| Rank | Team | Avg |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | HJS Paarl | 4.71 |
| 2 | Paarl Gim | 4.43 |
| 3 | Grey College | 4.27 |
| 4 | Affies | 4.25 |
| 5 | Glenwood | 4.03 |
| 6 | EG Jansen | 3.71 |
| 7 | Monument | 3.56 |
| 8 | Oakdale | 3.50 |
| 9 | Paul Roos | 3.46 |
| 10 | Dale College | 3.29 |
| 11 | Selborne | 3.27 |
| 12 | Grey PE | 3.25 |
| 13 | Jeppe | 3.19 |
| 14 | Helpmekaar | 3.17 |
| 15 | SACS | 3.13 |
| 16 | Kearsney | 3.05 |
| 17 | Boland Landbou | 3.04 |
| 18 | Diamantveld | 2.92 |
| 19 | Outeniqua | 2.77 |
| 20 | Garsfontein | 2.77 |
| 21 | Welkom Gim | 2.71 |
| 22 | Nelspruit | 2.59 |
| 23 | Pietersburg | 2.46 |
| 24 | Potchefstroom Volkskool | 2.42 |
| 25 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.42 |
| 26 | Fichardpark | 2.42 |
| 27 | Rondebosch | 2.41 |
| 28 | Worcester Gim | 2.41 |
| 29 | Hilton | 2.40 |
| 30 | Ben Vorster | 2.35 |
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Really was impressed with the college fullback against hilton. Higher honours next year or was I seeing things?
@McCulleys Workshop: yes was a lot of basic mistakes from cw and aw teams… cw- JJ played well, Lubbe, Richardson and Pepsi had solid games… scrums and lineouts still has room for improvement. AW had a shocker re handling… Gutu, wayne9 combined well…. they had about 4 tries waiting for the final pass to be completed but did not materialise. A couple of positives going forward. I do not think this is a particular strong Puma u18 group on yesterday’s performance. ….. our u16s were magic magic nagic….
@Grasshopper: @Bwana: Thanks.
@Vleis: We play College proper next term in PMB, those will be the proper games. I think yesterday was just for Youth Day. Kind of an expo fixture.
@Vleis: Due to Craven And Grant Khomo week warm up games.
@Grasshopper: Why no 1st, 2nd, U16A and U15A games?
@Bwana: Glenwood’s under15’s are our weakest age group so expected. I remember only a year or so ago our under14A’s beating College 90 odd nil. I would expect a few boys were missing yesterday from both schools due to long weekends etc. The under14 hockey matches were cancelled by College due to a flu outbreak.
@Grasshopper: Quite a few games called early yesterday. 15Ds was called after 23 minutes
Nice to see quite a few lower team fixtures, Glenwood vs College yesterday; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULTS%20ENDING%2016TH%20JUNE%202016.pdf
Under14 rugby looking strong and deep….
@h2o: Any comments on the KZN sides?
@VanniLaeveld: just a correction on Academy A Pumas won 21-17…. and u16 Sharks win 42-16 (i stand to be corrected on u16)
Warm-up matches played today in Vryheid, KZN.
Academy B (“platteland”) : Pumas 10 – 5 Sharks
Academy A (“stedelik”) : Pumas 21 – 7 Sharks
Cravenweek : Pumas 27 – 31 Sharks
@odie15: Hahahaha!Grassy’s words not mine.
@McCulleys Workshop: I hear you.In SA however…13 is not where he should be.I can see him being an Umaga type of 13 but it just won’t happen here with our current coaching model
No problem with that. My kid will not be part of the national pride breakdown. Off he goes as soon possible. Think I got some Irish blood in me. He very Maori himself
@tzavosky: Ek het die artikel in die Beeld gelees ongeveer 2 maande terug. Dit kan 2013 wees maar hulle pertinent gese Stander het net betyds Ierland span gehaal en dat Willimse nie vir Frankryk meer mag speel nie. Dink amper hulle het gese Kitshoff ook.
@Playa: I disagree, is it not more of a function of how our coaches have set up the structure of back-line play? The Auzzies and NZ have played with a a few dummy runners lining up flat, and a far deeper back line with more space and time to execute and run into space. Think Gregan and Larkam. We can’t get away from a flat back line on attack, and trying to run over opponents as opposed to running into space or offloading in the tackle or securing the ball for support players (who are usually a yard off the pace compared to Pocock, McGraw or HJS). In an Auzzie or NZ set up Kriel would be great at 13 on attack. Our S Halves have also been pedantic, one step and pass, vs Faf who gets leverage from the base of the ruck without having to take a step and pass as well as his support play being excellent but I thought his passing was a little loose last Saterday putting the receiving player under pressure. The support runners didn’t always get clean ball. IMHO.
@Hooit: Uit ‘n rugby365 artikel:
“What is worrying is the targeting of our younger players – they are grabbing them at Under-20 [level] and players that we foresee playing for us,” Roux said.
“We’ve now changed the rule so the second qualifying is playing for the South African Under-20 side, so if you’ve played for the Junior Springboks since 2013 you cannot play for another country.”
@Playa: was he also a dumbass?
@BoishaaiPa: I curse the day HM played him at 13.
Well done to Monument. They really have a powerful team and it seems that they are peaking now in the last few weeks. Not many teams will beat them on current form. EG Jansen will learn from this game and fix those errors. A few tries scored due to errord made by EG Jansen when they were under pressure. Still two months to go the Beeld playoffs and a good break, except for Craven week for a lot of EG Jansen players. Hard work lies ahead but EG Jansen should be better prepared if they were to meet again.
@Kokkie: lol…Ben Vorster u16 also unbeaten this year so far…..not that strong fixturelist….beat Helpmekaar, Pietersburg etc…but still, unbeaten season so far
@tzavoskyMy understanding is that Willemse cant play as it is effective from 2012. The ‘law’ was only passed this year but backdated to 2012. That is why CJ Stander can play as he got selected before the Bokkies got declared as our next best.
@Hooit: going to form then, Glenwood & EG similar strength, similar loss. Monnas getting better as the season goes on. Top 5 at the moment!
1st Team. Monnas 40 – EG 21. Except for the first 10 minutes EG never in the game.
@tzavosky:
Thanks??
@chief: Their 2nd match at KES festival.
@Grasshopper: Since 2013 the u.20’s are officially SA’s next best team, and as such Thomas Du Toit, Marx, Jenkins and Snyman can’t qualify to play for another country. Willemse can as he played for the Baby Boks in 2012, as did Kitshoff. The latter needs a cameo appearance asap to prevent him from playing for France, as Willemse most probably will.
@Vyfster:
I understand what you’re saying. When did Ben Voster lose to Marlow?
@Chief: yeah, i know Middelburg H/S draw with grey cherries was last year, that’s why I was talking in the past tense.
The point I was making, tongue in cheek, they were not very good last year and if you look on right side of blog you will not see their name in the top 50 of 2015….this year they are even worse and lost twice to HTS Middelburg by 60. and horror of horrors…could only eke out a draw with HTS Witbank.
I was just trying to find a plausible reason for Fichardpark’s top 30 status….there might be lots of results I am unaware of…but that which is recorded on the blog seems a bit strange
@BHP: no worries….things statistical does interest me, and the top 30 looks more or less correct…..with one or 2 exceptions that raised my eyebrow ….there is also a couple of schools outside the list that on given day will beat many teams on the top 30, DHS , Stellenberg, Waterkloof. KES, HTS Middelburg, Bishops,Louis Botha, Noord Kaap all out of table currently……
Also interesting to see how many teams that played at Wildeklawer…supposedly the strongest teams in country, doesn’t even feature in top 30 currently…..6 teams!
@Roger: imagine replacing RG with Paul Willemse & Mahoje with Jacques du Plessis, the pack would be 965kg! A real neadethol pack! All power no skills….
@kokkie: Ek is nie so op hoogte van o/16’s nie..PR is een span ja…maar ek is seker die ander bloggers sal jou kan inlig
@Playa: He is better at 15 in what I have seen of this boy since school level…his boet is more a classic centre…but that is just my opinion. He made is name in S18 playing 15…HM converted him to 13…it’s going to kill his attacking abilities…again just my humble opinion. I hope I am wrong …if they keep playing him 13 he might develop into a very good 13…but for now he needs to play where he is more devestating..and it looks to me at 15.
@odie15: Jerry Mf*knguire show me the money!
Rugby time it is!
@kokkie: Jeppe I think. Glenwood just lost to the Monnas side.
@boishaaipa watter o 16 spanne is nog onoorwonne die jaar? Ek weet prg het nog nie verloor nie, enige ander?
Under 16 Monument 45 EGJansen 7. Very powerful Monnas team
@Roger: Who’s going to play to the ball with three gravel donkeys in the loosies and who’s going to to give them a right-shoulder?!? 1/2/4/5 are future prospects though, but that is the type of pack that highlights the lack of evolution in SA rugby
@Playa: Hehehe nothing like a bit of Jerry McGuire….here we go afternoons rugby begins!
cheese and rice – look at the size of this pack for Friday’s game?
8 Arno Botha: 103 | 1.9
7 Oupa Mohoje: 108 | 1.93
6 Jean-Luc du Preez: 113 | 1.94
5 Rudolph Snyman: 117 | 2.06
4 Jason Jenkins: 121 | 2.01
3 Marcel van der Merwe: 128 | 1.88
2 Malcolm Marx: 115 | 1.89
1 Thomas du Toit: 132 | 1.9
Total weight: 937kg
Ave height: 1.94
@Grasshopper: Johan Ackerman was John Mitchells assistant at the Lions don’t forget. Swys De Bruin appointed 2012 Straeuli 2013
@BoishaaiPa: You had me at 15. Kriel (Jesse)!
Under 15 Monument 25 EG Jansen 19. Close game at the end.
how did you get your 1.93 m 110kg frame into an xr 3?
removed the back seat?
removed some of the fur on the dash?
@Grasshopper:
@boerboel: nope, happened to be my first car. Nope it’s isnt..
@Grasshopper: see what i mean-immidiatley in your comfortzone
i presume auto mechanics a subject at gw?
@boerboel: hey bra, it’s Ford Escort XR3’s…
@Grasshopper: on point 210 I don’t care…and I don’t have an opinion on player discussed changing position.
they have been buying cortina’s in danville since 1920
@Grasshopper: awesome but my comment is purely indicating Wikipedia is updated by anybody. I was being facetious! Ackerman’s part in this story and his relevance doesn’t interest me. But now you can go update that Wikipedia.
@boerboel: Wearing bashers since the 1930’s would be a great one too OR polishing boots from 1921….
@hopper: how old the school is plays no role
just the general image portayed-they are just tryingto hard to compete with the real classy heavyweights
this black boots for the 1st team-very shaky-emphasis on wrong things-like ptting mag wheels on your car-bit zef
Johann Ackermann appointed Lions coach 23rd November 2012; http://www.rugby365.com/article/50831-ackermann-is-new-lions-coach
I mean that is for the 2013 season, 1 month out…semantics…
@odie15: OK, found it.
Golden Lions Rugby Union
December 14, 2012 ·
SWYS DE BRUIN NAMED MTN GOLDEN LIONS ASSISTANT COACH
The Golden Lions Rugby Union is pleased to announce the appointment of Swys de Bruin as the new assistant coach for the MTN Golden Lions senior side.
De Bruin’s appointment was finalised on Thursday afternoon. He is looking forward to joining the Union and assisting head coach Johan Ackermann in executing his plans for the season ahead.
“I am excited to join a proud Union like the Lions,” said De Bruin.
“I have the utmost respect for Johan and I believe we will work well together to get the Lions back to where they belong.”
De Bruin began his professional rugby career at The Sharks in 1996, where he was appointed as the Coaching Co-ordinator.
In 1997 he steered the Sharks u21s to National Champs success as Head Coach. He was also the Head Coach of the Wildebeest side in 1998.
De Bruin was Head Coach at the Griquas from 1999 to 2003. During his tenure at the Union, he was selected to coach the SA u21 team in 2001.
De Bruin was involved in the Sharks Academy in 2004, when he was appointed Head Coach. He also assisted The Sharks senior squad as Super XV Skills Coach during this time.
He coached the Sharks XV, Sharks u21 and Sharks u19 sides between 2005 and 2011. In 2012, De Bruin worked as the High Performance coach at The Sharks.
When not on the rugby field, De Bruin enjoys spending time with his family and is an avid golfer and cyclist. He is married to Marilize and has three sons.
@odie15: Yes, I am aware of that. So when did they start? Dates please…
@boerboel: Glenwood, wannabees since 1910. Now that would be an awesome shirt! Actually Glenhout, wannabees since 1910!
@Grasshopper: problem with Wikipedia is any person can update it.
@BoishaaiPa: Agreed. Frans, like RG Snyman, just needs a hare sny…unless he is like Samson then grow it to the floor
@boerboel: Not Harsh! Aren’t all the schools wannabees? We all want to be number 1……
@Grasshopper: Modern trend is actually towards setting scrums higher. The days of kortgat vetties are numbered, in the name of player safety, true story
@BoishaaiPa: you don’t think Whitley like Wayne Fyvie?
@Grasshopper: I think the two of them combined can kill opposition. Frans is a better “allrounder” in my eyes..He is a good ball carrier and defender..makes lots of tackles and more than decent scrummer. Julian is the better scrummer and cleaner..more of a “hard man” that you can either use up front or when it gets tough at the end.
glenwood falls in the category of “wannabee” schools
others that fits that description are stellenberg,garsfontein and eg jansen
@jakes: Big result that as the Monnas Under14’s looked pretty good to me.
Under 14 EG Jansen 26 Monument 14
whiteley is a lightweight(vliegpiel)Schoolbackground also a bit shaky-nothing worse than a lower middle class soutie
not outright common but borderline
@BoishaaiPa: Agree on Frans, he just seemed so out of character, an off day. Although Julian wouldn’t disgrace any side.
@Roger: I’ll stick with Frans..I have seen this boy play since u/14…and Saturday was totally out of character for him. He needs to redeem himself in his own eyes..He gets pinged now and then at rucks for competing for the ball, but it shows that as a prop he is there to compete…Saturday he was just cleaning totally wrong…
@BoishaaiPa: like it – I would replace Malherbe with Redelynhuis and bring Jaco Kriel onto the bench.
@Ploegskaar: Jy nie dalk al Saterdag halftyd daai call gemaak en begin moan nie?..
Kriel or Whiteley can be on reserve bench
@Ploegskaar: Ek vra weer..is dit dus net BH wat so speel by die rucks?..
@BoishaaiPa: I like that squad, all bases covered…
@Roger: Combrink must be in the starting 15..He should have been there on Sat already!…Kriel and Whiteley must be brought on just after Halftime…give them 40 minutes at least.
My starting 15 from the Squad:
15. Kriel (Jesse)
14. Combrinck
13. Mapoe
12. De Allende
11 Mvovo
10 Jantjies
9 De Klerk
8. Vermeulen
7. Kolisi
6. Flouw
5. PS du Toit
4 Estebeth
3 Malherbe
2. Strauss
1. Beast
16. Bongi Mbonambi
17 S Kitshoff
18 Julian Redelinghuis
19 F Mostert
20 Warren Whiteley
21 Rudy Paige
22 M Steyn
23 W le Roux
@BoishaaiPa: Natuurlik speel jy die situasie! Mos nie asof ek vir Ben Theron na die game gekontak het en gesê het dat Boishaai nie sal verloor tot ‘n WP beampte die knolle het om hulle by die rucks uit te sort nie!
@Roger: Well by the looks of things our coaches are not doing so well. Would love to know what Kiwi coaches think. I do know what my Kiwi friends say. Murray Mexted’s view would be great, but he didn’t see him play at school level.
@BoishaaiPa: I too think there will be a big turnaround this w/end. Not many teams beat the Boks at Ellis Park – I do hope AC at some point gives Kriel, Combrinck and Whitely a run though
@Grasshopper: Marx started his schoolboy career at lock, moved to blindside flank in grade 11 and hooker in grade 12. He does not have the pace for an open side flanker and is not big enough for a blind side flanker and has only played loose forward for a year in grade 11. As to your argument that his power is all in his upper body – I wouldn’t know, but the Lions do possess probably the most powerful scrum in the S18 so he can’t be too shabby – along with his fellow tight five. Suffice to say – your opinion is not shared by the majority of pundits and coaches in SA – but you are welcome to it.
Watch him closely on Friday against the Saxons – and watch how much stronger the scrum will be
@BoishaaiPa: I think Warren thrives on being written off, so the more people do that the more he puts his hand up.
@Roger: I said I am still not convinced about Whiteley yet..He did not impress in his first outing(s) in Bok colours and in some tough games he dissapeared…He played some good S18 games, but the true test is real tests. Lets face it..Saturdays game against the Irish was not a “tough” test match in any sense. We just played very poorly..on any other given day a half decent SA team playing at their potential would have put 40 plus past that Irish team with 14 players.
I am still wide open to be won over!…the simple fact is that he does not have enough experience to lead a Springbok team at this stage. Pienaar was the exception to a rule and look how he struggled in the beginning…
I called a 23-19 win for the Irish on Saturday morning past..I was close. I think it will be a big turnaround at Ellispark on Saturday. The Boks (even if they keep exactly the same team) to win it by 20 points.
@Roger: According Wikipedia Ackers started in 2013, I don’t know the exact date.
1) As I mentioned Bismarck carries his bulk in his legs, so his centre of gravity and power comes from his core area and legs. Marx is more top heavy so his power comes from his chest and shoulders. For a hooker, especially in the scrums you need your power to come from your legs. A flank requires it more from the upper body to steal ball in the rucks and tackle more often. I bet Bismarck can squat and legpress more than Marx but Marx can bench and curl more than Bissie. It’s something you can see when they play and gym, hard to explain.
2) He played loose-forward for most of his school career and was noticed in that position. Loose forward is very different to hooker. Hooker is a specialist position that needs to be learnt from early on. It was actually very dangerous for him to start in matric, luckily there is the 1.5m law. He has the explosive pace, upper body strength and height for line-outs required for a flank/No8. Naturally he would be lighter and quicker than he is now. He has only picked up the bulk for the hooker position. I only watched him once live and said then that he would be an awesome flanker in senior ranks.
Again these are my opinions, take them or leave them
@Grasshopper: “when the dumbass KES coach…..”
no my mate you are the only one here with the wrong end of the stick….
So with you level 3 coaching certificate please back up your statements with fact re: my questions above?
and do you concede that coach Ackers and De Bruyn were at the Lions in 2012? Another sweeping Hopper statement not backed up by facts
@Grasshopper: Ok so a persons decision is separate from that person? Lets send Oscars decision to jail. Makes sense to me..
@Roger: Again, wrong end of the stick. The decision was dumbass not the person, very different but it didn’t come across that way in my post. You are just adamant on harping on about it……so I won’t feed the troll any longer
@Grasshopper: so now it’s okay to insult and name call in separate posts – okay – got ya?
BTW – Zeilinga and Cooper are professional rugby players who I am sure can handle criticism – they are not schoolboys – I have no problem venturing my opinion on professional sportsmen
@Grasshopper: come now no need to throw in the towel here. We not kids, only kids brains allow themselves to feel bullied in a virtual space….
@Roger: Both questions have subjective answers, so whatever I say you’ll say its wrong.
@McCulleys Workshop: No that belongs to Robbie Diack ;-)
@Grasshopper: and nobody disputes your right to an opinion, just that if your opinion is not shared by the majority here then rather than get defensive, back it up with facts – such as:
– Why is Marx too big for hooker and Bismarck is not? Facts to support your argument?
– Why Marx should have stayed at flank when some of the top coaches in SA suggested he move to hooker and he has done so with remarkable success? Facts to support your argument?
@Roger: Said in separate posts. We all know it’s a team of coaches, my point is the team of coaches at KES made the wrong decision in my opinion. In the bigger scheme of things my opinion holds no weight so don’t even react. However, calling 3 of our provincial players names isn’t really called for.
@Grasshopper: No problem. See you have a strong chin. Good on you.
@Grasshopper: Yes to all three, but that certainly doesn’t make them anything more than second string players (excluding Whitely), and it doesn’t make Whitely the best captain or No 8.
@Quagga: Thanks Quagga. I don’t know Carl Spilhaus personally, never met him. I just didn’t agree with the change which to me was a dumbass one and I would say that too him. Life isn’t about being a sheep, people should challenge one another. Imagine how boring it would be if we all agreed. Thanks for the lecture though and multi-tasking is going well…
@Grasshopper:
“difference is I didn’t refer to him by name….”
“I know who Spilhaus is, everyone does……”
When you are in a hole Hopper – stop digging
@Grasshopper: OK. If you know Mr. Spilhaus and still choose to insult him I take it that it says more about you than about him. If a guy says to me ‘fullstop’ at the end of a post he MUST be absolutely right and that’s the end of it. Whether we are talking about one player and his school mentor and suddenly the winning argument rests with an opinion about another completely different player from another continent or not. The best way to drive home an argument, to have the last say, to let it rest forever is that simple, commanding ‘fullstop’. Fullstop it is then. Have a great day multi-tasking.
@McCulleys Workshop: Rationally thinking, was Kyle Cooper only no2 to Bissie at the Sharks 2 years ago? Was Fred not the 1st choice at the Sharks when Pat was injured? Isn’t Warren leading the best provincial side in the country now?
@Roger: lol – I fear Bog is having an impact!
@Roger: Difference is I didn’t refer to him by name…
@McCulleys Workshop: OK, I’ll leaved the blog then if my opinions are not liked or appreciated…..
@Grasshopper: I certainly support them, but not to the exclusion of all other reasonable and rational thinking. Patriotism doesn’t get you off the hook for bad choices.
@Grasshopper: “Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean you have to disrespect them and revert to name calling.”
So says the man who just referred to the Lions Craven Week coach as “dumbass”
and btw Coach Ackers and Du Bruyn were definitely at the Lions in 2012 – check your facts
@BoishaaiPa: pienaar had full strength system behind him. Now there’s puppets who do anything for money….
@BoishaaiPa: and that to me was the most disappointing aspect of the game – how our experienced test stalwarts, whom AC backed and picked from Europe, disappeared when things went south. Along with Strauss, Beast, JPP, Willie Le Roux …..
Hope they redeem themselves this week. I know you don’t rate Whitely but hell he made a difference when he came on – as did PS Du Toit. I wish Jaco Kriel had been on the bench too……
@McCulleys Workshop: Again, I apologise if I support Glenwood Old Boys, it’s only natural. Just like you support Robbie Diack, Michael Rhodes, Pat Cilliers, Cronje brothers, Pat Lambie etc, even if they are widely not regarded as the best in their positions…
@Grasshopper: buddy – you are the only bipolar blogger here
@Grasshopper: unfortunately this week I will have to comment from the couch. Fire burning while its raining beautifully outside here in Paarl valley last 2 days.
@Grasshopper: If you ever thought I was a Glenwood supporter, I apologise for leading you astray. However you need to disassociate yourself from Glenwood, Glenwood Rugby esv, you aren’t Glenwood, although it often sounds like it. My disagreeing with your comments regarding the above mentioned players, is not an anti Glenwood thing, in fact it is unrelated, its a Grasshopper thing.
@Grasshopper: Remember that one of our most successful captains ever started with a draw and a loss at home against France…In fact..after 5 tests he only had 1 win….class and consistency goes hand in hand. If you have both you will succeed. I believe Strauss have both.
@odie15: Yes I am and it’s called time management. Doesn’t take a few secs to write a post. I am in digital media so can run a few tasks at once..
@McCulleys Workshop: Dude, you like bipolar. You support Glenwood is some phases then not. I think all you know about is the Lambie House dream team of 2007 (you obviously have a vested interest in them). I support who I think is best, so this weekend Redlinghuys, PSTD, Whiteley (flank), Combrinck (your boy) and Kriel must start. Stop attacking me, I have the right to have my opinions. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean you have to disrespect them and revert to name calling.
@Grasshopper: you sound like quite a passionate rugby person….fortunate enough to be able to have a lot of free time.
@Grasshopper: You didn’t just say that!! Or deflect your vitriolic support of Zellweger and Mini Cooper? We had Zellweger rammed down our throats for the whole 2014 season, with intermittent relief while you lauded the skills of Mini Cooper and dissed Marx. Now you are on to Warren. Let’s see how far your Code 3 will get you.
@Quagga: I know who Spilhaus is, everyone does. Best hooker in the world is Dan Coles fullstop.
@Grasshopper: Lets see what happens in the next two tests before you judge..not much a captain can do if his senior players are panicking and playing poorly…It is easy to vindicate yourself after the fact. Beforehand most of the rugby pundits agreed with the choices.
@Grasshopper: No sir, not a dumb ass coach. Mr. Spilhaus is one of THE most respected coaches up here in JHB, let me assure you. He knows exactly what he is doing, just look at the improvement in the very weak KES bunch this year. Suddenly they are competitive if not good, and that without some of their potential big guns like the exceptional Travis Gordon. I think Malcolm Marx is not only a hooker, but one of THE top hookers. Remember he is still a youngster but already technically up there with the best, plus he offers the physical attributes of the likes of Bismarck Du Plessis. Can you imagine his power in the scrum situation, just watch him a bit.
@BoishaaiPa: amount of ball the backs just squandered Will make any pack feel ill. With 13 men on the field at end of 1st half we had so much ball/opportunity to score. Simple passing into space would have got 2 tries at least.
@Roger: Well I don’t agree, which luckily enough in a free democratic world is allowed. De Bruyn and Ackerman were not even coaching the Lions then so not sure how they were involved with that decision. They only started in 2013 in Malcolm’s 1st year out of school when he was playing for UJ. I answered your question if you read properly…
@Grasshopper: hmmmm – well a quartet of “dumbass” coaches, Straulie, Ackerman, De Bruyn and Spilhaus, along with the player agreed his future was at hooker – hence the move in matric. Given he has been selected as SA Schools, SA under 20 and now SA A hooker (with many predicting Springbok selection soon) I would say the proof is in the pudding wouldn’t you? Perhaps, just perhaps those “dumbass” coaches were spot on?
You still haven’t answered my question BTW
@BoishaaiPa: Do all those who thought Strauss was the best captain, still believe that? He is as animated as a Dodo. Don’t get me wrong he is a good player but certainly isn’t a captain. When the chips were down I didn’t see him motivating players…
@Quagga: That would be Etienne Terblanche who I think is playing 2nd team currently. Not huge, 195cm and 97kg but does have some grunt.
@Roger: You picked that up too..Could not believe a experienced winger like that doesn’t protect the ball and runs with it in the wrong hand..he could have used his right hand to hand-off tackler and slide in…
Anyways..I think the Boks started to panic after 50 minutes, hence the unusual performances of certain players who you can always bank on..Duane, Flow and Malherbe…
@Playa: Any coach worth his salt knows it’s dangerous to have your hooker taller than your props. Beast (1,85cm) and Julian (1.76cm) are shortish props, shorter than Malcolm. In Os’s day maybe but not now. Scrums are getting lower and lower as the pressure gets more intense. For me a hooker should be under 180cm, more like 175cm. Scarra (175cm) is a good example but Kyle Cooper (178cm) too, both short and stocky. I’m talking from a scrum perspective only here. Malcolm should have remained a flank and stayed around 110kg, not 119kg…..I stick by this opinion…
@Roger: Willie has lost whatever he had. He passes too late runs too lateral. On top of that Jantjies in my opinion a level too high. As flyhalves go I we really short on talent currently. There’s talent coming and those that show some in Superrugby won’t get any attention. With Pollard injured things are thin.
@Greenman: @Hooit: Nope. I am Quagga with the Q. He is Kwagga with the K. I am a rare breed and he is just another Kwagga from the West Rand
@Grasshopper: I agree about the locks. Enjoyed your comments, especially about the mentoring of potential star locks. By the way, my son reckons the hardest man of the lot is that ‘other lock’ that played with JJ vd Mescht in the Grant Khomo, is that Palvie perhaps?
@Grasshopper: Dumb ass KES coach!
Play nice Grassy
@Roger: Let me make it reallly simple for you, 3 or 4 years ago when the dumb ass KES coach converted him to a hooker, Malcolm should have said no coach I am a flank or No8. He should be playing flank now. I am saying he should never have made the positional swap in matric, far too late to do that, hence why he should be playing flank now….understand? Capiche?
@Roger: I suspect we missed 3 years of our lives
@Grasshopper: go and read your comment number 106 (which was 90 minutes ago not 3 years) and then let me know who is confused here?? To quote ” Malcolm should be playing flank ……”
Like I said – talking in circles
@Roger: We don’t want or need your support….
@Roger: Again, you love to bring up my comments from 2 or 3 years ago but then say things change. My comments about Marx were 3 years ago. He has transformed himself physically into a front-row player, far more bulk. If he had concentrated on playing loose forward and played there he would have been leaner and quicker, more like Kriel. He is a hooker now and the best one we have in SA at the moment, but that could change in a year too. Your application of time needs to be consistent. Bismarck carries his bulk in his legs and Marx in his upper body, their physiques are very different, but again I won’t go down that route as it might confuse you a little.
@odie15: and not sure why you pick out JPP and Mvovo only – the kukkest players on the field last week were Willie Le Roux, Lood De Jager and Frans Malherbe. Damian De Allende, JPP, Francois Louw and Dwayne Vermeulen were bloody disappointing too. If I see Willie Le Roux run across the field and pass to the touch line one more time I’m going start supporting Glenwood
@Roger: point 114. Mentions flyhalf and triggered Steyn thought.
@odie15: I agree on the Steyn matter.
JP has been a shadow of himself for close to 3 seasons now, I really have no idea what he is doing in any SA team. Must disagree on Mvovo. He was one of our better backline players last weekend. He may have been a victim of Willie’s (another once who needs to let go off the green & gold jersey) sideways running which closed down space.
@Grasshopper: Let’s not speculate on what could have been. I’d be an international ref by now had I carried on – but I didn’t. The kid is a hooker now. PSDT used to be a flank many moons ago, look what happened when HM played him there at the RWC last year. Marx is a hooker finish and klaar. Your belief that he will remain 5th choice because of quotas is for you to believe. I beg to differ, and we can agree to disagree on that one.
@Grasshopper: you still didn’t answer my question about Bizzie and Marx – why is it ok for the taller Bizzie to play hooker yet Marx should play flank?
You talking in circles here mate – despite your level 3 coaching UKCC what what!
@Grasshopper: players jump at it if given opportunity. But I wouldn’t want to be a part of this phase of Bok rugby anyway. I have had same opinion as Okkie Oosthuizen for a while now. Haven’t been to Newlands for 3 years already. Haven’t bought merchandise WP, Stormers or Boks. If the whole country of rugby stood together and snubbed system it would fall flat. WP rugby union has people running it into the ground. They filling their pockets and milking the cow so dry while carving pieces of meat off for the fire. The problem is we will never have everyone stand together against the machine.
@Roger: I brought up Steyn after you disrespected Fred Zeilanga…
@odie15: not sure how we got from Marx to Morne Steyn but in any event I agree with you 100% – I do sympathise with AC to the extent that Lambie and Pollard are out, April, although bladdy talented cannot start on the bench in a huge game like Sat. If Jantjies go off in the first 20 like Lambie did, it would be grossly unfair on young Garth April to be expected to front up in a test match of that nature. If you recall – Mallett did the same thing to Gaffie Du Toit and Dave Van Hoesselin – just not cricket old chap. I would have recalled Johan Goosen rather because there in no other flyhalf option in SA besides maybe Marnitz Boschoff (or Fred Zeilenga
)
BTW – Habana is out due to sevens commitments for the Olympics. If he was on the left wing last Sat instead of JPP, guaranteed he would not have had the ball safely tucked under his right arm and would have dived in low for the corner when going for that last gasp match winning try (although bloody undeserved). Hell – u13E left wings are better coached than that.
@odie15: Well Thomas and Malcolm haven’t played a minute yet, they maybe considering not doing so. Jenkins, RG Snyman, Paul Willemse etc might have to think twice about a higher call-up..
@Grasshopper: easy to sort these players out to stop them leaving. Have them on the bench. Give them 5 min end of.
@odie15: Totally agree, Thomas must stay at loosehead, that is where his future lies. Maybe with France too…
@Playa: Yes, now he isn’t the best choice at flank because he hasn’t played there in years. But if he had stuck there he would be up there now with Kriel, that is my point. He has 4 non white players ahead of him so best he gets a contract in France if he wants to play international rugby.
@Roger: on the flyhalf stakes why bring Steyn back? Why not try someone new? So we leave Habana out who still wants international duty and bring back Steyn. Talk about back pedaling. I actually don’t care about losing again. HM did this rubbish too. Try something lose then go back to old plan that might work once off to keep wolves away. If we have a 30% chance of winning either way drop the old baggage. At the moment our experienced players are of no use JP and Mvovu are cart horses. They had no idea how to move forward and cross the gain line.
@Grasshopper: If such was cast in stone, the creators of Apple and Microsoft would be okes with PHDs in Computer What What and not two varsity drop-outs. Level 3 or no level, chucking Marx in at flank would be a twak decision to make.
@Playa: Love how couch coaches know so much…
@Roger: Hahahahaha!
@Playa: Well at least I’m more qualified to make a decision considering I have an RFU Level 3 (UKCC) Coaching qualification…
@Roger: Better than Steyn which is a huge step back. Again, things can change with time. You guys love to apply comments from 2 years ago. At school level Fred was the best flyhalf in KZN and only 2nd to Goosen in the country. His career has faded a bit after a serious injury. You probably never saw him play at school….
@Playa: Well with quotas all 4 will be ahead of him, not my choice.
@Roger: Apply the same thinking to your original comment. Opinions can change with time. 2 years ago I didn’t rate Marx as a hooker. But he has played well with two destructive props with him.
@Playa: amen – imagine Zeilenga at flyhalf – another Hopper favourite
@Grasshopper: I don’t know that pack hmmmm. At least you have Thomas at 1. Whoever thought of converting him to lightheaded should be shot. No one becomes a tighthead in their 20’s. I think that set him back a few years in confidence.
@Grasshopper:
You’re pushing it mate. Marx certainly is better than all 4 of those, and should be ahead of both Mbonambi and Scarra. But I do believe that sanity will prevail – there’s no ways that Edgar and Chilliboy would leapfrog him – AC would have to find another position to colour in before that happens.
Secondly, Marx at flank is not kosher! The kid defines the build and grit of a modern day hooker. Thank goodness you’re one of us and not there making rugby decisions
@Grasshopper: you’re dreaming – he hasn’t played flank since 2011 (grade 9 at KES) – on what basis are you rating him at flank above Brink? His form when he was 17 years old?
@Grasshopper: but Marx is same size as Bizzie – why should he be flank and Bizzie is ok at hooker?
Bizzie – 1,89cm 115kg
Marx – 1.88cm 119kg
@chief: I think it was very even in breakdown for that match. Both teams cleared and did the same on the ground. As school games go and refs it was not a poor showing that he should be hung or criticized. The breakdown is a scrambled egg at the moment way too much grey and interpretation to a ref.
Now this is a pack that could probably dominate the Boks; 8 Arno Botha, 7 Oupa Mohoje (captain), 6 Jean-Luc du Preez, 5 RG Snyman, 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Marcel van der Merwe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Thomas du Toit
@Roger: Also never once said he was overrated, just as a hooker. As a flank he is very good, better than Brink in my opinion..
@Roger: Not really, it should be Bizzie but I was picking the best of a bad bunch. We are super thin at hooker. Malcolm should be playing flank, but that is for another day. Kyle is obviously battling for form and had a few personal issues with the whole Kingspark murder case, his assault case and having a baby. Two years ago he was pushing Strauss for no2. Marx is the wrong colour so he is still behind Mbonambi, Scarra, Edgar Marutlulle and even Chiliboy.
@chief: yeah I watched last night pen and paper in hand. Boishaai won 17 turnovers and won 6 penalties for GC holding. GC won 12 turnovers and won 7 penalties for holding. Both Serdyn (1 pen) and Kloppers (2 pen) received warnings for playing scrummy. Match was won due to kicks at post missed by GC. Having said that GC had quite a few opportunities to score tries if it weren’t for scrambling defence. Higher turnovers for Boishaai was due to GC having more possession but they scored when they were in GC territory.
@Grasshopper: you’ve changed your tune – it wasn’t too long ago you were punting Kyle Cooper as the best hooker going and saying Marx was overrated and too big for hooker??!!
@sewes: Nou verduidelik dan waar hoort hulle en wie hulle is en wie in hulle plek moet wees terwyl jy jou nie daaraan steur nie.
@Vyfster:Moet jou nie aan die rankings steur nie dis nie die moeite werd nie.Sewentien van die spanne hoort nie daar of op hulle huidige plek nie want hulle het teen niemand besonders gespeel nie,so hoe meet jy hulle werklik dis slegs lekker vermaak en om jou bloeddruk op te jaag.
@Vyfster: You must realize that I rely on feedback from bloggers re relative strengths of schools in their regions. The last feedback I had was midyear 2015. After the school holidays we will have a review of the categorization of schools for 2016 by all and it’s an open book exercise where I ask bloggers to re-categorize schools in their regions according to current relative strength. This will shake things up a bit and might bring some more logical results. There was some glitch with the spreadsheet it seems, but has now been corrected as well as some categories as suggested by you. I will ask Beet to publish the updated list.
@Vyfster: I will have a look..I dont capture all the scores myself, I have an appy doing it for me so will need to go check the source data.
@Ploegskaar: Ai Ploegie Ai..Ek neem aan die res van julle doen dit alles perfek!..BH word net soveel gestraf by afbreekpunte as wat hy nie gestraf word nie..Jy speel die situasie..Vra vir McCaw hoe dit werk…
@Quagga: for me Schickerling, Zandberg & Rob Linde of my generation were the best schoolboy locks I’ve seen play. Pairings are harder to judge. RG Snyman & Jenkins are the future, rangy RG and powerful Jenkins. I looked at the SA A side and love the pack, with Thomas, Marx & those two. Boks in 5 years maybe? Moerat does look like a man amongst boys, same could be said about Eloff. JJ on the other hand has a baby face. Again, players like these need proper position mentors, like Bakkies, Andrews, Johann Ackerman etc
@Vyfster:
Just to help you out, Cherries (Grey 2nd Team) draw with Hoërskool Middelburg was last year (2015).
lol…I see Fichardpark scraping in at nr 99 on another site……Neighbouring teams like Jim Fouche who beat fichard park 48-7, as well as louis Botha who beat them twice this year must be wondering where did they pick up points to be rated much higher than them…their narrow victory against sentraal?…can’t be has Sentraal even won a game yet this year?
or maybe you get massive bonuspoints for losing against grey’s second team…also cant be because middelburg h/s (not HTS) drew with the cherries, and they were very average and didn’t feature in the rankings…..something doesn’t seen right
@Boishaaipa: I truly can make no sense of the rankIngs, maybe there are scores I am unaware of…..but are you sure there is no miscalculation.
I will use Ben Vorster at nr 30, and dropping with every subsequent win as example…and compare to others
1. How come Fichardpark even feauture in the top 30 at 26?? i can only find 7 results for them, and only 3 wins and 4 losses…..no win against a top 30 team, they havent even played a current top 30 team?
2, if i compare Ben Vorster with Worcester gim
BV had 3 losses…against Helpmekaar, Pietersburg and Marlow
Worcester gim has 4 losses against Pietersburg (with 50), Punt!, Oudshoorn and Drostdy
WG only played one game against a top 30 side losing heavily, BV played 4 games against top 30 side winning 2 losing 2……their wins include highly ranked teams like Jeppe and higher category teams like KES
BV fixture list is against higher category teams like Jeppe, KES. Helpmekaar, Marlow…….so they have less losses this season, far bigger scalps than Worcester, plays higher category teams than WG
Except if there is a built in bias for cape sides, it is mathematically actually impossible for WG to be ranked lower than BV.
3 Voortrekker Bethlehem similar story…..except here BV beat Voortrekker fairly easily….as far as i can make out voortrekker has 4 losses against BV ‘s 3…..played only 1 top 30 team against Bv ‘s 3…..lost against BV…has one other opponent in common Brackenfell…BV beat brakke, voortrekker lost against them…yet your formula rates themlower as BV…whilst in every single criteria BV has a superior rcord.
4. lastly, it is quite interesting to note…..BV, Potch Volkskool and PHS played against Frikkie Meyer, Wesfalia and Tom Naude respectively last weekend, all recording fairly comfortable victories…any knowledgable rugby supporter will concede taht FM is by far the stronger rugby school of the 3, people can perhaps look at the big margins FM beat TN this season (and many years before)…but letus for the sake of argument assume they cerry same category point…..BV actually lost .03 points to 2.35 for their victory and drops down to 30, Phs remain at 2.46 after victory against Tommies, But Potsc volkies gain a lot of points for their victory against Wesfalia and climbs from 30 to 24 or so in rankings.
I suppose it is not that important, but it is really weird seeing things like that…the likes of Fichardpark present, other teams with demonstratably worse seasons than BV well above in the rankings….maybe you can shed some light on these oddities
@Greenman:
Maybe and maybe not, would be the same as me saying GC would have won if some injured players did play Glenwood. I think playing him at first team was a good idea, it gave him a opportunity to build up experience.
@Quagga: you any relation to no 7 of Monnas?
@chief: correct yes. it was a draw. JJ playedfirst team that year. More a waste as our :-1 team was no good. Think we could have taken it that year with JJ. However! if no good.
@chief: Will have to watch again. So much happened since then. I do recall the GC no 6 quite lively. But I can’t say much right now give me a day.
@odie15:
I think so played the last few games. Regarding the poor refs, I would like to know what you thought of the officiating in the GC vs HJS game considering the ruck area?
@chief: where was he last year? Also part of the injured?
@Ploegskaar: Yes the breakdown is a free for all and some teams exploiting poor refs. Let’s be honest ref situation on the planet is pretty pathetic. Maybe worse state than Bok rugby. PRG had the better of us at breakdown in my opinion. But I am talking about whole game stats. But in words of Katte Boland Agri had their fair share of the refs whistle in last 30 min.
Seen them all play in the past year against my own son, so afterwards end up discussing the players over a Coke. Moerat, JJ and Ruan Vermaak of Monnas all top class locks. I think Vermaak is the most physical, JJ by far the most athletic (and biggest worry for oposition teams – reminds a bit of the Du Preez twins) but Moerat just seems like a man between the boys. We have so much potential at lock at the moment. I was last so excited about locks when I saw Orie and RG Snyman clash. I remember a #5 of Grey PE that also impressed at the Saints Festival over Easter but cannot recall his name. Hope they all have great youth weeks.
@Greenman:
Will be interesting to see them next year, think they had a draw last year vs GC U16’s.
@odie15: If on fire is a synonym for bridging, balancing beyond, raking and hands in the ruck/beaten by the ruck, for sure. But there will come a day where an official will have the balls to ping them consistently and clean the ruck mess up early in the game. Will be a different ball game when they have to depend on strike plays as opposed to turn-over ball vs less organized D. Sure teams will start planning and employing player specific ruck cleaning vs Boishaai in future, target run the fetcher and work on better placing
By the way¡ The boys in matric next year in Glenwood were the last that Sean Erasmus himself called up to join Glenwood.He knows them by name and talent.
@chief: obviously a marked man which is unfortunate. Carrying 3 lions like a buffalo(like that comparison). Actually sad cause we never see him without it. Guess that goes with the territory. What does help is the attention there gives the others space. Time will tell!
@Greenman:
Very true, I really haven’t seen much of JJ this year. He will however play against Grey College this year and I hope all injuries are of the past by then?
Lock is anyway about support. If not there in timing,lost. Question is can you dominate general play. That is the question. Presents!
@chief: I think JJ should up there with him. Lets see CW
@odie15:
Grade 12 but back from injury and played against Griquas for the Craven Week team this past Friday.
@chief: Yes unfortunately he got injured. Is he gr11 or 12?
@odie15:
There is no doubt that Moerat is one of the best locks this year in schoolboyrugby but I would have liked to see Jaco van Tonder (Grey College number 4) against him.
@Playa: I am a sure…..
@Grasshopper: I tend to agree.They have some game breakers but one doesn’t get the feeling they’re dependent on their game breakers to win a game.They’re a well coached side with a demonic loose trio. From there everything flows. You might need to injure half the team to weaken them
@McCulleys Workshop: yeah they’ve had good few weeks since Affies.
@odie15: You cut me deal deep with that comment
@odie15: only seen 1 game, and loose forwards, defense and coaching the difference in that game. Loose forwards immense.
@Grasshopper: Salmaan and Ruben are the best lock combination I have seen at school level ever. Most probably could be better than Matfield/bakkies. You can see there’s something special missing in tight 5 this year. But team has dealt with that well. Now that I think about it Etzabeth/Moerat/Ruben would be great combo.
@Grasshopper: Gianni missed 4 kicks @ posts Saturday and was shut down whole day think he made maybe 10m. He’s a marked man now…..Salmaan is a different story. We played Oakdale last year without him, Ruben, Khanya and Manny in the side. In fact half the 1st team was out for some reason. It was a close 1. Currently the team comes 1st. Been quite a few niggling injuries in centers which has been most disruptive. Loose trio has been on fire last 5 weeks.
@odie15: He is a targeted man in KZN and in most games so gets 3 on him, but he certainly has the physique and mongrel to make it. Just needs a good mentor, like Mark Andrews or someone to advise him. He is in grade 11 and just turned 17 so can’t be expected to carry the KZN team. With good players around him he should do well.
@Grasshopper: I haven’t seen JJ play yet. Hopefully get to see in CW and the 2 premiere interschools fixtures. Country desperately needs good locks. Not enough competition in tight 5 as we speak. But once they leave school the coaches will ruin them anyway.
@odie15: Well according to my Boishaai OB friends Moerat and Gianni make no difference, they could be left out and the result would be the same….I somehow doubt it…
@Grasshopper: will you allow us to leave him on the bench 1 day?
@Grasshopper: Hehehe…..Hehehe……Hehehe
@odie15: have some respect MoeratGianniHaai…
@Playa: I read that comment I said weak compared to the rest…..I didn’t say weakest!
@Playa: I am sorry that you feel hurt…..I didn’t mean the weakest! But they haven’t played any strong schools really other than JJwood.
@odie15:
Absolutely!
@Grasshopper: I can agree with it being weaker than usual.Is it the weakest in the country?That’s where I came in.
@Playa: Dude the EC region is weaker than usual, just admit it. Glenwood played Northwood in a pre-season warm-up game and scored 5 tries in about 40 mins, I reckon in a proper game it would be close to 60 like in the previous 2 years. Anyway, point is we don’t just play KZN schools so fully tested.
@Playa: that’s what makes the blog fun man! Pure trash talk….
@Playa: Sorry DHS beat St Andrews.
@Grasshopper: Confidence?Careful of bringing things we cannot prove into this debate.Thought this was just about numbers…
The same DHS you beat by 1 point for given 30 by St Andrews.They also lost to Grey.MC who beat Westille lost to both Selborne and Dale.MC beat Hilton so by virtue both Selborne and Dale will beat them.Northwood got 30 from Queens.Doesn’t this out is in a ball of speculation.
Oh and Glenwood only managed a 20odd point win against the Ville. But sure their confidence was low hey
@BOG: I’ve never argued otherwise
@Playa: well they do say he’s a team changer!
@Playa: Glad to see that you obviously have had a revelation.
@Playa: Glenwood whipped Framesby 50 odd, Grey PE beat Westville by 20 or so when they had confidence. I think you have to admit the EC league this year is weaker than usual.
@kokkie: Selborne and Grey PE were in the top 10 when Dale played them.This ranking changes.It may be totally different in August.
@odie15: Hahahaha I see where you’re going with this.JJ is 30 points in his own.
GCB may not have competition in the FS but that doesn’t mean the FS league is weak.That’s the difference.I think EP playing in the CW final last year throws your opinion into question.Nevermind the score…hahahaha
@Hooit: I’ll be happy with 10th, anything higher is a bonus. Glenwood will need to pull more than a rabbit out of the hat, it’s been a decade since our first and only win vs Grey Bloem in Durban vs one of Grey’s weakest sides of the century. Affies away again is unlikely, to beat them at home in a weak year is hard enough in a strong near impossible. I’m just hoping for good performances vs those 2, but a win would be the story of the decade!
@Hooit: chance at 5.
I am not getting personal Glenwood. Based on what we all know so far with the games still to come Glenwood will have to pull a few rabbits out of the hat to stay in 5. Not impossible but unlikely. Monnas or EG have a better change at 5 than GW.
@Playa: come now we all know when Glenwood played Dale JJ was fit and when they played Monnas he was unavailable so yeah my hypotheses is correct!
@Greenman: it will be impressive. Although I think I’ve seen enough to think Affies and Grey beat them. We 75% through school league.
@Playa: I have EG losing to Monnas. You will see both on 3 losses now and then EG ending on 4 later. It’s pure speculation on my part. You must understand it’s based on results to date. Dale only play Glenwood 32-5 loss and beat Maritzburg College 25-16. MC was thrashed 60-13 by Grey and 47-8 by EG Jansen. As I said taking the liberty. It’s an opinion not a fact. Why is it we allowed to say Freestate league there’s no competition for GC! And not allowed an opinion on EP and Border leagues? It’s opinion I am not being offensive here. They can change my opinion by beating teams outside their league.
Glenwood will end up in top 10 despite possible losses to grey and affies, would have been different story if they had to play gimmies, boishaai, prg, and oakdale as well. Also the case for Dale, I dont think they play any top 10 schools this year, apart from Glenwood.
@odie15: Love the underdog tag! No pressure and if it happens then wow! If it doesn’t so be it.
@odie15: Did you just say the EP league is weak compared to the rest of the country???
I’ll let you be.
As for Dale taking a thumping from top 4 and losing to the rest in that group, speculation is not my thing, and BOG will tell you that. Let me get your thoughts on this: how can you not think that a EGJ that lost to Glenwood would be smashed by a Monnas that gave Glenwood 40 points? The same Monnas that drew with Selborne (from the weakest league in the country). The same Selborne that lost to Dale….an oh because Selborne drew with Monnas they would beat Glenwood…but wait, how could they when they lost to Dale who got pumped by Glenwood
see how crazy this could get? 
@odie15: Teen wie dink jy vir interresantheid gaan Oakdale nog verloor?
@Greenman: Personally I have taken liberty of results as I see it. My results worst case for each team
1. Boishaai 19 18 1
2. GIM 19 18 1
3. Grey 15 14 1
4. Affies. 15 13 2
5. Glenwood. 19 15 3
6. Monnas 19 13 3 1
7. EG Jansen 16 12 4
8. Oakdale. 19 16 3
9. PRG. 18 13 5
10. B Landbou 19 13 5
Yes many games left and Dale only loss to Glenwood but EP league very weak compared to rest of country. Glenwood thumped Dale by 30 and in light of everywhere else they would be destroyed by top 4 and beaten by rest on this list.
@Ploegskaar: Like Mr Molnar. Passionate coach. There with his brother.
@Grasshopper: on second thoughts, leave laubscher right where he is. Takes his line outs and a good cleaner/fetcher. Not very common among locks!
@Greenman: Conan Le Fleur has traveled a long way from Weston HS to Durban…I see his schoolmate Caleb Dingaan made it into the Boland CW team this year. Conan, Caleb, Bradley von Thura, Lloyd April and Michael Goodall (latter three also made Boland CW this year) were interestingly on a little list of sorts I compiled 2 years ago, can’t remember what it was for…
On a different note, Mr Molnaar has settled nicely in his new post back here in the Boland, resourceful young man
@Greenman: I’m hoping to get down to Kearsney for Craven Week and support the Black & White!!
@Grasshopper: my plenty it feels like!
@Greenman: Jeez, that is quick for a big boy like that. Watch out Usain Bolt if he lost 30kg!
@Grasshopper: just got it from the horses mouth. JJ runs 100 m in 11.6. Not shabby! I think we don’t get a chance to see him run as there is always players hanging onto him, some times 3.
@Greenman: Plenty? Just 3 according to my sources unless we playing some travelling UK sides. Affies, College and Grey Bloem. Boishaai would have been nice too :-)
@Greenman: Props are going to be greenhorn, hopefully some good ones in the 3rds/4ths in grade 11 or good ones in Under 16. Yes, Laubscher looks more like a loose-forward to me, athletic and quick. Although I heard JJ is actually 6th quickest in the team, not sure I believe that one…
@Greenman: Hahaha
@Greenman: yeah apologies you corrected it quick.
@odie15: Plenty of games still ahead in third quarter. Glenwood in for big ones so we will wait and see. Agree with grasshopper we should be no 1!!!!just joking
@odie15: see point 17
@Grasshopper: @Greenman: I believe we will end with Boishaai, GIM, Grey, Affies in that order for top 4. Numbers 5,6 and 7 will be of EG Jansen, Monnas, Glenwood and PRG. My prediction top 10 for the record today.
1. Boishaai
2. GIM
3. Grey
4. Affies
5. Glenwood
6. EG Jansen
7. Monnas
8. PRG
9. Oakdale
10. Boland Landbou
@Grasshopper: Laubscher and JJ both Pretoria boys! Played from under 14 together. Laubscher was a prop under 14 A and under 15 A. A year later Lock under 16 A. GK academy team and GK non traveling bench warmer. Reminds me of the Warren Whiteley.
The team next year could be including under 16 A putting their hands up:
Kruger(15) JC (11) …..(14) Conan le Fleur(13) Jonker(12) Morne van Rensburg(10) Jadin Jooste(9) Laubscher(my thinking)(8) ….(7) Jonas(6) JJ(5) Terblanche(4) …..(3) Schultze(2) ………(1). These are the 11 guys currently playing 1 st team. Jonker not but GK
A few CW players in there about 5 this year.
From what ive seen if think Affies and Grey would be my bet vs Paarl Gim
Top4 way ahead of rest in my eyes .
Well done to Boland Landou on a great game over the weekend.
I think Boland Landbou and Garsies should be much higher up. BL took Boishaai very close…
@Greenman: Paarl GIM have only lost to Garsfontein.
@Playa: You win. It all started with point 1 here so not going any further with this. We did better then 33 this year! No brag! Just great!
@Greenman: Bloody north! ;-)….you win some you lose some. Yeah, a saw it was 26-3 at half-time and the score didn’t change, very rare that. I was hoping we would double up on that score. Laubsher and JJ played together in the lower age groups didn’t they? I like the combo :-)
@Grasshopper: Truter might be going going north but Terblanche and Van Rensburg still there. Should come to the fore next year. We lost a great prop to the north in the year!
anybody watched the Westville- Glenwood game? Believe the first half was awesome for Glenwood and the second half awesome for the ref. The combo Laubscher and JJ as locks worked well.
@Greenman: Monnas you mean. Gim has only lost one.
Unfortunately, points scored whether scored in the first 10 minutes or in the last 2 seconds, they are recorded on the scoreboard. There’s no disclaimer colomumn next to the PF and PA columns.
@Grasshopper: Not a rare occurrence in a league system to have a team that spanked another below the team they spanked. A flaw that has been argued to death about SBR rankings is that it’s not a league, as schools don’t all play each other. It’s all based on perceived strength. What you need to question if you take rankings seriously is the perceived strength those ‘rankers’ give to the opposition Dale beat vs the one Glenwood has beaten. You wont hear any Dalian/supporter jumping up and down for being ranked above Glenwood…we all know that matters not because we got spanked. Those are your bragging rights
@Greenman: Yep, for sure. Add O’Neill and Le Fleur to that spine I mentioned and we will have another good team in 2017.
@BuffelsCM: sorry, my bad! Paul Roos lost 3 times. My humble apologies
we still winners coming from 33 position in the rankings 2015.
@Grasshopper: That is about the size of our craven week except add JJ. we will see. The boys north are bigger then all the boys in the other provinces but can they move?
@Greenman: My gut feel (no stats involved) would say we are about 6th and if we beat College and lose to Affies and Grey by small margins we should end up about 10th. Bloody good considering we were 30 something last year..
@Greenman: Don’t get me wrong, there were some really talented youngsters in the pack and 2017 should be a good year. Schwultz, Laubscher, Van der Mescht, Jooste, Conradie and Kruger will provide the spine. Worried about props though. Whatever happened to Truter, Terblanche and Van Rensburg from last years GK team?
@Grasshopper: Agree. Bad day at the away office. So we lost but with fewer points than Affies lost against Grey. I think Hooit (and a gave him the win) just wants to feel better. In that case, you can have 5 but can we keep 6 or must that go the EG jansen although we have beaten them.
@Greenman: Where did you hear that? Paarl Gim lost once this year
@Hooit: If I understand BHP’s calculations correct, the winner of the Monnas and EG game will have to win by 55+ points to overtake Glenwood at number 5. Tough ask for either team. But hey, this is schoolboy rugby, we’ve seen stranger things happen.
even Paarl Gim has lost 3 and drew one.WTF
@Greenman: Yeah, it was about 18-10 and half-time if I remember correctly. Honestly our forwards didn’t really have a chance without extra weight upfront. The scrum was in turbo reverse. I think a fairer score would have been about 33-15. We honestly didn’t have a chance in winning that game. Maybe if it was played today or in Durban the outcome might have been different. Without the ball our backs can’t do much. Big concern for me is quite a few of our forwards are the KZN forwards…..eish!
@Grasshopper: I would really like to have rankings but it must be based on something. It cant be the flavor of the month, surely
@Grasshopper: It was a close game with 15 min to go. Two opportunistic tries in the end. Bounce of ball. Come on, most of the Monnas parents agreed that the score does not truly reflect the outcome. One swallow makes the whole summer, that correct?
@Greenman: Some rankings have Dale above Glenwood, now that confuses me even more. Glenwood spanked Dale…
@Greenman: I think it was the manner in which Monnas beat Glenwood, it was a pakslae not a close game. Realistically Monnas is the better team..
@Hooit: You got me now. So Glenwood has lost ones this year and Monnas has lost 3 and drew one while EG Jansen has lost 3. That means that Glenwood needs to give up their space now! How or Awh as my brothers would say!
I wonder what the comments will be like should Glenwood win against Affies and Grey. I’ll be over the moon for glenwood that’s for sure
@Hooit: Do you mean Monnas vs EG Jansen for 5th spot?
As Glenwood will not be able to stay in 5th spot the Monnas vs Glenwood game will also be for 5th spot. As the rankings indicate the game is too close to call.