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The selectors have named four teams plus reserves for what should be the penultimate round of trials, to be held at Bellville High School on Wednesday 24 April 2013.
While one would normally assume that the Stoffberg and Links teams, who meet at 16:15 are more highly regarded than the Jasper and van Rensburg selections, who play each other at 15:15, there is always room for surprises in the final selections.
Particularly interesting among those selected are:
Carlton Fortune, who is out for the season and was withdrawn by his school on 17 April;
François van der Merwe, who has just returned to competitive rugby from injury;
Ruan Brits, who has played little rugby due to national athletics commitments;
Reghardt Louw, a front-rower with a just-about-healed broken arm;
Daniel du Plessis, who only returned to competitive rugby last weekend after a long injury lay-off.
| JASPER team | SCHOOL | VAN RENSBURG team | SCHOOL | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 15 | Hanston Fielies | Tygerberg | Khanyo Ngcukana | Rondebosch |
| 14 | Dylan Fairbridge | Paarl Gim | Leaviel Gouws | Paarl Gim |
| 13 | Carlton Fortune | Boland Landbou | Wayno Visagie | Paarl Gim |
| 12 | Richard Rodgers | SACS | Luan Boshoff | HJS Paarl BH |
| 11 | Nic le Roux | Rondebosch | Tyrone Jacobs | Kass |
| 10 | Danrich Visagie | Boland Landbou | Adriaan Carelse | HHH |
| 9 | Stef de Gouveia | Rondebosch | Damien Stevens | HJS Paarl BH |
| 8 | Charl-François du Toit | HJS Paarl BH | Graham Geldenhuys | Rondebosch |
| 7 | Pieta Smith | Paul Roos | Phillip Nel | Boland Landbou |
| 6 | Ryan Davids | Excelsior | Christo van der Merwe | Paul Roos |
| 5 | Wian Engelbrecht | Brackenfell | Le Roux Roets | HJS Paarl BH |
| 4 | Matthew le Roux | HJS Paarl BH | Johan Momsen | Paarl Gim |
| 3 | Brett Paulse | Rondebosch | Jerome Korff | Paul Roos |
| 2 | Jacques van Zyl | Paul Roos | Cuan Hablutzel | Bishops |
| 1 | Jacques Wiese | Paarl Gim | Gavin van der Berg | Paarl Gim |
| STOFFBERG team | SCHOOL | LINKS team | SCHOOL | |
| 15 | Danté van der Merwe | HJS Paarl BH | Heinrich Bühr | Boland Landbou |
| 14 | Daylen Daniels | HJS Paarl BH | Edwil van der Merwe | Paul Roos |
| 13 | Jarred Sage | Wynberg | Dewald Naudé | HJS Paarl BH |
| 12 | Ryan Oosthuizen | Paarl Gim | Daniel du Plessis | Paul Roos |
| 11 | Grant Hermanus | Paarl Gim | Ferlin Vers | HJS Paarl BH |
| 10 | Siya Alam | Wynberg | Dennis Cox | Excelsior |
| 9 | Herschel Jantjies | Paul Roos | TJ Goddard | Tygerberg |
| 8 | Rikus Bothma | Paarl Gim | Gareth Cilliers | Paarl Gim |
| 7 | Jacques Vermeulen | Paarl Gim | Vernon Pietersen | Paul Roos |
| 6 | Charlie Jonas | HJS Paarl BH | Lohandré Luus | Paarl Gim |
| 5 | JD Schickerling | Paarl Gim | Mitch Lingeveldt | Paul Roos |
| 4 | Burger van Niekerk | HJS Paarl BH | Jaco Willemse | Paarl Gim |
| 3 | François van der Merwe | HJS Paarl BH | Matthys Basson | Boland Landbou |
| 2 | Daniel du Plessis | HJS Paarl BH | Wilner Conradie | Paarl Gim |
| 1 | Thomas du Toit | HJS Paarl BH | Kyle Whyte | Rondebosch |
Reserves:
HK Ruan Brits (HJS); FR Kabous Voges (Brackenfell); FR Chris von Romburgh (Brackenfell);
FR Reghardt Louw (Paarl Gim); LK Dean Basson (SACS); LK Hendrik Joubert (Brackenfell);
LF Saud Abrahams (Bishops); LF Renier Wepener (Boland Landbou); SH Luke Houba (RBHS);
FH Jean Strydom (Bellville); UB Diego Visagie (Strand); FB Tiaan Swanepoel (Stellenberg):
SJ le Roux (Brackenfell) – well, to be honest, no-one is quite sure who this lad is –
it is widely suspected it may be another misprint (surprise !) for the Boland Landbou lock
SJ Roux – more info later!
@Ploegskaar: Goeie seun daai. Dis ‘n man daai wat vir KleinGim se B span gespeel het as u13.
@PaarlBok: Dink egter nie julle rugbyspanne gaan so vrygewig wees as julle Stellenberg later die jaar speel nie. Bly mense praat meer oor Vermeulen ook, dink hy het ‘n groot toekoms en sy voete is mooi op die grond, baie goeie maniere, of soos jy sal sê ‘n ware Gimmie.
massive game saterdag .Omtrent n WP vs SWD cravenweek game.Voor gaan dit rof gaan.Dian Koen 8 Outeniqua teen Paarl se 8 Rikus Bothma.Slotte Schickerling teen Zandberg .Flanke Geor teen Vermeulen.Agter indien hulle gefokus bly sal Outeniqua die oothand he.My span is Outeniqua .sterkte “KWAGGAS’ julle verdien dit
@Ploegskaar: Ja. Die engelse skole is baie sterk in seuns hokkie. Glo my Paarl Gim se 1ste dogterspan is baie sterk , dit kos ‘n goeie span om hulle te klop, so Stellenberg se dogters MOET sterk wees.
@PaarlBok: Alweer hokkie gekyk? Ek sien Stellenberg se Premier seuns het groot pak gekry teen Rondebosch anderdag, maar die Premier meisies is glo nogal ok.
@Tierklou: Nee ek was by Gim. Het met een van die 1ste span spelers gesels gister. Volgens hom kon die telling nog groter gewees het as hulle beter afgerond het. Nee my maat Kwaggas in George vanjaar is soos Mount Everest. Sien darem die kinders gaan vrydag oorslaap, so sal beter uitgerus wees.
@PaarlBok – Ek verskil en sit my geld op Gim. So terloops, was jy Saterdag by Tygerberg en het jy mieksien van die o19 wedstryde gesien?
@Tierklou: Kwaggas is die gunsteling, in George en nr1 gerank. Gaan ‘n grote wees.
@Tjoppa: mooi ja .goed gedoen maar wat van e.g jansen se 25 plus.
@wakker akker: Boland Landbou? Hoe se meneer.
@PaarlBok – Sjoe, Gin het ‘n awsome 1ste span. Volgens my is hulle defnitief die gunstelinge in vlg week se wedstryd.
@Tierklou: Ek hoop jy is nou tevrede na die 55-3 loesing wat Gim vandag vir Tygerberg uitgedeel het en dit nog op julle tuisveld.
@Tjoppa: ek hoor jou..dit is darem n lelike klap in die gesig as hulle sulke kriteria gebruik..ek praat onder korreksie maar gehoor bothma gaan in elk geval wp toe..wat help so n beurs nou eintlik. kon dit aan iemand anders aangebied het. en dink jy regtig boland landbou gaan vandag kan wen
@wakker akker: Dit was ongelukkig die kriteria wat gebruik is by die gee van die beurse. Ek ken nie die seuns nie en kan dus nie oor hul talente menings gee nie. Ek weergee slegs die feite.
Oor die regverdigheid en korrektheid van spankeuses en talent identifisering het ek al menigmaal my misnoee uitgespreek.
@Tjoppa: wat van rikus bothma.ook beurs by kearsney..skat geen unie hom ook van waarde nie .en tierklou julle ag is reeds 19 jaar oud
@Tjoppa: Vat n teug van jou suurstoftenk en vra vir die nagsuster om jou mooi toe te maak- di amper 19:00 en di koelerig vanaand en soos jy weet, op jou ouderdom, raak die vel maar dun.@Ploegskaar: Maar hy hou gewoonlik sy heel beste vir GCB op Markotter.
@beet: But How?
@BOG: Hou by die klubreels poepol.
@Tierklou: Het daar grootgeraak, so enige iets anders as koffie is ‘n resep vir ‘n paartie en/of vuisgeveg en/of troubreuk. Alles lekker, maar nie noodwendig sinvol
Hoe maak ons kontak?
@BOG: As jy sover as 2012 kon terugdink, sou jy onthou dat ek geen tyd vir Quintin Gimmelman het nie. Hy het eiehandig vir Bosch in die game gehou teen Landbou verlede jaar tot hy in die laaste 10 min. tot sy sinne gekom en besef het dis ‘n ver pad na die Plaashek as hy klaar is. In my opinie is Kaplan steeds die beste.
@Archie – Dankie! Goed opgesom.
@Ploegskaar – Sinvolle rugby word nooit oor ‘n koppie koffie gepraat nie, maar ons kan probeer. Sien jou die 27ste.
En nou gaan julle aan en aan om die regverdigheid van spankeuses aldan nie van CW spanne te bespreek. Tjoppa en Woltrui kan darem nou n besprekingspunt byvoeg tot die Rankings daar in die huis vir bejaardes. Dit is goed dat hulle vermaak n bietjie verbreed word en ons moet almal wie daartoe bydra, bedank.
@Ploegskaar: A matter of opinion. Ek , en vele ander, dink weer dieselfde van QI, en ons weet waar hy vandaan kom. Verskil is dat VD Merwe n internasionale ref is en deur n paneel beoordeel word terwyl QI vlagman is by Vodacom en skolewedstryde en deur sy broer beoordeel word.
@Tierklou: Hokaai nou ou maat, jy weet ek het ‘n sagte plek vir die N/voorstede skole, maar dis nog vroeg in die seisoen en baie van wat jy hier kwytraak kan nog later terugkom om jou te byt. Behalwe vir BizSport het julle self maar in die hek geduik in die twee wedstryde teen erkende skole hierdie seisoen en julle prestasies in die verlede, wel is net dit en hoort tot die verlede. Selfs President het ‘n puik span in ’91/’92 gehad, maar dit beteken dadels vandag. Gaan julle pragtige skool op die 27ste besoek vir julle stryd teen Bellville en veral om die o/16A westryd noukeurig te volg, so wat van ek kry jou vir ‘n koffie daar en dan praat ons sinvol ‘n bietjie rugby?
@Tjoppa: “…the question is how to change the method of selection to make it fair” Good point.
The fact that systems are unfair and have been for a long time should not stop us from trying to find ways to correct this.
@Archie: Puik opgesom. Terloops, die Tiere se 8 is die 2012 SA skole haker van Overberg (lw hy is oorspronklik van Tygerberg).
@Tjoppa: Ag Tjoppie. n Goed gekose Blou bul CW span gaan hierdie klein visvoetjies nogtans vir onbyt op eet 8)
As ‘n buitestaander uit Limpopo wil ek net die volgende se. Ek het Tygerberg sien speel by die Glenwood rugby fees en daar is ‘n paar manne in (daardie) span wat kan rugby speel! Ek weet hulle het ‘n slegte loesing gekry van Outeniqua maar ek dink nie dit maak hulle ‘n slegte span nie, ek vermoed Outeniqua gaan nog ‘n paar spanne wat op die dag af is ver wen. In elk geval daar is minstens vyf of ses spelers in Tygerberg wat nie uit plek sal lyk in enige CW of Akademie week span (die agsteman van die tiere was briljant op die week) verder het ek ook nogal gehou van Stellenberg en is daar ook defnitief seuns wat saam met beter spelers briljant kan wees! Boland is altyd vir my ‘n goeie voorbeeld van hoe ‘n span gekies moet word, alhoewel Drostdy gewoonlik die sterkste span is gaan die keurders die beste spelers uit ‘n verskeidenheid skole! ‘n seun uit ‘n kleiner skool kan dalk beter wees as een uit ‘n groot skool maar lyk swakker omdat sy span maats dalk nie so goed is nie!
@beet: Beet the question is how to change the method of selection to make it fair. Not even life is fair. Here in Bobjaanstad, now the Bog moved here, the first trials is in your own school teams. So one good guy in a small school will never stand a chance. That is why after the first rounds most major schools have major representation. Then the union and their scouts get involved. The Bulls already have a CW squad since OCT last year. So how do we make it fair. It will never be fair. Not at school level not at any level.
Just met a boy that was “invited” by the Bulls to practise with them. Suddenly last week he was told to leave as they already have contracted players and therefore can not choose him. He resigned his work and stop his life on promises made. Life is not fair as is the “gods” of rugby not fair.
I think all that non-elite schools’ parents, coaches, officials from all the various regions in SA are all asking the same simple thing: “JUST GIVE OUT KIDS A FAIR CHANCE!” Nothing more nothing less. No special favours. Just ignore the the school he goes to – judge him based on what he does on the rugby field.
Yet somehow wherever you go in SA it seems like asking for fairness is asking for too much.
@BoishaaiPa – My bril is groen nes joune ook maar blou is, maar blind is ons darem seker nie. Kom ons kyk wat die jaar vorentoe gebeur maar nes jy weet tot dusver is Boishaai die jaar nie op standaard nie, Paul Roos val uit die bus uit en Boland Landbou sukkel. Gim sal ek môre dophou.
2010 het ons bo julle geeindig op die WP rankings en julle was kwaad. 2011 wou julle ons speel en het. Ek dink julle het met 10 punte gewen. Miskien speel ons weer vlg jaar en dan weet ons verseker.
@Tierklou: Nog n ding..Dis darem snaaks dat al die “average” outjies wat na die skole gaan nog steeds die meeste Prof rugbyspelers oplewer..jy vra wat word van hulle na die tyd..wel baie van hulle speel nie rugby nie, maar n baie groter % van hulle speel prof rugby as van enige ander skole in die WP…
@Tierklou: Nee wat ek dink nie so nie veral wat Boishaai betref. As jou kind average is sal hy beslis nie span kry daar nie.
Jy moet Roux se “beurs” na waarde skat. Beurse is slegs aangebied aan seuns wat nie alreedskontrakte by unies het nie. Dus geen unie skat hom na waarde nie net net WP nie.
Onthou spanne gekies is nie eers aanvaar in skoolverband nie. Nou hoe de duiwel verwag jy dit in provinsie verband.
@BOG: Help nie hulle bied enige referee kursus in Bloem aan nie want al wat hulle daar kan lees is R10, R 20, R50, R100 of R200. Die manne is so arrogant daar weier deesdae enige kleingeld. Blykbaar verklap die geklingel van die munte die transaksie.
@BoishaaiPa: Ja Paarl Gim of Affies
@Tierklou: Ek was ook by Porterville …jy kan nie oor een feeswedstryd n span wat verskeie veranderings het oordeel nie..ek het ook vir Tygerberg sien speel en glo my ek vermoed jou bril is verskriklik groen getint!…Het dieslfde Outeniqua julle nie n redelike afranseling gegee nie?..Julle 8 spelers wat dus in die span sou instap sou dus seker gesorg het dat Boishaai met meer as 9 punte sou verloor!…Tygerberg op sy beste in 2011 kon skaars by Boishaai bly..moet asb nie ander probeer aftrek as jy nie kan bo bly nie!..TOV TV blootstelling gaan dit defnitief nie oor opdeel van wedstryde nie..Dit gaan oor kontrakte, kykergetalle en baie meer as bloot net vir almal probeer wedstryde gee…4 Skole het hulself al so lank terug as 2010 “commit” en was bereid op die pad saam te stap..ander het teruggesit en wou wag en kyk wat gebeur..Die wat bereid was om vroeg saam te werk en vooruit te dink word beloon..die agterosse moet maar hulle beurt afwag!
Stem saam, die CW keuses in die Kaap bly ‘n grap. Al verloor Paul Roos elke wedstryd, sal hul steeds 10-12 spelers in die CW en Akademie spanne hê. Gym sal sy kwota hê en so ook Boishaai. As jou kind average is, skryf hom in een van die skole in en sy kans is 80% om CW te haal. Maar wat na CW??
Brackenfell het nog nie ‘n wedstryd gewen die jaar nie (miskien 1), maar “Mnr Stoffberg” is onderwyser daar en dus is hy geregtig om 4 spelers in die groep te sit?? Dit is mos niks anders as “Afrika-mentaliteit”. Mensig, die bestes moet mos daar wees.
Die slot van Boland (Roux) kry ‘n R100 000 beurs by die Sharks tydens die Kearnsney toernooi, maar hy is nie onder die “beste” 8 slotte in die Kaap nie. Ek wonder wie sien talent raak en wie nie?
Nee wat, ek sê altyd vir ‘n seun wat te nagekom voel – die dae van waarde en talent koppel aan CW is lankal verby. “Poachers” soek deesdae talent by die toernooie. Maar dit begin ook al ‘n klug word. Rede??
Hoekom kry Paul Roos, Boishaai en Paarl Gim elkeen 3 wedstryde wat die jaar uitgesaai word en ander “uitstekende” skole geen. Hoekom nie die wedstryde opdeel dat die top 10 skole in die Kaap elkeen ‘n wedtryd op die TV kry nie. Meer blootstelling om meer talent raak te sien.
@PaarlBok – Kyk jy skole rugby? Tygerberg het laasjaar bietjie gesukkel (klop egter Paul Roos in sukkel jaar) maar speel egter konstante goeie rugby vir die afgelope 5 jaar. Ek het Boishaai gesien by Porterville. Ten minste 8 van ons spelers sal in hul 1ste span in stap.
Boland Landbou?? Ek dink hulle lê 49ste op die ranking so daar kan dit ook nie te goed gaan nie. Paarl Gim?? Dit sal ek môre sien.
@BOG: Kyk oom, ek laat my selfde uit oor ‘n ref, maar min hou kers vas by daai klein stront Lourens van der Merwe, en ons weet waar hy vandaan is…
@BoishaaiPa: Missing the point? What exactly is the point? Cape Man raised the 2007 side- that is the point.
@BOG: It’s probably difficult getting old..you kinda lost track of the conversation, but let me help you out. We are talking finals where WP played OVS. ..But since you brought up 2011 let me enlighten you some more….Since 1971 when they started playing finals WP was chosen to play in 20 of the 41 already played of which they won 12 (60%) ….OFS played in 17 of which they won 8 (47%)…now you tell me who is the better performer?…
@Tjoppa: Almal wie die “QI Manual for honest Refereeing”, deurgelees het. Die kursus word slegs in die Kaap aangebied.
@Tjoppa: Most probably ones with OVS connections!..lol..
Ou Woltrui…PI gaan die Affies vs Outeniqua game uitsaai op 10/08/2013. Ek wou se Affies word darem ook gewys. Daai game kan dalk bepaal wie eindig No 1 in die land!
@BoishaaiPa: “Houston, we have a problem” Memory failure ? What about 2011? Oh yes, WP went home early. But sure, 2007 does hold very special memories of a very special side. Senior players can use videos of that team as an indication of how the game of rugby should be played.
@BoishaaiPa: Can you perhaps indicate who the refs were in the three wins for FS.
@BOG: Ja ou Bog..You keep on remembering that one final..forgetting that of the 9 finals the WP and OVS played at CW WP won 6 of them ’78, ’88, ’92, 2002, 2003 and 2009…OVS won in 2004, 2007 and 2010…you are still only halfway there!…
@PaarlBok: voorstel. Wat is die moontlikheid om twee suidelike voorstede proef spanne te kies en dan twee van die anderkant dan n rondomtalie toernooi te hou vir cv proewe. Ten minste sal dit n beter weergawe gee van talent
@BoishaaiPa: You say that FS outplayed WP in 2007 ? A score of 53- 3 outplayed ? It sounds more like a demolition job to me and I think WP was lucky to get 3.
Here is that 2007 team…Three of the backline went on to play Super Rugby..and one Varsity Cup rugby…
15 Lee Bruinders – Bishops
14 Tithan Adams – Paul Roos Gymnasium
13 Danie Poolman – Paul Roos Gymnasium
12 Johann Sadie – Paarl Gymnasium
11 Julian Karolus – Tygerberg RFC
10 Jurgen Visser – Paarl Gymnasium
9 Morne Laubscher – Tygerberg High
8 Nicholas Koster (Capt) – Bishops
7 Marnitz Jacobs – Boland Landbou
6 Tertuis Daniller – Paarl Gymnasium
5 Gideon Myburg – Paul Roos Gymnasium
4 Yaasir Hartzenberg – Paarl Boys’ High
3 Rossouw de Klerk – Paarl Gymnasium
2 Werner Greef – Paarl Boys’ High
1 Franklé Beukes – Paarl Gymnasium
16 Sydney Tobias – Paul Roos Gymnasium
17 Kieran James – Stellenberg High
18 Shaun McDonald – Tygerberg High
19 Waldo Prinsloo – Tygerberg High
20 Dillan Petersen – Paul Roos Gymnasium
21 Justin Mackay – Excelsior Secondary
22 Ralphton Minnaar – Paarl Gymnasium
@CapeMan: Not this all over again.
“Because Boland Landbou and Paarl Gym play in the Central region it has 3 consequences:
1. Their players do not have to complete against Paarl Boys and Paul Roos to get into the next round of trials.
2. They knock out any fairly good player from DF Malan or Tygerberg to make the team for the next round lessening the chances of the Central region schools’ player getting into Craven Week.”
Nr1. They do play trials against them eventially.
Nr2. Do DF Malan still have a rugby team? Tygerberg had that one great season, maybe we’ll see their strength tomorrow and judge. To be honest, how many of these schools players will make a Paarl Gym/Boishaai/Paul Roos/Landbou first team?
3. Their chances of getting into the final teams are enhanced as they did not compete for places against Paarl Boys and Paul Roos.
Again they will play against each other in the final.
So in the Central region 23 out of the 30 players are from either Boland Landbou or Paarl Gym, while a school like Tygerberg that has beaten Paul Roos has only one player in these two teams!
Wasnt that last year?
But it gets better: in the Country region Premier A schools Paul Roos and Paarl Boys provide 27 players out of 30 for these two teams. Surely other schools play rugby in this region?
Out of the Central and Country regions’ 60 players, the Boland schools of Paarl Gim, Paul Roos, Paarl Boys and Boland Landbou have produced 50, all on a skewed selection system.
Rugby talent is not restricted to 4 schools in WP; I feel for the players who get short changed.
Again if you look at the results in the past, par Landbou if the others beat the big 3 (Gim,Boishaai Paul Roos) it look like they won the World Cup because the record between them and the others speaks for themself.
At least in WP schoolboy rugby they try to spread to get strength vs strength teams in the finals and surely good talent will be recodnise by the selectors.
You will always get unlucky players and frustrated parents in any sports trials. Doesnt matter if its WeePee trials or Springboks, or if its rugby, swim, hockey or athletics.
Those who dont make it should rather use it as positive motivation to work harder and the parent can use it as an educational tool. To try and critisie the system or selection methods wont change one bit, its a given.
@CapeMan: I have the 2007 CW broschure at home. I must go and have a look who all played CW for WP…I think Johan Sadie might have played in that team as well ..
@BuiteBreek: Afstande is nog steeds geen rede om n vrye pas tot CW te kry nie!…hulle kan Akademieweek toe gaan!..Die Boland het maar net sulke wye areas…As ouens van Vredendal en Clanwilliam moet reis Wellington toe is dit ook n halwe dag!
@CapeMan: Sorry, Willie le Roux
@BoishaaiPa: Willie Wepener was at fly half and Cliffie was at center for Paul Roos.
@BHP: tot ‘n mate verstaan ek Griqua, OP, Grens CD spanne. Dit gaan maar oor die afstande wat die seuns moet reis om op verskeie plekke te kom. van Springbok is dit net 700 amper 800km. Graaf Reinet tot PE by die 300km en Grens Plateland is meestal seuns uit die ou Transkei en Ciskei.
@BoishaaiPa: if memory serves me correctly SACS beat Paul Roos in 2007. Paul Roos were outgunned in the backline. That Grey College side is possibly the best school boy rugby side in history. Ebersohn twins, Connie Oosthuizen and Lappies Labuscaghne were just unreal. Michaelhouse were the best in kzn that year with the cronje twins, lambie, ruan combrick and inspirational leader Ntsolo.
@Bog @CapeMan: Albertus Buckle played for Griquas, Callie Wannenberg – Sharks, Boland, Pumas, Bulldogs and Valke, I think and Jeremy Plaatjies is at EP now or there abouts.
@BoishaaiPa: Kan sweer Clement Lewis (ook Landbou) het daardie jaar SA skole gekry.
@BOG: Only one? You’re being biased there. Bismark, Derrick, Luke Watson and Paul Delport all made it to proffesional rugby.That’s four. Not one
@BoishaaiPa: OK 3 or 4 of that side, but still!
@BoishaaiPa: And we all know the coaches get the players they want and know, hence the imbalance. Same happens in KZN to a degree, the coach is Kearsney coach with assistance from the Glenwood coach, so in the past the KZN team has been Glenwood heavy as Glenwood were the strongest school, but last year and the coming years will be more balanced I’m sure. The KZN coach was Tony Richter from Hilton and he seemed to have no bias. In the end, the coach will always pick a boy he knows well vs one he doesn’t, unfair but reality. They also seem to pick combo’s that know each other, so front row’s locks, centres, half backs…..makes sense or the teams are like Barbarian teams, great individuals who know nothing about each other. So to get results the coaches try and pick combo’s, pressure of winning again!
@BoishaaiPa: Even Border had a CD team for the longest of times. The stronger unions should have 2 teams and the weaker unions should have 1. Its as simple as that. I agree with you 100% BHP
@BoishaaiPa: Well, that exactly confirms my point. There is absolutely NO rugby justification for them to have a CD side, other than PR/political. And your list of the 2001 SA school side, is further confirmation. You say, a few known names. I see only one- the first. As far as CW goes, sit back and enjoy. Its a festival- no more. But young players should certainly not despair when they are overlooked and schools/coaches should prepare the boys for such a possibility.
@CapeMan: 2007 was the year when Nick Koster was WP Captain and PRG ,Gim and Bishops had shit-hot backlines with great centres and flyhalves…cant recall the SACS backline though..That was also the year KZN had the Cronje twins and Freestate had the Ebersohn twins and outplayed WP in the final at Markotter.
@BOG: Then please explain the existence of Griquas CD (Consisitng mostly of 2 schools) and EP CD sides?…They have no more claim than any other province.
I would like to know who the selector from the southern suburb boys schools is because when I asked around, the coaches said no one from our side was in the committee. Even if that is true, 1 out of 7 with the Paarl/Stellies area having 3…hardly fair. Mr van der Weshuizen, SACS 1st team coach of 2006-2008 used to be a selector in the 90s and he sent non of the boys in 2007 to the trials because he said there would be no point as he knows the politics involved with the selection process and did not want to put our boys through that dissapointment. The SACS backline, in my opinion, was equal to none in the WP primier schools in 2007. Yet the coach knew none of the players would make it due to politics and the rigged selection process.
@CapeMan: It was 2001 when Derick Hougaard from Landbou got SA Schools playing for Boland in the CW. Here is the 2001 SA Schools players..a few familiar names, but most of them went off the radar…Just goes to show that SA Schools doesnt gaurentee a succesfull transition into Pro rugby.
Surname Name
Du Plessis Bismarck (Free State)
Hougaard Derick (Boland)
Watson Luke (Eastern Province)
Buckle Albertus (Boland)
De Bruyn Michael (Mpumalanga)
Delport Paul (Western Province)
Edgar David (KwaZulu Natal)
Farmer Steven (Western Province)
Goosen Gregory (KwaZulu Natal)
Jacobs Divan (Mpumalanga)
Joubert Jan-Hendrik (South Western Districts)
Kruger Morné (Golden Lions)
Michaels Devon (Western Province)
Milton Cliff (Blue Bulls)
Mkokeli Tembani (Border)
Mthula Petros (KwaZulu Natal)
Pienaar Peter (Boland)
Plaatjies Jeremy (South Western Districts)
Sithole Martin (Mpumalanga)
Van der Schyff Jonathan (Golden Lions)
Venter Deon (Blue Bulls)
Wannenburg Callie (South Western Districts)
Likewise, if the WP gets to send a country team to CW, to accommodate “the abundance” of talent, then other areas/franchises/provinces, on the same principle, equally, deserves to send a country team – KZN, BBs, Lions and FS. This is why it wont happen. And deserving/ merit /fairness /logic has long since departed from the selection process for ALL CW sides. That is why the recruiters attach far more importance to the school tournaments/festivals. That is the unfortunate reality of CW- it has become nothing more than a PR exercise and explains the high attrition rate from CW to senior representative rugby. Danie Cravens ideals have been cast overboard a while back. Hard fact!!
@CapeMan: The selection committee consists of 7 selectors. The Convenor (WP Union), then another 2 from WP Union, then 2 from WP Schools (One is from Southern Subs schools and one is from Paarl schools) and the last two is the coaches of the CW and Academy teams which in this case is coaches of PRG and Paarl Boys. So of the 7 selectors 3 are from the Paarl/Stellenbosch area.
@BoishaaiPa: Apparantly the Paarl schools in 2000 or 2001 played under the Boland banner. Schalk Burgers year, and they played against WP(Southern Suburbs) and lost. I may be wrong but both went unbeaten at CW.
@BoishaaiPa: My tongue is in the cheek
@Ploegskaar: No Khanyo Ngcukana?! Fullback from Rondebosch. He is the go to man for Bosch in the backline and if I’m not mistaken, was the fullback 2years ago for the WP grant khomo weak. This boy deserves to be in the CW team.
@Klofie Pa: Yip..dis hy daai
@beet: You also a man for combo’s then. One player that I rate which I did not pick is Graham Geldenhuys (Rondebosch), very good player.
The whole trial system is a joke.I was at the 1st round trials for the past 3 years at Bellville HS. 1stly- the ‘zones’ schools are placed in..if for example i play in the backline with forwards coming from bellville-south, parow high etc. playing against a team with forwards from bellville,brackenfell etc. How am i suppose to prove my worth when my forwards cant win our own line-outs,scrums or rucks? Its defend all day long..In my day if 1 backline got no ball,they were put with the stronger pack and a player with potential in a weaker team got a go with better combinations. IMO, that is trials..mixing and matching. Heck,at 1 point in the last match of the 1st round..the ‘boland landbou’ team needed a wing,there was no wing on the bench and a stellenberg loose forward jokingly said, ‘il play wing’, the ‘selector or coach’ said, ok take wing! He didnt even know where to stand! Anyway..
@BoishaaiPa: Sad, but true, but certainly no lack of talented players!
@BoishaaiPa: Du Plessis is die haker wat ek so van hou wat teen ons gespeel het???
n Helse pak voor as ek so kyk. Mag dalk net die jaar vir die Wiepie wees. Maar dan het die keurders die laaste se!!
@Ploegskaar: @BoishaaiPa: I must say at KERF the centre combo of Visagie and Oosthuizen for Gim looked very solid. I’d really like to see the Sage boy from Wynberg play
@GimOB: Grasshopper reckons the Bishops fans are looking for an upset tomorrow…I dont see it that way..With Kaplan blowing it will be an upset if Boishaai wins yes!..lol..although my previous post did not reflect what I actually tried to say!
@Ploegskaar: Very much the same as my picks…only one or two different, but in essence the same…Would just bring in one of the 2 PRG loosies in as well..However…the actual team will look a lot different as selectors dont actually watch any other games and have a mandate to pick certain players!
I would pay money to see this team play:
15.Tiaan Swanepoel (Stellenberg)
14.Danté van der Merwe (Boishaai)
13.Jarred Sage (Wynberg)
12.Daniel du Plessis (PRG)
11.Grant Hermanus (Paarl Gim)
10.Siya Alam (Wynberg)
9.TJ Goddard (Tygerberg)
8.Rikus Bothma (Paarl Gim)
7.Jacques Vermeulen (Paarl Gim)
6.Lohandré Luus (Paarl Gim)
5.JD Schickerling (Paarl Gim)
4.Burger van Niekerk (Boishaai)
3.Matthys Basson (Boland Landbou)
2.Daniel du Plessis (Boishaai)
1.Thomas du Toit (Boishaai)
16.Cuan Hablutzel (Bishops)
17.Jerome Korff (PRG)
18.SJ Roux (Boland Landbou)
19.Saud Abrahams (Bishops)
20.Stef de Gouveia (Rondebosch)
21.Dewald Naudé (Boishaai)
22.Heinrich Bühr (Boland Landbou)
This team will be competitive at CW, in my humble, uninformed but respectful opinion.
@BoishaaiPa: Upset which way? Boishaai to win or Bishops?
@CapeMan: I will try and find out exactly who is on the selection committee…I know of 1 Paarl representitave that has been there many a year. The rest is a mystery.
@BoishaaiPa: @Tjoppa: I’ve been saying this for years, that WP need a Country District team. That still doesn’t excuse the appalling selection system. The Selection committee, team manager amd coach are all from the Paarl and northern suburb schools.The Southern Suburb coaches and headmasters need to join forces and fight this. Hopper, I may be wrong but I don’t think there’s anywhere near as bad as WP. If you do know, please tell me excatly how the selection process works in kzn?!
@Grasshopper: Chances are good for an upset..Kaplan has the whistle!..
What about Bishops? People are talking up a Bishops upset over Boishaai tomorrow! For me the name Rickus Bothma will stick with me, by far the best forward at Kearsney fest followed by Schinckerling, Zandberg and Estiaan from EG Jansen. Bothma and Schinkerling would be first picks in a WP schools side. I do feel for the Southern Suburb schools, it seems they need their own team at Craven week..
@CapeMan: And yet, the CW provides for teams like Griquas Country Districts and EP Country Districts..with only one WP team!…With the abundance of rugby playing schools in WP, they should have a WP CD team comprising of the 3 Paarl schools and Paul Roos, then the WP team can be made up of Nothern and Southern Subs schools..and still be much stronger than any CD team Griquas or EP can field at CW.
I feel for someone like Tiaan Swanepoel from Stellenberg who was one of if not the best Fullback on display at the Grant Khomo week last year and he only gets a reserve spot to try and prove himself…The problem is not with the players though, they dont pick the teams. Untill WP gets a CD spot at CW this skewed representation will continue to the detrement of WP Schools rugby.
@CapeMan: And so it seams it is all over the country. But if I count correctly 15 schools represented. Much better than in Bulls country.
As usual, the selection process is appalling. “2012 WP Craven Week trials remain a joke and an insult to the talent available across all rugby schools in the Province, with the Southern Suburbs Schools the biggest losers overall. But despite their teams being at a huge disadvantage in the trial process, no Head of Rugby or Headmaster seems prepared to take on the Union to stop this farce.
The Union is divided into 3 Regions:
1. Southern – made up mostly of Peninsula schools and Youth clubs
2. Central – made up of the Tygerberg schools and Youth clubs, but including Boland Landbou and Paarl Gym
3. Country – made up of the Boland schools with Paarl Boys and Paul Roos in this group
The questions to be asked are: Why are Boland Landbou and Paarl Gym playing trials in the Central region and not playing in the Country regions with Paul Roos and Paarl Boys? Why are schools restricted to 3 regions for trials? Why is WP not looking deeper into our healthy school rugby leagues for talent?
After the first round of WP trials each region chose 2 teams and these 6 teams played a trial at the Inter-region stage on Wednesday 9 May. It is the make-up of these teams that make a mockery of so-called trials.
This is how it looks based on WP Schools Premier League, and I stress NOT all junior rugby talent is confined to these schools!
1. In the Southern region the four ‘English’ boys’ schools (Bishops, Rondebosch, SACS and Wynberg) knock each other out in competing for places in these 2 teams.
2. In the Central region two of the ‘Afrikaans’ schools (Boland and Paarl Gym) compete against traditional lower league schools for places in 2 teams.
3. In the Country region the remaining ‘Afrikaans’ schools (Paarl Boys and Paul Roos) have their chance against the other schools to fill 2 teams.
Let’s look at the Central & Country regions where 50% of the Premier Schools have a 67% chance of WP Craven Week success: After Round Two of trials, 23 out of the 30 players are from Boland and Paarl Gym. The fullback of the A team is from Boland as is the B team fullback. The 8th man in both the A and B teams is from Paarl Gym.
Because Boland Landbou and Paarl Gym play in the Central region it has 3 consequences:
1. Their players do not have to complete against Paarl Boys and Paul Roos to get into the next round of trials.
2. They knock out any fairly good player from DF Malan or Tygerberg to make the team for the next round lessening the chances of the Central region schools’ player getting into Craven Week.
3. Their chances of getting into the final teams are enhanced as they did not compete for places against Paarl Boys and Paul Roos.
So in the Central region 23 out of the 30 players are from either Boland Landbou or Paarl Gym, while a school like Tygerberg that has beaten Paul Roos has only one player in these two teams!
But it gets better: in the Country region Premier A schools Paul Roos and Paarl Boys provide 27 players out of 30 for these two teams. Surely other schools play rugby in this region?
Out of the Central and Country regions’ 60 players, the Boland schools of Paarl Gim, Paul Roos, Paarl Boys and Boland Landbou have produced 50, all on a skewed selection system.
Rugby talent is not restricted to 4 schools in WP; I feel for the players who get short changed.
What a complete disgrace for rugby in this province.” Here is the link http://rugbymatters.co.za/index.php/2012/05/11/wp-schools-the-farce-of-craven-week-trials/
Tough going for Wynberg players. Only 2 made in.