| Ita | Sam | Aus | Eng | Fra | POS | NAME | A/G | SCHOOL | UNION | H | W |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 17 | 17 | 17 | 1 | PR | Mzamo Majola | u20 | Westville | Sharks | 182 | 110 | |
| 2 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 2 | HK | Jan van der Merwe | u20 | Pretoria BH | Bulls | 182 | 109 |
| 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | PR | Thomas du Toit | u20 | HJS Paarl BH | Sharks | 187 | 120 |
| 19 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | LK | Jason Jenkins | u20 | St Albans | Blue Bulls | 201 | 121 |
| 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | LK | RG Snyman | u20 | Affies | Blue Bulls | 206 | 117 |
| 20 | 6 | 6 | FL | Jacques Vermeulen | u20 | Paarl Gim | WP | 197 | 104 | ||
| 20 | 7 | 20 | 20 | 7 | #8 | Daniel du Preez | u20 | Kearsney | Sharks | 196 | 112 |
| 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | #8 | Hanro Liebenberg | u20 | Drostdy | Bulls | 196 | 110 |
| PACK | AVG HEIGHT, TOTAL WEIGHT | 193.375 | 903 | ||||||||
| 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | SH | Ivan van Zyl | u20 | Affies | Blue Bulls | 178 | 80 |
| 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | FH | Brandon Thomson | u20 | Ermelo | WP | 187 | 92 |
| 11 | 11 | 11 | 11 | 11 | WG | Leolin Zas | u20 | Hermanus | WP | 184 | 88 |
| 13 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | CT | Daniel du Plessis | u20 | Paul Roos | WP | 187 | 97 |
| 23 | 13 | 13 | 13 | UTIL | EW Viljoen | u20 | Grey College | WP | 192 | 92 | |
| 23 | 23 | 14 | FB | Malcolm Jaer | u20 | Die Brandwag | EP Kings | 174 | 72 | ||
| 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 | CT/FB | Warrick Gelant | u20 | Outeniqua | Blue Bulls | 180 | 89 |
| 16 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 16 | HK | Joseph Dweba | u20 | Louis Botha | Free State | 175 | 105 |
| 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 17 | PR | Ox Nche | u20 | Louis Botha | Free State | 176 | 108 |
| 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | PR | Frans van Wyk | u20 | Monument | WP | 190 | 125 |
| 4 | 19 | LK | Abongile Nonkontwana | u20 | St Alban’s | Blue Bulls | 194 | 108 | |||
| 7 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 20 | FL | Jean-Luc du Preez | u20 | Kearsney | Sharks | 194 | 113 |
| 21 | 21 | 21 | 21 | 21 | SH | Marco Janse van Vuren | u19 | Transvalia | Golden Lions | 185 | 88 |
| 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | 22 | FH | Tinus de Beer | u19 | Waterkloof | Bulls | 176 | 87 |
| 14 | 23 | 23 | WG | Grant Hermanus | u20 | Paarl Gim | WP | 179 | 83 | ||
| 6 | 6 | FL/#8 | Rikus Bothma | u20 | Paarl Gim | WP | 187 | 107 | |||
| 14 | 14 | 14 | WG | Khanyo Ngcukana | u20 | Rondebosch | WP | 178 | 86 | ||
| 19 | 19 | 19 | LK | Hyron Andrews | u20 | Garsfontein | Sharks | 202 | 104 | ||
| 12 | 13 | CT | JT Jackson | u19 | Oakdale | Blue Bulls | 189 | 96 | |||
| 17 | PR | Njabula Gumede | u20 | Maritzburg College | Blue Bulls | 180 | 115 |
FIXTURES
| DATE | TIME | TEAM | TEAM | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2-Jun | 16:30 | France U20 | 19 | – | 10 | Wales U20 |
| 2-Jun | 16:30 | Ireland U20 | 18 | – | 16 | Argentina U20 |
| 2-Jun | 18:30 | Australia U20 | 34 | – | 22 | Samoa U20 |
| 2-Jun | 18:30 | England U20 | 59 | – | 7 | Japan U20 |
| 2-Jun | 20:30 | New Zealand U20 | 68 | – | 10 | Scotland U20 |
| 2-Jun | 20:30 | Italy U20 | 10 | – | 33 | South Africa U20 |
| 6-Jun | 16:30 | France U20 | 47 | – | 7 | Japan U20 |
| 6-Jun | 16:30 | Ireland U20 | 24 | – | 20 | Scotland U20 |
| 6-Jun | 18:30 | New Zealand U20 | 32 | – | 29 | Argentina U20 |
| 6-Jun | 18:30 | South Africa U20 | 40 | – | 8 | Samoa U20 |
| 6-Jun | 20:30 | Italy U20 | 15 | – | 31 | Australia U20 |
| 6-Jun | 20:30 | England U20 | 30 | – | 16 | Wales U20 |
| 10-Jun | 16:30 | Argentina U20 | 6 | – | 29 | Scotland U20 |
| 10-Jun | 16:30 | England U20 | 18 | – | 30 | France U20 |
| 10-Jun | 18:30 | Wales U20 | 66 | – | 3 | Japan U20 |
| 10-Jun | 18:30 | Samoa U20 | 30 | – | 24 | Italy U20 |
| 10-Jun | 20:30 | South Africa U20 | 46 | – | 13 | Australia U20 |
| 10-Jun | 20:30 | New Zealand U20 | 25 | – | 3 | Ireland U20 |
| 15-Jun | 16:30 | Australia U20 | 31 | – | 21 | Scotland U20 |
| 15-Jun | 18:30 | Argentina U20 | 46 | – | 5 | Italy U20 |
| 15-Jun | 18:30 | New Zealand U20 | 45 | – | 7 | France U20 |
| 15-Jun | 18:30 | Samoa U20 | 12 | – | 29 | Japan U20 |
| 15-Jun | 20:30 | South Africa U20 | 20 | – | 28 | England U20 |
| 15-Jun | 20:30 | Ireland U20 | 12 | – | 22 | Wales U20 |
| 20-Jun | 11:00 | Italy U20 (11) | 20 | – | 19 | Samoa U20 (12) |
| 20-Jun | 13:00 | Argentina U20 (9) | 38 | – | 21 | Japan U20 (10) |
| 20-Jun | 15:00 | Scotland U20 (7) | 17 | – | 9 | Ireland U20 (8) |
| 20-Jun | 16:30 | Wales U20 (5) | 28 | – | 23 | Australia U20 (6) |
| 20-Jun | 18:30 | South Africa U20 (3) |
31 | – | 18 | France U20 (4) |
| 20-Jun | 20:30 | New Zealand U20 (1) | 21 | – | 16 | England U20 (2) |
| TEAM | P | W | PTS | |||
| Pool A | ||||||
| 1 | France U20 | 3 | 3 | 13 | ||
| 2 | England U20 | 3 | 2 | 10 | ||
| 3 | Wales U20 | 3 | 1 | 5 | ||
| 4 | Japan U20 | 3 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Pool B | ||||||
| 1 | South Africa U20 | 3 | 3 | 15 | ||
| 2 | Australia U20 | 3 | 2 | 10 | ||
| 3 | Samoa U20 | 3 | 1 | 4 | ||
| 4 | Italy U20 | 3 | 0 | 2 | ||
| Pool C | ||||||
| 1 | New Zealand U20 | 3 | 3 | 14 | ||
| 2 | Ireland U20 | 3 | 2 | 8 | ||
| 3 | Scotland U20 | 3 | 1 | 5 | ||
| 4 | Argentina U20 | 3 | 0 | 2 |
Dawie het nou groot en sterk voorspelers. Nou om die footballers van die stampkarre te skei
@Nemo: moet jou krediet gee oor die losvoorspeler keuses. Teen die engelse het ons n regte 6 gesoek alhoewel ek die kaptein darem ook kwalik neem met die hoog tekkel. Verder was die eksperts ook reg oor Thomas wat uit posisie skrum. Ek dink ons benodig n soort van Sanzar u19/20 toernooi as voorbereiding.
the IRB admitted in a meeting held with coaching staff and management that both yellow cards should not have been awarded. But never the less, we were outplayed.
not fair blaming the captain for bad decisions (to go for line and try rolling maul) as it was the orders given. Also keep in mind the flyhalf with very high success rate up to then, has already missed 2 kicks by then. And it was the first time they could utilise their full pack. A try would have lifted their spirits and put them back in the game. If it worked, it could have changed the rest of the game. Easy to say in hindsight it was bad decision making. Lets hope they can lift their heads and show us their real potential against France.
@BOG: al vir ‘n paar jaar
Opsommend dus en met volle motivering, SA rugby is in die K_ K !
I think it starts even earlier. I used to help out coaching at a youth rugby club, (until the constant bitching by parents got to me), at under 9 and 10 level. I believe the greatest enemy of running rugby is the tackle bag. We used to learn the boys about hit, pillars, go down, place, recycle ad nauseum, holding the tackle bag. What do they learn in the process? Crash ball.
I see they now concentrate more on running the gaps and creating overlaps, which is heartening.
Gents, a couple of posters here have pointed out that maybe not all is well in SA rugby. I think you are blind if you cannot see it. In today’s game you need the ball to win, you cannot keep hoping for opposition errors to give you the win, it works great against the lesser teams but the top guys figure you out. It is a gamble, why not take the game into our own hands and play for a win, not hope for the opposition to lose it. I don’t advocate a run at all cost type rugby but if you aren’t going to let the back line do some work in space after creating a platform with the forwards then you may as well fill the bok backline with our abundance of great defensive loose forwards and keep kicking the possession away. I ponder at the lack of intellect shown by coaches and over coached (read incorrectly coached) players when all we do is crash ball, pod play or kick it away and in return we get turned over, penalised and the defense cut open by skillful opposition backs respectively. Yet we do it 20 times a game and then infuriatingly again the next game.
When you start loosing EYT games, like we have lately, against the “not best” teams in the world, you have a problem in plan and selection. We should win 90% or thereabouts of our games if you look at our numbers and our talents. This covers winning against all teams weaker than us and covers us winning a good deal of our home games against the top team/s (NZ and occasionally Aus). That 90% odd should be our benchmark, not something to praise. 65-70% win ratio as a bok, baby bok and even top SR franchise coach is not good enough.
On Saturday I watched a SBR game where very unfortunately the underdog team defended their opposition’s game and did not play their own until 10 minutes from the end. Play your skills and don’t play something that isn’t working for 90% of the game. Kicking a ball away aimlessly hurts you when the opposition are skillful and confident.
Thinking and skillful rugby needs to be our priority in SA now. I am not saying play sevens type festival rugby at all times, we all know that playing in RWC knockout stages, the game does get more conservative but it should be clever conservative play not just kicking at all costs or bashing it up and getting nowhere in 10 phases and then turning over possession.
Jacques vermeulen the flanker started most games for the SA Under 20 in 2014. I personally think he should have been given a lot more game time. Would have definitely started him in all the big games.
Seeing that some philosophical advise or slogans are being dished out, how about this one? “The difference between an achiever and a non-achiever, is that the latter, settles for less” But the question is, what is an “achiever” or “success” ? On that, we can write a book.
@Andre T: I can guarantee you they also did not consider losing…that’s why we play and love the game.
@Rugbyman: I agree with you we need to evolve but to say SA rugby is in “big big trouble” is not correct. We have a lot of positives at all levels to work with…even NZ teams kick the occasional up and under.
If you watch the Hurricanes and Chiefs play it is amazing how all their players create and utilize space by the simple skill of straight running.
Vanaand se paneel op Radio Ruggas is Rugbyman, Djou en MikeSt…….sien uit daarna……17h30
@AbsoluteMenlo: Yes our big forwards are one of our strongpoints… but imagine teaching them more skill… giving our backs more ball… being less predictable… that would be something to behold… offcourse there has to be structure… but kicking up and unders hoping the other team makes an error… thats not structure, thats setting yourself up to fail…
I am of the opinion that if you empower your players with all the ball in hand skills, you can adapt to any gameplan that suits the occasion… but as it stands now, we can only play one kind of game…
@AbsoluteMenlo: You are missing the point arent you?
We won the 1995 world cup because of pure heart and passion… in 2007 we had a very good team, but who knows what would’ve happened if the all blacks made it to the final…
Times have moved on significantly… all top teams are now well conditioned and to sit back, relax and become complacent because of something that worked in the past is just the reason we are where we are… complacency is the enemy of success… when last did we win a super rugby title? Before this year’s once off win against the all blacks, when last did we beat them or australia in australia for that matter? None as blind as those who will not see…
Oh yes, and garsfontein did lose quite a few matches, but we kept on working hard, kept on playing exciting ball in hand rugby… and when all was said and done beat menlo didnt we?
@AbsoluteMenlo: Winners never consider losing………
The fact is SA teams are competitive because of our big forward packs and our structured game plans. We won World Cup’s and Super Rugby Titles this way. Even in this tournament we progressed to the semi-finals and on the day beaten by a better team.
Yes, there will always be room for better team selections, higher skill levels and a more attacking ball in hand attitude.
Even Garsfontein lost a few games this year.
Blou bulle het geweet as hulle Liebenberg boost dan sal dawie hom kies.Blou Bul tegniek.
Bulls….SA u20……Springboks all the same thing in common no adaption to the modern game.
@akw: ek dink ook die seun het elke oomblik gehaat oor dit wat die coaching panel met hom aanvang…..maar het hy ‘n keuse gehad? ou moet onthou dawie is bygestaan deur pieter de villiers en ek glo as die bokke se skrumghoeroe het hy insae gehad. dawie was ‘n stut en ou kan nie glo dat hy as stut so kon mistas met die vaskop keuse.meeste van ons het gevoel hier kom n probleem dalk maar dalk word ons verras! hier kan net een les geleer word…..noenie ronddonner met jou vaste5 en veral nie jou voorry nie.baie provinsies het baie skrum en voorry talkers wat stutte veelsydig wil maak as vas en loskop. dit werk selde en dit werk net tot nadeel van die speler! gulde kans verspeel hier…met thomas op los en frans op vas sou die hele prenthie anders gewees het…sou sou sou sou sou….en geen geelkaarte….anyway….engeland en all blacks final sal goeie rugby oplewer
@Andre T: paar ander woorde as FFFFFIASKO comes to mind…
Vanaand om 17h30 op Radio Ruggas…….die paneel klim kaalvuis in oor gisteraand se fiasko in Calvisano
@Vyfster: I hear you about most of these players coming from elite schools… question is: How could they loose their skills so quickly after leaving school? I think most of you would agree with me that most of these players were deemd talented and very skillful two year ago… what happened to them after school? Our systems are woeful and we dont pay enough attention to detail at skills and the development of those skills in pressure situations… But if you raise constructive criticism to professional coaches at unions ready yourself to be isolated…
Let me name an example… last year our Garsies wasnt too bad… ask anyone who saw us play last year (and this year for that matter) we play exciting ball in hand rugby… Then I had to hear after one of our games last year from an official of our local union that we should kick more and run far too much… scary isnt it…? Offcourse when you play ball in hand you make more mistakes and offcourse it backfires on you from time-to-time… but thats part of the game…
Coaching a ball-in-hand approach takes a number of years… there is no quick fix and thats why I say it needs to come from the top…
Gents, SA rugby is in big, big trouble… Djou is 100% correct that the moment the boys go to higher levels, their skills are coached out of them – I think they arent allowed to play, they are forced into patterns… We just want to bash with every ball and run over the oposition… how many times did the flyhalf actually receive the ball instead of one of our massive locks or props…? Only in our half did the flyhalf receive the ball, and that was to kick and chase. Why should a lock or a prop decide in the flyhalf channel what to do with the ball? Will the ball ever be distributed to the outside backs? No it wont… result: just man-up and double hit the big guys causing turnovers… My word, are we that stupid or are the wrong people in charge of our rugby? Did the baby boks pattern look familiar? Make up your own mind at who decides how we should play….
One of our biggest problems in this country is that the good coaches (very few) dont come through the ranks… if you havent played for the boks or dont know someone high up in a union your chances of making it as a coach are slim… Skill with ball in hand is not being coached at a higher level with the exception being the Lions and now the cheetahs will also make a mind shift. We need to start coaching players the simple running and passing skills and build there confidence by allowing them to play a running game, knowing that they might fail sometimes and make mistakes, but building confidence by allowing them to explore and be adventurous. It takes time to develop a skill of running rugby, alot of time, but we dont have that mindset… I read victor matfield’s book a number of year ago up to the point where he said that when peter de villiers took over he wanted to play an expansive game… victor, john smit and fourie du preez stopped that expansive plan, because the boks had always been successful by playing concervative… Have we? What is our winning record against the all blacks and australia with the concervative approach? You see the mentality is all wrong… At that point I closed the book and never opened it again… And this man was in charge of the bulls’ attacking game this year? How is that possible…?
We need a major overall of our systems, and it needs to come from the top… the fear of failure is consuming our youngsters and that is due to coaches that are so scared of failing they would rather kick and charge! We believe that size is everything… whats happening to skill? Pace? Thinking on the field? We had a massively talented u20 team at the world cup… our systems and attitude let the boys down…
I said it before the tournament started and will repeat it again.
We will do well against minnows and teams without big packs of forwards. However, the moment you have to weigh yourself against teams with a stronger pack the out of position selections and medieval game plan will count against you.
Unfortunately the Aussies’ influence on the rules caused our strength over the years, namely a strong pack and good kicking fly half, to be irrelevant. Current rules necessitate skill and strength as well as skilful backs that can beat their opponents.
We had no specialist tight head or skilful 13 on tour.
Thomas du Toit is a brilliant loose head. We already saw him struggling against Italy and it was obvious that he will struggle against a stronger England pack. And when your tight head is struggling, you need a powerful scrumming lock and flank behind him. We had such players in the initial group, but they were overlooked.
But why trying to make a tight head out of him – and not also try Nche there as well?
Gelant would have offered more at no.10 or 12 and Viljoen at 15. Viljoen is a great fullback but not used to 13 and left lots of gaps against Australia. JT Jackson is a better 12 and it is no use trying to make a 13 out of him.
Du Plessis and Zas were the only quality backs that measured up well.
We week in and week out see schoolboys with brilliant skills, but the moment they move up higher it is as if their skills are coached out of them, or perhaps they may not use it.
We need new coaches who can think and not always put size before skill. In NZ, the best team in the world, they have small players such as Aaron and Conrad and Ben Smith, Aaron Cruden and Dan Carter, Cory Jane etc.
Before this World Cup started, Theron said he would be picking the quickest loose trio available. Instead, he opted for the biggest slowest loose trio possible. There are 2 young loose forwards who could have changed the shape of play, namely as Schramm and Velleman. They were both phenomenal at trials and made a huge impact. England outmuscled us last night and the boys did not know what to do. As captain, Liebenberg did not know what to do, he was lost on the field. Time to start thinking a bit and get over the blady bash bash bash. Skills development needs attention in this country
Not sure when SA rugby starting at schoolboy level will realize size and brawn will never beat size and skill.
Seams like we will never learn?
@BOG: Simple as this one liner.
“Big slow and stupid”
Flip I have nailed this Superbru down.
Champion for ever
Guys 20 minutes with a forward missing will nail any side, discipline cost us and we couldn’t come back from it. Saying that those ‘high’ tackles were iffy at best. We play on confidence and that was knocked early. Poor du Toit hated being at tight head.
@Vyfster: No, the two or so schools in SA, known for their skills, hardly had any representation in the side- and it showed
Agree with Westers. Theron paid the price for selecting 4 looseheads in the squad.
Loose forwards looked slow so why wasnt Velleman included? Bothma selected on reputation. Surprised he even started the game.
Theron has to go. He’s applying the same game plan from 2012 and other sides have evolved. Given the talent in the squad we should doing so much better than the rubbish dishee out in that 80 minutes.
I think we may see something similar in the WC because Meyer and Theron are cut from the same cloth
It is also disturbing to me that almost all these players come from elite schools with professional coaching yet their skills level is shockingly low……it seems your average New Zealand school prop forward has more ball skills than the whole Bok team, something which is also apparent in superrugby…..I wonder if the players realise that it is possible NOT to lose the ball forward when tackled, it is even possible to catch a ball cleanly in a lineout 5ms from the try line…..i just hope this will serve as a huge wake up call
Theron reached his sell by date a year or two ago. Paid the price for not having a specialist tight head. No pace in the loose forwards. Back three were poor under pressure. Backline play is a weakness of most SA sides and this was no different. Gelant’s positional play was dreadful. Captains decision making was not too clever. Lineouts were a shambles. Not much good to be said for that performance.
Give credit where credit is due. Die Bleekbene het ons ‘n rugbyles geleer en voor doodgemaak in al die fasette. Ons agterspelers het net die bal in trurat gekry ‘n paar meter agter die voordeellyn – behalwe in die laaste 5 min teen 14 man.
Back to the drawing board. Die vertoning was verontrustend. Tyd vir nuwe gesigte by die o 20’s se bestuurspan.
Hoop hul gebruik die 3de plek play-offs om bal die lug te gee soos Cheetahs verlede Sa teen Bulle. Net nie weer hierdie stadige tempo ruby nie asb.
mees onbeholpe, patetiese vertoning in jare……dis mos duidelik, ons oorweldig spanne met brute krag, maar sodra ons ons moses fisiek teenkom, word ons totale gebrek aan vaardigheid, kreatiwiteit en flair blootgestel……ons is wereldkampioene in balle laat val onvermoe om bal vir meer as een fase te hou, om ‘n lynstaan of skrum te wen…..so kan ek aangaan……dis nie lekker om te se nie, maar ons kom dom voor op die rugbyveld….behoede ons as dit ons toekoms is, hulle is erger as die Bulle
And in the last 3 minutes glimpses of what could have been with a ball-in-hand approach.
That actually pisses me off so badly.
@CharlesZA: 1 future bok? That’s pushing it. Poor skills on display.At 18 6 down choose to not kick at goal twice. Having said that we miss our third attempt. Just one of those days. Handling very poor.
And the lack of pace in the loose forwards was a big problem.
Maybe Dawie and Frans share a coaching manual.
Om te dink die kaptein was al vir jare n kaptein en hy kan nie n basiese wedstryd situasie opsom. Ook duidelik dat ons net 1 plan het en dit is om met forwards game te wen. As dit nie werk nie, oh well that all we got.
If coach survives this he got dirt on plenty people high up.
Maybe 1 future bok in this squad.
Cannot keep the ball in contact, poor basic skills, as said previously Du Toit is NOT a tighthead and it showed.
At 18-6 down we kick for the line, at 21-6 down we kick for goal????
Actually our ball control in contact is PISS POOR.
Time for a complete over haul
Being taught a rugby lesson.
Hoe los n afrigter vir Jacques Vermeulen uit!
@Ooorkant Loftus: Ja.stem saam.Het wel my bedenkinge gehad.Hulle kon hom seker nie van die bench af speel nie.Die loskop in iste 15 moes Ox wees.So…..dit sal interessant wees met watse posisie Thomas die pad vorentoe wil gaan. Hierdie is maar geforseer en getalle politiek. Dweba se bydrae was groot.Hy is yster en gaan nog ver pad stap,baie goeie skrummer saam met sy stutte.En die hele vaste5 was skitterend. Met sulke slotte en flanke agter ‘n stut moet daar net een pad wees en dit is vorentoe. Hierdie agttal kan die beker wen…….daar moet net nie meerkatte wees nie en dan behoort ons enige opposisie skrum te kan baasraak.
Powerful performance, particularly the front 5. Backs seem a bit lost and not sure what to do with the ball. Jenkins, massive man, massive player. But the true test is waiting in the shape of England. Should be a great game
@Umtata: Yes, the rooikop Aussie captain was their best player, the rest were abysmal!
@Umtata: I think he just needs a haircut!
@Grasshopper: hahaha…I agree on EW, he looked lost at times.
The Aussie fullback gave us problems at times
What a great 60 mins we had last night. Why did we take our foot off the gas, we must learn to bury sides like that. We must psychologically scar the Aussies with 80 point wins. The dominance we had up front called for a bigger score. What worries me is against an equal pack we need to play for the full 80. Our replacements look OK, nothing too special. Hyron Andrews looks anorexic compared to Jason Jenkins. For me Jenkins was the man of the match, what a machine! The oke is pure power. In fact the whole tight 5 impressed me immensely. I liked Dweba’s never say die attitude and tenacity. The loosies we pretty good, Du Preez standing out for me. I was very disappointed with EW Viljoen, is he injured? He looks a shadow of himself from in 2013 when he was carving up defences. Maybe he should go back to fullback and bring Gelant to centre. Overall, I was very impressed with the side. England will be a different challenge up front. Oh yes, forgot Thomas the Tank Engine destroyed that wimpy Aussie prop……he was in turbo reverse. I reckon he smelt his own hole in every scrum…..hahah
good performance, but am I the only one left a bit dissappointed by the Aussie performance? I expected more from them
@Woltrui: Dewald Human is die speler waarna jy verwys.
Ek verstaan hy is ook beseer.
Lanklaas die Aussies so oorhoops gesien. Lekker man lekker.
2 dinge wat hinder: met forwards wat so oorheers verloor ons heeltemal te veel turnover en ons agterlyn behoort baie gevaarliker op voorvoet te wees.
Toernooi begin egter nou eers.
Gooi mielies!
Verdediging nie skerp in middelveld, Daniel du Plessis, n keer of wat gate gelos. Voorspelers baue goed, raak net bietjie oorhaastig naby doellyn. Losvoorspelers saam baie goed.
Thomas du Toit n deeglike Vaskop. Mooi lyf. Doen sy primere taak baie goed.
Sharks moet hom mooi oppas. Dink hy kan Jannie se plek volstaan binnekort.
England 18 France 30
Met die bal besit wat ons teen Samoa gekry het moes ons n helse groot telling teen hulle opgesit het. Ons moes daai outjies aan flarde gehardloop het. EW Viljoen op buite senter? Sal graag wil weet hoeveel wedstryde hy die afgelope twee seisoene op 13 gespeel het. In nabetragting baie konserwatiewe keuses tov die agterlyn. Jurie Linde, waarskynlik die ster no 13 in laasjaar se 0’19 reeks word desperaat benodig. Wonder ook wat se verskil Radebe aan die agterlyn kon maak(ek verstaan hy is beseer). Die klein no 10 (naam ontgaan my tans) van die Bulle se 0’19 span van 2014 (die Outenikwa spelertjie) sou ook n reuse verskil aan die agterlyn spel kon maak. As ons die toernooi wil wen sal ons voor- en agterspelers skerp moet wees.
@maroon8: Met Frans en Vincent kan dit net goed gaan. Help ook dat hulle 2 slotte het wat skrum.
@akw: dink mat proud van stormers gaan nou daai joppie doen as ek reg gehoor het en dit kan baie voordelig vir wp wees op langtermyn.
@Losbal: stem saam.sal baie graag wil sien hoe vaar die vaste5 met thomas op loskop en frans op vaskop met eerste 15.veral teen die groter spanne in semis en dalk die finaal.dink egter nie dat dit sal gebeur nie want die opdrag sal wees dat ox altyd daar sal moet wees.frans word benadeel met speeltyd.dinge agter lyk belowend.
big improvement – much better
Well, first half much better than the first game! Go bokkies
@maroon8: Ek stem saam. Die tekort aan kwaliteit vaskoppe is op skole ‘n afrigtings issue, die seuns werk slegs teen skrummasjiene wat waardeloos is om vaskoppe en loskoppe regtig die fynere details te leer.
In Engeland het hulle op ‘n stadium Prop Idols gehad om voorrye te identifiseer en ontwikkel, miskien is dit ‘n plan.
Samoa gaan taai wees vandag.
Guys please remember the EU teams have been together since the beginning of the year and have played a lot more games than SA. That said we should have still played better and won by a bigger margin. I think Leolin Zas didn’t have a bad game.
@Die Ken: One of the pleasing things from the Italy games was the competence of our wings under the high ball. We didn’t get to see how strong they are with exit kicking tho but all in all they seemed to be better equiped choices than the ones Heyneke M made for the Boks EOYT last year. I worry that tactical high kicks and kicks in behind the wings will be a big deal come the RWC, so hopefully our senior wings are able to deal with these threats.
@beet: true. Hence moving 1s to 3, 12s to 13 or 11/14s to 13 and even 11/14s to 15!
@maroon8: @Die Ken: It highlights a problem in SA. A shortage of quality at tighthead prop.
SA needs to give a lot more attention to producing better quality tightheads, scrumhalves and outside centres.
@maroon8: skud net my kop, ons is by die JWB met geen erkende vaskop nie.. Dawie haal sy Heyneke streke uit…Frans is ook n loskop
@akw: ek maak die afleiding dat ox as loskop altyd moet speel om die getalle te maak……ek vra….hoekom vir thomas opoffer? die seun het gewys wat in hom steek as loskop….hierdie vaskop verandering is ‘n swak besluit. ek sal frans my 1ste keuse vaskop maak en basta.en as ox moet in iste 15 wees,met hom begin en thomas 2de helfte opsit.as die game gewen is, sal ek thomas die laaste 15min vaskop laat speel as frans moeg is en dan ander loskop speelkans gee…..jip….. all blacks en veral engeland lyk goed!
@beet: Ek dink die Bokkies sal nog reg kom.
@Beet: Ja look, I reallly like JL he is a great kid/man now i suppose. I have watched him closely over the years and always been a fan.
However, last year he started picking up weight, a lot of weight and I feel it has not been good for his game – to me, 115kg at 20 is to heavy at loose forward – if I were involved with the Boks, i would get him away from gym and just hit the road and speed drills all day long.
Dan to me, is now a far better player, lighter on his feet and busier. I hope JL comes right, but he needs to sacrifice some size, 108/110kg is still massive – M Coetzee weighs 108kg and he is more than big enough and powerful enough in contact – plus he gets around the field far more.
How is the AB left wing – to think he was still u19 last year, he made us look stupid, looking forward to watching him this year
I watched a lot of the NZ vs Scotland game and the Baby Blacks showed a much higher level of urgency which resulted in them playing a much faster paced game. Nothing quite beats quickball and the required fast thinking to get into formation for the wave of attack. It disorientates a defence big time. The NZ-Scot game was played on a better field with better lighting which may have contributed to the better quality.
@RBugger: Yes JL nowhere as a role defined player. I think Vermeulen and Dan du Preez will step in at 6 and 7. now.
Not a great result at all – this year, we do not have a world class flyhalf in Pollard or a line breaker at 13 in Kriel.
Time will tell, but the game plan seems terrible and all the players seem intent on taking contact. Gelant needs to raise his game, he was terrible last night and EW should now be given a chance.
Bothma not there in my oponion and JL looking very heavy – Dan to start at 6.
The only player who i thought really played well was RG Snyman, very secure in the lineout.
Not a good performance
Kom ek herhaal net gou weer, vaskop is ‘n uiters gespesialiseerde posisie.
Ek was baie beindruk deur die Samoa span, dit gaan nie maklik wees nie.
@Die Ken:
Nou is ek seker hulle gaan die toernooi wen
Ek moes werk so ek gaan nou eers die wedstryd kyk.
In vorige stukkies re hierdie span het ek gese ek dink nie hierdie span gaan die final haal nie, en ek is aangevat (op n mooi manier) daaroor. Ek se dit weer, hierdie span is nie goed genoeg nie, die talent is yl gesaai en hul splepatroon laat veels te wense oor.
Not sure were our rugby is going but I hope this is not the direction.
@Mike: Not very good no skills.
@Mike: Really not great.
@Mike: One pass we lucky they could actually catch the pass.
@Mike: I think another way of describing our team is ” Big/Slow/Strong and Flippen Dumb”
They would get a A for most thing but for skill they would fail by a mile.
@Mike:
Too good Mike. That should be the match report.
One pass-boef!
dit was in een word – treurig!
hoop die kwaliteit verbeter en wedstrydbeamptes sommer ook
One pass-boef, one pass-boef, one pass-boef, kick (or knock on). Surely the young and exciting South African talent has more potential than that.
@beet: JWC not really the time and place to experiment……especially not on the tighthead!!!
@Mike: Being generous. That was really kak.
@beet: Yeh, unbelievable. We seem to have settled down towards the end of the half and started to take control.
Jeepers chaps. Not looking like a title winning side here in the first half.
Geez how’s that Italian loosehead get under Tommy in that scrum aound the 20min mark
Dis darem n getjommel die eerste 20 minute.
No Jacques Vermeulen?
Can’t really argue with the rest of the side. 33% quota is known so any argument for EW Viljoen is tough.
Just noticed Duhan vd Merwe didn’t make the side either? He played so well for them last year when he came on. Injured?
@BuffelsCM: Dankie Buffels. Die frikken Du Plessis teel lyk vir my soos konyntjies daar in die Kaap. Klink soos die Massyns van Monnas. Almal goeie rugbyspelers. Gelukkig land van die Massyns darem op in Blou Bul geledere.
@Goldstones: No just a coincidence. Du Preezs are twins and Du Plessis’ are cousins with the names Jean-Luc and Daniel. All are sons of Springbok players.
@BuffelsCM: Du Plessis, Du Preez….all the same?
@Woltrui: Dit was Jean-Luc Du Plessis en nie Daniel nie !!
Daniel Du Plessis het teen die Bulle in die Vodacom Beker semi-finaal BAIE goed vertoon op no 10. Nou ingespan as buite senter. Maak nie werklik vir my sin.
@CharlesZA: Thank you dear Sir. Almost got an heart attack. RG Snyman a WP player. Tsk tsk tsk. Doing it on purpose Beet?
@CharlesZA: Thanks
Beet, RG Snyman plays for the Bulls. Think you have it wrong in your data somewhere.