| Rank | Team | Avg |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | HJS Paarl | 4.71 |
| 2 | Paarl Gim | 4.43 |
| 3 | Grey College | 4.27 |
| 4 | Affies | 4.25 |
| 5 | Glenwood | 4.03 |
| 6 | Monument | 3.65 |
| 7 | Oakdale | 3.50 |
| 8 | EG Jansen | 3.47 |
| 9 | Paul Roos | 3.46 |
| 10 | Dale College | 3.29 |
| 11 | Selborne | 3.27 |
| 12 | Grey PE | 3.25 |
| 13 | Helpmekaar | 3.21 |
| 14 | Jeppe | 3.19 |
| 15 | SACS | 3.13 |
| 16 | Boland Landbou | 3.04 |
| 17 | Kearsney | 3.02 |
| 18 | Diamantveld | 2.92 |
| 19 | Outeniqua | 2.77 |
| 20 | Garsfontein | 2.77 |
| 21 | Welkom Gim | 2.71 |
| 22 | Nelspruit | 2.64 |
| 23 | Pietersburg | 2.54 |
| 24 | Vereeniging Gim | 2.53 |
| 25 | Kingswood | 2.47 |
| 26 | Ben Vorster | 2.42 |
| 27 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.42 |
| 28 | Rondebosch | 2.41 |
| 29 | Hilton | 2.36 |
| 30 | DHS | 2.32 |
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@Grasshopper: Any level of competition where our best u20 players get to play together at a professional level. Even if our jong bokkies compete in our senior currie cup. I suspect the unions wont be too happy to have signed a player and not have them play any rugby for their respective unions. Overall though SA have so much talent that goes to waste after schoolboy rugby. To think Ruan Combrink almost stopped playing cos he didnt have any contract in his early 20’s. Many more cases of quality players that werent as lucky.
@Vyfster: I heard some far fetched excuses but that one topped them all!..Making assumptions based on no critical evidence is clutching at straws… How do you then explain the 2012 squad that WON the cup and had 22 out of 28 players from non Cup playing schools?..It has nothing to do with schools playing for cups or not…..Trying to justify the playing for cups in trying to correlate it to the u/20 results makes no sense.
The fact of the matter is that our teams has a amateurish approach and the selection criteria is flawed. They were simply just not good enough on the day and had nothing to do with semi-final pressures. The top schools have that same pressure every Saturday they compete against each other in a derby, not only at cup play-off days!
@Hugoboss: agreed, Under20 Trinations is essential going forward. Also more under20 Stars being tested in Currie Cup, not Varsity Cup & Under20 Currie Cup. They need to be tested vs stronger, bigger and more experienced opposition..
@Vyfster: Baie goeie opmerking of waarneming.
I believe our youngsters are the most talented in the world. Our top 10 schoolboy teams consistently beat those from aus, nz and eng at the sannix. And Paarl boys high is probably the best in the world. But the Northern hemisphere will continue to dominate the u20 championships cos they compete in a 6 nations tournament as well. They have been together much longer. I would love to see an u20 rugby championship tournament every year. They just need some top class competition and we will get back to the top.
@Vyfster: Bravo!!!!!
But try and explain it to these festivalderbyinterschools freaks on this blog
Ja, this is a more accurate top 30…..fair at this stage of the season.
Except of course for Marais Viljoen who should be nr 2…..lol
They beat Drostdy, who beat Helpies, who beat Monnas and Garsies, who beat Paarl Gim.
Shame, truth be told…Marais Viljoen managed only 1 win the whole season….against Drostdy…whilst getting klapped by 70 by Garsies and all other teams.
How on earth Marais viljoen managed to beat Drostdy and how Drostdy managed to beat Helpies will remain a baffling mystery……probably cost Helpies a top 10 spot
Looking forward to see rest of season unfolds…..one more thought now that we are nearing the bussines end of the season……only 7 of the 28 players in the Bokkie u20 squad came from teams who plays in a league for a trophy, from u14 level…..there is a different kind of pressure present in a knockout game like the semifinal against England.
i believe all 28 players in the England and Ireland squad previously played for teams in a league for a trophy….maybe people shouldn’t be so quick to denounce real knockout leagues and trophies……they were certainly more used to the unique pressures of such games due to past experience.
I might be wrong, but character and temperament comes more to the fore in such games
@BOG: Ek gaan hier rondhang tot die finaal en British Open ook gaan kyk en dan miskien so bietjie San Remo toe…..het n nice girl van daar ontmoet….dalk trou ek sommer nog en bly daar
@pietretief: Lekker droom Piet
The team that takes nr 1 spot in the Noordvaal is the one who wins the Beeld trophy at the end in my opinion. The intensity of these matches are on a different level than your average ‘ friendly’ match. Teams just bring out their best and it is there where their true strenght lies most of the time with exceptions here and there. Look what happened in the Beeld semis for Macro schools the last 2 years. You do not get much better exciting schoolboy tugby like that easily in any friendly match around the country. That is why I believe the teams playing in the Beeld peak later in the year than early. That is why I also believe that Helpmekaar should move to Macro schools to test their true strenght
@Andre T: Viva Portugal ! Viva Ronaldo ! as jy moeg raak vir al daardie geraas, maak maar n draai hier by my in Portugal. Ek bly in Albufeira en staar na hierdie turqoise blou Meditereense see. Na al die jare as geheelonthouer, het ek selfs al n paar aquardente weggeslaan. Ek vlieg net more Londen toe om in die referendum te gaan stem, vir BREXIT natuurlik. Tyd dat Britanje hulle onafhanklikheid terug kry van die Europese sosialiste. Hoop net nie ek loop te veel van die 600 000 SAs raak daar nie.
@Kattes-Strofes: Maar ou Murrayfield sal weet…..hy wou mos Affie spelers gaan afrokkel het …..en sommer op die “Plaas”
@Kattes-Strofes: Ek het vir Ousakbene belowe ek sal nooit die waarheid vertel
Dis halftyd hier in Lyon en die atmosfeer is elektries……Go Porras
EN NET DAAR SCORE RONALDO
@Hooit: Wel! Ek weet T’tjie sal nie bang wees nie. Kom my ou mater! “Spill the beans” !
@Kattes-Strofes: Daai redes mag nie bespreek word nie. Weet nie hoekom nie
@Andre T: Hallo T’tjie! Baie bly om te hoor jy is nog met ons!
Ek sien hier word nou weer baie gepraat oor Monnas wat nie teen Affies speel nie. Ek weet nie of ek die redes daarvoor gemis het nie, en vra om verskoning indien wel. Kan iemand, wat weet wat die regte redes is, dit tog nie met my/ ons deel nie?
@Andre T: Verkies om nie te veel kommentaar te lewer op die U20 opset en en en nie.
Die Engelse het baie goed gelyk en was die beter span op die dag.
@MikeSt: Daai Engelse het dan skaars n game gewen nou met hul 6 Nasies kompetisie????
@Andre T: ek hoor jy moet maar baie drank inneem om daai los ‘rivier-hawe-vrouens’ te kan hanteer. Moet nou net nie nog van jou “gereedskap” daar verloor nie. Die manne kry jou al klaar so jammer.
@Andre T: Manne het swaar getrek teen n baie goeie Engelse span. Ons speel uit vir 3de plek teen Argentinie
@MikeSt: Wat het met die 0/20 gebeur? Ek is bietjie uit voeling hier in Lyon met die rugby jong…….dis net drank, vrouens en sokker hier
Beeld Makro Finals is my voorspelling Garsies vs Nellies of EGJ
@Andre T: Moet met jou saamstem op al die stelling behalwe die U20 een. (Jou post nr 30)
@Andre T: Is die Frankryk waar jy is langs die Apies rivier
@Andre T: Dog dis dieselfde plek!..
@Andre T: sien so ja.
@Riempies: Nee…..in Frankryk
@Andre T: Nee dankie dit sit jou in lala land.
@Riempies: Wil jy ook n lepeltjie vol hê?
@Andre T: Man dit moet lekker medikasie wees wat jy gebruik?!!
@Andre T: We playing “spot the true statement”?
I say, number 2 ;-)
All I know is Helpies had one helluva fluke against Monnas at St Johns
Monnas are peaking too early again
Monnas will without doubt beat the SA u/20 team
Can anybody confirm the rumour I heard that Drostdy will be coming to Monnas with all their A teams the 1st week of the new term?
@BrotherBear: As stated before I am not getting into the Hans debate. But I do not think so as the decision was made end of last year already.
@Hooit: agree it is sad that Monnas don’t play Affies, and Helpies not regularly against Jeppe.
Noordvaal means ALL schools north of Vaal river. If a specific group (as you eloquently indicated) is spoken about, then NAME that group (as you have stated). Makes it easier for everybody who is not that familiar with all the Northvaal tournaments.
So, is your previous “No 1” statement related to Noordvaal excluding Affies. Or Beeld Macro or what? You previously mentioned “Beeld”. But wait, it is only your untested opinion. So never mind, let’s move on. You will soon be able to claim something of merit (or not) in the Beeld macro competition.
Problem is: most grade 8’s for 2017 already made up their minds. Is’nt that one of the reasons Hans was “let go”?
@Oakdale supporter: Monnas was 17 – 0 voor na 17 minute. So 10 minute in die 2de helfte was die telling 17 – 7 vir Monnas. Ons was bietjie bekommerd maar toe begin die seuns speel.
@Oakdale supporter: 41 – 7 vir Monnas
@BrotherBear: The demographics of the Noordvaal can be confusing. At the u16 academy provincial tournament they select a Noordvaal team which includes all the Beeld provinces as well as Free State and Griffons teams. Then you have the Beeld which includes all the Noordvaal teams except Affies. Then you get the Noordvaal 7’s tournament which is held at Menlo each year and once again excludes Affies. So Affies is in the Noordvaal but excluded from Noordvaal. Just to be clear Affies excludes themselves. So if someone talks about Beeld rugby or Noordvaal rugby in my opinion it excludes Affies. Maybe it is just a bad habit but Monnas and Affies do not get discussed in the same conversations in general.
@Hooit: Ek weet nie of ek dit net mis nie, maar was was die telling toe gisteraand teen Marais Viljoen.
@Hooit: I think you may have me confused with a current Helpie parent (“son” comment).
@Hooit: what do they say about cats on hot “plates”? Hehehe
So, Noordvaal is not equal to Beeld. Beeld is = Beeld.
Would assist greatly if you are much clearer in your posts and then maybe say you believe Monnas is the current favourite to win the Beeld Macro section, based on what you have seen (current form). Still extremely presumptuous if you have not seen the other teams play lately. All the teams have improved. Garsfontein smashed Waterkloof, and may also want to claim that “no 1 position”. In his usual coy manner, @rugbyman probably won’t – which is the right thing to do at this stage.
Hope the Monnas guys come to the party w.r.t. Lions teams. You are playing way too much rugby – same issue every year.
@BrotherBear: Which are the games to follow from now on? Waterkloof? HTS Middelburg? EG? Nelspruit? Garsies? As I stated on current form we can beat any of the teams mentioned and have done so already except for HTS. As Laevelder mentioned it is not always the number 1 or favourite team that wins. It all depends on which team arrives on gameday. Monnas may end up at number 20 but as at today, on current form, Monnas has a very good change to win the Beeld. By the way congratulations on your’e son. He was unlucky not to be there from the start.
@BrotherBear: I think a Monnas vs Affies game will be close with Affies maybe the favourites. With Noordvaal I see Monnas as the best team on current form as, for me, Noordvaal equals Beeld which excludes Affies. Hope that provides clarity om my statement but it is highly unlikely that Affies will put 50 on Monnas. They will have to work hard just to get the win.
@Grasshopper: I think the Monnas players are actually tired at this stage from too much rugby. Some players are in 25 games so far for the year and most players have played 8 games the past month and there are 6 guaranteed games left for most. If Monnas plays in the Beeld final it will be game 33 this year for some. And then the 7’s start. Way too much rugby.
@Grasshopper: They (Affies) will not play Monnas and each for its own why? Good indication will be GW vs Affies this year because GW already played Monnas.
My prediction GW will win all junior games and Affies u/19.
@Hooit: as you say, all those games and losses, in the past. But it is rather presumptuous to first claim the no 1 position and then to backtrack after a few comments and say that Affies would be the favourites. (Yes, @jakes made the comment first, but you reaffirmed it). So, with a few more blog entries you may again change your mind and Monnas will end up at no. ????.
You will note that none of the other schools (Helpmekaar included) have “claimed” any position. But then it could be interpreted that Monnas feels a bit insecure and needs to pitch themselves at the top, before having played some real opposition (games to follow now). I mean, REALLY?
@LAEVELDER: So bêk kort jam. Soos gese die verlede is geskiedenis die toekoms is onbepaald. As als volgens plan verloop sien ons julle by Monnas vir die semi finaal.
@pietretief:
,en dit was ons swakste vertoning van die jaar waar die manne bittermin selfvertroue gehad het .. seker die Rhinos sal nou beter vaar@jakes: dink Monnas vs Affies sal bitter close wees as hul nou moet speel.. die Beeld Makro contenders se enigste hoop is dat Monnas dalk bietjie vroeg peak en hopelik n dip kry in die play-offs.. anderste lig hul die troffee lag-lag op huidiglike vorm..maar alles verander na Cravenweek en die span met fokus en wat regte tyd peak sal laaste lag (soos die afgelope klompie jare gebeur het.. NHS was nie naastenby die gunstelling in 2014 nie en ook nie Garsies in 2015 nie)..
Darm nie teen almal.. ons het hul darm tot 38 beperk
@Hooit: When last did Affies play? Monnas have been active and winning well. What I saw vs Glenwood Monnas are on fire. If playing at home I make it 60/40 in Monnas favour and maybe catching AFFIES cold…
@Hooit: Agree … Beeld play-offs AGAIN will be the highlight of the season.
@AbsolutMenlo: I agree with all. Junior teams can be very unpredictable but on current form I agree with you.
@pietretief: I think a Monnas vs Affies game will be close with Affies the favourites but definately not by 50. I base my opinion on current performance. The Monnas vs Helpies game is in the past. The Helpies vs Affies game is in the past as is the Affies vs Grey Bloem. None of the 3 mentioned losing teams can be rated on that 1 performance. If we continue to use those games to measure all other performamces it will then indicate that Grey Bloem will beat Helpies by 100 and according to you Monnas also by a 100 and Bois High by 30? As Paarl Gim lost to Garsfontein and Monnas, EG and Helpies beat Garsfontein does it make them all a beter team than Paarl Gim? Do not think so. Seeing that Drostdy beat Helpies who beat Garsies who beat Gim are they now number 3? As Jakes stated on current form and I also believe they can beat any team on current form in the NV. Will they win all games left to play against NV teams? It is possible but not a given. Anything can happen on game day?
Noordvaal current form:
1st Affies 1, Monnas 2
u/16 Monnas 1, Garsfontein 2
u/15 Menlo 1, Monnas 2
u/14 Menlo 1, Garsfontein 2
Beeld Macro winners will be the Noordvaal champs in my book.
@Hooit: behalwe vir die 2 verlore wat affies gehad het, het hulle 50 punte teen almal gekry, insluitend jeppie se dream team. Ek dink hulle sal 50 teen monnas ook kry. Op die oomblik vergelyk jy monnnas met wie, eg het nie ‘n great jaar nie en ons hoor nog net van glenwood, hulle toetse kom nog en hulle het reed die eerste een teen monnas gedop. Laat ons maar wag tot na die vakansie, garsfontein le weer in julle pad en hulle het laas net 10min gespeel.
The Monnas gameplan has changed a little but the team is in form now and the players are in form now. Monnas had a poor start to the season but has improved drastically. We lost to Helpies but we did not play well at the time. It is similar to your game against Affies. Affies should not put 50 points against you again. In current form we would not have lost against the team that have beaten us.
@Hooit: but the Monnas form and way they play the game has not changed since St John’s. What in your opinion warrants your opinion?
@jakes: I must agree with you. Important as you said on current form. So far at Marais Viljoen if an end score is less than 50 points then MV did well. Just no contest.
@jakes: when last did you see Helpmekaar play? Just because EG lost against Monnas, does not make Monnas no 1 in NV. Monnas played same rugby against you as against Helpies. EG tried to take them on up front – it did not work. Helpies had a different approach, that worked. Believe Affies still at 1.
Monument on current form probably nr 1 in the Noordvaal, should be at nr 4 and Affies probably at 5. Monnas playing Marais Viljoen today as part of the Beeld trophy.
@Hooit: Hoekom speel Monnas nou nog wedstryde?.. Is dit deel van die Beeld?
Monnas vs Marais Viljoen at Marais Viljoen today. Games start from 14h00 and 1st team plays at 18H30