@BoishaaiPa: Jy het my ( ) haakies misgekyk, sekerlik n “ongelukkie”, maar nogtans. Wonder hoeveel van die uit die “sentrale streek” was vanuit die WC as koshuisgangers? En as jy weer in Bloemfontein kom, daar waar die stront in n rioolplaas verwerk word en nie in die see gepomp word nie, vra iemand om vir jou te se hoeveel Springbokke deur van die “ander” skole in die stad, al opgelewer is?
@BOG: Jy sien , daar is meer as een skool in die ander streke wat moet kompeteer vir goeie rugbyspelers…Maar as jy wil weet watter streek die meeste Springbokke opgelewer het sedert WW2 antwoord ek jou graag…Dit was Weskaap, Met Gauteng op hulle hakke en die Vlaktes n verre derde!…
WC 166
Gauteng 165
Central 114
EP/Border 81
KZN 49
My gevoel, eerder ‘n gemiddelde on in ‘n top skool, as ‘n goeie ou in ‘n gemiddelde skool. Want na skool gaan jy die goeie ouens moet kan vat as jy wil bo uit kom.
@BoishaaiPa: Dit is waarom ek daar weg is net na skool. Wat wel oorgebly het is goeie mensemateriaal. Die minder goeies is Kaap toe. Soos jy weet, het ek self probeer, en na vele jare, sukkel ek steeds met die gevolge daarvan. Watter streek (skool)het nou weer die meeste Springbokke sedert die Tweede wereldoorlog opgelewer?
I do think players who are not always ‘flash’ gets overlooked. Good example is Moerat. No flashy running but works hard where he should. My son tells me Moerat is not overrated and hard as nails from his own experience. Wonder if they drop all the ‘donkeys’ from the teams how well the flash players will look.
@BOG: Nog steeds beter as enige ander plek in SA…veral die vlaktes waar daar nou net stof en plastieksakke is en pokkol teerpaaie..pokkol water…pokkol mielies…pokkol rugby talent ook nou lyk dit my!
@BoishaaiPa: Jammer, het ek die hoeveelheid riool verkeerd? Het dit van 67 ton pd toegeneem? Of is die weer van Junie tot Augustus nie regtig mooi? Of plant hulle nou mielies daar?
@odie15: The numbers that gets thrown around doesn’t add up in the end. If you add up all the CW players going to top schools you must have at least 100 per province!
@BoishaaiPa: we are talking about players going to schools. I don’t know what people are on about. As far as I know WP and Boland select 50 players each. That’s 100 boys. Now PRG 300, Boishaai 200, GIM 100 and Landbou 80. I believe those figures are about max each school takes in a year. So what is everyone on about. Quite a few of the boys are u13A players who weren’t spotted in grade 7. Chose a top school and applied…..we talking 2000 applications per school. Why wouldn’t you as a school take boys who happened to excel at rugby. I know they expect students to do well at school it’s a given there and they rank highly in academics as well. In life if you get left behind in anything it’s difficult to catch up. But why blame someone else for your apathy.
@MikeSt: Mens moet ook onthou dat daai outjie wat B of C span speel sou miskien vir n ander skool A span speel..maar sou hy die CW of AW span haal bo die speler in die ander skool wat in elk geval bokant hom in dieslfde skool sou speel?..Ek dink die wet van gemiddeldes sal die goeie speler nog steeds bo laat uitkom..maak nie regtig saak in watter skool hy was nie. Fokus en harde werk sal vrugte afwerp.
@MikeSt: dit net die blou bulle wat so useless talent spotters het wat 50 seuns kontakteer.Wie doen die scouting?dit lag wekkend om so groot groep te akkoomdeer en almal en hulle ouers gelukkig te hou
@Speartackle: ek dink hy het maar jy sal hom seker nog kan onthou toe Helpmekaar@Monument gespeel het.Ek het telling vergeet maar hy het nogal n mean game gehad
@BoishaaiPa: Stem saam kinders gaan uit eie wil na groot of meer sigbare skole toe.
dit is egter deel van die probleem want baie seuns word uit die sisteem gehaal onbewustelik en ontwikkel nie optimaal nie want hy bevind hom in n B of C span. party skole werf 20 – 30 Cravenweek u13 spelers. Wat word van hulle erens moet 50% vn hulle verdwyn
Dieselfde gebeur met unies na skool wat 40 en 50 manne opraap en dan 2 jaar later is die outjies gone met n handtjievol wat oorbly.
Klubrugby is so n gemors deesdae dat hulle sommer heeltemal ophou speel en verlore raak.
@robbie: HHH dink ek het amper soveel springbok rugby spelers al opgelewer as Affies. HHH en Strand se probleem is die skole het oor die algemeen verval en nou trek selfs PV en Somerset College in Somerset meer van die Strand se top kinders.
Dit is ‘n groot probleem maar dit gaan oor meer as net die rugby. Eers gaan die ander dinge en dan val die rugby en ander sport. Vraag is hoe verander mens dit?
@robbie: Soos voorheen genoem..Daar moenie vinger gewys word na die “Big 4” omdat hulle kwansuis die kinders stroop nie..Kinders gaan 90% van die tyd uit hulle eie wil soontoe omdat die skole op hoogte gebly het en pro-aktief was….die vraag moet eerder gevra word hoekom het die res van die skole toegelaat dat hulle rugby so agteruit gaan?..Dit het oor n lang tydperk plaasgevind omrede die meeste skole net terug gesit het en gedink het niks gaan verander nie en hulle is verseker van hulle voeder bronne.. .Dis maklik om ander die skuld te gee, maar daar moet ook eers voor jou eie deur gevee word.
@Djou: Soos jy se ek hoop dit is die laaste. Nee dit is nie af kraak nie, dit is net met julle verskil oor iets wat julle en ander skole in gauteng doen. Ek stem nie met baie dinge saam wat by baie skole gedoen word nie maar dit beteken nie ek kraak hulle af as ek met hulle verskil oor iets nie.
As jy jou skool iets sien doen wat jy dink hulle nie moet doen nie en jy se dit vir hulle , kraak jy hulle dan af? Nee, mens praat daaroor en elkeen stel sy kant. As julle steeds verskil dan is dit nou maar so. Maar om ‘n persoon te skel en sleg te se net omdat hy ‘n ander opinie het is onnodig? Ek het nooit die skool of afrigters of blogers sleg gese nie. Ek is wel ‘n paar dinge genoem, selfs nadat ek verskoning gevra het vir ‘n verkeerde stelling.
Stem saam oor akademie. Dit ia hartseer om te sien hoe skole uit die “ou dae” in werklikheid verdwyn het as rugbykragte. Dae toe wedstryde in die WK teen JJ Du Preez, JG Meiring, Strand, HHH om net ‘n paar te noem moeilike wedstryde was. Min mense onthou dat HHH in die sestigs interskole gespeel het teen PR. Die noordelike voorstede se gehalte het drasties gedaal. Stellies werk aan hulle rugby, maar die res is verdoem tot B liga rugby grootliks omdat hulle spelers gestroop word deur die BIG 4 op die platteland. Ek het nie ‘n oplossing daarvoor nie, maar dit gaan rugby doodmaak in die streke.
@Speartackle: Die natuurskoon? Wingerdstokke, koppies en plakkertskampe. En hulle is op hulle mooiste van Junie tot Augustus. Ideale weer vir Bikini Beach in Gordonsbaai. Ai, nou vergeet ek amper van die geurige en aromaryke duikgeleenthede tussen die 67 metrieke ton rou riool wat daagliks daar in die see gepomp word. Jy vang nou currysnoek- soos die karp in die Hennopsrivier.
@robbie: Probleem is dat jy moet n fyn ogie op die akademie hou, want almal gaan beslis nie n lewe uit rugby kan maak nie, so jy kan nie n goeie rugbyspeler by jou skool aanvaar wat nie akademies ook gemiddeld tot sterk is nie.
Stem saam Calamari, maar dit is uiters negatief vir skolerugby. Gesentreerde kwaliteit werk beslis nie ten goede. Al die aandag op presterende skole terwyl rugby by die kleiner skole kwyn. Tendens al duidelik te sien in WK. Lekker vir die groot skole, maar nie vir skolerugby nie. Wonder hoeveel spelers gaan verlore/ontwikkel nie na wense nie by groot skole wat soveel moontlik spelers invorder om hul status te handhaaf.
Hoop nie dit is alweer daar onder in die Kaap…..seker een van die mislukste plekke om enige sport te speel.
Die weer is crap daar, die rugbyvelde is horing, krieket pitches is oneweredig, golfbane word swak onderhou, tennisbane vol krake, mense is arrogant daar……….en dan het die Paarl ook seker van die swakste restaurante in RSA
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Irrespective of jy vir die WP, Grens, Valke of EP CD speel en of jy wen of verloor met 30 punte elke seun wat daar opdraf doen dit met trots en iefde vir die spel.
Elke skool elke provinsie is belangrik vir daardie seun. Of hy nou in put sonder water Hoerskool of in Garsfontein of EGJ is maak nie werklik saak vir daardie kind nie. Hulle wil eintlik net speel en dit enjoy.
Opmerking oor die CW die jaar was dat daar baie hoe tellings was so dit kan een van 2 dinge wees minder fokus op die verdediging of dat top talent al meer en meer migreer na n paar unies toe.
@MikeSt: Stem 100% saam! Kom ons wees positief manne. Dit bly skoolseuns wat net hulle rugby wil speel en geniet. Kom ons ondersteun en los ons eie egos by die huis
@Rugbyman: Stem so saam met jou Johan. Dis skokkend wat aangaan op die blog die laaste tyd.
Was regtig nooit so erg in die verlede gewees nie.
Deel van die probleem dink / vermoed ek is dat daar individue is wat in n afbreek kultuur is agv direkte verbintenis met sekere spelers ens en dus die blog gebruik om hulle stellings te maak.
Groot games die naweek
NHS vs HTS M
Helpies vs Gars
Nuwe seisoen na die vakansie.. 6 weke terug se performances, Craven week prestasies tel vir bittermin nou..peilvak rugby
Thank you for this. I do think we focus too much on structure compared to NZ who focuses a lot on just skills and basics…and the ‘never say die’ attitude and the believe within them, makes them very very very tough to beat.
Good day all… I was out of reception area for a few days… last night I saw this thread and was embarrassed to say the least at what is going on here… What are we busy with? Bashing schoolboys and openly discussing them on a forum like this in a negative manner? Are we the adults? And then we wonder why our rugby is going to waste… read the thread objectively and see what I mean…
We have such wonderful talent in this country… we have our problems and issues yes, but what we are doing is creating an environment not condusive to performance… we are creating a fear of failure! Thats why our teams are scared of playing attacking creative rugby… we are our own domise…
I watched the cravenweek and saw the boys giving it their all… playing their hearts out… made mistakes off course, but tried their best! To be criticised by a bunch of so called adults on an open forum is beyond me…
My name is Johan du Plessis and that has never been a secret
@Vleis: The focus has been around Gianni this year since his impact vs Affies. Great skillset but loses team perspective on occasion. So many cuts between centers and flyhalf doesn’t allow for centers to gel.
@BoishaaiPa: @McCulleys Workshop: a good year again. Puts last year’s team in perspective. Think the big difference for me is 2 players. Cornell Smit at inside center and Ruben de Villiers at lock. Smit is an awesome play maker and space creator Manny missed that this year. The scrummy decision left a bad taste so we won’t know difference he would have made. Hopefully team gets some well earned rest. SA schools selections will be interesting although I am hoping a certain flanker from AW appears on the sheet. Definitely the standout loosy in this year’s schools rugby.
@Vleis: Purely as a comparison of the two 13s on the day.Sure,neither had a stellar game yesterday,but one had to look at them in a vacuum on a head to head basis.Both made mistakes,both had moments of good play….outplayed is probably not the right word but Ras did have a better game than Simelane.Simelane,did however have a better week than Ras in my view.A bit of a headache for the selectors.
@Affieouer: BB no 6 is very good player and operates under the radar. Typical player to be overseen by selectors if they do not watch carefully. He has a significant impact on the game during rucks and makes.other players look good. Most of the hype around players have too with their running ability. Many players with more all round ability and adaptability easily overlooked or not discussed.
@Vleis: I agree they both had better games before and they were not the key players on the day, but the one did slightly a better job of the 13 position than the other. But we obviously look at things from our own perspective and will always be a little bias towards players we know better.
@BoishaaiPa: Those are just the ones I remember. Ras definitely looks dangerous, but simply did not have enough opportunities to display his ample ability yesterday.
I don’t think Ras had a poor game – just not a good one and neither did Simelane. So, I think it is strange that people are highlighting Ras as playing better than Simelane, as neither of them were key contributors on the day. It smacks of people with agendas, or trying to be controversial.
In cricket parlance, it’s like people waxing lyrical over Kirsten making 33 compared to Smith making 32, when others made half tons and tons. Yes, both Kirsten and Smith are great players, but their knocks were not key in the game.
@BrotherBear: JC is a stunning player. I dont believe he is a fetcher, he does not hunt the ball on the ground but plays more to his strengh – to finish. Best fetchers at CW were Serdyn of WP and Du Plessis of Bulls. Both boys are deadly at the breakdown. Serdyn made 3 turnovers in last game in 35 min. Du Plessis made 7 turnovers in 35 min of which 3 directly lead to tries against OVS. I believe it will depend on gameplan of coach who gets selected. Playing in a no 6 jersey does not make you a “fetcher.” Ultimately it will come down to whether they opt for a Heinrich Brossow vs Bobby Skinstad type flanker?
@Vleis: Its easy to identify a players mistakes if you focus on them…I can easily name twice that many that the other 13 did but the game is about what they did right and creating oppertunities..which Ras did better. All players makes mistakes…its about the overall play and on the day Ras was better imo.
@Stier: Ek dink 4×4 het my posisie mooi verduidelik jeens Affies.
Gaan lees maar deur die blog – jy sal dit daar vind.
Oor die afkraak – en ek hoop werklik dit is die laaste hieroor – Garsies neem volgens jou kinders uit hul ouerhuise en vervoer hulle 1500 km ver en sit hulle in ‘n koshuis. Nou as dit goed was dan sou jy nie gekla het nie. Maar jy kla, so dit is sleg. Dus, die skool doen ‘n slegte ding.
Dit is afkraak sou ek sê, net op ‘n subtiele manier deur jou gestel.
I don’t see how anyone can say that Ras outplayed Simelane. If one had played a stellar game then maybe, but both only had decent (but not good) games. Ras was penalised for holding; delivered a forward pass when under no pressure; passed to no-one in the Lion’s 22 and missed the crucial tackle on Simelane that may have changed the game if Simelane had better support.
In short, neither of them had their best day, but Simelane was way better in the first two matches (against very strong opponents in SWD and BB), so he is a nailed on starter for 13. Ras will need to move to 12, or play off the bench.
@boerboel: 10.7! Is that on his bike? Just joking, that is serious speed. I didn’t know he is still that young. Good news for next year, he would have learned a lot at CW.
I know there is still some big games coming this term but I am really looking forward to next years CW team. The GK team made a big tactical error in the first game against Boland. I spoke to one of the boys from PRG and he told me many of the first team players didn’t even get a run on in that game. They were so disappointed, they know they should have done better. Maybe it was a good thing that it happened these boys would have learned from it.
Who do you think will play lock next year? Loosies and backs should be fine. They might not have the same experience as this years players but just as good I think.
@Speartackle: We talking about the CW final Mnr. Spies – hehe.
Watch closely w.r.t. tackles, support runs and ruck contests. Running was limited due to cut-off defense on Green and Simelane. WP knew they do not pass readily. Backline was also standing too flat on attack. WP rucking was very good as was their positional kicking. Their game plan and execution superior to Lions on the day.
@BOG: The terms and conditions of those R63k contracts are ridiculous…worse even for 19 year olds straight out of school.Time will tell if there are a decent number of half talented desperate kids who take these up.
As for the general exodus of players e.g. the 45 departing players – we have talked through this already on this exact thread. No need to get into it again.It’s been discussed to death.There are no new views that will come from revisiting it.
@onestripe: Agree that JC is a very good player and in the run (MOM in 3 games says a lot). Think Mark Snyman from Lions is the complete package in terms of no 6 though. He should have been MOM in Lions 2nd game. I would select both for the 2 teams.
@Roger: I cannot think of any reason, and nor could those that mentioned it, think of any reason to bring a player into the team – out if nowhere. Remember that he attended no trials at all. He is not a bad player – that is not the issue. Enough time was available to bring someone from “Joburg”. Drawing someone from AW to CW is totally different story – they actually were in the mix from the start.
@Playa: You are absolutely correct- just a storm in a tea cup. There are no SA rugby players in the NH and the rumour that 45 more are leaving soon, is all in the mind. Millions of highly skilled people are fighting to get into SA and only the corrupt and incompetent are leaving. Now, I wonder why would rugby players at junior level, not do the same?
@BrotherBear: not saying I condone it – I’m sure the coaches had their reasons though. Weren’t there a few boys called from the academy team to the craven week team for yesterday’s game due to injuries? Maybe they were short and he was on stand by? He was always in the mix prior to injury.
Ek gee glad nie om as skole in die binneland spelers uit die Boland en omtrekke werf en hul beter kanse gee wat hulle nie in die WK kan kry nie. As die plaaslike skole nie die talent kan ontwikkel nie, hoekom nie. Dit verbeter ook die rugby in die noorde.
@BrotherBear: surely that cant be allowed. The replacement should have been someone on the bench. they have been playing players out of position the whole week. If not the bench, it should be a non travelling reserve. Concussion allowed enough time for someone to fly in. It will be interesting to see if he is capped. I am sure there is concerned parents whose sons did not make it that will object.su
@boerboel: Yes it was a bit strange this year. Maybe they can make up the qoutas on the wing? That being said I don’t think the WP wings was that bad. The 11 didn’t always pass when he could have but still he did OK.
@4×4: Bly om dit te hoor, dit is hoe dit moet wees. Ek het ook ‘n bekommernis oor sommige besluite wat van die skole daarbo neem veral as dit kom by werwing van arm rugby kinders hier in die kaap. Ek geniet en respekteer hulle rugby en skool en veral wat hulle in die laaste vyf jaar vermag het.
@BrotherBear: I think the Lions ten plays a lot like Hennie Le Roux. It won’t surprise me if he is moved to 12 at some stage in his career. I also think the 13 will move to 10 or 15 at some stage.
I don’t think this years CW saw a real standout player, maybe Lombard the WP 15 but I think the boys was much more evenly matched. You can probably select three or four players in some positions and it won’t make a big difference. Because there were very few standouts the selectors is going to get hammered, me thinks.
@Vastrap: if someone attacked you constantly you would react the same way. Boerboel called a good kid fat, I don’t stand back for that sort of infantile comment, maybe others do but I stand for morals & integrity.
@Stier: Djou het niks teen Affies nie, maar hy het wel issue met sekere besluitnemers by Affies en ingelyks met sekere besluite wat in die verlede geneem is.
En meeste van ons het verlief geneem met die Garsies-Affies issue en geniet ons dit om oor en weer die seuns te ondersteun as hulle rugby speel teen ander skole.
@BrotherBear: Welcome to schoolboy rugby politics. It is not the first time that this happened and I can guarantee you that it will not be the last time. Watch and learn. I cannot decide what is more sickening, this state of affairs or the constant infantile bickering of Grasshopper and boerboel.
@Roger: Lions 10 showed that he has some BMT, but needs to set his backline up better. He showed brilliant individual talent, and that is where a weakness lies as well. Both him and 13 tried to much on their own, isolating a lot of other very talented players. That is where the WP flyhalf and Freestate centres did very well (with ball in hand).
So your jested comment on KES player walking into team is a sign of condognment?
@Djou: Soos ek reeds gese het ek het Garsies nooit afgekraak nie maar soos ek ook al gevra het wys my waar het ek Garsies afgekraak. Ek wag nog steeds vir jou bewyse. Ek het ‘n verkeerde stelling oor Garsies gemaak en toe verskoning vir my stelling gevra. Die stelling het ook niks negatief op Garsies gewys nie, maar eerder ‘n sisteem gewys waar die BB skole help on kinders in die kaap te werf. Dink jy die BB het so iets gedoen vir anders skole of nie?
So julle het niks teen Affies nie? Is dit wat jy nou se, dink moon want ons kan gaan kyk wat Al op hierdie blog gese is?
As for the ref. Soos jy se die ref het die BB beroof en ek het ook al gese dat die WP te min wyn vir die ref in die finaal gegee het. Dit lyk my net die Leeus weet wat die refs by CW drink?
Gaan kyk die Leeus se eerste drie. ‘n duidelike nek rol ‘n paar fases voor die drie. Dit het reg voor die ref gebeur, oop en bloot, selfs Steve Wonder sou dit kon sien. Spellers wat van die kant inkom by rucks en die scrummie speel of nie agter die laaste voete staan nie. Ek kan nog baie noem dit was baie swak.
@BoishaaiPa: Interesting combination.Ras had a quite week by his standards,but his class showed yesterday.I had immediately relegated Simelane to the bench by the end of yesterday’s game.I would still like to see that FS 12 start together with Ras and experiment with the different combinations between the 3 of them.
On flyhalf – Green at stole my heart.Going into the week,Willemse was my favourite.Green and the Valke 10 pipped him in my view.I had never seen those two play before and they both made my eyes pop
@Djou: give that man a bells,brave comment op die blog waar die manne gereed staan om almal te slag wat negatiewe kommmentaar oor hul laaities se spanne het.Die ref in daai game het beslis bygedra tot die Bulle se frustrasie & negatiewe spel by tye,in fact, da was heelwat games wa refs,tv refs included, die kluts heeltemal kwyt was.Indien kaptein van span durf waag om vrae te vra was hulle gelooi met beslissings teen hulle.
I think to much is made of the French Selectors. If I intepret the punch up between h2o and Grasshopper correctly if even may be scouts from the Sharks….those wolfs in sheep’s clothes.
Fingers was also pointed at Jake White inferring that he is involved in the scouting issue and his stance was that they are not interested in schoolboys as real development only occur after age 21.
@BoishaaiPa: Agree with you on centre of WP being a better player than 13 of Lions. Also rate the Free State pair and the large BB centre. A lot of hype around Lions 13, but he is selfish (although very good eye for a gap). WP double marked him yesterday. Intelligent lay would have been to offload earlier or through the tackle. He kept on trying to bash through tackles. No denying that we have good talent in centres and no 10’s this year.
@BrotherBear: While you are sorting that one out, try and find out why FS was refused the request to draw a lock from their AW team as replacement@Speartackle: Where can I give you a “like”? Would be interesting to see which players the French go for. I do think that they view skills differently.
So what do the Blog members think about this move (I was quite shocked to hear about it this morning):
LIONS AW no 8 (Mom in first game) gets concussed in 2nd game and needs to sit out for final game. By chance the KES 8th man is attending the tournament, with his rugby kit. Now he did not attend any of the Lions trials, was never in contention and only recently recovered from injury. Suddenly he is included in the team for the Saturday game, above a lot of kids that did attend trials and are available (and fit). Not only that, the no 7 sustains an “injury”, is asked to come off the field and the KES no 8 completes the game. He has now earned a cap above other deserving young players, who has worked hard all season. WTF??
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes..people seem to miss the space 13 also creates with his outside swerve and well timed passes..he also rarely goes dead with a ball and has great defence…The Lions 13 is very good at exploiting space , but bar one good break was watched very closely and shut down quickly because of the danger he holds. On the day Ras was a better 13 for me but I think if you shift him to 12 with Lions 13 outside him they can create havoc as a pair….Ras will provide him with the running space he needs to do his thing. Lets see what the SA Shools selectors think.
@4X4: I believe the Helpies and Monnas and Jeppe and KES and… parents and children have a lot of time for each. Certain influences and actions from administrators and some parents are however frowned upon and comments raised. But then we generally move on.
@Bush: agreed! They don’t seem to have the money to pay a full-time selector so my idea of asking each of the top 10 school coaches to pick a side excluding their own players works for me. They have seen all the boys play so have an idea. Then the most picked in each position makes up the probables and the rest the Possibles in a trial series of three games. Players can be swapped about according to form in the series. Then the team must play a stronger team in trials eg Varsity Cup side or club under21’s. This doesn’t help the kids in rural or smaller schools but we have the CD team for that. Agree the coaches are good, I played club rugby with Mike Vowles at WOB!
@MikeSt: @Djou: Maybe Beet is also tired of his on Blog. You will never get a ref that makes you happy. Only if you on the winning side. Never heard of anybody ever complaining about a ref when winning. That’s life in the rugby world.
@Stier: Ek het my tot dusver weerhou van al jou kommentaaar, maar tog verdien dit nou bietjie reaksie.
Jy beweer “As ek kyk hoe die ouens hier op die blog mekaar looi wonder mens maar”.
Kom ek herhinner jou dat jy begin het met afbrekende kritiek oor die standaard van rugby in Pretoria en dan ook om Garsies af te kraak.
En dan verwys jy na respek – waar jyself met jou kritiek niks daarvan toon nie.
Vee eers voor jou eie deur …
En vir jou inligting – indien jy skolerugby in Pretoria goed volg sal jy weet dat die Bulle en Leeus vroeer in ‘n oefenwedstryd teen mekaar gespeel het waar die Bulle gewen het (weliswaar het albei spanne toe sonder sekere spelers gespeel maar dit is nie genoeg rede vir die groot punte-ommeswaai nie).
So, om ‘n wen na ‘n massiewe loesing om te swaai beteken dat daar afgesien van goeie afrigting by die Leeus ook “buite beheer” faktore teenwoordig moes wees. As jy werklik neutraal was sou jy gemerk het die Bulle is deur ‘n onbeholpe skeidsregter geboor in die wedstryd teen die Leeus. Byvoorbeeld, die Affieslot is afgestuur met ‘n geelkaart – omdat hy die reels nagekom het. What a joke!!! Hy het meer as ‘n meter weg gaan staan en nie meegeding vir die bal in die lug nie – soos wat die reels vereis. Die Leeuspeler spring egter in hom in en val hard op sy rug. Ek het die reels daaroor weer en weer gaan oplees en daar is geen, maar geen verwysing na ‘n geelkaart vir die tipe voorval nie.
“Law 10h): Tackling the jumper in the air. A player must not tackle or tap or push or pull the foot or feet of an opponent jumping for the ball in a line-out or in open play.
Speler het gaan staan en die heelagter het in hom ingespring.
Patetiese werk deur die TV-skeidsregter en skeidsregter – en selfs deur die kommentators wat ook nie hul reels ken nie. Dit is duidelik die skeidsregter het gesoek vir ‘n rede om iemand af te stuur pleks van “common sense” te toon en die reels toe te pas.
En met al jou rugbykennis moes jy gesien het dat die Bulle se skrum die van die Leeus van vroeg af onder druk gehad. Tog kry die Bulle al die strafskoppe teen hulle en toe die Bulle se kaptein dit later uit frustrasie vir die skeidsregter sê hy het dit verkeerd, toe loop hulle eers deur onder strafskoppe. Selfs met die 6-manskrum by hul doellyn stap hulle met die Leeuskrum, maar kry die strafskop teen hulle terwyl dit duidelik was die vasskop knak onder die druk.
En by die afbreekpunte was dit ‘n groot gemors – van die kant af inkom en speel die bal op die grond het nuwe betekenis gekry en daarmee saam is nuwe reels geskep – altans vir die wedstryd.
Uiteraard gaan dit moeilik wees om onder sulke omstandighede positief te bly en dissipline te behou.
Dit is waar dat die Bulle se dissipline hulle in die steek gelaat het en ook as ‘n buitefaktor bygedra het tot die groot loesing. Die geelkaarte vir die slot en heelagter van Garsies was regverdig, hoewel dit bygesê moet word dat dit na alle waarskynlikheid nie sou gebeur het nie indien die frustrasiefaktor weens swak reelkennis nie daar was nie.
Ons, as kykers en liefhebbers van skolerugby, is beroof van ‘n goeie wedstryd deur swak skeidsregterskap.
@Bush: Wow! now we finding each other. The boys don’t pick themselves and GW is the best rugby school (this year) in KZN. The players (2nd and 3 rd team) played first at the time of trials and were the best a the time. Post mortem is unfair. Lets move on for the good of KZN rugby. My points remain and still valid. If that results in the majority coming from one school so be it but please don’t please the populace by spreading the honour. No good, same result. I thought Kearsney had the most say in who got what. Still believe that. It is Sunday and we have to rest. So be it. Affies next.
@BoishaaiPa: @odie15: Hi, I thought the WP back three were immense. 15 is so elusive and created so much space, and to have players like 11, 13, 14 running off him is testament to the Lions defense. The No 10 really stood out for me and certainly on the day shaded Green. That being said I thought the Lions 9 had a good pass, but as the game wore on and pressure was applied his pass became more erratic with Green fielding balls at his ankles and above his head. Full marks to WP, great squad, well drilled and conditioned!
@Grasshopper: Morning. I understand the boys don’t pick themselves. I think the selectors should be separate from the coaches. Coach is a coach. The selectors should be traveling all over KZN and watching games. Taking down names and listing potential boys. The coaching staff that KZN have are bloody good, they have done well at club level and school level. It’s not a matter of a coach doing better, the system needs a change. Selection, selection, selection.
@boerboel: shows how dumb you are, look at the pic and look at the Twitter handle, same person. Head of Digital Market Intelligence at global German Market Research firm GfK needs some brains. Over feeding the troll….over and out to your comments….
@Bush: my point is the selection panel is quite fair, maybe not enough Westville representation. The boys didn’t pick themselves. I feel a few Hilton guys might be aggrieved. Not one 3rd team Glenwood player is in the AW team and those that are there have played Glenwood 1st’s during the season. I for one rate Bauer much more than Weideman & Cele than Vorster. Honestly give the job to McLeod Henderson and see if he can do better.
@Greenman: Morning Greenman, don’t believe everything Hopper prints on this blog. I don’t dislike GW, I just feel the KZN system is wrong, it is bias towards GW. If someone from GW could just explain the set up they have with KZN Rugby then maybe us outsiders will get a better understanding.
I’m sure if other teams in CW and AW and CD were dominated by 2nd and 3rd team players from one school, they would also feel our pain.
I couldn’t care a less if all 15 came from Glenwood but on merit not GW quotas, as they have the selectors, the coaches the admin etc,etc. You have it wrong that I want more MHS boys in the team, not at all. They have struggled this year and will struggle next year. If only one is deserving then that’s great. I’m not going to cry a green river. Any it’s Sunday, day of rest. Going to have a Captain now. Bon Voyage
Watched the main game again now, Moerat played very well but I actually thought Dixon played better. Great game, Lions forwards stood up well. Gianni Lombaard the difference again! He is tough wirey little guy. Well done WP, well coached! Next year will be interesting. Does anyone know where it’s being hosted?
@McCulleys Workshop: Selective reading, once again a perennial problem with my haters. I have mentioned numerous times how well I thought Richardson played, the Meyer was our best captain and lock, Pepsi played well, Curtis was solid in defence….I mean what else do you want. Richardson for me should get picked in the Academy squad. I even said Brummer, Weideman and Vorster were lucky to be there and not really good enough. I honestly do hope there is a big shake-up with KZN schools rugby and Glenwood only gets one or no selectors at all. That way when they are picked no-one can complain.
@h2o: FYI it’s phases not fases and yes teams win matches. There lies the problem, KZN gather too late and do not have enough time to gel. I see McCulley’s conveniently left out mention of any Glenwood player. Most of the Glenwood players in the AW team are grade 11 too. Anyway, getting bored of being attacked personally on a blog by people too scared to even use their real names.
@4×4: As ek kyk hoe die ouens hier op die blog mekaar looi wonder mens maar. Toe ek vir die Garsies ouers vroeer gese het ek hou van Affies was die reaksie baie negatief? Ek hou net van die skool en sy rugby dit is al. Ek het geen en het nog nooit enige verbintenis met affies gehad nie. As jy se die kinders is nie bewus daarvan nie en dit pla hulle ook nie dan is dit goed so, dit is hoe dit moet wees. Dit lyk egter nie altyd of die manne hier dit besef nie. Ek het verwys na respek vir mekaar se skole hier op die blog. Wat mens hier sien is meer as net vriendelik “banter”.
The Richardson / Prinsloo thing remains a mystery to me. To leave the incumbent out for an out of position player is wierd. Having said that, Richardson clearly could not be left out. It’s obviously not a quota issue so the only logical explanation I have is that Richardson had a cracker trial or HP had a mare (or both).
Your Kingsley comment removed the final 2.8% doubt!
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: So why are we being accused of being anti Glenwood when this is a provincial tournament and all we want is a better KZN. If you just shut up about Glenwood for 3 seconds this would be a better post for all. Rather spend more time thinking of non Glenwood players FFS. No-one is suggesting that House players should have been in the side, shake your head your brain is stuck.
@McCulleys Workshop: well said… how are we going to ensure that these u17 you have mentioned grow from strength to strength…. do we start identifying them now and improve them in the off season or do we approach schools now and look at gameplans that would be best to utilise in next years CW…..TEAMS win matches not individuals. …. I believe we just were very flat in attacking options and lacked the vision beyond 2nd and 3rd fases….. kzn certainly have the players
@GreenBlooded: I’m sure it was Bush, aka Kingsley!
To my mind Richardson has probably been the MOT (not to be confused with other MOT’s) for KZN, although I think out of position and I think Prinsloo the better choice at hooker and would have added accuracy in the lineout, and certainly needed in the scrums. However Richardson is great with ball in hand, runs into space, doesn’t lose the ball in contact, and is huge in defense. In the WP game I watched him run from from throwing in the ball at the line out (which we lost) and chasing and tackling the 12 or 13 Centre. He has great potential and hopefully won’t be discarded as Prinsloo was. ( I don’t buy the argument that Prinsloo was coming back from injury, if so why pick him for the academy side).
Crowshaw was a surprise for me, 3 steals on day one, and sorely missing against WP. He had a quieter day today. Meyer worked tirelessly. Pepsi had flashes that showed what he could do. 9 has good distribution but less good with ball in hand. Curtis was safe and had good distribution. The 11 wing was lost for pace on D against province. I understand that the DHS 8, 9, 14 and 15 are all grade 11 and should be great next year.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: hellloooo yes i am referring to you…. no problem with being passionate but being obsesive compulsive and neverending…. you need help
@Greenman: the sooner you accept that you are part of the problem with KZN schools rugby the sooner it will go better…. no one arguing it is my opinion and if you dont like it so be it…. just stating facts
@h2o: I know you referring to me and I don’t force anything down anyone’s throat. I’m just passionate, sue me. Make the whole side Westville & House for all I care I’ll still support Glenwood…
@h2o: and Bush: no use debatting with you. as obsessed as Grashopper is about GW as obsessed your hatred of G W is. Your comments re fdrodgative and off no substance. I prefer not to comment on remarks thbeat might be directed at me. my right!
Hopper this is your comment 211 from the U20 thread “Grasshopper on 21 June, 2016 @ 09:21
@BrotherBear: Our locks looked pathetic too, Moerat should have been there even though he is still at school…Eloff too…”
Your lauding and blind overt promotion of certain players as if it is part of your social media career, (and your life or Glenwoods success depends on it) does you, your alma mater and the players no good in this forum. We all see through it. Stop leopard crawling across the lawn in your day glo outfit, we all can see you coming. Moerats shadow had your number today. And yet you other bloggers feel sorry for Grasshoppers protege, whose Dad is on the blog, what about Moerats family! Hopper you cause the kak, sadly we respond.
@h2o: My opsomming vam Stier se kommentaar is dat die man geniet om kontroversieele aanmerkings te maak om reaksie uit te lok. Is Theo van Rensburg nie ook betrokke by Westville se strukture nie?
@4×4: my kommentaar was meer sarkasties gerig op stier se blog aan jou en jou antwoord ….. ek val glad nie bb aan nie en glo dat julle net n afdag teen leeus gehad het…. snaaks hoe hy nou kan se daar is probleme in a kamp na 1 verloor en ander unies van leeus kan leer
@h2o: Het nie gesien dat ek enige verskonings getender het vir die Bulle se pakslae teen die Leeus nie? As jy rugby en veral skole rugby volg sal die uitslag van die Bulle-Vrystaat wedstryd ‘n redelike verassing wees vernaam gesien in die lig dat die span oorheers word deur Grey skoliere en Grey het hierdie jaar met Affies en Garsies afgereken dus is die verwagting ook geskep dat hulle die Bulle gemaklik behoort te wen….
@4×4: dit lyk my nou sekere spanne is “hollier than thow” en is vinnig om vinger te wys wanneer dinge blyk sleg gaan in ander kampe…. die geheim wat sommige nog nie het nie is on nederig te bly in wen of verloor….geluk aan albei Leeus en WP….. bulle ovs pumas sharks ens. is blykbaar net daar om die onreinheid en swakhede in rugby uit te wys volgens sommige bloggers…. ons praat van skoolseuns en ek glo daar is net 1 ding op hulle agenda en dit is om rugby te speel…. anders as mans wat hulle egos nou streel….
@Stier: it is not sbout winning, then absolutely. Then what we saw is what you going to get. he deserves to be there, find him a spot somewhere. he has talent. Please, who remembers anof the gwmames sharks played against BB, WP and Lions in years to come. My personal view off cause. you entitled to yours.
@Bush: not sure grapes! please, just move on. Facts and the more you would like to spread around thr cake, the more you will see these results. Know you still on about GW and it scews your better judgement. i dont mind if they pick 15 Michael house boys. As long as you do the basics right. My points remain valid.
@Stier: Do you suggest that Helpies and Monnas are amicable towards one another? As to the Pretoria Schools…The Bulls Team has been dominated by Garsies and Affies Pupils…and if you put a 70 pointer against the Free State I cannot induce any of ther so called disrespect you referring to. I believe that the Bulls Team will once again be dominated by Garsies and Affies Pupils in 2017.
@h2o: I agree wholeheartedly. If Sharks Rugby do not sort this mess out i am afraid the team KZN sends to these rugby weeks will always suffer against better or more fairly picked sides. i spoke to some of the boys and they said that it was a hectic week with a lot of disparity between some of the boys. A happy camp is a winning camp but their is a lot of animosity between the players and it was visible from the side. Both the Academy and Craven week sides should have won today but the boys did not play together until the end
@MikeSt: Jy is 100% reg…die manne het gekombineer en Blou Bulle Rugby gespeel….hoop ons sien nog baie daarvan!!!! En jy weet mos wat sê due Affies Seuns…’n Affie gly nou en dan…maar hulle val nooit nie!
@Stier: sometimes the hate is not towards all schools more like us getting fed up by one blogger forcing one school down our throats…. sharks rugby has a huge deficit wrt developping… identifying and preparing for youth weeks…. but unfortunately the more dominant school seems te be ruling the setup instead of a collective goal driven plan by kzn schools to start performing instead of adding CW representatives on their cv….
How do you expect the Sharks to win anything if you guys are more interested in fighting each other than helping each other so the Sharks can win?
I find it interesting how the Sharks and BB schools don’t seem able to work together. Don’t you guys respect each others schools? Other unions might have the same problem but on this blog it has become very clear to me that those two unions schools don’t like or respect each other. Helpies, Monnas and Jeppie should be a example for you guys. Never mind the cape schools.
@Rainier Vermaak aka AKW: selfde sentiment as jy oor wat hier aangaan. Al 4 jaar op die blog en die kak wat hier aangaan is skokkend. Soos rugbymal gese het wonder hoeveel is regtig kenners.
@Speartackle: Jammer die game is nie uitgesaai nie. Ek neem aan as die Bulle Garsfontein Rugby gespeel het dan het die pak seker Affies Rugby gespeel om te sorg vir oorgenoeg balbesit. Lyk my as die Affies en die Garsies die slag click en kombineer dan is daar moeilikheid.
Somewhere in Kzn there is a young boy tonight, tall and still growing into his skin with some baby fat. He has a lot of potential and will be great next year.
He did not select himself to any team, showed no malice in the way he played his rugby and sure as hell does not deserve to be called fat or demeaned as a “superman” lock by adults (and I use that term in the loosest terms) on a blog that is supposed to celebrate schools rugby.
Maybe Rugbymal is right, the vitriol here steals my joy completely……
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: from what i see academics at gw as gloomy as their rugby – a more bluecollar environment. Good for Sa. We need the boilermakers,fitters and turners etc
@Bush: fyi it’s Moerat not Borat. I think 3 from KZN could make the Academy side, Richardson, Van Rooyen & Holtshauzen. I hope the young lock reads this and proves you wrong…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Just a small kick while you are down. Your superman lock knowwhere near to Borat from Province not even close. He can have another 10 years in KZN Schools Rugby. He can become the next Thom then maybe he could compete against Borat. Not one KZN player deserves the thought of making SA Schools. Okay maybe 1 player I could think of would be the 11 wing. Hold that one Hopper before you roll your polony he’s from GW
@Bush: again, provide answers and not just throw your toys out the cot because the system doesn’t suit you. They tried to make the selection process more fair with more representation from all schools. Tell us how it should be. I want no Glewood coaches or selectors at all, then when we fail again at least it can’t be blamed on that. Why don’t they just make McLeod Henderson the coach for next year and see what happens. Our under16’s made the GK final so we have the players for the next 2 years. Unfortunately for you many are from Glenwood…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Wake up you moose. The system may work for your school and for you. It’s not working for KZN.
H2O didn’t watch AW, you are correct they did very well. Can only imagine how well they would have done with 1st Team Boys????????????
@Greenman: point no 3 crap!!!! If you have lo k that is to big lift…. stupid excuse how do they lift Moerat?…. why choose him…. if your other lock gives away 3-6 penalties a game…. why choose him? If the hooker is not the best hooker? What then? Choose the best boys in each position and practise your game plan… Sharks failed to prepare and prepared to gail…
@Speartackle: nee jy is geklap! Vir eenkeer het ons n bietjie struktuur gespeel. 2 dinge was anders: manne het as n span gespeel en ouens het vir n slag elkeen sy primere werk goed gedoen
@Bush: i beg to differ …. did you see any of the AW games? They lost the final game against a very strong Lions game by 1 try….. 2 wins 1 loss. There were players like King #1. Prinsloo#2. Bauer#4. Barnard#5. O Niel#8. Athembe#7. Ngubane#9. Coetzee#10. Conradie#15. Kruger #13 who played very well during the week and in hindsight would have improved the CW side…… maybe look at why those boys were left out in the beginning….
@odie15: Maybe, my uncle always talks about how Natal beat WP 12-9 in the first Craven Week, where he scored all the points. Old Doc Craven came over to him and shook his hand! Good old days ?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: HEHEHE you amusing….Yes Natal derbies might be few years older. But like the 100 years it took the Banana boys to win the Currie cup it took as long for us to hear about them…..Maybe you should’ve been born 30 to 50 years earlier.
@Bush: and replace them with House boys, then KZN would have kopped over 100 in each game. I ask you a simple question, which school in KZN is strongest this year? There were 7 Glenwood players max in the team at any given point. Van Rooyen, Vorster, JJ, Brummer, Maduna, Holtzhausen & Lubbe. Vorster only came on as a replacement & same with Weideman. Brummer too was a replacement. Please tell me who out of these guys should have played instead of them? Your hatred for Glenwood is clouding your vision.
@Greenman: I think the idea behind CW is to give the best “talent” in our country a chance to show their stuff. Although we as supporters, players and coahing staff want our team to win it is not just about winning. It will be very unfair to leave any player out just because he doesn’t play in a strong combination at his school. If he is the best in his position he must be given a oppertunity . Will you be happy if they select the SA u/18 team on that basis after CW?
Greenman, sounds like sour grapes. KZN union needs to ensure all their players don’t come out of 1 single school. For both the CW and AW sides. KZN was a joke. Lucky Shapiro wasn’t watching the KZN side, would make a great cartoon for his paper.
Geluk aan die WP se AW span wat 23-12 teen die BB gewen het in die finaal. Dit maak dit dan o/13 a en b en o/18 AW en CW champs. Jammer oor die GK span wat op ‘n Boland skil gegly het. Steeds, die WP spanne het net een wedstryd verloor in vyf comps as ek dit reg het. Baie geluk seuns en afrigters.
Well done to both WP and Lions. Speed the determining factor with a quick ball from loosies. Rugby very healthy north and south but east big problem!
Time to blame the selectors and coaches. My take.
1. Dont select players who you are going play out of position just because you cant leave him out-You did Richardson no favour.
2. Pick hooker snd two locks from same school. They need to know each other and you need a season for that not 3 weeks. Same goes for flyhalf and scrummie.
3. Passing the ball should be a must not a novelty. Teached that to your centres as learned from WP.
4. When you not big dont play with your forwards. Clean,Quick ball and speed.
5. Dont invite 150 players to trials. you will never pick up the talent in such short time. Visit school games and get better aquanted with players potential.
6. Gameplans not kept to. If not, get a captain that has strategy as a subject.
7. if we have to play 50% AA then go and fetch them now from the soccer fieldse
Close game, maar baie foute. Ek dink net die WP moet volgende jaar meer wyn vat of ‘n ref kry wat wel wyn drink. Nek rol, met skouer clean, deur die hek in kom by die rucks en laaste voete is iets waarvan hierdie ref nog nooit gehoor het nie. Albei spanne is benadeel deur hierdie swak ref. Mens sou dink ‘n CW finaal sou deur ‘n top ref geblaas word.
@nooit, jou span het my lekker laat naels kou, daai 10 van julle is ‘n yster maar doen dalk net bietjie te veel op sy eie.
Sorry maar Ras het Simelani oorskadu. Die seun is sterk en wen meters al is die defense op hom. Sardyn moes van die begin af gespeel het, hy het ‘n groot verskil gemaak by die rucks. Uys is Uys, Bios beter hom stil hou Augustus.
Ek moet se ek was heel beindruk hoe die WP skrum gehou het. Die Leeus het ook by die lynstaan nie ‘n idee gehad nie. Dalk ken hulle nie wind nie maar Moerat hulle het dit maklik gehad en hulle daar dood gemaak. Laat mens dink aan die 2007 WC toe Matfield en co die Rose ook in die lystaan pak gegee het. Slot speel gaan oor meer as net stampkar wees.
Welgedaan aan altwee spanne julle was die twee top spanne by CW 2016 maar WP bly bo vir nou.
Was a close final…Second half Lions got one better in the scrums..well done WP and Lions…could see the boys were tired after tough week….last 10 minutes full of mistakes by both teams.
@BOG: Ek hoop jy het gekyk…2de helfte het ons “fetcher” opgekom en 3 turnovers gekry en 2 penalties vir sy span..en dit het nie soos Brugstraat gelyk nie.
Typical hard final. Wind complicated matters. Well done WP. Not sure that any of the other teams will have competed this well against WP. Brilliant scrummaging Lions.
@Pinotage: Dit is presies my punt- die “politieke korrekte” keuses. En wat ek probeer se is dat dit sekere streke meer raak as ander. Maar rugby word hierdeur vernietig in SA, en ek glo dat die tou vir daardie 20 plekke in Frankryk, baie lank sal wees. En ek verdink hulle gladnie@Playa: You did say the other day that your eyes get groggy by the 2nd or 3rd sentence in Afrikaans, and with this comment, you proved it. I did not blame the ref. I blamed the selection system
@Losbal: Net as jy die kenners vra. Liefhebbers het dalk ook gedink dat WP Lions n goeie finaal behoort te wees. Nie goeie game nie, maar twee beste spanne van die week.
WP nr 20? Regtig.
Muller Uys WP se beste voorspeler.
Lombard beste agterspeler.
Lions 14 great.
Nie goeie final, maar ten minste is beste 2 spanne in finaal.
Behoort close te eindig.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Yeah, I guess after 100 odd years, the novelty kinda wears off. Would be nice .if we had your “special” down here in the Cape.
@Stier: I’ve been to two Paarl derbies, big but lack something special you get in KZN. Hilton vs Michaelhouse, College vs Glenwood, College vs DHS, Glenwood vs Westville. Anyway, enjoy being up on that pedestal….arrogance must be one of humans worst traits. Well played Pumas, close game!
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Then you obviously went to the wrong games. Bios high vs Gim biggest schoolboy derby probably in the world never mind SA. But OK if there is bigger games in KZN well done just a pity nobody in the rest of the country knows about it. Shame on you DSTV!!!!!!
@Stier: like 5 years ago when KZN beat WP 23-21, those sorts of years. I lived in Cape Town for 2 years and attended quite a few games in Paarl, Stellenbosch & Cape Town, not bad gees but doesn’t come close to the atmosphere in KZN derbies. WP by sheer numbers will always be good! WP must have 5 times the number of players KZN has….if not more….
Soos ek al gese het hulle moet CW los en streeks toernooie hou. Vier strekke en elke provinsie kies twee spanne vir sy streek toernooi. Dan kies hulle by elke streek toernooi twee spanne en hulle speel ‘n toernooi. Amper soos sevens, ‘n knockout komp. met cup, plate ens.
@BOG: Ek het myself daarvan weerhou om enige kommentaar hier te lewer agv persoonlike redes. Daar kan GEEN verskonings gesoek of aangevoer word vir die powere vertoning van Vrystaat vandag nie. Hand in eie boesem steek is die enigste konstruktiewe oplossing. Polities korrekte keuses het n manier om jou uit te vang.
I am not arrogant, it is a fact. The level of rugby at school is totally different to anything I have ever seen in Gauteng. Just the other day I and a friend were talking, some of our under 13 boys would have played around 35 games by the end of this season. Our primary school season only ends in early September. Yes there will be years when the WP won’t be the top team but they will almost always be up there giving the best teams a run for their money.
@BoishaaiPa: Wat vandag met die Vrystaat gebeur het, verduidelik perfek wat ek bedoel dat sommige spanne/streke met n handicap speel. As die span op volle sterkte is, kan dit gaan, maar sodra daar n paar beserings is onder die sleutelspelers, dan is dit n fiasko. Daar is geen diepte in die span nie, en dan kry mens nog boonop n sinnelose besluit soos die waarna Chief hier bo verwys. Die stelsel bly steeds vrot en aanduidings is dat dit nog vrotter gaan word vorentoe. Julle sal nog moontlik in die Ooskaap moet gaan werf.
@BoishaaiPa: Sardyn en Vian het all baie spanne hierdie jaar laat wonder hoe ‘n bal so vinnig kan wegraak. Volgende jaar gaan hulle nog meer skade veroorsaak.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Yes the Sharks grade 11 boys will remember the loss to WP. Just remember there is some awesome WP grade 11 kids that you don’t even know about. Bios high’s under 16 no.8 broke his arm before GK and he is a monster. This kid is big and he can run around wingers with his speed, so don’t worry next year WP will once again field a competitive team.
There is to many good rugby schools in the cape for them not be up there competing with the best. Then coaching, people don’t realize what level of coaching you get at schoolboy level in the WP. Slapchips, Deon Carstens, Dawie Snyman, Pierre Ribbons, Louis Koen, Brendon Venter and many more are helping or helped at the schools here. Most people from up country can’t even comprehend how big the rugby is in the cape. Moving from Gauteng to the Cape was a massive shock. The rugby down here is huge and the coaching on a different level. So good luck with next year but if I were you I won’t bet my house on the Sharks giving the WP a good klap anytime soon.
Nooit jy moet asb. die scores gooi as jy kan, dankie man.
@Speartackle: en jy weet mos ons WP manne word altyd bevoordeel want ons ry orals met kiste en kiste wyn rond vir al die beamptes…en die rugby wat die outjies speel is alles net omdat hulle so baie bevoordeel word en het absoluut niks met talent of afrigting te doen nie!
@Speartackle: Iemand het gister genoem dat die Bulle Donderdag gelyk het of hulle nie lekker weet of hulle Affie of Garsie rugby moet speel nie toe speel hulle maar Vrede rugby….
@BOG: Ek neem ook aan jy het al die ander Boishaai games gekyk wat in Riversdal, Kimberley, Jhb en George gespeel is om daardie stukkie inligting oor ons fetcher so te kan ontleed.
@BOG: Jy soek nog steeds die fout by almal anders behalwe voor jou ou eie deur..en as jy Maandag gekyk het sou jy gesien het dat hy weer baie effektief was by afbreekpunte….ek maak nie die reels nie en sal nie weet nie…miskien seker omdat jy net n beperkte aantal kan opbring uit die AW en OVS het alreeds 2 ?…ek glo daar sal n logiese verklaring wees, maar kom ons wag vir die offisiele verduideliking voordat almal weer op hol gaan met halwe inligting.
@BoishaaiPa: Seker dieselfde ref as by Brugstraat? Ek sien dat WP se “fetcher” hoeka nie so skerp is op n neutrale veld nie. En miskien moet jy Chief se vraag hierbo beantwoord. Of is dit te vertroulik?
@Hooit: is dit agv ‘n program wat verander het dat DSTV herhalings uitsaai…….het regtig uitgesien na paar games…..SWD het blykbaar hul bure ook ore aangesit….
@Muzi: what do you say now mr know-it-all?Some of your comments on this blog towards the Bulls CW team,officials and individual players just show you are a “teemgat”.Jy kan nou die res van die dag op die treinspoor gaan speel.
@GreenBlooded: i think he is a very good player but he is not a hooker in my opinion. Had a good week but i 1st saw him at Kearsney and he was brilliant there.
@BOG: Ou Boggie…jy en daai kundiges van jou moet miskien maar weer gaan koukus lyk dit my….ek hoop van harte dit gaan beter in die 2de helfte met jou spannetjie.
Tell me more about Richardson – how has his week been? Sadly I’ve been stuck up at Kusile Power Station this week and haven’t been able to make any of the games. Remember he is only U17 and in Gr 11.
Raai wat vriendin, verrassings hou aan kom na OFS se kant toe. Binne senter Rikus Pretorius sit vandag uit, OFS mag nie Jaco Wessels van Akademie Week optrek soos WP se Wian Van Niekerk wat vandag begin vir WP by CW nie? Sal laaik vir iemand om dan te verduidelik hoekom SA Rugby sê ons mag nog twee stutte kies van Akademie Week? Maar nie ‘n Backline ou soos ons kort nie?
A couple of years back I reffed the House 3rds (or was it 2nds?) against Kearsney. There was a House supporter fitting your description sitting on the far end of the bleachers on Meadows give the KC players the gears (nothing hectic – just some chirping). Instead of ignoring the oke, the KC players took the bait and responded – even asking me to intervene. Probably lost them the game. Was it you? The same day the KC okes spewed their guts at ou Andrew Nicholson who reffed the main game where KC also lost.
@Playa: @Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: there’s something different about Salmaan that outsiders won’t know. Last year most probably most aggressive players in country. Combination with Ruben de Villiers was monstrous. Allowed him to be more time to smash and do the graft. This year he needs to be more measured as a captain which I thought would be the case giving it to him. There’s no lock that has meshed well with this year yet but a minor in view of the future. I keep waiting for the sparkle we hear of week in and out. Your go to line of JJ being only grade 11 as default status amuses me. I will wait for the domination I have been promised next year.
Time to leave this circus. This is utterly fn pathetic. How many scores team performance post were done latelty. How many comments on the smaller unions as those boys love rugby even more than city rats. But yet no one even talk about them.
Only comments of guys that think they know the game but actually know sweet nothing. Call this rather the frustrated old man shit talking blog as you guys are a disgrace to the adult community of schoolboy rugby.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Aahh….typical Grassy response. Go off a tangent when the debate is not to your satisfaction.I did say I’m not an expert on locks,it would have been great if you rather educated me if I’m getting this wrong.My little Dale side is kind of over being manhandled by JJ it’s a distant memory now.
For your info – my intention was not to degrade JJ but rather point out an inconsistency on your part.Your bias clouds your judgement.JJ is a great player.Great players do get outplayed by other great players from time to time,sometimes even by average players.This of course doesn’t make sense in Grassy Park.
Dale Boys – 4 in CW Border: no 10, 13, 15, 18.
– 2 in CW Border CD
– 4 in AW
Total 10
Ex-Dale Boy in Craven week
– 2 BB no. 20 and 14
– 2 EP CD no. 13 and 15
– 1 EP no. 8
– 2 KZN no. 9 and 15
Total 7
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: grassfixation. I will make you a deal. Since you have already come out of the closet by revealing your name why not post a photograph proving your gargauntian 1.95 m frame. If you do i will leave this forum.
@Playa: Yes Playa you know it all it seems, probably never played lock in your life. I have my opinion and you yours. JJ manhandled your little Dale side, it was poetry in motion…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Man for man I can tell you for free that he outplayed him.There were even two one on one situations between them as well with Salman winning both.It’s one game,doesn’t define anything for sure.
I have had the sense that JJ has been made ‘godlike’ and here you have an ‘unspectacular’ player that humanized him.I don’t think you’re doing any justice to Salmaan’s talent but instead are making excuses for JJ.The kid will come right there’s no need for you to devise a formula to build an Ivan Drago out of him.
@AbsolutMenlo: @Hooit: When I speak of a handicap, I do not refer to individual players or present incumbents- I refer to the system and the rules. Certain regions are able to select on merit, while others, where the preferred choice of sport is not rugby, are compelled to manipulate and include players who do not even represent their schools 3rd team. Does that sound reasonable? Having said that, I have no doubt that all the players who are in the teams, will give their all and very best. But that does not mean that an unjust SYSTEM, should be ignored. Is that really so difficult to understand? If you can truly say that every player at CW, AW, and GK are there on merit, I withdraw, but you know the honest answer to that. @boerboel: Lyk vir my jy is nog op vrye voete eerder as by die SPCA, waar jy hoort, vir berading, ontvlooiing en n groom. Mag jou paaie kruis met n hondetende Sjinees en jy eindig as sy Sondagmiddagmaaltyd.
@Playa: it did count, not sure he outplayed JJ as an individual, the WP pack as a whole outplayed KZN in the 1st half, 2nd half more even. Remember he is a year and a bit older than JJ. Also, currently JJ is used as a ball carrier and not tight enough. If he is coached properly in the next year he should tighten up and do more lineout work using his height. A year at this level is huge! Salmaan did the basics well and dived over for an easy try. He is just not in a JD Schickerling league yet. Salmaan carries his power in his upper body and JJ in his lower body. So JJ just needs some upper body work to catch up and pass Salmaan……5 to 10kg weight loss too for JJ will make him immense. He is already the 6th fastest over 50m in the Glenwood team, just behind the backs.
@odie15: Im not an expert on locks but i stopped taking different views on Salmaan seriously after one blogger compared his style of play to that of Victor Matfield.Even I could tell that this was a blunder of a comparison.
Having watched the young man over the last year and a half,he has a few things going for him….he oozes leadership,he’s physical,knows when to be loose and when to be tight,and he controls his forwards well on defence…something most people won’t realise.Sure he’s not a superstar,but superstar locks are scarce at this level anyway.
Grassy – does the fact that he outplayed JJ on Wednesday not count for anything?
@GreenBlooded: Eish I could never live this one down.KERF 2017….I will not make the same mistake twice!
@Bush: I’m not one to easily pass on a free beer or 10.Youll never get an excuse to miss out on that – and the jesrey im hiding behind is testimony .I just happen to be 1400km away from Bothas Till today.
@boerboel: you talking about yourself there, kortbroek! What’s it like down there. Classic sign of an Internet troll, nerd trying to come across like something they not….
@boerboel: hey wankerboel lets meet and you can see for yourself, but you too blerrie kak scared to even nail your colours to a post you won’t do that. Morrissey is a band, quite a good one. It’s an Irish celtic tribal name with a long history you will never understand…
@odie15: watch him closely, does basics nothing spectacular but maybe that is his role. I played lock a few times at under 20 level hence always watch them closely, he’s good but not godlike like some WP supporters say he is. WP are good but we will see how good today against a pack that can match them. The grade 11 boys in the KZN pack will remember that loss next year…
@BoishaaiPa: @Grasshopper: so looking back on comments in last 5 months and this week. We were told by few over while that Salmaan is reason why Boishaai is on top in country. Then we told that he isn’t as good as others locks in CW. So does this mean the team is good or are we just saying anything on different days to make ourselves feel better?
@Bush: his height as stated by the little nerd. He mention height and weight in the majority of his post. Tell tale of some “size issues”. ??? 1.65 m max is my guess
@GreenBlooded: Thanks for the heads up, I can see Playa is already making excuses. He’s hiding behind his Dale jersey. He must bring his wife with. At least we will have someone to talk too
@BOG: ai ou boggie jou ou ovs/grey spannetjie is waar hulle hoort. Speel die dou af vir die groot spanne. Hulle het 2swak spanne gewen. “Flat track bullies”
If you are planning on waiting in the beer tent for Playa – best to check with his missus if he has been issued with a day pass. It could end up a long and blurry afternoon.
@BoishaaiPa: Daar is natuurlik n hele paar kundiges wie dink dat dit dit eintlik die Lions en Vrystaat is wie in die hoofwedstryd moes speel- besonders as daar in ag geneem word dat beide hierdie spanne met n “handicap” moet speel. En “my spannetjie”, soos jy neerhalend na hulle verwys, het kwalik met hulle sterte tussen hulle bene teruggekeer na die vlaktes. Hulle het inderdaad verloor op die dag, maar as daar n paar dinge in gedagte gehou word, was dit maar met n klein punteverskil.En verloor, soos jy sekerlik oor die jare sal kan getuig, is nou en dan goed vir die opvoedingsproses.
@BOG: Ja ou Bog..dis maklik om sulke stellings te maak as jou spannetjie nie teen WP hoef te speel nie..al wat ek weet is dat jou hele skool Paarl toe gekom het en stert tussen die bene terug gestuur is vanjaar vlaktes toe..en daar is net 8 van hulle in die WP span..
Jeez – what is with all the manne outing themselves and making such a big deal about it? Ou Star and I did it jonks ago – still the only 2 up till now with the stones to do it.
@Djou: PJ’s discipline was shocking..Bulls looked like they didn’t want to play against the lions…..if they go into that game against the Cheetahs with that kind of attitude they will get a can of super whoop ass……
@Muzi: You should watch more games and you will note he is not afraid to tackle. And PJ is one of the kindest persons on earth. Before you try and humiliate a boy, make an attempt to know him. We will see tomorrow if your prediction of a FS win will play out. Obviously I will be delighted but let’s see whether you are a real expert. And please read the house rules again.
@Muzi: Another unnecessary comment from you Muzi.It’s really disappointing to have an adult make such disingenuous comments about a schoolboy.It must be a sad life to sit and think up such things.
@Ringo: Unfortunately race still plays a big role in some unions. Look at the Bulls CW. The black flyhalf must play wing and so does the centre. So why don’t the selectors play the white players out of position and give the black players a chance to showcase their talent. The answer is because they still view the black players to be inferior. It is to say the least disgusting and also shows that a cleansing proces is necessary.
@AbsolutMenlo: Do you really think that Im that naive to believe that everybody would support my views? In fact, I would be surprized if there is ANYONE here, who is supported by everyone. And what makes you think that I do not support all SBR players? Have I ever made a disparaging remark about a particular player? No, I have not. Im tolerant of a wide range of opinions, but what does piss me off, is if a person thinks his brand or version of talking crap, is intellectually superior to my crap or any other persons crap for that matter.If you have a writers award in mind, you are on the wrong place.
May all the teams have a memorable and injury free day tomorrow and may the best team(s) win, particularly the Free State.
@BOG: Never crossed my mind that you will depart … only making a point that not everybody support your views especially on this blog SBR where we are supposed to support ALL schoolboy rugby players.
@Bush: no, I’m 6’4 so he is not much taller than me, his legs are about as thin as my wrist though! Well the Boks are so kak that wouldn’t be a huge achievement really
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Did you roll your polony after you realized how tall he was???? 6th Team from GW in AW bar is too low, more like Springbok Team.
Watching Sharks Ix vs Valke, 5 Glenwood old boys involved. Warren Potgieter & Dean Muir for Valke & Morne Joubert, Kerron Van Vuuren and Marawana for the Sharks. Good to see ?
Off topic, walked past Hyron Andrews at Kearsney. He is about 6foot7 but can’t weigh more than 100kg, like a beanstalk. How he copes in senior rugby only God knows!
@Muzi: None of the unions, due to financial constraints, can do that anymore. They have admitted this publically. The golden goose is losing weight- rapidly.
Barend Van Graan & that meat ball Xander Janse Van Rensburg should rather invest the money in developing and searching for quality coaches at all levels instead of wasting money on signing 40-45 Under 18 players every damn year…..
Die gebabbel oor transformasie en watter spelers waar hoort is eintlik net ‘n mors van tyd en energie want nie een van julle kan iets aan span keuses doen nie. Nou word almal kwaad vir mekaar en beskuldigings word heen en weer gespuug met ‘n titsel bitter gal daarby. Genade mens sal sweer julle is kinders, Is dit die beste voorbeeld wat julle vir julle kinders kan stel? Veroordeel en oordeel, net soos ek nou doen, laat my wonder…wie sê jou standaard is reg?
Ek persoonlik gaan nie eers die moeite doen om die Craven Week verder te kyk nie want julle het my so negatief oor skolerugby dat ek my seuns gaan oorreed om eerder ‘n sport te kies om aan deel te neem en rugby te los.
I hope Simelane doesn’t become another “fraud” after school….we all know what happened to another school boy prodigy @13…..Mjekevu was a beast at KES but look what happened to his rugby career……
I was blown away by that big Grey College 12….the sky is the limit for this lad….Rikus Pretorius is an outstanding player….he could play Super Rugby in the next few years…..crazy talent……
@Speartackle: Weet jy al watter top 20 spelers is oppad Frankryk toe na skool? R55,000 pm, al is dit omskep in Euros, motor- selfs linkerstuur en akkommodasie, is nie te versmaai vir n jong mannetjie nie. Weet egter nie of ek met daai bronne veel in rugby belang sou gestel het nie. Frans aanleer, beslis.
Green against Willemse sounds like a tasty clash….one would hope the both of them don’t end up looking like Curwin “Earl Rose” Bosch especially defensively…..
@Speartackle: Na hierdie “huldeblyk” van jou, is ons seker nou quits na my traanbesaaide relaas oor jou, n paar jaar gelede.Ou@AbsolutMenlo: is maar nuut en hy probeer nog gatkruip waar hy kan. Hy sukkel maar ook met die leeswerk, en dan is hy nog boonop moerig omdat die BB so sleg gespeel het. Nou sal ek hom spite en bly. En as hy verder moeilikheid soek, sal ek vir hom n ekonomiese en politieke vooruitsig gee. En dit nadat die VS vir hulle op hulle moer gegee het. En die mannetjie in die Kaap kan bly wees dit is nie teen hulle nie, want dan het hy en n renoster weer resies gejaag na n bottel Red Heart- uit verdriet.
Nee wat ou Bog is al deel van SBR nog lank voor van julle al geFrikkie het. Dit sal bitter oninteressant wees sonder hom. Ek dink die wat hom nie kan verdra is maar jaloers op sy geweldige rugby en algemene kennis….agter all hy is n GOB……..Blerrie Oud Grey………Bekwame Oud Grey…….Bedonderde Oud Grey of Beloved Old Grey…….noem hom wat jy wil maar ou Bog bly maar koning van SBR.
I honestly believe that rugby should be left to itself. There are sufficient players of quality to ensure that a representative team(s) is selected. BUT then we need to get rid of quotas. I read this morning that there must be a 50-50 representation in the SA squad. That is a quota which in turn means that somewhere along the line players (white or black) need special dispensation to make the team. That is an insult. Until we get rid of quotas we will be stuck with the perception that some players in a squad get there because of considerations other than there sporting ability.
@BOG: You were right about einie mienie. No doubt FS should have been playing better sides and been in the “semis”. It would have been great to see them up against WP or Lions. I’m not sure how they get the draw right though, as so much can change in a season especially in the smaller unions etc. So I’m not sure what relevance last year is, but the fact is FS are rarely weak.
@Bush: Boys are unbelievably good been cutting apart teams for the past 5 years only lost 4 games in age group rugby for Jeppe and less than 10 in opens only 2 this year and in fact last year when we lost to Kes Green was injured and Wandi was in stellenbosch as part of the U18 SA A team.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: generally these boys have had us in awe all season and most of their high school careers. In my biased opinion these two Jeppe boys are preordained future boks
@Ringo: @Ringo: Thanks, the two boys from Jeppe (10 and 13) have been amazing at CW. They must have cut other teams apart in JHB. I’m so keen for the final tomorrow. The two teams play different styles of the game so its going to be good.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: I apologise if I seem to be accusing you of anything I am definitely not.
Just inferring from the number of occasions that I have been told on this platform that certain opinions are shared by the majority.
@Bush: no race war is being started by me…. I promise you I never want to comment on anything other Kes Jeppe on this blog however I can’t help it if I pick up a threads with undertones of racial bias and history denialsm.
But anyway I apologise if offended anybody other than racist.
I do however wish to stress that I mean to offend all racists and their pre concived notions on who loves and watches rugby
@Ringo: I think you fuel the fire on hatred of certain race groups. I don’t believe at all that any of the players of colour that are at CW are disadvantaged or underprivileged. If they are how did they get to CW and AW. You will soon see that been coloured in SA will not be African enough. I’m sure the majority of us on this blog want the best for SA Rugby and School Rugby no matter colour or race. Give the political messages a miss and lets rather focus on the rugby and how well the boys are doing.
Do you remember WP League that use to enter a side in Craven Week during the 80/90’s amazing side with fantastic players. I watch them at Craven Week 1990 and was amazed that they played such great rugby. Never did I ever sit there thinking that they are Coloureds playing a WHITE MAN’S game. I was 17 then. Sport is a barrier breaker not a separator
@BoishaaiPa: Your comment smirks a bit of false modesty. WP are incredibly strong, hope its not a blowout and in the end Rugby is the winner both teams are deserving, it should be a marvellous game.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Calling any of the players selected not just the ones we rate highly quotas is the shameful act. The boys do not pick themselves for these weeks and I trust put in immense effort to try compete at these weeks however maybe come up short.
However I genuinely believe with the right effort from all stakeholders if rugby is grown organically in the grassroots rural and township areas we would have a lot more Moerats, Giannis, Wandis, Mannis, Curwins and many others.
However there is a certain group of people and it seems they are the majority on this blog who seem to believe that the colour of your skin is the predetermining factor in terms of where your potential may take you and while these people are still the majority of rugby decision makers the racially determined minimum number of players requirements will persist (while it is a very populist and short term fix to wider societal problems) it is currently the only means we have to force these decision makers to look at players who they would have never seen and they are forced to open doors to communities that in these peoples minds never thought were interested in rugby and you know what it has unearthed some gems while at it too ( like a kid from Soweto who has been dazzling rugby lovers in the midlands this past week).
The caveat is that many have such high levels of hatred towards certain races that they would rather front/window dress and use ill prepared people for high roles so that they can make sweeping statements about the rugby playing ability of an entire race or say look how they have failed; and in that we find the genesis of the quota: be it rugby player or accountant
@Speartackle: Spear Toti don’t need a lover they need fighters.
Some games AW are been played at Kearsney and Glenwood. Final games at Kearsney AW 13h35, Glenwood AW 12H50
Give me a call if your Bantam breaks down, will tow you easy with my Toyota
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: With the team you choose, consideration could also be players that can play more than one position. JJ can play 8, I would look at the Free State 13 as he can play wing. Fly Half that could move Full Back. Things like that, will make your bench stronger.
@Speartackle: Morning Spear, have you found a lift from Toti to Botha’s Hill tomorrow. Or must I come pick you up? You can’t miss the final day tomorrow.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: We as SBR supporters should refrain from using the term “quotas” and only see SBR players. Good example is the sevens team for the Olympics.
@Playa: My good man big words like facetious might confuse old Matty’s tiny whiney baby born free brain….. See how I am world renowned accountant I know these things
In my eyes you are still one of the few true and consistent voices of reason on this platform Mr Playa aluta my brother aluta!!!!
@Roger: I never understood why our national hockey teams struggled so much at Olympics level while our schoolboys are world class….. but been told there is almost a nonexistent post schools Hockey structure hence the reason numbers simply dwindle….. any win in anything over Oz is brilliant though
what more NB is that our u18A side beat Aus 6-1 at hockey. Aus are the reigning Olympic and World champs and their hockey is number 1 – absolutely brilliant result.
Lions are superbly coached and have proper gees – great team vibe and big up to Carl Spilhaus and coaches.
I am going to stick my neck out and say Coach Akkers and the “B” team will beat the Jaguares and the Craven Week team will avenge the AW team’s last minute loss to WP and win by 5
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Careltjie……I think you are spot on……..OFS will even beat WP………And that Stott field is taylormade for them with all the shades
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: I love the FS and the way they play, but the Lions pack edge them in the tight five and loose forwards, as well as at 10. The centre PAIRING of the FS has the edge and the back three is a wash.
@Grasshopper: um – PBHS forms part of the Blue Bulls and has no relevance to Lions rugby. The top schools in the Lions region which provide the bulk of the players to CW, AW and GK selections are Monnas, Jeppe, KES, Helpmekaar, Florida with a smattering from Parktown, Saints, Marais Viljoen, Bennies etc. I see there is a player this year from Northcliff – brilliant. The wider the base the better for the Lions.
KES may have had a few weaker years by their standards but still provide 9 players in the CW and AW teams. If Travis Gordon was not injured he would be there too. KES will have a very strong 1st XV next year.
I see we shall start blogging under our own names but I was born Speartackle as my mom and dad were in the credit card position when I was conceived.
But anyway however well done to the Lions, they played great rugby but I do not think they can take on WP. It will give me hours of pleasure if they do and save me from spending the whole Saturday night at the Wonder Lounge.
But join us on Twitter too, there are some good banter on there as well……@Speartackle1…………specially with Ploegskaar with his over-emotional fixation with some WP players.
@akw: I am going to stick out my neck and say……….the Cheetahs is better than the Lions…i will probably get a lot of flack for this, but maybe an interesting point of discussion…..let me hear what you guys have to say……..only mature answers please :):)
@Roger: You miss the point every time, if the policy and term ‘quota’ is removed by the government then the whole team can be black and no-one would care, as long as it’s selected on merit.
Interesting observation: a team of colour vs an all white team….i personally think looking at this year’s talent…..will not be surprised if the team of colour wins such a clash.
Carstens too slow for me, he does bring something different to the game, but he will need to be way quicker with his passes otherwise the loosies of the Lions will have a field day. I think the chap that started the first game did better, might loose some strength in defense though.
Think the WP vs Lions game wil be a cracker. Will be interesting to see how the opposing teams try to neutralise the playmakers and use the ball in hand (which will be gold).
I can see that the week has more than enough excellent centres – enough for at least 3 SA school teams. Similar with other backline positions. Forwards the issues with versatility. Some props good in scrums, but rucks and mauls an issue & vice versa. Have at least 2 excellent locks. Loosies also a bit of a mix and match. Most want to only run with the ball and neglect the groundwork and tactical aspects. Some are very good defenders, but lack versatility. Saw a lot of good prospects for next year, with many still in AW.
Looking forward to great match-ups tomorrow.
@BrotherBear: Afrikaans schools rugga maybe, Jeppe having an occasional good year, KES & PBHS quite weak. Monnas & Helpies propping up the Lions really.
How will the SA school selectors choose between Manny Ras (last year SA’s already) as well as Simelane that has had a brilliant CW so far….or will there be space for both?
Wow, what a performance by the Lions yesterday. To all the schools involved – well done. Especially Helpmekaar, Monnas and Jeppe – forming the backbone, grunt and flair. I questioned Green and Simelane’s defensive ability, but need question no more. The Bulls never gave up and came back hard during phases, but Lions defense was solid. Agree with @Hooit that Lions school rugby healthy. Gk team and Puk U/19 teams played in finals. Narrow loss to WP (2 points) keeping Lions AW out of finals and now CW team should be in finals.
One thing the officials must be quite strict on is the poor discipline and overly aggressive behaviour. The Bulls no 15 (Garsfontein) should have received a red card for a very dangerous tip tackle. He and no 2 only got yellow. Then after game he (15) hits a Lion player in the face. This type of behaviour cannot be tolerated, made worse as the same player was suspended for several weeks by SA rugby for similar actions earlier this year. Our children play rugby (which is already very physical) and don’t participate in cage fighting. We don’t need these “elements” in the sport. Hope his school is also doing something about this type of behaviour – let’s see.
Die manne wat nog nie weet wie ek is nie, julle kan my op Twitter volg as @kenloos, oftewel “Jou Baas”, oftewel “Ploeg wil soos Die Ken wees”, oftewel, “Spies is lief vir Die Ken” en so kan ek aangaan..
@akw: great post! I have been lobbying to change the avatars to real names for a while, it helps to irradiate the trolls and idiotic comments. You wouldn’t get bloggers degrading kids publicly etc. I know many on this blog dislike my passion for Glenwood, but that is fine. I would rather be passionate about it than not actually support any school and just stir the pot. I agree with your comments too, Lions pack by far the best in the tourno. The Monnas guys are really putting their hands up. For KZN Richardson & Holtzhausen must be in the selectors minds, potentially Renier Van Rooyen too. I never said Moerat was no good, just that he doesn’t stand out like say Etzebeth or PSDT does in the Boks. He seems more of a quiet worker, nothing wrong with that. The unofficial final will be very interesting indeed.
@BOG: Invaluable your insight into everything really is and you know what when you preaching to the choir all you hear is a chorus of cheers and adulation. Weĺl done maybe very well done anything else maybe another well crafted implied monkey comment could round up your logic.
@Matty: Sarcasm try it works to highlight the stupidity of things people say on this platform. I refer to all non-whites including myself as quotas because that is the common flawed logic/narrative that people follow on this platform whenever a teams losses blame it on the quotas.
If a team list is released and you see a thsepo instead of a wynard and most immediately bleet tshepo is a bloody quota. That type of person immediately in my eyes has no value to add in the plight to make our country great and they should emigrate immediately run as quickly as possible and do not let the door hit you on the way out. But you are right what I say on this platform is not a representation of the thoughts of the old boy community and more especially the school. But they are my own. If you read what I post and misunderstand my sarcastic reference a talent like Wandi or Gianni as aquita can I make a sweeping pronouncement that bloggers not associated your stupidity with Jeppe
@theblackandwhite: wow did not know that really makes what he has done in France even more special. He was good player that Scot and the move to France was insipired. Heard a lot from guys from English schools who matriculated around the sametime I did with some rugby ability both black and white who said if you did not speak “Die Taal” your chances in our structures diminished. Necessary evil quotas are.
@akw: very well said and bow to your bravery…. I only adorn my keyboard machete when I read the consistent anti-african and clandestine swart gevaar gabage that most people put on this platform….. For the most put I would have loved this to be a platform where I could fixate on my sole life obsession Jeppe wins over Kes but alas
@Hooit: As die ouens van die BB skole mekaar so vat op die blog kan ek dink hoe moeilik moet dit gaan om die kinders as ‘n span te laat speel, miskien ‘n les vir almal. Ek moet se dit mag dalk in die kaap ook so gaan maar ek het dit gelukkig nog nie hier ervaar nie. Sure Gim en Bois het hulle dinge maar daar is respek.
Geluk met jou span en jammer oor die volgende game? Dit behoort ‘n goeie een te wees. As julle die WP voor kan stil hou gaan dit close wees. Jammer om te hoor van die nonsens na die wedstryd, en daai seun het my beindruk.
Guys, this thread is an embarrassment to ourselves and this blog. Nobody is talking about the games but about all the other shit in the world. I believe it is because we hide behind pseudonyms – I am going to ask Beet to change my blog name to Rainier Vermaak, my real name. And I challenge the rest of you to do the same, instead of staying keyboard warriors hiding behind keyboards and anonymity.
Just a few rugby observations, if I may.
I love the play of the Border 8, he has made a huge impact in both games thus far.
The Lions 10 and 13 are outstanding, with the 14 and 15 not far behind.
The Lions 1 has proven me right, and he does enough in the tight loose.
The Pumas 3 is brilliant in the tight loose, but vulnerable in the scrums.
The FS 12 and 13 are great as a pair, and the tight forwards handle the ball very well in creating space for the outside backs. The FS has had 2 easy games, but. the style and pace will be a challenge for any team at the CW.
Moerat is a great lock and will play for the Boks one day.
The BB team was always going to be an unhappy amalgamation between 2 teams that play totally opposing game plans and patterns and this disconnect was clearly visible today.
@Jps 10 Baie dankie vir die info….lekker leesgenot vir die nag, blog is stil, hoop’ie die Leeus kuier te hard nie, saterdag is om die draai…..vind uit wie die “indian” is met die WP games & hou haar/hom stil, dink da le die “krag”…….hehehe
@Matty: Simelane definately SA Schools. Green should be but with the ‘pre’ CW selection that happens every year I doubt if he will get anything. Goid point you made that with the current pack of forwards they play even better. Alot of credit must go to the Lions forward pack. They give the backline enough ball to play with and stay out of the backline’s way. Even after today’s performance I think there will be more Bulls in the SA team than Lions.
Match stats and details!!!!
If you are looking for the results and detailed stats of the games played so far go to the SARU website – http://www.sarugby.co.za. under tournaments/youthweeks. Then select either CW or AW and the year 2016.
You will get all the results, the team sheets, who scored the points, who has scored the most points and tries to date, etc.
My god Ringo you are an embarrassment not only to yourself but to Jeppe. Hypocrite, speaking in the same way as some of the people you mentioned. Please fellow bloggers do not think this world famous accountant has anything to do with the values of Jeppe.
However, well done to all the lions today but most importantly to Green and Simelane. There is still much work to be done but these boys look the real deal, they seem even more potent behind a much more effective pack than the one they have at school. Proud Old Boy today- Forti Nihil Difficilius.
@Playa: pity I did not watch these games today. The Falcons, mostly EG Jansen players, has a pretty strong and unpredictable team. They can play very well one day like today but not always possible to keep up this momentum for 3 games in one week. They do not have a big pool of the powerful rugby schools to choose from like the bigger unions. This is the same when it comes to rugby festivals. The depth starts to become a problem when injuries starts to take its toll.
@Ringo: Green and Simelane brilliant – role on KES Jeppe next term – two truly transformed schools. BTW – did anyone notice that the SA U18 hockey team drilled the Aussies 6-1 with 6 “quotas” in the team – two from Jeppe??
@jakes: The Falcons vs Limpopo game was my game of the day.Evenly contested and a good show of skills from both sides.The result could have gone either way.The Valke 10 was very good,and so was the Limpopo 15.
Wow it seems that the Helpmekaar/Monument combination (Lions) team gave the Affies/Garsfontein combination ( Blue Bulls) team a hiding as per comments on another blog. RUGBY really looks good at Monument and Helpmekaar and Lions Rugby overall. The Falcons / Limpopo Blue Bulls seems to be the most exciting game today with the Falcons running away with it at the end.
Baie mooi Leeutjies. Monnas, Helpies, KES, Jeppe ens. Puik wenne. Simelane very good, but my money is on Tyrone Green for a star of the future. En ook paar ander Monnas en Helpies spelers. My Cravenweek is gemaak. Maar ek het dit voorspel toe 9 Affies en 9 Garsies gekies word.
Just to some info on the poor discipline by the Bulls. While shaking hands afterwards the Bulls number 15 from Garsfontein hit the Lions number 8. As if the spear tackle was not enough.
@Andre T: Baie dankie. Net gewag vir my seun. Hy moes eers n urine monster laat neem het. Lions 10 and 13 best at tournament so far. With the right forwards doing their job players like Mark can play their natural game. Did an ‘inexperienced’ u17 prop just handed out some scrum lessons to a SA player?
@Ringo: Howzit bud, his marks are good enough. This kid has shown so much character up to now, I don’t think the quota system will hold him back. I think what might be the problem is that he could probably play for the Lions at 10,12 or 15. Almost like Lambie. Also, just to set the record straight – Scott Spedding did not come from a particular affluent home, he was a bursary student at St. John’s (played SA Schools Rugby and Cricket), he also worked blimming hard to get his rewards. When he first got to France he set up one a big charity for under privileged kids in Johannesburg
@Rugbymal: yes I have clearly picked that up the last few weeks on this blog. 700 plus comments on this thread alone and you battle to find any results.
@Ringo: GOB? Yeh, very honest of you. You sound like a crossed clone of Zuma and Billary Clinton. Take a deep breath of Doom and disappear- to Zim or the DRC.
come on boys! let try something without GW in it. What a awesome game by the Lions. Fantastic rugby and must say Simelane must be a dead certainty for SA. Pity the BB did not enjoy the “in your face” game. Unfortunately it cost them. Very little seen of the BB backline. They will be back and I feel sorry for the next team playing them. Only discipline needed.
But wow again!!! well done Lions. You made daddies proud today
@BOG: Even when I agree with you and white is always right logic. You choose to stand on your soapbox and bleet the first racist bit drivel that comes into your mind. Plus I was talking of a GOB. You are right we quotas are just nothing but a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, greedy no rugby playing ability bastards what else do you want.
It still is very nice to see a team full of quotas like HJS beat your lily white Grey. But one swallow does not …. well you know everything so finish that saying for me will you.
@Grasshopper: Look to be honest if this was not my home for which I am willing to die to defend “#thethirdrevolutioniscoming” you will see. I have to saw a decisions taken by people like you which is very sensible and probably in the long run will be the best thing for you and your family. For me you seem like rat jumping of sinking ship and its big scary ocean out there and you know what this ship is not sunk yet not by long way.
@Toffee: From what I heard the boy is not dumb at all decent marks but apparently has the mouth of a sailor but other than that would qualify for varsity. But in this system as it currently stacked he may fall foul of his whiteness, hence maybe life in the UK where he will not be tuanted as preordained next rugby superstar might give him that chip on the shoulder that makes him a superstar. Its not easy to be at the top in any sport you need to work very hard and sometime being in enviroment where people think very highly of you makes you complacent but I do not know I am not an oracale. But I am Scott Speding from SJC seemed to make it alright in France. Although he comes from money so probably daddy made life over there bareable which made it easy to focus at the task at hand. Remember the reason Mr Speding left was not because of his skin colour but because he could not speak “die Taal”
@OudUppie: Soos Simelani die BB nou pak gee kan die Vrystaat dalk die BB kry, kom ons hoop so maar ek twyfel. Hierdie klomp hoenderkoppe sal seker die Pumas nader hark?
@Stier: Stem 100% saam – skande daf FS geoordeel moes word op verlede jaar se span se vertoning.. Kan regtig nie verstaan dat manne wat by skolerugby betrokke is nie hierdie tiepe goed kan begryp nie. Hopenlik kry FS darem sterk opposisie vir Saterdag.
@Ringo: Thanks boet, it’s Hopper not Hooper, selective reading again. I’m very happy with my decision to go back to the UK. At least I won’t have to put up with quotas, BEEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEB and other types of reverse racism and manipulation. Enjoying the Lions vs Bulls game, Affies/Garsies vs Monnas/Helpies…
@Bush: You better explain to him in more detail what you mean by an “L”. I already have visions of him standing on the N2 in Toti, showing his middle finger to the oncoming traffic, and then wondering why no one is offering him a ride. Remember, the man comes from Vrede.@Ringo: Oh, I see that you have appointed yourself as the local Mr Popular. I think that you may be surprized to know how many would give you a very excited send-off to the DRC on a one way ticket. Much like the senior and young rugby players are doing. Unlike you, with your head up your ass, they recognise a sinking ship and have something better in mind than SA playing Namibia and Zim. Why dont go and help you soulmate, Bob Mugarbage get out of his hole. It should give you good experience for the future in SA.
@robbie: Self maar lekker saam met jou tjom @Spier gister gekerm dat die beste WP 9 kwansuis Akademie speel. Die string boodskappe gister vanuit verskeie oorde van oudspelers, HP bestuurders en coaches vertel egter ‘n ander storie. Feit is, stert gaan nie meer die hond swaai nie. Beste 6 en 8 speel wel Akademie, daaroor is geen twyfel
@Ringo . Your Tyrone Green has stood out as one of my top 10 of the games I have watched. If he is not offered a contract then he should look at going the Varsity Cup route if his academics are up to scratch. I dont believe going straight overseas is in the interest of most young players. I have seen a few do it and fail badly. Besides suddenly having to operate in a professional environment they are also having to cope with new surroundings/language and being away from family support structures. Rather develop via Varsity Cup where you have a chance to be seen.
Eish the stuff Jeppe old Boy nightmares are conjured of occurred on Tuesday as both Tyrone Green and Wandi played unbelievably good games Wandi is a definate shoe in for SA schools being quota selections obviously
Tyrone might be a victim of his whiteness but to be honest the triplet from Dale/Border and Willimse from PR/WP are good 10s. Then you also have the quintessential old school Afrikaaneer number 10 which is the De Swart from the Bulls/Affies, I then start struggling to find an SA schools spot for Mr Green especially at number 10. Maybe I should put forward the fact that boy can speak fluent Setswana that gets him somemore points on the scorecard and increases his chances to be a deserving white player helping the inept quotas he will be stuck with on SA schools team. But to honest the boy always knew that competion for SA schools number 10 would be incredibly tight. Hence the move to fullback this season in the Jeppe 1st XV, the emergance of a certain Mr Lombaard from HJS/WP made that position more competitive plus Mr Lombaard is quota so he too slides right into the SA schools team I mean these bloody quota players you can’t seem to get rid of them ag that means another deserving very talented white kid misses out even one who is loved by a quota like myself.
I am a genuine believer in Mr Green’s rugby abilities reminds me a little of a certain Mr Mckenzie from the chiefs it unfortunate that his rugby ability may not be the criteria that determine his elegibilty for higher honours. Which may be a blessing in disguise for him. I mean if he is not picked for SA schools or contracted by the incompetent quota ran unions he may get a big money offer from a French team, as TJ kid I can only root for him to use his god given talent to improve the lives of his family.
Selfishness along with greed, being corrupt and an absolute lack of rugby ability are common quota traits. It is with a very selfish self-interested quota hat on I secretly hope none of the Jeppe boys get selected for SA schools that way we can have as strong a team as possible against Kes and the boys must have chips on both shoulders to give them balance and perspective. However the more likely outcome is that Nolo another one the Jeppe quotas who will be starting at hooker for the lions will probably also have blinder today well a blinder by quota standards at the farce called craven week.
Coupled with the fact that Hachivah our star number 8 got a season ending injury in our last game against Saint Johns Kes are now heavy favourites as always for the game on the 6th.
We will probably field our 3rd team against Kes cause unlike schools like GW our best players are the quota selections in the lions teams who may go on to be selected as quota selections for the SA schools teams right!!!!!!!
@MrHooper would you do us all a huge favour and take GOB with you on your new venture in the far greener and far more prosperous non- EU afflicted Great Britain. He really does make this blog a gutter.
Bon voyage Mr Hooper!!!!!
In closing I wish the Kes quotas all the best today hope they also play well so as to even the playing fields on the 6th of August go Mpheku go son and go that Kes prop as well, he seems a rather frightening prospects for soutie school boys maybe he should be an SA schools quota as well.
This blog this year in paticular has been a sad place really sad ome of the things that are sad on this platform.
I will proceed to stick my quota head in the sand and will make sure to close the door of my cage.
Leave you all with this for you to ponder: ” for as long you think Marnus Potgieter (Affies) is a better selection at outside centre than Wandisile Simelane (Jeppe) never having seen either player in your life, that is for how long we will need necessary evil like quotas so that Wandi can show you what he can do and if that means Marnus leaves for France/Japan/Scotland/Ireland or any either place his white priveledge will give him a foot up”
@robbie: Dis nou die Natallers wat mekaar aanvat. Ek weet die of dit veel beter is as die Noordvaal skole wat baklei oor wie speel teen mekaar en wie nie en dan moet ons nog tussenin na Bog en Playa se politieke fights ook luister. Miskien gaan dit volgende week beter. Oakdale is bv reg om vir Paarl Gim op Riversdal aan te vat. Gelukkig het ons hele span wedstryd fiks gebly die vakansie
@Speartackle: I always enjoy company in my convertible Ossewa. I love the smell of Old Spice. But if you are struggling I will drive through to Toti to pick you up. Friends don’t leave friends behind. Just shout
Die Vrystaat is besig om die Luiperds te slag. CW sal moet begin meer moeite doen met die wedstryd bepallings dit is ‘n skande dat die Vrystaat nie die BB, Leeus of WP gaan speel nie. Hulle sal die Sharks slag en die bestes by CW ‘n baie harde game gee. Dit maak nie sin om ‘n komp soos die CW te hou en nie die bestes teen mekaar te laat speel nie. Sorry Vrystaat julle is geboor en verdien baie beter as dit.
@Speartackle: I’m in Hilton this week, I know if you stand on the N2 facing Durban hand in the air showing “L” you will get a luxury bus to Botha’s Hill.
Glenwood players are overrated and it showed against wp. The wings (11) positioning was horrible putting the fullback under pressure. Jj is a good player maybe he’ll be more influential next year would be shocked if he makes SA schools.
Stem saam. Kom ons gesels oor spelers sonder om te beledig. Miskien moet Beet ‘n aparte blog stig waar GW en die res van die Natallers mekaar op hul eie tyd kan beledig. Kom ons bly by positiewe gesprekke.
the boy will unfortunately disapear after school-just bigger than the other schoolboys in a weak kzn environment-will be caught by other more skillful ,talented players
Manne om dop te hou in die laaste wedstryd vandag:
Eloff, Krause en van der Schuyff aan die kant van die Bulle
Simelane, Jacobs en Green aan die kant van die Leeus
@McCulleys Workshop: I am up for a beer anytime except Saterday after the game as the road back home is long.
@Valkie: Pumas or Valke vs Sharks. There are currently only 4 teams who stand out and they should play eack other Saterday. In no order WP, Free State, Bulls and Lions
@Stier: exactly why I said he shouldn’t be there, selective reading. Something many bloggers do here. Him & Vorster are not good enough. They both GW grade 10 imports.
@h2o: @Grasshopper: let’s just calm down and realise they struggling to keep up with others as a team. GW is more than likely best in KZN. But in country setup a bit behind. We will see in GW last few matches where they sit in the pile. Personally I think Affies and Grey beat them by 25.
@Bush: Spear is all smoke and mirrors. Got the badge of honor Maybe I will slink up the hill and have a sing a long with old McCulleys. ( although I am reliably informed he is now tone deaf )
@Grasshopper: Weideman smoked Moerat and then he was quiet? What game did you watch? First ,Weideman is a total hooligan he got carded for a sinical and dangerous shoulder charge from the side ,late and the player wasn’t looking and he went for the head neck area. What makes it worse is that the ref missed the first one. Very early on in the match he did exactly the same thing to Ras but this time he was so late that the ref didn’t even see it and again it was on the neck head area with the shoulder. Just answer me this how did Moerat score and make the final offload for one of the tries if he was quiet? Then I don’t want to see him when he gets busy. And what did the Sharks locks do? I remember! not much they where to busy watching their props backsides being stuffed into their faces.
Like I said SANIX is not what everybody think, it’s not bad but totally over rated. Sharks got murdered by a far superior team just like Kirwin Bosch and EP got wipped in 2015. Luckily for you GW don’t play in the cape.
@Grasshopper: Stop being so blind and sensitive…. I will never attack a boy on this site they have not chosen themselves and give every ounce in the matches….. I am attacking you who cannot see Glenwood doing anything wrong….. I am going back to work so please carry on I will not miss much between now and your next 200 posts as they all have the same topic…….
@h2o: I’m just saying of the 9 GW boys there 6 are deserving and our best, 3 maybe lucky. Stop being disrespectful to those there who didn’t pick themselves. I mean twatboel calling boys fat is uncalled for. Hoping Matt Pollard recovers from his shoulder injury quick, going to need him next year…
I do not mind losing provided I honestly believe we put our best foot forward. WP play a high tempo game like the ABs. In order to counter that you need to dictate the pace of the game by at least gaining parity in the primary possession stakes and tight exchanges. You also need to have a balanced back row to compete at ruck time and slow the ball up. The pack that KZN put out failed dismally in that regard. 40 % played out of position and included a lock who is a fringe player and a penalty machine(duly got a yellow card). Meyer is an out and out lock and was lost at flank. Crowshaw was missed terribly. Against EP I counted at least 3 steals and more importantly he effected the quality of ball available to EP. WP scored 2 tries off a tighthead and a throw over the back of the lineout. With the KZN backrow at odds with itself, WP had total domination of the rucks. When you add that to a misfiring KZN tight 5 , the quality possession available to WP meant they could play their own high tempo game and the KZN defensive structures were in total disarray. I do want to take anything away from WP ( as we do with the ABs) but KZN were their own worst enemies. It was pointed out after the selections that the incumbent CW and specialist hooker had been unduly sidelined. What impact would he have had at scrum time , in the lineouts and in the tight exchanges. We will unfortunately never know. GW are a very good rugby school and have some very good players. This does not mean however that fringe selections are justified against the situation listed above. Surely there has to be some accountability and not wished away as ” a bad day at the office”. We are tired of that attitude. With regard to the discussion on locks I think the kid ” Ryno” from the BBs woud put everyone in their place
@Bush: I think you mean Monakali who played on the wing for the Lions last year – he is in matric but U19 this year so was not considered for Craven week.
When KES play Jeppe in the third term the clash between the two number 13’s – Monakali and Simelane – will be worth any entrance fee! The KES centre starting today (I think) is Mpheku who is only in grade 11 – another brilliant player, as is the KES prop starting today, Glade – also in grade 11.
Happy to say that Monakali, Mpheku and Simelane will all be staying at the Lions – the Union really has got it together over the last five odd years
@Rhino_67: Going back to the quota debate, it is entirely the Unions and Ministry of Sports responsibility to create rugby opportunities (facilities, CONSISTENT coaching, identifying talent and drafting them into clubs etc) at grass roots level, not the responsibility of Model C schools, which is where the Minister would like to be prescriptive and land the plane. And yet we are living with ‘quick wins’ of hijacking a few black players from the EC to ensure we make up the numbers. If we are complaining about the administration regarding the make and coaching of the CW teams, what hope is there for the actual development of the sport in KZN.
@Grasshopper: Blablablabla……..Hopper not crying foul just facts that you have boys there through undue influence at cost of more deserving boys…… then stop trying to force GW down everybody’s throats…. you are making everybody hate GW with your biased view of the Glenwood Sharks rugby union….. nothing to do with Ville rugby they had a crap season ….
@Rhino_67: only met him once in Cape Town about 3 years ago to discuss Glenwood poaching & over aged players. He seemed a decent bloke. I’m back in Jozi today so can’t catch up with him.
@h2o: Westville bloggers every year…..crying foul….it gets so boring. Take all the Glenwood coaches and reps away and there will still be 6 plus GW players in the side. I don’t care how many GW have as long as KZN schools play to their potential and do well.
@Grasshopper: Grassy, if you know him personally maybe a beer with him sometime this week would be extremely insightful. Share any view if you get around to it.
@Grasshopper: Hopper that SA schools selection would depend if GW can sneak in a selector disguised as a person with propper rugby knowledge……… rugby is not just about GW.
Here is my CW side….
15- GW
14-GW
13- GW
12-GW
11-GW……. you start seeing the patern?????
@McCulleys Workshop: Beer would be nice. Only thing I can say for today is go Lions. My son in AW team( on bench played on Monday) and boy did we have a game against the WP yesterday. Man I think we could have won that one if it was not for poor defense in first half. For me match of the day at AW.
@Bush: yes and you went to House, very believable. I grew up in a one parent home on the Bluff, I know something about struggling and fighting to get to the stop.
@McCulleys Workshop: Coudnt agree more. Get the administration side right, select a TEAM on merit and we might start putting in performances worthy of one of the BIG 5 in SA Rugby.
@odie15 The KZN side is nothing like the WP setup where players are identified and nurched through the ranks.KZN gather on 3 occassions before trials are played with the supposed High performance individuals. No real analysis going into this selection at all and then once the Team is selected a few practice hits and we are then supposedly ready. At our last practice match in Pretoria, the Team didnt even have kit to play in. Poor admininistration I say.
@Grasshopper: Hopper I don’t wear one sided glasses. I hope for f sakes that all the GW players make the SA Side and a few from the AW make it into the SA A side. You have a past coach as a selector for SA Schools so anything is possible. Chew careful on that Egg sarmie Granny packed for you.
@Hooit: So he played SA last year, okay I got it all wrong, please don’t tell Hopper. I thought it was the Centre from KES that played SA last year. They both bloody good. There are 4 teams up there, Lions, BB, WP and Free State.
@Intense ZN: Prinsloo or Schwulst should be starting hooker, they actually play those positions at school. I wander what excuse Bush will have if a Glenwood player gets picked for SA Schools….
@McCulleys Workshop: Morning MW, how are you doing? I have neglected my work, I here at home today trying to catch up and make some money so I can pay my boys school fees for term 3. Daddy has to pay his son’s way
Will be there on Saturday, going to have a few cool drinks in the Beer tent after the final game. Are you going to be around on Saturday, would love to meet and have a cool drink with you.
@Bush: The Jeppe 13 who was MOTM was SA last year. The centre on the bench is from Kes but plays 12. Lions forwards going into the match with a weight and height disadvantage. Think the forwards will determine who wins this game. I think this is going to be the most physical and hardest game to date of CW. The winner to play WP and the loser should play Free State. They are the only 4 teams who deserves a spot in the final 2 games Saterday. Sharks or EP do not deserve a spot in the final 2 games
@McCulleys Workshop: You don’t think it starts with SHARKS union? More than 20 years now focussing on GC and top 5 schools players to be contracted to them?
@Intense ZN: a lot of what you said is true but from time to time you get a very average age group and i believe this is one of those.I have watched GW on 2 occasions and they are extremely average and i post after their Monnas game that if majority players are from GW, they will struggle at CW
@Grasshopper: Front row has been under pressure from day one. Nelani was like the 5th choice loosehead at trials. Yesterady he was going in on the hit before they even started to scrum so I think no matter what combination you have, they will always be under pressure. Maybe bring the AW hooker up and that will at least solve your hooker problem and maybe bring some stability to the frontrow – Just saying!
To be honest I thought Vorster was better than Nelani yesterday but he just couldnt last the match. Hobbled off with cramp I think.
The rest of the lineup is the best we have at Kearsney for the week!
@boerboel: Lol – GH, the saying is ‘stop while you are ahead’ in this instance, stop when you realise you have dug a very deep grave and no longer have a ladder.
The reality is that KZN in general has had a poor season and our schools have not fared well against schools from other provinces. That is just a fact. Whether it is a seasonal issue or the start of the widening gap between KZN and the Major League, who knows. However qudos to GWood for at least attracting top talent to KZN. My view is simple – the problem starts and ends with our administration.
@Grasshopper: I asked Beet if he could set the blog up in Brail, it will be easier for me to read your shit. Now piss off, get your bacon and egg roll. Watch some rugby with your GW sunglasses on.
@Bush: boet, selective reading again. I thought Richardson was the KZN MOM, if we had 15 of him we would have been fine. Pepsi played well on Monday, Jared Meyer is the best captain & Curtis played very well in both games. Also thought the Nelani made a huge difference coming on for Vorster. My starting side for tomorrow.
@Hooit: That’s going to be a mean game. That Lion’s side is a lekker side. The Fly Half and 13 centre played well on Tuesday. I believe the KES number 13 who played SA last year was on the bench. I can understand that, the starting number 13 was awesome and he kicks bloody well for poles.
@boerboel: There goes Hopper again. Singling the GW players, flip. DW I understand has hardly played any school rugby due to injury. Dirty player, off the ball specialist. The KZN number 5 was a machine yesterday. Both him and JJ keep the strength together in the tight 5. The others were lost.
See Hopper thats how you do it, take the GW blinkers off and add inspiration for the other schools players.
@Intense ZN: I read comments about focus to beat EP on Monday. The focus is to play in Craven Week. Beating EP is no bench mark you select a team to get through Monday. And your 1st choice team vs WP. Saying Natal team under prepared ……hmmm funny all these teams had same amount of time. A game everyone said was going to close. Does that mean we no nothing about rugby then?
Interesting match up today for the Lions vs Bulls game. On loosehead side for Lions you have u18 prop and lock and on tighthead side for Lions an under 17 prop and u 17 lock against an u18 SA schools prop and u18 lock.
@Intense ZN: mate, look at the Glenwood players in both sides, all are well conditioned. JJ is only carrying a little extra due to injury. Schwulst, O’neil, Van Rooyen, Lubbe, Holtzhausen, Maduna, Kruger etc all have very little body fat and high levels of muscularity.
It was a hugely disappointing performance yesterday by KZN. Province were so much more committed and better coached. It was like night and day! H2O is correct in what he says around selection and the selectors. We need to select boys based on performance through the season and don’t ever select out of position. Does no one any favours! The player is normally the one that is disadvantaged the most as he normally fails and this could have a dramatic effect on his future as a Rugby player in this professional era.
The KZN Team is made up primarily of Glenwood/DHS and Kearsney boys – 9/5/5. Westville had 1 academy player with another joining as a result of injury but in all fairness they had some standout individuals in the games that I watched and to have no representation @ Craven week can only be as a result of having no one on the selectors panel. I know the loosehead was very useful in open play and from what I heard never got dominated by any tighthead he played against – even the Affies Tighthead so where is he now. Is it because he wasnt the biggest or most experienced? I’m sure it’s because he was at the wrong school. Just saying! We know the Hooker was almost a dead cert for Craven week yet he is replaced by a great loose forward in Richardson. Meyer and JJ are our two best locks but to leave out say the Westville lock – very handy in tight phases or someone else who will at least stay on the field for the duration of the match is criminal. Westville’s 12 was also very useful and if it wasnt for the fact that he permanently had 2 to 3 defenders on him permanently during the season, maybe he to would have been at Kearsney this last week.
I think what we are all trying to say is we need to choose the best player no matter what school they represent in his chosen position and let the coaches bring together a team and not a group of individual players who can represent our province at a better level than what i saw yesterday. Hopefully in their last match of the Tournament they can redeem themselves to a certain degree.
Just one last point; I think both coaching and the conditioning of players in KZN is at a sub-standard level. I was just looking at some of the Cheetahs and Puma boys yesterday and they are all in good shape, no matter what position they are playing. We will only get better if we learn from our mistakes and put the necessary plans in place to rectify these shortfalls.
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: “Weideman smoked him”-who is Weideman-we should report this hopper chap to the authorities-this borders on some form on disorder!!
@Grasshopper: I don’t understand being smoked when a team is thumped 60-5. It was 28-0 before 20 min. If the pair of JJ and Weideman were so dominant explain score! Must be missing something here I really must?
@Speartackle: Free State, Lions, Border and WP have been good.
Some of the coaches think CW is about them. I was listening to a coach shouting instructions to his team when they got a penalty to kick for touch and drive for a try. They must do this every time they get into the 25. Flip man, let the kids play. There should be no line out maul inside the 25, the team with the advantage should attack by running the ball.
@odie15: JJ has been targeted since he started playing. In KZN it’s not unusual to see him with 3 or 4 players on his back. He is a big friendly giant. I don’t think he even shaves yet. I know this sounds weird but he is probably a late developer. Salmaan looks 28 not 18, so matured muscle-wise etc very early. Salmaan isn’t the benchmark yes but he doesn’t stick out as much as others which might be a good thing. Weideman smoked him yesterday and from there he was quiet..
@Speartackle: Morning Spear, it was the Glenwood Coaching influence.
You right, won the fight, the down down and the tow truck “pulling donut” competition. That’s all that matters
How have you been? Should have told me you were going to be around. Would have poured you a long Brandy and Coke
@Greenman: exactly! JJ was 16 only a month or so ago. He needs another year. That year makes a huge difference. I mean look at Glenwood, Palvie & Smit give Glenwood that physical edge because they under19. JJ must take the criticism with a pinch of salt, work hard and have SA schools as a goal. He is a flippin good kid too…
@Grasshopper: so if we agree on something quickly. Salmaan was most obvious pick last year. He was so good he pipped the capt who had to play flank whole CW. People saying he’s targeted I don’t think you can target 1 player in a pack. But yes you can put more pressure on at line out time. If your scrum is strong and it goes fwd and you do your work in the tight loose it’s a good day. Lineouts opposition can focus more on a jumper. But that’s then up to team to have good variations. If you saying JJ is still young and learning etc etc etc…..Then what happens next year when focus is on him? Salmaan currently has the luxury of his team backing him and results. But he must be doing pretty well this year considering this is his 5 lock partner this year and the pack still shines in school and CW with him in every match his teams have played in.
@Greenman: JJ has had a wonderful CW so far. He has played hard solid rugby, made some big hits and taken a few big hits himself. But that comes with the territory of been in the Engine Room. He has done well. Agree with you on the cruise missile, but that goes back to my many discussions with various OB from GW on this blog. They don’t know how to coach or spend enough resources getting coaches for the lower teams. I can just hear it from Hopper so I will say it “we are not a Private School we don’t get that kind of funding” instead of Purchasing players get coaches in, develop what you have in front of you.
Any way lekker day further, have to do some work. Been bunking with flu for 3 days at CW. Off to join the masses on Dennis Shepstone Rd.
Go Free State, Go Lions, Go Hopper
@Grasshopper: Accept the fact that some provinces are playing off a 10 handicap and a few, off a 36 and then the latter thinks that they are class enough for the professional circuit. The tragedy is that the selectors believe them and then we have a fiasco like RWC U 20, 2016.@Bush: Im not to familiar with the internal politics of KZN rugby, but being part of SA, that is a given. Bottom line is this- the selection criteria laid down, is making a mockery of SA rugby and the French recruitment drive, is just the beginning.
@Grasshopper: If you take away Elizabeth…PSDT….Lood & Mostert….IMHO RG Snyman is probably the 5th best lock in SA the guy is a smooth operator that can even play an as enforcer…..JD was the better player at school level……Jenkins looked like a “star” in the 2015 JWC…this year he hasn’t really been that prominent at Super Rugby level that’s why the Bulls signed De Jager……
@Grasshopper: Not wrong, 7 in the starting lining up are from Framesby and 5 from Grey PE. Then 1 vs 4 in the reserves. EP were not good against KZN. I wonder if it was because of the players from Framesby?????? Maybe EP played their bench against KZN
@odie15: Zandberg, Moerat & De Villiers SHOULD have signed for the lions/cheetahs…as long as Eben/JD & PSDT are at WP/Stormers those three young locks will struggle to get game time especially at Super Rugby level….
@Bush: Grassy don’t take that shirt. They want to buy you! lol. JJ has been very special since small due to his size. Always destined to get to the top. Unfortunately and unfairly he is targeted whenever he play! Both by players and public. The game plan is worked out by the coaches and since under 14 he has been used as a cruising missile. He was never expected to grind in the loossies. Flyhalf position and use your strength. This has unfortunately not counted in his favour and wont in the long run. More expected as the rest catches up. Agree that he will need to up his game i.e fitness, agility, grinding, getting involved on the ground. The coaches need to start thinking differently. Then again his is still just a boy that need guidance.
@Bush: Wrong again, plenty of Grey PE players and they have had a decent season. Explain to me why having maybe 25 kids out of 1,200 from Pretoria is a problem? House is most likely 25% from Gauteng. The Hilton coach used to be the KZN coach, even then Hilton didn’t get many in the side. Look again I wish Glenwood had no Administrators or coaches involved, that would be ideal….
@Grasshopper: EP were kuk, mainly made up of Framesby players. Who GW smashed. Why do you think KZN played their reserves on that day.
There is no pot calling the kettle black. It’s common knowledge that a huge % of boys that go to MHS come from your town, its always been that way.Even in the Good Old Day’s. GW use to be a KZN school but is now a PTA school.
You maybe need to take you GW blinkers off and watch unbiased rugby.
Here’s an example for you- Hilton didn’t have a great year. But they have some unbelievable players. Even a quota player for the Front Row. 1 Player in the CW side and none in the AW side what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I promise to buy you a Kearsney Golf shirt from the shop on Saturday and a cap
@odie15: Agreed its a team effort for sure. This is why you seeing these provincial sides being made up mostly by 2 or 3 sides due to combinations. The KZN side reminded me of the baby boks, just under-prepared and not gelling at all. I still think this rule about having to play the bench starting is rubbish. The provinces and coaches should be able to pick their best side no matter what. For a smaller Union like KZN with a third of the players of WP, it’s important we play our best. Salmaan is a good player but for me not as good as JD Schickerling was at the same level. JD really dominated all aspects of lock play. Eduard Zandberg & RG Snyman were a close 2nd. I never saw Jason Jenkins play at school but for me he is a future Bok..
@Grasshopper: If the forwards did not impress you much, who gave that good clean ball to the backs to run with?..The KZN forwards?…..Your scrum went up and backwards everytime and you were dominated at rucktime….
@odie15: Ruan Vermaak, the Monnas SA Academy, lock, has started training already since his shoulder op. If he can get back to form before the 1st SA schools game him and ‘Moerhard’ whould be my lock combination of choice.
@Greenman: I think him and JJ will make a good partership next year. JJ needs to get a personal trainer and get him into tiptop shape in pre-season. He only needs to lose 5kg and increase muscle mass a little. I feel for him a little, groin injuries are irritating and stop you running/cycling etc…
@Bush: If KZN is kuk then EP must be super kuk. There are not only Glenwood selectors so the process is fair. I would love if there were no Glenwood selectors, then when 7 or 8 are picked no one can complain. Look at the GK team, made the final with many Glenwood players. In terms of Old boys playing provincial rugby, they play in other provinces because KZN doesn’t have a decent Uni. I mean pot calling the kettle black, half of House comes from Gauteng…..Pridwin is a big feeder school…
@Grasshopper: I think the best lock is currently on holiday. Dont miss his line out calls, hard grinder and big. He pushed both Bauer and Weideman to second team. Very unfortunate not to be there. I am sure he will get his chance.
@BoishaaiPa: @Grasshopper: not directing this at anyone specific. The results here are not of individuals. It’s work that started 2 seasons ago. Everyone seems to be watching Salmaan and ready to judge. This is his 19th match since 20th March. His last 10 matches have been vs country’s top schools. But he keeps on and is focus every match for opposition and people foe their critique. Amazing how every other lock gets an excuse cos his partner wasn’t up to it. Yet Salmaan is judged alone. I said it earlier this year but I will say it again. Salmaan’s partnership with Ruben last year is most likely best school lock combo I have seen in last 30 yrs. I think it’s the biggest reason he has signed with WP for next year. I think WP want them back together as soon as possible. Even Ruben is missing his partner this year. They brought the best out each other.
It’s not an individual in the engine room. It’s a tight 5 joint effort that provides backs with quality ball to play. Defense is character most of these players have taken to heart and scramble like lives depend on their next tackle. The WP effort is based on team not individual. Having said that there is pure class in this outfit.
@Greenman: Stop using the quotas as an excuse. KZN is just kuk plain and simple. Our selection process is bias. The private schools have plenty players of colour that play in the 1st Teams. But they don’t get looked at. Why?????????? Why do the selectors have to go to GW 3rd team to get a player???????
@Bush: I am happy with our Glenwood army! You will see us next year. Not AK47’s, we bringing G5 to the party. Must say, in kzn, I enjoy school rugby more thn the who is who selecting who provincially. By the way, I believe that your chsamp school will obviously have more representation due to winning combinations. Also, u utter BS about 2 days before the time and 28 from GW. It was maybe 28 out of 150. Your right to hate GW although sad. Moving on.
@Grasshopper: How can you make a list when you don’t even watch school rugby in KZN. It’s easy to read stuff off a programme.
JJ played well got softened up by the Province Boys
Holtzhausen played with big balls
Lubbe great defence and a solid player gives it everything, got left behind for pace yesterday
The rest weren’t even in the game.
@BOG: Because GW think they are Grey Bloem. They feel that as their second team players have had provincial representation at lower levels (GK and U13 level) they can go to Craven Week ahead of other First Team players.
GW are trying make their Second team like your Cherries, they can play and beat other Schools First teams. Their arrogance showed its head against MHS this year, as they felt they were too good to play our 2nd Team. This all comes from poaching and making too many promises to the kids you poach. All of a sudden you have a 150 kids that you have promised KZN Representation to get them into the School.
I have been watching some of the Currie Cup games, there are plenty GW Old Boys playing for other Provinces(Even a Flank for Free State ) why they haven’t they stayed in KZN???? Is it because they don’t come from this Province?????
@BrotherBear: The difference was the WP backline, the forwards didn’t impress me that much. If KZN had their best pack there from the beginning the score would have been closer. We never expected to win it, just play alot better than we did. Home crowd pressure, who knows. Gianni and Ras created about 40 of those points. Impressed by the WP hooker though, good player.
@Greenman: some comments here about large players were in my opinion a bit personal. On the other hand (as Naas would say), an excuse that a player has been recovering from injury and therefor is not in shape – is not an acceptable excuse. Good players become excellent due to their work ethic and discipline. Practice, drills, no parties, attending all sessions and a good diet are all just as important (amongst others). I believe the selectors should look at all these aspects as well, not just “on the field performance”. Even chats with team mates, coaches, gym coaches and the players themselves should be part of the selection process. One of the reasons the All Blacks are really good, goes back to selecting intelligent players with good discipline and work ethics (from a pool with heaps of talent).
@Bush: No we don’t boet, I would prefer less players, just those that are the best. My question to you is who is better in each position. Give answers and solutions instead of throwing your toys out the cot.
Renier Van Rooyen – undoubtedly the best tight head in KZN
JJ Van der Mescht – best lock and prospect we have, not polished but has the raw goods to be excellent next year.
Martin Holtzhausen – our best centre by far
Seun Maduna – a good solid player and should be there
G Lubbe – experienced wing, great defence and with space a finisher
Those 5 are there on merit. I can’t see too many other better from other schools. One could argue Dylan Kruger, Francke Botha, Schwulst, Conradie and Matt Bauer could be there too. Weideman and Vorster should be in the Academy side or not there at all.
@Bush: @Bush: grasshopper can check the ratio last year. that should reflect kzn stance on selection. again, there is a lot of AW that shluld be in CW but did not happen because of quotas. One should actually not even try to get excited about kzn rugby. We are now all disadvantaged
Anyway, here come the French! Need to negotiate.
@Grasshopper: Hopper it’s got sweet “f” all how Glenwood does against the KZN Schools. The bias is towards GW and that is BS. You can support GW all you want, I’m happy for you and your Glenwood army. Not even a full Glenwood Army with AK 47’s would have stopped WP yesterday.
KZN is a big province, the Union should be out there on game days taking notes and bringing players to the trials. Not 2 days before the trials and half of GW school go, because they are the best in the province. We need a proper team.
Dale College have 2 boys in the Craven Side and 2 in the AW side they are the strongest school side in the Border Area. Why does every GW supporter, Old Boy and parent feel as GW is the strongest team in KZN they must have a 100 boys at Craven Week??? Good teamwork win games not individuals
@Greenman, @Grasshopper: you remember my prediction of Kzn struggle after the Glenwood loss to Monnas? Must agree that WP team looked well coached and players showed heaps of confidence.
Sad about the Lions AW that lost by 2 points to WP. Well done for a brilliant fight back. Could easily be the other way if not for soft WP try at start of game.
@H2o: Don’t read anything into the Bondedag game where Lions lost. They had numerous layers out of team and played most of game with 14 players. Hope the next game is Lions Kzn.
Looking forward to a more clinical Lions performance against BB today. Forwards need to man-up and backline needs less individual showmanship and more passing to open players.Believe today’s starters should do their thing. Simelane and Green good players but let’s see what they do under pressure. My contacts tell me that the Helpmekaar name was mentioned several times during the previous game, after scores. Well done Helpmekaar.
@BoishaaiPa: It is a good side. There is about 5 kids in the team from last year GK side. Like I said earlier they were not plsying to their true team potential the whole year but rather to their individual potential. I was not there but it sounds like the 13 centre had a second half to be proud off. Some even said that it was his best rugby ever. Just a very important note. Lions are playing with their ‘own’ players of colour and they are in both teams om merit. Lions rugby looking very good.
@h2o: Mike Vowles is a WOB, just saying. Weideman & Vorster are lucky to be there. If Vorster was still playing hooker he might still be there, he isn’t a prop. Brummer is lucky too, very good player & leader but for me just too small. Our halfbacks are not up to it. Where is Francke? Also Dylan Kruger is playing in the wrong week, he should be there. Honestly though Ville have been rubbish so any good players there have not had the opportunity to shine, Ville have not done then justice. Look we were beaten by a better team but they certainly not 55 points better.
@Greenman: get your facts tight…. please show me a player from Westville in CW…. The problem is 3 GW selectors = 28 players…. is CW trials not a internal GW trials process and should the trials then not be held at the beginning of the season at GW which will justify 28 players….. westville nil selector= nil chosen…… I can think of at least 3 GW players who would not have made CW side had the process been fair….. intersting enough I would have replaced 1 of them with a GW player
@boerboel: Check yourself into the SPCA for some counselling.@Bush: Why are there 2nd and 3rd team players in the team? The system compels them to do that to make up the quota numbers. There are other teams at the AW, which have 4th and 5th team players in their side to meet the quota requirement. Its a farce. That is why I have said that some teams, representing areas where rugby is not the first choice of the quota component, are playing with their shoe laces tied together. HANDICAPPED. Taking in the facts, teams like WP, Boland, SWD, EP, Border, all have a huge advantage, and its a tribute to the other teams that they actually do as well as they do.
Have the organizers decided yet who the “finalists” will be for CW 2017 ? Or must they first have a bosberaad in a game reserve for a week to decide that?
@McCulleys Workshop: @Bush: No Bush. Not just at Glenwood but they were the strongest school in KZN this year same as Grey, Paarl Boishaai, Affies etc. It has always been like that therefor the more representation. However, there were about 150 odd players invited for KZN trials to make up the teams. How many selectors watching how many games making how many selections? Ridiculous. Then they tried to please everybody by at least putting one representative from just about any school in KZN. Everybody happy. Result?
@Grasshopper: This is not about House. When a KZN Blogger tried his antics a few weeks back when I said that we wouldn’t perform at CW, he attacked the weak House side this year. It is not about House, but rather what seems to be a flawed selection process, coaching and a province that is battling to match the super rugby schools nationally.
@Bush: @Bush: and you have better players. Those players playing second GW were 1 team at the time of selection. Our problem remain not eough previous disadvantage players to choose from. only 3% play rugby in kzn yet we need 50% representation. WP dont have that problem. Whatever, lets play
Another thing I noticed….WP did not miss many tackles….and SBR rugby is all about space…you miss a tackle and it opens up…If your defence is not up to scratch you will loose. Running rugby is nice to watch bit as some teams like Nam learned today..it is not all about running.
@h2o: Will be good for the KZN crowd. I think your CW team dissapointed the locals a bit today. But as I said before…they came up against a WP team that just clicked better today. Rub of the green.
@Stier: So is Larkham…altwee bring iets anders..dink Elmo sal met Larkham begin en 2de helfte met Jooste begin…hy ken van druk in tight games. Lekker om 2 sulke hakers te hê
@BoishaaiPa: I think maybe another WP Sharks game on the card for AW…. Sharks beat the Lions AW at Bondedag if I remember correct…. yes depth uou have so others will have to use you as a measuring tool…. well done on the win saw the game en julle was classy
@h2o: @h2o: cant agree with you more on the numbers in AW. lots of prestess on coaches. Mamaybe too mu.
still believe that you pick your critical combinations by school and not by potential. not good enough and actually detrimental to the player.
just again &%%@@* boergemors
Jy is reg Sean sal een of ander tyd loop, maar mens hoop maar. Wat hy gedoen het in so ‘n kort tyd is merkwaardig.
Sover dit die span betref, ek dink dit is die verskil tussen die WP en meeste ander spanne, die WP het baie diepte. Dink jy Daniel Jooste gaan op die bank sit? Daai seun is ‘n yster.
@Hooit: WP was 28-3 up at some stage..good comeback by the Lions…Think WP lost composure and Lions pounced…feedback I got from over there. Still a good win over what I hear is a very good Lions AW team. Most of those boys were part of the Lions 2015 GK team that was unbeaten.
@Grasshopper: you are talking crap..to say they only target certain games for a win…. they target every game as a win….why then play game 2 and 3 if you not in it to win it… maybe have the right players in positions or reserves and your backup or reserve players will not weaken your side….
@h2o: It’s absolute BS that GW send 28 boys to trials. 2nd team players in the AW team. 3rd team player from GW playing Craven Week. KZN is a joke. We want to see the best players in the positions not the best school.
That WP team is a complete team. Well done to the selectors, the schools and the coaches.
@Greenman: we can do a lot of fingerpointing but fact is the problem starts at trials…. hopper wants to blame subs but 3/6 from today were GW…… How the hell do you justify GW 2nd team players in CW….. lineout stats from today Sharks 11 lineoutz won 5 lost 6…. scrums got dominated…. JJ was dissapointing mißsed tackle that lead to Larkam 1st try…. he got handed of which lead to du plessies try…. look at what he did in minute 65… just a message to Grasshopper dont make him a champ if he hasnt played against the champs… there is enough depth in kzn but you leave your best #2 #7#13#15 in AW…… agree dont mess with Richardson at 2 he got exposed today he is a brilliant loosy dont mess with his career….sharks backlone midfield looks more like ballroom dancers instead of linebreakers…. i am sure the boys will stand up and deliver on Saturday. … geluk WP…..
@Grasshopper: JJ needs off season conditioning..if done right with his size he could be a meanie next year…Moerat was already “Moerhard” at u/16. WP was just better coached today and played at pace that KZN players maybe not use to. As I said before..these games are no reflections on individuals or schools but all about how a team plays as a unit. KZN won some small battles but the war was won by a better team. You need more than one school’s players that are use to tough games in such a setup.
bSharks playing players out of position drives me up the wall. Richardson is not a hookers backside. Should be on flank but then Meyer is suddenly a flank to be changed by Brummer who also not a flank. The lineouts was a mess. Dont know who called what but Richardson could not find them even if there was nobody else. To many Kearsney players butunderstsandable as Kearnsney were the main peanuts in selection. How that works nobody knows. I believe in keeping your structure players. Hooker with his locks and scrummie and flyhalf is a must. very didsapointing and &%*%## boergemors. this is not Glenwood.
@Stier: I think todays frontrow will start on Sat….dont let numbers on a jersey confuse you..all these players in WP side are good enough as starters…just depends on the coaches gameplan.
@Muzi: I am not so sure about Carstens, he is good but I think Jondre was better. Also interesting to see that today the WP 10 didn’t get the same ball as against Boland and the back line didn’t get as much ball to play with as they did in the previous game. Like I said Carstens is good but I think he plays a different kind of game, it looks at times if he wants to do something special from every ball and sometimes a srummie must just let the ball go.
@Muzi: Just some info..Sean coaches the Boishaai 1st XV and Grant Khomo side…The WP CW team is coached by Elmo Wolfaardt…Sean’s assistant coach at Boishaai. Sean was appointed as the SA Schools coach though.
@Stier: yep, all teams have to cope with shuffling their sides. KZN don’t have the depth of other large unions so a couple of changes significantly weakens the side. The EP game was obviously the one they targeted a win and got it. Maybe that win made them complacent, who knows. Again, well played WP, certainly hit their straps….
@boerboel: nope not Internet hard man, hence why I said I’ll call you a twat to your face. How you can belittle & degrade kids publicly is disgusting. Pure filth! This site has certain morales and rules that you certainly don’t abide by…
Once the starting front row came and flyhalf things got better. Weideman should not be there, gives away too many penalties. Vorster is a hooker not a prop, Richardson should play flank and Jared Meyer should partner JJ and captain. Hopefully they do this for the final game. KZN lacking class halfbacks. Martin Holtzhausen and Maduna the pick.
What a game, WP was awesome in the first half. Moerat did’t have his best game and was put under pressure, but he was the target for the Sharks that was clear. I wonder how the Sharks locks would have done if they were the main target in the forwards. That said they did manage to keep him busy and he will learn from that, or at least I hope so. He did still manage to score and showed good hands to create a try for the winger so he can’t be that bad?
As for first choice players, WP also played with some second choice players and made even more changed more first choice players in the second half. WP started the match with two second choice player in the frontrow and at six, Sardein their main fetcher didn’t play. Their scrummie and inside center also didn’t play and in the second half their flyhalf was also replaced.
I think the best scrummie isn’t even in the team but that is my opinion.
Once again awesome performance from the boys and the best all round performance off all the teams so far. But finals is a different thing and we will have to see what happens tomorrow and Saturday. Personally I can’t wait for tomorrow’s big game good luck to both teams, but my hart says BB.
@Muzi: he is from up that side. Boerboel is a complete twat and I would tell him to his face it he is too scared to say who he supports. In fact I would love the blog to require real names, I’m not scared to use mine. Suddenly he will shut up…
@Muzi: he will get conditioned end of season, been carrying a few injuries this season. Again, he has just turned 17. Paul Willemse was bigger than him when he played CW. I also think he is a bit too loose at times and needs to be in the rucks rather than defending out wide.
Damn…the french scouts don’t play games….think about it if you were offered millions..would you turn down the opportunity to go to the Montpellier Rugby Academy after matric?!?!…NOooooooooooooo waysssssssss…
@boerboel: who played the Grant Khomo & under 13 final, KZN you Naartjie! Glenwood have beaten Boishaai, Bishops & Paul Roos in the past so again you taking kak!
Well played Province, too much depth. Sharks bench starting today got blown off the park in 1st half. Once the starters came on in the 2nd half the score was 17-5, more respectable. That doesn’t show the ability of the Sharks, just she’ll shocked. Richardson had a blinder.
Wandile Simelane “is an outrageously talented rugby player”…..that’s all that I’m hearing and reading from pundits & the media in SA……Wandile Mjekevu was seen as a potential Springbok legend in the making?!?!…..where in the blue hell is he now?!?! at the EP Kings……….
The only competition WP is getting is from the time keeper. Not sure who is going to get to 70 first but my money is on the WP to beat the timekeeper. 43 – 0 for WP
@McCulleys Workshop: Cant make that comment. There is no Sharks player in the game let alone outplaying a WP player. I am keeping a special eye on that duel. He had n very few carries early and a few missed tackles. The pace of the game is too fast for all the Sharks
@Stier: Some, if not most, “of those young Zulu warriors” in the KZN sides, you refer to,are actually from the old Transkei- Xhosas, where rugby is in fact first choice. Jy sukkel werklik om die omvang van hierdie probleem te besef. Jy kan nie rugby op n gemeenskap afdwing wat tradissioneel, sokker, as voorkeur het nie, veral nie omdat rugby, in vorige skole waar dit gespeel was, verdwyn het. Daar is spelers in van die Akademiespanne, wat 4s en 5s vir hulle skole speel, om getalle op te maak.
@Hooit: Ek moet se gauteng, anders neem mense dit weer as ‘n persoonlike aanval op hulle of hulle skool. Ek weet regtig nie hoeveel kinders van die kaap indien enig vir die Leeus se o/18 speel nie. Feit is Florida Laerskool het verseker ‘n hele klomp van die kaap in hulle eerste span gehad en van hulle het vir die Leeus o/13 uit gedraf.
Die BB is ‘n ander storie ek vermoed daar is heelwat van daai seuns wat van die kaap kom en in die kaap gewerf is. Niemand hier sal ooit se hoeveel van daai seuns kom van die kaap nie. En as mens vra sal jy sleg gese word. Mense hier is so liggeraak mens moet in kodes praat om hulle nie om te krap nie en moenie dink om onverskoning te vra oor ‘n inkorrekte stelling help nie. Gaan lees 114. En die mense erken hulle kry kinders van die kaap gaan lees 118, 189, 245 en 247 maar daar is meer. Ek weet vir ‘n feit daar is skole in Pretoria wat aktief hier in die kaap werf. Of dit reg is is my vraag niks anders nie. Is die idee nie dat elke provinsie sy bes moet doen om alle kinders in sy provinsie by rugby betrokke te kry nie? Ek weet dit gaan nie orals ewe maklik wees nie maar skole soos Laerskool Uitsig in Centurion het dit gedoen. Ben doen awesome werk daar, is hulle op standaard ? Ek weet nie maar dit is hoe mens begin ek het dit ook all in my sport gedoen en gesien en baie van die kinders het al SA’s gewen. So asb. verstaan ek se niemand sleg nie dit is egter verkeerd om te dink dit gebeur nie.
@Stier: Maak nie saak nie maar sover my kennis strek is almal van Gauteng. As da 1 in 23 is van Laerskool af neem ek aan jou fete met die Bulle gaan voort. Ek weet WP self het n speler wat o13 Leeus gespeel het en toe Kaap toe is. Hoekom is ek nie seker nie.
@Stier: Die Lions se o/13 dink ek het drie Florida seuns wat van die Kaap kom in hulle span gehad. Ek sal die name probeer kry maar die een was ‘n agsteman en twee in die backs. Ons het vroeer die jaar teen hulle gespeel.
Maar wat dink jy, het die minister van sport “coloured” spelers as deel van die kwota gesien of het hy bedoel “black” spelers? Ek kyk nou na die Namibia span ek wonder of hulle ‘n kwota het? Hulle lyk baie wit, moet ons hulle toelaat as hulle nie kwota het nie? Die hele kwota ding is belaglik.
Ek het al genoem dat die WP wou hulle o/13 B aan die sasol week ontrek omdat baie provinsies nie die 11/11 kwota gekies het nie. Die ander provinsies het nog op ‘n 18/4 split gewerk van die vorige jaar. Op die ou end het die WP toe gegaan nadat die ouers druk op die unie gesit het deur koerante toe te gaan. Die WP het toe die toernooi gewen al het hulle met ‘n kwota van 11/11 gespeel teen die meeste ander unies wat met ‘n 18/4 kwota gespeel het.
I don’t think the minister of sport see so called ” coloured” people as qouta players he meant, if you like “black” players. In that case all the provinces except maybe for those in the eastern cape region will have a problem. Must say the Sharks seem to bring some young Zulu warriors in that don’t play to badly. Maybe the others unions can have a chat with them to find out how they do it?
As for Paarl, a principal of one of the primary schools told me that he has to register his school each year with his union. He has a choice whether he wants to register with Boland or WP. So it seems the primary schools have a choice as to which union they want to join.
@Playa: Perhaps the “suspects” were seen walking, with wife and few kids, and insisting on married quarters for their contracts-at U 19 level ??
In the meantime, the French clubs, I believe, are looking for the 20 top players at the tournament, straight from school. So, a few Dlaminis or Vander Merwes, playing for France soon, is a strong possibility.
@Hooit: Ek dog jy was in die Kaap gewerf? Ek weet Florida Laerskool het ‘n par seuns wat hulle hier in die kaap kom haal het. Daarom wat ek se gauteng. Maak dit saak wanneer die kind gewerf is?
@Bog, daar is “swart” skole in gauteng wat rugby as hulle hoof sport speel. Meeste is Engels maar hulle is daar.
Bush (428) – what are you smoking ? The Paarl schools to join Boland ! Paarl has never been part of Boland and never will. For this to happen, it will entail a change in borders. Do you think WP will allow this ? Boland, Gim and Boishaai all field 24+ teams on a Saturday. Who would they play against ? Drostdy – maybe.
@BOG: No I am not saying that. I am not familiar with all the player’s ‘origin’ Just want clarity from Stier who is. Maybe the 1 Florida player but not sure. Otherwise not any that I know off.
@Hooit: So, as I suspected, its “eenie, meenie, minie, mow”. You are saying that there are no players in the Lions side, who is not originally from Dale? Then, its a first in many years.
@Stier: Nou weet jy ook waarom daardie streke geen keuse het as om elders te werf nie. Afrikaanse skole in die WP, Boland of SWD en Engelse skole in die Ooskaap of Grens, waar rugby wel daardie komponent se eerste keuse is. Dit verander egter nie die feit dat hulle, die ander streke, met “handicap” speel nie.
Dit is baie jammer dat die verloorder tussen die Leeus en Bulle of WP en Sharks nie die Vrystaat speel nie. Mens verstaan een van die top spanne gaan uit mis op ‘n kans vir die finaal maar om dan nie eers een van die ander sterk spanne te speel nie is jammer. As ek hulle was sou ek lekker demoer in gewees het.
@Grasshopper don’t you worry they check their ages. Don’t backtrack on JJ, regardless his age you made a statement that he is better than Moerat and that Moerat is not physical, but we will see today. Good luck to your team may the best ref win….I mean best team win, sorry about that.
Talking of refs the standard is shocking. Seconds really disappointed me, I was wondering at one stage if he was even sober? The offside lines at the breakdowns and kicks is not policed at all, it was very bad in the Sharks vs EP game.
Overall it has been good, defense not always but I prefer teams with a attacking mindset anyway so I won’t complain to much. The next few days is going to have so awesome games, I can’t wait.
@BOG: I had a chat with one of the Lions ‘officials’ yesterday after the Lions game as to why the Tuesday pool of teams were stronger as the Monday group and how they decide who play against who on day ‘2’. After each CW ‘they’ sit down and rate the teams according to them. Based on their ratings they get divided into 2 groups. Due to the poor performance bybthe Lions last year they were not rated as part of the top 6 teams and ended up with The Bulls and Free State. Then during each days games they look at who will make for the best match ups. Unless the Bulls and WP lost they have already been tipped to play in the final so it was alway an question who is most deserved of a spot against the Bulls and WP. At the time of the conversation the official himself did not know if the Lions or Free State will play against the Bulls. It seems like they were more impressed with the Lions on the day and they got chosen.
@chief: Each player must play 70 minutes of rugby within the 1st 2 games. It becomes a nightmare on who has played how many minutes if subs are used so most teams try an get it out if the way and not use subs. Injuries are excluded from this rule. Lions fir example replaced the prop due to injury and the lock in the last 8 minutes due to blood.
@BOG: Ek weet nie van die Vrystaat nie maar van die Guateng se skole werf in die kaap so baie van hulle kwota komponent speel rugby as hulle eerste sport.
Na elke span se tweede wedstryd moet ELKE speler een volle wedstryd gespeel het. So dit beteken hy moet of in die eerste of tweede wedstryd begin het en dan die wedstryd geëndig het ook.
En almal het “gedink” dit gaan oor “point difference” wat duidelik nie die situasie was nie.
Can anyone close to the Lions tell me why they didn’t put on all their reserves at HT v SWD? If memory serves, the bench strength is not at the same standard as the starting line-up. Am I correct that they must play WP with all their reserves for most of the game?
@Valkie: Sal soos jy, moet raai. Ek weet dat waar daar meer as 4 spanne sou “kwalifiseer” , dan was daar gekyk na wie die mees aanskoulikste rugby gespeel het, dws “hardlooprugby”. Maar selfs dit, sal seker ook as subjektief beskou kan word.
I think the 5 teams of WP, Sharks, Cheetahs, Lions and Bulls are all very much on par, with each one bringing his own strengths. It will all come down to team dynamics and which teams players gel the best on the day. Win or loose, I don’t think it will be a reflection on individual players or their schools, just that the one team clicked better on the day than the other. They are all very competitive and well balanced.
Team Day 1 Province, Team Day 2 Lions. WP vs KZN today will be an exciting encounter. GW vs Paarl Boys. I heard that the 3 schools that make up the bulk of WP Schools will fall under Boland next. WP will struggle next year.
@Grasshopper: I am sure that the ages of these boys have been verified. I do not think that even one union would want to be named and shamed regarding illegal players. The kids are just getting bigger. When I went to school many, many years ago you just did not see these type of big boys.
@BOG: Ek wonder al jare hoe die 4 finale spanne bepaal. Daar word seker met die een of ander formule gewoeker om die spanne te bepaal. Ek het egter gedink dat julle wat al jare en jare by skolerugby betrokke is vir ons leuke insig sal kan gee?
Ek geniet egter hierdie jaar se CW, ek dink daar word goeie rugby gespeel. Ek sien uit na vandag se wedstryde. Namibië is vir my ‘n goeie verrassing maar ek hoop die Pumaseuns trek ‘n wen deur.
@chief: Ek het so iets natuurlik vermoed. Amper soos n Amerikaanse verkiesing wat voor die tyd bepaal word- selected not elected. Dus manipulasie. Hulle moet beslis meer gewig gee aan die wedstryde voor CW om n beter balans te kry. Daai wedstryde sal dan ook meer ernstig deur die unies opgeneem word.@BrotherBear: Of n span met te veel Monnas of Affies nie? Maar ek moet darem se, dat dit al n prestasie is vir spanne soos Lions, Bulle, Vrystaat en andere om op hierdie vlak mee te ding, waar rugby nie n voorkeursport is van die kwota komponent nie.
Wie is hulle? Gaan doen jou huiswerk, daar is 13 GCB’s in daardie span en elke speler van HTS Louis Botha doen sy deel net so goed soos die ou langs hom.
Hierdie tipe goed is al beplan lank voor Craven Week. Jy kan nie laas jaar se krag wil meet teen van jaar se Vrystaat span om ons op dag 4 Luiperds te gee nie? Gaan kyk na al die Bondedag wedstryde Vrystaat wen Griffons 43-12 met gemak, waar Lions 53-40 die Griffons klop in ‘n wedstryd wat nie maklik was vir die Lions span nie. My vraag is nou waarom kan ons nie Lions of Bulls speel vir ‘n hoof wedstryd op Dag 4 nie?
I’ll throw a spanner in the works here, have ALL the boys ages been checked & verified? Walking about Kearsney the other day many of these ‘boys’ certainly don’t look their age and it’s got nothing to do with size. A fear a few Thom’s are playing this week…
@boerboel: Ou boerboef, die realiteit van SA verteenwoordigende spanne is dat sommige streke/spanne, waar rugby nie n natuurlike eerste keuse sport is nie, hulle maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind, speel. As ek dus in n streek is, waar dit nie die geval is nie, sal ek maar my mond hou en nie op n ashoop staan en kraai nie. Jy moet besef dat daar spelers is in eg spanne, wie vir hulle skole, in die 5e spanne speel. Dit is die omvang van hulle “handicap”.Dit verduidelik ook waarom, wanneer hulle by O20 kom,word hulle, as die “talentvolles”, voorgehou, en sien hulle hul gat, 6-0, by die WB.En dit, terwyl werklike talent oor die hoof gesien is, en of ophou speel het, of landuit is om elders te gaan speel. En dan staan iemand soos jy, trots met jou gebrekkige inligting, en kraai op jou mishoop. Jy BS jouself.
@Hooit: Ek dink ook die WP sal hom vat maar die sharks gaan nie maklik wees daar by die huis nie hulle gaan reg wees vir hierdie een. Die BB Leeus gaan oorlog wees, ek sal maar geld in die bank hou vir daai een. Altwee spanne het sterk pak, ek dink tog die Bulle het dalk bietjie meer x-faktor agter. Die Leeus se 10 lyk ook na ‘n man met ‘n plan en hulle sal hom moet stil hou. Kan nie wag nie en dan wag die Vrystaat ook nog.
Vandag se spanne het sterker gelyk as gister of is dit my verbeelding? Leeus, Bulle of Vrystaat sal ‘n groot game wees. More se WP Sharks game behoort goed te wees, ek dink dit kan ‘n close een wees. Daai Sharks gaan nie maklik gewen word by die huis nie, daar sal bietjie ekstra motiveering wees met oom John en grasshopper daar of hoe?
@Bere007: Soos ek vermoed het jy beledig maar net, jy is nou die kans gegee om ‘n punt te bewys maar kom nie. Nee man ek is seker jy kan beter doen as dit. Soos jy geseg het lekker slaap ou grote.
Ou Bere ek weet nie wat om vir jou te se nie, dit lyk my jy dink die lewe is swart en wit?
Ek se jou wat wys my een plek waar ek jou skool sleg gese het. Die enigste plek waar jy kan se ek ‘n skool afgekraak het was toe ek gese het Uitsig High se rugby is swak. Herder het ek nog nooit ‘n skool sleg gese op enige forum nie. Veral nie Pearson nie, tensy jy die teendeel kan bewys stel ek voor jy vra onverskoning en ons gaan aan.
Mooi Bulle dit was awesome. Bulle en Leeus gaan ‘n groot game wees. Die loskop het gesukkel maar die 10, 12 en 15 baie goed.
@Bere007 ek weet nie eers waar is Pearson nie en het niks van hulle gese nie?
Ek het maar gemengde gevoelens by cw ek is ‘n BB supporter maar die WP skole rugby is nou waar my seun speel so albei is maar in my hart. En die feit dat die Bulle met so baie WP kinders speel maak die ding nog meer ingewikkeld of hoe dink jy?
@Stier… Hehehe …. Wie die laaste lag , lag die…….. Bulle toe heel skaflik vertoon of hoe…. Moet se ek het niks anders van jou verwag nie …. So vroom antwoord vir n man wat alles begin het en ons skool probeer sleg se …. Nag ou grote …..
@BOG: not since I was found out. If you have followed the conversation from the start you will understand why the sarcasm.. Believe what you like, I see it is the way of many on this forum.
@BoishaaiPa: En die eerste Springbokspanne was maar uitsluitlik uit die WP gekies, nie omdat hulle al die talent gehad het nie, maar hulle het omtrent nerens elders rugby gespeel nie.
@Playa: Well, that is what he said, but has since he was found out, said that it was sarcasm?????@boerboel: As dit hulle eerste wedstryd van die jaar was, kan jy seker nie verwag dat hulle vorige oorwinnings sal he nie, of hoe? Watter skool steun jy? En van wanneer is die Boland magtig?@BoishaaiPa: Eenvoudig eintlik, ek probeer ou geskiedenis vermy, en SA skolespanne was maar eers sedert die middel 70s gekies.
Sorry playa, I would like to translate but it will take me the entire cw to do so. Just a little argument about youngster of colour in the cape being “helped” by schools in Guateng and then they end up playing rugby there.
@BOG: I didn’t catch that conversation. My eyes tend to drift away quickly at sentence number 3 when reading Afrikaans. Do I think the Cape has ALL the talent? No, not ALL – they, do however, have the most simply because of numbers.
Ek moet se ek het gedink SWD gaan die Leeus ‘n harder wedstryd gee. Die Leeus se 10 lyk na ‘n goeie speler. Vrystaat se 12 en 13 is ysters maar hulle het seker nie ‘n keuse nie die Vrystaat het altyd goeie senters. Geluk aan albei spanne. Go Bulle? As die Bulle wen kry die WP ‘n bonus punt?
@Grasshopper: We will see tomorrow, I have been watching Moerat for the last three years or so, he puts in big hits believe me. Bakkies was a smasher like Moerat. But JJ and Moerat will hopefully settle the argument tomorrow. Can’t wait for that game, I like the 10 and 13 from the sharks there is going to be some nice matchups.
@Stier: JJ van der Mescht was smashing guys back and all over the park, usually with 3 or 4 tackles hanging on for dearlife. Moerat is the Matfield type and JJ the Bakkies type, good combo. JJ is not the finished product but gosh he has the raw materials & in grade 11 to be immense in 2017. Hope he makes SA Schools maybe as a back up lock to get into the system. Moerat was manhandled by a few Boland forwards. I was there on halfway watching carefully….especially the lock play as that is my favourite position…
@Playa: Do you then believe him that all the rugby talent is in the Cape? And while you establish that, please translate his response. I think that he may have had an early braai.
@robbie: Antwoord is maklik, die Superrugby spanne het verdedigingspatrone. So ver by Craven Week maar bitter min goeie verdediging gesien en dit verklaar die Netbal tellings.
@h2o: Ek wonder of dit nie veel eenvoudiger is nie. Op skool oefen die kinders dalk 12 ure ‘n week? Van die seuns sal meer oefen ander weer minder. Baie kinders word gekies omdat hulle “talent” het maar kan hulle hard werk? In Rusland sal kinders van 12 jaar oud 24 uur ‘n week oefen om eendag bo te kom. Hulle verwys na die 10000 golden hours. Hulle glo ‘n atleet moet 10000 ure oor tien jaar periode oefen om internationaal kompeterrend te wees. Ek wonder net hoeveel van ons seuns kan net eenvoudig nie die harde werk en lang ure vat nie. Gaan vra vir Ryk Neetling hoeveel ure ‘n week oefen sy top skool swemmers daar by hom, jy sal skrik.
@Stier: My wereld, ek en seker vele ander, insluitend die Springbokkeurders, toe meriete nog belangrik was, het al die talent in die Kaap oor die jare totaal misgekyk-sedert CW in die 60s begin het. Hoeveel Springbokke, in vergelyking met ander streke, het al daardie talent uiteindelik opgelewer?
One thing that worries me a little is some of the basic mistakes. You can see the kids want to try things but it is not coached or practiced. One hand offloads when they can pass with both hands, chip kicks that scew of the boot. The sharks 21 can’t pass left, his technique passing left is awefull. I think some of the boys are trying to hard but who can blame them. Let’s hope they settle as the week progress and they stick to what they trained and can do.
The WP back line looks very dangerous, and I like the sharks 13, the ep 12 and the cheetahs 12 and 13. Some good centers around.
@Grasshopper: Moerat not physical? I watched te game on TV and he made some huge tackless as he always does. But which lock that you saw on day one was more physical than him? I am really interested in hearing your answer.
@Bere007: Hahaha….. jy is snaaks. Ek bly in die kaap en my seun gaan maar hier skool, hier waar al die talent in ons land is. Jou stelling wys maar weereens daai pta metaliteit van niemand gun niemand niks nie. Hier in die kaap geniet ons mekaar se kompetisie maar ons het nie nodig om so jaloers en kleinseerig te wees nie, hier is oor genoeg talent en goeie coaching vir almal. Ek skryf stadig net vir jou, ek hou van Affies se rugby, maar ek het geen lojaliteit teenoor hulle nie verstaan ons nou? Volgende jaar as my seun op skool is sal ek vra. Geniet die cw, ons sal sien wat maak jou BB.
@robbie: dit was n baie goeie 1ste dag met n paar taai wedstryde… kan ek my opinie gee oor wat na skool gebeur…. jou groter unies betaal duisende vir n skool seun wat dan op reputasie gaan en sommige van hulle is nie emosioneel volwasse om daardie druk te verwerk nie…. die unie moet hom kies ten koste van n ander seun wat wel harder moes werk om in die span te wees omdat hulle geld bele het in die eerste seun… tweedens word daar te veel op wen en te min op genot en talent spandeer…. kyk hoe celebrate die nz spanne na n drie en kyk wat doen sa en aus na n drie. Jy kan sien hulle geniet die game…. kyk hoe geniet die manne driee op CW dan vergelyk jy dit met ons super spanne saterdag…. ek se sa rugby moet se bv 200 jongmanne identifiseer en hulle deur o19 vlak in die currie beker develop tot die standaard wat ons soek…… nie net 2 of 3 unies nie….wanneer die manne op standaard is maak vodacom cup of varsity cup o23 en met net currie beker of s16 wat dan op meriete gaan…. jy sal veel beter talent en development kry met so stelsel……
@Hoot: Kan dalk strategies wees om manne so op te sit. Spaar groter verskeidenheid van vaardighede vir latere wedstryde. Ek verstaan elkeen moet ten minste een volle wedstryd speel, en kan net gesub word indien besering opduik?
@odie15: @Rugbyman: It’s definitely happened before. I can’t remember all the examples, but the one example that I can remember with certainty is the St Albans boy in 2012, Abongile Nonkontwana made the SA Schools side after playing for the Bulls team in the AW.
@HooIt: is daar nie 2 bal stelers voor nie? Mark nogals goed met donkiewerk ook. Span sal maar moet aanpas met verloop van wedstryd Hoor die SWD nie so warm. Sal maar sien later – dis op boksie. Sterkte vir julle manne.
@Grasshopper: Crowshaw had a great game and pulled off a number of steals, and I though Maduna was great on defence. Can’t disagree with Buffel and H20 on the 2/8 discussion, although I though Richardson was great with ball in hand. It will be telling to see how we do against WP.
@BrotherBear: Stem saam in baie areas met jou. Dink fisies gaan ons voor kort vandag en as Mark nie op sy beste is nie gaan ons sukkel op die losbal. Kom ons kyk maar. Daar gaan te veel bal draers by die Leeus wees vandag en te min donkies.
WP CW was by tye absoluut skitterend. Het nooit die idee gehad dat hulle in die moeilikheid is ten spyte van 14-0 agterstand nie. Wat wel pla is hulle gesukkel in die skrums en hul onvermoe om druk toe te pas op die opposisie se ingooie in lynstaan nie. Die agterlyn gaan nog verder versterk word met Du Plessis se insluiting op vleuel. Boland gaan beslis ook van hulle laat hoor hoewel hulle seker gister hul beste span gespeel het.
Ek het gister meer skills gesien op een dag as wat ek Saterdag by al die Super 15 wedstryde saam gesien het. Wonder of die experts nou tevrede is ? Nou die groot vraag : Wat word van hierdie styl van total rugby na skool ? Hoe is dit moontlik dat ons afrigters op die vlak dit regkry om hierdie pragtige rugby uit hulle uit te dril binne 2 jaar nadat die spelers skool verlaat het.
Gister was beslis die beste eerste dag van CW wat ek nog gesien het.
@h2o: Always said Richardson was an 8 and Prinsloo to start at 2. In a tournament like this you need grunt and physicality. Prinsloo has that in abundance. Richardson has played most if not all his rugby a loose forward. Very late to switch to hooker in the biggest schoolboy tournament in the country where reputations and careers are born.
@Ploegskaar, @Die Ken, @Hooit: Die manne vertel my dat Leeus AW span met ten minste 60 moet gewen het. Voorlangs totaal gedomineer maar agter was afronding ‘n probleem. Ek weet agterlyn is baie gevaarlik indien hulle kliek.
Op vraag of AW no 8 in CW span moet wees: wel, verstaan dat hy (Liam van den Berg) gister man of the match was. Well done aan Helpmekaar. Dit se dalk ook iets oor sy vermoe, potensiaal, BMT, ens. Gesprekke was al vroeer gehou, maar persoonlik sou my CW lostrio die volgende gewees het:
6 – Mark Snyman
7 – Liam van den Berg
8 – Cristen van Niekerk
Dis nou na die maal en manne sal maar moet uithaal en wys, waar hulle gekies is. Dis die lekker ding van altwee toernooie op een site. Keurders (afrigter invloed) gaan in toekoms 2 maal moet dink voor hulle manne voortrek (Monnas en Florida). Geneuk is dat hulle dalk manne heeltemal sal uit los.
Hou ons asb op hoogte van gebeure.
Curtis and then later Ritchie… the latter coming onto the field in the 2nd half and also having some good runs. my question is they choose Richardson as #2 but play him at 8?????? with the way it looks now Voster will be the go to man at hooker if 16 battles plus he picked up a injury….. imo they should have chosen DR at #8 from the beginning…and excuse me if i sound a bit biased have chosen a more reputable #2 We will see against a stronger WP pack what the selection process thought is. Sharks have silenced a lot of critics on day 1 with their game plan and execution… hope it builds for the rest of the week.
@h2o: you right, we lost I think 3 lineouts in a row, in front. So we need to sort that. We didn’t use JJ much at lineout time either. Maybe he is too big to lift, not sure. I would use him at 2 ball a lot & lighter flanks at 4 and at the back. Who was the flyhalf? Thought he played well, especially on defence
@Grasshopper: I agree with you but we battled at scrum time and line out time. I have never seen a front row hinge/pop backwards as the sharks did at the one scrum….with all 3 popping. I was dissapointed in EP and had the feeling if Mafu did not pitch up the rest of the team battled. it was only late in second half that they (EP)started playing to their true potential but by then the Sharks had done enough. Sharks were great in open play…. JJ was to in my opinion MOM…. Richardson and Meyer also stuck up their hands….10/12/13 were solid in attack and def…. 9 just needs to be more decisive at base of ruck sometimes taking a step before making option, if he is more assertive they will not put a hand on him. Yes Wednesday will be a true test.
Great day at Kearsney yesterday, impressed by the Boland side, especially No8, lock and loose head. WP were not as impressive as I thought they would be. Moerat is good, does what he needs too, but lacks physicality for me. He certainly isn’t an enforcer. KZN showed we no pushovers and all of the team had good games. Not being bias but JJ, Renier & Martin Holtzhausen had excellent outings, all putting their hands up for higher Honours. Richardson was busy & Jared Meyer led well. Excited by Weds vs WP…
@Die Ken: Laat ek so verduidelik. Die oorspronklike AW 8 was Van Niekerk. Monnas se 7 flank. Die CW slot van Monnas het toe ontrek agv n skouer operasie. Die AW 8, van Niekerk is toe opgetrek na CW span as slot. Die C span 8, van den berg, is toe opgetrek na AW.
@Stier… Vra asb vir Beet om jou te tooi in die Affie trui …. dit is eintlik maar waar jou denke, standpunte en stellings gewortel is…..Sterkte vir die BB CW span vandag…..
@Ploegskaar: Daai een is n storie met 2 of eintlik 3 kante so ek los maar. Gaan nie by rugby politiek hier op die blog betrokke raak nie. Net die feite op daai een. AGV die ontrekking van die CW slot het die akademie 8 opgeskuif CW span toe en die huidige AW 8 opgeskuif AW toe. Sal vandag sien hoe lyk die CW losvoorspelers teen goeie kompetisie.
@odie15: The only negative is that you can’t watch sll the games. If you at the A field you cannot watch B firld games and the other way around. They should have played all CW games on Monday and Wednesday and all AW games on Tuesday and Thursday.
@Hooit: Ek steur maar min wat ek hier lees, en weet dalk meer van Leeus en ander as wat jy reken. Op daai noot, dink jy nie Akademie 8 moes dalk in CW span gewees het nie? ?
@Ploegskaar: Moet maar nie alles glo wat jy hier lees nie. Dalk 1 of klein miskien 2 spelers wat ongelukkig kan wes om nie in CW span te wees nie. Ek glo die WP Akademie span behoort te wen. Leeus Akademie kom net nie reg nie. Moes vandag baie verder gewen het. Asof span nie saam speel nie en nog steeds proewe speel vir plek in CW span.
@Djou: Glo maar wat jy wil. Ek het een ding genoem wat jy gese het nie waar is nie en ek het dit so aanvaar. Nou is dit feite, meervoud? Soos ek se jy lees maar selektief.
@Hooit: Leeus sal op hul kop wees, netnie ‘n Riversdaller vlak kyk nie. WP Akademie vs Leeus Akademie gaan taai wees, Leeu Akademie span glo beter as CW span, of so sê ouens van Helpendehand
@Ploegskaar: Solank dit in n goeie gesindheid gebeur hiekom nie. Dit lyk my die Leeus rus n paar groot kanonne vir Donderdag. Die manne vir die fisiese game begin op die bench. Hoop maar dis nie n geval van die kar voor die perd span nie. Maar julle boere sal beter weet van kar en perd?
COCA‐COLA U18 CRAVEN WEEK ‐ STOTT FIELD
1 09h35 Griffons vs Griquas CD
2 11h00 Griquas vs Zimbabwe
3 12h25 Boland vs EP
4 13h50 Pumas vs Namibia
5 15h15 WP vs Sharks
COCA‐COLA ACADEMY WEEK ‐ AH SMITH OVAL
1 08h35 EP CD vs SWD
2 09h55 Valke CD vs Griquas CD
3 11h15 Griffons vs Pumas
4 12h35 Griffons CD vs SA LSEN
5 13h55 WP vs Lions
6 15h15 Sharks vs Border
@Stier: Jy het als op jouself gebring met verkeerde feite wat jy hier versprei wat opsigself ‘n persoonlike aanval op Garsies is en Garsies in diskrediet bring. Ons sal veel eerder op die rugby wil fokus. So as jy genoeg gehad het dan los ons dit daar.
@Vra maar net: Het my amper doodgelag toe ek Mark Antony Greeff se foto sien. Jy moet oppas om hom nie ongevraagd in te sleep in iets waarvan jy bitter min weet. Nietemin die een Persoon in die foto is nie ‘n afrigter nie maar ‘n ondersteuner van die skool en die ander een is verantwoordelik vir die Garsie provinsiale spelers se belange. So daar het jy dit. Tog vreemd dat die agent nie fotos plaas van die ander skole se verteenwoordigers nie. Maar nou ja noudat jou groot troefkaart op niks uitgeloop het nie moet jy na iets anders gaan soek om Garsies te slaan. Dis tog al rede waarom jy op die blog is. Ek begin al meer dink Garsies moet soos Affies maak en van die blog onttrek. Dan kan julle met julself speel.
akw, djou, bere007 en ander ek het geen probleem met garsies nie net julle dink ek het. Gaan lees bietjie en hou op om alles so persoonlik te vat. Hoekom is julle so fein gevoeling, het julle rede om te wees? Ek het dan self vir rugbyman verduidelik dat ek respek het vir wat garsies se afrigters met julle rugby reg gekry het. Maar julle persoonlike aanvalle op my is verstommend en ek moet wonder of dit die voorbeeld is wat garsies sou wou sien. Ek het oor al die skole gepraat in gauteng wat hier in die kaap ” help” nie net julle nie. Ek het julle as ‘n voorbeeld genoem nie uitgesonder as die enigste nie. Ek is nou al ‘n lafaard, liegbek, dom ens genoem? So ons moet mekaar net groet en vertel hoe oulik die skole is en nie praat oor dinge wat ons pla nie of wat ons voel moet dalk verander nie? Ek is nie ‘n politikus nie net ‘n coach wat van sport hou en wil he die bokke moet weer gereeld die AB’s se gate skop soos in die ou dae voor isolasie. En gaan lees maar weer ek het na die gemiddelde speler verwys en nie na die AB’s as gemiddeld nie. Dit lyk my dit is ‘n probleem hier, party mense lees baie selektief en sien meer in wat hulle lees as wat daar is. Ek hou van Affies se rugby ek weet bitter min wat by hulle of garsies of enige hoerskool in Pretoria aangaan. Laerskool sport waar die regte ontwikkeling moet plaasvind is baie nader aan my hart.
Maar wat dink julle manne van daai WP onder 18 cw span? Baie foute in die begin maar daai agterlyn is awesome of hoe seg ek? As hulle eers gaan kliek gaan die ander spanne moet sorg dat daai back line nie een bal kry nie.
@Stier: Amper vergeet ek. Die jaloesie jeens Garsies en pyn oor die skool se sukses drup van jou af en dit is daar vir almal om te sien. Selfs bloggers van ander skole wys jou nou tereg met jou verkeerde aannames. Terloops, ouers het hul kinders sedert die vanmelewe jare 1500 km weggestuur na skole toe omdat hulle beter geleenthede gesoek het. Trouens die soeke na beter geleenthede gebeur oor die wereld heen. Regtig jammer oor die groot pyn wat Garsies vir jou veroorsaak. Hoop jy kry pilletjies daarvoor.
@Vra maar net: Garsies het nog nooit beweer hulle werf nie. Maar jy het almal deurmekaar. Eers se jy agent Greeff – wie hy ookal is – het vir Garsies gewerf. Nou volgens jou werk hy teen Garsies en plaas fotos op Facebook. So watter een van die 2 is dit?
i@Stier: Dankie Stier. Jy is nie ‘n lafaard nie. Maar baie dinge is nou duidelik nadat jy jou belange verklaar het. Nou weet ons waarom jy so ‘n Garsie-hater is en jouself voortdurend weerspreek. Ek neem voortaan al jou beweri gs en nonsens met ‘n knippie sout.
@Stier…. Dankie die golf was lekker….Partymal staan n ou vroeg op as jy 300km moet ry om te gaan golf speel… Dit het ongelukkig niks met brandewyn te doen nie…..Dit klink vir my of jy die ridder op die wit perd is wat self van Gauteng af gery het om die Kaap te gaan waarsku teen die Gautengers en Garsfontein …..As ek so na jou gesange luister dan klink dit of jy een of ander politikus is of een in opleiding is…. Sterkte met daai loopbaan …. Dit hou ongelukkig nie lank nie ….die ouens begin met n spoed maar hardloop vinnig uit teer uit….. Hierdie is maar net n skole rugby blog en dit is al…..
@BoishaaiPa: I don’t have all of that available now…..But it’s great to look back and see the history. Currently many different stories or versions I am reading. But thanks that’s great.
By the way I see Francke is having a field day in WP Ak team now sounds like he is blossoming more the higher the level he plays in!
@Hooit: ja die beste lostrio wat ek in n lang tyd as n eenheid gesien het in die Namibia span….. ek dink hulle voete van die petrol affehaal in 2de helfde
BOG ja Sharks het probleme by afskop tyd… het elke keer wat hulle gescore het griffons toegelaat met sagte driee… nogsteeds n baie vloeiende game…
Sharks 47, Griffons 44. Griffons, the almost “non-existing” Northern Free State ? Confirms my comment that very few FS schools would ever be ashamed in KZN. Well done Griffons !
@h2o: Ja die Namibia game het meeste mense hier aan die praat. Dink as Namibia Woensdag teen Griffons speel kan dit die mooiste game van die week wees.
@Rugbymal: I do not have all the final scores but Namibia beat the Griquas comfortable. Pumas beat the Griffons with 2 points. WP beating tge Boland comfortable in the end. Sharks EP playing now.
@LAEVELDER: Ek het al so genoem ook verskeie kere
My predictions at 237 pretty accurate so far except for Namibia. Namibia a nice surprise. Now EP to take the Sharks.
@Oakdale supporter: Ek weet. Het maar probeer om die nou eentonige bespreking van beurse te stop. I see in the program booklet SWD smaller than the Lions. Assume they will not play it up front but try to take it wide.
@Leelu: Ben, dankie. Negatiewe? Ek dink julle kyk die ouens reg in julle eie stad mis en dit is hartseer maar goed as dit negatief is so be it. Maar soos jy se ek mors my tyd. Die “talent” is seker maar hier in die kaap?
@Vra maar net: Nie geweet jy en agent-x is sulke goeie maats nie… ons het darem 5 outjies in die span… eks seker die manne mag gaan support? Die manne is die week by die cravenweek ook…
@Stier: Die afrigter waarna jy verwys by Laerskool Uitsig se naam is Ben. Hy is ook ‘n Blou Bul onder 13 afrigter.
Waak daarteen om Garsfontein (en amper alle ander skole) se werwings beleid slegs vanuit ‘n negatiewe oogpunt te sien. Soms is ons geneig om soveel klem op die negatiewe te plaas dat ons die positiewe nie raaksien.
Daar is baie Kaapse kinders wat ‘n geleentheid gebied is by ‘n paar Gauteng skole (nie slegs Garsfontein) wat die geleentheid met beide hande aangegryp het. Die kinders se harde werk en dissipline gepaard met die skool se insette het veroorsaak dat die kinders hoogtes bereik wat hul dalk nie in hul eie omgewing sou kon bereik nie.
Kom ons fokus eerder op die positiewe. Soos die Engels mense sal se “you are flogging a dead horse”
@Stier: “Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is?”
Yes, I offered my son such an opportunity and I can name at least 50 other friends/parents that have done the same. I think that you’ll be a much happier chappie when you accept that not everyone is obliged to see the world the way that you do.
@Rugbyman: Alles het begin by die werwing van kinders in die kaap. Enige kind wat na enige skool wil gaan is sy keuse en dit is reg. Om ‘n kind 1500km van sy huis te vat deur hom te WERF is iets anders. Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is? Ek neem aan die antwoord is nee want vroer het niemand die vraag beantwoord nie.
Soos jy verduidelik het het julle dit in die begin gedoen omdat kinders in PTA se eerste keuse rugby skool nie garsies was nie en hulle eerder Affies of Waterkloof gekies het. So die kinders in die kaap is gewerf vir hulle rugby nie om garsies se wiskunde standard te lig nie.
Baie skole daar in gauteng werf of kom help arm kinders in die kaap. Soos reeds genoem is,is daar heelwat kaapse kinders in Laerskool Florida se o/13 a span. Dink jy laerskool kinders moet al gewerf of gehelp word? En dit vir rugby? Onthou net heirdie ouers en kinders sal nooit kla nie al is dit hoe moeilik vir hulle. Ek het ook sulke mense al gehelp ek praat uit ondervinding.
Wat dinge egter verdag maak is dat heelwat gautengs skole in die laaste tien jaar die behoefte ontwikkel het om arm kinders in die kaap te kom help. Dit is ook verdag dat dit gewoonlik net nie blanke arm kinders is wat goed rugby speel wat gehelp word?
Daar is oorgenoeg kinders in gauteng wat ook rugby speel en ook arm is en ook “hulp” nodig het, en hulle almal gaan nie Affies of Waterkloof toe nie. Ek het geen probleem met enige ou wat mense help nie dit word van ons vereis en ek doen dit ook. Maar jy moet erken die kaap/gauteng skole band met werwing is baie ongewoon en het maar onlangs eers begin hoekom nie in 1940 of 60 of 80 of 90 nie?
@Vra maar net: Verstaan mense nog steeds nie dat jy nie bewerings kan maak op sosiale media nie.Ek dink dit is gevaarlik.Die persoon waarna jy verwys wat dit op facebook plaas is uit lyn uit.
@akw: daar bevestig jy myne ook, enige span het ‘n gemiddeld selfs die all blacks. Hulle gemiddeld mag dalk bo ander sin wees maar hulle het nog steed ‘n gemiddeld of hoe? Tensy ek die konsep van gemiddeld verkeerd verstaan, net soos julle konsep van transformasie verskil van die regering sin?
@odie15: It was only in 1903 they donned the green jersey for the first time…before that they used the jersey of whatever club/union that hosted the match. The very first test was played at Crusaders ground in Port Elizabeth (St Georges Park) and Crusaders apparently used blue jerseys in those days so it is assumed that the boks wore that same jerseys…they played in white jerseys for the 3rd test at Newlands..presumably Villagers colours. There is a picture of the 1891 Newlands team where you can clearly see they are wearing white jerseys. I got confused re the Bishops OD jersey..it was only introduced by Heatlie in 1903 yes…and it was green.
@BoishaaiPa: Straight from the Bishops site. The Green jersey for Boks was more the work of Heatlie of Bishops not the schools jerseys itself, well as it says his wife chose the wardrobe for teams and it was given by them. Bishops use Oxford colours.
“Then it also had the great South African rugby personality and thinker of last century ion Barry Heatlie, whose nickname was usually Fairy but also Ox. Heatlie, who helped to found the Old Diocesans’ Union, also formed an Old Diocesans RFC. In forming the old boys’ union he – or rather his wife –had worked out colours. The predominant colour was green. In days when dyeing was the simplest way of getting rugby jerseys, the OD RFC decided to use green – myrtle green.
Touring teams came to South Africa in 1891, 1896 and 1903. In those days the local union would appoint a captain who would pick a team to represent South Africa and give them jerseys to play in. When Heatlie became captain in 1896 he gave them his club’s jerseys – and South Africa won for the first time. When he was again made captain in 1903 he gave his teams green jerseys again and South Africa won a series for the first time. And so South Africa still plays in green jerseys.In 1903 Gerald Orpen of SACS and two Bishops men, Fairy Heatlie and Biddy Anderson, pushed through a recommendation that the springbok be added to the jersey. It had been intended for 1903 but first came to pass in 1906.”
@Stier: Daar is baie talent in pretoria… ek praat van uitsig hoërskool, jy duidelik van die laerskool.
Jy het genoem, sarkasties as ek jou post reg verstaan het: “Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik?” As jy nie sarkasties was nie vra ek verskoning…
Net so terloops is daar behoeftige kinders van pretoria ook in ons skool en in ons koshuis wat ons ook help. Ek hoef nie als aan jou te verduidelik nie…
Wat laerkool rugby aanbetref is ek redilik op hoogte omdat my kinders in die laerskool is…
Eks nie presies seker wat jou issue is nie… is dit oor ons werf? Oor ons onder andere kinders vd kaap geleenthede gee? Dalk mis ek iets iewers? Kinders is tog kinders, of staan jy in die pad van n geleentheid vir n kind?
@Rugbyman: Ek het nog nooit garsfontein se afrigting gekritiseer nie. Gaan lees bietjie ek het gese dit is awesome as mense kinders kan coach om hulle beter te maak.
Dan Carter? Is jy erinstig? Daai manne is once in a generation spelers. Die gemiddelde outjie wat all black / springbok of wat ook al speel het daar gekom deur harde werk en goeie afrigting. En selfs Dan sou niks gewees het as hy net op sy talent staat gemaak het. Hoe weet jy of ‘n o/13 seun een dag 2 meter lank gaan wees? Jy raak nou snaaks. Ek se jou die kinders maak nie garsfontein sterk nie die afrigters doen. Dit is nog die hele tyd my argument selfs oor transformasie. Alle kinders het talent nie almal dieselfde nie maar almal kan gecoach word en as hulle hard werk sal hulle suksesvol kan wees.
Wat dink jy sal gebeer as garsfontein ‘n gemiddelde coach aanstel? Sal hulle nog steeds wen? Dit is die punt. Hulle kan enige kinders werf en hulle ontwikkel.
Uitsig het vyf kinders in die BB se o/13 span gehad meer as enige ander skool in Pretoria. Jy hoef my nie te vertrou nie, maar gaan kyk wat in jou eie provinsie aangaan. Geen wonder julle werf in die kaap. Lyk my julle weet meer van kaapse rugby as julle eie dorp se rugby. Weet jy ooit wat in Pretoria op laerskool vlak aangaan?
Daar is oorgenoeg talent in Pretoria op laerskool vlak vir garsfontein affies waterkloof Menlo en almal.
@odie15: Ek betwyfel of Dok Craven betrokke was by die bepaling van die WP-Boland grense. Na sy studies het hy in 1936 by St Andrews in Grahamstown gaan skoolhou en in 1939 het hy by die Weermag aangesluit en is hy Pretoria toe.
Hy het eers in 1947 teruggekeer Stellenbosch toe en toe ook net tydelik aangesien sy werk by die Weermag nie afgehandel was nie.
Ek dink ook ‘n mens kan aanvaar dat die grondwerk vir die tot standkoming van Boland reeds voor 1939 moes plaasgevind het.
@Rugbyman: Ons ma’s het nie bang kinders groot gemaak nie. Ek dink dit kan en gaan n groot rol speel. As als volgens plan verloop speel ons jul Donderdag en WP Saterdag?
@odie15: Ek gaan nie stry nie maar sover ek weet kom die WP streeptruie van SACS af …daai jare het spanne gewoonlik hulle local span wat truie beskikbaar het se truie gevat…so was die eerste Bokspan geklee in Bishops truie..Blou truie want die meeste spelers het van Bishops gekom. WP het SACS se truie gebruik sover my kennis strek.
Today I experienced the heat at 11in the morning in Durban. I do not see any rugby player not used to it playing a full 70 minutes of fast paced rugby between 11 and 14 in the day. This is a huge plus on the side of the Sharks team.
@Stier: Presies wat ek gedink het. Jy het baie te sê oor ander skole maar is te lafhartig om jou eie skool te noem. Is jy bang vir kritiek wat kan volg soos jy dit uitdeel. Indien nie, verklaar dan jou betrokkenheid dan trek ek die stelling van lafhartigheid terug.
@Stier: Jy kan maar die definisie van transformasie gaan google. Net omdat die president of wie ookal dit vertolk soos hulle wil beteken nie dat dit transformasie is nie.
@Stier: Klink my jys n uitstekende politikus of prokereur… lees net wat jy wil in mense se posts en draai dit dan reguit in jou rigting. Ek was eerlik en reguit met jou en toe verdraai jy my woorde en lees tussen die lyne wat jou pas. Ek het nooit gesê pretoria se laerskool rugby is swak nie… die feit dat jy nog verwys na waterkloof en affies wat die bestes vat wys ook hoe ver agter die tyd jou inligting is. Net so ter inligting, garsfontein het die jaar vir waterkloof met die o14s geklop met meer as 40 punte… dieselfde waterkloof span het teen affies gelykop gespeel… garsfontein se o16s klop ook vir waterkloof gemaklik en daai waterkloof span het vir affies gewen… ek haat dit om wedstryde so te vergelyk maar ek hoop dit staaf my punt. Die bestes gaan nie meer noodwendig waterkloof en affies toe nie! Daai dae is verby…
Wat ek wel in n kort tydjie van jou geleer het is dat jy nie vertrou kan word nie… die feit dat ek reguit en eerbaar met jou was en jou reaksie daarna was om die minste te sê interessant. Uitsig se rugby? Sê gou vir my… hoe sterk is dit? Hoekom gaan die top sportmanne dan nou nie uitsig toe as dit so wonderlik is nie?
Jy kritiseer ons afrigting ook… op wat basseer jy die stellings? Ons afrigter werk baie hard so ek dink dis uiters ongevraagd van jou as jy geen feite het nie…
Hiers vir jou ‘n newsflash… sonder talent op hoërskool vlak en laerskool vlak is jy nerens… mens kan n gemiddelde speler great maak met coaching en n swak speler gemiddeld… maar jy gaan nie ‘n Daniel Carter of Kieran Reed so coach nie… hy word so gebore en dan slyp jy hom reg… anders was ons almal net so jaar of 2 se oefening van hussain bolt af… Garsfontein het vir baie jare probeer om met die kinders wat op daai stadium nie waterkloof en affies toe gaan nie daardie skole te wen. Die wiskunde werk egter nie as jy ‘n 85kg stut teen n 120kg stut speel en ‘n 1.85m slot teen ‘n 2.00m slot in die lynstaan sit nie… nog minder as jy ‘n vleuel het wat 11.5 op die 100m hol teen ‘n vleuel wat 10.5 hol nie… of n senter wat 70kg weeg teen n senter speel wat 95kg weeg nie… dis die realiteit… coaching vat jou net so ver…
Laaste punt… as jy dink waterkloof en affies “help” nie minder bevooregte kinders nie leef jy in n droom wereld… waterkloof was vir baie jare die baanbrekers in die verband. Net die jaar was affies op die spoor van twee van ons top o16s… dit word wel gedoen dmv ouers maar dit gebeur beslis…
@AntonT: @Stier: Boland Rugby union was only established in 1939. WP rugby was already 58 years old. These WP Jerseys were the colours of Malmesbury Rugby Football Club, established in 1881. Malmesbury today is deep inside Boland boundaries. Maties was always part of WP rugby from the start. So when the new union and WP drew up the respective areas Doc Craven was well into his tenure as rugby official in the Cape. Maties/WP relationship will never be broken due to DOC’s passion for his 2 teams he played for. There was a lot of give and take. Obviously in that time the schools were also involved with the boundaries as well. Years ago athletics fell under WP platteland. Cricket still today Brackenfell which is well within WP catchment plays in Boland league. Each sporting code has a different boundary decided by their administrators. But rugby was based on 1 man’s life long passion.
WP o/13 Dante, Keegan, Van Heerden (Lochnerhof, Strand), Janneman (Eikestad, Stellenbosch), Corne (Klein Gim, Paarl), Kunene, Jacques, Ayden, Arendse, Mukabdam, Snyman (Klein Bios, Paarl). Met al die beserings in die agterlyn is Wyade (Somerset West Primary, Somersetwes) ook bygevoeg.
@Stier: Net hier reg help met WP u/13 , meer as die helfte van die span is beslis nie uit die Stellenbosch of Paarl nie. Uit die 23 is 8 uit die noordelike voorstede, 5 uit Strand en Gordensbaai en net 5 uit bo genoemde Stellenbosch/Paarl area. Die res uit Suidelike/stad area. Met ander woorde 21% uit die Boland. Die res is almal regte WP.
@Djou: Ek is nie by enige een skool betrokke nie maar by baie. So waai een praat jy van?
So verduidelik jy dan transformasie sodat ek ook kan verstaan. Ek luister graag. SASCOC dink duidelik dit gaan oor ras. Ons hoof afrigter en president is by ‘n SASCOC vergadering reguit vertel dat as hulle nie die ras kwota reg kry nie SASCOC ons nie meer sal ondersteun as ons athlete in die buiteland gaan deelneem nie.
@Bere007: @djou. Julle manne moet relax nie alle stellings is op garsies gemik nie. Vat ‘n branna saam met daai 3:15 golf game so in die winter?
Die laerskole in pta se rugby is baie swak, selfs rugbyman en djou het dit bevestig. Die feit dat hulle talent in die kaap kom soek het. As jy nie uit 18000 laerskool kinders in Centurion nie genoeg talent kan kry vir jou skool nie, selfs nadat die top ouens Affies en waterkloof toe is nie, dan is daar ‘n groot probleem. Wie weet hoeveel duisende sit daar dan nog in die res van Pretoria. En van hulle is kom arm en sal hull waardeer. As julle se julle het regtig alles probeer in pta maar niemand wou kom nie dan moet ek dit so aanvaar. Rugbyman het verduidelik hoekom en wat julle gedoen het ek dink dit was gedoen as ‘n vinnige en makliker opsie. En nie die kinders in Atlantis of Pretoria Wes se belang is bo die van die skool se rugby gesit nie, dit is nou ook erken.
Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik? Dit is nog altyd my punt, in SA dink ons talent is alles, en dit is nie. Hoeveel o/13 cw spelers maak die o/18 span as hulle ouer is? Ons almal weet bitter min maak dit weer maar steeds gebruik skole cravenweek om talent te soek. Dink self hoeveel o/18 cw spelers maak dit nie verder nie?
Talent op onder 13 vlak soek is baie gevaarlik, jy het geen idee eers hoe die kind se liggaam gaan ontwikkel nie. Ek wonder hoeveel geld en tyd al gemors is om talent te scout en dan speel die kind nie eers in matriek eerste span nie, never mind provinsiaal. Of scout julle eers as die kinders ouer is?
Soos ek reeds gese het dit maak nie saak waar ‘n kind skool gaan nie of dit nou Affies of julle is solank hy daar wou gewees het. As ‘n kind egter gewerf word en gelok word deur beloftes aan hom en sy ouers te maak veral as die mense nie wel af is nie? Nee dit is iets anders. Maar net ‘n uitnodiging en hy kom, geen probleem.
En transformasie is nie om ‘n nie blanke kind in ‘n wit skool te sit nie. Transformasie is om daan nie blanke kind se skool te help om net sulke goeie coaching soos julle te he. En daar le die rede hoekom ons nooit rugby sal transformeer nie. Gaan kyk by laerskool Uitsig en Sutherland High dit is transformasie.
Garsies het hulle program soos jy se en dit het gewerk en was suksesvol vir hulle. Geniet die sukses en dit lyk of dit nou ‘n verskil gaan maak in die kinders se lewens daar in Garsfontein woongebied. Of gaan die kinders wat altyd Affies en Waterkloof toe gegaan het nou dalk net Garsies toe gaan? Het julle program garsies gehelp of het julle ook die speler pool in Pretoria vergroot? As julle meer moeite gedoen het om in PTA te scout sou julle nie dieselfde kom behaal het nie?
Soos ek se geniet julle sukses maar ek sou dit anders probeer het. Of my plan sal werk sal ons nooit weet nie.
@Djou: Ja, ek weet van die kapperjolle in die Vlaktes, maar soos met n goeie huwelik, hou hulle die verskille in die “slaapkamer”, rugbygewys natuurlik.Ja, ou Frantz Fanon het al baie miljoene se breins vernietig, onomkeerbaar lyk dit vir my- amper so veel as Carl Jung, Wundt en Siegmund Freud saam. En natuurlik, staan ons weer op die drumpel van CW, waar helfte van die spanne sal moet meeding, maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind. En daar le die ironie natuurlik. Was dit nie vir hierdie maatskaplike ingenieurswese van regeringskant nie, sou die gesprek wat julle hiebo gehad het, waarskynlik gladnie plaasgevind het nie.
@BOG: Jy weet mos die sentrale streek het hul gevegte gehad. Dit was altyd die ander skole teen Grey wanneer dit gekom het by die kies van Cravenweekspanne. En toe word die ander skole se manne tot die keurpaneel verkies. En wat gebeur, die Greyspelers word steeds gekies. Nou is daar niks om oor te stry nie!
@BOG: Interessant genoeg, ek het jou sienings verfrissend gevind – die waarheid maak soms seer! Die probleem waarom mense mekaar nie kan vind nie is omdat elkeen gewoonlik bietjie reg is maar die ander party ignoreer die bietjie omdat die beginsel oor ‘n wye kam geskeer word. Ek dink meeste van ons wil alles net laat werk, maar die bril waardeur ons kyk verskil en gevolglik gaan die metodes verskil.
Kyk maar nou na die manier waarop die studente die taaldebat by UP hanteer. Hulle weier botweg om ‘n greintjie waarheid aan die ander kant te respekteer en Frantz Fanon is hul hero. Revolusionêre oplossings is al wat hulle pas en daarmee saam geweld. Vreedsame gesprekke is nie wat hulle wil hê nie!
Lyk vir my of ek maar eerder weer n politieke gesprek hier moet begin, in n poging om die vrede te herstel. As julle dan moet baklei, dan vind ek die Noord-Suid provinsiale handsakgevegte, die interessantste. Daarna die KZN interne toernooi. Vir my altyd verstommend hoe die Sentrale gebied sy neus skoonhou in hierdie debat.
@Djou: bly om te sien my favourite Garsie is vars en op die been op hierdie pragtige Saterdag oggend.
Kan ek maar kom handskud op die 23e? Jy sal my maklik herken, ek dra gewoonlik ‘n wit Helpmekaar ondersteuner hoed en baadjie.
@Riempies: Ek dink jy moet dalk weer lees. Ek het duidelik gestel hy kan dit bekostig – en nee hy lieg nie, anders sou sy kind nie in Helpies gewees het nie en hy nie elke skooldag so ver hoef te gery het nie. Smaak my julle weet nie alles van jul skool af nie.
@Stier: Ongelukkig lees jy nie ja!
Hier is ‘n paar voorbeelde en beskrywing.
Ons het ouens soos BoishaaiPa en Ploegskaar leer ken as ouens met integriteit. Ons stem nie noodwendig saam met BoishaaiPa se manier waarop hy die top 20-bereken nie, maar hy het mdie werklike inligting. En Ploegskaar het al mooi verduidelik dat alle skole werf en hoe die manier van befondsing werk. Dit verskil van skool tot skool, maar dit is ‘n feit dat alle skole beurse gee – net die manier van finansiering verskil. So, vind eerder by BoishaaiPa uit hoe die spesifieke gevalle werk dan sal jy die waarheid kry.
My en Rugbman se stories kan nie wisselvallig wees nie want ons het van die begin af saamgewerk. Ons is wel moeg vir ouens om op die blog een of ander braaivleisstorie te kom kwytraak en dit verder te versprei. Dit is dus nie liggeraaktheid nie, maar gatvolheid.
En soos hoeveel keer al verduidelik het die skool se BL in 2010 besluit die skool moet transformeer – van akademie tot sport, en dit beteken transformasie op alle gebiede met die einddoel dat die vlak van uitnemendheid verhoog. Dit het die vestiging en inwerkingstelling van verskeie nuwe strukture en bedryfsplanne geverg. En toe begin dit werk want die skool se akademie styg uit en so ook sportspanne.
Presies toe begin die mense kla en braaivleisstories versprei. Die ergste was toe Affies se hoof in die Beeld leuens vertel het oor Garsies se rugby en die seuns beledig het – en hy en Affies besef steeds tot vandag toe nie hoe seer dit die Garsfonteingemeenskap gemaak het nie. Veral omdat hy ‘n persoon van aansien was. Interessant dat dit gebeur het in die week na Garsies vir Waterkloof met 44-19 geklop het terwyl Affies self ver teen Waterkloof verloor het.
Nietemin, Garsies het van die begin af dit duidelik gestel dat hulle gaan begin werf. En hoe werf jy in jou eie gemeenskap as die kinders verby jou skool ry na Waterkloof, Menlopark en Affies. So, daar is besluit om buite die skool se grense te werf – ook in ooreenstemming met die transformasiebeginsel is besluit om seuns met talent wat min van ‘n toekoms het ‘n kans te gee. En nee, dit is nie net seuns van kleur nie (kyk na Bere 007 se skrywe hierbo).
En soos Rugbyman verduidelik het, die seuns ry nie meer verby die skool nie (daar is nog hier en daar een of twee). En daar is soos ek gesê het letterlik 100e oproepe en e-posse van ouers wat nou navraag doen om hul kinders by Garsies in te skryf – sonder dat die skool hulle genader het. En dit wissel van akademiese- tot sportredes. En daar is nou waglyste!
Al wat die skool wou gehad het is dat die seuns in die omgewing Garsies toe kom – en dit het ‘n proses geverg soos verduidelik – waarna werwing buite die skool se grense minder sou word. En soos Rugbyman noem was die proses suksesvol want Garsies was verlede jaar suksesvol om meeste van die laerskole in die omgewing se o.13’s te werf en vanjaar se o.14’s is een van die topspanne in SA.
Daar is dus geen wisselvalligheid in ons stories nie – en ek raak moeg vir ouens soos BrotherBear wat dit goeddink om gereeld een of ander leuen oor Garsies hier te versprei (wat enersyds onbegryplik is waarom ‘n persoon dit wil doen en andersyds ook onbegryplik waarom ouens soos jy daarna inspring om dit verder toe voer). En na BrotherBear een keer gesê het hy is jammer – en almal vergewe hom en dink als is OK – begin hy maar net weer.
@Hooit @Riempies: Soos alle skole sal Helpies baie welkom wees by Garsies en ‘n hartlike ontvangs kry en hopelik sal die skole as groter vriende uiteengaan. Vriendskapsbande is belangriker as ‘n wen. Ons sal nooit Helpies beoordeel op grond van een persoon se agenda nie.
@odie15… Thank you for clarifying that anomaly….
@Stier……gesonde kompetisie maak jou rugby net sterker … Vra maar vir die All Blacks ….ek stel nie heeltemal saam hier mee nie maar kom ek stel jou gou gerus oor die plaaslike talent as jy dit so wil noem waaroor jy so bekommerd is…Lourens en Johan speel Goue Leeus….Jan-Henning en Franco ,SA o/20…Le Roux is gekontreakteer deur Racing Metro….dan is daar nog baie seuns by 0/19 en 0/16 Blou Bulle spanne/toernooie…Bees was voorspeler van die week by Potch en hou vir Ryno en n paar ander manne dop by die o/19 toernooi…. Die lank en die kort is plaaslike seuns trek ook voordeel en word ook ontwikkel omdat jy gesonde kompetisie en goeie afrigters het ….jy het ongelukkig nie my ander vrae geantwoord nie want ek weet dit gaan oor die heilige koei wat niemand meer oor wil praat nie en ek stel in elke gaval ook nie belang om meer daaroor te praat nie….die golf roep nou
@Stier: @Rugbyrealis: @Bere007: Paarl and Stellenbosch schools is a product of Doc Craven’s legacy. With Maties sitting in Stellies he was’nt interested in it being part of the Boland setup. As administrator he made boundaries to suit his wishes. Hence in cricket and other sports being part of Boland. Moving forward the Boland area is huge and many schools are represented in Boland. I doubt they want the Big 4 to join Boland league. Let’s be honest here we talking about Paul Roos, Boland Landbou, Paarl Gim and Boishaai. Currently Labore is part of Boland league and they are smack bang in the middle of Paarl. It might have been the schools choice to be part of the Boland league. I know in hockey they have Northern and Southern suburbs leagues and same with Athletics. I don’t know if WP would be happy to let the Big 4 be part of Boland. In Cape Town The Northern suburbs (Belleville, Durbanville and Brackenfell) and the Strand area produce huge amount of players a year that league in primary school level is tough.
@Bere007: Dit is die hele punt as jy goeie afrigters het kan jy enige kind wat die regte houding het ontwikkel tot ‘n top atleet. Jy kan die kinders naaste aan jou gebruik en dit gaan nie saak maak nie.
Jy hoef nie kinders van buite jou provinsie te werf nie.
Moenie worry nie rugbyman het mooi verduidelik hoe hulle te werk gegaan het en hoekom hulle dit so gedoen het. Hy het ook genoem dat die plaaslike manne nou ook gaan baat en dit is baie goed vir julle en die Bulle en SA. Kom ons hoop net hulle gaan nou nog meer skole soos Stellies help om ook so te maak. En meer belangrik hoop ek hulle kan die laerskole in Pretoria help om meer te doen vir die rugby.
Die Boland WP ding maak vir my niks sin nie. Ek weet hoekom WP nie Stellenbosch en Paarl wil los nie want dit sal hulle baie verswak veral op skole vlak. Die o/13 WP span het vandag die finaal teen kzn gewen en ek dink meer as die helfte van die WP span was van die “WP plateland” ( Paarl, Stellenbosch en Strand/Somersetwes).
Alle krediet aan hulle en ek ken hulle nie maar ek is mal oor mense wat iets uit niks uit bou, solank dit nie gedoen word ten koste van ander nie. Dit het ek ook al baie gesien dat mense met ander mense se kallers ploeg.
Cravenweek vir laerskole en Grant Khomo was ‘n reuse sukses.Puik aangebied en rugby van hoë standaard by albei groepe.Bulle se 016 span was puik en baie geluk aan die afrigtingspan.Volgens my is SA Rugby op juniorvlak baie gesond en as daar nie op die boonste vlakke nie resultate is nie, kan die skole sisteem verseker nie blameer word nie.
@Stier…. Ek dink ons almal deel jou bekommernis….maar dit is vir my baie vreemd dat jy Garsies probeer uitsonder….my seuns was van graad RR tot graad 12 in Garsfontein L & H ……glo my daai “helpende hand” storie van jou dra ongelukkig geen water nie….ek kan vir jou legio gevalle gee van seuns wat al wel deur die jare genader is ….dalk kan jy vir ons ook n paar antwoorde verskaf…. verduidelik asb die rugby skole grense tussen die Boland en die WP en hoekom is dit anders as die ander sport soorte in die Kaap bv Boland Landbou is WP maar Stellenbosch is Boland? … Wat is volgens jou die verskil tussen n seun van Atlantis is Garsies se koshuis en n seun van Nelspuit in Affies se koshuis? …onthou ook asb seuns moet afgerig en ontwikkel word om goeie rugby provinsiaal en nasionaal te kan speel….Dink jy nie Rugbyman en die afrigters verdien darem n bietjie krediet vir die ongelooflike werk wat hulle met die seuns doen nie ?…. n seun kom nie net by n skool aan en word n ster nie…. hy moet ontwikkel word….glo my die seuns en hulle ouers in ons koshuis waardeer die ontwikkeling (sport ,akademie en persoonlik) wat hulle by Garsies kry….volgens my behoort kleur in elk geval glad nie n eers genoem te word nie want seuns sien nie kleur hulle sien net maats….
@Stier: Iemand her genoem hoe groot die laerskole in Pretoria is getalle gewys. Nou die vraag is hou hou jy proewe vir 2000 + rugby seuns van verskillende skole om die beste te kry. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink NZ het minder rugby skole wat beter ontwikkel. Dit is baie makliker om n span uit 6 skole as uit 60 skole te kies.
Ek voel cw is nice om te he en gee ons iets om oor te praat, maar ek dink ook dit dien eintlik geen doel nie. Ons almal weet hoeveel politiek is betrokke by die kies van spanne. Ek het die laaste twee jaar goed gesien wat my kwaai laat kop krap het. Daar word heeltemal te veel waarde aan cw geheg. Dan wonder mense hoekom so baie cw spelers verdwyn? Maklik want baie van hulle moes nooit daar gewees het nie.
Dalk sal streeks kompetiesies beter wees en sal baie meer kinders die geleentheid kry om gesien te word deur die groot unies. Mens kan maklik oor ‘n week agt of tien streeks kompetiesies hou en die unies kan manne stuur.
@Rugbyman: Dit is die probleem met al die provinsies, as jou kind nie in sekere skole is nie is sy kanse om iewers te kom met rugby skraal. Ek dink laerskool rugby is nog erger. As jou skool nie ‘n keurder of coach by die provinsie het nie gaan jy baie moeilik cw sien. Verlede jaar het Gene Louw almal hier in die kaap dom gespeel. Wildeklawer en Marlow kon niemand hulle stop nie. Marlow het hulle in die finaal vir Klein Grey PE 29-0 teen rustyd al gerol en toe kom ‘n groot reen storm. Die game is toe gestop, gelukkig vir Grey. Ek dink daai spanhet die hele jaar net been game verloor. Net twee seuns van daai Gene Louw span het op Witrivier verlede jaar cw gespeel. Daai selfde span het onder 12 iets soos 6 WP spelers gehad. Raai op water ouderdom group het Gene Louw ‘n keurder/ coach gehad?
Ek wens net SARU en die unies wil ophou mors met ons talent en begin om eerder die sport te groei en die kwaliteit te verbeter. Ek is mal oor sport en dit maak my ongelukkig as ek sien hoe stupid ons kan wees met ons talent. Ek is oortuig as ons mekaar meer help en minder baklei sal ons NZ laat lyk na ‘n klomp moegoes.
Ek weet die laerskole wil nie voorgeskryf word nie. Dit is ‘n groot probleem en om dit te verander sal nie maklik wees nie maar moet iemand dit nie doen nie? Of kan ons maar aan pik soos altyd?
Ek het jare gelede al gesien dinge in Pretoria gaan skeef loop. Die laerskole het te groot geword en die kinders kan nie meer almal gehelp word nie. As ek ‘n voorbeeld kan gee. My seun se skool was aanvangklik gebou vir ongeveer 900 kinders toe my seun daar was toe staan hulle al op 1600. Hulle het twee rugby velde, eintlik net een maar hulle het die veld verdeel en twee kleiner velde gemaak. In my seun se graad was daar altyd hier by die 110 seuns. Sy laaste jaar van rip rugby “o/8” was daar vyf spanne elk met gemiddeld 11 of 12 kinders. O/9 begin die skool rugby toe of 15 man rugby, a.g.v. die felt dat hulle nie genoeg mans onies het nie was daar net ‘n a en b span. Dit beteken dat minder as 30% van die seuns in sy skool van o/9 af kon rugby speel. Ouers het gaan vra of hulle nie kan help met coaching of wat ook al sodat nog ‘n span per ouderdom kan speel nie. Die antwoord was nee. Ek se nie dit gaan by al die skole so nie maar dink hoeveel laerskool seuns in Pretoria hou dalk op rugby speel net omdat die skole te groot geword get? En as boeta ophou rugby speel gaan klein boetie wil speel?
@Stier: Jy moet onthou dat soos jyself gesê het garsies nie as ‘n rugby skool gesien was tot so 3 tot 4 jaar terug nie… rede was eenvoudig, as jy nie in kloof of affies was nie sou jy geen provinsiale span gehaal het nie… dus het die kinders in ons gemeenskap na ander skole gery… ons moes en het dit verander… ons o14s hierdie jaar is 90% plaaslik en top 5 in die land… ons moes drasties optree en dit begin nou vrugte afwerk… Nou kan seuns uit ons gemeenskap garsies toe kom en baie goeie geleenthede kry om kompeterend twen die sterkste rugby skole in die land deel te neem…
Ter inligting: Stellenberg het by ons kom kers opsteek oor hoe ons die proses gedryf het…
@Hooit: Nou waaarom is die braai dan af? Dink daar kan lekker gesels word. Manne wat wil fight moet net vroeg waarsku sodat ons kan reel vir bouncers en hulle moet maar wapens by die huis los. As jou vrou (of man) ‘n wapen is, bring haar maar saam – daar is mos ‘n biertuin – hehehe.
@Djou, sal ook welkom wees by die kuier, MAAR dan mag hy nie na die Kaapse of Noord-Kaapse stories luister nie. Hy gaan sy cool verloor en se al die by-lasse is lieg. Hy mag wel ook stories vertel, maar dan net indien hulle nie dieselfde tema aanhoudend herhaal nie.
Sorry, dis net voorstelle, daar is geen reels by ‘n lekker kuier nie.
@Rugbyman: Gaan Kearsney jou sien volgende week? Sal graag wil bladskud en “truce” verklaar – waarskynlik einde van week daar.
@Hooit: Die probleem in ons land is, almal is bang hulle spelers word “gesteel”, in my sport is dit dieselfde, niemand wil iets doen as ‘n ander ou ook daarby gaan of kan baat vind nie so nou doen niemand niks. En omdat niemand iets doen nie nou moet almal “steel”? Al hierdie groot rugby skole in ons land wat praat van meer as net rugby, hulle waardes ens, ens, wat doen hulle om hulle gemeenskappe om hulle te ontwikkel? Hoeveel van hulle help die laerskole om hulle om hulle rugby te verbeter? Is dit hulle plig? Of koop en werf en nooi mens net uit as jy eers daar bo is en dit bevorder en bou dan rugby in ons land? Moenie worry nie djou en rugbyman ek praat hier van al die groot skole.
@Riempies: Ek weet daar was laasjaar o18 en o16 akademie span spelers raakgesien wat geleenthede gekry het. Weet nie hoe hierdiejaar gaan werk met albei wat gelyktydig speel nie. Moet sê ek dink as jy na spelers van kleur gaan kyk is die Leeus in n goeie posisie met hulle CW span. Kes, Jeppe, Bennies ens doen baie goeie werk met speler ontwikkeling. Dink die Leeus kan goed voel oor hulle meestal eie talent ontwikkel en gebruik. Is hierdie jaar beindruk met die CW span se voorbereiding. Leeus kyk baie goed na hul seuns. As CW nie goed gaan nie kan voorbereiding nie n verskoning wees nie. Hoop die AW span is ook reg. Nou te laat om nog iets te doen. Tyd dat die manne op die veld nou wys.
Dankie rugbyman, sorry ek was nie in 2011 en 2012 hier nie. Dit is die eerste keer in hierdie hele debat dat iemand ‘n redelike verduideliking gee van wat julle doen. En onthou djou het sy speelgoed gegooi toe ek ‘n foutiewelike verklaring gemaak het. My bron se skool het self geld by die Bulle gekry en die ou was selfs een jaar die BB se cw span se bestuurder.
Eerstens ek rig nie rugby af nie. So ek dink nie jy sal my ken nie. Ek het eers in 2009 by LL begin. Dit was net ‘n paar jaar voor Mr. Fourie wat ek dink ook die eerste span rugby afgerig het Bakenkop toe is om daar oor te neem as hoof. Terloops nog ‘n goeie onnie daai, hy het Bakenkop letterlik binne maande heeltemal verander.
Ek is in sport betrokke in suid afrika so ja ek is al baie te na gekom. Maar nie deur enige skool nie, die skole en hulle ouers, insluitend Laerskool Garsfontein was nog altyd net akkomoderend as mens eers daar in is. Om in te kom is nie maklik nie maar dit verstaan mens ouens wil allerande nonsense aan hulle afsmeer.
As ek reg onthou het ek net in my laste par post verwys na oneerlikheid van “julle” kant af maar dit sou eintlik net djou wees. Sy stories en jou storie het baie gewissel by tye so daarom die stelling. Ek dink nie ek het gese alle garsies lieg nie en as ek het was dit nie my bedoeling nie. Ek het verwys na dinge wat gese is gedurende hierdie debat op hierdie forum. Ek kom wel agter dat julle baie gevoelig is oor die saak. En julle reaksies is ongelukkig die ding wat my laat wonder. Miskien is dit ‘n Gauteng ding van ons, gister toe ek vir een van die BB afrigters wat buy te way in die biertuin staan kort nadat hulle verloor het vra of daar enige Hennops kinders in hulle span is toe raak die man ongeskik, my seun vra vir my toe ons daar wegstap, pa hoekom is daai oom so onbeskof? Ek weet Gauteng is rof maar julle moet relax ek was ook so maar nou chill ek hier in die kaap, lekker man, lekker. Julle se julle worry nie en julle hoef nie te verduidelik nie maar dan gooi julle?
Wat julle gedoen het na 100+ is awesome en almal veral Mmvovo se skool moet daai houding he. ‘n Houding van ons gaan iets doen en dinge verander om ons standaard te lig. En daar is nou my punt, maak nie saak hoe eerbaar julle bedoelings is nie, is dit die regte manier om dit te doen of is Garsies se sukses die belangrikste? Rugby ontwikkeling moet op laerskool vlak gedryf word en groot rugby skole moet in hulle plaaslike gemeenskape help om die laerskole sterker te kry. Garsies sal nooit ‘n sterk rugby tradisie binne sy gemeesnkap hou as die meeste van sy rugby krag nie van sy die gemeenskap kom nie. Stellenberg is besig om hier in die kaap lekker te groei en hulle gaan jaag nie laaitjies van gauteng nie. Ek weet van WP laaitjies wat HJS toe sou gaan wat nou stellies toe gaan. Het julle nie talent in PTA nie? Sorry dit maak nie sin nie. Miskien dink julle bruin spelers sal makliker daarbo BB kry? Dit sal ook baie goedkoper wees om kinders in PTA te help. Daar was baie nie blanke spelers by Uitsig. Of is die taal ding die probleem? Hier kan julle nie blanke spelers kry en hulle praat Afrikaans? Laaste ding hoeveel ouens op hierdie blog sal hulle kinders 1500 km stuur na ‘n skool waar hy self nie skool gegaan het nie? Dink mooi sal jy of djou dit doen?
Lekker dag gaan nou reg maak vir vannaand se braai.
@BrotherBear: Ek stem saam met wat jy hierbo gese het oor krag teen krag op CW. Ek dink groot unies het soveel talentvolle spelers dat dit soms slegs gaan oor watter skool jy in is of jy CW of AW span is. Voor ek gekruisig word se ek soms! Ek dink so byvoorbeeld as jy die Lions CW en AW spanne teen mekaar moet speel gaan jy moeilik n wenner voor die tyd kies. In WP miskien dieselfde geval. Dit sal interesant wees om die resultate van twee spanne van selfde unie met mekaar te vergelyk. Ek hoop dat SA Skole keurders na albei spanne CW en AW se spelers kyk en nie net by CW spanne vasgenaal sit nie.
Kom ons kyk maar.
@Vra maar net: Jong ja… ons het geen verbintennis met agent greeff nie… die manne waarna jy verwys is op n ander plek geidentifiseer… maar kom ons laat dit dan daar soos jy sê
@Rugbyman Sorry dat ek weer antwoord. Weer verkeerd. Ons twee manne wat vir julle en Blou Bulle speel is eerste keer gewerf op Gim se onder 16 toernooi deur agent Greeff. Hulle is deur hom en julle onder 16 afrigters geidentifiseer en genader. Toevallig is 5 spelers genader en net 2 het gebyt. Ek het geen probleem daarmee nie – vertel net die regte storie. Kom ons laat dit daar want ek kan nog baie riller stories oor werwing gesels
@Vra maar net: Ai… ek was al van die begin af eerlik… ons het dit nog nooit weggesteek nie… dis hoekom ek al male sonder tal gesê het die gesprek en debat is al gevoer al in 2011 en 2012…
Net een punt van orde. Ons werf nie by die rugbyweke waarna jy verwys nie en gebruik geen agente nie. Ons sal ook nooit n kind aanvaar uit die top rugbyskole nie… ek is nie seker van watter skool jy is nie.maar ek vermoed jys van tygerberg? Die meeste van ons seuns kom van die bolandse platteland en meeste van hulle is al van graad 8 af by ons… Atlantis, Mamre ensovoorts is plekke waar baie van hulle vandaan kom – daar waar niemand hulle ooit sou raaksien nie…
Nou het ek hopelik klaar verduidelik vir al die nuwer bloggers…
Net een laaste puntjie… ons het 15 seuns van die kaap in ons koshuis, nie soos die braaivleis praatjies ‘n koshuis vol nie…
@Rugbyman. Nou het ek respek vir jou gekry. Eerste keer in jare dat jy dit reguit sê. Djou moet net regkom. Daar was nooit vir my ‘n probleem dat julle ons kinders “‘n beter geleentheid gee nie”, maar hoe jy dit in die verlede gestel het was verkeerd. Vir julle om kinders by HJS se onder 15 toernooi en Gim se onder 16 toernooi te soek en die aggresiewe agente kontak het ek nie ‘n probleem nie. Net soos van ons ander kinders deur Gim en HJS jaarliks opgeraap word ontken hulle ook die ware toedrag van sake. Ek hoop hulle speel eerlik soos jy. Dit is al. Nou hoekom gaan ons kinders dan weg – ons het nie die geld om hulle te hou nie – uit en gedaan. Sterkte Rugbyman
@Stier: Louis Leipoldt….? Dan moet ek jou ken… ek het n hele paar jaar daar die 1ste span afgerig in die 90s… Sal baie graag wil weet wie jy is… Louis Leipoldt het in my dae 750 kinders gehad maar ons rugby was baie sterk… Die skool is na aan my hart…
Dit wil my voorkom asof jy iewers te nagekom is deur iemand, dalk garsies… Ek moet eerlik wees ek het nie rerig die lus om weer die hele debat te voor oor ons kaapse projek en al die redes daarvoor nie. Ek sê dit met die grootste respek. So paar sakies waarvan jy egter moet kennis neem:
Eerstens ken jy my nie, ook nie die mense wat garsies se rugby dryf nie en ek dink dis ongevraagd om heeltyd te verwys na ons oneerlikheid. Ek dink nie jy het enige reg om ons integriteit in twyfel te trek nie.
Wat ek wel vir jou wil sê is dat nie een skool in pretoria behalwe affies (wat nie teen ons wil rugby speel) en pta boys high kan vir ons wedstryde vir al ons spanne gee nie. Ons rugby het geweldig gegroei oor die laaste 5 jaar. Ons ontwikkel ons talent! Dalk was jy nog in pretoria toe die “ou” garsfontein bestaan het, maar die skool het heeltemal verander.
Nadat garsies met 103 – 0 teen waterkloof verloor het in 2010 het ons besluit dit sal nooit weer gebeur nie en ons het dan ook besluit om vuur met vuur te begin veg en ook te doen wat die ander top skole doen. Ons moes iewers begin en die kaap het so oormaat talent gehad dat daar heelwat talentvolle seuns daar vir rugby verlore gegaan het. Ons het toe in 2011 daar gewerf en vir seuns uit die kaap, uit klein skooltjies met swak toestande geleenthede gebied. Van daai seuns speel vandag super rugby en curriecup danksy garsfontein. In die kaap het hulle geen provinsiale span gehaal nie…
Die hele projek was begin vir rugby en het weldoeners van buite die skool wat dit borg. Elke liewe seun wat deur ons n geleentheid gekry het is baie dankbaar en tevrede. As jy sien en weet waar van die kinders vandaan kom sal jy dan ook verstaan dat garsies vir hulle n reddingsboei was vir akademie en sport asook om deure na skool oop te maak. Dit was ons projek. Skiet ons daarvoor as jy wil. Kritiseer dit soos jy goeddink. Dit bly ons projek en ons manier om kinders geleenthede te gee. Ons hoef aan niemand te verantwoord nie en aan niemand te verduidelik nie. Soos ek reeds genoem het is daar baie ander seuns wat ook in ons koshuis is en al rede hoekom ons kaapse seuns so baie mense pla is oor hulle velkleur. Dit pla ons glad nie. Dis ‘n kind en ‘n leerder van hoërskool garsfontein.
Een laaste opmerking: Omdat garsfontein onder die seuns wat by ons was n goeie reputasie opgebou het, hoor ander seuns daarvan in die kaap. Daarom kry ons gereeld aansoeke daarvan af dat kinders na ons toe wil kom. Ek glo jy kan dit verstaan.
Ek hoop rerig dit het jou vrae geantwoord. Ek dink dat die hele saak irriteer nou al die ander bloggers… Dis al verskeie kere deurgetrap…
@Grasshopper: Best of luck in the UK Hopper. I think the UK can be a wonderful place to stay, especially with a UK passport. Peace and happiness to you and your young family.
@Bere007: Julle raak te kwaad, as kinders garsies toe wil gaan het ek geen probleem daarmee nie en garsies is nog relatief jonk en julle het al baie bereik. Ek stry nie daaroor of probeer dit ontken nie. Julle moet egter perspektief behou ten opsigte van wat julle al bereik het. Daar is klaar nou erken dat julle hier in die kaap werf ,wat beteken nie al die seuns wat gauteng toe gaan het julle as ‘n opsie never mind eerste opsie oorweeg nie. Ek wonder maar net hoekom kinders van so ver werf, as daar talent baie nader aan julle is? Soos jy se julle hoef my nie te antwoord nie maar as julle antwoord wees eerlik en se hoekom die manne hier onder so gesoek word.
Jy is reg ek het kaap toe getrek, en julle hoof ook maar nie ek, en ek glo hy ook, het ons gesinne daar gelos nie. Ek weet nie van hom nie maar my vrou is te mooi om haar daar te los, my kinders dalk ,veral soos die outste deesdae eet.
Ek het by baie laerskole in Pretoria afgerig, Garsfontein, Hennopspark, Wierdapark, Rooihuiskraal, Uitsig, Louis Leipoldt ens. Al daai skole behalwe vir Uitsig het oor ‘n duisend kinders gehaad, ek dink Hennops met graad r staan al hier naby 1700 kinders. Verder in 2010 het al die Laerskole in Centurion saam, net onder die 18000 kinders gehaad. Kom ons se die helfte is seuns hoeveel rugby spanne kan hulle volmaak? Dan praat ons nie eers van Stefanis Roos, Wonderboom, Elarduspark, Constantiapark ens ens…Ja ek weet van die skole soos Fleur, Doornkloof en ander het verander en rugby is dalk nie meer die groot sport nie maar steeds daar is baie groot laerskole waar rugby nog groot is. Kyk na Uitsig ek kan nou nie hulle rugby coach se naam onthou nie maar daai man het baie gedoen om nie blanke o/13 BB spelers op te lewer. Wat word gedoen om daai talent te ontwikkel? Maar dit begin by baie plekke so raak.
Wat my pla is dat ek dink skole jaag baie keer talent en besef nie altyd wat dit beteken nie. Hulle mis ook partykeer die kinders reg by hulle. In ons land voel dit vir my of almal talent soek maar niemand wil dit ontwikkel nie. En ek wys nou na ons almal. Dit is so stupid, talent beteken niks, al wat dit is is ‘n voorsprong as jy begin dit is al.
My seun maak hierdie jaar klaar met laerskool en glo my al sy tjommas hier en in Pretoria praat net oor volgende jaar en waar hulle skool toe gaan. Van al die skole waar sy tjommas heen gaan het nog net Affies nie vir een van hulle ‘n “helpende hand” of wat ook al aangebied nie.
Ouens hier kan se ek lieg maar dit is hulle probleem. Hier is manne op hierdie blog wat of lieg of baie minder weet as wat hulle voorgee. En vir die wat kwaad is, sorry ek is maar net bekomerd oor hoe ons in hierdie land met ons rugby spelers/kinders werk.
@Djou: Ek lees nou die ding. Dit pla my want elke maand moet ek raap en skraap. Ek stem saam met @Riempies. Die mense het seker aansoek gedoen om ondersteuning en dis toegestaan.
@stier…klink vir my jy het self 1500km getrek nou kla jy oor skool kinders wat trek en van skole wissel….dit is dood normaal en gebeur al vir dekades lank….. Doen jouself n guns en gaan kyk hoeveel Garsies in die Super Rugby,SA o/20 ,Blou Bul o/19,o/16 spanne opgeneem is ….. Of jy dit nou wil glo of nie die seuns wil regtig Garsies toe kom…..Curro het selfs ons vorige hoof ook 1500km ver laat trek Kaap toe om hulle skool daar in die Kaap te bestuur as jy dit nie geweet het nie… Gun ons asb ook n plekkie in die son….geniet HJS en Affies en los ons skool uit ons hoef niks aan jou te verduidelik nie …
@Djou: Soos Quagga vir jou mooi verduidelik het doen sommige ouers aansoek vir finasieele ondersteuning. Dit is dan hoe hulle ondesteuning kry. Jy kan blykbaar ook nie lees nie. Of dan verstaan nie. As jou vriend se kind n beurs het is hy dalk die persoon wat vir jou lieg. Smaak my almal lieg vir jou. Of as hy dan so n goeie vriend is hoekom vra jy hom dan nie self nie?
Ek het vandag bietjie die o/13 cravenweek gaan kyk. Ek moet se die kwaliteit en vaardighede was maar swak. More speel WP en KZN in die “finaal” as ek dit reg het. WP en die BB het vandag hulle bes probeer om te verloor maar die BB het dit beter reg gekry as die WP. Ter versagting albei spanne lyk my sit met baie beserings. WP se 10, 12 en 13 is na die eerste twee dae al uit, so dalk het KZN ‘n kans? Die BB se 8 het vleuel gespeel maar ek moet se daai knaap het wiele. Die BB kan hulle self egter skop, as daai seuns net wou pass was hulle dalk more in die finaal. Ek het lanklaas ‘n span gesien wat so baie overlaps kry en dan pass hulle nie. WP 11 – 10 BB. KZN 15 – 14 Valke.
Sorry manne, dit lyk my almal is nou kwaad en nou is Hooit se braai ook in sy m##r. Ons kan se wat ons wil maar die top skole soek/trek die top kinders. As daar goeie kinders is wat hulle wil he sal hulle ‘n plan maak. Om te dink hulle doen dit nie is belaglik. Ek het al in Pretoria vir ‘n stoei seun wie se ouers Vrystaat toe getrek het ‘n beurs gekry by ‘n gewone skool wat geen rede het om vir enige kind ‘n beurs te gee nie. Ek twyfel ook baie sterk of hulle enige beurse gee. Maar met mooi praat sal mense help.
Wat my egter pla is dat seuns 1500 km van hulle ouers moet skool gaan. As die kind self nog altyd dit wou doen is dit seker anders. Mens wonder tog as die skool so gesog is hoekom kinders van die kaap vat as daar net so baie kinders daar bo is wat na die skole wil gaan. Ek weet ek krap dalk waar ek nie moet nie maar ek sou graag wou weet hoeveel kinders van die kaap wat daar in stap nie blank is. Dalk kan julle vir ons die syfers gee? Want soos vroeer genoem was Laerskool Florida se kaapsekorps almal nie blank.
I think through all the comments it us clear that the braai is not going to happen?. Predictions for day 1 CW. 1. Griquas to beat Namibia. 2. Pumas to beat Griffons but it will be tight. 3.WP to beat Boland. 4. EP to take the win against the Sharks.
@BoishaaiPa: sorry man verkeerde bewoording. Kinders word genooi om aansoek te doen en as hulle aanvaar word hoef hulle nie koshuis en /of skool gelde te betaal nie. Ek weet van vier seuns wat so “gehelp” word. Drie is in die koshuis ook.
@BrotherBear: Jammer jy is die laaste een wat oor norme en standaarde kan praat. Hou net op kerm en lieg en probeer meer nederigheid toon. Die lewe sal makliker word.
@Rugger fan: have a look at the Kearsney school site. They have info on next week.
Seems 2 fields to be used for matches and another set for warm-up.
They also needed to create space for the beer-tent – as a matter of course.
@Rugger fan: I think there may be more than two fields being used. There is no parking on the school property due to the fields being used and the 40 busses that need to be parked.
Teams representing different Provinces at U/18 Craven week/Academy week.
It seems as if some provinces are deemed more important than others, or deemed to potentially have more talent than others.
When looking at the teams playing at Kearsney next week the following observations stick out:
Three provinces have FOUR teams (each a CW, XV and two Country District)
1. Griquas
2. EP
3. Border
Four provinces have THREE teams (each a CW, XV and CD)
1. Griffons
2. Valke (CW, Red, Blue0
3. Pumas
4. Sharks
Three of the Country District teams also play in the Craven week portion
1. Griquas
2. Border
3. EP
Definitely not power against power then – but only performance will show if this is true. I think the organisers have made a very good decision to use one venue for all the games. Hopefully they then have an opportunity, next year, to match power against power.
As a first step they should include at least one more team from the WP (they can probably get two more teams), one more from the Lions, one more from the BB and one more from SWD (swap with WP?). These are the real powerhouses where deserving kids do not get an opportunity (vs. EP, Border and Griquas). They can decide if some CD teams get kicked off, or not.
They should also move the following teams to the Craven week
1. Lions XV
2. Sharks XV
3. WP XV
4. BB XV
5. SWD XV
and the following to the Academy week competition
1. Griquas CD
2. Zim
3. Namibia
4. Border CD
5. EP CD
I know the existing setup is probably used to identify potential PD talent, but they can probably put a more concerted effort into it.
@BOG: konteks is dat elkeen van ons ‘n “my wereld” het, en dat nie almal op die blog met jou menings saamstem nie (net soos met baie ander ouens se menings).
@BrotherBear: “My wereld?” Ek sou hoop dat die wereld wat ek “beskryf”, die universele een is waarin almal lewe. Ek dink, met die “benefit of hindsight”, was ek nogal tot dusver, kommerwekkend akkuraat met my voorspellings al het van die manne moerig en geirriteerd geraak. Wat my opinie aangaan, het ek nog nooit te kenne gegee dat ek hoegenaamd namens iemand of iets, praat nie. Wat ek se, is uitsluitlik my persoonlike opinie. En wat opinie betref, is ek dankbaar vir n skoolopvoeding waar individualisme ook kon floreer en waar elkeen nie n eentonige en slaafse eenvormigheid gehad of het nie. En my ou gebruikte voorbeeld. GCB het vir Bram Fischer en Roby Leibrandt opgelewer en elke denkbare opinie tussen daardie twee uiterstes. As ek moet raai, sou ek dink ek le iewers in die middel van daardie twee here.
@BrotherBear: Ek lees graag almal se kommentaar. Ek het persoonlik n probleem daarmee as almal wat met n skool geassosieer word onder die selfde kam geskeer word. Ek het al op n vorige geleentheid gese dat ons die skool trui van ons skool met trots dra. Juis agv van dit dink mense soms dat hul dieselfde opinie het. Dit is ma die geval van assosiasie. Boring aanvaar ek eerder as modder gooiery. Ek is seker dat as intelligente mense ons wel oor iets kan praat eerder as om mekaar die heletyd sleg te se. Dit is nie verskuidenheid nie, maar swak. @BOG het ook maar sy eie idees en dit pla my min.
@rugbyman: Eish, ou maat. Weet nie waar jy normes en waardes geleer het nie. Ek glo nie van jou stellings reflekteer Garsfontein nie.
Die instellings waaraans ons gekoppel is (op watter manier ook al), is baie groter as die individu. Hoe kan een persoon se kommentaar ‘n instelling se naam in onguns bring? Veral nie as daardie persoon nie namens die instelling praat nie. Sometimes it just boggles the mind.
@Rugbyman: Hoop on dan volgende week baie komentaar te hoor. Lees die Lions het n groot terugkom poging aangewend in 2de helfde teen Bulls GK maar toe verloor. Was blykbaar baie mooi rugby.
@Riempies: Ok, hoor wat jy se.
Probleem om net oor sekere “topics” te gesels, is dat dit maar bra boring gaan wees as ons net gaan hoor van hoe goed Pietie en Jannie speel soos berig word deur al die pappas se vriende en agente. Punt van blog is om so bietjie verskeidenheid te he en oor ALLE aspekte van rugby te kan gesels. @Stier is nuwe man en het heel legitieme vrae gevra. Indien mens fyn lees sal jy sien dat bietjie meer inligting elke keer uitkom of uit ‘n ander perspektief gestel word. En dit is nie noodwendig sleg vir die ouens wat nie wil deel nie.
“Point to ponder”: dink jy werklik dat Grey Kollege se naam deur die modder gesleep word omdat @BOG ‘n unieke manier het om sy wereld te beskryf?
@BrotherBear: Boetie ek hoor wat jy se. Het dit ook gelees op n vorige keer. My komentaar is gerig aan almal wat wil luister. Ek en ek se ek glo dat die tipe gesprekke geen waarde tot die blog toevoeg nie meer eerder n modder gooiery veroorsaak. Om mekaar aantevat is goed solank dit opbouend is. Dit wat hier plaasvind sit buide Helpies en Garsies in n slegte lig by mede blog lesers. Dit gaan min oor rugby en eerder oor wie die laaste se kan he. Kom ons stop liewer hierdie gespreke en gaan terug na wat hierdie blog voor bedoel is. Rugby.
Ek sien baie uit na volgende week en sal liewer kommentaar oor Craven en Akademieweek rugby wil lees. Daarmee volstaan ek die gesprek.
@BrotherBear: jou optrede na julle ons geklop het verwys… jy is die rede! Jy het helpies se naam in onguns gebring! Nou wil jy hoogheilig speel… ongelooflik
@Riempies: Mens moet net onderskeid kan tref tussen openlike kritiek en regmatige vrae vra. Ek herhaal ook paar keer dat Garsfontein goeie werk doen, so diskrediteer nie die skool. Wil ook nie net aanvaar jy praat oor my kommentaar, maar weet nie heeltemal aan wie almal jou komentaar gerig is hier bo (sien dis spesifiek aan @Quagga gerig) i.v.m. skole kritiek. Baie keer is die powere manier van antwoord eerder die slegte refleksie. Ook niks verkeerd om mekaar bietjie aan te vat nie – hou dit net bo die waistline.
Moes ongelukkig ook vir @Rugbyman laat onthou dat hy nie so “holier than thou” is as wat hy voorgee nie (gesprekke oor Helpmekaar tussen hom en Waterkloof kerel op blog vroeer in seisoen). Kan nie onthou dat sulke gesprekke al tussen ons oor ander skole gehou is nie – of hoe?
@Quagga: Dankie man. Jy het my so pas n helse klomp tyd gespaar . Het self twee keer die padjie gevolg. Ek hoop regtig dit is nou die einde van die tipe gesprekke! Hy het gese ek het gese bring niemand iets in die sak nie. @Djou ek hoop jou vraag is nou geantwoord. @Quagga nie n persoon wat leens vesprei nie so da het jy dit nou. Indien dit nie voldoende is nie is jy meer as welkom om n brief aan direksie te skryf vir verdere anrwoorde. Ek soos miskien baie op die blog nou moeg vir die tipe gesprekke. Kom ons praat eerder oor rugby en hou op om skole te kritiseer. Dink dit is in swak smaak.
@Rugbyman: Weereens dankie vir jou kommentaar, alhoewel jy nie my vraag volledig beantwoord nie. Weet regtig nie hoekom jy so opgewonde raak nie (“amper se ek nou iets leliks”). Se dit net soos dit is, ou maat. As jy nie inligting wil openbaar maak, se dan net so. Leef dan ook maar net met die feit dat mense nie gaan ophou vrae vra nie, a.g.v. die uitsonderlike omstandighede (anders as ander skole in die omgewing wat nie op hierdie vlak uit die Kaap uit werf). Onthou net dat julle standaarde en wat julle vir die kinders doen nie deur my bevraagteken word nie. Net die werklike motiewe en befondsing.
Bly om te sien jy het nou weer ‘n warm gevoel jeens die mede-helpies. Die houding het nie baie sterk deurgekom toe jy en jou Waterkloof maters so bietjie “gevleg” en julle Helpmekaar “ge-badmouth” het nie.
@BrotherBear: @Djou: Funding is always a critical issue in a private school. As I will have 5 kids in Helpies from next year and have personally been through the very tough admissions process for the fifth time this year I think I can give my 2 cents worth. Helpmekaar is not a rugby school and rugby certainly is in my perception way down the pecking order as is evident from any Laudatio evening. They have people that are passionate about the sport (like us ) and talented like any other school and word-of-mouth is probably their main tactic to create awareness among potential learners. They also invite parents of talented kids to come and have a look around. During the first interview for my eldest son (who played for the GL at the time), the only comment about rugby was that they enjoy competing but losing is as important as winning. The focus has certainly been on receiving a superb level of academic instruction followed perhaps by athletics and certainly a huge amount of cultural/arts/entrepreneurial activities in my opinion. Every year the number of applications to enroll into the school exceed the available seats exponentially so the few months of the interviewing and selection process could end up being quite stressful to the parents and prospective Welpies alike. As far as funding is concerned I can tell you there may be a few learners with special circumstances that may apply through the school structures every year to receive financial support for the following year but there are no sports bursaries that I have heard of. My son moved from a sports scholarship in another private school where he was in the boarding house to Helpies for personal reasons where we had to pay our way. Simple as that. The same is the case with my other four and the same will apply for the youngster who will go through that same process this time next year and that GL jumper he wore in Vryheid at the u12 week may assist to get him into the school as much as a top 10 academic performer or the head boy of a primary school or a girl who has an equestrian background or a music talent but won’t result in any of them enjoying free schooling. It just does not and cannot work that way in a private school that seeks to maintain exceptional standards.
As far as Garsies and perhaps Florida funding models are concerned I say who cares where the money comes from, as long as whatever the situation, it is always in the interest of the developing child. Being a thousand kms from home must be extremely difficult for a kid but I don’t think for one second that these schools do not put the interests of the child first and have a suitable support program in place and in some cases that might be THE opportunity that has such a profound influence on that boy’s future that makes all the difference to that person. I know some kids that are in that situation personally and I know at least some of them will never look back. To me the more critical issue is after school, after the good work that Saints or Jeppe or Garsies or Florida or KES have done, what happens to that young person to realise his potential and not get lost in a system that has widely been shown up as generally weak and uncaring when it comes to players.
Die bulle en saru betaal vir geen kind by garsfontein nie… ons interne sake is ons saak… ek neem aan Helpies het ook beurse? Dis wat ek hoor by my pelle daar… ek meng my nie in by julle geldsake nie want dit het niks met my te doen nie… los ons sin dan ook maar vir ons…
Terloops… ek hoor ook die ouens by helpies wil graag weet wie jy is… help hulle asb tog uit
@Hooit: I know the Academy team playing Monday and Craven team on Tuesday. Hopefully they have enough “boerekos” and coffee available. Some people thinking of bringing their gazebos and gas braais along as well.
You ask the question (in jest) if it is safe to braai together. I think the parents from different schools sometimes get along better than with parents of their own schools. hehehehe
We have (had) one such extremely irritating parent that has caused all sorts of havoc at school (really not a pleasant person). Through formal and informal processes he has been made to understand that his behaviour is unacceptable and that if the behaviour continuous he is not welcome in the community. Luckily he has decided to remove his child from Helpmekaar and move to a public school closer to Randburg.
@Grasshopper: Their (Oz) requirements vary and often they are in greater need of chefs and hairdressers than medicine men and CAs. In fact, right now, CAs and engineers are struggling to find jobs, while carpenters and plumbers are in demand.So, keep your ear to the ground and dont go on a temporary visa, the 457 I think?. Risk to high- rather wait for the 189 (PR). Otherwise what about NZ? Your sister is there and after you have acquired NZ nationality (4/5 yrs), you can move freely between Oz and NZ. Anyway the purpose of that article, tells you that gloom drives emigration, rather than gap years, pleasure, unhappiness with clubs,or any other fabricated explanation for the flight. And of course, rugby players would be included.
@BoishaaiPa: you quite correct as an old boy even it was quite a stressful year receiving admissions to Boishaai for my son. I would say boys applying that are more skilled rugby players have a better opportunity and more realistic chance. I had to wait until following year for space in hostel. It’s extremely competitive even to just into the school. The competition doesn’t stop there…The bois push each other non stop. Some seek excellence in other sports and fields of interest once they have settled in. If people take a look at all round achievements it’s more than just rugby. Yes the rugby has a huge drive but all are busy not just rugby players. I think Boishaai are in a good position that they can select from the pick of the crop who jostling for position in a top school. I recall whole grade 7 year boys discussing places they applied to and would like to go to if accepted. Last 7 years or so and history of the school being huge draw card.
@Djou: REALLY? You proclaim from the rooftops that certain people are liars and then you ask them questions. What does that mean? My advice is to think hard and deep before you make any further statements on the blog or, in public for that matter. You know what happened to the boy who carried on “Crying Wolf”? Your continued attempts to discredit is rather lame, without imagination and reflects your persona in a very bad light (which it probably isn’t). If you want to play in the Lion’s den, you better have something more than a candlestick (or fake bull horns). hehehe
I will answer your question though: I don’t know for a fact where the money would come from, but I assume there may be elements of cross-subsidisation from school fees, income from various school managed events and funding from alma mater. I do know that some existing parents have assisted some scholars in the hostel out of their own pocket where emergency medical events have occurred.
@Rugbyman: Thanks that you at least make an effort to reply. Apologies for trying to steal some of your valuable time. If it is a huge effort to state it clearly, then please refer to the statements in previous blog entries where the FACTS were stated. It is all the new guys are asking for. @Stier probably has a right just like everyone else, to ask questions and be answered. Your answers above are all very general and vague. They do contradict themselves in that you acknowledge active recruitment but then fail to state who pays for deserving but financially dependent scholars. I do not detect any untruths, but your statement do not tell the WHOLE story. You do say it is NOT the school or the BB union. So I will ask a specific question: What influence or contribution or support or affiliation does SARU or any rugby union or affiliated rugby body have w.r.t. any pupil from “out of town” at Garsfontein?
@Grasshopper: yes – I can imagine the trouble and strife is not too happy with been uprooted time and again! Your kids are still young so good time to go. I still have many friends in the UK and in my line of business go there often. Business hates nothing more than uncertainty and unfortunately, for the City of London in particular, uncertainty will be around for quite a while and that means job freezes, planned project cuts, no spending etc until they decide where they are at. That’s why I asked if you are transferring with the same company that you came to SA with? I love the UK – lived and worked there for 8 years and travelled extensively across Europe but my view is that the UK, and Europe and particular are facing a very uncertain immediate future – but then again, so is the whole bloody world!
@BOG: I tried Aus too but their skills shortage list is mostly blue collar jobs or professional jobs like medicine, CA’s etc. I’m in a very niche digital media sector which isn’t really IT and more advertising/marketing. I could get in but would need to be patient. I have a UK passport so just easier to walk into the UK. Just today we had two break-ins in our ‘secure’ estate….it’s getting too close…
@Roger: hahaha, yep hop hop hop, I love change. Nah, just had family issues that have made us move so often. My wife hates me for it but as a stay at home mom hasn’t got much choice. We decided 4 years ago to give SA a chance and came back to see for ourselves. It’s been a great 4 years but there are just too many issues facing the country to deal with. We all know what they are. Brexit and whatever happens will be a little blip compared to what faces SA. I just cannot keep my head in the sand any longer so off we go. SA will always be my country and I love it, but my kids will be full blown pommies. Anyway, I hope to keep up with Schools rugga here as I did before.
@Stier: Net n klein regstellingtjie na aanleiding van al jou kommentaar hierbo. HJS “teken” niemand nie….goeie kandidate word identifiseer en word genooi om aansoek te doen vir toelating. Die skoolhoof en sy bestuur het die finale keuse oor wie aanvaar word en wie nie. Vanselfsprekend dat iemand wat genooi word dalk n beter kans staan om toelating te kry, maar dis nie altyd die geval nie. Die skool kan net soveel Gr 8’s akkomodeer en kry omtrent 10 keer meer aansoeke..hulle het redelike wye keuses om van te kies en balans is belangrik tussen sport, akademie en kultuur. Jou tjom se seun is dus een van baie min wat gelukkig genoeg was om aanvaar te word.
@odie15: The sun always shines over some part of the British Empire, they say- or said. Not quite these days anymore, but no, I just have a very unusual routine, necessary if I do wish to speak to someone where the sun does shine. Or clean a babys dirty nappy. Sleep tight-off to bed again.
Iets anders, as ‘n kind by craven week beseer word en hospitaal toe moet gaan, wie moet pa staan vir die kostes? Het die unie enige verantwoordelikheid of is dit die kind se probleem?
Selfs rugbyman se julle werf hier in die kaap. Lieg hy ook? Jy en rugbyman teken twee verskillinde prentjies van dieselfde skool.
Weereens ek het nie ‘n probleem met kinders werf en geleenthede gee nie. Maar asseblief moeinie voorgee julle reputasie as ‘n rugby skool laat die kinders van oor die hele land tou staan sonder ‘n vet wortel nie. Baie min skole in ons land kan kinders trek sonder dat ‘n ouer in die skool was of dat die skool die naaste bestse opsie is nie. Selfs die top skole in ons land sal sukkel om voor te bly as hulle nie talent werf nie. Party skole moet geld gee ander het so ‘n naam dat hulle net ‘n uitnodiging gee, maar almal werf en die meeste moet betaal. Glo my selfs Grey sal “help” as hulle dink dit is die moeite werd.
Wie weet eendag hoef garsies ook net ‘n uitnodiging te stuur maar daai dag is nog nie nou al nie.
@BrotherBear: You must be a bad reader. Garsies was the one school to openly acknowledge that they recruit while others said they don’t. We also explained the funding model like 100 times. Now please explain Helpies’ funding model. Who pays for your recruits?
@BrotherBear: So say the greatest liar of them all Brotherbear! I’ll rather keep my mouth shout if I were you because it was proven that nobody should believe anything you say!
Read properly all the questions answered. Unfortunately, they don’t answer my questions. Wonder why?
@Hooit: Sal lekker braai met Helpies – net sonder die Beer! Hy wil net baklei en lieg en superiority wys! Weet min van nederigheid!
@Stier: Stier, identifiseer jouself bietjie – watter skool ondersteun jy en wees meer spesifiek want jy maak baie random aannames. Monie worry, ons sal nie so sarkasties soos jy wees en aspris leuens versprei nie.
@Stier: Ek het nooit gesê ons werf nie… ons koshuis is egter nie net vol kaapse kinders nie… dis nie waar nie… miskien moet jy wp en boland skole vra hoe van die talentvollr seuns deur hulle net glip…? Ek vermoed van die seuns soek geleenthede…. truth it is…
Waglys die het ons ook… nie net van die kaap nie, dwarsoor die land…
@Rugbyman: Sorry dat ek nou on nuus weer laat herleef. Ek aanvaar dat 90% van alle kinders gelukkig is in die skool wat hulle gekies het. En dit geld ook vir julle skool. Niemand wonder oor die kinders se geluk nie. Dit is egter wel ‘n vraag of Garsfontein so ‘n ongelooflik naam op gebou het, veral onder briun mense in die kaap dat hulle nou al op waglyste gesit word by Garsies.
Ek het nie ‘n probleem met enige ou wat enige skool toe gaan nie. Maar baie van die mense verstaan nie wat dit alles beteken nie en omdat hulle glo dit is ‘n geleentheid vir hulle kinders doen hulle dit en sal hulle nie kla nie. Ek het al met ‘n paar kinders gewerk wat uit arm gebiede kom en dan sulke geleenthede kry. Dit is moeilik vir hulle ouers om nee te se, en hulle het gewoonlik nie die vrymoedigheid of kennis om by plaaslike skole te gaan aansoek doen vir hulp nie. Hulle vat die eerste beste aanbod sonder om vir iets beter te wag of te vra.
Enige redelike goeie skool met ‘n koshuis sal ‘n waglys he, maar genoeg om die hele skool vol kaapse kinders te maak soos party mense hier se?
Soos jy se kom ons los dit dan daar. Ek verstaan nou, ouers hier van die kaap se townships bel vir garsies op aandrang van hulle kinders sonder om eers hier te probeer en dan stuur hulle hulle kinders gauteng toe. Julle werf nie hier onder die mense nie. Sonder enige hulp of inmenging van julle kant, kan hulle julle skool volmaak.
Ek speel net,maar jy moet erken dit klink nie baie geloofwaardig nie. Maar dit wys net weer “truth is stranger than fiction.”
@BrotherBear: Van julle manne is redelik nuut en daarmee bedoel ek die laaste 2 jaar op die blog… ander van ons kom al van die begin af, van rugby365 se dae af… elke nou en dan pop n man soos stier uit en vra die vrae wat al vir ure, dae en weke gedebateer is op die blog en die meeste ouens hier sal daarvan getuig…
Met die grootste respek, ek gaan rerig nie weer in die “removing boys from their roots” en “duisende kilometers van hulle huise” ensovoort betrokke raak nie…
Kom ek som dit so op, en ek gaan rerig daarby volstaan… ouers en kinders maak keuses… niemand het enigsins n geweer teen enige seun in garsfontein se kop gedruk en die ouers of kind geforseer om na ons toe te kom nie… ons het kinders van mpumalanga, limpopo, noordwes ens ook in ons skool want ons het n koshuis… so ook het grey en affies en paarl gim en monnas en so kan ek aangaan ook kinders van dwarsoor die land in hulle skole… dit bly keuses! Die kinders wat by ons is, is gelukkig en dit kan jy gerus met hulle gaan toets as jy sou wou! Het ons ‘n waglys? Contrary to popular belief het ons n waglys ja en kan ons nie al die kinders akkomodeer wat by ons aansoek doen nie! Daarby volstaan ek. Lekker aand!
O ja! En geluk aan die blou bulle grant khomo span met hulle wen oor die leeus… daar is after all darem 5 garsies in daai span insluitende die kaptein… well done seuns!
@Hooit: Ja nee kyk! Gelukkig veskil alle mense. Om n vuurtjie mag ons miskien oor meer as eending saamstem. Mense moet net bietjie minder gevoellig wees. Dit is mos rugby man!!
@BrotherBear: I will be there. Leaving on Saterday already. I heard that parking could be a problem. Will have to go early to get decent spot. Just a pity most of the good games are in the latter part of day.
@Grasshopper: Just dont get carried away with the compliment regarding your “bravery”. The uncertainty in SA, with the certainty of a credit downgrade, is much greater than the consequences of Brexit.
@Grasshopper: jeez ol’ Hopper – true to your name you certainly have hopped around. UK – CT – Durban – JHB and now back to the UK. Brave move with all the uncertainty over there at the moment but best of luck. Is this the same company you transferred from the UK to SA with and are you going back with the same company?
@Rugger Fan: from comments raised previously, I believe the following “other” people could be attending the Kearsney youth rugby week:
@Hooit
@Quagga
@Riempies
@Greenman
@Grasshopper?
Will you be attending?
@Stier: “@McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true.”
Please attend Bog’s wife’s English classes. Or, hit the Aum Sai Baba personal relief weekend to free yourself from personal interpretations.
@Djou: Why don’t you answer @Stier and @AntonT, rather than accusing people of lies again? Seems you have a bit of a mental block w.r.t. the truth and the world you live in. Once your arguments dry up you start accusing people – WHAT THE HELL? I also want to know, why children should be uprooted from their families, and travel 1000’s of kilometres to attend your school? There are many excellent schools in the country and I promise you there are schools just as good as Garsies and Helpies and, and …. in the Cape. Some kind of “carrot” is being used to get these kids into Garsies. AND it is not your name as a rugby giant (yet). Who is then paying for their studies, accommodation, etc? Club ?????? Nobody wants to take anything away from Garsies, just play open cards.
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true. As soon as you make a racial bias part of a system it doesn’t mater what the reality is anymore. Those people living under that system will be judged as being part of that system. So white kids will experience racial bias at sport trails and will always see qoutas as a real or realistic obstical. To now expect their parents to justify this system is asking somebody to lei to his own child, who will do that? Unfortunitly that means that any black player that makes it will be labled as a qouta player. The question will always be how many white kids had to stand back for x y or z player to be selected through the age group levels? Is it wrong? It doesn’t mater the system labels these players.
Can I ask what is the qouta for rugby teams at the moment. And do we have one team that has achieved that qouta?
The point I make is that yes players will leave for many reasons and that can all be changed through good management better accounting better opportunities what ever but qoutas is part of a system. It is like saying bad management is now the system or non delivering on promises is now the system. That is the problem with qoutas, the rest can be changed and will always differ depending on the management at a individual institution but qoutas is part of the system something totally different. Nobody can get past it and all will be judged by it for as long as it is there. Even Hansen asked how do you motivate players to beat the best if they don’t even know they are the best in their own country?
@Playa: Agree fully with @McCulleys Workshop (and you) on the multiple reasons for players leaving. To answer your question w.r.t. the mentioned 45; I don’t really know. I believe Marcel Coetzee was done in w.r.t. his place in the Springbok team and replaced with a PD player that was not as good as him (to fulfil quotas).
My comments relate to the scurge called “Quotas”, but, once again, that is only one reason for some players leaving. I equate it to crime. Just because a few people commit crimes, does not condemn a nation. The crime is however still wrong.
My view (repeated) is that it is actually a good thing that players are leaving. Creates some space for up & coming and also weeds out some old wood. Also improves rugby in some areas of the world (USA).
Sad to hear of the death of JJ Yamwimbi from the Valke team. Seems he had concussion from a game for his school. Our sincere condolences go out to his family, friends and school, Rhodesfield. He was in the Valke GK team a few years ago.
@Djou: Gaan lees wat jy se in 118. Soos ek reeds gese het die kans dat kinders van die kaap garsies toe wil gaan klink net te goed. Daar gaan nie eers soveel van hulle Affies of Grey toe nie? Ek weet nie wie kry almal geld nie maar ek weet vir ‘n feit dat Centurion het gekry of hulle nog kry weet ek nie en hulle was ook nie die enigste nie. Dit maak ook nie saak wie die geld gee of nie gee nie. Die feit is baie kinders van die kaap beland in skole in Gauteng omdat daar geld betrokke is en nie omdat die kinders 1500 km van hulle ouers wil wees nie.
Niemand op hiedie blog of enige ander forum sal glo dat so baie kinders van die kaap Garsies toe wil gaan dat soos jy dit se julle die hele skool kan vul met aansoeke van die kaap.
‘n Tjom van my seun is geteken deur HJS, hy bly in die kaap. Skole in Gauteng wou hom ook he. Nou is die vraag hoekom sou ‘n skool in Gauteng ‘n kind wil he wat reeds geteken is deur HJS? Om hom ‘n better geleentheid te gee? Ek dink nie so nie. As niemand hom geteken het nie en hulle wil hom help dan verstaan mens maar dit is nie wat hulle doen nie. Maar hoe weet hierdie skole van die kinders? Dit is alles net te veel van ‘n toeval. Elke jaar dieselfde storie en dit sonder enige hulp van buite net kinders hier in die kaap wat graag in gauteng wil skool gaan? Ook interresant hoe meeste van die kinders nie blank is?
Laerskool rugby in die kaap is baie groter en beter as in gauteng glo my, my seun was by altwee betrokke. Her in die kaap speel almal rugby in die township is daar ‘n rugby veld ons speel teen nie blanke skole elke kwartaal en van hulle is goed veral die laer ouderdomme. Die ding is ek ken meeste van my seun se opponente by die naam. Hier ken die kinders van verskillende skole mekaar van kleins af. Dit is die Groot ding wat my hier in die kaap opgeval het. Miskien omdat alles kleiner is ek weet nie maar her kry mens nog daai gevoel van almal ken almal. My punt is dat ek met baie jong seuns praat en ken, en ek het nog nooit een hoor praat oor skool gaan in gauteng nie. Ja ek ken nie almal nie maar as garsies so ‘n gewilde keuse is sou mens dit al iewers gehoor het. En my seun het in drie sporte WP proewe tot by die laaste proewe gevorder. Punt is ons ken meeste van die top kinders hier onder. En soos ek se garsies het ek nog nooit gehoor nie, nie eers Affies of Grey nie.
Sorry jou stories klink net te goed om waar te wees.
@Grasshopper: Well, the consequences are known elswhere in Africa, and there is not a single reason why it will be different here. Anyway, all the best in finding something even better in the UK. I can imagine what is going to happen to those targets when SA hits junk in December and the ZAR goes into a free fall.@Playa: With your last comment, you at least illustrated what you meant by “semantics”. Fact is that SA is losing an estimated 52 000, highly skilled people pa. In their place, we are getting uneducated refugees in the millions.And yes,many of those who are leaving, include rugby players. Their concerns for their children are no different from any other people. Here is a different ange of the same report earlier. “TV audiences turn off the rugby. Is sports sponsorships bubble bursting?” http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2016/07/05/tv-audiences-turn-off-rugby/
@BOG: Shocking really, international experience thrown to the trash. M company now made 20 people redundant because our initial revenue targets were missed, guess why? Our targets were set in Euro and the Rand has lost so much value we just can’t hit those targets. Guess who the majority let go? The more experienced and educated white managerial staff so the company could become more BEEBEBEBEBEBBEEBEBEBEBEBEE compliant….
@McCulleys Workshop: Thank you.That is exactly what I have been trying to say.You could have saved me the multiple posts I have wasted time writing.I’m not very strong in expressing myself in the Queens English.
@Playa: From my limited experience there are multiple reasons that young players are leaving: Sponsored international study opportunities, money, life style, gap year of sorts, SA political environment, quotas and general dissolutionment with the unions. Two young up and coming players have/are leaving a particular Union as they are dissolutioned with the union, the management of the Union (who are white), the attitude of the Snr players at the Union (who are white). They are electing to ply their trade abroad. While no doubt the quota issue is an issue, it is not THE issue. Take KZN as an example, play rugby and get a world class degree at the same time, not!
@Stier: Kyk waar is jy nou! Maak ‘n stelling dat Bulle vir Garsies betaal en word reggehelp. Vra dan hoe beland kinders in die Kaap in Garsies en jy word reggehelp.
Jy hou nie van die antwoorde nie en is nou op ‘n hele ander tema van niemand weet wie Garsies is nie en bring vir Victor ens ens in – ‘n tipiese voorbeeld van kognitiewe dissonansie.
Ag ek los dit liewer!
@AntonT: Nie liggeraak nie boet – hou net nie daarvan dat ouens leuens versprei – en as dit reggestel word, dan is die ander persoon kwansuis liggeraak volgens jou. Of wil jy he mens moet maar jou mond hou en die leuens laat rondgaan?
@BOG: As your wife to translate the word Queen’s English word “some” into a language you can understand.
While at it, ask them to put the whole statement into context for you:
“It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.”
@Playa: “There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and their parents) illusions of being destined for higher honours”, you referring to those who are leaving. If I can understand my wife and childrens Queens English, Im sure I can understand yours. R.I.P !!@Stier: That sums up the feeling of many who have moved elsewhere. They would rather struggle elsewhere, even go unemployed, but their focus is on their children and they have hope, something which has evaporated in SA. Just one question that I have for both of you. Under the old dispensation, one of the most obnoxious and contentious laws, was the “Race classification Act”. How do they currently categorize a person/player if they do not physically classify them? Yes, he might ostensibly be of a particular colour, but surely, distant observation cannot possibly determine that beyond doubt. It would really be a very interesting court case.
@Stier:
P.S. KP was a bowler first and for most and NOT a batsman when he left SA. That transformation happened abroad. Who knows what would have happened had he stuck around and concentrated on the bat while he was here. But it matters not.
@Stier: You have totally misunderstood me. I will attempt to make my point clear one more time.
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Read my post on 149 in response to BrotherBear.
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My disclaimer on 150 states that my comments, and any that follow are based on the article BOG posted, and the list of names in the said article. I have asked BrotherBear, and I will ask you as well. How many of those players, from your experience with them, do you believe are leaving purely because of quotas, and how their careers have been impacted by them?
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We will disagree on the correct definition of racism. I can understand and appreciate how the white population feels. My views on the way forward are well documented, and the long and short of it is that there is a realisation that needs to come from both whites and blacks – the problem we have right now is that whites want blacks to change, and blacks want whites to change – different circumstances, and no one is taking the time out to listen to the other without their black/white blinkers on.
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That was more of a jibe on my part. Probably out of line I’ll admit. But it comes from the constant white rhetoric that comes out everytime a black person mentions their hardships, and how their disadvantage is crippling their progress etc. There almost always will be the “My father had nothing and worked his way up/work hard and you will get the results/stop whining and get on with it” response. Again, I shouldn’t have added that, I was just thinking out loud.
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BOG once said on this very blog that all black representatives in SA sport are quotas by virtue of the quota system being a policy. By default, all employed professionals are AA appointments, all business owners are BEE beneficiaries because those policies exist…(he didn’t say it but he implied it – may he didn’t, in which case I will retract the assumption).
I will quote Grassy above on 151: “I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions.”
I will quote BOG on 155: “…In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught.”
I do not agree with quotas at professional level. I do feel they are a necessary evil for reasons I have long explained here. I do not, and will never agree with quotas at school level. They are inexcusable. Kids will listen to their parents though. If talk like the one above flies around the house, true as they may be, you will have kids that slowly grow up with a sense of superiority and that the world is wrong when things don’t go their way. It is no different to a black kid growing up in a home where there is constant bitterness of how the father is paid less than his white colleague, or how he was not white enough to earn that promotion etc. Kids develop a certain sense from that, your frustration becomes theirs. A black kid will accept a less competent black person earning more than him or getting that promotion, and will probably just laugh it off, but will claim racism if it was a white person – the same tends to happen with white people in a vice versa situation. Sometimes justified because racism and quotas/AA/BEE are a reality in this country. Sometimes not because we were conditioned in certain ways from a young age and have become oblivious to our own incompetence, and shortcomings
@BOG: I also think people don’t always understand what a big step it is to leave everything behind and go abroad. It is very few peoples first choice but looking at the way we are following the Zimbabwean path the decision is fast becoming more easy to make.
A friend of mine moved to Melbourne four years ago. He is a medical engineer, financially he has been put fiftheen years back. Still he says for his kids futures he made the right decision at least they are relatively save and they will be judged on merit not on the colour of their skin.
@Playa: playa you amaze me, when non white players don’t get seleceted it is because of racism and you give one or two examples and the is then the norm.If white kids leave it is isolated cases and not the norm?
It doesn’t matter if a white rugby player that leaves would have made it or not the fact that they leave is a huge problem. Ask yourself how many of these players that is named are black? Why so few black player? Look how many of these guys are under 25 even under 23. It is mad to think they only leave for the money. It also doesn’t realy mater weather you want to believe these kids leave because of the political interference or not the fact is it is a huge topic next to any schoolboy rugby field on a Saturday. Trust me the conversations is not just about the money.
Also consider that very few will publicly say that they are leaving because of political interference. Look what happened to KP, we all had a big go at him and he was also one of those that wasn’t good enough to make it and he had to stand back for Bodi. Then a few years later he was the no.1 batsman in the world? Oops. We came from a racist past and instead of changing that we are once again building a new racist system and until black people in this country realize this we will once again experience decades of injustice. Remembered you don’t cure racism with racism.
A few years ago I saw a interview with a old apartheid fighter on BBC and in the interview he was laughing his head of really laughing out of his stomach when explaining how ridiculous the system was. See he said that he was a Xhosa but he was very light skinned, so he had him self re classified as coloured and not black. He is right it is stupid just a pity it has not changed. I wonder if he will laugh just as loud at what is happening now, because if the system looks racist and smell racist it probably is racist.
Funny you should mention hard work. I have been telling you that it is the only way to get successful transformations based on merit in this country. Good schools with good coaching so Mmvovo’s school don’t have to take 100+ at half time.
One last thing thees white kids get told from under 11 that there will be quotas applied at their provincial trails. Because most black schools don’t have good coaching it can not be hidden away. These kids know when their opponent is good or not. They are not stupid and they can’t believe if they sometimes see who made the teams. So they get thought that from a young age so why should they not be suspicious of the system when they leave school, whether they are good enough or not, oops it might be another KP.
@BOG: What I surmised is “THERE ARE PLAYERS WITH SHORTCOMINGS WHO BLAME AA/QUOTAS FOR NOT MAKING IT’. English is a second language for both of us so I get how things can get lost in translation.Then again, you are famous (notorious) for twisting semantics to suit your own point.
@Grasshopper: A friend of my son, an old “Glenwoodian”, and I guess about your age, has been in CT since November and unable to find a job- for the same reason. In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught. He is probably on his way back too.
@Grasshopper: Well, you cannot say that I did not warn you.As you call it, Mud Island is not all that great,climate wise, but at least you are not discriminated against because of your pigmentation. And you will be arriving there in summer which will ease the transition. And of course, many of the players who are leaving, are doing it in the interests of their children- not just rugby and money. You can go and read the comments on the SA expat pages to Australia as well. 99% of the thousands who takes this difficult step- a lot of money, big risks, do it in the interest of their children. And they sacrifice hugely to do that. But they see no future here for their kids.@Playa: That is precisely what you surmised- players are blaming AA, quotas for their shortcomings as rugby players. Well, Ill tell you, there are more who exploit quotas to masquerade as rugby players. And that becomes clear within 3-4 years after they leave school. Otherwise, Im not going to disturb your slumber. If you want to fool yourself, at least enjoy it. While you do, the pillars are crumbling.
@Rugger fan: Me, on Monday from 1pm…can’t wait! Will be up with my best mate who coaches at Ashton, he will probably be the biggest guy there on the day…can’t miss him…
@BOG: Well I’m returning to the UK in 3 weeks exactly because of BEBEBEBBEEEEEEE & quotas. I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions. Also, I want my kids growing up in a society where everyone is equal and teams are picked on merit. I can tell you now many of those rugby players are doing it for their kids too..
@BOG:
“To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself.”
Could you please quote me on where exactly I said that?
To be clear. My views are purely based on the article you posted, and the names listed thereof. The one reason for leaving all those guys have in common, is MONEY. That is the only absolute I can state, and we can debate that if you wish. Any other reasons, are individual dependant – whatever those may be, and these include politics. Where players sight politics as a reason, there will be genuine ones (small minority), and there will be convenient excuses (majority). Some of those will be people who rightfully have been hard done by transformation (I am struggling to see a single guy who I think has been limited by transformation – I am happy to be enlightened if I am missing something), some will be people who are disillusioned.
@BrotherBear: Don’t get me wrong. Quotas is a genuine reason for some, but really not for a majority. Take a careful look a that list, and then tell me how many of those would you genuinely believe if they told you they are leaving because they have been affected by the quota system.
A deserving white boy who loses out of a Craven Week position because the union needs to fill up a quota, gets fed up, packs his bags for Europe is a genuine case in my view. It is a case that happens all too often, and I too am concerned and sympathise. To be harsh – what is that about the cream always rising to the top? What is it about rolling up your sleeves and knuckling down to some good old hard work? In reality, though it’s a huge knock for a person, and he is right to plight his trade elsewhere.
There is also the often misguidedness we suffer from as parents….and that is we all believe our kids are geniuses/superstars, and when they don’t make that team, or when they don’t get into that varsity, we blame external factors – instead of being honest with ourselves and to our kids.
Look at that list of 45, and tell me honestly, how many do you believe are leaving because quotas/transformation/politics are a bigger reason than cash. How many in fact, would you say have had their careers limited because of quotas for that matter? I may be the ignorant one in this discussion.
@Playa: To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself. Of course, not all of those who leave, will “make it”. Neither will all the ones who remain in SA. Fact is, they are gatvol for the regimes meddling in sport, while the pillars of society, are collapsing. Mind you, seldom has sport survived at an acceptable level, where governance has collapsed
@Rugbyman: @Stier: @AntonT: @Playa: Lets just stand back and see how this all came about. Every union is made up of clubs. They vote in people to head the union. These people represented their clubs not rugby. Like Jacob and company their new found status resulted in entitlement of money to themselves due to previous disadvantage. They preceded to self enrich and i am well aware that when an event takes place the whole entourage and their families live lavish life styles in hotels courtesy of the unions bank account. I have been told that WP is struggling with money! HOW? The stadium was paid for decades ago in amateur era. Gate is pure profit….Sponsorship and gate fees should easily cover bills. But they are a beast that consumes everything in sight. Yes its professional and a decent salary is due to any that are employed by them. But how many are required? I would love to compare the WPRU to the Dallas cowboys staff and I am sure they out number the Cowboys 20/1 at least.
@Playa: it does sound as if you and those close to you have not really experienced the impact and nastiness of the quota system. I have and my children have. It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE in how you see these things. I can easily mention numerous talented children that have been and still are seriously affected by this and are considering moving to other countries. Yes, those around them (parents, coaches) do not always help in providing perspective, but the adverse effect of the quota system is REAL.
@BOG: It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.I honestly have seen enough players who couldn’t even make their club’s first XV but skipped the country because of ‘quotas and politics’.More often than not,it’s just used as a convenient scapegoat.It’s actually become pathetic.
That’s all I’ll say on this.
@Playa: Im certainly not suggesting that money plays no role in the exodus of players- actually the total collapse of the ZAR, but you are fooling yourself if you think that it is the ONLY reason. And the incompetence which we are seeing in SARU, has NOTHING to do with money. The main reason for this decline, is POLITICAL INTERFERENCE, quotas just being a single manifestation of that. Further below, Stier points out that parents see no rugby future for their kids in SA and I know of some who are leaving directly after school. They are no longer interested in playing even U19 in SA. Next week, we have CW, which is supposed to be the “pride and joy” of SA school rugby. But it has lost its flavour too. Half of the teams will be playing with their shoe laces tied together.And everyone, except the rugby and political cadres know it. And mark my words, everyone, in an attempt, however sickening, to be politically correct, will avoid this issue- while the rugby suffers.Their “remedy” is MORE interference. Their “rationale” is that if socialism does not work, try “scientific socialism”- communism ( in a sporting sense). No, the writing is very clear on the wall, and no, you are not reading it incorrectly. If you think that you are, you are fooling yourself-big time
@Hooit: I don’t know what happened in that match. How it’s possible I don’t know. Some serious complacency also part of that. Maybe ploegie can shed some light on that loss….
@BOG: As mens op ‘n saterdag langs die veld staan en praat met die ouers en seuns is dit duidelik dat al hoe meer seuns sien nie meer ‘n rugby toekoms in suid afrika nie. Hulle wil regverdig behandel word maar hulle besef dit gaan nie gebeur nie. So wie kan hulle kwalik neem? Dit is net hartseer om te sien hoe al hoe minder kinders belangstel in die springbok. Personlik sal ek nie betaal om super rugby of die springbokke te kyk nie. Totdat die ANC agents hulle snoete uit rugby hou sal ek nie geld mors nie. Om die skool kinders op saterdae te sien speel waar almal gelyk behandel word en net die beste speel is waaroor dit regtig gaan.
@Djou: Sjo Djou maar jy is lig gevat. Relax, iemand iewers moet die geld gee…. Watter kind , wie se ouers skaars skoolgelde kan bekostig gaan hulle kinders ‘n 1500km weg stuur en wonderbaarlik ‘n paar ekstra duisend rand ‘n maand optower vir koshuisgelde en al die ander ekstra omkostes. Natuurlik is daar ‘n wortel voor gehou, wat dit ookal mag wees. En persoonlik dink ek nie daar is iets daarmee fout nie. Daar is vir hierdie kinders betaal, dis ‘n feit. Al waaroor nog geargumenteer kan word is wie het betaal. As dit nie die unie, of die skool was nie, was dit dan ‘n weldoener of dalk daai ou wat Saterdae by loftus die bulle ondersteun met die Bulring aan sy neus.
@Djou: So ek moet na jou luister? Ek het baie lank in Pretoria gebly. Garsies was tot onlangs nie eers bekend in Pretoria as ‘n rugby skool nie. Affies en Waterkloof was maar altyd die “rugby” skole. Dit is maar in die laaste vier of vyf jaar dat Garsies elke jaar ‘n faktor begin word het. Gaan kyk maar na die craven week spanned oor die laaste tien jaar. Ek sal nooit vergeet to Blades vir Victor so ‘n paar jaar gelede by craven week vra of Centurion en Garsfontein groot rugby skole is. Victor kon hom nie eers antwoord nie. Punt is Blades ken sy skool rugby en hy het nie eers geweet die skole het goeie rugby nie. Hoeveel Springbokke het Garsies al op gelewer? Garsies is ‘n nuwe skool en hulle sal nog ‘n tradiesie bou maar on vir my te kom vertel dat bruin kinders van die Kaap Garsfontein toe wil gaan? Soos ek gese het dit klink te goed on waar te wees en as iets te goed klink om waar te wees dan is dit gewoonlik.
Are you going to tear yourself away from the salt-mine to have a booga up at Kearsney at all? Gimme a shout if you are. I’m just down the hill – 10 mins away.
That list would halve tomorrow if policy of non-selection for Boks for overseas based players was implemented.
Also added to it is the attraction of playing less games and hence extending one’s longevity in the game.And while at least tripling your earnings.
Soccer experienced this at the advent of professionalism back in the late 60s and still happens today.The South American countries that experienced a player drain to European clubs are still up there with the best.It’s just all new to rugby and cricket.Let’s take a deep breath…equilibrium will be reached.Congratulations Rugby….you are now a career.
@Rugbyman: Jy besef seker ek was sarkasties hierbo, maar toe ek hierdie dinge n jaar of twee gelede geopper het, was daar etllike reaksies, maar wat met onkundig/negatief/pessimisties opgesom kan word. Die volgende sal jou “vermoede” bevestig: “Huge drop in Superrugby, TV, fan numbers” m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Rugby/SuperRugby/super-rugby-tv-fan-viewership-plummets-20160704?isapp=true
@BoishaaiPa: Het die naweek na Nick Mallet se kommentaar geluister en dit was skokkend hoe gebrekkig sy kennis van die reels is. En Maandagaand geluiter na Jean en Ashwin. Nou, ek het baie respek vir hulle, maar ek hoor heeltyd verskonings van waarom die Bokke so swak speel. Alles van hulle is jonk, ‘n nuwe span, ken mekaar nie ens.
Maar waarom sukkel die All Blacks nie so nie. Hulle verloor gereeld net so baie spelers en hulle skakel maklik in. En daar is geen van die verskonings wat ons ouens opdis nie.
@Stier: Wel Stier, jy’t reeds jou ore uitgeleen aan iemand wat meen dat die Bulle geld aan Garsies betaal. En nou weet jy ook dat die seuns nie weet wie Garsies is nie. Nou ja, nes almal hierbo nie weet wie Paarl Gim, Boishaai, ens ens is nie, net so sal jy kinders kry wat nie weet wie Garsies, Grey, Affies ens is nie.
Nog nooit gesê ALMAL wil Garsies toe kom nie. Net vertel wat werklik gebeur en daar is werklik baie seuns wat wil kom.
So, luister eerder na die mense wat binnekennis het eerder as na die groep wat bogstories versprei. Dan is jou opinie meer ingelig!
@BoishaaiPa: Is dit nie maar die probleem by meeste van ons unies nie…? Ek sien daar was ‘n lang berig oor ons kykersgetalle wat so afneem… ons super rugby spanne (behalwe die lions) speel sulke boring rugby dat dit niemand behoort te verras nie… voeg daarby ‘n super rugby kompetisie wat lankal nie meer super is nie en ‘n uiters afgewaterde curriebeker reeks en jy het ‘n fiasko! Die varsity cup was baie aantreklik tot die sirkus met die protes aksie… snaaks genoeg was die varsity cup kompetisie nie ‘n SARU kompetisie nie… Dalk is dit juis die rede hoekom dit suksesvol is…
Ons rugby is in die moeilikheid! Dis boring om te kyk en ons seuntjies se helde is deesdae all blacks… die goeie ou dae is verby… ek myself kyk graag all black rugby bloot omdat hulle nie vergeet het waaroor rugby gaan nie… ons het wel vergeet… en jammer om te sê SARU word ook maar deur amateurs gerun…
@Scrum5: I don’t see many of WP CW players staying. Maybe 6. There’s a serious issue in management…..a union that has consumed itself in time. Amateurs running a professional outfit.
So die seuns hier in die kaap will almal garsies toe gaan? Hulle weet nie eers waar gauteng is nie never mind garsies….. Nee dit klink te goed om waar te wees. Ek weet garsies het baie verbeter maar kom ons wees eerlik hulle het nog nie eers Affies of waterkloof se reputasie as rugby skool nie. Wat nog van PRG, Boland, Bios, Gim, SACS, Bishops, Rondebosch…..die kinders hier op laeskool sal nie eers weet garsies is ‘n skool nie. Hulle dink nog as hulle deur die Hugenote tonnel ry moet jy paspoort wys.
@Gungets Tuft: He went for rugby and that was it. Bader has provincial colors for cricket, rugby, hokkey , judo, wrestling and golf. In fact his dad wanted him to go into golf but he loves rugby.
@McCulleys Workshop: You might be right it was middle under 15 or 16. Well his dad is a friend of mine and he use to wrestle with my boys so unless they lied…
@Scrum5: And that is why WP wont win anything at senior level..Bunch of amateurs in charge with no idea how to run a professional setup and think they can run a professional business entity like your local club, because that is where all their experience comes from! .. .they depend on the brilliance of their junior players to shine the light for WP!..after u/21 the wheels come off big time!
At yesterday’s opening ceremony of the u/13 and u/16 weeks a member of the WP Executive made a speech that included the following statement – Parents please send your kids after school to the Union where he went to school!!, Be careful for unscrupolous agents who is in it for the financial gain only!! My response to that is wake up and smell the roses sir you are out of touch with professional rugby and maybe.the loss of loosing 3 top players of Paarl Boys to the Lions are still shocking the WP fraternity
My question to this gentleman is if you get offered a better opportunity in you professional career are you going to turn it down. Statements like that must surely motivate agents to not do business with WP.
@Gungets Tuft: The comment was styled around Union involvement. Why does it stand to reason that he had a sponsor? Has it dawned on you that his parents certainly didn’t require a sponsor and there where other reasons they moved him?
@McCulleys Workshop: Can’t see the Sharks ponying up R200k a year for House when they could send the kid to Glenwood for less that 1/2 that, and have him in Durban. So it stands to reason he had a sponsor linked to House, one way or another. What were his matric results like, maybe he had an academic bursary.
@Stier: Kan bevestig Bulle het nog nooit ‘n sent aan Garsies betaal nie. Daarom dat meeste Garsies na skool na ander provinsies gaan. Mense wat so leuens versprei is natuurlik jaloers omdat die spelers nie na hulle toe gaan nie. En hoe word Kaapse kinders Garsies? Die telefoon en epos is die beginpunt. En dit kom van die ouers af wat beter geleenthede soek vir hul seuns. En nee Garsies se nie vir almal ja nie. Trouens die skool sou vol Kaapse kinders gewees het as vir almal ja gese is.
@Stier: “Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michaelhouse toe”. Do you know that for a fact, or are you speculating, and in speculating, who paid his “vet paket”, Michaelhouse or the Sharks. Secondly he was at PRG until U15.
@Stier: Daai onnie het iets gerook… dis lekker braaivleisvuurkakpraat…
Is nogal interessant hoe hulle daarbo opeindig… dis soos colonel sanders se resep… n moerse geheim!
Geluk, ek hoor die boland grant khomo span het vanmiddag die wp gepiets in wat my spioene sê ‘n baie goeie game was! WP lyf julle lag-lag in by hulle as dit so gaan…
@Rugbyman: Sorry ek het gedink hulle kry ook. ‘n onnie van een van die skole daar bo het vir my gese hulle en ander kry geld van die Bulle. Hy het Garsfontein genoem maar dit wys jou niemand weet regtig wat aangaan nie. Dit is tog interresant hoe die kaapse kinders daar in julle skole beland.
WP is very close to being able to select teams under 16 and higher on merit. At the under 13 it is not the case. It was interesting to notice the huge difference between the boys from the “plateland and northern suburbs” compared to the southern subberbs. The first two were more white and the last more mixed. In the first game the plateland region team beat the south 15 tries to 1.
Another thing to consider is “black and coloured” if I my call it so. If so called “coloured” kids count as qouta players then the WP is fine but if the qouta system only apply to “black” kids as I understand it even WP will be in big trouble.
@Stier: Yes the system is flawed. You can’t force kids to enjoy a sport. I don’t care about colour. I want our best to play freely and to excel. Yes it’s easier transition in Cape Town. Although I don’t think it’s transition. Most of the time it’s players making it on merit. But as we’ve seen in a few selections our best player in a position or 2 is relegated to AW for quota sake. But WP could’ve hit quota easily on merit and selected it’s best squad.
@odie15: Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michealhouse toe en sou na skool Sharks toe gaan. Die Sharks teken toe vir Bosch en Bader vat toe eerder ‘n kontak by die Leeus om te kan speel.
My seun se laerskool het by Marlow teen Florida van JHB gespeel. Baie van hulle seuns was van die Kaap. Ek kom nie glo dat die skole nou al laerskool kinders koop nie.
Die kwota ding maak dit moeilik vir die unies wat nie ‘n swart rugby kiltuur het nie. Van onder 12 rugby is daar nou kwota en volgende jaar moet albei onder dertien toernooie se spanne 50/50 wees. Die unies daar bo gaan pakslae vat tensy hulle laerskool kinders koop van die kaap en oos kaap. Die kinders betaal op die on end die prys vir ‘n belaglik sisteem wat deur ons regering op die unies gedwing word. Ek se weer, die regering moet help dat meer skole sport beoefen en dat daar goeie afrigting is, dan hoef niemand laerskool kinders 1500km van hulle ouers te pos nie.
Ek sal ‘n voorspelling waag, binne die volgende vyf jaar gaan HTS Drosdy een van die top tien of dalk top rugby skool in ons land wees. Nou dat die Bulle en Boland, brannas en wyn mix gaan die Bulle minder geld vir Garsfontein ens. gee en meer gekleurde spelers hier naby hulle gesinne in die kaap hou. Ek dink wel ‘n beurs by Drosdy gaan ‘n kind horings gee?
Ek dink by craven week moet die unies toe gelaat word om te praat baklei en teken soos hulle will. Rugby is nou profesioneel en soos enige werk kan ek kies of ek by Mazda Ford of Toyota will vloere was. Die kinders weet die sport is na skool ‘n werk en hulle moet dit so aanvaar of hulle moet ‘n emmer en mop aanskaf.
Ek dink egter dat op skool moet kinders toegang he tot goeie rugby skole so na as moontlik aan hulle ouer huise. Kinders moenie 1500km van hulle ouers af bly net omdat die regering kwota spanne soek nie.
@BoishaaiPa: yes you are correct. I was saying that as far as I know those players being discussed received offers late. And yes it’s extremely true…..in game time. Most of this u19 group won’t see a Senior contract. So landing game time is biggest commodity for any player.
@BoishaaiPa: Schoolboy “contracts” will be a thing of the past in 2 prominent unions, like you said, not worth the paper it’s written on for the unions. But cuts both ways, no more carrot for the fat agent to get a player signed up early as well. More of an open market at u18 level, if you like
@odie15: The most valuable thing a union can offer a young player is game time in my opinion. Couple of R000 here or there should be less of an attraction than game time. a Player and his agent must look at the unions whole setup and look at the possible “pecking order” and chances of getting through the system to the top team. The no of contracted players also plays a huge role. Thus unions like the Lions and Cheetahs will in future become more viable options for young players as they seek more game time than R’s….Look what happend at the Bulls couple of years ago…they had so many centers some of them never got to play..and still dont play!…
@odie15: I dont know all the legal technicalities around schoolboy “contracts” but last years group only went after school and three current squad members will only be going next year when they have finished school. So I dont see the “poaching” angle. What went on between different unions within the timeframe while they are still at school is neither here nor there as I believe those contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. Its the prof era and unions with the best offers and options will attract the better players.
@BoishaaiPa: Ek het nou self gewonder of daar enige band tussen HJS en die Leeus is agv top HJS spelers wat Leeus toe skuif(die laaste twee jaar indien die gerugte wel waar is). Dit beantwoord dan my vraag! Opgewonde om te sien dat die Leeus sterk oppad is om die algemene dominering van die WP en Bulle op o19 vlak bietjie te verander! Ook bly vir die spelers! Die Leeus is defnitief op die regte pad op verskeie vlakke volgens my.
@Muzi: There is a big difference…There is no poaching going on as these players all went AFTER school..not during as with most of the WC purchases by the Bulls!…They received legit offers and contracts from the Lions…There is also a very strong link between the Lions and Paarl Boys as the Lions’s Vice President and one of their financial contributors is a Paarl Boys Old Boy…
@BotherBear: Great thanks. I missed that game but saw the pics and heard he showed some heart in that game. Looking forward to seeing him in action in the next Helpmekaar vs. Garsfontein game.
@BrotherBear: Yes correct about Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar. He and the Bulls fly Charles Goedhals (also U17) seem to have a spacial rivalry these last few years so whenever they meet it turns out to be a great contest.
Oosthuizen is indeed the Helpie regular fly and still U17. Take into account that the AW fly is also U17 Luke Rossouw from Monnas so it will be interesting to see how he does at the AW.
If you consider their respective scrumhalves both those guys are also Lions with Tinus Combrinck of Monnas playing CW already this year and Ruhan Viviers playing Academy Week this year. Both of those are U17 as well. In the match between Helpies and Monnas they went head to head and I thought the Helpies duo were one up over their Monnas counterparts at that stage, but the selectors thought differently during provincial selections this year. 2017 should be an interesting year for these boys competing for that CW #9 and #10 jerseys and should be one of the exciting battles of next season.
@Quagga: Yes, excellent news w.r.t. Tristan Oosthuizen. Shows you that a good man will somehow come through. I believe he is also still U/17 and is the regular Helpmekaar fly half. He was also unlucky last year to not make the GK team, but did well at the Academy week and was selected as part of the Noordvaal team that toured Ireland (accompanied by two Helpmekaar team mates: Tommy van Tonder and Liam van den Berg). Helpmekaar must be super proud of him.
Bees, from Garsfontein, was the best forward at the tournament. He is U/19, and although very physical I love his approach to the game. Hard as nails but you always detect some form of a smile.
I see the lions have been poaching players from Paarl Boys High interesting….I bet you R100 bucks if those boys were going to the Bulls in 2017 Gery Smal would be moaning in the newspapers again.
@Greenman: Sharks had to pay a huge amount. Lions about R2500 and you have n home tournament. Must say the Lions have been attending many functions and camps sleeping out which is all included in the amount so it seems good value for money.
@Quagga: Baie geluk. He was also motm on Monday in their 1st game.
@BrotherBear: @Riempies: @Rob: Tristan Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar was named the backline player of the tournament at the PUK U19 week. Bulls beat the Lions in the unofficial final.
@h2o: Must say that I do find the KZN teams or Sharks well short of looking like a professional side as far as presentation is concerned. Saturday was no exception. I am not sure who has, if any, the money but the parents also contribute R6000 towards kit.
The Lions on the other side looks the part and always has.
@Hooit: @Quagga: It was the same issue last year where the parents or a parent had to supply the blazers for the CW side otherwise they had to go in their tracksuit tops. At the capping ceremony it was also made clear that all provincial school sides would be known as Sharks Schools. The teams have been finalized but due to some injuries they have brought boys in to fill. So far I am only aware of Glover in the AW being injured and withdrawn. The Westville lock was brought in and Duran moved to 8. The u12A team had Sharks on the chest but the u12B team had the old KZN schools emblem in Vryheid. It was also a eye opener seeing a Bulls u12 side who had participated in 2 tournaments and 20+ practices playing against a Sharks team who had 5 practice sessions behind them. The same old story with the Sharks schools at CW battling day 1 and only start firing on game 2 and 3…….
@Hooit: @h2o: @Greenman: Last week at the u12 tournament in Vryheid the official from the Sharks made a speech at the opening announcing that ALL teams representing the Sharks would in future play as the Sharks and no longer as KZN yet Saturday at Loftus the AW team was introduced as KZN again.
@Quagga: 6 is Jonathan O Neil( Glenwood) and 10 Francke Botha (Glenwood). He was injured at the time of final trials. 13 is Jc Conradie (Glenwood). Not sure who played 8 on the day
@Greenman: None of the Sharks players on Saterday were wearing Sharks clothing. They all had their school tracksuits on and played in their school rugby socks. So for me it seemed like the teams were not finalised yet. Maybe they used the day as part of their trials.
Results from the under 13 week in Sasolburg. WP wou eers ontrek omdat net hulle hulle span op 11/11 kwota gekies het die toernooi verlang net 4/18 verdeeling maar sal van volgende jaar ook 11/11 vir all die unies wees.
I noticed many positional changes, new additions to CW (obviously pulled up from AW) and AW. What I did not see was a non traveling reserve list where these add ons were communicated. I am not sure how many new additions there were for Sharks. Is it now a case of whose available that stay nearest which so happened to be my son’s brother?
@Hooit: @Brotherbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.
@Hooit: @Broterbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.
@akw: He is in grade 11 and just turned 17, he is still learning his trade. 2017 will be the year he comes to the fore. This year is a big learning curve for him.
@hooit: w.r.t. Scrums going up, I believe you referring to CW side. Old problem with the no 1 prop (see his name appears on the “selected” list). He will have to work on staying straight – even when he dominates.
AW side had one heel against the head to their benefit – cudos to good scrumming. In line-outs no 4 jumper was not as effective and most of the throws then went to 2 (100 % on 8 throws). KZN forwards impact was whilst running hard at Lions backline. With one man down for most of the match, the dam wall then broke a few times. In general the team is very good but did not perform on day, with a few players better than those in CW. Coaching has already shown improvements. CW side has the potential to be unbeaten in Durban. Very good balance and some game breakers front and back. Defense for both teams NNB.
@BrotherBear: Aw 13 and 15 should offload/pass more agree. Must say 13 is a very good runner with the ball but had another player next to him in a better position often. 15 is a very strong runner with the ball. 2 of his chip kicks did not work but could have. However a big problem is that once the ball is passed to a wing or fullback the other backline players return in order to be in position for the next attack and does not run a support line on the inside. I thought the AW scrums and lineouts were below par. They scored from our missed throws and the scrums mostly went up. In the second half the Sharks forwards dominated the Lions forwards in all areas. Best forward for me was the hooker.
@Greenman: and every day cannot be a brilliant day for every player – granted.
True tests coming up in youth weeks – PUK started today.
Some players take longer to adjust in new structures and then fire exceptionally well (thinking players should not over-think).
The Lions CW team is vulnerable against pace out wide. Time and again the Griffons 9 and 12 attacked the outside channels and found space there. One or two passes inside and there is no cover defense.
Lions 13 and 15 very good ball in hand.
I am sorry Hopper but the very large Kzn lock should contribute much more in the tight loose. With his size he could deliver the same as Skelton does for the Aussies, but it was not on display.
The BB CW side was very dominant in the first half, running up a 31-10 lead but they removed their 3 at half time and the replacement got badly beaten.
I might be parochial but the best player on display was the rangy 19 in the BB CW side, whether at lock during the first half or at flank during the second half he played brilliant rugby.
I understand the defense for both CW and AW Lions teams were at times shocking. PUK team performed much better. Well deserved win.
@Hooit: my understanding of general rugby is that you only keep running with ball in hand if you in better position than team mate OR if you cannot put them in better position. Both no 13 and 15 in AW team did NOT do that. Especially 9, 10, centres and fullback need to create space. Wandisile did it well for CW team but no 10 CW very poor. Many times the forwards had good supporting lines, but backline player wants to go all on their own. TRUST is lacking from some players in both teams. Thought the no 2 in AW played very well, as well as the 8th man (who stood in as lock). They were a shining light in line-outs as well. Both CW and AW scrums were very good. Both teams extremely dangerous with ball in hand, BUT then it needs to move to open payers. Defense defense defense.
@Riempies: Stem saam. Ek dink die AW span se wedstryd was meer fisies as die CW span se game. Die 14 man het begin wys op die einde. Net te veel gate en mus tackles. Coach het bietjie erg geklink vir ons as toeskouers.
@Hooit: Was nou nie juis die Leeus AK se beste match nie. Ja die rooi kaart het hulle geen guns gedoen nie en het veroorsaak dat daar in 2de Helfte baie gate was. Ek dink as hulle die bal meer laat loop het sou dit n ander telling gewees het. Hulle kan nie net bal tot by senters laat gaan nie. Op meer as een geleentheid moes die bal net buite of binnetoe aangegee geword het en dit was punte. Afrigter kan ook nie die heletyd tydens die wedstryd vir spelers skree wat om te doen nie. Rig voor wedstryd af. Dit maak hulle net deurmekaar en veroorsaak dat die spelers nie hul eie sterkpunte kan speel nie. As afrigter maak jy hulle net deurmekaar. . Dan wat CW span betref hulle hulle n goeie wedstryd gehad. Die enigste kommer was dat hulle soms gesukkel het op verdediging. Griffons toegelaat om terug in game te kom. Buiten dit was hulle goed. Wel gedaan aan al die seuns wat in die twee spanne gespeel het. Hoop om groot verbeteringe te sien op CW.
@Quagga: Ek het op n ander post gesê na die Leeus vs Luiperds dat die Leeus akademie haker die flanke geklop het na die afbreek punte toe. Ek sien hy het Saterdag n kans op flank ook gekry. Daar is nog altyd gese n goeie haker is die 4de losvoorspeler. Net jammer vir hul rooikaart wat n geel moes wees. Leeus 13 en 15 ook n goeie game gehad. Sal kyk vir daai vleisie by Kearsney
@Hooit: Dalk sal dit lekker wees om eendag om ‘n braaivleis vuur te praat oor die werklike koste van ontwikkeling. Verlede jaar die som gemaak (maar nooit my vrou vertel nie )
The best rugby played on Saturday came from the BB GK side, their attacking play from deep was a thing of beauty and the fact that the same coach also coaches the Garsfontein 1st XV backline makes me believe the man has some serious coaching chops.
@Hooit: Money and development should never go hand in hand. Its the effort that we as parents put into the development of their child’s skills, mental attitude, discipline and attitude that will or rather should be determining factor.
Schools are merely a continuation / extension of the effort of a parent into his child’s development.
Further the figures mentioned is actually scary when seeing from a school such as where I used to be involved extensively as a parent.
So many parents chase and horse trade their sons to be in a big name environment when going to High School. My philosophy has always been if you good enough you will be able to come through the system doesn’t matter in what school you are.
As long as the school has systems in place from a coaching, development and opportunity point of view.
I never understood why, when we have an SA under 20 side, we have a local under 19 Currie Cup. Clubs start from u/20, and so do varsities. My view has been to scrap u/19 CC altogether – which I’ll admit was extreme considering how much of a mess our club rugby is. As a compromise, make the u/19 CC an u/20 competition instead. Post the CC, select a SA u20 side. That side to tour with the Boks in November – get a test or two against the 6N sides, and 2 more weekday games against clubs.
As good an idea as having a Tri Nations for u20s – an idea I support – is that we have varsity cup which runs from Feb to May. My way around is to make the Young Guns VC strictly u19 so as to free up some 20 year olds. You will of course have a handful of 19 year olds in contention for Baby Bok honours. This is where VC would need to serve it’s greater purpose as a feeder, and not just a competition.
@Hooit: to me the game changers are the attitude of the player, emotional support from those around him and exposure that a school ( or club) can provide, given that the talent is there. You don’t need R30k to be successful. A lot of that money goes to things that don’t directly impact success, but are nice to have’s. Medical could be a game changer – especially if serious injuries are encountered and need to be addressed for future success. A lot of that money also goes to support group logistics (travel, accommodation, etc.) nice to do, but not crucial.
Good question is also: “what is the minimum spend required to be successful?”, but we will have to make a few assumptions.
@Hooit: Like in any sport a child needs exposure and competition against the best to be able to develop to their full potential. In tennis and golf which is a more individual sport, you can forget that a kid from nowhere or with little exposure will make it in the pro ranks. You need to invest in their future by giving them top coaching, opportunities to compete etc.
In rugby maybe not so much, but there you need the opportunity to be spotted to get selected for a team. I dont think the amount of what you spend is directly correlated to the success a child might have in rugby. It is much more about getting the opportunities and being in the right team at the right time..and of course that you have the abilities and skills. Parents can spend as much as they like in any given sport , but if little Johnny doesnt have the basic skill set, abilities or drive, they wont succeed, no matter what you spend.
Next question is will the current players still be the best if all rugby parents can ‘invest’ R30 000 in their child or will the current players still be as good if their parents could not ‘invest’ more than R5 000 in their child?
@Hooit: the Noordvaal Large Schools tend to travel a bit more and further, so add another R5k. Range is probably R25k to R35k. I know some boys have high performance training (private and SARU), which can easily add R20k.
@AbsolutMenlo: thank you for the congrats.
No U/16 GK players, but there are 7 players in the U/16 Academy teams. We are equally proud of them as well as the 2 players in the U/19 PUK team (Luwan Ludick and Tristan Oosthuizen).
The “other forces” still have quite a strong influence – hehehe. As you will know our U/16 group have not performed that well, which will influence individual players.
What will the estimate costs be to get 1 high school A team and provincial player through 1 year of rugby? R25 000 to R 30 000?. Petrol, gear, match day family food costs, tours, fees, medical expenses?
Congratulations to the following Helpmekaar u/18 players, capped as Lions last night:
Craven
6 – Mark Snyman
7 – Tiaan Stoltz
14 – David Cary
15 – Chuiner van Rooyen
Academy
2 – Daemon Venter
8 – Liam van den Berg
9 – Ruhan Viviers
12 – Zandre Kruger
13 – Keegan Haman
Well deserved boys. Proud to be a member of the Helpmekaar family, entering a new era.
I am certain each of you will excel – just remember to enjoy the journey.
@MikeSt: Kyk, as jy Saterdag op Loftus is kan jy darem paar lekker games sien. Sal moeilik wees om te kies tussen sommige wedstryde wat selfde tyd is. Sien al daar gaan so paar manne soos afkop hoenders tussen die velde rondhol!
Stadion (A-veld)
09:00 Luiperds CW vs Limpopo CW
10:10 Griffons CW vs Leeus CW
11:20 Valke O/18 Cravenweek vs Pumas CW
12:30 Vrystaat CW vs Blou Bulle AK
13:40 Bulle CW vs KZN CW
B-veld
08:30 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
09:40 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
09:50 Enrista Polisie vs Naka Bulle
11:00 Enrista Centurion vs Tukkies
12:10 Enrista Dragons vs Innercity
13:20 Leeus NWU/PUK vs Valke O/18-Akademie (Stedelik/Rooi)
• C-veld
09:00 Enrista Harlequins vs TUT
10:10 Eye of the Tiger vs Valke AK O/18 (Platteland/Blou)
11:20 Leeus AK vs KZN AK
12:30 Limpopo GK vs Valke O/16 (Stedelik/Rooi)
D-veld
09:00 KZN GK vs Griffons GK
10:10 Blou Bulle GK vs Valke O/16-Grant Khomo
11:20 Leeus GK vs Pumas GK
12:30 Vrystaat GK vs Luiperds GK
Die Bondedag se bepalings is:
09:00: Luiperds t. Limpopo Blou Bulle;
10:10: Griffons t. Goue Leeus;
11:20: Valke t. Pumas;
12:30: Vrystaat t. Blou Bulle Akademie;
13:40: Blou Bulle t. KwaZulu-Natal.
@MikeSt: you are correct – assuming good player skills and fitness, the combinations will be crucial. Have seen no 10 play a few times and am impressed with his alround ability. Needs to be tested against fast loosie defense though. Great stepping in one on one and will almost always beat his man. Will also see how it goes against well co-ordinated defense.
WP to run away with CW again this year. The total package within the WP area is just on a different level compared to other unions.
Valke will determine their week with the 1st game against FS which i think will be a close affair.
Valke has some game breakers in their team and the 9/10 pairing will be the determining factor on the way the team performs. They are both brilliant players and should be watched out for for the future.
Solid pack of forwards just concerned on what will be going on in the rest of the back line.
@Hooit: I think if you are as big as he is at 17, it’s hard not to get recognised and touted for big things. He must remain grounded (which I am sure he will). I do remember him having Paul Willemse as his icon/hero, surely moving in his footsteps….hopefully not to France though…
@BrotherBear: I wont read too much into these early fixtures results. That tournament was used as final trails (for WP at least). Last year SWD beat WP by a point or two in Riversdale at the same tourno and also beat EP while EP ran WP close as well. We all know what happend at Cravenweek a few weeks later…EP beat SWD 41-31 and WP in turn ran away with EP. The reverse could happen this year..all depends of situation on the day,
@BrotherBear: A very nice boy. Chatted to him briefly at Monnas. My comment was for hopper. Like I said previously my son has been playing against him for years. He is very well respected and a big rugby star in the making. Not sure if he likes the hype about him. Seems like a quiet down to earth type of person. Does anybody know if he will be playing for the Sharks on Saterday?
Thanks @BoishaaiPa, was not sure. So the 2 Grey’s can claim a province each. The usual contenders in the mix, then. Was surprised by SWD result against WP! But a bit more coaching and game time will set them up with the rest.
@Hooit: hehehehe. Hear he is a pleasant chap though. Believe his dad also on the blog.
Did a quick analysis to determine the representation of top 20 schools in provincial teams, according to latest BHP 1st team rankings (I list them with ranking in descending order coupled to province):
WP – 1, 2, 9, 15, 16
FS – 3
BB – 4, 20
KZN – 5, 17
LION – 6, 13, 14
SWD – 7, 19
Valke – 8
EC – 10, 11, 12 ?
NC – 18
Not considering no of players from each school in teams, it seems as if WP clear favourites in u18 Teams. Lions and EC have next best “spread”. Although it is only a perspective, it does indicate the quality of depth available.
@BoishaaiPa: WP have to be the firm favorite by a country mile based on their mix and history. I think teams will be fighting NOT to meet them in the ‘final’ and rather send in EP again for that one Seriously, the Blue Bulls were the pick of the bunch up here so far but we will see on Saturday what the GL vs. Sharks tell us. Free State is also a dark horse at this stage. Going to be exciting down there at one of the most beautiful schools in the country.
@Riempies: Daai opskrif is meer n vraag van Beet as iets anders..dis darem nie deur n WP fan of Ploegie geskryf nie!..Net omdat mens nie or n span praat nie, beteken nie mens weet nie van hulle nie!..Die Lions is defnitief op WP se radar…glo my vry!
@Riempies: yes, thanks for the comment on my son. His academics have always been a priority. But then, the Helpmekaar success rate has always been exceptional.
@BoishaaiPa: Wel ek lees nogal al die komentaar op al die verskillende areas. WP- Craven 2016 Champions elect! Dan ook kommentaar daaruit KZN en Bloubull areas. Nog nie een van hulle gesien(mag dalk verkeerd wees) wat n groot bohaai oor die Lions opskop nie. Hoor ook nie van sogenaamde sterre in die spanne nie! So ja! Dan neem ek maar aan dat hulle nie as gunstellinge van enige aard gesien word nie! Net omdat groot gros van hulle uit Monnas, Helpmekaar en Jeppe kom maak hulle nou skielik gunstelling nie?! Of Hoe?
@Riempies: Why do you think the Lions will be surprise package?..The rest of us can see they will be one of the favorites as the team consists mainly of Monnas, Helpies and Jeppe players and all three schools are doing very well this season. I will only be surprised if they do not make the final or loose one of their midweek games.
@BrotherBear: Survived the HD tour with lots of fluid and headache tablets Nice cold mornings but scenic routes in lovely Tzaneen.
Looking forward to this weekend rugby. I know the boys have trained extremely hard in the training camps the past weekend. They all seem very positive and I believe the Lions is going o be the surprise package of the two CW and AW. Bear congratulation on you son too. I do believe I now know who you are @quagga good luck with the under 12’s. Know your son will make you proud. Hopefully see you all Wednesday evening at Ellispark.
@Quagga: yes..The WC, SWD and EC have their own u/12 week. Been going for a while now. It use to be in Mosselbay but I think it moved to Riversdale now. Players like Notshe and Jan Serfontein I saw in Mosselbay many years ago.
@Riempies: Looking forward to the games at Loftus this Saturday. What do they call it, Unions Day? Last year we were treated to some good quality rugby in Sasolburg at the same event, hosted by Valke. Heading down to Vryheid first later on this week for the under-12 week. See the WC and SC teams not in attendance there, wonder if they do their own thing at u12 level?
@Greenman, @Riempies: According to newspaper the BB CW playing Sharks and Lions CW playing Griffons. Lions AW playing Sharks AW (but nothing on paper yet).
@Riempies: did you survive the cold on your Harley tour? Hear you guys had some “maninge” fun. ;-)
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: thanks and on which channel? I can’t seem to find it on my channels?
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Is that a joke hehehe….bootsnall been off air almost 8 months now!
@onestripe: I think tomorrow night live and exclusive on ‘Boots and All’…….(as if everyone in SA has got DSTV…..)
Anyone know when and where the SA schools and SA ‘A’ TEAM are being announced?
@BOG: Dink jy Atter is die regte man vir die ‘job’?
@BoishaaiPa: Jy het my ( ) haakies misgekyk, sekerlik n “ongelukkie”, maar nogtans. Wonder hoeveel van die uit die “sentrale streek” was vanuit die WC as koshuisgangers? En as jy weer in Bloemfontein kom, daar waar die stront in n rioolplaas verwerk word en nie in die see gepomp word nie, vra iemand om vir jou te se hoeveel Springbokke deur van die “ander” skole in die stad, al opgelewer is?
@BOG: Jy sien , daar is meer as een skool in die ander streke wat moet kompeteer vir goeie rugbyspelers…Maar as jy wil weet watter streek die meeste Springbokke opgelewer het sedert WW2 antwoord ek jou graag…Dit was Weskaap, Met Gauteng op hulle hakke en die Vlaktes n verre derde!…
WC 166
Gauteng 165
Central 114
EP/Border 81
KZN 49
@BoishaaiPa: yeah apparently 30 CW players per school…..So in winelands alone we have 120 CW players. Who knew?
My gevoel, eerder ‘n gemiddelde on in ‘n top skool, as ‘n goeie ou in ‘n gemiddelde skool. Want na skool gaan jy die goeie ouens moet kan vat as jy wil bo uit kom.
@Hooit: You just made a very important point. We can say what we like on this blog but ask the boys they will tell you who is good and who is not.
@Hooit: Daai donkies kom na vore na 0/20 rugby…..wanneer al die Flashes verdwyn
@BoishaaiPa: Dit is waarom ek daar weg is net na skool. Wat wel oorgebly het is goeie mensemateriaal. Die minder goeies is Kaap toe. Soos jy weet, het ek self probeer, en na vele jare, sukkel ek steeds met die gevolge daarvan. Watter streek (skool)het nou weer die meeste Springbokke sedert die Tweede wereldoorlog opgelewer?
I do think players who are not always ‘flash’ gets overlooked. Good example is Moerat. No flashy running but works hard where he should. My son tells me Moerat is not overrated and hard as nails from his own experience. Wonder if they drop all the ‘donkeys’ from the teams how well the flash players will look.
Team gets announced on Wednesday if my info is correct.
@BOG: Nog steeds beter as enige ander plek in SA…veral die vlaktes waar daar nou net stof en plastieksakke is en pokkol teerpaaie..pokkol water…pokkol mielies…pokkol rugby talent ook nou lyk dit my!
@BoishaaiPa: Jammer, het ek die hoeveelheid riool verkeerd? Het dit van 67 ton pd toegeneem? Of is die weer van Junie tot Augustus nie regtig mooi? Of plant hulle nou mielies daar?
@odie15: The numbers that gets thrown around doesn’t add up in the end. If you add up all the CW players going to top schools you must have at least 100 per province!
@BoishaaiPa: we are talking about players going to schools. I don’t know what people are on about. As far as I know WP and Boland select 50 players each. That’s 100 boys. Now PRG 300, Boishaai 200, GIM 100 and Landbou 80. I believe those figures are about max each school takes in a year. So what is everyone on about. Quite a few of the boys are u13A players who weren’t spotted in grade 7. Chose a top school and applied…..we talking 2000 applications per school. Why wouldn’t you as a school take boys who happened to excel at rugby. I know they expect students to do well at school it’s a given there and they rank highly in academics as well. In life if you get left behind in anything it’s difficult to catch up. But why blame someone else for your apathy.
@MikeSt: Mens moet ook onthou dat daai outjie wat B of C span speel sou miskien vir n ander skool A span speel..maar sou hy die CW of AW span haal bo die speler in die ander skool wat in elk geval bokant hom in dieslfde skool sou speel?..Ek dink die wet van gemiddeldes sal die goeie speler nog steeds bo laat uitkom..maak nie regtig saak in watter skool hy was nie. Fokus en harde werk sal vrugte afwerp.
@MikeSt: dit net die blou bulle wat so useless talent spotters het wat 50 seuns kontakteer.Wie doen die scouting?dit lag wekkend om so groot groep te akkoomdeer en almal en hulle ouers gelukkig te hou
@Speartackle: ek dink hy het maar jy sal hom seker nog kan onthou toe Helpmekaar@Monument gespeel het.Ek het telling vergeet maar hy het nogal n mean game gehad
@BoishaaiPa: Stem saam kinders gaan uit eie wil na groot of meer sigbare skole toe.
dit is egter deel van die probleem want baie seuns word uit die sisteem gehaal onbewustelik en ontwikkel nie optimaal nie want hy bevind hom in n B of C span. party skole werf 20 – 30 Cravenweek u13 spelers. Wat word van hulle erens moet 50% vn hulle verdwyn
Dieselfde gebeur met unies na skool wat 40 en 50 manne opraap en dan 2 jaar later is die outjies gone met n handtjievol wat oorbly.
Klubrugby is so n gemors deesdae dat hulle sommer heeltemal ophou speel en verlore raak.
@robbie: HHH dink ek het amper soveel springbok rugby spelers al opgelewer as Affies. HHH en Strand se probleem is die skole het oor die algemeen verval en nou trek selfs PV en Somerset College in Somerset meer van die Strand se top kinders.
Dit is ‘n groot probleem maar dit gaan oor meer as net die rugby. Eers gaan die ander dinge en dan val die rugby en ander sport. Vraag is hoe verander mens dit?
@Speartackle: Jy weer kakpraat pille gedrink vanoggend en n dubbele dosis vir Bog ook ingeja?…
@robbie: Soos voorheen genoem..Daar moenie vinger gewys word na die “Big 4” omdat hulle kwansuis die kinders stroop nie..Kinders gaan 90% van die tyd uit hulle eie wil soontoe omdat die skole op hoogte gebly het en pro-aktief was….die vraag moet eerder gevra word hoekom het die res van die skole toegelaat dat hulle rugby so agteruit gaan?..Dit het oor n lang tydperk plaasgevind omrede die meeste skole net terug gesit het en gedink het niks gaan verander nie en hulle is verseker van hulle voeder bronne.. .Dis maklik om ander die skuld te gee, maar daar moet ook eers voor jou eie deur gevee word.
@Djou: Soos jy se ek hoop dit is die laaste. Nee dit is nie af kraak nie, dit is net met julle verskil oor iets wat julle en ander skole in gauteng doen. Ek stem nie met baie dinge saam wat by baie skole gedoen word nie maar dit beteken nie ek kraak hulle af as ek met hulle verskil oor iets nie.
As jy jou skool iets sien doen wat jy dink hulle nie moet doen nie en jy se dit vir hulle , kraak jy hulle dan af? Nee, mens praat daaroor en elkeen stel sy kant. As julle steeds verskil dan is dit nou maar so. Maar om ‘n persoon te skel en sleg te se net omdat hy ‘n ander opinie het is onnodig? Ek het nooit die skool of afrigters of blogers sleg gese nie. Ek is wel ‘n paar dinge genoem, selfs nadat ek verskoning gevra het vir ‘n verkeerde stelling.
Stem saam oor akademie. Dit ia hartseer om te sien hoe skole uit die “ou dae” in werklikheid verdwyn het as rugbykragte. Dae toe wedstryde in die WK teen JJ Du Preez, JG Meiring, Strand, HHH om net ‘n paar te noem moeilike wedstryde was. Min mense onthou dat HHH in die sestigs interskole gespeel het teen PR. Die noordelike voorstede se gehalte het drasties gedaal. Stellies werk aan hulle rugby, maar die res is verdoem tot B liga rugby grootliks omdat hulle spelers gestroop word deur die BIG 4 op die platteland. Ek het nie ‘n oplossing daarvoor nie, maar dit gaan rugby doodmaak in die streke.
@Speartackle: Die natuurskoon? Wingerdstokke, koppies en plakkertskampe. En hulle is op hulle mooiste van Junie tot Augustus. Ideale weer vir Bikini Beach in Gordonsbaai. Ai, nou vergeet ek amper van die geurige en aromaryke duikgeleenthede tussen die 67 metrieke ton rou riool wat daagliks daar in die see gepomp word. Jy vang nou currysnoek- soos die karp in die Hennopsrivier.
@robbie: Probleem is dat jy moet n fyn ogie op die akademie hou, want almal gaan beslis nie n lewe uit rugby kan maak nie, so jy kan nie n goeie rugbyspeler by jou skool aanvaar wat nie akademies ook gemiddeld tot sterk is nie.
Stem saam Calamari, maar dit is uiters negatief vir skolerugby. Gesentreerde kwaliteit werk beslis nie ten goede. Al die aandag op presterende skole terwyl rugby by die kleiner skole kwyn. Tendens al duidelik te sien in WK. Lekker vir die groot skole, maar nie vir skolerugby nie. Wonder hoeveel spelers gaan verlore/ontwikkel nie na wense nie by groot skole wat soveel moontlik spelers invorder om hul status te handhaaf.
@Speartackle: Spies….Paarl en Stellenbosch…..die natuurskoon verbaas my elke keer, vergeet partykeer om op die mooi skolerugby te konsentreer
Enigste lekker plek is daai mooi valleitjie tussen Pniel en Franschoek genaamd Pnoes
@Speartackle: Spies, daardie ongevraagde boodskap was seker nou aan die verkeerde persoon gerig…..?
@Rugbyman: Amen!!!
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Sakkie weet jy wanneer die spanne aangekondig gaan word?
Teen wie speel hulle
Hoop nie dit is alweer daar onder in die Kaap…..seker een van die mislukste plekke om enige sport te speel.
Die weer is crap daar, die rugbyvelde is horing, krieket pitches is oneweredig, golfbane word swak onderhou, tennisbane vol krake, mense is arrogant daar……….en dan het die Paarl ook seker van die swakste restaurante in RSA
@MikeSt: Top talent gaan al hoe meer na die groot unies en skole toe beweeg.
Daar is werklik n handjievol skole wat van 0/14 tot 0/19 vlak jaar in en jaar uit op die top vlak kan kompeteer.
Hierdie krag teen krag verskynsel gaan al hoe meer na vore kom in die volgende 5-7 jaar…
Dit is my beskeie mening.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Irrespective of jy vir die WP, Grens, Valke of EP CD speel en of jy wen of verloor met 30 punte elke seun wat daar opdraf doen dit met trots en iefde vir die spel.
Elke skool elke provinsie is belangrik vir daardie seun. Of hy nou in put sonder water Hoerskool of in Garsfontein of EGJ is maak nie werklik saak vir daardie kind nie. Hulle wil eintlik net speel en dit enjoy.
Opmerking oor die CW die jaar was dat daar baie hoe tellings was so dit kan een van 2 dinge wees minder fokus op die verdediging of dat top talent al meer en meer migreer na n paar unies toe.
@MikeSt: Stem 100% saam! Kom ons wees positief manne. Dit bly skoolseuns wat net hulle rugby wil speel en geniet. Kom ons ondersteun en los ons eie egos by die huis
@Rugbyman: Stem so saam met jou Johan. Dis skokkend wat aangaan op die blog die laaste tyd.
Was regtig nooit so erg in die verlede gewees nie.
Deel van die probleem dink / vermoed ek is dat daar individue is wat in n afbreek kultuur is agv direkte verbintenis met sekere spelers ens en dus die blog gebruik om hulle stellings te maak.
@Rugbyman:
Agree with you absolutely 100%
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari:
We focus to much on politics and the “system” rather to support SBR players.
Groot games die naweek
NHS vs HTS M
Helpies vs Gars
Nuwe seisoen na die vakansie.. 6 weke terug se performances, Craven week prestasies tel vir bittermin nou..peilvak rugby
@Rugbyman: Great thread, Johan.
Thank you for this. I do think we focus too much on structure compared to NZ who focuses a lot on just skills and basics…and the ‘never say die’ attitude and the believe within them, makes them very very very tough to beat.
Good day all… I was out of reception area for a few days… last night I saw this thread and was embarrassed to say the least at what is going on here… What are we busy with? Bashing schoolboys and openly discussing them on a forum like this in a negative manner? Are we the adults? And then we wonder why our rugby is going to waste… read the thread objectively and see what I mean…
We have such wonderful talent in this country… we have our problems and issues yes, but what we are doing is creating an environment not condusive to performance… we are creating a fear of failure! Thats why our teams are scared of playing attacking creative rugby… we are our own domise…
I watched the cravenweek and saw the boys giving it their all… playing their hearts out… made mistakes off course, but tried their best! To be criticised by a bunch of so called adults on an open forum is beyond me…
My name is Johan du Plessis and that has never been a secret
@Vleis: The focus has been around Gianni this year since his impact vs Affies. Great skillset but loses team perspective on occasion. So many cuts between centers and flyhalf doesn’t allow for centers to gel.
@BoishaaiPa: @McCulleys Workshop: a good year again. Puts last year’s team in perspective. Think the big difference for me is 2 players. Cornell Smit at inside center and Ruben de Villiers at lock. Smit is an awesome play maker and space creator Manny missed that this year. The scrummy decision left a bad taste so we won’t know difference he would have made. Hopefully team gets some well earned rest. SA schools selections will be interesting although I am hoping a certain flanker from AW appears on the sheet. Definitely the standout loosy in this year’s schools rugby.
@AffieOuer: the sharks number 6, Crowshaw was also pretty good on the ground IMO. He was a real surprise for me and played well for the sharks.
@Vleis: Purely as a comparison of the two 13s on the day.Sure,neither had a stellar game yesterday,but one had to look at them in a vacuum on a head to head basis.Both made mistakes,both had moments of good play….outplayed is probably not the right word but Ras did have a better game than Simelane.Simelane,did however have a better week than Ras in my view.A bit of a headache for the selectors.
@Affieouer: BB no 6 is very good player and operates under the radar. Typical player to be overseen by selectors if they do not watch carefully. He has a significant impact on the game during rucks and makes.other players look good. Most of the hype around players have too with their running ability. Many players with more all round ability and adaptability easily overlooked or not discussed.
@Vleis: I agree they both had better games before and they were not the key players on the day, but the one did slightly a better job of the 13 position than the other. But we obviously look at things from our own perspective and will always be a little bias towards players we know better.
@Speartackle: naand manne. Ek moet saamstem met mnr Spies. Snyman was baie stil in die game teen WP.
@BoishaaiPa: Those are just the ones I remember. Ras definitely looks dangerous, but simply did not have enough opportunities to display his ample ability yesterday.
I don’t think Ras had a poor game – just not a good one and neither did Simelane. So, I think it is strange that people are highlighting Ras as playing better than Simelane, as neither of them were key contributors on the day. It smacks of people with agendas, or trying to be controversial.
In cricket parlance, it’s like people waxing lyrical over Kirsten making 33 compared to Smith making 32, when others made half tons and tons. Yes, both Kirsten and Smith are great players, but their knocks were not key in the game.
@BrotherBear: JC is a stunning player. I dont believe he is a fetcher, he does not hunt the ball on the ground but plays more to his strengh – to finish. Best fetchers at CW were Serdyn of WP and Du Plessis of Bulls. Both boys are deadly at the breakdown. Serdyn made 3 turnovers in last game in 35 min. Du Plessis made 7 turnovers in 35 min of which 3 directly lead to tries against OVS. I believe it will depend on gameplan of coach who gets selected. Playing in a no 6 jersey does not make you a “fetcher.” Ultimately it will come down to whether they opt for a Heinrich Brossow vs Bobby Skinstad type flanker?
@Vleis: Its easy to identify a players mistakes if you focus on them…I can easily name twice that many that the other 13 did but the game is about what they did right and creating oppertunities..which Ras did better. All players makes mistakes…its about the overall play and on the day Ras was better imo.
@Stier: Ek dink 4×4 het my posisie mooi verduidelik jeens Affies.
Gaan lees maar deur die blog – jy sal dit daar vind.
Oor die afkraak – en ek hoop werklik dit is die laaste hieroor – Garsies neem volgens jou kinders uit hul ouerhuise en vervoer hulle 1500 km ver en sit hulle in ‘n koshuis. Nou as dit goed was dan sou jy nie gekla het nie. Maar jy kla, so dit is sleg. Dus, die skool doen ‘n slegte ding.
Dit is afkraak sou ek sê, net op ‘n subtiele manier deur jou gestel.
I don’t see how anyone can say that Ras outplayed Simelane. If one had played a stellar game then maybe, but both only had decent (but not good) games. Ras was penalised for holding; delivered a forward pass when under no pressure; passed to no-one in the Lion’s 22 and missed the crucial tackle on Simelane that may have changed the game if Simelane had better support.
In short, neither of them had their best day, but Simelane was way better in the first two matches (against very strong opponents in SWD and BB), so he is a nailed on starter for 13. Ras will need to move to 12, or play off the bench.
@boerboel: 10.7! Is that on his bike? Just joking, that is serious speed. I didn’t know he is still that young. Good news for next year, he would have learned a lot at CW.
I know there is still some big games coming this term but I am really looking forward to next years CW team. The GK team made a big tactical error in the first game against Boland. I spoke to one of the boys from PRG and he told me many of the first team players didn’t even get a run on in that game. They were so disappointed, they know they should have done better. Maybe it was a good thing that it happened these boys would have learned from it.
Who do you think will play lock next year? Loosies and backs should be fine. They might not have the same experience as this years players but just as good I think.
@Speartackle: We talking about the CW final Mnr. Spies – hehe.
Watch closely w.r.t. tackles, support runs and ruck contests. Running was limited due to cut-off defense on Green and Simelane. WP knew they do not pass readily. Backline was also standing too flat on attack. WP rucking was very good as was their positional kicking. Their game plan and execution superior to Lions on the day.
@BOG: The terms and conditions of those R63k contracts are ridiculous…worse even for 19 year olds straight out of school.Time will tell if there are a decent number of half talented desperate kids who take these up.
As for the general exodus of players e.g. the 45 departing players – we have talked through this already on this exact thread. No need to get into it again.It’s been discussed to death.There are no new views that will come from revisiting it.
@BrotherBear: Did Snyman play against WP….never saw him
@onestripe: Agree that JC is a very good player and in the run (MOM in 3 games says a lot). Think Mark Snyman from Lions is the complete package in terms of no 6 though. He should have been MOM in Lions 2nd game. I would select both for the 2 teams.
@boerboel: what about JC Pretorius from the Pumas at 6?
@Roger: I cannot think of any reason, and nor could those that mentioned it, think of any reason to bring a player into the team – out if nowhere. Remember that he attended no trials at all. He is not a bad player – that is not the issue. Enough time was available to bring someone from “Joburg”. Drawing someone from AW to CW is totally different story – they actually were in the mix from the start.
@Playa: You are absolutely correct- just a storm in a tea cup. There are no SA rugby players in the NH and the rumour that 45 more are leaving soon, is all in the mind. Millions of highly skilled people are fighting to get into SA and only the corrupt and incompetent are leaving. Now, I wonder why would rugby players at junior level, not do the same?
ted the thread, can I close and we go over to the next? see u thereI star
@BrotherBear: not saying I condone it – I’m sure the coaches had their reasons though. Weren’t there a few boys called from the academy team to the craven week team for yesterday’s game due to injuries? Maybe they were short and he was on stand by? He was always in the mix prior to injury.
Ek gee glad nie om as skole in die binneland spelers uit die Boland en omtrekke werf en hul beter kanse gee wat hulle nie in die WK kan kry nie. As die plaaslike skole nie die talent kan ontwikkel nie, hoekom nie. Dit verbeter ook die rugby in die noorde.
@BrotherBear: surely that cant be allowed. The replacement should have been someone on the bench. they have been playing players out of position the whole week. If not the bench, it should be a non travelling reserve. Concussion allowed enough time for someone to fly in. It will be interesting to see if he is capped. I am sure there is concerned parents whose sons did not make it that will object.su
Venter nr 7 ovs. Also in there. Need a fetcher though
@Stier: muller du plessis 10 .7 oner 100 m. Still grade 11. Real talent
@boerboel: Yes it was a bit strange this year. Maybe they can make up the qoutas on the wing? That being said I don’t think the WP wings was that bad. The 11 didn’t always pass when he could have but still he did OK.
@4×4: Bly om dit te hoor, dit is hoe dit moet wees. Ek het ook ‘n bekommernis oor sommige besluite wat van die skole daarbo neem veral as dit kom by werwing van arm rugby kinders hier in die kaap. Ek geniet en respekteer hulle rugby en skool en veral wat hulle in die laaste vyf jaar vermag het.
@Stier: lack of great wings obvious
@BrotherBear: I think the Lions ten plays a lot like Hennie Le Roux. It won’t surprise me if he is moved to 12 at some stage in his career. I also think the 13 will move to 10 or 15 at some stage.
I don’t think this years CW saw a real standout player, maybe Lombard the WP 15 but I think the boys was much more evenly matched. You can probably select three or four players in some positions and it won’t make a big difference. Because there were very few standouts the selectors is going to get hammered, me thinks.
10 willemse. 9 no idea. 8. Khusane. 7 muller uys. 6 snyman. 5 moerat 4 no idea 3 macbeth. 2 pj. Lions. Jooste 1 eloff
My sa school squad. 15. Lombaard. 14 no idea. 13 ras. 12 lions/vanheyningen 11 muller du plessis
@Vastrap: Boerboel should read the House Rules, and beet should enforce it. Not Hopper’s fault.
@Grasshopper: i have nothing against the podgy kzn lock. What i dont like is somebody with tunnel vision
@Vastrap: if someone attacked you constantly you would react the same way. Boerboel called a good kid fat, I don’t stand back for that sort of infantile comment, maybe others do but I stand for morals & integrity.
@Stier: Djou het niks teen Affies nie, maar hy het wel issue met sekere besluitnemers by Affies en ingelyks met sekere besluite wat in die verlede geneem is.
En meeste van ons het verlief geneem met die Garsies-Affies issue en geniet ons dit om oor en weer die seuns te ondersteun as hulle rugby speel teen ander skole.
@BrotherBear: Welcome to schoolboy rugby politics. It is not the first time that this happened and I can guarantee you that it will not be the last time. Watch and learn. I cannot decide what is more sickening, this state of affairs or the constant infantile bickering of Grasshopper and boerboel.
@Roger: Lions 10 showed that he has some BMT, but needs to set his backline up better. He showed brilliant individual talent, and that is where a weakness lies as well. Both him and 13 tried to much on their own, isolating a lot of other very talented players. That is where the WP flyhalf and Freestate centres did very well (with ball in hand).
So your jested comment on KES player walking into team is a sign of condognment?
@BrotherBear: obviously getting some game time in before Jeppe KES
IMO Lions number 10 shaded the contest yesterday – what do you think?
@Djou: Soos ek reeds gese het ek het Garsies nooit afgekraak nie maar soos ek ook al gevra het wys my waar het ek Garsies afgekraak. Ek wag nog steeds vir jou bewyse. Ek het ‘n verkeerde stelling oor Garsies gemaak en toe verskoning vir my stelling gevra. Die stelling het ook niks negatief op Garsies gewys nie, maar eerder ‘n sisteem gewys waar die BB skole help on kinders in die kaap te werf. Dink jy die BB het so iets gedoen vir anders skole of nie?
So julle het niks teen Affies nie? Is dit wat jy nou se, dink moon want ons kan gaan kyk wat Al op hierdie blog gese is?
As for the ref. Soos jy se die ref het die BB beroof en ek het ook al gese dat die WP te min wyn vir die ref in die finaal gegee het. Dit lyk my net die Leeus weet wat die refs by CW drink?
Gaan kyk die Leeus se eerste drie. ‘n duidelike nek rol ‘n paar fases voor die drie. Dit het reg voor die ref gebeur, oop en bloot, selfs Steve Wonder sou dit kon sien. Spellers wat van die kant inkom by rucks en die scrummie speel of nie agter die laaste voete staan nie. Ek kan nog baie noem dit was baie swak.
@BoishaaiPa: Interesting combination.Ras had a quite week by his standards,but his class showed yesterday.I had immediately relegated Simelane to the bench by the end of yesterday’s game.I would still like to see that FS 12 start together with Ras and experiment with the different combinations between the 3 of them.
On flyhalf – Green at stole my heart.Going into the week,Willemse was my favourite.Green and the Valke 10 pipped him in my view.I had never seen those two play before and they both made my eyes pop
@robbie: Storm in a tea cup I agree.
@Djou: give that man a bells,brave comment op die blog waar die manne gereed staan om almal te slag wat negatiewe kommmentaar oor hul laaities se spanne het.Die ref in daai game het beslis bygedra tot die Bulle se frustrasie & negatiewe spel by tye,in fact, da was heelwat games wa refs,tv refs included, die kluts heeltemal kwyt was.Indien kaptein van span durf waag om vrae te vra was hulle gelooi met beslissings teen hulle.
I think the French move is hyped. Not much, if anything, will come of it.
I think to much is made of the French Selectors. If I intepret the punch up between h2o and Grasshopper correctly if even may be scouts from the Sharks….those wolfs in sheep’s clothes.
Fingers was also pointed at Jake White inferring that he is involved in the scouting issue and his stance was that they are not interested in schoolboys as real development only occur after age 21.
@BoishaaiPa: Agree with you on centre of WP being a better player than 13 of Lions. Also rate the Free State pair and the large BB centre. A lot of hype around Lions 13, but he is selfish (although very good eye for a gap). WP double marked him yesterday. Intelligent lay would have been to offload earlier or through the tackle. He kept on trying to bash through tackles. No denying that we have good talent in centres and no 10’s this year.
@BrotherBear: While you are sorting that one out, try and find out why FS was refused the request to draw a lock from their AW team as replacement@Speartackle: Where can I give you a “like”? Would be interesting to see which players the French go for. I do think that they view skills differently.
Now let’s wait and see what these boys can do in 2 year’s time…..I predict…..not too much
So what do the Blog members think about this move (I was quite shocked to hear about it this morning):
LIONS AW no 8 (Mom in first game) gets concussed in 2nd game and needs to sit out for final game. By chance the KES 8th man is attending the tournament, with his rugby kit. Now he did not attend any of the Lions trials, was never in contention and only recently recovered from injury. Suddenly he is included in the team for the Saturday game, above a lot of kids that did attend trials and are available (and fit). Not only that, the no 7 sustains an “injury”, is asked to come off the field and the KES no 8 completes the game. He has now earned a cap above other deserving young players, who has worked hard all season. WTF??
@BoishaaiPa: I agree, I was of the opinion that Ras shaded him. Not the same playing against a very tight defensive unit!
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes..people seem to miss the space 13 also creates with his outside swerve and well timed passes..he also rarely goes dead with a ball and has great defence…The Lions 13 is very good at exploiting space , but bar one good break was watched very closely and shut down quickly because of the danger he holds. On the day Ras was a better 13 for me but I think if you shift him to 12 with Lions 13 outside him they can create havoc as a pair….Ras will provide him with the running space he needs to do his thing. Lets see what the SA Shools selectors think.
@4X4: I believe the Helpies and Monnas and Jeppe and KES and… parents and children have a lot of time for each. Certain influences and actions from administrators and some parents are however frowned upon and comments raised. But then we generally move on.
@Bush: agreed! They don’t seem to have the money to pay a full-time selector so my idea of asking each of the top 10 school coaches to pick a side excluding their own players works for me. They have seen all the boys play so have an idea. Then the most picked in each position makes up the probables and the rest the Possibles in a trial series of three games. Players can be swapped about according to form in the series. Then the team must play a stronger team in trials eg Varsity Cup side or club under21’s. This doesn’t help the kids in rural or smaller schools but we have the CD team for that. Agree the coaches are good, I played club rugby with Mike Vowles at WOB!
@MikeSt: @Djou: Maybe Beet is also tired of his on Blog. You will never get a ref that makes you happy. Only if you on the winning side. Never heard of anybody ever complaining about a ref when winning. That’s life in the rugby world.
As a matter of interest where is Beet (unless iI missed posts) as no updates for a while has been given.
@Stier: Ek het my tot dusver weerhou van al jou kommentaaar, maar tog verdien dit nou bietjie reaksie.
Jy beweer “As ek kyk hoe die ouens hier op die blog mekaar looi wonder mens maar”.
Kom ek herhinner jou dat jy begin het met afbrekende kritiek oor die standaard van rugby in Pretoria en dan ook om Garsies af te kraak.
En dan verwys jy na respek – waar jyself met jou kritiek niks daarvan toon nie.
Vee eers voor jou eie deur …
En vir jou inligting – indien jy skolerugby in Pretoria goed volg sal jy weet dat die Bulle en Leeus vroeer in ‘n oefenwedstryd teen mekaar gespeel het waar die Bulle gewen het (weliswaar het albei spanne toe sonder sekere spelers gespeel maar dit is nie genoeg rede vir die groot punte-ommeswaai nie).
So, om ‘n wen na ‘n massiewe loesing om te swaai beteken dat daar afgesien van goeie afrigting by die Leeus ook “buite beheer” faktore teenwoordig moes wees. As jy werklik neutraal was sou jy gemerk het die Bulle is deur ‘n onbeholpe skeidsregter geboor in die wedstryd teen die Leeus. Byvoorbeeld, die Affieslot is afgestuur met ‘n geelkaart – omdat hy die reels nagekom het. What a joke!!! Hy het meer as ‘n meter weg gaan staan en nie meegeding vir die bal in die lug nie – soos wat die reels vereis. Die Leeuspeler spring egter in hom in en val hard op sy rug. Ek het die reels daaroor weer en weer gaan oplees en daar is geen, maar geen verwysing na ‘n geelkaart vir die tipe voorval nie.
“Law 10h): Tackling the jumper in the air. A player must not tackle or tap or push or pull the foot or feet of an opponent jumping for the ball in a line-out or in open play.
Speler het gaan staan en die heelagter het in hom ingespring.
Patetiese werk deur die TV-skeidsregter en skeidsregter – en selfs deur die kommentators wat ook nie hul reels ken nie. Dit is duidelik die skeidsregter het gesoek vir ‘n rede om iemand af te stuur pleks van “common sense” te toon en die reels toe te pas.
En met al jou rugbykennis moes jy gesien het dat die Bulle se skrum die van die Leeus van vroeg af onder druk gehad. Tog kry die Bulle al die strafskoppe teen hulle en toe die Bulle se kaptein dit later uit frustrasie vir die skeidsregter sê hy het dit verkeerd, toe loop hulle eers deur onder strafskoppe. Selfs met die 6-manskrum by hul doellyn stap hulle met die Leeuskrum, maar kry die strafskop teen hulle terwyl dit duidelik was die vasskop knak onder die druk.
En by die afbreekpunte was dit ‘n groot gemors – van die kant af inkom en speel die bal op die grond het nuwe betekenis gekry en daarmee saam is nuwe reels geskep – altans vir die wedstryd.
Uiteraard gaan dit moeilik wees om onder sulke omstandighede positief te bly en dissipline te behou.
Dit is waar dat die Bulle se dissipline hulle in die steek gelaat het en ook as ‘n buitefaktor bygedra het tot die groot loesing. Die geelkaarte vir die slot en heelagter van Garsies was regverdig, hoewel dit bygesê moet word dat dit na alle waarskynlikheid nie sou gebeur het nie indien die frustrasiefaktor weens swak reelkennis nie daar was nie.
Ons, as kykers en liefhebbers van skolerugby, is beroof van ‘n goeie wedstryd deur swak skeidsregterskap.
@Bush: Wow! now we finding each other. The boys don’t pick themselves and GW is the best rugby school (this year) in KZN. The players (2nd and 3 rd team) played first at the time of trials and were the best a the time. Post mortem is unfair. Lets move on for the good of KZN rugby. My points remain and still valid. If that results in the majority coming from one school so be it but please don’t please the populace by spreading the honour. No good, same result. I thought Kearsney had the most say in who got what. Still believe that. It is Sunday and we have to rest. So be it. Affies next.
When do they announce the SA school teams?
@boerboel: yes China, do you not use LinkedIn?
@BoishaaiPa: @odie15: Hi, I thought the WP back three were immense. 15 is so elusive and created so much space, and to have players like 11, 13, 14 running off him is testament to the Lions defense. The No 10 really stood out for me and certainly on the day shaded Green. That being said I thought the Lions 9 had a good pass, but as the game wore on and pressure was applied his pass became more erratic with Green fielding balls at his ankles and above his head. Full marks to WP, great squad, well drilled and conditioned!
@Grasshopper: nice try grassy. Is that your jobtitle?
@Grasshopper: Morning. I understand the boys don’t pick themselves. I think the selectors should be separate from the coaches. Coach is a coach. The selectors should be traveling all over KZN and watching games. Taking down names and listing potential boys. The coaching staff that KZN have are bloody good, they have done well at club level and school level. It’s not a matter of a coach doing better, the system needs a change. Selection, selection, selection.
@boerboel: shows how dumb you are, look at the pic and look at the Twitter handle, same person. Head of Digital Market Intelligence at global German Market Research firm GfK needs some brains. Over feeding the troll….over and out to your comments….
@Bush: my point is the selection panel is quite fair, maybe not enough Westville representation. The boys didn’t pick themselves. I feel a few Hilton guys might be aggrieved. Not one 3rd team Glenwood player is in the AW team and those that are there have played Glenwood 1st’s during the season. I for one rate Bauer much more than Weideman & Cele than Vorster. Honestly give the job to McLeod Henderson and see if he can do better.
@Greenman: Morning Greenman, don’t believe everything Hopper prints on this blog. I don’t dislike GW, I just feel the KZN system is wrong, it is bias towards GW. If someone from GW could just explain the set up they have with KZN Rugby then maybe us outsiders will get a better understanding.
I’m sure if other teams in CW and AW and CD were dominated by 2nd and 3rd team players from one school, they would also feel our pain.
I couldn’t care a less if all 15 came from Glenwood but on merit not GW quotas, as they have the selectors, the coaches the admin etc,etc. You have it wrong that I want more MHS boys in the team, not at all. They have struggled this year and will struggle next year. If only one is deserving then that’s great. I’m not going to cry a green river. Any it’s Sunday, day of rest. Going to have a Captain now. Bon Voyage
@Grasshopper: took you a whole day to fabricate that little photo. At least you should have photoshopped somebody that looks more intelligent????
@boerboel: nothing to hide like little pipsqueaks like you!
@boerboel: there you go twatboel, now F off! https://twitter.com/amorrissey2015/status/754578102794223616
@Grasshopper: i see my little 1.95 m gimp is out again. Where is my photo????
@Hooit: Monnas! Or St Stithians? I really do think your two PJ’s are SA Schools certs….great players. Also Havenga & Macbeth! Great pack!
@Grasshopper: Next year is in the Lions area. Venue to be announced within the next 2 months
Watched the main game again now, Moerat played very well but I actually thought Dixon played better. Great game, Lions forwards stood up well. Gianni Lombaard the difference again! He is tough wirey little guy. Well done WP, well coached! Next year will be interesting. Does anyone know where it’s being hosted?
@McCulleys Workshop: Selective reading, once again a perennial problem with my haters. I have mentioned numerous times how well I thought Richardson played, the Meyer was our best captain and lock, Pepsi played well, Curtis was solid in defence….I mean what else do you want. Richardson for me should get picked in the Academy squad. I even said Brummer, Weideman and Vorster were lucky to be there and not really good enough. I honestly do hope there is a big shake-up with KZN schools rugby and Glenwood only gets one or no selectors at all. That way when they are picked no-one can complain.
@h2o: FYI it’s phases not fases and yes teams win matches. There lies the problem, KZN gather too late and do not have enough time to gel. I see McCulley’s conveniently left out mention of any Glenwood player. Most of the Glenwood players in the AW team are grade 11 too. Anyway, getting bored of being attacked personally on a blog by people too scared to even use their real names.
@4×4: As ek kyk hoe die ouens hier op die blog mekaar looi wonder mens maar. Toe ek vir die Garsies ouers vroeer gese het ek hou van Affies was die reaksie baie negatief? Ek hou net van die skool en sy rugby dit is al. Ek het geen en het nog nooit enige verbintenis met affies gehad nie. As jy se die kinders is nie bewus daarvan nie en dit pla hulle ook nie dan is dit goed so, dit is hoe dit moet wees. Dit lyk egter nie altyd of die manne hier dit besef nie. Ek het verwys na respek vir mekaar se skole hier op die blog. Wat mens hier sien is meer as net vriendelik “banter”.
@4×4: Actually the Monnas and Helpies players and parents get along very well.
@Losbal: Lions 19
@McCulleys Workshop:
The Richardson / Prinsloo thing remains a mystery to me. To leave the incumbent out for an out of position player is wierd. Having said that, Richardson clearly could not be left out. It’s obviously not a quota issue so the only logical explanation I have is that Richardson had a cracker trial or HP had a mare (or both).
Your Kingsley comment removed the final 2.8% doubt!
@h2o: I don’t have answers, our administration and processes are swak.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: So why are we being accused of being anti Glenwood when this is a provincial tournament and all we want is a better KZN. If you just shut up about Glenwood for 3 seconds this would be a better post for all. Rather spend more time thinking of non Glenwood players FFS. No-one is suggesting that House players should have been in the side, shake your head your brain is stuck.
@McCulleys Workshop: well said… how are we going to ensure that these u17 you have mentioned grow from strength to strength…. do we start identifying them now and improve them in the off season or do we approach schools now and look at gameplans that would be best to utilise in next years CW…..TEAMS win matches not individuals. …. I believe we just were very flat in attacking options and lacked the vision beyond 2nd and 3rd fases….. kzn certainly have the players
@GreenBlooded: I’m sure it was Bush, aka Kingsley!
To my mind Richardson has probably been the MOT (not to be confused with other MOT’s) for KZN, although I think out of position and I think Prinsloo the better choice at hooker and would have added accuracy in the lineout, and certainly needed in the scrums. However Richardson is great with ball in hand, runs into space, doesn’t lose the ball in contact, and is huge in defense. In the WP game I watched him run from from throwing in the ball at the line out (which we lost) and chasing and tackling the 12 or 13 Centre. He has great potential and hopefully won’t be discarded as Prinsloo was. ( I don’t buy the argument that Prinsloo was coming back from injury, if so why pick him for the academy side).
Crowshaw was a surprise for me, 3 steals on day one, and sorely missing against WP. He had a quieter day today. Meyer worked tirelessly. Pepsi had flashes that showed what he could do. 9 has good distribution but less good with ball in hand. Curtis was safe and had good distribution. The 11 wing was lost for pace on D against province. I understand that the DHS 8, 9, 14 and 15 are all grade 11 and should be great next year.
@4×4: ja hy is n ouer en ook op die beheerliggaam maar hy het min met afrigting te doen gehad die jaar
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: hellloooo yes i am referring to you…. no problem with being passionate but being obsesive compulsive and neverending…. you need help
@Greenman: the sooner you accept that you are part of the problem with KZN schools rugby the sooner it will go better…. no one arguing it is my opinion and if you dont like it so be it…. just stating facts
@h2o: I know you referring to me and I don’t force anything down anyone’s throat. I’m just passionate, sue me. Make the whole side Westville & House for all I care I’ll still support Glenwood…
@h2o: and Bush: no use debatting with you. as obsessed as Grashopper is about GW as obsessed your hatred of G W is. Your comments re fdrodgative and off no substance. I prefer not to comment on remarks thbeat might be directed at me. my right!
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: @Bush:
Hopper this is your comment 211 from the U20 thread “Grasshopper on 21 June, 2016 @ 09:21
@BrotherBear: Our locks looked pathetic too, Moerat should have been there even though he is still at school…Eloff too…”
Your lauding and blind overt promotion of certain players as if it is part of your social media career, (and your life or Glenwoods success depends on it) does you, your alma mater and the players no good in this forum. We all see through it. Stop leopard crawling across the lawn in your day glo outfit, we all can see you coming. Moerats shadow had your number today. And yet you other bloggers feel sorry for Grasshoppers protege, whose Dad is on the blog, what about Moerats family! Hopper you cause the kak, sadly we respond.
@h2o: My opsomming vam Stier se kommentaar is dat die man geniet om kontroversieele aanmerkings te maak om reaksie uit te lok. Is Theo van Rensburg nie ook betrokke by Westville se strukture nie?
@4×4: my kommentaar was meer sarkasties gerig op stier se blog aan jou en jou antwoord ….. ek val glad nie bb aan nie en glo dat julle net n afdag teen leeus gehad het…. snaaks hoe hy nou kan se daar is probleme in a kamp na 1 verloor en ander unies van leeus kan leer
@h2o: Het nie gesien dat ek enige verskonings getender het vir die Bulle se pakslae teen die Leeus nie? As jy rugby en veral skole rugby volg sal die uitslag van die Bulle-Vrystaat wedstryd ‘n redelike verassing wees vernaam gesien in die lig dat die span oorheers word deur Grey skoliere en Grey het hierdie jaar met Affies en Garsies afgereken dus is die verwagting ook geskep dat hulle die Bulle gemaklik behoort te wen….
@4×4: dit lyk my nou sekere spanne is “hollier than thow” en is vinnig om vinger te wys wanneer dinge blyk sleg gaan in ander kampe…. die geheim wat sommige nog nie het nie is on nederig te bly in wen of verloor….geluk aan albei Leeus en WP….. bulle ovs pumas sharks ens. is blykbaar net daar om die onreinheid en swakhede in rugby uit te wys volgens sommige bloggers…. ons praat van skoolseuns en ek glo daar is net 1 ding op hulle agenda en dit is om rugby te speel…. anders as mans wat hulle egos nou streel….
@Stier: it is not sbout winning, then absolutely. Then what we saw is what you going to get. he deserves to be there, find him a spot somewhere. he has talent. Please, who remembers anof the gwmames sharks played against BB, WP and Lions in years to come. My personal view off cause. you entitled to yours.
@Bush: not sure grapes! please, just move on. Facts and the more you would like to spread around thr cake, the more you will see these results. Know you still on about GW and it scews your better judgement. i dont mind if they pick 15 Michael house boys. As long as you do the basics right. My points remain valid.
@4×4: dit is waar woorde daardie
@Stier: Do you suggest that Helpies and Monnas are amicable towards one another? As to the Pretoria Schools…The Bulls Team has been dominated by Garsies and Affies Pupils…and if you put a 70 pointer against the Free State I cannot induce any of ther so called disrespect you referring to. I believe that the Bulls Team will once again be dominated by Garsies and Affies Pupils in 2017.
@h2o: I agree wholeheartedly. If Sharks Rugby do not sort this mess out i am afraid the team KZN sends to these rugby weeks will always suffer against better or more fairly picked sides. i spoke to some of the boys and they said that it was a hectic week with a lot of disparity between some of the boys. A happy camp is a winning camp but their is a lot of animosity between the players and it was visible from the side. Both the Academy and Craven week sides should have won today but the boys did not play together until the end
@MikeSt: Jy is 100% reg…die manne het gekombineer en Blou Bulle Rugby gespeel….hoop ons sien nog baie daarvan!!!! En jy weet mos wat sê due Affies Seuns…’n Affie gly nou en dan…maar hulle val nooit nie!
@Stier: sometimes the hate is not towards all schools more like us getting fed up by one blogger forcing one school down our throats…. sharks rugby has a huge deficit wrt developping… identifying and preparing for youth weeks…. but unfortunately the more dominant school seems te be ruling the setup instead of a collective goal driven plan by kzn schools to start performing instead of adding CW representatives on their cv….
How do you expect the Sharks to win anything if you guys are more interested in fighting each other than helping each other so the Sharks can win?
I find it interesting how the Sharks and BB schools don’t seem able to work together. Don’t you guys respect each others schools? Other unions might have the same problem but on this blog it has become very clear to me that those two unions schools don’t like or respect each other. Helpies, Monnas and Jeppie should be a example for you guys. Never mind the cape schools.
@4×4: kan nie affies of garsies rugby wees nie hulle het dan gewen.
Net n grappie
@Rainier Vermaak aka AKW: selfde sentiment as jy oor wat hier aangaan. Al 4 jaar op die blog en die kak wat hier aangaan is skokkend. Soos rugbymal gese het wonder hoeveel is regtig kenners.
@Speartackle: Jammer die game is nie uitgesaai nie. Ek neem aan as die Bulle Garsfontein Rugby gespeel het dan het die pak seker Affies Rugby gespeel om te sorg vir oorgenoeg balbesit. Lyk my as die Affies en die Garsies die slag click en kombineer dan is daar moeilikheid.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: It appears that this Boerboel may be William Wallace?
Somewhere in Kzn there is a young boy tonight, tall and still growing into his skin with some baby fat. He has a lot of potential and will be great next year.
He did not select himself to any team, showed no malice in the way he played his rugby and sure as hell does not deserve to be called fat or demeaned as a “superman” lock by adults (and I use that term in the loosest terms) on a blog that is supposed to celebrate schools rugby.
Maybe Rugbymal is right, the vitriol here steals my joy completely……
Good oldfashioned people that use their hands to earn a living. We need them
We need more of them. Too many BA,s
@boerboel: It is a good thing, but then France will take those okes as well.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: from what i see academics at gw as gloomy as their rugby – a more bluecollar environment. Good for Sa. We need the boilermakers,fitters and turners etc
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: I hope so too. I can eat humble pie. And cook a lekker GW and mushroom pie.
@Bush: fyi it’s Moerat not Borat. I think 3 from KZN could make the Academy side, Richardson, Van Rooyen & Holtshauzen. I hope the young lock reads this and proves you wrong…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Just a small kick while you are down. Your superman lock knowwhere near to Borat from Province not even close. He can have another 10 years in KZN Schools Rugby. He can become the next Thom then maybe he could compete against Borat. Not one KZN player deserves the thought of making SA Schools. Okay maybe 1 player I could think of would be the 11 wing. Hold that one Hopper before you roll your polony he’s from GW
@boerboel: WP C is actually the Bulls team
A wp c team should comfortably beat the kzn a team
@Bush: again, provide answers and not just throw your toys out the cot because the system doesn’t suit you. They tried to make the selection process more fair with more representation from all schools. Tell us how it should be. I want no Glewood coaches or selectors at all, then when we fail again at least it can’t be blamed on that. Why don’t they just make McLeod Henderson the coach for next year and see what happens. Our under16’s made the GK final so we have the players for the next 2 years. Unfortunately for you many are from Glenwood…
@Speartackle: ?…mmm….ok if you say so…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Wake up you moose. The system may work for your school and for you. It’s not working for KZN.
H2O didn’t watch AW, you are correct they did very well. Can only imagine how well they would have done with 1st Team Boys????????????
@AffieOuer: Maar dis mos presies wat Garsfontein doen
@Greenman: point no 3 crap!!!! If you have lo k that is to big lift…. stupid excuse how do they lift Moerat?…. why choose him…. if your other lock gives away 3-6 penalties a game…. why choose him? If the hooker is not the best hooker? What then? Choose the best boys in each position and practise your game plan… Sharks failed to prepare and prepared to gail…
WP won all their CW games, and so did the Pumas. Pumas BO!!!!!!
@Speartackle: nee jy is geklap! Vir eenkeer het ons n bietjie struktuur gespeel. 2 dinge was anders: manne het as n span gespeel en ouens het vir n slag elkeen sy primere werk goed gedoen
@Bush: i beg to differ …. did you see any of the AW games? They lost the final game against a very strong Lions game by 1 try….. 2 wins 1 loss. There were players like King #1. Prinsloo#2. Bauer#4. Barnard#5. O Niel#8. Athembe#7. Ngubane#9. Coetzee#10. Conradie#15. Kruger #13 who played very well during the week and in hindsight would have improved the CW side…… maybe look at why those boys were left out in the beginning….
@odie15: Maybe, my uncle always talks about how Natal beat WP 12-9 in the first Craven Week, where he scored all the points. Old Doc Craven came over to him and shook his hand! Good old days ?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: HEHEHE you amusing….Yes Natal derbies might be few years older. But like the 100 years it took the Banana boys to win the Currie cup it took as long for us to hear about them…..Maybe you should’ve been born 30 to 50 years earlier.
@Bush: and replace them with House boys, then KZN would have kopped over 100 in each game. I ask you a simple question, which school in KZN is strongest this year? There were 7 Glenwood players max in the team at any given point. Van Rooyen, Vorster, JJ, Brummer, Maduna, Holtzhausen & Lubbe. Vorster only came on as a replacement & same with Weideman. Brummer too was a replacement. Please tell me who out of these guys should have played instead of them? Your hatred for Glenwood is clouding your vision.
@Greenman: I think the idea behind CW is to give the best “talent” in our country a chance to show their stuff. Although we as supporters, players and coahing staff want our team to win it is not just about winning. It will be very unfair to leave any player out just because he doesn’t play in a strong combination at his school. If he is the best in his position he must be given a oppertunity . Will you be happy if they select the SA u/18 team on that basis after CW?
@BoishaaiPa: explain ignorant? Watched many games down there….
Greenman, sounds like sour grapes. KZN union needs to ensure all their players don’t come out of 1 single school. For both the CW and AW sides. KZN was a joke. Lucky Shapiro wasn’t watching the KZN side, would make a great cartoon for his paper.
@Rugbyrealis: Ek moet sê die Bulle het vandag mooi Garsfontein rugby gespeel
If it wasn’t for ou Bog and Hopper….this site would be like 7de laan
Geluk aan die WP se AW span wat 23-12 teen die BB gewen het in die finaal. Dit maak dit dan o/13 a en b en o/18 AW en CW champs. Jammer oor die GK span wat op ‘n Boland skil gegly het. Steeds, die WP spanne het net een wedstryd verloor in vyf comps as ek dit reg het. Baie geluk seuns en afrigters.
@BOG: Sure
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Come on dude just now we’re going to need rulers for this exchange.
@Hooit: jou seun inderdaad n yster…..sien uit om hom volgende jaar weer op CW te sien…..hopelik as flank al het hy geensins teruggestaan vir Moerat
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Lack something special?…You do make me chuckle with your ignorant remarks.
@boerboel: @boerboel: No need for a photo from you. tThe dustbin next to the road is a mirror image of you! move on!
Great game of rugby to watch.The better team won.
@Bush: indeed! Well done, Kearsney
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: waiting on your photo?
@Greenman: Spot on!
Well done Kearsney well hosted tournament????????
Well done to both WP and Lions. Speed the determining factor with a quick ball from loosies. Rugby very healthy north and south but east big problem!
Time to blame the selectors and coaches. My take.
1. Dont select players who you are going play out of position just because you cant leave him out-You did Richardson no favour.
2. Pick hooker snd two locks from same school. They need to know each other and you need a season for that not 3 weeks. Same goes for flyhalf and scrummie.
3. Passing the ball should be a must not a novelty. Teached that to your centres as learned from WP.
4. When you not big dont play with your forwards. Clean,Quick ball and speed.
5. Dont invite 150 players to trials. you will never pick up the talent in such short time. Visit school games and get better aquanted with players potential.
6. Gameplans not kept to. If not, get a captain that has strategy as a subject.
7. if we have to play 50% AA then go and fetch them now from the soccer fieldse
The end
@BOG: ek hoor die son was in Julie one,die wind het halftyd gedraai en ene suzie was Julie kook gist rand?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: how did “jj” play? I suggest a cold shower?
@BuiteBreek: mate, most of the KZN derbies are well over 100 years old. Can’t beat Bishops vs Sacs but the Paarl schools are not older than KZN ones…
Close game, maar baie foute. Ek dink net die WP moet volgende jaar meer wyn vat of ‘n ref kry wat wel wyn drink. Nek rol, met skouer clean, deur die hek in kom by die rucks en laaste voete is iets waarvan hierdie ref nog nooit gehoor het nie. Albei spanne is benadeel deur hierdie swak ref. Mens sou dink ‘n CW finaal sou deur ‘n top ref geblaas word.
@nooit, jou span het my lekker laat naels kou, daai 10 van julle is ‘n yster maar doen dalk net bietjie te veel op sy eie.
Sorry maar Ras het Simelani oorskadu. Die seun is sterk en wen meters al is die defense op hom. Sardyn moes van die begin af gespeel het, hy het ‘n groot verskil gemaak by die rucks. Uys is Uys, Bios beter hom stil hou Augustus.
Ek moet se ek was heel beindruk hoe die WP skrum gehou het. Die Leeus het ook by die lynstaan nie ‘n idee gehad nie. Dalk ken hulle nie wind nie maar Moerat hulle het dit maklik gehad en hulle daar dood gemaak. Laat mens dink aan die 2007 WC toe Matfield en co die Rose ook in die lystaan pak gegee het. Slot speel gaan oor meer as net stampkar wees.
Welgedaan aan altwee spanne julle was die twee top spanne by CW 2016 maar WP bly bo vir nou.
Was a close final…Second half Lions got one better in the scrums..well done WP and Lions…could see the boys were tired after tough week….last 10 minutes full of mistakes by both teams.
@BOG: Ek hoop jy het gekyk…2de helfte het ons “fetcher” opgekom en 3 turnovers gekry en 2 penalties vir sy span..en dit het nie soos Brugstraat gelyk nie.
@Rainier Vermaak aka AKW: Ruan de Swardt aka Patches
Typical hard final. Wind complicated matters. Well done WP. Not sure that any of the other teams will have competed this well against WP. Brilliant scrummaging Lions.
@Hooit: wie is jou laaitie?
Wie het losskakel vir die BB span gespeel vandag?
Dit was darem nie goed nie.
Laat ons maar eerlik wees.
Congratulations WP! Great week Lions.
@BOG: Attitudes like yours will kill the game but luckily you are in the minority.
What happened to well done to the other team … bad attitude.
As Moerat aka moerhard is dink ek my laaitie is fokken hard
@Pinotage: Dit is presies my punt- die “politieke korrekte” keuses. En wat ek probeer se is dat dit sekere streke meer raak as ander. Maar rugby word hierdeur vernietig in SA, en ek glo dat die tou vir daardie 20 plekke in Frankryk, baie lank sal wees. En ek verdink hulle gladnie@Playa: You did say the other day that your eyes get groggy by the 2nd or 3rd sentence in Afrikaans, and with this comment, you proved it. I did not blame the ref. I blamed the selection system
@Losbal: Net as jy die kenners vra. Liefhebbers het dalk ook gedink dat WP Lions n goeie finaal behoort te wees. Nie goeie game nie, maar twee beste spanne van die week.
WP nr 20? Regtig.
Muller Uys WP se beste voorspeler.
Lombard beste agterspeler.
Lions 14 great.
Nie goeie final, maar ten minste is beste 2 spanne in finaal.
Behoort close te eindig.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: players 5 to 1, you are right
Rugby players closer to 20 to 1
Enjoy the gees beker.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Yeah, I guess after 100 odd years, the novelty kinda wears off. Would be nice .if we had your “special” down here in the Cape.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: who were standout performers for sharks?
@Stier: I’ve been to two Paarl derbies, big but lack something special you get in KZN. Hilton vs Michaelhouse, College vs Glenwood, College vs DHS, Glenwood vs Westville. Anyway, enjoy being up on that pedestal….arrogance must be one of humans worst traits. Well played Pumas, close game!
@Playa: Definitely not a sportsman.
I’ve heard that JC Pretorius had another MOM performance. Did any Sharks players have a good game?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Then you obviously went to the wrong games. Bios high vs Gim biggest schoolboy derby probably in the world never mind SA. But OK if there is bigger games in KZN well done just a pity nobody in the rest of the country knows about it. Shame on you DSTV!!!!!!
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Sorry gras but 60-5 against WP and now this? Don’t worry about WP, worry about the Pumas first.
Well done Pumas!
@Stier: like 5 years ago when KZN beat WP 23-21, those sorts of years. I lived in Cape Town for 2 years and attended quite a few games in Paarl, Stellenbosch & Cape Town, not bad gees but doesn’t come close to the atmosphere in KZN derbies. WP by sheer numbers will always be good! WP must have 5 times the number of players KZN has….if not more….
All the hype about the Sharks for nothing
@BOG: Gister was die wind,vandag is die ref, more is global warming se fout. Kom aan Oom. Be a sportsman for once
Soos ek al gese het hulle moet CW los en streeks toernooie hou. Vier strekke en elke provinsie kies twee spanne vir sy streek toernooi. Dan kies hulle by elke streek toernooi twee spanne en hulle speel ‘n toernooi. Amper soos sevens, ‘n knockout komp. met cup, plate ens.
@onestripe: Pumas win 26-23
@BOG: Ek het myself daarvan weerhou om enige kommentaar hier te lewer agv persoonlike redes. Daar kan GEEN verskonings gesoek of aangevoer word vir die powere vertoning van Vrystaat vandag nie. Hand in eie boesem steek is die enigste konstruktiewe oplossing. Polities korrekte keuses het n manier om jou uit te vang.
I am not arrogant, it is a fact. The level of rugby at school is totally different to anything I have ever seen in Gauteng. Just the other day I and a friend were talking, some of our under 13 boys would have played around 35 games by the end of this season. Our primary school season only ends in early September. Yes there will be years when the WP won’t be the top team but they will almost always be up there giving the best teams a run for their money.
@onestripe: 23 all…..5 min
@onestripe: 10 min to go
@Speartackle: which players have stood out?
Sharks 23-16
@Stier: you forgetting ex Glenwood coach Sean Erasmus! Best schoolboy coach out there. Arrogance leads to downfall, watch this space….
@BoishaaiPa: Wat vandag met die Vrystaat gebeur het, verduidelik perfek wat ek bedoel dat sommige spanne/streke met n handicap speel. As die span op volle sterkte is, kan dit gaan, maar sodra daar n paar beserings is onder die sleutelspelers, dan is dit n fiasko. Daar is geen diepte in die span nie, en dan kry mens nog boonop n sinnelose besluit soos die waarna Chief hier bo verwys. Die stelsel bly steeds vrot en aanduidings is dat dit nog vrotter gaan word vorentoe. Julle sal nog moontlik in die Ooskaap moet gaan werf.
Live scoring Academy final – http://www.sarugby.co.za/live.aspx?id=166004
BB’s leading 9/3 at half-time.
@BoishaaiPa: Sardyn en Vian het all baie spanne hierdie jaar laat wonder hoe ‘n bal so vinnig kan wegraak. Volgende jaar gaan hulle nog meer skade veroorsaak.
@onestripe: Sharks 17-16……15 min left
@onestripe: Pumas 13-12 halftime
Any feedback about the game between the sharks and Pumas?
Grey Free State should beat that Bulls/Garsies/Affies side by more than 50 points……Muzi
What happened?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Yes the Sharks grade 11 boys will remember the loss to WP. Just remember there is some awesome WP grade 11 kids that you don’t even know about. Bios high’s under 16 no.8 broke his arm before GK and he is a monster. This kid is big and he can run around wingers with his speed, so don’t worry next year WP will once again field a competitive team.
There is to many good rugby schools in the cape for them not be up there competing with the best. Then coaching, people don’t realize what level of coaching you get at schoolboy level in the WP. Slapchips, Deon Carstens, Dawie Snyman, Pierre Ribbons, Louis Koen, Brendon Venter and many more are helping or helped at the schools here. Most people from up country can’t even comprehend how big the rugby is in the cape. Moving from Gauteng to the Cape was a massive shock. The rugby down here is huge and the coaching on a different level. So good luck with next year but if I were you I won’t bet my house on the Sharks giving the WP a good klap anytime soon.
Nooit jy moet asb. die scores gooi as jy kan, dankie man.
@Speartackle: en jy weet mos ons WP manne word altyd bevoordeel want ons ry orals met kiste en kiste wyn rond vir al die beamptes…en die rugby wat die outjies speel is alles net omdat hulle so baie bevoordeel word en het absoluut niks met talent of afrigting te doen nie!
@BoishaaiPa: ja pasop Vrede het die jaar al 3 games gewen
daai een voorspel vir die Bulle. post 695. daai een voo
@Speartackle: Iemand het gister genoem dat die Bulle Donderdag gelyk het of hulle nie lekker weet of hulle Affie of Garsie rugby moet speel nie toe speel hulle maar Vrede rugby….
@BOG: Ek neem ook aan jy het al die ander Boishaai games gekyk wat in Riversdal, Kimberley, Jhb en George gespeel is om daardie stukkie inligting oor ons fetcher so te kan ontleed.
Die Garsfontein spelpatroon toe baie meer doeltreffend vir Bulle
@BOG: Jy soek nog steeds die fout by almal anders behalwe voor jou ou eie deur..en as jy Maandag gekyk het sou jy gesien het dat hy weer baie effektief was by afbreekpunte….ek maak nie die reels nie en sal nie weet nie…miskien seker omdat jy net n beperkte aantal kan opbring uit die AW en OVS het alreeds 2 ?…ek glo daar sal n logiese verklaring wees, maar kom ons wag vir die offisiele verduideliking voordat almal weer op hol gaan met halwe inligting.
Well done Bulls!! Now for the other two Noordvaal teams! Go Pumas! Go Lions!
@BoishaaiPa: Seker dieselfde ref as by Brugstraat? Ek sien dat WP se “fetcher” hoeka nie so skerp is op n neutrale veld nie. En miskien moet jy Chief se vraag hierbo beantwoord. Of is dit te vertroulik?
Daar is niks gevaarliker as n gekweste Blou Bul nie.Hele klomp bloggers wat nou maar hul woorde en slim opmerkings moet sluk.Geluk Bulle 74-8.
@Hooit: is dit agv ‘n program wat verander het dat DSTV herhalings uitsaai…….het regtig uitgesien na paar games…..SWD het blykbaar hul bure ook ore aangesit….
@Hooit: Ek het dit nou glad nie verwag nie. Dit is meer as net die ref of hoe?
Dankie DSTV.
@Speartackle: Hel ou Spiesie…daai ref moet erg wees as dit nou al 60 is…
@Muzi: what do you say now mr know-it-all?Some of your comments on this blog towards the Bulls CW team,officials and individual players just show you are a “teemgat”.Jy kan nou die res van die dag op die treinspoor gaan speel.
@GreenBlooded: i think he is a very good player but he is not a hooker in my opinion. Had a good week but i 1st saw him at Kearsney and he was brilliant there.
BB 60 – FS 8
Its a game of boys vs men.
@Speartackle:
Kearsney. Big blond boy. I think he plays hooker for KZN.
@BoishaaiPa: Die ref blaas OVS dood……klug
Bb51 – FS 8
@GreenBlooded: From which school?
@onestripe: i mix up the 2 my apologies. Pretoruis is the best 6 at cw for me
@BOG: Ou Boggie…jy en daai kundiges van jou moet miskien maar weer gaan koukus lyk dit my….ek hoop van harte dit gaan beter in die 2de helfte met jou spannetjie.
48 Bulls – 8 FS. 16 min left
@Heron:
Tell me more about Richardson – how has his week been? Sadly I’ve been stuck up at Kusile Power Station this week and haven’t been able to make any of the games. Remember he is only U17 and in Gr 11.
@Hooit: Weet hy al die Leeu beginspan ?
@chief: ja jong WP administrateurs run mos die CW
41 bulls – 8 FS. Bulls are manhandling the FS players.
@Heron what about JC Pretorius of the Pumas at 6?
@boerboel:
Raai wat vriendin, verrassings hou aan kom na OFS se kant toe. Binne senter Rikus Pretorius sit vandag uit, OFS mag nie Jaco Wessels van Akademie Week optrek soos WP se Wian Van Niekerk wat vandag begin vir WP by CW nie? Sal laaik vir iemand om dan te verduidelik hoekom SA Rugby sê ons mag nog twee stutte kies van Akademie Week? Maar nie ‘n Backline ou soos ons kort nie?
We can clearly see why ofs played the weaker teams earlier
@Hooit: Thought you were joking …. confirmed on twitter.
My SA schools would be:
1.
2. Larkam (WP)
3. Van der Merwe (Valke)
4. JJ (KZN)
5. Moerat (WP)
6. Roodt (Valke)
7. Richardson (KZN)
8. Jacobs (Lions) / Sirgel (Border) / Lamprecht (SWD)
9 WP
10 Green (Lions) / Beytel (Valke)
11 WP
12 Similane (Lions)
13 van Heynigen (FS)
14. Ras (WP)
15. Willemse (WP)
Its just an opinion
@GreenBlooded: lol…..I got caught like that@Bush: I know it anyway
Cravenweek . Bulls 34 – Free State 8. Halftime. Program was changed. Sharks vs Pumas next
@Speartackle: Spear come on, I’m going to have to use my real name now.
@Playa: Totally agree, they could even have replaced Super Rugby on 201
@Speartackle:
The nice thing about Toti Club – if you order a beer, standard issue is a quart. You need to specify if you want a pint.
@GreenBlooded: Wrong guy. I just watch and give the refs kuk.
@GreenBlooded: Hope you weren’t the ref for Toti vs Collegians game.
Bush was the oke sitting on that modern Toti grand stand facing the bar
@AbsolutMenlo: They could have showed the other games instead of repeating Thursday’s games
@Bush:
Thanks. Just don’t stir with the lighties on the field next time….
KZN underperformed because there were too many private school players selected who wouldn’t even make Glenwood’s 2nds
@Romano: Sorry sien dit is herhalings.
@GreenBlooded: 1st Team game, but you are a good ref
@Bush:
Which – the game I reffed or the 1sts?
@Romano: Dstv channel 210
@Heron: I’m with you on that. He’s a machine. Intelligent player. Can play wing as well.
Free State no. 13 is a player for the future in my opinion.
@GreenBlooded: No, it probably was Spear.
I sit, watch and keep my comments to myself. Was a good game though???????
@Bush:
A couple of years back I reffed the House 3rds (or was it 2nds?) against Kearsney. There was a House supporter fitting your description sitting on the far end of the bleachers on Meadows give the KC players the gears (nothing hectic – just some chirping). Instead of ignoring the oke, the KC players took the bait and responded – even asking me to intervene. Probably lost them the game. Was it you? The same day the KC okes spewed their guts at ou Andrew Nicholson who reffed the main game where KC also lost.
@boerboel: neee boerboel bly jy eerder hy moet loop.. goeie rugby op albei velde vanoggend…. baie beter as om tuis te bly en op tv te kyk
Sit nou in biertent met n yskoue flying fish…. so net vir die senuwees…go Sharks AW…
Bulle met 5
Lions met 7
SWD just thrashed EP. Cravenweek. About 64 – 14.
@Heron: 3 in CW. That’s a good show from Dale??????
@Playa: @Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: there’s something different about Salmaan that outsiders won’t know. Last year most probably most aggressive players in country. Combination with Ruben de Villiers was monstrous. Allowed him to be more time to smash and do the graft. This year he needs to be more measured as a captain which I thought would be the case giving it to him. There’s no lock that has meshed well with this year yet but a minor in view of the future. I keep waiting for the sparkle we hear of week in and out. Your go to line of JJ being only grade 11 as default status amuses me. I will wait for the domination I have been promised next year.
@Playa: no.14 and 15
Is net die “final” op’ie kassie vandag? Het uitgesien na die Vrystaat game ook…..eish
@BOG: I agree but not applicable to the Lions this year and should also not be an issue next year.
@Heron: Thanks.I didn’t know about the Border CD players.
Time to leave this circus. This is utterly fn pathetic. How many scores team performance post were done latelty. How many comments on the smaller unions as those boys love rugby even more than city rats. But yet no one even talk about them.
Only comments of guys that think they know the game but actually know sweet nothing. Call this rather the frustrated old man shit talking blog as you guys are a disgrace to the adult community of schoolboy rugby.
Admin please remove my log on from this place
No. 9 of KZN not no. 21
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Aahh….typical Grassy response. Go off a tangent when the debate is not to your satisfaction.I did say I’m not an expert on locks,it would have been great if you rather educated me if I’m getting this wrong.My little Dale side is kind of over being manhandled by JJ it’s a distant memory now.
For your info – my intention was not to degrade JJ but rather point out an inconsistency on your part.Your bias clouds your judgement.JJ is a great player.Great players do get outplayed by other great players from time to time,sometimes even by average players.This of course doesn’t make sense in Grassy Park.
@BOG: has the ofs played already?
Dale Boys – 4 in CW Border: no 10, 13, 15, 18.
– 2 in CW Border CD
– 4 in AW
Total 10
Ex-Dale Boy in Craven week
– 2 BB no. 20 and 14
– 2 EP CD no. 13 and 15
– 1 EP no. 8
– 2 KZN no. 9 and 15
Total 7
@boerboel: Your comments are no longer humorous- not that they ever have been, but now it reflects a mental illness.
Grassy?????
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: grassfixation. I will make you a deal. Since you have already come out of the closet by revealing your name why not post a photograph proving your gargauntian 1.95 m frame. If you do i will leave this forum.
@boerboel: F off Wankerboel…
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: do you get “excited” when posting about “jj”?
@Playa: Yes Playa you know it all it seems, probably never played lock in your life. I have my opinion and you yours. JJ manhandled your little Dale side, it was poetry in motion…
3 in CW and 5 in AW.
@Bush: Hahaha!One would be lacking a heart to not like Griffy.
I guess it’s a case of a good team with not many individual superstars.Also two boys who made CW last year are 19 this year.
@Bush: u19’s, at KERF this year about 6 or 7 of them were older.
@Playa: Tell me why has Dale only got 2 players in the Border Side??? Don’t the selectors like Griffy????
@Bush: Trying to make one,sadly
@BOG: OVS en Lions begin vandag met n moerse handicap teen hulle maar kom ons kyk maar
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Man for man I can tell you for free that he outplayed him.There were even two one on one situations between them as well with Salman winning both.It’s one game,doesn’t define anything for sure.
I have had the sense that JJ has been made ‘godlike’ and here you have an ‘unspectacular’ player that humanized him.I don’t think you’re doing any justice to Salmaan’s talent but instead are making excuses for JJ.The kid will come right there’s no need for you to devise a formula to build an Ivan Drago out of him.
@AbsolutMenlo: @Hooit: When I speak of a handicap, I do not refer to individual players or present incumbents- I refer to the system and the rules. Certain regions are able to select on merit, while others, where the preferred choice of sport is not rugby, are compelled to manipulate and include players who do not even represent their schools 3rd team. Does that sound reasonable? Having said that, I have no doubt that all the players who are in the teams, will give their all and very best. But that does not mean that an unjust SYSTEM, should be ignored. Is that really so difficult to understand? If you can truly say that every player at CW, AW, and GK are there on merit, I withdraw, but you know the honest answer to that. @boerboel: Lyk vir my jy is nog op vrye voete eerder as by die SPCA, waar jy hoort, vir berading, ontvlooiing en n groom. Mag jou paaie kruis met n hondetende Sjinees en jy eindig as sy Sondagmiddagmaaltyd.
@Bush: nope, that would be sacrilege!!!
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: So do you wear anything under your kilt?????
@Playa: it did count, not sure he outplayed JJ as an individual, the WP pack as a whole outplayed KZN in the 1st half, 2nd half more even. Remember he is a year and a bit older than JJ. Also, currently JJ is used as a ball carrier and not tight enough. If he is coached properly in the next year he should tighten up and do more lineout work using his height. A year at this level is huge! Salmaan did the basics well and dived over for an easy try. He is just not in a JD Schickerling league yet. Salmaan carries his power in his upper body and JJ in his lower body. So JJ just needs some upper body work to catch up and pass Salmaan……5 to 10kg weight loss too for JJ will make him immense. He is already the 6th fastest over 50m in the Glenwood team, just behind the backs.
@Playa: Spending your millions???????
@odie15: Im not an expert on locks but i stopped taking different views on Salmaan seriously after one blogger compared his style of play to that of Victor Matfield.Even I could tell that this was a blunder of a comparison.
Having watched the young man over the last year and a half,he has a few things going for him….he oozes leadership,he’s physical,knows when to be loose and when to be tight,and he controls his forwards well on defence…something most people won’t realise.Sure he’s not a superstar,but superstar locks are scarce at this level anyway.
Grassy – does the fact that he outplayed JJ on Wednesday not count for anything?
@BOG: @BOG: By stating teams play with a ‘handicap’ you most definitely do not support ALL the SBR players….
@GreenBlooded: Eish I could never live this one down.KERF 2017….I will not make the same mistake twice!
@Bush: I’m not one to easily pass on a free beer or 10.Youll never get an excuse to miss out on that – and the jesrey im hiding behind is testimony
.I just happen to be 1400km away from Bothas Till today.
@odie15: Province by 20 in a tough game..
@boerboel: you talking about yourself there, kortbroek! What’s it like down there. Classic sign of an Internet troll, nerd trying to come across like something they not….
@boerboel: hey wankerboel lets meet and you can see for yourself, but you too blerrie kak scared to even nail your colours to a post you won’t do that. Morrissey is a band, quite a good one. It’s an Irish celtic tribal name with a long history you will never understand…
@odie15: watch him closely, does basics nothing spectacular but maybe that is his role. I played lock a few times at under 20 level hence always watch them closely, he’s good but not godlike like some WP supporters say he is. WP are good but we will see how good today against a pack that can match them. The grade 11 boys in the KZN pack will remember that loss next year…
@BoishaaiPa: @Grasshopper: so looking back on comments in last 5 months and this week. We were told by few over while that Salmaan is reason why Boishaai is on top in country. Then we told that he isn’t as good as others locks in CW. So does this mean the team is good or are we just saying anything on different days to make ourselves feel better?
@Bush: his height as stated by the little nerd. He mention height and weight in the majority of his post. Tell tale of some “size issues”. ??? 1.65 m max is my guess
@boerboel: Wasn’t Morrissey like a singer or something?????? I would rather say Happy Pornstar
195 what is that??? His reach
@GreenBlooded: Thanks for the heads up, I can see Playa is already making excuses. He’s hiding behind his Dale jersey. He must bring his wife with. At least we will have someone to talk too
@Bush: jip alan morissey sounds like a gay pornstar. A 195 110 kg one. ????????
@BOG: ai ou boggie jou ou ovs/grey spannetjie is waar hulle hoort. Speel die dou af vir die groot spanne. Hulle het 2swak spanne gewen. “Flat track bullies”
@Bush:
If you are planning on waiting in the beer tent for Playa – best to check with his missus if he has been issued with a day pass. It could end up a long and blurry afternoon.
Ou GT and I have been down that road………
Morning all, awesome day for rugger.
Morning Hopper. I thought you said you were going to give your real name. Come on stop hiding.
@BOG: The only handicap the Lions are playing with is all the plaster used on some players otherwise we truly have none.
@BOG: The teams are only “handicapped’ if they think they are … the opposite is also true.
@BoishaaiPa: Daar is natuurlik n hele paar kundiges wie dink dat dit dit eintlik die Lions en Vrystaat is wie in die hoofwedstryd moes speel- besonders as daar in ag geneem word dat beide hierdie spanne met n “handicap” moet speel. En “my spannetjie”, soos jy neerhalend na hulle verwys, het kwalik met hulle sterte tussen hulle bene teruggekeer na die vlaktes. Hulle het inderdaad verloor op die dag, maar as daar n paar dinge in gedagte gehou word, was dit maar met n klein punteverskil.En verloor, soos jy sekerlik oor die jare sal kan getuig, is nou en dan goed vir die opvoedingsproses.
@BOG: Ja ou Bog..dis maklik om sulke stellings te maak as jou spannetjie nie teen WP hoef te speel nie..al wat ek weet is dat jou hele skool Paarl toe gekom het en stert tussen die bene terug gestuur is vanjaar vlaktes toe..en daar is net 8 van hulle in die WP span..
@Bush: Hahahahahaha
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahagah loving this time. Beet you machine
@Bush: You mean like Wit Blitz?
@Playa: Hey Playa, ever seen a White Ninja? Exactly, thats how good he is. Come on I buy you a dop tomorrow.
How do we change our avatar names?
@Bush: I’ll hold you to that. KERF 2017!
@Muzi: You might be right but don’t judge on one game.
Jeez – what is with all the manne outing themselves and making such a big deal about it? Ou Star and I did it jonks ago – still the only 2 up till now with the stones to do it.
So just in case you missed it:
Greenblooded aka Trevor Kershaw
@Muzi: You confuse yourself sometimes. Who was even talking about Curwin?
@Djou: PJ’s discipline was shocking..Bulls looked like they didn’t want to play against the lions…..if they go into that game against the Cheetahs with that kind of attitude they will get a can of super whoop ass……
@Playa: Looks like you need some back up?????.
@Playa: Just been straight. Love to buy you a beer?
@Bush: You just had to go there
@Playa: cry me a river…..Curwin doesn’t have heart…maybe I will change my opinion about him if he decides to man up defensively…..
@Muzi: You should watch more games and you will note he is not afraid to tackle. And PJ is one of the kindest persons on earth. Before you try and humiliate a boy, make an attempt to know him. We will see tomorrow if your prediction of a FS win will play out. Obviously I will be delighted but let’s see whether you are a real expert. And please read the house rules again.
@Playa: See you tomorrow White Oke with a black beard.
@Bush:
Did I interrupt your Friday night dose of Red Shoe Diaries? 
@Muzi: Muzi, stop. Playa you cock.Momiest when you come second.
@Djou: that black 10 was moved to wing because he’s scared to tackle in that channel……
@Muzi: Another unnecessary comment from you Muzi.It’s really disappointing to have an adult make such disingenuous comments about a schoolboy.It must be a sad life to sit and think up such things.
@Ringo: Unfortunately race still plays a big role in some unions. Look at the Bulls CW. The black flyhalf must play wing and so does the centre. So why don’t the selectors play the white players out of position and give the black players a chance to showcase their talent. The answer is because they still view the black players to be inferior. It is to say the least disgusting and also shows that a cleansing proces is necessary.
@AbsolutMenlo: Do you really think that Im that naive to believe that everybody would support my views? In fact, I would be surprized if there is ANYONE here, who is supported by everyone. And what makes you think that I do not support all SBR players? Have I ever made a disparaging remark about a particular player? No, I have not. Im tolerant of a wide range of opinions, but what does piss me off, is if a person thinks his brand or version of talking crap, is intellectually superior to my crap or any other persons crap for that matter.If you have a writers award in mind, you are on the wrong place.
May all the teams have a memorable and injury free day tomorrow and may the best team(s) win, particularly the Free State.
@BOG: Never crossed my mind that you will depart … only making a point that not everybody support your views especially on this blog SBR where we are supposed to support ALL schoolboy rugby players.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: With a name like Hopper your wrist and arms can’t be that big either “veldsprinkaan”
@Bush: no, I’m 6’4 so he is not much taller than me, his legs are about as thin as my wrist though! Well the Boks are so kak that wouldn’t be a huge achievement really
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Did you roll your polony after you realized how tall he was???? 6th Team from GW in AW bar is too low, more like Springbok Team.
Watching Sharks Ix vs Valke, 5 Glenwood old boys involved. Warren Potgieter & Dean Muir for Valke & Morne Joubert, Kerron Van Vuuren and Marawana for the Sharks. Good to see ?
Off topic, walked past Hyron Andrews at Kearsney. He is about 6foot7 but can’t weigh more than 100kg, like a beanstalk. How he copes in senior rugby only God knows!
If the mountain goats don’t become complacent then they should get the job done on Saturday…..the Lions won’t be a pushover though…..
@Muzi: None of the unions, due to financial constraints, can do that anymore. They have admitted this publically. The golden goose is losing weight- rapidly.
Jake White has an obsession in signing young Bulls players…..Duhan/Ivan/Nicolaas/Liebenberg now all in France….who’s next Snyman?!?!
Barend Van Graan & that meat ball Xander Janse Van Rensburg should rather invest the money in developing and searching for quality coaches at all levels instead of wasting money on signing 40-45 Under 18 players every damn year…..
@Muzi: and our old mate Mr Tom!
Lions & Cheetahs SHOULD have played against each other on Thursday…… like Affies this year the Bulls CW side is massively overrated……
@Speartackle: and a Glenwood 6th team player will make the Academy side!
Die gebabbel oor transformasie en watter spelers waar hoort is eintlik net ‘n mors van tyd en energie want nie een van julle kan iets aan span keuses doen nie. Nou word almal kwaad vir mekaar en beskuldigings word heen en weer gespuug met ‘n titsel bitter gal daarby. Genade mens sal sweer julle is kinders, Is dit die beste voorbeeld wat julle vir julle kinders kan stel? Veroordeel en oordeel, net soos ek nou doen, laat my wonder…wie sê jou standaard is reg?
Ek persoonlik gaan nie eers die moeite doen om die Craven Week verder te kyk nie want julle het my so negatief oor skolerugby dat ek my seuns gaan oorreed om eerder ‘n sport te kies om aan deel te neem en rugby te los.
Kwezi Mafu was disappointing this year….it’s like he didn’t want to be there……
I hope Simelane doesn’t become another “fraud” after school….we all know what happened to another school boy prodigy @13…..Mjekevu was a beast at KES but look what happened to his rugby career……
Grey Free State should beat that Bulls/Garsies/Affies side by more than 50 points……
I was blown away by that big Grey College 12….the sky is the limit for this lad….Rikus Pretorius is an outstanding player….he could play Super Rugby in the next few years…..crazy talent……
@Speartackle: Weet jy al watter top 20 spelers is oppad Frankryk toe na skool? R55,000 pm, al is dit omskep in Euros, motor- selfs linkerstuur en akkommodasie, is nie te versmaai vir n jong mannetjie nie. Weet egter nie of ek met daai bronne veel in rugby belang sou gestel het nie. Frans aanleer, beslis.
Green against Willemse sounds like a tasty clash….one would hope the both of them don’t end up looking like Curwin “Earl Rose” Bosch especially defensively…..
PJ Steenkamp was a disgrace….surprised the media announced his move to the lions…one would think he’s the best Under 18 lock in SA…..
@Speartackle: Na hierdie “huldeblyk” van jou, is ons seker nou quits na my traanbesaaide relaas oor jou, n paar jaar gelede.Ou@AbsolutMenlo: is maar nuut en hy probeer nog gatkruip waar hy kan. Hy sukkel maar ook met die leeswerk, en dan is hy nog boonop moerig omdat die BB so sleg gespeel het. Nou sal ek hom spite en bly. En as hy verder moeilikheid soek, sal ek vir hom n ekonomiese en politieke vooruitsig gee. En dit nadat die VS vir hulle op hulle moer gegee het. En die mannetjie in die Kaap kan bly wees dit is nie teen hulle nie, want dan het hy en n renoster weer resies gejaag na n bottel Red Heart- uit verdriet.
There will be 76 unhappy dads and moms whose sons didn’t make either teams
1 player who hasn’t played any Tier 1 school opposition yet will make SA Academy
There will be only be 5 shocking selections for SA Schools and 7 for SA Academy
WP by 19
OFS will put up 70 against the Bulls tomorrow
If I look at the physique of some of those CW coaches, I can understand the standard of their teams.
@Speartackle: Lol
Nee wat ou Bog is al deel van SBR nog lank voor van julle al geFrikkie het. Dit sal bitter oninteressant wees sonder hom. Ek dink die wat hom nie kan verdra is maar jaloers op sy geweldige rugby en algemene kennis….agter all hy is n GOB……..Blerrie Oud Grey………Bekwame Oud Grey…….Bedonderde Oud Grey of Beloved Old Grey…….noem hom wat jy wil maar ou Bog bly maar koning van SBR.
I honestly believe that rugby should be left to itself. There are sufficient players of quality to ensure that a representative team(s) is selected. BUT then we need to get rid of quotas. I read this morning that there must be a 50-50 representation in the SA squad. That is a quota which in turn means that somewhere along the line players (white or black) need special dispensation to make the team. That is an insult. Until we get rid of quotas we will be stuck with the perception that some players in a squad get there because of considerations other than there sporting ability.
@BOG: You were right about einie mienie. No doubt FS should have been playing better sides and been in the “semis”. It would have been great to see them up against WP or Lions. I’m not sure how they get the draw right though, as so much can change in a season especially in the smaller unions etc. So I’m not sure what relevance last year is, but the fact is FS are rarely weak.
@BOG: I think you should depart … and the blog will be a better place!
@Ringo: You threatened to depart. Keep your promise, please.
@Bush: Boys are unbelievably good been cutting apart teams for the past 5 years only lost 4 games in age group rugby for Jeppe and less than 10 in opens only 2 this year and in fact last year when we lost to Kes Green was injured and Wandi was in stellenbosch as part of the U18 SA A team.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: generally these boys have had us in awe all season and most of their high school careers. In my biased opinion these two Jeppe boys are preordained future boks
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: Team has been selected long ago……they just looking for a real surprise or 2
I wonder if the selectors consider season form or just the weeks form?
@Ringo: @Ringo: Thanks, the two boys from Jeppe (10 and 13) have been amazing at CW. They must have cut other teams apart in JHB. I’m so keen for the final tomorrow. The two teams play different styles of the game so its going to be good.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: I apologise if I seem to be accusing you of anything I am definitely not.
Just inferring from the number of occasions that I have been told on this platform that certain opinions are shared by the majority.
@Bush: no race war is being started by me…. I promise you I never want to comment on anything other Kes Jeppe on this blog however I can’t help it if I pick up a threads with undertones of racial bias and history denialsm.
But anyway I apologise if offended anybody other than racist.
I do however wish to stress that I mean to offend all racists and their pre concived notions on who loves and watches rugby
@McCulleys Workshop: Curwin Rose made Mafu look good last year….lol
@Speartackle: Maybe 2 generations…..who knows…
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Interesting that you chose Richardson at 6. No room for Mafu this year! Isn’t he the incumbent SA Schools No8?
@Speartackle: No oke from Glenwood
same thing 
@Ringo: I think you fuel the fire on hatred of certain race groups. I don’t believe at all that any of the players of colour that are at CW are disadvantaged or underprivileged. If they are how did they get to CW and AW. You will soon see that been coloured in SA will not be African enough. I’m sure the majority of us on this blog want the best for SA Rugby and School Rugby no matter colour or race. Give the political messages a miss and lets rather focus on the rugby and how well the boys are doing.
Do you remember WP League that use to enter a side in Craven Week during the 80/90’s amazing side with fantastic players. I watch them at Craven Week 1990 and was amazed that they played such great rugby. Never did I ever sit there thinking that they are Coloureds playing a WHITE MAN’S game. I was 17 then. Sport is a barrier breaker not a separator
@Ringo: All i am saying is that the system works and we can pick a team based on merit. Please dont make any false accusations…
@Bush: Good….then it wasn’t a dutchman
I wonder how many more years will it take for all those chipped shoulders to heal??????
@Speartackle: No all those times are for AW, CW final at 15H15.
@Bush: So the AW and CW finals same time?
Pathetic……can only be a dutchman organising it
@BoishaaiPa: Your comment smirks a bit of false modesty. WP are incredibly strong, hope its not a blowout and in the end Rugby is the winner both teams are deserving, it should be a marvellous game.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Calling any of the players selected not just the ones we rate highly quotas is the shameful act. The boys do not pick themselves for these weeks and I trust put in immense effort to try compete at these weeks however maybe come up short.
However I genuinely believe with the right effort from all stakeholders if rugby is grown organically in the grassroots rural and township areas we would have a lot more Moerats, Giannis, Wandis, Mannis, Curwins and many others.
However there is a certain group of people and it seems they are the majority on this blog who seem to believe that the colour of your skin is the predetermining factor in terms of where your potential may take you and while these people are still the majority of rugby decision makers the racially determined minimum number of players requirements will persist (while it is a very populist and short term fix to wider societal problems) it is currently the only means we have to force these decision makers to look at players who they would have never seen and they are forced to open doors to communities that in these peoples minds never thought were interested in rugby and you know what it has unearthed some gems while at it too ( like a kid from Soweto who has been dazzling rugby lovers in the midlands this past week).
The caveat is that many have such high levels of hatred towards certain races that they would rather front/window dress and use ill prepared people for high roles so that they can make sweeping statements about the rugby playing ability of an entire race or say look how they have failed; and in that we find the genesis of the quota: be it rugby player or accountant
@Speartackle: Spear Toti don’t need a lover they need fighters.
Some games AW are been played at Kearsney and Glenwood. Final games at Kearsney AW 13h35, Glenwood AW 12H50
Give me a call if your Bantam breaks down, will tow you easy with my Toyota
@Bush: I might be on the bench for Toti’s next game…….I can do lots of positions…….
@Bush: Thanks ou Bushie but I was only joking regarding the lift. My Bantam will make it there.
Do you know what time is the AW final?
Where can we see the times for tomorrow?
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: With the team you choose, consideration could also be players that can play more than one position. JJ can play 8, I would look at the Free State 13 as he can play wing. Fly Half that could move Full Back. Things like that, will make your bench stronger.
1 MacBeth / Eloff
2 PJ Botha / Larkan
3 Maritz (Pumas) / Beukes (FS)
4 Pieterse (BB) / Van Tonder (FS)
5 Moerat / Vermaak
6 Snyman / Pretorius (Valke)
7 Uys / Venter
8 Sirgel / Horn (WP AW)
9 Carstens (WP) / Kruger (FS)
10 Willemse / Green
11 Hufke (Griquas)/ ?
12 Simelane (al die kwaliteite nodig) / Pretorius (FS)
13 Ras / Oliphant (EP)
14 Adonis / Mavovana
15 Lombaard / Van Reenen
@Speartackle: Morning Spear, have you found a lift from Toti to Botha’s Hill tomorrow. Or must I come pick you up? You can’t miss the final day tomorrow.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Totally agree!
@AbsolutMenlo: Hence me being so glad that ALL these players are there on merit!!!
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: We as SBR supporters should refrain from using the term “quotas” and only see SBR players. Good example is the sevens team for the Olympics.
I would pick the following:
1) Bezuidenhout (WP) & Eloff (Bulls)
2) Erasmus (Bulls) & PJ Botha (Lions)
3) Van Rooyen (Sharks); Posthumus (SWD)
4) Havenga (Lions) & Van der Mescht (Sharks)
5) Moerat (WP) & Vermaak (Lions)
6) Richardson (KZN) & Snyman (Lions)
7) Venter (Free State) & Uys (WP)
.8) Ncusane (WP) & Jacobs (Lions)
9) Burger (WP) & Lions 9
10) Willemse (WP) & Green (Lions)
11) Mavovana (WP) & ?
12) van der Schuyff (Bulls) & Holtzhausen (Sharks)
13) Simelane (Lions) & Ras (WP)
14) Adonis (Bulls) & Du Plessis (WP)
15) Lombaard (WP) & Van Reenan (Bulls)
The WP & Free State No8 are knocking hard too…
So good to see a team picked on merit automatically fill the quota targets/numbers as well.
I think its so shameful calling some of these players quotas…
My side with some obvious KZN bias…
1) MacBeth (Lions) & Eloff (Bulls – where is he though?)
2) Larkan (WP) & PJ Botha (Lions)
3) Van Rooyen (Sharks) & Neethling (WP)
4) Havenga (Lions) & Van der Mescht (Sharks)
5) Moerat (WP) & Vermaak (Lions)
6) Richardson (KZN) & Snyman (Lions)
7) Venter (Free State) & Uys (WP)
8) Sirgel (Border) & Jacobs (Lions)
9) Burger (WP) & ?
10) Willemse (WP) & Green (Lions)
11) Mavovana (WP) & ?
12) Marais (WP) & Holtzhausen (Sharks)
13) Simelane (Lions) & Ras (WP)
14) Adonis (Bulls) & Du Plessis (WP)
15) Lombaard (WP) & Van Reenan (Bulls)
@Playa: My good man big words like facetious might confuse old Matty’s tiny whiney baby born free brain….. See how I am world renowned accountant I know these things
In my eyes you are still one of the few true and consistent voices of reason on this platform Mr Playa aluta my brother aluta!!!!
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Ek sal speel.
1 Macbeth
2 BB
3 Pumas
4 Moerat
5 Lions / 19 van die BB
6 Lions
7 WP
8 WP / Border
9 Gora
10 Lions
11 WP
12 FS
13 Eish – Simelane Ras FS
14 WP
15 WP / Lions
@Roger: I never understood why our national hockey teams struggled so much at Olympics level while our schoolboys are world class….. but been told there is almost a nonexistent post schools Hockey structure hence the reason numbers simply dwindle….. any win in anything over Oz is brilliant though
Lets pencil a SA team….try not to be bias
Nathan Macbeth and the two PJ’s at Monnas are SA Schools for me. Bulls hooker wasn’t bad either.
@Roger: You right, PBHS are Bulls. 13 from Monnas makes them the bulk of the players and they provide most of the starters in the strongest side.
Great final on the cards, looking forward to some proper rugby. Dont follow SuperRugby anymore, waste of time.
@Grasshopper aka Alan Morrissey: ok – I miss the point then and have zero interest in debating it with you
what more NB is that our u18A side beat Aus 6-1 at hockey. Aus are the reigning Olympic and World champs and their hockey is number 1 – absolutely brilliant result.
@Rainier Vermaak aka AKW: The Cheetahs might battle upfront correct. Would be an interesting match. The Bulls Cheetahs game will be a good indicator.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: stick your neck back in then
Lions are superbly coached and have proper gees – great team vibe and big up to Carl Spilhaus and coaches.
I am going to stick my neck out and say Coach Akkers and the “B” team will beat the Jaguares and the Craven Week team will avenge the AW team’s last minute loss to WP and win by 5
@Speartackle: Your MPD will make it difficult for you to blog under 1 name…..
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Careltjie……I think you are spot on……..OFS will even beat WP………And that Stott field is taylormade for them with all the shades
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: I love the FS and the way they play, but the Lions pack edge them in the tight five and loose forwards, as well as at 10. The centre PAIRING of the FS has the edge and the back three is a wash.
Edge to the Lions.
@Grasshopper: um – PBHS forms part of the Blue Bulls and has no relevance to Lions rugby. The top schools in the Lions region which provide the bulk of the players to CW, AW and GK selections are Monnas, Jeppe, KES, Helpmekaar, Florida with a smattering from Parktown, Saints, Marais Viljoen, Bennies etc. I see there is a player this year from Northcliff – brilliant. The wider the base the better for the Lions.
KES may have had a few weaker years by their standards but still provide 9 players in the CW and AW teams. If Travis Gordon was not injured he would be there too. KES will have a very strong 1st XV next year.
I see we shall start blogging under our own names but I was born Speartackle as my mom and dad were in the credit card position when I was conceived.
But anyway however well done to the Lions, they played great rugby but I do not think they can take on WP. It will give me hours of pleasure if they do and save me from spending the whole Saturday night at the Wonder Lounge.
But join us on Twitter too, there are some good banter on there as well……@Speartackle1…………specially with Ploegskaar with his over-emotional fixation with some WP players.
@akw: I am going to stick out my neck and say……….the Cheetahs is better than the Lions…i will probably get a lot of flack for this, but maybe an interesting point of discussion…..let me hear what you guys have to say……..only mature answers please :):)
@Roger: You miss the point every time, if the policy and term ‘quota’ is removed by the government then the whole team can be black and no-one would care, as long as it’s selected on merit.
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: And then you are not even mentioning the FS 13….
@Carl de Kock aka Calamari: Good man, me too. Tired of people hiding behind avatars. Beast, Boerboel and all the other idiots on this blog.
Interesting observation: a team of colour vs an all white team….i personally think looking at this year’s talent…..will not be surprised if the team of colour wins such a clash.
@Die Ken: Jy vergeet van Grens.
Laerskool, sekondere skool, waar ek bietjie help met afrigting en waar my susterskinders gespeel het.
Carstens too slow for me, he does bring something different to the game, but he will need to be way quicker with his passes otherwise the loosies of the Lions will have a field day. I think the chap that started the first game did better, might loose some strength in defense though.
Think the WP vs Lions game wil be a cracker. Will be interesting to see how the opposing teams try to neutralise the playmakers and use the ball in hand (which will be gold).
I can see that the week has more than enough excellent centres – enough for at least 3 SA school teams. Similar with other backline positions. Forwards the issues with versatility. Some props good in scrums, but rucks and mauls an issue & vice versa. Have at least 2 excellent locks. Loosies also a bit of a mix and match. Most want to only run with the ball and neglect the groundwork and tactical aspects. Some are very good defenders, but lack versatility. Saw a lot of good prospects for next year, with many still in AW.
Looking forward to great match-ups tomorrow.
@McCulleys Workshop: He was good, but I will reserve my opinion until Saturday.
For me the 3 scrumhalves I really liked is Carstens from WP, the Pumas 9 and Gora from the Griffons.
@BrotherBear: Afrikaans schools rugga maybe, Jeppe having an occasional good year, KES & PBHS quite weak. Monnas & Helpies propping up the Lions really.
@BrotherBear: that’s ridiculous – what’s his issue? Hope he is banned for the remainder of the tournament.
Agree on Lions rugby – in a great place right now.
Congratulations Lions … by far the better TEAM on the day and I will back the Gauteng team for the Final! Go Lions!! 13 was exceptional!
BB will always be competitive but in order to win the big games the region/schools need to unite!
Morning gents. Real name revealed as well.
How will the SA school selectors choose between Manny Ras (last year SA’s already) as well as Simelane that has had a brilliant CW so far….or will there be space for both?
Seems WP will have to play most of the SA School side on Saturday…I hope they don’t get thumped to hard!
Wow, what a performance by the Lions yesterday. To all the schools involved – well done. Especially Helpmekaar, Monnas and Jeppe – forming the backbone, grunt and flair. I questioned Green and Simelane’s defensive ability, but need question no more. The Bulls never gave up and came back hard during phases, but Lions defense was solid. Agree with @Hooit that Lions school rugby healthy. Gk team and Puk U/19 teams played in finals. Narrow loss to WP (2 points) keeping Lions AW out of finals and now CW team should be in finals.
One thing the officials must be quite strict on is the poor discipline and overly aggressive behaviour. The Bulls no 15 (Garsfontein) should have received a red card for a very dangerous tip tackle. He and no 2 only got yellow. Then after game he (15) hits a Lion player in the face. This type of behaviour cannot be tolerated, made worse as the same player was suspended for several weeks by SA rugby for similar actions earlier this year. Our children play rugby (which is already very physical) and don’t participate in cage fighting. We don’t need these “elements” in the sport. Hope his school is also doing something about this type of behaviour – let’s see.
Die manne wat nog nie weet wie ek is nie, julle kan my op Twitter volg as @kenloos, oftewel “Jou Baas”, oftewel “Ploeg wil soos Die Ken wees”, oftewel, “Spies is lief vir Die Ken” en so kan ek aangaan..
@akw: En ek dog jy’s die man met die drie-ledige persoonlikheid wat Garsies, GCB en Marlow support? Nou sien ek jy’s Vermaak!!!!
@Hooit: Ons het al saam gedrink, saam met swaerie Gerber.
Vra hom.
@Grasshopper: grass fixation trying to justify his beloved gw ,s hammering by a very average monument by lauding the lions??????
@Hooit: @akw: No comment on the Lions 9? I thought his passing was spectacular and created time and space for Green.
@Die Ken: Hoe ken ons mekaar of meer eerder jy my?
@akw: Alot of people on the blog know me already. If we play we can meet.
@akw: great post! I have been lobbying to change the avatars to real names for a while, it helps to irradiate the trolls and idiotic comments. You wouldn’t get bloggers degrading kids publicly etc. I know many on this blog dislike my passion for Glenwood, but that is fine. I would rather be passionate about it than not actually support any school and just stir the pot. I agree with your comments too, Lions pack by far the best in the tourno. The Monnas guys are really putting their hands up. For KZN Richardson & Holtzhausen must be in the selectors minds, potentially Renier Van Rooyen too. I never said Moerat was no good, just that he doesn’t stand out like say Etzebeth or PSDT does in the Boks. He seems more of a quiet worker, nothing wrong with that. The unofficial final will be very interesting indeed.
@Matty: I think he was just being facetious mate.I found it hilarious
@Hooit: Nie die 1e keer nie….swak!
@matty aquita meaning a quota but you get the gist of it right
@BOG: Invaluable your insight into everything really is and you know what when you preaching to the choir all you hear is a chorus of cheers and adulation. Weĺl done maybe very well done anything else maybe another well crafted implied monkey comment could round up your logic.
@Matty: Sarcasm try it works to highlight the stupidity of things people say on this platform. I refer to all non-whites including myself as quotas because that is the common flawed logic/narrative that people follow on this platform whenever a teams losses blame it on the quotas.
If a team list is released and you see a thsepo instead of a wynard and most immediately bleet tshepo is a bloody quota. That type of person immediately in my eyes has no value to add in the plight to make our country great and they should emigrate immediately run as quickly as possible and do not let the door hit you on the way out. But you are right what I say on this platform is not a representation of the thoughts of the old boy community and more especially the school. But they are my own. If you read what I post and misunderstand my sarcastic reference a talent like Wandi or Gianni as aquita can I make a sweeping pronouncement that bloggers not associated your stupidity with Jeppe
@theblackandwhite: wow did not know that really makes what he has done in France even more special. He was good player that Scot and the move to France was insipired. Heard a lot from guys from English schools who matriculated around the sametime I did with some rugby ability both black and white who said if you did not speak “Die Taal” your chances in our structures diminished. Necessary evil quotas are.
@akw: very well said and bow to your bravery…. I only adorn my keyboard machete when I read the consistent anti-african and clandestine swart gevaar gabage that most people put on this platform….. For the most put I would have loved this to be a platform where I could fixate on my sole life obsession Jeppe wins over Kes but alas
@akw: That is the post of the year. Give that man a bells!
@Hooit: As die ouens van die BB skole mekaar so vat op die blog kan ek dink hoe moeilik moet dit gaan om die kinders as ‘n span te laat speel, miskien ‘n les vir almal. Ek moet se dit mag dalk in die kaap ook so gaan maar ek het dit gelukkig nog nie hier ervaar nie. Sure Gim en Bois het hulle dinge maar daar is respek.
Geluk met jou span en jammer oor die volgende game? Dit behoort ‘n goeie een te wees. As julle die WP voor kan stil hou gaan dit close wees. Jammer om te hoor van die nonsens na die wedstryd, en daai seun het my beindruk.
Guys, this thread is an embarrassment to ourselves and this blog. Nobody is talking about the games but about all the other shit in the world. I believe it is because we hide behind pseudonyms – I am going to ask Beet to change my blog name to Rainier Vermaak, my real name. And I challenge the rest of you to do the same, instead of staying keyboard warriors hiding behind keyboards and anonymity.
Just a few rugby observations, if I may.
I love the play of the Border 8, he has made a huge impact in both games thus far.
The Lions 10 and 13 are outstanding, with the 14 and 15 not far behind.
The Lions 1 has proven me right, and he does enough in the tight loose.
The Pumas 3 is brilliant in the tight loose, but vulnerable in the scrums.
The FS 12 and 13 are great as a pair, and the tight forwards handle the ball very well in creating space for the outside backs. The FS has had 2 easy games, but. the style and pace will be a challenge for any team at the CW.
Moerat is a great lock and will play for the Boks one day.
The BB team was always going to be an unhappy amalgamation between 2 teams that play totally opposing game plans and patterns and this disconnect was clearly visible today.
@Jps 10 Baie dankie vir die info….lekker leesgenot vir die nag, blog is stil, hoop’ie die Leeus kuier te hard nie, saterdag is om die draai…..vind uit wie die “indian” is met die WP games & hou haar/hom stil, dink da le die “krag”…….hehehe
@Matty: Simelane definately SA Schools. Green should be but with the ‘pre’ CW selection that happens every year I doubt if he will get anything. Goid point you made that with the current pack of forwards they play even better. Alot of credit must go to the Lions forward pack. They give the backline enough ball to play with and stay out of the backline’s way. Even after today’s performance I think there will be more Bulls in the SA team than Lions.
Match stats and details!!!!
If you are looking for the results and detailed stats of the games played so far go to the SARU website – http://www.sarugby.co.za. under tournaments/youthweeks. Then select either CW or AW and the year 2016.
You will get all the results, the team sheets, who scored the points, who has scored the most points and tries to date, etc.
My god Ringo you are an embarrassment not only to yourself but to Jeppe. Hypocrite, speaking in the same way as some of the people you mentioned. Please fellow bloggers do not think this world famous accountant has anything to do with the values of Jeppe.
However, well done to all the lions today but most importantly to Green and Simelane. There is still much work to be done but these boys look the real deal, they seem even more potent behind a much more effective pack than the one they have at school. Proud Old Boy today- Forti Nihil Difficilius.
@Playa: pity I did not watch these games today. The Falcons, mostly EG Jansen players, has a pretty strong and unpredictable team. They can play very well one day like today but not always possible to keep up this momentum for 3 games in one week. They do not have a big pool of the powerful rugby schools to choose from like the bigger unions. This is the same when it comes to rugby festivals. The depth starts to become a problem when injuries starts to take its toll.
@Roger: That’s an impressive result!!!
@Ringo: Green and Simelane brilliant – role on KES Jeppe next term – two truly transformed schools. BTW – did anyone notice that the SA U18 hockey team drilled the Aussies 6-1 with 6 “quotas” in the team – two from Jeppe??
@BOG: Ek stem saam. Lions en Vrystaat moes teen mekaar gespeel het. Vrystaat is geboor.
@jakes: The Falcons vs Limpopo game was my game of the day.Evenly contested and a good show of skills from both sides.The result could have gone either way.The Valke 10 was very good,and so was the Limpopo 15.
Wow it seems that the Helpmekaar/Monument combination (Lions) team gave the Affies/Garsfontein combination ( Blue Bulls) team a hiding as per comments on another blog. RUGBY really looks good at Monument and Helpmekaar and Lions Rugby overall. The Falcons / Limpopo Blue Bulls seems to be the most exciting game today with the Falcons running away with it at the end.
Baie mooi Leeutjies. Monnas, Helpies, KES, Jeppe ens. Puik wenne. Simelane very good, but my money is on Tyrone Green for a star of the future. En ook paar ander Monnas en Helpies spelers. My Cravenweek is gemaak. Maar ek het dit voorspel toe 9 Affies en 9 Garsies gekies word.
Muzi, Muzi come in!
@Rugbymal: I don’t think we’ll hear much from him today.Especially after Simelane had such a great game
Just to some info on the poor discipline by the Bulls. While shaking hands afterwards the Bulls number 15 from Garsfontein hit the Lions number 8. As if the spear tackle was not enough.
@Andre T: Baie dankie. Net gewag vir my seun. Hy moes eers n urine monster laat neem het. Lions 10 and 13 best at tournament so far. With the right forwards doing their job players like Mark can play their natural game. Did an ‘inexperienced’ u17 prop just handed out some scrum lessons to a SA player?
@Ringo: Howzit bud, his marks are good enough. This kid has shown so much character up to now, I don’t think the quota system will hold him back. I think what might be the problem is that he could probably play for the Lions at 10,12 or 15. Almost like Lambie. Also, just to set the record straight – Scott Spedding did not come from a particular affluent home, he was a bursary student at St. John’s (played SA Schools Rugby and Cricket), he also worked blimming hard to get his rewards. When he first got to France he set up one a big charity for under privileged kids in Johannesburg
@jakes: as a non parent one relied on this forum for news updates info on all school rugby etc but all you get nowadays is guys talking a load of $^_=
Muzi any comments after today Sir
@Rugbymal: yes I have clearly picked that up the last few weeks on this blog. 700 plus comments on this thread alone and you battle to find any results.
@jakes:this is no longer a rugby blog is a political I insult you affair.
Waar is Hooit?..ek dink jou seun het n moerse game vandag gehad…..well done
Maybe I have missed something but how is it possible that no results of any games are being given by anyone on this blog?
@robbie: Comments 505 & 507 verwys
Wandisile Simelane has to be the best player of this week so far. A real class act.
Ploegskaar – you’re talking in circles. Weet nie waarvan jy praat nie.
@Ringo: GOB? Yeh, very honest of you. You sound like a crossed clone of Zuma and Billary Clinton. Take a deep breath of Doom and disappear- to Zim or the DRC.
Right boss – Rugby Gods
Never a dull day with ou Grassy around
Lions were full value today.I can’t wait for the encounter vs WP on Saturday.May the right boss please prevent a blow out similar to last year’s one.
Valke also very impressive.My beloved Border looked happy to take a loss which was disappointing.
Well Done Lions, machine stuff. See you Saturday. Sleep tight everyone. Was lekker chatting and pulling the piss. Take care
come on boys! let try something without GW in it. What a awesome game by the Lions. Fantastic rugby and must say Simelane must be a dead certainty for SA. Pity the BB did not enjoy the “in your face” game. Unfortunately it cost them. Very little seen of the BB backline. They will be back and I feel sorry for the next team playing them. Only discipline needed.
But wow again!!! well done Lions. You made daddies proud today
@Grasshopper: I heard GW already bought him…..He is the next big thing at lock
@pietretief: go find King Dingane….
@Bush: he passed away 2 years ago ?
@Grasshopper: @Bush: Please get a room
@Grasshopper: I am your father
@Bush: no you haven’t and I too am happy to use my real name and not hide behind anything. Most bloggers know who I am…
Please lets speak positive and enjoy schoolboyrugby………
No need to talk about anything else besides rugby itself?
@Grasshopper: I’ve told you who I am. I don’t need to hide behind a pseudonym. Go and Google more kuk about GW so you can post it on this rugby blog.
@BOG: Even when I agree with you and white is always right logic. You choose to stand on your soapbox and bleet the first racist bit drivel that comes into your mind. Plus I was talking of a GOB. You are right we quotas are just nothing but a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, greedy no rugby playing ability bastards what else do you want.
It still is very nice to see a team full of quotas like HJS beat your lily white Grey. But one swallow does not …. well you know everything so finish that saying for me will you.
@Grasshopper: Look to be honest if this was not my home for which I am willing to die to defend “#thethirdrevolutioniscoming” you will see. I have to saw a decisions taken by people like you which is very sensible and probably in the long run will be the best thing for you and your family. For me you seem like rat jumping of sinking ship and its big scary ocean out there and you know what this ship is not sunk yet not by long way.
@Toffee: From what I heard the boy is not dumb at all decent marks but apparently has the mouth of a sailor but other than that would qualify for varsity. But in this system as it currently stacked he may fall foul of his whiteness, hence maybe life in the UK where he will not be tuanted as preordained next rugby superstar might give him that chip on the shoulder that makes him a superstar. Its not easy to be at the top in any sport you need to work very hard and sometime being in enviroment where people think very highly of you makes you complacent but I do not know I am not an oracale. But I am Scott Speding from SJC seemed to make it alright in France. Although he comes from money so probably daddy made life over there bareable which made it easy to focus at the task at hand. Remember the reason Mr Speding left was not because of his skin colour but because he could not speak “die Taal”
@Bush: The use of the term kuk, spelt like that is a dead give away for who you are…
Dit is nou jammer maar die BB is nou besig om uit die bus te val. Hulle speel nou teen hul self.
@OudUppie: Soos Simelani die BB nou pak gee kan die Vrystaat dalk die BB kry, kom ons hoop so maar ek twyfel. Hierdie klomp hoenderkoppe sal seker die Pumas nader hark?
@Grasshopper: Jis well done Hopper. Bloody great school GW. Fantastic stuff, please send more kuk like that. Start a new thread OGA or BIG.
@Stier: Stem 100% saam – skande daf FS geoordeel moes word op verlede jaar se span se vertoning.. Kan regtig nie verstaan dat manne wat by skolerugby betrokke is nie hierdie tiepe goed kan begryp nie. Hopenlik kry FS darem sterk opposisie vir Saterdag.
@boerboel: Here is a picture that will make you and your Glenwood hating cronies very happy, http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/2016-craven-week-glenwood-boys-coaches
@Stier: Ek verwag nie dat veel hier, die moed sal he om op daardie kommentaar van jou, te reageer nie. Inderdaad, is die Vrystaat geboor.
@Ringo: Thanks boet, it’s Hopper not Hooper, selective reading again. I’m very happy with my decision to go back to the UK. At least I won’t have to put up with quotas, BEEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEBEB and other types of reverse racism and manipulation. Enjoying the Lions vs Bulls game, Affies/Garsies vs Monnas/Helpies…
@Bush: You better explain to him in more detail what you mean by an “L”. I already have visions of him standing on the N2 in Toti, showing his middle finger to the oncoming traffic, and then wondering why no one is offering him a ride. Remember, the man comes from Vrede.@Ringo: Oh, I see that you have appointed yourself as the local Mr Popular. I think that you may be surprized to know how many would give you a very excited send-off to the DRC on a one way ticket. Much like the senior and young rugby players are doing. Unlike you, with your head up your ass, they recognise a sinking ship and have something better in mind than SA playing Namibia and Zim. Why dont go and help you soulmate, Bob Mugarbage get out of his hole. It should give you good experience for the future in SA.
Hoekom speel Cabous Eloff nie, of hy speel maar ek kyk hom mis…
@robbie: Self maar lekker saam met jou tjom @Spier gister gekerm dat die beste WP 9 kwansuis Akademie speel. Die string boodskappe gister vanuit verskeie oorde van oudspelers, HP bestuurders en coaches vertel egter ‘n ander storie. Feit is, stert gaan nie meer die hond swaai nie. Beste 6 en 8 speel wel Akademie, daaroor is geen twyfel
@Ringo . Your Tyrone Green has stood out as one of my top 10 of the games I have watched. If he is not offered a contract then he should look at going the Varsity Cup route if his academics are up to scratch. I dont believe going straight overseas is in the interest of most young players. I have seen a few do it and fail badly. Besides suddenly having to operate in a professional environment they are also having to cope with new surroundings/language and being away from family support structures. Rather develop via Varsity Cup where you have a chance to be seen.
@Oakdale supporter: Dit gaan n man op n perd vat om n volsterkte Oakdale span op Riversdal te klop.
Eish the stuff Jeppe old Boy nightmares are conjured of occurred on Tuesday as both Tyrone Green and Wandi played unbelievably good games Wandi is a definate shoe in for SA schools being quota selections obviously
Tyrone might be a victim of his whiteness but to be honest the triplet from Dale/Border and Willimse from PR/WP are good 10s. Then you also have the quintessential old school Afrikaaneer number 10 which is the De Swart from the Bulls/Affies, I then start struggling to find an SA schools spot for Mr Green especially at number 10. Maybe I should put forward the fact that boy can speak fluent Setswana that gets him somemore points on the scorecard and increases his chances to be a deserving white player helping the inept quotas he will be stuck with on SA schools team. But to honest the boy always knew that competion for SA schools number 10 would be incredibly tight. Hence the move to fullback this season in the Jeppe 1st XV, the emergance of a certain Mr Lombaard from HJS/WP made that position more competitive plus Mr Lombaard is quota so he too slides right into the SA schools team I mean these bloody quota players you can’t seem to get rid of them ag that means another deserving very talented white kid misses out even one who is loved by a quota like myself.
I am a genuine believer in Mr Green’s rugby abilities reminds me a little of a certain Mr Mckenzie from the chiefs it unfortunate that his rugby ability may not be the criteria that determine his elegibilty for higher honours. Which may be a blessing in disguise for him. I mean if he is not picked for SA schools or contracted by the incompetent quota ran unions he may get a big money offer from a French team, as TJ kid I can only root for him to use his god given talent to improve the lives of his family.
Selfishness along with greed, being corrupt and an absolute lack of rugby ability are common quota traits. It is with a very selfish self-interested quota hat on I secretly hope none of the Jeppe boys get selected for SA schools that way we can have as strong a team as possible against Kes and the boys must have chips on both shoulders to give them balance and perspective. However the more likely outcome is that Nolo another one the Jeppe quotas who will be starting at hooker for the lions will probably also have blinder today well a blinder by quota standards at the farce called craven week.
Coupled with the fact that Hachivah our star number 8 got a season ending injury in our last game against Saint Johns Kes are now heavy favourites as always for the game on the 6th.
We will probably field our 3rd team against Kes cause unlike schools like GW our best players are the quota selections in the lions teams who may go on to be selected as quota selections for the SA schools teams right!!!!!!!
@MrHooper would you do us all a huge favour and take GOB with you on your new venture in the far greener and far more prosperous non- EU afflicted Great Britain. He really does make this blog a gutter.
Bon voyage Mr Hooper!!!!!
In closing I wish the Kes quotas all the best today hope they also play well so as to even the playing fields on the 6th of August go Mpheku go son and go that Kes prop as well, he seems a rather frightening prospects for soutie school boys maybe he should be an SA schools quota as well.
This blog this year in paticular has been a sad place really sad ome of the things that are sad on this platform.
I will proceed to stick my quota head in the sand and will make sure to close the door of my cage.
Leave you all with this for you to ponder: ” for as long you think Marnus Potgieter (Affies) is a better selection at outside centre than Wandisile Simelane (Jeppe) never having seen either player in your life, that is for how long we will need necessary evil like quotas so that Wandi can show you what he can do and if that means Marnus leaves for France/Japan/Scotland/Ireland or any either place his white priveledge will give him a foot up”
@robbie: Dis nou die Natallers wat mekaar aanvat. Ek weet die of dit veel beter is as die Noordvaal skole wat baklei oor wie speel teen mekaar en wie nie en dan moet ons nog tussenin na Bog en Playa se politieke fights ook luister. Miskien gaan dit volgende week beter. Oakdale is bv reg om vir Paarl Gim op Riversdal aan te vat. Gelukkig het ons hele span wedstryd fiks gebly die vakansie
@Stier:
As die Leeus en die Bulle draw (wat n goeie moontlikheid is) vm dan het die States n kans vir n plek in die final teen WP?
@Speartackle: I always enjoy company in my convertible Ossewa. I love the smell of Old Spice. But if you are struggling I will drive through to Toti to pick you up. Friends don’t leave friends behind. Just shout
Die Vrystaat is besig om die Luiperds te slag. CW sal moet begin meer moeite doen met die wedstryd bepallings dit is ‘n skande dat die Vrystaat nie die BB, Leeus of WP gaan speel nie. Hulle sal die Sharks slag en die bestes by CW ‘n baie harde game gee. Dit maak nie sin om ‘n komp soos die CW te hou en nie die bestes teen mekaar te laat speel nie. Sorry Vrystaat julle is geboor en verdien baie beter as dit.
@Bush: It’s okay bud, if you were afraid that I would have made your luxury car smell, I normally spray Old Spice on Saturdays
@Speartackle: I’m in Hilton this week, I know if you stand on the N2 facing Durban hand in the air showing “L” you will get a luxury bus to Botha’s Hill.
@Bush: Sorry, forgot to say please
@Die Ken: Vermaak se afwesigheid n moerse terugslag vir Leeus…….hy en PJ Botha behoort in SA Skole in te wals
@Bush: I need a ride to Kearsney with you on Saturday
Glenwood players are overrated and it showed against wp. The wings (11) positioning was horrible putting the fullback under pressure. Jj is a good player maybe he’ll be more influential next year would be shocked if he makes SA schools.
@Calamari: Ook Du Plessis, Steenkamp en Erasmus bd Bulle en McBeth, Botha en Snyman bd Leeus. Jammer Vermaak vd Leeus is beseer
As die BB en die Leeus so hard gaan fight soos ons hier op die blog gaan dit ‘n baie harde game wees met ‘n klomp rooi kaarte?
@boerboel: Vat sy keel
agreed-i want to discuss schoolboyrugby-not read the diary of a frustrated supernerd with a schoolfixation amongst others
lets ban him!!!!!
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: Dude dude dude…..please…..come on now….
@robbie: This was originally a KZN blog only….just FYI
@robbie: Dankie tog………..
Stem saam. Kom ons gesels oor spelers sonder om te beledig. Miskien moet Beet ‘n aparte blog stig waar GW en die res van die Natallers mekaar op hul eie tyd kan beledig. Kom ons bly by positiewe gesprekke.
@boerboel: I wonder is Sean Erasmus thinks that as I believe he is the one who brought JJ to Glenwood…
@Grasshopper:ok i will rephrase to podgy
the boy will unfortunately disapear after school-just bigger than the other schoolboys in a weak kzn environment-will be caught by other more skillful ,talented players
Manne om dop te hou in die laaste wedstryd vandag:
Eloff, Krause en van der Schuyff aan die kant van die Bulle
Simelane, Jacobs en Green aan die kant van die Leeus
Ek verwag oorlog!!
@h2o: you confused bugger, Westville is supposed to be an English school. There are plenty of hoppers in the Cape…
@Grasshopper: Let it go!!!!
Only 5 years ago…
Western Province 21 (7) vs Kwazulu-Natal 23 (5)
wie is die tannie wat so lawaai maak langs die veld…. ek kan sweer dat sy verantwoordlik was vir die Sarkies se swak spel
@akw: Viva
@Calamari: Dit is either dit of R600 vir die shrink….. het julle ook n sprinkaan daar in die kaap?
If the boys read this thread they will think it is a bunch of teenage girls posting.
Calling a boy fat on a blog is uncalled for.
…enige iets is beter as die gesanik van die natal manne en nou moet ek nog boonop n klomp opstelle ook hier lees, voel skoon of ek weer op skool is
@Calamari: nou waaroor wil jy dan praat?
Guys….lets please change the subject and not talk about the Natal, Sharks, admin. or their politics?
Surely we have way better things to talk about and enjoy?
@McCulleys Workshop: I am up for a beer anytime except Saterday after the game as the road back home is long.
@Valkie: Pumas or Valke vs Sharks. There are currently only 4 teams who stand out and they should play eack other Saterday. In no order WP, Free State, Bulls and Lions
@Stier: exactly why I said he shouldn’t be there, selective reading. Something many bloggers do here. Him & Vorster are not good enough. They both GW grade 10 imports.
@h2o: @Grasshopper: let’s just calm down and realise they struggling to keep up with others as a team. GW is more than likely best in KZN. But in country setup a bit behind. We will see in GW last few matches where they sit in the pile. Personally I think Affies and Grey beat them by 25.
@Bush: Spear is all smoke and mirrors. Got the badge of honor
Maybe I will slink up the hill and have a sing a long with old McCulleys. ( although I am reliably informed he is now tone deaf 
)
Guys….lets please change the subject and not talk about the Natal, Sharks, admin. or their politics?
Surely we have way better things to talk about and enjoy?
@Grasshopper: Weideman smoked Moerat and then he was quiet? What game did you watch? First ,Weideman is a total hooligan he got carded for a sinical and dangerous shoulder charge from the side ,late and the player wasn’t looking and he went for the head neck area. What makes it worse is that the ref missed the first one. Very early on in the match he did exactly the same thing to Ras but this time he was so late that the ref didn’t even see it and again it was on the neck head area with the shoulder. Just answer me this how did Moerat score and make the final offload for one of the tries if he was quiet? Then I don’t want to see him when he gets busy. And what did the Sharks locks do? I remember! not much they where to busy watching their props backsides being stuffed into their faces.
Like I said SANIX is not what everybody think, it’s not bad but totally over rated. Sharks got murdered by a far superior team just like Kirwin Bosch and EP got wipped in 2015. Luckily for you GW don’t play in the cape.
@h2o: Absolutely correct, Hopper only has one pair of glasses on. Boerboel vat sy keel
@McCulleys Workshop: Sounds awesome, please get Beet to hook us up. Maybe he can throw a Spear into it as well.
@Grasshopper: Stop being so blind and sensitive…. I will never attack a boy on this site they have not chosen themselves and give every ounce in the matches….. I am attacking you who cannot see Glenwood doing anything wrong….. I am going back to work so please carry on I will not miss much between now and your next 200 posts as they all have the same topic…….
@h2o: I’m just saying of the 9 GW boys there 6 are deserving and our best, 3 maybe lucky. Stop being disrespectful to those there who didn’t pick themselves. I mean twatboel calling boys fat is uncalled for. Hoping Matt Pollard recovers from his shoulder injury quick, going to need him next year…
I do not mind losing provided I honestly believe we put our best foot forward. WP play a high tempo game like the ABs. In order to counter that you need to dictate the pace of the game by at least gaining parity in the primary possession stakes and tight exchanges. You also need to have a balanced back row to compete at ruck time and slow the ball up. The pack that KZN put out failed dismally in that regard. 40 % played out of position and included a lock who is a fringe player and a penalty machine(duly got a yellow card). Meyer is an out and out lock and was lost at flank. Crowshaw was missed terribly. Against EP I counted at least 3 steals and more importantly he effected the quality of ball available to EP. WP scored 2 tries off a tighthead and a throw over the back of the lineout. With the KZN backrow at odds with itself, WP had total domination of the rucks. When you add that to a misfiring KZN tight 5 , the quality possession available to WP meant they could play their own high tempo game and the KZN defensive structures were in total disarray. I do want to take anything away from WP ( as we do with the ABs) but KZN were their own worst enemies. It was pointed out after the selections that the incumbent CW and specialist hooker had been unduly sidelined. What impact would he have had at scrum time , in the lineouts and in the tight exchanges. We will unfortunately never know. GW are a very good rugby school and have some very good players. This does not mean however that fringe selections are justified against the situation listed above. Surely there has to be some accountability and not wished away as ” a bad day at the office”. We are tired of that attitude.
With regard to the discussion on locks I think the kid ” Ryno” from the BBs woud put everyone in their place 
@Bush: I think you mean Monakali who played on the wing for the Lions last year – he is in matric but U19 this year so was not considered for Craven week.
When KES play Jeppe in the third term the clash between the two number 13’s – Monakali and Simelane – will be worth any entrance fee! The KES centre starting today (I think) is Mpheku who is only in grade 11 – another brilliant player, as is the KES prop starting today, Glade – also in grade 11.
Happy to say that Monakali, Mpheku and Simelane will all be staying at the Lions – the Union really has got it together over the last five odd years
@Rhino_67: Going back to the quota debate, it is entirely the Unions and Ministry of Sports responsibility to create rugby opportunities (facilities, CONSISTENT coaching, identifying talent and drafting them into clubs etc) at grass roots level, not the responsibility of Model C schools, which is where the Minister would like to be prescriptive and land the plane. And yet we are living with ‘quick wins’ of hijacking a few black players from the EC to ensure we make up the numbers. If we are complaining about the administration regarding the make and coaching of the CW teams, what hope is there for the actual development of the sport in KZN.
As ek moet raai, just a guess,
Laaste dag / Last day:
Pumas vs Free State,
Lions vs Sharks (Kzn)
Blue Bulls vs WP
…en die Valke?…..waar gaan die manne ingepas word?
@Grasshopper: Blablablabla……..Hopper not crying foul just facts that you have boys there through undue influence at cost of more deserving boys…… then stop trying to force GW down everybody’s throats…. you are making everybody hate GW with your biased view of the Glenwood Sharks rugby union….. nothing to do with Ville rugby they had a crap season ….
@Grasshopper: What will be your next confession-your granma locked you up in her cellar by night with a green/red and yellow blankie?
@Rhino_67: only met him once in Cape Town about 3 years ago to discuss Glenwood poaching & over aged players. He seemed a decent bloke. I’m back in Jozi today so can’t catch up with him.
@h2o: Westville bloggers every year…..crying foul….it gets so boring. Take all the Glenwood coaches and reps away and there will still be 6 plus GW players in the side. I don’t care how many GW have as long as KZN schools play to their potential and do well.
@boerboel: Twatboel, that is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this blog in 5 years. Pot kettle deluxe! ???
@Grasshopper: Grassy, if you know him personally maybe a beer with him sometime this week would be extremely insightful. Share any view if you get around to it.
@Grasshopper: Hopper that SA schools selection would depend if GW can sneak in a selector disguised as a person with propper rugby knowledge……… rugby is not just about GW.
Here is my CW side….
15- GW
14-GW
13- GW
12-GW
11-GW……. you start seeing the patern?????
@McCulleys Workshop: Beer would be nice. Only thing I can say for today is go Lions. My son in AW team( on bench played on Monday) and boy did we have a game against the WP yesterday. Man I think we could have won that one if it was not for poor defense in first half. For me match of the day at AW.
@Grasshopper: Chips on both shoulders?
get help
@Rhino_67: would love to hear what Sean Erasmus thinks of the differences in standards and setups as he has experienced both.
@Bush: yes and you went to House, very believable. I grew up in a one parent home on the Bluff, I know something about struggling and fighting to get to the stop.
@McCulleys Workshop: Coudnt agree more. Get the administration side right, select a TEAM on merit and we might start putting in performances worthy of one of the BIG 5 in SA Rugby.
@odie15 The KZN side is nothing like the WP setup where players are identified and nurched through the ranks.KZN gather on 3 occassions before trials are played with the supposed High performance individuals. No real analysis going into this selection at all and then once the Team is selected a few practice hits and we are then supposedly ready. At our last practice match in Pretoria, the Team didnt even have kit to play in. Poor admininistration I say.
@Grasshopper: Hopper I don’t wear one sided glasses. I hope for f sakes that all the GW players make the SA Side and a few from the AW make it into the SA A side. You have a past coach as a selector for SA Schools so anything is possible. Chew careful on that Egg sarmie Granny packed for you.
@Bush: I’ll get Beet to connect us on Saturday. We should organise a beer with Hooit and Riempies.
@Hooit: So he played SA last year, okay I got it all wrong, please don’t tell Hopper. I thought it was the Centre from KES that played SA last year. They both bloody good. There are 4 teams up there, Lions, BB, WP and Free State.
@Intense ZN: Prinsloo or Schwulst should be starting hooker, they actually play those positions at school. I wander what excuse Bush will have if a Glenwood player gets picked for SA Schools….
@McCulleys Workshop: Morning MW, how are you doing? I have neglected my work, I here at home today trying to catch up and make some money so I can pay my boys school fees for term 3. Daddy has to pay his son’s way
Will be there on Saturday, going to have a few cool drinks in the Beer tent after the final game. Are you going to be around on Saturday, would love to meet and have a cool drink with you.
@Bush: The Jeppe 13 who was MOTM was SA last year. The centre on the bench is from Kes but plays 12. Lions forwards going into the match with a weight and height disadvantage. Think the forwards will determine who wins this game. I think this is going to be the most physical and hardest game to date of CW. The winner to play WP and the loser should play Free State. They are the only 4 teams who deserves a spot in the final 2 games Saterday. Sharks or EP do not deserve a spot in the final 2 games
@odie15: Yes, Administration = Sharks union or KZN union.
@Grasshopper: I come from the wrong side of town Hopper. Dad drove a tow truck, Mom was a crane driver.
@McCulleys Workshop: You don’t think it starts with SHARKS union? More than 20 years now focussing on GC and top 5 schools players to be contracted to them?
@Intense ZN: a lot of what you said is true but from time to time you get a very average age group and i believe this is one of those.I have watched GW on 2 occasions and they are extremely average and i post after their Monnas game that if majority players are from GW, they will struggle at CW
@Grasshopper: Front row has been under pressure from day one. Nelani was like the 5th choice loosehead at trials. Yesterady he was going in on the hit before they even started to scrum so I think no matter what combination you have, they will always be under pressure. Maybe bring the AW hooker up and that will at least solve your hooker problem and maybe bring some stability to the frontrow – Just saying!
To be honest I thought Vorster was better than Nelani yesterday but he just couldnt last the match. Hobbled off with cramp I think.
The rest of the lineup is the best we have at Kearsney for the week!
@Bush: Morning Bush, are you going to the Lions game today?
@boerboel: Lol – GH, the saying is ‘stop while you are ahead’ in this instance, stop when you realise you have dug a very deep grave and no longer have a ladder.
The reality is that KZN in general has had a poor season and our schools have not fared well against schools from other provinces. That is just a fact. Whether it is a seasonal issue or the start of the widening gap between KZN and the Major League, who knows. However qudos to GWood for at least attracting top talent to KZN. My view is simple – the problem starts and ends with our administration.
@Bush: you can go swivel China! You and twatboel deserve each other…stuck up little rich boys where mommy and daddy pay your way…
Richardson impressed, and Crowshow i think was unlucky at some of the rucks for not getting more steal penalties.
My MOM …Reece Bezuidenhout….no1 from Province.
Lions is most certainly the form team of the CW as i think that SWD side is way better that they performed against the Lions.
Few interesting individual match ups in the Lions/Bulls game today – looking forward to it.
@Grasshopper: I asked Beet if he could set the blog up in Brail, it will be easier for me to read your shit. Now piss off, get your bacon and egg roll. Watch some rugby with your GW sunglasses on.
@Bush: boet, selective reading again. I thought Richardson was the KZN MOM, if we had 15 of him we would have been fine. Pepsi played well on Monday, Jared Meyer is the best captain & Curtis played very well in both games. Also thought the Nelani made a huge difference coming on for Vorster. My starting side for tomorrow.
Van Rooyen
Vorster
Nelani
JJ
Meyer (capt)
Richardson
Crowshaw
Pepsi
DHS kid
Curtis
Holtzhausen
Maduna
Lubbe
DHS wing
DHS fullback
Grassy sitting back trying to thumbsuck another bogus weight/length of a glenwood guy who was injured/taken by an alien etc
i am starting to feel sorry for this little chap-his whole world is imploding
@Hooit: That’s going to be a mean game. That Lion’s side is a lekker side. The Fly Half and 13 centre played well on Tuesday. I believe the KES number 13 who played SA last year was on the bench. I can understand that, the starting number 13 was awesome and he kicks bloody well for poles.
jammer, ek was verkeerd met my voorspelling tussen WP en Sharks,gese 20 punte @least,kon nie glo ek so ver verkeerd nie
@boerboel: There goes Hopper again. Singling the GW players, flip. DW I understand has hardly played any school rugby due to injury. Dirty player, off the ball specialist. The KZN number 5 was a machine yesterday. Both him and JJ keep the strength together in the tight 5. The others were lost.
See Hopper thats how you do it, take the GW blinkers off and add inspiration for the other schools players.
@Intense ZN: I read comments about focus to beat EP on Monday. The focus is to play in Craven Week. Beating EP is no bench mark you select a team to get through Monday. And your 1st choice team vs WP. Saying Natal team under prepared ……hmmm funny all these teams had same amount of time. A game everyone said was going to close. Does that mean we no nothing about rugby then?
Interesting match up today for the Lions vs Bulls game. On loosehead side for Lions you have u18 prop and lock and on tighthead side for Lions an under 17 prop and u 17 lock against an u18 SA schools prop and u18 lock.
@Intense ZN: mate, look at the Glenwood players in both sides, all are well conditioned. JJ is only carrying a little extra due to injury. Schwulst, O’neil, Van Rooyen, Lubbe, Holtzhausen, Maduna, Kruger etc all have very little body fat and high levels of muscularity.
@odie15: my post should read Salmaan is the benchmark, not isn’t.
@BoishaaiPa: And Jooste played lock when he was at Oakdale. Now he’s a top class hooker.
It was a hugely disappointing performance yesterday by KZN. Province were so much more committed and better coached. It was like night and day! H2O is correct in what he says around selection and the selectors. We need to select boys based on performance through the season and don’t ever select out of position. Does no one any favours! The player is normally the one that is disadvantaged the most as he normally fails and this could have a dramatic effect on his future as a Rugby player in this professional era.
The KZN Team is made up primarily of Glenwood/DHS and Kearsney boys – 9/5/5. Westville had 1 academy player with another joining as a result of injury but in all fairness they had some standout individuals in the games that I watched and to have no representation @ Craven week can only be as a result of having no one on the selectors panel. I know the loosehead was very useful in open play and from what I heard never got dominated by any tighthead he played against – even the Affies Tighthead so where is he now. Is it because he wasnt the biggest or most experienced? I’m sure it’s because he was at the wrong school. Just saying! We know the Hooker was almost a dead cert for Craven week yet he is replaced by a great loose forward in Richardson. Meyer and JJ are our two best locks but to leave out say the Westville lock – very handy in tight phases or someone else who will at least stay on the field for the duration of the match is criminal. Westville’s 12 was also very useful and if it wasnt for the fact that he permanently had 2 to 3 defenders on him permanently during the season, maybe he to would have been at Kearsney this last week.
I think what we are all trying to say is we need to choose the best player no matter what school they represent in his chosen position and let the coaches bring together a team and not a group of individual players who can represent our province at a better level than what i saw yesterday. Hopefully in their last match of the Tournament they can redeem themselves to a certain degree.
Just one last point; I think both coaching and the conditioning of players in KZN is at a sub-standard level. I was just looking at some of the Cheetahs and Puma boys yesterday and they are all in good shape, no matter what position they are playing. We will only get better if we learn from our mistakes and put the necessary plans in place to rectify these shortfalls.
@Grasshopper: @Grasshopper: “Weideman smoked him”-who is Weideman-we should report this hopper chap to the authorities-this borders on some form on disorder!!
@Grasshopper: I don’t understand being smoked when a team is thumped 60-5. It was 28-0 before 20 min. If the pair of JJ and Weideman were so dominant explain score! Must be missing something here I really must?
@Bush: I really enjoyed it….nice pub you have there. Volatile fullback you have there, Sheldon Somebody.
@boerboel: Come boerboel go for the keel man.
@Speartackle: Free State, Lions, Border and WP have been good.
Some of the coaches think CW is about them. I was listening to a coach shouting instructions to his team when they got a penalty to kick for touch and drive for a try. They must do this every time they get into the 25. Flip man, let the kids play. There should be no line out maul inside the 25, the team with the advantage should attack by running the ball.
@Grasshopper: always if this-if that stop making excuses-the score flatterd KZN-wp took their stars of in the 2nd half
@odie15: JJ has been targeted since he started playing. In KZN it’s not unusual to see him with 3 or 4 players on his back. He is a big friendly giant. I don’t think he even shaves yet. I know this sounds weird but he is probably a late developer. Salmaan looks 28 not 18, so matured muscle-wise etc very early. Salmaan isn’t the benchmark yes but he doesn’t stick out as much as others which might be a good thing. Weideman smoked him yesterday and from there he was quiet..
@Speartackle: Morning Spear, it was the Glenwood Coaching influence.
You right, won the fight, the down down and the tow truck “pulling donut” competition. That’s all that matters
How have you been? Should have told me you were going to be around. Would have poured you a long Brandy and Coke
This must be the kukkest CW I have ever seen besides the WP team
OFS should have been playing in the main game today
@Bush: Jeepers Bush….what happened to your Toti team on Saturday against Collegians????
At least they won the fight
@Greenman: exactly! JJ was 16 only a month or so ago. He needs another year. That year makes a huge difference. I mean look at Glenwood, Palvie & Smit give Glenwood that physical edge because they under19. JJ must take the criticism with a pinch of salt, work hard and have SA schools as a goal. He is a flippin good kid too…
@Grasshopper: so if we agree on something quickly. Salmaan was most obvious pick last year. He was so good he pipped the capt who had to play flank whole CW. People saying he’s targeted I don’t think you can target 1 player in a pack. But yes you can put more pressure on at line out time. If your scrum is strong and it goes fwd and you do your work in the tight loose it’s a good day. Lineouts opposition can focus more on a jumper. But that’s then up to team to have good variations. If you saying JJ is still young and learning etc etc etc…..Then what happens next year when focus is on him? Salmaan currently has the luxury of his team backing him and results. But he must be doing pretty well this year considering this is his 5 lock partner this year and the pack still shines in school and CW with him in every match his teams have played in.
@Greenman: JJ has had a wonderful CW so far. He has played hard solid rugby, made some big hits and taken a few big hits himself. But that comes with the territory of been in the Engine Room. He has done well. Agree with you on the cruise missile, but that goes back to my many discussions with various OB from GW on this blog. They don’t know how to coach or spend enough resources getting coaches for the lower teams. I can just hear it from Hopper so I will say it “we are not a Private School we don’t get that kind of funding” instead of Purchasing players get coaches in, develop what you have in front of you.
Any way lekker day further, have to do some work. Been bunking with flu for 3 days at CW. Off to join the masses on Dennis Shepstone Rd.
Go Free State, Go Lions, Go Hopper
@Grasshopper: Accept the fact that some provinces are playing off a 10 handicap and a few, off a 36 and then the latter thinks that they are class enough for the professional circuit. The tragedy is that the selectors believe them and then we have a fiasco like RWC U 20, 2016.@Bush: Im not to familiar with the internal politics of KZN rugby, but being part of SA, that is a given. Bottom line is this- the selection criteria laid down, is making a mockery of SA rugby and the French recruitment drive, is just the beginning.
Talking to the French! What is the exchange rate. Euros or pounds. Decisions, decisions, decisions. Hate it
@Grasshopper: If you take away Elizabeth…PSDT….Lood & Mostert….IMHO RG Snyman is probably the 5th best lock in SA the guy is a smooth operator that can even play an as enforcer…..JD was the better player at school level……Jenkins looked like a “star” in the 2015 JWC…this year he hasn’t really been that prominent at Super Rugby level that’s why the Bulls signed De Jager……
@Bush: kak! I said Ras and Gianni were excellent. Selective reading again….sigh….
@Grasshopper: Not wrong, 7 in the starting lining up are from Framesby and 5 from Grey PE. Then 1 vs 4 in the reserves. EP were not good against KZN. I wonder if it was because of the players from Framesby?????? Maybe EP played their bench against KZN
@odie15: Zandberg, Moerat & De Villiers SHOULD have signed for the lions/cheetahs…as long as Eben/JD & PSDT are at WP/Stormers those three young locks will struggle to get game time especially at Super Rugby level….
@Bush: Grassy don’t take that shirt. They want to buy you! lol. JJ has been very special since small due to his size. Always destined to get to the top. Unfortunately and unfairly he is targeted whenever he play! Both by players and public. The game plan is worked out by the coaches and since under 14 he has been used as a cruising missile. He was never expected to grind in the loossies. Flyhalf position and use your strength. This has unfortunately not counted in his favour and wont in the long run. More expected as the rest catches up. Agree that he will need to up his game i.e fitness, agility, grinding, getting involved on the ground. The coaches need to start thinking differently. Then again his is still just a boy that need guidance.
@BoishaaiPa: You right he can’t. Because he sits with his GW blinkers on
@Grasshopper: Our hooker also plays flank for his school SACS…get some other excuses! You just cannot give credit where credit is due!
@Bush: Wrong again, plenty of Grey PE players and they have had a decent season. Explain to me why having maybe 25 kids out of 1,200 from Pretoria is a problem? House is most likely 25% from Gauteng. The Hilton coach used to be the KZN coach, even then Hilton didn’t get many in the side. Look again I wish Glenwood had no Administrators or coaches involved, that would be ideal….
@Grasshopper: EP were kuk, mainly made up of Framesby players. Who GW smashed. Why do you think KZN played their reserves on that day.
There is no pot calling the kettle black. It’s common knowledge that a huge % of boys that go to MHS come from your town, its always been that way.Even in the Good Old Day’s. GW use to be a KZN school but is now a PTA school.
You maybe need to take you GW blinkers off and watch unbiased rugby.
Here’s an example for you- Hilton didn’t have a great year. But they have some unbelievable players. Even a quota player for the Front Row. 1 Player in the CW side and none in the AW side what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I promise to buy you a Kearsney Golf shirt from the shop on Saturday and a cap
@BoishaaiPa: When you playing with a flank at hooker and a hooker at prop obviously your scrum will go backwards…
@odie15: Agreed its a team effort for sure. This is why you seeing these provincial sides being made up mostly by 2 or 3 sides due to combinations. The KZN side reminded me of the baby boks, just under-prepared and not gelling at all. I still think this rule about having to play the bench starting is rubbish. The provinces and coaches should be able to pick their best side no matter what. For a smaller Union like KZN with a third of the players of WP, it’s important we play our best. Salmaan is a good player but for me not as good as JD Schickerling was at the same level. JD really dominated all aspects of lock play. Eduard Zandberg & RG Snyman were a close 2nd. I never saw Jason Jenkins play at school but for me he is a future Bok..
@Grasshopper: If the forwards did not impress you much, who gave that good clean ball to the backs to run with?..The KZN forwards?…..Your scrum went up and backwards everytime and you were dominated at rucktime….
@odie15: Ruan Vermaak, the Monnas SA Academy, lock, has started training already since his shoulder op. If he can get back to form before the 1st SA schools game him and ‘Moerhard’ whould be my lock combination of choice.
@Greenman: I think him and JJ will make a good partership next year. JJ needs to get a personal trainer and get him into tiptop shape in pre-season. He only needs to lose 5kg and increase muscle mass a little. I feel for him a little, groin injuries are irritating and stop you running/cycling etc…
@Greenman: You are probably right but he is young and has next year. He will need to get stronger though.
@Bush: If KZN is kuk then EP must be super kuk. There are not only Glenwood selectors so the process is fair. I would love if there were no Glenwood selectors, then when 7 or 8 are picked no one can complain. Look at the GK team, made the final with many Glenwood players. In terms of Old boys playing provincial rugby, they play in other provinces because KZN doesn’t have a decent Uni. I mean pot calling the kettle black, half of House comes from Gauteng…..Pridwin is a big feeder school…
@Grasshopper: I think the best lock is currently on holiday. Dont miss his line out calls, hard grinder and big. He pushed both Bauer and Weideman to second team. Very unfortunate not to be there. I am sure he will get his chance.
@BoishaaiPa: @Grasshopper: not directing this at anyone specific. The results here are not of individuals. It’s work that started 2 seasons ago. Everyone seems to be watching Salmaan and ready to judge. This is his 19th match since 20th March. His last 10 matches have been vs country’s top schools. But he keeps on and is focus every match for opposition and people foe their critique. Amazing how every other lock gets an excuse cos his partner wasn’t up to it. Yet Salmaan is judged alone. I said it earlier this year but I will say it again. Salmaan’s partnership with Ruben last year is most likely best school lock combo I have seen in last 30 yrs. I think it’s the biggest reason he has signed with WP for next year. I think WP want them back together as soon as possible. Even Ruben is missing his partner this year. They brought the best out each other.
It’s not an individual in the engine room. It’s a tight 5 joint effort that provides backs with quality ball to play. Defense is character most of these players have taken to heart and scramble like lives depend on their next tackle. The WP effort is based on team not individual. Having said that there is pure class in this outfit.
@Grasshopper: Get that man a Bells
@Bush: Boet, I have watched over 10 games in KZN this year and a few festivals and KZN teams up here in Jozi, I have seen enough.
@Greenman: Hahaha, I enjoy GW
the KZN process is not correct.
@Greenman: Stop using the quotas as an excuse. KZN is just kuk plain and simple. Our selection process is bias. The private schools have plenty players of colour that play in the 1st Teams. But they don’t get looked at. Why?????????? Why do the selectors have to go to GW 3rd team to get a player???????
@Bush: I am happy with our Glenwood army! You will see us next year. Not AK47’s, we bringing G5 to the party. Must say, in kzn, I enjoy school rugby more thn the who is who selecting who provincially. By the way, I believe that your chsamp school will obviously have more representation due to winning combinations. Also, u utter BS about 2 days before the time and 28 from GW. It was maybe 28 out of 150. Your right to hate GW although sad. Moving on.
@Grasshopper: How can you make a list when you don’t even watch school rugby in KZN. It’s easy to read stuff off a programme.
JJ played well got softened up by the Province Boys
Holtzhausen played with big balls
Lubbe great defence and a solid player gives it everything, got left behind for pace yesterday
The rest weren’t even in the game.
@BOG: Because GW think they are Grey Bloem. They feel that as their second team players have had provincial representation at lower levels (GK and U13 level) they can go to Craven Week ahead of other First Team players.
) why they haven’t they stayed in KZN???? Is it because they don’t come from this Province?????
GW are trying make their Second team like your Cherries, they can play and beat other Schools First teams. Their arrogance showed its head against MHS this year, as they felt they were too good to play our 2nd Team. This all comes from poaching and making too many promises to the kids you poach. All of a sudden you have a 150 kids that you have promised KZN Representation to get them into the School.
I have been watching some of the Currie Cup games, there are plenty GW Old Boys playing for other Provinces(Even a Flank for Free State
@BrotherBear: The difference was the WP backline, the forwards didn’t impress me that much. If KZN had their best pack there from the beginning the score would have been closer. We never expected to win it, just play alot better than we did. Home crowd pressure, who knows. Gianni and Ras created about 40 of those points. Impressed by the WP hooker though, good player.
@Greenman: some comments here about large players were in my opinion a bit personal. On the other hand (as Naas would say), an excuse that a player has been recovering from injury and therefor is not in shape – is not an acceptable excuse. Good players become excellent due to their work ethic and discipline. Practice, drills, no parties, attending all sessions and a good diet are all just as important (amongst others). I believe the selectors should look at all these aspects as well, not just “on the field performance”. Even chats with team mates, coaches, gym coaches and the players themselves should be part of the selection process. One of the reasons the All Blacks are really good, goes back to selecting intelligent players with good discipline and work ethics (from a pool with heaps of talent).
Matt Bauer for me is severely underrated. He has the mongrel to do well after school. For me he should have been in the CW team instead of Weideman.
@Bush: No we don’t boet, I would prefer less players, just those that are the best. My question to you is who is better in each position. Give answers and solutions instead of throwing your toys out the cot.
Renier Van Rooyen – undoubtedly the best tight head in KZN
JJ Van der Mescht – best lock and prospect we have, not polished but has the raw goods to be excellent next year.
Martin Holtzhausen – our best centre by far
Seun Maduna – a good solid player and should be there
G Lubbe – experienced wing, great defence and with space a finisher
Those 5 are there on merit. I can’t see too many other better from other schools. One could argue Dylan Kruger, Francke Botha, Schwulst, Conradie and Matt Bauer could be there too. Weideman and Vorster should be in the Academy side or not there at all.
Please tell us all who is missing…
@Bush: @Bush: grasshopper can check the ratio last year. that should reflect kzn stance on selection. again, there is a lot of AW that shluld be in CW but did not happen because of quotas. One should actually not even try to get excited about kzn rugby. We are now all disadvantaged
Anyway, here come the French! Need to negotiate.
@Grasshopper: Hopper it’s got sweet “f” all how Glenwood does against the KZN Schools. The bias is towards GW and that is BS. You can support GW all you want, I’m happy for you and your Glenwood army. Not even a full Glenwood Army with AK 47’s would have stopped WP yesterday.
KZN is a big province, the Union should be out there on game days taking notes and bringing players to the trials. Not 2 days before the trials and half of GW school go, because they are the best in the province. We need a proper team.
Dale College have 2 boys in the Craven Side and 2 in the AW side they are the strongest school side in the Border Area. Why does every GW supporter, Old Boy and parent feel as GW is the strongest team in KZN they must have a 100 boys at Craven Week??? Good teamwork win games not individuals
@Greenman, @Grasshopper: you remember my prediction of Kzn struggle after the Glenwood loss to Monnas? Must agree that WP team looked well coached and players showed heaps of confidence.
Sad about the Lions AW that lost by 2 points to WP. Well done for a brilliant fight back. Could easily be the other way if not for soft WP try at start of game.
@H2o: Don’t read anything into the Bondedag game where Lions lost. They had numerous layers out of team and played most of game with 14 players. Hope the next game is Lions Kzn.
Looking forward to a more clinical Lions performance against BB today. Forwards need to man-up and backline needs less individual showmanship and more passing to open players.Believe today’s starters should do their thing. Simelane and Green good players but let’s see what they do under pressure. My contacts tell me that the Helpmekaar name was mentioned several times during the previous game, after scores. Well done Helpmekaar.
@BoishaaiPa: It is a good side. There is about 5 kids in the team from last year GK side. Like I said earlier they were not plsying to their true team potential the whole year but rather to their individual potential. I was not there but it sounds like the 13 centre had a second half to be proud off. Some even said that it was his best rugby ever. Just a very important note. Lions are playing with their ‘own’ players of colour and they are in both teams om merit. Lions rugby looking very good.
@h2o: Mike Vowles is a WOB, just saying. Weideman & Vorster are lucky to be there. If Vorster was still playing hooker he might still be there, he isn’t a prop. Brummer is lucky too, very good player & leader but for me just too small. Our halfbacks are not up to it. Where is Francke? Also Dylan Kruger is playing in the wrong week, he should be there. Honestly though Ville have been rubbish so any good players there have not had the opportunity to shine, Ville have not done then justice. Look we were beaten by a better team but they certainly not 55 points better.
@Greenman: get your facts tight…. please show me a player from Westville in CW…. The problem is 3 GW selectors = 28 players…. is CW trials not a internal GW trials process and should the trials then not be held at the beginning of the season at GW which will justify 28 players….. westville nil selector= nil chosen…… I can think of at least 3 GW players who would not have made CW side had the process been fair….. intersting enough I would have replaced 1 of them with a GW player
@boerboel: Check yourself into the SPCA for some counselling.@Bush: Why are there 2nd and 3rd team players in the team? The system compels them to do that to make up the quota numbers. There are other teams at the AW, which have 4th and 5th team players in their side to meet the quota requirement. Its a farce. That is why I have said that some teams, representing areas where rugby is not the first choice of the quota component, are playing with their shoe laces tied together. HANDICAPPED. Taking in the facts, teams like WP, Boland, SWD, EP, Border, all have a huge advantage, and its a tribute to the other teams that they actually do as well as they do.
Have the organizers decided yet who the “finalists” will be for CW 2017 ? Or must they first have a bosberaad in a game reserve for a week to decide that?
@McCulleys Workshop: @Bush: No Bush. Not just at Glenwood but they were the strongest school in KZN this year same as Grey, Paarl Boishaai, Affies etc. It has always been like that therefor the more representation. However, there were about 150 odd players invited for KZN trials to make up the teams. How many selectors watching how many games making how many selections? Ridiculous. Then they tried to please everybody by at least putting one representative from just about any school in KZN. Everybody happy. Result?
@Grasshopper: This is not about House. When a KZN Blogger tried his antics a few weeks back when I said that we wouldn’t perform at CW, he attacked the weak House side this year. It is not about House, but rather what seems to be a flawed selection process, coaching and a province that is battling to match the super rugby schools nationally.
@Bush: and Glenwood beat House by 50 odd…
@Greenman: And KZN can only find those players at GW??????? GW is not the only rugby playing school in KZN.
@Bush: @Bush: and you have better players. Those players playing second GW were 1 team at the time of selection. Our problem remain not eough previous disadvantage players to choose from. only 3% play rugby in kzn yet we need 50% representation. WP dont have that problem. Whatever, lets play
Another thing I noticed….WP did not miss many tackles….and SBR rugby is all about space…you miss a tackle and it opens up…If your defence is not up to scratch you will loose. Running rugby is nice to watch bit as some teams like Nam learned today..it is not all about running.
@h2o: Will be good for the KZN crowd. I think your CW team dissapointed the locals a bit today. But as I said before…they came up against a WP team that just clicked better today. Rub of the green.
@Stier: So is Larkham…altwee bring iets anders..dink Elmo sal met Larkham begin en 2de helfte met Jooste begin…hy ken van druk in tight games. Lekker om 2 sulke hakers te hê
@BoishaaiPa: I think maybe another WP Sharks game on the card for AW…. Sharks beat the Lions AW at Bondedag if I remember correct…. yes depth uou have so others will have to use you as a measuring tool…. well done on the win saw the game en julle was classy
@h2o: @h2o: cant agree with you more on the numbers in AW. lots of prestess on coaches. Mamaybe too mu.
still believe that you pick your critical combinations by school and not by potential. not good enough and actually detrimental to the player.
just again &%%@@* boergemors
Jy is reg Sean sal een of ander tyd loop, maar mens hoop maar. Wat hy gedoen het in so ‘n kort tyd is merkwaardig.
Sover dit die span betref, ek dink dit is die verskil tussen die WP en meeste ander spanne, die WP het baie diepte. Dink jy Daniel Jooste gaan op die bank sit? Daai seun is ‘n yster.
@Hooit: WP was 28-3 up at some stage..good comeback by the Lions…Think WP lost composure and Lions pounced…feedback I got from over there. Still a good win over what I hear is a very good Lions AW team. Most of those boys were part of the Lions 2015 GK team that was unbeaten.
@Grasshopper: you are talking crap..to say they only target certain games for a win…. they target every game as a win….why then play game 2 and 3 if you not in it to win it… maybe have the right players in positions or reserves and your backup or reserve players will not weaken your side….
@h2o: It’s absolute BS that GW send 28 boys to trials. 2nd team players in the AW team. 3rd team player from GW playing Craven Week. KZN is a joke. We want to see the best players in the positions not the best school.
That WP team is a complete team. Well done to the selectors, the schools and the coaches.
@Greenman: we can do a lot of fingerpointing but fact is the problem starts at trials…. hopper wants to blame subs but 3/6 from today were GW…… How the hell do you justify GW 2nd team players in CW….. lineout stats from today Sharks 11 lineoutz won 5 lost 6…. scrums got dominated…. JJ was dissapointing mißsed tackle that lead to Larkam 1st try…. he got handed of which lead to du plessies try…. look at what he did in minute 65… just a message to Grasshopper dont make him a champ if he hasnt played against the champs… there is enough depth in kzn but you leave your best #2 #7#13#15 in AW…… agree dont mess with Richardson at 2 he got exposed today he is a brilliant loosy dont mess with his career….sharks backlone midfield looks more like ballroom dancers instead of linebreakers…. i am sure the boys will stand up and deliver on Saturday. … geluk WP…..
Glenwood who is is probably on par with Stellenberg down here makes up the bulk of Kzn -that explains the 60-5 scoreline
The tough wp league is a huge advantage. Virtualy every saturday is like a “test” match
@Grasshopper: JJ needs off season conditioning..if done right with his size he could be a meanie next year…Moerat was already “Moerhard” at u/16. WP was just better coached today and played at pace that KZN players maybe not use to. As I said before..these games are no reflections on individuals or schools but all about how a team plays as a unit. KZN won some small battles but the war was won by a better team. You need more than one school’s players that are use to tough games in such a setup.
Where is my “big” buddy grassy
We stayed. Intelligent
@boerboel: And pulling wire. But you guys are Hoof Voortrekkers
Natal schoolrugby at a fairly low lewel. Not a rugby province. Surfing.angling smoking dope more their forte
@Greenman: excuses again
bSharks playing players out of position drives me up the wall. Richardson is not a hookers backside. Should be on flank but then Meyer is suddenly a flank to be changed by Brummer who also not a flank. The lineouts was a mess. Dont know who called what but Richardson could not find them even if there was nobody else. To many Kearsney players butunderstsandable as Kearnsney were the main peanuts in selection. How that works nobody knows. I believe in keeping your structure players. Hooker with his locks and scrummie and flyhalf is a must. very didsapointing and &%*%## boergemors. this is not Glenwood.
Where is grassfixation?
Pumas bo. Wat ń wenspan is dit nie!!!!
Well done WP machine game. Great display of rugby
@Stier: I think todays frontrow will start on Sat….dont let numbers on a jersey confuse you..all these players in WP side are good enough as starters…just depends on the coaches gameplan.
@Stier: Kans is skraal…hy is te goed om by skolerugby te bly….sy metodiek is egter gevestig.
Agree about the best no 9 in WP. Unfortunately he is playing in the AW next door.
@BoishaaiPa: Solank hy net bly by HJS?
@Muzi: I am not so sure about Carstens, he is good but I think Jondre was better. Also interesting to see that today the WP 10 didn’t get the same ball as against Boland and the back line didn’t get as much ball to play with as they did in the previous game. Like I said Carstens is good but I think he plays a different kind of game, it looks at times if he wants to do something special from every ball and sometimes a srummie must just let the ball go.
@Muzi: Just some info..Sean coaches the Boishaai 1st XV and Grant Khomo side…The WP CW team is coached by Elmo Wolfaardt…Sean’s assistant coach at Boishaai. Sean was appointed as the SA Schools coach though.
Somu wrestling primary i would guess
@Rugbymal: not sure, been at Glenwood since grade 8.
Grassfixation on the verge of taking his 1.74 m frame and burning his gw blazer
@Grasshopper: What school was he up in Gauteng? Florida?
@Grasshopper: shuffle their side. Ha ha. Agains wp. Try again
@Muzi: The Bulls will screw his rugby over even more.
@Stier: yep, all teams have to cope with shuffling their sides. KZN don’t have the depth of other large unions so a couple of changes significantly weakens the side. The EP game was obviously the one they targeted a win and got it. Maybe that win made them complacent, who knows. Again, well played WP, certainly hit their straps….
@boerboel: nope not Internet hard man, hence why I said I’ll call you a twat to your face. How you can belittle & degrade kids publicly is disgusting. Pure filth! This site has certain morales and rules that you certainly don’t abide by…
Once the starting front row came and flyhalf things got better. Weideman should not be there, gives away too many penalties. Vorster is a hooker not a prop, Richardson should play flank and Jared Meyer should partner JJ and captain. Hopefully they do this for the final game. KZN lacking class halfbacks. Martin Holtzhausen and Maduna the pick.
@Grasshopper: internet hardman
typical wannabee sore loser
What a game, WP was awesome in the first half. Moerat did’t have his best game and was put under pressure, but he was the target for the Sharks that was clear. I wonder how the Sharks locks would have done if they were the main target in the forwards. That said they did manage to keep him busy and he will learn from that, or at least I hope so. He did still manage to score and showed good hands to create a try for the winger so he can’t be that bad?
As for first choice players, WP also played with some second choice players and made even more changed more first choice players in the second half. WP started the match with two second choice player in the frontrow and at six, Sardein their main fetcher didn’t play. Their scrummie and inside center also didn’t play and in the second half their flyhalf was also replaced.
I think the best scrummie isn’t even in the team but that is my opinion.
Once again awesome performance from the boys and the best all round performance off all the teams so far. But finals is a different thing and we will have to see what happens tomorrow and Saturday. Personally I can’t wait for tomorrow’s big game good luck to both teams, but my hart says BB.
@Muzi: he is from up that side. Boerboel is a complete twat and I would tell him to his face it he is too scared to say who he supports. In fact I would love the blog to require real names, I’m not scared to use mine. Suddenly he will shut up…
If that lock Ryno Pieterse from Garsfontein was over 2 metres he’d walk into that SA schools side….that guy is a MACHINE!!!!…”Mini Eben Elizabeth”….
@Grasshopper: more excuses. Take it on the chin. Outclassed
@Grasshopper: After Matric he SHOULD go to PTA…we will sort him out at the Bulls…..
@boerboel: I thought he was the “next big thing” at lock….the guy needs to work on his conditioning…..Le Roux Roets 2.0….
@Muzi: he will get conditioned end of season, been carrying a few injuries this season. Again, he has just turned 17. Paul Willemse was bigger than him when he played CW. I also think he is a bit too loose at times and needs to be in the rucks rather than defending out wide.
KZN schools keep poaching Dale College primary school kids?!?!….but then get embarrassed by WP today…something “fishy” is going on down there…..
Was that fat nr 4 the glenwood lock. Now i understand why he copped out of the monument game. He looks scared
Damn…the french scouts don’t play games….think about it if you were offered millions..would you turn down the opportunity to go to the Montpellier Rugby Academy after matric?!?!…NOooooooooooooo waysssssssss…
@Grasshopper:
kzn an embarrasment. And so is the bluecollar wannabees glenwood
JJ needs to lose some of that body fat and put some muscle…..then he’ll look like mean lock….
@boerboel: who played the Grant Khomo & under 13 final, KZN you Naartjie! Glenwood have beaten Boishaai, Bishops & Paul Roos in the past so again you taking kak!
@Muzi: Its his “little” brother.
@Calamari: Cant agree with you more.
A lot of hooh haah made about being 2.0m tall and weighing tons to no avail.
Sean Erasmus should be the new SA Under 20 head coach…..this WP CW side is well drilled…..ruthless….
Anton Du Toit that massive Boland 12 is he related to PSDT?!?!
@Grasshopper: grassfixation. As i said. The gap is huge. Glenwood would play b league in the cape
Deon Carstens is the best schoolboy 9 in SA…..he even looks like a better player than that WP Under 19 bloke Jondre Williams…..
Well played Province, too much depth. Sharks bench starting today got blown off the park in 1st half. Once the starters came on in the 2nd half the score was 17-5, more respectable. That doesn’t show the ability of the Sharks, just she’ll shocked. Richardson had a blinder.
WP & Lions in the final?!?!…..I really don’t trust the Bulls to pull it off on Thursday….
Damien Willemse can jol hopefully isn’t Curwin “Earl Rose” Bosch 2.0……
Grasshopper was 100% right…..I think Ruben De Villiers made Moerat look good in 2015….
Wandile Simelane “is an outrageously talented rugby player”…..that’s all that I’m hearing and reading from pundits & the media in SA……Wandile Mjekevu was seen as a potential Springbok legend in the making?!?!…..where in the blue hell is he now?!?! at the EP Kings……….
@Rugbyman: More of a fact rather than an assumption. WP taking their foot of the petrol now.
Rugby is not all about physicality and the biggest hit blah blah blah…. skills, intensity and teamwork did the trick for province.
Better luck next time Sharks.
Maybe 2 more yellow cards and it will be a even game
The Sharks are being played of the field.
@Hooit: I think it is safe to assume now that the sharks wont be the unofficial winners of the cravenweek… wow! TheProvince are really bringing it on…
@BuiteBreek: Ek is nie met jou nie
The only competition WP is getting is from the time keeper. Not sure who is going to get to 70 first but my money is on the WP to beat the timekeeper. 43 – 0 for WP
@Hooit: Daar was nie veel fout met sy pass, wat Larkin oorgesit het vir sy 2de drie. Of wag …
@McCulleys Workshop: Cant make that comment. There is no Sharks player in the game let alone outplaying a WP player. I am keeping a special eye on that duel. He had n very few carries early and a few missed tackles. The pace of the game is too fast for all the Sharks
@McCulleys Workshop: what is the current score
@Hooit: And JJ is outplaying Salmaan
Ritchie’s distribution needs help. He reads the game too slowly and doesn’t have a great pass.
Any comments from the Sharks. As stated previously they are not physical enough
WP academy team beat the Lions academy 31 – 29 with a penalty in injury time. Lions rugby in a good place.
@Stier: Some, if not most, “of those young Zulu warriors” in the KZN sides, you refer to,are actually from the old Transkei- Xhosas, where rugby is in fact first choice. Jy sukkel werklik om die omvang van hierdie probleem te besef. Jy kan nie rugby op n gemeenskap afdwing wat tradissioneel, sokker, as voorkeur het nie, veral nie omdat rugby, in vorige skole waar dit gespeel was, verdwyn het. Daar is spelers in van die Akademiespanne, wat 4s en 5s vir hulle skole speel, om getalle op te maak.
@Hooit: Ek moet se gauteng, anders neem mense dit weer as ‘n persoonlike aanval op hulle of hulle skool. Ek weet regtig nie hoeveel kinders van die kaap indien enig vir die Leeus se o/18 speel nie. Feit is Florida Laerskool het verseker ‘n hele klomp van die kaap in hulle eerste span gehad en van hulle het vir die Leeus o/13 uit gedraf.
Die BB is ‘n ander storie ek vermoed daar is heelwat van daai seuns wat van die kaap kom en in die kaap gewerf is. Niemand hier sal ooit se hoeveel van daai seuns kom van die kaap nie. En as mens vra sal jy sleg gese word. Mense hier is so liggeraak mens moet in kodes praat om hulle nie om te krap nie en moenie dink om onverskoning te vra oor ‘n inkorrekte stelling help nie. Gaan lees 114. En die mense erken hulle kry kinders van die kaap gaan lees 118, 189, 245 en 247 maar daar is meer. Ek weet vir ‘n feit daar is skole in Pretoria wat aktief hier in die kaap werf. Of dit reg is is my vraag niks anders nie. Is die idee nie dat elke provinsie sy bes moet doen om alle kinders in sy provinsie by rugby betrokke te kry nie? Ek weet dit gaan nie orals ewe maklik wees nie maar skole soos Laerskool Uitsig in Centurion het dit gedoen. Ben doen awesome werk daar, is hulle op standaard ? Ek weet nie maar dit is hoe mens begin ek het dit ook all in my sport gedoen en gesien en baie van die kinders het al SA’s gewen. So asb. verstaan ek se niemand sleg nie dit is egter verkeerd om te dink dit gebeur nie.
@Bush: Shouldn’t it be Durban Poison?
@Stier: Maak nie saak nie maar sover my kennis strek is almal van Gauteng. As da 1 in 23 is van Laerskool af neem ek aan jou fete met die Bulle gaan voort. Ek weet WP self het n speler wat o13 Leeus gespeel het en toe Kaap toe is. Hoekom is ek nie seker nie.
@Stier: Die Lions se o/13 dink ek het drie Florida seuns wat van die Kaap kom in hulle span gehad. Ek sal die name probeer kry maar die een was ‘n agsteman en twee in die backs. Ons het vroeer die jaar teen hulle gespeel.
Maar wat dink jy, het die minister van sport “coloured” spelers as deel van die kwota gesien of het hy bedoel “black” spelers? Ek kyk nou na die Namibia span ek wonder of hulle ‘n kwota het? Hulle lyk baie wit, moet ons hulle toelaat as hulle nie kwota het nie? Die hele kwota ding is belaglik.
Ek het al genoem dat die WP wou hulle o/13 B aan die sasol week ontrek omdat baie provinsies nie die 11/11 kwota gekies het nie. Die ander provinsies het nog op ‘n 18/4 split gewerk van die vorige jaar. Op die ou end het die WP toe gegaan nadat die ouers druk op die unie gesit het deur koerante toe te gaan. Die WP het toe die toernooi gewen al het hulle met ‘n kwota van 11/11 gespeel teen die meeste ander unies wat met ‘n 18/4 kwota gespeel het.
@Bush: Lol
@robbie: So when it happens you promise to suck my Rooster. Malawi Gold
I don’t think the minister of sport see so called ” coloured” people as qouta players he meant, if you like “black” players. In that case all the provinces except maybe for those in the eastern cape region will have a problem. Must say the Sharks seem to bring some young Zulu warriors in that don’t play to badly. Maybe the others unions can have a chat with them to find out how they do it?
As for Paarl, a principal of one of the primary schools told me that he has to register his school each year with his union. He has a choice whether he wants to register with Boland or WP. So it seems the primary schools have a choice as to which union they want to join.
@Stier: Watter skole is dit en watter spelers het hulle bygedra tot die Lions se span?
@Playa: Perhaps the “suspects” were seen walking, with wife and few kids, and insisting on married quarters for their contracts-at U 19 level ??
In the meantime, the French clubs, I believe, are looking for the 20 top players at the tournament, straight from school. So, a few Dlaminis or Vander Merwes, playing for France soon, is a strong possibility.
@Hooit: Ek dog jy was in die Kaap gewerf? Ek weet Florida Laerskool het ‘n par seuns wat hulle hier in die kaap kom haal het. Daarom wat ek se gauteng. Maak dit saak wanneer die kind gewerf is?
@Bog, daar is “swart” skole in gauteng wat rugby as hulle hoof sport speel. Meeste is Engels maar hulle is daar.
Bush (428) – what are you smoking ? The Paarl schools to join Boland ! Paarl has never been part of Boland and never will. For this to happen, it will entail a change in borders. Do you think WP will allow this ? Boland, Gim and Boishaai all field 24+ teams on a Saturday. Who would they play against ? Drostdy – maybe.
@Grasshopper: What then is the basis of your suspicion?
@BOG: No I am not saying that. I am not familiar with all the player’s ‘origin’ Just want clarity from Stier who is. Maybe the 1 Florida player but not sure. Otherwise not any that I know off.
@Hooit: So, as I suspected, its “eenie, meenie, minie, mow”. You are saying that there are no players in the Lions side, who is not originally from Dale? Then, its a first in many years.
@Stier: Nou weet jy ook waarom daardie streke geen keuse het as om elders te werf nie. Afrikaanse skole in die WP, Boland of SWD en Engelse skole in die Ooskaap of Grens, waar rugby wel daardie komponent se eerste keuse is. Dit verander egter nie die feit dat hulle, die ander streke, met “handicap” speel nie.
@Stier: Stier wie van die Leeus is in die Kaap gewerf? Ons is ook deel van Gauteng.
Dit is baie jammer dat die verloorder tussen die Leeus en Bulle of WP en Sharks nie die Vrystaat speel nie. Mens verstaan een van die top spanne gaan uit mis op ‘n kans vir die finaal maar om dan nie eers een van die ander sterk spanne te speel nie is jammer. As ek hulle was sou ek lekker demoer in gewees het.
@Grasshopper don’t you worry they check their ages. Don’t backtrack on JJ, regardless his age you made a statement that he is better than Moerat and that Moerat is not physical, but we will see today. Good luck to your team may the best ref win….I mean best team win, sorry about that.
Talking of refs the standard is shocking. Seconds really disappointed me, I was wondering at one stage if he was even sober? The offside lines at the breakdowns and kicks is not policed at all, it was very bad in the Sharks vs EP game.
Overall it has been good, defense not always but I prefer teams with a attacking mindset anyway so I won’t complain to much. The next few days is going to have so awesome games, I can’t wait.
@BOG: I had a chat with one of the Lions ‘officials’ yesterday after the Lions game as to why the Tuesday pool of teams were stronger as the Monday group and how they decide who play against who on day ‘2’. After each CW ‘they’ sit down and rate the teams according to them. Based on their ratings they get divided into 2 groups. Due to the poor performance bybthe Lions last year they were not rated as part of the top 6 teams and ended up with The Bulls and Free State. Then during each days games they look at who will make for the best match ups. Unless the Bulls and WP lost they have already been tipped to play in the final so it was alway an question who is most deserved of a spot against the Bulls and WP. At the time of the conversation the official himself did not know if the Lions or Free State will play against the Bulls. It seems like they were more impressed with the Lions on the day and they got chosen.
@chief: Each player must play 70 minutes of rugby within the 1st 2 games. It becomes a nightmare on who has played how many minutes if subs are used so most teams try an get it out if the way and not use subs. Injuries are excluded from this rule. Lions fir example replaced the prop due to injury and the lock in the last 8 minutes due to blood.
CW dag 3…. 935 GRIFFONS 34 V GRIEKWAS 32
1100 GRIEKWAS V ZIM
1225 BOLAND V EP
1350 PUMAS V NAMIBIA
1515 SHARKS V WP
AW
0835 EPCD 15 V SWD 30
0955 BLUE FALCONS 36 V GRIEKWAS CD 24
1115 GRIFFONS v PUMAS
1235 WP V LIONS
1355 SHARKS V BORDER
1515 GRIFFONS CD V SALSEN
@BOG: Ek weet nie van die Vrystaat nie maar van die Guateng se skole werf in die kaap so baie van hulle kwota komponent speel rugby as hulle eerste sport.
@Vleis: In die eerste twee wedstryde vir alle spanne mag daar geen taktiese plaasvervanging wees nie. Slegs beseerde spelers mag vervang word.
@Vleis:
Na elke span se tweede wedstryd moet ELKE speler een volle wedstryd gespeel het. So dit beteken hy moet of in die eerste of tweede wedstryd begin het en dan die wedstryd geëndig het ook.
En almal het “gedink” dit gaan oor “point difference” wat duidelik nie die situasie was nie.
Can anyone close to the Lions tell me why they didn’t put on all their reserves at HT v SWD? If memory serves, the bench strength is not at the same standard as the starting line-up. Am I correct that they must play WP with all their reserves for most of the game?
@Valkie: Sal soos jy, moet raai. Ek weet dat waar daar meer as 4 spanne sou “kwalifiseer” , dan was daar gekyk na wie die mees aanskoulikste rugby gespeel het, dws “hardlooprugby”. Maar selfs dit, sal seker ook as subjektief beskou kan word.
@Bush: Cant agree on WP@KZN statement.WP way too classy for KZN. Province by 20 points @least.
I think the 5 teams of WP, Sharks, Cheetahs, Lions and Bulls are all very much on par, with each one bringing his own strengths. It will all come down to team dynamics and which teams players gel the best on the day. Win or loose, I don’t think it will be a reflection on individual players or their schools, just that the one team clicked better on the day than the other. They are all very competitive and well balanced.
Team Day 1 Province, Team Day 2 Lions. WP vs KZN today will be an exciting encounter. GW vs Paarl Boys. I heard that the 3 schools that make up the bulk of WP Schools will fall under Boland next. WP will struggle next year.
@Grasshopper: stop comparing them
be objective-you are a latter day quintus v rooyen in in glenwood drag
@BrotherBear:
Ek weet eerlikwaar nie want ek kyk nie wie druk die drieë dit bly maar ‘n span poging. Alhoewel daar baie individuele is wat druk van niks en nêrens.
@Grasshopper: I am sure that the ages of these boys have been verified. I do not think that even one union would want to be named and shamed regarding illegal players. The kids are just getting bigger. When I went to school many, many years ago you just did not see these type of big boys.
@BOG: Ek wonder al jare hoe die 4 finale spanne bepaal. Daar word seker met die een of ander formule gewoeker om die spanne te bepaal. Ek het egter gedink dat julle wat al jare en jare by skolerugby betrokke is vir ons leuke insig sal kan gee?
Ek geniet egter hierdie jaar se CW, ek dink daar word goeie rugby gespeel. Ek sien uit na vandag se wedstryde. Namibië is vir my ‘n goeie verrassing maar ek hoop die Pumaseuns trek ‘n wen deur.
@Chief: dis waar ne, baie dankie vir die feitelik korrekte aanmaning. Smaak my HtS Louis Botha ook meeste driee gedruk?
@chief: Ek het so iets natuurlik vermoed. Amper soos n Amerikaanse verkiesing wat voor die tyd bepaal word- selected not elected. Dus manipulasie. Hulle moet beslis meer gewig gee aan die wedstryde voor CW om n beter balans te kry. Daai wedstryde sal dan ook meer ernstig deur die unies opgeneem word.@BrotherBear: Of n span met te veel Monnas of Affies nie? Maar ek moet darem se, dat dit al n prestasie is vir spanne soos Lions, Bulle, Vrystaat en andere om op hierdie vlak mee te ding, waar rugby nie n voorkeursport is van die kwota komponent nie.
@BrotherBear:
Wie is hulle? Gaan doen jou huiswerk, daar is 13 GCB’s in daardie span en elke speler van HTS Louis Botha doen sy deel net so goed soos die ou langs hom.
Does anybody have the fixtures for today?
@chief hulle vertrou nie ‘n vrystaat span met te min GCB’s – hehehe
@BOG:
Hierdie tipe goed is al beplan lank voor Craven Week. Jy kan nie laas jaar se krag wil meet teen van jaar se Vrystaat span om ons op dag 4 Luiperds te gee nie? Gaan kyk na al die Bondedag wedstryde Vrystaat wen Griffons 43-12 met gemak, waar Lions 53-40 die Griffons klop in ‘n wedstryd wat nie maklik was vir die Lions span nie. My vraag is nou waarom kan ons nie Lions of Bulls speel vir ‘n hoof wedstryd op Dag 4 nie?
@Hooit: Hoe bepaal hulle daardie 4 spanne? Lootjies of eenie, meenie, minie, mow?
@Die Ken: Ja hy doen. Sien baie uit daarna. Hy speel uit posisie uit maar sal elke kans vat wat hy kry. Dink dit gaan n baie fisiese game wees.
@Ploegskaar: Hoe de hel het Diamonds se fly nie CW-span gehaal nie? Beseer?
@Hooit: Speel jou lat Donderdag?
@Stier: As far as I know Freestate us out of the picture. WP vs Sharks and Bulls vs Lions is the’semi’ final games competing for a spot in the final.
I’ll throw a spanner in the works here, have ALL the boys ages been checked & verified? Walking about Kearsney the other day many of these ‘boys’ certainly don’t look their age and it’s got nothing to do with size. A fear a few Thom’s are playing this week…
@boerboel: not Moerats age or year either, still a year to go….
@boerboel: Ou boerboef, die realiteit van SA verteenwoordigende spanne is dat sommige streke/spanne, waar rugby nie n natuurlike eerste keuse sport is nie, hulle maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind, speel. As ek dus in n streek is, waar dit nie die geval is nie, sal ek maar my mond hou en nie op n ashoop staan en kraai nie. Jy moet besef dat daar spelers is in eg spanne, wie vir hulle skole, in die 5e spanne speel. Dit is die omvang van hulle “handicap”.Dit verduidelik ook waarom, wanneer hulle by O20 kom,word hulle, as die “talentvolles”, voorgehou, en sien hulle hul gat, 6-0, by die WB.En dit, terwyl werklike talent oor die hoof gesien is, en of ophou speel het, of landuit is om elders te gaan speel. En dan staan iemand soos jy, trots met jou gebrekkige inligting, en kraai op jou mishoop. Jy BS jouself.
@David: i am humbled. My apologies to ofs u13
@Hooit: Ek dink ook die WP sal hom vat maar die sharks gaan nie maklik wees daar by die huis nie hulle gaan reg wees vir hierdie een. Die BB Leeus gaan oorlog wees, ek sal maar geld in die bank hou vir daai een. Altwee spanne het sterk pak, ek dink tog die Bulle het dalk bietjie meer x-faktor agter. Die Leeus se 10 lyk ook na ‘n man met ‘n plan en hulle sal hom moet stil hou. Kan nie wag nie en dan wag die Vrystaat ook nog.
@boerboel: Cheetah 0/13 het 2 gewen, 1 gelykop en 1 verloor. Ai die feite, boerboel die naam verduidelik baie…
@Grasshopper:calm down grassfixation. Did not underate the chubby one. But not in Moerats league.
@chief: net feite my onstelde vriendjie
@BOG: ek verwys na ovs 013 en o16 wat nie n wedstryd kon wen nie boggie
@Stier: Ek glo die WP sal wen met 20+. Donderdag se ‘hoof game’ is bevestig as Bulle vs Leeus.
Vandag se spanne het sterker gelyk as gister of is dit my verbeelding? Leeus, Bulle of Vrystaat sal ‘n groot game wees. More se WP Sharks game behoort goed te wees, ek dink dit kan ‘n close een wees. Daai Sharks gaan nie maklik gewen word by die huis nie, daar sal bietjie ekstra motiveering wees met oom John en grasshopper daar of hoe?
@Bere007: Soos ek vermoed het jy beledig maar net, jy is nou die kans gegee om ‘n punt te bewys maar kom nie. Nee man ek is seker jy kan beter doen as dit. Soos jy geseg het lekker slaap ou grote.
@boerboel:
Jy is seker die mees arrogantste persoon op die blog, jy gooi beledigings soos jy wil. My vraag bly wat het jy al bereik in die sport?
Jy redeneer soos n passer….111,125,139….jy kry mos jou inligting om die braai vleis vuur….
Ou Bere ek weet nie wat om vir jou te se nie, dit lyk my jy dink die lewe is swart en wit?
Ek se jou wat wys my een plek waar ek jou skool sleg gese het. Die enigste plek waar jy kan se ek ‘n skool afgekraak het was toe ek gese het Uitsig High se rugby is swak. Herder het ek nog nooit ‘n skool sleg gese op enige forum nie. Veral nie Pearson nie, tensy jy die teendeel kan bewys stel ek voor jy vra onverskoning en ons gaan aan.
Twee gat jakkals, is Pearson in Pretoria?
@stier … Twee gat jakkals dink ek …..werk so bietjie aan jou aardrykskunde in die af seisoen ook ….
Mooi Bulle dit was awesome. Bulle en Leeus gaan ‘n groot game wees. Die loskop het gesukkel maar die 10, 12 en 15 baie goed.
@Bere007 ek weet nie eers waar is Pearson nie en het niks van hulle gese nie?
Ek het maar gemengde gevoelens by cw ek is ‘n BB supporter maar die WP skole rugby is nou waar my seun speel so albei is maar in my hart. En die feit dat die Bulle met so baie WP kinders speel maak die ding nog meer ingewikkeld of hoe dink jy?
@Stier… Hehehe …. Wie die laaste lag , lag die…….. Bulle toe heel skaflik vertoon of hoe…. Moet se ek het niks anders van jou verwag nie …. So vroom antwoord vir n man wat alles begin het en ons skool probeer sleg se …. Nag ou grote …..
@BOG: not since I was found out. If you have followed the conversation from the start you will understand why the sarcasm.. Believe what you like, I see it is the way of many on this forum.
@Stier: Ahh! I see
@BoishaaiPa: En die eerste Springbokspanne was maar uitsluitlik uit die WP gekies, nie omdat hulle al die talent gehad het nie, maar hulle het omtrent nerens elders rugby gespeel nie.
@Playa: Well, that is what he said, but has since he was found out, said that it was sarcasm?????@boerboel: As dit hulle eerste wedstryd van die jaar was, kan jy seker nie verwag dat hulle vorige oorwinnings sal he nie, of hoe? Watter skool steun jy? En van wanneer is die Boland magtig?@BoishaaiPa: Eenvoudig eintlik, ek probeer ou geskiedenis vermy, en SA skolespanne was maar eers sedert die middel 70s gekies.
Sorry playa, I would like to translate but it will take me the entire cw to do so. Just a little argument about youngster of colour in the cape being “helped” by schools in Guateng and then they end up playing rugby there.
@BOG: I didn’t catch that conversation. My eyes tend to drift away quickly at sentence number 3 when reading Afrikaans. Do I think the Cape has ALL the talent? No, not ALL – they, do however, have the most simply because of numbers.
Ek moet se ek het gedink SWD gaan die Leeus ‘n harder wedstryd gee. Die Leeus se 10 lyk na ‘n goeie speler. Vrystaat se 12 en 13 is ysters maar hulle het seker nie ‘n keuse nie die Vrystaat het altyd goeie senters. Geluk aan albei spanne. Go Bulle? As die Bulle wen kry die WP ‘n bonus punt?
@boerboel: very low blow to call a 17 year old player overrated and fat, just shows how low class you are.
@BOG: Hoekom slegs vanaf CW wat in 60’s begin het?..Weskaap is mos ouer as dit….en Springbokke kom al langer as 60’s aan.
@boerboel: glenwoodhatefixation….
@BOG: Dit was maar ‘n bietjie sarkasme…jy het bietjie laat betrokke geraak.
@Grasshopper: We will see tomorrow, I have been watching Moerat for the last three years or so, he puts in big hits believe me. Bakkies was a smasher like Moerat. But JJ and Moerat will hopefully settle the argument tomorrow. Can’t wait for that game, I like the 10 and 13 from the sharks there is going to be some nice matchups.
@BOG: eerste oorwinning vir n ovs crawenweek span die jaar?
teen die magtige valke
@Stier: Hoe weerspreek jy jouself so vinnig? Sien 367 hierbo, waar jy se, “hier waar al die talent in ons land is”
@Grasshopper: Grassfixation on his glenwood dope again
fat natal lock not in Moerats class-we will see tommorow
should be very onesided
@Grasshopper: I have to disagree with you on moerat… he is extremely physical, something matfield was not… he makes hugenhits on D as well…
Goeie wen vir FS. Verdediging het bietjie gelol in 1st helfte. Glo steeds nie die wen gaan hulle noodwendig in Donderdag se hoofwedstryd kry nie.
@McCulleys Workshop: what about Richardson at flank and the DHS kid at No8, Pepsi I think they call him. He is quick and physical…
@Stier: JJ van der Mescht was smashing guys back and all over the park, usually with 3 or 4 tackles hanging on for dearlife. Moerat is the Matfield type and JJ the Bakkies type, good combo. JJ is not the finished product but gosh he has the raw materials & in grade 11 to be immense in 2017. Hope he makes SA Schools maybe as a back up lock to get into the system. Moerat was manhandled by a few Boland forwards. I was there on halfway watching carefully….especially the lock play as that is my favourite position…
Nie ‘n braai nie, net ‘n stupid antwoord op ‘n stupid vraag. Ek is die laaste mens wat baie waarde heg aan “talent”.
@Playa: Do you then believe him that all the rugby talent is in the Cape? And while you establish that, please translate his response. I think that he may have had an early braai.
@robbie: Antwoord is maklik, die Superrugby spanne het verdedigingspatrone. So ver by Craven Week maar bitter min goeie verdediging gesien en dit verklaar die Netbal tellings.
@h2o: Ek wonder of dit nie veel eenvoudiger is nie. Op skool oefen die kinders dalk 12 ure ‘n week? Van die seuns sal meer oefen ander weer minder. Baie kinders word gekies omdat hulle “talent” het maar kan hulle hard werk? In Rusland sal kinders van 12 jaar oud 24 uur ‘n week oefen om eendag bo te kom. Hulle verwys na die 10000 golden hours. Hulle glo ‘n atleet moet 10000 ure oor tien jaar periode oefen om internationaal kompeterrend te wees. Ek wonder net hoeveel van ons seuns kan net eenvoudig nie die harde werk en lang ure vat nie. Gaan vra vir Ryk Neetling hoeveel ure ‘n week oefen sy top skool swemmers daar by hom, jy sal skrik.
Ek kyk dit nogsteeds mis. Maar is op hierdie forum vertel daarvan nou glo ek dit ook.
@Stier: I’ll give you 3 guesses of what he’s answer is gonna be
@Stier: My wereld, ek en seker vele ander, insluitend die Springbokkeurders, toe meriete nog belangrik was, het al die talent in die Kaap oor die jare totaal misgekyk-sedert CW in die 60s begin het. Hoeveel Springbokke, in vergelyking met ander streke, het al daardie talent uiteindelik opgelewer?
One thing that worries me a little is some of the basic mistakes. You can see the kids want to try things but it is not coached or practiced. One hand offloads when they can pass with both hands, chip kicks that scew of the boot. The sharks 21 can’t pass left, his technique passing left is awefull. I think some of the boys are trying to hard but who can blame them. Let’s hope they settle as the week progress and they stick to what they trained and can do.
The WP back line looks very dangerous, and I like the sharks 13, the ep 12 and the cheetahs 12 and 13. Some good centers around.
@Grasshopper: Moerat not physical? I watched te game on TV and he made some huge tackless as he always does. But which lock that you saw on day one was more physical than him? I am really interested in hearing your answer.
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@Bere007: Hahaha….. jy is snaaks. Ek bly in die kaap en my seun gaan maar hier skool, hier waar al die talent in ons land is. Jou stelling wys maar weereens daai pta metaliteit van niemand gun niemand niks nie. Hier in die kaap geniet ons mekaar se kompetisie maar ons het nie nodig om so jaloers en kleinseerig te wees nie, hier is oor genoeg talent en goeie coaching vir almal. Ek skryf stadig net vir jou, ek hou van Affies se rugby, maar ek het geen lojaliteit teenoor hulle nie verstaan ons nou? Volgende jaar as my seun op skool is sal ek vra. Geniet die cw, ons sal sien wat maak jou BB.
@robbie: dit was n baie goeie 1ste dag met n paar taai wedstryde… kan ek my opinie gee oor wat na skool gebeur…. jou groter unies betaal duisende vir n skool seun wat dan op reputasie gaan en sommige van hulle is nie emosioneel volwasse om daardie druk te verwerk nie…. die unie moet hom kies ten koste van n ander seun wat wel harder moes werk om in die span te wees omdat hulle geld bele het in die eerste seun… tweedens word daar te veel op wen en te min op genot en talent spandeer…. kyk hoe celebrate die nz spanne na n drie en kyk wat doen sa en aus na n drie. Jy kan sien hulle geniet die game…. kyk hoe geniet die manne driee op CW dan vergelyk jy dit met ons super spanne saterdag…. ek se sa rugby moet se bv 200 jongmanne identifiseer en hulle deur o19 vlak in die currie beker develop tot die standaard wat ons soek…… nie net 2 of 3 unies nie….wanneer die manne op standaard is maak vodacom cup of varsity cup o23 en met net currie beker of s16 wat dan op meriete gaan…. jy sal veel beter talent en development kry met so stelsel……
@Hoot: Kan dalk strategies wees om manne so op te sit. Spaar groter verskeidenheid van vaardighede vir latere wedstryde. Ek verstaan elkeen moet ten minste een volle wedstryd speel, en kan net gesub word indien besering opduik?
@odie15: @Rugbyman: It’s definitely happened before. I can’t remember all the examples, but the one example that I can remember with certainty is the St Albans boy in 2012, Abongile Nonkontwana made the SA Schools side after playing for the Bulls team in the AW.
@BrotherBear: Ek verstaan Tiaan begin op bench vandag. Mark op 6. Pot op 7 en die Florida speler op 8.
@HooIt: is daar nie 2 bal stelers voor nie? Mark nogals goed met donkiewerk ook. Span sal maar moet aanpas met verloop van wedstryd Hoor die SWD nie so warm. Sal maar sien later – dis op boksie. Sterkte vir julle manne.
@Grasshopper: Crowshaw had a great game and pulled off a number of steals, and I though Maduna was great on defence. Can’t disagree with Buffel and H20 on the 2/8 discussion, although I though Richardson was great with ball in hand. It will be telling to see how we do against WP.
@BrotherBear: Stem saam in baie areas met jou. Dink fisies gaan ons voor kort vandag en as Mark nie op sy beste is nie gaan ons sukkel op die losbal. Kom ons kyk maar. Daar gaan te veel bal draers by die Leeus wees vandag en te min donkies.
WP CW was by tye absoluut skitterend. Het nooit die idee gehad dat hulle in die moeilikheid is ten spyte van 14-0 agterstand nie. Wat wel pla is hulle gesukkel in die skrums en hul onvermoe om druk toe te pas op die opposisie se ingooie in lynstaan nie. Die agterlyn gaan nog verder versterk word met Du Plessis se insluiting op vleuel. Boland gaan beslis ook van hulle laat hoor hoewel hulle seker gister hul beste span gespeel het.
Ek het gister meer skills gesien op een dag as wat ek Saterdag by al die Super 15 wedstryde saam gesien het. Wonder of die experts nou tevrede is ? Nou die groot vraag : Wat word van hierdie styl van total rugby na skool ? Hoe is dit moontlik dat ons afrigters op die vlak dit regkry om hierdie pragtige rugby uit hulle uit te dril binne 2 jaar nadat die spelers skool verlaat het.
Gister was beslis die beste eerste dag van CW wat ek nog gesien het.
See Wp playing KZN tommorow.Should be 20 points plus.Province scrum their weakness.
willemse,Moerat Rass,jooste lombaaard and maybe khanya should be certs for sa schools.Muller du plessis should also be there
kzn/ep a very low level game-no sa schools contenders
@h2o: Always said Richardson was an 8 and Prinsloo to start at 2. In a tournament like this you need grunt and physicality. Prinsloo has that in abundance. Richardson has played most if not all his rugby a loose forward. Very late to switch to hooker in the biggest schoolboy tournament in the country where reputations and careers are born.
@Ploegskaar, @Die Ken, @Hooit: Die manne vertel my dat Leeus AW span met ten minste 60 moet gewen het. Voorlangs totaal gedomineer maar agter was afronding ‘n probleem. Ek weet agterlyn is baie gevaarlik indien hulle kliek.
Op vraag of AW no 8 in CW span moet wees: wel, verstaan dat hy (Liam van den Berg) gister man of the match was. Well done aan Helpmekaar. Dit se dalk ook iets oor sy vermoe, potensiaal, BMT, ens. Gesprekke was al vroeer gehou, maar persoonlik sou my CW lostrio die volgende gewees het:
6 – Mark Snyman
7 – Liam van den Berg
8 – Cristen van Niekerk
Dis nou na die maal en manne sal maar moet uithaal en wys, waar hulle gekies is. Dis die lekker ding van altwee toernooie op een site. Keurders (afrigter invloed) gaan in toekoms 2 maal moet dink voor hulle manne voortrek (Monnas en Florida). Geneuk is dat hulle dalk manne heeltemal sal uit los.
Hou ons asb op hoogte van gebeure.
Curtis and then later Ritchie… the latter coming onto the field in the 2nd half and also having some good runs. my question is they choose Richardson as #2 but play him at 8?????? with the way it looks now Voster will be the go to man at hooker if 16 battles plus he picked up a injury….. imo they should have chosen DR at #8 from the beginning…and excuse me if i sound a bit biased have chosen a more reputable #2 We will see against a stronger WP pack what the selection process thought is. Sharks have silenced a lot of critics on day 1 with their game plan and execution… hope it builds for the rest of the week.
@h2o: you right, we lost I think 3 lineouts in a row, in front. So we need to sort that. We didn’t use JJ much at lineout time either. Maybe he is too big to lift, not sure. I would use him at 2 ball a lot & lighter flanks at 4 and at the back. Who was the flyhalf? Thought he played well, especially on defence
@Grasshopper: I agree with you but we battled at scrum time and line out time. I have never seen a front row hinge/pop backwards as the sharks did at the one scrum….with all 3 popping. I was dissapointed in EP and had the feeling if Mafu did not pitch up the rest of the team battled. it was only late in second half that they (EP)started playing to their true potential but by then the Sharks had done enough. Sharks were great in open play…. JJ was to in my opinion MOM…. Richardson and Meyer also stuck up their hands….10/12/13 were solid in attack and def…. 9 just needs to be more decisive at base of ruck sometimes taking a step before making option, if he is more assertive they will not put a hand on him. Yes Wednesday will be a true test.
Great day at Kearsney yesterday, impressed by the Boland side, especially No8, lock and loose head. WP were not as impressive as I thought they would be. Moerat is good, does what he needs too, but lacks physicality for me. He certainly isn’t an enforcer. KZN showed we no pushovers and all of the team had good games. Not being bias but JJ, Renier & Martin Holtzhausen had excellent outings, all putting their hands up for higher Honours. Richardson was busy & Jared Meyer led well. Excited by Weds vs WP…
@Die Ken: Laat ek so verduidelik. Die oorspronklike AW 8 was Van Niekerk. Monnas se 7 flank. Die CW slot van Monnas het toe ontrek agv n skouer operasie. Die AW 8, van Niekerk is toe opgetrek na CW span as slot. Die C span 8, van den berg, is toe opgetrek na AW.
@Stier… Vra asb vir Beet om jou te tooi in die Affie trui …. dit is eintlik maar waar jou denke, standpunte en stellings gewortel is…..Sterkte vir die BB CW span vandag…..
@Hooit: Het ek verkeerd gelees dat die AW 8, miskien op 5 ingespan gaan word (sy 0 16 posisie)?
@odie15: @Rugbyman: Yup, ek is amper seker dit het al in die verlede gebeur, my geheue verlaat my net.
@Ploegskaar:
@Ploegskaar: Daai een is n storie met 2 of eintlik 3 kante so ek los maar. Gaan nie by rugby politiek hier op die blog betrokke raak nie. Net die feite op daai een. AGV die ontrekking van die CW slot het die akademie 8 opgeskuif CW span toe en die huidige AW 8 opgeskuif AW toe. Sal vandag sien hoe lyk die CW losvoorspelers teen goeie kompetisie.
@odie15: The only negative is that you can’t watch sll the games. If you at the A field you cannot watch B firld games and the other way around. They should have played all CW games on Monday and Wednesday and all AW games on Tuesday and Thursday.
@odie15: As far as I know an academy week player can make the SA schools team…
@Ploegskaar: you there watching ? If so was Francke on fire? A question now that Akademie at same venue. Can an Akademie player make a SA Team?
@Hooit: Ek steur maar min wat ek hier lees, en weet dalk meer van Leeus en ander as wat jy reken. Op daai noot, dink jy nie Akademie 8 moes dalk in CW span gewees het nie? ?
@Ploegskaar: Moet maar nie alles glo wat jy hier lees nie. Dalk 1 of klein miskien 2 spelers wat ongelukkig kan wes om nie in CW span te wees nie. Ek glo die WP Akademie span behoort te wen. Leeus Akademie kom net nie reg nie. Moes vandag baie verder gewen het. Asof span nie saam speel nie en nog steeds proewe speel vir plek in CW span.
@Djou: Glo maar wat jy wil. Ek het een ding genoem wat jy gese het nie waar is nie en ek het dit so aanvaar. Nou is dit feite, meervoud? Soos ek se jy lees maar selektief.
@Hooit: Leeus sal op hul kop wees, netnie ‘n Riversdaller vlak kyk nie. WP Akademie vs Leeus Akademie gaan taai wees, Leeu Akademie span glo beter as CW span, of so sê ouens van Helpendehand
@Ploegskaar: Solank dit in n goeie gesindheid gebeur hiekom nie. Dit lyk my die Leeus rus n paar groot kanonne vir Donderdag. Die manne vir die fisiese game begin op die bench. Hoop maar dis nie n geval van die kar voor die perd span nie. Maar julle boere sal beter weet van kar en perd?
FIXTURES: WEDNESDAY, 13 JULY 2016
COCA‐COLA U18 CRAVEN WEEK ‐ STOTT FIELD
1 09h35 Griffons vs Griquas CD
2 11h00 Griquas vs Zimbabwe
3 12h25 Boland vs EP
4 13h50 Pumas vs Namibia
5 15h15 WP vs Sharks
COCA‐COLA ACADEMY WEEK ‐ AH SMITH OVAL
1 08h35 EP CD vs SWD
2 09h55 Valke CD vs Griquas CD
3 11h15 Griffons vs Pumas
4 12h35 Griffons CD vs SA LSEN
5 13h55 WP vs Lions
6 15h15 Sharks vs Border
@Stier: Jy het als op jouself gebring met verkeerde feite wat jy hier versprei wat opsigself ‘n persoonlike aanval op Garsies is en Garsies in diskrediet bring. Ons sal veel eerder op die rugby wil fokus. So as jy genoeg gehad het dan los ons dit daar.
@Vra maar net: Het my amper doodgelag toe ek Mark Antony Greeff se foto sien. Jy moet oppas om hom nie ongevraagd in te sleep in iets waarvan jy bitter min weet. Nietemin die een Persoon in die foto is nie ‘n afrigter nie maar ‘n ondersteuner van die skool en die ander een is verantwoordelik vir die Garsie provinsiale spelers se belange. So daar het jy dit. Tog vreemd dat die agent nie fotos plaas van die ander skole se verteenwoordigers nie. Maar nou ja noudat jou groot troefkaart op niks uitgeloop het nie moet jy na iets anders gaan soek om Garsies te slaan. Dis tog al rede waarom jy op die blog is. Ek begin al meer dink Garsies moet soos Affies maak en van die blog onttrek. Dan kan julle met julself speel.
akw, djou, bere007 en ander ek het geen probleem met garsies nie net julle dink ek het. Gaan lees bietjie en hou op om alles so persoonlik te vat. Hoekom is julle so fein gevoeling, het julle rede om te wees? Ek het dan self vir rugbyman verduidelik dat ek respek het vir wat garsies se afrigters met julle rugby reg gekry het. Maar julle persoonlike aanvalle op my is verstommend en ek moet wonder of dit die voorbeeld is wat garsies sou wou sien. Ek het oor al die skole gepraat in gauteng wat hier in die kaap ” help” nie net julle nie. Ek het julle as ‘n voorbeeld genoem nie uitgesonder as die enigste nie. Ek is nou al ‘n lafaard, liegbek, dom ens genoem? So ons moet mekaar net groet en vertel hoe oulik die skole is en nie praat oor dinge wat ons pla nie of wat ons voel moet dalk verander nie? Ek is nie ‘n politikus nie net ‘n coach wat van sport hou en wil he die bokke moet weer gereeld die AB’s se gate skop soos in die ou dae voor isolasie. En gaan lees maar weer ek het na die gemiddelde speler verwys en nie na die AB’s as gemiddeld nie. Dit lyk my dit is ‘n probleem hier, party mense lees baie selektief en sien meer in wat hulle lees as wat daar is. Ek hou van Affies se rugby ek weet bitter min wat by hulle of garsies of enige hoerskool in Pretoria aangaan. Laerskool sport waar die regte ontwikkeling moet plaasvind is baie nader aan my hart.
Maar wat dink julle manne van daai WP onder 18 cw span? Baie foute in die begin maar daai agterlyn is awesome of hoe seg ek? As hulle eers gaan kliek gaan die ander spanne moet sorg dat daai back line nie een bal kry nie.
@Stier: Amper vergeet ek. Die jaloesie jeens Garsies en pyn oor die skool se sukses drup van jou af en dit is daar vir almal om te sien. Selfs bloggers van ander skole wys jou nou tereg met jou verkeerde aannames. Terloops, ouers het hul kinders sedert die vanmelewe jare 1500 km weggestuur na skole toe omdat hulle beter geleenthede gesoek het. Trouens die soeke na beter geleenthede gebeur oor die wereld heen. Regtig jammer oor die groot pyn wat Garsies vir jou veroorsaak. Hoop jy kry pilletjies daarvoor.
@Vra maar net: Garsies het nog nooit beweer hulle werf nie. Maar jy het almal deurmekaar. Eers se jy agent Greeff – wie hy ookal is – het vir Garsies gewerf. Nou volgens jou werk hy teen Garsies en plaas fotos op Facebook. So watter een van die 2 is dit?
i@Stier: Dankie Stier. Jy is nie ‘n lafaard nie. Maar baie dinge is nou duidelik nadat jy jou belange verklaar het. Nou weet ons waarom jy so ‘n Garsie-hater is en jouself voortdurend weerspreek. Ek neem voortaan al jou beweri gs en nonsens met ‘n knippie sout.
@Hooit: Moet maar versigtig wees om nie botterballe en Riversdal Boere Ysters te verwar nie, man kan nogal in die pomp sit
@Stier: Nee wat, sal maar nie my tyd met jou mors nie.
Jy het verwys na gemiddelde spelers in die AB span, nou verdraai jy jou woorde om te maak asof jy na die AB span se gemiddeld verwys het.
Net wat ou maat, jy is te slim vir die res van ons.
@Stier…. Dankie die golf was lekker….Partymal staan n ou vroeg op as jy 300km moet ry om te gaan golf speel… Dit het ongelukkig niks met brandewyn te doen nie…..Dit klink vir my of jy die ridder op die wit perd is wat self van Gauteng af gery het om die Kaap te gaan waarsku teen die Gautengers en Garsfontein …..As ek so na jou gesange luister dan klink dit of jy een of ander politikus is of een in opleiding is…. Sterkte met daai loopbaan …. Dit hou ongelukkig nie lank nie ….die ouens begin met n spoed maar hardloop vinnig uit teer uit….. Hierdie is maar net n skole rugby blog en dit is al…..
@BoishaaiPa: I don’t have all of that available now…..But it’s great to look back and see the history. Currently many different stories or versions I am reading. But thanks that’s great.
By the way I see Francke is having a field day in WP Ak team now sounds like he is blossoming more the higher the level he plays in!
@Hooit: ja die beste lostrio wat ek in n lang tyd as n eenheid gesien het in die Namibia span….. ek dink hulle voete van die petrol affehaal in 2de helfde
BOG ja Sharks het probleme by afskop tyd… het elke keer wat hulle gescore het griffons toegelaat met sagte driee… nogsteeds n baie vloeiende game…
Sharks 47, Griffons 44. Griffons, the almost “non-existing” Northern Free State ? Confirms my comment that very few FS schools would ever be ashamed in KZN. Well done Griffons !
@h2o: Ja die Namibia game het meeste mense hier aan die praat. Dink as Namibia Woensdag teen Griffons speel kan dit die mooiste game van die week wees.
Party van die scores AW…
Blou valke 8 SASLEN 15
Griffons 19 EP CD 15
Border 28 Griekwas CD 13
Lions 30 Pumas 11
Sharks 47 Griffons 44
CW tellings
Griekwas CD 9 Zim 16
Griekwas 36 Namibia 54
Griffons 29 Pumas 31
WP 41 Boland 20
My wedstryde sover AW Sharks v Griffons… Griffons v Pumas CW en Namibia v Griekwas
@Rugbymal: I do not have all the final scores but Namibia beat the Griquas comfortable. Pumas beat the Griffons with 2 points. WP beating tge Boland comfortable in the end. Sharks EP playing now.
@LAEVELDER: Ek het al so genoem ook verskeie kere
http://www.schoolofrugby.co.za/news/8931-sa-skole-span-kan-vanjaar-so-lyk
Interesting reading.
@Hooit:
Puma/Griffon game baie close.. JC Pretorius van HTS klop hard aan die Skolespan deur!!
@Hooit: Can you pse keep us posted or those of us who don’t have the luxury of being in front of a tv with the scores.
Thanks
My predictions at 237 pretty accurate so far except for Namibia. Namibia a nice surprise. Now EP to take the Sharks.
@Oakdale supporter: Ek weet. Het maar probeer om die nou eentonige bespreking van beurse te stop. I see in the program booklet SWD smaller than the Lions. Assume they will not play it up front but try to take it wide.
Lets comment on today’s rugby.
@Leelu: Ben, dankie. Negatiewe? Ek dink julle kyk die ouens reg in julle eie stad mis en dit is hartseer maar goed as dit negatief is so be it. Maar soos jy se ek mors my tyd. Die “talent” is seker maar hier in die kaap?
Selfde daar.
@Vra maar net: Nie geweet jy en agent-x is sulke goeie maats nie… ons het darem 5 outjies in die span… eks seker die manne mag gaan support? Die manne is die week by die cravenweek ook…
@Stier: Die afrigter waarna jy verwys by Laerskool Uitsig se naam is Ben. Hy is ook ‘n Blou Bul onder 13 afrigter.
Waak daarteen om Garsfontein (en amper alle ander skole) se werwings beleid slegs vanuit ‘n negatiewe oogpunt te sien. Soms is ons geneig om soveel klem op die negatiewe te plaas dat ons die positiewe nie raaksien.
Daar is baie Kaapse kinders wat ‘n geleentheid gebied is by ‘n paar Gauteng skole (nie slegs Garsfontein) wat die geleentheid met beide hande aangegryp het. Die kinders se harde werk en dissipline gepaard met die skool se insette het veroorsaak dat die kinders hoogtes bereik wat hul dalk nie in hul eie omgewing sou kon bereik nie.
Kom ons fokus eerder op die positiewe. Soos die Engels mense sal se “you are flogging a dead horse”
Lekker dag.
@Stier: “Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is?”
Yes, I offered my son such an opportunity and I can name at least 50 other friends/parents that have done the same. I think that you’ll be a much happier chappie when you accept that not everyone is obliged to see the world the way that you do.
@Rugbyman: Alles het begin by die werwing van kinders in die kaap. Enige kind wat na enige skool wil gaan is sy keuse en dit is reg. Om ‘n kind 1500km van sy huis te vat deur hom te WERF is iets anders. Soos ek reeds gevra het sal jy jou kind ‘n 1500km van die huis wil he as hy nog op skool is? Ek neem aan die antwoord is nee want vroer het niemand die vraag beantwoord nie.
Soos jy verduidelik het het julle dit in die begin gedoen omdat kinders in PTA se eerste keuse rugby skool nie garsies was nie en hulle eerder Affies of Waterkloof gekies het. So die kinders in die kaap is gewerf vir hulle rugby nie om garsies se wiskunde standard te lig nie.
Baie skole daar in gauteng werf of kom help arm kinders in die kaap. Soos reeds genoem is,is daar heelwat kaapse kinders in Laerskool Florida se o/13 a span. Dink jy laerskool kinders moet al gewerf of gehelp word? En dit vir rugby? Onthou net heirdie ouers en kinders sal nooit kla nie al is dit hoe moeilik vir hulle. Ek het ook sulke mense al gehelp ek praat uit ondervinding.
Wat dinge egter verdag maak is dat heelwat gautengs skole in die laaste tien jaar die behoefte ontwikkel het om arm kinders in die kaap te kom help. Dit is ook verdag dat dit gewoonlik net nie blanke arm kinders is wat goed rugby speel wat gehelp word?
Daar is oorgenoeg kinders in gauteng wat ook rugby speel en ook arm is en ook “hulp” nodig het, en hulle almal gaan nie Affies of Waterkloof toe nie. Ek het geen probleem met enige ou wat mense help nie dit word van ons vereis en ek doen dit ook. Maar jy moet erken die kaap/gauteng skole band met werwing is baie ongewoon en het maar onlangs eers begin hoekom nie in 1940 of 60 of 80 of 90 nie?
@Hooit: Voor jy Donderdag en Saterdag se games beplan, moet julle eers more vir SWD wen.
@Vra maar net: Verstaan mense nog steeds nie dat jy nie bewerings kan maak op sosiale media nie.Ek dink dit is gevaarlik.Die persoon waarna jy verwys wat dit op facebook plaas is uit lyn uit.
@akw: daar bevestig jy myne ook, enige span het ‘n gemiddeld selfs die all blacks. Hulle gemiddeld mag dalk bo ander sin wees maar hulle het nog steed ‘n gemiddeld of hoe? Tensy ek die konsep van gemiddeld verkeerd verstaan, net soos julle konsep van transformasie verskil van die regering sin?
@odie15: It was only in 1903 they donned the green jersey for the first time…before that they used the jersey of whatever club/union that hosted the match. The very first test was played at Crusaders ground in Port Elizabeth (St Georges Park) and Crusaders apparently used blue jerseys in those days so it is assumed that the boks wore that same jerseys…they played in white jerseys for the 3rd test at Newlands..presumably Villagers colours. There is a picture of the 1891 Newlands team where you can clearly see they are wearing white jerseys. I got confused re the Bishops OD jersey..it was only introduced by Heatlie in 1903 yes…and it was green.
@Stier. Jy is seker nou klaar gepraat
@Rugbyman & Djou. Julle moet op agent Greeff se facebookblad gaan kyk. Kyk neem fotos van Garsie afrigters wat glo werf
@tzavosky: I will do a bit more research pertaining the origin of the boundaries. But this is my knowledge of it.
@BoishaaiPa: Straight from the Bishops site. The Green jersey for Boks was more the work of Heatlie of Bishops not the schools jerseys itself, well as it says his wife chose the wardrobe for teams and it was given by them. Bishops use Oxford colours.
“Then it also had the great South African rugby personality and thinker of last century ion Barry Heatlie, whose nickname was usually Fairy but also Ox. Heatlie, who helped to found the Old Diocesans’ Union, also formed an Old Diocesans RFC. In forming the old boys’ union he – or rather his wife –had worked out colours. The predominant colour was green. In days when dyeing was the simplest way of getting rugby jerseys, the OD RFC decided to use green – myrtle green.
Touring teams came to South Africa in 1891, 1896 and 1903. In those days the local union would appoint a captain who would pick a team to represent South Africa and give them jerseys to play in. When Heatlie became captain in 1896 he gave them his club’s jerseys – and South Africa won for the first time. When he was again made captain in 1903 he gave his teams green jerseys again and South Africa won a series for the first time. And so South Africa still plays in green jerseys.In 1903 Gerald Orpen of SACS and two Bishops men, Fairy Heatlie and Biddy Anderson, pushed through a recommendation that the springbok be added to the jersey. It had been intended for 1903 but first came to pass in 1906.”
@Rugbyman: Ons praat veby mekaar. Ek dink nie Uitsig High sal baie skole wen nie ……hahaha
@Stier: Daar is baie talent in pretoria… ek praat van uitsig hoërskool, jy duidelik van die laerskool.
Jy het genoem, sarkasties as ek jou post reg verstaan het: “Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik?” As jy nie sarkasties was nie vra ek verskoning…
Net so terloops is daar behoeftige kinders van pretoria ook in ons skool en in ons koshuis wat ons ook help. Ek hoef nie als aan jou te verduidelik nie…
Wat laerkool rugby aanbetref is ek redilik op hoogte omdat my kinders in die laerskool is…
Eks nie presies seker wat jou issue is nie… is dit oor ons werf? Oor ons onder andere kinders vd kaap geleenthede gee? Dalk mis ek iets iewers? Kinders is tog kinders, of staan jy in die pad van n geleentheid vir n kind?
@Stier: Die gemiddelde outjie wat All Blacks speel?????
Daar bevestig jy al my vermoedes…..
@Rugbyman: Ek het nog nooit garsfontein se afrigting gekritiseer nie. Gaan lees bietjie ek het gese dit is awesome as mense kinders kan coach om hulle beter te maak.
Dan Carter? Is jy erinstig? Daai manne is once in a generation spelers. Die gemiddelde outjie wat all black / springbok of wat ook al speel het daar gekom deur harde werk en goeie afrigting. En selfs Dan sou niks gewees het as hy net op sy talent staat gemaak het. Hoe weet jy of ‘n o/13 seun een dag 2 meter lank gaan wees? Jy raak nou snaaks. Ek se jou die kinders maak nie garsfontein sterk nie die afrigters doen. Dit is nog die hele tyd my argument selfs oor transformasie. Alle kinders het talent nie almal dieselfde nie maar almal kan gecoach word en as hulle hard werk sal hulle suksesvol kan wees.
Wat dink jy sal gebeer as garsfontein ‘n gemiddelde coach aanstel? Sal hulle nog steeds wen? Dit is die punt. Hulle kan enige kinders werf en hulle ontwikkel.
Uitsig het vyf kinders in die BB se o/13 span gehad meer as enige ander skool in Pretoria. Jy hoef my nie te vertrou nie, maar gaan kyk wat in jou eie provinsie aangaan. Geen wonder julle werf in die kaap. Lyk my julle weet meer van kaapse rugby as julle eie dorp se rugby. Weet jy ooit wat in Pretoria op laerskool vlak aangaan?
Daar is oorgenoeg talent in Pretoria op laerskool vlak vir garsfontein affies waterkloof Menlo en almal.
@Rugbyman: Maak so. Sien dit gaan nou moontlik n slegte gewoonte word om julle in n semi finaal te speel.
@Hooit: bang pa’s dan…? Net ‘n ou grappie… geniet dit daar! Dis koud in pta…
@odie15: Ek betwyfel of Dok Craven betrokke was by die bepaling van die WP-Boland grense. Na sy studies het hy in 1936 by St Andrews in Grahamstown gaan skoolhou en in 1939 het hy by die Weermag aangesluit en is hy Pretoria toe.
Hy het eers in 1947 teruggekeer Stellenbosch toe en toe ook net tydelik aangesien sy werk by die Weermag nie afgehandel was nie.
Ek dink ook ‘n mens kan aanvaar dat die grondwerk vir die tot standkoming van Boland reeds voor 1939 moes plaasgevind het.
@Rugbyman: Ons ma’s het nie bang kinders groot gemaak nie. Ek dink dit kan en gaan n groot rol speel. As als volgens plan verloop speel ons jul Donderdag en WP Saterdag?
@odie15: Ek gaan nie stry nie maar sover ek weet kom die WP streeptruie van SACS af …daai jare het spanne gewoonlik hulle local span wat truie beskikbaar het se truie gevat…so was die eerste Bokspan geklee in Bishops truie..Blou truie want die meeste spelers het van Bishops gekom. WP het SACS se truie gebruik sover my kennis strek.
@Hooit: The boys will have to man-up then… of is julle wesrand manne bang?
Today I experienced the heat at 11in the morning in Durban. I do not see any rugby player not used to it playing a full 70 minutes of fast paced rugby between 11 and 14 in the day. This is a huge plus on the side of the Sharks team.
@Djou: soos ek reeds gese het ek hou van affies en hjs.
@Stier: Presies wat ek gedink het. Jy het baie te sê oor ander skole maar is te lafhartig om jou eie skool te noem. Is jy bang vir kritiek wat kan volg soos jy dit uitdeel. Indien nie, verklaar dan jou betrokkenheid dan trek ek die stelling van lafhartigheid terug.
@Stier: Jy kan maar die definisie van transformasie gaan google. Net omdat die president of wie ookal dit vertolk soos hulle wil beteken nie dat dit transformasie is nie.
@Stier: Klink my jys n uitstekende politikus of prokereur… lees net wat jy wil in mense se posts en draai dit dan reguit in jou rigting. Ek was eerlik en reguit met jou en toe verdraai jy my woorde en lees tussen die lyne wat jou pas. Ek het nooit gesê pretoria se laerskool rugby is swak nie… die feit dat jy nog verwys na waterkloof en affies wat die bestes vat wys ook hoe ver agter die tyd jou inligting is. Net so ter inligting, garsfontein het die jaar vir waterkloof met die o14s geklop met meer as 40 punte… dieselfde waterkloof span het teen affies gelykop gespeel… garsfontein se o16s klop ook vir waterkloof gemaklik en daai waterkloof span het vir affies gewen… ek haat dit om wedstryde so te vergelyk maar ek hoop dit staaf my punt. Die bestes gaan nie meer noodwendig waterkloof en affies toe nie! Daai dae is verby…
Wat ek wel in n kort tydjie van jou geleer het is dat jy nie vertrou kan word nie… die feit dat ek reguit en eerbaar met jou was en jou reaksie daarna was om die minste te sê interessant. Uitsig se rugby? Sê gou vir my… hoe sterk is dit? Hoekom gaan die top sportmanne dan nou nie uitsig toe as dit so wonderlik is nie?
Jy kritiseer ons afrigting ook… op wat basseer jy die stellings? Ons afrigter werk baie hard so ek dink dis uiters ongevraagd van jou as jy geen feite het nie…
Hiers vir jou ‘n newsflash… sonder talent op hoërskool vlak en laerskool vlak is jy nerens… mens kan n gemiddelde speler great maak met coaching en n swak speler gemiddeld… maar jy gaan nie ‘n Daniel Carter of Kieran Reed so coach nie… hy word so gebore en dan slyp jy hom reg… anders was ons almal net so jaar of 2 se oefening van hussain bolt af… Garsfontein het vir baie jare probeer om met die kinders wat op daai stadium nie waterkloof en affies toe gaan nie daardie skole te wen. Die wiskunde werk egter nie as jy ‘n 85kg stut teen n 120kg stut speel en ‘n 1.85m slot teen ‘n 2.00m slot in die lynstaan sit nie… nog minder as jy ‘n vleuel het wat 11.5 op die 100m hol teen ‘n vleuel wat 10.5 hol nie… of n senter wat 70kg weeg teen n senter speel wat 95kg weeg nie… dis die realiteit… coaching vat jou net so ver…
Laaste punt… as jy dink waterkloof en affies “help” nie minder bevooregte kinders nie leef jy in n droom wereld… waterkloof was vir baie jare die baanbrekers in die verband. Net die jaar was affies op die spoor van twee van ons top o16s… dit word wel gedoen dmv ouers maar dit gebeur beslis…
The weather in Durban is fantastic. Good week of rugby ahead
@AntonT: @Stier: Boland Rugby union was only established in 1939. WP rugby was already 58 years old. These WP Jerseys were the colours of Malmesbury Rugby Football Club, established in 1881. Malmesbury today is deep inside Boland boundaries. Maties was always part of WP rugby from the start. So when the new union and WP drew up the respective areas Doc Craven was well into his tenure as rugby official in the Cape. Maties/WP relationship will never be broken due to DOC’s passion for his 2 teams he played for. There was a lot of give and take. Obviously in that time the schools were also involved with the boundaries as well. Years ago athletics fell under WP platteland. Cricket still today Brackenfell which is well within WP catchment plays in Boland league. Each sporting code has a different boundary decided by their administrators. But rugby was based on 1 man’s life long passion.
Jammer ek het Jacobs (Laerskool Stellenbosch, Stellenbosch) vergeet. Dit maak dit dan 9 van Paarl/Stellenbosch en 4 van Strand/Somerset.
WP o/13 Dante, Keegan, Van Heerden (Lochnerhof, Strand), Janneman (Eikestad, Stellenbosch), Corne (Klein Gim, Paarl), Kunene, Jacques, Ayden, Arendse, Mukabdam, Snyman (Klein Bios, Paarl). Met al die beserings in die agterlyn is Wyade (Somerset West Primary, Somersetwes) ook bygevoeg.
Strand /Somerset area 4
Stellenbosch 1
Paarl 7
@AntonT: By die proewe het Strand , Gordensbaai, Somerset, Stellenbosch en Paarl die WP platteland streek op gemaak.
Soos ek gese het ek self verstaan nie how die grense werk nie. In die Strand val party sport onder WP en ander weer onder Boland.
@Stier: Net hier reg help met WP u/13 , meer as die helfte van die span is beslis nie uit die Stellenbosch of Paarl nie. Uit die 23 is 8 uit die noordelike voorstede, 5 uit Strand en Gordensbaai en net 5 uit bo genoemde Stellenbosch/Paarl area. Die res uit Suidelike/stad area. Met ander woorde 21% uit die Boland. Die res is almal regte WP.
@Djou: Ek is nie by enige een skool betrokke nie maar by baie. So waai een praat jy van?
So verduidelik jy dan transformasie sodat ek ook kan verstaan. Ek luister graag. SASCOC dink duidelik dit gaan oor ras. Ons hoof afrigter en president is by ‘n SASCOC vergadering reguit vertel dat as hulle nie die ras kwota reg kry nie SASCOC ons nie meer sal ondersteun as ons athlete in die buiteland gaan deelneem nie.
@Stier: Jy verstaan duidelik nie transformasie nie. Vir jou gaan dit oor ras waar dit duidelik baie wyer is.
@Stier: Is jy skaam vir jou skool?
@Bere007: @djou. Julle manne moet relax nie alle stellings is op garsies gemik nie. Vat ‘n branna saam met daai 3:15 golf game so in die winter?
Die laerskole in pta se rugby is baie swak, selfs rugbyman en djou het dit bevestig. Die feit dat hulle talent in die kaap kom soek het. As jy nie uit 18000 laerskool kinders in Centurion nie genoeg talent kan kry vir jou skool nie, selfs nadat die top ouens Affies en waterkloof toe is nie, dan is daar ‘n groot probleem. Wie weet hoeveel duisende sit daar dan nog in die res van Pretoria. En van hulle is kom arm en sal hull waardeer. As julle se julle het regtig alles probeer in pta maar niemand wou kom nie dan moet ek dit so aanvaar. Rugbyman het verduidelik hoekom en wat julle gedoen het ek dink dit was gedoen as ‘n vinnige en makliker opsie. En nie die kinders in Atlantis of Pretoria Wes se belang is bo die van die skool se rugby gesit nie, dit is nou ook erken.
Wat ek ook nie verstaan nie is as die coaching so goed is hoekom is die talent so belangrik? Dit is nog altyd my punt, in SA dink ons talent is alles, en dit is nie. Hoeveel o/13 cw spelers maak die o/18 span as hulle ouer is? Ons almal weet bitter min maak dit weer maar steeds gebruik skole cravenweek om talent te soek. Dink self hoeveel o/18 cw spelers maak dit nie verder nie?
Talent op onder 13 vlak soek is baie gevaarlik, jy het geen idee eers hoe die kind se liggaam gaan ontwikkel nie. Ek wonder hoeveel geld en tyd al gemors is om talent te scout en dan speel die kind nie eers in matriek eerste span nie, never mind provinsiaal. Of scout julle eers as die kinders ouer is?
Soos ek reeds gese het dit maak nie saak waar ‘n kind skool gaan nie of dit nou Affies of julle is solank hy daar wou gewees het. As ‘n kind egter gewerf word en gelok word deur beloftes aan hom en sy ouers te maak veral as die mense nie wel af is nie? Nee dit is iets anders. Maar net ‘n uitnodiging en hy kom, geen probleem.
En transformasie is nie om ‘n nie blanke kind in ‘n wit skool te sit nie. Transformasie is om daan nie blanke kind se skool te help om net sulke goeie coaching soos julle te he. En daar le die rede hoekom ons nooit rugby sal transformeer nie. Gaan kyk by laerskool Uitsig en Sutherland High dit is transformasie.
Garsies het hulle program soos jy se en dit het gewerk en was suksesvol vir hulle. Geniet die sukses en dit lyk of dit nou ‘n verskil gaan maak in die kinders se lewens daar in Garsfontein woongebied. Of gaan die kinders wat altyd Affies en Waterkloof toe gegaan het nou dalk net Garsies toe gaan? Het julle program garsies gehelp of het julle ook die speler pool in Pretoria vergroot? As julle meer moeite gedoen het om in PTA te scout sou julle nie dieselfde kom behaal het nie?
Soos ek se geniet julle sukses maar ek sou dit anders probeer het. Of my plan sal werk sal ons nooit weet nie.
Lekker golf speel.
@Djou: Ja, ek weet van die kapperjolle in die Vlaktes, maar soos met n goeie huwelik, hou hulle die verskille in die “slaapkamer”, rugbygewys natuurlik.Ja, ou Frantz Fanon het al baie miljoene se breins vernietig, onomkeerbaar lyk dit vir my- amper so veel as Carl Jung, Wundt en Siegmund Freud saam. En natuurlik, staan ons weer op die drumpel van CW, waar helfte van die spanne sal moet meeding, maar met hulle skoenveters aan mekaar vasgebind. En daar le die ironie natuurlik. Was dit nie vir hierdie maatskaplike ingenieurswese van regeringskant nie, sou die gesprek wat julle hiebo gehad het, waarskynlik gladnie plaasgevind het nie.
@BOG: Jy weet mos die sentrale streek het hul gevegte gehad. Dit was altyd die ander skole teen Grey wanneer dit gekom het by die kies van Cravenweekspanne. En toe word die ander skole se manne tot die keurpaneel verkies. En wat gebeur, die Greyspelers word steeds gekies. Nou is daar niks om oor te stry nie!
@BOG: Interessant genoeg, ek het jou sienings verfrissend gevind – die waarheid maak soms seer! Die probleem waarom mense mekaar nie kan vind nie is omdat elkeen gewoonlik bietjie reg is maar die ander party ignoreer die bietjie omdat die beginsel oor ‘n wye kam geskeer word. Ek dink meeste van ons wil alles net laat werk, maar die bril waardeur ons kyk verskil en gevolglik gaan die metodes verskil.
Kyk maar nou na die manier waarop die studente die taaldebat by UP hanteer. Hulle weier botweg om ‘n greintjie waarheid aan die ander kant te respekteer en Frantz Fanon is hul hero. Revolusionêre oplossings is al wat hulle pas en daarmee saam geweld. Vreedsame gesprekke is nie wat hulle wil hê nie!
@Hooit: Die braai was nooit af nie!
Lyk vir my of ek maar eerder weer n politieke gesprek hier moet begin, in n poging om die vrede te herstel. As julle dan moet baklei, dan vind ek die Noord-Suid provinsiale handsakgevegte, die interessantste. Daarna die KZN interne toernooi. Vir my altyd verstommend hoe die Sentrale gebied sy neus skoonhou in hierdie debat.
@Djou: So is die braai nou weer aan?
@Djou: bly om te sien my favourite Garsie is vars en op die been op hierdie pragtige Saterdag oggend.
Kan ek maar kom handskud op die 23e? Jy sal my maklik herken, ek dra gewoonlik ‘n wit Helpmekaar ondersteuner hoed en baadjie.
@Riempies: Ek dink jy moet dalk weer lees. Ek het duidelik gestel hy kan dit bekostig – en nee hy lieg nie, anders sou sy kind nie in Helpies gewees het nie en hy nie elke skooldag so ver hoef te gery het nie. Smaak my julle weet nie alles van jul skool af nie.
@Stier: Ongelukkig lees jy nie ja!
Hier is ‘n paar voorbeelde en beskrywing.
Ons het ouens soos BoishaaiPa en Ploegskaar leer ken as ouens met integriteit. Ons stem nie noodwendig saam met BoishaaiPa se manier waarop hy die top 20-bereken nie, maar hy het mdie werklike inligting. En Ploegskaar het al mooi verduidelik dat alle skole werf en hoe die manier van befondsing werk. Dit verskil van skool tot skool, maar dit is ‘n feit dat alle skole beurse gee – net die manier van finansiering verskil. So, vind eerder by BoishaaiPa uit hoe die spesifieke gevalle werk dan sal jy die waarheid kry.
My en Rugbman se stories kan nie wisselvallig wees nie want ons het van die begin af saamgewerk. Ons is wel moeg vir ouens om op die blog een of ander braaivleisstorie te kom kwytraak en dit verder te versprei. Dit is dus nie liggeraaktheid nie, maar gatvolheid.
En soos hoeveel keer al verduidelik het die skool se BL in 2010 besluit die skool moet transformeer – van akademie tot sport, en dit beteken transformasie op alle gebiede met die einddoel dat die vlak van uitnemendheid verhoog. Dit het die vestiging en inwerkingstelling van verskeie nuwe strukture en bedryfsplanne geverg. En toe begin dit werk want die skool se akademie styg uit en so ook sportspanne.
Presies toe begin die mense kla en braaivleisstories versprei. Die ergste was toe Affies se hoof in die Beeld leuens vertel het oor Garsies se rugby en die seuns beledig het – en hy en Affies besef steeds tot vandag toe nie hoe seer dit die Garsfonteingemeenskap gemaak het nie. Veral omdat hy ‘n persoon van aansien was. Interessant dat dit gebeur het in die week na Garsies vir Waterkloof met 44-19 geklop het terwyl Affies self ver teen Waterkloof verloor het.
Nietemin, Garsies het van die begin af dit duidelik gestel dat hulle gaan begin werf. En hoe werf jy in jou eie gemeenskap as die kinders verby jou skool ry na Waterkloof, Menlopark en Affies. So, daar is besluit om buite die skool se grense te werf – ook in ooreenstemming met die transformasiebeginsel is besluit om seuns met talent wat min van ‘n toekoms het ‘n kans te gee. En nee, dit is nie net seuns van kleur nie (kyk na Bere 007 se skrywe hierbo).
En soos Rugbyman verduidelik het, die seuns ry nie meer verby die skool nie (daar is nog hier en daar een of twee). En daar is soos ek gesê het letterlik 100e oproepe en e-posse van ouers wat nou navraag doen om hul kinders by Garsies in te skryf – sonder dat die skool hulle genader het. En dit wissel van akademiese- tot sportredes. En daar is nou waglyste!
Al wat die skool wou gehad het is dat die seuns in die omgewing Garsies toe kom – en dit het ‘n proses geverg soos verduidelik – waarna werwing buite die skool se grense minder sou word. En soos Rugbyman noem was die proses suksesvol want Garsies was verlede jaar suksesvol om meeste van die laerskole in die omgewing se o.13’s te werf en vanjaar se o.14’s is een van die topspanne in SA.
Daar is dus geen wisselvalligheid in ons stories nie – en ek raak moeg vir ouens soos BrotherBear wat dit goeddink om gereeld een of ander leuen oor Garsies hier te versprei (wat enersyds onbegryplik is waarom ‘n persoon dit wil doen en andersyds ook onbegryplik waarom ouens soos jy daarna inspring om dit verder toe voer). En na BrotherBear een keer gesê het hy is jammer – en almal vergewe hom en dink als is OK – begin hy maar net weer.
@Hooit @Riempies: Soos alle skole sal Helpies baie welkom wees by Garsies en ‘n hartlike ontvangs kry en hopelik sal die skole as groter vriende uiteengaan. Vriendskapsbande is belangriker as ‘n wen. Ons sal nooit Helpies beoordeel op grond van een persoon se agenda nie.
@odie15… Thank you for clarifying that anomaly….
@Stier……gesonde kompetisie maak jou rugby net sterker … Vra maar vir die All Blacks ….ek stel nie heeltemal saam hier mee nie maar kom ek stel jou gou gerus oor die plaaslike talent as jy dit so wil noem waaroor jy so bekommerd is…Lourens en Johan speel Goue Leeus….Jan-Henning en Franco ,SA o/20…Le Roux is gekontreakteer deur Racing Metro….dan is daar nog baie seuns by 0/19 en 0/16 Blou Bulle spanne/toernooie…Bees was voorspeler van die week by Potch en hou vir Ryno en n paar ander manne dop by die o/19 toernooi…. Die lank en die kort is plaaslike seuns trek ook voordeel en word ook ontwikkel omdat jy gesonde kompetisie en goeie afrigters het ….jy het ongelukkig nie my ander vrae geantwoord nie want ek weet dit gaan oor die heilige koei wat niemand meer oor wil praat nie en ek stel in elke gaval ook nie belang om meer daaroor te praat nie….die golf roep nou
@Stier: @Rugbyrealis: @Bere007: Paarl and Stellenbosch schools is a product of Doc Craven’s legacy. With Maties sitting in Stellies he was’nt interested in it being part of the Boland setup. As administrator he made boundaries to suit his wishes. Hence in cricket and other sports being part of Boland. Moving forward the Boland area is huge and many schools are represented in Boland. I doubt they want the Big 4 to join Boland league. Let’s be honest here we talking about Paul Roos, Boland Landbou, Paarl Gim and Boishaai. Currently Labore is part of Boland league and they are smack bang in the middle of Paarl. It might have been the schools choice to be part of the Boland league. I know in hockey they have Northern and Southern suburbs leagues and same with Athletics. I don’t know if WP would be happy to let the Big 4 be part of Boland. In Cape Town The Northern suburbs (Belleville, Durbanville and Brackenfell) and the Strand area produce huge amount of players a year that league in primary school level is tough.
@Bere007: Dit is die hele punt as jy goeie afrigters het kan jy enige kind wat die regte houding het ontwikkel tot ‘n top atleet. Jy kan die kinders naaste aan jou gebruik en dit gaan nie saak maak nie.
Jy hoef nie kinders van buite jou provinsie te werf nie.
Moenie worry nie rugbyman het mooi verduidelik hoe hulle te werk gegaan het en hoekom hulle dit so gedoen het. Hy het ook genoem dat die plaaslike manne nou ook gaan baat en dit is baie goed vir julle en die Bulle en SA. Kom ons hoop net hulle gaan nou nog meer skole soos Stellies help om ook so te maak. En meer belangrik hoop ek hulle kan die laerskole in Pretoria help om meer te doen vir die rugby.
Die Boland WP ding maak vir my niks sin nie. Ek weet hoekom WP nie Stellenbosch en Paarl wil los nie want dit sal hulle baie verswak veral op skole vlak. Die o/13 WP span het vandag die finaal teen kzn gewen en ek dink meer as die helfte van die WP span was van die “WP plateland” ( Paarl, Stellenbosch en Strand/Somersetwes).
Alle krediet aan hulle en ek ken hulle nie maar ek is mal oor mense wat iets uit niks uit bou, solank dit nie gedoen word ten koste van ander nie. Dit het ek ook al baie gesien dat mense met ander mense se kallers ploeg.
Cravenweek vir laerskole en Grant Khomo was ‘n reuse sukses.Puik aangebied en rugby van hoë standaard by albei groepe.Bulle se 016 span was puik en baie geluk aan die afrigtingspan.Volgens my is SA Rugby op juniorvlak baie gesond en as daar nie op die boonste vlakke nie resultate is nie, kan die skole sisteem verseker nie blameer word nie.
@Stier…. Ek dink ons almal deel jou bekommernis….maar dit is vir my baie vreemd dat jy Garsies probeer uitsonder….my seuns was van graad RR tot graad 12 in Garsfontein L & H ……glo my daai “helpende hand” storie van jou dra ongelukkig geen water nie….ek kan vir jou legio gevalle gee van seuns wat al wel deur die jare genader is ….dalk kan jy vir ons ook n paar antwoorde verskaf…. verduidelik asb die rugby skole grense tussen die Boland en die WP en hoekom is dit anders as die ander sport soorte in die Kaap bv Boland Landbou is WP maar Stellenbosch is Boland? … Wat is volgens jou die verskil tussen n seun van Atlantis is Garsies se koshuis en n seun van Nelspuit in Affies se koshuis? …onthou ook asb seuns moet afgerig en ontwikkel word om goeie rugby provinsiaal en nasionaal te kan speel….Dink jy nie Rugbyman en die afrigters verdien darem n bietjie krediet vir die ongelooflike werk wat hulle met die seuns doen nie ?…. n seun kom nie net by n skool aan en word n ster nie…. hy moet ontwikkel word….glo my die seuns en hulle ouers in ons koshuis waardeer die ontwikkeling (sport ,akademie en persoonlik) wat hulle by Garsies kry….volgens my behoort kleur in elk geval glad nie n eers genoem te word nie want seuns sien nie kleur hulle sien net maats….
@Stier: Iemand her genoem hoe groot die laerskole in Pretoria is getalle gewys. Nou die vraag is hou hou jy proewe vir 2000 + rugby seuns van verskillende skole om die beste te kry. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink NZ het minder rugby skole wat beter ontwikkel. Dit is baie makliker om n span uit 6 skole as uit 60 skole te kies.
Ek voel cw is nice om te he en gee ons iets om oor te praat, maar ek dink ook dit dien eintlik geen doel nie. Ons almal weet hoeveel politiek is betrokke by die kies van spanne. Ek het die laaste twee jaar goed gesien wat my kwaai laat kop krap het. Daar word heeltemal te veel waarde aan cw geheg. Dan wonder mense hoekom so baie cw spelers verdwyn? Maklik want baie van hulle moes nooit daar gewees het nie.
Dalk sal streeks kompetiesies beter wees en sal baie meer kinders die geleentheid kry om gesien te word deur die groot unies. Mens kan maklik oor ‘n week agt of tien streeks kompetiesies hou en die unies kan manne stuur.
@Rugbyman: Dit is die probleem met al die provinsies, as jou kind nie in sekere skole is nie is sy kanse om iewers te kom met rugby skraal. Ek dink laerskool rugby is nog erger. As jou skool nie ‘n keurder of coach by die provinsie het nie gaan jy baie moeilik cw sien. Verlede jaar het Gene Louw almal hier in die kaap dom gespeel. Wildeklawer en Marlow kon niemand hulle stop nie. Marlow het hulle in die finaal vir Klein Grey PE 29-0 teen rustyd al gerol en toe kom ‘n groot reen storm. Die game is toe gestop, gelukkig vir Grey. Ek dink daai spanhet die hele jaar net been game verloor. Net twee seuns van daai Gene Louw span het op Witrivier verlede jaar cw gespeel. Daai selfde span het onder 12 iets soos 6 WP spelers gehad. Raai op water ouderdom group het Gene Louw ‘n keurder/ coach gehad?
Ek wens net SARU en die unies wil ophou mors met ons talent en begin om eerder die sport te groei en die kwaliteit te verbeter. Ek is mal oor sport en dit maak my ongelukkig as ek sien hoe stupid ons kan wees met ons talent. Ek is oortuig as ons mekaar meer help en minder baklei sal ons NZ laat lyk na ‘n klomp moegoes.
Ek weet die laerskole wil nie voorgeskryf word nie. Dit is ‘n groot probleem en om dit te verander sal nie maklik wees nie maar moet iemand dit nie doen nie? Of kan ons maar aan pik soos altyd?
Ek het jare gelede al gesien dinge in Pretoria gaan skeef loop. Die laerskole het te groot geword en die kinders kan nie meer almal gehelp word nie. As ek ‘n voorbeeld kan gee. My seun se skool was aanvangklik gebou vir ongeveer 900 kinders toe my seun daar was toe staan hulle al op 1600. Hulle het twee rugby velde, eintlik net een maar hulle het die veld verdeel en twee kleiner velde gemaak. In my seun se graad was daar altyd hier by die 110 seuns. Sy laaste jaar van rip rugby “o/8” was daar vyf spanne elk met gemiddeld 11 of 12 kinders. O/9 begin die skool rugby toe of 15 man rugby, a.g.v. die felt dat hulle nie genoeg mans onies het nie was daar net ‘n a en b span. Dit beteken dat minder as 30% van die seuns in sy skool van o/9 af kon rugby speel. Ouers het gaan vra of hulle nie kan help met coaching of wat ook al sodat nog ‘n span per ouderdom kan speel nie. Die antwoord was nee. Ek se nie dit gaan by al die skole so nie maar dink hoeveel laerskool seuns in Pretoria hou dalk op rugby speel net omdat die skole te groot geword get? En as boeta ophou rugby speel gaan klein boetie wil speel?
@BrotherBear: by ons…
@Rugbyman: Waar is die game op die 23e? Sal maar moet skud na die wedstryd – wen of verloor – hehehe
@Stier: Jy moet onthou dat soos jyself gesê het garsies nie as ‘n rugby skool gesien was tot so 3 tot 4 jaar terug nie… rede was eenvoudig, as jy nie in kloof of affies was nie sou jy geen provinsiale span gehaal het nie… dus het die kinders in ons gemeenskap na ander skole gery… ons moes en het dit verander… ons o14s hierdie jaar is 90% plaaslik en top 5 in die land… ons moes drasties optree en dit begin nou vrugte afwerk… Nou kan seuns uit ons gemeenskap garsies toe kom en baie goeie geleenthede kry om kompeterend twen die sterkste rugby skole in die land deel te neem…
Ter inligting: Stellenberg het by ons kom kers opsteek oor hoe ons die proses gedryf het…
@Stier: Moet darem ook byvoeg meeste laerskole wil geen inmenging van hoërskole hê nie…
Jammer oor jou ervaring van die bulle cravenweek afrigter… die blou bulle laerskole is so bietjie van ‘n mafia met nogal ‘n hoë dink van hulself…
@BrotherBear: Nee ek gaan ongelukkig nie kearsney toe nie… kom skud blad as ons teen julle speel 23 Julie…
@Hooit: Nou waaarom is die braai dan af? Dink daar kan lekker gesels word. Manne wat wil fight moet net vroeg waarsku sodat ons kan reel vir bouncers en hulle moet maar wapens by die huis los. As jou vrou (of man) ‘n wapen is, bring haar maar saam – daar is mos ‘n biertuin – hehehe.
@Djou, sal ook welkom wees by die kuier, MAAR dan mag hy nie na die Kaapse of Noord-Kaapse stories luister nie. Hy gaan sy cool verloor en se al die by-lasse is lieg. Hy mag wel ook stories vertel, maar dan net indien hulle nie dieselfde tema aanhoudend herhaal nie.
Sorry, dis net voorstelle, daar is geen reels by ‘n lekker kuier nie.
@Rugbyman: Gaan Kearsney jou sien volgende week? Sal graag wil bladskud en “truce” verklaar – waarskynlik einde van week daar.
@Hooit: Die probleem in ons land is, almal is bang hulle spelers word “gesteel”, in my sport is dit dieselfde, niemand wil iets doen as ‘n ander ou ook daarby gaan of kan baat vind nie so nou doen niemand niks. En omdat niemand iets doen nie nou moet almal “steel”? Al hierdie groot rugby skole in ons land wat praat van meer as net rugby, hulle waardes ens, ens, wat doen hulle om hulle gemeenskappe om hulle te ontwikkel? Hoeveel van hulle help die laerskole om hulle om hulle rugby te verbeter? Is dit hulle plig? Of koop en werf en nooi mens net uit as jy eers daar bo is en dit bevorder en bou dan rugby in ons land? Moenie worry nie djou en rugbyman ek praat hier van al die groot skole.
@Stier: Jy is meer as geregtig op jou opinie… soos ek gesê het ek gaan nie debateer nie…
Ek was baie lank voor jou tyd by Louis Leipoldt betrokke…
Lekker dag
@Riempies: Ek weet daar was laasjaar o18 en o16 akademie span spelers raakgesien wat geleenthede gekry het. Weet nie hoe hierdiejaar gaan werk met albei wat gelyktydig speel nie. Moet sê ek dink as jy na spelers van kleur gaan kyk is die Leeus in n goeie posisie met hulle CW span. Kes, Jeppe, Bennies ens doen baie goeie werk met speler ontwikkeling. Dink die Leeus kan goed voel oor hulle meestal eie talent ontwikkel en gebruik. Is hierdie jaar beindruk met die CW span se voorbereiding. Leeus kyk baie goed na hul seuns. As CW nie goed gaan nie kan voorbereiding nie n verskoning wees nie. Hoop die AW span is ook reg. Nou te laat om nog iets te doen. Tyd dat die manne op die veld nou wys.
Dankie rugbyman, sorry ek was nie in 2011 en 2012 hier nie. Dit is die eerste keer in hierdie hele debat dat iemand ‘n redelike verduideliking gee van wat julle doen. En onthou djou het sy speelgoed gegooi toe ek ‘n foutiewelike verklaring gemaak het. My bron se skool het self geld by die Bulle gekry en die ou was selfs een jaar die BB se cw span se bestuurder.
Eerstens ek rig nie rugby af nie. So ek dink nie jy sal my ken nie. Ek het eers in 2009 by LL begin. Dit was net ‘n paar jaar voor Mr. Fourie wat ek dink ook die eerste span rugby afgerig het Bakenkop toe is om daar oor te neem as hoof. Terloops nog ‘n goeie onnie daai, hy het Bakenkop letterlik binne maande heeltemal verander.
Ek is in sport betrokke in suid afrika so ja ek is al baie te na gekom. Maar nie deur enige skool nie, die skole en hulle ouers, insluitend Laerskool Garsfontein was nog altyd net akkomoderend as mens eers daar in is. Om in te kom is nie maklik nie maar dit verstaan mens ouens wil allerande nonsense aan hulle afsmeer.
As ek reg onthou het ek net in my laste par post verwys na oneerlikheid van “julle” kant af maar dit sou eintlik net djou wees. Sy stories en jou storie het baie gewissel by tye so daarom die stelling. Ek dink nie ek het gese alle garsies lieg nie en as ek het was dit nie my bedoeling nie. Ek het verwys na dinge wat gese is gedurende hierdie debat op hierdie forum. Ek kom wel agter dat julle baie gevoelig is oor die saak. En julle reaksies is ongelukkig die ding wat my laat wonder. Miskien is dit ‘n Gauteng ding van ons, gister toe ek vir een van die BB afrigters wat buy te way in die biertuin staan kort nadat hulle verloor het vra of daar enige Hennops kinders in hulle span is toe raak die man ongeskik, my seun vra vir my toe ons daar wegstap, pa hoekom is daai oom so onbeskof? Ek weet Gauteng is rof maar julle moet relax ek was ook so maar nou chill ek hier in die kaap, lekker man, lekker. Julle se julle worry nie en julle hoef nie te verduidelik nie maar dan gooi julle?
Wat julle gedoen het na 100+ is awesome en almal veral Mmvovo se skool moet daai houding he. ‘n Houding van ons gaan iets doen en dinge verander om ons standaard te lig. En daar is nou my punt, maak nie saak hoe eerbaar julle bedoelings is nie, is dit die regte manier om dit te doen of is Garsies se sukses die belangrikste? Rugby ontwikkeling moet op laerskool vlak gedryf word en groot rugby skole moet in hulle plaaslike gemeenskape help om die laerskole sterker te kry. Garsies sal nooit ‘n sterk rugby tradisie binne sy gemeesnkap hou as die meeste van sy rugby krag nie van sy die gemeenskap kom nie. Stellenberg is besig om hier in die kaap lekker te groei en hulle gaan jaag nie laaitjies van gauteng nie. Ek weet van WP laaitjies wat HJS toe sou gaan wat nou stellies toe gaan. Het julle nie talent in PTA nie? Sorry dit maak nie sin nie. Miskien dink julle bruin spelers sal makliker daarbo BB kry? Dit sal ook baie goedkoper wees om kinders in PTA te help. Daar was baie nie blanke spelers by Uitsig. Of is die taal ding die probleem? Hier kan julle nie blanke spelers kry en hulle praat Afrikaans? Laaste ding hoeveel ouens op hierdie blog sal hulle kinders 1500 km stuur na ‘n skool waar hy self nie skool gegaan het nie? Dink mooi sal jy of djou dit doen?
Lekker dag gaan nou reg maak vir vannaand se braai.
@BrotherBear: Ek stem saam met wat jy hierbo gese het oor krag teen krag op CW. Ek dink groot unies het soveel talentvolle spelers dat dit soms slegs gaan oor watter skool jy in is of jy CW of AW span is. Voor ek gekruisig word se ek soms! Ek dink so byvoorbeeld as jy die Lions CW en AW spanne teen mekaar moet speel gaan jy moeilik n wenner voor die tyd kies. In WP miskien dieselfde geval. Dit sal interesant wees om die resultate van twee spanne van selfde unie met mekaar te vergelyk. Ek hoop dat SA Skole keurders na albei spanne CW en AW se spelers kyk en nie net by CW spanne vasgenaal sit nie.
Kom ons kyk maar.
@Hooit: Did see your predictions for CW. What about AW? Man ons braai! Die wat met mekaar wil kerm kan dit dan ma op ander plek gaan doen.
@Rugbyman: Dit is juis die probleem wat ek het. Daai braai gaan nooit gebeur nie so ons mis nou al die braaivleis praatjies?
@Vra maar net: Jong ja… ons het geen verbintennis met agent greeff nie… die manne waarna jy verwys is op n ander plek geidentifiseer… maar kom ons laat dit dan daar soos jy sê
@Rugbyman Sorry dat ek weer antwoord. Weer verkeerd. Ons twee manne wat vir julle en Blou Bulle speel is eerste keer gewerf op Gim se onder 16 toernooi deur agent Greeff. Hulle is deur hom en julle onder 16 afrigters geidentifiseer en genader. Toevallig is 5 spelers genader en net 2 het gebyt. Ek het geen probleem daarmee nie – vertel net die regte storie. Kom ons laat dit daar want ek kan nog baie riller stories oor werwing gesels
@Vra maar net: Ai… ek was al van die begin af eerlik… ons het dit nog nooit weggesteek nie… dis hoekom ek al male sonder tal gesê het die gesprek en debat is al gevoer al in 2011 en 2012…
Net een punt van orde. Ons werf nie by die rugbyweke waarna jy verwys nie en gebruik geen agente nie. Ons sal ook nooit n kind aanvaar uit die top rugbyskole nie… ek is nie seker van watter skool jy is nie.maar ek vermoed jys van tygerberg? Die meeste van ons seuns kom van die bolandse platteland en meeste van hulle is al van graad 8 af by ons… Atlantis, Mamre ensovoorts is plekke waar baie van hulle vandaan kom – daar waar niemand hulle ooit sou raaksien nie…
Nou het ek hopelik klaar verduidelik vir al die nuwer bloggers…
Net een laaste puntjie… ons het 15 seuns van die kaap in ons koshuis, nie soos die braaivleis praatjies ‘n koshuis vol nie…
@Rugbyman. Nou het ek respek vir jou gekry. Eerste keer in jare dat jy dit reguit sê. Djou moet net regkom. Daar was nooit vir my ‘n probleem dat julle ons kinders “‘n beter geleentheid gee nie”, maar hoe jy dit in die verlede gestel het was verkeerd. Vir julle om kinders by HJS se onder 15 toernooi en Gim se onder 16 toernooi te soek en die aggresiewe agente kontak het ek nie ‘n probleem nie. Net soos van ons ander kinders deur Gim en HJS jaarliks opgeraap word ontken hulle ook die ware toedrag van sake. Ek hoop hulle speel eerlik soos jy. Dit is al. Nou hoekom gaan ons kinders dan weg – ons het nie die geld om hulle te hou nie – uit en gedaan. Sterkte Rugbyman
@Stier: Louis Leipoldt….? Dan moet ek jou ken… ek het n hele paar jaar daar die 1ste span afgerig in die 90s… Sal baie graag wil weet wie jy is… Louis Leipoldt het in my dae 750 kinders gehad maar ons rugby was baie sterk… Die skool is na aan my hart…
Dit wil my voorkom asof jy iewers te nagekom is deur iemand, dalk garsies… Ek moet eerlik wees ek het nie rerig die lus om weer die hele debat te voor oor ons kaapse projek en al die redes daarvoor nie. Ek sê dit met die grootste respek. So paar sakies waarvan jy egter moet kennis neem:
Eerstens ken jy my nie, ook nie die mense wat garsies se rugby dryf nie en ek dink dis ongevraagd om heeltyd te verwys na ons oneerlikheid. Ek dink nie jy het enige reg om ons integriteit in twyfel te trek nie.
Wat ek wel vir jou wil sê is dat nie een skool in pretoria behalwe affies (wat nie teen ons wil rugby speel) en pta boys high kan vir ons wedstryde vir al ons spanne gee nie. Ons rugby het geweldig gegroei oor die laaste 5 jaar. Ons ontwikkel ons talent! Dalk was jy nog in pretoria toe die “ou” garsfontein bestaan het, maar die skool het heeltemal verander.
Nadat garsies met 103 – 0 teen waterkloof verloor het in 2010 het ons besluit dit sal nooit weer gebeur nie en ons het dan ook besluit om vuur met vuur te begin veg en ook te doen wat die ander top skole doen. Ons moes iewers begin en die kaap het so oormaat talent gehad dat daar heelwat talentvolle seuns daar vir rugby verlore gegaan het. Ons het toe in 2011 daar gewerf en vir seuns uit die kaap, uit klein skooltjies met swak toestande geleenthede gebied. Van daai seuns speel vandag super rugby en curriecup danksy garsfontein. In die kaap het hulle geen provinsiale span gehaal nie…
Die hele projek was begin vir rugby en het weldoeners van buite die skool wat dit borg. Elke liewe seun wat deur ons n geleentheid gekry het is baie dankbaar en tevrede. As jy sien en weet waar van die kinders vandaan kom sal jy dan ook verstaan dat garsies vir hulle n reddingsboei was vir akademie en sport asook om deure na skool oop te maak. Dit was ons projek. Skiet ons daarvoor as jy wil. Kritiseer dit soos jy goeddink. Dit bly ons projek en ons manier om kinders geleenthede te gee. Ons hoef aan niemand te verantwoord nie en aan niemand te verduidelik nie. Soos ek reeds genoem het is daar baie ander seuns wat ook in ons koshuis is en al rede hoekom ons kaapse seuns so baie mense pla is oor hulle velkleur. Dit pla ons glad nie. Dis ‘n kind en ‘n leerder van hoërskool garsfontein.
Een laaste opmerking: Omdat garsfontein onder die seuns wat by ons was n goeie reputasie opgebou het, hoor ander seuns daarvan in die kaap. Daarom kry ons gereeld aansoeke daarvan af dat kinders na ons toe wil kom. Ek glo jy kan dit verstaan.
Ek hoop rerig dit het jou vrae geantwoord. Ek dink dat die hele saak irriteer nou al die ander bloggers… Dis al verskeie kere deurgetrap…
@Grasshopper: Best of luck in the UK Hopper. I think the UK can be a wonderful place to stay, especially with a UK passport. Peace and happiness to you and your young family.
@Bere007: Julle raak te kwaad, as kinders garsies toe wil gaan het ek geen probleem daarmee nie en garsies is nog relatief jonk en julle het al baie bereik. Ek stry nie daaroor of probeer dit ontken nie. Julle moet egter perspektief behou ten opsigte van wat julle al bereik het. Daar is klaar nou erken dat julle hier in die kaap werf ,wat beteken nie al die seuns wat gauteng toe gaan het julle as ‘n opsie never mind eerste opsie oorweeg nie. Ek wonder maar net hoekom kinders van so ver werf, as daar talent baie nader aan julle is? Soos jy se julle hoef my nie te antwoord nie maar as julle antwoord wees eerlik en se hoekom die manne hier onder so gesoek word.
Jy is reg ek het kaap toe getrek, en julle hoof ook maar nie ek, en ek glo hy ook, het ons gesinne daar gelos nie. Ek weet nie van hom nie maar my vrou is te mooi om haar daar te los, my kinders dalk ,veral soos die outste deesdae eet.
Ek het by baie laerskole in Pretoria afgerig, Garsfontein, Hennopspark, Wierdapark, Rooihuiskraal, Uitsig, Louis Leipoldt ens. Al daai skole behalwe vir Uitsig het oor ‘n duisend kinders gehaad, ek dink Hennops met graad r staan al hier naby 1700 kinders. Verder in 2010 het al die Laerskole in Centurion saam, net onder die 18000 kinders gehaad. Kom ons se die helfte is seuns hoeveel rugby spanne kan hulle volmaak? Dan praat ons nie eers van Stefanis Roos, Wonderboom, Elarduspark, Constantiapark ens ens…Ja ek weet van die skole soos Fleur, Doornkloof en ander het verander en rugby is dalk nie meer die groot sport nie maar steeds daar is baie groot laerskole waar rugby nog groot is. Kyk na Uitsig ek kan nou nie hulle rugby coach se naam onthou nie maar daai man het baie gedoen om nie blanke o/13 BB spelers op te lewer. Wat word gedoen om daai talent te ontwikkel? Maar dit begin by baie plekke so raak.
Wat my pla is dat ek dink skole jaag baie keer talent en besef nie altyd wat dit beteken nie. Hulle mis ook partykeer die kinders reg by hulle. In ons land voel dit vir my of almal talent soek maar niemand wil dit ontwikkel nie. En ek wys nou na ons almal. Dit is so stupid, talent beteken niks, al wat dit is is ‘n voorsprong as jy begin dit is al.
My seun maak hierdie jaar klaar met laerskool en glo my al sy tjommas hier en in Pretoria praat net oor volgende jaar en waar hulle skool toe gaan. Van al die skole waar sy tjommas heen gaan het nog net Affies nie vir een van hulle ‘n “helpende hand” of wat ook al aangebied nie.
Ouens hier kan se ek lieg maar dit is hulle probleem. Hier is manne op hierdie blog wat of lieg of baie minder weet as wat hulle voorgee. En vir die wat kwaad is, sorry ek is maar net bekomerd oor hoe ons in hierdie land met ons rugby spelers/kinders werk.
@Djou: Ek lees nou die ding. Dit pla my want elke maand moet ek raap en skraap. Ek stem saam met @Riempies. Die mense het seker aansoek gedoen om ondersteuning en dis toegestaan.
@stier…klink vir my jy het self 1500km getrek nou kla jy oor skool kinders wat trek en van skole wissel….dit is dood normaal en gebeur al vir dekades lank….. Doen jouself n guns en gaan kyk hoeveel Garsies in die Super Rugby,SA o/20 ,Blou Bul o/19,o/16 spanne opgeneem is ….. Of jy dit nou wil glo of nie die seuns wil regtig Garsies toe kom…..Curro het selfs ons vorige hoof ook 1500km ver laat trek Kaap toe om hulle skool daar in die Kaap te bestuur as jy dit nie geweet het nie… Gun ons asb ook n plekkie in die son….geniet HJS en Affies en los ons skool uit ons hoef niks aan jou te verduidelik nie …
@Djou: Soos Quagga vir jou mooi verduidelik het doen sommige ouers aansoek vir finasieele ondersteuning. Dit is dan hoe hulle ondesteuning kry. Jy kan blykbaar ook nie lees nie. Of dan verstaan nie. As jou vriend se kind n beurs het is hy dalk die persoon wat vir jou lieg. Smaak my almal lieg vir jou. Of as hy dan so n goeie vriend is hoekom vra jy hom dan nie self nie?
Ek het vandag bietjie die o/13 cravenweek gaan kyk. Ek moet se die kwaliteit en vaardighede was maar swak. More speel WP en KZN in die “finaal” as ek dit reg het. WP en die BB het vandag hulle bes probeer om te verloor maar die BB het dit beter reg gekry as die WP. Ter versagting albei spanne lyk my sit met baie beserings. WP se 10, 12 en 13 is na die eerste twee dae al uit, so dalk het KZN ‘n kans? Die BB se 8 het vleuel gespeel maar ek moet se daai knaap het wiele. Die BB kan hulle self egter skop, as daai seuns net wou pass was hulle dalk more in die finaal. Ek het lanklaas ‘n span gesien wat so baie overlaps kry en dan pass hulle nie. WP 11 – 10 BB. KZN 15 – 14 Valke.
Sorry manne, dit lyk my almal is nou kwaad en nou is Hooit se braai ook in sy m##r. Ons kan se wat ons wil maar die top skole soek/trek die top kinders. As daar goeie kinders is wat hulle wil he sal hulle ‘n plan maak. Om te dink hulle doen dit nie is belaglik. Ek het al in Pretoria vir ‘n stoei seun wie se ouers Vrystaat toe getrek het ‘n beurs gekry by ‘n gewone skool wat geen rede het om vir enige kind ‘n beurs te gee nie. Ek twyfel ook baie sterk of hulle enige beurse gee. Maar met mooi praat sal mense help.
Wat my egter pla is dat seuns 1500 km van hulle ouers moet skool gaan. As die kind self nog altyd dit wou doen is dit seker anders. Mens wonder tog as die skool so gesog is hoekom kinders van die kaap vat as daar net so baie kinders daar bo is wat na die skole wil gaan. Ek weet ek krap dalk waar ek nie moet nie maar ek sou graag wou weet hoeveel kinders van die kaap wat daar in stap nie blank is. Dalk kan julle vir ons die syfers gee? Want soos vroeer genoem was Laerskool Florida se kaapsekorps almal nie blank.
I think through all the comments it us clear that the braai is not going to happen?. Predictions for day 1 CW. 1. Griquas to beat Namibia. 2. Pumas to beat Griffons but it will be tight. 3.WP to beat Boland. 4. EP to take the win against the Sharks.
@Djou: en dan seg jy ek lees nie?
@BoishaaiPa: sorry man verkeerde bewoording. Kinders word genooi om aansoek te doen en as hulle aanvaar word hoef hulle nie koshuis en /of skool gelde te betaal nie. Ek weet van vier seuns wat so “gehelp” word. Drie is in die koshuis ook.
@Quagga: Thanks for the explanation. Now please explain why my friend of the past 16 years’ son has a bursary. And he can afford school fees.
@Stier: Jy is of blind of lui of lees nie. Selfs Boishaaipa moes jou reghelp in jou alwetenheid. En watter skool ondersteun jy?
@BrotherBear: Jammer jy is die laaste een wat oor norme en standaarde kan praat. Hou net op kerm en lieg en probeer meer nederigheid toon. Die lewe sal makliker word.
@Rugger fan: have a look at the Kearsney school site. They have info on next week.
Seems 2 fields to be used for matches and another set for warm-up.
They also needed to create space for the beer-tent – as a matter of course.
@Rugger fan: I think there may be more than two fields being used. There is no parking on the school property due to the fields being used and the 40 busses that need to be parked.
@BrotherBear:
Yep – i’ll be there.
Greenblooded and Gungets may also be along.
To the Kearnsey guys – how are CW & AW being done on the same times? Are 2 fields being used or only Stott?
Teams representing different Provinces at U/18 Craven week/Academy week.
It seems as if some provinces are deemed more important than others, or deemed to potentially have more talent than others.
When looking at the teams playing at Kearsney next week the following observations stick out:
Three provinces have FOUR teams (each a CW, XV and two Country District)
1. Griquas
2. EP
3. Border
Four provinces have THREE teams (each a CW, XV and CD)
1. Griffons
2. Valke (CW, Red, Blue0
3. Pumas
4. Sharks
Three of the Country District teams also play in the Craven week portion
1. Griquas
2. Border
3. EP
Definitely not power against power then – but only performance will show if this is true. I think the organisers have made a very good decision to use one venue for all the games. Hopefully they then have an opportunity, next year, to match power against power.
As a first step they should include at least one more team from the WP (they can probably get two more teams), one more from the Lions, one more from the BB and one more from SWD (swap with WP?). These are the real powerhouses where deserving kids do not get an opportunity (vs. EP, Border and Griquas). They can decide if some CD teams get kicked off, or not.
They should also move the following teams to the Craven week
1. Lions XV
2. Sharks XV
3. WP XV
4. BB XV
5. SWD XV
and the following to the Academy week competition
1. Griquas CD
2. Zim
3. Namibia
4. Border CD
5. EP CD
I know the existing setup is probably used to identify potential PD talent, but they can probably put a more concerted effort into it.
@LAEVELDER: tx… sal bietjie gaan lees… ek dink beet hou vakansie of iets…
@BOG: konteks is dat elkeen van ons ‘n “my wereld” het, en dat nie almal op die blog met jou menings saamstem nie (net soos met baie ander ouens se menings).
@BrotherBear: “My wereld?” Ek sou hoop dat die wereld wat ek “beskryf”, die universele een is waarin almal lewe. Ek dink, met die “benefit of hindsight”, was ek nogal tot dusver, kommerwekkend akkuraat met my voorspellings al het van die manne moerig en geirriteerd geraak. Wat my opinie aangaan, het ek nog nooit te kenne gegee dat ek hoegenaamd namens iemand of iets, praat nie. Wat ek se, is uitsluitlik my persoonlike opinie. En wat opinie betref, is ek dankbaar vir n skoolopvoeding waar individualisme ook kon floreer en waar elkeen nie n eentonige en slaafse eenvormigheid gehad of het nie. En my ou gebruikte voorbeeld. GCB het vir Bram Fischer en Roby Leibrandt opgelewer en elke denkbare opinie tussen daardie twee uiterstes. As ek moet raai, sou ek dink ek le iewers in die middel van daardie twee here.
@Rugbyman:
Sien rugby365 berig daagliks oor die toernooie..sal great wees om hier ook daaroor te lees
@BrotherBear: Ek lees graag almal se kommentaar. Ek het persoonlik n probleem daarmee as almal wat met n skool geassosieer word onder die selfde kam geskeer word. Ek het al op n vorige geleentheid gese dat ons die skool trui van ons skool met trots dra. Juis agv van dit dink mense soms dat hul dieselfde opinie het. Dit is ma die geval van assosiasie. Boring aanvaar ek eerder as modder gooiery. Ek is seker dat as intelligente mense ons wel oor iets kan praat eerder as om mekaar die heletyd sleg te se. Dit is nie verskuidenheid nie, maar swak. @BOG het ook maar sy eie idees en dit pla my min.
@rugbyman: Eish, ou maat. Weet nie waar jy normes en waardes geleer het nie. Ek glo nie van jou stellings reflekteer Garsfontein nie.
Die instellings waaraans ons gekoppel is (op watter manier ook al), is baie groter as die individu. Hoe kan een persoon se kommentaar ‘n instelling se naam in onguns bring? Veral nie as daardie persoon nie namens die instelling praat nie. Sometimes it just boggles the mind.
@Rugbyman: Hoop on dan volgende week baie komentaar te hoor. Lees die Lions het n groot terugkom poging aangewend in 2de helfde teen Bulls GK maar toe verloor. Was blykbaar baie mooi rugby.
@Riempies: Ok, hoor wat jy se.
Probleem om net oor sekere “topics” te gesels, is dat dit maar bra boring gaan wees as ons net gaan hoor van hoe goed Pietie en Jannie speel soos berig word deur al die pappas se vriende en agente. Punt van blog is om so bietjie verskeidenheid te he en oor ALLE aspekte van rugby te kan gesels. @Stier is nuwe man en het heel legitieme vrae gevra. Indien mens fyn lees sal jy sien dat bietjie meer inligting elke keer uitkom of uit ‘n ander perspektief gestel word. En dit is nie noodwendig sleg vir die ouens wat nie wil deel nie.
“Point to ponder”: dink jy werklik dat Grey Kollege se naam deur die modder gesleep word omdat @BOG ‘n unieke manier het om sy wereld te beskryf?
@Riempies: maar ek hou van die laaste sê!!!
Niemand praat eers oor die grant khomo of laerskole cravenweek nie… nog minder oor die noordvaal week… wat gaan aan manne??
@BrotherBear: Boetie ek hoor wat jy se. Het dit ook gelees op n vorige keer. My komentaar is gerig aan almal wat wil luister. Ek en ek se ek glo dat die tipe gesprekke geen waarde tot die blog toevoeg nie meer eerder n modder gooiery veroorsaak. Om mekaar aantevat is goed solank dit opbouend is. Dit wat hier plaasvind sit buide Helpies en Garsies in n slegte lig by mede blog lesers. Dit gaan min oor rugby en eerder oor wie die laaste se kan he. Kom ons stop liewer hierdie gespreke en gaan terug na wat hierdie blog voor bedoel is. Rugby.
Ek sien baie uit na volgende week en sal liewer kommentaar oor Craven en Akademieweek rugby wil lees. Daarmee volstaan ek die gesprek.
@BrotherBear: jou optrede na julle ons geklop het verwys… jy is die rede! Jy het helpies se naam in onguns gebring! Nou wil jy hoogheilig speel… ongelooflik
Cheers ou beer
@Riempies: Mens moet net onderskeid kan tref tussen openlike kritiek en regmatige vrae vra. Ek herhaal ook paar keer dat Garsfontein goeie werk doen, so diskrediteer nie die skool. Wil ook nie net aanvaar jy praat oor my kommentaar, maar weet nie heeltemal aan wie almal jou komentaar gerig is hier bo (sien dis spesifiek aan @Quagga gerig) i.v.m. skole kritiek. Baie keer is die powere manier van antwoord eerder die slegte refleksie. Ook niks verkeerd om mekaar bietjie aan te vat nie – hou dit net bo die waistline.
Moes ongelukkig ook vir @Rugbyman laat onthou dat hy nie so “holier than thou” is as wat hy voorgee nie (gesprekke oor Helpmekaar tussen hom en Waterkloof kerel op blog vroeer in seisoen). Kan nie onthou dat sulke gesprekke al tussen ons oor ander skole gehou is nie – of hoe?
@BrotherBear: ek sal dan maar weer stilbly… soos ek duidelik in my post gesê het, het ons befondsing niks met jou te doen nie…
@Riempies: stem met jou saam… dis egter julle mede helpie wat die strooi begin… sal hom maar liefs in die vervolg ignoreer… hy maak my opgewonde
@Quagga: Dankie man. Jy het my so pas n helse klomp tyd gespaar
. Het self twee keer die padjie gevolg. Ek hoop regtig dit is nou die einde van die tipe gesprekke! Hy het gese ek het gese bring niemand iets in die sak nie. @Djou ek hoop jou vraag is nou geantwoord. @Quagga nie n persoon wat leens vesprei nie so da het jy dit nou. Indien dit nie voldoende is nie is jy meer as welkom om n brief aan direksie te skryf vir verdere anrwoorde. Ek soos miskien baie op die blog nou moeg vir die tipe gesprekke. Kom ons praat eerder oor rugby en hou op om skole te kritiseer. Dink dit is in swak smaak. 
@Rugbyman: Weereens dankie vir jou kommentaar, alhoewel jy nie my vraag volledig beantwoord nie. Weet regtig nie hoekom jy so opgewonde raak nie (“amper se ek nou iets leliks”). Se dit net soos dit is, ou maat. As jy nie inligting wil openbaar maak, se dan net so. Leef dan ook maar net met die feit dat mense nie gaan ophou vrae vra nie, a.g.v. die uitsonderlike omstandighede (anders as ander skole in die omgewing wat nie op hierdie vlak uit die Kaap uit werf). Onthou net dat julle standaarde en wat julle vir die kinders doen nie deur my bevraagteken word nie. Net die werklike motiewe en befondsing.
Bly om te sien jy het nou weer ‘n warm gevoel jeens die mede-helpies. Die houding het nie baie sterk deurgekom toe jy en jou Waterkloof maters so bietjie “gevleg” en julle Helpmekaar “ge-badmouth” het nie.
@Quagga: ek kan nie so baie lees nie…
Sorry for the essay guys…..got carries away there. 8)
@BrotherBear: @Djou: Funding is always a critical issue in a private school. As I will have 5 kids in Helpies from next year and have personally been through the very tough admissions process for the fifth time this year I think I can give my 2 cents worth. Helpmekaar is not a rugby school and rugby certainly is in my perception way down the pecking order as is evident from any Laudatio evening. They have people that are passionate about the sport (like us
) and talented like any other school and word-of-mouth is probably their main tactic to create awareness among potential learners. They also invite parents of talented kids to come and have a look around. During the first interview for my eldest son (who played for the GL at the time), the only comment about rugby was that they enjoy competing but losing is as important as winning. The focus has certainly been on receiving a superb level of academic instruction followed perhaps by athletics and certainly a huge amount of cultural/arts/entrepreneurial activities in my opinion. Every year the number of applications to enroll into the school exceed the available seats exponentially so the few months of the interviewing and selection process could end up being quite stressful to the parents and prospective Welpies alike. As far as funding is concerned I can tell you there may be a few learners with special circumstances that may apply through the school structures every year to receive financial support for the following year but there are no sports bursaries that I have heard of. My son moved from a sports scholarship in another private school where he was in the boarding house to Helpies for personal reasons where we had to pay our way. Simple as that. The same is the case with my other four and the same will apply for the youngster who will go through that same process this time next year and that GL jumper he wore in Vryheid at the u12 week may assist to get him into the school as much as a top 10 academic performer or the head boy of a primary school or a girl who has an equestrian background or a music talent but won’t result in any of them enjoying free schooling. It just does not and cannot work that way in a private school that seeks to maintain exceptional standards.
As far as Garsies and perhaps Florida funding models are concerned I say who cares where the money comes from, as long as whatever the situation, it is always in the interest of the developing child. Being a thousand kms from home must be extremely difficult for a kid but I don’t think for one second that these schools do not put the interests of the child first and have a suitable support program in place and in some cases that might be THE opportunity that has such a profound influence on that boy’s future that makes all the difference to that person. I know some kids that are in that situation personally and I know at least some of them will never look back. To me the more critical issue is after school, after the good work that Saints or Jeppe or Garsies or Florida or KES have done, what happens to that young person to realise his potential and not get lost in a system that has widely been shown up as generally weak and uncaring when it comes to players.
@BrotherBear: Amper sê ek iets lelik…
Die bulle en saru betaal vir geen kind by garsfontein nie… ons interne sake is ons saak… ek neem aan Helpies het ook beurse? Dis wat ek hoor by my pelle daar… ek meng my nie in by julle geldsake nie want dit het niks met my te doen nie… los ons sin dan ook maar vir ons…
Terloops… ek hoor ook die ouens by helpies wil graag weet wie jy is… help hulle asb tog uit
Lekker dag
@Hooit: I know the Academy team playing Monday and Craven team on Tuesday. Hopefully they have enough “boerekos” and coffee available. Some people thinking of bringing their gazebos and gas braais along as well.
You ask the question (in jest) if it is safe to braai together. I think the parents from different schools sometimes get along better than with parents of their own schools. hehehehe
We have (had) one such extremely irritating parent that has caused all sorts of havoc at school (really not a pleasant person). Through formal and informal processes he has been made to understand that his behaviour is unacceptable and that if the behaviour continuous he is not welcome in the community. Luckily he has decided to remove his child from Helpmekaar and move to a public school closer to Randburg.
@Grasshopper: Their (Oz) requirements vary and often they are in greater need of chefs and hairdressers than medicine men and CAs. In fact, right now, CAs and engineers are struggling to find jobs, while carpenters and plumbers are in demand.So, keep your ear to the ground and dont go on a temporary visa, the 457 I think?. Risk to high- rather wait for the 189 (PR). Otherwise what about NZ? Your sister is there and after you have acquired NZ nationality (4/5 yrs), you can move freely between Oz and NZ. Anyway the purpose of that article, tells you that gloom drives emigration, rather than gap years, pleasure, unhappiness with clubs,or any other fabricated explanation for the flight. And of course, rugby players would be included.
@BoishaaiPa: you quite correct as an old boy even it was quite a stressful year receiving admissions to Boishaai for my son. I would say boys applying that are more skilled rugby players have a better opportunity and more realistic chance. I had to wait until following year for space in hostel. It’s extremely competitive even to just into the school. The competition doesn’t stop there…The bois push each other non stop. Some seek excellence in other sports and fields of interest once they have settled in. If people take a look at all round achievements it’s more than just rugby. Yes the rugby has a huge drive but all are busy not just rugby players. I think Boishaai are in a good position that they can select from the pick of the crop who jostling for position in a top school. I recall whole grade 7 year boys discussing places they applied to and would like to go to if accepted. Last 7 years or so and history of the school being huge draw card.
@Djou: REALLY? You proclaim from the rooftops that certain people are liars and then you ask them questions. What does that mean? My advice is to think hard and deep before you make any further statements on the blog or, in public for that matter. You know what happened to the boy who carried on “Crying Wolf”? Your continued attempts to discredit is rather lame, without imagination and reflects your persona in a very bad light (which it probably isn’t). If you want to play in the Lion’s den, you better have something more than a candlestick (or fake bull horns). hehehe
I will answer your question though: I don’t know for a fact where the money would come from, but I assume there may be elements of cross-subsidisation from school fees, income from various school managed events and funding from alma mater. I do know that some existing parents have assisted some scholars in the hostel out of their own pocket where emergency medical events have occurred.
@Rugbyman: Thanks that you at least make an effort to reply. Apologies for trying to steal some of your valuable time. If it is a huge effort to state it clearly, then please refer to the statements in previous blog entries where the FACTS were stated. It is all the new guys are asking for. @Stier probably has a right just like everyone else, to ask questions and be answered. Your answers above are all very general and vague. They do contradict themselves in that you acknowledge active recruitment but then fail to state who pays for deserving but financially dependent scholars. I do not detect any untruths, but your statement do not tell the WHOLE story. You do say it is NOT the school or the BB union. So I will ask a specific question: What influence or contribution or support or affiliation does SARU or any rugby union or affiliated rugby body have w.r.t. any pupil from “out of town” at Garsfontein?
@Grasshopper: oh – and go THERESA MAY! Put that backstabbing Gove back in his box where he belongs!
@Grasshopper: yes – I can imagine the trouble and strife is not too happy with been uprooted time and again! Your kids are still young so good time to go. I still have many friends in the UK and in my line of business go there often. Business hates nothing more than uncertainty and unfortunately, for the City of London in particular, uncertainty will be around for quite a while and that means job freezes, planned project cuts, no spending etc until they decide where they are at. That’s why I asked if you are transferring with the same company that you came to SA with? I love the UK – lived and worked there for 8 years and travelled extensively across Europe but my view is that the UK, and Europe and particular are facing a very uncertain immediate future – but then again, so is the whole bloody world!
Good luck
@BOG: I tried Aus too but their skills shortage list is mostly blue collar jobs or professional jobs like medicine, CA’s etc. I’m in a very niche digital media sector which isn’t really IT and more advertising/marketing. I could get in but would need to be patient. I have a UK passport so just easier to walk into the UK. Just today we had two break-ins in our ‘secure’ estate….it’s getting too close…
@Roger: hahaha, yep hop hop hop, I love change. Nah, just had family issues that have made us move so often. My wife hates me for it but as a stay at home mom hasn’t got much choice. We decided 4 years ago to give SA a chance and came back to see for ourselves. It’s been a great 4 years but there are just too many issues facing the country to deal with. We all know what they are. Brexit and whatever happens will be a little blip compared to what faces SA. I just cannot keep my head in the sand any longer so off we go. SA will always be my country and I love it, but my kids will be full blown pommies. Anyway, I hope to keep up with Schools rugga here as I did before.
@Stier: Net n klein regstellingtjie na aanleiding van al jou kommentaar hierbo. HJS “teken” niemand nie….goeie kandidate word identifiseer en word genooi om aansoek te doen vir toelating. Die skoolhoof en sy bestuur het die finale keuse oor wie aanvaar word en wie nie. Vanselfsprekend dat iemand wat genooi word dalk n beter kans staan om toelating te kry, maar dis nie altyd die geval nie. Die skool kan net soveel Gr 8’s akkomodeer en kry omtrent 10 keer meer aansoeke..hulle het redelike wye keuses om van te kies en balans is belangrik tussen sport, akademie en kultuur. Jou tjom se seun is dus een van baie min wat gelukkig genoeg was om aanvaar te word.
@odie15: The sun always shines over some part of the British Empire, they say- or said. Not quite these days anymore, but no, I just have a very unusual routine, necessary if I do wish to speak to someone where the sun does shine. Or clean a babys dirty nappy. Sleep tight-off to bed again.
@BOG: up early morning what work you doing?
@Grasshopper: This article is specific. Not unhappiness at the club, or looking for greener grass, but what is happening to the grass in SA. It says GLOOM is the main cause. http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/gloom-driving-emigration-1881255
Iets anders, as ‘n kind by craven week beseer word en hospitaal toe moet gaan, wie moet pa staan vir die kostes? Het die unie enige verantwoordelikheid of is dit die kind se probleem?
Sorry daar seg jy ook nou julle werf? Hoe dan nou jy laat dit nog die hele tyd klink of kinders self daar opdaag?
@Djou: Nee man wat se leuens versprei ek?
Selfs rugbyman se julle werf hier in die kaap. Lieg hy ook? Jy en rugbyman teken twee verskillinde prentjies van dieselfde skool.
Weereens ek het nie ‘n probleem met kinders werf en geleenthede gee nie. Maar asseblief moeinie voorgee julle reputasie as ‘n rugby skool laat die kinders van oor die hele land tou staan sonder ‘n vet wortel nie. Baie min skole in ons land kan kinders trek sonder dat ‘n ouer in die skool was of dat die skool die naaste bestse opsie is nie. Selfs die top skole in ons land sal sukkel om voor te bly as hulle nie talent werf nie. Party skole moet geld gee ander het so ‘n naam dat hulle net ‘n uitnodiging gee, maar almal werf en die meeste moet betaal. Glo my selfs Grey sal “help” as hulle dink dit is die moeite werd.
Wie weet eendag hoef garsies ook net ‘n uitnodiging te stuur maar daai dag is nog nie nou al nie.
Ek hou van Affies en HJS.
@BrotherBear: You must be a bad reader. Garsies was the one school to openly acknowledge that they recruit while others said they don’t. We also explained the funding model like 100 times. Now please explain Helpies’ funding model. Who pays for your recruits?
@BrotherBear: So say the greatest liar of them all Brotherbear! I’ll rather keep my mouth shout if I were you because it was proven that nobody should believe anything you say!
Read properly all the questions answered. Unfortunately, they don’t answer my questions. Wonder why?
@Hooit: Sal lekker braai met Helpies – net sonder die Beer! Hy wil net baklei en lieg en superiority wys! Weet min van nederigheid!
@Stier: Stier, identifiseer jouself bietjie – watter skool ondersteun jy en wees meer spesifiek want jy maak baie random aannames. Monie worry, ons sal nie so sarkasties soos jy wees en aspris leuens versprei nie.
@Stier: Ek het nooit gesê ons werf nie… ons koshuis is egter nie net vol kaapse kinders nie… dis nie waar nie… miskien moet jy wp en boland skole vra hoe van die talentvollr seuns deur hulle net glip…? Ek vermoed van die seuns soek geleenthede…. truth it is…
Waglys die het ons ook… nie net van die kaap nie, dwarsoor die land…
@Rugbyman: Sorry dat ek nou on nuus weer laat herleef. Ek aanvaar dat 90% van alle kinders gelukkig is in die skool wat hulle gekies het. En dit geld ook vir julle skool. Niemand wonder oor die kinders se geluk nie. Dit is egter wel ‘n vraag of Garsfontein so ‘n ongelooflik naam op gebou het, veral onder briun mense in die kaap dat hulle nou al op waglyste gesit word by Garsies.
Ek het nie ‘n probleem met enige ou wat enige skool toe gaan nie. Maar baie van die mense verstaan nie wat dit alles beteken nie en omdat hulle glo dit is ‘n geleentheid vir hulle kinders doen hulle dit en sal hulle nie kla nie. Ek het al met ‘n paar kinders gewerk wat uit arm gebiede kom en dan sulke geleenthede kry. Dit is moeilik vir hulle ouers om nee te se, en hulle het gewoonlik nie die vrymoedigheid of kennis om by plaaslike skole te gaan aansoek doen vir hulp nie. Hulle vat die eerste beste aanbod sonder om vir iets beter te wag of te vra.
Enige redelike goeie skool met ‘n koshuis sal ‘n waglys he, maar genoeg om die hele skool vol kaapse kinders te maak soos party mense hier se?
Soos jy se kom ons los dit dan daar. Ek verstaan nou, ouers hier van die kaap se townships bel vir garsies op aandrang van hulle kinders sonder om eers hier te probeer en dan stuur hulle hulle kinders gauteng toe. Julle werf nie hier onder die mense nie. Sonder enige hulp of inmenging van julle kant, kan hulle julle skool volmaak.
Ek speel net,maar jy moet erken dit klink nie baie geloofwaardig nie. Maar dit wys net weer “truth is stranger than fiction.”
@BrotherBear: Van julle manne is redelik nuut en daarmee bedoel ek die laaste 2 jaar op die blog… ander van ons kom al van die begin af, van rugby365 se dae af… elke nou en dan pop n man soos stier uit en vra die vrae wat al vir ure, dae en weke gedebateer is op die blog en die meeste ouens hier sal daarvan getuig…
Met die grootste respek, ek gaan rerig nie weer in die “removing boys from their roots” en “duisende kilometers van hulle huise” ensovoort betrokke raak nie…
Kom ek som dit so op, en ek gaan rerig daarby volstaan… ouers en kinders maak keuses… niemand het enigsins n geweer teen enige seun in garsfontein se kop gedruk en die ouers of kind geforseer om na ons toe te kom nie… ons het kinders van mpumalanga, limpopo, noordwes ens ook in ons skool want ons het n koshuis… so ook het grey en affies en paarl gim en monnas en so kan ek aangaan ook kinders van dwarsoor die land in hulle skole… dit bly keuses! Die kinders wat by ons is, is gelukkig en dit kan jy gerus met hulle gaan toets as jy sou wou! Het ons ‘n waglys? Contrary to popular belief het ons n waglys ja en kan ons nie al die kinders akkomodeer wat by ons aansoek doen nie! Daarby volstaan ek. Lekker aand!
O ja! En geluk aan die blou bulle grant khomo span met hulle wen oor die leeus… daar is after all darem 5 garsies in daai span insluitende die kaptein… well done seuns!
@Hooit: Ja nee kyk! Gelukkig veskil alle mense. Om n vuurtjie mag ons miskien oor meer as eending saamstem. Mense moet net bietjie minder gevoellig wees. Dit is mos rugby man!!
@Riempies: Is it safe for Garsies and Helpmekaar parents to braai together?
@BrotherBear: I will be there. Leaving on Saterday already. I heard that parking could be a problem. Will have to go early to get decent spot. Just a pity most of the good games are in the latter part of day.
@McCulleys Workshop: Well then lets have a braai outside the gate
@Grasshopper: Just dont get carried away with the compliment regarding your “bravery”. The uncertainty in SA, with the certainty of a credit downgrade, is much greater than the consequences of Brexit.
@Grasshopper: jeez ol’ Hopper – true to your name you certainly have hopped around. UK – CT – Durban – JHB and now back to the UK. Brave move with all the uncertainty over there at the moment but best of luck. Is this the same company you transferred from the UK to SA with and are you going back with the same company?
@BrotherBear: I phoned the school to organize a SBR braai, only to find that we have to park outside the Kearsney property due to 40 busses etc.
@Rugger Fan: from comments raised previously, I believe the following “other” people could be attending the Kearsney youth rugby week:
@Hooit
@Quagga
@Riempies
@Greenman
@Grasshopper?
Will you be attending?
@Stier: “@McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true.”
Please attend Bog’s wife’s English classes. Or, hit the Aum Sai Baba personal relief weekend to free yourself from personal interpretations.
@BrotherBear: I agree with your sentiments.
@Djou: Why don’t you answer @Stier and @AntonT, rather than accusing people of lies again? Seems you have a bit of a mental block w.r.t. the truth and the world you live in. Once your arguments dry up you start accusing people – WHAT THE HELL? I also want to know, why children should be uprooted from their families, and travel 1000’s of kilometres to attend your school? There are many excellent schools in the country and I promise you there are schools just as good as Garsies and Helpies and, and …. in the Cape. Some kind of “carrot” is being used to get these kids into Garsies. AND it is not your name as a rugby giant (yet). Who is then paying for their studies, accommodation, etc? Club ?????? Nobody wants to take anything away from Garsies, just play open cards.
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes there may be many reasons why players leave. They will probably find the same things once they are overseas seeing that so many of these white players are going over. But to suggest that kids don’t see qoutas as a big obstical for a future in this country is not true. As soon as you make a racial bias part of a system it doesn’t mater what the reality is anymore. Those people living under that system will be judged as being part of that system. So white kids will experience racial bias at sport trails and will always see qoutas as a real or realistic obstical. To now expect their parents to justify this system is asking somebody to lei to his own child, who will do that? Unfortunitly that means that any black player that makes it will be labled as a qouta player. The question will always be how many white kids had to stand back for x y or z player to be selected through the age group levels? Is it wrong? It doesn’t mater the system labels these players.
Can I ask what is the qouta for rugby teams at the moment. And do we have one team that has achieved that qouta?
The point I make is that yes players will leave for many reasons and that can all be changed through good management better accounting better opportunities what ever but qoutas is part of a system. It is like saying bad management is now the system or non delivering on promises is now the system. That is the problem with qoutas, the rest can be changed and will always differ depending on the management at a individual institution but qoutas is part of the system something totally different. Nobody can get past it and all will be judged by it for as long as it is there. Even Hansen asked how do you motivate players to beat the best if they don’t even know they are the best in their own country?
@Playa: Agree fully with @McCulleys Workshop (and you) on the multiple reasons for players leaving. To answer your question w.r.t. the mentioned 45; I don’t really know. I believe Marcel Coetzee was done in w.r.t. his place in the Springbok team and replaced with a PD player that was not as good as him (to fulfil quotas).
My comments relate to the scurge called “Quotas”, but, once again, that is only one reason for some players leaving. I equate it to crime. Just because a few people commit crimes, does not condemn a nation. The crime is however still wrong.
My view (repeated) is that it is actually a good thing that players are leaving. Creates some space for up & coming and also weeds out some old wood. Also improves rugby in some areas of the world (USA).
Sad to hear of the death of JJ Yamwimbi from the Valke team. Seems he had concussion from a game for his school. Our sincere condolences go out to his family, friends and school, Rhodesfield. He was in the Valke GK team a few years ago.
@BOG: ok no worries…
@odie15: Thanks, but he is not my friend, but my sons friend. And he is on his way back to the UK.
@Djou: Gaan lees wat jy se in 118. Soos ek reeds gese het die kans dat kinders van die kaap garsies toe wil gaan klink net te goed. Daar gaan nie eers soveel van hulle Affies of Grey toe nie? Ek weet nie wie kry almal geld nie maar ek weet vir ‘n feit dat Centurion het gekry of hulle nog kry weet ek nie en hulle was ook nie die enigste nie. Dit maak ook nie saak wie die geld gee of nie gee nie. Die feit is baie kinders van die kaap beland in skole in Gauteng omdat daar geld betrokke is en nie omdat die kinders 1500 km van hulle ouers wil wees nie.
Niemand op hiedie blog of enige ander forum sal glo dat so baie kinders van die kaap Garsies toe wil gaan dat soos jy dit se julle die hele skool kan vul met aansoeke van die kaap.
‘n Tjom van my seun is geteken deur HJS, hy bly in die kaap. Skole in Gauteng wou hom ook he. Nou is die vraag hoekom sou ‘n skool in Gauteng ‘n kind wil he wat reeds geteken is deur HJS? Om hom ‘n better geleentheid te gee? Ek dink nie so nie. As niemand hom geteken het nie en hulle wil hom help dan verstaan mens maar dit is nie wat hulle doen nie. Maar hoe weet hierdie skole van die kinders? Dit is alles net te veel van ‘n toeval. Elke jaar dieselfde storie en dit sonder enige hulp van buite net kinders hier in die kaap wat graag in gauteng wil skool gaan? Ook interresant hoe meeste van die kinders nie blank is?
Laerskool rugby in die kaap is baie groter en beter as in gauteng glo my, my seun was by altwee betrokke. Her in die kaap speel almal rugby in die township is daar ‘n rugby veld ons speel teen nie blanke skole elke kwartaal en van hulle is goed veral die laer ouderdomme. Die ding is ek ken meeste van my seun se opponente by die naam. Hier ken die kinders van verskillende skole mekaar van kleins af. Dit is die Groot ding wat my hier in die kaap opgeval het. Miskien omdat alles kleiner is ek weet nie maar her kry mens nog daai gevoel van almal ken almal. My punt is dat ek met baie jong seuns praat en ken, en ek het nog nooit een hoor praat oor skool gaan in gauteng nie. Ja ek ken nie almal nie maar as garsies so ‘n gewilde keuse is sou mens dit al iewers gehoor het. En my seun het in drie sporte WP proewe tot by die laaste proewe gevorder. Punt is ons ken meeste van die top kinders hier onder. En soos ek se garsies het ek nog nooit gehoor nie, nie eers Affies of Grey nie.
Sorry jou stories klink net te goed om waar te wees.
@BOG: tell your friend to email me if he’s looking for interview. Need more private line though for email details.
@Grasshopper: Well, the consequences are known elswhere in Africa, and there is not a single reason why it will be different here. Anyway, all the best in finding something even better in the UK. I can imagine what is going to happen to those targets when SA hits junk in December and the ZAR goes into a free fall.@Playa: With your last comment, you at least illustrated what you meant by “semantics”. Fact is that SA is losing an estimated 52 000, highly skilled people pa. In their place, we are getting uneducated refugees in the millions.And yes,many of those who are leaving, include rugby players. Their concerns for their children are no different from any other people. Here is a different ange of the same report earlier. “TV audiences turn off the rugby. Is sports sponsorships bubble bursting?” http://www.biznews.com/rugby/2016/07/05/tv-audiences-turn-off-rugby/
@BOG: Shocking really, international experience thrown to the trash. M company now made 20 people redundant because our initial revenue targets were missed, guess why? Our targets were set in Euro and the Rand has lost so much value we just can’t hit those targets. Guess who the majority let go? The more experienced and educated white managerial staff so the company could become more BEEBEBEBEBEBBEEBEBEBEBEBEE compliant….
@McCulleys Workshop: Thank you.That is exactly what I have been trying to say.You could have saved me the multiple posts I have wasted time writing.I’m not very strong in expressing myself in the Queens English.
@Playa: From my limited experience there are multiple reasons that young players are leaving: Sponsored international study opportunities, money, life style, gap year of sorts, SA political environment, quotas and general dissolutionment with the unions. Two young up and coming players have/are leaving a particular Union as they are dissolutioned with the union, the management of the Union (who are white), the attitude of the Snr players at the Union (who are white). They are electing to ply their trade abroad. While no doubt the quota issue is an issue, it is not THE issue. Take KZN as an example, play rugby and get a world class degree at the same time, not!
@Stier: Kyk waar is jy nou! Maak ‘n stelling dat Bulle vir Garsies betaal en word reggehelp. Vra dan hoe beland kinders in die Kaap in Garsies en jy word reggehelp.
Jy hou nie van die antwoorde nie en is nou op ‘n hele ander tema van niemand weet wie Garsies is nie en bring vir Victor ens ens in – ‘n tipiese voorbeeld van kognitiewe dissonansie.
Ag ek los dit liewer!
@AntonT: Nie liggeraak nie boet – hou net nie daarvan dat ouens leuens versprei – en as dit reggestel word, dan is die ander persoon kwansuis liggeraak volgens jou. Of wil jy he mens moet maar jou mond hou en die leuens laat rondgaan?
@BOG: As your wife to translate the word Queen’s English word “some” into a language you can understand.
While at it, ask them to put the whole statement into context for you:
“It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.”
@Playa: “There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and their parents) illusions of being destined for higher honours”, you referring to those who are leaving. If I can understand my wife and childrens Queens English, Im sure I can understand yours. R.I.P !!@Stier: That sums up the feeling of many who have moved elsewhere. They would rather struggle elsewhere, even go unemployed, but their focus is on their children and they have hope, something which has evaporated in SA. Just one question that I have for both of you. Under the old dispensation, one of the most obnoxious and contentious laws, was the “Race classification Act”. How do they currently categorize a person/player if they do not physically classify them? Yes, he might ostensibly be of a particular colour, but surely, distant observation cannot possibly determine that beyond doubt. It would really be a very interesting court case.
@Stier:
P.S. KP was a bowler first and for most and NOT a batsman when he left SA. That transformation happened abroad. Who knows what would have happened had he stuck around and concentrated on the bat while he was here. But it matters not.
@Stier: You have totally misunderstood me. I will attempt to make my point clear one more time.
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Read my post on 149 in response to BrotherBear.
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My disclaimer on 150 states that my comments, and any that follow are based on the article BOG posted, and the list of names in the said article. I have asked BrotherBear, and I will ask you as well. How many of those players, from your experience with them, do you believe are leaving purely because of quotas, and how their careers have been impacted by them?
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We will disagree on the correct definition of racism. I can understand and appreciate how the white population feels. My views on the way forward are well documented, and the long and short of it is that there is a realisation that needs to come from both whites and blacks – the problem we have right now is that whites want blacks to change, and blacks want whites to change – different circumstances, and no one is taking the time out to listen to the other without their black/white blinkers on.
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That was more of a jibe on my part. Probably out of line I’ll admit. But it comes from the constant white rhetoric that comes out everytime a black person mentions their hardships, and how their disadvantage is crippling their progress etc. There almost always will be the “My father had nothing and worked his way up/work hard and you will get the results/stop whining and get on with it” response. Again, I shouldn’t have added that, I was just thinking out loud.
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BOG once said on this very blog that all black representatives in SA sport are quotas by virtue of the quota system being a policy. By default, all employed professionals are AA appointments, all business owners are BEE beneficiaries because those policies exist…(he didn’t say it but he implied it – may he didn’t, in which case I will retract the assumption).
I will quote Grassy above on 151: “I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions.”
I will quote BOG on 155: “…In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught.”
I do not agree with quotas at professional level. I do feel they are a necessary evil for reasons I have long explained here. I do not, and will never agree with quotas at school level. They are inexcusable. Kids will listen to their parents though. If talk like the one above flies around the house, true as they may be, you will have kids that slowly grow up with a sense of superiority and that the world is wrong when things don’t go their way. It is no different to a black kid growing up in a home where there is constant bitterness of how the father is paid less than his white colleague, or how he was not white enough to earn that promotion etc. Kids develop a certain sense from that, your frustration becomes theirs. A black kid will accept a less competent black person earning more than him or getting that promotion, and will probably just laugh it off, but will claim racism if it was a white person – the same tends to happen with white people in a vice versa situation. Sometimes justified because racism and quotas/AA/BEE are a reality in this country. Sometimes not because we were conditioned in certain ways from a young age and have become oblivious to our own incompetence, and shortcomings
@BOG: I also think people don’t always understand what a big step it is to leave everything behind and go abroad. It is very few peoples first choice but looking at the way we are following the Zimbabwean path the decision is fast becoming more easy to make.
A friend of mine moved to Melbourne four years ago. He is a medical engineer, financially he has been put fiftheen years back. Still he says for his kids futures he made the right decision at least they are relatively save and they will be judged on merit not on the colour of their skin.
@Playa: playa you amaze me, when non white players don’t get seleceted it is because of racism and you give one or two examples and the is then the norm.If white kids leave it is isolated cases and not the norm?
It doesn’t matter if a white rugby player that leaves would have made it or not the fact that they leave is a huge problem. Ask yourself how many of these players that is named are black? Why so few black player? Look how many of these guys are under 25 even under 23. It is mad to think they only leave for the money. It also doesn’t realy mater weather you want to believe these kids leave because of the political interference or not the fact is it is a huge topic next to any schoolboy rugby field on a Saturday. Trust me the conversations is not just about the money.
Also consider that very few will publicly say that they are leaving because of political interference. Look what happened to KP, we all had a big go at him and he was also one of those that wasn’t good enough to make it and he had to stand back for Bodi. Then a few years later he was the no.1 batsman in the world? Oops. We came from a racist past and instead of changing that we are once again building a new racist system and until black people in this country realize this we will once again experience decades of injustice. Remembered you don’t cure racism with racism.
A few years ago I saw a interview with a old apartheid fighter on BBC and in the interview he was laughing his head of really laughing out of his stomach when explaining how ridiculous the system was. See he said that he was a Xhosa but he was very light skinned, so he had him self re classified as coloured and not black. He is right it is stupid just a pity it has not changed. I wonder if he will laugh just as loud at what is happening now, because if the system looks racist and smell racist it probably is racist.
Funny you should mention hard work. I have been telling you that it is the only way to get successful transformations based on merit in this country. Good schools with good coaching so Mmvovo’s school don’t have to take 100+ at half time.
One last thing thees white kids get told from under 11 that there will be quotas applied at their provincial trails. Because most black schools don’t have good coaching it can not be hidden away. These kids know when their opponent is good or not. They are not stupid and they can’t believe if they sometimes see who made the teams. So they get thought that from a young age so why should they not be suspicious of the system when they leave school, whether they are good enough or not, oops it might be another KP.
@BOG: What I surmised is “THERE ARE PLAYERS WITH SHORTCOMINGS WHO BLAME AA/QUOTAS FOR NOT MAKING IT’. English is a second language for both of us so I get how things can get lost in translation.Then again, you are famous (notorious) for twisting semantics to suit your own point.
@Grasshopper: A friend of my son, an old “Glenwoodian”, and I guess about your age, has been in CT since November and unable to find a job- for the same reason. In the UK, he worked for one of the top 3 IT companies, but in SA that counts for naught. He is probably on his way back too.
@Grasshopper: Well, you cannot say that I did not warn you.As you call it, Mud Island is not all that great,climate wise, but at least you are not discriminated against because of your pigmentation. And you will be arriving there in summer which will ease the transition. And of course, many of the players who are leaving, are doing it in the interests of their children- not just rugby and money. You can go and read the comments on the SA expat pages to Australia as well. 99% of the thousands who takes this difficult step- a lot of money, big risks, do it in the interest of their children. And they sacrifice hugely to do that. But they see no future here for their kids.@Playa: That is precisely what you surmised- players are blaming AA, quotas for their shortcomings as rugby players. Well, Ill tell you, there are more who exploit quotas to masquerade as rugby players. And that becomes clear within 3-4 years after they leave school. Otherwise, Im not going to disturb your slumber. If you want to fool yourself, at least enjoy it. While you do, the pillars are crumbling.
@Rugger fan: Me, on Monday from 1pm…can’t wait! Will be up with my best mate who coaches at Ashton, he will probably be the biggest guy there on the day…can’t miss him…
Any of our intrepid bloggers from out of province going to be at Kearsney for the CW & Academy weeks?
@BOG: Well I’m returning to the UK in 3 weeks exactly because of BEBEBEBBEEEEEEE & quotas. I have been the most experienced and qualified person for a number of director positions here in SA to be told they BEBEBEBEBEEEEBBEE positions. Also, I want my kids growing up in a society where everyone is equal and teams are picked on merit. I can tell you now many of those rugby players are doing it for their kids too..
@BOG:
“To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself.”
Could you please quote me on where exactly I said that?
To be clear. My views are purely based on the article you posted, and the names listed thereof. The one reason for leaving all those guys have in common, is MONEY. That is the only absolute I can state, and we can debate that if you wish. Any other reasons, are individual dependant – whatever those may be, and these include politics. Where players sight politics as a reason, there will be genuine ones (small minority), and there will be convenient excuses (majority). Some of those will be people who rightfully have been hard done by transformation (I am struggling to see a single guy who I think has been limited by transformation – I am happy to be enlightened if I am missing something), some will be people who are disillusioned.
The End
@BrotherBear: Don’t get me wrong. Quotas is a genuine reason for some, but really not for a majority. Take a careful look a that list, and then tell me how many of those would you genuinely believe if they told you they are leaving because they have been affected by the quota system.
A deserving white boy who loses out of a Craven Week position because the union needs to fill up a quota, gets fed up, packs his bags for Europe is a genuine case in my view. It is a case that happens all too often, and I too am concerned and sympathise. To be harsh – what is that about the cream always rising to the top? What is it about rolling up your sleeves and knuckling down to some good old hard work? In reality, though it’s a huge knock for a person, and he is right to plight his trade elsewhere.
There is also the often misguidedness we suffer from as parents….and that is we all believe our kids are geniuses/superstars, and when they don’t make that team, or when they don’t get into that varsity, we blame external factors – instead of being honest with ourselves and to our kids.
Look at that list of 45, and tell me honestly, how many do you believe are leaving because quotas/transformation/politics are a bigger reason than cash. How many in fact, would you say have had their careers limited because of quotas for that matter? I may be the ignorant one in this discussion.
@Playa: To say that its only the players who cannot make it in SA, who are leaving the country, is BS yourself. Of course, not all of those who leave, will “make it”. Neither will all the ones who remain in SA. Fact is, they are gatvol for the regimes meddling in sport, while the pillars of society, are collapsing. Mind you, seldom has sport survived at an acceptable level, where governance has collapsed
@Rugbyman: @Stier: @AntonT: @Playa: Lets just stand back and see how this all came about. Every union is made up of clubs. They vote in people to head the union. These people represented their clubs not rugby. Like Jacob and company their new found status resulted in entitlement of money to themselves due to previous disadvantage. They preceded to self enrich and i am well aware that when an event takes place the whole entourage and their families live lavish life styles in hotels courtesy of the unions bank account. I have been told that WP is struggling with money! HOW? The stadium was paid for decades ago in amateur era. Gate is pure profit….Sponsorship and gate fees should easily cover bills. But they are a beast that consumes everything in sight. Yes its professional and a decent salary is due to any that are employed by them. But how many are required? I would love to compare the WPRU to the Dallas cowboys staff and I am sure they out number the Cowboys 20/1 at least.
@Playa: it does sound as if you and those close to you have not really experienced the impact and nastiness of the quota system. I have and my children have. It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE in how you see these things. I can easily mention numerous talented children that have been and still are seriously affected by this and are considering moving to other countries. Yes, those around them (parents, coaches) do not always help in providing perspective, but the adverse effect of the quota system is REAL.
@BOG: It is the main reason.The political interference reason is debatable per individual,and my guess is it’s a small minority of those players that are in reality leaving because of it.There are some that just use it as an excuse in their (and theit parents’) illusions of being destined for higher honours.I honestly have seen enough players who couldn’t even make their club’s first XV but skipped the country because of ‘quotas and politics’.More often than not,it’s just used as a convenient scapegoat.It’s actually become pathetic.
That’s all I’ll say on this.
@Playa: Im certainly not suggesting that money plays no role in the exodus of players- actually the total collapse of the ZAR, but you are fooling yourself if you think that it is the ONLY reason. And the incompetence which we are seeing in SARU, has NOTHING to do with money. The main reason for this decline, is POLITICAL INTERFERENCE, quotas just being a single manifestation of that. Further below, Stier points out that parents see no rugby future for their kids in SA and I know of some who are leaving directly after school. They are no longer interested in playing even U19 in SA. Next week, we have CW, which is supposed to be the “pride and joy” of SA school rugby. But it has lost its flavour too. Half of the teams will be playing with their shoe laces tied together.And everyone, except the rugby and political cadres know it. And mark my words, everyone, in an attempt, however sickening, to be politically correct, will avoid this issue- while the rugby suffers.Their “remedy” is MORE interference. Their “rationale” is that if socialism does not work, try “scientific socialism”- communism ( in a sporting sense). No, the writing is very clear on the wall, and no, you are not reading it incorrectly. If you think that you are, you are fooling yourself-big time
@Playa: well as I said the union doesn’t have a clue…..The team was changed last minute which is well commented on by many.
@Hooit: I don’t know what happened in that match. How it’s possible I don’t know. Some serious complacency also part of that. Maybe ploegie can shed some light on that loss….
@BOG: As mens op ‘n saterdag langs die veld staan en praat met die ouers en seuns is dit duidelik dat al hoe meer seuns sien nie meer ‘n rugby toekoms in suid afrika nie. Hulle wil regverdig behandel word maar hulle besef dit gaan nie gebeur nie. So wie kan hulle kwalik neem? Dit is net hartseer om te sien hoe al hoe minder kinders belangstel in die springbok. Personlik sal ek nie betaal om super rugby of die springbokke te kyk nie. Totdat die ANC agents hulle snoete uit rugby hou sal ek nie geld mors nie. Om die skool kinders op saterdae te sien speel waar almal gelyk behandel word en net die beste speel is waaroor dit regtig gaan.
@Djou: Sjo Djou maar jy is lig gevat. Relax, iemand iewers moet die geld gee…. Watter kind , wie se ouers skaars skoolgelde kan bekostig gaan hulle kinders ‘n 1500km weg stuur en wonderbaarlik ‘n paar ekstra duisend rand ‘n maand optower vir koshuisgelde en al die ander ekstra omkostes. Natuurlik is daar ‘n wortel voor gehou, wat dit ookal mag wees. En persoonlik dink ek nie daar is iets daarmee fout nie. Daar is vir hierdie kinders betaal, dis ‘n feit. Al waaroor nog geargumenteer kan word is wie het betaal. As dit nie die unie, of die skool was nie, was dit dan ‘n weldoener of dalk daai ou wat Saterdae by loftus die bulle ondersteun met die Bulring aan sy neus.
@Djou: So ek moet na jou luister? Ek het baie lank in Pretoria gebly. Garsies was tot onlangs nie eers bekend in Pretoria as ‘n rugby skool nie. Affies en Waterkloof was maar altyd die “rugby” skole. Dit is maar in die laaste vier of vyf jaar dat Garsies elke jaar ‘n faktor begin word het. Gaan kyk maar na die craven week spanned oor die laaste tien jaar. Ek sal nooit vergeet to Blades vir Victor so ‘n paar jaar gelede by craven week vra of Centurion en Garsfontein groot rugby skole is. Victor kon hom nie eers antwoord nie. Punt is Blades ken sy skool rugby en hy het nie eers geweet die skole het goeie rugby nie. Hoeveel Springbokke het Garsies al op gelewer? Garsies is ‘n nuwe skool en hulle sal nog ‘n tradiesie bou maar on vir my te kom vertel dat bruin kinders van die Kaap Garsfontein toe wil gaan? Soos ek gese het dit klink te goed on waar te wees en as iets te goed klink om waar te wees dan is dit gewoonlik.
@Gungets Tuft:
Are you going to tear yourself away from the salt-mine to have a booga up at Kearsney at all? Gimme a shout if you are. I’m just down the hill – 10 mins away.
@BOG: Money money money!
That list would halve tomorrow if policy of non-selection for Boks for overseas based players was implemented.
Also added to it is the attraction of playing less games and hence extending one’s longevity in the game.And while at least tripling your earnings.
Soccer experienced this at the advent of professionalism back in the late 60s and still happens today.The South American countries that experienced a player drain to European clubs are still up there with the best.It’s just all new to rugby and cricket.Let’s take a deep breath…equilibrium will be reached.Congratulations Rugby….you are now a career.
@odie15: But WP could’ve hit quota easily on merit and selected it’s best squad.
This is when you question the selectors and not the quota system.
@BOG: ek weet… dis die berig van sondag waarna ek verwys…
En so reageer die SA spelers op die chaos: “Mass exodus of players”
http://www.supersport.com/rugby/sa-rugby/news/160630/Mass_player_exodus_after_Super_Rugby
@Rugbyman: Jy besef seker ek was sarkasties hierbo, maar toe ek hierdie dinge n jaar of twee gelede geopper het, was daar etllike reaksies, maar wat met onkundig/negatief/pessimisties opgesom kan word. Die volgende sal jou “vermoede” bevestig: “Huge drop in Superrugby, TV, fan numbers” m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Rugby/SuperRugby/super-rugby-tv-fan-viewership-plummets-20160704?isapp=true
I see after day at Grant Khomo the Lions are still on track to defend their title and the ‘favourites’ WP lost to Boland.
@BoishaaiPa: Het die naweek na Nick Mallet se kommentaar geluister en dit was skokkend hoe gebrekkig sy kennis van die reels is. En Maandagaand geluiter na Jean en Ashwin. Nou, ek het baie respek vir hulle, maar ek hoor heeltyd verskonings van waarom die Bokke so swak speel. Alles van hulle is jonk, ‘n nuwe span, ken mekaar nie ens.
Maar waarom sukkel die All Blacks nie so nie. Hulle verloor gereeld net so baie spelers en hulle skakel maklik in. En daar is geen van die verskonings wat ons ouens opdis nie.
@Stier: Wel Stier, jy’t reeds jou ore uitgeleen aan iemand wat meen dat die Bulle geld aan Garsies betaal. En nou weet jy ook dat die seuns nie weet wie Garsies is nie. Nou ja, nes almal hierbo nie weet wie Paarl Gim, Boishaai, ens ens is nie, net so sal jy kinders kry wat nie weet wie Garsies, Grey, Affies ens is nie.
Nog nooit gesê ALMAL wil Garsies toe kom nie. Net vertel wat werklik gebeur en daar is werklik baie seuns wat wil kom.
So, luister eerder na die mense wat binnekennis het eerder as na die groep wat bogstories versprei. Dan is jou opinie meer ingelig!
@Rugbyman: Wat wou ! SA rugby in die moeilikheid? Nooit nie. Kannie wees nie. Bloot n fiksie van jou verbeelding.
@BoishaaiPa: Is dit nie maar die probleem by meeste van ons unies nie…? Ek sien daar was ‘n lang berig oor ons kykersgetalle wat so afneem… ons super rugby spanne (behalwe die lions) speel sulke boring rugby dat dit niemand behoort te verras nie… voeg daarby ‘n super rugby kompetisie wat lankal nie meer super is nie en ‘n uiters afgewaterde curriebeker reeks en jy het ‘n fiasko! Die varsity cup was baie aantreklik tot die sirkus met die protes aksie… snaaks genoeg was die varsity cup kompetisie nie ‘n SARU kompetisie nie… Dalk is dit juis die rede hoekom dit suksesvol is…
Ons rugby is in die moeilikheid! Dis boring om te kyk en ons seuntjies se helde is deesdae all blacks… die goeie ou dae is verby… ek myself kyk graag all black rugby bloot omdat hulle nie vergeet het waaroor rugby gaan nie… ons het wel vergeet… en jammer om te sê SARU word ook maar deur amateurs gerun…
@Stier: Ons werk nig aan ons reputasie… maar gelukkig weet jy darem al wie ons is… en jy sal verbaas wees hoeveel mense in die Kaap weet wie ons is…
Ons is darem al berug…
@Scrum5: I don’t see many of WP CW players staying. Maybe 6. There’s a serious issue in management…..a union that has consumed itself in time. Amateurs running a professional outfit.
So die seuns hier in die kaap will almal garsies toe gaan? Hulle weet nie eers waar gauteng is nie never mind garsies….. Nee dit klink te goed om waar te wees. Ek weet garsies het baie verbeter maar kom ons wees eerlik hulle het nog nie eers Affies of waterkloof se reputasie as rugby skool nie. Wat nog van PRG, Boland, Bios, Gim, SACS, Bishops, Rondebosch…..die kinders hier op laeskool sal nie eers weet garsies is ‘n skool nie. Hulle dink nog as hulle deur die Hugenote tonnel ry moet jy paspoort wys.
@Gungets Tuft: He went for rugby and that was it. Bader has provincial colors for cricket, rugby, hokkey , judo, wrestling and golf. In fact his dad wanted him to go into golf but he loves rugby.
@McCulleys Workshop: You might be right it was middle under 15 or 16. Well his dad is a friend of mine and he use to wrestle with my boys so unless they lied…
@Scrum5: And that is why WP wont win anything at senior level..Bunch of amateurs in charge with no idea how to run a professional setup and think they can run a professional business entity like your local club, because that is where all their experience comes from! .. .they depend on the brilliance of their junior players to shine the light for WP!..after u/21 the wheels come off big time!
At yesterday’s opening ceremony of the u/13 and u/16 weeks a member of the WP Executive made a speech that included the following statement – Parents please send your kids after school to the Union where he went to school!!, Be careful for unscrupolous agents who is in it for the financial gain only!! My response to that is wake up and smell the roses sir you are out of touch with professional rugby and maybe.the loss of loosing 3 top players of Paarl Boys to the Lions are still shocking the WP fraternity
My question to this gentleman is if you get offered a better opportunity in you professional career are you going to turn it down. Statements like that must surely motivate agents to not do business with WP.
@Gungets Tuft: The comment was styled around Union involvement. Why does it stand to reason that he had a sponsor? Has it dawned on you that his parents certainly didn’t require a sponsor and there where other reasons they moved him?
@McCulleys Workshop: Can’t see the Sharks ponying up R200k a year for House when they could send the kid to Glenwood for less that 1/2 that, and have him in Durban. So it stands to reason he had a sponsor linked to House, one way or another. What were his matric results like, maybe he had an academic bursary.
@Stier: Kan bevestig Bulle het nog nooit ‘n sent aan Garsies betaal nie. Daarom dat meeste Garsies na skool na ander provinsies gaan. Mense wat so leuens versprei is natuurlik jaloers omdat die spelers nie na hulle toe gaan nie. En hoe word Kaapse kinders Garsies? Die telefoon en epos is die beginpunt. En dit kom van die ouers af wat beter geleenthede soek vir hul seuns. En nee Garsies se nie vir almal ja nie. Trouens die skool sou vol Kaapse kinders gewees het as vir almal ja gese is.
@Stier: “Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michaelhouse toe”. Do you know that for a fact, or are you speculating, and in speculating, who paid his “vet paket”, Michaelhouse or the Sharks. Secondly he was at PRG until U15.
@Stier: Daai onnie het iets gerook… dis lekker braaivleisvuurkakpraat…
Is nogal interessant hoe hulle daarbo opeindig… dis soos colonel sanders se resep… n moerse geheim!
Geluk, ek hoor die boland grant khomo span het vanmiddag die wp gepiets in wat my spioene sê ‘n baie goeie game was! WP lyf julle lag-lag in by hulle as dit so gaan…
WP se onder 13B span het die “finaal” in sasolburg teen die Boland gewen. Die telling was 17 – 7.
Vandag het die WP onder13A die Pumas 28 – 19 gewen.
@Rugbyman: Sorry ek het gedink hulle kry ook. ‘n onnie van een van die skole daar bo het vir my gese hulle en ander kry geld van die Bulle. Hy het Garsfontein genoem maar dit wys jou niemand weet regtig wat aangaan nie. Dit is tog interresant hoe die kaapse kinders daar in julle skole beland.
WP is very close to being able to select teams under 16 and higher on merit. At the under 13 it is not the case. It was interesting to notice the huge difference between the boys from the “plateland and northern suburbs” compared to the southern subberbs. The first two were more white and the last more mixed. In the first game the plateland region team beat the south 15 tries to 1.
Another thing to consider is “black and coloured” if I my call it so. If so called “coloured” kids count as qouta players then the WP is fine but if the qouta system only apply to “black” kids as I understand it even WP will be in big trouble.
@Stier: Interessante post… net een klein puntjie van orde… die bulle het nog nooit vir garsfontein n sent gegee nie… use it, dont use it… lekker aand
@Stier: Yes the system is flawed. You can’t force kids to enjoy a sport. I don’t care about colour. I want our best to play freely and to excel. Yes it’s easier transition in Cape Town. Although I don’t think it’s transition. Most of the time it’s players making it on merit. But as we’ve seen in a few selections our best player in a position or 2 is relegated to AW for quota sake. But WP could’ve hit quota easily on merit and selected it’s best squad.
@odie15: Bader Pretorius was in PRG tot onder 16, hy is toe met ‘n vet paket Michealhouse toe en sou na skool Sharks toe gaan. Die Sharks teken toe vir Bosch en Bader vat toe eerder ‘n kontak by die Leeus om te kan speel.
My seun se laerskool het by Marlow teen Florida van JHB gespeel. Baie van hulle seuns was van die Kaap. Ek kom nie glo dat die skole nou al laerskool kinders koop nie.
Die kwota ding maak dit moeilik vir die unies wat nie ‘n swart rugby kiltuur het nie. Van onder 12 rugby is daar nou kwota en volgende jaar moet albei onder dertien toernooie se spanne 50/50 wees. Die unies daar bo gaan pakslae vat tensy hulle laerskool kinders koop van die kaap en oos kaap. Die kinders betaal op die on end die prys vir ‘n belaglik sisteem wat deur ons regering op die unies gedwing word. Ek se weer, die regering moet help dat meer skole sport beoefen en dat daar goeie afrigting is, dan hoef niemand laerskool kinders 1500km van hulle ouers te pos nie.
Ek sal ‘n voorspelling waag, binne die volgende vyf jaar gaan HTS Drosdy een van die top tien of dalk top rugby skool in ons land wees. Nou dat die Bulle en Boland, brannas en wyn mix gaan die Bulle minder geld vir Garsfontein ens. gee en meer gekleurde spelers hier naby hulle gesinne in die kaap hou. Ek dink wel ‘n beurs by Drosdy gaan ‘n kind horings gee?
Ek dink by craven week moet die unies toe gelaat word om te praat baklei en teken soos hulle will. Rugby is nou profesioneel en soos enige werk kan ek kies of ek by Mazda Ford of Toyota will vloere was. Die kinders weet die sport is na skool ‘n werk en hulle moet dit so aanvaar of hulle moet ‘n emmer en mop aanskaf.
Ek dink egter dat op skool moet kinders toegang he tot goeie rugby skole so na as moontlik aan hulle ouer huise. Kinders moenie 1500km van hulle ouers af bly net omdat die regering kwota spanne soek nie.
@Quagga: Looking at the Kearsney school site, it seems that WP playing the 6th game, after the opening ceremony (still against SWD).
@BrotherBear: a fixture list from a parent on FB. Thanx for clearing it up for me.
@quagga: What source are you using? Schedule on this website says they playing 5th game of day 1 against SWD. Just after Lions vs Pumas.
Weird. Looking at the Kearsney College match schedule for the Academy Week and WP are not on the fixture list for the first two days.
Weird. Looking at the Kearsney College match schedule for the Academy Week and WP are not on the fixture list.
@BoishaaiPa: yes you are correct. I was saying that as far as I know those players being discussed received offers late. And yes it’s extremely true…..in game time. Most of this u19 group won’t see a Senior contract. So landing game time is biggest commodity for any player.
@Ploegskaar: off topic, FYI: https://m.facebook.com/glenwoodhighschool/posts/1730032930600983
@BoishaaiPa: VP/Boishaai OB, Unie, Agentskap, Agent/Boishaai OB. Net vir duidelikheid
@BoishaaiPa: Schoolboy “contracts” will be a thing of the past in 2 prominent unions, like you said, not worth the paper it’s written on for the unions. But cuts both ways, no more carrot for the fat agent to get a player signed up early as well. More of an open market at u18 level, if you like
@BoishaaiPa: As long as we are clear that, in this case, it was all about the R’s, for all involved
@odie15: The most valuable thing a union can offer a young player is game time in my opinion. Couple of R000 here or there should be less of an attraction than game time. a Player and his agent must look at the unions whole setup and look at the possible “pecking order” and chances of getting through the system to the top team. The no of contracted players also plays a huge role. Thus unions like the Lions and Cheetahs will in future become more viable options for young players as they seek more game time than R’s….Look what happend at the Bulls couple of years ago…they had so many centers some of them never got to play..and still dont play!…
@odie15: I dont know all the legal technicalities around schoolboy “contracts” but last years group only went after school and three current squad members will only be going next year when they have finished school. So I dont see the “poaching” angle. What went on between different unions within the timeframe while they are still at school is neither here nor there as I believe those contracts are not worth the paper they are written on. Its the prof era and unions with the best offers and options will attract the better players.
@BoishaaiPa: my understanding is late signings to Lions.
@BoishaaiPa: Ek het nou self gewonder of daar enige band tussen HJS en die Leeus is agv top HJS spelers wat Leeus toe skuif(die laaste twee jaar indien die gerugte wel waar is). Dit beantwoord dan my vraag! Opgewonde om te sien dat die Leeus sterk oppad is om die algemene dominering van die WP en Bulle op o19 vlak bietjie te verander! Ook bly vir die spelers! Die Leeus is defnitief op die regte pad op verskeie vlakke volgens my.
@Muzi: There is a big difference…There is no poaching going on as these players all went AFTER school..not during as with most of the WC purchases by the Bulls!…They received legit offers and contracts from the Lions…There is also a very strong link between the Lions and Paarl Boys as the Lions’s Vice President and one of their financial contributors is a Paarl Boys Old Boy…
@BotherBear: Great thanks. I missed that game but saw the pics and heard he showed some heart in that game. Looking forward to seeing him in action in the next Helpmekaar vs. Garsfontein game.
@BrotherBear: Yes correct about Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar. He and the Bulls fly Charles Goedhals (also U17) seem to have a spacial rivalry these last few years so whenever they meet it turns out to be a great contest.
Oosthuizen is indeed the Helpie regular fly and still U17. Take into account that the AW fly is also U17 Luke Rossouw from Monnas so it will be interesting to see how he does at the AW.
If you consider their respective scrumhalves both those guys are also Lions with Tinus Combrinck of Monnas playing CW already this year and Ruhan Viviers playing Academy Week this year. Both of those are U17 as well. In the match between Helpies and Monnas they went head to head and I thought the Helpies duo were one up over their Monnas counterparts at that stage, but the selectors thought differently during provincial selections this year. 2017 should be an interesting year for these boys competing for that CW #9 and #10 jerseys and should be one of the exciting battles of next season.
@Quagga: Bees is a happy hooker. Chap with the red hair. Finished the game against Helpies with an extended band-aid after an unfortunate accident.
@BotherBear: Which position does Bees play at Garsies?
@Quagga: Yes, excellent news w.r.t. Tristan Oosthuizen. Shows you that a good man will somehow come through. I believe he is also still U/17 and is the regular Helpmekaar fly half. He was also unlucky last year to not make the GK team, but did well at the Academy week and was selected as part of the Noordvaal team that toured Ireland (accompanied by two Helpmekaar team mates: Tommy van Tonder and Liam van den Berg). Helpmekaar must be super proud of him.
Bees, from Garsfontein, was the best forward at the tournament. He is U/19, and although very physical I love his approach to the game. Hard as nails but you always detect some form of a smile.
I see the lions have been poaching players from Paarl Boys High interesting….I bet you R100 bucks if those boys were going to the Bulls in 2017 Gery Smal would be moaning in the newspapers again.
@Greenman: Sharks had to pay a huge amount. Lions about R2500 and you have n home tournament. Must say the Lions have been attending many functions and camps sleeping out which is all included in the amount so it seems good value for money.
@Quagga: Baie geluk. He was also motm on Monday in their 1st game.
@BrotherBear: @Riempies: @Rob: Tristan Oosthuizen of Helpmekaar was named the backline player of the tournament at the PUK U19 week. Bulls beat the Lions in the unofficial final.
@h2o: Must say that I do find the KZN teams or Sharks well short of looking like a professional side as far as presentation is concerned. Saturday was no exception. I am not sure who has, if any, the money but the parents also contribute R6000 towards kit.
The Lions on the other side looks the part and always has.
@Hooit: @Quagga: It was the same issue last year where the parents or a parent had to supply the blazers for the CW side otherwise they had to go in their tracksuit tops. At the capping ceremony it was also made clear that all provincial school sides would be known as Sharks Schools. The teams have been finalized but due to some injuries they have brought boys in to fill. So far I am only aware of Glover in the AW being injured and withdrawn. The Westville lock was brought in and Duran moved to 8. The u12A team had Sharks on the chest but the u12B team had the old KZN schools emblem in Vryheid. It was also a eye opener seeing a Bulls u12 side who had participated in 2 tournaments and 20+ practices playing against a Sharks team who had 5 practice sessions behind them. The same old story with the Sharks schools at CW battling day 1 and only start firing on game 2 and 3…….
@Hooit: @h2o: @Greenman: Last week at the u12 tournament in Vryheid the official from the Sharks made a speech at the opening announcing that ALL teams representing the Sharks would in future play as the Sharks and no longer as KZN yet Saturday at Loftus the AW team was introduced as KZN again.
@Hooit: maybe that is what is left of John Smit left. Must say I am not very fond of the colour jersey.
@Quagga: 6 is Jonathan O Neil( Glenwood) and 10 Francke Botha (Glenwood). He was injured at the time of final trials. 13 is Jc Conradie (Glenwood). Not sure who played 8 on the day
@h2o: KZN AW players no 8 and 13 were also strong runners.
@Greenman: None of the Sharks players on Saterday were wearing Sharks clothing. They all had their school tracksuits on and played in their school rugby socks. So for me it seemed like the teams were not finalised yet. Maybe they used the day as part of their trials.
Dinsdag 2016-06-28 o/13 week Sasolburg.
Griffons 39 – 10 Luiperds
Vrystaat 29 – 20 Pumas
Limpopo BB 13 – 7 Leeus
Valke 7 – 19 Natal
SWD 7 – 14 Boland
WP 20 – 10 Blou Bulle
More se program
Luiperds vs Vrystaat
Valke vs Pumas
Leeus vs Griffons
Blou Bulle vs Sharks
SWD vs Limpopo BB
Boland vs WP.
@h2o: Sharks AW side standout players for me were #6 and #10 (don’t know their names sorry)
Onder 13 week, Sasolburg. Dag twee
WP 20 – 10 Blou Bulle
Sal res van die tellings post sodra ek dit kry.
Results from the under 13 week in Sasolburg. WP wou eers ontrek omdat net hulle hulle span op 11/11 kwota gekies het die toernooi verlang net 4/18 verdeeling maar sal van volgende jaar ook 11/11 vir all die unies wees.
Maandag 2016-06-27
Griffons 10 – 29 Limpopo BB
Blou Bulle 28 – 32 SWD
Boland 27 – 7 Leeus
WP 53 – 5 Luiperds
Sharks 14 – 6 Pumas
Valke 13 – 12 Vrystaat.
I noticed many positional changes, new additions to CW (obviously pulled up from AW) and AW. What I did not see was a non traveling reserve list where these add ons were communicated. I am not sure how many new additions there were for Sharks. Is it now a case of whose available that stay nearest which so happened to be my son’s brother?
@Hooit: who in the Sharks AW team stood out?
@Hooit: @Brotherbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.
@Hooit: @Broterbear: Lions AW one lineout ball marginally not straight in first half. Rest found the mark. Lions dominating scrums in 1st half popping Sharks #2 more than a few times. The loss of a player early in the match cost them big time later but my biggest concern was the absence of the St.Bennys players on the day. Their services were needed but they were playing against St.Johns. How does that compare to this event in terms of importance? GL need to sort out defence in the midfield before their next match and they will be much more competitve. Final thoughts, much could be learnt from the loss and the Sharks were deservant winners on the day.
@akw: He is in grade 11 and just turned 17, he is still learning his trade. 2017 will be the year he comes to the fore. This year is a big learning curve for him.
@hooit: w.r.t. Scrums going up, I believe you referring to CW side. Old problem with the no 1 prop (see his name appears on the “selected” list). He will have to work on staying straight – even when he dominates.
AW side had one heel against the head to their benefit – cudos to good scrumming. In line-outs no 4 jumper was not as effective and most of the throws then went to 2 (100 % on 8 throws). KZN forwards impact was whilst running hard at Lions backline. With one man down for most of the match, the dam wall then broke a few times. In general the team is very good but did not perform on day, with a few players better than those in CW. Coaching has already shown improvements. CW side has the potential to be unbeaten in Durban. Very good balance and some game breakers front and back. Defense for both teams NNB.
Team selected from Bondedag (www.ruggas)
Names in brackets were also discussed
1.Nathan Mcbeth – Lions ( Cabous Eloff BB, Morgan Naude Pumas )
2.Pieter Botha – Lions ( Schalk Erasmus BB, D Richardson KZN )
3.Andre vd Merwe – Valke ( Morney Smit BB, Gideon Beukes Cths, Dewald Maritz Pumas )
4.Ryno Pieterse BB – ( JJ vd Mescht – KZN )
5.Henk Pretorius BB – ( J Meyer – KZN )
6.Regardt du Plessis – BB ( JC Pretorius Pumas, Gerald Zimasa Leopards )
7.Tiaan Scholtz – Lions ( Philip Krause BB )
8.Dian Schoonees – Cheetahs ( Gift Dlamini Griffons )
9.Richman Gora – Griff ( Jaco Joubert Pumas )
10.Wernich Kaggelhoffer Limpopo (Ruan de Swardt – BB, Stefan vd Bank – Pumas, )
11.Maxwell van Louw – Lions
12.Rikus Pretorius – Cheetahs (Louritz vd Schyff BB )
13.Wandisile Simelane – Lions ( Janco van Heiningen Cheetahs)
14.Andrew Kota – Griffons
15.Martin Steyn – Valke ( Abner van Heerden BB, David Kriel Cheetahs)
@BrotherBear: Aw 13 and 15 should offload/pass more agree. Must say 13 is a very good runner with the ball but had another player next to him in a better position often. 15 is a very strong runner with the ball. 2 of his chip kicks did not work but could have. However a big problem is that once the ball is passed to a wing or fullback the other backline players return in order to be in position for the next attack and does not run a support line on the inside. I thought the AW scrums and lineouts were below par. They scored from our missed throws and the scrums mostly went up. In the second half the Sharks forwards dominated the Lions forwards in all areas. Best forward for me was the hooker.
@Greenman: and every day cannot be a brilliant day for every player – granted.
True tests coming up in youth weeks – PUK started today.
Some players take longer to adjust in new structures and then fire exceptionally well (thinking players should not over-think).
@akw: Everyone rates its own, they say!
The Lions CW team is vulnerable against pace out wide. Time and again the Griffons 9 and 12 attacked the outside channels and found space there. One or two passes inside and there is no cover defense.
Lions 13 and 15 very good ball in hand.
I am sorry Hopper but the very large Kzn lock should contribute much more in the tight loose. With his size he could deliver the same as Skelton does for the Aussies, but it was not on display.
The BB CW side was very dominant in the first half, running up a 31-10 lead but they removed their 3 at half time and the replacement got badly beaten.
I might be parochial but the best player on display was the rangy 19 in the BB CW side, whether at lock during the first half or at flank during the second half he played brilliant rugby.
I understand the defense for both CW and AW Lions teams were at times shocking. PUK team performed much better. Well deserved win.
@Hooit: my understanding of general rugby is that you only keep running with ball in hand if you in better position than team mate OR if you cannot put them in better position. Both no 13 and 15 in AW team did NOT do that. Especially 9, 10, centres and fullback need to create space. Wandisile did it well for CW team but no 10 CW very poor. Many times the forwards had good supporting lines, but backline player wants to go all on their own. TRUST is lacking from some players in both teams. Thought the no 2 in AW played very well, as well as the 8th man (who stood in as lock). They were a shining light in line-outs as well. Both CW and AW scrums were very good. Both teams extremely dangerous with ball in hand, BUT then it needs to move to open payers. Defense defense defense.
@Riempies: Stem saam. Ek dink die AW span se wedstryd was meer fisies as die CW span se game. Die 14 man het begin wys op die einde. Net te veel gate en mus tackles. Coach het bietjie erg geklink vir ons as toeskouers.
@Hooit: Was nou nie juis die Leeus AK se beste match nie. Ja die rooi kaart het hulle geen guns gedoen nie en het veroorsaak dat daar in 2de Helfte baie gate was. Ek dink as hulle die bal meer laat loop het sou dit n ander telling gewees het. Hulle kan nie net bal tot by senters laat gaan nie. Op meer as een geleentheid moes die bal net buite of binnetoe aangegee geword het en dit was punte. Afrigter kan ook nie die heletyd tydens die wedstryd vir spelers skree wat om te doen nie. Rig voor wedstryd af. Dit maak hulle net deurmekaar en veroorsaak dat die spelers nie hul eie sterkpunte kan speel nie. As afrigter maak jy hulle net deurmekaar.
. Dan wat CW span betref hulle hulle n goeie wedstryd gehad. Die enigste kommer was dat hulle soms gesukkel het op verdediging. Griffons toegelaat om terug in game te kom. Buiten dit was hulle goed. Wel gedaan aan al die seuns wat in die twee spanne gespeel het. Hoop om groot verbeteringe te sien op CW. 
@Quagga: Ek het op n ander post gesê na die Leeus vs Luiperds dat die Leeus akademie haker die flanke geklop het na die afbreek punte toe. Ek sien hy het Saterdag n kans op flank ook gekry. Daar is nog altyd gese n goeie haker is die 4de losvoorspeler. Net jammer vir hul rooikaart wat n geel moes wees. Leeus 13 en 15 ook n goeie game gehad. Sal kyk vir daai vleisie by Kearsney
@Hooit: Dalk sal dit lekker wees om eendag om ‘n braaivleis vuur te praat oor die werklike koste van ontwikkeling. Verlede jaar die som gemaak (maar nooit my vrou vertel nie
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The best rugby played on Saturday came from the BB GK side, their attacking play from deep was a thing of beauty and the fact that the same coach also coaches the Garsfontein 1st XV backline makes me believe the man has some serious coaching chops.
@Hooit: Money and development should never go hand in hand. Its the effort that we as parents put into the development of their child’s skills, mental attitude, discipline and attitude that will or rather should be determining factor.
Schools are merely a continuation / extension of the effort of a parent into his child’s development.
Further the figures mentioned is actually scary when seeing from a school such as where I used to be involved extensively as a parent.
@BoishaaiPa: Cant agree with you more.
So many parents chase and horse trade their sons to be in a big name environment when going to High School. My philosophy has always been if you good enough you will be able to come through the system doesn’t matter in what school you are.
As long as the school has systems in place from a coaching, development and opportunity point of view.
@BoishaaiPa: Stem saam paar mooi wedstryde wat gaan plaasvind.
@Grasshopper: Loftus Bondedag
I never understood why, when we have an SA under 20 side, we have a local under 19 Currie Cup. Clubs start from u/20, and so do varsities. My view has been to scrap u/19 CC altogether – which I’ll admit was extreme considering how much of a mess our club rugby is. As a compromise, make the u/19 CC an u/20 competition instead. Post the CC, select a SA u20 side. That side to tour with the Boks in November – get a test or two against the 6N sides, and 2 more weekday games against clubs.
As good an idea as having a Tri Nations for u20s – an idea I support – is that we have varsity cup which runs from Feb to May. My way around is to make the Young Guns VC strictly u19 so as to free up some 20 year olds. You will of course have a handful of 19 year olds in contention for Baby Bok honours. This is where VC would need to serve it’s greater purpose as a feeder, and not just a competition.
Just my 2 cents worth
@Hooit: to me the game changers are the attitude of the player, emotional support from those around him and exposure that a school ( or club) can provide, given that the talent is there. You don’t need R30k to be successful. A lot of that money goes to things that don’t directly impact success, but are nice to have’s. Medical could be a game changer – especially if serious injuries are encountered and need to be addressed for future success. A lot of that money also goes to support group logistics (travel, accommodation, etc.) nice to do, but not crucial.
Good question is also: “what is the minimum spend required to be successful?”, but we will have to make a few assumptions.
@Hooit: Like in any sport a child needs exposure and competition against the best to be able to develop to their full potential. In tennis and golf which is a more individual sport, you can forget that a kid from nowhere or with little exposure will make it in the pro ranks. You need to invest in their future by giving them top coaching, opportunities to compete etc.
In rugby maybe not so much, but there you need the opportunity to be spotted to get selected for a team. I dont think the amount of what you spend is directly correlated to the success a child might have in rugby. It is much more about getting the opportunities and being in the right team at the right time..and of course that you have the abilities and skills. Parents can spend as much as they like in any given sport , but if little Johnny doesnt have the basic skill set, abilities or drive, they wont succeed, no matter what you spend.
Next question is will the current players still be the best if all rugby parents can ‘invest’ R30 000 in their child or will the current players still be as good if their parents could not ‘invest’ more than R5 000 in their child?
@BrotherBear: @Hooit: if hostel cost is included, closer to 70-80K.
@Hooit: the Noordvaal Large Schools tend to travel a bit more and further, so add another R5k. Range is probably R25k to R35k. I know some boys have high performance training (private and SARU), which can easily add R20k.
@AbsolutMenlo: thank you for the congrats.
No U/16 GK players, but there are 7 players in the U/16 Academy teams. We are equally proud of them as well as the 2 players in the U/19 PUK team (Luwan Ludick and Tristan Oosthuizen).
The “other forces” still have quite a strong influence – hehehe. As you will know our U/16 group have not performed that well, which will influence individual players.
@Hooit: Probably more towards the R30k mark…
What will the estimate costs be to get 1 high school A team and provincial player through 1 year of rugby? R25 000 to R 30 000?. Petrol, gear, match day family food costs, tours, fees, medical expenses?
@BrotherBear: Congratulations!
How many u/16 GK players from Helpmekaar?
Congratulations to the following Helpmekaar u/18 players, capped as Lions last night:
Craven
6 – Mark Snyman
7 – Tiaan Stoltz
14 – David Cary
15 – Chuiner van Rooyen
Academy
2 – Daemon Venter
8 – Liam van den Berg
9 – Ruhan Viviers
12 – Zandre Kruger
13 – Keegan Haman
Well deserved boys. Proud to be a member of the Helpmekaar family, entering a new era.
I am certain each of you will excel – just remember to enjoy the journey.
@MikeSt: Kyk, as jy Saterdag op Loftus is kan jy darem paar lekker games sien. Sal moeilik wees om te kies tussen sommige wedstryde wat selfde tyd is. Sien al daar gaan so paar manne soos afkop hoenders tussen die velde rondhol!
@Grasshopper: Loftus
@chief: Thank you
@Hooit:
Vrystaat 43-12 Griffons
Vrystaat 40-15 Griquas
@MikeSt: Where is this?
Wedstrydprogram (Saterdag):
Stadion (A-veld)
09:00 Luiperds CW vs Limpopo CW
10:10 Griffons CW vs Leeus CW
11:20 Valke O/18 Cravenweek vs Pumas CW
12:30 Vrystaat CW vs Blou Bulle AK
13:40 Bulle CW vs KZN CW
B-veld
08:30 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
09:40 o/13 BB Laerskole Cluster
09:50 Enrista Polisie vs Naka Bulle
11:00 Enrista Centurion vs Tukkies
12:10 Enrista Dragons vs Innercity
13:20 Leeus NWU/PUK vs Valke O/18-Akademie (Stedelik/Rooi)
• C-veld
09:00 Enrista Harlequins vs TUT
10:10 Eye of the Tiger vs Valke AK O/18 (Platteland/Blou)
11:20 Leeus AK vs KZN AK
12:30 Limpopo GK vs Valke O/16 (Stedelik/Rooi)
D-veld
09:00 KZN GK vs Griffons GK
10:10 Blou Bulle GK vs Valke O/16-Grant Khomo
11:20 Leeus GK vs Pumas GK
12:30 Vrystaat GK vs Luiperds GK
@Greenman: Ja only CW teams. Didn’t the Griffons beat Free State in a friendly earlier?
@Greenman: Pretty sure they all playing will try and find out and let you know
@MikeSt: I accept this is only the CW and not AW?
@MikeSt: Thank you very much. First beer at 9 then.
Die Bondedag se bepalings is:
09:00: Luiperds t. Limpopo Blou Bulle;
10:10: Griffons t. Goue Leeus;
11:20: Valke t. Pumas;
12:30: Vrystaat t. Blou Bulle Akademie;
13:40: Blou Bulle t. KwaZulu-Natal.
@Andre T: Don’t you come here out of the bush and throw your weight around. Read all previous postings. Get with the program.
@MikeSt: you are correct – assuming good player skills and fitness, the combinations will be crucial. Have seen no 10 play a few times and am impressed with his alround ability. Needs to be tested against fast loosie defense though. Great stepping in one on one and will almost always beat his man. Will also see how it goes against well co-ordinated defense.
@Greenman: Where are they playing at 01h30………..in Hawaii?
KZN CW plays at 01H30 but that all I have got. Does anyone know the time of the other games?
@BrotherBear: In my opinion yes. Dont see that the EGJ nrs be seen as non performing Valke CW team.
@MikeSt: I see EG has 18 players in the top 2 Valke teams, 11 of which in the CW team. A close affair against FS, you say – hmm.
WP to run away with CW again this year. The total package within the WP area is just on a different level compared to other unions.
Valke will determine their week with the 1st game against FS which i think will be a close affair.
Valke has some game breakers in their team and the 9/10 pairing will be the determining factor on the way the team performs. They are both brilliant players and should be watched out for for the future.
Solid pack of forwards just concerned on what will be going on in the rest of the back line.
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@Hooit: JJ will play saturday!
@Hooit: I think if you are as big as he is at 17, it’s hard not to get recognised and touted for big things. He must remain grounded (which I am sure he will). I do remember him having Paul Willemse as his icon/hero, surely moving in his footsteps….hopefully not to France though…
@Hooit: Heh, give the poor 17 year old a break…
@BrotherBear: I wont read too much into these early fixtures results. That tournament was used as final trails (for WP at least). Last year SWD beat WP by a point or two in Riversdale at the same tourno and also beat EP while EP ran WP close as well. We all know what happend at Cravenweek a few weeks later…EP beat SWD 41-31 and WP in turn ran away with EP. The reverse could happen this year..all depends of situation on the day,
@BrotherBear: A very nice boy. Chatted to him briefly at Monnas. My comment was for hopper. Like I said previously my son has been playing against him for years. He is very well respected and a big rugby star in the making. Not sure if he likes the hype about him. Seems like a quiet down to earth type of person. Does anybody know if he will be playing for the Sharks on Saterday?
Thanks @BoishaaiPa, was not sure. So the 2 Grey’s can claim a province each. The usual contenders in the mix, then. Was surprised by SWD result against WP! But a bit more coaching and game time will set them up with the rest.
@Hooit: hehehehe. Hear he is a pleasant chap though. Believe his dad also on the blog.
@BrotherBear: You missed one in KZN. What about JJwood. He should rank above Glenwood??
@BrotherBear: Re the EC…Selborne and Dale falls under Border and Grey High under EP.
Did a quick analysis to determine the representation of top 20 schools in provincial teams, according to latest BHP 1st team rankings (I list them with ranking in descending order coupled to province):
WP – 1, 2, 9, 15, 16
FS – 3
BB – 4, 20
KZN – 5, 17
LION – 6, 13, 14
SWD – 7, 19
Valke – 8
EC – 10, 11, 12 ?
NC – 18
Not considering no of players from each school in teams, it seems as if WP clear favourites in u18 Teams. Lions and EC have next best “spread”. Although it is only a perspective, it does indicate the quality of depth available.
@BoishaaiPa: Ek is darem bly Jy tref onderskeid tussen ‘n WP fan en my, seldom the two meet ?
@BoishaaiPa: WP have to be the firm favorite by a country mile based on their mix and history. I think teams will be fighting NOT to meet them in the ‘final’ and rather send in EP again for that one
Seriously, the Blue Bulls were the pick of the bunch up here so far but we will see on Saturday what the GL vs. Sharks tell us. Free State is also a dark horse at this stage. Going to be exciting down there at one of the most beautiful schools in the country.
@BoishaaiPa: Baie dankie vir die inligting aangaande die o12 week in die Kaapland.
@Quagga: I wish china, I live in JHB now but hopefully going to make the Monday 11th
@Riempies: Daai opskrif is meer n vraag van Beet as iets anders..dis darem nie deur n WP fan of Ploegie geskryf nie!..Net omdat mens nie or n span praat nie, beteken nie mens weet nie van hulle nie!..Die Lions is defnitief op WP se radar…glo my vry!
@Riempies: yes, thanks for the comment on my son. His academics have always been a priority. But then, the Helpmekaar success rate has always been exceptional.
@BoishaaiPa: Wel ek lees nogal al die komentaar op al die verskillende areas. WP- Craven 2016 Champions elect! Dan ook kommentaar daaruit KZN en Bloubull areas. Nog nie een van hulle gesien(mag dalk verkeerd wees) wat n groot bohaai oor die Lions opskop nie. Hoor ook nie van sogenaamde sterre in die spanne nie! So ja! Dan neem ek maar aan dat hulle nie as gunstellinge van enige aard gesien word nie! Net omdat groot gros van hulle uit Monnas, Helpmekaar en Jeppe kom maak hulle nou skielik gunstelling nie?! Of Hoe?
@Riempies: Why do you think the Lions will be surprise package?..The rest of us can see they will be one of the favorites as the team consists mainly of Monnas, Helpies and Jeppe players and all three schools are doing very well this season. I will only be surprised if they do not make the final or loose one of their midweek games.
@BrotherBear: Survived the HD tour with lots of fluid and headache tablets
Nice cold mornings but scenic routes in lovely Tzaneen.
@quagga good luck with the under 12’s. Know your son will make you proud. Hopefully see you all Wednesday evening at Ellispark.
Looking forward to this weekend rugby. I know the boys have trained extremely hard in the training camps the past weekend. They all seem very positive and I believe the Lions is going o be the surprise package of the two CW and AW. Bear congratulation on you son too. I do believe I now know who you are
@BoishaaiPa: and Boland and Border attend the Cape u/12 week.
@Quagga: yes..The WC, SWD and EC have their own u/12 week. Been going for a while now. It use to be in Mosselbay but I think it moved to Riversdale now. Players like Notshe and Jan Serfontein I saw in Mosselbay many years ago.
@Riempies: Looking forward to the games at Loftus this Saturday. What do they call it, Unions Day? Last year we were treated to some good quality rugby in Sasolburg at the same event, hosted by Valke. Heading down to Vryheid first later on this week for the under-12 week. See the WC and SC teams not in attendance there, wonder if they do their own thing at u12 level?
@Greenman: so you and @Grasshopper: and your Sharkie mates gooing a braai for the SBR peeps during the CW / AW down there?
@Greenman, @Riempies: According to newspaper the BB CW playing Sharks and Lions CW playing Griffons. Lions AW playing Sharks AW (but nothing on paper yet).
@Riempies: did you survive the cold on your Harley tour? Hear you guys had some “maninge” fun. ;-)
@Greenman: As far as know. Lions playing Sharks. Do not know times yet.
Good luck to all the KZN boys at Craven Week at Kearsney but especially to the green machine boys; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/2016-annual-provincial-rugby-capping-ceremony
Anybody know of CW/AW games over the weekend at Loftus?