Same scoring system as the Tjampions League but this time only looking at how the schools performed against other schools from their respective regions and as listed on the tables below.
MP = 4 for a win, 2 for a draw. BP = 1 based on the score margin, if 10 or greater, than to winner or if less than 10 then to loser.
| # | EASTERN CAPE | P | W | D | L | PF | PA | PD | MP | BP | Pts | Avg |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Grey HS | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 191 | 90 | 101 | 24 | 3 | 27 | 4.50 |
| 2 | Marlow | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 105 | 91 | 14 | 12 | 2 | 14 | 3.50 |
| 3 | Selborne | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 113 | 101 | 12 | 16 | 1 | 17 | 3.40 |
| 4 | Framesby | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 94 | 68 | 26 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 3.33 |
| 5 | Die Brandwag | 5 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 150 | 101 | 49 | 12 | 4 | 16 | 3.20 |
| 6 | Queens | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 131 | 108 | 23 | 12 | 5 | 17 | 2.83 |
| 7 | St Andrews | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 121 | 133 | -12 | 14 | 1.5 | 15.5 | 2.58 |
| 8 | Nico Malan | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 132 | 133 | -1 | 10 | 2.5 | 12.5 | 2.50 |
| 9 | Dale | 5 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 85 | 111 | -26 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 1.40 |
| 10 | Graeme | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 49 | 64 | -15 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 1.00 |
| 11 | Daniel Pienaar | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 36 | 89 | -53 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.33 |
| 12 | Kingswood | 5 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 69 | 187 | -118 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| # | KWAZULU-NATAL | P | W | D | L | PF | PA | PD | MP | BP | Pts | Avg |
| 1 | Kearsney | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 225 | 36 | 189 | 20 | 4 | 24 | 4.80 |
| 2 | Westville | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 192 | 37 | 155 | 20 | 4 | 24 | 4.80 |
| 3 | Glenwood | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 205 | 105 | 100 | 20 | 5 | 25 | 4.17 |
| 4 | Hilton | 8 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 219 | 102 | 117 | 24 | 6 | 30 | 3.75 |
| 5 | M. College | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 188 | 125 | 63 | 16 | 5 | 21 | 3.50 |
| 6 | Michaelhouse | 7 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 123 | 181 | -58 | 8 | 3 | 11 | 1.57 |
| 7 | George Campbell | 5 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 57 | 173 | -116 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 1.00 |
| 8 | St Charles | 6 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 56 | 185 | -129 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 0.83 |
| 9 | DHS | 6 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 62 | 235 | -173 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 0.83 |
| 10 | Northwood | 8 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 97 | 245 | -148 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 0.63 |
| # | NOORDVAAL | P | W | D | L | PF | PA | PD | MP | BP | Pts | Avg |
| 1 | Affies | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 101 | 42 | 59 | 12 | 2 | 14 | 4.67 |
| 2 | Pretoria BH | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 80 | 50 | 30 | 10 | 1.5 | 11.5 | 3.83 |
| 3 | Menlopark | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 119 | 105 | 14 | 12 | 3 | 15 | 3.75 |
| 4 | EG Jansen | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 126 | 98 | 28 | 10 | 3.5 | 13.5 | 3.38 |
| 5 | Nelspruit | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 170 | 143 | 27 | 16 | 4 | 20 | 3.33 |
| 6 | Garsfontein | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 255 | 162 | 93 | 14 | 5.5 | 19.5 | 3.25 |
| 7 | HTS Middelburg | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 138 | 111 | 27 | 14 | 1.5 | 15.5 | 3.10 |
| 8 | Waterkloof | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 76 | 70 | 6 | 8 | 1 | 9 | 3.00 |
| 9 | Jeppe | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 148 | 76 | 72 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 2.50 |
| 10 | Centurion | 5 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 95 | 151 | -56 | 6 | 1.5 | 7.5 | 1.50 |
| 11 | Kempton Park | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 75 | 101 | -26 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 1.33 |
| 12 | KES | 5 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 83 | 136 | -53 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 1.20 |
| 13 | Monnas | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 61 | 79 | -18 | 2 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 1.17 |
| 14 | Transvalia | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 44 | 107 | -63 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.33 |
| 15 | St Albans | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 23 | 163 | -140 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 |
| # | WESTERN CAPE | P | W | D | L | PF | PA | PD | MP | BP | Pts | Avg |
| 1 | Paarl Gim | 7 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 232 | 80 | 152 | 26 | 5.5 | 31.5 | 4.50 |
| 2 | HJS Paarl BH | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 204 | 118 | 86 | 20 | 5 | 25 | 4.17 |
| 3 | Outeniqua | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 151 | 83 | 68 | 12 | 1 | 13 | 3.25 |
| 4 | Rondebosch | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 146 | 83 | 63 | 14 | 4.5 | 18.5 | 3.08 |
| 5 | Boland Landbou | 5 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 101 | 95 | 6 | 12 | 3 | 15 | 3.00 |
| 6 | Paul Roos | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 97 | 70 | 27 | 10 | 3.5 | 13.5 | 2.70 |
| 7 | Oakdale | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 54 | 80 | -26 | 6 | 1.5 | 7.5 | 1.88 |
| 8 | Wynberg | 7 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 160 | 216 | -56 | 10 | 2.5 | 12.5 | 1.79 |
| 9 | Drostdy | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 39 | 47 | -8 | 2 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 1.75 |
| 10 | SACS | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 78 | 144 | -66 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 1.67 |
| 11 | Tygerberg | 5 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 75 | 240 | -165 | 6 | 0.5 | 6.5 | 1.30 |
| 12 | Bishops | 7 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 83 | 164 | -81 | 2 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 0.50 |
@Playa: And you it seems, does not know the answer. Where is your buddie , Capeman whom you supported so strongly when he started his incorrect version of the Wynberg incident? Like him you seem to run with whatever facts suits you. Correct or not. Like they say: Everyone is entitled to his opinion. Anyway, I’m not gonna give your opinions any more headspace. It’s a waste.
@Koos Roos: You seem to have more questions than answers.As I suggested to Woltrui…spend some time and do the research.
@Queenian: Look at the statement Playa made. It would be safer to say in MY opinion Queens was a top side. But to state it as a fact from the thirties till 86. At one of two. That is a bridge too far. Schools like Bishops, Boishaai and PRG were there too. Did they beat them. If so, what were the scores? What went wrong in 86?
@Queenian: @Playa: I can vouch for that. Another is Ian Greig, brother of Tony. I believe that he played SA schools but then dropped rugby in favour of cricket. Tony himself, I believe, would have been a candidate for SA schools (at lock) but was at CW before the introduction of SA schools. And the long history between GCB and Queens? As I said, one of the most respected teams/encounters. Even if the stats is in our favour, most of the results were pretty close.
@Koos Roos: I dont think it’s fair use the number of Springboks as a yard stick of how great school teams were.Perfect example is Darryl Cullinan.Brilliant rugby player, but chose cricket after school.Plenty of talented players from the Border decided to pursue other things after school and abandoned rugby.Also, consider that 15 players can make a great team, but as individuals playing in different clubs/provinces, may not make great players.Sometimes, a great team will have a great leader, and only one or two very good players (look at the 1995 Bok team for example).
@Koos Roos: I think you must just take into account the average boy who was at Queens in the 1930/1980 period did not play rugby after school as at least half were farmers they went to the army and went home to farm after that which made a big difference or at most played in the local North East Cape or Border league in those days.
@Woltrui: Have to agree with you. That makes me the second person in SA to learn about Queens status as rugby school in the period mentioned. I allways thought one the factors which one would also consider to establish a school’s status as a rugby school over a period of time would be rhe number of Springboks produced. In Queen’s case it is 5, 1sevens player and a u 20 player. A lean harvest, considering how long they have been around and being top two between 1930’s and 1986. Schools like GCB, Paarl Gim, Bishops, Boishaai, Monnas and PRG on the other hand have consistently delivered. Grey more than anyone in the modern era. Queens did give us Darryl Cullinan though.
@BOG: Hahahaha! I can forgive him for that.It could have been worse,as he almost sent me to Queens, but an offer he couldn’t refuse took him to King,and I landed up at Dale instead.Thank goodness!
@Woltrui: Hahahahaha!
@BOG: Tell them most peoples vision goes back to about 1990 as that is when they started winning games anything before that they have blinkers on.
@Woltrui: I did not suggest that all Grey boys are angels. I said that they were sherubs, or the preferred or favoured angels. Dont insult
I only pop out for a discounted breakfast at the Spur, and Woltrui misbehaves like an aged baby. You will be surprised about the strength of Queens in the first half of the last century as well as in the 50s, 60s, 70s and even 80s. The results may favour GCB, but the margins, almost without exception, were small. In fact, and this is guessing,the stats will show that these encounters were much closer than the ones between GCB and Affies.@Woltrui: If winning 5 out of 10 is regarded as “kicking their shibits” whatever that might be, then yes. If you want to see what dominance and a pasting is, consult the rugby stats- 1953- to present (GCB vs Affies)@badboy: Dont mock old people. If your dad and uncle are who I think they are, P and younger J, then I challenge you to crack that joke with them too. Both know the 60s and you may just escape with a snotklap.@Playa: Just excuse Woltrui- he grew up in a very isolated enclave on the border of the KNP. He was only exposed to the outside world at an advanced age. Listening to you talking about your dad having to watch rugby through the fence, just serves as a reminder of a very painful period. That he did not only retain his love for the game, but obviously passed that on to you as well, says a lot for his character. You can rightfully be proud of him. His greates mistake, as far as I can see, is that he did not send you to GCB
@Playa:
You sound like my kind of guy dear sir! Must say if there were a log for the most beautiful girls. Ptown would be rated number 1
@Woltrui: Hahahaha!Playa in both regards
At least I was before marriage…now I’m neither.
No, I dont think you were disrespectful at all.I was just offering some food for thought.
There were no festivals and very few derbies with schools from other regions back then, I agree, but teams used to tour other provinces quite a lot.Dale for example used to alternate between Natal, Transvaal and Die Kaap.I know QC went up the Vaal and to the Cape quite a bit as well.However, I do agree, it would be tough to rank, but given available information, one can make an educated opinion out of who was tops.
@Playa: Dear Mr Playa(Hope it is Rugby “Playa” and not Playa as in with the girls 8). Mr Playa I have the highest regards for Queens. In my humble opinion regional teams very seldom played each other Pre 85 and it is thus impossible to claim they would have been the best in SA. Sir I do apologise if you feel my remarks were disrespectful towards Queens.
* he grew up in a Queenstown towship called Mlungisi Location.
@Woltrui: You must be the first schoolboy rugby follower I know that cannot acknowledge that, Grey Bloem and Queens were the top schools in the country pre-1985.Not every year, but certainly more times than any other 2 schools. I challenge you to go and have a look at their records between 1935 and 1986, compare that to other top schools, and schools they played against in that era.It’s a time consuming exercise, but an exercise I did, and I got newfound respect for QC. (Before BOG shoots me – I already expected GCB so the respect was there already).
Just as a matter of interest, my father, who grew up in a Queenstown used to tell me about how they watched QC-GCB games from the fence (they weren’t allowed to enter the grounds in Queenstown in the 60s.They used to save money up for a train to Bloem for the away games.As a lightie in the 90s this didnt make sense to me, as we used to give Queens a beating year in year out in the 90s. But when I read up on QC’s historical record, I realised exactly what he went on about.
@Woltrui: Sorry when did I ever call them white elitists school have never said such a thing anyway don’t know much about Klofies but I do know that Affies is a top class school.
@Queenian: Dear sir. Why do you call Affies and Klofies “white elitists schools”? 8)
@badboy: Dear Mr Badboy. If Queens won Grey Bloem it didn’t make them number 1 in the country.
By the by. Why do you call yourself Badboy. Did I misunderstood Mr Bog when he insinuated that all Grey Bloem boitjies are angels?
@badboy: Hey what you got against older people without giving my age away I think you should call me “Uncle” and you will have to call Bog “Oupa”
@Woltrui: Not sure if I am getting into a conversation I am to young for was not around pre 90,s but can tell you a bit of what I learnt from my father who was at Grey Bloem in 1950 and 1960/70 period were they never lost to any school from the Paarl area in those days but did get there butt kicked on quite a few occasions by Queens.
I do know that pre 1975 GCB lost only 13 games in Bloem which 10 were against Queens and not one of the 50 odd games played against Paarl schools of the old Transvaal schools.
So I think historically that’s fact my father always said those souties were as tough as nails.
@Queenian: Flip you must be old to have been around in the 60,s
@Queenian: Dear sir. As “white elitist” I don’t have a doubt that Queens and Grey is great academically institutes. My boy once played an cricket tournament at Grey PE and the “little white elitist” was impressed out of his socks with the facilities. I just doubt that either one of those schools could claim to be the Number 1 in South Africa if they didn’t play the schools in the Perel or in the Noordvaal region of this vast and beautiful country of us dear sir.
@BOG: Dear sir. Did or didn’t Affies kick the shibits out of Grey Bloem the past 10 years on the cricket field? Yes or No?
@BOG: @rugbyfan: Hey if this dude was a Grey Old Boy and he wrote a book he must have done at least part of his education at the other Grey Bloem campus “JJS”
@beet: It from a book or life story of FS De Beer called the “Goue Platteland en my HR Hereford Stoet” so ye a real boere boek.
Bog as far as I know he lived near Christinia
@rugbyfan: Thanks
@beet: I will send it to you currently in the great little town of Douglas so I will send it to you next week when I am back in PE
@Woltrui: Remember this is one man view point not saying it is 100% correct.
Secondly you state Eastern Cape area which he was not speaking about at all the only part of the Eastern Cape included in this area was the North East Cape from Queenstown and above. I also do not think he is in anyway stating that Queens of present is a top 1 or 2 team to the contrary I will post the list which shows it year by year the last time Queens being on top of it being 1985 if my memory is correct.
Lastly a point I would like to mention and I think Bog can back me on this is the Queens of today and the Queens pre your time was a different kettle of fish.
@BOG: You guys have my email. Send me the stuff.
@Woltrui: And as far as I can see it does not say everytime, but 95% of the time.
Just look at the last 30 years Grey Bloem surely has been 1 or 2 95% of the time.
@Woltrui: Not sure were the base of this story comes from you will have to ask Rugbyfan I do no that you cannot question that Grey Bloem in the last 80 odd years has not being either the No1 playing rugby school or at least 1 or 2 on 41 occasions there can be no doubt of that no matter were you come from and who you support. As for Queens being the No 1 or 2 school on 21 occasions that cannot be from the last 25 years that I do know in the last 25 years maybe a top 20 school I agree. But pre 1986 to say that Queens was a top 1 or 2 school some years is very possible specially the period 1935 to 1972 I don’t think Blog or other GCB men would disagree with that.
Remember the school rugby setup pre say 1980 was a lot different to now but claims by people can always be misleading but can also be spot on, me as an Old Queenian who has being around from the late 60,s can tell you this I do not say that Queens is top of the hill specially in the last 25 years and at best maybe only just making a top 20 team but pre 1985 I can tell you they would have been a Top 5 school year in and year out.
As for Grey Bloem they have always being top now in the 90,80,70,60,s even in the 30,s.
@BOG: Dear sir. I agree with you concerning Grey Bloem. I don’t agree with the stats concerning the so called dominance of the eastern Cape schools. IMHO sir.
Jirre Beet I love this English spell checker. I had about 36 spelling mistakes in the 3 sentences. Now we just need something to sort the IS and ARE out.
@Woltrui: You have proven your bias and subjectivity, as with your perception of cricket , over a long period, ie HISTORY. Granted, not quite as convincing as the schools from the “Central region” of their dominance in SA school rugby, but yet— The schools from the Paarl specifically and WC generally, could well object if this covered the period before 1906, but after that? No, the dominance of “The One” over them, is almost as convincing as over Affies. No secret- simply consult the stats or HISTORY. With a win ratio of 94 % over many years, that confirms dominance. No daydreaming that, me thinks.
@Queenian: @BOG: @rugbyfan: Seriously doubt the stat that the “school finishing top in this area would have finished no 1 or 2 in SA every time”. Top playing schools “Queens 21 Years, Grey/Queens(shared) 11 years” etc. Wonder what the Schools in the Perel think of that claim to fame. I doubt it very much dear sirs. Somebody was daydreaming when he put that stats together me thinks.
@beet: Beet, come on. Rugbyfan has an interesting article here, but too long to post. Im confident that you could make a very interesting abbreviated story out of this. At the same time it will serve to enlighten you
on the undeniable contribution of the platteland to SA rugby- read “central region”, somewhat extended a bit.
@rugbyfan: Is Beet not interested in this article? He would be in an ideal position to condense it into a shorter “sensical” story and on top of it, throw out the window some of the stories and perceptions that we have seen here. In my opinion, a denial of the contribution of the “central region” in its entirety to SA rugby
@Queenian: @BOG: I do still have that article but big to post here but here are a few interesting facts from it.
Basically the “Golden Platteland” area spoken about in the article was basically from Kroonstad/Welkom in the North to Queenstown in the South and Kimberly in the West.
It also quotes the top school in this area from 1932 to 2003 and that equated to top playing schools for this period being Grey Bloem 41 Years Queens 21 Years Grey/Queens(Shared) 11 Years St Andrews 1 Year KBH 1 Year and CBC 1 Year
Also mentioned that the school finishing top in this area would have being SA No 1 or 2 every time.(95% of the time) And that coming from a area which only has 14% of the school going population at any given time.
Also that nearly 30% of Craven week players have come from this area and 27% of Springboks have come from this area.
Will post more when I have more time basically the authors point was this has always being per capita population wise the bread baskets of SA schools rugby.
@Queenian: That would be great- even selectively.In the last two weeks an article appeared in “The Citizen” by Jake White in which he elaborates on GCBs contribution to the re-emergence of the Cheetahs, going a bit further than just the number of OGs involved with the team. If you go to GCBs FB and scroll back a bit, you should still find it. Interesting.
@BOG: This article was written by a GCB Old Boy in 2003 and was called the “Golden Platteland” and was based on what Gold did for the Witwatersrand area and South Africa and what schoolboy rugby in the Platteland did for SA rugby will ask him to post it some time or at least part of it as it was 48 pages long.
@BOG: That’s a good 1854 well I suppose that would not be true if you said when last were GCB not the No 1 in the central region being Free State/NC/NEC then its a different thing. And in actual fact ask Rugbyfan he posted a interesting post in rugby365 a year ago which was very interesting reading on the history of the schoolboy rugby history of the Central Rugby region.
@kcob: Are you on the Kearsney staff that you got this info so quickly?
@Predator: boishaai se span het so verander van daardie game af, dit sal n totale nuwe wedstryd vir julle wees en ek glo n moeiliker een as wat die eerste game was
@Predator: Nee wat, hierdie jaar is julle in ‘n ander klas, regtig ‘n spesiale groep wat met Gim, Affies en GCB saamgesels, geniet hom. Hoop die game is volgende jaar terug op die kalender, 2012 was ‘n lekker een in George.
@bhkgpa: Het julle al gespeel in die begin van die seisoen. ‘n Baie goeie game gewees van altwee kante.@Ploegskaar: Die enigste Paarl skool wat ons nie hierdie jaar gespeel het nie, ons sal nooit Boland Landbou onderskat nie.
“Rescheduled sports fixture vs Maritzburg College”
The balance of the games of this fixture have been arranged for Thursday 20 June at Kearsney. The details of times and venues will be uploaded onto our website http://www.kearsney.com, under Fixtures and Results once they have been finalised. The 1st XV match will kick off at 14h45.
@BoishaaiPa:het jy dalk info oor hoe die EC skole teen ander reg oor die land gedoen het hierdie jaar. Dit hoef nie per skool te wees nie net wat was die wen%
@Predator: Die Plaas is nie te ver nie, dalk steeds nie ‘n moeilike game nie, maar darem so ‘n bietjie kompetisie vir 20 – 30 minute. Vind dit steeds vreemd dat daar nie ‘n game is hierdie jaar nie, maar soos ek voorheen gesê het, dalk beter.
@Predator: wat van boishaai, dit is al wat regtig oor bly wat naby is of het hulle reeds ander verpligtinge
@BOG: wyn saam swak onderwys bly maar n probleem maar ons werk daaraan dat onderwys nie moet inmeng met ons wyntyd nie
@BOG: Hahahaha
Good one!
@Queenian: For sure- in 1854
@BOG: Have GCB ever not been the Free State No 1?
@bhkgpa: As ek na Ploeg moet luister, gaan dit nie so goed met daardie uitvoere nie. Hy se julle voer nou in grootmaat uit na Rusland, in reuse rubber papsakke. Ek het aangebied om my steun te gee aan pogings om die volumes n bietjie op te stoot, mits ek eers n sample kry- een van daardie rubber papsakke. Maar ek wag nog. En ek sien dat die Europese Unie nog boonop die invoere van sitrus uit SA wil beperk. En moet nou nie die “spell checker” skuld gee vir julle dalende onderwysstandaarde nie.
@bhkgpa: Nog nie seker nie, hoop dis ‘n grote. Ek verloor eerder teen ‘n top premier skool as ‘n wen teen een van die minder kompeterende skole. Dit klink verwaant maar wil graag ‘n seisoen eindig met die wete dat ons opgemeet het teen al die top skole in rugby in SA. Die logistiek is net onbekostigbaar.
@bhkgpa: bedoel julle voer dit in , hierdie frekken spellchecker wat woorde verander, sorry gou nog n slukkie Kaapse uitvoer geniet.
@BOG: née wat bog, jy kan mos nou nie die Kaap met die Vrystaat vergelyk nie, julle over win in en ons produseer dit! Dit maak mos klaar die Kaap n lekkerder plek
@Predator: teen wie speel Kwaggas nou tydens die reunie?
@Ploegskaar: Ja maar al baie poskaarte gesien wat verskoning vra vir wat op Naval Hill gebeur het.
@BOG: In my prille jeug reeds landwyd skandes gemaak, nou ‘n verantwoordelike en ingedrinkde landsburger, so sal gewis nie ‘n Brian Baenhof op GCB se velde trek nie.
@OudUppie: Die klomp in die Kaap is nog slegte drinkers ook, so gaan maar stadig met die rondtes. Onthou dat daardie n regstreekse uitsending op TV (Premier Schools) is en ons wil nie he dat Ploeg landwyd skandes maak nie – LIVE !
@OudUppie: Dalk neem ek jou net op met daardie een.
@Ploegskaar: Ek weet nie of Sentraal daai naweek speel nie, maar die twee Grey’s speel in Bloem teen mekaar. Behoort ‘n baie interessante dag se rugby te wees. Jy’s welkom om ‘n dop te kom drink op die dek, dan vertel jy my sommer hoekom die Kaap dan so woderlik is.
@BoishaaiPa: Ons moet nog Selborne, Framesby en Daniel Pienaar van die Oos Kaap groep speel,..sal dit tel? Dit is net Gimmies,Oakdale en Boyshigh wat ons teen speel in die groep,..nogal jammer aangesien die Wes Kaap groep baie sterker as die Oos Kaap groep is.
Gelukkig kan ek as buitestaander, n baie objektiewe beskouing gee van beide Bloemfontein en die Kaap. Toevallig was ek vir 5 jaar in beide gebiede. Eerstens, jare terug, het die mooi omgewing en een maand se mooi weer rondom Feb/Mrt darem in n mate vergoed vir die uiters ongure (alombebend as VREESLIK kak) winterweer. Vandag is daardie omgewing deur n verskeidenheid van faktore, oa “demografiese verskuiwings”, sodanig verval, dat ek nie eens my as daar gestrooi wil he nie. allermins begrawe. En die hoofdoel van my besoek omtrent 16 jaar gelede, was om al my uithangplekke van ouds aan my gesin te wys. Hulle was verstom oor die afstande wat afgele moes word om by plekke uit te kom. En dan het ons nog gerieflikheidshalwe, sentraal in Tokai (langs die bos) gebly. Nog nie een van hulle het sedertdien ooit weer die begeerte gehad om terug te gaan nie. Nee watas n mens vir n mooi kusgedeelte soek, gaan jy Wildekus (Transkei) toe (ongelukkig ook nou gestroop), Kosibaai of na die Mosambiekse kus toe. Di mooi! @BoishaaiPa: Jy het miskien uit die oog verloor dat al die mense wie Sondag uit Bloemfontein gevlieg het, die vorige Vrydag na Bloem gevlieg het. Eintlik baie logies vir n onpartydige en objektiewe waarnemer. Maar aan die positiewe kant, is die nat, winderige, koue modderreenweer miskien n bedekte seen. Dit spoel ten minste al die besoedeling uit die pad vd oog- al is dit dan in die riviere of op die strande.
@Predator: Speel julle nog enige van die 12 spanne in die groep soos aangedui? Dit is al spanne wat kwalifiseer vir hierdie liga.
@BoishaaiPa: Toemaar, die kinders klim die Saterdag aand 23:00, direk na hulle gesing het, terug op die bus na die Kaap! Geen rede om langer te vertoef as jy nie hoef nie!
Die Kwagas het nog net 4 games gespeel teenoor Gim se 7 en Boyshigh se 6. ons het baie makliker games vorentoe waar die scores ook groot behoort te wees. Die Kwaggas speel op die oomblik nie baie aanskoulike rugby nie, ek hoop dis ‘n rookskerm vir wat nog moet kom, die Burger finaal bv. Die 153 punte in 4 games ( 38 gem per game) is baie goed. Die gestreepte donkie kan jou baie hard skop as jy nie wakker is nie.
@Ploegskaar: Ek was twee naweke terug mos daar…Die mense het so gespartel om Sondag oggend vroeg daar weg te kom terug Kaap toe (en dit sluit die OG’s in..eintlik die meeste was hulle) dat ek eers die middag n vlug terug Kaap toe kon kry. Hulle het tot ekstra Mango vlug gehad…alles was vol gepak! As dit nie vir n skoolvriend was wat onlangs Bloem toe verplaas is nie, was ek in n moerse depressie!..Hy het my darem geselskap gehou en saam gelunch!…Arme man is nog net 6 maaande daar en hy lyk nog erg verwilderd!
@BuiteBreek: en omdat ek twee keer gesoek het, wys dit hoe ‘n vrugtelose uitstappie dit was.
@Bog: Het verlede met die Cravenweek gesoek na die Naval Hill gesoek,maar blykbaar is dit reeds plat gestoot.
@Ploeg: Dit sal jou 5minute neem, as jy die stap van kar tot sentrum saam inreken.
@BOG: Is in Bloem die einde van Julie vir die ATKV Applous finale (no2 & 3 sus sing daar), so sal jou ‘n ooggetuie verslaggie van die huidige stand van sake aanstuur. Gaan by familie tuisgaan oorkant die pad van Sentraal, so hoop ek kan die Saterdag oggend weer ‘n rugby game of twee inpas, as hulle tuis speel. Sal beslis weer 5 minute afknyp om die hele waterfront by Loch Logan deur te stap
Julle is maar sensitief oor Slaapstad, daai dorpie buite Hermanus. Waarom sal hulle nou Naval Hill op poskaart sit. Di net in die Kaap waar hulle soveel agting vir koppies het. Vreemd dat daardie Kaapse dokter hom nog nie plat gewaai het nie.@BoishaaiPa: My kop is ver bo die sand. Moet nou nie die storietjie wil omkeer in my rigting nie. Ek erken al die gebreke en tekortkominge van my omgewing. Dit was julle outjies wie hier te kenne wou gee dat julle in n paradys woon en dat almal toustaan om soontoe te gaan. Wie wel toustaan, is die mense uit die OKaap@BuiteBreek: Ja soos Van Der Merwe uit Worcester se wereld. Hy het Kaapstad toe getrek agter n beter salaris aan sodat hy kon spaar om terug te gaan Worcester toe
@BHP @ Ploeg: Herinner my aan die storie oor die blondine wat in moerse ongeluk was: Sy is blykbaar deur ‘n gedagte getref.
@BoishaaiPa: Dit en suurstof, die lug is maar dun daarbo.
@Ploegskaar: Ek dink hy vat sy oggendslapie…Ou man is al vroeg op.., maar nou vat die koue weer aan sy voete en hy moet bietjie rus.
@Ploegskaar: Naval.
@BOG: Dus, ‘n geval van persoonlike voorkeure. Hier reën dit darem ook nie sonder einde nie, min mooier as Kaapse wintersdae tussen kouefronte. En eerder dan Tafelberg as ‘n heuweltjie in die middel van ‘n dorp, nog nooit ‘n poskaart met Navel Hill op gesien nie.
@BOG: Ek dink jy leef nes n volstruis met jou kop in die sand…Word wakker….dis 2013!..Jy bly seker huidiglik in n paradys van effektiewiteit en skoonheid!!
@BOG: Daar erken jy nou net wat ons in elk geval al baie lank weet!..Die woorde “koop en werf” mooi weggesteek as “migreer”!..
@Ploegskaar: Ek weer, het in die WK gebly toe dit nog mooi, skoon en ge-orden was en desnieteenstaande, sal ek nie daar bly nie- uit keuse. En sedert ek daar weg is, het dinge so agteruitgegaan, di skrikwkkend. Al wat nog behoue gebly het, is die uiters ongure , kak winterweer. As iemand my vra oor die Kaap, dan se ek hulle kan net sowel in NZ gaan bly. Ten minste kry hulle darem n mate van veiligheid op die koop toe. Gelukkig was ek n student daar en kon dus deur “goeie beplanning” die vroee oggend blootstelling in die wintermaande vryspring- eensydige flexi-ure ast ware. Nog nooit soveel mense gesien wat “ge-mesmeraais” is deur n plat koppie nie- di amper n vorm van hipnose. @Tjoppa: Grey sou presies dieselfde impak gehad het in enige ander streek, gesien teen die GESKIEDENIS.
@BOG: Maar Bog Geskiedenis wys dat Gey Bloem die enigste skool in die area is wat konstant presteer. Hoekom sal jy nou geskiedenis by die deur wil uit gooi.
@BOG: Ek dink jy oorvereenvoudig die redes hoekom mense hulle hervestig in Bloem of daar skoolgaan. Daar is ‘n verskeidenheid demografiese, sosiale, finansiele en selfs eenvoudig politiese redes, maar in kort volgens die vele wat ek ken, omdat hulle daar moet wees, nie noodwendig wil wees nie. Dis egter net volgens my verwysingsraamwerk, wat dalk onvoldoende is. Onthou, ek het self ‘n tyd in Bloem gebly en gewerk, was nie vir my nie, en verruil die Kaap vir niks. En dit sluit vele aanbiedinge van oral oor die jare in, wat my meer welaf maar arm in siel sou los.
En ja, NK is ook maar baie “iffy” hierdie jaar. Dit bevestig maar net dat die skole in die Sentrale streek hulle man kan staan elders, sommige jare beter as ander
@Ploegskaar: Nee, jy verstaan verkeerd- is dit weereens of nog steeds? Hulle gaan vanuit die Kaap Bloem toe en nie noodwendig om sport te beoefen nie. Vir akademie ook. En as n eerste keuse. Moenie vergeet nie, ek was in die Kaap en nie te onkundig oor die situasie nie. Goed om op te staan vir jou omgewing, maar mens moet perspektief behou. Persoonlik wil ek gladnie daar bly nie, en ek se dit met ervaring. Maar di nie die punt nie. Daar is meer mense/leerders uit die WK wie in Bloem , oa GCB, swot, as andersom
@BOG: Want Boland is self maar iffy hierdie seisoen. En waar anders moet seuns migreer, met al die kompetisie en top skole in die WK? Suid is die see en Bloem is darem steeds myle beter as die Noordvaal
Ons weet dat tellings nie n akkurate vergelyking is nie, maar in die afwesigheid van n beter maatstaf, is dit in die bree gebruik om my stelling te rugsteun dat al die vermelde spanne in die Sentrale streek kompiterend is. En selfs JULLE stats bevestig dit, hoe selektief dit ookal gebruik is. Ploegskaar, as dit nie so was nie , hoekom het BL naelskraap teen n baie ordinere NK gewen?@Ploegskaar: Ek wonder in watter rigting, oor die jare het die meeste leerders gemigreer? WK na Bloem of Bloem na WK? Die antwoord sal jou verstom.
Odd to see School and and College down the KZN rankings, but seems pretty fair. The KC/WBH is always going to be a contentious issue, but reckon it looks good to date
@Tjoppa: Tellings is nie alles.Outeniqua wen Oakdale Paarl Gym speel gelykop./???????
@jakes: Tellings is nie alles nie dus volgens jou berekeninge is Affies ook 40 punte beter as Monnas oor die KES uitslae. Monnas met paar punte verloor teen Grey. Dus was Affies slapgat teen Grey want wen met paar punte. Nee man. Elke wedstryd het sy eie rigting. Affies wen sover al sy games. Dus verreweg die jaar se beste.
@ Tjoppa- maar die tellings bewys dit dan, ek suig dit nie uit my duim uit nie. Ek het dit duidelik in my vergelyking gestel. Tel dan HTS Middelburg en Nelspruit by, kan enige een op die dag wen, selfs teen Affies. Affies definitief nie ‘n cut above the rest die jaar nie, hulle het alhoewel net een van die skole gespeel wat genoem is en bykans verloor. Dus kan hulle nie by verre die beste wees nie, by verre nie.
@Tjoppa: Ja jong, met die sentrale vlaktes steeds so woes en leeg soos voor die skepping, trek GCB beslis leerders vir meer as net 165 jaar, amper soos vlieë na ‘n kameeldrol in die Sahara. Die program se naam was nie verniet die Vlaktes duskant Hebron nie, of hoe?
@Ploegskaar: Los uit word deesdae gemeng met die nalatenskap van aaptwak. Om my lekkerder te laat wees.
@jakes: Nou redeneer jy om jou eie valetjie. Die ranglyste word opgestel met die uitslae vir die hele jaar. Dus Waterkloof het stadig begin en daarom no8 maar ek dink op huidige vorm baie nader aan 2 of 3. Dus Affies oor die jaar gesien by verre die beste met die res wat volg in ‘n bondel. Dalk Menlopark se posisie nie so reg nie. Nelspruit en HTS Middelburg dalk bo EG en Garsfontein aangesien hulle die crunch games gewen het BMT. Klofies se wen teen Garsfontein wys ook BMT. Dalk het EG en Garsies dit nie.
As ek dus vandag moet kies is my top 6
1) Affies
2) Nelspruit
3) Waterkloof
4) HTS Middelburg
5) Garsfontein
6) EG Jansen
Mar om te se almal binne 1 of 2 punte uit mekaar. Nie rerig nie.
@BOG: Ek verwys natuurlik net na die WK, geoordeel aan die 2013 stats, waar hulle so ‘n bietjie gesukkel het. Hardkoppig en stadig van begrip is ek dalk, op my ouderdom, en oor 20 jaar kan mens seker ongeduldig en angstig ook byvoeg, as ek so na jou luister. Vat eerder ‘n teug van Tjoppa se suurstof en gaan lê so bietjie skuins voor aandete, jy gaan ‘n spataar bars.
@ Bog and Roger- as far as I can recall KES lost with around 30-40 points against Affies this year. Klofies lost by one point against Affies. Klofies won Garsfontein by 2 points I think while EG Jansen and Garsfontein had a draw. These 4 schools are very close. Do not know what happened to Monnas against KES though, but KES can not match Affies , Klofies, Garsfontein and EG Jansen this year. They are no match.
@BoishaaiPa: Nee wat, jy is net onwys, weereens diplomaties gestel. Grey trek leerders vanuit die NOK vir meer as 165 jaar Ek was een en net duskant die 165.En dan natuurlik van oral, insluitend van daar “Waar julle spoilt for choice” is. Met soveel blootstelling aan OG en die skool self, vind ek jou blakende onkunde verbasend
@BoishaaiPa: Ja weer, onbewustelik bevestig jy my punt met Brandwag wat nr 5 op die OP se lys is- HULLE IS KOMPITEREND. Dit is nie vir my duidelik of jy verwaand of beledigend is in jou opinie van die skole in die WK en die in Bloem nie. Ek ken die skole in die WK, maar om te se “spoilt for choice” is lagwekkend. Maar die doel is nie om hulle te beledig nie. Maar die skole in Bloemfontein is vol kinders wie daar is omdat hulle VERKIES om daar te wees.@Playa: Exaggerated in what respect.? I assure you that Henties contribution is around 7-8 players in the Griffons CW side. @Ploegskaar: Is jy doelbewus hardkoppig of stadig van begrip. Selfs jou stats, wat slegs n kort tyd verteenwoordig, bevestig dat hulle KOMPITEREND sal wees, maar daar word met een bril na hulle gekyk en met n ander bril na sg “kleiner” skole elders. Bottom line is dit. Grey sal (oor n tydperk gesien) bykans dieselfde impak en resultate he met my persentasies in gedagte, in ander streke, as wat hulle in die Sentrale streek het. Die skole. kollektief gesien, in die streek is nie meerder OF minderwaardig aan die skole van ander streke nie. En om vadersnaam, dit gaan verder as net die WK
@BOG: I will aknowledge that they are competitative..against our B League teams. The fact is that Grey doesnt have any competition or need to compete for resources in the whole of Freestate..and now it seems most part of the North East Cape as well!…..So yes, with that kind of platforms if you did not perform so well it would have been a travesty!
@BoishaaiPa: You obviously did not do Wysbegeerte, except when the Huis Div girl danced in Tollies- Sy het gewys en jy het begeer. For the last time, I was suggesting that they are competitive and to single out a few exceptions as a norm, is misguided, om dit DIPLOMATIES te stel.
@BOG: The games they played against Top tier teams they all lost….Did not win one game!..that is 0%..far cry from your 75% prediction!..
@BOG: I hear you…but your numbers do seem to be exagerrated though.But I am also just speculating.
@BOG: Ai tog, het net die stats gelys om spekulasie uit die weg te ruim, Oom. Soos dit vir my lyk is daardie ander FS skole ten beste net op par met die Premier B spanne hier in die WK, met net GCB, Diamandveld en Noord-Kaap wat in die Premier A sou speel (afhangende van hoeveel spanne lg. 2 in die veld kan stoot).
Dit vergelyk maar flou met die jaarlikse kompetisie hier in die WK waar die 8 Premier A skole, Tygerberg, Hugenote en Drosty (Boland) en Oakdale en Outeniqua (SWD) mekaar week in en uit disnis speel.
@BOG: If you take Grey vs the WP schools in S15 rugby it would be a fair match…As they dont have any competition for 500 miles while there are 8 Top rated Boys schools situated in a 40km radius in the WC…not even talking about all the other good schools. If you are a half decent rugby player in Bloem you go to Grey..that is a fact..if you had the same rugby player in the WC..where would he go?..spoilt for choices bewteen PRG, Boishaai, Gim, Boland, Bishops, Rondebosch etc etc etc…Imagine if all the boys from the peninsu;a had only 2 or 3 schools to pick from…how strong would you thing those schools will be?…It’s your location and demograpghics that it the biggest contributor to your success!
Yes Brandwag played LB, Sentraal and Jim Fouche in 8 games since 2009 winning 6 of them..not to bad.
Team Date Opp Result F A
Die Brandwag 2009/04/03 Sentraal Win 42 22
Die Brandwag 2009/04/30 HTS Louis Botha Win 17 12
Die Brandwag 2009/05/02 Jim Fouche Win 24 15
Die Brandwag 2010/04/26 HTS Louis Botha Win 14 13
Die Brandwag 2011/05/02 Sentraal Lose 29 34
Die Brandwag 2012/03/24 HTS Louis Botha Win 13 12
Die Brandwag 2012/03/31 Jim Fouche Lose 10 41
Die Brandwag 2012/04/05 Sentraal Win 31 25
@BoishaaiPa: Really, I suppose, that given the results, that Paarl Gim does exactly the same in your region ? When we talk of other regions/franchises using Grey boys, we are told that this is the professional era. You seem to play that card only to your own convenience. Or would you like me to, YET AGAIN, illustrate my point by using GCBs contribution to the S15 franchises?And I used the S15 as an indication that they make a significant contribution to SA rugby. By the way, did Die Brandwag not play some of those Bloem schools in the last two years?@Ploegskaar: And those results confirm what I said- they give good account of themselves. I did not , by any stretch of the imagination, suggest that they would win every match. And see above what LB and Sentraal did against WK
@Playa: As you say, I am speculating. As I have said, looking at the matches between those schools and schools like Waterkloof and Marlow and the occasional matches at tournaments/festivals. All I am trying to do, is advance the argument that, like in any of the regions, there are stronger and weaker sides, in varying degrees and to suggest that they have no consequence, is incorrect. Let me give you an example. I think, over the last few years, the Griffons (Northern FS) have been more or less on par with Border schools( and I acknowledge that there would be exceptions). It will be interesting to know how many learners, specifically boys, there are in schools like Sentraal, JF, LB, Fichardtpark, St Andrews, Sannies. The high numbers might surprise you. Hentie Cilliers have contributed about 7-8 players to the Griffons team annually. Voortrekker the same number
Sentrale Vlaktes vs WC schools 2013 (P11 W4 D1 L6), excluding GCB:
Sentraal:
Won 43-17 vs Durbanville (Premier B)
Lost 10-15 vs Strand (Premier B)
HTS Louis Botha:
Lost 0-39 vs Oakdale
Won 14-5 vs Strand (Premier B)
Won 13-6 vs Augsburg
Jim Fouche:
Lost 20-24 vs Tygerberg (Premier B)
Voortrekker Bethlehem:
Lost 5-14 vs Hugenote Wellington
Diamandveld:
Won 26-3 vs Strand (Premier B)
Drew 19-19 vs Augsburg
Lost 0-19 vs Oakdale
Noord-Kaap:
Lost 16-20 vs Boland Landbou
This logs not reflecting the true value of certain teams. Example PBHS get 4 points for beating St Albans and 4 points for beating KES. Kloof get the same amount for beating Garsies and Nelspruit. The opposition differs as day and night. Kloof’s oppostition were 10 times tougher than that of PBHS. Think BoishighPa’s log where he take the quality of opposition into consideration gives a better reflection of the quality of a team.
Top 6 schools in Noordvaal by a long distance at the moment (no specific order):
Affies
EG Jansen
Kloof
Garsies
Nellies
HTS Middelburg
@BOG: Well, sure seems so if you look at the playing backline on a given Saturday!…..You cant use one game against one school as a benchmark!…Everyone knows that Grey sucks in all the good players in Bloem and surrounding areas, only leaving a few here and there just so that the others dont feel to hard done by, then Grey gets the rest form all over the country…by virtue of fathers being old boys and some good marketing ploys!..
@Queenian: If Im not mistaken, Marlow, the number TWO on the EC list does play regularly against the likes of Sentraal and Jim Fouche. Unfortunately, I do not have specific results, but I do believe that they have been close. How much more competitive would they be against schools further down the list?
@BOG: I get that you’re speculating, but what formula did you use to get to those percentages?Just out of interest.
@Roger: After reading your comment, I had another look at those schools on the “noordvaal” list. I think that the schools which I mentioned from the Central region, would actually beat them 90% of the times. How did KES do against Waterkloof? Unfortunately, its the only comparison available right now.
The upcoming victories against St Andrews, Selborne and Queens in the 3rd term should take the Dalians right up to 2nd spot!
@BoishaaiPa: Are you now actually trying to suggest that the WP/ Boland actually supplies the Cheetahs? As if to suggest that they are not producing enough of their own? Most of those (Springboks) players , played in an era when not too many did play in more than a handful of games.What has boosted the number of SA players (as opposed to Springboks, before/after 1906, is that they only selected players in the WP) I did say that they would give a good account of themselves in other regions and the narrow losses of Sentraal and Louis Botha to Waterkloof, 20-25 and 0-15 respectively, confirms my point. But to continue to ignore the rugby being played in the Central region, outside of Grey, is absurd.
@BOG: dream on buddy
@Woltrui: Terloops, n vraag. Ek het nou die dag n kind gesien- skoon, netjies, met baadjie en das en oenskynlik wel gemanierd. Maar sy grys broek was net bokant sy kniekoppe afgesny. Is dit straf of doen hy dit vrywilliglik?
@BOG: You focus on Noord-Kaap who has done reasonably well the last few years, but I doubt very much that those schools will maintain a 75% winning ratio against WC schools…They might win a game here and there , but never consistantly. Some of our B-league teams like Strand, Stellenberg and Durbanville play the likes of those schools on festivals and I know this year Strand and Durbanville have wins against Jim Fouche and Sentraal…I also fail to see what the S15 log has to do with schoolboy rugby!..Its professional sport with players coming form all over…but if you want to check…Sadie, Le Roux, Daniller, Benjamin, Francis..that is 5 out of 7 of the Cheetahs backline coming from Boland region!…Also..one last point..35 from Bishops, 51 from Paul Roos, 19 from Boishaai, 18 from Paarl Gim, 20 from SACS, 6 from Wynberg, 14 from Rondebosch..These “powerhouses” actually compare very well to the 5 from Sentraal…of whom only Piet Greyling actually played more than a handfull of tests!
@BOG: To say that those FS/NC schools you have mentioned would beat Grey PE/Selborne/Dale/Marlow/Queens/St Andrews 80/90% of the time is a bit far fetched at best.
Do agree that Queens should start playing some of these schools as it is closer to them as some of there other games although Noord Kaap as pulled out of the fixture 2 years in a row now.
@Woltrui: Julle kan mos sommer op die gevangenisterrein die finaal speel. Twee vliee met een klap. Veiligheid/beheer en gerieflikheidshalwe, letterlik op die drumpel vir meeste ouers.
@Woltrui: where I do agree is the that the win at all costs mentality is out of hand – reason Affies no longer play either
@Woltrui: you right – I do disagree – using Monnas as a yardstick – Kes has beaten them 13/23 with one draw. Kes has a really average 1st XV this year and still managed a draw with Monnas, last year they beat them at Monnas.
Work that out
@BoishaaiPa: Apart from Affies the Beeld trofee incorporate all the strong first rugby teams in Noordvaal. KES, Jeppe and PBHS, although they got depth, don’t have strong first teams like Kloof, EG, HTS Middelburg etc(Not enough mongrel in them??). Roger will most propably disagree but it is a fact. HTS Middelburg, for example, would beat KES 8 times out of ten.
). Just follow the newspapers to see what happens on a yearly basis at the games. To watch rugby with a lot of emotional parents swearing at the ref and at each other-as well as the odd fisticuff- is no pleasure 
The Beeld trofee normally get interesting when the regional winners start to play each other. The teams from each region that go through normally is as follow:
Valke: EG Jansen and KemptonPark
Gauteng: Monnas and Florida
North Gauteng: (3 Places) Kloof, Centurion and, this year, the up and coming Garsies.
North West: Rustenburg and ??
Pumas: HTS Middelburg and Nelspruit Hoerskool.
The Beeld trofee is highly rated by all schools concerned.
Because of the history of the Beeld trofee the win motive get out of hand, in my humble opinion(remember we are not as cultivated as you boitjies down south.
@BOG: I doubt those schools would even beat JJS mate besides other EC schools
Looking at some of the score differences, it would appear that the relative “strength” is also concentrated in 2 or 3 schools in other regions. Schools like Louis Botha, Sentraal, Jim Fouche, Hentie Cilliers, Voortrekker , Noordkaap, Diamantveld, would, and I acknowledge this as speculation, beat KZN schools 80% of the time, EC schools, 80-90%, Noordvaal, 80 % and WC schools 75% of their encounters. But ignore them at your peril. And if you dont believe me, consult the S 15 log. As a matter of interest, how do the number of Springboks out the “powerhouses” in other regions compare with the five from Sentraal?
@beet: The other thing these rankings must take into account as well is the problem of schools pulling out of fixtures because of some very weak and suspect excuses ie: Brandwag cancelling on Grey PE and Marlow cancelling on Queens.
Either these must be take as a loss for the school pulling out or some form of penalty.(No points for the other school so Brandwag and Marlow would show a extra loss)
@beet: You need to include Hudson Park and Union High in the EC mix as they would rank higher than some of the other teams.
@Roger: Yes, I probably dont know enough of your guys rugby culture up there. The Eastern and Western Cape is very similar and is the two regions I know well and thus assumed that other regions might be similar. We play rugby from a very early age and the old rivalries is usually still the strongest teams as well. I wonder if the Border regions still play with togs at primary school level?..I remember getting my first pair at Farrers Sports in King at age 9 going to play for the u/11’s!…When we moved to Eastern Cape in Std 3 I had to get use to playing barefoot!…Remember one game we played against Klippaat on a cold winters morning!..only piece of green on the field where the “duwweltjie patch”!..
@BoishaaiPa: I hear you – this is why KES no longer play Potch Boys High – a fellow Milner school established at the turn of the 19th century, was a sad day when the fixture disappeared. Ditto Northlands/Wood, DHS, Highland North, Athlone etc etc – I agree with Beet, you need to keep those rivalries going as far as you are able. Northvaal is very different to WC. Up here, soccer is a far more poular sport and traditional (English) schools have already incorporated it into their calendar – this is why the rugby season ends in late June/early July. In the WC, as I understand it, you play rugby from sub A to matric – not so up here, hence the reason for keeping those tradtional rivalries going. I certainly would trk down the N2 to Middleburh to watch KES play HTS – just doesn’t do it for me!
@beet: Ditto to you Beet…Same question…I am all for traditional fixtures..IF both teams are still competitive…Who benefits form a game that you regularly win by 50 points?
@Roger: The WP Schools play in a league, but there have never been issues about “winning at all cost” etc…it just makes sense that the best teams compete against each other on regular basis. What is the use to play old rivalries where every team wins by 50/60 points plus?…Who benefits from that?
@Roger: Rugby is fast becoming an elitist sport simply because of the money involved. Add the transforming society we live in and there is a risk that the sport will contract rather than expand in the years to come. The traditional rivalries are more important than ever before. I think keeping all involved and striving to maintain an acceptable standard of participation and form on the field is crucial. The last thing we need is for just a handful of schools around the country to be playing a high standard of rugby and the rest losing interest.
@beet: Do not worry I do not see them @ no 1 spot in the next few years to come. Hopefully BOG will disappear with that.
@Tjoppa: Unfortunately I didn’t keep a record of their results. So a reconstruction exercise is needed. Bog had his issues with this when it first came out.
I think respect is missing if a prominent region like FreeState/Northern Cape not being mentioned. If we take HISTORY into account this is the region that supplied the bulk of Springboks. Only this week, if it was not for injuries and bad selection, at least 17 of the Bok group would have come from this region. Bar one, Morne Steyn, the rest come from Grey College Bloemfontein.
@BoishaaiPa: two issues:
a) as you state – not all teams would get games – only Affies, PBH, KES and Jeppe will play all the way down – WK, Garsies, Monnas, EG, HTS will all battle. However – that challenge can be overcome I am sure – the next issue not so easy to overcome;
b) traditional fixtures still play a huge part of the season and I know that the schools also dont want to be part of a “premier league” bringing with it all the nonsense about being the best and winning at all costs etc etc – leave that to the plethora of websites and bloggers to decide.
@Tierklou: Jammer ek moes dit byvoeg. Halve bonus punt vir gelykop.
Ek kon nie lekker die 0.5 optel nie, maar sien nou dat ‘n gelykop uitslag jou 2 punte plus halwe BP (vir minder as 10) gee.
Wonder why the Noordvaal schools dont have a type of league where Affies, PBH, WK, Garsfontein, HTS Middelburg, Jeppe, KES , Monnas and EG dont play each other on a regular basis. This will be a very competitive league and perhaps even stronger then the WP league and will benefit all players in the region. I know there are always issues with enough teams for the likes of Affies, PBH, KES and Jeppe, but we sometime have to live with that down here as well and for 3 or 4 games in a year one can always involve second league teams on a staggering basis.