KZN 2014 1st XV rugby teams – possible line ups

22 January, 2014 beet KZN, Squads 104

There is a first look at what the KwaZulu-Natal tier 1 1st XV teams of Hilton, Glenwood, Kearsney, Maritzburg College, Michaelhouse, Northwood and Westville might look like this season. It just the opinion of this website, so please don’t shoot the messenger :mrgreen: . No school coaches or officials contributed to the lists. Remember its there is still quite a long way to go before teams are finalised so these lists can and will be updated.

* denotes injured at present

# MARITZBURG COLL. Pos AgeG 1st XV # GLENWOOD Pos AgeG 1st XV
1 T. Steyn Prop u18 Returning 1 Kenny Van Niekerk Prop u18 Returning
2 M. Mazwi Hooker u18 Returning 2 Percy Mngadi Hooker u18 Returning
3 M. Dlamini Prop u18 New 3 Koos Tredoux Prop u18 Returning
4 D. Arntzen Lock u18 New 4 Kevin du Randt Lock u18 Returning
5 W. Jacobs Lock u18 Returning 5 Ntokozo Vidima Lock u19 Returning
6 H. Tharratt Flank u18 Returning 6 Nama Xaba Flank u17 New
7 R . le Roux Flank u18 Returning 7 Macmillan Muller Flank/lock u18 New
8 D. Goodson No.8 u18 Returning 8 Jaco Coetzee No8 u18 Returning
9 C. Rattray Scrumhalf u17 New 9 Kwazi Khanyile Scrumhalf u18 Returning
10 J. Koekemoer Flyhalf u18 Returning 10 Curtis Jonas Flyhalf u18 Returning
11 X. Guma Fullback u17 New 11 Khutso Thobejane wing u18 New
12 K. Edwards Centre u18 Returning 12 Ruben Fouche Centre u18 Returning
13 M. Coetzee Centre u19 Returning 13 Chris Bredell Centre u18 New
14 B. Watson Wing u18 Returning 14 Spam Ncgobo Wing u19 Returning
15 B. Holder Fullback u18 Returning 15 Morne Joubert Fullback u18 Returning
16 S. Swanepoel Hooker u17 New 16 Sheldon Beneke Hooker/Flank u18 New
18 T. Zulu Prop u18 New 17 Blessing Thole Prop u17 New
17 M. Smit Hooker u17 New 18 Kwenzo Blose Lock u17 New
19 R. Reddy Prop u17 New 19 James Venter Flank u18 New
20 B. Mdutyana Prop u17 New 20 Jordan Du Preez Scrumhalf u17 New
21 B. Olivier Lock u17 New 21 Murray Hand Flyhalf u17 New
22 J. Colenbrander Lock u17 New 22 Jaydon Morgan Wing/Fullback u17 New
23 S. Stuart Flank u18 New 23 Lencho Breynard Flank/Lock u17 New
24 K. Thunder Flank u17 New 24 Donovan Du Randt Centre u17 New
25 C. van Zyl Flank u17 New 25 Ruan van Rensburg Centre u17 New
26 L. Commons No.8 u17 New 26 Ilungi Mukendi Wing u17 New
27 M. Seba Scrumhalf u17 New
28 M. vd Linde Scrumhalf u18 New
29 R. Trodd Scrumhalf u18 New
30 J. de Wet Flyhalf u17 New
31 A. Jarana Wing u18 New
32 L. Thamahane Wing u17 New
33 T. Hanlon Centre u18 New
34 C. Frackers Centre u17 New
35 K. Munangi Centre u17 New
36 D. Whiteman Wing u18 New
37 S. Lithgow Wing u18 New
38 L. Getkate Wing u17 New
39 M. Kriel Fullback u17 New
# MICHAELHOUSE Pos AgeG 1st XV # HILTON Pos AgeG 1st XV
1 Gregory Jackson Prop u18 Returning 1 Andrew Peverelle Prop u17 New
2 Bradley Roberts Hooker u18 Returning 2 Michael Dedekind Hooker u17 New
3 Louis Albertse Prop u18 New 3 Andrew Svenningsen Prop u17 New
4 Andy Vogal Lock u18 Returning 4 Jayson Gouws Lock u18 Returning
5 Gary Porter Lock u18 New 5 P Frost Lock u17 New
6 Zander Prinsloo Flank u18 Returning 6 Ettienne Marx Flank u17 New
7 Matt Wiseman Flank u17 New 7 Brad Dickerson Flank u19 Returning
8 Nicholas Egberink No.8 u18 Returning 8 Sebastien de Marigny No.8 u17 New
9 Thomas Walker (C) Scrumhalf u18 Returning 9 Matthew Dahl Scrumhalf u17 New
10 Bader Pretorius Flyhalf u17 New 10 Thomas Webber Scrumhalf/Flyhalf u18 New
11 Jason Schwegmann Wing u18 New 11 Darren McGhee Wing u17 New
12 Brandon Tattam Centre u18 Returning 12 Daniel Loftus Centre u17 New
13 Jacques Swarts Flyhalf/Centre u18 Returning 13 Tristan Blewett Centre u18 Returning
14 Tyran Faber Wing u18 Returning 14 Leo van Wymeersch Wing u18 New
15 Robert Lee Fullback u18 Returning 15 Keaton Bottriell Fullback u17 New
16 Jack Walters Hooker u18 New 16 Nicholas Lello Hooker u17 New
17 Lee-Marvin Mazibuko Prop u17 New 17 Adam Holdcroft Prop/Hooker u17 New
18 James Hallier Lock u18 New 18 Jean Nel Lock u17 New
19 Jonty Barry Flank New 19 Matthew MacKenzie Hooker u17 New
20 Matthew Potgieter Flank u18 New 20 Jonty Jewels Scrumhalf New
21 Billy Dean Scrumhalf u17 New 21 Cameron Beetar Utility Back u17 New
22 Brandon Landsberg Wing u18 New 22 Mathew Little Centre u17 New
23 Nicholas Glassock Fullback u18 Returning 23 Nkanyiso Nzimande Lock u17 New
24 David Broadley Wing u18 New 24 R Hawkins Lock u17 New
25 Liam Furniss Wing u17 New 25 A Johannes Flank u17 New
26 Jordan Sesink Clee Lock u17 New 26 Anthony Warren Flank u17 New
27 Michael Mandy Prop u18 New 27 Christopher Trenchard u18 New
28 Aidan Versfeld Wing u18 New 28 Gianluca Radesich Wing u17 New
29 Frank Goble Wing u17 New 29 Khathu Nematswerani Wing ?? New
30  Michael Tatham Centre u18 New 30 Sam Hyatt Wing u17 New
KEARSNEY Pos AgeG 1st XV WESTVILLE Position 1st XV 2013
1 Tijde Visser Prop u18 Returning 1 Renier Pieterse Prop u18 New
2 Mzingisi Bam Hooker u18 New 2 Jonno Bailey Hooker u18 New
3 Nicholas Luyt Prop u17 New 3 Cody Thomas Prop u18 New
4 Ryan Jackson Lock u17 New 4 Adrian Heystek Lock u18 Returning
5 Tristan Dixon Lock u17 New 5 Jordan Martin* Lock u18 Returning
6 Anthony Quenet Flank u18 New 6 Ryan Clark Flank u18 New
7 Jesse Rich Flank u18 New 7 Nathan Meilhon Flank u18 New
8 Stephen Tedder No.8 u18 New 8 Keagan Erasmus No.8 u18 New
9 James Hall Scrumhalf u18 Returning 9 Gareth Jackson Scrumhalf u18 New
10 Tristan Tedder Flyhalf u18 Returning 10 Kyan Braithwaite Flyhalf u18 Returning
11 Langa Masuku Wing u18 New 11 Shane Ball Wing u18 New
12 Kyle Ritchie Centre u18 New 12 Simiso Phahla Centre u18 New
13 Donald de Cramer Centre u18 New 13 Juan Anderson Centre u18 Returning
14 James Tedder Centre/Wing u17 New 14 Donovan Pieters Wing u19 Returning
15 Stefan Harris Fullback u18 New 15 Lindo Buthelezi Fullback u18 Returning
16 David Brown Hooker u17 New 16 Chris Princen Prop u18 New
17 Matthew Maddock Prop u17 New 17 Shaun Stoltz Prop u17 New
18 Cian Waugh Flank u18 New 18 Yuric Thamibiran Lock u18 Returning
19 Josh van Vuuren U/Back u18 New 19 Kevin Smit Flank u17 New
20 Sebastian Pau Centre u17 New 20 Brandon Warner No.8 u18 New
21 Ivan Crockart Wing u18 New 21 Josh Murphy Flank u18 New
22 Brendan Vorster Scrumhalf u17 New 22 Devon Muller Flank/Lock u17 New
23 Donovan Kelly Scrumhalf u18 New
24 Brandon Young Scrumhalf u18 New
25 Wayne Smith Wing u18 New
26 Ruan Kotze Fullback u18 New
NORTHWOOD Pos AgeG 1st XV
1 Ngoni Chidoma Prop u18 Returning
2 Nthutko Mathembu Hooker u17 New
3 Kabelo Motloung Prop u18 Returning
4 Greg Slater Lock u18 Returning
5 Shane Kennedy Lock u18 Returning
6 Keagan Sparks Flank u17 New
7 Ross Muil Flank u17 New
8 Duncan MacDonald No.8 u18 Returning
9 Kuziva Kazembe Scrumhalf u18 Returning
10 Lindo Makhanye Flyhalf u18 Returning
11 Ntobeko Sibisi Wing u17 New
12 David Weersma Centre u18 Returning
13 Wallace De Lange Centre u18 Returning
14 Phiko Sobahle Wing u18 Returning
15 Siya Sithole Fullback u18 Returning
16 Cameron Silson Hooker u17 New
17 Nathan Fincham Prop u17 New
18 Clayton Holland Lock u17 New
19 Craig Trollip Flank u17 New
20 Ryan Symington Scrumhalf u17 New
21 Nathan van Wyk Flyhalf u18 Returning
22 Jabu Mabida Wing u17 New

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104 Comments

  1. avatar
    #104 spilly

    Would be great if the same line ups could be done for the Eastern Cape schools.

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    26 January, 2014 at 23:55
  2. avatar
    #103 Grasshopper

    @Rhino: it’s a vicious spiraling circle for schools and their management. If the 1st does not perform they don’t attract the grade 8 intake they need to continue to produce results. One OK year makes grade 8 ok so to improve the side they try bring in a star to make up for weak areas. Unfortunately all the major boys schools are in this cycle…..it’s sad but true. The days of naturally strong years and a few weak are over. Most of the sides have been groomed and manufactured from a young age. I know of recruits looking at 8 year olds for talent! One of life’s best attributes, loyalty to which all us bloggers have is being bred out of the youth…..in 20 years we won’t have passionate Old boys like us…

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    25 January, 2014 at 06:02
  3. avatar
    #102 Rhino

    @Westers

    Yep i concur that is defo not cool at all. And it will cause a ripple down as in turn will affect others players who now also have to drop down a team throughout the teams. I know SBR is semi professional in a way nowadays but its still school boy rugby and that what the “higher people” need to think of. How do you marshall it properly though as schools are scared to have bad seasons as it affects how they are seen from the public as we are judged so much on rugby. interesting though..

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    24 January, 2014 at 22:12
  4. avatar
    #101 Westers

    @Grasshopper: The only new boys I have heard of are the two who have apparently come from Hudson Park. I believe one is a lock and the other a prop. I don’t know much else. I have heard murmurings of unhappiness that they are taking the places of boys who have been at the school since G8. Not on in my book.

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    24 January, 2014 at 20:54
  5. avatar
    #100 Grasshopper

    http://m.hsrugbyworld.co.za/mobi/school-blogs/article/glenwood-has-a-new-director-of-rugby/10337

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    24 January, 2014 at 19:57
  6. avatar
    #99 Grasshopper

    @Westers: Where are your imports from and what positions?

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    24 January, 2014 at 16:28
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    #98 Grasshopper

    @Westers: Well, they were close to being unbeaten and the rest of the age group the same so the depth will be there. Westville could challenge the Glenwood 2nd’s this year who have gone unbeaten locally for about 3 or 4 years now…

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    24 January, 2014 at 16:27
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    #97 Westers

    @star: With the large numbers that Westville have not many U17’s seem to make 1sts. Nor for that matter 2nds. The current matric year is the biggest intake that Westville has had if I am not mistaken. I know numbers doesn’t always mean quality, but the C, D and E sides through this age group did not lose many games, even to Glenwood, College and KES. So they do have strength in depth. The U17s are going to have to be super talented to break into 1st and I don’t think too many will make 2nds.

    As an aside, I hear through the grapevine that the two imports are being given an opportunity to make an impact but are not really doing so. Still early days though.

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    24 January, 2014 at 15:10
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    #96 Westers

    @Grasshopper: Just to set the record straight, this years matrics were not unbeaten at age group level. As U16’s they did not lose to a local side (drew with College if my memory is correct) but did lose to KES. They also lost games in U14 and U15.

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    24 January, 2014 at 15:02
  10. avatar
    #95 Buffel

    @Pedantic: I would have Brown in the starting line up at hooker as he brings that ‘DON’T CARE ABOUT REPUTATIONS’ attitude and will get stuck in. He reminds me of Nick Colepepper Junior who tackled everything that moved and put his body on the line. With a bit more phutu in the belly should bulk up nicely and be a real threat in 2015.

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    24 January, 2014 at 14:25
  11. avatar
    #94 Grasshopper

    @beet: I think you probably need to add Sam Matiwane to the Glenwood squad…

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    24 January, 2014 at 12:40
  12. avatar
    #93 Gungets Tuft

    @RBugger: Everything is more interesting than working. Even watching these eThekwini Red Ant people cutting the grass at Spagetti Junction. They might ask me to move my truck any second now ….

    ReplyReply
    24 January, 2014 at 12:39
  13. avatar
    #92 beet

    Ja please everyone avoid Internet Explorer. All the settings eg the tables on this site are designed around Firefox. IE viewing may result in overlaps of data.

    ReplyReply
    24 January, 2014 at 12:30
  14. avatar
    #91 RBugger

    @Gungets Tuft: Hahahahah, yip, from my work desk, far more interesting than working :mrgreen:

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    24 January, 2014 at 12:27
  15. avatar
    #90 Gungets Tuft

    @RBugger: What browser are you using. Say Internet Explorer and you will ruin a friendship. If on a corporate PC/Network, they might disable “active content”. Pity – but you are excused then :mrgreen:

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    24 January, 2014 at 11:58
  16. avatar
    #89 RBugger

    For some reason, my reply button does not work :cry:

    ReplyReply
    24 January, 2014 at 11:46
  17. avatar
    #88 Gungets Tuft

    Star, RBugger – can we ask that you use the little Reply button when posting a reply. Makes it a lot easier for my Std 8 intellect to follow the conversation when I can click on the hyperlink and reference what you are replying to?

    Will save you typing the @Gungets Tuft stuff ook. Buy a donkey. :wink:

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    24 January, 2014 at 10:56
  18. avatar
    #87 Pedantic

    @RBugger: Definitely Hall, possibly Harris.

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    24 January, 2014 at 10:50
  19. avatar
    #86 RBugger

    Besides Visser and Tedder, who one would think will both make CW, are there any other players in this KC team who have a chance of CW, or Academy week?

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    24 January, 2014 at 10:44
  20. avatar
    #85 Pedantic

    @RBugger: I feel with the lack of size in the pack – it may be an idea to bring Brown into the fray to add the required “mongrel” at the obvious risk of conceding penalties. Bam has been a loosie in the past so could slot in there.

    @star – I agree :mrgreen:

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    24 January, 2014 at 10:28
  21. avatar
    #84 star

    @ RBugger- I would jump him at 4 and rotate. He must play no 8 and play a little looser. He has good balls skills and needs the freedom to express himself. Let Visser take the lead role as the hitman. Dixon can take that responsibility on next year. :mrgreen:

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    24 January, 2014 at 10:16
  22. avatar
    #83 RBugger

    @Star: Should Dixon play lock, presuming 4, his role would be that of enforcer, hitting rucks, being mongrol etc

    He will be Grade 11 but he has the size, not sure if he is a lock though, would prefer him at 8…

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    24 January, 2014 at 09:52
  23. avatar
    #82 Grasshopper

    @Buffel: No easy games anymore in KZN, it comes down to where they are played, home or away. Too me Westville are playing down their chances too much when the whole side is in matric. Westville have been building up to 2014 with there unbeaten age group side.

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    24 January, 2014 at 08:50
  24. avatar
    #81 Buffel

    @star: As i have said before-the 3 schools to beat this year are College,Glenwood and Westville in that order. If anyone says different then they are smoking the illegal stuff. This does not mean that the rest are push overs. Kearsney and MHS will be there and there abouts with the rest playing for the minor places on the local ladder. Hilton re-building so too DHS. Northwood have almost a whole team returning so don’t take them too lightly.

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    24 January, 2014 at 08:34
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    #80 star

    @ Buffel- you are right. He did start in grade 8 at Westville but left to return in late grade 10.
    @ Pedantic- good point. I think with all Westville’s big loosies he should look at the hooker position. However there is a lot of talent in the front row. Besides Pieterse, Bailey and Cody, there is Els( Border GK 2013) Stoltz ( KZN GK 2013) and Zincume ( KZN GK 2012). Princen is also pretty useful having been part of very good team over the years.
    It is also interesting that there is not one U17 in Westville’s starting line up.Hilton have 10. Good to see how this rolls from year to year.Hilton should theoretically have a good year in 2015.

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    24 January, 2014 at 08:13
  26. avatar
    #79 Gungets Tuft

    @Pedantic: Pi(e) (sic) and coke only in the first 2 weeks, then it is Walkie Talkies from the Warwick rank. I always have too much month left at the end of my money … 8)

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:53
  27. avatar
    #78 Gungets Tuft

    @star: Cool, I will take out 9 to get the College list to 30, which makes College 100% homegrown, all of them there since Grade 8 :oops: :oops:

    Of course the acid test is still going to be the teams that run onto the field, I wonder how many names have been missed on the lists above, and how many suddenly come to the fore now that they have hit testosterone peak at age 17. The College list has kids that played C and D team in Grade 8 and 9, and (admittedly in Skonks days) we famously found 4th and 5th team players making their way to the firsts in the space of a season, centres suddenly being flankers etc.

    I have sent Beet the College list with the year of arrival, perhaps if everyone does so we can get the homegrown table going.

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:49
  28. avatar
    #77 Buffel

    I stand to be corrected . Thomas came back to Westville in the 4th term 2012 (grade 10) from Hillcrest and has made a huge impact. Prefect 2014.Well done.

    This year going to be very interesting as the season unfolds. As far as the Khomo side from 2012 is concerned- a lot of changes for the 2014 CW side. Boys have grown and there were a lot of injuries during trials that year.

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:38
  29. avatar
    #76 Grasshopper

    Just to add, if the team is more than 50% bought in from grade 10 or 11 then that is becoming a barbarians type team.

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:36
  30. avatar
    #75 Grasshopper

    @star: Westville is a very suburban school, meaning intake is quite local. Reason being no BE, or little BE. Glenwood on the other hand is far more cosmopolitan, kids from all over KZN and SA with a 240 kid BE. So a fifth of the school lives there. There are a number of reasons for kids coming in later, but close to 80% of the players being there at least 3 years makes it a ‘home grown’ team in my eyes.

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:34
  31. avatar
    #74 Pedantic

    @star: Is Nicholson not in the mix ?

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:19
  32. avatar
    #73 star

    @ Gungets- it is good to see the son of a previous College captain( Arntzen) in the mix . His father is a mate of my younger brother so must have been around 1985. All black would probably know.
    I am going to add 4 more players to Westville to get to 30. Couch, Kitching,Mpilo and Shange. That means that Westville have 29 out of 30 from grade 8( 97%) and 33.33% from Westville Senior Primary School.If you add kids that live in Westville and the Highway area that % will be above 70%. I am including Thomas as home grown as he was at Westville in grade 8. :mrgreen:

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    24 January, 2014 at 07:05
  33. avatar
    #72 Grasshopper

    @Gungets Tuft: what would also be very interesting is to see what primary schools they all came from, so beet a nice table of year arrived, years at school and primary school attended ;-)

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    24 January, 2014 at 06:32
  34. avatar
    #71 Grasshopper

    @Koos Roos: Bader will be a shoe in 2015, but this year Jonas and Tedder have the edge, but time will tell. Jonas is injury prone so Bader might get in that way. He will definitely be in the mix though…

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    24 January, 2014 at 06:30
  35. avatar
    #70 Koos Roos

    @McCulleys Workshop: The two schools allready got on well last year at Paarl Gym’s tournament. Suspect that Bader was the founder of this good spirit between the two schools. Great leader too. They even stood tunnel for each other. Great to see that. About CW. We will have to wait. Have not seen the other two boys, but when they match up, I’m holding thumbs for Bader.

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    23 January, 2014 at 23:10
  36. avatar
    #69 Pedantic

    @Gungets Tuft: I guess Pie and a coke is the staple diet of tow truck drivers then ? Should be fine :roll:

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    23 January, 2014 at 23:03
  37. avatar
    #68 Gungets Tuft

    @Pedantic: Oh alright then. Can we multiply by 3.14 so that it can satisfy my need for needless complexity. :oops:

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:50
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    #67 Pedantic

    @Gungets Tuft: Just take the grade each player started at the school .. average that number across the team – the lowest number is theoretically the school that has spent more time developing the team – so a perfect score would be 8 – simple maths lit :mrgreen:

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:28
  39. avatar
    #66 beet

    KZN Grant Khomo 2012. A lot of these kids will start the season as favourites to gain CW places

    1. T. Steyn (Maritzburg College)

    2. M. Mazwi (Maritzburg College)

    3. M. Dlamini (Maritzburg College)

    4. K. Du Randt (Glenwood)

    5. J. Martin (Westville)

    6. K. Webster (DHS)

    7. H. Tharratt (Maritzburg College)

    8. D. Goodson (Maritzburg College)

    9. K. Khanyile (Glenwood)

    10. C. Jonas (Glenwood)

    11. S. Buthelezi (Westville)

    12. T. Blewett (Hilton)

    13. M. Joubert (Glenwood)

    14. K. Thobejane (Glenwood)

    15. C. Bredell (Glenwood)

    16. T. Zincume (Westville)

    17. P. Mngadi (Glenwood)

    18. Y. Thambiran (Westville)

    19. T. Erasmus (Westville)

    20. J. Koekemoer (Maritzburg College)

    21. R. Fouche (Glenwood)

    22. S. Pahla (Westville)

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:22
  40. avatar
    #65 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: Maths Lit. Logic is my game, not this count and divide thing.

    That said, what is the best way of measuring. How about total years at school as a percentage of max. Max is 15 x 5 (repeats don’t count, can’t have a dufus improving the score). 5 boys arriving in grade 11 means losing 15 points.

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:15
  41. avatar
    #64 beet

    @Gungets Tuft: Tredoux arrived at Glenwood around about this time last year

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:12
  42. avatar
    #63 CyndiAtRugby

    @Grasshopper: Mac played for KZN B at Academy week and joined Glenwood in Grade 10. Venter is the same. Donovan started in Grade 9 or towards the end of Grade 8 – will need to check the photos. I think Jonas joined in Grade 10

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:10
  43. avatar
    #62 beet

    @Grasshopper: I’m quite sure McMillan Muller was at Woodburn trials last year.

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:10
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    #61 Pedantic

    @Grasshopper: Moving to Hilton must have been a good move for Gouws .. nowhere on the radar at GK and now first pick for CW? He was an outstanding U13 player – one wonders what happened in between.

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    23 January, 2014 at 22:06
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    #60 Grasshopper

    OK Thobejane was there in 2011 too, so add him that makes 20 from 27. Only Tredoux, Vidima, Muller, Jonas, Venter, Spam & Du Randt. Spam has been there over 3 years so could be added too, 21/27…….78%, almost an A… :wink:

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    23 January, 2014 at 21:17
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    #59 Grasshopper

    @Gungets Tuft: Sorry, where do you get 30 from? It should be 19 from 27 if you add Matiwane, which is 70%. Also, some of the unaccounted for may have been there early I just don’t know…

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    23 January, 2014 at 21:11
  47. avatar
    #58 Gungets Tuft

    According to my (pretty reliable source), the doubtful ones on the list were all 2nd form entrants. So, 1 grade 10 (missed grade 9 by an uncoordinated 5 minutes) and 2 grade 9’s.

    One U19 who has been at College since 2nd form.

    Score is 36/39, 92%. I can live with that.

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    23 January, 2014 at 21:05
  48. avatar
    #57 Buffel

    Ok-Kearsney
    additions – Vorster grade 9.J.tedder grade 10 -Pau grade 10.Richie grade 10.Masuka grade 9. Rest grade 8. All u18 or below. u19’s should be playing club rugby.

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    23 January, 2014 at 18:46
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    #56 Buffel

    @star: Thomas grade 11

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    23 January, 2014 at 18:38
  50. avatar
    #55 Grasshopper

    @star: Plus the 9 starters, so it’s 18…

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:59
  51. avatar
    #54 Gungets Tuft

    @star: I’m working on it. Of the 39 in the list 29 confirmed from Grade 8, 2 from Grade 9 (including Whiteman in there, assume that it is the same guy), 1 from January (!!) Grade 10. 7 that I don’t know yet.

    Snot like College have a College JP so cannae measure that.

    Tjaaaasiss man, I was starting something, I didn’t expect everyone to haal uit en wys immediately. Wot kaaind!! 8-O

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:53
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    #53 star

    @ RBugger- do not count the Westville pack out. If they go with my selections( Heystek, Meilhon and Erasmus) that will be the biggest back row in KZN.
    Also a Grade 11 must not be expected to be an enforcer. Let him settle on his core role.

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:40
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    #52 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: There’s a D Whiteman in the College list. I can find no record of when he arrived, n or do I remember seeing his name on any BE lists.

    Tredoux must have snuck into Grade 10. What term did he arrive. Perhaps we need to make it the date of their first “January”, to avoid the “Wright Syndrome”.

    I get 18, if you count your U14’s and U15’s (lets assume they arrived in U14 till you can confirm) = 18/30 from Grade 8 = 60% if you round it up = pass (don’t tell Bog!! :mrgreen: )

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:37
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    #51 star

    As far as I am aware
    Heystek- Grade 10
    Cody Thomas returned in Grade 10 but started in Grade 8
    2 others not sure. Therefore 22 out of 26( at least). Grassy’s 9 is looking a bit bleak. :mrgreen: And while we are talking homegrown, there at least 8 WSPS boys in the mix and another few I could add.
    Common Gungets, you started this. Now you must finish it. :lol:

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:29
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    #50 Grasshopper

    Dug around and MacMillan Muller played Leopards C&D last year vs KZN IX, not sure from what school though or position…

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:16
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    #49 Grasshopper

    @Gungets Tuft: That will be tough but interesting. I have a Glenwood 2011 yearbook and these guys were there then playing Under15;

    Percy Mngadi
    Kevin Du Randt
    Jaco Coetzee
    Kenny Van Niekerk
    K Khanyile
    Morne Joubert
    Ruben Fouche
    Chris Bredel
    Sheldon Beneke

    Gouws left for Hilton. Not sure what happened to B Erwee, D Whiteman, D de Waal, J Dellis & B Ntlatywa. S Matiwane should be added to the squad above.

    We know Tredoux and Vidima arrived in grade 10. Thobejane, Jonas and Spam Ncgobo must have been 2012.

    Under14’s that year;
    Murray Hand (Cpt)
    Blessing Thole
    Kwenzo Blose
    Nama Xaba
    Jaydon Morgan
    Ruan Van Rensburg
    Ilungi Mukendi
    Jordan Du Preez
    Lencho Breynard (B team)

    So that leaves Donovan Du Randt, James Venter & MacMillan Muller as unaccounted for. Looks pretty ‘home grown’ to me. 9 definitely there from grade 8.

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    23 January, 2014 at 17:06
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    #48 Gungets Tuft

    Does anyone want to place some bets on how many players from outside the lists above will actually run out. It’s a bit naughty, because Beet has given College 39 names, but I can take out 9 names to bring it to 30 to line up with House and Hilton, the other schools can top up with the 4 or 6 they need, then lets see how we actually turn out.

    I also – given the player-trading going on – would like to draw up the “home-grown” chart that we spoke about last year. Next to the 30 names, put the grade at which they started the school.

    Everyone is against brining in new players, lets see what the picture actually looks like (Expecting House to be close to 100%, Kearsney close as well)

    Who’s up for it?

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    23 January, 2014 at 16:38
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    #47 Grasshopper

    @star: Well, Vidima and Du Randt at Glenwood a year ago were 1.90 and 93kg each, tiny by modern standards. They may have ‘beefed’ up since, not sure about growing taller though. Gouws and Martin will be first picks…Martin was 194cm and 100kg last year..

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    23 January, 2014 at 16:09
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    #46 RBugger

    @Buffel: I hope Barend can fire them up and get them working as a team. It is just the size I am worried about.

    When you look at Glenwood and College, their packs look big and strong.

    Visser and Dixon will need to be enforcers

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    23 January, 2014 at 15:59
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    #45 star

    @ Grassy- Yes I think Westville were preparing for swimming and rugby. :lol: Why do you think your locks will not be big enough?As height is generally our Achilles heel in KZN, it would be interesting to get some stats on all our CW hopefuls. I presume Gouws will top the pops.

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    23 January, 2014 at 15:41
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    #44 Grasshopper

    @star: I have a feeling not full strength polo sides played, maybe preparing for swimming or rugby?

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    23 January, 2014 at 14:44
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    #43 star

    @ Greenwood- have you not heard of the national ink crisis. :mrgreen: To be honest Andile on an under prepared pitch was the difference. The loss of the toss was crucial but fair dinkum to GW.
    @ Grassy- Sorry man but there was an adjacent report for the Water polo by D.L M. but I have just checked the date and it was 19/10/13. What is interesting is that Westville reversed the Ist team result as well as effectively the U15A result where GW won 10-1. As U16s they were ” trounced” :lol:

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    23 January, 2014 at 14:16
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    #42 Greenwood

    Glenwood Won the 1st team Cricket @ Westville last Saturday – ‘Ville 75 all out
    Strange though nothing in our local paper , the Highway Mail -usually if Westville win there’s lots of pics and headlines that read something like “Westville Trounce so & so
    maybe the Highway Mail ran out of ink !!!! ????

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    23 January, 2014 at 13:57
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    #41 Buffel

    @RBugger: The pack under the guidance of Barend will be competetive so the ball that Hall gives to Tedder will be good and it is up to him to make the right calls. He should have plenty of space to work his magic.

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    23 January, 2014 at 13:50
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    #40 Gungets Tuft

    @Grasshopper: I didn’t think they battled for money, they haven’t had issues with their Grade 8’s for 3 years now. It seems they struggle to hold on to them after that, either losing them to other schools or giving up sport.

    Not all problems can be solved with money. It buys a pretty good band-aid, but doesn’t cure most ailments.

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    23 January, 2014 at 13:01
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    #39 Grasshopper

    @star: Nope Glenwood lost the polo; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Gwd%20vs%20West%20results.pdf

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    23 January, 2014 at 12:38
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    #38 Grasshopper

    Interesting DHS now have some wonga to bring in the best; http://www.durbanhighschool.co.za/content/news/News_Item.asp?content_ID=1132&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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    23 January, 2014 at 12:34
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    #37 Gungets Tuft

    If the rumour mill is to be believed, gaps are going to be filled on lists.

    {rubbing hands ..} .. hier kom n ding, it’s going to be another one of those seasons.

    Right – off to earn a crust …

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    23 January, 2014 at 12:13
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    #36 beet

    @NW_Knight: Thanks. I will add him onto the list.

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    23 January, 2014 at 11:59
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    #35 beet

    @star: Thanks Starsky. I’ll make those amendments during the course of the day.

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    23 January, 2014 at 11:56
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    #34 Scrum Doctor

    @star: Might work but that puts loose trio all as ball carriers with then a lot of the slowing down and poaching at breakdown having to be done by the number 2 . Might find that Martins Knee rehab has the final say here anyway . Still a nice situation to be in with three good second rowers available

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    23 January, 2014 at 11:10
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    #33 RBugger

    @Knight: Fully agree with your comments, players develop at different stages when they are young and a player not looked at a year ago, could come back a complete different package.

    No one should be a shoe in when it comes to CW, it must be based on performance and form.

    Tedder is a brilliant rugby player but people must not put him under too much pressure, this year, KC will not have the same strength in their pack as last year and his job at flyhalf will be far more challenging than before.

    I know he will do a fine job but it is going to be interesting to see if he has to change his game

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    23 January, 2014 at 09:42
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    #32 Buffel

    @NW_Knight: I agree that time will tell.

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    23 January, 2014 at 09:26
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    #31 star

    @ Grassy- it is interesting that both GW( 8-6) and Westville( 8-5) are claiming victory in the water polo on Saturday. :mrgreen: Also I wonder how the GW gala went yesterday.

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    23 January, 2014 at 08:22
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    #30 star

    I think Yuric in at lock for Westville with Heystek at flank instead of Clark. He is athletic enough to be a fetcher. Els ( the ex Hudson Park) prop might get a look in at front row.

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    23 January, 2014 at 07:46
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    #29 NW_Knight

    @Buffel: I think it’s a little to early to believe that Tedder or Jonas should be the CW 10 (no-one on this blog mentioned Schramm at 8 around this time last year and look what happened). I think there are some 10’s that will surprise. Personally, I have seen one play that made Webster and Tedder look like a distant second choice last year. Time will tell.

    @Beet: I think Calvin Silson (U19 returning) could also get a look in for NW at flank.

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    23 January, 2014 at 07:28
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    #28 Buffel

    @Grasshopper: I think you have it right. Tedder and Jonas for Craven week. Both have excellent rugby brains and play a different game. Jonas from standstill can make gaps from his quick feet and explosive off the mark pace. Tedder spots a gap where there seems to be nothing and he too has pace to burn. His defence is a strong part of his game and with 2 years at 1st team level behind him should be a handfull for other number 10’s.

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    23 January, 2014 at 06:22
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    #27 Buffel

    @McCulleys Workshop: With the incumbant flyhalf at Kearsney and Jonas very special, Bader will have to be extra special. Pace and space a different factor at 1st team level so the Michaelhouse pack will have to work extra hard to make sure that he can show his talents and get the backline going.

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    23 January, 2014 at 06:13
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    #26 McCulleys Workshop

    @Koos Roos: Hopefully we will get some PR support this year and next :wink: I watched a MHS u16 highlights clip from last year, Bader is a machine and provided the MHS forwards can get good ball he should have a cracker season, regardless of Jonas and Co.

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    23 January, 2014 at 06:05
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    #25 Grasshopper

    The Glenwood locks are looking a little light and short for my liking, once again KZN’s achilles heel. Although Jayson Gouws probably has that spot sown up. Does any Glenwood supporters know if we have any tall boys coming through?

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    22 January, 2014 at 22:07
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    #24 beet

    @Tandem: Ja sorry. Not the best words.

    New to the 1st team
    Returning to the 1st team

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    22 January, 2014 at 17:09
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    #23 Grasshopper

    @Koos Roos: Yep, good luck to Bader a great flyhalf, but he will be up against two really good ones for KZN schools in Curtas Jonas and Tristan Tedder. Tedder should be 1st choice but Jonas, if he stays fit, will be a close challenger. He reminds me of Dewald Human, lightning quick off a standing start, slippery and finds gaps causing havoc behind oppositions backs. He is little though, about 70kg…..

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    22 January, 2014 at 16:55
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    #22 Grasshopper

    @Tandem: New to the 1st team, never played 1st team yet.

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    22 January, 2014 at 16:50
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    #21 Tandem

    @beet: Beet what is ” new” and “returning ” mean ? Does new mean new to the school or just new to the age group ?

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    22 January, 2014 at 16:30
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    #20 Koos Roos

    Kearsney looks to have a lot of new players in group. Expected to see Bader Prinsloo turn out for MHS. Wish him best.

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    22 January, 2014 at 15:36
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    #19 beet

    @Queenian: You’re 100% right here. Tattam has already played 1st in 2013.

    I put him in at 12 and moved Tatham out to 30 on the list

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    22 January, 2014 at 15:08
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    #18 Queenian

    What about Brandon Tattam for Michaelhouse surely he will play.

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    22 January, 2014 at 13:49
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    #17 Grasshopper

    @Buffel: Yep, games with Kearsney in the past 5 years have been 1 pointers usually so it will no doubt be tough. Kearsney are the only local side to beat Glenwood on Dixons in the past 5 years….

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    22 January, 2014 at 13:18
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    #16 Gungets Tuft

    @Buffel: Can check later – have the 2nd form telephone lists at home. Mail me at gungetstuft(at)gmail.com – this is an offline discussion, karrent be putting it on an open forum.

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    22 January, 2014 at 13:10
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    #15 Buffel

    @Grasshopper: I am sure that their opposition will have clear instructions to close down the space very quickly and put the pack under pressure. How that is done is going to left to the brains trust but it will be a difficult task. This side along with College are going to be the benchmarks when it comes to the 2014 season. We would have had a few games under the belt by the time we meet you on Dixons so hopefully we are ready for the fast paced game that Glenwood normally delivers. We have 4 boys with 1st team experience ( 2 Craven week) against your 12 but we will put up a good fight for sure.

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    22 January, 2014 at 13:01
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    #14 Buffel

    @Gungets Tuft: is this not Murray’s son.

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    22 January, 2014 at 12:54
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    #13 Gungets Tuft

    @Roger: I am open to correction but I believe that this Rattray family is from Ballito. Not sure of any link to the Battlefields Rattray’s.

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    22 January, 2014 at 11:47
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    #12 Buffel

    @Pedantic: any news on Dixon’s knee. Hope he has given cricket a miss to be ready for the Rugger season.

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    22 January, 2014 at 11:43
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    #11 Grasshopper

    @Pedantic: Nice to hear and yes that backline will be closest to the quickest in KZN if not SA. Most of them are sub 11 sec 100m runners. Bredell could be the quickest….

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    22 January, 2014 at 11:28
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    #10 Roger

    I see a Rattray at College – any relation to the late David Rattray?

    Off topic – but what a way to spend a weekend at either of the Rattray Lodges – Fugitive’s Drift or Three Tree Hill.

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    22 January, 2014 at 10:29
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    #9 Pedantic

    @Grasshopper: Donovan du Randt is an electric centre / wing – very exciting to watch as he can turn on the pace instantly.

    The amount of speed Glenwood possess from 8 to 15 is going to be difficult for any opposition to contain – will be a great side to watch – hope you get to see some of the matches this year.

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    22 January, 2014 at 10:17
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    #8 Scrum Doctor

    Some interesting “selections” . Really looking forward to this season as I think we might see a power shift away from Kearsney and Westville this year but you never know with this wonderful game ! Would also be a good time for each school to comment on the scourge of the game we love – performance enhancing drugs . Would be interested to know if pre season tests have been done and if anyone boys have failed. May 2014 be a bumper rugby year !

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    22 January, 2014 at 10:10
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    #7 beet

    I’ve also added Donald de Cramer a big centre for Kearsney. He played lock before.

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:52
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    #6 beet

    @RBugger: Yes. Not that tall but moves very well

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:49
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    #5 RBugger

    @Beet: Stefan Harris, is that the 2nd xv Full-Back from last year?

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:40
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    #4 CyndiAtRugby

    @Grasshopper: Mac and James played 2nds last year. Mac played at Academy week and James has run on for the 1sts on a number of occasions last year. The other boys you listed were U16A last year.

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:30
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    #3 beet

    I’m also not sure how Teagan Erasmus is progressing but I have included his name as well for Westville

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:25
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    #2 beet

    @Grasshopper: Thanks. I’m adding Ruben Fouche, Sheldon Beneke and Ruan van Rensburg

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    22 January, 2014 at 09:18
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    #1 Grasshopper

    Great stuff Beet, a few in the Glenwood line-up that I have not heard of before, Macmillan Muller, Donovan du Randt, James Venter, Murray Hand & Lenchyo Breynard? College look a very powerful group, surely the early favourites for KZN top side 2014. Westville look strong too…..Kearsney rebuilding and who knows what to expect from Hilton, MHS and Northwood….

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    22 January, 2014 at 08:50