Craven Week 2014

DAY DATE TIME TEAM TEAM
1 14/07/2014 09h20 Limpopo Blue Bulls 25 19 Griquas CD
1 14/07/2014 10h40 EP CD 54 43 Zimbabwe
1 14/07/2014 12h00 Griffons 47 20 Border
1 14/07/2014 13h20 SWD 18 13 KwaZulu-Natal
1 14/07/2014 15h40 Western Province 33 32 Pumas
2 15/07/2014 10h10 Griquas 96 0 Border CD
2 15/07/2014 11h30 Leopards 53 13 Namibia
2 15/07/2014 12h50 Valke 30 26 Boland
2 15/07/2014 14h10 Eastern Province 26 25 Blue Bulls
2 15/07/2014 15h30 Free State 33 20 Golden Lions
3 16/07/2014 10h10 Griquas CD 26 20 Zimbabwe
3 16/07/2014 11h30 Border 78 17 Limpopo Blue Bulls
3 16/07/2014 12h50 Griffons 33 15 EP CD
3 16/07/2014 14h10 KwaZulu-Natal 38 27 Western Province
3 16/07/2014 15h30 SWD 38 23 Western Province
4 17/07/2014 10h10 Namibia 69 0 Border CD
4 17/07/2014 11h30 Griquas 38 27 Boland
4 17/07/2014 12h50 Leopards 26 20 Valke
4 17/07/2014 14h10 Blue Bulls 21 10 Golden Lions
4 17/07/2014 15h30 Eastern Province 19 5 Free State
5 19/07/2014 08h30 Golden Lions 39 24 Pumas
5 19/07/2014 08h30 Namibia 38 25 Zimbabwe
5 19/07/2014 08h30 Griquas CD 60 21 Border CD
5 19/07/2014 09h50 Western Province 37 29 Free State
5 19/07/2014 09h50 Border 55 26 Griquas
5 19/07/2014 09h50 Boland 56 24 Limpopo Blue Bulls
5 19/07/2014 11h10 Blue Bulls 36 15 KwaZulu-Natal
5 19/07/2014 11h10 Griffons 34 17 Leopards
5 19/07/2014 11h10 Valke 35 13 EP CN
5 19/07/2014 12h45 EASTERN PROVINCE

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266 Comments

  1. Testing out the way. Boys on the way to Middelburg. Big assignment on Monday and on what we have seen so far they should give a good account of themselves. All boys have a clean bill of health bar a couple of coughs.
    Taking our thermals along. :lol:

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  2. @Buffel: Weather should be fine for the whole week. Varying between 4 and 19 with clear skies and a slight breeze. Nothing to worry about.

    It will be cooler than what the KZN guys are used to. Good luck for the week. The fields may be a bit harder than those in KZN.

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  3. Kan nie glo hulle hou die week daar nie Daai skoolveld lyk soos n woestyn in die winter.Julle gaan sien hoe moan die ouens
    Hulle moes die week in Nelspruit aangebief het Die WP en Natal ouens gaan nie wil duik nie.Wie dit besluit het moet hulle koppe laat lees.

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  4. @MikeSt: 2012 se toernooi was in Nelson Mandela stadion gespeel.

    Nogal nie lekker om in so groot stadion sonder enige toeskouers te speel nie. Geriewe baie goed. Gees nie so goed nie.

    Kleiner pawiljoene sorg vir beter gees.

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  5. @Buffel: Rather gas masks as it is well known the the air in Middelburg and Witbank is of the most toxic in the world. You are not woken by the bird’s friendly whistling but by their coughing.

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  6. Although not a WP supporter I can’t see any province other than them winning the CW. From all the schools I saw this year WP seems to be the most talented in 2014. Massive forwards and extremely talented backs. I hope I am wrong. Go the Mighty and beloved Blue Bulls!!!!!!

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  7. WP will have to tough opening game against the hosts, and in Middelburg with the hole community next to the field… Wel ja manne, tougher begin kan jul nie voor vra nie…. My money still on WP, same reasons as woltrui.

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  8. My mond water bietjie vir nog n moontlike cheetahs vs bulls game in Dinsdag draw…

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  9. @slinger: To say WP’s opening game is going to be tough is an understatement. Die ma’s moet maar salf saamvat vir die grass burns etc :mrgreen:
    In sekere opsigte sal n harde opervlakte die WP se speel patroon dalk goed pas.

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  10. Middelburg/Witbank cannot be worse than Pretoria. I had no option but to go into the city centre recently and it reminded me of a scene from Mad Max. And that is just the visible impression. When you enter a building for a service of some sort, that is when the real nightmare begins and the real SA is experienced. The old folks in the eastern suburbs, are in fools paradise, but it does at least explain the misplaced and ill conceived comments from time to time

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  11. Ja href=”#comment-59983″>Woltrui: Ja, harde manne en harde veld. Ek stem met spel patroon, WP baie skiet goed agter. Die game gaan egter voor n klipharde robust vurige spulletjie wees. Nie te praat van die skare nie…

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  12. @MikeSt: Sal nie se dis hul beste span wat hul al CW toe gestuur het nie, maar weet een ding van kaapse spanne, as hul gaan hardloop gaan dit keer kos.

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  13. @mikest – you should rush all the grade 11 EG Jansen players of the field straight into a bus after each game and not allow them to go into town at all during the craven week…who knows who is lurking behind the corners to snap them up for next year…LOL

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  14. Winners day 1 if I go on whar I’ve seen this season:
    Limpopo BB
    EP CD
    Border
    KZN
    WP

    Day 2
    Griquas
    Leopards
    Valke
    EP (just to stir)
    Lions

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  15. @slinger: My picks for day 1.
    Limpopo
    EP cd
    Griffons(didn’t the St Andrews players with draw from the Border team?)
    Charkies
    Mountain Goats(although I am praying since Wednesday evening for a Pumas upset :mrgreen:
    Day 2
    Griekwas
    Luipaarde
    Valke
    Blue Bulls(asb asb asb asb….)
    Lions(The Lions Cheetahs could be the match of round 1. Basically a Grey/Louis Botha vs Monnas/Florida match up. Think the Lions will have the edge in the tight fases. Cheetahs the stronger backline)

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  16. I see people talking only about WP, have they forgotten that KZN is also taking part :mrgreen: I’ve got a feeling that we (kzn) will not be disappointed this year.

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  17. @burra: The dynamics are excellent in the side . At least they play at 1 so it should be the warmest part of the day. SWD are going to be a tough nut to crack but I have a feeling that we will prevail.

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  18. @Buffel: Must be a bit cooler than what the KZN boys are used and the fields a bit harder , all the better for some great running rugby.
    KZN pace front and back working as 1 , Never thought I would say this but , can not wait to get to Middelburg.

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  19. Province has some really exciting backs this year, but will only be effective if their 880kg+ pack can compete in the scrums, the 5 nominated ball carriers (combined 580Kg+) get them over the AL and their 2 main sources of line out ball (4m) can secure clean ball. The juggernaut maul will also need to click early. Many arrows in the quiver, hope to see at least one game where they all come together.

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  20. Thanks Buffel , appreciate your looking after him – Amazing how boys from different schools gel together so quickly under their provincial banner.

    Thanks again

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  21. @Ploegskaar: WP look like the team to beat , great results in all the other weeks and a potent looking CW side.

    Hopefully KZN get to test their skills against them on day 2, must focus on the SWD fixture on day 1, win and then get the opportunity to go up against the WP if they win their fixture against the Pumas.

    Good luck to all and may there be NO serious injuries , just lekker clean SBR rugby,

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  22. @GREENMASJIEN: A strong side with a few future stars, but combinations and how they gel will be key. All the best to all, holding thumbs for a game against KZN and one of the Bulls or Greystaat, and no serious injuries.

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  23. Het vandag die Wp span gesien en daar is regtig n paar groot manne in die span, ek glo nie daar gaan verrassings die komende week wees nie . Die leeus doen altyd goed op die CW, maar die jaar is die WP sekerlik die gunstelinge. die bulle het n opdraende stryd met hulle ligte pak en hulle agterlyn gaan nie so goed doen met die bal op die agtervoet nie. Die nie-amptelike einstryd behoort tussen WP EN SWD/SHARKS wees.

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  24. Ek dink die SWD gaan baie moeilike opponente wees op die week. Ek dink dit sal ‘n WP/SWD final wees. Hulle het alreeds gelykop gespeel in ‘n baie harde game by die Suide Bonde toernooi. Nogal sad as ‘n unie die week kan aanbied en dit op substandaard velde hou. SWD het baie spoed agter, miskien sal die harde velde ons bevoordeel.

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  25. Is the MHS hooker good to play at CW,last time I checked (which was some time ago) he was out,is he fit to play?

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  26. @Woltrui: Nooit ooit ooit sê jy !!,………. nou maar goed kom ons kyk dan maar wat die week gaan gebeur. My geld op WP en SWD as ‘n backup bet!

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  27. @Rugbyman: Ja daar is so n paar van hulle wat weg gaan sonder enige issues en / of bakleiery omdat hulle op n ordentlike manier die pad vat na die Beeld.

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  28. The first game has ended with Limpopo beating Griquas CD 25-19. The Ben Vorster LH prop Modot Mabokela was the star attraction, not so much for his scrumming but in the loose he proved to be an outstanding ball-carrier and was a big difference maker in the end. The game was a bit scrappy but at least the scoreboard kept ticking over.

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  29. Okay just an amazing game completed now. I though Zimbabwe would lose by 100 points at one stage. EPCD had a huge 32-3 lead midway through the second half. ZIm fought back. High scoring game which ended 54-43

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  30. So far a very exciting game on the go between Border and Griffons. 14-6 the Griffons lead. Border has let themselves down on D to let in both tries.

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  31. Eish. Border has imploded. Non-existent defence and quite frankly a team that just does not look enthusiastic about the opportunity to play at Craven Week. Griffons have done the basics well and taken their chances which they might me a little surprised that things have come their way this easily – they sell dummies and brush off tackles with ease.

    Halftime and already 42-6 to Griffons.

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  32. @beet: The Griffons? From which region/Franchise are they from? Are there schools there which play rugby? Perhaps Playa will give us a detailed account of the match. Certainly one of the games I was looking forward to, and for more than one reason.” Purple Rain, Purple Rain”— How does that song go?

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  33. @BOG: Hahahahaha! I haven’t checked the game. Looking at what happened in the Zim-EPCD game, I’d be very careful no to count my chickens if I were you.

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  34. Disaster for Border. They looked like their own worst enemies for much of the first half. Griffons showed good variation at times and good execution. A major difference was the cohesion between the two teams.

    Final score 47-20

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  35. @BOG: Ha ha. The Griffons is the true Central region of SA! If you take the halfway point between Beit Bridge and Cape Town, the metropolis of Welkom is the closest to being in the centre!

    They have a few schools that happen to know what to do with an oval ball. I believe they might even find the pitches in Middelburg on the soft side!

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  36. @kosie: Well spoken Kosie the pitches are way to soft for them.

    They have some quality guys coming from there very physical.

    Remember a guy from there Eric Herbert that could kick a ball like no one else.

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  37. The poor tackling and passing by Kzn scrumhalf putting them under pressure . Nearly as frustrating as the broken TV coverage.

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  38. @kosie: I fully agree and their performance comes as no surprize. They would describe those conditions as “soft under foot”. Anyway, its gone a long way to support what I have been saying about SBR in that region.

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  39. No chance Coetzee should have been sent off and the pass for the Joubert try was marginally forward…

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  40. KZN dominated the scrums & had a far better backline, three that game away properly!

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  41. @Grasshopper: The pass was clear and obvious to me. Not even sure why it went upstairs – ref should have caught it. KZN – very disappointing. Too many basic errors, bad options and poor execution.

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  42. @GreenBlooded: I actually thought we were better than SWD in just about all aspects except somehow on the scoreboard but you are right those basic errors caused our downfall.

    Our scrumming was especially good.

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  43. @GreenBlooded: And I agree there was one very poor decision not to go wide when a try was on after a good carry by either Chidoma or Ndlovu got us to virtually under the posts.

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  44. @Grasshopper: If Coetzee was penalised in the red zone for playing the ball then a yellow card was the correct call. The question was did he release the player clearly before playing the ball? I think the ref got this right. Forward pass was clear. I was a bit perplexed by the ref not allowing the SWD try because he signalled a penalty instead of a free kick. Called them back for the free kick???? If they went for touch or for poles that would be a problem but they tapped and scored. SWD defence in the backs was poor but they have a few game breakers who made a difference. That 12 is really good and I think Blewett showed some great stuff. Thought we kicked at the wrong times. Turnover ball and we kicked? Joubert has some pace. Not sure what he did when he took it into touch from the long clearance kick. Good player though. Is this SWD side better than we think?????

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  45. All in all, not the greatest result by KZN. We looked powerful in many areas, but not very clinical and a few guys who think passing is not an option!

    In the second game, we need more front foot ball off the lineouts – which were going well. Get Coetzee and Mcmillian running off the lineouts, they are great, natural runners, if they are not getting the ball in theirs hands off first phase ball, it is a waste.

    Coetzee yellow very marginal and could just as easlit been a penalty to KZN. Number 13 looks like a solid runner and Tedder hdad some nice moements

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  46. @Phat55: Tedder was fine, made some good breaks. The only issue was perhaps taking on too much at times, sometimes you need to look for support and get the ball moving down the line, but he looked very dangerous

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  47. @All Black: That one blew my mind!! I cannot believe there wasn’t a riot?? What is the difference between a short arm and a long arm in that situation – other than the angle of the referees arm? Ridiculous. I also think he was too quick to go to the whistle at the breakdown instead of just letting the game breathe.

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  48. I’m so hurt by this 47-20. I’m at work didn’t watch the game. How can we lose by this much to Griffons?? How can u play a 12 on 9? What the hell is happening with the Border Rugby Union? What was the Queens 13 doing at 13? Why so many Grens forwards in the team who got dismantled by the Selborne pack? Hayi!

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  49. @phat55:
    Tedder played alright. As did the 13, from Hilton I think.

    Glenwood 8 had a mare. Couldn’t catch a thing and got carded for cynical play.

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  50. @John Single Malt: Jeez, what game were you watching, Coetzee made three or four steals, broke the line a few times. He knocked one on in the first 3 mins and should not have been given a yellow card. He is a very talented player, it’s obvious to everyone, just because he is from Glenwood you don’t need to knock him….

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  51. @John Single Malt: A bit harsh on Coetzee, the number8. He tried his best and you can see his potential, in terms of his strength etc and if he did not give away the yellow card, SWD would probably have scored.

    I have said this before about Coetzee and I will say it again, the boy is a Flank Forward and not an 8 – he is not a link player, he just is not. He plays towards the ball and does not have the appreciation of the role of a link man.

    Mark my words, he will become and excellant Loose Forward, his skills on the ground are fantastic

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  52. @CHS08: A week before the Academy tournament, the starting pack scrummed and did line outs against this CW side. The Academy pack with 5 Selborne, 1 Camb, and 2 Dale boys out scrummed the CW side, took all their own line out balls and half the CW sides balls. This comes straight from the Academy Coach. Apparently the CW coach was jumping up and down and swearing. I really feel for the boys who worked hard and deserve to be there. Last week at the Academy tournament I had a chat with the Cambridge no.8 and I really feel for him. He deserves to be in the CW side on merit.

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  53. @RBugger: I agree with you, flank is his position. If he was going to KZN he would have combined with Schramm to create a very good loose trio…

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  54. @GCollege86: Ofcourse the 8 should be on the Craven Week side. Him and Jason Steyn are the best 8th men in the Border. Border is irritating me really. What’s left me more perplexed is a Dale 12 playing scrumhalf for the Craven Week side. I mean really???

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  55. @Grasshopper: For sure, I was really hoping that the Sharks would sign Coetzee. All the signs are there that he will become a great player and I owuld have him in my side anyday.

    As you say, they would have linked well – throw in Du Preez and you have an almighty back row.

    Anyway, our loss is the Province gain – just hope they play him at flank and not 8

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  56. @Grassy: ya for sure, he is a big, powerfully built boy! Just want him to get hands on ball in the next game and get the Sharks moving forward

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  57. IMHO Coetzee plays very loose and hence we need extra numbers at the breakdown. SWD 7 had a field day as we didn’t have the cleaners at ruck time. It is one thing to play attacking, wide rugby but you need to protect possession. I think there are still some strong candidates for SA Schools. Coetzee, Joubert and maybe Blewett. Front row didn’t do themselves any harm either. Have heard the WP 8 is good and you have the Affies 15 in the Bulls side so strong opposition.

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  58. If the school ranking system, the one of BHP which is so often is discussed here, is taken seriously and considered reliable, then the score between the Griffons and Border is just about right. Not sure what the surprize is about?

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  59. @Grasshopper: The score should have been higher for SWD, very bad referee to not allow the de Necker try, and then calls them back to start again. SWD did not perform to expectation , but we’ll take the win.

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  60. @All Black: The SWD side did not have a good day at the office, this is a hugely talented squad,…keep on watching,.. the coach is a very competent tactition.

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  61. Border got creamed six love…is that the best morgan steyn can come up with..I though he was supposed to be the real deal like Pollard..get what I’m saying… :)

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  62. I hope the baby bulletjies can dish out some great running rugby on Tuesday…unlike last year :-| ..obviously I’m only watching because of Eduan”Rolls Royce” Keyter :mrgreen: …don’t care about the rest of the players honestly. :)

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  63. @Predator: well Outeniqua did beat Glenwood, KZN’s strongest side and didn’t Oakdale beat Outeniqua? Maybe it was a fair reflection of the competitive strengths. Although the KZN backline is seriously good and quick, they hardly saw the ball. Mukendi has scored many tries this season. Joubert too is like Willie Le Roux, KZN need to get it to him quickly and he’ll create something for sure….if KZN had play in the backs more it might have been different. Certainly KZN weak in the line outs and Eduard Zandberg was the difference there…great player, SA Schools for sure…

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  64. There’s one thing I’ve learnt after watching a few games today..a lot of schoolboys can’t tackle..where is the defense?!?! :-?

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  65. After seeing the Border academy team play last week (and beat my Limpopo team). There was better players at academy week than what I saw today. The academy team will demolish the forwards of the cravenweek team. I guess all provinces have this selection issues because there are a few of my limpopo academy week team that I believe should be in the cravenweek team. I also think that the kzn 10 and 12 of aw would have done just as good if not better than the cw players.

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  66. Kyk vandag se games en moet se dat daar n paar manne met groot name na die Cw toe gekom het wat n bietjie oorgewig en onfiks is, het niemand vir die manne gese dat jy nie op naam in die SA groep kom nie. Nugter weet hoekom die 6,8 van wp akademie nie op die CW is nie manne ek dink julle kan na vandag se spel baie ongelukkig voel. Die 10 van die pumas het n goeie wedstryd gehad hou so vol. Gelukkig is daar n paar spanne more en ek hoop julle lyk en speel beter manne. Archie stem saam met jou oor die 10 en 12.

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  67. Heard rumours that the 12 from Border is on his way to paarl boishaai next year… seems like the grant khomo isnt the only hunting ground…. :mrgreen:

    Also a prominent no.8 on his way to PRG…

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  68. @Muzi: There is only one Rolls Royce of fullbacks – Andre Joubert. Try another car! :lol:

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  69. Some of the refereeing not up to scratch. Heard Andre Watson is now doing his rounds at all the unions as a result of Jannie and Bismarck, Victor etc. who took on the referees.

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  70. @Djou: agreed, the young man will have a lot of hard work to do before he can ever be mentioned in the same light as Mr Joubert.

    But, he is certainly a Porsche 911 Turbo :-D

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  71. @Djou: jannie, bismarck en jaco peyper was saam op skool… ek vermoed hulle ken mekaar baie beter as wat ons dink… dus sal hulle so met hom praat….

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  72. @Rugbyman: Jy is darem vroeg met hierdie brokkie wysheid? Jou belangstelling in die O18 CW verbaas my. Ek het gedink die O19 toernooi, met die oog op volgende jaar, sal meer in jou toekomsplanne pas? :lol:

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  73. @BOG: issit…?

    Eks oppad middelburg toe om bietjie goeie rugby te gaan kyk… besides, as jy nou jou somme kan maak sal jy besef dat as n laaitie hierdie jaar reeds o19 is maak dit hom o20 volgende jaar en selfs vir ons is dit te oud…

    Gelukkig verstaan ons dat jy net wielie-walie wiskunde het…

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  74. @Rugbyman: Stuur groete aan Mannetjies Roux. Se vir hom die oom Bietjie seer en sal nie kan deur ry vandag nie en ou Shirley stuur soentjies. Dan se vir mr Keyter hy moet hom net enjoy.

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  75. @Rugbyman: Ongelukkig was dit nie Jaco Peyper met wie Jannie en Bismarck so gepraat het nie. Dit was Lourens van der Merwe. En Lourens het onderwyser by Grey geword nadat hulle al uit die skool was.

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  76. @Archie:
    Thought KZN 12 was one dimensional. Despite a great try saving tackle, not too much other than the ordinary.

    No 8 seemed to waft around and not do too much. He needs to get really involved, if he wants a shout at SA Schools. He tended to be very defensive, so a couple runs made him look ok, but he really must look for the attack work.

    No 15 was good today, but again had little opportunity to show his flair. His run to score was typical of him, and he needs to enter the back like more to make a difference, i.e.: 10 skip to 13 and 15 on his inside?

    No 2 was a work horse today; and so was no 7. They were working hard.

    The ref allowed their 6 and 7 were allowed to get away with murder at the ruck ball; but we should have remedied that as soon as we realized it. We we too late, and they turned over way too much ball.

    Hall struggled today, and was not his usual self. Big stage, lots of pressure. A great sniping run which he should have done more off, especially with the great scrum ball he was getting. It relieves focus on 10,12,13 and asks questions of their fringes. Sure he will bounce back, however if Kwazi has a cracker, he may not start :(

    Tight five were good today, in set phases but the loose phases, they just did not dominate; and we always seemed to be waiting for them to have a go.

    No 10 was good. Having watched the full reply last night not much wrong, only blemish was a silly kick-off not going 10m, otherwise good breaks, offloads, and defensive 100%. He seemed to not use his tactical boots as much but saw the SWD back three were very defensive. My advice, No 8, No 7 must be No10’s inside options off phase ball, even line outs. Without having Khubeka and Fisher type centers, the 10 needs to ask questions and create kinks in their defenses by using the bigger boys bashing and running inside lines.

    Miss is as good as a mile, though, unlikely second chance in CW, so it again falls back to character searching and seeing whether these guys have tenacity to pick it up :evil:

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  77. @Rugbyman: Mooi, geniet dit. Neem aan jy soek talent vir volgende jaar se O16 span? After all, jy is mos op Binnelandse Sake se drumpel

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  78. @kcob: I tend to agree with you. However, Jaco had a few chances if others had passed. One right in front of the line and no one would have stopped him. If only we had an x-factor lock like Zandberg, that would change things quite a bit….

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  79. @kcob: Great analysis of the KZN teams game and the do’s and don’ts .

    I agree with you on that.

    What was obvious for me on day 1 was there was a lot of individual play instead of sticking to patterns and structures.

    Looking forward to a great day of Day 2 rugby though.

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  80. @KCOB: Agree on all fronts really – the key word being, you have to look for work.

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  81. Geez! Griquas leads the Border CD 63-0 after 45min. I really feel for these Border boys. This cannot be fun at all. Annual whipping boys at the expense of fulfilling some sort of delusional political objective. The Eastern Cape is well serviced at Craven Week by it’s existing 3 teams. This Border CD should be given the opportunity to compete on a more even footing at Academy Week and if there is a star amongst them they can be invited to SA Schools trials. Rather allow a second WP team to participate at Craven Week where they could give teams a run for their money.

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  82. @Beet: 100% – what is the point, you will probably end up ruining these youngsters love for the game instead of encouraging them.

    They should be at Academy Week – not CW

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  83. In spite of the concerns raised above and on the blog I still think the KZN no.8 Coetzee the best no.8 on display. Oozes talent and IMHO still the player for SA Schools.

    Also thought what a pity the SWD frontrow struggled in the scrums or the SWD TH De Necker would have been the talk of the town. He is a wonderful carrier of the ball in tight spaces.

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  84. Hats off to the guys in Middelburg for making the lines red today. Now they show up on TV

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  85. How many times have we commented on this for the last couple of years during CW. I sometimes think our rugby administrators are oblivous to the real issues they need to deal with. It is not development to humiliate a team at a showpiece rugby week like this…it detracts more and is more harmfull than anything else.

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  86. @beet: @BoishaaiPa: I read elsewhere that there was absolute confusion with the scheduling of the first match yesterday and the one, today. I believe that this is a repeat of what happened either last year or a few years ago. The Border CD consists largely of players from the old Transkei region and out of 30 matches or so, they have had only 3 wins, all against “invitational” sides

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  87. @beet: its a real pity Devon Henson is injured – SA Schools number 8 jumper was a straight shoot out between him and the Glenwood chappie

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  88. Geez Valke lock Hendre Stassen was the best player at the Kearsney Easter Rugby Festival and now he looks like he’s the best player at Craven Week and he’s still only u17 8-O

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  89. @Beet: I have heard nothing but Rave reviews about Stassen. He was invited to a Sharks Training/Testing practice and did incredibly, especially considering his age – one to watch.

    @Roger: Henson was the one player I was really wanting to watch and would have been my 8 – Coetzee at 6 – 7… I have not seen anyone put there hand up yet, expected a bit more of one of the Province players

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  90. Well done Falcons. Very good game. Morne Stassen was praised by the commentators. Putting his hand up for SA schools selection at Grade 11

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  91. @RBugger: Jy was duidelik nie by die akadenie week gewees nie, daardie span sou net so daar verloor het jy praat asof die akadenie week agterlik is kry jou feite ek het nou altwee bygewoon en die 2 dae met FS uitgesluit sou daardie akademie spanne baie van die CWspanne geklop het.

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  92. @Kwartlyn: ek verstaan :-D this is what happens in school boy rugby. Often mistakes are made. Trust me, I know a few Academy Week players who excelled after school

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  93. Verbeel ek my of is die skeidsregter beslissings baie swak. Dis jammer want die tellings is so naby dat die uitslag nie kan bepaal word deur ‘n swak skeidregter nie. Daar was tot dusver uiters omsrede beslissings wat dalk die games se uitkoms kon verander het. Andre Watson sal beslis moet hard praat, ek sal dit nie goed kan hanteer as SWD in die Finaal moet verloor agv.
    ‘n verkeerde beslissing nie.

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  94. @BuffelsCM: Hy het nog nie die CW formaat so lekker onder die knie nie!..

    Today I only watched the last 3 games. Valke 9, 10 and 5 impressed…EP’s Bosch and Vers as expected did well. My man of the day was De Wet Bezuidenhout from Cheetahs…hard worker and great poacher!!..What worries me is that there is no hooker that really stood out over the last two days…Good locks, great fullbacks, but no centres that dominated.

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  95. @BuffelsCM: Ek dink nie die hekkie is klein nie,maar ons kan met ‘n weldeurdagte gameplan die wa deur trek,..of oor die hekkie spring. Die head coach Robert Seconds is ‘n baie uitgeslape man met goeie planne, My geld is op hom om SWD final toe te vat.

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  96. @BoishaaiPa: Nadat jy dit verduidelik het het ek notas gevat in die klas. Nou sal ek maar sien wat by die tweede rondte
    gebeur. Die sogenaamde groot kanonne kry bietjie pakslae en is nie so hot soos hulle skryf nie. Groot pakke forwards wat net kan storm en niks meer nie, maar dit pas die spanne wat die bal rondgooi en gapings soek, Die spanne met die ekstra dimensie waarna Rassie verwys het doen baie goed. Die SWD moet nog daai dimensie ook loslaat.

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  97. @OudUppie: Daai loskakel van OP het die WP ook ‘n les geleer by die Suidebonde toernooi, toe het hy heelagter gespeel. Briljante blikskottel wat die manne se gameplan uitmekaar geskeur het. Goeie voorgevoel,.. goeie voet,…goeie spoed en kalm onder druk,…goeie keuse vir SA span.

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  98. @Tjoppa: Ja, vir julle klomp met oopgevlegde rou senuwees, is bykans enige vraag, “kak”. Vat maar n Prozakkie of twee en gaan kyk netbal

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  99. @Tjoppa: Wont be playing this year, but fortunatly contracted by WP so he will be back in the u/19 mix next year and hopefully get the chance to play for spot in the SA u/20 squad.

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  100. @Predator: More sal OP teen OVS speel in die hoofgame en die wenner van hulle twee sal die wenner van WP vs SWD Saterdag pak in die hoofgame…Dis hoe ek dit sien. Leeus en Bulle sal mekaar seker in die ander game aanvat. maar ek vermoed die Valke kan dalk een van die twee spanne ook kry. As Pumas vandag goed wen, kan hulle dalk net die hoofgame kry Saterdag as tuisbond omrede hulle net met punt verloor het teen WP….Maar logika se dit is WP, SWD, OP en OVS wat dit uitspook vir die twee final plekke.

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  101. @jakes: Soos ek gehoor het volgens die uitsending, was dit Hendre Stassen.

    Waarom klink dit soooooooo baie soos afguns van jou kant af.

    Soos reeds vooreheen gesê, as ‘n speler goed is, gee hom sy eer.

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  102. Manne

    Die games wat die week sover gespeel is, kan gesien word daar in wel talent in ons land. Ek glo dit moet beskerm word.

    Die spelers moet regtig geprys word.

    Die speler van die Craven Week, is die BOKKE van die toekoms!!!!!!!!!!

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  103. This Pumas side looks poor. Have they been caught having to play all their reserves on the 2nd day? They don’t look like they want to tackle at all.

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  104. Well I do agree with you @All Black, I think KZN have also rasied their intensity.

    Joubert is having a blinder and Coetzee is already far busier, looking the part, just hope his shoulder is ok – always seems to get niggles, which is a shame.

    As a Unit, very impressed with the pack

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  105. @RBugger: Yep, only one side arrived today. Jonas is getting backline away very well. Much sharper play all around. Maybe Pumas played their ‘final’ against WP. Griffons were impressive.

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  106. Joubert is a great attacking prospect. Putting his hand up big time for SA schools selection. Jonas has been better than Tedder was yesterday IMO, really getting this backline moving at last. Still can’t see the hype around Coetzee? Very good with ball in hand but makes too many mistakes. Especially handling. Rest of the forward pack has been very good today especially Percy #16. Smith at 12 has looked a shadow of the player he’s been for Westville this season.

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  107. @RBW1863: With regards to Coetzee, his hands are not his strength at all, that is one of the reasons I say he should not be an 8 – he is not a naturally gifted ball player.

    However, he must be up there with the best poachers in SBR, he is strong and makes ground on attack, makes his tackles and really is fantastic on the floor. He is a very very good player, make no mistake about that. I just feel you will seee him moving to the side of the scrum next year.

    Joubert was impressive today and had a blinder – well done to him.

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  108. @rbw1863 : I have to agree re Smith. He hasn’t been bad, but he’s not shown the form he’s had this season. Don’t agree with Coetzee. The boy has been leading from the front since Day 1, the mistakes he does, he makes up for it. Morne really put his hand up today, and I believe he should make SA Schools. Overall it was a good game from the KZN side. Forwards and Backline worked hand in hand to get this win

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  109. I was impressed by the Kearsney lock, forget his name. Good work around the park, him and Du Randt played well together. Also impressed with the front row…

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  110. Excellent performance by the KZN boys. Coetzee and Joubert will definitely be in the Green Squad 50 for SA Schools trials now.

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  111. I heard they might not pick a SA Schools team this year due to lack of talent

    I agree

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  112. @Andre T: hahahahahahaha. I do feel the level is a bit lower this year, certainly not as many talented players as years gone by.

    @Beet: Yip, both have put their hands up – I think there may be one or two more though from KZN – The front row boys are looking hot as is McMillan

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  113. @BoishaaiPa: Ons kon toe darem die knoop daarhaak. Ek moet erken dat ek nog steeds glo dat die WP meer talent in die span het. Die desperaatheid aan die einde het julle die game gekos, te veel stupid foute. Hoop ons kry die Vrystaat in die final, dit behoort ook ‘n monster game te wees.

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  114. @Andre T: Moet nie jou ore uitleen aan praatjies nie, kom ek verseker jou daar sal n span gekies word, die seuns wat op die Cw/Akademiese week bygewoon het staan almal kans om in die span te wees, verder wil ek jou net meedeel dat daar hope talent is kyk die rugby moet dit nie net blog nie. Met die huidige spelers kan daar n ordendelike Akademiese en SA spanne gekies word

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  115. Patat- huh?? Verstaan jou nou nie lekker nie. Lees weer my comment. Ek het bedoel hy het goed gespeel en is geloof deur die kommentators

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  116. @jakes: Duhhhhhh

    As jy dalk die Speler se naam reg het sal almal kan verstaan.

    Morne se broer HENDRE het goed gespeel.

    Ek stem saam.

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  117. @RBugger: I don’t think there is less talent, just a few less standout forwards. Also, I think the boys are tired and over played. Some of the boys are playing their 20th game of the season. I think the EG Jansen boys are on maybe more games.

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  118. @Grasshopper: Agree is think its been a very long season for a lot of the boys and the intensity of the season has also been taking a lot out of them.

    If you take the pre season games, normal school games, festivals, Cravenweek friendlies, training camps and now the tournament think its to much rugby for the youngsters.

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  119. @rbw1863: the boys played with more intensity today and did their jobs at breakdowns. Tedder would certainly got the back line moving just like Jonas did. The guys were so flat on Monday Jonas would not have made a difference. Tedder would have thrived in the save and pressure applied by the intensity provided by the players. Don’t think it fair at all to say he played better than Tedder; two completely diff matches and opposition.

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  120. If they are choosing 50 players then Joubert, Coetzee, Jonas, Tedder etc should all get in. Have not seen too many other players who stand out from any team. Bosch from EP is special and the hooker from SWD. Otherwise this has not been the oversupply of talent that we are used to at CW.

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  121. @KCOB: Correct, as they say, you can only play how the opposition allow you to play. I had another look at the game last night, and although KZN were good, the Pumas were also terrible. They probably played their best team against WP, as they looked quite weak yesterday.

    ANybody who knows a bit about rugby will tell you, when your team dominates at the breakdown and the forwards are moving forward, it makes the flyhalf’s job a lot easier. Against SWD, Tedder did not have that tyoe of ball – but still did a great job, he just needed more options on his inside and outside, the loosies let him down a bit in that regard.

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  122. @kcob: Agreed, different games and Hall was not on song maybe affecting Tedder’s game. Tedder did nothing wrong just nothing flashy or brilliant either. The Glenwood halfbacks seemed to gel better and get things going, again could have been due to the Puma’s having a weaker defence. I think Tedder and Jonas are very different types of players, they both might get a look in for higher honours. It’s a tough one when a kid is talented in a few sports, they sometimes need to concentrate on one. Look at Andile Phekelekwayo at Glenwood, SA Schools cricket & hockey….he will need to choose soon, maybe Tristan will choose cricket……who knows…you may have the inside knowledge…

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  123. I agree with @All Black – I have already stated, the talent in this years CW, or competition for positions, is not as intense as before hand.

    I mean, if you have a look, how many standout loosies are there? Stand out locks, stand out props?? Coetzee at 8, maybe Abrahams at 8, Bosch, but will have to back it up today, Tedder…

    I just do not see many players stamping their authority on the week and really making people sit up and take notice – just my oponion

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  124. If the KZN boys had played with the same intensity on day 1 I think it would have been a different result. They were very nervous and it showed in their play. We were murdered on the ground and that stopped our momentum . When we did have an opportunity to score we made a hash of it. All in all it was a game that we left at least 15 point on the field . As far as yesterday’s game goes, it was back to the usual and it showed on the scoreboard early on. It is going to be interesting who we play on Saturday as there are a number of permutations. The Bulls,if they win and that goes for the Lions as well. E.P. if they lose and so too Free State. Then there is Province or the Falke. Very exciting. This could end on a satisfactory note should we prevail on Saturday-one of the better results in recent times.

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  125. @Grassy: For sure, but it is not a new thing, this has been happening for the last 3 years or so.

    I just think 2012 and 2013 were exceptional years with talent all over the place. All I am saying, is that man on man, position for position, the depth is not as intense as before.

    In other years, there could be great debate on who should make SA Schools in certain positions, as where this year, especially in certain positions, it seeems pretty clear – you know what I mean?

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  126. @Grassy: I do not know KCOB from a bra of soap – the only guy I have ever known on this site, was Ruggersake, the rest, all foreign to me

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  127. Some of the lesser known flyhalves have produced the best performances at Craven Week so far. Joubert Muller, Forrest Roos, Gerco Nortjie and yesterday Curtis Jonas. Things have changed a lot in recent years. Nowadays the selectors have a much better idea of who the best player in the country are ahead of CW and the trials for 50 players on 26 July helps a lot to test and select the right players. Imagine this was 5 or so years ago and the SA Schools team was based on solely CW performances and announced immediately after the final, some of this boys mentioned above would have put themselves in a strong position to be selected.

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  128. @Buffel: The KZN game 2 performance was outstanding. An important factor was that 10 players were from the same high ranking school team which I believe showed in the understanding and execution. I think its an accepted fact that most of the SA top schools would outperform the Craven Week teams for various reasons. As an incentive to enhance strength vs strength regional school rugby competition and at the same time level the playing fields at CW, perhaps there should be a rule limiting the maximum number of representatives from one school. 7 to me sounds like a good number. So in a region like Free State it where the u18 team consists of just 2 schools presently, the union would be forced to find 8 players from the other schools in the region which in turn would up the profile of these other schools and improve the regional competition. Just an opinion

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  129. something to think about. The teams that have played to a structure and as a ‘team’ have produced the results. Free state and EP seemed to have the best structure from what has been seen so far with SWD and the Griffons not far behind. Border revel in open play normally so this CW they actually look good. WP and the KZN side from Monday looked like individuals playing in a trials game. Still think that the better half of the draw is playing today. EP and Free state are my 1 and 2 but SWD have a strong team ethic going. Could be the surprise team of the week but will battle to beat Free state who ‘should’ beat EP. Lets se how wrong these predictions are. Upsets are great. :mrgreen:

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  130. @All Black: When I did a personal run through the players that impressed me, I definitely came up with a longer list of players on Day 2 than on Day 1. Border being smoked by the Griffons on Day 1 did not help I guess.

    Finding standout props has not been that easy. The expert eye of scrum specialist selectors will have to be called on.

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  131. @beet: Three schools Beet. The replacement FH, De Lange is from Sentraal. And despite the dominance of GCB, the competition of the local schools, is at least at the same level as that in KZN, Border and some other regions. What I am saying, had GCB been in those regions, it would not have been less dominant than in the FS

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  132. @beet: Your suggestion that a cap be placed on the number of CW reps per school is an interesting point. It will definetely help to combat aggressive recruiting in every possible position as schools will know that new recruits may not fit the bill come CW. It would spread the talent.

    On the other hand I think it would be unfair as the best possible players should play CW. If they are all concentrated in one school then so be it. The natural concentration of talent somehow finds its way to the same schools year in and year out. Every now and then a school tries to change the natural flow of players. This is when the rest cry foul!

    Somehow I doubt the cap on a number per school would have the backing of the majority of schools and the Unions.

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  133. @BOG: I drove through Bloem last week, wow not much choice on the school front. Looks like St Andrews and Grey Bloem really…..the others must be hidden behind the Koppies….

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  134. @beet: Yes. That strange breed of rugby player/coach who get involved in the front row will need to be at their best at this CW. You will see them huddled together in the corner of the room speaking a totally different language to the rest of us. I see some surprises in selections for SA as some of the lesser known players will get the nod. The Griffons pack of forwards impressed me. Their front row and the SWD hooker were impressive. Still think Grey PE and Grey Bloem will supply the most reps at the end of the day and they are in the same pool, unfortunately.

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  135. @BOG: Good point BOG. GCB already play the top schools in most of the regions (WP, Border, EP, KZN & Noordvaal – Lions & Bulls) and win more than they lose to those schools. No doubt that they would do the same in any of the smaller regions they do not play in. Very easy to say FS rugby outside of GCB is weak without considering that point.

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  136. @All Black: That should be a cracker of a game. I am packing my stuff at 3pm to go and watch that one. I hear EP current group (players have obviously changed since then) hasn’t lost a game at CW/GKW; i.e. they were unbeaten as under 13s five years agoat the U13 CW & again 2 years ago at the U16 GKW. I haven’t confirmed this as fact. What a game to be given to hold on to that record.

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  137. @BOG: Sjoe Bog. One of my favourite to watch GCB players Dwayne Wessels injured to make that 3rd school involvement possible.

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  138. @beet: Beet know people are going to kill me but if I must pick a team only from what I have seen during this tournament, and agree some played against weaker opponents than other etc etc etc.
    1 Mabokeka (BBL)
    2 L Baard (SWD)
    3 S Bhaser (Zim)
    4 J Wiese (GCD)
    5 E Knoetze (Griff)
    6 J Meintjes (BB)
    7 A Heunis (SWD)
    8 J Coetzee (KZN)
    9 S Cupido (OVS)
    10 M Steyn (Border)
    11 S Fillies (SWD)
    12 JT Jackson (SWD)
    13 D Brits (Border)
    14 D Saals (WP)
    15 C Bosch (EP)

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  139. @Tjoppa: Stassen at lock maybe? Joubert has had two good runs so it is close between him and Bosch. SWD hooker, Baard, is a good call. Have not seen all the games but this is pretty close.

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  140. @All Black: Stassen not enjoying the hard work required at ruck time. Love to stand off and run. And I appreciate this is maybe not his own decision and part of his team tactics/instructions, but as said only my opinion.
    I think between Joubert, Keyter and Bosch not much difference but Bosch teared the Bulls apart almost by himself. Joubert needs front foot ball to really excel and Keyter my personal choice. But again wiped all memories clear and only go on what the boys display on the day.

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  141. @Tjoppa: Like your team but I would also have Stassen in there. Remember, he is playing 5, loose lock – ala, Matfield, Bekker etc – as long as 4 and 3 are doing the hard yards at ruck time, he can afford to be a ball runner..?

    I would have Keyter and Joubert on the wings!

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  142. @Grasshopper: Surprised that they admitted you. They are normally very sensitive to “alien” invaders, especially from regions where the “green plant” grows. Yes, unlike Durbs, where all the schools are lined up in Umbilo Rd (Or is it now Karl Marx Ave ?), the schools are spread out a little. Saints, as you saw is just around the corner from GCB, and Eunice, our sister school (English med) on our doorstep. Others, like Sentraal, JFouche, Bloemfontein, Fichardt Park, LB, Sannies,CBC and several more, all with well over a thousand learners.@beet: Good proletarian/socialist suggestion. Lets prevent excellence and introduce more rules to limit the number of players from one school.Social engineering at its best- punish the achievers. Lets extend the same principal to academics- no more than 3 distinctions per candidate, until the rest catch up, and in doing so, lower the standards if needed.

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  143. @Tjoppa: Now why would they want to kill you for an exhibition of such brilliance and insight.?Its what any person would describe as selection poetry- absolutely outstanding

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  144. @Tjoppa: Tjops nou waar is Zandberg ( SWD 5) in jou span. seker die mees fisieke slot op CW met baie hoë werkverrigting. Fillies kan nie verdedig nie, maar het spoed. Ek sal die OP se losskakel bo enige ander speler kies hy is ook ‘n briljante heelagter. Baie flair en goeie voet, …ook baie vinnig van die merk af. Ek dink hy gaan Vrystaat laat rondskarrel vanmiddag.

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  145. I’ve only watched one game so far and that was the Valke against I think Boland. I switched channels midway through the first half after the Valke goal kicker for the 4th time slipped his hands through his hair.

    If I was his dad I’d get the sjambok ready.

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  146. From what Speartackle tells me I must get the following players in France

    Leopards 7……..Oosthuizen
    Valke 9
    Valke 5
    Griffons 12
    EP Country Districts 8……………v Jaarsveld I think

    Most underrated player of 2014…………..Jonker from Grey…………should be SA Schools captain

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  147. Geluk aan die OP met n welverdiende wen vandag. Sien uit na twee goeie spanne wat opwindende rugby speel in die finaal.

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  148. @Pinotage: Nooit n verskoning nie, maar die afwesigheid van sleutelspelers is beslis gevoel. En soos ek elders gese het, Geluk OP ! Welverdiend.

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  149. Behalwe die finaal tussen OP en SWD speel Bulle teen KZN en WP teen Vrystaat….Weet nie hoe dink die ouens wat die bepalings maak nie…WP vs Bulle was mos nou mooi op die kaarte!…

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  150. Bulle was beroof in eerste game deur swak skeidsregter/lynregter beslissing. Op die vlak moet wen seker nie alles wees nie maar dit beroof sommige seuns van die kans om dalk SA Skole te maak!

    Sou graag Bulle teen SWD in final wou sien. MAAR dis water onder die brug, kom ons kyk wat more gebruik!

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  151. @Babbelas: As jy nie nou al weet wat jy more gaan “gebruik” nie gaan dit maar ‘n saai affere wees. Ons is al almal oppad kombi toe om te gaan “stock” vir vanaand se poker en more se Middelburg trippie.

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  152. Watched some of the games last night. Am I being unkind when I say this is like watching U16 rugby with no structure? Not sure how many of these players are going to go through and play pro rugby. Some stand outs but not the talent we are used to at CW.

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  153. What a slap in the face to both the Griffons and leopards.
    Both teams still unbeaten, but can not get a game on the main field on the last day.
    Is there a rule that says only the “big boys” can play on the main field ??

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  154. @valke: @All Black: STEM SO SAAM MET JOU.

    I think its pathetic that this can happen just shows the feeling if any of the MAIN MEN towards smaller unions. The LIONS should have been playing on the C field after losing both their games.

    The main curtain raiser should have been Griquas vs Griffons. Then 3rd last game could have been Leopards vs Pumas (because they home union and played good rugby).

    But then again who are anyone from the smaller unions to say anything about this crap.

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  155. @MikeSt: Mike, on another thread I expressed my views on your comment on moving players.

    On seeing this, I can understand your thinking.

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  156. @valke: And now we wonder why all the good kids move to the big schools. Not even at CW you get a fair chance to display your talent. Thinking of Knoetze, Swanpoel, Steenkamp, Juries, Vermaak, Ngxesha, Alexander and my two stars Coetzer(13) and Rheeder(8) who must surely be close if not the best in their positions at this CW. Sies.

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  157. @valke: @Tjoppa: SA Rugby has this apparent PHILOSOPHY of taking rugby to the people and develop rugby in all areas with specific reference to the remote smaller areas.

    They have a PHILOSOPHY yes and that is to kill rugby in any other union than the 5 MAIN MEN. As in the end the boys do move yes as the school system is the only recognized system nowadays to get anywhere (apart from Varsity Cup)

    If EP and SWD did not force them by winning their games they would have been in the same position as the other smaller unions.

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  158. Would suprise me if Steenkamp and Rheeder still attends their respective schools (Potch Gim + Klerksdorp) next yr, surely two of the better loosies at CW 2014 and bound to draw attention from scouts but anyway its shocking that youre unbeaten and play B-field while beaten teams play A-field, maaitjie-maaitjie storie …

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  159. Am I correct, based on Saturday’s fixtures that the teams will “unofficially” play for the following positions:
    1 & 2: SWD vs EP (A field)
    3 & 4: KZN vs Bulls (A)
    5 & 6: WP vs FS (A)
    7 & 8: Pumas vs Lions (A)
    9 & 10: Griffons vs Leapards (B Field)
    11 & 12: Border vs Griq (B)
    13 & 14: Zim vs Nam (B)
    15 & 16: EP CD vs Valke (C)
    17 & 18: Boland vs Limp Blue Bulls (C)
    19 & 20: Griq CD vs Border CD (C)

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  160. @GCollege86: I would hate to think that this could be correct.

    It would mean a team that lost both its games plays out for 7&8, where 3 unbeaten teams plays for 9 – 12.

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  161. @MikeSt: Firstly YOU are not the PEOPLE being referred to.
    Secondly the Varsity Cup is already an instrument for the bigger unions to give playtime to their contracted juniors. So being seen there. Not so good actually F*&^all.

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  162. Ek kon nie glo toe ek sien dat net die hoofwedstryd more op SS gewys word nie. SS se dat die borge en organiseerders bepaal wat gewys word. SARU weet niks daarvan nie na ek met iemand van SARU by die CW gepraat het. Sy bel my toe later terug en se dat SS se dat hulle “skeleton staff” by die CW het vir Saterdag. Die ander personeel moet die ander sport in SA dek. Hulle se verder dat hulle nog altyd net die finaal gewys het en dat niks gaan verander nie. Watter ander sport in SA? Net die rugby later moremiddag. Nie almal van ons bly naby Middelburg nie en ek sou wat wou gee om die WP/Cheetahs en Bulle/Sharks te kon sien.

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  163. @PRondersteuner: vra haar as daai skeleton een wedstryd kan uitsaai hoekom kan hulle nie al die wedstryde uitsaai nie. Dink erens maak Coca Cola ‘n groot fout. Tydgleuf se kostes in die week beslis goedkoper as Saterdae maar REGTIG.

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  164. @Tjoppa: Het nie n clue waarvan en waarna jy nou verwys nie “Firstly YOU are not the PEOPLE being referred to”

    The comment on Varsity is % correct even through there is a lucky one that slips through here and there.

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  165. Geez, you girls can whine!

    Griquas, Griffons, Leopards unbeaten, but you can hardly compare them to teams that lost by 1 point and 5 points to the finalists.

    Maybe in 2015 the 1st day fixtures should look like this:

    EP vs Griquas
    SWD vs Griffons
    Bulls vs Leopards
    KZN vs Border
    WP vs Namibia

    One wonders how much whining there would be then!

    EP, SWD earned the right to play in the final while Bulls and KZN certainly deserve their spot on the main field. If the smaller unions want to stand in the limelight, they need to take on the big guns from day 1.

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  166. @LineBreak: Maybe get of the throne of BIG and SMALL unions.

    Do the small unions get exposure to actually play then? No they don’t

    This should be a reward for a smaller undefeated union to get the opportunity to play on the main field on the last day.

    Saying this as we bow down to the superiority of the BIG unions

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  167. @LineBreak: So schedule it from day one.
    Then the big guns can beat the smaller teams and deserve their place on the final day, or maybe not……

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  168. @MikeSt: The question is, undefeated against who?

    Surely we we don’t want the premier U18 tournament rewarding mediocrity. As I said … take on the big guns from day 1, go undefeated and then get a just reward. Apples vs apples etc.

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  169. @LineBreak: Very much like the Sharks and Bulls and WP and Cheetahs that’s undefeated :?: :?: :?: not even mentioning the Lions…….. :?: :?: :?:

    Is it their historical right to always play on the main field on Day 5 or why?

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  170. @MikeSt: I guess it’s due to the historical strength of the teams over 50 years of Craven Week. This is how you earn respect, over years and years.

    Realistically we cannot compare a 6 point win over the Valke to a 1 point loss to EP. I am the first to admit the Leopards have looked really good but it has to be seen in context.

    I also understand a team can only play whats in front of them, hence my suggestion to give the historically weaker teams a shot at causing an upset on day 1 or 2.

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  171. Unfortunately the way CW is structured means that the unofficial winners can only come from 1 or 8 teams every year irrespective of how good any of the other 12 teams happen to be in a given year.

    I don’t believe it is that much of an issue which field the teams play on.

    More of an issue is which selectors are watching which games on the final day.

    Since CW is a talent contest with the reward of SA Schools caps and of late international u18 matches, it would seem very unfair that the players of certain big unions are watched by undecided selectors on the A-field on the final day when chances are that in those undecided on positions more talented boys are playing well and going unnoticed on the B and C fields.

    That would be a big problem for me.

    Imagine if the big teams played on the A-field in front of the crowd while all the selectors congregated alongside the B and C field throughout the final morning. There would be a huge outcry of unfair practice.

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  172. @beet: As per CW regulations, every single player has had an opportunity of at least 70 minutes in front of the selectors on the main field.

    It’s impossible to host all teams on a single field on the final day so obviously the selectors need to hedge their bets on the historically stronger unions. How can you say that the Leopards, Griffons or Griquas have more talented players without seeing them take on stronger teams ?

    Perhaps it would have been better to have the unbeaten teams taking on the weaker “big” unions on final day:

    Leopards vs Bulls
    Griquas vs KZN
    SWD vs EP (Final)

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  173. @LineBreak: If we really want to be fair to all, teams should earn the right to play on the A field on the final day no matter which union they are from. If a team is undefeated after 2 games, surely they should have earned the right to play on the A field.

    If in a particular year the Griffons, Leopards and Griquas etc go unbeaten, well done and therefore you play on the A field. Another incentive sort of.

    The problem with selectors watching which games has plagued all forms of sport. I am of the opinion that the SA schools trial team is pretty much sorted by now. Positions of doubt might be the only reason why the selectors will watch the games. This will at most be 3 positions.

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  174. @LineBreak: I understand the constraints but these were created by the organisers themselves. If the selectors wanted to, they could overcome this. For example make the final day a full day of rugby. That’s 1 or possibly 2 more games on the main field. Or split the selectors into 2 groups. Or record all the A field games and watch the B field games live.

    About saying the little unions have players who are better than those in the big unions, the proof is provided in rugby after school. So many of our top players come from these little unions. They succeed in pro rugby years after they left school whereas some big union sbr players never get heard of again.

    I’m still haunted by what happened to KZN vs Boland a few years back on the final day. They put 40+ points past us on the way to a huge win. Although the name Leroy Bitterhout (SA Schools) is always the first that comes to mind, I’m sure Pieter-Steph du Toit and Wiaan Liebenburg (both SA u18) and now household names were also in that Boland team. KZN started importing players of late making our team much stronger. Before that we were pretty much hanging onto so-called big team status for dear life yet we have always had some talented players in our midst.

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  175. As you say Beet, rugby after school is where it happens and the men get seperated from the boys.

    If you can get to CW, you have a great chance of proving yourself after school, as a Union will certainly pick you up, even if it is the Leopards etc…

    For those who do not make CW, the road is a lot more tricky, but with the advent of the Young Guns Varsity Cup Comp, there is always a chance, no matter where you are from.

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  176. @Tjoppa: Dit word by die dag duideliker dat jou ma die dokter se woorde, “maak dood” verwar het met “maak groot”@beet: Its widely acknowledged that the SA representative teams “, are everything BUT representative. And the younger, the less representative. The sooner they introduce a SA CW school side and another, selected directly from the schools, the better. And its getting worse. And Im not saying this to be controversial, but if this continues, its going to do irreparable damage to SA rugby.

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  177. @RBugger: The Lood de Jager’s, Marcel Coetzee’s and Stephan Lewies’ of this world gives those that did not go to CW enough hope that they can make it in pro rugby if they really want to.

    Get into a well run academy, work hard and make the most of your chances you get.

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  178. @Kosie: For sure, it is certainly not easy and you would need an abundance of determination, but it is certainly achievable…

    Just that little bit easier if you already have one foot in the door

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  179. I don’t think the comments regarding the bigger unions using Varsity Cup to give players a run is correct across the board. It may apply to Pukke, Tukkies and NMMU but rarely happens at Maties/Ikeys. I think Maties/Ikeys are a bonus to the union in uncovering talent. They are slowly changing the rules but I believe they need to get it back to a genuine student competition.

    Congrats to SWD and EP on making the main game. I hope we see some exciting running rugby and that being in a final does not inhibit the players and coaches.

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  180. SA Schools 2013: Rikus Bothma (Paarl Gim, Captain), Daniel du Plessis (Paarl Boys High), Daniel du Preez (Kearsney College), Jean-Luc du Preez (Kearsney), Thomas du Toit (Paarl Boys High), Joseph Dweba (Florida), Ruan Kramer (Grey College), Thabani Mtsi (Selborne College), Ox Nche (Louis Botha), Abongile Nonkontwana (St Alban’s College), Refuoe Rampeta (Louis Botha), JD Schickerling (Paarl Gim), Francois Steyn (Affies), PJ Toerien (Garsfontein), Jacques Vermeulen (Paarl Gim), Conraad van Vuuren (Nelspruit), RG Snyman (Affies), Daniel du Plessis (Paul Roos), Remu Malan (Outeniqua), Warrick Gelant (Outeniqua), Grant Hermanus (Paarl Gim), Dewald Human (Outeniqua), Malcolm Jaer (Die Brandwag), Jurie Linde (Affies), Justin Phillips (Waterkloof), Brandon Thompson (Ermelo), Duhan van der Merwe (Outeniqua), EW Viljoen (Grey College), Leolin Zas (Hermanus), Marco van Vuuren (Transvalia).

    SA Schools 2012: Aidon Davis (Daniel Pienaar), Daniel du Preez (Kearsney), Jean-Luc du Preez (Kearsney), Francois Esterhuizen (Overberg High), Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg (Affies), Gideon Koegelenberg (Hugenote), Wilco Louw (HTS Drostdy), Thabo Mabuza (Centurion), Malcolm Marx (KES), Ox Nche (HTS Louis Botha), Abongile Nonkontwana (St Alban’s), JD Schickerling (Paarl Gim), Pierre Schoeman (Affies, Captain), Chad Solomon (Paul Roos), Dayan van der Westhuizen (Centurion), Jano Venter (HTS Middelburg), Ryno Eksteen (Affies), Warrick Galant (Outeniqua), Rohan Janse van Rensburg (Waterkloof), Sandile Khubeka (Kearsney), Jesse Kriel (Maritzburg College), Jurie Linde (Affies), Matjikinyane Molapo (Ben Vorster), Sergeal Petersen (Grey High School), Justin Phillips (Waterkloof), Handre Pollard (Paarl Gim, Vice-Captain), Akhona Sihunu (Dale), Duhan van der Merwe (Outeniqua).

    SA Schools 2011: Andrew Beerwinkel (Porterville High), Marne Coetzee (Glenwood), Leneve Damens (Grey College), Morne du Plessis (Waterkloof), Jacques du Plessis (Ermelo), Philip du Preez (Monument), Tyler Fisher (Westville), Irne Herbst (Waterkloof), Nhlanhla Hlongwane (HTS Louis Botha), Ruwellyn Isbell (Grey College), Pieter Jordaan (Grey College), Eugene Le Maitre (Marais Viljoen), Jean-Paul Lewis (Paul Roos), Thabo Mabuza (Centurion), Sikumbuzo Nothse (Wynberg), Sean Robinson (Waterkloof), Pierre Schoeman (Affies), Jan Serfontein (Grey College), Ruan Steenkamp (Monument), Andries Swanepoel (Grey College), Tim Swiel (Bishops), Siyabonga Tom (Glenwood), Jaco van der Walt (Monument), Kurshwill Williams (Oudtshoorn High).

    SA Schools 2010: Craig Barry (Paul Roos), Jean-Paul Lewis (Paul Roos), William Small-Smith (Grey College, Captain), Andile Jho (Dale), Leroy Bitterhout (Klein Nederburg), Johan Goosen (Grey College), Rudi van Rooyen (Affies), Nardus van der Walt (Affies), Sikumbuzo Notshe (Wynberg), Khaya Majola (Westville), Ruan Botha (Jeugland), Ruan Venter (Monument), Allan Dell (Queen’s College), Jason Thomas (Muir), Steven Kitshoff (Paul Roos), Anrich Bitzi (Grey College), Neethling Fouche (Grey College), Schalk van Heerden (Affies), Wiaan Liebenberg (HTS Drostdy), Kevin Luiters (Grey College), Paul Jordaan (Grey College), Tshotsho Mbovane (Paul Roos).

    SA Schools 2009: Riaan Britz (Grey College), Sizo Maseko (Ermelo), Piet Lindeque (Grey College), Andile Jho (Dale), Brian Skosana (St Andrew’s College), William van Wyk (Paarl Gim), Pieter Rademan (Grey College, Captain), Siya Kolisi (Grey High School), Jean Cook (Grey College), Lean Schwartz (Waterkloof), Carl Wegner (Grey College), Frederick Schnetler (Glenwood), Frans Malherbe (Paarl Boys High), Bongi Mbonambi (St Alban’s), Stephan Kotze (Grey College), Scarra Ntubeni (KES), Zolani Faku (Grey High School), Chris Cloete (Selborne), Nizaam Carr (Bishops), Tony Jantjies (Menlopark), JP du Plessis (Paul Roos).

    SA Schools 2008: Pat Lambie (Michaelhouse), Tythan Adams (Paul Roos), Wandile Mjekevu (KES), Francois Venter (Grey College), Abednego Mamushi (Middelburg High), Francois du Toit (Grey College), Chuma Faas (Grey High School), CJ Stander (Oakdale, Captain), Petrus Uys (Monument), Helmut Lehman (Paarl Gim), Niel Kapp (Outeniqua), Andries Ferreira (Affies), Neethling Gericke (Oakdale), Shaun Malton (Glenwood), Ruan Smith (Paarl Gim), Gareth Topkin (Rondebosch), Najbulo Mkize (Westville), Mlungisi Bali (St Alban’s), Siya Kolisi (Grey High School), Sinovuyo Nyoka (Dale), Elton Jantjies (Florida), Garth April (Bergrivier).

    SA Schools 2007: Pat Lambie (Michaelhouse), Riaan Arends (Brandwag, Uitenhague), Earl Snyman (Outeniqua), Robert Ebersohn (Grey College), Ompile Seabela (Pretoria Boys High), Marnitz Boshoff (Nelspruit), Rudy Paige (Bastion, Captain), Nick Koster (Bishops), Roelof Pienaar (Grens High), Marnus Schoeman (Waterkloof), Cornell Hess (Affies), Marchant van Rooyen (Jan Viljoen), Julian Redelinghuys (Monument), Johan Oberholzer (JanViljoen), Dale Chadwick (Westville), Sibi Masina (Standerton), Coenie Oosthuizen (Grey College), Kene Ockafor (Kearsney), Moekoa Bolofo (HTS Louis Botha), Kelvano King (Alexandria High), Yondela Stampu (St Alban’s), Hadley Smith (Grey College).

    SA Schools 2006: Cecil Afrika (Hentie Cilliers), Justin Botha (Monument), Yaya Hartzenburg (Paarl Boys High), Cornell Hess (Affies), Frik Kirsten (Affies), Nick Koster (Bishops), Divan Kotze (Waterkloof), Luvuyiso Lusaseni (Selborne), Ntokozo Mashele (Nelspruit), Tshepo Masuga (Monument), Aubrey McDonald (Waterkloof), Juan-Pierre Mostert (Brits), Mlindazwe Nqoro (St John’s), Julian Redelinghuys (Monument), Alfred Ries (Monument), Jean-Jacques Rossouw (Paarl Gim), Marlin Ruiters (Grey High School), Marnus Schoeman (Waterkloof), Clayton Stewart (Strand), Pieter-Willem van Vuuren (Grey College), Stefan Watermeyer (Waterkloof), Vainon Willis (Waterkloof).

    SA Schools 2005: Conraad Britz (Oakdale), Zander de Kock (Vereeniging HTS), Riacco Eilerd (Landbou High), Vincent Gwavu (Daniel Pienaar), Morne Jooste (Settlers High), Christopher Juries (Kingswood), Divan Kapp (HTS Middelburg), Marlon Lewis (Bertram), Edgar Marutlulle (Potchefstroom Boys High), Aubrey McDonald (Winterburg), Pieter Meyer (Waterkloof), Chris Micklewood (Westville), Hans Moolman (Ermelo), Malungisa Nkosi (St Stithian’s), Josephus Oosthuizen (Grey College), Dewald Potgieter (Daniel Pienaar), Charlton Prinsloo (Bridgton), Hendrik Roodt (Lichtenburg), Andre Smith (Paarl Gim), Mandilakhe Tile (Dale), PJ Vermeulen (Noord-Kaap), Stefan Watermeyer (Waterkloof).

    SA Schools 2004: Randall April (Bergrivier), Bradley Barritt (Kearsney), Heinrich Brussow (Grey College), Ricardo Croy (Paarl Gim), Stoffel Duvenhage (HTS Middelburg), Shandre Frolick (Worcester Gym), Andisa Gqobo (Hudson Park), Alistair Hargreaves (Durban High School), Ashley Johnson (Paarl Gim), Marlon Lewis (Bertram), Hilton Lobberts (New Orleans), Edgar Marutlulle (Potchefstroom Boys High), Luvuyo Mhlobiso (Daniel Pienaar), Pieter Myburgh (Paul Roos), Herman Pretorius (Grey College), Carlo Prinsloo (Paarl Gim), Alistair Siegelaar (Paul Roos), Johan Snyman (Outeniqua), Deon Stegman (Grey College), Johan Strauss (Kearsney), Johan Volschenk (Oakdale), Jerome Williams (Middellande Secondary).

    SA Schools 2003: Marius Delport (Zwartkop), Andisa Gqobo (Hudson Park), Gert Greyling (Sand du Plessis), Antonie Gronum (Oakdale), Alwyn Hollenbach (Grey College), Leon Karemaker (Bellville), Ncedo Koyana (Selborne), Pieter Louw (Paarl Boys High), Warren Malgas (PW Botha), Sangoni Mxoli (Durban High School), Thobela Ngonyoza (Oscar Mpetha), Steph Robberts (Grey College), Jody Rose (Paul Roos), Ashwin Scott (Parkdene), Pieter Spamer (Pietersburg), Wilhelm Steenkamp (Paarl Boys High), Adriaan Strauss (Grey College), Richard Strauss (Grey College), Flip van der Merwe (Grey College), Jano Vermaak (HTS Vereeniging), Frank Wagenstroom (Tygerberg).

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  181. @BOG: Ongelukkig is dit nie net by skolesport waar uitnemendheid vermorsel word nie. In my beroep waar ek glo ek die gemeenskap dien, en ek donners hard gewerk het om te vorder, is dit n skande om te te sien watter sotte nou hulle vals note op n blik kitaar tokkel.

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  182. @Pinotage: Beslis. n Paar jaar gelede het die prokureursorde ( ? ) hulle bekommernis uitgespreek oor die groot getalle funksioneel “ongeletterde” gegradueerdes wat in die lewe “losgelaat” word. Ek neem aan di nou met 4 jaar B-Proc grade. Hoe lyk dit dan elders en nou, n paar jaar later? In my dae was dit slegs maatskaplike werkers wie “losgelaat” was. Dames wie universiteit toe is vir die uitsluitlike doel om man te vind, het maatskaplike werk geswot. Die mooieres het man gekry end die wie nie, is “losgelaat” onder die sorgbehoewendes.

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  183. @kosie: Kosie ek stem saam dat die seuns vir die Trial game op 26 Julie seker 99% klaar gekies is , kom ons glo dat die beste seuns daar sal wees en dat die Skole wat verteenwoordig word nie n rol sal speel soos baie van die “Scouts” weergee.

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  184. I heard a rumour that 10 of the 50 boys selected for the Green Squad trials at Kempton Park next Sat are Academy Week players. Great news if true. I’m sure by this afternoon we’ll find out the truth.

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  185. @BOG: Ek vermoed jy verwys eerder na die vier jaar LLB produkte B. Proc is deesdae iets anders wat nie gerig is op toelating nie.

    Die vier jaar LLB het verskeie “vreemde” skepsels “losgelaat”, en die Universiteite het dit gelukkig opgelet. Wits het die leiding geneem en hul vier jaar program begin uitfaseer en die “ou” programme weer begin infaseer.

    Die vier jaar programme het op gemiddeld eenvoudig nie die mas gehaal nie. Dom plan van dag een af.

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  186. En natuurlik Latyn ? Di seker nie weer vereiste nie? Dit sou die skape en bokke mooi geskei het. Latyn Spes was in orde vir voorgraads, maar Latyn 1 was n vereiste vir LLB. Ek weet van manne wat n jaar afgestaan het net aan Latyn 1 (en drink) Vaderland, dit wys net hoe lank in die tand ek is. Gedog B Proc is nog vt by sommige universiteite met die oog op toelating as n skelm, skuus, prokureur.

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  187. @BOG: Die groot verskil tussen die ou drie jaar llb en die nuwe weergawe is nie inhoud nie, maar voorheen was llb uitsluitlik ‘n nagraadse kwalifikasie, maw baie skape en bokke was geskei voorgraads en agv nagraadse keuring.

    Mens kry deesdae interessante spesialisasie B Procs, waarvan die mees bekende Kovsies se B Proc met spesialiseing in versekeringsreg is. Nie gerig op toelating as prokurower, maar op CFA ens-puik kwalifikasie, ten miste die produkte daarvan wat ek al gesien het.

    Lingua Latina Amo is nie meer so prominent nie, en studente put beslis nut uit ten minste spes. Mens herken nog steeds die ouens uit die vorige LLB “bedeling” aan die pers Lexis Latina boekies in hul aktetasse.

    Wens ek kon die WP VS Cravenweek game gekyk het. As mens kyk na die telling lyk dit of dit close en vol aksie was.

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