Springbok Team to meet Ireland.
| No. | Surname | Name | School | YoB | Craven Week | SA Sch |
| 15 | Kirchner | Zane | PW Botha | 1984 | SWD 2002 | – |
| 14 | Pietersen | JP | Generaal Hertzog | 1986 | Pumas 2004 | – |
| 13 | Taute | Jaco | Monument | 1991 | Lions 2008-09 | SAS 2009 |
| 12 | de Villiers | Jean | Paarl Gym | 1981 | – | – |
| 11 | Hougaard | Francois | Paul Roos | 1988 | – | – |
| 10 | Lambie | Pat | Michaelhouse | 1990 | KZN 2007-08 | SAS 2008 |
| 9 | Pienaar | Ruan | Grey College | 1984 | Free State 2002 | SAS 2002 |
| 8 | Vermeulen | Duane | Nelspruit | 1986 | Pumas 2004 | – |
| 7 | Alberts | Willem | Monument | 1984 | Lions 2002 | – |
| 6 | Louw | Francois | Bishops | 1985 | – | – |
| 5 | Kruger | Juandre | Paul Roos | 1985 | – | – |
| 4 | Etzebeth | Eben | Tygerberg | 1991 | WP 2009 | SAS 2009 |
| 3 | du Plessis | Jannie | Grey College | 1982 | Free State 2000 | – |
| 2 | Strauss | Adriaan | Grey College | 1985 | Free State 2003 | SAS 2003 |
| 1 | Mtawarira | Tendai | Peterhouse (Zim) | 1985 | – | – |
| 16 | Brits | Schalk | Paul Roos | 1981 | WP 1999 | SAS 1999 |
| 17 | van der Linde | CJ | Grey College | 1980 | Free State 1998 | SAS 1998 |
| 18 | Cilliers | Pat | Michaelhouse | 1987 | KZN 2005 | – |
| 19 | van der Merwe | Flip | Grey College | 1985 | Free State 2003 | – |
| 20 | Coetzee | Marcell | Port Natal | 1991 | – | – |
| 21 | Steyn | Morne | Sand du Plessis | 1984 | Free State 2000-01 | – |
| 22 | De Jongh | Juan | Hugenote | 1988 | Boland 2006 | – |
| 23 | Mvovo | Lwazi | Maria Louw | 1986 | Border 2004 | – |
Weekend fixtures:
| Day | SA Time | Home | Visitors | ||
| Sat | 16h00 | Italy | Tonga | ||
| Sat | 16h30 | England | Fiji | ||
| Sat | 16h30 | Wales | Argentina | ||
| Sat | 19h30 | Ireland | South Africa | ||
| Sat | 22h00 | France | Australia | ||
| Sun | 16h30 | Scotland | New Zealand |
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@BOG: This reminds of the story where this oke threatening to jump from the Heerengracht building in Cape Town in the 1970’s. There was a huge commotion at the bottom with people in panic and ambulances and fire brigades all gathering at the scene. Up walks a shortish, stocky oke and says to the crowd not too worry, his name is Dawie Snyman and he’s the current Springbok fullback and he is used to fielding up-and-unders and they should let the guy jump and he’ll catch him. So the police and bystanders urged the guy to jump and so he jumped. To everybody’s amazement Snyman took a step back and the poor guy fell himself moer toe into the pavement. The crowd then asked Snyman why the hell did he not catch the oke to which he replied : ‘ I always let the ball bounce firtst’
@Andre T: Hell be OK if he comes to my level, but the danger is that I dont catch him and he falls all the way down to your level. That would be a problem.
@BOG: Please don’t drag the new man down to your level.
@Haker: JJ Serfontein!! Better known as the Kondosse, on the outskirts of Queenstown. I am so excited!!
@Haker: I know who it is ou Hakertjie. Good team. Your son there?
I see everyone is wearing a jersey.. If I have to choose one it will be white with black, purple and golden shoulder sleeves. See if you ballies can work it out.
@Andre T: Reading through the comments it appears your interests are more like playing the man and not the ball.@Ploegskaar: @BOG: The two of you are not far behind him. Keep your hands out of the ruck and roll away tackler. I have no particular favourite team but let’s just say I follow talent around.
@Haker: Dont take life so seriously, but at least, show us your colours. Keep in mind that we have all kinds here- from Durbanites to Capies, from Bloem to the West rand. Some even, confused between last year and this year, last week and this week, between head and behind–. It comes with age.
@Haker: Free kick against you for a foot-up, Haker. BOG, Andre and I have been insulting each other for 6 months now, but it’s just banter and baiting, nothing serious. BOG and Andre’s War of the Catheter Ballies have been going on for 2 or 3 years now, so no chance of that changing anytime soon. Where’s your jersey, cannot see who you support?
@Haker: ou Haker, relax mate, it’s just a little bit of unfriendly banter. Bog hides behind his tongue-in-cheek comments but if you stay a little longer you’ll actually realise it’s more like finger-up-backside that he writes.
I thought this was a schoolboy rugby site. Is this the norm to insult and degrade each other? Come on folks, grow up.
@Ploegskaar: Or perhaps, simply an aging West Rand bozo, struggling to deal with his age and inability to play golf at an acceptable level.
@BOG: I unfortunately do not know Andre well enough to compare him to anyone, for all I know he might be a brilliant customs and excise law attorney at Shipstone Wylie, then again, he may be a dingy transfer attorney that moonlights in Eastern European immigration cases for Teazers.
@Ploegskaar: Agreed. What your saying makes sense.
@Ploegskaar: AT above, answered. No SH compares with GE, but he is the benchmark. But I would certainly not compare AT with Sam Snead. With Sipho Matanzima, maybe.
@Andre T: Your picks are more erratic that a Frenchman’s! Taute at 15 please.
@beet: Scotland may have shaded the BA’s in the posession stakes, but as the scoreboard shows, it’s about where you have that posession on the field and what you do with it. Bar the AB’s, and on their day the French, who can score from anywhere with the minimum amount of posession, the rest still need to play for territory and score from set-piece or phase play in the last third of the field.
@BOG: Agreed BOG, from what I have seen he was the best, but you need to qualify that it was during his era, when the game and the rules were different. Likewise FdP was the best of his era, under different rules and a more organized game. There can never be the best ever, as we cannot compare apples with apples, so just give credit where it is due and stop being so obstinate.
@BOG: That’s pathetic, it’s like comparing Ali with Flo Simba, or Sam Snead with myself. Just mute or go and chat to Cyndi.
@Ploegskaar: One name- Gareth Edwards. I measure SHs by his standards
@Andre T: Goosen is a impatient type of player, he needs a nippy scrumhalf that’ll bring the best out of him. I like your team except for 9 and 15. I think we’re a bit thin in those departments.
Charl McCleod perhaps replacing Vermaak. Can’t believe Reinach gets picked above Charl. Heard a few French clubs after him.
@Andre T: :cool: should read 8….
Would have loved to see the following team on this tour:
15) le Roux
11) Rhule
13) de Allende
12) de Jongh
14) Taute
10) Goosen
9) Vermaak
1) Kitshoff/Oosthuizen
2) Scarra
3) Malherbe
6) Kolisi
4) Etsebeth
5) Bresler
7) Elstadt
8.) Fourie/Arno Botha
@Ploegskaar: @Andre T: Scotland shaded NZ in possession and forced the ABs to make more tackles by a considerable margin. We are going to have to improve our ball retention this weekend. Hopefully also a better understanding amongst our backs esp centres (de Jongh might play 12). Would also be nice if Rhule could start ahead of Hougaard.
@Ploegskaar: Heard from a reliable source that 13 min CJ is quicker than JdV, Kirchner and Pienaar over a 10m burst. Taute, on the other hand, just managed to beat Lambie.
@Andre T: No man Andre, there is nothing wrong with Taute’s speed, you should know better than most. For the rest, agreed.
@Haker: I share most of your views. If you look at the combined speed of Kirchner, Taute, JdV, Lambie(Steyn) and Pienaar we most certainly have the slowest and least skilled backline in world rugby and I even include Rumania in this line-up.
I admit that SA has a lot of talented youngsters but obviously we would like to measure ourselves against the likes of NZ at premier level. Although they always have a very good junior squad their players seem to just improve so much better than ours once they enter the senior ranks. They are miles ahead when it comes to skills, speed, size and strength. We have size and strength but we lack badly in skills and speed. What is the origin of these shortcomings and how do we fix it? From this year’s JWC I honestly think Kitshoff will become a decent test player with Serfontein also in and out of Bok teams unless his skills are developed to become more of a distributor as well. I’m very excited about Jacques du Plessis’ future. This lad has everything to become a household name on the world stage. Apart from these 3 youngsters and to a lesser degree, Goosen, I don’t really see any players to unsettle the All Blacks in years to come.
@BOG: Look BOG, I may well be just another “rugby observer” (although I have never here or anywhere else claimed to be a guru), but FdP was certainly peerless in the period 2007 – 2009, not only according to the local pundits, but also the neutral but informed overseas press and players. For interest sake, who do you rate as a 9 then?
@Andre T: Problem is the talented players dont all get picked..you must blood the young ones on an EOY tour and after a pathetic display like the one on Saturday I dont think the youngsters would have done much worse…Mt T..just a reminder..I do believe the JWC was won by SA this year with some of our talented youngsters..Maybe you should stop trying to focus on me and watch some more rugby, maybe you will learn something!
@Ploegskaar: I think the old man rates scrumhalves in the Bolla Conradie or Ricky January mould.
@Ploegskaar: FdP won the RWC? Dont think so, but it does remind me of the Joke I heard recently. The ABs felt down and unable to lift and motivate themselves for the last match against the Ozzies. So, Richie Mc Caw said to his team that they must go for a few drinks and that he will take on the Ozzies on his own. Five minutes into the match, they switch on the TV to see- NZ 7-0(Conversion Mc Caw) So, they carried om drinking.Ten minutes from the end one of the team suggested that they rush down to Eden Park to find out what is happening, only to discover that the match is drawn at 7 all(Australia leveled in the 79th minute) and Richie sitting in the cloak room with his face in his hands and crying. “Sorry chaps, I really let you and the country down”he said.So, they tried to console Richie by saying that he did exceptionally well.”But you chaps dont understand- I was red carded and sent off, ten minutes from the end. In your case, FdP just managed to stay on the field?
@Ploegskaar: @Ploegskaar: Hmm, flawed like my grammar, should be “is flawed”…..
@BOG: @BOG: FdP one us a WC in 2007 and many titles for the Bulls. Sorry, but your reasoning, even by your standards, are completely flawed in this case.
@Ploegskaar: I did not say that you rate FH- I merely used him as an example. I regard FdP just marginally more skilled in hiding his “flashiness”
@BOG: You must be confusing me with someone else that rates Hougaard, I rated FdP, and the last PRG player I really rated was Justin Swardt, and that was at SBR level.
@Ploegskaar: Ditto. Some people are impressed with the ball skills exhibited by small kids in the townships, when doing tricks with a tennis ball. None of those “skills” are seen at international level. Likewise, some “rugby observers” are impressed by flash and misplaced aplomb.That is why some are impressed by Francois Hougaard, who is not an international player, in ANY position.
@BOG: Look BOG, I know most of your comments are tongue-in-cheek, but going on that comment you should seriously stop fishing your dentures out of the glass with your tongue, that shit’s obviously detremental to your already waning pip.
@BOG: Mute
@Ploegskaar: FdP brilliant? Clearly, we understand the concept “brilliant” differently.
@BOG: On that we agree, hence the fact that FouriedP was such a brilliant player. Personally I would like to see Vermaak get an extended run in the 9 jumper, he passes better and breaks less than Pretorius and apart from the box kicks (which he can work on) does everything better than Rondehande Pienaar.
@Ploegskaar: International rugby is played in both hemispheres. No matter how brilliant a player is in the SH , or vice versa, if he cannot play in the other half, he is only half a player. Someone like Francois Hougaard cannot play in either.
@BOG: As previously stated, the playing conditions in the NH suit Pienaar’s shortcomings. In dry conditions on hard fields, which calls for a faster game, he is a sloth, much like the Welsh 9 Phillips. Strauss was good though, although it was not very difficult to shine amongst so many poor performances.
After round of 83,80 and 79 I think I should quit golf as well. I’m much better at drinking, chasing women and talking sense. Golf is for those people who do not want to work. I still made more birdies than the Boks scored tries and I hit more fairways than they had possession. Overall we are both mediocre, difference is I know I can improve.
Crikey, how pathetic is our rugby. Playing a second string Ireland team and we scrape through by sheer luck. The winds and thunder storms in Mafikeng were more epic than the performance of this once proud rugby nation. We need a whole new team urgently with only perhaps Etsebeth and a fit Bismarck to remain. Adriaan Strauss played his best game ever but was still outplayed by his cousin. Our 9 should consider playing at 15 and let’s get real now that Porcelain Pat is a decent CC player but that’s where it stops. Juandre Kruger must quit the game immediately and JdV should give it one more week and then follow suit. Bunny Wailer at 15 should apply for a role in Prison Break 5 where he might experience the feeling of a line break. No really Superbroers this was a shitty performance and those wallies like BHP who still thinks we have talented players in this country must get a new hobby. Perhaps he should become a disc jockey at Radio Know Zero About Anything.
Fortunately next week’s opposition should give us a bit of respite to build in the northern hemisphere.
But it is sad that after 10 odd tests we are still “experimenting” and getting a game plan going?
@GreenBlooded:
Well Heyneke was definitely pleased with his team. I , though, agree with you. I think Lambue will play better next week vs Scotland if he gets a start. Last thing he needs now is to be dropped because of his 1st half performance.
At least Heyneke understood that no-one would have done better in that 1st half
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Can’t help but think Lambie was told something to the effect of “I’ll give you a start but you had better do it my wy or you won’t get another one”. He seemed out of sorts – almost like he wasn’t free to play his natural game.
All-round I think it was a piss-poor performance from the Boks which left more questions than answers.
@beet: You should see someone about this. What would Pienaar have to do to win you over?
i thought Ruan played well… Lambie seemed to be trying to fit into the Blue Bulls type rugby in the 1st half and wasn’t working out. He had a good 2nd half though and I think the England game is where he should dominate. Vs Scotlan and Ireland Meyer will play the blou bulle rugby but in the england game they will surely play a more Sharks like game and hopefully Lambie dominates.
Hope he stays in the team though, it’ll be good for his confidence…
@beet: You cannot be serious about Pienaar? He alone, stood between defeat and victory. Most make him their MOM. Strauss also played very well and I am waiting for the 2 “gentlemen” who had such a bad influence over you, to make their learned comments tomorrow. I believe that they are having torrential rain in Mafikeng. If you live downstream from there, watch the river- you never know what may come floating by.
@beet: We were hopeless and cleaning out the rucks and protecting the ball in the first half. It was frustrating to watch the penalties we conceded. Thankfully we still won.
@GreenBlooded: For me Louw, Strauss and Etsebeth were the pick of the players. Kirchner did not let down at the back. Heinke was surprisingly good at winning scrum penalties. Apart from relieving base kicks from inside our 22 (cos Lambie could not get distance), I hated Pienaar’s form again.
@BOG: Between Pienaar and Strauss for Man of the Match. Lambie didn’t really spark like I hoped but held his own.
What are the critics of Ruan Pienaar saying now? His performance though, messed up my prediction(Good as any excuse)
@GreenBlooded: he killed off 365..this is his next quest!
@Andre T: What is tha new tv show called?..is it scheduled for Disney channel?
@Grasshopper:
Disagree. Think some drastic changes are still going to occur. All you have to do is to look at each schools U14,U15,U16 A sides and you will see. MHS and Hilton don’t have much of a bright future,Northwood have a dream team at U15 but their other two sides are quite average so their U15s won’t have much depth when their in matric,DHS has a very good U14A side with an U14B side that only lost 2 or 3 times beating College and Westville, an U15 side that punched above their weight after losing 6 players and a very good U16 side which means we will have above average years before it gets real good as next years U14 is said to be better than what we had this year,Kearsney is up and down, Westville I think will be consistently good,College isn’t looking too good but I’m sure they’ll fix that up and Glenwood seems to be getting it right every year so I think they will be up there for years to come but everyone else looks like they will be on see-saws
Can you believe it, Westville vs Glenwood cricket called off again, that is like 3 times in a row. Surely they can reschedule for during the week…..
@Horsie, since 2000 I think it’s played 17, Glenwood won 11, DHS 5 and one drawn. I don’t have my stats in front of me but will check and get back to you on the overall stats etc. I think DHS last won about 6 years ago. Yes, schools go through phases but with the semi professional approach it might not go through drastic changes anymore. Look DHS is close to me with family having gone there so I hate to see it doing badly. I support DHS against most other schools as it’s my second school, except against Glenwood for obvious reasons. The reason the rivalry is so intense is because the schools are very similar. Also, management change so current policy might change. Maher before Kershaw was focussed on other things…
@Horsie, I never said Glenwood would be up there I just said the stats will be different. At the rate Hilton, Michaelhouse and Westville are investing in their rugby Michaelhouse could be top in overall stats by 2062! I will get the head to head stats shortly. Beet, where I do a join this Superbru fantasy league thing?
We are up to 21 players now – sure there are still a few slackers who haven’t joined.
@Grasshopper: Cmon Hopper, we are still waiting for you and Roger to join our Superbru.
@star:
i think that would be Westville hey? but then again, which school has taken the most rugby guys from DHS in the past 5 years or so?? because Glenwood have only taken two
@ Horsy- I would like to know which school DHS has the worst record against in terms of their last victory. I noted you beat MHS in 2011. How do the rest of the schools stack up?
@Grasshopper:
haha you are really backing yourself arent you?
whos to say that DHS wont be back to its former self by then? also, every school goes through a bad period so i dont think glenwood will be up there forever hey…
what are the head-to-head stats of dhs vs glenwood anyways
@Horsie, correct DHS is 2nd to College for best results in KZN followed by Michaelhouse, Hilton and then Glenwood. It’s obvious as this really reflects the age of each school. The longer you around the more you will win over the younger schools. Give it 50 more years and the stats will look a little different.
DHS vs Michaelhouse 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czZ-ZmUB1Bw
just stumbled across something interesting:
DHS vs Michaelhouse
games played: 117
DHS wins:70
michaelhouse wins: 41
draws: 6
think College is the only school that has beaten us more than we have beaten them…
@GreenBlooded: Apart from the memory lapses, he stutters badly as well, resulting in him having to restart consistently. So, bare with him
http://www.grassrootsrugby.co.za/
Good article by K Ntunja
@Andre T: 235 comments already?? How long have you been here – a week? Are the Golf course water-logged from all the rain?
@beet:
do you know when the SA U16 elite squad will be chosen. i hear the 4 kzn boys have a good chance of making it…
@Ploegskaar: At least we can throw some forward passes now
@Andre T: Wayne Barnes, that’s why I have us only by 6. Enjoy.
@BOG: I’ll be staying there but it’s now called Mmabatho Palms. I’ll definately take a book with me………not too read though………I write them.
@Andre T: Mafikeng in cold, possibly wet conditions, Id rather work. But for a drinking man, there is always the Mmbatho Sun.Take a good book on the game of rugby, with you. You might just learn something.
@Ploegskaar: Jip Ploegie, after slogging it out over the tough Leopard Park layout with winds up to 40km/h, I’ll most probably have a few Voddies with a tough Karoo lamb chop watching the Irish nail us by 3 points. BTW who’s the ref?
@BOG: But your company has done me the world’s good.
de Jong at 12? Oh yes, that chappie who scored a try this year! Mabuza against the FS? I could have sworn it was the BBs and what was the final result again? Alberts could be useful, but not as a rugby player. Maybe on building site and providing his mother is with him. Is Callie Visagie a netball player? Her throws, if I remember correctly, were very crooked. And Beet, as GT rightly points out, RP was one of the standout players in the NH. Remember, bad company corrupts good character(my grandmothers advice)
@Andre T: Jip, though life…. Nice weekend forecast for Cape Town, so will enjoy the fresh seafood, great wine and even a bit of swell for a surf.
@Ploegskaar: I’m trying to be positive but I’m so down today. Must leave for Mafikeng at 13h00 for another weekend of golf. 36 holes tomorrow and 18 Sunday. Wished I had weekends off.
@Ploegskaar: Yes, but they still win
@Andre T: Injuries are part of the game, and were to be expected especially after all the SR-derbies, test matches and CC games this year. I believe HM and the provincial coaches will manage the players better in seasons to come, which will give us a bigger talent pool/squad in the near future. Let’s be honest, injuries to key players make a huge difference and even the AB’s have been wonky minus Carter, McCaw or Read over past seasons.
@Ploegskaar: 75% percent of those G5/K5’s you mentioned have spent their careers in plaster instead of a rugby jersey. Out of a possible 26 games this year, how many did Goosen play?
@Andre T: Coenie, Bismark, Andries, Schalk, Juan, Goosen, Frans Steyn, Brian to name a few. In addition the 2 young Province props and 2 young Sharks props will develop over the next few years, some of those SBR boys that we have been raving about will take the step up and a guy like Jaque Fourie will be back. Darem baie swartgallig vandag.
@Kes Dutchie: Dutchie, no afrikaans here please…….and behave…..only rugby here……this is not a social forum.
@Kes Dutchie: Arrived just in time to join the SBR Superbru pool. Be nice to get over 20 in the pool so that Beet can sneak in on the final day and win again …
Dig the blog. well done
@Gungets Tuft: A few of our average scrummies have ended up in Europe and looked like gold. Michael Claassen and Rory Kockott come to mind so I’m not counting on that award to mean much especially at the higher test level. Scrumhalf has the ability to control the game from the base of breakdowns/scrums by making sound decisions but except for the home test vs Australia where Pienaar reverted to continuous quickball, he has shown precious little form in terms of exercising the best options available. I’m going to need to be surprised to see how conditions under foot makes his brain tick faster. Perhaps the thinking is he doesn’t have to – the conditions will forgive his slow reactions and missed opportunities. Then again on Sunday the All Blacks might show us what smart rugby and sharpness can produce.
Bismarck and who else will bolster the team?
@Ploegskaar: Which injured players?
@Andre T: No man, once the injured players return and Meyer gets the right mix of youth and experience over the next 4 years, we will develop a very competitive unit. We may have had a mediocre season at international level (due to various factors), but the performances of especially the Sharks and Stormers at CC and S-rugby level was very good. These teams with the Lions have already bought into the new type of game and will only get more adapt at it. Likewise HM will also get better, he is notoriously a slow starter because he believes in implementing systems first and reaping the rewards later.
@Gungets Tuft: Even Schalk Brits has won that award. I think it’s normally just a nice gesture to the SA players for giving up braaivleis and sunshine.
@Andre T: I have to see more of him before I make a call. He’s had a few good games and a good CC final, but ala John Williams you may end up pulling a Lance Sherrel on yourself based on that.
As I said, I respect Fourie, but pretty sure that HM also has that size infatuation like the rest of the country, so he will probably never get a look-in.
On another subject, I do hope that they move Spies to the wing when he gets back, he can be the next Willem Stapelberg/Ray Mordt/Neil Burger.
@Ploegskaar: On the other hand besides the team and the few other players we’ve mentioned so far, who else can fill in. I think we have the worst pool of talent available ever to become a contender again and I’m afraid the future doesn’t look much brighter. To be very honest, I prefer watching the French Top 14 competition to any other rugby. That is still rugby played like I remember it.
@beet: Wasn’t Ruan voted Premiership Player of the Year this year. Means that he has probably proved himself on the NH wet and heavy fields. Perhaps his apparent inability to do anything so far for the Boks is that his #10 has been standing 25m behind the advantage line to give his 14 team-mates time to defend that channel …
@beet: The slownness of the fields and the game up North will suit Sloth Pienaar (that’s why he has done well for Ulster), so he will do ok. Likewise Steyn may have been a better pick as the conditions negate his shortcomings. A world class player does well in all conditions, and we don’t have many of those, but we do have guys that excell in different conditions, so maybe it’s about picking the right guys at the right time for now and for me that has been one of HM’s shortfalls to date.
@Ploegskaar: I think Fourie has shown in S15 and CC that he can play at any level. He is an absolute freak.
@Ploegskaar: Catrakilis
@Andre T: You lost me.
@Andre T: I honestly think that Taute is so talented that he will become one of the best in whichever position he gets time to settle, but agreed, 15 is his best position at the moment.
Sarel is good, but minus a crisp pass, which in my opinion is now more important for a 9 in the modern game, as it’s mostly about phase play and picking the right runners.
I have a lot of respect for Fourie, but he would have been less effective up North and like Adriaan, maybe the step up will be too much. Visagie must have his eyes tested along with Burden, worst throwers in SA, so too much of a liability at the moment.
@beet: I’ll also consider Taute on the wing. Willie le Roux must be the most exciting player in SA but also no defence. Has Meyer explained why he didn’t pick Deon Fourie?
I really like Sarel Pretorius and Willie le Roux. 2 very attacking players with creative energy as well. Sarel just a liability on D where he tends to miss tackles. I have had enough of Pienaar’s brain dead play, inability to read the game, his slowness and also not being able to attack around the fringes. He really needs to prove himself on these wet fields. Hopefully this partnership with Lambie who isn’t a good long punter works out, with Pienaar having a big boot.
What about Taute on the wing for N/Hemiph games. Biggish strong runner like George North out wide could work out. Speed not such a big factor.
@Ploegskaar: What about the Parthenon at 10? Perfect for the 10 man game. Heard there are lots of flies and moths in PE so he’ll have to work on that open mouth.
@Ploegskaar: That’s a perfect summary of Strauss. Good but not good enough.
@Ploegskaar: I don’t think Taute is 13. Rather 15. Pretorius at 9 and Callie Visagie at 2. Deon Fourie at 6 and captain. The less from Bloem the better. They are too used to SBR where they USED to dominate.
@BOG: Nothing wrong with Adriaan, just don’t rate him to be honest, gives his all like a reliable donkey every game, but definitely no race horse. Alberts just needs to step for the shoulder, a slight adjustment, and he will be as good as Read is for the AB’s. He will be effective none the less.
Was busy compiling a highlight reel for our new TV show last night when I once again watched that superb try scored by Thabo Mabuza against OFS at CW 2011. He first used his natural strengh to run over the whole OFS pack and then injected sublime pace to outstrip the backline to score in the corner. What a player for the future.
@Andre T: Would have played Jantjies at 10, Lambie at 15, de Jong at 12 and Taute at 13.
@BOG: Number 2 should rather enter the annual ‘Helgard Muller look-a -like’ competition at South Beach on Boxing Day.
@Ploegskaar: What is wrong with 2? He is one of the most consistent in the pack. I agree with your opinion on Spiderman at 15, but Alberts? They may as well use a barge pole, just one with a little more sense.12, 13 and the one on the bench, looks very vulnerable.
@Ploegskaar: I’m also worried about Porcelain Pat at 10 and Lipstick at 12. I think Flippie Burger can stand his ground at 15 and Dale Santon at 2.
@Andre T: Agreed, Unibrowe Pienaar and Jack Black Du Plessis will have to pull socks. Double-jowl Alberts has been getting better, so no problems there and Taute, as a talented Stormer, will shine on the tour. My biggest concerns remain mediocre players at 2, 12 and 15 (with 10 the most important positions for any team).
@BOG: Any truth in the rumour that 13 Minute vd Linde and Iron Maiden’s grandchildren will also be in the stands?
@Andre T: Speaking of passengers, rumour has it that the mothers of Alberts and Taute are travelling with their boys. Is this something which is instilled in the education at Monnas? I hear that they wanted to build a hostel at Monnas as well, but the annex which was meant to accommodate the mothers, was too expensive. Any truth in this?
The only player who bounced higher than Flippie when hitting the turf was Botterkanon Wiese.
@BOG: It’s also about time Ben Stiller Pienaar and Iron Maiden du Plessis justify their selections.
@BOG: @Andre T:
@Andre T: They are covering for “Barge-and-fall” Alberts and “Rond-om-Talie” Taute
@BOG: Who will the 2 passengers, Vallerige Flippie and 13 Minute CJ, go up against?
Pleasing to see that the display units in the Grey College Reunion Hall will have a lighter shade of green(or is it now black)jersey on exhibition. Richardt Strauss is in the starting line-up for Ireland and will be going up against his cousin, Adriaan, the Bok hooker.
@Grasshopper:
From what I know he is an original(DHS from grade 8).
And no, there aren’t many locks better.I rate Etzebeth is the only better guy but then again they don’t play the same position.
I think the CC final might have taken him out of the bok squad even though it wasn’t AT ALL his fault!but, I do see him as a future bok and hopefully Meyer does too…as. For PSDT, I see him and Anton forming a great partnership In a couple of years
Marco Wentzel! Does he still play? Steph du Toit will be up there soon too. Paul Willemse could also be there in 3 years if he gets fitter and loses some weight….but I do like the way Bresler plays, no flashiness just hard graft…
@Grasshopper: Bresler had to live in the shadows of other Sharks locks for two seasons but he has really stepped up to the plate this season and is now our Sharks no.1 choice. He is really competing with guys for the #5 jersey altho he can play #4. So its more like Bekker and Juandre Kruger are main rivals and Martin Muller can’t be ignored either. Unfortunately Heyneke sees more value in Marco Wentzel :???:
@Horsie, just out of interest how long was Bresler at DHS? Is he another BJ Botha story, played 11 years at another school went to DHS in his last year and is now a DHS Old Boy? To be fair any school would claim that, just like if Marne does well he will be a Glenwood Old Boy not a Waterkloof one. I agree Bresler is good but not really Bok standard yet. There are quite a few young locks better than him eg Etzebeth. I think with time he could become an enforcer type lock for the Boks, maybe bench…time will tell…
Hoping Anton Bresler makes it as a Bok. He’s a monster on the field and is,of course, a DHS old boy
@BOG: Okay you are in. We are up to 17.
@beet: I have reached a stage where I am even confused by being uninvolved. Grasshopper- Rephrase the question to “finished school in the 70s”
Jeez, not one oke in the team born in the 70’s, I must be getting old!!
@Andre T: It will make for a good compo + I’m organising some of PaulRoosPa’s Xango as first prize. Helps with cuts, bruises, golf swings, memory loss, everything :smile:
@beet: Bog will only be able to predict the scores on match days as he can’t think so far ahead at his age.
@BOG: No its easy. Just register a name, password and predict scores only. Very uninvolved :smile:
I notice that with Gwede Mantashe directing criticism towards the selection of the Bok team, and the response to it, it is almost impossible to comment on 365. Beet, would it be in order if I called bloggers like BHP and AT old fools. If so, I shall have a look at Superbru- just hope its not to technical. I was born BC
Sjoe! John Mitchell cleared of all charges and reinstated as Lions coach. Now what :shock:
@Grasshopper: I will scan and send it too you.
@Beet, I will go out and get the mag, is it available in Cape Town? Andre T, your circus antics indicate it’s something you could be capable of but if it was not you then I apologise. I bet it was the Glenwood staff trying to cheese me off :razz:
@Grasshopper: I’m too upset about you thinking that I took your identity to reply to Glenwood’s inability to produce good players. I’ll have to cool down first.
@Grasshopper: There was an article on Rodney Gould in the Sharks mag.
@Andre T, Glenwood have only had decent rugga sides every year since about 2005, hence the best are still to come through the ranks. Shaun Adendorff, Fred Zeilanga, Kyle Cooper, Fran Kleinhans and Warren Whiteley are probably our best hopes. We are ranked in the Top 20 schools for Boks produced with about 6 or 7…
Shame..I see T is Trolling for attention again..poor man cant get the inferiority complex issues out of the way. When those schools can catch up with the 17 odd Boks already produced then he can come and ask questions. There is one is the current Bok squad as well as another three in the CURRIECUP CHAMPS squad who could have been picked, but it is indicitive of the current coach to ignore WP players anyway!
Great. 3 new players on board for SuperBru. :grin:
@beet: I’ve just applied to the pool.My name there is “Storming Chiefs”.Please accept.
I spend the highveld winters in Sheppies and the summers here. I’m usually very frank and ernest with women……in Sheppies I’m Frank and up here I’m Ernest
@Andre T: Are you still on the South Coast? Or is that your mate Speartackle? Be careful of the chicks down there – they bite.
@GreenBlooded: That’s what all the women here call me.
@beet: Only 8 out of all the bloggers here is really a poor show. Get with the program guys – join this Superbru pool. It has nothing to do with West Rand slang.
@beet: Okay, I’m in. My predictions made, Cappie.
He’ll have a fit if my predictions are correct.
@Andre T: Cmon Andre, click on the link. It’s easy. You just predict scores. It takes less than 5 minutes.
@Rugger fan: No, that was 365
@Andre T:
I think beet posted on a thread a while back (think it was on the Craven Week … can’t find it) .. on the topic about the number of recent Boks that have played Craven Week (then SA Schools) vs those that did not.
@BOG: I see Grey College also heads the passenger list to Europe with Flip and 13 minute CJ.
@beet: What is Superbru? Sounds like some kind of greeting slang from the West Rand. Take on BHP?……trying my utmost to avoid him.
@BOG: Back to the future, Kondossie……back to the future. I have a great future behind me ou Boggie…….touching 70 you say?
Only 8 from a possible 23 players from franchise schools? Now I can clearly see why schools like Glenwood, Waterkloof and Paarl Boys have such huge budgets for rugby ‘development’. Must be very embarrassing for them to see minnows like Port Natal, Nelspruit, Monnas and Michaelhouse making up the numbers.
@Andre T: @BOG: Why aren’t you guys in superbru. Ideal opportunity to take on BHP.
@Andre T: Last years number one? They have five(5) in the squad. Could/should have been higher, had it not been for injuries- Frans Steyn, Bismarck d P, Johan Goosen and Coenie Oosthuizen. I think you are confusing last year with this year.
Amazing to see only 7 of the squad played SA Schools. The competition must have been fierce. Why no representatives from last year’s number 1 in SA and 2 in Paarl? Does the budget stop after school?