South Africa u20 vs Georgia u20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-D1HFamU44&t=932s
South Africa u20 vs Namibia XV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV5r7cgucNw
South Africa u20 vs Argentina u20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNx-dJwWMI
South Africa u20 vs England u20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xgiaWOtgQc
7 May 2019: Head coach Chean Roux has effectively made seven changes to his Baby Bok squad ahead of the World Rugby Under-20 Championship 2019. Three players Dian Bleuler, Vaughen Isaacs and Angelo Davids (SA Sevens) have not played a part in the warm-up matches. Four players Elrigh Louw, David Coetzer, Mnombo Zwelindaba and David Kriel, are back in after not touring England and Wales
@BoishaaiPa: ek dink @Chronicle gee dalk indirek ‘n pluimpie vir Boishaai. Volgens hom is daar net koring in die silo. Maar tog het die pars druifskille (bietjie bitter) nodig vir kleur en geur ;-)
@Chronicle: Dis hoekom ek se jy kan nie die indivudu se kommentaar of houding met die instelling assosieer nie..enige persoon wat volwasse genoeg kan debateer sal dit kan verstaan en as hulle nie die onderskeid kan tref nie is dit nie die res se skuld nie. Indien jy nie die kaf van die koring kan skei nie sou ek bitter min van enige skool gehou of respekteer het want ek het al verskeie individue van verskeie skole ontmoet en mee gesels wat geen goeie ambassadeur vir hulle instelling was nie, maar mens moet dit sien vir wat dit is.
@BrotherBear: Dankie – ek dink ook jy het my verkeerd verstaan omdat my post nie volledig was nie.
Ek het eintlik bedoek my afrikaans is heel OK, maar jou engels is uitstekend.
@Spear: In die werklikheid!
Het jy nie in ‘n ander post gese daar moet respek vir mekaar wees nie, maar as ek vra dat bloggers daardie respek moet toon, dan leef ek volgens jou in ‘n droomwereld. Noe hoe contradict jy jouself so?
Dit is mos moontlik om met mekaar te verskil sonder om neerhalend te wees – en neerhalendheid is waarin @boerboel: spesialiseer en daarmee “taint” hy Boishaai se reputasie.
@BoishaaiPa: Ek mis nie die punt nie. Wat jy mis is dat indien die instelling se waardes vir jou iets beteken, sal jy die persoon wat uit lyn is en die persoon aanspreek wat die skade berokken aan daardie waardes wat jy voorstaan. Maar nou ja, jy het reeds gese dat @boerboel: kan se wat hy wil en jy gaan niks daaraan doen nie, so laat hom nou maar toe om jou skool se waardes verder af te breek.
En hoe meer mense sien hy kom weg daarmee, hoe meer gaan hulle Boishaai daarmee begin assosieer. Dis al wat ek vir jou en ander Boishaaiers probeer se!
@Chronicle: hehehe, jou ou grap-kas-jas-Las!
Jou humor is dalk net te ernstig, maar jy is ook geregtig op jou mening ;-)
@Chronicle: In watter droomwereld lewe jy?
@Chronicle: Weereens mis jy die hele punt..die persoon verteenwoordig nie die instelling.. Jy kan of wil ongelukkig nie die verskil sien nie en gebruik dit nou maar as basis vir jou anti Boishaai sentiment. Maar as dit jou genot verskaf geniet dit.
@BoishaaiPa: Nee wat, @boerboel: kry dit baie goed op sy eie reg om Boishaai te diskrediteer.
Pleks jy hom net op sy plek sit, maar jy is seker maar bang vir hom.
@BrotherBear: My afrikaans is heel goed dankie, anders as jou engels.
Nietemin, as ek jou kommentaar so bekyk dan lyk dit asof jy net regverdiging soek om ander te diskrediteer.
Mense wat dit doen voel gewoonlik ongemaklik in beskaafde gesprekke.
@BoishaaiPa: ons almal anvaar die reels hier ,en ek is al n slag aangespreek,ek dink dat as Beet voel dat iets te ver gaan hy daardie betrokke blogger sal aanspreek…ek dink nie dit is nodig vir sensuur nie en als is eintlik maar in good fun ,al lyk dit nie aldag so nie….
@Chronicle: Within the parameters allowed on this site. This has absolutely nothing to do with Boishaai or its ethos. Frankly sir, your attempts at discrediting an institution through this medium is rather pathetic
@Chronicle: “Nevertheless, I am not going to discuss another blogger any further…”. Assume there are two bloggers with the name Chronicle?
@Chronicle: hehehe, your reference to @BoishaaiPa’s analogy is rather digital. With your digits coming out too short. A lack of grasping the situation clearly also stems from a hint of anti-afrikaner and anti-boishaai sentiments. Soos ons in Afrikaans sal se; “jou onderrok hang uit” ;-)
@BoishaaiPa: Wow, with all due respect sir, your analogy of comparing a Sharks shirt with the values of Boishaai falls way short – and your reasoning covered maybe 50% of the issue at hand.
Agree, distinguishing between an individual and institution is important. But when one of your own oversteps and don’t adhere to the institution’s values, such person is normally brought into line by others representing the institution’s values.
But, your last sentence made it clear – according to you his comments (behaviour) are within the parameters allowed. In other words, constantly degrading someone (and enjoying it as it is repeated) is within the parameters allowed. Pulling this through to Boishaai, it is within the allowed parameters for Boishaai supporters to degrade others and it is not for you or anybody else to bring him in line.
But, you
@boerboel: Gatvel!
@Grizzly: jy maar jy het darem seker n jean kortbroekie onder jou skoolbroek aangehad?
@boerboel: Onthou op skool hoe baie my gat onskuldig geklap het
@Grizzly: he he
ja en ek was nie eers stout nie
@boerboel: Agree,for me the main purpose of the blog is info and to have fun.Nog steeds lekker om te sien jy kry Raas….
@Chronicle: So according to your philosophy if you wear a Sharks golf shirt on the golf course and behave like a hooligan I can assume all people who wear Sharks gear will behave the same and are hooligans and all people who wear Sharks gear will condone the behaviour, even if they weren’t even on the course?…Fortunately some of us can distinguish between an individual and an institution and can make up our own minds. It is not for me or anyone else to tell someone what he can wear or support or how to behave when it is within the parameters allowed.
@BrotherBear: jip,ek kan so sien
@boerboel: ek sien dit ook meestal humoristies, met hier en daar tikkie erns ;-)
Moet ook seker maar gelief neem dat sekere manne “hand on die blaas” vrinne is en die “bubble/s” met “mag en gesag” sal verdedig. Wees maar versigtig om te “degrade”, Ingelse hou van die “top position”, what, what!
@Leelu: Ek is regtig jammer vir hom. Sterkte daar.
Waar is ek “out of line”?
ek gee my opinie-as jy nie daarvan hou nie-moet dit nie lees nie
hierdie is kindersport-n paar manne is totaal obssesief-hierdie is veronderstel om n fun blog te wees-goeie genade
@Chronicle: as @boerboel, you have the full right to an opinion. It is just a little bit “old school” to try and sanction othes who we do not agree with. Just as it is the full right of other boishaai bloggers to not say anything about him. Rather punitive and unfair to now try and discredit all other boishaai Jersey wearers.
I am not defending the man here, but rather the principle.
I do not agree on how the racism card is played in RSA, but presently mass society drives the discourse.
@BrotherBear: Respectfully, I beg to differ. He wears his school’s jersey, so if he is out of line, silence from other representatives can be construed as support for him.
On singling out afrikaans and interpreting it as racism is going beyond the boundaries of racism. How else are you going to identify a culprit by not referring to some features if such person is only identifiable from his language and school? In your definition anything should then be racist.
Nevertheless, I am not going to discuss another blogger any further as it gives him publicity he does not deserve.
@Leelu: Ai,regtig jammer,Hou dan duim Vir Affies.
@Grizzly: Hamstring geskeur gedurende EG Jansen game. Uit vir 6 weke. Skraal kans dat hy dalk die Affies game (20 Julie) gaan speel. Dankie
@Chronicle: if you replace “afrikaans” in your sentences with any other “group”, the comments will be deemed racist in modern day, RSA. But, I will not judge.
@Skopgraaf243: @Smallies: @Chronicle:
@Leelu,Ek verstaan jou seun is beseer,gaan hy reg wees vir CW?Sterkte.
@Chronicle: if I might interject here; @boerboel’s views may not be popular with all, but he does not represent his “school” here. He merely voices his opinions. Calling on other “boishaai” supporters to interject sounds a bit fearful and smacks of a regulatory mindset?
@Skopgraaf243: hy is so dikvellig die dart sal buig…
@Skopgraaf243: No, please don’t dart the dog.
He is succeeding in isolating himself and the school he supports. Interesting that other Boishaai bloggers don’t repudiate him. Is it fair to say that they support his views?
If we don’t hear from them we have no choice but to believe they support him.
On another point. In the past I made a big issue of afrikaans bloggers taking a liking in degrading other schools. When I said this boerboel was the first person that sprang to mind.
I have since learned that most afrikaans bloggers are not like him.
I think the school he supports should take action against him.
@Spear: ….kan iemand nie boerboel dart nie
Waar is die wedersydse respek.
@boerboel: Gaan klim Nou terug in jou hok,voor ek die Stananator roep!!?
@Bush: Family all ok thank you. Sad we not seeing you for a braai at least. Hope you enjoying the Netbal at EG. Spend many an hour next to those fields. Go by a vetkoek across the street. Could recommend it in the good old days.
Send regards to the wife and all. Cammo sending his regards
@Smallies: hulle is goed -niks spesiaal though nie
@boerboel: welllllll witwarm Grey is nogal witwarm die jaar ….
@Smallies: se eerder niks nie-niks” witwarm” uitlatings nie
dan is die “egg on your face” nie so erg nie
@Smallies: well done met 2017–
maar jy kan nie verewig daaaan vasklou nie-life goes on
@boerboel: Hoor Helgard se niggie was olik-dit kan deels van die rede wees
@boerboel: craven week is nog nie eers begin nie ,wag maar tot die laaste fluitjie blaas….maar eers n blast from the past 2017 Vrystaat 53 wp 33.
@Smallies: ha ha
ou boggie-het hom laas ook van die forum laat retire-sien hy het nou net n dag gehou
maar moenie die onderwerp vermy nie
wat se verskonings het julle die jaar 
@boerboel: jy moet tog nie te veel praat nie,netnou kom iu stan weer uit en knip jou stertjie nig korter af as die vorige keer…
@boerboel: my magtig jou seerplekkies uiteindelik gesond geword…ek sal ook maar bietjie laag gele het as ek soos jy pakslae gekry het….jou puisies darem nou al uitgesort???
@Riempies: After such a great game against NZ. That’s very sad. Hope you and the family are well????
@Smallies: ou grote -sien nou eers
wat het fout gegaan met die witwarm grey/ovs spannetjie by bondedag?
klink baie soos laas jaar? seker n neutrale ref?
@knowthegame: jy weet wat hulle van sarkasme se ne…..
@Bush: Hi Bos. Glad to see you still alive. Jip got our assess handed to us.
Krieket teen AB’S baie goed, ek grap. Hoe dfk kon ons nie Kane Williams se vangkans refer nie. As hy uit was, was dit game changer,SHOCKING.Maar manne ons is maar net “renters” in ons eie beloved Country
@Spear: In MHO dink ek Chean is great en so ook Louis Skoen.Ons moet aanvaar ons het nie talent nie en aanbeweeg
Afrigting
Afrigting
Afrigting
Welcome to the loosers club Vroteas,soon to be joined by Boks in couple of months….
@Riempies: Are Semi’s over? Fork?where I’m staying they don’t have DSTV but they have n Oke soek Spear. Did we lose????
I wonder to what extent the players have scope to change the game plan and adapt to conditions (opponents)? The team looked a bit out of sorts with the French game plan and as @Riempies mentioned, just tried to bash even harder. No real thinking, adaption and game plan change. Good coaches enable their players. It seems the norm in several teams and levels is that coaches drill structure and form with very little allowance for own (or team) innitiative?
The biggest mistake the Bokkies made last night was again thinking that force over finesse will win the match. I was extremely disappointed with the game plan as I believed the plan against the BB was brilliant. We still in the mind-set that we can bullie any team upfront. Last night we could have kept the back line on the bench and only played with the forwards.
I do not think we passed the ball one’s to the wing. They were the best spectators of the night.
As I praised all the players in my previous post this time I can not do the same.
Ag nee manne…
What I can’t understand and I’m not being sarcastic now…If you look at Boishaai tour to NZ and the past 2 years WSF,at /18 level no one around the globe have an answer to our skill,pace, intensity,set pieces.etc.We like light years ahead ahead of anybody.
Yet less than 2 years later it’s gone…coaced out of the boys…I look at someone like Papier who’s demoted to SS challenge because of his KICKING game!!!IMO none of the Bulls nr 9 in his class…yet because he doesn’t fit in this kicking patern mentality,his demoted to lower ranks!! Slowly but surely his loosing his confidence and ability to believe, because he can’t put a uppie on a ticky!
Just something of the point…Is there a better rugby player than RG Snyman at the moment??
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@Smallies: Luckily I didn’t have me some of that pie!Very disappointing…I’m afraid this is more than good enough for SARU these days…semi final…so expect an exstention of contracts for coaching staff
@Oakdale supporter: ek moes die pie in die yskas los….
@Smallies: Jy het hopeloos te gou aan daai pie begin eet!!
Hopelik is die die einde van chean the visionless en louis the one dimensional. Ons kort regtig nuwe afrigters op O20 vlak….
@Vyfster:our guys were too impatient. They need to understand there is a difference between being fast (in execution) and being hurried. They were the latter. Bit of change in game plan at start of 2nd half gave them opportunities, but alas. French played without fear and effectively targeted our weaknesses.
Very disappointing….the Frogs were tactically more astute, we played right into their hands.
Frustrating to see, after a poor 1st half, to see us dominating the first 20 minutes of 2nd half, camping inside their quarter, crashing into them, conceding turnovers or make silly mistakes
Zero points for all that effort, first time they got in our half, concedes penalty…extends lead to 17-7
Conditions were not good, but poor performance…sadly
@4×4: ja, bal nie een keer verby senters gekom nie, selfs loskakel kwalik bal gekry…..frustrerende wedstryd….daar was spasie wyd….nooit benut nie
Frustrerend om die tipe 9 man rugby te aanskou, veral as jy dit so swak uitvoer…helaas, die NZ game het ons te gou bly gemaak
Hoeveel keer het die bal vandag geloop in ‘n volle agterlyn beweging? Wat ‘n absolute belaglike spel patroon
If ALL team members play without fear of failure, we should win easily tonight.
Die span mis Franke Horn geweldig.
I hear there is an existing you centre spotted in Bloem by the name of Le Fleur
The biggest difference between the warm up matches and how they play now is the game plan.
Well done for changing and start playing.
@Riempies: jou kommentaar is baie innemend en in opsigte waar. Tog weet ek daar is manne wat diep peins oor werklike bydrae.
@Bush: I think Pepsi probably had a few thoughts he kept to himself ;-)
@BrotherBear: That Ref was a cheap box wine. Pepsi did well not to tell him to Roll his Polony.
My biggest concern where our scrums and lineouts based on pre-WC games… They seem to have adressed this and our scrum functioned beautifully last night. I too am enjoying the humble pie..?
@star: KZN guys performing very well. Richardson is an absolute workhorse – flashes of Schalk Burger (scuze ze pun). He was also looking for work all the time. JJ needs to perform for longer than 10 minutes in a game, but showed his worth. Saw the ref become agitated with Pepsi’s frequent chatter. He should focus that energy on game.
@Jan Kriel: Howzit, Hopper will only be happy when he’s playing in his rightful position at 8.
@star: Howzit Star. You are correct, don’t under estimate the “Last Outpost”. How was that try JJ scored? The tight head prop of SA was a BEAST. Was a fantastic game, always nice to bend the AB’s over and give them a 2 3. As for that ref!!!!!!!!!! Great win for the KZN U20 Side, sorry man I mean SA U20 Side.
I believe there was a bit of controversy on the number of KZN representatives. Well besides JJ, DR was a human wrecking ball ,Pepsi Buthelezi led admirably from the front and Hendrikse controlled things beautifully from the base. I think we are sometimes too quick to down play the boys from the Last Outpost.
@Jan Kriel: Ek het gisteraand dieselfde ding gedink.
@Riempies: Wonder of Hopper al ophou smile het oor JJ se spel.
@Smallies: Soos jy eet ek ook baie graag van daardie koek. Die baba Bokies was uitstekend gisteraand. Elke liewe een van daardie manne verdien n kompliment.
Welgedaan!!!
Jissie….humble pie is lekker om te eet as die baba bokkies so speel ,well done chaps keep it up????
Nice to see a SA team bullying a NZ team. Well done boys!
As die span goed doen sal ek die heel eerste een wees wat hulle geluk wens
Thanks for update and perspective @Beet. The team has pleasantly surprised me from the first tourno game. Moves being done at speed, good angles running and good support play. Few guys definitely putting up hands to go far. Interesting to compare those that have “supersport” experience to others that are performing well?!
Few passengers though. Luckily there are formal and informal player assessment software programs available. More than hard work required though. If you don’t stand out as individual, you better make sure you let quite a few others stand out ;-)
@Vleis:
Yes,I have fond memories of those free cuppuchinous and scones!
Just in terms of location,I wonder what’s the market value for the land without improvements,both schools?
@Grizzly:
When my lightie had just started at St Alban’s, his first cricket game was at home v St John’s. One of the other gr8 parents (who also had a son in matric) told me to come and have some of the free tea and scones with him in the pavilion. I declined as I’d just had breakfast, but he replied, “Mate, we pay massive school fees…so you will learn in time to at least try to recover some of it!!” 
@Vleis: Good luck for this coming Sat, remember our conversation
I call it the derby of the breathtakingly beautiful…. 
Both schools by far the most beautiful in PTA and in terms of infrastructure and facilities don’t have any competition.
Both always very acomdative to the Union when it comes to trials and play off matches to use their top notch facilities, specially cricket.Alwyays looking forward to go there.
@Vleis: Howzit Vleis,I think you right in both instances.Muller being under contract, i think SARU decides for him.
@Ricardo12Volkies2012: I think that Apollis is still u19, so I guess that he will get another chance next year. Muller missed the u20 trials/camps as he was playing for the Blitzbokke. Also, the final Sevens Series event in Paris would clash with the u20 RWC, so perhaps he chose the Blitzbokke over the u20 RWC?
@Ricardo12Volkies2012: Apollis nie goed genoeg nie-du plessis is n interresante weglating
Odd that Apollis and Muller du Plessis won’t be there! Any specifics on why not? Did they just not make the team?
@beet: yes and no ,i feel that a union should invest in a player as a whole ,if they offer that player a junior contract tie it in with some sort of education be it a trade a diplome or a degree, dont just throw money at the kid and when he cant make the step up to senior rugby boot him out the door,at least give him something else to take away from there than torn acl ligaments
@PlattelandMan: Sorry. I assumed that since he was playing club in Durban he would be available for the Sharks.
Now that you have provided an update, I will change his union.
@PlattelandMan: @Smallies: I once knew a student who wanted to become a patent laywer, so he was getting a engineering degree and once completed he was planning to do a law degree. There was also articles and bar exams etc after that. Bright guy but couldn’t do the two degrees simultaneously. Becoming a top rugby player involves takes up time and is extremely hard work. So it’s a big ask for a student to get a meaningful degree and progress towards being a viable pro rugby player.
I spoke to a Varsity rugby recruiter recently. He said of 80 applicants only 10 met the Varsity academic acceptance standard, so we have to appreciate that even in these times of perceived lower educational standards, its still difficult for talented rugby players to make the grade.
Smallies is right though. The uncertainty of making it in rugby is high. If the option is there to get a degree its worth taking. For that to happen prioritise education at school.
@PlattelandMan: the Varsity Cup offers wonderful exposure but its not necessarily in SA rugby’s best interests (not that other decisions made of late by SARU have been). Look at UJ. They are reducing their rugby budget all the time. Soon they will be a VC Challenge team at the rate they are going. UCT is still academics first, rugby second. Rugby players posing as students are working towards Transport degrees. But the something that they offer to rugby is better than nothing. Hopefully something emerges that is well aligned to keeping SA on track as a leading rugby nation because this status is going to come under increasing threat.
@Smallies: Ek stem heeltemal saam. Teveel spelers wat im die verlede nie studeer het nie en dan gesukkel het met ‘n heenkome as sy kontrak dalk eindig.
@PlattelandMan: wether you get a R500 000 contract or a varsity bursery, prioritise your education in any case…
@beet: U think the safest bet for a player at school level is to prioritise academics. The Varsity system is improving leaps and bounds. Hopefully something can be done to make club rugby as competitive as it once was and give players a chance to showcase their skills.
I do think that more and more players will go abroad to make their money while they can.
@beet: @Wondermaar: I saw him play in the Saldanha super 8 series a while back and he did look quiet at forst as the guys do match him physsically.
I only saw him listed at the sharks in this thread. I very talented young man from a very humble background. Hopefully he gets a chance at a smaller union.
@Wondermaar: A combination of things worked against him I think. Firstly he turned 19 in matric which had proven to be a far more difficult route to the top especially when there was an U19 national championship.
Secondly he is quite a short player. Also the power advantage he had over peers is bound to be gone by the time he reaches u21.
Other than that, no reason he can’t bounce back if he has the right attitude.
@beet: @PlattelandMan: Very very strange that no union would have given conan a chance, in 2018 i thought he wil be one of the 20 year olds in superrugby????? Very strange
@PlattelandMan: CLF committed to the Bulls and not the Sharks after he left school. However his rugby career path in Pretoria was conditioned upon him getting into Tuks. When that did not materialise, he returned to KZN to play club rugby for a while.
The pro rugby career path was definitely not easy in the past and has been made even more difficult by the Rugby Unions feeling the financial pinch and ultimately reducing the number of junior contracts.
It makes for an interesting discussion though:
Hypothetically:
You are a schoolboy rugby player with an ambition of becoming a pro one day. It’s one of the riskiest career choices to make and the odds of succeeding are low and now there are fewer Union contracts than ever before. To improve your chances of succeeding, do you prioritise rugby over study? If you make the academic grade you can at least go to varsity, play in a relatively good system, while working your way towards a degree. But to assume you can pursuit both objectives (pro rugby and degree) with equal commitment is not realistic. A few have had the ability to achieve both. For most it eventually boils down to one or the other.
For the sake of our standard of senior rugby we should praise those with the talent who have the courage and conviction to chase their rugby dreams.
Net ‘n brokkie inligting wat interresant kan wees. Conan le Fleur en Caleb Dingaan het albei dieselfde laerskool loopbaan gevolg. Weet enigeiemand hoekom Conan weg is by die Haaie. Sien hy speel klub rugby by Vredenburg?
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So the Bokkis snatched it 35-31 in the dying minutes.
Well done!
Hope this is not a flash in the pan.
But what was different?
Yes the Bokkies got assistance from Welsh yellows, but such a drastic turnaround must have been caused by something.
Perhaps the players ignored the “coaches'” advice. Don’t know, but it can’t be coaching. That’s for sure!!
Het iemand dalk n link vir u20 Wales vs RSA ?
@Slam:
I didn’t say the starting 2 were the best either.
I agree, their conditioning is way below par. These guys can’t operate after 20 minutes, never mind trying to make 50 minutes in a game.
I agree 100% with you. You have to ask yourself, what has Chean Roux & Co been doing with the guys at these sessions.
There are better props from last years u19 comp, but were overlooked for that one reason – Numbers.
Speak to any of last years U19 coaches & ask them which team had the best front row & I can guarantee you that it wasn’t the Lions.
@JustThinking: wait, what you on about? The two starting props which which struggled from the first scrum were both U20 and both from the Lions. A few of the Eng side were 18 years old including their hooker who shone. It’s plain to see the coaching is an issue and was in 2018. The conditioning of the guys is terrible. They look unfit and some are in really bad shape (yes I’m referring to the props…how can this be acceptable when they rugby professionals). The coaching team have had these guys for multiple camps and warm up games and don’t have much to show for it in my opinion.
We have a tough group which includes Georgia, NZ and Argentina so may not even make it out. The fat lady is warming up in preparation for both Roux and Koen to be sacked.
@Han. The problem is half of them are straight out of school & were not part of the Sharks u19 team that won last year. You can not compare school rugby to u19 rugby. There are 2 props from said union in the current bok u20 team, yet at Sharks practices they also have a torrid time against the u20 props there. Yes people there are better props out there. No wonder our scrums are disastrous. Some guys make the step up from school rugby to open & a lot of these schoolboy hero’s don’t. That’s part of the problem. A lot of people automatically think that because a certain child was good at school, he must continue to be selected for teams after school.
I also agree that our whole rugby system needs to be re-worked from the top down. If you want to select a team with schoolboys, then there should be some kind of trials where these guys can play against guys that have played varsity, u19/u20 games. Then you can compare apples with apples & not according to his so called schoolboy hero status or from what school he came from. Those that ask why I say this, it’s because I saw it first hand at last years u19 comp. Guys that played Craven week or even made SA school side, the majority were well below par.
I also feel sorry for them & the game against Wales will be even tougher. Not nice going to a World cup with maybe 3 losses in a row. I think a lot of them will feel uncertain about their place in the team after Louis Koen’s comments.
So many things to change & correct, so little time.
@Han: the whole green squad system is bullshit….
@stier – 15 from Natal schools? How did you manage that? 9 boys from Natal schools of whom 1 now plays for the Lions. Do bear in mind that Natal U19 were unbeaten, last year. I feel for every boy who played against England and had been exposed to much better coaching when he was still at school.
I am sorry for every player who was overlooked, disregarded from u16 on because he did not meet the conditions set by incompetent selectors and scouts re school background, size and height.
@Chronicle – Agreed re our display versus Argentina. Francke Horn was the difference between Georgia and us. We had the majority of possession in the first half against England and were extremely toothless, but did well in shifting the ball across the field and losing territory.
@sparkie – sad, indeed, to see that SARU treats our talent pool with disdain.I come from a hockey and cricket background where we sifted the talent regional trials and sessions to identify the players that could make a difference with more exposure.
My heart felt for our Bokkies whose game was clear proof that their squad of coaches should not coach at any level.
@Arend: jy weet as mens die Instagram en facebook videos sien dan lyk die outjies soos n klomp afkop hoenders in die gim,maar die helfte van hulle se vorm is totaal verkeerd en daar lyk my nie is iemand wat hulle kan reghelp nie,verder tackle hulle duiksakke dat die hel draai ,maar mens sien nooit koppe stamp of lewindige scrum sessies nie,dis die heeltyd net n gehol….en dan is hulle nog steeds onfiks
@Smallies: ek stem. Ek het nog nooit in Cean Roux geglo. Hy en sy aangetroude familie familie binne SARU moet maar verantwoordelikheid vat. Hulle is egter soos politikuste, nooit hulle skuld of erken dat hulle buite hulle baan afrig.
@Chronicle: Roux was n gemiddelde speler gewees,en Koen was n baie baie een dimensionele speler wat eintlik maar net goed kon skop pale toe….en die is saru se hele probleem hulle is tevrede met mediocrity,in plaas van die beste mees innoverende mense in hulle veld in die land aan te stel,sal hulle eerders plonkers aanstel wat inpas by hulle amateuragtige manier van besigheid doen….
A number of issues.
Judging from history – since the new coaching team took over (Roux and Koen), kicking and driving mauls became the game plan and a team is selected to execute such game plan. But then execution was poor, so the skills coaching is bad, or the players can’t adjust.
Against Argentina it was clear this team will not make it – and when it becomes clear, change the team, or the game plan, or both.
Otherwise we will be one of the weakest teams at the u.20 Championship.
But, knowing the coaches, they will rather sacrifice the team than change their minds.
@sparkie: This teams selection goes beyond that. 15 players from KZN schools in the team LMAO? Quotas have killed our rugby, that is why I don’t follow any SARU rugby. Schoolboy rugby is the only merit rugby left in South Africa. I don’t know why u/20 rugby is a topic its got nothing to do with schoolboy rugby. We might as well talk about hockey or netball. Please just keep the politicians out of our schools.
@sparkie: Baie mooi gestel. Die probleem SARU, dan saam met dit boeties vir baantjies en op die oomblik die swakste afrigter in die geskiedenis van Junior Bok rugby. Hierdie man het geen vissie.
Hoe gouer hulle besef Ghrant Khomo, en Cravenweek is die klainste maatstaf hoe beter. Die meeste spelers val deur die sif agv ‘n skole keurder wat sy kind probeer inkry in ‘n groep of span. “Sy favourite”. Talent indentivisering moet glad nie op nasionale weke plaasvind, maar eerder Saterdae as skool spanne teen mekaar speel. Hier sê ek ook nie dat daar net na ons Elite skole gekyk moet word nie. Daar moet meer neutrale mense met regte rugby kennis en vissie daardie identivisering doen. Daar is agente in die land wat ek die wêreld se respek het, kry van hulle in om te help. Vir daai ou sal dit gaan om die beste op sy eie boeke te hê. Hulle het reeds die beste op hulle boeke, gee die manne net meer mag en sê. Hierdie speler sal dan vir SA kan speel en dan so ook is dit dan vry vir die man om hom wêreld wyd te bemark. So ek glo dat dan net die beste na vore sal kom.
SARU se ID van spelers is in baie gevalle nie die paier werd waarop dit staan nie.
@sparkie: Baie mooi gestel. Die probleem SARU, dan saam met dit boeties vir baantjies en op die oomblik die swakste afrigter in die geskiedenis van Junior Bok rugby. Hierdie man het geen vissie.
Hoe gouer hulle besef Ghrant Khomo, en Cravenweek is die kleinste maatstaf van ID hoe beter. Die meeste spelers val deur die sif agv ‘n skole keurder wat sy kind probeer inkry in ‘n groep of span. “Sy favourite”. Talent indentivisering moet glad nie op nasionale weke plaasvind, maar eerder Saterdae as skool spanne teen mekaar speel. Hier sê ek ook nie dat daar net na ons Elite skole gekyk moet word nie. Daar moet meer neutrale mense met regte rugby kennis en vissie daardie identivisering doen. Daar is agente in die land wat ek die wêreld se respek voor het, kry van hulle in om te help. Vir daai ou sal dit gaan om die beste op sy eie boeke te hê. Hulle het in elkgeval die beste reeds ge ID, gee hulle net meer mag. Hierdie ou sal dan vir SA kan speel en dan so ook is dit dan vry vir die man om hom wêreld wyd te bemark. So ek glo dat dan net die beste na vore sal kom.
SARU se ID van spelers is in baie gevalle nie die paier werd waarop dit staan nie.
@sparkie: Yes…lui keurders … almal kom ok net uit die top skole en die van swakker skoolspanne is almal PDP’s…
Lui afrigters….geen ontwikkeling…dis al van laerskool af..fill the gaps met spelers van ander skole.
ID toekomstige bokke te jonk soos jy sê .. en die res kan maar ophou of probeer oosee speel as hulle die kans kry en die geld het om daar te kom.
@sparkie: 100% correct .
@sparkie: to sum up you post in 4 letters…SARU
My 5 cents worth. To start we have of the best school boy rugby in the world. The talent pool is huge.The start of the problem for me is that we have this u16 elite squad picked at or around Grant Khomo.These chosen few are then fast tracked into Craven Week sides and further “elite ” training squads.So many boys who developed later and blossom as players fall by the way side.2 years in a young mans developement is a long time. You have to have an exceptional Craven Week to get a look in and bypass the pre chosen. Then after school our club rugby structure is falling apart. The pre chosen and a few junior varsity cup boys are what we have to select from. This is why so many boys just say why bother and pack it up. When I played u20 rugby at club level that is where the provincial boys came from. Selectors would come and watch games and select trial teams etc.Afraid those days appear to be gone and our pool of kids dwindles. England don’t have such a strong school system but have a strong club system from where they select. Just my thoughts.
@Trots HJS (Tandem): ludeke 2.0 het eenvoudig nie die die knowhow nie ,kry eerder maar een van ons top skole afrigters om die job te doen…
@4×4: There must be a problem with the coaching . No other coach has been given so many chances ever .
This was the best quota and hand reared team we could possibly field to appease the masses. Whats the problem? Stampkar rugby op sy beste en dan skop ons besit weg. Jy wen nie so games nie. Gameplan? Only in for the ride?
Give me schoolsrugby anytime and dont you touch it!
@Wondermaar: objektiewe opmerking. Volgens laaste rankings is die Kaapse skole redelik verteenwoordigend in Top 10. Dus of Chean Roux is aangeneem, of hy het Bokke gespeel agv nepotisme of hy het die klits erens kry geraak maar hoe dit ookal sy, as ek na die game plan kyk moet hy die k@kste coach in mense geskiedenis wees….Viva Jan van Riebeeck
Hier sal ons seker nou sien, hoe kompeterend die span is??