Rankings for the week ending 11 May 2024

11 May, 2024 beet Top 50 Rankings 39

Rankings powered by a version of The BHP formula

Change made on 12/05/2024 – Trio upgraded to Cat 3.5

# SCHOOL REG AVG P W D L PF PA PD CP LP WP TTL AVG LAST 8 GAMES
1 1 Paul Roos WP 4.78 9 9 0 0 339 130 209 39.0 0.0 4.0 43.0 4.78 W W W W W W W W
2 2 Paarl Gim WP 4.70 10 9 0 1 357 162 195 39.0 4.0 4.0 47.0 4.70 W W W L W W W W
3 3 Affies BUL 4.61 9 7 0 2 307 180 127 30.5 8.0 3.0 41.5 4.61 W L W W L W W W
4 4 Grey College FS 4.57 10 9 0 1 443 121 322 38.5 3.6 3.6 45.7 4.57 W L W W W W W W
5 5 HJS Paarl BH WP 4.10 11 7 0 4 322 238 84 30.5 11.6 3.0 45.1 4.10 W W W L L L W L
6 6 Durban HS KZN 3.96 11 8 1 2 281 94 187 31.0 11.6 1.0 43.6 3.96 W W W D W W W L
7 9 Monument LIO 3.89 10 6 0 4 347 273 74 24.5 12.0 2.4 38.9 3.89 W W L W L L W W
8 8 Oakdale SWD 3.83 9 6 0 3 235 193 42 24.5 7.8 2.2 34.5 3.83 W W W L W W L L
9 10 Rondebosch WP 3.82 11 7 0 4 311 208 103 27.5 12.3 2.2 42.0 3.82 W W L L W W W L
10 12 Jeppe LIO 3.76 13 9 0 4 448 261 187 35.5 10.8 2.6 48.9 3.76 W W W L L W W W
11 11 EG Jansen VAL 3.74 14 12 0 2 560 222 338 45.5 6.8 0.0 52.3 3.74 W W L W W L W W
12 15 Waterkloof BUL 3.68 11 10 0 1 461 279 182 38.5 2.0 0.0 40.5 3.68 L W W W W W W W
13 14 Hilton KZN 3.66 10 7 0 3 305 169 136 27.0 9.6 0.0 36.6 3.66 W W W W W W L W
14 7 Wynberg WP 3.63 9 6 1 2 310 176 134 24.0 7.6 1.1 32.7 3.63 W W W W D W L L
15 22 Boland Landbou WP 3.41 11 7 0 4 325 232 93 27.5 8.8 1.2 37.5 3.41 L W L W W L L W
16 16 Garsfontein BUL 3.37 7 1 0 6 191 237 -46 4.5 18.7 0.4 23.6 3.37 W L L L L L L
17 17 Michaelhouse KZN 3.37 10 6 0 4 250 198 52 24.5 9.2 0.0 33.7 3.37 W L L W W W W L
18 21 Westville KZN 3.36 12 7 0 5 330 266 64 27.0 12.1 1.2 40.3 3.36 W L L W L W W W
19 20 Noordheuwel LIO 3.33 17 15 0 2 629 290 339 53.0 3.6 0.0 56.6 3.33 W W W W W W W W
20 19 Helpmekaar LIO 3.33 11 6 0 5 340 254 86 23.0 12.6 1.0 36.6 3.33 L W W L W W L W
21 18 KES LIO 3.31 9 7 0 2 377 171 206 26.0 3.0 0.8 29.8 3.31 L L W W W W W W
22 13 Northwood KZN 3.21 8 5 1 2 232 116 116 18.0 7.7 0.0 25.7 3.21 W W W D L W W L
23 26 Stellenberg WP 3.20 10 3 0 7 240 232 8 12.0 19.4 0.6 32.0 3.20 L L L L W W L W
24 23 SACS WP 3.19 11 6 0 5 259 261 -2 23.0 10.9 1.2 35.1 3.19 W L W W L L W L
25 24 Charlie Hofmeyr BOL 3.17 9 9 0 0 290 123 167 28.5 0.0 0.0 28.5 3.17 W W W W W W W W
26 25 Framesby EP 3.13 10 6 0 4 305 234 71 21.0 10.3 0.0 31.3 3.13 W L W L L W L W
27 28 Grey HS EP 3.12 10 6 1 3 247 132 115 21.5 9.7 0.0 31.2 3.12 L W L D L W W W
28 31 Kingswood EP 3.07 10 7 1 2 305 159 146 27.7 3.0 0.0 30.7 3.07 W L D L W W W W
29 27 Selborne BOR 3.05 8 5 0 3 271 144 127 16.5 7.9 0.0 24.4 3.05 W L W W L W L W
30 32 Maritzburg College KZN 3.04 12 7 0 5 307 255 52 26.0 9.5 1.0 36.5 3.04 W W W L W L L W
31 29 Outeniqua SWD 3.02 9 4 0 5 255 259 -4 15.0 11.6 0.6 27.2 3.02 L W W L W W L L
32 30 Milnerton WP 3.02 11 9 0 2 393 189 204 30.5 2.7 0.0 33.2 3.02 W W W W W W W W
33 36 Drostdy BOL 2.91 9 6 0 3 244 268 -24 22.5 2.6 1.1 26.2 2.91 W L W W W L W W
34 35 Welkom Gim GRF 2.90 11 7 1 3 306 302 4 28.7 3.2 0.0 31.9 2.90 L L W W W W W D
35 34 Queen’s BOR 2.89 11 7 0 4 322 164 158 23.0 8.8 0.0 31.8 2.89 W W W W W W L L
36 38 Nico Malan EP 2.78 11 7 0 4 300 245 55 24.0 6.6 0.0 30.6 2.78 W W W W W L L W
37 37 Kearsney KZN 2.69 11 3 0 8 212 289 -77 10.0 19.4 0.2 29.6 2.69 L L L L L L L L
38 40 Diamantveld GRQ 2.63 12 9 0 3 416 228 188 29.5 2.0 0.0 31.5 2.63 W W L W W W W W
39 33 Menlopark BUL 2.59 9 5 0 4 276 223 53 16.5 6.8 0.0 23.3 2.59 W W W L W L L L
40 43 Voortrekker (Beth) GRF 2.53 11 6 1 4 249 208 41 22.2 5.6 0.0 27.8 2.53 W L W L W W L W
41 42 St Andrew’s EP 2.49 10 5 0 5 249 251 -2 16.5 8.4 0.0 24.9 2.49 L L L L W W L W
42 45 St Charles KZN 2.47 9 6 0 3 266 179 87 19.0 3.2 0.0 22.2 2.47 L L W W L W W W
43 44 Pretoria BH BUL 2.44 10 3 0 7 196 327 -131 10.0 14.2 0.2 24.4 2.44 L W L W L L W L
44 41 Marais Viljoen LIO 2.44 11 8 0 3 260 241 19 25.0 1.8 0.0 26.8 2.44 W W W W L W L L
45 39 Nelspruit PUM 2.40 13 6 0 7 375 400 -25 20.5 10.7 0.0 31.2 2.40 W W L W L W L L
46 48 Rustenburg LEO 2.37 12 5 1 6 329 324 5 19.2 9.2 0.0 28.4 2.37 L L W L W W W L
47 46 Pearson EP 2.34 9 4 0 5 247 171 76 13.5 7.6 0.0 21.1 2.34 W L L L W W L L
48 51 St John’s LIO 2.31 8 4 1 3 248 208 40 12.5 6.0 0.0 18.5 2.31 W D L W L L W W
49 49 Glenwood KZN 2.30 11 3 0 8 173 251 -78 9.5 15.8 0.0 25.3 2.30 L L L W L L L L
50 52 Durbanville WPB 2.29 9 1 0 8 170 331 -161 4.0 16.4 0.2 20.6 2.29 L L L L L L W L

39 Comments

  1. avatar
    #39 Smallies

    @Snelvuur (Comment #38)
    Ja hy het maar gesukkel met die beserings ….en ja volgens my is die Sharks ook waar jong talent begrawe word

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    13 May, 2024 at 19:46
  2. avatar
    #38 Snelvuur

    @Kaya 85 (Comment #36)
    As Smallies said, he’s now Vice-Captain of the u20s. Scored a great try vs Argentina on Sunday. He’s still a phenomenal talent – just think he’s wasted at the Sharks. He could easily get Varsity Cup exposure if he goes to a union that participates in it.@Smallies (Comment #37)
    He’s had some injury troubles, but seems to have toughened up. Think consistent rugby would be great for him.

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    13 May, 2024 at 19:44
  3. avatar
    #37 Smallies

    @Kaya 85 (Comment #36)
    Playd for SA u 20 in Aussie this weekend at the rugby championship….aparantly he’s no longer injured🤣🤣🤣

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    13 May, 2024 at 19:04
  4. avatar
    #36 Kaya 85

    @Snelvuur (Comment #33)
    Where is Jorenzo Julius these days? …he should declare for Namibia and get a RWC out of it…

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    13 May, 2024 at 18:44
  5. avatar
    #35 Kantman

    @PRondersteuner (Comment #34)
    Daardie Bishops span was warm! Jammer ons kon hulle en die 2020 span (selfs ‘n beter span) nooit regtig in aksie sien nie.

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    13 May, 2024 at 18:03
  6. avatar
    #34 PRondersteuner

    @Snelvuur (Comment #33)
    Jy is reg ja. Ek het vergeet dat daar 2 wedstryde gespeel was 2021. PRG het teen Bishops en Gim weg verloor

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    13 May, 2024 at 13:35
  7. avatar
    #33 Snelvuur

    @PRondersteuner (Comment #32)
    Die uitsondering is 2021, as ek dit nie mis het nie. In daardie baie kort middel-Covid seisoen het Gim in die Paarl gewen. Jurenzo Julius het in daardie wedstryd nog ‘n mooi drie van heelagter af gedruk.

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    13 May, 2024 at 12:32
  8. avatar
    #32 PRondersteuner

    Vanaf 2018 was die besoekers die wenners tussen Gim en PRG. 2018 PRG in Paarl, 2019 Gim in Stellenbosch, 2022 PRG in Paarl en 2023 Gim in Stellenbosch

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    13 May, 2024 at 10:53
  9. avatar
    #31 Smallies

    @Pypkan (Comment #29)
    Selborne het n trotse rugby kultuur en was op n tyd gemaklik jaarliks een van die top 5 skole in die land ….

    ReplyReply
    13 May, 2024 at 09:57
  10. avatar
    #30 Kaya 85

    @Pypkan (Comment #27)
    Thank you, Gim edges it

    ReplyReply
    13 May, 2024 at 09:47
  11. avatar
    #29 Pypkan

    @SNELVUUR

    Nextgenxv het ‘n wonderlike funksie beskikbaar gehad waar jy enige twee skole se kompetisiegeskiedenis kon nagaan. Ek het toevallig so drie weke gelede dit gedoen. Nou is daardie funksie vir een of ander rede nie beskikbaar nie.
    Moet sê daar was skole met baie vollediger resultate as ander. Maar Gim en Boishaai kon mens bv. naspoor tot 1915. Gim het baie minder wedstryde teen PRG gespeel as wat Boishaai teen PRG gespeel het. En vanaf 1986 tot 1991 was daar bv. geen wedstryde tussen die twee skole nie. Deon het op ‘n kol van die
    onmin melding gemaak wat oënskynlik die rede daarvoor was.
    Interessant is dat Gim se “head-to-head” resultate voor geen ander skool buig nie (vir 3 of meer wedstryde teen mekaar gespeel), behalwe GCB en een ander skool. Vir my, verrassend, is daardie ander skool Selborne College.
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    13 May, 2024 at 08:55
  12. avatar
    #28 Snelvuur

    @Pypkan (Comment #27)
    Het PRG en Gim nog net 26 keer teen mekaar gespeel in die afgelope 39 jaar? Sukkel om dit te glo, maar ek het nie die volle rekords nie. Van 2009 af was daar 15 wedstryde tussen die skole (daar was in 2012 twee en in 2020 geen weens Covid). Van die 15 het PRG 5 gewen en Gim 9, met een gelykop (in 2012). Gegrond op hierdie uitslae, moet Gim gewoonlik die gunsteling wees. PRG het egter ‘n verbasend goeie rekord op die JA Kriel: hulle het in 2014, 2018 en 2022 daar gewen en in 2016 naelskraaps verloor.

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    12 May, 2024 at 22:41
  13. avatar
    #27 Pypkan

    (COMMENT #23)

    Kaya, since 1985 Gim won 15, PRG 10, 1 draw.
    ReplyReply
    12 May, 2024 at 21:32
  14. avatar
    #26 OomPB

    @Snelvuur (Comment #20)
    Gim in die Paarl gaan moeiliker wees as Grey in Bloem. PRG secgroot toets.

    ReplyReply
    12 May, 2024 at 15:11
  15. avatar
    #25 beet

    Small change to the rankings published on 11/05/2024 –
    Trio upgraded to Cat 3.5.
    This obviously improved the average points of all school that have played and beat Trio.

    ReplyReply
    12 May, 2024 at 13:38
  16. avatar
    #24 Kaya 85

    @Deon (Comment #21)
    I don’t see them losing to Oakdale, Stellenberg or Boland Landbou, as tough as those teams are…
    But agreed, certainly no shame if they were to lose. None at all.

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    12 May, 2024 at 13:13
  17. avatar
    #23 Kaya 85

    @Snelvuur (Comment #20)
    Do you have, or do you know where to find the PR v Gim head to head results of the last 10 – 20 years? Who is favorite this year? …and who are usually favorites?

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    12 May, 2024 at 13:12
  18. avatar
    #22 agter_die_pale_pa

    @OUD ANKER (Comment #14)
    As ek moet wed sou dit myne ook wees, in daardie volgorde.

    1 GCB
    2 PG
    3 PRG
    4 Affies

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    12 May, 2024 at 12:57
  19. avatar
    #21 Deon

    @Snelvuur (Comment #20)
    Dit sou nie vergesogd, skande of ‘n opskudding wees indien PRG al hulle oorblywende wedstryde behalwe Bishops verloor nie. Gim, Grey, Wynberg, Boland LS, Oakdale LS, Stellenberg is almal groot hindernisse.

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    12 May, 2024 at 11:38
  20. avatar
    #20 Snelvuur

    Sien baie uit vir volgende Saterdag! Gim is ‘n baie taai toffie, veral in die Paarl. PRG het, weens beserings, ‘n heel eksperimentele span (sonder hulle eerstekeuse 2, 9, 10, 11, 12 en 14) teen SACS gespeel. Die baldraers in die pak was steeds goed, maar hulle gaan op volsterkte (en firing on all cylinders) moet wees om die mas teen Gim op te kom.

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    12 May, 2024 at 10:28
  21. avatar
    #19 Kantman

    Numbers 1-5 all play each other this year. Six games have been played, with two coming up this Saturday. For all of them I think each game is important as an individual clash, but as a whole it also matters in how their season will be remembered. So far it is:
    PRG: 2/2
    Grey: 2/2
    Gim: 1/2
    Affies: 1/3
    HJS: 0/3

    In 2023 it was:
    Grey: 4/4
    Gim: 3/4
    PRG: 2/4
    HJS: 1/4
    Affies: 0/4

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    12 May, 2024 at 09:46
  22. avatar
    #18 Deon

    @Smallies (Comment #17)
    Soos ek geskryf het, “many years”. Jy is welkom om die PRG om te ruil met die GCB, ek gee nie om nie, gaan oor die beginsel.

    ReplyReply
    12 May, 2024 at 09:05
  23. avatar
    #17 Smallies

    @Deon (Comment #16)
    Se die ou wie se skool in 2018 deur grey gewhitewash is

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    12 May, 2024 at 08:57
  24. avatar
    #16 Deon

    @IanC (Comment #6)
    Keep in mind that the example you chose, Garsfontein is one of the most difficult to gauge long term as they conjure up new players from afar solely to play first team at awkward ages. Have a look at the article by beet comparing the GCB first team vs the Garsfontein first team, a Garsie attribute that seems to be changing now. That while the other big rugby schools have always had, over 100 years or so, a massive % hostel schoolboys from say Namibia etc. who do not even play rugby but attend without bursary for reasons very different than sport, which I DOUBT is the case at Garsies.

    The formula by BHP is the best I believe, but is not the same one bookies will use to bet, as, for instance, it does not take into account travelling, altitude (as bookies, top athletes do and as the top 5 sports science institutes internationally do), injuries etc.

    Also, the ranking is not a SBR ranking but only a first team ranking. SBR rankings in its purest form will measure depth across all teams, and many years (not sure about 2024), big dogs like GCB and Garsies completely fail in that regard, while Affies and PRG do not.

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    12 May, 2024 at 08:41
  25. avatar
    #15 Deon

    I like the way BHP’s ranking works for first teams and think BHP’s rating is the best in the business,and giving a specific weight to a specific tier of schools. @IanC, Garsfontein, your example, just losing to a top tier team must have more weight than Garsfontein beating a low tier team. Garsfontein beat Jeppe, and Jeppe beat Grey College, and Garsfontein lost by very small margins to many top teams. So, it makes sense, as long as the formula is applied consistently.

    Based on what I have seen so far, my ranking would be, with teams sharing spots:

    1) Paarl Gimnasium
    2) GCB
    3) Affies/PRG
    4) Boland Landbou/DHS/Paarl HJS.

    If it is about depth, the entire school, true SBR, SBR in its purest and most important form:

    1) PRG
    2) Paarl Gim
    3) Affies
    4) Paarl HJS

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    12 May, 2024 at 08:21
  26. avatar
    #14 OUD ANKER

    @Smallies (Comment #13)
    My subjektiewe top 4 is, Grey, Gim, Roos, Affies.

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    12 May, 2024 at 08:01
  27. avatar
    #13 Smallies

    @Kaya 85 (Comment #12)
    I’m not really a mathematitian or a statistician but In my mind a top 4 in the following order makes more sense
    1PRG
    2 Grey
    3 PG
    4 Affies
    Based solely on who played who and lost to who

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    12 May, 2024 at 07:15
  28. avatar
    #12 Kaya 85

    @IanC (Comment #6)
    In my view, the more accurate ranking is the one Beet sometimes posts at the end of the season where it combines the 4 or 5 main Ranking blogs’ rankings….they are all subjective in different ways…but when put together seem the most valid.

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    12 May, 2024 at 07:05
  29. avatar
    #11 Kaya 85

    @Kantman (Comment #9)
    I’m thinking Affies have a very good chance of downing Grey next week…
    And I’m also thinking Gim can take PR…
    But I wouldn’t bet on it…it would tarnish SBR imo….

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    12 May, 2024 at 07:01
  30. avatar
    #10 beet

    @tompirracas (Comment #7)
    110% agree. In this ranking as much as its referred to as a formula, it is part based on subjective categories and it does not take all the circumstances that influence results into account. Venue and weather being two obvious ones.

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    11 May, 2024 at 21:46
  31. avatar
    #9 Kantman

    @Kaya 85 (Comment #5)
    The list suggest Grey will beat Affies away – I like the odds of that.
    Also PRG to beat PG away – possible, but probability (odds) would be interesting.

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    11 May, 2024 at 21:42
  32. avatar
    #8 beet

    @IanC (Comment #6)
    Howzit. A good part of the calculation is based on a tried and trusted formula explained if you click on the sidebar to the right heading:
    BHP Ranking Formula Explained Here.
    The other part is a work in progress but to be transparent each ranked schools points per game has been included in the formbook above in the grey row below the results.
    Garsfontein – very competitive 1st XV, almost exclusively playing strong opponents and losing by narrow margins in some of those big games.
    Same can be said of HJS Paarl BH.
    A measure is that HJS beat Oakdale 1st team by 9 points and the team in 25th spot just beat Oakdale 2nd team by one point. I won’t commit to saying its a good measure because if you follow schoolboy rugby for even just one season, you will realise that teams tend to be erratic and that there are numerous cases of school A beating school B, B beating school C and then C beating A. Amongst the biggest complaints coaches have week in, week out, is that they players either don’t listen or just do their own thing in opposition to what they practiced on the training ground. :-D

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    11 May, 2024 at 21:35
  33. avatar
    #7 tompirracas

    @IanC (Comment #6)

    You get some credit if you lose a game. Garsfontein have played 7 very strong sides. They also lost to Affies, Paarl Boys, Oakdale and Stellenberg by 7 points or less so maybe get credit for that, am not sure.

    I agree it does look a bit strange. A quirk of the system I suppose.

    Charlie Hofmeyr play a weaker fixture list/circuit so don’t get as much credit for their wins. They’re doing great at the moment.

    It’s all explained in an April 2017 post on here. Put BHP Ranking Formula Explanation in the search box and you’ll see it.

    I don’t think any of the various rankings are perfect.

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    11 May, 2024 at 21:27
  34. avatar
    #6 IanC

    As a newcomer to your site (thank you much appreciated for your efforts), I need to understand how you get to these rankings, because they do not in the slightest make any sense to me. I have tried to analyse how you are getting to these positions but it’s not making sense.
    Take Garsfontein for instance, sitting in 16th in the country, who have played 7 but lost 6. These guys should be in the 50th position!
    Or HJS Paarl BH who have played 11 and lost 4, and sitting in 5th in the cowntree.
    How do Garsfontein as an example sit in 16th above sides who have played 8 or 9 only losing 1 or 2 matches but sitting in 25th (played 9 and unbeaten) or 28th (played 10 drawn 1 lost 2). Please explain?

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    11 May, 2024 at 21:01
  35. avatar
    #5 Kaya 85

    @Kantman (Comment #4)
    Depends who you are backing and against who?

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    11 May, 2024 at 20:34
  36. avatar
    #4 Kantman

    @Kaya 85 (Comment #3)
    Watse odds gee jy, sou ek ‘n gambling man wees?

    ReplyReply
    11 May, 2024 at 20:05
  37. avatar
    #3 Kaya 85

    1. Grey
    2. Paul Roos
    3. Paarl Gim
    4. Affies

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    11 May, 2024 at 20:03
  38. avatar
    #2 Kantman

    @agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #1)
    1vs2; 3vs4 …

    ReplyReply
    11 May, 2024 at 20:00
  39. avatar
    #1 agter_die_pale_pa

    18 Mei…

    ReplyReply
    11 May, 2024 at 19:43

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