One of the biggest games of the Gauteng rugby season just happens to be the first one up for both KES and Pretoria Boys High on Saturday 22 March 2014 (13h15) at KES. It’s not the sort of match for which either school likes to be labelled as the favourites, so lets just say that the perception out there is that the team from North of the Jukskei River are the underdogs this time round. A player of interest will no doubt be Herschelle Gibb’s son Rashard Fuller who starts at flyhalf for KES. Team sheets below.
| KES | Pretoria BH | ||
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | M Macheke | 1 | J Blew |
| 2 | W du Plessis | 2 | V Janse Van Rensberg |
| 3 | K Mills | 3 | T Mukhari |
| 4 | S Mkhize | 4 | D Malangela |
| 5 | D King | 5 | R Carlson |
| 6 | B O’Donahue | 6 | M Buamann |
| 7 | J Bryan | 7 | R Buys Du Plessis |
| 8 | J Mills (c.) | 8 | G Van Den Berg |
| 9 | N Mathaba | 9 | T Eve |
| 10 | R Fuller | 10 | D Waghorn |
| 11 | K Maphate | 11 | W Parker |
| 12 | B Meyer | 12 | R Basson |
| 13 | R Theron | 13 | D Pirie |
| 14 | S Champion | 14 | A Mare |
| 15 | B Naude | 15 | D Neser |
@Vin: interesting – that win loss ratio really blew out from 1999-2008 when KES did not beat PBHS for ten years. Prior to that it was pretty even as the average 14-11 score suggests. Time for KES to have an extended run
Saw Rashard Fuller play at u/16 level. Thought he was a very good, alround flyhalve.
I think to much is made of size, especially in the backline. He might be on the small side, but will most definately do what is required of him and more.
Kind Edward VII vs Pretoria Boys High School Stats
Saturday, 22 March 2014
1st match played: 1932. Won by PBHS (10-6)
Total matches played: 97. Won by KES: 35. Won by PBHS: 54.
Total matches drawn: 8. Last drawn match: 2013. (17 – 17)
Total points scored by KES: 1076.
Total points scored by PBHS: 1344.
Average score: PBHS 14 – 11 KES
Highest score for KES: 41 (41-3) in 1977.
Highest score for PBHS: 43 (43-15) in 2003 and (43-18) in 2006.
Highest margin of victory for KES: 38 (41-3) in 1977.
Highest margin of victory for PBHS: 41 (41-0) in 2004.
Most points in a match: 61(PBHS 43 – KES 18) in 2006.
Last match played: 2013. Draw (17-17)
Source: http://rugbyfromawheelchair.com
@Pinotage: Very true. But when the perception of size has an influence on the oulook of the opposition, doubt starts to play a part.
If GCB plays any team, the other team will know that it is GCB and that they are rated as one of the best rugby schools in the world and therefore the preception will have an influence on the way they play. All schoolboy rugby derbys know the other team and play the team accordingly. Sometimes to the detriment of the team.
@Ploegskaar: Never the size of the dog in the fight that counts. It’s the size of the fight in the dog.
The combo of a big dog with plenty fight, disscipline, tradition and solid coaching, is of course what seperates brilliance from mediocrity.
Like GCB, Paarl Gim, Paul Roos and a few others.
@Ploegskaar: Bly vir hulle onthalwe. Gavin Beresford is na my oordeel een van die heel bestes.
Dit is meestal ongesond dat n pappie n span afrig waar sy spruit speel. Dit maak ongelukkig die deur oop vir bevoordeling of minstens die persepsie van bevoordeling.
Met Beresford aan die stuur behoort die Tiere weer goed te doen. Alhoewel dit vanuit die Noorde vir my lyk of Stellenberg en Bellville sal saamdraf om te bepaal wie piepie die meeste skuim in die Noordelike Suburbs.
@Pinotage: Pappie het saam met seun aanbeweeg en die uiters bekwame Beresford staan weer aan die stuur. Volgens betroubare bronne is die agterlyn weer gif, maar sal maar vir myself gaan sien by die Brackenfell Rugbydag Vrydag, en dan die eerste dag van die TSRF.
@Ploegskaar: Mnr Ploeg jy ken mos die Noordelike voorstede se skoolspanne. Hoe lyk Tygerberg hierdie jaar? Die Tiere se ondersteuners is sover tjoepstil ten spyte van n wen teen Hugenote. Het hulle steeds n pappie wat die eerstespan afrig?
@Tjoppa: Baie waar, Drostdy het bv. hierdie jaar weer ‘n gewigtige pak, maar kon Stellenberg se kleiner voorhoede nie rondskuif nie, terwyl Boland se klein maar taai pak ‘n paar keer 20+ meter met hulle geloop het in Saterdag se 20min/helfte wedstryd. In beide gevalle het goeie afrigting en tegniek die botterkanonne gefnuik.
@Tjoppa: En dan sing hulle vir die paptrokke: “spoeg uit jou boetie!”
@Tjoppa: Agree 100%.
@Vin: In Afrikaans we call the overweight players “Paptrokke”
Weight of forwards by no way a yardstick to measure performance.
@Roger: That outside centre is grade 11 so he’ll be back next year.
@Woltrui: Wollas general knowledge after boys do not make u14a,b,c,d they go to PBHS to play A team. But be aware know that the Souties are really putting in an effort again. New gym etc etc etc. So moenie onderskat nie.
A lot of dutchies in that Pretoria Boys High team. The banter from the Affies laaities, when they compete against PBHS, is of course that those dutchies couldn’t get into Affies and had to choose second best
@Vin: man – there are some slabs of meat out there at school boy level.
I saw that the srummie, fly half and left wing are all 75kgs or so – really small – hope they have lots of pace
the outside centre, fullback and right wing look pretty big?
@RBugger: Jeppe were definitely not ineffective in 2013, as they won 11 and lost only four games, including:
1. a one point loss away at PBHS – Jeppe had a conversion to win but missed.
2. a narrow loss to Noord-Kaap – Jeppe had a player sent off after 5 mins.
3. a 36 to 18 loss away at Affies – not great but not shocking v the #1 team.
4. a poor loss to Bosch, when the latter were still firing early in the season.
Therefore, not a light pack at all really. Jeppe must have had some big boys last year, but obvioucly not very effective
@Roger: Pack weighs in at 772kg (96.5kg) and the average weight of the backline is 81kg. Were you at the Monument, Affies or PBHS game last year – by those standards this is a slightly above average squad. Some of last years packs:
Jeppe – 840kg (ave 105kg)
Westville – 768kg (ave 96kg)
Maritzburg – 776kg (ave 97kg)
Grey High – 760kg (ave 95kg)
Paul Roos – 816kg (ave 102kg)
Paarl Gim – 784kg (ave 98kg)
@RBugger: I thought so too – seems you and I are in the minority. In my day that team would have been monstrous!
@Tjoppa: further research – I see the average points differential between these schools at U14,U15 and U16 was 3 points – played 5 times at age group level, KES won 2 and PBHS 3 – again points to a very close encounter
@Roger: If those stats are correct, then it is by no means a small side, in fact, I would consider it a Large side
@Tjoppa: Tjop Tjop – last year at PBHS the 1sts drew 17-17, 2nds lost 6-12, 3rds lost 11-17 and U16A lost 21-26. All that tells me is that the game on Sat should be very very close!
@Vin: he Vin – I posted this on another thread – are KES really that small??
Someone told me KES had a smallish team this year – saw the heights and weights of the forwards and backs and they look pretty big to me
both props 104kgs, hooker 92kg and all 183cm or therabouts
Locks 194cm and and 192cm and 102kgs and 98kgs
One loosie 194cm and 102kg
other loosies 90+kgs
fullback, outside centre and right wing all 90+
scrummie, flyhalf and left wing small though
is that regarded as small these days – yeeesh
@Tjoppa: Ok gotcha – must say as a KES old boy and parent I’m not too positive for Saturday but as we know anything can happen with these big games.
@Vin: Think you misunderstood me. Talking about 2014 matrics when they played as juniors.
@Tjoppa: I hope you are wrong. I have a vested interested in the juniors.
Gooooo Forrr It Boys High
@Vin: From what I have seen as juniors it will be PBHS by 12.
@Rhino: Hi Rhino, haven’t seen anything on PBHS but I’ve seen the KES 1st team trading – think it’s going to be a tough season for the boys. No real size in the forwards but the backs look like they have some pace. This one can go either way. The KES U15A looks like a very good team, while the U14A has some solid boys in it.
damn – gonna miss this one – c’mon the REDS!
Anyone know the pre season form and have predictions for this game ?
@Kes Dutchie: They are play at KES:
Saturday, 22 March 2014
Team/Field/Time
1ST – MAIN (13:15)
2ND – MAIN (12:00)
3RD – MAIN (08:00)
4THS – MAIN (09:45)
5THS – MAIN (09:00)
6THS – JOHN HURRY 1 (08:45)
7TH – JOHN HURRY 1 (08:00)
8TH – JOHN HURRY 1 (12:45)
16A – MAIN (10:45)
16B – JOHN HURRY 1 (09:30)
16C – JOHN HURRY 1 (10:30)
16D – JOHN HURRY 1 (11:15)
16E – JOHN HURRY 1 (12:00)
15A – JOHN HURRY 2 (09:30)
15B – JOHN HURRY 2 (11:45)
15C – JOHN HURRY 2 (10:30)
15D – JOHN HURRY 2 (08:45)
15E – JOHN HURRY 2 (08:00)
15F – JOHN HURRY 2 (12:30)
14A – TUTTY FABER (08:45)
14B – TUTTY FABER (10:30)
14C – TUTTY FABER (12:00)
14D – TUTTY FABER (11:15)
14E – TUTTY FABER (09:45)
14F – TUTTY FABER (08:00)
Where are they playing?
Nice opener! All the best to both.