NINTH ANNUAL TRADITIONAL RUGBY SCHOOLS LUNCHEON – by Jos Robson of Juiced
KEARSNEY COLLEGE came away with the top award at the ninth annual Traditional Rugby Schools award held at the Salt Rock Hotel last week. Well known sports journalist Dan Retief was the guest speaker with famous South African adventurer Kingsley Holgate once again adding to the entertainment giving an in depth update on his excursions into other parts of Africa highlighting the seriousness of Rhino poaching. Glenwood were runners up with Westville in third spot followed by , Maritzburg College, Michaelhouse, Hilton, DHS and new additions to the event St. Charles College from Pietermaritzburg.
St. Charles who were welcomed back into the fold last year was founded in 1877 and was the second school to play Maritzburg College way back in 1882 making them unquestionably one of the originals. Nicknamed the Malachites by the legendary schoolboy coach out of College the late Skonk Nicholson the famous school have a lot of hard work ahead to reclaim their status as one of the top rugby schools in the province.
@Grasshopper: Typical of U14 at College. They will improve out of their skins over the next 6 months to a year. Always do.
@Gungets Tuft: Great results there at 1st team level, but under14’s look like they need to gel and improve a bit…within 3 of Clifton is great!
@Grasshopper: Only know the College water polo results –
U14 – vs Northwood 2-9, Glenwood 1-7, Clifton 0-7, Ville 0-12
1st – vs Cliton 1-4, Westville 4-2, Glenwood 3-1, Northwood 7-1
Does anyone know what happened at the Westville waterpolo tourno and the athletics meets around the province?
@Gungets Tuft: there was no debate so he beat himself
@star: Eeisch, I wish I got your point, not sure I do.
Anyway, I think we are taking the whole “#1 side” thing way too seriously. I understood it to be on a league basis and there is just a trophy for 1st. Nobody gives a fat rats backside about 2nd and further down, in fact I think this is the first time I have even heard of a 2nd, 3rd etc. I can’t remember any second team ever. I have a sneaking suspicion that the prize-giving thang is all an excuse for a piss-up and a chow rather than anything particularly meaningful. Perhaps someone closer to the action can correct me. I have never seen a school using it to market themselves, which they surely would do if it was of any import?
HOWEVER – it must be galling for Trevor-squared to know that the Glenwood-Westville match could actually have cost them each the title, since they each lost a possible point there. 1 more for Westville would have had them tied on 13 with Kearsney, with no match between the two to split them.
As for the debate, I am going to have to award it to ……….. Star ……….. by a short nose, if only because he was able to bring himself to say “and I was also concerned that I would be admitting to being one eyed and a mite shallow”, .. with a faint recognition that the fanatical defence we see of schools here might just approach that implication from time to time. It’s a start ou Sterretjie, it’s a start .. baby steps bru ……
@Grasshopper: It will be legit if Bell can get that number past Dames, Erasmus and Pinherio.
@star: what I hope happens is Bell selects the KZN Craven Week team and it’s two thirds Westville. That way it will keep all the whining down to a whimper…
@ Gungets- Sorry about the late reply but I was freezing my butt off at the WOB golf day yesterday and my valet was late this morning and so I had to dress myself. I don’t know how you guys do it.
So you want me to”haal uit en wys”. Besides worrying me a bit about your intentions and I was also concerned that I would be admitting to being one eyed and a mite shallow. How could I possibly defend that and drag myself down to that level( your analogy of pigs and dirty getting comes to mind ?) To me it is not about the school or the position but the process that is at play and the outcomes that are generated. If for example certain schools are dominating a particular selection process and as a result of horsetrading the balance of the team is compromised and the provincial team under-performs then I will resist. If the trend continues into an innocuous award ceremony I will be consistent in my approach. Nothing too difficult to understand there. Any for the record I am currently having more to say to the Kearsney supporters and not so much about the number 1 position but the total denial of Westville’s claim. If you read my blogs carefully you will understand the basis of my argument. We are however told there is nothing to argue about( a bit arrogant you might say). For the record I was one of the few people who tipped MHS last year as I understood their process and their potential. Now as a Hilton OB if I was one -eyed I would have done everything but. 45 TH Cutting seems to be brought up quite often. Maybe I should scrutinise the family archives to get a proper historical perspective together with the GW area. That should confirm the credentials 
My horse is just fine Boggie and it is too soon for me to open my beauty parlour just yet. I will however keep the call of Geronimo as a act of justified defiance 
@Grasshopper: What Bog said.
Grassy makes it sound like the Americans and the Hard Livings, with 45th Cutting as the border, Westville having enough “social standing” to be able to cut their supplements with something other that Rattex.
Star didn’t really “haal uit en wys” at all, which is an anti-climax, maybe he is getting a Leafy Suburbs spokesperson to carefully word a response, after morning tea.
All in all, about as conclusive as their fixture was this year. Run for the hills Billy (the Kid), there’s an epidemic of indecision running through Dodge (sic).
{sigh..} This is zausting ….
@BOG: I reckon they could have been side tracked by the squaw’s and Pocahontas in particular.
@McCulleys Workshop: Geronimo and some of his braves arrived on the scene unexpectedly. Their (cowboys) horses went stiff of fear and both rode off into the sunset in different directions without a shot being fired- one in the direction of Tucson and the other, California. Asked about future plans, one said that he is opening a creche and the other, a beauty parlour.
@McCulleys Workshop: haha, we killed each other. But seriously, I have an interest in Glenwood being an Old Boy and Westvile because I grew up there, have family as Old Boys and best friends as Old Boys. I even had friends as coached there, Mike Vowles, Andrew Stewart and Kane Mavrodaris. I love it when Around every braai and every drink at Waxies I get an ear full of how great Westville is, it’s only natural to bring them back down to earth….
@Gungets Tuft: GT so who won the shootout at the OK Corral – Wyatt Earp Ghopper or John Wayne Star.
@RBugger: Hard not to mention Cameron Wright, but does his exclusion from CW count against him. Vermaak and Joubert, along with Sparks also spring to mind.
McHardy, Reece-Edwards also can’t be ignored.
College had a miserable year so mentioning College boys seems off, but Coetzee had a good year in a losing team.
Surely you can’t not pick a SA schools player – in fact, perhaps a “twin” award seems the way out?
@Grasshopper: Agreed..
Any other names though that could be thrown into the hat?
@Grasshopper: Only thing counting against his is his early injury at CW. Huge pity that, didn’t get a real chance to show the SA selectors what he had.
@RBugger: Must be one of the Doops or Schramm, for me it’s Schramm!
When are we going to get PLAYER of the year announced..?
@Pedantic: Agree. They are definitely focussed on doing well, I doubt you will find a kid in any tier 1 side that is OK with losing, but they move on.
I was surprised at the level of comraderie between boys in the KZN GK team, across the school boundaries.
In terms of Glenwood vs Westville this year I can just imagine the boys talking to each other about how much they regret not being able to play.
Hell, I have no major regrets about the 2 games I lost while at College .. just moved on ..
@All Black: I doubt it very much!
I wonder if the boys themselves worry so much about these things?
To the Westville supporters, well done on your season!
But, KC deserved being number 1 in KZN! Remember, they met pre-season with KC winning comfortably 17-5!!! No more ifs, buts or maybes, KC number 1 and very well deserved
@Grasshopper: Nope, not a good enough explanation, sorry. Other than the fact that you have made this “superiority complex” assumption about Westville (which might say more about you that it does Star), it doesn’t explain your personal stake in this. Same for Star of course, but he hasn’t yet offered an explanation so I will just give him the Class Average.
I suggest you okes head off to the nearest pub, have a pot or two, then arm wrestle for the win. At some stage you might need to go for a leak – use adjoining urinals and you might get to settle the other issue as well …
Other than that, carry on, it’s entertaining ….. in a car-accident sort of way … 8)
@star: Agreed and I have said a few times it was unfortunate that Kearsney did not test themselves more with the great team they had, so one will never know how good they really were. What was your results vs Michaelhouse and Hilton? Framesby, I watched that game at Kearsney, they were on top for the 1st half, then fell apart in the 2nd. I think they had injuries and ran out of depth. Their coach was on our side and had his head in his hands watching his team fall apart. This is where I think Jackson proved why having a big prop at this level can help, he smashed their scrum. Ellse had a peach of a game too. I think having Paarl Boys, one of the best rugby schools in the country as a season definer is a great achievement, many schools have yet to beat them. In the game vs Selbourne, I don’t think any KZN side could have touched Glenwood on that day, they were sublime. Westville’s ‘big’ winds were against a demolised KES, PBHS at home in a bog, College and Framesby. Remember we played Framesby when they were fresh at the beginning of the season at Kings Park, very different to on the last day of a long weekend were they had played some top schools a couple of days before. Anyway……bored now…….Westville had a good season, well done….
@ Grassy- Your question was ” who did Westville beat of significance outside of KZN”. It is a leading question and actually not a bad one. Surely it must be answered which I did. I then asked for consistency and in terms of the thread asked that it be posed to the other 2 contenders in Kearsney and GW. You answered by giving Paarl Boys, Selbourne, Framesby and Boland Landbou.By my recollection they were all played in KZN so your response is inaccurate. I am still waiting for the correct answer( and also for Kearsney).
In addition Selbourne and Boland Landbou are having poor seasons and you only beat Framesby by 2 as opposed to Westville’s 44. You see it was not just the College and GC blow-outs.To that you can add the NW and DHS results.Another inaccuracy on your part. Of the 8 games we had in common with GW we held sway in 5. What is becoming clear is that your season is fast being defined by the PAARL Boys result. Westers brought up the inconsistency of your treatment of KES as opposed to Kearsney in terms of quality opposition. Surely the fact they you raised the question of Westville and not Kearsney is following a similar theme. You might be a bit one-eyed here concerning KES and Westville. 
@Gungets Tuft: maybe College has never really had competition in PMB, so there has never really been a turf war. Alex, Carter etc are not in the same league same with the privates on the hill. College has PMB won, no challengers. In Durbs it’s very different, Westville and Glenwood are in a turf war, new kid on the block vs wirey old but experienced guy. Westville have a superiority complex being in a more affluent area, they are gov school but think they are private. Glenwood on the other hand sits in a less affluent area but has years of experience and attracts a more salt of the earth type of kid/family. It comes down to differing classes maybe. Anyway, Glenwood won turf in rugby, tennis etc. Westville didn’t like that so counter attacked with an injection of cash to improve rugby too. Westville focused on swimming now Glenwood have counter punched. It really is just a battle for turf in a tough economic environment. DHS and Northwood have become 2 new gangs in the mix. There is no hatred just dislike of each other, just like Liverpool and Man U. It’s a funny human condition but brought upon by the instinct of the strongest will survive…..
@Grasshopper: I am amazed at the persistence of the okes here – stand up Glenwood and Westville supporters – to argue this point. It’s done – the trophy has been awarded – Kearsney won. Glenwood didn’t, nor did Westville. To argue this hard for 2nd place, when never the twain shall meet is credit to your endurance, patriotism, stubborn natures or vicariousness (yep, it’s a word, I looked it up, us tow truck drivers need google more than most).
I don’t get it. I don’t see why it’s so important. Explain that to me and I will be a happy man. In fact, here’s a challenge to Grassy and Star – the best explanation of why it’s so important wins …. absolutely far call .. same as the other competition …
{sitting back in my truck, popcorn and fanta in hand …. } Second out, round number 1 …..
@star: how about Paarl Boys? Selbourne, Framesby and Boland Landbou even though all had weaker years. Let me remind you what Grey Bloem did to Westville last year at Kearsney. Try go to Bloem then speak. Garsies was 46-28, an 18 point difference not such a hammering especially against a top 10 side early season. Our points difference against Paarl Gim was better. The majority of Westville’s points came from the College and George Campbell blow outs. Anyway, no use trying to work this out, the two sides never played so we will never know. Lets just say Glenwood’s season was far tougher….
@ Grassy- That would be KES who I know are not having their greatest season but to win at altitude is never easy.We also lost by 6 points to Grey PE who ended up the number one side in the EC. Why don’t you ask the same question of Kearsney now? That I would love to know. I am also not sure who GW beat of significance outside KZN. I know they got drilled by Garsies and Grey and even lost to Drosty. I did post a comparative of the games Westville had in common with GW and the outcome had a positive points differential of 200 for Westville against GW’s 63. ( more than 3 times). It is not on the same star ( I mean planet
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@Gungets Tuft: I ask you who took it there though….who took that step over the line…..who?
@Gungets Tuft: Yes, very much so……
Groundhog Day anyone?
@Rhino: sorry who did Westville beat of significance outside of KZN? Why won’t any Westville blogger post the teams results?
Silly ranking that putting GW ahead of us in 2nd spot and even 1st spot is debatable as we never played them so its really not 100% .. but ill accept it as was a good KC side and on paper some great key players more so than us perhaps but then again our season was on a great run towards the end..anyhow is all done now………….. but never was GW ahead of us as number2. anyhow 2/3rd doesnt matter anyhow. looking foward to next season…
@Tarpeys: I’m really looking forward to watching young Egberink play in 2014.
@Tarpeys: I think the 3 private schools do their fair share of “crying”, we just all try to hold onto the pleasant memories of the good years
House were down this year, 2012 was brilliant but 2011 was probably their worst one in a while. 2010 was sort of okay although they lost to DHS. 2008 and 2007 brill. I can’t even remember before that but I imagine with the likes of Rhodes and Cilliers there was bound to be some good years there as well. Steve will probably know if you’re also struggling with mem recall.
Hilton have been oraait these past couple of seasons but 2011 was also a ‘cry” season for them.
Kearsney have had 3 really good years after the 2010 underachieved based on the talent in the side. I think we might be overdue for a private school “cry” season.
@Pedantic: Perhaps it was just the superior systems, the advanced sports academy. He and his parents probably made the decision based on the merits of the school.
@Grasshopper: I’m led to believe his younger brother is still at GW – couldn’t have been such a great deal then – as a parent I wouldn’t accept an offer for only one of the brothers.
Lets all give KC credit where credit is due, Westville improved so did KC.The view in a utopian world would be, “who would be the best if playing to full potential”…..This year KC takes the award hands down!
@Pedantic: Must have promised some great ‘business’ connections post school, isn’t that the main reason kids go to private schools
@star: Good to hear he is coming through – always thought he would develop nicely. Must be due to his excellent KC grooming ;)
@Grassy – yes, certainly a huge loss – one wonders how they lured him away though – it doesn’t really make any sense.
Ex Glenwood Under16 captain and lock Jayson Gouws will be the lock to watch in 2014…..now at Hilton, thieving b%2$@*(&……if that happened to DHS they would have cancelled all sport against Hilton…..
@ Pedantic- I think YT will partner JM. AH might go to blindside flank or 8th man . He really is beginning to surprize by improving in leaps and bounds.
@star: Who are the likely lock candidates for Westville 2014 ? JM is immense … who are the others – YT, AH?
@Grasshopper, true, that experienced spine that offers good leadership is mighty crucial. Moberly is probably the best captain I’ve seen wear the red and white stripes. He was immense, apparently his influence at maintaining high standards at practices was unbelievable and made the player accountable for their actions as first team players off the field and in the school in general. He was also the first to put his body on the line and attack the star studded lines up of the like of Kearsney and College with frightening physicality. He was a lion. I think Cliffie Egberinks son could be of similar steel.
@star: It’s just the Maritzburg bru’s catching up, predicting the weather, wondering when Durban Road will be open to traffic. …. normal stuff …
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@ Grassy- it is no coincidence that the captains of those great teams all went on to captain KZN at CW. Chippy/Moberly and Dan the Man.
Also 2 were locks which is where I am hoping Westville will be able to build its platform from.
Gungets- is it possible to CC me in or is the info not for local discourse.
@Playa: Yep.
@star: Agree totally on the spine required. Natural leaders are required to gel the boys in tough times, so the team with the best leadership spine will do best…
@star: Yeah, I also thought Vidima was in grade 11, maybe he is. I do not see him as a lock though, eventhough he played that at CW. Just not big enough and also not a lineout jumper. Glenwood might convert Staples into a lock but that might restrict him. Really we need a basketball convert at 2,05 to be competitive against the likes of Affies…
@ Playa- Would never laugh. Always been on your side
Kearsney had as good a spine as any side in the past. Meaker/Visser/Dan Doop/Schramm/Reece Edwards/Tedder/Lines. The MHS team of 2012 was similar( Hardman/Moberly/Moon/Anderson) likewise the GW team of 2011.( Chippy/Horne ect) Besides being good players they were leaders and key decision makers. Very important for a successful team. GW has got all the makings of a great spine except as Grassy says at lock although I was under the impression that Vidima was back although he would be U19.
@ KZN projections- I think HM has got it pretty bang on although maybe the gap is not that great
House will definitely be back as the 2012 side did from the poor 2011 season. The possible difference was that the better players in that year were the grade 11’s who were able to gel as a great unit the year later. It also must be remembered that they will play 3 of the big 4 on Meadows.
College have the legendary team that lost I think just twice in 3 years and Westville are not far behind and the age group as a whole were the best in KZN. There are some kids in that group who are yet to taste defeat.
Kearsney and Hilton also have some exciting players and will certainly be no push overs ( especially at home) . I know it is early days but the fever is starting to bite.
@Gungets Tuft: Is this you address: gungetstuft@gmail.com ?
@Gungets Tuft: I’m sure you would feel uneasy if ‘dodgy’ things started to happen at College. The Staples/Goodsen debacle, Peeping Tom, Marne Coetzee, delaying hockey games to include tired players, new players in grade 11 every year……just stinks and I don’t like stink around my beloved alma mater. The stink can only be produced by the ‘holy’ tripartite management group, I say get rid of them and bring in down to earth, legit and genuine management. I don’t care if we lose as long as there is nothing underhanded happen. Reputation is hard to build and it’s getting eroded with all these issues, get rid of the cancer……
@Gungets Tuft: Bugger them, who do they think they are. Old Boys are their customers and customers are always right especially if they feel the ‘hierarchy’ are doing dodgy non Glenwood ethos types of things like buying in players and changing the school into an Afrikaans medium one. If I have a son one day and the ‘hierarchy’ are still there he certainly won’t be going to Glenwood…
@Grasshopper: Hmmm, I wondered why the hierarchy at Glenwood are so jaundiced about bloggers. It’s all getting a bit clearer now.
@HM: please tell me it’s Sean Erasmus or Rudi Dames….please….
@Tarpeys: some well known local schoolboy coaches on the Hilton short list to take over, you might not be to pleased with a particular name on the list.
@Tarpeys: interesting MHS is always a dark horse due to a tight knit group, but where are the experienced players going to come from? Unless you going back to post matric or bringing in players like Hilton. Glenwood are going to miss their lock who was poached by them…
@kcob. Mark my words, Michaelhouse number one 2014. Looking forward to welcoming Kearsney on Meadows without the Doops factor even though we disposed of them with the Doops in 2012 and the same with college with the Kriel factor. They’ll be driven by the hurt of this season, particularly the two Hilton matches. I think the backlash will be huge. There’s also a possibility of an exciting coach taking over which might give them the added impetus and create excitement in the school in general. 2014 can’t come quickly enough.
Potential Glenwood squad 2014. No doubt there will be some new arrivals unfortunately…..lacking at lock, again!
1 Prop Kenny Van Niekerk
2 Prop Percy Mngadi
3 Prop Koos Tredoux
4 Lock Kevin du Randt
5 No8 Jaco Coetzee
6 Scrumhalf Khanyile
7 Flyhalf Curtis Jonas
8 Wing Spam Ncgobo
9 Fullback Morne Joubert
10 Wing J. COETZEE (GW)
11 Prop D. HORACK (GW)
12 Scrumhalf J. DU PREEZ (GW)
13 Hooker R. COHEN (GW)
14 Lock K. BLOSE (GW)
15 Lock H. VICTOR (GW)
16 Flank T. MNYANDA (GW)
17 Flank N. XABA (GW)
18 No8 B. STAPLES (GW)
19 centre D. DU RANDT (GW)
20 wing I. MUKENDI (GW)
21 fullback J. MORGAN (GW)
22 flyhalf M. HAND (GW)
23 wing Thobejane
24 wing Chris Bredell
I would love to see a 2nd team trophy, Glenwood would have won that for the past few years….
@HM: I would have Hilton above College. Illness and missing players doesn’t count, they beat College. On the points system it was KC, WV, GW, HC, College, House.
@Tarpeys: interesting choice of words; “cry”. Next years Kearsney side has only lost to GW, Westvile, College for next years side. Westville narrowly won something like 12-11 and MHS drew.
Wouldn’t right off KC next year! They have a tough fixture list though having; the following away fixtures, GW, DHS, Hilton, MHS, College.
Kearsney only have two stayers. Perhaps this is a good thing, with everyone else, being that dog-get-dog attitude. As a ex master of mine once said back in 2010 and 2011, kearsney will have an unglamorous 2014 side, but geez they have got the minerals….lets see.
@Playa: Mail me.
2013 Top 6
Kearsney
Westville
Glenwood
College
Hilton
Michaelhouse
Surely this is accurate?
2014 Top 6
Glenwood ( note the gap between 1 and 2)
College
Westville
Michaelhouse
Kearsney
Northwood
@Westers: Well, that’s why you never see me commenting or taking any notice of rankings where the teams don’t all play each other. It’s a deduction, not a science, so will always be subject to dispute, no matter how good the formula.
Sure, the teams were similar, just with KC there were not 4 of them playing against doctors orders, and others in late stages of a flu, which if you did not get, you will not know how debilitating it was. College make no excuses, nor do we easily cancel fixtures. The original KC fixture was not cancelled because they were sick, but because we could not satisfy the BokSmart provisions in the front row. No excuses, just a serious reason why an already poor method of comparison is even more flawed.
Here’s my linear view. The College team that lost to GW on Goldstones would have won that game with 15 players on the field for the duration. That team, on that day, would have beaten Westville and even possibly KC. It was that sort of day. Westville had their day, on Goldstones. Just as College could not raise themselves to that level again, I don’t think Westville could do that either. Lightning strike, and that is that, my opinion of course.
Bottom line, KC have the trophy, and that’s that. 2nd, 4th, academic. Westville looks like they have some depth, your U16 of 2012 was strong, look forward, not back. And kick a 2 x Trevor #rse to make sure you have fixtures or we will have our own little Groundhog Day.
@Westers: good point, but I did say Kearsney didn’t test themselves enough in a strong year, so we don’t really know how good they were. Glenwood lost to them in early season away from home in the last minute, granted the Doops didn’t play. However I think if the game was played mid season at Glenwood it might have been a different result. Too many ifs, buts and maybe’s. Without a number of top clashes maybe no winner should be appointed. However with 2 SA schools players Kearsney edge it in my opinion….
@Grasshopper: Stop moving the goalposts.
Not disputing who Glenwood played. Trying to understand your logic for supporting Kearsney (who probably only played 4 in the Top 50) yet you used to give Roger such stick for the same thing. You guys even got a cup named after you.
@Westers: which 4, Outeniqua, Paarl Gim…..Grey PE? PBHS? The later 2 are borderline, 2 top 10 yes. Glenwood played 3 of the top 4!
So many outside factors affect a result, weather, pitch conditions, referee, passion, preparedness, previous workload, injuries, interschool history, importance of game to Old Boys, home vs away, time of day, mental state….the list goes on and on, this is why no ranking can compare sides on an apples vs apples basis or try to correlate results. The super15 shows on any given day any of the sides could beat each other, the teams that are more consistent end up tops….
@Grasshopper: You are now reverting to your KES logic. You are saying that more credit should be given for playing Top 20 teams. That’s why I am questioning your rating of Kearsney.
For info, Westville played 4 sides in the Top 20.
@Gungets Tuft: Agreed you can never draw direct comparisons. But isn’t that what rankings and ratings are trying to do. I don’t know all the College players but I remember thinking the side was not that different in the two games. Playing at home does also count for something and College played Westville on Goldstones and Kearsney away.
@Gungets Tuft: I hope you’re right. Either way, we”ll hang in there.
You guys must just stay away from Courtney Winnaar
@Playa: You might not be losing as many players as you thought. Take heart.
Glenwood season was not a great one results-wise, however playing 7 top 20 schools, winning 1 against Paarl Boys is a very tough schedule. The Paarl Boys win was the highlight, scoring a few good tries against Paarl Gim and clicking into gear against Selborne was also a highlight. Doing the double on College in the 150th year is a personal highlight. One could also argue the KZN game of the decade was played at Goldstones. Take the 7 Top 20 sides out of the mix and the season looks great (aka KES prior to 2011). That is exactly why Westville”s results look so good, they only tested themselves against 2 big schools in Paarl Gim and Kwaggas early in the season losing both. For me Glenwood should be given credit for taking on these powerhouses but for me we need to drop 3 of them and go for closer opposition instead eg PBHS, KES, Jeppe or Grey PE.
Played: 20
Won: 11
Win %: 55%
Points for: 581
Points against: 473
No Team Home or Away Date Points For Points Against W/L/D Top 20
1 Kearsney A 2013/03/16 25 26 L Yes
2 Garsfontein Pukke 2013/03/21 26 48 L Yes
3 HTS Drostdy Pukke 2013/03/23 31 34 L No
4 Framesby Pukke 2013/03/25 26 24 W No
5 Paul Roos Kearsney 2013/03/28 10 15 L No
6 Selborne College Kearsney 2013/03/30 41 5 W No
7 Paarl Gim Kearsney 2013/04/01 12 40 L Yes
8 Pinetown A 2013/04/13 82 0 W No
9 Michaelhouse A 2013/04/20 36 5 W No
10 Boland Landbou Wildeklawer 2013/05/02 36 13 W No
11 Paarl Boys Wildeklawer 2013/05/04 17 15 W Yes
12 Hilton H 2013/05/11 21 9 W No
13 DHS A 2013/05/18 46 14 W No
14 College (150th) A 2013/05/25 44 40 W No
15 Monument (Old Boys) H 2013/06/01 20 26 L Yes
16 Northwood A 2013/06/08 33 11 W No
17 George Campbell A 2013/06/15 12 13 L No
18 Affies H 2013/07/27 23 53 L Yes
19 College H 2013/08/03 33 15 W No
20 Grey Bloem A 2013/08/09 7 67 L Yes
581 473 7
@star:
Dont laugh at another man’s wound.We’ll be alright…maybe cross the Limpopo River and get some Zim stock 
Tough retaining players down in the Border.
@Westers: There was no comparison between the College played those same 5 days apart, so your comparion is flawed from the start. Take the victory, it’s in the book, but linear comparisons are generally a pox, this one more so.
Don’t rule out Michaelhouse next year. That title could be going back to Balgowan. Kearsney needs to enjoy and then cry because those doops are gone and let’s face it, they were big for Kearsney for 3 years. 8)
@star: Nope, not against the wall at all. Kearsney did not test themselves enough unfortunately, especially with probably their best side ever. I agree like KES they should not be top10 ranking if they have not played many top10 but fairly are around mid teens in SA, Westville maybe around 17th and Glenwood around 20th baed on pure results. However, considering Glenwood played about 8 teams in the Top 20 their fixture list is by far the toughest so should be ahead of Westville due to workload and some big scalps like Paarl Boys. What was Westville’s biggest scalp?
@Pedantic: Or you could say Glenwood and Kearsney dodged Westville in order to get the number 1 and 2 spots.
Next year will be very interesting. I wouldn’t write Westville up a favourites. Through the age groups next years matrics have won and lost against College and Glenwood. This years U16s have had mixed results as well. Let’s hope weather and public holidays do not screw up next years fixture list.
@ Playa- Had to stir things up a bit.
We have got Grassy up against the wall at the moment 
I believe some Border GK boys are heading our( KZN) way. I think they might be from your neck of the woods.
By the way congrats on you know who. I am sure he will grow with the experience( if that is possible 
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@ Pedantic-” managed to dodge”- are you saying we now control the weather and have the mental capacity to force GW to withdraw the fixture.
@Westers: Please post all of Westville’s results from this year and we can analyse it…I’ll do the same for Glenwood. Also, just a point no ranking system is correct, so by basing your argument on that it’s flawed already.
@RBugger: It is all ifs and buts. You are right about Westville at KERF. Kearsney would probably have beaten them at that time. However, through the rest of the season Westville did not lose another game and contrary to what they have done in previous years, they did seem to get stronger, culminating with a big victory on Goldstones against College. Admittedly College were coming back from a flu epidemic the weekend prior but College will not make that an excuse.
I did watch Kearsney play College (with the Doops and all their other top players) the week after Westville had beaten them. If I compare the way the two sides played against College 5 days apart, Westville looked the far better team. And as Star pointed out, it is a long time since Kearsney won on Bowdens.
It is a great pity they didn’t get to play as it would have been a cracker of a game. And fair dues to Kearsney. They did have a good side this year with some of standout players.
@star: I believe this post is about the top KZN Rugby school – Westville managed to dodge arguably the two best schools in the province (KC & GW), can we realistically say that they deserve the number 1 spot ?
Nah .. didn’t think so
2014 will more than likely be Westville’s year … unless GW or MC spring a surprise.
LONG LIVE THE KZN HANDBAGS, LONG LIVE!!!
@STAR:
I am a PBHS old boy but live in the area and have become a fan of KC – I obviously watch them more often than any other school.
My point about Paarl Boys, is that Gim gave them a good hiding, as they did to all teams – therefore, KC getting a hiding from Gim is nothing to be embarrassed about or cannot be a reference on how good or bad they are.
I honestly think Westville would be 2 ahead of GW – but having watched Westville at the festival, I just do not believe they possessed enough power, especially in the pack, to beat KC…
@ Gungets- I agree with you re the lead dog. The question is then why have a runners up. And if you do get it right as it then casts a cloud over the whole process.
@ Westers- KES played 5 in the top 20 as opposed to Kearsney’s 1. Roger will eat Grassy alive when he tries to attack KES’s credentials when he has blatantly ignored the same argument in the case of Kearsney.
@RBugger- aren’t you an ex PBHS boy. I played GW back in 1977 and so the reference is lost on me. I am also not sure why you brought up Paarl Boy as neither Kearsney nor Westville played them. Let me give based on the SAschools rankingss the top 7 opponents of Kearsney
1 Paarl Gym 2 Home
2 Hilton 22 Home
3 MHS 28 Home
4 GW 32 Home
5 Framesby 44 Home
6 Boland Land 64 Home
7 College 68 Home
In a nutshell therefore Kearsney played 1 top 20 team, there were no significant victories and of the of the top 7 teams played Kearsney had HOME ground advantage. I suppose some may say that is deserving of No 1 position, others are entitled to argue otherwise. Another question could be who did they play away from HOME. Possibly NW ranked in the 90’s.
Awards should be based on facts and not “ifs” and ” could have, should have” Also remember another important fact. Kearsney have not won on Bowdens for over a decade. Maybe playing away from home would have come as a rude surprize
@Pedantic: Inclined to agree there. Anyone remember who came second last year?
As they say “if you are not the lead dog …. “
@WESTERS@STAR:
Your guys comments remind me of the Glenwood supporters of old! KC is number 1 in KZN, and yes, it is very well deserved…
They got thrashed by Paarl Gim – who has not been thrashed by Paarl Gim? Against both Paarl Boys and Outenique, they dominated to the point where they gave in a little towards the end of both games!
KC on the other hand, held their own through the first half and well into the second half. Bear in mind, only one DOOP played in this game and he was not yet fit – I can’t help but feel if they were both fit the game may have been closer.
If Westville lost Reece-Mchardy and Ellse, you guys would also struggle as these players are very influential in your particular team.
I am more than certain KC would have beaten Westville – probably by 8-12 points! The way Schramm and the Doops came to form, to me, Westville would not have had an answer.
KC number 1, no doubt
@Grasshopper: Use the same logic you always put up when arguing with Roger about KES not playing any credible opposition but still being ranked so highly in previous years. As Star rightly point out, the only Top 20 opposition Kearsney played beat them comprehensively. Why are you not putting forward the same argument now?
Good stuff Kearsney – Well done
some interesting points brought up about top rugby school in Kzn as opposed to Top First team in Kzn
My feelings were that Westville would shade Glenwood with GW having some highs (Paarl Boys) and lows (GC) – anyway happy to have my old school sitting at 2nd
Next year will be a clanger of note in Kzn
@ Grassy- The overall winning margin I referred to were games they in common with GW. Therefore Paarl Gym is already included and the balance of the season is also irrelevant. The reason I raise it is because of the extent of it ie 300%. Now if that is not deserving I do not know what is. You also state we did not play the 2 top sides. Well Kearsney did not play us so it would be more appropriate to say 1 when comparing notes.( and again out of our control). You say well deserved and no one can really argue. Well according to SA School rankings Kearsney played 1 team in the top 20 and got thrashed( at home). The top victories were Hilton, GW and Boland Landbou which are all well outside the top 20 and all were played with home ground advantage. Without bringing up all the counter arguments on a previous blog the point is simply it was not clear cut and if I was a Kearsney supporter I would want a credible process and the respect of a worthy contender. Is that not what old school values are all about?
Well done Kearsney, well deserved! No one can really argue against it. Westville had a good season but unfortunately not playing the other top 2 sides affected their chances of being crowned champs. The Westville bloggers go on about bigger winning margins etc, but their season was much easier just starting with 2 tough games at Kearsney. Glenwood lost by a smaller margin to Paarl Gim as a counter argument. 2014 could be Westville’s year if they play everyone….
@Pedantic: Laat hy val waar hy wil. Congrats
@star: No one cares about 2nd or 3rd .. the winners are all that matters – and well deserved
@Westers: Technically Westville isn’t even in KZN!
No wait! I might be thinking of Kokstad
Star, think you are right. Perhaps they were filming it for an episode of Comedy Central.
MHS won it last year and when they played Westville they only won 2 games. So yes it is based on 1st team results. Asseblief Grey Tjoppie
Star please read the heading “top rugby school in KZN for 2013”. Not top 1st team or top u/14 c team. It awarded the top RUGBY SCHOOL. Asseblief man.
Wow a bit of credibility gone there. It seems the people who select the CW teams are the same people who adjudicate on this award. How on earth can GW be runners up. They have lost twice locally( once to a tier 2 school) and the unbeaten Westville has almost a 300% better overall points differential. From Gungets to BHP to SASchools Westvile is ranked ahead of GW. Also MC should surely be below Hilton.( with all due respect)
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