Cricket:
Matches on this weekend:
| Northwood | George Campbell | ||
| Glenwood | 200/6 (50overs) | St Charles | 115 |
| Westville | cancelled | Michaelhouse | |
| DHS | cancelled | Kearsney | |
| College | cancelled | Hilton | |
| Clifton | 303/7 | Sunfoil |
Note that Michaelhouse u16A will play Westville 3rd XI
KZN Coastal teams selected (Inland team still to be announced):
| KZN Coastal u19 team | |||
| # | Name | Surname | School |
| 1 | Senuran | Muthusamy | Clifton |
| 2 | Mogamat Taariq | Booley | DHS |
| 3 | Aatish | Maharaj | DHS |
| 4 | Bongumusa Sibonelo | Makhanya | DHS |
| 5 | Tyler | Trenoweth | DHS |
| 6 | Nhlakanipho | Madwe | Glenwood |
| 7 | Andile | Phelukwayo | Glenwood |
| 8 | James | Lambert | Kearsney |
| 9 | Tyler | Smith | Kearsney |
| 10 | Craig | Kirsten | Kearsney |
| 11 | Kyle | Simmonds | Westville |
| 12 | Ziphozokuthula (Dudu) | Zondo | Westville |
| 13 | Luke | Schlemmer | Westville |
| KZN Coastal u17 team | |||
| # | Name | Surame | School |
| 1 | Ainsley | Ndlovu | DHS |
| 2 | Austin Nathan | Pruthab | DHS |
| 3 | Duran | Moodley | DHS |
| 4 | Callan | Pearce | Glenwood |
| 5 | Tevin | Varatharajalu | Glenwood |
| 6 | Gareth | Wissing | Glenwood |
| 7 | Siswe | Mthembu | Grantleigh |
| 8 | Ryan | Wallace | Kearsney |
| 9 | Tristan | Tedder | Kearsney |
| 10 | Jordan | Gregory | Kearsney |
| 11 | Sereshin | Moodley | Northwood |
| 12 | Mluleki | Vilakazi | Thandolwesizwe |
| 13 | Nicholas | Pentz | Westville |
| KZN Coastal u15 team | |||
| # | Name | Surname | School |
| 1 | Yashil | Soni | DHS |
| 2 | Jason | Gulliver | Glenwood |
| 3 | Mukendi | Ilunga | Glenwood |
| 4 | Mathew | Kirkham | Glenwood |
| 5 | Okuhle | Cele | Glenwood |
| 6 | Tristan | Dixon | Kearsney |
| 7 | Ross | Koekemoer | Kearsney |
| 8 | James | Tedder | Kearsney |
| 9 | Kameeran | Naicker | Kloof |
| 10 | Yetish | Ramsurrup | Northwood |
| 11 | Junaid | Syed | Northwood |
| 12 | Ryan | Colman | Westville |
| 13 | Tyron | Koen | Westville |
Waterpolo:
The annual Top 10 Schools tournament for u19, u15 and u14 is on from 10-12 October.
Results from the u19 tournament:
| Pool A | Pool B | ||
| Clifton | DHS | ||
| Glenwood | Hilton | ||
| Kearsney | Maritzburg College | ||
| Michaelhouse | Northwood | ||
| Westville | Thomas More | ||
| Friday: | |||
| Clifton | 9 | Glenwood | 0 |
| Maritzburg College | 3 | Thomas More | 5 |
| Michaelhouse | 4 | Kearsney | 6 |
| Hilton | 4 | DHS | 0 |
| Westville | 5 | Glenwood | 2 |
| Northwood | 4 | Thomas More | 11 |
| Clifton | 6 | Kearsney | 1 |
| Maritzburg College | 11 | DHS | 5 |
| Michaelhouse | 4 | Westville | 7 |
| Saturday: | |||
| Clifton | 10 | Westville | 1 |
| Hilton | 12 | Northwood | 4 |
| Glenwood | 5 | Kearsney | 4 |
| Thomas More | 6 | DHS | 3 |
| Maritzburg College | 10 | Northwood | 6 |
| Glenwood | 8 | Michaelhouse | 6 |
| Westville | 4 | Kearsney | 6 |
| Hilton | 4 | Thomas More | 4 |
| Northwood | 3 | DHS | 7 |
| Clifton | 9 | Michaelhouse | 5 |
| Maritzburg College | 8 | Hilton | 3 |
| 3rd Pool A: DHS | 7 | 4th Pool B: Westville | 5 |
| 3rd Pool B: Hilton | 9 (3) | 4th Pool A: Glenwood | 9 (2) |
| 9th: Michaelhouse | 12 | 10th: Northwood | 4 |
| 7th: Glenwood | 6 | 8th: Westville | 4 |
| 5th: Hilton | 8 | 6th: DHS | 7 |
| Sunday: | |||
| Semifinal 1: Kearsney | 3 | Thomas More | 2 |
| Semifinal 2: Clifton | 8 | Maritzburg College | 2 |
| 3rd: Maritzburg College | 11 | 4th: Thomas More | 5 |
| Winners : Clifton | 4 | 2nd: Kearsney | 0 |
u15 Final: Northwood 2 Clifton 1
u14 Final: Clifton 10 DHS 3
@ Cyndi – Glad to be of service.
@Greenwood:
It was an amazing and inpiring event – my hat’s off to Mr Meyer for congratulating each boy by name.
At the rest of you … I certainly would love to stand around a braai fire and laugh at your debates and discussions, especially those of you who are less informed – thanks for starting my week on a good giggle. :grin:
@star:
true but they lost one of their better players in ross koekemoer.
their form has dipped in the last few months though, not sure why. im still surprised that none of them got the nod for kzn
@ Horsy- in that win last year the boy and extras scored 75% of the runs so that could also have gone either way.DHS(U15A) have a very competant side.
@ Gungets- I really enjoyed watching the games. I think it was a Westville and College man that really put up their hands and paved the way for ultimate success. I have to be nice about the College rep as he is going out with my niece.It was also nice to see 2 WOBs on the stage in the final presentation.
And in other news – South Africa win the Hong Kong 6’s – http://www.cricket.com.hk/db/ARCHIVE/2012-13/OTHERS/HKG_LOCAL/HKSIXES2012.html
@Griffon:
yah but dont be surprised if they are on gym programmes given by their academy coaches. i know Glenwood does that with alot of ther a team players gyming early in the morning AND after school
@ Horsy : Yeah, I think the boys do gym, during their P.E/Sports period with some of the coaches supervising. I think the main focus put on them, is form and technique rather than lifting heavy, which is good. Some boys also do extra gym outside of school. @ Star: True, I think the coaches should be confirmed this week or next week, if not their won’t be much time for pre-season. I think the main focus on pre-season should be skills and new techniques, rather than fitness.
@star:
and DHS has moved up two places without having played a game
pretty sad that dhs and westville didnt get a chance to play this term.
as for your son, im thinking hes U15A? i see alot of these results have been close with them all being draws except for one last year. the one this year ended as
dhs 173 all out
wbhs 131/7.
could have gone either way.
as for preseason, im sure your boys are already hitting the gym even without a coach.
@ Griffon- I think they also need to confirm the coaching structures.Preseason cannot start until that is sorted.
@ Star: Yes well done to the Touch boys, all of them are still going to be at Westville next year. Just also wondering when preseason for the u16 squad for next year will start. Maybe after their exams, which I think end this week.
Slightly off topic but well done to Westville for winning the KZN touch rugby league.Also Westville cricket after being rated as the No 1 in the country have slipped down to 2 without playing a game. Damn this weather.At least my son can say he is still undefeated against College and DHS after 2 years of high school cricket. Just pulling Gungets and Horsie
@NW_Knight:
U14B or U15B? and also i dont agree with the prediction. after all, the team only lost 3-1 at this years tourno. this DHS team has somehow improved considerably between the last year and now. i clearly remeber them losing 10-1 to Northwood last year.
and also can i ask you what was the score vs clifton when you played normal match AT clifton??
i think DHS by 4!!
GO HORSEFLIES!!!!
@Horsey: Consistency is the key. NW U15 doesn’t lose very often and are getting better all the time. Finals at Top 10 are considerably more difficult than playing a normal match – in fact, finals in any sport are approached in an entirely different manner to normal matches.
NW by 3 at least. Hope DHS have some B teams to give NW guys a game. U14B are unbeaten for a long, long time and need some opposition (the only blemish on their winning record is a draw to DHS at the beginning of the year – a game they should have won easily)
@NW_Knight:
why so? its obvious that we should have been in that final against Northwood. i mean beating Clifton 5-2 is no easy feat. i think Northwood juuuust pulled a 2-1 victory.
but if they did beat NW, it would make them the best u15 side in kzn wouldnt it?
You’re getting ahead of yourself Horsie. Not really much chance of DHS U15 beating Northwood.
Well done to the DHS U15A water polo team for beating Clifton5-2 yesterday.
This means that they have recnetly beaten the 3rd ranket team from top 10 which was Kearsney by 10-2 and now beat the 2nd ranked side which is Clifton by 5-2 showing how strong this team actually is! Bring on Northwood next week!!!!
grasshopper
and who would that uncle be ??
@Greenwood, well we lived on the Bluff and I went to Brighton Beach. Any decent sportsman or academic on the Bluff goes to Glenwood. All of my sporting buddies were. My dad took me to DHS, Glenwood and Kearsney in standard 5 to check them out. I was accepted at all 3, but I chose Glenwood because I could be a day boy, my mates were going there, my uncle was one of Glenwood’s best rugga players, I didn’t want to go where my dad went and I felt it had the right mix of kids for me. I didn’t like the idea of mixing with rich kids only at Kearsney, I wanted to see the real world. Lastly, DHS at the time would have been two buses home instead of one so that is how I ended up there……also my dad would have had to have got another job to send me to Kearsney at they only offered a 33% bursary…
Grasshopper – how did you end up at Glenwood if you dad was a Horsie ?
All other cricket fixtures were cancelled while the U14A polo game was also cancelled due to both sides being at Grey and the U15A side(DHS) had most of its players at some gala hence that being also cancelled.
But then again our U14A side did beat Glenwood by 100 runs earlier in the year so i guess its even stevens.
Does seem to me that dhs through the game away though! Should have never lost after taking Glenwood out like that!
But hey, the boys will learn
Hopper – hope you got this email this morning and that it brightend up your Monday as much as it did mine:
CRICKET vs DHS:
14A
Glenwood: 126 all out (Grobbellar: 50)
DHS: 100 all out (Deyzel: 4 for 19)
Result: Glenwood won by 26 runs
14B
DHS: 88 for 7
Glenwood: 91 for 1 (Murugan: 52*)
Result: Glenwood won by 9 wickets
14C
DHS: 144 all out (Shabalala: 3 for 12)
Glenwood: 150 for 9 (Shelton: 55)
Result: Glenwood won by 1 wicket
14D
DHS: 120 all out (Chaperon: 3 for 17; Shabella: 3 for 21)
Glenwood: 121 for 2 (Uswald: 53*; Shabella: 38*)
Result: Glenwood won by 8 wickets
14E
DHS: 98 for 8 (Rahim: 3 for 10; Marsh: 3 for 11)
Glenwood: 101 for 2 (Van Tooren: 26*)
Result: Glenwood won by 8 wickets
WATERPOLO vs DHS:
14B: Won 7-4
15B: Won 10-1
2nd: Won 6-4
1st: Won 15-4
GO GREEN!!!
@Horsie, you know I’m pulling your leg mate. My dad is personally involved with helping DHS improve, his money is helping pay for the improved facilities, bursaries and Mike Fennel’s salary. It’s a great family debate we have, dad and uncle went to DHS and me and other uncle to Glenwood. The schools are very similar hence the great rivalry. DHS let their foot off the accelerator a while back but it’s back on it now. However, it’s not going to be easy with the massive competition between schools…..sincerely good luck especially against any other school than Glenwood. I would definitely support DHS vs Westville….
@Horsey: I was at that game mate. I was sitting in the Ivan Clark Paviliion so only really saw half of the match…..
“DHS had plenty chances to score tries but never did while Glenwood scored in all 3 or 4 clear cut opportunities they had in the game.” What is your point with this?? Would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, didn’t?
@Grasshopper:
Yes but your last statement is incorrect. I juss think DHS isnt as bad as you try to make it out to be.
Horsie, let’s just agree to disagree on most things as this back and forth is becoming a bit childish. You think DHS is the best and I think Glenwood is, perfectly OK….
Horsie, I watched the game on TV, seemed Glenwood were in 3rd gear the whole game and it was a bit of a walk in the park really. Yes, the DHS boys were bigger but jeez they were slow and unfit. The lock was about 130kg of cumbersome lard, could not be lifted more than a ruler off the ground. Anyway, I’m sure you and your lightie are aiming to beat Glenwood in 2016 with the DHS dream team……good luck with that, it will make my Dad smile for a change on the derby day….
@Grasshopper:
there were plenty mate. wish the old R365 was still around to show you proof. and you clearly werent there when they played DHS were you?
DHS had plenty chances to score tries but never did while Glenwood scored in all 3 or 4 clear cut opportunities they had in the game. never mind Warren shooting for goal every time they got into our half.
what is it now , forever since a glenwood basketball win? dont be one eyed!!
in the past 3 years glenwood havent put us to the sword like how you would like to think but their individuals have been the difference
No excuses Horsie, the 2012 side just did not play to their potential and never gelled. Maybe only once against Queens. Even not playing well they still managed to beat DHS quite easily….what is it now, about 6 years since a DHS win?
@Grasshopper:
Its amazing how you speak about never making excuses. When Glenwood werent firing like how you had foreseen you came up with all kinds of excuses which we were stupid enough to listen and respond to.
So dont tell me about excuses.
Just of topic, have most of your 1st’s started their pre-season training.
@GreenBlooded:
Which part of Glenwood trying to buy everyone with the slightest bit of talent from their oldest rivals indicates shortcomings by DHS???? Its amazing how everybody acts like DHS has gone down the sewer just because we arent what we used to be at Rugga,Polo and swimming!
@Horsie, I never once used the word ‘mighty’ so you have an inferiority complex boet. Let’s just leave it as DHS and Glenwood are like Liverpool and Man U, will never agree or see to eye to eye. I hope a healthy rivalry exists going forward and we are glad DHS are getting stronger, it was getting boring winning so easily. It’s healthy for Durban sport for there to be more competition. It’s funny that a DHS Old Boy is the reason for Glenwood’s recent success and it’s happened the other way around too. With regards to poaching teaches and coaches, Clifton did that with Gerry Goedeke but hey he couldn’t decline a huge increase. Let’s just face it that movement will happen and mostly for financial reasons, times are tough and every cent counts..
PS: I did play against DHS in 1996 with 5 key players missing, we lost fair and square, never made excuses…
Horsey, if you think GW are to blame for DHS’s shortcommings you are sticking your head in the sand mate. The rest of your post just sounds like piss poor excuses from a sore loser. At Glenwood we lose with dignity.
@Grasshopper:
Try playing a polo game with a whole startin line up missing mate! Mighty difficult! The whole Westville thing was juss one player and look what even that caused! No GW vs WBHS game!also, these boys you speak of all chose DHS ahead of your mighty Glenwood! I can give you names of boys who were offered scholarships at glenwood! None decided to leave on their own! The last time a. DHS boy left on his own to GW was Wade Elliot and that was because of not getting enough playing opportunities for the 1st cricket side!
In the past year there have been at least 3 Glenwood boys who left for DHS simply because they didnt like Glenwood and their massive focus on rugby. And NO they were not of Asian descent!! One of them was and still is a very,very good cricketer!
So try again that was a low blow!!
@GreenBlooded:
Im not.but then again its not the same! I know a kid whos At glenwood now and got a 100% scholarship there . Hes not even in the a rugby side there mate!!
That means he wont even be able to go to kzn trials because of GW.
@Horsie, so do you agree Westville’s win over Glenwood in the rugga was hollow too because our main player was asked not to play? We can’t help DHS were depleted, are we supposed to say no poor DHS we must play our 2nd’s against them….no chance! Lastly, I think you will find over the last decade that because of DHS’s displinary and performance decline that many of the top boys look elsewhere. Therefore what looked like poaching was actually a movement by choice. When I was last at DHS with my Dad we were both dissapointed in the state of the grounds and the behaviour of the boys, not one stood up and said good day sir. That does not happen at Glenwood, every boy gets up and greets guests….no that might have changed in the last year since we were there….not sure…
Horsey – you can’t take the moral high ground if you are doing the same thing to a lesser extent. It’s kinda like saying I’m better than you cos I murdered 5 people and you murdered 10.
@Grasshopper:
Buddy the amount of boys who are at Glenwood from at DHS and boys at DHS whove been offered is like 3 times the amount the other way around. Anyways,i didnt say it was just GW who did this but that they did it more than DHS.
And, missing 7 1st team players is not an excuse, its fact. Thats a whole starting team.one of them is a very key member and was injured badly by one of the Doops in the previous game.
Those polo games are not a true reflection of the teams. And you know it.
Hollow victories indeed!
Well done to your U14A side, im sure they had a lot to prove and were the hungrier side after losing by 100 runs to the DHS team in the 1st term.
@Horsie, you would say that because you only know of Glenwood offers to DHS kids. There is plenty the other way around and I know of 3 personally. I see of the cricket games played Glenwood won them all, including Under14a. We won all the polo played too; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/vs%20DHS%2020%20Oct.pdf
Sounds like excuses to me boet, you can only play what is in front of you. Dissapointed that Andrew ‘Horse’ Stewart made excuses too, he never used too when he played. Always great to beat the old enemy from the other side of the road…Go Green!
@Grasshopper:
Yah. That’s all gone now. But I blame the two schools (mostlyGW)for offering scholarships to boys of these schools.
Boys wouldn’t. Leave if they weren’t offered these.only 2 that still. Don’t take from each other are DHS and College.
Otherwise its. Open seasonn. For everyone.
Sad really!
RE polo results.
Yah. A lot of factors went into that.
1st side-missing 7 players.
2nd-missing a few who had to play 1sts.
U15a- was there no game??
U14b- missed 6 starting players!
Also, Glenwood had their matrics. Victories look good but are quite hollow considering the above.
@Horsie, here is the polo game write up for you: http://www.hssm.co.za/news/water-polo/kwazulu-natal/durban/2012/glenwood-water-polo-fires-dhs
It seems loyalty is no longer part of kids vocabulary because in my day no kid from Glenwood would go to DHS and vice versa. It was the ultimate treachery. No way you could go from a green blazer with Nihil Humani Alienum to a navy one with Deo Fretus. I think in my 5 years at Glenwood 2 boys went to DHS (Travis and Dane Logie) and 2 came to Glenwood (Simon Buckingham and another). It seems these days it happens alot more. I can tell you no 100% bursary or anything would make me move to DHS and leave all my friends. With my dad being a DHS Old Boy is would be giving in too….Glenwood was my choice after being offered bursaries there, at DHS and at Westville…
@Gungets Tuft:
Nah thats all false. One of the better U15 players whom he tried to lure is even playing for the 1st side now.
And if DHS have lost those players then they must only be leaving at year end because at the moment they are all still at School.
He was only there for 2 years do he hadnt made much of an impact at DHS. If he left after like 5 or 6 years then more boys would have left with him.
@Gungets Tuft:
Nah thats all false. One of the better U15 players whom he tried to lure is even playing for the 1st side now.
And if DHS have lost those players then they must only be leaving at year end because at the moment they are all still at School
Hey – who cares if it’s defective. A good Glenwood poaching story is always sure to liven things up.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Hmm. I am told that DHS have lost 2 players at least. Defective sources then.
@Gungets Tuft:
And those boys all declined to go.lol. He actually ‘invited’ alomst all our u15A players. They simply said no. He even tried to lure one of the boys who had left Glenwood 2 years ago. A failed attempt though.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: re: the cricket coach going to Glenwood – I am told that a few players have been “invited” to go with him, might have caused a little bit of an atmosphere ….?
@GreenBlooded:
Hes. Changed your polo quite a bit.
Your. U14s are now 4th in KZN, U15s 5th and your 1sts 5th IMO
@Gungets Tuft:
Yeh the DHS 1stXI coach moved to Glenwood where he was offered a higher position of MiC of cricket. I dont feel that he did much for DHS cricket as a coach though.
Didnt really disrupt the team as their old coach simply slotted in the position.
In the past year or so the public schools have started realising the importance of great coaching and have pressed what is almost a panic button to get good coaches. And nobody is innocent here!! :grin:
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Yep – I said so somewhere, also said earlier on this thread that Glenwood will not know themselves with La Marque …
Apparently the same is going to happen to Glenwood U16 cricket … or so my friends at DHS tell me??
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Glenwood have certainly gained!!
@Gungets Tuft:
I think College has really missed la Marque.
College vs Michaelhouse
1st College won 12-10
15A House won 9-3
14A House won 10-4
Well done to KZN teams at Grey U14 tourno.
Clifton places 1st overall
DHS 6th overall
Glenwood 10th
Westville 19th
Northwood 20th out of 20.
Clifton just showing that they are the best in SA beating Reddam 5-2 in the final! If DHS are going to catch up to this team then they are going to work much harder and get extra extra fit.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Hahhhaaa .. yes, like giving a speech at the wrong wedding though ..
@Gungets Tuft:
Big speech though!
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Damn .. don’t I feel silly then. Only one way to feel more silly in fact is that at least I picked it up first …
@Gungets Tuft:
it was all polo mate. And it helps to scrap U16 since many schools dont have this age group.
:razz:
Lol. If it were rugby i would have also agreed.
Again,lol
@Gungets Tuft: I think he’s talking polo mate. If rugger then I second your concerns.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Orrrrrr – please tell me I read it wrong and this is all waterpolo.
@NW_Knight: NW_Knight – you have seriously decided to scrap U16??!!??
Bru – that is the worst decision that I have heard of in a long, long time. What you are sacrificing is the next 3 years of your rugby development for some instant gratification. Next years U15’s have nothing to look forward to because they might not be the big boys that you have this year. You are going to hurt them, plain and simple.
If I was an U15 now at Northwood I would be looking to leave, go to some school that regards stepping through the age groups as the essential development of my skills. That they get overlooked for U16 representative honours is all on top of that.
Finally – you have just managed to get fixtures back against schools like College and you are going to tell them that their entire U16 age group – 6 or 7 teams, will have to farm for alternative fixtures on that day. That puts you on a par with the Ixopo’s, Greytown’s and Wartburgs. Good luck with that.
My guess – your U15’s lose heart, your U16’s get murdered and your 1sts are still average because you are going to get monstered by the real Open boys. I hope not, but I fear the worst. If I was a Sports Director at any of DHS, Glenwood, Westville or College I would be re-evaluating the annual fixture.
@Grasshopper:
Maybe you wouldnt talk as much if i told you that DHS had 7 of its regular players unavailable! Thats a whole starting squad! But,well done.
Also, i did mention the whole thing about thekzn top 10 not showing true strength,thats why the local fixture are there.
This was shown by DHS U15A beating Kearsney 10-1 who had come 3rd while DHS were 5th.
@Gungets Tuft: @NW_Knight:
I see, but i just think Clifton will once again rule the pool at U14 level. The Clifton Prep side had 8 boys being chosen for KZN polo, i presume they are all going to clifton plus a couple of DPHS boys.
But hey, a lot of boys can be taughht polo in hhigh school and blossom. 2 U14 players at DHS started this year and were chosen for KZN. Another is in grade 10 and also started in grade 8 where he made kzn u14b, in grade 9 made u15a non travelling and this year is in the starting 7 for kzn u16A.
Also, well done to Clifton and DHS at U14 tourno at Grey, DHS lost to Clifton in QF(6-3) whilst Clifton have made it all the way and will now play Reddam(who beat DHS 8-5) in the final. Glenwood doing ok while Northwood and Westville are kinda the whipping boys at the moment
@Horsey: This is the first time that NW has decided to scrap U16 and have more depth in the open sides. When you look at the strong players in the current 1st side (excluding the GR12 boys) and you add in the strong U15 boys, you have a good 1st side – top 4 at least.
The NW U14’s for next year are stronger than NW have ever had and will have a good coach.
I think next year will be a good one for NW all round
@HORSEFLY NO.1, @NW_Knight: I think you might both be confusing hope and reality. NW_Knight hopes that their teams will be strong, Horsie hopes not. I too have a soul full of hope …. :neutral:
Go Sharks!!!
Glenwood 1st waterpolo dispatch DHS 15-4 at DHS! Just shows the Top 10 tourno did not reflect true strength of the sides…Go Green!
@NW_Knight:
What makes you say this? Especially for 1st side? The Northwood team has been average this year and if you think the U15s are going to change their whole fortunes around. Then you in for a surprise. Theres no question that theyre talented but i thinj you should give them till grade 11 to blossom and stand out
NW looking very good at U14 and 1st / 2nd for next season – expecting a top 4 placing from both teams at next years top 10.
Since this is a cricket and water polo post, i’d like to congratulate the DHS U15A water polo side for beating the Kearsney side which got 3rd place at KZN top 10 by 10-1. Just shows how unlucky this team was not to make it to the SF and maybe even Final. Theres definitely something wrong with the way the tourno has been organised if the 5th placed side beats the the 3rd best side easily by 10-1.
They will be playing the two finalists within the next two week or so and will try to beat the best two U15 sides.
DHS U14A also won byy 3-2 where im told they never went off the 1st gear. 1sts and 2nds both lost.
FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT
Jees Guys ! We all have common interests here We all must have enjoyed our time at our schools and we keep in touch with our alma matas by mostly following rugby matches and other sports – yep ! there are better and richer schools than Glenwood but lets not go the way it went on 365 where “lets slag our opposition schools” reigned and threads were removed
@Oldschool, I agree with you boet, that is the funny thing. I am on your side, I love schoolboy because it’s rugby in it’s purist form. Unfortunately it’s becoming too professional now. Yes, Kearsney have done well considering their numbers, the same can be said about the other privates. However, they do attract the best so will always put out very competitive if not winning 1st sides. Kearsney in 2013 are the ones to beat in KZN with Westville. Kearsney did very well to beat Glenwood at Glenwood this year and end about a 5 year losing streak (also end a winning streak on Dixons). That said, the losses have been close. Glenwood vs Kearsney at Kearsney in 2013 will be a humdinger! Sad to see Glenwood will not be playing Westville due to handbags between the headmasters. Grow up girls and come to a compromise. Agreed passion can be a little obsessive, so will try to tune it down a bit….apologies
@Grasshopper: as mentioned …passion is great …obsession is just creepy !!
any way , im also on the blog so have a few fingures pointing back at me too !!
Where we differ though is i am a huge believer in all the great educational benefits SBR offers boys , especially for those fortunate enough to play top tier SBR….for me watching KC boys battle it out against the big schools like GW, Ville and college and witness the boys front up and be counted , sometimes winning , often losing but always in with a shout …..means more to me than the score board result , the last 2 years playing against Gwood have been great examples of this …in 2011 , after a great physical battle , Gwood scored a great try in the last 2 mins to seal victory (that great no 2 of yours scored after a great attack up the middle) fast forward to 2012 at the hood ….very similar game but KC winning in the dying minutes …(prop try !!!)…school boy rugby at its best !!!
@Oldschool, see you at the Kearsney festival and I can show you how boring we are over a Hansa…:-). Same for Beet and all the other bloggers, happy to meet in the beer tent and laugh about the blog…
@Oldschool, pot calling kettle black again. Do you follow Kearsney on twitter, it’s a daily update on how great the school is. Only school worse than it is KES, they tell us about their latest SA rep for tiddly winks. Glenwood barely use their twitter account because they don’t need to. I hope that changes though as it’s a great free way to promote ones school. Wake up and stop shooting down bloggers for being passionate about their alma mater….
Geez some of you guys must be very boring around a braai !!!
The Gwood okes seem to have to defend themselves on every thread , if was a new potentiol parent chosing a school off this site , Gwood would be at the bottom of the pile due to the continuos relentless boasting and stats pasting by the Gwood fellas …..passion for your school is one thing but geez guys you seem to be obsessed….maybe try golf , surfing , gym , porn or any other thing outside of boasting about the green machine and roasting all of us lesser schools !!!
@GreenBlooded: Absolutely. He was so upset when he could not play against Glenwood in the last game of the season. He picked up an infection on the Friday night and had to pull out on the Saturday morning on doctors orders. Great kid.
@All Black: The one that stands out for me there is the prize for Courage and Tenacity in Sport. It is truly inspiring what that young man has achieved and what he has overcome.
Sport and Cultural awards College:
SPORT AND CULTURE PRIZE WINNERS 2012SPORT 2012
INDIVIDUAL CULTURAL TROPHIES
Robertson Trophy for Outstanding Service to the Audio-Visual Society: L Njoko
Douglas Comrie Memorial Trophy for Outstanding Contribution to the Choir : ENM Majola
Mc Gibbon Trophy for Best Stage Actor: J Parker
Roger Heslop Memorial Trophy for Overall Contribution to Drama: PDE de Klerk
Usher Cup for Outstanding Work in Creative Movement: S Gidigidi
Parklane Super Spar Trophy for the Most Promising Musician: N Nyker
Conor Michael Larkin Memorial Plate for the Most Improved Musi-cian: GD Enoch
Christopher Duigan Trophy for Excellence in Music Performance: J Filaferro
The Music Revival Trophy for Contribution to Music : J Filaferro
Graham Holder Trophy for Best Debater: AVZ Coetzee
Calder Trophy for Public Speaking: ML Swanepoel
Dustin Stevens Trophy for Best Public Speaker: SC Henderson
Maritzburg College Speakers’ Circle Trophy for the Most Improved Speaker: MD Piper
The Armstrong Trophy for Best Prepared Speech: R Langley
Azalea Rotary Club Book Award for the display of qualities pertinent to the Rotary Four Way Test: WM Miya
The Kean Hemingway Memorial Trophy for Emerging Leadership and Peer Fellowship: RC Trodd
Graham Holder Trophy for the Best Overall Contribution to Culture at College: ENM Majola
INDIVIDUAL SPORT TROPHIES
Hayden St John Ward Memorial Trophy for Top Achiever in a Non-Official School Sport: K Van Romburgh
Ian Rogers Trophy for the Most Competent Rugby referee: M Lötter
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Most Promising Shottist: JJ Oberholzer and TA Baker
Frank Lambert Cup for the Best Overall Shottist: B Dreyer
Shaun Olley Cup for the Most Consistent Shottist: Y Mahomed
MacLean Trophy for Best Shottist in the Standing Position: W Gunter
Johnstone Trophy for Strokeplay Champion in Golf: MM Mitchell
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Most Improved Golfer: R Swanepoel
Roy Foster Memorial Trophy for the Most Improved Water Polo Play-er in Form Five: S Johnston
Matt Kemp Trophy for the Most Improved Water Polo Goalkeeper: FL Lane
Sean Burgoyne Fellowship Trophy for Water Polo: EJ Pieterse
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Most Committed Water Polo Player:
GM Burgoyne
Justin Joubert Trophy for the Most Valuable Water Polo Player: TJ Rattray
Lance Dobeyn Trophy for the Junior Champion Canoeist: DE Smith
Maritzburg College Trophy for the Most Promising Canoeist: T Wilson
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Highest Placed Junior in the Dusi Canoe Marathon: MC Haw & JE Speed
Lance Dobeyn Trophy for the Senior Champion Canoeist: DJ Wewege
Greenhalgh Cup for the Most Valuable Basketball Player: MB Zuma
Oscar Servant Trophy for the most Improved Basketball Player in the 1st Team: BC Jasson
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Most Committed Tennis Player in the 1st Team: SM Barnsley
Lucinda Lang Trophy for Junior Singles Tennis Champion: N Manchev
Grant Morrison Trophy for the Most Improved Tennis Player: JD Roper
Derek Howard Trophy for Senior Singles Tennis Champion: S Jaganyi
Oscar Servant Trophy for the Most Committed Player in the 1st Soccer XI: SM Mathupha
Reece Tifflin Trophy for 1st XI Soccer Player of the Year: TR Molefe
The Aidan Nugent Trophy for the Under 14 Squash Champion: A van Heeswijk
Maritzburg College Trophy for the Under 16 Squash Champion: S Wormington
Smythe Trophy for the Most Improved Squash Player: CR Chetty
Oscar Servant Trophy for Senior Squash Champion: DCL Smith
Natal Witness/Maritzburg Old Boys’ Cricket Club Trophy for the most Improved Player in the 1st Cricket XI: LM Zuma
Oscar Servant Trophy for Best All Round Cricketer in the 1st XI: DM Dupavillon
Leon Haarhoff Memorial Trophy for the most Promising Junior Cross Country Athlete: MT Khanyile
Ryan Clive-Smith Trophy for Highest Placed Senior in the Midlands Cross Country League: JE Speed & J Wewege
Shrives Trophy for the Most Committed Player in the 1st Hockey XI: L Mafilika
Oscar Servant Trophy for Fellowship in Hockey: PA Smerdon
Dieter Schlosser Memorial Trophy for the most Improved Player in the 1st Hockey XI: TMG Kok
Carr Trophy for Player of the Year in the 1st Hockey XI: T Guise-Brown
Skonk Nicholson Pin for the Most Improved Player in the 1st Rugby XV: CI Christie
Skonk Nicholson Trophy for the most Committed Player in the 1st Rugby XV: RB Smith
Olivier Trophy for the Player of the Year in the 1st Rugby XV: JA Kriel
Wayne Lofthouse Memorial Prize for Courage and Tenacity in Sport: JK Rencken
The Olivier Trophy for Sport and Culture: ML Mthiyane
WELL DONE TO ALL THESE BOYS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR!
@ All-Come on guys. All the schools have amazing programs.We must however acknowledge when a school raises the bar( as the Kearsney choir did by winning gold recently). It does not make us,our schools or our experience any less.In fact it should act as a motivation to keep pushing the limits and not become complacent.Someone mentioned that College was on the decline.I would rather say that the other schools are starting to catch up.College’s response was to have probably their best year ever in academics and to have a more than successful year in soccer( not a traditional strengh). Believe or not guys but competition is actually healthy.
@Rugger fan: Pat Lambie was at Clifton Durban though, so slightly different :razz:
@Rugger fan:
Yeah but i dont think Clifton notthingham road even has a high school anyways bud. But yeah i guess in a way similar to Pat. Watch out for that MHS U14A side of 2013 mate, i expect big things from them next year
@Horsie, don’t get clever. You showing your true colours now….
Going back to Clifton (sorry for dredging and coming in late
) – but Clifton Nottingham Road got one boy in the KZN U13 CW side – Thomas Price – but he was duely taken by MHS. I guess similar to Pat Lambie.
@Grasshopper:
Thats cute
@Greenblooded, spot on mate. Steve Stead was the first to come to mind, Executive Director of Kickstart Theatre Productions; http://www.kickstart-theatre.co.za/about.html
Damon Beard, DJ at East Coast Radio and Sias Du Plessis, 5FM DJ to name another two. I can do some more research but not bothered really. Glenwood have plenty to be proud of all around..
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Whatever twists your koeksister mate – I’m not going to get into a “mine is better than yours” debate with you. Hopper loves his research – maybe he has the energy to open the books and do a comparison. He may mention the names of Old Boys who have made it in the cultural sphere – Steven Stead / Damon Beard are 2 that spring to mind. I couldn’t be bothered. I’m quite happy with what Glenwood gave me alround and continues to do today.
@Grasshopper:
OK. you win
@Horsie, you getting a little desperate now boet. Glenwood have always had a good cultural programme. Our debaters are always up there and our speech and drama is good, with plays and actors in many productions. Some of the best Durban actors are Glenwood Old Boys. Just because DHS has focussed on that and let core sports go down the drain is not our fault…
@GreenBlooded:
OMW. Go look at the Kearsney and DHS cultural programs then speak mate. Kinda pathetic
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Glenwood’s vast array of cultural activities can be viewed here: http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/cultural
Try again mate – that one sucks.
@Grasshopper:
Come back and talk when you actually do things like drama, music etc… Till then lets leave it at pretenders!
@Grasshopper: Always has been mate. Just getting better with age! :grin: :grin:
@Greenwood, yep brilliant stuff that and it proves Glenwood is not just about rugby like many think. The sports awards are listed here; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Glenwood%20KZN%20and%20SA%20Representitives%202012(2).pdf
Also, with Glenwood’s academics improving annually it’s becoming a very very good allround educational institution :-)
The topics here have drifted into the “Sport life Outside SBR ” posts
This morning I attended the handing out of achievement certificates to guys at at Glenwood who have made District and KZN teams -in all about 250 were handed out – this was part of 10am assembly –
amazing to hear of so many boys taking part in so many activities not necessarily sport stuff either , like chess and music etc – so weird to sit with other parents and being surrounded by 1200 schoolboys – place was packed out – a most unsusual but enjoyable morning
Yep, my Dad tells me the DHS scouts are going as far as the Free State and even Namibia and Zimbabwe! He wants his money spent of facilities not on bursaries, not sure if the DHS powers that be can guarantee that…
@Grasshopper:
Lets make that 2016 shall we?? Yah but the thhing is we arent really ‘recruiting’ from kzn schools, mostly from other parts of the country if we want a kid already in high school.
@Horsie, so do I the other way around. DHS is fishing everywhere in their desparation to achieve in 2015…..pot calling kettle black comes to mind ;-)
@Grasshopper:
buddy, ive got all the info to back my statements up!
and you cant count glenwood prep as its grade 7 level
@Griffon: Top coaches earn that and more. No way are you paying a S15 player R1 million and the coach any less. And then they get bonuses on top of that. Grant Bashford was coach of Northwood 1sts before he left for Kings Park and Sharks assistant, Sean Everitt coached DPHS, so school coaching is definitely a stepping stone. As for Hilton – dunno, perhaps the oke is not getting the bar that has been spoken about, but most Hilton parents are not exactly struggling and sometimes pride has a price … ??
@ Gungets : How do you pay a coach a million rand a year. Yes he’s got high credentials, but that’s to much. Surely professional coaches might not be earning that, and this is just schoolboy rugby. Yes Hilton may have improved this year, but they generally have 3 or 4 good players, whose rugby with all due respect may go down in standards. In my honest opinion Hilton still has a lot of rebuilding in their rugby and sport in general
@Horsie, exactly like some of your claims about Glenwood offering kids at DHS scholarships etc too…blown out of proportion. How do you know that the kid might have got in touch with Glenwood and said they will move if they offer them something better than they are getting at DHS. Maybe other schools too. Westville ‘attract’ the most DHS and DPHS kids so maybe look there instead. Let’s just say making claims on blogs like this stoke the fire. I’m sure DHS sniff around Glenwood sportsman too and they openly do it at Glenwood Prep…
@Griffon: I can’t speak for the others, just for the ones I know, and they are passionate about what they do. Spend 10 minutes with Graeme Waters and see how passionate he is about College (but he was exactly the same when at Northwood), about sport as a method of learning, and about mentoring young men. Frankly, with the pressure brought to bear by Old Boys, vicarious parents, testosterone overdosed young men and an education department that could give a rats arse about schools, there has to be an easier way to earn money than coaching boys. I don’t think everyone (anyone!!!) is in the Hilton league of paying coaches, and lets face it – how much is R1 million a year .. really, considering the longevity of coaching. Naa, I think they are in it for the joy of it first, then perhaps the money. The only other motivation I can think of is that it is a career stepping stone – check how many top coaches have started off as schoolmasters and coaches.
@Griffon:
Surely some will go for the money but alotof them as you might have noticed are just going back to their former schools to help out and hopefully make a difference!
But then again many of these pay cheque amounts have been blown out of proportion.
What is for sure is that all schools are getting these coaches or in our case CEO who will do something for the school
@ Gungets: Just something I wonder is that with the amount of pressure put on sport, are some high class coaches going to the certain schools for the pay cheque. Yes they’re good coaches but how many of them being there are seeing potential and elevating it, and are passionate about it
@Grasshopper:
Nah i mean 2 DHS swimmers in one year plus another whos 2nd in SA and has declined your ‘offer’
#goodforhim!
@Gungets Tuft:
Haha thats exactly what i mean!!!
@Gungets, nice one boet ;-). Glenwood actually ‘acquires’ students via bursaries and scholarships just like the rest do. When Horsie says buying swimmers, I think he is referring to a couple of kids from Zimbabwe and those at grade 8 level…
@Gungets Tuft: ………and Northwood ‘recruits’.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Don’t you mean Glenwood are attracting swimmers from left, right and centre. Private schools buy, Glenwood attracts and the rest suck …
@star:
Brad Rowe, Clifton coach , former DHS coach and Westville old boy! Hmmm… Would be interesting to see what he does for WBHS.
Would be like Alan Burt, coached at Clifton till last year and this year returned to his former school DHS.
I do see that a lot of schools are putting some focus in their water polo though, good stuff, dont want Clifton running too far away!
Also, watch out in the swimming , Glenwood seem to be buying swimmers from left , right and centre!!
@Gungets: Clifton play some of the more upmarket 2nd tier schools like St Charles, St Henrys, Ashton College and the like. They use the Berea Rovers fields at Kings Park (KP3 & KP4).
@Gungets Tuft: Their 1sts played Kearsney 2nds at Kearsney and were very competitive in the 1st half but lost convincingly in the end. 34-10.
They did have some pleasing results drawing 10-10 with Port Natal 1sts and pushing DHS 1st hard in a midweek game before going down. It was something like 18-10 in the end.
I dopn’t even know who Clifton play at rugby, and they don’t even have a sports results tab on their website. They play College at hockey but not rugby.
@ Gungets-The grumpy old Walrus might respond to a bit of star dust.Maybe he can do a sabatical at his old school. Loyalty and connectivity are not completely dead and buried in this frenzied world we live in.(at least I hope not).By the way how is Clifton’s rugby. Some of my son’s age group(U15) at Clifton have been invited to play first team Clifton next year.With all due respect I don’t think they would have made the U16A/B at Westville.
@star: Good luck with that. Clifton have targetted their polo as their #1 sport and hockey as #2. They will be throwing wonga at the coaches, do you think Westville can afford them?
@ Gungets- I agree with you the coach has a massive influence on a successful polo side( more so than in any other sport). I think Westville should lure the Clifton coach (Bradley Rowe) who is actually a WOB. I also think he is the national coach( one more for Westville- getting a bit boring-just joking green people and AB). In all seriousness the results are not good enough and need to be improved upon.It also shows that not all good swimmers have good ball skills.
Hmmm where is our mate the Mayor of Westville?
@Gungets Tuft:
agree with the coach thing, i thing its the main reason why Clifton are ahead of everyone else. another example is the DHS 1st side at the moment, they are improving game by game with their new coach Jean le Roux. apparently he played for SA Mens and coached at st Johns and the fruits of this investments are already starting to show, an example is Hilton who earlier beat us 17-6 but in the 5th/6th playoff Hilton won 8-7 and even that was because of a mistake by the boys who were keeping score so ya i agree totally
@Griffon:
i guess swimming takes priority ahead of polo then.
@ Horsefly : Not to say that you’re wrong, but some of the top swimmers do play waterpolo, but only about 3 or 4 A team boys. The rest iv seen swimming at the club at the school everyday. So basically you’re right about it. I’m not sure how effective it was for the WBHS sports management to cut off an u16 age group and put the boys into opens, but I see some positives and negative§
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Agree with Griffon that it is probably the loss of Peter Bees. My experience with polo is that the coach is massively important because it is such a strategic game. It is all about possession and skills and team members understanding. Many years ago Howick High School were the top polo team in KZN. From a school of 450 girls and boys they had about 5 boys in the KZN Schools side and 4 in the SA Schools side, probably 4 in the SA U19 side (was a post-matric thing back then) – my eldest brother one of them. The reason – a coach by the name of Owen Pheasant. Owen had played in Hungary for a couple of years. He was peerless. He died in a car accident driving to PE to watch the 1974 Lions tour match against the Boks. Howick went from top to nowhere in an instant. Long story – short message. I think that of all the sports, polo is the most coachable. Big men with ball skills, plus good coach, you have a team. Give Steve la Marque another year at Glenwood – you won’t recognise the team. Hopefully Graeme Waters will be providing the same at College …
@Griffon:
Yeah i think this started in 2011. Dont know about 4th term but in the 1st term WBHS swimmers arent allowed to even touch a polo ball(this is a fact). This must do something to them confidence and experience wise.
Look at WBHS polo results 2011 and before and you will see how good they were! Your current U16s came 5th or 6th at grey u14 tournie 2 years ago. Dont know whats going on there though but your doing well in just about everything else does cover up for it though.
I do know Clifton are losing. A couple of their very important players this year though and most other schools are playing with boys in grade 11 and under.
Honestly not sure, but I’v seen some top swimmers play A team for another sport. Although many don’t. I think the schools pushed them to much to focus on swimming than any other sport. Most of them iv seen play lyk D or E team rugby and C/D soccer just for fun. If its true I’d understand where the school or swimming management is coming from, but I’d say its a bad idea. Swimming is 1 of the most boring sport in terms of traini
ng. An A team swimmer at any school already knows most of the proper techniques so there’s not a lot to coach but telling them to improve their time, eat properly etc.
@Griffon:
Is it true that your top swimmers arent allowed to play A team for other sports though? If so do you feel its a good idea?
Not to make excuses, but I personally think that Westville’s poor performance this year was because of a change of coaching in a way. I think they would’ve done better if they were still coached by the late Peter Bees. He. Was a very good coach, coached last years u15’s to 6th place at the Wynberg tournament 1 or 2 places behind Clifton. These years u15’s placed 13th. Maybe he could’ve injected more life in the waterpolo teams this year
1) hahaha, yep let’s not talk about some of the Glenwood talent that moved to College over the years, the other way around was never seen before this last decade.
2) Yep, you need a ‘fetcher’ in polo too, someone who has put in the swimming mileage. Not me, by matric I hated swimming. It felt like I had grown gills and chlorine was my new oxygen.
3) Agreed, it’s a boring debate now. Life is about the strongest surviving and as the book ‘Road less travelled’ says, ‘Life is hard’. Toughen up, quite whinging and move on. The harder you work the more lucky you get.
@Grasshopper:
1. Not allowed to talk about Westman and Staples. Not enough water in the pool to cool that down :-)
2. Only 4 swim-offs in the match, but sure, have a gas man – always nice to have a “fetch and carry” (used to be me, cosYcos I was a 98 pound weakling), can inject a little pace on the break away and get the extra man up front.
3. We all need to get away from the money and scholarship thing. Been talked to death. It’s not going to change any time soon, we need to prepare our boys for life, and life is just like that. In life there is always someone richer, faster, brighter, stronger – but it is amazing how often they don’t win. Same at school, we have seen that. Compensate, innovate, life’s like that. And even the “bought” kids need to work, it’s not like anyone can just pitch up and win …
@Gungets, yep I am aware of that boet, I was a polo player myself. Not that great but decent enough. You do need a quick player to win the swim offs though and in my days we had Rudi Urbach, 6foot6 of onboard motor. He only lost a few swim ofs to a bloke from Pinetown callen Monkey and Matt Bowman. Anyway, you are right. About 5 good players and you have a good side. The whole-man needs to be big and powerful, usually a lock or prop in rugby. Having a jelly belly in waterpolo is OK, not sure why Glenwood didn’t get Marne into the water. Without Kyle Westman Glenwood would have done worse, he was 2nd top goal scorer with 15 goals. Imagine how good College would have been with him. To be honest I do not like the tourno structure, it should be 9 games on a round robin basis and then the qtrs based on points from those games. Glenwood are far better than 7th having beaten most of the others previously except Clifton. Yes, like any private school if you have the money to throw at them then yes they are good schools, just some people don’t have R100k plus a year per kid to do that…
@Grasshopper:
i think the key for the clifton team is better coaching and superior fitness otherwise there isnt that much between them and other sides. an example in northwood u15a, last year they came 2nd in this tournament losing to clifton in the last two chukkas, they learnt their lesson and were able to match clifton in the fitness column this year and thus won the tournie. you have to understand that at clifton the 3rd term is not soccer or athletics term but rather pre season water polo term where they try find pre season fixtures with anyone whos willing to play.
also, national domination will be the last thing on DHSs mind at the moment as knocking clifton off their perch is the immediate target.
its not going to be easy , but its not impossib;e
@Grasshopper: Waterpolo is similar to swimming, you need 4 top competitors to dominate. Clifton have .. what .. 4 SA reps, all of them ex-DPHS I think. Kearsney have Daniel Du Preez who was neutralised by Clifton this tournament, hence the difference between 1st and 2nd. Westville – powerhouse in swimming, were nowhere in polo because it is not swimming. Clifton backed their waterpolo years ago when they built their acquatics centre and offered scholarships to the top players. It has worked for them, and their hockey is not too shabby either. Somebody said earlier that Clifton has brilliantly filled a gap in the sport-education market in Durban – they are right. I admire Clifton a lot – they have got the balance right. Get the kids in young, nurture them, reap the rewards. Academics is top notch, sport pretty good for a tiny school. Thumbs up from me.
Bigger schools – get with it. Polo is ALL about the coaching. Take a big strong guy that can float, give him the skills, you have a player. Easier to build a team than cricket, hockey or rugby I reckon. So, time for me to rev my old mate Tottie Waters … :-)
Horsie, no need to get so edgy boet. DHS had great sides in 1995 and 1996 when I was at Glenwood and again in 2000. If memory serves me correctly DHS won SACS in 1995, 1996 and 2000. My good old mate Andrew ‘Horse’ Stewart was the key player for DHS and another bloke called Deon. Since 2000, St Johns have consistently been the best waterpolo school in the country, winning SACS 5 times in that period. SACS themselves, Rondebosch, PBHS, St Andrews, Selborne and KES have also been up there. College dominated in 2001 and 2002….seems Clifton are set to do the same for the next 5 years. My old Geography teacher Gerry Goedeke must have decided waterpolo was easier to focus on that rugby……
@Grasshopper:
i was talking about giants as in water polo giants, not in rugby or whatever.
top 8? for what? DHS were till 2008 the best water polo school in KZN and on most years in the country! i could even pull out the 2007 year book and give you all the waterpolo results you want mate!
and as for a similar standard i already know of a couple of DPHS boys who are very talented polo players that are coming to DHS , a couple of them are even very handy rugby players too!
Giants? Hmmmm interesting the different perspectives of people…..do you mean slowly coming back into the top 8 again. I would have felt pretty humiliated as a KES supporter on the rugga day against KES….still a long way to go Horsy and your Under14’s are going to need to be followed by another 4 years of a similar standard at least, going to be hard to do with all the competition for the best. My dad and uncle are supporting the DHS funds as we speak but also not expecting a return for another 5 to 10 years…
well done to DHS for finishing 3rd after being somewhere around 9th last year, also very good to know it could have been way better with U14s losing confidence halfway through the final, u15s underperforming and 1sts not having 6 players available to them!
THE GIANTS ARE FINALLY WAKING UP AGAIN!!
@Gungets Tuft: Sorry – that Kearsney would be 9, 8, 8 .. not das grinning face …
@Grasshopper: On the basis of those results, counting all 3 age groups with 10 points for first positions through to 1 for tenth – numbers in brackets are points scored in U18, U15, U14
1. Clifton (10, 9, 10)
2. Kearsney (9, 8, 8 ) 8)
3. DHS (5, 6, 9)
4. Hilton (6, 4, 7)/Glenwood (4, 7, 6)
6. College (8, 3, 4)
7. House (2, 5, 5) / Northwood (1, 10, 1)
9. Thomas More (7, 1, 3)
10. Westville (3, 2, 2)
@Gungets – here are the results, check the bottom of the page for the Under15 and Under14 results to be expanded; http://www.hssm.co.za/tournaments/2012/top-10-kzn-water-polo-tournament-2012
@Beet, spot on there. I remember playing a Hungarian Under15 club side in matric and they gave us 15 to 20 goals. Countries like Spain, Hungary, Croatia etc are just streaks ahead in waterpolo. They play from when they can swim, it’s the same the other way round. Our SA Under16 elite rugby squad would smash Hungary’s Under18 rugby side. We had a Hungarian exchange student in 1996/7, Bartosz somebody (forgot his surname) and he made SA Schools with his eyes closed. He virtually scored every goal…..what a machine! I don’t think he even made Hungarian schools B!
@Grasshopper: Waterpolo is a sport played in water, it is not a swimming sport. When I was playing a good fast swimmer that had some strength was good. No longer so, it is wrestling in a speedo. Not taking anything away from them, but …
And water polo killed my swimming – not that I minded. I hated swimming, hours and hours with my head under the water. Good luck to people that swim, but polo was much better.
Grassy – {shrug} … perhaps on a points basis, 10 for first to 1 for last, averaged out. Means College would have had to be last or close to last in all the other age groups. Can’t find those results.
I applaud Clifton for their achievements in waterpolo. It seems like a good strategy for a small school looking for a greater market share to promote the sport since waterpolo appears to be quite a popular summertime sport at school level.
The missing ingredient now is SA success at senior international level. Without it, waterpolo will always struggle to compete with rugby and cricket. I understand that there are financial contraints placed on waterpolo and also that cricket and rugby enjoy a lot of TV coverage and media support but swimming has shown that Saffas can identify with a non-mainstream sport and heroes like Ryk Neethling etc can stem from this success.
When I watched Jesse Kriel perform well at Craven Week, I had the idea that he was quite easily one of the best 18y.o. in is position in the world. Likewise I imagine that wicketkeeper/batsman Tyler Smith is amongst the best keepers in his age-group in the world. Yet despite the remarkable achievements of the Clifton goalkeeper Franco Conversano, I’m not sure he’s even amongst the Top 100 u19 keepers in the game today.
Traditional or non-traditional sport, for me that puts things into perspective for waterpolo – lack of international success.
@Gungets, not sure mate. Not sure how 7th in Opens, 4th in Under15’s and 5th if Under14’s equates to 4th but they must have announced it on the day at the prize giving. Does not matter really as we all want to be number 1 and Glenwood needs to get there quickly. What is interesting is the best swimming school Westville is 10th! So obviously they don’t allow their top swimmers to get injured playing polo. Although good rugga players usually make good polo players due to size, power and strength…
@Grasshopper: How did Glenwood derive their 4th place overall. I can’t find the consolidated table anywhere?
The Glenwood 1st side had a shocker as they have beaten most KZN opposition except Clifton. They were the best KZN side at SACS beating Northwood, College & DHS so under performed this weekend. Anyway, these things happen. Good to see Glenwood are 4th overall based on all the age group results, a big improvement from 8th last year. Here is the report; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/KZN%20Top%2010%202012.pdf
@Grasshopper: Your comment regards clifton focussing on waterpolo and saying you ‘not sure why ‘ ….i suppose its much like glenwoods recent resurgence as a school by focussing on rugby , remember it was not long ago that glenwood seemed to be dropping its standards as far results go and the think tank came up with a great strategy to recruit good talent into the BE and create a strong rugby culture…..much the same with the young Clifton , im sure that by them creating a strong waterpolo culture has helped them becoming a major player in the local market , my feeling is clifton fits in a great space in durban and satisfies the need for families whom want the many benefits of the private school system and at the same time remaining day boys , waterpolo has been the major sport with the other sports growing at a fairly rapid rate as spin off from this talent pool .
I must say that I was surprised at the results. I dont really follow Water polo and if you had asked me before the weekend who would be in the top 4 I would have got one right, Clifton, as I know they focus totally on water polo. I would have had Clifton Westville, Glenwood and Northwood.
Well done to Clifton on the water polo. Also well done to College for 3rd place. This was a team of grade 10 and 11’s. They lost to Thomas More on the first day and then beat them 11-4 in the 3rd place play off. Bodes well for future.
Well done to DHS U14 for making the final of top 10 tournie.
Kick off at 12.15am
Well done to DHS U14a for making the semis as 1st in their group, they will now play Kearsney in the SF while Clifton plays Hilton in the other SF.
Kearsney and Clifton are the only two school with teams in SF’s in all three age groups.
Personally i hope for a DHS Clifton final as DHS beat Hilton 15-2 and Clifton beat Kearsney 14-0 so the final wouldnt be interesting ig theymade it.
GO SCHOOL
@Grasshopper: Kloof slipping out of the Top 10 could well be attributed to them losing their specialist coach John Watt last year. He had a family issue which forced him to move closer to home – he is now at Kingsway High. Will be interesting to see how Kingsway improve over the next few year. He is really passionate about his polo.
@grassy
Thoamas more have a decent 1st side but their juniors are getting trashed by others. Also about the 5 great players, thatts true but think about how hard it actualyy is to get those players as a lot of schools try to get them so well done to those schools who do. Also,it seems DPHS polo players are the jackpot of kzn polo as schools who get them .
Also, DHS arent that far behind looking at their U14 and U15 results plus we are sure to get back to wehere we were before with the new coach
It seems Clifton and Thomas Moore have focused on waterpolo, not sure why. Maybe because you only need about 4 or 5 great players to make a great team. I’m surprised Kloof have slipped out of the top 10 as they used to be pretty handy. Surprised too how off the pace DHS, Glenwood, Northwood and College are considering they used to be the top 4…
Just wish there was someone updating us with the U14 and U15 polo results!