| School Rugby fixtures & results – week ending 16 March 2024 | ||||||
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| Tue.12Mar | BUL | Menlopark | 48-07 | Oos-Moot | BUL | NWU Skolesportreeks G1 |
| Tue.12Mar | VAL | EG Jansen | 41-00 | Transvalia | VAL | NWU Skolesportreeks G2 |
| Tue.12Mar | FS | Jim Fouche | 24-24 | Witteberg | GRF | Wesgrow SSS |
| Tue.12Mar | GRF | Goudveld | 22-19 | Fichardtpark | FS | Wesgrow SSS |
| Wed.13Mar | VAL | Kempton Park | 21-61 | Waterkloof | BUL | NWU Skolesportreeks G2 |
| Wed.13Mar | BUL | Garsfontein | 37-31 | Jeppe | LIO | |
| Wed.13Mar | LIO | Randpark | 05-47 | St David’s | LIO | |
| Fri.15Mar | WP | Strand | 33-31 | Hamilton RC u19 | WP | Brackenfell S/D |
| Fri.15Mar | WP | Brackenfell | 15-14 | Hopefield | BOL | Brackenfell S/D |
| Fri.15Mar | WP | Bishops | 45-00 | Windhoek HS | NAM | Wynberg Festival |
| Fri.15Mar | WP | Milnerton | 19-25 | St Charles | KZN | |
| Fri.15Mar | BOR | Port Rex | 12-13 | Mary Waters | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Fri.15Mar | EP | Union | 06-43 | Daniel Pienaar | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Fri.15Mar | EP | Kingswood | 29-14 | Marlow | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Fri.15Mar | BOR | Dale | 29-32 | Nico Malan | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Fri.15Mar | EP | Grey HS | 44-05 | Hudson Park | BOR | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | KZN | Kearsney | 00-23 | Durban HS | KZN | |
| Sat.16Mar | KZN | Westville | 17-25 | Michaelhouse | KZN | |
| Sat.16Mar | KZN | Hilton | 07-10 | Northwood | KZN | |
| Sat.16Mar | KZN | Maritzburg College | 83-10 | Clifton | KZN | |
| Sat.16Mar | BOL | Worcester Gim | 24-15 | Tygerberg | WP | Brackenfell S/D |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Durbanville | 22-25 | SACS | WP | Wynberg Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Rondebosch | 13-17 | Oakdale | SWD | Wynberg Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Wynberg | 84-03 | Windhoek HS | NAM | Wynberg Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | BOL | Hermanus | 05-13 | Parel Vallei | WP | |
| Sat.16Mar | SWD | Outeniqua | 13-15 | Boland Landbou | WP | |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Stellenberg | 05-29 | Paarl Gim | WP | |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Paul Roos | 73-10 | Drostdy | BOL | |
| Sat.16Mar | WP | Bellville | 26-21 | Swartland | BOL | |
| Sat.16Mar | SWD | Punt | 10-14 | Hugenote | BOL | |
| Sat.16Mar | BOL | Charlie Hofmeyr | 41-05 | DF Malan | WP | |
| Sat.16Mar | BOR | Cambridge | 24-21 | Muir | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | BOR | Stirling | 00-43 | Framesby | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | BOR | Queen’s | 11-19 | Pearson | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | EP | St Andrew’s | 34-19 | Brandwag (EP) | EP | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | EP | Graeme | 07-14 | Selborne | BOR | Graeme Rugby Festival |
| Sat.16Mar | VAL | Hugenote (Springs) | 24-19 | Klerksdorp | LEO | NWU Prestige P1 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Montana | 35-10 | Oosterlig | VAL | NWU Prestige P2 |
| Sat.16Mar | LEO | Rustenburg | 18-18 | Wesvalia | LEO | NWU Prestige P2 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Zwartkop | 43-13 | Potch Volkskool | LEO | NWU Prestige P3 |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Marais Viljoen | 22-07 | Jeugland | VAL | NWU Prestige P3 |
| Sat.16Mar | LEO | Lichtenburg | 28-11 | Pietersburg | LIM | NWU Prestige P4 |
| Sat.16Mar | LEO | Potch Gim | 12-05 | Die Anker | VAL | NWU Prestige P4 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Menlopark | 53-05 | Middelburg | PUM | NWU Skolesportreeks G1 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Oos-Moot | 37-29 | Nelspruit | PUM | NWU Skolesportreeks G1 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Waterkloof | 40-10 | HTS Middelburg | PUM | NWU Skolesportreeks G2 |
| Sat.16Mar | VAL | Transvalia | 21-31 | Kempton Park | VAL | NWU Skolesportreeks G2 |
| Sat.16Mar | BUL | Overkruin | 32-31 | Dr Malan | VAL | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Helpmekaar | 21-45 | Affies | BUL | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Jeppe | 36-20 | Pretoria BH | BUL | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | St David’s | 21-29 | St John’s | LIO | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | St Stithians | 62-03 | St Benedict’s | LIO | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Parktown | 20-37 | St Alban’s | BUL | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Monument | 64-28 | Welkom Gim | GRF | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIO | Noordheuwel | 27-31 | KES | LIO | |
| Sat.16Mar | LIM | Tom Naude | 24-24 | Merensky | LIM | |
| Sat.16Mar | GRF | Goudveld | 28-14 | Jim Fouche | FS | Wesgrow SSS |
| Sat.16Mar | GRF | Witteberg | 51-08 | Sentraal | FS | Wesgrow SSS |
| Sat.16Mar | GRF | Hentie Cilliers | 63-14 | Wilgerivier | GRF | |
| Sat.16Mar | GRQ | Upington | 31-07 | Curro Kathu | GRQ | |
| Sat.16Mar | GRF | Trio | 27-29 | Diamantveld | GRQ | Wesgrow SSS |
| Sat.16Mar | GRF | Voortrekker (Beth) | 33-10 | Fichardtpark | FS | Wesgrow SSS |
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #170)
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@Djou (Comment #169)
Stem saam. Ek het net uit nuuskierigheid gevra aangesien daar beweer is hulle het n hele nuwe span gekoop.
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #166)
Dit maak regtig nie saak nie! Bykans alle top skole het jaarliks nuwe gesigte.
Testing testing 1 two tree….
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #166)
Nee ek het geen idee nie. Jy sal Die Menlo manne op die blog moet vra.
@kantako (Comment #162)
Hoeveel van die 1st XV seuns was nie in 2023 in Menlo nie?
@Kantman (Comment #164)
Ek weet nie. Ek sien dit anders. 2des en 3des het verloor en geen 4des wedstryd nie. Slegs 16 A het gewen.
Wat my meeste opval is dat die junior spanne steeds nie sterk is nie, nadat R10mil spandeer was op n nuwe atletiekbaan.
Ek dink vanjaar tel C spanne ook punte vir die Beeldtrofee ? Hulle gaan dalk swaar trek. Ek weet nie of hulle weer laaste kan eindig en steeds bo bly nie.
Kom ons kyk. Skole rugby altyd lekker.
@kantako (Comment #162)
Diepte is seker nie te sleg met u16 wen en 9 u17s in die beginspan nie?
@kantako (Comment #162)
Jy is seker reg. Middies het 7 uit die 11 wedstryde gewen en 1 gelykop, maar ‘n mens voel maar altyd bietjie af as die 1stes ‘n loesing kry. Lyk of Menlo bietjie met diepte kan sukkel aangesien die o/14 en o/15 B spanne met groot tellings verloor het. Ek dink dit was hulle probleem 2023 ook in die NV beker. Die seisoen is egter nog jonk en baie dinge kan nog gebeur. Alle voorspoed vir hulle vir die res van die seisoen.
@Middies pa (Comment #160)
Lyk vir my nie of Menlo se rugby dan verbeter het nie, lyk vir my of hulle net n 1ste span gaan koop het om die skade vir die jaar weg te steek, as julle 2des, 3des,14A en 15A spanne gewen het.
Baie geluk aan Middies, klink of julle eintlik n goeie dag gehad het.
Askuus ek bedoel Die Menlo.
@Middies pa (Comment #160)
Lekker terugvoer – dankie!
@Kantman (Comment #132)
Dit was ‘n swaar naweek vir die Mpumalanga spanne die naweek. Middies se eerstes het heeltemal uit hulle diepte gelyk met Menlo wat soos ‘n ge-oliede masjien gelyk het. Andries se werk met die lynstane en rolmaal bewegings is duidelik sigbaar. Daar is darem hoop vir Middies met oortuigende wenne van die tweedes en derdes en harde “close” wenne vir die o/14 A en o/15 A spanne. So daar is seker hoop vir die toekoms. Dankie Menlo vir ‘n goeie naweek. Ek het bietjie meer toeskouers verwag, maar sal seker nog kom.
@Ploegskaar (Comment #154)
Time for a WP Country team and a WP City team. It’s not rocket science – give more kids exposure!
@beet (Comment #156)
This is what you will get when you want to step up and play with the big boys.
Consistency is key – over a pro-longed period of 3-5 years – one show pony will not earn you browney points.
@beet (Comment #156)
Maybe I’m wrong, but it seemed as if Gim was varying the channels that they probed, with their tight head Williams that deserves a mention, regularly making meters off 9 closer to the ruck, or off 10 in a wider channel, depending on field position. Thought they also varied they same side and switch plays well, which made it more difficult for the D to set, jockey and make the right decisions
@Ploegskaar (Comment #154)
I felt like Stellies main weapon against Gim the past two years was well organised and strong defence and they didn’t quite have it this year. Gim found points much easier to come by.
@beet (Comment #153)
What made the second try so good, was that they utilized the penalty advantage so clinically. Last try to tap and hammer the nail in was so typically Gim, not afraid to beat you and make you remember who’s the boss
@gimmie (Comment #152)
Only giving credit where it is due. I have not watched the PRG game yet and have reached my daily limit of dishing out compliments to our Winelands neighbors to be honest. Stellenberg built good momentum at times and their scrum looked solid on the day. They are always well coached, but accuracy and discipline let them down at crucial times. They will do more than just compete well this season, I think
@Ploegskaar (Comment #151)
I won’t lie. I love watching Paarl Gim play. The Pieter Rossouw blueprint. Continuity in SBR as its most enjoyable best.
The first try was great and I could swear the second try was equally as good.
I thought Markus Muller at 13 was awesome. Really hard to believe he is u17. Also loved the way Jan Koegelenberg at 6 got used in broken play.
thanks Ploegskaar, much appreciated..hectic wind.. 18 phases, 32 passes, two minutes of glorious continuity….a try that reminded me of the great Gareth Edwards try for the Babas vs All Blacks in the 70s…Gim will not be the best team in SA this year, hopefully top 5… but the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts…great coaching team…good performance but Stellenberg will be very disappointed with their 1st team performance…however their rugby program progressing very well..congrats on a job well done…big statement by Paul Roos…Affies vs Paul Roos next saturday will be a riller…
For anyone interested in this sort of thing, have a look at the lead-up to Paarl Gim’s 1st try vs Stellenberg. It is pretty close to the perfect study in tempo, ball retention, patience, ruck speed, RTA and decision making. Great coaching and accurate execution by the players, who clearly trust their systems and structures
@Tang (Comment #141)
I didn’t watch the game yesterday, but I am led to believe that the game was closer than the score suggests. I am always hesitant to get involved in discussions of statistics because you can manipulate the stats. The fact is that the historical rugby results in this fixture now reads 47 – 36 in Boys High favour. Considering that Jeppe have won 10 of the last 11 games, if you eliminate the last 11, then fixture would read 46 – 25 in Boys High favour. But take into consideration that Boys High had a 20 years winning streak in this fixture – that means that in the late 90’s this fixture read as 26 – 25 in Boys High favour! very much a 50/50 fixture and not the 2 in 3 win rate as you state….my point I am trying to make is that these stats are not really indicative of nearly a 100 years worth of results.
I have made the point in my last post, a lot of these fixtures go in waves. I matriculated in the mid 90’s and I can tell you that we expected to beat Boys high just as I am sure Boys High expected to beat Jeppe from 1998 – 2014 or whenever that winning spell was. This will change I am sure. I am an old boy that lives in Natal midlands – I think Boys High plays all 3 of the midlands schools? I can tell you that chatting to those old boys all 3 school expect to beat Boys High – that has nothing to do with bursaries but everything to do with where your rugby program is at the moment – again I get the impression that a sleeping giant is on the way to be woken (and I really hope so).
I am not sure when your son matriculated, I am surprised that Jeppe were obsessed in winning hockey because I can’t remember a time when Jeppe hockey was not strong. For a long time Boys High was the benchmark, when I was at school beating KES was an obsession as they were the benchmark. I get the impression from younger old boys that the obsession is now to beat Affies as they are the benchmark in the Noordvaal. I would take that as compliment.
Jeppe rugby saw some consistent improvement from 2014 and this was a full 12 years after the Theo Jackson Fund was started. In the 12 years prior to that there were some other factors that also occured in Johannesburg 1. Jeppe improved on their academics, 2. Jeppe improved the perception of the school and these factors both improved the quantity of applicants. 3. Johannesburg English speaking primary schools started playing rugby, 4. Junior rugby clubs started in traditional Jeppe catchment areas, 5. Jeppe up skilled educators in rugby coaching 7. Boarding numbers were improved back to 90’s numbers …..there are so many factors that played a part in the rugby resurgence which plays to Rogers point.
I can not speak on the Clive Hatch Fund as I do not know anything about it in terms of which boys it accepts. But I do know the Theo Jackson Fund and I can tell you that no boy was ever selected for sporting ability, they are selected on the courage that they have exhibited in their young lives – and I know that for a fact!! Do some of them turn out to excel in sport, yes of course but at no point is sporting ability a factor – just like the other 150 boys that apply.
Unless you can show me who pays the school fees of every child at the school, I am still not convinced that there is not a single boy at Boys High that is getting funded by an old boy or parent etc. The fact of the matter is that at some point Boys High will have to make a decision as to where they want to go. They will have to either offer a small portion of sporting bursaries, or admit that some of those academic bursaries that they currently give are awarded to those academics that just happen to be gifted sportsman too which is great!! I just hope that you are as vocal against that when this happens as you are now.
Boishaai het n breuk gevat die naweek.
Paar groot wedstryde oppad.
Paul Roos klop Drostdy gemaklik 73-10.
Dit is n begin, die Maroon Masjien vuur nog nie op alle silinders nie..
Affies volgende..
@Roger (Comment #145)
Well said.
And congrats on the RED Army’s results yesterday. One thing is sure, looking at the Monnas, Noordheuwel, KES, Jeppe, and Helpmekaar teams, the Lions Cravenweek side might just beat the senior side on the day.
JEPPE !
@Tang (Comment #141)
“How does Jeppe go from a one in three change of beating Boys High to virtual certainty of beating Boys High” you are asking the wrong question mate. How does Boys High go from arguably one of the strongest English speaking boys schools (in rugby) in the country to easy beats? Here’s a hint – it ‘ain’t just bursaries mate.
@Tang (Comment #141)
My comments were in not intended to rub you up the wrong way. It had to do more with what I know the school, the coaches, and a large number of old boys expect from this particular first team. Just a small misconception I wanted to address, the one that offering scholarships and buying players magically makes you good – it doesn’t, it is maybe 40% of the job done.
There now needs to be a structure in place for this child to grow and adapt, it is quite a job to “raise” a scholarship boy to matric to reach his full potential. I’m beginning to sound like a broken record with this reference to my time at Jeppe, but again, I have seen it fail first hand and a school known for sporting scholarships, Jeppe, came 52nd in the rankings in my matric year 2017 – it can fail still.
The next thing is there does actually need to be good coaching still. I think Jeppe noticed inconsistencies with our first teams – we’ve been buying for long but we’ve never been good for long. The answer? Coaching. An actual rugby programme. There has been investment in some big names, none more so than Carl Spilhaus in 2017, but Jeppe was always trying to find a balance, there were a lot of coaches coming in and out between 2013 – 2017, where today I think they have the right people. No use having a first team like the 2016 one with Simelane and Dayimani and Green and then falling so so far down the immediate next year, that doesnt happen to proper rugby programmes.
Side note, even THAT first team, as great as they were on their day, throw a little adversity at them, you’d be really shocked what they’d give you. Dayimani went down and they lost to Parktown. So much hope for the Affies game that year, they actually got hit the second hardest in all my time at Jeppe. So the point is, those were talented guys, but no real structure, which is what “just buying” can create.
If anything, it is commendable that Boys High have stuck around this long without buying players.. That in itself is an achievement. It would be tragic to lose the Boys High fixture.
Charlies thumping DF Malan, KES beating
Noordheuwel, Hilton going down to Northwood, Oakdale beating Bosch. This is schools rugby, never a dull moment.
@Tang (Comment #141)
Maybe start a traditional fixture against HTS John Vorster. They also used to be a powerhouse in early 2000, I dont think they give scholarships anymore. You should have a 2/3 chance of beating them over the next decade.
Please stop hating on the schools that offer bursaries. If you PBHS dont like it, then stop playing against them. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Maybe look at Soccer or NFL, and look at what young age those players start getting contracted and drafted. Rugby is still years behind in terms of professionalism.
@theblackandwhite (Comment #101)
@theblackandwhite – Congrats on the win today.
My son played A team cricket at PBHS from grade 8. I recall how obsessed the Jeppe u14 coach was at wanting to beat boys high at age group level. The same seemed to apply in hockey and rugby. All I would like is an answer to this question: How does Jeppe go from a one in three chance of beating boys high (based on history) to virtual certainty of beating boys high? As Wanza_15 put it – We expect nothing less than a convincing victory. In the 80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s Jeppe did not expect to beat Boys High. There was always a chance they would win but it wasn’t a certainty.
How can you even consider this a traditional rivalry when you now expect to beat PBHS. As @Wanza_15 put it, PBHS would never beat Garsfontein. How does he know this with such certainty? If Garsfontein and Jeppe didn’t recruit players, would he have the same level of confidence? I don’t think so. The Theo Jackson fund may not have started out as a program to boost sports results but it is very coincidental how the increase in scholarships has boosted results. I urge you to give me a different point of view. I also want to assure you that Boys High don’t have or use a fund similar to Theo Jackson or Clive Hatch to fund talented sportsmen. Maybe you can also let me know when enough is enough. How many players on bursaries are needed for @Wanza_15 to assert that we expect nothing less than a comfortable victory?
JEPPE VS PRETORIA BOYS
Much improved & polished second half, backs had some real estate to work with. Jeppe would win the second half 24-10 after a 12-10 lead at halftime..
Next up, Noord-Suid, Friday vs Paarl Boys and Monday vs Grey College, wish us luck lol 😭😭😭💀
MENLOPARK BEGIN BAIE GOED
@Snelvuur (Comment #129)
PRG is die span die jaar.
Woubgraag kyk maar die internet was swak.
@4×4 (Comment #135)
Suide sonder enige twyfel, maar dit gaan verander….
Huge shock the Northwood win over Hilton, well done! Northwood right in the Ballito catchment area will only get stronger. DHS maybe the strongest in KZN this year with that big win. Monnas pumping Welkom Gim who beat Glenwood just shows how the mighty have fallen. My eyes opened wide at the 73-10 win by Paul Roos over Drostdy!! I have some hope for Glenwood vs Drostdy at Wildeklawer now…
@Kantman (Comment #133)
Oorlog begin volgende naweek in Pretoria…wie het “reigning” bragging rights, Noord of Suid?
AFRIKAANS HOëR SEUNSKOOL TEEN HELPMEKAAR KOLLEGE / HOëRSKOOL ELLISRAS / JOHN VORSTER
AHS O/14B teen Helpmekaar O/14B: Wen 48-0
AHS O/14E teen Helpmekaar O/14C: Wen 26-0
AHS O/15A teen Helpmekaar O/15A: Wen 31-14
AHS O/15B teen Helpmekaar O/15B: Wen 62-7
AHS O/15E teen Helpmekaar O/15C: Verloor 21-24
AHS O/16A teen Helpmekaar O/14A: Wen 17-10
AHS O/16B teen Helpmekaar O/16B: Wen 26-0
AHS O/16E teen Helpmekaar O/16C: Wen 43-0
AHS 7des teen Helpmekaar 4des: Wen 41-0
AHS 6des teen Helpmekaar 3des: Verloor 7-12
AHS 2des teen Helpmekaar 2des: Wen 24-3
Witbulle teen Helpmekaar 1stes: Wen 45-21
AHS 3des teen Ellisras 1stes: Wen 29-18
AHS 5des teen Ellisras 2des: Wen 61-18
AHS 9des teen Ellisras 3des: Wen 52-0
AHS 16C teen Ellisras 16A: Wen 45-12
AHS 16F teen Ellisras 16B: Wen 36-7
AHS 15C teen Elliras 15A: Verloor 0-12
AHS 15F teen Ellisras 15B: Wen 15-14
AHS 14C teen Elliras 14A: Wen 17-0
AHS 14F teen Ellisras 14B: Wen 45-5
AHS 14D teen JV 14A: Wen 34-0
AHS 14G teen JV 14B: Wen 50-0
AHS 14I teen JV 14C: Wen 57-0
AHS 15D teen JV 15A: Wen 27-21
AHS 15G teen JV 15B: Wen 17-5
AHS 16D teen JV 16A: Verloor 12-15
AHS 16E teen JV 16B: Wen 22-5
AHS 4des teen JV 1stes: Gelykop 20-20
AHS 8stes teen JV 2des: Wen 14-12
AHS 9des teen JV 3des: Wen 34-5
AHS 10des teen JV 4des: Wen 36-14
Gespeel: 33
Gewen: 27
Gelykop: 1
Verloor: 5
@Snelvuur (Comment #129)
As iemand in Pretoria bly en nie Affies vs PRG by Noord-Suid gaan kyk nie, gaan hulle spyt wees.
Goeie wen vir Menlopark – lyk my dinge gebeur daar
Geluk Paarl Gim
AROUND THE GROUNDS GLRU
Jeppe 36-20 Pretoria Boys
Parktown 15-32 St Albans
Helpmekaar 21-45 Affies
Monnas 45-21 Welkom Gim
Big statement in Stellenbosch. 52-0 at half time. Took the foot off the pedal in the second half, but looked like a million dollars in the first half.
@4×4 (Comment #125)
Praat jy nog van rugby?
Sterkte vir al die manne en coaches vandag.
Bly asseblief kalm en geniet die games ondersteuners – die Springbokke speel eers in Junie.
@Rugbyman (Comment #94)
Ek verwys na jou kommentaar wat betref uitdagings om vir laer spanne games te reēl….ek is seker die Direkteur van Sport by Affies sal ‘n koue saam met jou drink om hulle sukses wat laer spanne se deelname aanbetref met jou deel…..bel hom, julle is immers op dieselfde whatsapp groep
@Snelvuur (Comment #123)
Julle het ‘n Judas van Affies geerf en binne 6 maande poach die Judas ‘n produk van Affies….ek sak my kop in skaamte vir die eks Affie man se gedrag, baie kontra Affies kultuur
@Snelvuur (Comment #123)
Ek dink eerlikewaar toe almal hoor daar is geen skrums in ‘n sokkerwedstryd nie, toe verloor almal alle verdere belangstelling vir sokker in Pretoria.
@OudAffie (Comment #114)
Fantastiese storie! Ek sou gedink het dat die beserings in ‘n Affies-sokkerwedstryd uit die duikslae op daai harde velde sou spruit 😉
@Djou (Comment #116)
Ek verstaan en respekteer dat jy nie verder hieroor wil redeneer nie. Ek wil net vir die rekord (indien daar hier so iets is) noem dat jy gesê het dat jy oop vir oortuiging is dat beurse sleg is, indien jy met die nodige bewysmateriaal verskaf word. Ek het jou meer as een keer gevra watter bewyse jy sal wil sien, maar jy het geswyg om te antwoord. Is jy dan rerig oop vir oortuiging?
@Djou (Comment #113)
Vir seker, maar die antwoord is, soos jy self genoem het, dat baie Paul Roosers ook aan ander wintersporte soos hokkie en sokker deelneem!
Is dit dieselfde rede waarom daar op ‘n reële basis minder spanne in ander skole is?
@Strepie (Comment #112)
Getalle speel natuurlik ‘n groot rol! Maar ek dink as jy na PRG en HJS kyk, is daar proporsioneel min of meer dieselfde hoeveelheid seuns wat aan sport deelneem. In HJS is dit egter in die winter meer gekonsentreerd in rugby en hokkie, terwyl daar baie in PRG ook sokker speel. Beide PRG en HJS het gewoonlik so tussen 27 en 30 rugbyspanne, terwyl HJS 12 hokkiespanne teenoor PRG se 17 het. Indien dit slegs ‘n numbers game was, sou ‘n mens verwag dat HJS deur die bank rondom driekwart van PRG se spanne sou hê, liewer as om hou-vir-hou te kan gaan in sekere sporte.
Terloops, ek het familielede in HJS wat graag sokker as ‘n sport wou begin, maar gesê is dat die skool nie velde daarvoor beskikbaar kan stel nie…
@OUD ANKER (Comment #118)
Is daar nou n Jaques Kallis beurs of nie?🤣🤣
@theblackandwhite (Comment #101) I follow this debate with interest. I have to agree 100% with you, Ringo and the KES manne, but I also have to agree 100% with Tang. My opinion (just my opinion) is that I see nothing wrong with bursaries/sponsorships or whatever you want to call it, HOWEVER do this in grade 7 (for grade 8). If it is a sports bursary so be it, if it is a academic bursary and the boy can play rugby even better. The immediate argument will be, but a 90kg 1.85m grade 7 prop might not grow any further and he might waste the bursary awarded in grade 7, since in grade 11 he is still 90kg and 1.85m and does not make the grade to play 1st team rugby, well tough tekkies! if that bursary is wasted on rugby, that boy still had the opportunity to be in a top school from grade 8. Grey College, PBHS and Affies (and I’m sure there are others) for how many years now are fielding a 1st team with players that have been in the school since grade 8. You might ask so what if these teams consist of players that have been in the school since grade 8, well for one it teaches mutual respect and loyalty, which in my opinion is becoming a lost attribute in this world. I also listen to the arguments of others promoting the fact that offering a RUGBY bursary/scholarship recruiting a very promising player from a small school (or even from a big school playing in a B or C team) in grade 10 or 11 who would not have had the opportunity without that bursary. I’m not so sure that this is a valid argument either in these days. If you are a good enough player you will make it no matter what school you attend. 18 of the 33 members of the Springbok 2023 world cup winning squad attended NON traditional rugby powerhouse schools. A school is first and foremost a ACADEMIC educational institution, therefore handing out academic scholarships, well done to that school. Interesting fact, only 3 of the traditional all boy “traditional” rugby playing schools achieved a 100% matric pass rate in 2023, KES, SACS and Affies, makes one think about what a school should be all about.
@OudAffie (Comment #114)
Wat ‘n nice storie en tradisie!!👏🏻
@Snelvuur (Comment #102)
Jy skep ‘n vals argument om jou narratief te probeer regverdig.
Jy skep die analogie en redenasie dat steroids soos beurse gebruik kan word om te verbeter.
Maar steroids is onwettig en beurse in watter vorm ookal, nie.
Dis soos om te sê om moord wettig te maak om te verhoed dat my mededingers my besigheid wegvat.
Steroids is onwettig! Punt! Jy bou ‘n vals argument deur jou stelling te probeer regverdig met die wettiging daarvan. Dis ‘n bogus dilemma want daar is meer as 2 keuses uit ‘n vals stelling.
Gaan nie verder met jou redeneer hieroor nie.
@Snelvuur (Comment #111)
Ek dink sokker is n baie goeie alternatief as jy nie wil rugby speel nie.Ek vir een sal nie weer jol as ek dit kon oor kry nie.Dis net nie die kool die sous werd nie met die beserings en pyne op die kniee as jy ouer raak .Maak nie saak hoe baie ek ruggas laaik nie.
Dit breek net my brein dat daar nie n nasionale week op jnr vlak by sokker is nie(craven week) na 30 jaar.
Geen manier wat ons snr rugby op die vlak sou wees sonder CW nie.As daar so iets is,is ek glad nie bewus daarvan nie.Ek glo afrikaanse seuns sal goed doen in sokker en as daar so week is waar mens kleure kan kry sal hulle miskien meer genee wees om dit op te vat.
@Snelvuur (Comment #111)
Die laaste sokkerwestryd wat op Affies se A-Veld plaasgevind het was in die oploop van die 2010 Sokker Wêreld Beker tussen ‘n matriek span en ‘n klomp manspersoneel. 6 van die onnie span het binne minute hammies getrek, die Hoof het die Engelse en die Boereoorlog, meer spesifiek vir Kitchener blameer en dit was die laaste wat ‘n ronde bal toegelaat is binne die gronde van die Afrikaanse Hoër Seunskool. Tot vandag toe word daat elke jaar in Mei ‘n bos blomme op die veld geplaas vir die 6 hammies wat gesneuwel het. Maar Afrikaanse blomme, geen Engelse blomme toegelaat nie.
@Snelvuur (Comment #103)
Ai, snap jy nie?
Ou JongMatie kritiseer ‘n gemengde skool oor min spanne. Dan kan die vraag mos gevra word waarom ‘n magtige seunskool soos Paul Roos nie ook 30 spanne het nie!
@Snelvuur (Comment #103)
Moedig dit beslis aan.
Ek moet noem dit is baie maklik om dit te bewerkstellig as jy die getalle het.
Jy vergeet baie maklik dat HJS 850 seuns is, Gim slegs 550 vs n Affies/PRG/Grey met 1200/1300 + seuns..
@Rainier (Comment #110)
Indeed! It’s good to see that there are now rankings for soccer too. The rankings will also only get better as more and more schools submit their results. Even in the last ranking for 2023 (https://saschoolsports.co.za/school-football-rankings-24-10-23/) the list is far more complete than the one you posted from August. Bit disappointing to see basically no Afrikaans schools (apart from PRG) on the rankings at all.
https://saschoolsports.co.za/school-soccer-rankings-24-08-2023/
Interesting reading. Not too much soccer played north of the Jukskei.
@Grizzly (Comment #107)noem net die feite ou grote
@Grizzly (Comment #107)
Ek is nie bewus van ‘n Kaizer Chiefs speler nie, maar sedert sokker rerig vlamgevat het in PRG rondom 2015/16, het PRG reeds spelers opgelewer wat professioneel gaan speel het, insluitende ‘n paar wat in die plaaslike ligas speel en een wat na Malaga in Spanje se akademie toe geteken is. Laasjaar het een van PRG se leerders ook die SA o17-sokkerspan gehaal. PRG het definitief nie die beste skole-sokkerspan in die land nie – die ranglyste sê dit vir jou – maar dit is van die min sterk rugbyskole wat ook ‘n kompeterende sokkerspan op die veld kan sit.
Daar is ook nou ‘n sokkerakademie wat vir jong kinders aangebied word. Die beskikbaarheid van sokker maak die skool ook vir ‘n breër demografie van leerders aanloklik – wat fantasties is.
@boerboel (Comment #88)
Ai ou Boere gaan jy hierdie jaar try om n ander emoji ook te gebruik.Ek moet egter se die groen pas jou.As Garsies iemand in die Kaap soek vlieg hulle hom op.Hoekom sal hulle city to city busse gebruik as hulle n 10mil astro turf hokkie baan het.
@JongMatie (Comment #93)
Moet asb nie daai /14 spannetjie seer maak en te ver wen nie.Stop die game se as Paul Roos 60 op is.Miskien word daar letsels gelaat en van hulle besluit om sokker te gaan speel.
@Snelvuur (Comment #103)
Niks fout met sokker nie.Het julle al n Kiezer chiefs speler op gelewer?
Am I the oly one that was impressed with Rustenburg the other day when they played Grey Cherries? Big pack and a physically imposing team overall. Anyone know if they are starting to put some things together?
@Djou (Comment #99)
Eish, is dit dan nou sleg om meer as een sport aan te bied en aan te moedig? Jy klink soos HJS se hoof wat sokker weggevat het om te verhoed dat rugbyspelers liewer sokker gaan speel. Ek is dalk bevooroordeeld, maar ek dink dit moet as ‘n positief gesien word as ‘n skool aan ‘n groot hoeveelheid sporte deelneem en kan kompeteer. PRG stoot in die winters sterk rugby-, hokkie- en sokkerspanne op die veld. Wat is fout daarmee?
@Djou (Comment #100)
Where did I say that giving bursaries is at all as bad as steroid use? Please quote it to me, because I don’t see it anywhere in either of my comments.
Please also let me know why you think I am posing a bogus dilemma. I don’t think I am oversimplifying the scenario at all. What has happened in schools rugby over the last few years shows that for as long as bursaries are allowed, you need to give bursaries in order to compete. PRG tried to compete without doing it, and fell behind. Without giving bursaries when others can, you cannot compete. So, unless bursaries are banned across the board, those that can will keep giving them. How am I oversimplifying this scenario?
Also, you have not answered what evidence you would need to see to be convinced that bursaries have a net negative effect. It is difficult to understand why you would not do so.
@Tang (Comment #58)
I very rarely comment on this site, but in this instance I think that I need to as a lot of your comments on the Theo Jackson Scholarship in particular could be extremely misleading to many readers.
The Theo Jackson Fund was never set up as a sporting scholarship, but rather an opportunity to afford boys who face extraordinary personal challenges an opportunity to a quality education. The majority of these boys go through an interview process and are certainly not targeted for sporting ability as you allude to. As it is, the overwhelming majority of these boys are offered bursaries in their Grade 8 and 9 years and not recruited to bolster a rugby team in their grade 11 or 12 year.
I obviously do not have stats, but I would imagine that like any scholarship program there will always be a percentage of those boys that have an aptitude for sport. Also remember that a large part of their skill would have been enhanced by the quality of coaching that Jeppe provides, one could argue that this gift could have been neglected had they not received the scholarship. I understand that PBHS does not offer sporting scholarships, but I am led to believe that Pretoria Boys does offer a number of academic scholarships – I am willing to bet there is a percentage of those academic recipients are also good sportsmen which is an added bonus. This is similar to the Theo Jackson Scholarship Fund recipients.
As to what these boys have to do in return – the answer is simple, do the best that they can. These boys are encouraged to take an active involvement in all that the school offers, the vast majority of these boys not only achieve in the classroom, but are involved in the drama club, in the choir or pipe band. They get involved in everything, the majority of these boys leave the school as well rounded and balanced young men which I believe is something that your own alma mater strives for. You seem to forget that for every boy that is playing in the first team rugby, hockey or whatever sport of their choice – there is 8 or 9 boys playing in the 6th or 7th team.
I can’t comment on old boys that fund the educations of talented rugby players, but I suspect that it would be very naive to think that this doesn’t happen in a lot of schools. Unless you know how every single boy at Pretoria Boys is paying their school fees, are you able to rule out one or two boys are being funded?
There should never be an expectation that you will beat any other school, it would be nice if every fixture was a close game, but these results will often go in waves of dominance. A lot of the success comes down to not only the coaching structure but also the succession planning of those structures – Jeppe were caught cold when Jake White left the school and it took years for Jeppe rugby to recover from that. From the outside looking in, it feels like Pretoria Boys have gone through a similar period when Paul Anthony left, sure a handful of scholarships might help but don’t forget the exceptional work that the coaching staff have done. I also suspect that Pretoria Boys rugby is very much on the up – and it feels like a period of dominance against Jeppe might be around the corner, and I fully expect to receive some friendly banter from my Boys High mates when it does happen.
I am sorry for the rant, but it does feel like your posts completely disregard what the Theo Jackson Fund means to a lot people in the Jeppe community – to many boys over the last 20 years that bursary has been an absolute life changer!!
@Snelvuur (Comment #82)
Ai, you actually did!
Nevertheless, it is difficult to understand why an intelligent person like you used a “false argument”, mixed with what is termed “the bogus dilemma” in an attempt to justify your view!
@JongMatie (Comment #86)
Hoekom het Paul Roos nie meer spanne as Affies nie? Julle nehoort mos met al jul talent waaroor jy so spog by verre die meeste spanne te hê!
O, nou onthou ek, julle verkies mos hokkie!
@JongMatie (Comment #95)
Het jy op jou kop geval?
@Surgite (Comment #96)
Good to hear!
@Vleis (Comment #91)
With regards to Parktown. The school is definitely on the up again. The rugby programme is in a bit of a slump at the moment, it has to be said. Hopefully they can remedy that. However the hockey is thriving. Last season they had the most provincial representatives in Southern’s (30 plus boys selected). With an innovative headmaster like Kevin Stippel at the helm they are in good hands.
They could definitely do well to follow the lead of KES and Jeppe. Both schools have done extremely well to involve their Old Boys and build fantastic projects.
@Rugbyman (Comment #94)
Miskien soos Menlo n atletiekskool raak?
@JongMatie (Comment #93)
Ons probeer elke jaar beter doen in terme van seuns wat speel. Rekord getal seuns by ons proewe gewees die jaar. Die uitdaging is maar net om games vir hulle te reel, anders hou hulle op.
@Rugbyman (Comment #92)
Dit klink beter as verlede jaar..
@JongMatie (Comment #86)
Ag kom ek antwoord jou sommer en dan kan jy jou vriend om die braaivleis vuur inlig. Ons het A tot D spanne in o/14 en o/15, A tot C by o/16, 1 tot 5/6 bo. Volgende jaar sal ons A tot D hê van o14 tot o16.
Hoop dit antwoord jou vraag
In terms of Jeppe, you guys have a very good team and you will be VERY competitive this year. Spoke to your rugby guys last night and we aim to have a full fixture next year with all our teams! We will even cross the Jukskei for that next year
. Thanks for the spirit in all the games! You can be proud of your school and coaches!
@Tang (Comment #84)
To me, it’s disingenuous to berate the approach of Jeppe/KES/etc when out the other side of your mouth, you criticise PBHS for not doing same. In any event, let’s not dwell on that point. Remember that Theo Jackson, TAG, etc are funds started by old boys, who source the funding and the needy kids (not all sportsmen – e.g. I’m sponsoring a kid who plays u15E rugby)…so it’s up to the PBHS old boys to start something similar. You certainly have the right headmaster and 1st team coach at the moment, so it’s the final piece of the jigsaw puzzle, I reckon.
I’m not a KES or Jeppe old boy, but I was extremely proud of both schools (almost brought a tear to my eye) after their clashes at Jeppe in 2022 and 2023. The former resulted in a last minute Jeppe loss on their reunion day and the latter a tight win for Jeppe. Both schools played with ferocious intensity, but displayed exemplary sportsmanship afterwards. The goal is to slowly increase the number of schools like Jeppe and KES as it’s great for the country. Indeed, after one of those clashes (while sinking a beer in the tent) a senior Jeppe chap said that both KES and Jeppe would like to help Parktown get up to their level again.
@boerboel (Comment #88)
Was nogals snaaks toe Willem Strauss nou die dag n veldtog van stapel stuur – localtalent/homebrew/fromgrassroots..
Ek het maar net my kop geskud..
@Vleis (Comment #87)
Haha, sharp sister in law!
I remember quite well 2013 against St Albans. The final score in our u14A game was 93-0. That team compared to the one that would run on 4 years later in 2017 was like day and night. Everything changed so much. St Albans would 100% have beaten Jeppe in 2017 if we played, I have no doubt in my mind.
@JongMatie (Comment #86)
hang mos maar af hoeveel busse van die boland pta toe gery het
@wanza_15 (Comment #85) I hear you. I remember that 2017 1st team year so well because my son was u15A at St Alban’s in 2013. He got concussed the week before the game away to Jeppe in 2013, so he took three separate concussion tests with three separate people until he passed; however, the san sister saw through his scheme and banned him from playing against Jeppe. While walking to the field to support his u15A teammates the u14A game was just finishing…and St Alban’s lost by 91!
As my son was so tiny, he got a lot of chirps from the Jeppe supporters who thought that he was u14 
.
You can imagine how stunned I was when I went to watch the St Alban’s 1st team in 2017 (the u14s from 2013) put over 50 points past Bennies, who had just beaten Jeppe the week before.
In any case, you need the tough years to appreciate the good years.
Het Garsie Bere nou al meer rugbyspanne?
Ek vra namens n vriend..
@Vleis (Comment #81)
I was big on the stats and and numbers and 2017 made for grim grim reading. It was statically one of the worst first teams we had in very long, I will try and recall the sheet I did with my mate.
We lost to St Benedicts, St Johns, we survived Parktown and St Stithians.
2017 was my matric year, it was hell on earth, we were really bad, but I guess it goes to show how having good overall structures in place is good, what I mean is that, as bad as the 1st team was that particular year, there wasn’t really much panic for what this meant for the long term, Jeppe overall was in a good place and this would just be a speed bumb. The frustration would lay with us as the matrics, there’s nothing fun about being a loser matric group. We were very frustrated with the situation given what we’d witnessed in the past 4 years at Jeppe – it really felt like we were letting everyone down, but we were never let down. It was Spilhaus’ first year as you mention, and he sort of “inherited” the team, didn’t really understand much, it showed in a lot of his team selections that year. That said, we were quite a depleted group of matrics as far as who was still available to play, our captain since u14 had a niggling shoulder injury his whole time at Jeppe and needed surgery on it, which he never wanted to get done, he then went for the surgery and just was never the same. Then if you recall the 2016 winger, after the big 3 of Tyrone Greene, Wandi Simelane and Hacjivah Dayimani, there was a winger called Manga Ntimba, he was the next go to, exceptional finisher – in 2017 he’d tear his ACL in pre season against Kempton Park. And then recall I mentioned on here we lost a lot of out scholarship boys for various reasons, we had just 1 left come matric. All while the opposite was happening at KES leading up to 2017, they were building a monster of a team. Remember it like it was yesterday. Away at KES, they kept our first team waiting for a good 6 or 7 minutes on the field before they came out, strolling as they do, the biggest smiles on their faces, it was over before it started.
@Ringo (Comment #79)
@Ringo – I think you have totally missed the point of my post. In fact, you actually make my argument. Before I progress, here are a few corrections:
1) Aiden Markram was not on a JK Scholarship. He paid full price to attend PBHS.
2) Donovan Ferreira was on a JK Scholarship and he has gone on to play for the Proteas. Donovan was also an exceptionally talented hockey player.
3) Go to the JK website and watch the video of the PBHS boy who, thanks to the JK foundation, is now an actuary. In my opinion, this is the best case of how scholarships are meant to work.
4) It is totally unacceptable if any PBHS boy, parent, teacher or old boy ever referred to a Jeppe boy as a jail bird. It is a characterization which is deeply offensive and has no place in traditional rivalries.
@Vleis, you are 100% correct. I am conflicted by the whole approach of hiring school boys to improve your sports program. Clearly my views or thoughts on how PBHS should remain competitive are not finding their way into school policy. I’m not, however, being disingenuous. As of right now, PBHS don’t use a scholarship fund to win sports fixtures.
Many bloggers who have replied to my post use a whataboutism approach to counter my argument.
Boys High give JK scholarships. Boys High approached one under 14 rugby player, etc. In matters such as these facts are important. PBHS don’t use a scholarship program, such as the Theo Jackson fund, to influence results. PBHS don’t have old boys funding students so they can influence sports results! PBHS don’t have a sponsors logo, other than the kit logo, on any of their first team kit!
I get the feeling many Jeppe Old Boys and teachers were sick of losing to traditional rivals and used a scholarship fund to change the equation. That is my point of view and does not represent an overall PBHS view. In my opinion, Jeppe have changed the traditional rivalry between the schools. History supports my contention. Jeppe have won 90% of the recent first team games (over the last decade). Prior to Jeppe offering scholarships, through funds and old boys, they would win between 35% and 45% of fixtures. Please try and change my mind that I have missed the point.
I haven’t been offensive or disingenuous in my posts. If I have caused offense by having a point of view, I’m very sorry.
Huge respect for what Jeppe achieved – that turnaround story surely put them in the Top3 of school turnarounds the last 30 years.
@Djou (Comment #71)
Ai, Djou. I’m not comparing steroids to bursaries and saying that they are equally bad or equally illegal. My point was that if steroids were not illegal, all athletes would have to use them or risk falling behind. In the same way, unless there is some rule against bursaries, schools have to give them or risk falling behind. Everyone else understood the analogy and if you were not so defensive about bursaries out of the gate, perhaps you would too.
Indeed, I do not have empirical evidence that bursaries are bad – I also do not know of any studies looking into this. But what metrics would you be satisfied with to show that bursaries have a net negative effect? The fact that talent is becoming ever-more concentrated in certain schools? That much is already apparent from the Craven Week teams. The fact that schools who do not give bursaries cannot compete with those that do? That much is clear from the rankings every year. The fact that the gap is growing between those that have and those that have not? Surely you cannot dispute that this is the case – it is so clearly apparent right throughout the country. So what evidence exactly would you need to conclude that the practice is bad?
@wanza_15 (Comment #80)
I was chatting to Jeppe’s head of cricket in 2014 and, if I remember correctly, he said that there were over 1,000 applications for the 200 gr8 spots that year, whereas there had only been 180 applications some five years earlier. I heard a similar story re Garsies after their 100 point loss to Kloof many years ago. Tang seems to be a good oke, but is being disingenuous in this instance, as even he has been taken to task on this forum, by a PBHS representative, for bemoaning PBHS’s outdated approach to rugby recruitment, etc.
If you were a 2013 intake, then you experienced (suffered) the severe teething problems when Spilhaus took over the 1st team in 2017. I suspect that the 2017 results were probably worse than 2004.
That said, the 1st team had a great 2018, so clearly managed to sort things out.
@Ringo (Comment #79)
Sounds rough. I can’t imagine all that. I know it was bad.
The 2012 Malcolm Marx and co story was still fresh in the corridors when I got there as a grade 8 in 2013. I’d say the school began transitioning in 2010. 2012/2013 it really took off.
I know in 09 we caught perhaps the biggest hiding in the history of the fixture.
What is the teddy bear picnic? I ask hesitantly..?
@wanza_15 (Comment #68)
Between 2002 and 2009 the school was really tethering on the rocks school fees collection issues and the general decline that all Model C schools seem to go through plagued Jeppe… in 2002 yes we won the second leg in double header which were rare back then it was glorious day one of the best Jeppe Kes games I ever saw that one and the 2012 will never forget the sight of Shabangu smashing Malcolm Marx as Marx rashed on to field coming from SA schools trials that was one of the loudest roars and cheers I ever heard…. but overall
02 – 09 things were quite bad culminated in the infamous teddy bear picnic I really thought that was in poor taste what the Kes old boys did that day …. At one point the school went down to just two Hostels Oribi and Tsetsebee…it was bleak …..we as an old boy community should be thankful and proud of what the Jackson’s have done …… Private public partnerships are what we all need to save this country we all love ❤️….. Jeppe is proof that good selfless leaders are what is needed to change our society…. the school is in fantastic place and not just because of rugby results just overall as a melting pot of a dynamic ever changing city of gold …. I am a proud Jeppe old boy…. win or lose on the rugby
field ……Every time I pass the I marvel at state institution not in decline but improving and creating a future worthy of its past ….. I think as boys schools go it is rare to go back and say wow this is better than when I was here ….Certainly I see and say that everytime I go there
@Wonder (Comment #75)
That u14 score reminds me of one my younger brother caught from Pretoria Boys High back in 2003 his u14 a team lost 114 nil ….. then four years later they turned it around think at 1st team they only lost 21-12 or something like that…..I always said to my brother that whatever margin they reduce between the teams they must take as a victory 86 points considering that a u14 is only 20 minutes each way is one way traffic ….. hardlines to the boys
@Wonder (Comment #75)
Dit is ‘n besondere wen oor ‘n Jeppe span, klink na ‘n bitter goeie span met groot potensiaal.
Might be mistaken but I once heard Jacques Kallis say he was paying the school fees of some cricketers at Boys High if I am not mistaken one Aiden Markram could have also been a beneficiary of the Jacques Kallis foundation scholarship….. but I guess that is traditional scholarship stepped in elitism hence not for sale like how we commoners would want to improve the lives of South Africans from all walks of life…… in a country were we all constantly bemoan the decline of state infrastructure…. surely a story like that of what the Jackson’s did at Jeppe and what Mr Hurvitzs is try to continue
should be lauded but alas @Tang it is funny how there was nothing wrong with the Bruma auto BMW logo back in the day when Boys High used to give us 50 and call us jail birds ….. talk about pots and kettles calling each other names…… Did you ever imagine that maybe some of us like our billboard for sale rugby and hockey T-shirts…… elitists entitlement much
@garsieboy (Comment #73)
Daai 86/0 maak vir ‘n goeie gemiddelde telling🤐🤐🤐
@Garsieoldboy (Comment #67)
Dankie.
Some really really impressive stuff from the garsies u14 and u15 teams👀2 wins from 2 now. An excellent performance today from the u14s winning 86-0 and it’ll surely give them confidence for their next game against Paul roos. Garsies junior rugby on the rise and it’s absolutely wonderful to see. All the teams(1st,2nd,15A and 14A) won today. Only the 16A lost their game but great stuff overall!! Really liking this fixture between garsies and jeppe these last 2 years. Definitely an exciting fixture so far.
I’ve heard anecdotally that Pretoria Boys do offer rugby bursaries, a very promising young u 14 player at a rival school was approached after their game last year…
@Snelvuur (Comment #61)
Pathetic analogy to compare steroids with bursaries to prove a point. Steroids are illegal, by law. If you read the schools act and its regulations, you will note bursaries are permitted.
Also, you state yoi hear about this and hear about that and witnessed this and that. We need real evidence to indicate bursaries/scolarships are bad. So, the onus is on you to bring the research and evidence.
I will change my mind when you bring proper evidence.
@wanza_15 (Comment #69)
I arrived late with Jeppe leading 19-10.
Jeppe has a massive pack and their wings must surely run the 100m in close to 10 seconds. Speed galore!
Very enjoyable match with weak defense, as the scoreline indicates. Lots of rustiness. Garsies were tentative as if they were scared of injuries. But they played much better in the second half, save for some defensive lapses.
Both teams in need of match fitness, which is to be expected. But congrats to both teams for tthe great spirit and making a spectacle of it.
@Garsieoldboy (Comment #67)
💔😭.
Good game nonetheless would you say?
@Ringo (Comment #64)
2004 I know was a very different time at Jeppe. You did win in 2002?
It has definitely gotten friendlier by the years, but it’s been earned, they have to sit up and take notice now.
When it comes to KES for me I always felt the entitlement they had to beating Jeppe, almost like it is something that absolutely has to happen.. It would give me more motivation to win. Entitlement comes from somewhere though, according to me it’s the dominance they’ve had over us, years they’d win 5 or 6 times in a row if you go back and look.
It’s changed a lot the more now, we are able to get results, and while the feeling amongst the older old boys who enjoyed their time at KES against Jeppe might still be that of entitlement, if you ask “newer” old boys, maybe from 2010, you’ll have a different Jeppe-KES conversation with them. Off the field I’ve seen some unfortunate things happen on derby day, and at KES fest, some old boys’ passion really boils over, even the school boys sometimes. People really take this stuff seriously.
@Jakkals (Comment #65)
Garsfontein taking the win, 37-31 after leading 37-19 with about 10 minutes to go. Garsie under 14s also racking up points winning 86-0 and the 2nd xv winning 17-7. Few good results for Garsies so far
@Jakkals (Comment #65)
From what I heard garsies won the game 37-31. Jeppe with 2 late tries in the last 5 minutes.
What happened with Garsies & Jeppe today?
Very nicely put @Roger I am agreeing with a KES boy might get struck down by lightning need salvation @wanza_15 love your passion this year is my 20 year reunion and when I was at Jeppe we could not beat KES or Boys High in a month of Sundays…. now I think we last lost to Boys High in 2017 ….. it has been a glorious run and long may it rein …….Also loving how competitive the Kes fixture has been in the last 10 years …. Although I personally dislike the Reds I see a different relationship between your generation with them
@Snelvuur (Comment #61)
Nicely put.
I cannot fault anything you say.
This is a proper granular evaluation of the situation.
You are spot on when you make mention of the transition to the bright lights of the city, it’s not always that straightforward and in fact it is a case of more times that not, they struggle, and it begs the question of how happy the boy really is.
The culture shock, sometimes it’s a language barrier, or the way one just thinks differently. You are very right. These may form all the reasons Pretoria don’t want to perhaps.
But purely from the point of wanting to be competitive on the rugby field, unfortunately, you are left with no choice though as a school, as you mention, and you need to be competitve, I know Pretoria Boys yearn to be great again, and there is only 1 way it can happen.
@Tang – I have the greatest respect for PBHS and after St Johns, they are KES’s oldest rival on the sports field. I am guessing you and I are of a similar era and I have many friends (and family) who are Boys high old boys, but my thinking on this topic has evolved over the years, to the point where I believe Boys High have got it wrong. Model C schools like KES and Jeppe receive minuscule funding from the Gauteng Education department. Without the support of old boys, parents, donors and sponsors, these schools as we know them would very quickly spiral to the bottom. Look no further than Athlone, Highlands North, Potch Boys High and Parktown (who are fighting very hard). Successful sports programs attract pupils, parents and sponsors – and sponsors, donors and old boys want to be associated with a successful brand – it’s that simple. You don’t have to sell your soul to compete successfully – KES and Jeppe are examples of that – they are possibly the most diverse and transformed Boys schools in SA that have also maintained their success in the classroom and on the sports fields and upheld more than a century of tradition and, through scholarships, donors and bursaries, have provided opportunities for under privileged boys to experience life at world class schools. Rather than knocking the Theo Jackson Fund or the TAG foundation, you should be praising them for the work they do at these schools and if a jersey sponsorship or two pays the bill for participation at an inter-schools in Natal or a festival in Cape Town then so be it.
@wanza_15 (Comment #60)
I actually think there are merits to both sides of this debate. In principle, I agree with our friend from Pretoria: the rise in professionalism where schoolboys are signed as sportsmen is not a great development. It has come to the point where if a school has a good first team lacking, e.g., a good flyhalf, they can enter into the market and get one from either a poorer school or by offering said player a bigger scholarship (or a bigger bakkie, for that matter) than the school currently funding his studies.
As for the fact that these kids now have better opportunities: that may well be so, but I also think it is too general a statement to make across the board. Firstly, because some are signed from good schools (as your own example shows) and, secondly, because the degree to which kids adapt to and make use of the opportunities afforded by this new environment depends on the support they are given. I have known of multiple kids who are signed to premier rugby programmes and either don’t make matric or just scrape through. How is this kid now set up better for the future than without the scholarship? So, yes, there are success stories, but every such story isn’t one.
It also results in the concentration of talent in certain schools, which furthers the divide between the haves and the have-nots. As you note, a good rugby programme boosts a school’s image. The corollary of buying players from smaller rugby programmes, then, is that the schools that are good (and have money) become better (and richer) and the others do not. The results of this should jar us, especially as South Africans.
The other side, of course, is that it is impossible to compete if you do not give bursaries. PRG tried it in the early 2010s and fell behind. It’s similar to steroid use in sport: unless there is a law preventing steroid use, you have to use it or fall behind. The only way to get to a place where bursaries are not given, is for there to be a prohibition on it. If not, the battle of the biggest bakkie will continue.
@Tang (Comment #58)
Yes the Teljoy CEO or something is an old boy if I’m not mistaken. And yes you are correct regarding the hockey as well, but these are sponsorships? Our hockey is quite strong and attracts them left right and centre, and as far as rugby is concerned, if you are Johannesburg based and want to align yourself with an English-medium school to advertise your brand, you really only have 2 options. I see absolutely no issue with sponsors. The thing to understand here is that a sponsor wants to sponsor, we don’t force them, and yes we will say yes to being sponsored, it helps us financially, we’d be fools not to.
Coming to your question, you are funded with the “expectation” that you continue to showcase the talent you clearly have, and enjoy yourself on the field, win or lose – it isn’t results or anything like that.
To add, Theo Jackson doesn’t only take gifted sportsman from grade 7, the scholarship is the biggest of its kind in SA to take any disadvantaged child. You dont have to be good at sports to qualify for it, like many other scholarships at other schools, but there is a certain “number” within it per year that is dedicated just for rugby and hockey players. In my time at Jeppe, there were even instances of boys who’d stop playing the sport altogether due to various reasons, or boys that we’d buy as u14A players, but end up in 2nd or 3rd team come matric. My specific tenure at Jeppe, in grade 8, our u14A team had 8 scholarship boys, but the u19A team come matric only had 1 left. We lost 2 to Monnas, 2 fell out of love with rugby so they played socials, like 4th and 5ths, 1 got expelled, 1 left on his own accord, but all 8 besides maybe the expelled boy have a shot at life now, not necessarily rugby only, but by virtue of coming to Jeppe and the bright lights of Johannesburg, they have ended up in various different fields. The idea is to pull you out of an unfortunate situation and put you in an environment that increases your odds at success in life.
Now, fortunately or unfortunately, a good rugby programme boosts a school’s image. It’s definitely a method to grow reputation these days. It’s just the way things are. The relevance of a an all Boys school lies a great deal (not completely) on their sports and that winter season especially. If you agree with this, and Boys High old boys at large agree with this too, then the question has to be why the school doesn’t invest in being great again.
I have a Boys High friend, quite a passionate guy, Solomon House 2017, after a few beers we get on to arguing about our schools, obviously haha. He too likes to bring up this thing of Boys High not offering scholarships and so they’re more “pure” and blah blah blah, my response to this is, “how’s it working out for you?” Because it clearly isn’t working. Your rivals do it, they’re beating you every year you play them, and more importantly, they’re fully functional and good running schools, what exactly are Pretoria Boys trying to preserve or protect with this approach of theirs? Because the cracks will soon begin to leak if they haven’t already.
@Tang (Comment #58)
Cry me a river.
Then PBHS has not evolved. This is not the 80s. Sport and specifically rugby is professional, and a career that opens up doors to university degrees and has helped lots of players provide for their families. Maybe watch Chasing the Sun part 1, before part 2 releases in a couple of days.
If your school dont support recruiting players to improve the standard of rugby at your school, then so be it, but dont take that away from other schools. By the way PBHS being a government school has probably one of the most expensive school fees Ive seen, so not too many kids can just choose to go their, feels a little bit entitled come to think of it. Then stop playing against any schools who recruit or help players or take sponsorships. Let’s see how many matches you get a year. You surely have access to one of the richest men alive, why wont you use it to give more scholars free education or grow the sport at the school.
And definitely sponsors who pay would like to advertise their brand,they pay a lot of money to help the team and school improve. Tell me you can walk past any swoosh in the world without knowing it is a Nike.
@wanza_15 (Comment #54)
@Wanza_15 On the Jeppe First Team Rugby Jersey all you see is Teljoy! The First Team Hockey Jersey is even worse. It’s covered with sponsors logos – TWC in luminous green.
I’m well aware that many boys schools use school bursary schemes to recruit talented sportsmen under the guise of giving them an opportunity for a free education and a shot at a better future. What do the boys on bursaries have to do in return? Play sport for the school?
I was looking at PBHS vs Jeppe results and until very recently the results showed that PBHS would win 2 out of 3. Don’t you think it’s strange that since the advent of the Theo Jackson Scholarship fund, Jeppe rugby has improved so significantly. I happen to be a huge admirer of the transformation at Jeppe over the last few years but I’m not an admirer of recruiting talented sportsmen to boost the image of the school! In addition to the Theo Jackson boys, I know several Jeppe Old Boys fund talented rugby players. When you now have the expectation that you will beat PBHS, remember PBHS don’t use a scholarship fund to recruit players. PBHS see sport as part of a balanced curriculum not a means to boost the image of the school and appease parents and old boys.
@Smallies (Comment #55)
Grey is mos eintlik ‘n sokker skool.
@Smallies (Comment #55)
100%!
Geen twyfel dat die Kaapse skole vanjaar great spanne het.
Maar hulle vergeet die ander verbeter ook.
Ander punt, soos ek gesê het, Oos-Moot het gister geleer daar is ‘n hengse verskil tussen 1ste en 3e liga.
@Djou (Comment #44)
Ek wou nogals vir hom se klop maar eers vir Grey in Augustus…..
@Tang (Comment #51)
Yikes. Hopefully the Candies are as aggressive as what you are in this message come Saturday lol.
I wish you’d be a little more direct in what you mean in that last part? I
I do know that Jeppe goes to the depths of South Africa to find talented young boys who would otherwise would never have had an opportunity, hones their skills while they recieve an education for free, and ultimately gives them a chance at life. This happens at a lot of boys schools these days if you weren’t aware. “Selling their jersey to the highest bidder”? What jersey? What on Earth are you talking about🤣🤣?
@wanza_15 (Comment #52)
Too much of a congested fixture list to postpone I think. Like your comments on the KES fixture. Marco says the Reds will just have to be ready. Will be there to watch but a massive task on our first game out against Norries
@Grant (Comment #49)
I thought as much, something along these lines.
Thanks for the clarity.
I think maybe the Garsfontein game should’ve just been canceled or postponed to an altogether different date. Still behind the Alma mater, still should be a good game.
@Wanza – who won’t tolerate anything less than a convincing Jeppe win against Boys High? Are you referring to the Jeppe parents and old boys who condone hiring boys to play rugby and selling the jersey to the highest bidder?
Menlo meer af gerond vanaand as die naweek teen Eldoraigne. Menlo 48 – 7 Oos-Moot. Lynstane en verdedeging die verskil.
Oos-Moot se eerste wedstyd vir die seisoen dit kan net beter.
@wanza_15 (Comment #45)
Today was the funeral for Kaiden Bowie. Game had to be postponed to tomorrow.
@Britte (Comment #47)
Ja nee die games in die middel van die week is maar nie dieselfde nie. Nie dieselfde atmosfeer,motivering en intensie nie. Die afronding vandag was nie naastenby dieselfde as teen Kempton Park nie. Nie ‘n mooi game gewees vandag nie maar glo lesse is geleer. Skopwerk kort ook aandag
@jakes (Comment #46)
Ja die uncontested scrums het game heeltemal verander en EG se afronding was uiters swak,maar niks wat hul nie Kan uitsort. Dink nog hul gaan groot factor wees in Noorvaal.
EGJANSEN VS TRANSVALIA
GARSIES -JEPPE POSTPONED TO FROM TUESDAY TO WEDNESDAY 13TH 18:00
I wonder who the pioneer of this decision was?
My immediate thoughts are that Jeppe maybe needed an extra day to recentre themselves after the tragic passing?
If it affected the school this badly then I think I’d have canceled the Garsfontein game altogether – our fixture list is already loaded. 24 hours less rest time, and the commute from Pretoria midweek after 18:00 for me only made sense for a Tuesday, especially considering Boys High lay in wait on Saturday.
We should’ve just played an in house game against each other.
I trust everyone knows what they’re doing however. As mentioned earlier, anything else but a comfortable win against Pretoria Boys on Saturday won’t be tolerated.
@JongMatie (Comment #39)
Verkeerd, … as jy Grey klop en as die Wynlandskole ook die skole in die noorde klop.
Werk andersom ook.
Predictions
W Cape:
Bishops 44 – 14 Windhoek (home comforts)
Rondebosch 19 – 25 Oakdale (cant stop crashing centers)
Stellenberg 18 – 15 Paarl Gim (Jade over Pearl)
Paul Roos 17 – 16 Drosdty (would love a Drosdty snotklap)
Outeniqua 23 – 18 Boland Landbou (liplek lekker game)
JvR 16 – 52 Porterville (easy win, not going to lie)
Milnerton 21 – 18 St Charles (De Allende legacy grows)
Predictions
Freestate:
Grey v Cherries oefenwedstryd (Building depth)
Predictions
KZN:
Kearsney 19 – 17 Durban High School (tight, DHS rusty)
Westville 20 – 19 Michaelhouse (tight, Westville urgent)
Hilton 33 – 18 Northwood (not enough wood)
Maritzburg College 36 – 17 Clifton (College at a canter)
Predictions:
N Vaal:
Garsfontein 20 – 20 Jeppe (Garsies peaked in 2022 and 23)
Noordheuwel 21 – 25 King Edward’s (Noord Who?Ville)
Helpmekaar 18 – 38 AHS (Affies lag lag)
Kempton Park 12 – 48 Waterkloof (going to be a long slog for Kempies this year)
Hugenote 30 – 26 Klerksdorp (Klerksdorp will be no. 2 in Klerksdorp this year, I.e after Wesvalia)
St David’s 10 – 50 St John’s (St John’s will rotate and take the foot off the gas…lucky for St D)
Monnas 27 – 11 Welkom Gim (Monnas lag lag)
Menlopark 28 – 21 Oos Moot (if Moot’s trajectory is in the same direction as ’23 it could be closer)
@Djou (Comment #37)
Jy kan slegs jou jaar as n ‘GOUE’ bestempel as jy die Wynlandskole klop.
@Snelvuur (Comment #31)
Ek moet wel noem, dit is hoogtyd dat ons vir n slag n goeie span het. Laas so gevoel in 1991. Huidige rekord teen die groot kanonne is maar power..
@OudAffie (Comment #23)
Ek bedoel die o.16 uitslag was ‘n uitskieter vergeleke met die ander en telling kon laer wees as dit 2 volspanne was.
Geen twyfel dat Affies ‘n briljante o.16-span gehad het verlede jaar. Trouens, al die juniors was puik. Paar goue jare wat wag.
Garsies Jeppe is geskuif na more toe.
18h00 by Bere Park.
@JongMatie (Comment #28)
Time will tell
@Snelvuur (Comment #33)
Ek stem saam met jou. Dink AHS teen Paul Roos en Hoër Jonegskool puik interskole sou wees in die Kaap en PTA (Apart nou). Ek dink so interskole was kortliks probeer in 2008, maar het nie verder as 1 jaar gegaan nie. Ook nie seker hoekom nie. Dit blyk ook dat Affies net ruimte het vir 1 Kaapse wals op die oomblik. Affies se groot Interskole/Toere buite Gauteng is tans:
Kimberley: Diamantveld en verskeie skole
Pietermaritzburg: Maritzburg Kollege
Bloemfontein: Grey Kollege
Paarl: Paarl Gimnasium
In die verlede al Durban toe vir Glenwood/Westville. Dink net om 2x per jaar, of dan 1x per jaar< Paarl Gim en dan volgende jaar wanneer hulle in PTA is dan Paul Roos in die Kaap (D.W.S altyd 'n kaapse interskole) gaan net te duur wees om elke keer 2/3 van die skool af te vlieg. Maar ek stem, dink dit sou absoluut puik gewees het vir so Interskole
@OudAffie (Comment #32)
Dit bly vir my bitter, bitter jammer dat daar nie ‘n groot interskole tussen PRG en Affies is nie. PRG is van die min skole wat Affies “pound-for-pound” die stryd kan aansê wat diepte oor sportsoorte heen betref (en vice versa). Ek verstaan dat dit moeilik is met die hoeveelheid toere en met die huidige bepalings, maar ek dink dit sou baie sin maak vir beide skole om een van hul bestaande toere (moontlik Diamantveld vir Affies en Grey PE vir PRG) te skrap om ruimte vir só ‘n interskole te maak.
@JongMatie (Comment #28)
Dit gaan ‘n enorme wedstryd wees by Noord Suid en ek kan jou verseker Affies teiken hierdie wedstryd. Die twee skole is uiters naby die laaste 10 jaar en wen nie sommer 2 wedstryde in ‘n ry nie:
AHS teen Paul Roos (1946-2023)
Gespeel: 23
AHS: 10
Paul Roos: 11
Gelykop: 2
1946: AHS wen 6-3
1952: Paul Roos wen 8-3
1953: Gelykop 6-6
1976: Paul Roos wen 15-13
1978: AHS wen 32-12
1979: Paul Roos wen 31-12
1992: Paul Roos wen 4-8
1999: Paul Roos wen 26-23
2000: AHS wen 32-29
2005: AHS wen 19-7
2006: Paul Roos wen 25-7
2007: Paul Roos wen 22-15
2008: Gelykop 17-17
2009: AHS wen 25-22
2010: AHS wen 18-6
2011: AHS wen 28-25
2012: Paul Roos wen 32-22
2013: AHS wen 17-10
2015: Paul Roos wen 29-12
2016: AHS wen 24-17
2017: Paul Roos wen 21-14
2022: AHS wen 24-18
2023: Paul Roos wen 31-25
Wildeklawer 2023:
14A: Paul Roos wen 15-7
15A: Paul Roos wen 35-24
16A: AHS wen 32-19
Almal naby wedstryde, die volgende paar jaar se AHS/PR wedstryde gaan net die trant voorsit dat hierdie 2 skole bitter naby is aan mekaar.
Gaan groot wees in Pretoria.
@JongMatie (Comment #28)
Ek is bietjie skrikkerig vir Affies by Noord-Suid. Groot wedstryd op ‘n groot stage teen ‘n span wat al baie wedstrydfiks gaan wees na twee wegwedstryde. Paul Roos gaan op hulle beste moet wees.
Andersins, is daar maar die “usual suspects”: HJS is altyd ‘n groot wedstryd (en het die o16A wedstryd op Markötter twee jaar gelede gewen), Gim in die Paarl is nie maklik nie en Grey bly ‘n tawwe toffie om die seisoen af te sluit, selfs al is dit op Markötter. Tussen-in, is daar natuurlik nog ‘n klomp ander groot wedstryde.
Maar ja, ek deel beslis jou opwinding vir hierdie seisoen! Die span het by tye op die Ierse toer aan die einde van laasjaar soos ‘n million dollars gelyk.
@Skywalker (Comment #2)
MBC to beat Clifton by 30, House by 5 (based on Ville’s previous 2 pre season results), Hilton by 12. Agreed with DHS, they are a favorite this year, but still think Hilton & MHS have a shot at it!
@JongMatie (Comment #28)
Ek ook
Ek sal bitter verbaas wees as Paul Roos n wedstryd verloor vanjaar..
@Djou (Comment #20)
Ek dink vandag se game tussen Menlo en Oos-Moot gaan baie close wees, Menlo gaan nog so jaar of twee vat om weer heeltemal te herstel na hulle laaste twee jare se minder goeie rugby, ek was bly om te sien dat hulle ander ouderdomme by Menlo klaar opgetel het. Oos moot se o/19’s het die interhoer se aflos gewen so oos-moot het baie spoed met die nuwe kinders wat daar ingetrek is die laaste paar jaar.
Affies se o/14A span was regtig baie swak op die dag, ek was baie opgewonde vir hulle 1ste wedstryd na die vakansie teen Garsfontein se o/14 span en dat dit ‘n goeie game kon wees, maar na wat ek gesien het saterdag sal hulle baie moet werk om Garsfontein se o/14s te kan klop. Ek glo hulle het wel die talent om dit reg te ruk, die diepte is ongelooflik groot.
After some apparant much needed due dilligence, I am humbled and am here to change my prediction for the Noordheuwel vs KES clash. I just watched their Trio and Outeniqua wins and they look a solid team. I believe they will definitely benefit from being more current than KES in terms match fitness come Saturday – it’s somewhat safe to say that they’ve already “been through the wars”. This will definitely be a factor, they will be half a metre faster and sharper.
Next, they’re at home. The rule of thumb is that you get an extra 8 points for free for being the home team, right?
If it’s a close game, I have to go with the better conditioned team which “should” be Nories. If KES win then I think it will be a case of them being an overall better more talented team, which I’m not sure they are.
Around the grounds:
Garsies 27-19 Jeppe
Helpmekaar 17-32 Affies
Noordheuwel 24-17 KES
Jeppe 31-15 Pretoria Boys
Monnas 29-10 Welkom Gim
St David’s 14-28 St John’s
Parktown 19-17 St Albans
St Stithians 25-15 Bennies
@Djou (Comment #18)
Ja nee Grey vlieg bietjie onder die radar op die staduim ons sal maar sien hoe daai tamatie lyk….
@garsieboy (Comment #16)
Ek sal sê as hulle aan die klein goed kan werk wat die naweek verkeerd gegaan het, en die voorspelers aangeskakel is, voorspel ek n wen van so 5-10 punte.
@Djou (Comment #22)
Ek is bewus daarvan, kon sekerlik nie die hele B span gewees het nie. Spanne word gekruisig as hulle dit doen en moet maar die shots vat. Ek is baie seker almal gaan toustaan indien dit sou gebeur met Affies en Affies verloor lelik, hel dit gebeur wanneer Affies met hul A spanne ver verloor, ala Grey 2023
@OudAffie (Comment #19)
Ek glo jy weet Affies het basies teen Helpmekaar se o.16B’s gespeel verlede jaar. Maar hulle was op die veld as o.16A, so dis al wat tel.
Die onder 16A wedstryd gaan baie fyn dopgehou word. In 2022 het hierdie groep ook net net gewen, 15-12. In beide die onder 16’s se onder 14 en 15 jare was die wedstryde bitter naby en gelyk en kon enige van die twee spanne eintlik gewen het.
Sien uit na Menlo vs Oos-Moot. Baie mense glo Oos-Moot sou Menlo verlede jaar klop, maar daar is ‘n hengse verskil tussen 1ste en 3e liga. Maar Oos-Moot het ‘n plan om op te skuif, so dit sal interessant wees om te sien wie die 4e sterkste in Pretoria is.
Verlede Saterdag se game tussen Menlo en Eldoraigne het ons niks geleer nie weens die swetterjoel kaarte wat uitgedeel is vir tackles bo die borsbeen.
Hoop die trigger-happy refs kalmeer met die kaarte. Hulle moet ook verstaan dat jare se tackle coaching nie in ‘n week uitgesorteer gaan word nie. Gee strafskoppe en beweeg later die seisoen na kaarte wanneer spanne beter aangepas het.
Affies teen Helpmekaar laas jaar A-span uitslae:
Eerstespan: Witbulle wen 41-33
O/16A: AHS wen 55-14
O/15A: AHS wen 17-12
O/14A: AHS wen 50-3
Dit was wel in Pretoria. Gaan defnitief hierdie jaar nader wees. Sien altyd uit om Braamfontein toe te gaan vir hierdie begin van seisoen wedstryd. Dit is al ‘n geruime tyd Affies se 2de wedstryd van die jaar, maar altyd die begin van ‘n reeks harde wedstryde in ‘n ry.
@Smallies (Comment #15)
Howzit Smallies!
Baie waar, tog, die Kwaggas het nie die jaar een van hul beste spanne nie. Maar Noordheuwel het goeie werwing gedoen.
As KES dink dis ‘n maklike game gaan hulle die grootste surprise kry.
Ek is versigtig optimisties oor Grey. Masr die manne van Paarl en Stellenbosch meen hulle gaan Grey die jaar troef. So ook van my Affie-kenisse.
Helpmekaar het ‘n goeie span en nes Affies gaan hulle vir 4-5 jaar harde teenstaanders vir enige span wees. Helpmekaar o.16’s het die Noordvaal Cup maklik gewen en daar is heelwat spelers van 2023 se 1ste span wat terug is vanjaar.
Monnas vlieg onder die radar en dit alleen maak mens opgewonde. Het geen idee oor hul recruits nie.
EG se recruits het reeds gewys die Oos-Randers is ‘n vroeë gunsteling vir die Noordvaal Cup.
Lekker kyk!
Good point
@Garsieoldboy (Comment #12)
So if you had to give your prediction, by how much will Garsies take the win?
@wanza_15 (Comment #14)
You dont go down to George and beat the Kwaggas by 16 points with an avarage team ….Noorheuwel by 5
@Jakkals (Comment #13)
No I’m a Jeppe punter actually haha.
Nothing would make me happier than a Noordheuwel win, I just really know what they’re up against. You know your enemies better than you know yourself is how the saying goes or something 😏
@wanza_15 (Comment #11)
It almost sounded like you were talking about Grey Bloem or one of the Paarl schools there for a moment….obviously a big KES fan. Good luck for the season.
I expect a relatively tight affair in the Menlopark game with Menlo winning just because of home advantage. Klofies should get off to a good start, EG Jansen will almost definitely maintain their good form. As a Garsie I am a little worried about the Jeppe game but in saying that I think playing at home will give us an advantage. Noordheuwel to beat KES by 10+ points is my “bold” prediction for this week. Game for the weekend has to be Helpmekaar vs Affies though, can’t wait and I have no idea who to call but I’m going to go with Helpies for this one as they’re playing at home. Schoolboy season getting interesting now.
@Die Ken (Comment #9)
If Noories are that highly rated then it should be a good game, because it’ll take a lot to beat KES in a season opener. They’d really be making a statement if they do.
Again, I know nothing about Noordheuwel, I’m excited to see and learn about them.
If life gets hard for KES they’ll send the ball in to touch. A KES line out inside your <25 this year is the same as signing a death warrant if they're able to control the throw in – they've got an unstoppable SA Schools hooker who they have no issue going to again and again if you have no answer for him. No cheap penalties, make them have to get creative with ball in hand.
@Die Ken (Comment #8)
Ek het slegs verwys na die aantal wedstryde wat tussen die skole gespeel is. Naas PBHS is helpmekaar die 2de meeste waarteen AHS gespeel het. Ek het nie verwys na ‘n formele interskole waar al die spanne speel op verskeie gronde oor ‘n hele naweek nie. Maar ek verstaan jou punt 100%.
@wanza_15 (Comment #5)
Don’t be surprised if NH beats KES by a good margin.
@OudAffie (Comment #4)
More. Ek stem 100% saam met jou oor AHS en PBHS se interskole, maar verskil met jou oor AHS en Helpies. Tot voor 2014 het die 2 skole nooit ‘n Interskole teen mekaar gehad nie. Hulle het wel, soos jy tereg opmerk, vanaf die laat 20s teenmekaar gespeel, maar dit was nie Interskole nie, dit was in die meeste, indien nie in elke geval, as ‘n uitspeelwedstryd van die Beeld/Direkteurs/Admin ens trofee. Dit kan nie gereken word as Interskole nie, want, weereens, in meeste, indien nie in elke geval nie, was dit net eerstespanne, of net 0/15s of net 0/14s ens wat teen mekaar gespeel het.
Graeme Fest predictions:
Port Rex vs Mary Waters: PR by 20
Union vs Daniel Pienar: DP by a cricket score
Kingswood vs Marlow: Marlow by 5
Dale vs Nico Malan: Nico by 15
Grey High vs Hudson: Huge game, Hudson has a real chance but I think Grey by 5.
Day 2
Cambridge vs Muir: Cambridge by 15
Stirling vs Framesby: Stirling put up a good fight against Queens but Framesby will be too much, Framesby by 25
Queens vs Pearson: Queens by 10
St Andrew’s vs Brandwag: Saints by 5
Graeme vs Selborne: Selborne by 5
Just a correction Beet. Hugenote Springs falls under Falcons region and not the Pumas as per the spreadsheet.
Garsfontein vs Jeppe, my heart says Jeppe but on the road away from home my mind says Garsfontein will probably edge it again in PTA. Garsies 27-19 Jeppe
Would like to see this become an official game?
Saturday Jeppe vs Pretoria Boys, will be nothing fun for Pretoria Boys. Official season opener in front of the school in Johannesburg, the backs are gonna run and dance, festival atmosphere, losing would be a criminal act on Jeppe. All we’ll see is Black and White. Jeppe 31-15 Pretoria Boys
Noordheuwel vs KES, interesting new fixture. Still trying to understand what Noories are about, how deep they are? Their identity? I know they’ve had a decent first team or 2 in passed years. KES is a different animal however, especially across the board. I expect KES to win most games on the day, including the main game. Noories 13-26 KES
AFRIKAANS HOëR SEUNSKOOL TEEN HELPMEKAAR KOLLEGE GESKIEDENIS
Gespeel: 66
AHS: 41
Helpmekaar: 20
Gelykop: 5
TellingS sedert 2014
2014: AHS wen 36-24
2015: AHS wen 24-0
2016: AHS wen 58-12
2017: AHS wen 31-19
2019: AHS wen 52-17
2020: AHS wen 27-17
2022: AHS wen 21-14
2023: AHS wen 41-33
Sien uit vir ‘n lekker naweek in JHB.
Few big games this weekend. Garsfontein vs Jeppe should be good. Outeniqua vs Boland Landbou almost feels like a must-win for Outeniqua if they want to be in top-10 contention this year. Landbou looked really scrappy against an ill-disciplined Milnerton who nearly snatched it this past weekend.
Stellenberg vs Paarl Gim and Paul Roos vs Drostdy could also be sneaky good games, but expect the two big boys to come through them unscathed.
Helpmekaar did not look great against Michaelhouse, but neither did Affies look that impressive against Diamantveld. Expect Affies to win by 15-20 points though.
Noordheuwel vs KES also promises much!
KZN predictions:
DHS to beat Kearsney by 10 (MBC should have won it seems, and DHS I think could be top in KZN this year)
Westville to beat Michaelhouse by 4
Hilton to beat Northwood by 9
MBC to beat Clifton by 18
Extremely excited to see how Helpmekaar wil cope with Affies’s massive forward pack and center pairing amongst other things.