School Rugby fixtures & results – week ending 25 May 2019

DATE SCHOOL SCHOOL INFO BROADCAST
Tue.21May Lions u18 Valke u18
Sat.25May Menlopark 28 46 Garsfontein Virsekerbeker Cup
Sat.25May Monument 92 12 Transvalia Virsekerbeker Cup
Sat.25May Helpmekaar 33 25 Noordheuwel Virsekerbeker Cup
Sat.25May HTS Middelburg 07 43 EG Jansen Virsekerbeker Cup
Sat.25May Montana 39 08 Nelspruit Virsekerbeker Plate
Sat.25May Marais Viljoen 26 30 Ben Vorster Virsekerbeker Plate
Sat.25May Kempton Park 29 33 Eldoraigne Virsekerbeker Plate
Sat.25May Rustenburg 71 27 Zwartkop Virsekerbeker Plate
Sat.25May Oos-Moot 37 39 Heidelburg VS Virsekerbeker Shield
Sat.25May Centurion 25 28 Middelburg Virsekerbeker Shield
Sat.25May Florida 35 24 Jeugland Virsekerbeker Shield
Sat.25May Potch Volkskool 21 33 Potch Gim
Sat.25May Pietersburg 19 22 Frikkie Meyer
Sat.25May Voortrekker (Pmb) 03 66 DHS
Sat.25May Maritzburg College 26 28 Westville
Sat.25May Grey HS 71 07 Daniel Pienaar
Sat.25May Kingswood 73 05 Stirling
Sat.25May Graeme 29 47 Queen’s
Sat.25May Framesby 59 00 Marlow
Sat.25May Selborne 28 12 St Andrew’s
Sat.25May Nico Malan 48 19 Otto du Plessis
Fri.24May Cambridge 07 18 Port Rex
Fri.24May Humansdorp 28 48 Brandwag
Fri.24May St Benedict’s 20 36 Northwood
Sat.25May St David’s 21 17 St Alban’s
Sat.25May Klerksdorp 27 26 Lichtenburg FNB CC : On SuperSport
Sat.25May Waterkloof 13 29 KES
Sat.25May Affies 47 28 Jeppe
Sat.25May Parktown 00 27 St John’s
Sat.25May Pretoria BH 45 24 St Stithians
Sat.25May SACS 19 41 Paarl Gim
Sat.25May HJS Paarl BH 29 16 Paul Roos PI : On SuperSport
Sat.25May Stellenberg 38 51 Boland Landbou
Sat.25May Langenhoven Gim X X Outeniqua L/Gim cancelled
Sat.25May Durbanville 71 10 Brackenfell
Sat.25May De Kuilen 22 36 DF Malan
Sat.25May Tygerberg 45 41 Bellville
Sat.25May Swartland 57 06 Vredenburg
Sat.25May Wynberg 29 06 Hugenote
Sat.25May Milnerton 33 19 HTS Bellville
Sat.25May Griffons u18A 43 40 Griquas u18A

183 Comments

  1. Dit raak nie makliker vir EGJansen nie. HTS Middelburg op hul tuisveld behoort weer baie hard te wees. HTS baie sterker die jaar as in 2018 wat met ongeveer 80 punte teen EGJ verloor het,en HTS op hul tuisveld gaan baie moeilik wees die jaar. Hierdie kan ‘n maak of breuk game vir EGJ se Virseker beker aanslag wees. Die game teen Helpmekaar kon enige kant toe gegaan het maar was baie hard. In die laaste 5 minute verloor. As EGJ dieselfde speel behoort hul HTS ‘n harde tyd te gee maar EGJ het nie goeie rekord teen HTS op hul velde nie. Sterkte vir EGJansen saterdag.

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  2. For the Virseker organisers:
    Don’t get confused as Naas and Uli’s alma mater, Hendrik Verwoerd, had a name change. It is now Rietondale Secondary School.

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  3. Regtig ‘n paar classics die naweek.
    Menlo vs Garsies
    KHS vs Lichtenburg
    MC vs Westville
    Framesby vs Marlow (behoort one sided te wees, maar classic)
    HJS vs PRG
    Stellenberg vs Boland

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  4. Will Affies fend off a Jeppe Boys all english school, or will AHS fall victem for a third time, to the english :-P
    Jeppe, like Kes who also had a good game last year, would want to turn the tables. Especially with a good injection from a stirling u16 group to compliment the open sides.
    Affies is trying to claw back, from fears of a lowest season ever. Last three outings was difficult for the Pretoria men. They lost 5 out of 10 games so far.
    Playing Jeppe on saturday, Affies has a 13 from 13 record on Jeppe and would like to keep a clean sheet.

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  5. Stem 100% saam met jou. Briljante afrigters. En die voormalige Rooibul wat Februarie Jansen toe geskuif het maak n massiewe impak. Dink nie HTS het n kans om te wen nie. Nie op die veld nie en ook nie op papier nie

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  6. Wat gaan aan by Affies? Te veel sterk skole in Pretoria wat nou kompeteer vir die talentvolle seuns? In my dae was net Waterkloof ietwat kompetisie vir Affies. Jammerte dat Affies nie meer dominant is nie.

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  7. @Cappie: gaan verseker goeie game wees, beide spanne wat daarvan hou om bak kig te gee.

    Ander kragmetings wat ook my belang trek is:
    Menlo vs Garsies
    – die twee gaan mekaar verseker toets in alke vassette van die spel.
    Jeppe vs AHS

    Kempies vs Eldoraigne
    – Gaan Kempies die nuwe “asem” kan voorbou op verlede naweek?
    Westville vs Maritzburg College

    Waterkloof vs KES
    -Met Kes wat reeds Affies gewen het sal hulle Waterkloof ook wil troef.
    Paarl Boys vs Paul Roos
    – Kan PRG hulle spel tempo lig, of gaan die blou trein nie by hulle stasie stop nie.

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  8. @Skopgraaf243: Menlo-Garsies verseker ‘n groot ene. Menlo het lanklaas ‘n beter kans gestaan om Garsies te troef. Sien uit na die wedstryd. Persoonlik dink ek dis die game wat ek eintlik Saterdag moet gaan kyk, siende dat hulle hom nie uitsaai nie.

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  9. @The O – Do you know why Jorim Bangue is not playing for the PBHS first side? Is he only focusing on athletics? In my view, he would be a huge addition to the PBHS first team.

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  10. @Tang: He is playing u/16 A. My own opinion, and just being honest, think he is lucky to be playing u/16 A , great athlete, but not sure he has found the “heart” for rugby YET. Absolutely devastating when going forward, but when it gets tough….

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  11. @4×4: Janee, vir volgende jaar met julle eeufees vieringe sal julle moèt iets doen. Huursoldate of te nie. :twisted:
    Neewat julle genoeg graad 11’s plus daai beer u16 groep wat deurkom, behalwe vir die odd verrassing ook.
    Dan klink dit vir my is julle blitzkrieg geleër :-D

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  12. Week ending 25thMay, are all the teams containing Cravenweek candidates effected by the Bondedag?
    Meaning NOT fielding first choice players.
    or Just business as usual without them?

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  13. @The O – Thank you. Interesting to get a balanced opinion. He should be devastating with his speed and size.

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  14. Menlopark vs Garsfontein
    U14 – 21 : 13
    U15 – 12 : 15
    U16 – 21 : 21

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  15. @Djou: nee ek dink Garsies het goeie werk aan juniors spandeer.
    Garsies sr juniors Monnas ook laat lesopsê aldrie ouderdomme.
    Well done Garsies.

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  16. Menlo sal Garsfontein wen as die Proteas eendag die wereld beker wen .. baie geluk Garsies

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  17. Great wen Heidelberg Volkies 39 vs 37 Oosmoot
    Oosmoot het swak beslissing om te hardloop met die serene op voltyd, kos hulle die game. Oosmoot het die een verloor. Volkies wou net nie gaan lê nie. Malgas het baie talent.

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  18. @Richard Lowe: Baie goeie skole wedstryd, Menlo nooit gaan le nie,span van karakters.

    Aan Menlo se kant,yster no6,2,10 was baie goed,11 en 15.

    Garsies se Kaptein,Roets was uitstekend so ook Jarred,no 1,2,3,8, 12 was n monster met 11 en 15 wat in n ander klas is.

    Garsies goeie diepte met inpakspelers wat baie goed gedoen het.

    Geluk,Duppie en Ryno,dis n spesiale groep wat vir mekaar en die trui speel.

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  19. Baie geluk Monnas. Ek sien julle kon hom deurtrek teen Transvalia 92-12 met 10 min kleingeld :roll:

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  20. @Skopgraaf243: Transvalia het n harde en opdraende pad wat wag,die kuns is nie om een goeie jaar te he nie maar om Jaar in en Jaar uit n hoe vlak van prestasie te handhaaf,ek hoop hulle kom die bult uit…

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  21. Dankie menlo vir goeie dag se rugby! Tx vir die goeie gees tussen die twee skole! Julle het ‘n goeie span!

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  22. Baie geluk aan al die Boishaai, Garsies, Witbulle en EG manne. Almal goeie wenne. Congratulations to all the KES boys, 2nd win against top Afrikaans Pretoria school this year!

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  23. @Rugbyman: Well done. Het pas die game op SSL gekyk.
    Garsies het mooi gestruktureerd gespeel en Menlo het 2 langafstanddriee van omgekeerde besit gedruk, anders was die score groot.
    Baie verwarring met die ref wat baie ekstra tyd toegelaat het na die hooter, wat self na baie ekstra tyd geblaas het.
    Moet se die SSL co-kommentator het homself elke keer natgepiepie as Menlo gedruk het of dit gelyk het of ‘n drie kan kom.
    Maar nou ja as jy jou span support gaan jy seker sukkel om onpartydig te wees. Wil sommer man of the match aan Menlospeler gee.
    @Chronicle: Eat humble pie mate. Your prediction was far off.

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  24. @Rugbyman: Baie geluk met Garsies. Hulle gee myns insiens die pas aan in NV die jaar. Ek (en
    baie ander Affies Ondersteuners) sal graag wou sien dat Garsies-Affies Game volgende jaar weer op die kaarte sal wees. Ek verstaan dat julle tussen 16-18 spanne Kan gee? Dink julle onder 15 teenwoordigheid by FS week het bewys watse belangstelling daar is as die 2 spanne speel.

    @Skopgraaf243: Dink die skeidsregter het een groot fout gemaak toe hy bevind het dat Zeilinga julle vleuel “dood” geduik het. Moes eintlik 3 vir Menlo wees en OP daardie staduim was julle net ‘n paar punte agter.

    Nietemin, Garsies het sjampagne rugby gespeel en sal niks van daai mooi wen wegvat nie. Geluk aan beide spanne wat werklik mooi rugby opgedis het

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  25. @4×4: Dankie vir die mooi woorde… Daar is seker n moontlikheid dat die 2 skole volgende jaar weer sal speel… 😜

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  26. Framesby 59- Marlow 0
    Grey Pe 71 – Daniel Pienaar 5
    Brandwag 49 – Humansdorp 24
    FRAMESBY making a statement in Eastern Cape.

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  27. @4×4: Jy vergeet, in daardie beweging waar die fout gemaak is deur die ref, is albei spanne teruggeroep en albei het geelkaarte gekry.
    So ‘n drie indien daar een sou wees sou deur die oortredings geneutraliseer gewees het.

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  28. Baie geluk Bere … beter span op die dag het gewen!

    Die 0/16 wedstryd was van hoog staande gehalte met die Bere wat terugkom om gelykop te speel.

    Geluk ook aan Menlo se tweedes wat die eerste oorwinning in jare teen die Bere behaal.

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  29. @Djou: I am the first to apologise when I am wrong.
    I also said I will apologise to Rugbyman, although he doesn’t want it. But I am apologising, neverteless.
    Congrats on the win.

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  30. @Djou: Welokom terug, baie manne het jou gemis op die blog, ek het gesien dat sekere ouens selfs na jou verlang het. :lol:

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  31. Dankie aan Menlo vir hul gasvryheid vandag. Great rugby gewees. Garsies se juniors het regtig verbaas. Menlo se eerstes hoef glad nie sleg te voel nie, op die dag was Garsies net beter. Ek dink ons gaan mekaar weer later speel.

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  32. Baie geluk HJS, julle was die beter span. Ek wonder waar gaan Roos opeindig in die Wynland. Nul uit 2 nie ‘n goeie begin in SA. Daar is ‘n massiewe verskil tussen Sanix kampioen en realiteit. As jy jou wil toets teen die bestes lyk my moet jy dit sommer tuis doen.

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  33. @Djou: Seems like it Oom 👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰👨🏿‍🦰

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  34. @Arend: Ek kon net ‘n gedeelte van die wedstryd kyk, maar uit die afgelope twee weke se rugby lyk dit of hul verdediging uit gebroke spel hul die wedstryde kos.

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  35. @Arend: Paul Roos wen net die tweedes, verder het HJS alles gewen. Ek dink n pluimpie in die hoed van die werwing by Boishaai.

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  36. @Rugbyman: Geluk. Great wen. Dis groot. Julle juniors is ook warm. Djou jou bees… Jy maak die blog weer interresant. @Skopgraaf243: Glo vir my Menlo sal semi-final maak…Jammer oor die juniors… Daar gaan egter nog baie water in die see loop!

    Mini-world cup hierdie VirSeker Beker…

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  37. @Jan Kriel: ek moet sê dat daai twee HJS senters baie beter is as die Roos se twee. Ek stem saam hulle verdediging na eerste fase is nie wat dit moet wees.

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  38. Vraag: As jy Affies Ondersteuner sou wees, watter derbys sou jy “sacrifice” om Menlo en Garsies te speel. Hou in gedagte dat Virseker dalk nie opsie is nie.

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  39. Aan my alma mater: Baie geluk met julle mooi wen vandag oor ons aardsvyand Volkies. Baie werk egter oor as ek na die juniors se uitslae kyk

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  40. @4×4: Geluk met die wen. Bly Affies is terug.
    Affies hoef nie noodwendig derbies op te gee nie. Daar is Saterdae wat Affies af het terwyl ander spanne friendlies speel.
    Maar indien wel, Diamantveld.
    So een derby opgee en een Saterdag meer speel en dan het jy jou antwoord.

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  41. Sjoe..nie gedink EGJansen gaan so groot telling teen HTS Middelburg op HTS se tuisveld opsit nie. Die telling verbaas my. Geluk EG Jansen. Maar ek moet sè dat dit lyk of HTS Middelburg helse sterk junior spanne het. Groot verbetering van 2018. Veral HTS se o/16 span lyk baie sterk volgens die tellings wat ek al gesien nie.

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  42. Heidelberg Volkskool wen ‘n naelbyt stryd teen Oos Moot lyk dit vir my. Wel done Volkies!! Kempton Park verloor net net teen Eldoraigne volgens telling op ander blog. Jammer Kempies. En amper verras Noordheuwel vriend en vyand. Verloor met 8 punte teen Helpmekaar.En Monument neem wraak teen Transvalia nadat Valia hul in 2018 geklop het in Virseker beker. 8-O

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  43. @Rugbyman: saw some of the tries your team scored today – looks like a very well coached team – even if you poach in the cape (not perlemoen), they still need to be coached, and you are clearly doing something right!

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  44. @Murrayfield: moet nie te seker wees dat Menlo die semis gaan haal nie. Hierdie jaar se kompetisie is seker die hardste van almal. Alhoewel dit lyk of Garsfontein en Monument die voortou neem kan enige iets gebeur. Die game tussen Waterkloof/Monument bewys daarvan. Die enigste onoorwonne span in Virseker sover die jaar is Helpmekaar maar ook seker nie meer vir lank nie. Die pad na die semis gaan moeilik wees. Nog een of twee verrassings kan dalk beteken dat ‘n gunsteling nie die semis haal nie. Gaan ‘n interssante Virseker beker wees.

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  45. @The O: Well done today,can’t wait to see your team in action.Will try to get to the game on Theusday,see what the BB is up to.Wont miss the interschool this year.@apple: I’m sure your comment will be much appreciated by @Rugbyman.Whats your impression of 15,who imprsed you otherwise?

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  46. Good win today for Garsies. They let a few opportunities go abegging in the first half due to below standard passing out wide and when the scores were close I thought it would cost them. In the end a good team effort to put the result out of range in the second half. Menlo is proving to be a bit of a rollercoaster ride this year. At times they showed how lethal they could be with excellent support running and linking but when push came to shove they just didn’t seem to have the same burning desire to win as the Bere had. Garsies seemed very quick to arch over tackled ball and contest for the turnovers. That can be soul destroying to an opposing team who were hoping for clean front-foot ball.

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  47. More Jakes
    Ja jys heeltemal reg. Ons het geweet dat ons 1e span hierdie jaar nog n moeilike jaar sal hê. Hulle het egter weer die trots om n Rooibultrui aan te trek terug gebring.
    EG was die beste span op die veld. Baie klinies en elke fout van HTS uitgebyt en gescore. Baie geluk aan hulle. Baie emosie in die wedstryd met oud Rooibulle in die swarttrui. Wel gedaan Jansen. Goeie afgerigte span. Sterkte vir die res van julle seisoen.

    Ja ons is trots op ons junior spanne, veral die 0/15’s wat verlede jaar se verloor kon omdraai van 55-5 na 10-10 die jaar. Baie harde werk lê nog egter vir ons voor om weer konstant in die top 20 in die land gereken te word. Gelukkig beweeg ons in die regte rigting.

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  48. @Djou: Valia het nooit opgegee. Die Ras van Rooyenveld het maar n manier om die Wit Bulle te help.

    Ons het ook sonder Ses beginspan gespeel agv van beserings en niccles

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  49. College coaches must be fuming. They had 2 penalties at the end of the game and they didn’t go for poles.

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  50. Really enjoyed the KHS/Lichtenburg derby yesterday. Two evenly matched sides, what seemed to be a good crowd and some quality players on both sides that would not look out of place in bigger company. Lichtenburg 1,3,9 and 15 deserves a mention, KHS 9,10,12 and 13. My man of the match the KHS 2 though, what an engine, 70min of commitment and some great touches ball in hand. Great that these games get a bit of airtime, like the Witteberg/Bethlehem Voortrekker game a few weeks’ ago. Shows our school rugby is still healthy and there is still a lot of untapped talent out there

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  51. @The O: yeah consistency has definitely been absent from the Candies season thus far. They have the players and potential to be a good team and yet some of the scores put up against them don’t reflect this but I guess overall it’s been the sort of SBR season where the losing team can appear to be in the game competing reasonably well in vital aspects of play and yet still concede tries that make the end result look fairly one sided like the Jeppe and Hilton matches. For PBHS 3,5,8,9,10,injured 13 and 14 all good players.

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  52. @Djou: dit is een ding om n baie goeie seisoen te he….dit is baie moeiliker om daardie vlak konstant te handhaaf….en dit is hulle grootste uitdaging op die staduim om voort te bou op verlede jaar

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  53. @Beet: Agree. Injuries also had a big impact. Playing Jeppe straight after the Kearsney festival with 5 players out and no time to practise was always going to be difficult. Hilton was disappointing. We now have both 12 and 13 back from injury, but lost three guys due to concussion again, but that’s rugby, and it’s the “luck of the draw” in any given season.

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  54. @Beet: On another note, I’m a bit worried about the state of rugby at Saints. In 2015 we had 19 fixtures against them, last year 15 and this year only 12..Not a good sign…

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  55. @Cappie: Sien @Ploegskaar het verwys na die game,sien jou Alma het verloor.Wat n game…Soos hy se,baie talent daar.Weet daai Klerksdorp span is al warm van gr.8.Bly om te sien dinge lyk goed by Ben Vorster, Heidelberg Volkies, Lichtenburg, Klerksdorp ens.Rugby op die plateland darem nie dood nie.

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  56. @apple: Thanks for the compliment, but we are a team of coaches all doing their bit! I certainly cannot take the praises for myself… have a good Sunday

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  57. 8-O Wat het gebeur by oos-moot? Hulle mis regtig hulle groot voorpak van laas jaar. Maak simpel foute en slegte besluite.

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  58. @Bergskilpad: Kan jy vir my die bevestig asb. 21-1-0 (Wen-Verloor-Gelykop) teen Paul Roos Gimnasium. Die skole publiseer nie hulle resultate.

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  59. Nelspruit het duidelik nog nie die bodem van die peervormige gemors bereik nie. Wat ń geploeter!!

    Bly vir KHS!

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  60. @4×4: Ek is nog steeds besig met my ondersoek oor die +22 skole in Suid Afrika;
    Affies – 29 spanne
    Grey College Bloem – 27 spanne
    Paarl Bois High – 27 spanne wat gespeel het, een blogger het gese hulle het 32 spanne.
    Maritzburg College – 25 spanne
    Pretoria Bois High – 25 spanne wat al gespeel het, het in die verlede meer spanne gehad.
    Glenwood – 25 spanne
    KES – 24 spanne
    Paarl Gimnasium – 23 spanne
    Paul Roos Gimnasium – 22 spanne
    Geen ander skole het dan 22 en meer spanne volgens my nie.
    Hoeveel spanne het Menlopark en Garsfontein dan sal ek jou laat weet?

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  61. @Rugbyman: Dit sal aanhou totdat daar vernuwing kom.

    Ons het werklik ń nuwe plan, atmosfeer en personeel nodig.

    Daar is manne in Pretoria en omgewing wat van die Laeveld se suurstof hou, en dalk is dit tyd om energie in daardie rigting te skuif….

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  62. @Valkie: Ek kry julle coaches baie jammer… dis goeie manne, goeie coaches… van die kantlyn af dink ek julle het ander probleme…

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  63. Met die seisoen wat halfpad is, is die my opsomming so ver;
    Maritzburg College: 44-5-1 (2 x +22 Derbys)
    Grey College Bloem: 35-17-2 (2 x +22 Derbys)
    Affies: 35-35-3 (3 x +22 Derbys)
    Paarl Gimnasium: 34-9-2 (2 x +22 Derbys)
    Paarl Bois High 29-19-1 (2 x +22 Derbys)
    KES 24-22-1 (2 x +22 Derbys)
    Paul Roos Gimnasium 23-42-0 (3 x +22 Derbys)

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  64. @Jan Kriel: Baie Dankie ek sien net 21 spanne van Paarl Bois High se 27 spanne het teen Paul Roos Ginasium gespeel. Lyk of 19H Evergreens A gespeel het.

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  65. @The O: I know rugby participation numbers are slowly dwindling. Those Saints numbers amount to quite a steep decline though. I wonder what’s contributing to it.

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  66. @AffieOuer – JR: Perhaps it will be a good exercise to examine rugby participation in relation to school size as well. Maybe even look at the impact of hockey.

    I know a school like Paarl Gim does incredibly well to put out as many rugby teams as they do and they still have hockey. In terms of number of boys, Gim is roughly the same size as the average Noordvaal co-ed, yet those NV co-eds struggle to put together 15 rugby teams and a few don’t offer much by way of hockey. Many who have come through these co-eds have formed the heart and soul of the rugby loving support base in SA yet it seems like fewer and fewer have continued on to play rugby up to their matric year.

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  67. @beet: May be it is due to the Dunnig-Kruger effect, they don’t realise how stupid they are, when stop playing rugby :lol:

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  68. @AffieOuer – JR: Probeer jy n case bou dat Affies die meeste spanne kan “field” of wat se case study is dit?Ek neem aan jy probeer bewys Affies het baie spelers?

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  69. @AffieOuer – JR: Enigste skool wat nie n seunsskool in jo post is nie is Paarl Gim. Onder korreksie het al die Seunsskole +/-meer as 1200 seuns. Die meeste Co Ed skole het tussen 700 en 800 seuns. Waarvan minder as die helfte rugby speel. Monnas kan vanjaar die volgende spanne gee:
    5x o/14 spanne
    3x o/15 spanne
    3x o/16 spanne
    6x senior spanne

    Dus ‘n totaal van 17 spanne.
    Baie min Skole wat deelneem aan die VirSeker Beker kan hierdie spanne vir Monnas gee.

    HTS Middelburg is die enigste seunsskool in die VirSeker Beker.

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  70. @AffieOuer – JR: In my tyd 85-89,het die meeste skole 1-4,en A en B spanne gehad by die /14 en /15.Daar was nie /16 Nie.Rugby op skool en snr rugby was Nie gesonder Nie,dit sal nooit weer daai vlak van excellence ruik Nie…

    IMO as n Skool kan 1-4,en A en B by die onder spanne gee,is dit meer as voldoende.Dit gee jou 230 seuns wat ernstig wil rugby speel, nie rond t#s Nie.

    Dis belangriker om te Probeer om bogenoemde scenario by soveel as moontlik skole te probeer kry as hierdie magsvertoon waar seuns 3 games n dag speel net sodat die Skool kan se ons field soveel spanne.Bogenoende scenario hou rugby gesond en sorg dat dit groei,dis n maklike som,kwaliteit vs Kwantiteit.

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  71. @knowthegame: Die sudie wat ek doen is om te bepaal teen wie Affies moet speel en wie nie, dit help nie Affies het so baie spanne maar die seuns sit elke tweede naweek by die huis nie, want die ander skole het nie soveel spanne nie. Ek wil so ‘n brief rig aan Mr. Deon Botes.
    Bv. dit help nie Affies speel teen Helpmekaar (net 12 spanne, 2019) in ‘n skole Derby nie, meeste van die seun speel nie, Helpmekaar het net A spanne, Affies kan hulle by die Wilkdeklawer speel as voorbeeld, daar speel die A spanne teen mekaar.
    Vat bv. Grey College Bloem wat teen Paarl Gimnasium speel by die Wildeklawer, die seuns mis uit op seker een van die beste skole Derbys in Siud Afrika. Net so ook Affies wat teen Paarl Bois High speel op die Wildeklawer, speel liewers Paarl Bois High in ‘n skole Derby as net die A spanne by die wildeklawer.

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  72. @Djou: Ek dink jou opmerking is swak smaak. Hoe kan jy n klomp kinders koop en as die wat oorbly, dan so verkleineer. Miskien moes die “Transvalia/Monument span” maar met hulle tweedes gespeel het

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  73. @bokbal: So, as ek vorige plasings in ag neem, speel van julle seuns tot 3 wedstryde per dag om vir Melkbos A “n game te gee. Well done.

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  74. @AffieOuer – JR: die kostes aan daai derbies in die kaap is HOOG,Grey speel reeds twee Kaap skole wat beteken ten minste een kaap mini toer elke jaar…sou jy Gimmies by voeg is dit twee kaap trips elke jaar,en aangesien die ouers vir die vervoer betaal kan jy seker insien dat mens nie al die bulle in die kaap kan vat elke jaar nie sit daarby Durban PE en Pretoria soos verlede jaar wat weg games was dan raak dit maar n duur besigheid

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  75. @Smallies: Jy mis die punt. Die groot uitdaging is om spelers wat jy ontwikkel het te beskerm teen ‘n skool soos Monument wat daadwerklik baat om graad 10 kinders by ander skole te steel

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  76. @Wondermaar: KES vs Waterkloof was a very entertaining match. KES dominated territory in first half but only lead 12-7 at half time. Second half KES played some super rugby to run away with it as WK seemed to run out of gas. When the KES placekicker was replaced through injury 8 easy points were missed so the score could easily have been bigger. WK also missed a relatively easy conversion.KES’s no 11 was outstanding again and how he didn’t make any of the CW teams is beyond me.

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  77. @Jan Kriel: aha, nou is ek met jou! Glo nie dit is die geval by Boishaai nie. In my tyd was ons net-net 700 seuns as ek reg onthou, en ons het tot en met ‘n 0/19H (of Hommels) gehad en niemand hoef 3 games (of selfs twee) te speel om die spanne vol te maak nie. Vandag is Boishaai net oor die 800 seuns so ek glo ‘n o/19I span maak sin, met niemand wat meer as een game hoef te speel nie. As dit nie die geval is nie, is hulle rerig nice om Melkbos A te akkomodeer soos jy terreg sê 😜 👍🏼

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  78. @Jan Kriel: So Gim het 23 spanne met 580 seuns,dit gee jou 529+ om Al die spanne te diens as almal Dan net een game speel.

    So julle masjiene het net 50 seuns in die skool wat nie rugby speel nie… 8-O Ons het ona tekorte hierbo maar gesonde verstand is Nie een van hulle Nie…Nou try weer 8-O 8-O 8-O

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  79. @Chronicle: Menlo gaan wen want hulle is die beste afgerig? Ek dink totdat jy jouself “ontbloot” moet jy jouself eerder Johny English noem. Jy en Skoorsteen familie?

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  80. @beet: Must say,I was worried at halftime,Menlo,like Grey and Monnas exploited the lack of pace Garsies has on right wing. The Bere were very good second half.

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  81. @Grizzly: Jy gaan jou wiskunde moet verduidelik…23 spanne is 345 spelers, maw omtrent 235 (40%) van hulle seuns speel dan nie rugby nie of hoe?

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  82. @Grizzly: Tyd om te gaan slaap, jou Sondag was te lank,dink voor jy ink, 23 spanne maal 15 spelers, (kop dit?) = 345 rugbyspelers, 60% van die skool se seuns.I rest my case

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  83. Grizzly has been working on the squad system of 23 per team that’s how he came up with 529 (23 x 23)

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  84. @Smallies: As ‘n ouer dink ek ook aan die kostes, ek wonder of dit die hoof rede is dat die skole nie teen mekaar speel nie, dit het my R 1950 gekos vir my seun Paarl Gimnasium toe te gaan en R 600 Grey toe.
    GCB vs HJS – R 1950
    GCB vs Affies – R 600
    GCB vs Grey HS – R 800 (Beraamde bedrag)
    GCB vs Glenwood – R 800 (Beraamde bedrag)
    GCB vs Paul Roos – R 1950
    GCB vs Paarl Gimnasium – R 1950
    Totaal: R 8050 / 2 = R 4025 gemiddeld per jaar per seun. Een jaar kan dit R 4500 kos (HJS, Affies, Paul Roos) en die ander jaar kos dit R 3550 (Grey HS, Glen, Paarl Gim)
    Weet jy of die realisiese kostes is, weet jy wat betaal GCB na die weg skole toe?
    So om Paarl Ginasium by die bepalings van GCB te voeg is dan +/- R 1000 duurder per jaar.
    Hier is die vraag: As ouer haal jy die geld uit en jou seun speel meer rugby of sit hy meer by die huis?

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  85. @Mountainview: @Jan Kriel: So n span het 15 en Nie 23 spelers Nie,AS ONS HOU BY DIE BEGINSEL VAN EEN SPELER EEN GAME.Julle argument berus op die feit dat spelers net EEN keer speel,Nie 2 of 3 keer NIE. :idea: Thanks Jan maar hierdie is nie die Kaap nie,nie groot op slaap in Gauteng Nie. Gauteng moet vir homself en die Kaap sorg.Of dink jy rerig dis Kaapse geld wat daar alles om jou gebou het 8-O ??

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  86. @AffieOuer – JR: verlede jaar was die kostes vir die boishaai naweek min of meer R1000 as jy sakgeld en so aan by reken ,maar dan is dit nog nie eens jou as ouers se onkostes as jy die games wil gaan kyk nie ,gastehuise petrol kos ,ek skat dit kan n gesin van 4 maklik R5000 kos vir so n naweek indien hulle ook kaap toe gaan

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  87. @Beet: @Grizzly: I thought as much, hence the question. To be honest though, how many schools really have a “squad system” for all of their teams all the way down through their lower ranking teams? – I dont think many, if any. Doesn’t the “squad” of any given team mostly consist of the first choice players plus the reserves from the lower ranking team? It just sounds like a luxury very few schools will be able to manage, unless of course you are prepared to cut the number of teams per age/open group so you that you can provide for these extended squads. Based on a 23 player squad, thats a full extra team for every two “squads”!

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  88. @Smallies: Smallies, ek het die sommetjies al gaan doen, en kom al ‘n paar jaar daarmee aan. As jou kind ‘n toernooi speel wat drie dae of meer duur,en buite ‘n dagreis ver is, kan jy jou reg maak vir R10 000 plus. Dit sluit toernooifooie, vliegkaartjies, motorhuur, gastehuusverblyf ens in. Vir baie ouers gaan dit nie volhoubaar wees nie

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  89. @Mountainview: TBH I thought Grizzly had made an honest mistake by using 23 instead of 15. I would go with 15 per team and maybe at an extra 5-10 in total for the each bottom team per age group, on assumption that there are boys who want to play but just not enough of them to make the extra teams.

    I also think the analysis has to extend to other Saturday mainstream sports of which hockey is by far the most popular of the other winter sports. In theory it should be easier for a school that does not have any or much boys hockey going on to have more kids available for rugby. I know when you do those sort of equations, the 3 KZN privates Hilton, Kearsney and Michaelhouse have extremely high participation percentages. Rugby on its own is in excess of 50% and that can easily be in excess of 70% when adding in hockey. At the same time it makes no sense for the state schools to get to those %’s because there just would not be anyone opponents for their teams to play against on most weekends and they may have issues finding enough fields as well for practices, maybe even Saturday matches.

    I thought the point made by the Brandwag (EC) supporter on a different thread about the costs of fielding C&D teams in a time when budgets are becoming tighter to manage, was also quite interesting. It might not be in line with their educational values for a school to not offer sport to the less capable sportsmen but when weighed up costs they may not have a choice.

    I think the other variables about the kids of today and their distractions that make rugby or anything else that forms an after school hours commitment, a no-no, have been discussed on a number of occasions on the blog as well.

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  90. Geluk aan Ben Vorster met mooi weg oorwinning oor Marais Viljoen
    Geluk aan al die ander wenspanne ook, baie close games gewees….Klerksdorp/Lichtenburg was ‘n riller, Heidelberg oor Oos Moot, Frikkie Meyer oor Pietersburg en talle ander oor land heen….senutergende games :mrgreen:
    @Mr. Rooies: gaan my verstand te bowe dat mense dink HTSM is ‘n seunskool….seker al 30 jaar nie meer nie.
    Hul dogters is dikwels beter as hul seuns, veral netbal….elke jaar Wildeklawer, talle nasionale kampioenspanne opgelewer oor die jare

    Wat ek bitter graag wil sien is HTSM en Middelburg weer teen mekaar op rugbyveld
    Een van die grootste derby’s in land, seker 5 decades jaarliks teen mekaar gespeel, en skielik van laasjaar niks meer nie

    Ek weet liga het verander, maar so tradisie kan nie weggegooi word nie
    Ironies het HTSM meestal gewen oor laaste 30 jaar, maar MHS het. geweldig verbeter laaste 2 jaar.
    Verlede jaar vier Middelburg hul 100ste jaar, met ‘n span wat groot gusteling teen julle sou wees, gegewe julle probleme laasjaar…….wat beter manlier om jou 100ste jaar te viler as met oorwinning oor die old enemy?😀
    Vanjaar het hul ook goeie span, dink dit sal fantastiese tweestryd gewees het
    Wat gaan aan, wanneer sien ons julle weer swaarde kruis?

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  91. @Grizzly: Spanne bestaan uit 15 spelers. Die reserwes kom van die laer spanne af en speel net as daar beserings is. Dit maak mos nou geen sin om n speler wat klaar n wedstryd gespeel het op te bring in die laaste 10 minute vir “impak” nie..hy het klaar n wedstryd gespeel. Dit werk al donkiesjare so. 1ste span is die taktiek dalk bietjie anders maar die reserwes het steeds seccies gespeel. Daar is slegs een skool wat met n squad sisteem op 1ste span vlak speel waarvan ek weet. So selfs as daar 27 spanne in die veld gestoot word soos teen Grey (was selfs 28 in 2018), het Boishaai omtrent net 50% rugby spelende seuns.

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  92. En ek is amper seker niemand stel regtig belang nie, maar ek wil tog vandag bietjie spog met Jbay Laerskool.

    Ons /13 netbal span het oor die naweek teen die res van die Oos Kaap se top spanne in Oos Londen gespeel en is as provinsiale kampioene gekroon deur skole soos Sunridge en Hudson Park te klop. Hulle gaan dus die Oos Kaap in Johannesburg verteenwoordig in Julie.

    2de maal in 3 jaar dat dit gebeur – nie te sleg vir ‘n skooltjie in in aftree dorpie waar die Nr 1 sport branderplankry is nie.

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  93. @AffieOuer – JR: Persoonlik dink ek affies moet maar die bullet bite en meer nader aan die huis speel… ek het my redes hiervoor en gaan dit nie op die blog uiter nie! As Affies moeite doen kan hull laer spanne elke week teen van die kleiner Pta skole se A en B spanne speel, almal kan dus blootstelling kry…

    Dis ‘n lang gesprek, maar ek het my teorie en feite oor hoekom affies op die stadium so bietjie swaarkry… Baie van julle ouers soek die fout by coaching, ek dink egter nie dis noodwendig die geval nie! Daar is ander redes. Ek het BAIE pelle wat oud affies is en wat op die oud affie WhatsApp groep is. As ek so lees wat daar geskryf word kom ek agter dat die meeste van die manne ver uit voeling is met wat werklik in skole rugby aangaan. As jy hulle probeer reghelp hoor jy: ” Ja maar in my dae…” Baie van hulle leef in die verlede… Ongelukkig is dit nie meer die 80s en 90s nie! Kry my details by Beet as jy wil en dan kan ons chat!

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  94. @AffieOuer – JR: dit baie eenvoudig. As julle soveel spanne het gaan julle sukkel om @skole in Gauteng te speel. Affies moet maar aanpas by wat beskikbaar is. Om te se n game @Helpmekaar n waste, sal nie saamstem.Twee ouderdomsgroepe van julle A spanne het verloor en Eerstes het een van hulle min oorwinnings behaal. Om te wil spog hoe ver julle D,E ,F G, H en I’s gewen het dink ek meeste bloggers sal saamstem julle kan daai “bregging” rights julle baby maak. Baie skole het net 400 seuns en almal speel nie rugby nie. Berg fietsry , adventure racing en soveel ander sporte is by moderne skole n opsie. Jy hoef nie rugby by sekere skole te speel om te voel jy is in ni. As julle to C spanne kan speel, vat dit . Ek dink in elke geval kwaliteit beter as kwantiteit

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  95. @Grizzly: Meneer, I cannot agree that only A and B sides play serious rugby. If you had to visit College on a Saturday morning you will find guys playing their hearts out right down to the F teams. And there is no lack of commitment or guts – I personally saw my sons u 16F side being handed a hiding by a Durban school u16A side – 40-0 at half time and shortly after the break when the score hit 50-0 the ref wanted to stop the match. He nearly had a riot on his hand when the 16F boys pleaded with him not to stop the game – they wanted to play. After the kick in the backside the final score was 60 odd to 12, but the point is these guys want to play rugby. They are definitely not there to “t*s rond” . Incidentally, on this particular day these guys played away from home because there was another derby on at school, but the opposition could not field enough teams – hence the patchy matches elsewhere. These guys packed their stuff and raced back to school to try and see if they could sub for the E or D side – Hulle wil rugby speel Meneer.

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  96. @Rainier: hoe lyk stulting die jaar ,Stulting sportvdag kom nader en Aliwal sal seker maar weer die twee groot honde in Kouga moet speel,en Aliwal se spannetjie trek maar gewoonlik swaer teen daai twee skole ,ek weet 2011 2012 2013 en 2016 het Aliwal baie goed gedoen maar dit gaan maar sukkel sukkel van daar af ,maar die gees is altyd goed en die wind waai altyd daardie Saterdag….

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  97. @Smallies: Stulting het ‘n goeie span, hulle het nou die dag met Charlo afgereken en is nog onoorwonne in die Superrugby toernooi. Baie lekker /12 op 8 en word baie mooi afgerig. Die ander groot hond is seker Paul Sauer – hulle het die jaar die beste /12 rugbyspeler wat ek nog ooit gesien het. Hulle het nou die dag teen Sonop 43-31 gewen en hy het al 43 punte aangeteken. 8-O 8-O

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  98. @Skoorsteen: Skoorie, so jy meen dit is opvoedkundig deur 92 punte teen jou te kry en die game word 10 minute voor die einde gestaak.
    Ek is onseker of jy weet watse impak dit op kinders het.
    En daarby het ek gese geen disrespek teenoor Transvalia nie, maar jy het seker weer daardie deel geignoreer.
    Ek het gedink aan die negatiewe impak op die Transvaliaseuns se psige. Die gevolge van die groot verloor gaan ‘n domino-effek op hulle he vir die res van die seisoen.
    My punt was ook indien Monnas met hul 16-23 begin het en ‘n paar ander spelers laat rus het, kon dit ‘n nader game gewees het. En ‘n nader uitslag sou ‘n minder negatiewe impak gehad het op Transvalia.

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  99. @Djou: Dit bly nog steeds swak smaak om soos Monnas die beste spelers van Transvalia te koop, en dan ‘n stelling te maak dat Monnas eerder met hulle 2 des moes speel. Maar miskien is jy reg, as jy hulle nie kan wen nie, koop hulle.

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  100. @AffieOuer – JR: Weet jy dat skole in NV wat 5 oop spanne het ook vir van die 3es af wedstryde teen bv Midstream ens reel vir speelkans? Dis dieselfde probleem as Affies, maar Affies het dit op groter skaal.
    Die ding is 20 jaar geled was daar bv rugby, krieket en atletiek vir die seuns. Deesdae is daar baie meer sporte binne (bv hokkie, perdesport, jukskei, swem en waterpolo, ens ens) en buite skoolverband (stoei, judo, karate, kickboxing, boogskiet, driekamp, ens ens) wat seuns en dogters ‘n groter keuse gee.
    Dit is dus vanselfsprekend dat die aantal rugbyspelers sal verminder (behalwe by sommige seunskole).
    Die ding is, indien die skole bymekaar sou kom en goeie beplanning doen dan is dit baie moontlik om vir Affies in Pta-omgewing op meer naweke 20 of meer spanne te gee. Al wat nodig is, is die wil om dit te doen. en iemand moet die inisiatief neem en so ‘n vergadering reel.

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  101. @Redblack White: We believe you!The problem in Gauteng is that there are very few schools with more than a thousand boys we can field enough sides to satisfy Affies. Now if they only want to play schools who can field 6/7 age group sides they are not going to play often. Play Menlo, Garsies and Monnas and with proper planning try to accommodate smaller schools to play the balance on the same day and same venue. It has been done in the past but with Affies cherry picking they have become their own worst enemy

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  102. @Djou: jy mis weereens die punt. volgens jou is dit fantasties om kinders in hulle hoërskool loopbaan te ontwrig/skuif/koop. Jy blyk jou te verlustig in die Transvalia nederlaag. Hoe kan jy ‘n atleet se been breek, en as hy verloor, lekker kry daaroor? Ja, Miskien moes monument se 2des gespeel het. Heelmoontlik sien jy die opvoedkundige waarde om kinders in hulle hoërskool loopbaan te skuif. dit bly tog immers die ouer se besluit of hy vir die geld gaan val,of dan nie. Vir my gaan dit slegs oor die kind wat ontwrig word, en niks meer nie. Vir jou gaan dit skynbaar oor wen ten alle kostes, ongeag die impak op die leerder

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  103. @Skoorsteen:
    Jy is seker stadig van begrip, maar dis ok.
    Ek is nie betrokke by enige werwing nie.
    Moet ek dit herhaal, want jy kop dit duidelik nie. Jy maak ‘n growwe verkeerde aanname, maar dis ok ek verwag dit van jou.
    Nou, atwoord die vraag, is dit opvoedkundig?
    Dan beweeg ons na die volgende punt.

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  104. @Skoorsteen: Hi ou….. Jy is verskrik en soos ek al etlike male gese het oningelig oor die Valia seuns by Monnas.
    Jy gaan n rooigesig he!!

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  105. @Murrayfield: Asb, lig my in. Groot asb, Ek wil nie ‘ n rooi gesig hê nie. Sal jy my groot asb inlig. Ek belowe Ek sal dit ten seerste wardeer.

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  106. @Redblack White Agree fully with you. C, D, E and F teams give it their all. I’ve watched many an entertaining u16 D team match. Boys playing to 100% of their ability.

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  107. @PlattelandMan: ja ek dink HTS Middelburg gaan regtig weer ‘n groot krag wees in 2021 as ek so na hul jnr spanne kyk. Hoop net hul bly in die beker afdeling van die Virseker beker tot in 2021 ten minste maar ek glo nie dit sal ‘n probleem wees nie.

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  108. Sjoe die Montana/Nelspruit telling verras my? Het Nelspruit nie so goeie dag gehad nie of het Montana ‘n baie sterk span die jaar? Nelspruit het net nou die dag naelskraap veeloor teen EGJ in ‘n friendly game.

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  109. @knowthegame: Sure. I don’t believe it’s the right approach either. It’s always been nice for College to play the likes of PBHS , Affies KES etc because all the teams get a game. But when you play smaller schools there’s always a way to find filler games and this is what happens a lot when we play the local privates for example. Maybe Affies should consider a few “local” days. This is what we are doing in PMB now where we play St Charles, Voortrekker and a few other local schools but in the end the A and b sides mostly get to play one another with a few staggers thrown in there. As long as the guys get to play they don’t really mind. Good luck

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  110. @Jan Kriel: 👍Solank die banter in goeie gees is,is ek in.Eks geleer as jy wil uitdeel moet jy kan ontvang ook :lol: @Mountainview: Ja dis nag in hierdie wereldtjie van ons…Raak regtig n grap.As die son sak is jy by die huis….moes daai reel vroer in my lewe toe gepas het,vra my vrou :lol:

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  111. @Jan Kriel: 👍Solank die banter in goeie gees is,is ek in.Eks geleer as jy wil uitdeel moet jy kan ontvang ook :lol: @Mountainview: Ja dis nag in hierdie wereldtjie van ons…Raak regtig n grap.As die son sak is jy by die huis….mies daai reel vroer in my lewe toe gepas het,vra my vrou :lol: @Skoorsteen: Wat rook jy?Ek soek ook daarvan.

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  112. @AffieOuer – JR: It is going to be very difficult for Affies to play Virseker in its current format without a system in place that provide games for the lower teams. In my opinion Virseker will not be a good comp for Affies if they want to look after all their teams. A parent from Menlo told me that they battle to fill their u/16 B team? I don’t know how true it is but looking at the difference in strength between their A and B teams I can believe it. In my opinion Affies, Grey and Boishaai are the schools with not just the most teams but also the most strength in their teams, Gim clearly has the strength they just don’t have the numbers. I think Affies will have to pick one or two Virseker schools and have derbies every year but the whole Virseker tournament will be very difficult. Grey has the same problem with the liga in Freestate, every year around this time they have a massive break. It is difficult if the school’s around you don’t have the numbers and /or strenght. It is strange to think that most NV schools with numbers are English and that explains all the games against English schools. We are blessed in the Cape, we have seven or eight schools that can field atleast four or five teams per age group and then our neighbors from George and Riverdale. Still we use smaller schools to play the lower teams if needed. Some of our teams will play against smaller schools during the week if they can’t get them a game over the weekend with the rest of the school. Just something interesting when my son played u/14 trials they were 187 kids in his grade and ten teams played trials that day.

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  113. @Stier: For more years on the blog than I can remember, people have been telling Affies what to do. I’m not sure they are about to change anything. All super league schools will face diminishing opposition, and will have to suffer the cost consequence, as long as that lasts. The benefit of SBR is that we are all on the blog, with all our differences, purely because of our passion for SBR. It’s hardly commercial, but I wonder when the tipping point will happen. I’d like to know the stats on golf membership and participation, from my understanding it’s on the decline, and clubs are in trouble. More of my mates are activity participating in sport on weekends and less are watching, in particular rugby. MTBing has taken off over the last 10 years, however even the structured events are under pressure, with cyclists evolving towards off piste riding with eventing less of a big deal, and it’s become expensive. Many MTB events now include a trail run event. Lots of middle aged guys have gone back to surfing in DBN. I think we need to realize that there will be a tipping point for the sport we love, it would be good to get a futuristic view from @Beet on how he sees SBR unfolding in SA over the next 10 years. I haven’t been to King’s Park in 2 years and not sure if I’ll have a reason to go again.

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  114. @McCulleys Workshop: I totally agree all our sporting codes are starting to suffer. Wrestling is also struggling, the average family just can’t afford it anymore. I have long ago stopped watching SA professional rugby. In my opinion they are totally incompetent and short sighted. How can it take us over 25 years to transform? We shouldn’t be in a position where we still need qoutas, especially considering our rugby culture. We have been sleeping all this time and still there doesn’t seem to be any grassroots program to develop young talent that don’t have access to our traditional rugby systems (schools).

    If you consider the cost of playing rugby, it is getting to a point where even the more affluent families are struggling to keep up. A friend of mine told me his son’s first team year cost him almost R50 000 and then he still had to pay school fees. What if you have two or three kids? The average person just can’t afford it.

    I think we are going to end up with a handful of strong “rugby schools” in each province that will dominate and the smaller schools will not be able to compete. Not every school is going to get the support Grey managed to organize from Montpelier. Maybe that is the way to go but not all the schools will be bake to do it.

    It will be interesting to hear from some of the guys that are involved with their schools rugby programs.

    Who knows maybe the clubs can benefit from this and start pulling smaller schools into their structures.

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  115. @McCulleys Workshop: The difference for me is that SBR has a start and an end. Granted that the season starts earlier now, but at least it’s done and dusted in August – so one misses it for the following months till next Feb/March. Professional rugby is on throughout the year. It has now become a drag. I have found myself enjoying highlights more than a live game. The perks of professionalism and sponsors demanding more airtime. The day SBR reaches that level of professionalism will be the tipping point.

    @Stier: The obsession with making the A team is a huge contributor as well. You find boys quitting the game because they don’t make the A (or B team in some instances) crossing over to other codes. This coupled with unreasonable parents who believe their boys are the next big thing, and convince their boys of that. I’ve heard of parents who even move their kids to other schools because they did’t make the cut in their original school. Then there’s the issue of poaching which further squeezes the smaller schools. One factor that we tend to overlook is the issue of coaching. We are seeing a decline in the number of males who are taking up teaching as a career. It is expensive to get an outsider to come in solely for coaching – and gone are the days when fathers used to volunteer their services. This brings about a very big challenge for especially smaller schools where you will need to be in the top teams to get any decent coaching – if you have a coach at all. Kids will either leave for a bigger school, or quit the game completely.

    It will be interesting to see the SBR landscape 10 years from now.

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  116. @Playa: Howdy Playa, I guess it depends on how we define tipping point. For the purpose of this discussion I view the tipping point to be 1. when less schools are playing it, 2. when schools are putting out less teams, 3. when the sport succumbs to a super league – 8 / 10 powerhouse A league schools and a bunch of also rans.

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  117. @Stier: Hi Stier, it would be interesting to know the amounts that are being spent on rugby (coaches, facilities, tours, kit, transport, bursaries etc) by individual schools, in relation to other sports, as well as in relation to academics, which will obviously outweigh rugby spend, but it would be interesting research to see the ratios. This is where I don’t think it is sustainable. If you look at the current contraction in the economy, any additional spend required for Joe Sixpack to get his kid through school, is a stretch, there just isn’t always the disposable income. This is exacerbated by higher fees by the payers, to fund the bursaries. I heard an incredulous stat that one of the private’s has doled our R25 Bar in sports scholarships this year. I don’t see it.

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  118. @Stier: Useless fact of the day: My paternal grandparents lived in Suurbraak before the Group Areas Act was implemented in the early 60’s, and believe it or not, they were victims of forced removals. I have fond memories of visiting them during my early childhood.

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  119. @Playa: I guess you are right but just a few things I have experienced. In schools like Affies, Grey and Boishaai I don’t think you have that mentality that if you don’t play first or A team it’s the end. Three years ago the Boishaai scrummie came up from the E team to the first team. Saturday it struck me again how the A, C and D team boys were sitting next to the field and supporting their class mates that was playing for the B team. This while the seccies were playing on the A field. You are probably right it won’t be the same at all schools especially at smaller schools or schools that don’t have a strong rugby culture.

    As for the coaching, it is interesting that many schools don’t want parents or outside coaches to help. When my son was in grade four we asked the school if they can field a C team seeing that there was such a big demand for more teams. We offered to do the coaching in the evenings. They were not interested, the big problem was that they won’t be able to get games for that team as the league only catered for A and B teams at that stage. Just for the record 30 boys had to stop rugby at nine years old. As far as I know the tag rugby program for age groups six to eight were run by the parents and there were never a shortage of parents willing to coach.

    The big problem seems to be systems that are not working as they should. Everybody is just passing the bug. The school’s say it’s not their responsibility the unions say they depend on the school’s and the clubs just sleep right through this whole proses. You would think that clubs should get involved and help. In the Cape I know some primary schools do get club players and varsity players to help with the coaching of the youngsters but up north I didn’t see that kind of support. There might be but I didn’t see it. The point is all rugby lovers that are involved with the game should realize that they have a responsibility to grow and develop the sport not just their own teams. Somebody will have to take the lead and show the way or we will one day lose this part of our culture.

    One thing we must remember, for every two hundred or so youth players you have, you will likely get one senior player. The bigger the base the more senior players you get. I know some people don’t like tag rugby but I think it’s a great way to teach kids and coaches the basics of rugby. It teaches the basics of passing, running, support and attacking of space. It’s also a game that can be played on almost any surface. I know the big complaint is that it doesn’t teach contact. Maybe because I am in wrestling I don’t see tackling and defense as a difficult thing to coach or learn. The thing is some people like the physical stuff and others don’t no matter how good the coaching is. What ever we do we have to fix our system at the bottom if we want to be successful.

    The way things are going now only the privileged will have a shot at playing competitive rugby in future if it’s not already the case.

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  120. @tzavosky: Funny how our system worked, it is hard to believe there was a time like that. I had a beach house in Agulhas and I always use to drive through Tradouws Pass and when you get to the bottom to Suurbraak it feels like a different world. I can just imagine how much fun it must have been for a youngster to visit there.

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  121. @McCulleys Workshop: SJOE!!! 8-O

    @Stier: I enjoy Tag rugby. I played in a league for a few years up until last year when half my team mates moved to Joburg. Though there isn’t any tackling, but I think it is a great way to teach youngsters how to organise their defense.

    You touched on grassroots earlier – definitely something that needs urgent attention. And more importantly the emphasis on having fun needs to be at the center of this.

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  122. @Stier: I cannot agree more with your comments about involving as many players as possible in schoolboyrugby that like the game. If you want to play rugby create an opportunity at school level. Encourage every one to take part rather than show them away. I think that might be one of the reasons the Blue Bulls do not perform at Craven Week and other national competitions any more. Pierre Spies for example started for the u14F team and worked himself up to play first team at the end. In a school where the focus is only on A and B teams he might have been lost for rugby. We all know where he finished up eventually, albeit that he had to work very hard to get there. Always allow learners to participate and encourage participation rather than discouraging it. Quantity will look after quality.

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