Where the 2017 schoolboy rugby players will be in 2018

Please help to complete or grow the list if you can.

# POS NAME SCHOOL REGION
1 1 Wiehan Bezuidenhout Affies Bulls
2 2 Johan van Zyl Affies Bulls
3 3 James Combrinck Affies Bulls
4 4 Michael de Waal Affies Bulls
5 5 Carl Els Affies Bulls
6 7 Jaco Labuschagne Affies Bulls
7 8 Philip Potgieter Affies Bulls
8 9 Johan Mulder Affies Bulls
9 13 Marnus Potgieter Affies Bulls
10 15 Charles Goedhals Affies Bulls
11 12 Zach Briel Affies Bulls
12 10 JP Viviers Augsburg Bulls
13 5 Xavier Haupt Bellville Bulls
14 12 Dan Aspeling Bellville WP-UWC
15 9 Ross Goodwin Bishops Worcester (Eng)
16 2 Tiaan Droskie Boland Landbou
17 4 Marko van Niekerk Boland Landbou Bulls
18 5 Herman Le Roux Boland Landbou WP
19 13 Duran Nasson Boland Landbou WP
20 15 Duren Hoffman Boland Landbou WP
21 8 Jaen-Louis de Lange Brackenfell WP
22 8 Sean van Binsbergen Brackenfell
23 10 Quan Eymann Brackenfell WP
24 3 Le-Klue Stokes Brandwag WP
25 4 Thomas Westermeyer Clifton Bulls
26 11 Siphamandla Matsinya Dale
27 15 Aphelele Fassi Dale Sharks
28 9 Sachin Toring Daniel Pienaar
29 1 Sean Barnes DHS Sharks
30 8 Pepsi Buthelezi DHS Sharks
31 9 Sanele Nohamba DHS Sharks
32 15 Cham Zondeki DHS Sharks
33 1 WS Coetzer Diamantveld Free State
34 5 Hendrik Smit Diamantveld Lions
35 8 Renier van Zyl Diamantveld Free State
36 10 Charles Williams Diamantveld Free State
37 13 De-An Ackerman Diamantveld France via Pta
38 15 Ashwill Botha Diamantveld Free State – CUT
39 9 Romeo Eksteen Drostdy Bulls
40 11 Sebastian Jobb Duineveld Bulls
41 4 Dylan Mare Dundee Bulls
42 4 Domenique McArthur EG Jansen Bulls
43 5 Reinhardt Venter EG Jansen Bulls
44 6 Jonathan o’Neil EG Jansen Bulls
45 8 Carsten Koekemoer EG Jansen Bulls
46 10 Ruben Beytell EG Jansen Bulls
47 15 Franco van Eeden EG Jansen Bulls
48 8 Alfred Holder Ferrum Bulls
49 1 Breilen Brandt Garsfontein Bulls
50 2 Steven Billing Garsfontein Bulls
51 3 Keanu Prinsloo Garsfontein Bulls
52 3 CJ Steinhobel Garsfontein Bulls
53 6 Ruben Roodt Garsfontein
54 12 Wesley Thompson Garsfontein
55 3 Brandon Schwulst Glenwood Sharks – V.College
56 4 JJ vd Mescht Glenwood Sharks
57 6 Dylan Kruger Glenwood Bulls
58 7 Edward Laubscher Glenwood Bulls
59 13 Conan le Fleur Glenwood Back at Sch
60 14 Morne v Rensburg Glenwood
61 14 Lorenzo Cloete Goudveld Bulls
62 1 Naude Naude Grey College
63 2 Ruhann Greyling Grey College WP
64 7 Marcel Theunissen Grey College WP-Maties
65 8 Arno Nieuwoudt Grey College Leo-NWU
66 10 Christopher Schreuder Grey College WP
67 11 Janco van Heyningen Grey College Lions
68 12 Rikus Pretorius Grey College WP
69 14 Henk Cilliers Grey College Sharks
70 15 David Kriel Grey College WP
71 2 Ruan Jonker Grey HS
72 6 Bevan Prinsloo Grey HS WP
73 12 Waqar Solaan Grey HS
74 15 Sihle Njezula Grey HS
75 2 Dameon Venter Helpmekaar Lions
76 3 Ignis Meyer Helpmekaar Leo-NWU
77 6 Mark Snyman Helpmekaar Lions
78 7 Liam van den Berg Helpmekaar WP-Maties
79 8 Benjamin Clarke Helpmekaar WP-Maties
80 8 Lehan du Toit Helpmekaar Lions-Wits
81 9 Ruhan Viviers Helpmekaar Bulls
82 13 Jeremy Randall Helpmekaar Lions-Wits
83 14 David Cary Helpmekaar Lions
84 10 Lloyd April Hermanus Bulls
85 4 George Putter Hilton
86 9 Graham Curtis Hilton
87 1 MJ Strauss HJS Paarl BH WP
88 2 Wilhelm Barnard HJS Paarl BH Free State
89 3 Joshua Du Preez HJS Paarl BH WP
90 4 Armandt Conradie HJS Paarl BH USA
91 5 Pierre Pretorius HJS Paarl BH WP-Maties
92 6 Vian Fourie HJS Paarl BH Sharks
93 7 Cornel Kotze HJS Paarl BH WP-Maties
94 8 Franke Horn HJS Paarl BH WP
95 9 Eric Myburgh HJS Paarl BH Free State
96 10 Boeta Chamberlain HJS Paarl BH Sharks
97 12 Luka Ferreira HJS Paarl BH Free State
98 12 Le Roux Malan HJS Paarl BH Sharks
99 13 Divan Enslin HJS Paarl BH WP
100 14 Stuart Tait HJS Paarl BH
101 15 Thakir Abrahams HJS Paarl BH Sharks
102 15 Abner van Reenen HJS Paarl BH WP
103 14 Prince Nkabinde Hoogenhout
104 6 Henco van Heerden HTS Middelburg Bulls
105 15 Jarred du Plessis Hudson Park
106 6 Michael Goodall Hugenote Lions
107 5 Keagan Lichtfield Jeppe
108 11 Mangaliso Ntimba Jeppe Bulls
109 2 Dylan Richardson Kearsney Sharks
110 7 Ross Taylor Kearsney
111 2 Leander du Plessis Kempton Park
112 3 Keegan Glade KES Lions
113 7 Ziyanda Msipha KES
114 8 Travis Gordon KES Lions
115 11 Tyler Haywards KES
116 15 Kennedy Mpeku KES Lions
117 12 Yanga Hlalu KES Lions
118 3 Thembi Mangwana Kingswood
119 10 Tristan Oosthuizen Leopards
120 10 Lohann Jahns Lichtenburg Bulls
121 15 Bertru Jones Lichtenburg
122 2 Fez Mbatha Maritzburg College Sharks
123 3 Marno Beyl Marlow Bulls
124 12 Vivian Kapp Marlow
125 15 Navaldo Fleurs Marlow
126 Gerrit du Preez Marlow Bulls
127 1 Lukas Klopper Menlopark Bulls
128 3 Barry Viljoen Menlopark Bulls
129 5 Justin Sadie Menlopark Bulls
130 3 Rocky Knox Michaelhouse WP
131 5 Ollie Calvert-Evers Michaelhouse UK university
132 3 Eben Brand Monument
133 5 Christopher Havenga Monument Lions
134 6 Larko Lindes Monument
135 7 PJ Jacobs Monument Bulls
136 7 Cristen van Niekerk Monument Lions
137 9 Tinus Combrinck Monument Lions
138 10 Jonathan Viljoen Monument Lions
139 11 Brendon Buitendag Monument Lions-UJ
140 12 Luke Rossouw Monument Bulls
141 15 Dandre Prinsloo Monument Bulls
142 3 Kudzai Dube Muir Bulls
143 12 Sicelo Tole Muir
144 2 SP Muller Nelspruit
145 5 Marius Slabbert Nelspruit
146 7 Renier Troskie Nelspruit
147 10 Stephan vd Bank Nelspruit Bulls
148 2 Rory Leijdekkers Noord Kaap
149 1 Conrad van Aswegen Noord-Kaap
150 5 Gideon van Niekerk Noord-Kaap
151 8 Edrich Brand Noord-Kaap Back at sch
152 15 Cameron Hufke Noord-Kaap
153 1 Dian Bleuler Oakdale WP
154 5 Daniel vd Berg Oakdale
155 9 Lian du Toit Oakdale Bulls
156 11 Joaquin Taute Oakdale
157 12 Jay-Cee Nel Oakdale Bulls
158 12 Edmund Ludick Oos-Moot Lions
159 2 Stephan Leonard Outeniqua Bulls
160 5 Louis Meiring Outeniqua Bulls
161 8 Andreas Breytenbach Outeniqua
162 1 Hugo Pienaar Paarl Gim WP
163 1 Adriaan Staples Paarl Gim Sharks
164 2 Chris Rossouw Paarl Gim WP-Maties
165 3 Francois Staples Paarl Gim WPRA
166 4 Adriaan Ludick Paarl Gim Bulls
167 8 Henco Martins Paarl Gim WP
168 12 Ruben Scholtz Paarl Gim
169 15 Muller du Plessis Paarl Gim Sharks
170 4 Ian Kitwanga Parklands WP
171 1 Nkosi Masuku Parktown Lions
172 2 Darnell Osuagwu Parktown
173 1 Cameron Dawson Paul Roos
174 1 Alexander Mbete Paul Roos WP
175 3 Tristan Leitch Paul Roos WP
176 5 Breyten Maritz Paul Roos
177 7 Phillip van Dyk Paul Roos Sharks
178 9 Gerado Jaars Paul Roos WP
179 12 Rufus Dercksen Paul Roos WP-Maties
180 15 Colia Louis Paul Roos
181 10 Rodwell Baadjies Pearson EP
182 5 Sibusiso Madonsela Piet Retief
183 10 Hanru van Rooyen Potch Gim
184 13 Mitchelle vd Merwe Potch Gim
185 8 Chris du Toit Pretoria BH
186 5 Aaron Brody Queen’s
187 9 Robert Davis Rondebosch Scotland???
188 12 DJ Falconer Rondebosch Sharks???
189 6 Sujai Ikemefuna SACS WP
190 9 Vusile Dlepu SACS WP
191 13 Jordy Hop SACS
192 13 Oliver Schuurmans SACS
193 2 Mark Venter Selborne WPRA
194 5 Stephan Nieuwenhuizen Selborne
195 6 Adam Mountford Selborne Sharks
196 7 Andre Rust Selborne
197 9 Mitchell Connellan Selborne
198 10 David Coetzer Selborne WP
199 15 Jason Raubenheimer Selborne
200 3 Cameron Moodie Selborne WPRA
201 5 Orateng Koikanyang St Alban’s Bulls
202 10 Cornell Korff St Alban’s Bulls
203 2 Dean Jenkins St Andrew’s
204 3 Callum Dugmore St Andrew’s
205 9 Oscar Evans St Andrew’s
206 10 Murray Koster St Andrew’s Sharks
207 13 Matt More St Andrew’s
208 10 Kieran Houlston St John’s Sharks
209 13 Tshepo Chipu St John’s
210 3 Asenathi Ntlabakanye St Stithians Lions
211 8 Tawanda Mutuma St Stithians
212 3 Nicko Laubscher Stellenberg Bulls
213 4 Andre Hanekom Stellenberg Free State
214 5 Janko Swanepoel Stellenberg Bulls
215 9 Jacques van Biljon Stellenberg Free State
216 14 Angelo Davids Stellenberg WP
217 2 Andre Nel Stirling
218 9 Christian Humphries Trinity
219 9 Thandile Hoyi Tygerberg WP
220 1 Francois Klopper Voortrekker (Beth) Sharks
221 2 Ruben Veldsman Waterkloof
222 3 Gerrit Visser Waterkloof Lions
223 5 Wihan de Beer Waterkloof Lions
224 5 Ruben Kotze Waterkloof Lions
225 6 Gustav de Jager Waterkloof
226 8 Ewan Visser Waterkloof Lions
227 9 Giovanne Snyman Waterkloof Lions
228 10 Ulrich Maritz Waterkloof Lions
229 13 Jandre Pretorius Waterkloof
230 2 Dillon Minaar Welkom Gim
231 8 Ulrich Stander Welkom Gim
232 15 Andrew Kota Welkom Gim Back at sch
233 10 Denzo Bruwer Windhoek Gim Bulls
234 3 JW Meades Witteberg Lions

116 Comments

  1. Don’t think Liam vd Berg going to the Bulls.
    Lehan du Toit and Jerremy Randall going to Wits(Lions).
    Not on list but Triston Oosthiuzen Leopards. Dont know about Ben and Ignis. Perhaps BB know?

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  2. @Grizzly: Bulls list just more complete. No union can only have 20 players for a season. Impossible! Or they Bullshit themselves.

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  3. @Rainier: There is alot of confusion at/with the Bulls. They ‘only’ contract about 28 players but there are about 60 players currently at the Bulls training camp. Do not know what will happen after the camp?

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  4. Andre Hanekom going to Cheetahs.

    Scrummy of Tygerberg also going to WP.

    Really wish WP got Chamberlain. Sharks got some nice signings.

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  5. @Hooit: If true,I think its a huge gamble for the other 32 players.BB corect,when will the Bulls realise its about quality and not qantity.If true about WT,hats off to the Lions.

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  6. Every union has a slightly different recruitment strategy.

    The Bulls take in a big group but offload a few even before the u19 CC starts.
    WPRI takes in about 40 and it seems like the Lions liked to do same.
    Free State and Leopards work closely with their local universities to share the financial commitment.
    In the old days the Sharks would carefully select 10-12 players for contracts and allow their Academy to provide the balance for u19 CC. Not sure they have got that quite right in recent times.

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  7. @beet: Yes I do not know how you can only select 10-12 players and then hope to get good results. This can be seen in the last result Lions vs Sharks U/19. Lions gave them a proper hiding.
    Then the Lions for the last I think three matched had to use or used some boys that are still in school!!?? So are there way of doing things correct? This is before final exams?
    Again the question should then be asked if they did contracted enough players?
    @Kattes @Mike and those guys should be able to give a better answer.
    What is the correct amount of player?
    Two 23 man teams?? :?:

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  8. @Grizzly: I do not believe that @Hooit is correct in his assumption. The period of contract might be different for each player.

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  9. The junior structures in SA need to be improved to afford the better players a chance to perform at the top level and to ensure that each weekend the matches are true strength vs strength contests. Without the right sort of Unions budget it’s difficult maybe even impossible to achieve this and we are seeing it in the CC u19 results this year where there are 4 decent teams and 3 weak teams. There needs to be 7 decent strength teams and SA has enough players to achieve this, just not the mechanism or the finances.

    When Dawie Theron was the SA u20 coach he would rely on opinions of the u19 provincial coaches. U19 Coaches didn’t were not charged with sending him assessments on their own players but rather on their opponents players after each game. In that way Theron was able to get a sort of neutral assessment of players for the benefit of inviting them to the training camps.

    I’m not sure if Chean Roux makes use of this same concept but I suspect he would as it seems like a good idea.

    For players at unions where they are overstocked it also means that by far the most important thing an u19 player can be doing during the season is playing in matches. If a boy is good enough to play it’s pointless being a tackle bag carrier in the week and spectator on weekends. All that happens it that a player at EP, the Sharks or Leopards might not be in a winning team on most weekends, but has the potential to earn credit through performances and in that way get shot at playing for the SA u20s at the World Rugby Championships in June the following year.

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  10. @Riempies: Correct amount of players depends on the end goal.

    A decade ago when the player drain from SA wasn’t so bad, the Sharks set their objective as a succession plan. So they looked at where they would have a need 5 years down the line and targeted players in those positions for contracts. It worked really well but again, with the help of a relatively strong Sharks Academy back then, a defeat of those proportions as the one to the Lions and other unions incl Leopards as they have experienced this year would have been avoided.

    A couple of years back EP won the u19 title with a decent bunch of players but what really set them apart was the fantastic coaching. I suspect part of the Sharks problem this year has been the coaching. This is a main worry. We have people in SA trying to blame lack of skills etc on SBR and not apportioning any responsibility to coaching once they become full time pros. You can imagine a pro golfer, tennis player or soccer player saying that because he was let down in his coaching as a teenager, he now has this weakness in his game as a seasoned pro – critics will turn around and stay to him well what is he doing now to correct the problem! Skills training etc doesn’t stop at school level.

    Anyway I’m sidetracking.

    For a number of years the Bulls have handed out many contracts. Hats off to them because they would look in every little corner for players and to build their network of feedback. I think in one of the start years, Xander spent nearly half the year away from home. The problem with the Bulls hasn’t been the junior contracting because they have acquired some of the best SBR players in SA for a number of years, it’s really boiled down to what they have done to develop those players from the time they joined. Based on the quantity in, the quality that the senior team is getting out has not been acceptable. The Bulls junior operation is run on a huge budget.

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  11. @Playa: Who knows what EP is doing now. Had such a fantastic set up going with the Academy and standout coaching a few years back and now I don’t even think their u19 team would make the BHP Top 20 in 2017. It’s a real pity. Lots of kids with potential down there and of the team that won the CC u19 a few years back quite a few would not have gotten contracts at other unions.

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  12. @beet: I have always maintained the loss of Paul Anthony and Nico Serfontein has a huge influence on the development of the Bulls youngsters.

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  13. @Rainier: The Bulls tasted Super Rugby success. Not once or twice but thrice. Three more times than any other SA franchise. The style of play that paved the way for those successes, has maybe been an issue in player development in Pretoria ever since. In a sense Super Rugby success eventually the downfall at Loftus but imagine if personnel there had deviated from that blueprint and failed along the way, it would have always been held against them by every supporter. Anyway the junior budget is there to support a good foundation, its up to the Bulls coaching staff to produce the style of rugby and training techniques that puts them on top in the Southern Hemisphere once again.

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  14. @beet: when Saru pulled the funding the EP acadamy was done for,with their cc and pro 14 comitments it would seem the two unions to make a name for youself would now be free state and ep…i think they will bring youngsters through at a much faster rate than te other unions

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  15. @beet: agree with you on impact of quality coaching. In any team sport that is a critical and major success factor.
    W.r.t. contracting junior players, I understand that with the quality and success of the varsity cup system, many provincial coaches are tapping into varsity players, rather than expensive contracts. Varsity players have study as priority and that drives behaviour and decisions for where they go, obviously with rugby setup as secondary consideration. So except for Bulls (lots of contracts), the Sharks, Kings, WP, Leopards and Lions should have good “other” options. It also free’s the provincial guys up to not play “out of form” contracted players before other “in form” talent.
    Let them work for their honours!!

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  16. @Smallies: het net na post so hol gevoel op maag gehad en besef ek het been van die belangrikste bakens uitgelaat. Soos WP, Sharks en Lions het hulle ook voordeel van getalle met verskeie ander leer-instellings in onmiddelike omgewing.

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  17. I looked at the “Top 6” schools to see how mant times a year they play each other. I checked the last 3 years. The max is 15 games over the past 3 years.
    Paul Roos 14
    Boishaai 12
    Grey College 11
    Affies 10
    Paarl Gim 9
    Monnas 4(only 1 in past 2 years)

    I am not sure why a top rugby school like Monument shy away from playing big games. maybe Hooit can help with this. Even in next years Noord Suid, they are not playing Gim. I gained more respect for Paul Roos with probably the toughest schedule of all SA schools.

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  18. @beet: Thanks Beet.

    Out of interest, how many boys are accepted to the various provincial academies? I ask, as it seems to be a huge number. I know one kid, who’s been accepted to the Bulls, Sharks and WP academies, but he attended a school whose 1st team would lose to Affies 10th team and he didn’t even play rugby this year. If they’re accepting him, they must surely be accepting hundreds of players?

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  19. @Vleis: he can apply,i dont know if he will be accepted though,i have a fried whose son wnt to the sharks academy while not on contract,his dad had to pay his way…

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  20. @Smallies: When my son was in grade 11 (2015), he was invited to the Sharks Academy. They said that they’d provide discounted studies, but we declined. The invitation was fairly general in nature and as kids get in despite not even playing rugby, it makes me think that there must be a massive amount of kids at the academies…which means that it is probably 99.9% a waste of time.

    My kid is playing in Ireland now anyway, so my question is just out of interest.

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  21. @Vleis: The Sharks academy have been notorious for doing this.It seems to me that they play the parents by convincing them that their son is the real deal.The reality to me at least is that these chaps are being used to fund the guys who have bursaries.Heard from a number of guys who have been there that they the fee paying individuals don’t feel that get a fair crack.

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  22. @Vleis: the academies can play a positive role in the system, by providing talented and trained feedstock. But they can only be sustainable if the boys do get opportunities in the provincial setups. Unfortunately this does create expectations from parents and the Academy management, on provincial administrators and coaches. If “non-deserving” decisions are made then it creates more politics. Seems that some academies have had good talent coming through.

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  23. @David: Lets open a can of worms here. Monnas do not shy away from the big games. They play what they get at festivals. Last time they played Affies they gave them a hiding. Affies does not want to play Monnas anymore since then. Good news is I heard an Affies vs Monnas game is in the pipeline for 2018/19. Monnas played Grey Bloem at Wildeklawer a few times untill the last time in 2015 when Monnas beat GB. The juniors still play each other but not the seniors. Why? There are many rumours. Monnas play Paul Roos, Paarl Gim and Boishaai juniors regularly but not at 1st team level. I have heard that Monnas is still not regarded a ‘traditional’ rugby school in SA and being co-ed it is not good to loose to Monnas. The good news is that the new structure at Monnas is working hard to fix this. You will see Monnas playing more festivals from next year. Getting more derby’s and I believe they will leave the Tuks Reeks soon 2019/2020 in order to play other teams.

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  24. Unfortunately the assumed ‘top 5’ schools can pick who they want to play. Helpies can confirm who they wanted to play at St Johns but the other team did not want to. Garsies is experiencing the same problems now being a non traditional rugby school. There has been more examples of big schools wanting thing theire way this year.

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  25. @David: @Hooit: Hooit is correct. Monnas would not shy away, you can’t (always) choose who you want to play. It helps that the other 5 have regular derbies against each other.

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  26. @Die Ken: I just feel that Monnas produce good teams most of the years, why they dont play the “top” schools more often is puzzling. Hope it changes in the coming years.

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  27. Hi Beet , I believe that Oliver Calvert-Evers is going to university in the UK next year.

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  28. @Hooit: You know how boxing works..Must the champion give a fight to every new contender who is suddenly in shape that wants to prove a point?. You first have to earn respect before you can dictate terms. Schools cannot play every team that wants to play against them just to satisfy the others hunger for glory. Unfortunately it takes time and results to establish one self. This new millennium age tendency of instant gratification is all to evident in our current schools set-up as well!

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  29. @CharlesZA: Monnas is al lank in die tand en word oral respekteer. Ek dink die probleem kom meer dat daar eintlik net WK beskikbaar is waar hulle die top 5 kan speel aangesien hulle paasnaweek toernooie by Kearsney is en nie een van die ander is daar nie. Die WK bepalings kan net soveel kombinasies hanteer.

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  30. Mind blowing this traditional school thing … last time Monnas played Affies Monnas beat Affies but the “traditional schools” will rather play Affies than Monnas. Problem is when schools have to start protect their “traditional” status … especially in the Noordvaal!

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  31. @BoishaaiPa: Ek het al n geruime tyd gedink die feeste in JHB kry nie altyd die matchups reg nie. No offence maar julle het 2 oefen games en 1 teen Affies gehad die jaar. Buite WK is daar so min kans om buite streek teen groot spanne te speel, vir wie help dit as julle speel teen n span wat nie eers julle 3des kan klop nie.

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  32. @AbsolutMenlo: Where do you get the term “tradional” from?..I don’t know of one of these schools that calls themselves that or that they have a specific status. It is rather a fraternity of Boys Schools that share the same ethos and value systems. Their derbies consists mostly of schools of similar ilk where all boys can compete at all levels. Grey incidentally played Monnas every year since 2010 up to 2015 with Monnas winning one, Boishaai have played them 3 times (2009, 2012 and 2015) winning all three and Paul Roos played them 4 times (2009, 2012, 2015 and 2016) winning all 4. The opportunities to play however is scarce as most teams already have their fixed fixtures and the only opportunities available is at tournaments. It doesn’t help either that they are not all at the same tournaments. So I don’t see how your statement that these schools try to protect their “traditional status” has any relevance at all!

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  33. @CharlesZA: Dink jy dit is regverdig om vir seuns 3 klipharde games in 5 dae te gee?..Aan die een kant praat julle altyd daarvan dat die kinders die spel eers moet geniet. Aan die ander kant kan die sterk spanne of top spanne geen ruskans of “makliker” games geniet nie, want almal wil teen hulle been pis!..Baie van hierdie ander spanne het n hele paar easy games deur n seisoen..gun die topspanne dit ook asb.

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  34. @BoishaaiPa: The term “traditional” rugby school has been used all over the blog.
    My argument that if such a “traditional” school over the years played and dominated the OTHER schools in a certain region stop playing them after losing a few games then in my book they wanted to protect their status.
    Trek maar die skoen aan as hy jou pas … :mrgreen:

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  35. @BoishaaiPa: As die kampioen moet jy boks wat voor jou gesit word.Don king gaan net die beste kies,anders stel die tv netwerke nie belang nie.Julle verdedig die titel baie suksesvol so hats off vir dit.Jy weet ons respekteer dit,almal rugbymanne hier.Dan weet jy wat @AbsolutMenlo bedoel,Larry Holmes wat vir Gerrie in die 80’s gedotch het.Hoekoem?Larry was daai tyd as byna onoorwinbaar gereken deur die kenners.Sy kamp het van beter geweet,2 redes.Sy reguit regter in die vroee rondtes en belangriker,Gerrie was n simbool van apartheid.Dit sou nie slegs n oorwinning vir Gerrie en SA gewees het nie maar vir apartdheid ook.Hulle het onthou wat het gebeur en hul les geleer met die geveg tussen Schmeling en Joe louis wat n oorwinnig meer vir Hitler en sy idologie was as vir hom.So die maklike en beste uitweg was as ons nie boks nie kan ons nie verloor nie.Nie teen julle gemik nie,verstaan my mooi,julle sal in een week teen al die top skole in Noordvaal speel.Ons almal weet van wie AM praat.Maar al soos baie gese as jy nou eers begin boks,wys respek vir die champ en werk jouself op tot jy n contender is,eendag is eendag….

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  36. This chat was started after the question was asked as to why Monnas do not play the top schools. I responded and it seems that all are agreeing. Valid points from all. Monnas is not in the position to make requests. We play what we get given. Even against Garsies😈😇😂. Monnas would like to play more top schools and I know Tjaart share this desire to play the top schools. 2018 fixtures and schedules mostly done so lets see what happens in 2019.

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  37. @Hooit: Nothing wrong wanting to play all the top schools … but I believe you still have a responsibility to your own region in order to assist progress and ultimately more top schools within your region.
    That is why I’m so excited re Virseker 2018!!

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  38. @Hooit: Enigste moontlike geleentheid is by WK en daar is net 2 wedstryde beskikbaar, so dit gaan altyd moeilik wees om gereeld games teen BH, Paul Roos, Grey en Paarl Gim en diesmeer te kry. Noord/Suid kan dit nou in n mate oplos. maar dit sal ook nie op gereelde basis kan plaasvind nie.

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  39. @AbsolutMenlo: Agree but Tuks and Virseker IMO is a waste of games and time. Glad the Helpies game will now happen anually. Kes already on program. Jeppe in trials. So Lions region covered. Bulls region covered with Virseker and derby against Waterkloof. Just Affies left but hopefully it happens in 2019.

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  40. @Hooit: Agree!
    Virseker should be a must!
    No … Kloof and Affies IMO should play Virseker and we should play them there. If they opt out (their decision) then sorry.
    Will therefore wait and see if our derby with Kloof will continue.

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  41. @Hooit: As ek so na die Wildklawer spanne kyk dan se logika vir my dat HJS bv net 2 van 8 spanne sal kan speel…Dit sal nie sin maak om hulle teen spanne van hulle eie streek te laat speel nie..Dus is die logiese spanne wat hulle kan speel Affies, EGJ, GlenW, Helpies, Menlo, Monnas, Selborne en Waterkloof. julle het effektief 25% kans om HJS te speel :mrgreen:

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  42. @Riempies: like the Bulls who got closer to 50 and still bulshitting themself.You got to have absolute no confidence to contract so many players..hope and miss system.I guarantee a lot of unhappy parents and kids next December

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  43. @Hooit: Ek oortuig hulle self weet nie wat hulle doen nie.En dan is hulle besig om van die afrigters ens te “retrench”Iets ruik nie lekker

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  44. @beet: Beet dont be mistaken.The Bulls and Tuks work together.Tuks contribute a large amount,and from that comes a lot of unhappyness.In change the Bulls run the young guns and Varsity Cup.Basicaly you cannot play the above without a contract.Yes there is a 5% chance

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  45. @knowthegame: Hopelik verander dinge. Tyd sal leer. Maak seker nie saak waar jy speel nie. As jy die beste wil wees moet jy seker die beste klop. Of hoe?

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  46. @Riempies: dit is hoe dit in teorie werk,maar rugby is ongelukkig nie so maklik nie,dit totaal subjektief.Maar sterkte.Ek dink bv DdE moet nie eers in Bok oefengroep weees nie,maar hy in matchday 23,so….

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  47. @knowthegame: Daaroor stem ons dan saam.Oor DdE. Miskien is ek net so ontwaardig volgende jaar of miskien nie. Op die stadium moet ek positief wees.

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  48. I know that the Lions in the past contracted plus-minus 35 junior players. I also heard that this number is being reduced to around 26-28. The Lions also have a good relationship with UJ and Wits, and normally draws from them, when gaps appear.

    WP contracts around 40 juniors.l They now also have the Maties on board, to provde bursaries.

    Maybe Beet can confirm, but the Sharks’ academy is no longer such a huge supplier of talent, as was the case in the past. The academy provides the players with accomodation and then link those of them that don,t make the provincial sides, up with local clubs, to give the youngsters some game time. The club then helps the players with a bit of funding, and somtime also meals. Only a few of these players eventually ends up with a proper contract.

    As I have previously mentioned. Most top unions only contract the vast majority of juniors for one year. The really outstanding talents will get 2 years (and in exeptional cases even longer). Players, that were offered contracts by their home union, but decides to accept an offer from another union, far from home, will normally also have a strong case for a longer contract period.

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  49. Soek nog steeds n antwoord op die kategoriee? Sal nice wees om te weet wie kontrakte het en wie is academy etc by die Bulls? My seun natuurlik ook daar. Dis baie spelers! Ek reken dat die beste maatsatf sal wees hoevell vandag op die boeke is wat laasjaar aangemeld het?

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  50. @Riempies: Wish I could join you to come and support the boys but have a UJ thing tonight. Keep an eye on Joe Van Zyl, Laubsher, Billing and CJ for me please – great players. Have fun.

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  51. @Rainier: Ag nee man mens eet nie groente so vroeg nie.
    Daai burgers met n kaas sous. Regte vleis nie die poef wat ander plekke maak nie. :mrgreen:

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  52. @BoishaaiPa: die hoenders hier is gewoond aan geweld en kan ‘n taxi toe oe “dodge”. Rede Hoekom Hulle so in aanvraag is: hulle word as kuikens in die “flats” gesource en dan oor paar weke opgejaag na Gauteng. As hulle hier Kom is daai dye extra groot en hulle KAN step. Probleem kom wanneer die Bulle hulle kry. Hulle is so verveeld van niks doen dat hulle sommer self slagpale toe stap.

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  53. @Hooit: Ek sal julle nooi vir ‘n braai met tjops en wors wat van ons Karoo plaas af kom, nie by die Spar gekoop word nie.

    @Riempies: Probeer die hoender, jy sal jou deuntjie verander.

    @BoishaaiPa: Natuurlik, dis hoe hulle so plat kom.

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  54. @Rainier: Gaan myself eers versadig aan die burgerjie eet net ingeval dan sal ek so stukkie groente probeer net omdat jy dit aanbeveel. :mrgreen:

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  55. @Rainier: nee wat ek kuier gereeld met baie lekker RSA burgers – die Van Zyls, Odendaals, Botha’s en Van der Merwes. Glo daai 2 Burgers by Loftus vandag is Ook nie te bad nie.

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  56. @beet: So sad!!! Having been on the up and up or the last few seasons, and to have it all come to nought is just a tragedy. Being booted out of SR would not have helped either. Back we go to that old situation of some unions ‘contracting’ heaps of youngsters they do not plan on using. Sjoe!

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  57. @Playa: At least these unions keep some boys dreams alive and keep them busy … if only for a year … should count for something. The Bulls/Tuks academy is also more than just playing rugby … life skills and open possible doors for other opportunities in rugby. I see it as something positive!

    Kings situation indeed sad!

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  58. I heard yesterday that of all the boys that were at the Blue Bulls camp only 32 have contracts with the Blue Bull company. The rest that was involve was part of the academy. I for one cannot confirm this but it is what was said by a player at the camp.

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  59. @Riempies: Makes more sense. I just hope the right 32 got the contracts as a few players did not impress at all. I have my doubts about some players as self discipline in order to stay in shape is clearly absent with some players. Think the saying goes ‘Shape up or ship out’

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  60. @Riempies: as some of the other unions may have less than 20 contracted players next year, the question is; Why have so many contracts?
    Surely the BB have a huge pool outside off the contracted players. Only draw in the 10 or 15 that are not committed to studies and have exceptional talent. Those that study will stay around in any case. With all the other benefits in place ( as mentioned by others) some players can also be part of the institution without being paid. Or does that also count as a contract?
    I am a strong believer that these contracts lure the boys into a false sense of security as many have a very short vision. The passion and work ethic then suffers. Rather keep them hungry and reward hard work.

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  61. Riempies is right. There are about 32 – 40 contracted players. Not all have the “full” contract that includes residence, meals, study bursaries etc. There are also talented players that were identified and invited to the camp and will practice with the group and will only receive match fees if they make the team. There were also a few injured players that did not play yesterday and are either busy with rehab or were sick, to mention a few that I know from Affies: Johan van Zyl (Hooker), Johan Mulder (Scrumhalve) Carl Els (Lock/flank), Michael de Waal (Lock/prop). They all would be raedy Jan 2018 when the season starts.

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  62. Die beserings wat in n jaar van rugby op U19 vlak gebeur is skrikwekkend.

    Die manne se lywe is nie gewoond aan 5 dae se hard werk van oggend tot aand nie en saam met dit kom allerande niggles en beserings.

    Wat ek probeer se is geen unie kan klaarkom sonder ten minste 30 gekontrakteerde spelers nie veral nie met n dubbel rondte Curriebeker nie. Verkieslik as jy posisies 1,2,3.9,10 in ag neem 35.

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  63. @BrotherBear: If you dont have a Contract you have 2-3% chance to warm the bench.If you 1,3,4,5 you still have a small chance,anders studeer maar hard.Speel jy 15.14,11 is jou kans omtrent nul

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  64. @knowthegame: that is if you have 30 or more contracted players. The odds are much higher if there are only 20 contracted players. Also only valid for first year (u\19). Players that only have sport need incredible commitment as the routine is mind numbing. Non- contracted players also have less risk of injury early on.

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  65. @MikeSt: studies se die beserings gebeur tot Groot mate met spelers wat nie fiks en gekondisioneer is en ook met die wat juice.

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  66. @Quagga: Jou gemis! Baie talent daar by die BB. Outjies het lekker gespeel jammer vir die mete skete en siektes. Hoop hulle is gou terug op die been. Paar outjies ook nie gespeel omdat hulle nie medies het nie. My laaitie het dit baie geniet en sien uit na volgende jaar. Nou eers matriek eind eksamen.
    Ps. Die grootste aanpassing vir die “soutie” gaan wees om pelle te maak post skool. Die Affie ouers is nou maar Affies en Monnas nou maar Monnas! Hope we can move on !

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  67. @Greenman: Nee wat die ou sal fine wees. Klomp moerse nice seuns daar onder daai manne (van die veld af )(Op die veld is ouens soos Pot Jacobs nie so nice as jy TEEN hom speel nie :evil: ). Hulle sal hom sommer gou laat welkom voel. :lol: Ek het nou weer gehoor dinge het nie so goed gelyk nie, soos @Hooit opgemerk het, maar die groot manne reken dis elke jaar so tot die WERK begin.

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  68. @BrotherBear: Beg to differ… maar nou ja as jy enigsins dink dat die jongmanne toegelaat word om so op te tree dink weer. Geen unie speel onfikse / ongekondisioneerde manne nie. En vir die sous part baie risky want hulle word gereel getoets

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