching kick offs cost us the game as they went 20 points ahead in 20 mins. That kind of deficit is very hard to recover from…
Not a great result for the Greem Machine but a lot of positives here. Bear in mind that Garsies are heavier, taller and far more experienced than Glenwood. Reading Beet’s twitter feed it seems like there are 3 major problems which Sean needs to fix: Lineouts – seems like the throw is the problem. Get the guy to practice until he can no longer lift his arms. We cannot go giving away first phase ball. First time tackling – same problem as against Kearsney. We have to take the ball carrier down first time – this cannot be difficult to resolve. Hanlding errors are a function of a backline trying to run the ball and be creative early in the season – not a bad thing IMHO. This will click into place. Very positive to hear how dangerous the backs are with ball in hand. That bodes well. Its not like we got thumped 48-0 here guys, we ran in 4 tries against a very good team.
My excellent Twitter and WhatsApp feed seemed to indicate that at least 14 points were scored from Glenwood mistakes – knock-ons and turnovers deep in Garsies territory. Perhaps a little eager and impatient on attack (white line fever perhaps), not uncommon early in the season before trust is built in your team mates as well as the coaching squad. Kids not entirely sure of their positions trying to make too much of an impression, also not sure of what a team mate is going to . Opinion is obviously blind, didn’t see the game, but turnovers like that are not Glenwood style. JMO .. Beet and Greenblooded will know better.
Ok horsie, apologies took it the wrong way. Garsies have building quietly in the past few years and hit the scene in 2013 big time. I wonder if they playing any big guns this season?
Glenwood must show character and bounce back from this. Well done Garsies – they must be an awesome team.
@Grasshopper:
Not really taking pleasure, more like in awe as they’ve beaten what you refuse to believe is a very good Glenwood side.
Thanks Beet, as always a balanced report back. Drostdy next then 3 very tough games at Kearsney. Seems line outs and tackling will be focused on in the next training session. Garsies might be top 10 material after that….
For Glenwood, they once again they looked very dangerous when they held onto the ball. They scored 4 good tries. Centres Nela and Mcuma finished the game strongly. The team however left points on the field via handling errors. On a few occasions Garsies pounced on mistakes and turned the Glenwood errors into tries on the other side of the field. Glenwood started badly, missing 1st time tackles just like they did against Kearsney, however unlike Kearsney, Garsfontein really punished them and scored 22 unanswered points. Rupert Kay had a good first half. Hooker Kerron van Vuuren’s name also came up as a stand out player. Unfortunately Glenwood also lost confidence in the lineout. Some skew throws were obviously the result of a lot of pressure and the rough count was that Glenwood lost +/-7 lineouts during the game.
Garsfontein really signaled their intentions for 2013 here. After a minor setback in Nelspruit, they look to be very much back on track again. Outstanding centre Marquit September was the player of the match.
@horsie, taking pleasure out of a Glenwood loss, typical. I wonder how DHS would have done. This Garsies side must be good. Obviously KZN sides have gone backwards with Westville and Glenwood losses.
Well done Garsies, awesome victory!
AK Nela try 3min from time
48-26 final score! Jeez, Garsies must be one hell of a side. Not many sides score close to 50 against Glenwood. Only really the big 5! Well done Garsies obviously beaten by a better side. Glenwood will be licking their wounds into Kearsney now. Extremely tough season ahead….
Final score 48-26 to Garsfontein
48-19, getting embarrassing now.
Garsfontein left wing scores a runaway try to extend their lead to 48-19 with 3min left
Geeez Garies are out to prove a point
Sounds like a hectic game and some awesome rugby.
43-19, Garsies running havoc in the 2nd half! Just heard…
Garsies scored 2 tries in the 1st 10min of the 2nd half to lead 43-19 vs Glenwood. Kerron Van Vuuren playing well for Glenwood
Seems to be a great game. Wonder what influence the thin highveld air is going to have on Glenwood.
Cummon Glenwood!!!!! Great fight back on the cards. Hope Sean’s ht speech is a goodie!
Glad to hear the boys are fighting back, seems a high scoring affair. Seeing 22-0 after 20 mins shocked me a little. Garsies are obviously very good…
Half time score is Garsies 29 Glenwood 19. Seems Glenwood is coming back
Glenwood shows fighting spirit and adventurous attack. They run the ball from their own tryline after the hooter and score a try. Halftime 29-19 to Garsies
Garsfontein 29 Glenwood 12. Try for Glenwood by Mazibuko
What the heck is going on there? Sounds like error after error and Garsies just scoring at will from the errors……long long long long long long season ahead methinks….
Garsfontein 29 Glenwood 7 Glenwood make another unforced error and Garsies capitalises with a try
Garsfontein 22 Glenwood 7. At long last good work by the Green Machine pays off as Mcuma scores a good try
Massacre! Kind of like the Sharks last week…no coming back from 22 points down…..miracle required…
Glenwood playing better but then they turn the ball over and Garsfontein scores a try 22-0
Are you there beet? To answer your previous question, I never really noticed the reply button, but will do going forward. Out of habit I just go to comment. Missed tackles is a huge concern…,
Glenwood coming back into the game but missed too many 1st time tackles early on and paid the price.
Looks like we in for a hiding against a bigger more experienced Garsies side. Hard to come back from that!
Garsfontein 15 Glenwood 0 10min in
@Grasshopper: no I don’t think marne and koos moving to GW is a problem. Waterkloof I think is in the process of moving over to the more festival games hence the reason for not playing Nu Power this year. There is some talks going on and GW is on the cards. Maybe you OB’s should stoke some fire from that side. Would be great to play you and other from KZN.
Yes Naas is still in the mix. His contract is ending this year, so don’t know about next year.
@klofiepa, I wonder why Glenwood don’t play Waterkloof regularly. We now have a Monnas annual fixture in place. Marne Coetzee and Koos Tredoux have both come to Glenwood from Klofies so maybe that is why. Would be good games. Is Naas still involved in your set up?
Sterkte Garsies!! Glo julle sal opmaak vir daai blabs in Nelspruit.
Gaan n grote wees teen GW na hul 1 punt verloor teen Kearsney.
@Green Hopper: 2 big surprises there: 1, you played wing and 2, you are the same age as the Termite.
I think Pedantic may have it correct. To the naked eye, Dixon looks to be at least 5cm taller than Staples and with his backline skills he would be the better 8 with Staples on the flank. Having said that we also need to consider all the other flanks in KZN of which I’m sure there are many quality players. Being spoiled for choice is a good thing!!
@GreenBlooded: re staples and dixon and Dixon now at 8 , i wish to remind every one here that One of South Africas Great Rugby Players and Captains Gray Teichmann was a convert Flyhalf to 8th Man, he played most of his school career , at Junior School, where i was wing , he was my Fly Half , only in Grade 10 , I think did he convert through to 8 , so yes there is great possiblity here
@GreenBlooded:
I’ve seen both play against DHS and it seemed to me that Dixon was more suited to no.8 positon
Maybe its just how they were told to play by coaches but Staples was used more to tire DHS boys and Dixon ran great lines and was dangerous off the scrum.
@Pedantic:
I do think Staples will be just fine at lock, props are quite strong these days.
Will be great to have Dixon at 8 feeding the ball at back of scrum to Simmo
@Gungets Tuft: If your Nostrodamus moment is Kriel having a good season – I can’t wait to see it – he certainly has the pedigree!
@Griffon: Can I take a screen dump of that “just names that don’t know how to bring it” post for a little Nostrodamus moment later in the season. I think i am going to enjoy this season at U16
@GreenBlooded: I disagree on the physicality – but then I’m biased and also had the benefit of watching the video of the game
@HORSEFLY NO.1: The perfect 12 for me is Westville’s Strydom – he has the x-factor along with all the basics required of a good backline player.
@star: I personally don’t think Staples is suited to lock any longer – believe it or not, he’s probably too short at 1.90 and I would guess too heavy to lift.
From the game I saw on Saturday he looked more like a flank with a massive workrate but didn’t show enough in attack to be an ideal 8 – what a a player though!
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Agree – Staples and Dixon at this point without having seen many others this season. Remember there are schools North Coast, South Coast and Northern Natal as well which we can’t discount. Between Staples and Dixon – Staple definately the more physical of the two but remember that Dixon is a converted flyhalf so he brings a whole new dimension and skill-set to the position. Tough one.
@Griffon:
If so then Dexton can always fit into 12. Who do you think will take no.9
@ Horsy : Dexton could also fit into the picture. What I think Shange could have over his competition, is his versatility. If I’m not wrong I remember he can play both centres as well as fullback. Plus he’s strong on defense, great on attack and distributes well.
@Griffon:
What about Dexton Russouw? I’m sure he could fit into 10. Have someone fit into 12
At ten without trying to be bias. The Westville 10 M.Shange plus the 2 that you stated. So those are my top 3, plus the House 1 who I’v yet seen play. Back three I’m not that familiar with back three players from around the province.
@Griffon:
Ok,who are you rating then? For 10 and back three?
As good as both of them are, I think they more of names than players who know how to ‘bring’ it when under pressure. Also the NW 10 isn’t the strongest on defense.
@Griffon:
Thought people were rating Matt Kriel and N’Wood Flyhalf for 10
@Griffon:
What about those positions
Meant positions that are wide open, sorry
Positions in my opinion for GK this year, are mostly in backline being the back three and Flyhalf
@star:
Guess so. Wiseman did play flank for KZN U13 though whilst Staples played no.4 lock so they could just revert back to their old positions.
@ Horsy- it depends who is better suited to lock. Hilton had a new No 8 who I think came from St Charles who was quite useful and the U13 KZN No 8 was Wiseman (MHS). Interesting to see how this develops.
@GreenBlooded:
Yeah whatll be interesting for me is who’ll be favoured for KZN no.8 between him and Dixon as they are probably favourites at this point
@ Grassy- the GW backs average 77 kg as opposed to Garsies 85kg which is significant. The 2 centers alone average 93kg. What did Jake White say about a good big one as opposed to a good small one? GW will have to show all their skills and pace to put that theory to bed.( and they have every chance of doing so. As Terblanche says “believe”)
@Beet, good spot……we are stuffed then
@Grasshopper: Don’t forget the experience factor. Look at Garsies no. of returning players
Glenwood pack exactly 800kg and Garsies 806kg, pretty big and pretty evenly matched. Garsies have taller locks and No8, so Glenwood could struggle there. The Garsies front row is shorter and bulky so may have the upper hand there too. The Glenwood hald backs and backs in general are smaller but I’m probably quicker….so this will be an interesting one. If Glenwood can match them up front and swing the ball, hopefully the speed out wide wins the day…
I have added the Garsies player details
Ek gaan daar wees sal vir julle updates kan deurstuur.Sien baie uit na die wedstryd.
@Woltrui, Garsies could certainly take the game, hence Glenwood taking Pukke very seriously. However, we are all guessing as we have no real benchmarks to compare the sides……good luck to both teams. Obviously, I hope Glenwood pull through without any injuries….
@Greenwood: @GreenBlooded: @Green Hopper: @Grasshopper: I think Garsies, after their lost against Nelspruit, has got a lot to proof. They are goiing to be extremely motivated. I think they could take this game.
Is there anyway we can be updated on this game tomorrow ?
Also I hear from the boys that Curtis’s injury at Kearsney was very bad cramps in the lower leg
maybe he needs some magic muti as he also came off early “injured ” at KP last week
Anyway – Good luck to the Machine for tomorrow
Watched Staples at Kearsney on Saturday. The first thing that struck me was his workrate – very impressive and very physical. Size wise, his team mates have caught up. He does not stand out as a massive player this year like he did in U14 and to a lesser extend last year. Still a superb athlete and a real hard grafter.
@Green Hopper:
Think Kenny is much better at loosie, was very effective the last time I saw him play there.
What I have noticed is that every new batch is getting smaller and smaller. A few years ago you’d get a BIG team, now you get an OK sized team with a few big individuals.
This even shows at U13 level, the tallest lock at KZN U13 side 2010 was 1.86m and last year the tallest was about 1.79m
@Green Hopper:
Bismarck isn’t 1.93m tall. Staples would find it hard to stay up.
Unless you are talking about Kenny
@HORSEFLY NO.1: hey i think and have seen props against Kenny , many from his own school, and i have reservations that we aren’t picking the right front row, but i am no prop , and was a backline player myself, but i think i know a few things technically about how front rows and scrums should work,
but each coach has a preference on how he sets up his game, and game plan , Naas has always noted you win or lose it up front , and it’s true, how you base your game plan and attack starts here and how you get your scrum working , I prefer the smaller stocker Tighthead, and a taller loose head, but I do enjoy a mobile loose head with good sense of speed and game appreciation, but hey that how I would pick a team
@HORSEFLY NO.1: hey look at Bismark ., he is in the same battleship mould , hey there could actually be something in this
Yeah he is.
I see that Kenny van Niekerk has been changed from loose forward to prop, probably gained a bit of weight there
Haha. He’d be one of the biggest hookers around then along with Malcolm Marx whom moved from loose trio to the position.
KES recycled Malcolm Marx into a hooker, he is doing pretty well playing Varsity Cup for UJ first year out of school. However Staples is too tall for that….
@HORSEFLY NO.1: you never know Sean might recycle him into hooker? lol
@Grasshopper: he isnt related to Gary sorry ,
@Grasshopper: whilst i am a supporter of thsi law , i think you will find players like the Dup brothers will have experinced the same conditions,, i stated the same last year and would like to know how they actually handled it physically and injury wise, i see they are already injuried thsi year and wonder if it might have beena carry over and result of last year
@HORSEFLY NO.1: staples is u16 and Boksmart and they will make it impossible for him to play open rugby this year
@greenhopper, isn’t what? Too young or too small?
@Grasshopper: no he isnt
@Grasshopper:
Yeah I meant that Sean must be eager to have Staples next year. Class act. Also helps that he is 1.93 so he’s definitely a lineout option. He will probably play at lock since Jayson Gouws is gone.
@horsie, surely Staples is still too young to play 1st team, also too physically immature? Big for his age but not muscular enough to compete without injury, maybe next year…
@Grasshopper:
Yeah thought Ruben would be a starter by now, good player.
I’m sure Sean Erasmus can’t wait to get Staples into the squad(wonder where he’ll play)
@horsey, Ruben is there no21. Looks a biggish pack but definitely not the biggest in KZN
Some big boys there, specially Teichmann. Thought Mngadi was in the starting line-up, think he’s started one or two.
Also,where’s Reuben Fouche? Didn’t he play 1st team against College last year whilst being U16?
Teichmann and Harmsworth would make a tall lock pairing, something Glenwood has lacked in the past. Is Teichmann related to Gary at all?
Wow, Josef Potgieter is a big boy, is he new? The locks look a little light but hey at this level it’s ok. Looks a pretty good squad with good depth. Where is Chris Bredell the speedster?