Here’s a table listing the matric results 2016 achievements and ranking of 51 measured high schools that generally perform well at rugby or are traditionally well supported teams in their respective regions.
Important to note is that the matric results 2016 ranking list below is perhaps at best a tunnel vision view of a much much bigger academic picture and therefore does not take many important education variables / obstacles into account. The weighting for this ranking relies primarily on University Degree passes and Maths/Physics achievement.
Also worth noting and mentioned on similar blogs over the past few years are the following:
* Technical schools : some schools cater for specific needs while other schools offer a portion of their students subjects that do not qualify for degree passes.
* The language challenge : schools with higher percentages of second-language learners can and do feel the impact of this challenge on their overall results.
* Private school advantage : many private schools have the advantage of smaller class numbers which allow teachers to dedicate more time to individual students.
Link from where the data was obtained:
http://matric.ewn.co.za/dbe/2016/
Key for table below:
Area = rugby region
NSC = “National Senior Certificate”
IEB = “Independent Education Board”
Reg = “registered” for matric exams – this figure is obtained by looking at the last student number for any given school.
Pass = “passed” matric exams – this figure is obtained by adding up the various types of passes obtained.
Miss = “missing”. It is calculated by taking subtracting PASS from REG. Reasons for the MISS figure could include failing, not sitting exams due to medical reason, leaving the school, writing at another educational institute or withdrawing from writing. There are probably a host of other valid reasons for the MISS figure.
Deg = university “degree” pass
Dip = national “diploma” pass
HC = “higher certificate”
M+Ph = Maths plus Physics total
Click on table to enlarge:
@Quagga: or at Glenwood boys can write Cambridge exams: http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/official-launch-of-the-cambridge-international-examinations-board-23-may-2016-8/
@Beet: Thank you for correcting the table above. Just interesting perhaps that many IEB affiliated schools also give learners the opportunity to write SATS. This week I had a conversation with a parent that contacted universities in the USA that were actually willing to consider matriculants within the IEB system without the requirements of completing SATS first. Relevant only because some rugby players may have ambitions to study abroad and play their rugby in the USA at some point.
@Cappie: hehehe
@BrotherBear: Ek dink Lichtenburg sal ook top 20 haal, maar hulle is ongelukkig nie ‘n rugbyskool nie, dus is hulle nie oorweeg nie.
@Bush:
Bushy….I had a lekker meal there in your place Bush Tavern in Umdloti yesterday
Bought myself a t shirt there
@Skopgraaf243: Jammer ou maat, na Helpmekaar se resultate insluiting is hulle nou heel bo op die Noordvaal “mishoop”. Op nommer 6 dra hulle by tot die IEB skole dominansie op akademiese gebied. Maar soos @Hooit graag wil glo: wat se relevansie kan dit nou op rugby he.
@Andre T: Legend Mr T. I heard your backhand cross court was a winner. Seen you in action on Court 14 Chartwell Umhlanga Rocks. ??????
@Andre T: Good job AT, more than just mature talent.
@Skopgraaf243: I have heard about this whale of a thirst, and I’ll have to see it for myself some day.
Valkie…dont forget his whale of a thirst!
@BuffelsCM: I think he is still selling property to sponsor the golf games on Wednesdays.
@Andre T: Impressive stuff Andre !! One remark though: it was in 1980 and you took part in the under 14 section. Therefore I assume you’ve had your 50th birthday last year ?
We all know that you have retired in Toti last year. Does this mean you have a cougar in the bag or did you win the lotto ?
@Andre T: Nou dwing jy my om deur my ‘jaarboeke’ te gaan blaai vanaand. Dis baie interssant.
Wie van julle manne sit ook verborge talente? Ek kan my vrou baie kwaad maak…..
@Andre T: If I look at all those names it seems the conversion rate from Jnr tennis to Pro tennis is even lower than rugby…Best players in World in age groups but no one seemed to crack the top tier later years…David Pate rings a bell but I doubt he won anything big.
@Hooit:
This monkey was no monkey back then…..lol
@Andre T: That article is so old you can clearly see where tippex was used but the date gives credibility to youre claim.
@Andre T:
You must have used the same ID forger as Siya Tom.
Andre Terblanche of South Africa, Menashe Zur of Israel and Bruno Oresar of Yugoslavia, the top seeds, led the advance in the Boys 14 years division.
Terblanche, seeded first, beat Ken Feuer, Massapequa, N.Y., 6-3, 6-0. Zur, seeded second, eliminated Guy Cohen, Atlantic Beach, N.Y., 6-0, 6-1. Oresar, third, defeated George Paulson, Charleston, S.C., 6-2. 6-4. Mihnea Nastase of Romania, nephew of pro Ilie Nastase, was not scheduled to play Tuesday.
For those who never believed I was the u/3 World Junior Tennis Champion
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1980/12/30/David-Pate-of-Las-Vegas-Nev-a-US-Junior/2611347000400/?spt=su&or=btn_fb
@Grasshopper: On second thoughts, not a creche, but the Kennel club, for mongrels.
@Grasshopper: I can’t comment on that. But I would suspect it’s a fine balance between the two. Good luck to them. They must just remember those are somebody’s children not toys that you can just chuck out the cot. Then replace them with newer upgrades.
@Bush: so with Dale Benkenstein & Brad McLeod-Henderson are Hilton going the sport or academic route? They cannot use ‘being too professional’ as an excuse not to play Glenwood now.
@Buddy: Whahahahaha
@Bush: My boys would love your opinion ??
Who needs school as its overate anyway and mom knows everything not even Google can keep up with her???✌️
@Buddy: Then don’t send your kid to school and don’t have any schools.
@Grasshopper: I wouldn’t say that. I think they have realized sport now is professional. Or that you have two paths that one can follow: 1) Academic 2) Sport
How do you think we as OB’s feel that Hilton have one of the best cricketers to ever come out of House coaching Hilton boys. I don’t hate him or throw stones at him. Hilton have opened their eyes now and getting with the program. I even say start Post Matric up again.
@Bush: In a perfect world that would work bud unfortunately we all love to win and if you want to play with the big dogs you need the Pit bulls. I am all in for recruiting for what you need and to develop your recruit.
@Bush: rightly or wrongly the Glenwood bursaries obviously have a performance clause & that should be made clear up front. So boys losing bursaries should be aware of that. I see on a separate thread Hilton have done quite a bit of post grade 8 recruitment, hypocrites deluxe!!
@Buddy: Lekker Buddy. Hilton are concentrating tons of effort in their sport overall. Not just rugby. Yes we did take a hiding all round by Glenwood. It didn’t stop the world. What we get in at Grade 8 is what is developed to the end. Isn’t that what you would want from a school or are you happy to whore around????
If I was to be employed I would be at the GW gate signing up the kids that aren’t having their bursaries renewed.
@Bush: Come on Bud. I understand that Hilton came to the party now and opted to gain same players to maximize their rugby. Same with Westville ….. Look at Garsfontein sourcing players from Boland and Menlo coaches from EG Jansen….. list goes on…..
So what is wrong with they way that Glenwood sources players ?
Bud I think House needs some depth as Glenwood humiliated their junior teams last year and that is the reason that House cancelled the fixture.
Suggestion to House employ Bush to source some good U14 and 15 players
@Bush: hence why I moved to the UK, great Gov schooling where you don’t have to sell your left ball to give it to them, although taxes are high at least you getting something back for it…
@Bush: your first adult & decent post in ages. Totally agree with you. Thank goodness House & Hilton play Glenwood in most other sports. For me these traditional rivals should take priority over any new derby. By new I mean in the past 20 years.,
@Grasshopper: If I have a Silver Spoon it’s on loan and belongs to the bank?????
@Grasshopper: Support your school to death, that’s the reason you went to that school. I’m not asking you to say that. Stop pointing fingers at others when they perform well and well enough to beat the best.
We all hate losing. I hate it when House comes 2nd but I always put my hand out to the winner and say well done. I never make an excuse for losing.
Sleep lekker my best buddy, sweet dreams. Thank goodness we alive to fight another day.
@Roger: you should, we were talking about swimming boet….
@Bush: yep, but at half a bar a year in one salary it’s impossible. Not all of us have a silver spoon!
I give up ……
sigh
Your children are your most important “assets” there is no price tag in giving them the best. I took out loans so I could give my kids the best money could buy. Even if I loose my “House” and my golf clubs, it was the right decision.
@Roger: here is a link for you; http://www.kingedwardschool.co.za/Content/Result.aspx?eid=4301
@Roger: Bog was talking about swimming….duh!
@Roger: behind St David’s in swimming numbskull!
@Bush: come on Kabouts, what do you want me to say. Glenwood is kak, have no morals & buy their teams. Ok, then they do. Now what?
@Grasshopper: read your post 484 again and if you still confused as to why I posted the link to the KES St Davids cricket results then you are beyond help – or have you reached that point already?
@McCulleys Workshop: you might actually find this hard to believe but I think House is the best school in SA. But at R230k a year I couldnt justify it, especially having two kids and needing to pay two sets of school fees. I do say to the English parents here to look at House instead of paying £30k a year here for private schooling. I think Kearsney, Bishops & Hilton are close behind. However for the Gov schools getting about a sixth of that in fees per pupil they doing very well. However, with the state of NSC now you can’t have your kids not write IEB these days…
@McCulleys Workshop: I hadn’t even seen your thread as I was still typing mine. Well stated and very well put. Green Four Eyed Monster.
Where the hell is Boerboel and Rottweiler? Come boys it’s dinner time.
@Grasshopper: Yes my best buddy and you are the master of BS and personal attacks. GW have always been a strong school. You are 100% correct for once. In your statement of not been Angels. What GW are doing now they were doing in the 90’s. The key spots you have mentioned are all sports. Big Al you always turn things negative on the accomplishments of other schools. FYYSAYS
@McCulleys Workshop…well said
@Grasshopper…”disrespect ” – Hopper just you man, just you and others like you!
@McCulleys Workshop: wrong again, it’s a habit with you. I said I didn’t like any Joburg Gov prep schools, my opinion. Not true, well done to College beating Glenwood convincingly in the Basketball, cricket & squash. It’s a fact, any cricketer knows this, if a pitch is wet you bowl first. The team batting first had a low score. Get your head out of your ass and stop focusing on me, rather post positive things about the team/s you support…
@Grasshopper: You need to learn respect. You disrespected all JHB prep schools, you lied and disrespected all private schools, you consistently disrespect most schools by passing back handed compliments when they beat Glenwood or in today’s instance with KES, you just had to play your oneupmanship game. And then you grandstand and moralize. You are confused.
@Bush: let’s make this very clear for you, Glenwood is far from the best in KZN let alone SA, but they do their best considering. I’m proud of the huge improvements they have made over the past 20 years. They certainly no Angels & there have been some underhanded tactics I have never supported. In the 90’s Glenwood only really excelled in athletics, these days it’s across most sports. Basketball & Volleyball are still weak & need improvement. But the key spots like cricket, hockey, swimming, water polo & rugby have improved. The other key improvement is in academics. Why don’t you focus on the positives of House performances & I’ll focus on Glenwood’s, instead of always trying to belittle the achievements & attack me personally. It would be far more productive…
@Bush: yes Stouter Kabouter!
@McCulleys Workshop: yes baldy!
@McCulleys Workshop: Through his Green Eye. Whahahahaha Whahahahaha
@Skopgraaf243: I know and totally agree with you.
@Grasshopper: Are you lying again?
@Skopgraaf243: and your disrespect for KZN sport doesn’t help your cause….
@Bush: certainly not almighty, far from it. Hilton & House were Glenwood’s first fixtures, before College & DHS. Just shows how little respect those two privates schools have to just drop fixtures because there have been a couple of blowouts. Glenwood got hidings from those two more established schools for years, still stuck at it…
@Bush … Glenwood isnt the problem. Funny enough its always the institute that pay the price for stupid comments by someone like Hopper.
Wow so local is crap. Sorry College, Westville, DHS and co you are really crap and extremely easy fixtures. Please get daddy to bring out the cheque book to purchase better players. So our local schools can compete with the almighty GW.
@McCulleys Workshop: it’s not supposed to be intimidating. AFFIES had their reasons. Their under16a’s were well beaten so maybe they were. I have a funny feeling it’s down to Affies parents not liking the cultural diversity of Glenwood. Hilton & House prefer to ensure an easy fixture list so they can have unbeaten seasons. Although Hilton have Affies first up at Easter…
@Grasshopper
What game you playing “how big is your Wood?” You get off on the fact that Hilton won’t play you for whatever their reason is, and that you beat House by points last year. Big deal, you may do it again this year, you may not, it’s not intimidating Hopper. Affies also scared?
@Grasshopper: You’ve heard the answer before, do you need it again?
@Grasshopper: House refused to pay GW’s debt and the salaries of the teachers. Pinhead lost his cool and withdrew the fixture. I think he had altitude sickness when making that call.
@McCulleys Workshop: I knew that was coming before you even posted, so predictable! What’s Houses excuse for not playing Glenwood?
@Skopgraaf243: so calling KZN guppy-land is respectful? Finding Nemo, respectful?
@Hopper what is the deal why Glenwood changed their first XV jerseys from the hoops/striped in 1935 to the solid green and yellow collar?
@Grasshopper…news flash, I did’nt go to Menlo! I went to Monument, since 1921.
@BOG…too many people act like they are high and mighty because they are older. Looking down on others based on assumptions. I hate people looking at me like a child because of my age. Judgemental assholes!
@Grasshopper…Glenwood encourages tolerance, respect, compassion and integrity. We offer a weekly programme of exploring and discovering a life-style that leads to healthy living; both mind and body…..uh i think you missed that one hey soutie!
@Grasshopper: and the altitude.
@Roger: not really having played provincial cricket up to under15, but what is the link for? Just shows St David’s results…
@Grasshopper: utterly clueless aren’t you?
http://www.kingedwardschool.co.za/Content/Result.aspx?eid=4295
@BOG: and KES are way behind PBHS & St David’s. However KES were doing quite well in the Eldoraigne athletics meets with a few 1st places. I also heard the Affies 4x100m team ran a 42sec flat race, blitz quick!
@Roger: I noticed those results, typical wet pitch results where the side batting first gets bundled out for nothing, was that the case?
@BOG: why not post the cricket results versus KES yesterday too Oom?
@Grasshopper: You are trying to talk sense to a creche? You first need to do a 3-yr course to learn how you can descend to their level. Otherwise you will continue to talk over their heads. Speaking of lists, I would think that the “Top 100 schools in Africa”, is more reliable than that one of “innovative” schools. And speaking of lists, I hear that there has been some swimming taking place at Affies . 1) GCB 580; 2) St Benedicts 420; 3) Affies 406; 4) PBHS 364; St Davids 363
@Skopgraaf243: sorry Menlo was 2 years old, classic! ?
@Skopgraaf243: dude, for the numbers of boys playing rugby in KZN compared to the other provinces we do bloody well. We only really have 4 schools with 20 plus teams. KZN has never been the best, although when my uncle Dennis Morrissey played in the first Craven Week in 1964 & 1965 KZN beat WP and others. I don’t think Menlo even existed back then…
@Grasshhopper…you mean the days you guys were still of opinion your the best in SA. KZN has blinkers on from school level up to the first chair of guppy-land. Finding Nemo?…oh sorry a coach who can actually coach or a president who knows the front from the back of the ship, and so it filters like sands through the hour glass those are the days of banana boys!
This all came to mind when I was told that Sharks rugby is in current state because of too many afrikaans players in the team my oh my!
@Grasshopper: The days of our lives or loving?
Hier Boerboel hier my brakkie???
??
@star: thanks boet. I really miss the days when this blog started, KZN okes mainly and no trolls. Adult conversation with no mudslinging….
@Roger: Yes and they did not just polish that diamond. There was a bit of digging that went on as well.
)I promise you the light and fresh air will do you the world of good.
@ Grassy- you sometimes remind me of a green Trump.When you are in a hole just stop digging. ( unless you are looking for more unpolished diamonds
Congrats Hilton College – they’ve produced a diamond in Lungi Ngidi-great talent.
@Grasshopper: Come on my best buddy. Bring the facts. Stop throwing things in the air then running away.
@McCulleys Workshop: again that is your opinion, you welcome to that…
@Grasshopper: Yes, you are right, however your respectful new learning only lasts for 5 sec and you are back to hide, side track, rewind… he’s just patient, but at least you concede that your points are by and large all BS.
@McCulleys Workshop: It’s called decency and respect, Playa has some of that is seems. Ask a dumb question get a dumb answer…
@Playa: hahahaha Can I call you coach? You have a way of getting the best out of Robinhood, even if it is for 5 seconds!
@Grasshopper: Yes your sister does seem to know a paar dinge according to Bush. According to what you are saying she seems ‘n bietjie oud.
@boerboel: The Bully from GW is back we see. Maybe they should use him and his 16% brain fat to roll the pitch. There was so much sense on the Blog when he was gone. Now it’s back so is the BS and negativeness. A man that hates Africa.
@Playa: I do see a difference and should have said, in my opinion there are few decent Gov prep schools in Joburg. Afrikaans ones I cannot comment on as I have not seen them or researched them. However, my sister is IT Director at Kingsmead College with 25years experience, she does know a thing or two. The headmistress at ‘buckets & books’ where my daughter went, helped set up Heronbridge and knows I thing or two. They were both opinions too.
@Grasshopper: “I visited a few too and felt they lacked something, maybe the headmasters and headmistresses didn’t seem passionate.”
Seems like it’s not only women who base things on feelings as per your sentence before the one above.
My final point on this is you should have simply said “I do not like the government prep schools in Joburg”. No one can fault that.
A statement like “None are decent”…That requires more than just family opinions and feelings to justify, I’m afraid. You need some factual backing – headmasters who you ‘feel lack passion’ is not one of those. That can fall under the “I do not like Joburg prep schools because…” section.
I am not a fan of Joburg as a city – ask any of my friends, I have avoided the place for the last 10 years (to my wife’s disgust at times). I have my reasons for not liking the place – most of which are purely feelings to be honest. I enjoy going there for business, and to see friends and family – I just don’t want to live there. Is it a decent city? HELL YEAH!!!
I hope you can spot the difference
@Roger: call me Vladimir as I wait for the third party independent conclusion KES is the greatest school since sliced bread…
@Roger: Godot was only about 5 acts. I’m going with Job
can’t seem to find the article on those links you posted
still waiting……
call me Godot
@boerboel: yeah if having 16% body fat is porky, then I’ll embrace it. Porky hopper ?
@Grasshopper: glad to see you are responding to your new nickname
that is the first step in the healing process
@boerboel: yeah, she sending me some of this; http://www.frontline.com/Pages/default.aspx
@Roger: https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/seanhamptoncole.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/the-most-innovative-schools-in-south-africa/amp/?client=safari
I can’t seem to find KES on this list
@Roger: porky is waiting for his aunt in Zim to send the link
@Roger: http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/national/the-best-sports-school-in-sa-rankings.html
@Grasshopper: at least I can point you somewhere definitive to back up my assertion – something you are unable to do – ever.
Still waiting for that link / list / study / article btw?
@Roger: ah the old flawed list that KES OB’s fall back on. Agree with No1 though…
@McCulleys Workshop: I found a product for you; https://www.regaine.co.uk/men
@boerboel: thanks BB that means a lot to me ?
@boerboel: Period.
http://buzzsouthafrica.com/secondary-schools-africa/
@Grasshopper: the couple of days you spent in rehab was a waste
Joost not in a good way, thoughts and prayers to his family
@Roger: that’s not evidence…
@Playa: I agree with you. Based on talking to my daughters playschool headmistress in Broadacres, consulting my three sisters in education, my step-mother as a Primary Headmistress and friends with older kids, they advised to either go with private prep schools in Joburg or look at DPHS & SACS in Durbs and Cape Town. My wife visited a few of the Joburg schools and didn’t get a good feel, you know woman it’s based on feelings. I visited a few too and felt they lacked something, maybe the headmasters and headmistresses didn’t seem passionate. Again these are all opinion based on experience. It’s like the annual question on which schoolboy rugby ground is the best, for Queens OB’s it’s the Rec, for Bishops Piley Rees, for Glenwood OB’s it’s Dixons or Goldstones…..it’s all bloody subjective. The only facts we have here are results & history. Even old Mac goes on about I don’t have evidence, when in fact I saw the letter asking a boy to leave a private school recently. We all know I can’t post the evidence here as there would be legal ramifications. It didn’t involve House so not sure why he was so defensive. I mean all the Glenwood ‘buying’ is hearsay too but it’s fine for people to harp on about it. Drugs & Overaged kids are thrown about here too, where is the evidence. We all know it’s happening but don’t have the hard facts. We can’t blood test every kid who looks too old. I was actually thinking about it today, Ilunga Mukendi is now in the Sharks Super Rugby squad, he was only a schoolboy in 2015. I always thought he looked far too mature for school. I mean come on playing with the big boys in a year, either he is a freak or he was too old……I don’t have the evidence though. When I use family and personal qualifications to back my points, I get told they rubbish…..
@Grasshopper: here it is
http://www.kingedwardschool.co.za
@Roger: I’m looking forward to your link showing KES as the greatest school in living history…..
@Grasshopper: Fine…so those opinions not based on fact…what are they based on? That’s what has been questioned. But you get defensive when questioned. All opinions are subject to being questioned, because all of them are based on something – fact, knowledge, experience etc. – where no basis exists, that ‘opinion’ is dismissed as crap full stop. We all have one or two opinions based on gut feel or hearsay and one just needs to admit that they are indeed crap. Even if we don’t admit them publicly (which is what I sense you are doing), but on the same breath, we shouldn’t defend them publicly either.
@Grasshopper: Hopper, I think the k.k Jhb prep-school debate has probably morphed a bit, BUT I assume your insight and experience is limited to the “Engelse”. Anders gaan die boere vir jou hard bliksem broer!
@Grasshopper: plse post the link confirming there are no good government prep schools in JHB. Assuming you must have read that on some educational NGO’s website or independent educational assessment perhaps? Looking forward to reading the FACTS and then forming my own OPINION.
@Grasshopper: You haven’t stated that you were just emotional when you posted your statement that privates weed out weak academics, nor have you stated that it was just your biased opinion based on very little fact. You’ve consistently acted and debated it as a matter of fact, even when confronted. The blog was sensical when you took your period of absence.
@Roger: Defeats the whole purpose o debating
@odie15: Large pupil numbers definitely provides an advantage, but as with everything in life, quality is more important than quantity. In years gone by, PBHS would attract talented boys in all spheres, as it is a great school. However, with the advent of semi-professionalism in school rugby, their policies have caused them to to get left behind in this sphere.
Of course, it is their prerogative to follow whatever strategy they choose, but I think that they are misguided. I’m unconcerned re the feelings of their old boys; however, the vitriol that they produced on various social media platforms must have been heartbreaking for the rugby boys to read. I think that PBHS management have their heads in the sand.
@Grasshopper: The fact that there’s no evidence should give you reason to stop. Of course we’re obsessed with evidence, everything else is emotion and biased opinion. Even this statement, Zim test cricket is poor so their schools must be. The Springboks lost to Italy but Glenwood won Sanix. Spot the disconnect?
@odie15: Westville had around 260 last year and the year before.
@odie15: Yep, numbers create depth and more competition. However there is the quality vs quantity debate which is where the likes of Boland Landbou, Marlow etc come to the fore. 209 matrics makes us one of the smaller big boys only Gov schools. Our intake has been around 260 for the past 2 years so that might improve depth in a few years. College, Westville, Affies & PBHS all have significantly more numbers. Paul Roos down your way should be cleaning up, which I believe they do down the line…
@Grasshopper: so if we go on the numbers theory Pretoria Boys High should be best rugby school in country? Glenwood up there with 209 boys!
@Roger: that’s exactly the point, a blog is not always based on fact, it’s opinion. That is where you guys have completely misunderstood the purpose of a blog. It’s not always based on fact. Sometimes bloggers post based on feelings, hunches or grapevine stories. Blogs are a place to discuss these. If you want fact all the time go to a news website or to a blog where people use their real names. Yes, many of my posts are my opinion but I will post links of fact and use stats as fact on occasion. You see Roger then has to take a ‘cheap shot’ or make it personal……
@Playa: he can’t – nothing to back up his statement of fact and when challenged he changes tune and says it’s his opinion and he doesn’t need to back it up ……. would make a kuk lawyer.
“Case dismissed due to lack of evidence”
@Grasshopper: Why I said that is because higher up on this thread you claimed that JHB doesn’t have any decent gov prep schools. I asked you to give a criteria for ‘decent’ in your eyes since you had referred to that statement as your opinion. I am yet to get an answer from you. So I have moved on.
I need you to corroborate how you deducted that our F team should beat their A side. What was that statement/opinion based on. Let’s debate that.
@McCulleys Workshop: which are iniated by cheap shots from the usual blogging trolls. You see trolls love to give it out but can’t take them….
@Grasshopper: And you are obsessed with cheap shots.
@Playa: a) Zim isn’t f$&ked up, my friend is running a successful logistics & freight company there earning US dollars. He comes to SA and finds it cheap. B) looking at the performance of their teams in Easter tournos over the years their rugby is not quite top 50 in SA level. C) I know their cricket isn’t bad, but look at their national side, not a proper test nation. Tell me what I should use to corroborate a statement made around a braai, there is no solid evidence, as there isn’t of any of the underhanded dealings going on at schools. A blog is a platform to discuss, debate & have fun where opinions & subjective points of view are made. It’s not a news website. You guys are a little obsessed with evidence when there isn’t any.
@Grasshopper: Mate you went from saying our F team should beat their under19A side to talking about SJS Harare & Peterhouse not worthy of a op 50 spot in SA SBR. The latter is in all likelihood true, but is totally unrelated to your first statement.
I don’t know Zim schoolboy cricket to be k@k. On the contrary I know it to be pretty good; to a point where it would not have been a shame if we had lost to them with our full strength team. The mistake you made was thinking (a) “Zim is a fkced up country, (b) “Their schoolboy rugby is kaak” and (c) “Therefore their cricket must be sh*t”…wrong deduction, wrong logic. And then now, as you tend to do, you bring in ‘mates from Zim’ who told you this. Learn to corroborate your statements – and quoting people’s opinions is not corroboration. Don’t say something if you cannot back it up. Rather take the time to research it first.
That’s my 2 cents – use it, trash it, think about it…up to you
@Vleis: another; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/marshal-takodza-selected-to-represent-zimbabwe-u17-national-cricket-team-2016-4/
But remember it’s all lies, so take it with a pinch of salt….don’t shoot the messenger…
@Vleis: Looks like some of the top cricketers are also popping down south – see article below:
http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/cricket/national/cricket-saints-zimbabwe-player-stars-at-cubs-week.html
@Grasshopper: @Playa: @Gungets Tuft: Zim schools cricket is decent, but I agree that Waterkloof or Saints would probably beat their u19 team. Bear in mind that those 1st teams are not far off the SA cricket team in ability. Also, cricket is one of those sports where a weaker team can beat a stronger one on the day, in the right conditions, etc – e.g. Bangladesh beat Aus when the latter were invincible. Finally, I think that the SA school selectors are poor…and I’m not talking about quotas, etc. I know many of the cricketers in this age group and I could’ve picked a much stronger SA u19 cricket squad.
Although Hopper’s Zim schools rugby comments are a non sequitur, I agree that their best school side might not make our top 50. There are various reasons for this including: a) The school rugby clubs are small – I don’t think any schools even produce a 5th team, but I could be wrong. b) I don’t think that the rugby culture is strong, apart from at a dozen schools. c) Many of their top stars come “down south” on scholarships, etc – e.g. Curtis at Hilton, the four Bennies guys, etc.
@Roger: Ask Hops, he’s heard via Zim…
so I see on Twitter that good old Alistair Coetzee may not be retained – anyone else hear anything?
@Roger: it was a good win for Menlo, 5 key players were out, no excuses based on the team that played. The comment on Zim cricket came from a Zimbo, the horses mouth so to speak. Don’t shoot the messenger…..
@Grasshopper: Man, who invited you back. The Blog was lekka when you were gone. Voet Sack again
@Roger: You absolutely correct. Zim Schools cricket is good. They played in the recent Independent Scools festival and did very well. In Hoppers eyes cricket and rugby are the same thing.
@Roger: weirdly enough sporting success & athletism is transferable across sports, ask AB de Villiers, Peter Kirsten, Herschelle Gibbs etc…but I get your point, it’s comparing apples with oranges.
this is classic Hopper
“Ah yes, good win for you guys. We did have 4 or 5 key players in the team away at SANIX in Japan but no excuse”
not making excuses and then promptly makes one
“I haven’t watched them, but I have some Zimbo mates who reckon St Johns Harare haven’t beaten JHB in years….”
and promptly labels Zim schoolboy cricket shit based on hearsay
Zim school boy cricket is actually pretty good and what does their school boy rugby have to do with their cricket …… ah forget it
sigh …….
@Grasshopper: Are Roger, 243, Boerboel and others silver spooners or are they just dilusional, or maybe taking their other personas for a walk?
@McCulleys Workshop: Classic Mac, he knows it all & when he doesn’t know it he calls it a lie, attacks the messenger personally and throws his toys out the cot, the reaction of a typical silver spooner. I saw many a silver spooner tantrum whilst at Varsity College….easy to recognise….
@Andre T: Whahahahaha nearly swallowed my gold spoon. Hopper is my best ever buddy and my only friend from GW. But not my only buddy from the Bluff. Love you Hopper
@Grasshopper:
Spear and I have your back mate….and BOG’s….and Bushy actually likes you…..he is just intimidated by the other Silver Spooners
@Grasshopper: We already have our Hops meeting. We talk about your lies, and then how you try and defend your lies by telling more lies, and then how you side track and get caught out and restort to even more lies and eventually blame your second persona, after you have left the blog for not feeling wanted (because you got caught out lying). That’s all.
@Grasshopper: I thought we were talking cricket not rugby.I can’t see how their rugby can be a reflection of their cricket.
@Grasshopper: You don’t annoy me, you amuse me. I’m sure the rest of us are not trying to be superior, you sometimes just make it easy.
You make the daftest statements, mostly derived from bias confirmation and lack of forethought, then defend the stance to the death. My mind BogGles
@Gungets Tuft: I reckon you, Mac, Bush & Spear should meet up for drinks and go on about how you all right & how annoying old Hops is. You could bask in your superiority, could I suggest Hops in Durban North, perfect spot…
@Gungets Tuft: yes, who doesn’t have a Zimbo mate in Durban, they ran from Zim in the early 80’s. Funnily enough Barry Richards was matric at DHS when my dad was in 3rd form there. It’s funny how small Durbs is….and my Wife was his parents neighbours in Goble Rd in the 90’s…
@Grasshopper: Silly me, of course you do … my cousins auntie says she’s uncovered the Zimbabwean Barry Richards …
@Gungets Tuft: I haven’t watched them, but I have some Zimbo mates who reckon St Johns Harare haven’t beaten JHB in years….
@Grasshopper: What makes you say that. Have you watched them play?
@Playa: I mean St Johns Harare or Peterhouse wouldn’t make top 50 in rugby in SA…
@Playa: nope, but considering our pool compared to theirs surely we have a good few teams better. Send in St Stithians or Wynberg or Affies, sure they would beat them…
@Grasshopper: Is Zim schoolboy cricket that bad?
@Vleis: our F team should beat Zim!
@Grasshopper: It was basically a B team. They’ve already beaten Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe in this tournament, so no need to panic Grassy.
SA Under19’s cricket lose to Zimbabwe…..eish!
@AbsolutMenlo: Ah yes, good win for you guys. We did have 4 or 5 key players in the team away at SANIX in Japan but no excuse. I think it was one of only 4 losses in the season, Grey College (21-32), Monnas (5-13) & 26-29 HTS Middelburg at Wildeklawer too…
Our under15’s had a poor year having been pretty good in 2015. They lost quite a few players and also couldn’t use their size to overpower teams anymore, a good learning curve for them. I’ll think they will only go from strength to strength…
@Grasshopper: Yes … that group … two wins over GW … Hope they can do it again in their first senior year.
@Grasshopper: You back??? WTFH????
@AbsolutMenlo: was that under16 result at Wilderklawer?
….. U/15 should be Menlo turned the table from 2015 and not 2016
@Grasshopper: Absolutely looking forward to that one….
2016 results at Wildeklawer:
U/14 Glenwood won 29 – 10;
U/15 Menlo turned the table from 2016 and won 35 – 24;
U16 Menlo won 22 – 19
@Grasshopper…2017 will be somewhat of a different picture to what you saw 2015.
Nevertheless it will be good day of rugby
@Skopgraaf243: Kearsney festival 2015;
1st XV at Kearsney
Glenwood High School played in their last fixture of the 2015 Standard Bank Easter Kearsney Rugby Festival against Menlopark. The first half saw Glenwood on the score board early, but momentum through the various phases was lost and left Glenwood making mistakes. The second half looked promising with the boys using the field to spread the ball, unfortunately the penalty kicks didn’t go in Glenwood’s favour and that left them trailing behind. In the end it was Menlopark’s strong pack that kept the ball rolling in the last few minutes to go ahead with the win of 23-19.
@Skopgraaf243: 2015 results I have, very close.
The U14A beat Menlo Park 34-22.
The U15A went down 17-19 to Menlo.
The U16A won 24-10 against Menlo.
I know the last 1st game we lost.
@Grassy…looking forward to the first derby! Most certainly a good line-up
@McCulleys Workshop: yes wtf?
he left for his period apparently?
@McCulleys Workshop: I will leave for periods and comment when I wish, but be less active. I will also ignore trolls and bloggers like you who attack me personally.
@Grasshopper: What happened to you leaving?
The Hop is back….now we just need the BOG
@Skopgraaf243: Looking forward to the Glenwood vs Menlo fixture in Durban on 13th May, should prove very competitive down the line.
@Grasshopper: sure
@boerboel: https://vimeo.com/10794012
@Roger: FYI Warren Whiteley’s 2nd name is Roger…good man…
@boerboel: never designed a website in my life…
@Grasshopper: Website designers also needs supervision
@McCulleys Workshop: people in my industry don’t give a damn about SA school boy rugby & especially petty squabbles on a blog like this with about 50 users, it’s insignificant in the big scheme of things. We all know it’s mostly banter & BS…
@McCulleys Workshop: dude, relax. Threatening me with my job doesn’t bother me. Also, I don’t have a boss…
@Grasshopper: Don’t even try and suggest that all your BS on this blog is the work of your other personality and you are therefore not liable. You are lucky I don’t employ you, but your boss will find you here and you’ll have lots of explaining to do.
@McCulleys Workshop: LOL! It’s all relative
@Andre T: more like Sarie, but yep all a bit too civil. Even all the ‘Honde’ have disappeared. Mc seems to think blog personality = real personality. He has never met me so not sure how he judges..
@Grasshopper:
Hops this blog is like Die Huisgenoot without you and BOG
@Playa: As long as its 20/20
@Grasshopper: Don’t think you can disappear and arrive back a few days later thinking we’ve forgotten what you are all about. I haven’t.
Just a quick appearance, been great to be away a bit. Anyone interested in Glenwood rugby fyi; http://www.slideshare.net/AlanMorrissey1/glenwood-rugby19102016
@robbie: That for me resonates with the whole Border-EP story.The Grahamstown schools in St Andrews,Kingswood,Graeme should form part of Border instead of EPCD.Together with the farmers in Marlow, up to Aliwal North.Everything west of that falls into EP. Border CD east of East London and strictly Academy week.My vision gets controversial from here so I’ll leave it at that.
@Roger: St Bennies may also have a few players in the mix.
@Vleis: yes, same gentleman and truly wily at that. Thanks @Roger for the correction. It is Norman at St Johns, NOT John at Norman’s ;-)
@Vleis: Hi Vleis, I’m out the loop, however the 2nds and u16’s weren’t great shakes last year. Last years U14s have good potential and the U15s improved over their previous year, with the St John’s 8th man moving to house – and a reasonably big side. House have moved their successful 1st side coach Schwartz to u16, however I didn’t see the benefit of that last year.
Bush you should have a better view of House.
Boland en WP skole – selfs SWD – speel kruis en dwars oor die grense.
If you want to dilute WP’s strength wind up the Boland story once again. Paarl has never been part of Boland. It has been part of WP since Boy Louw was in grade school. What does happen is that some smaller WP schools play in the Boland by mutual agreement. Rather play 1st grade rugby in Boland than a far lower grade in WP. In many cases transport is also less. How would Boland schools handle the number of teams : PBS + PR = in excess of 25 teams and Gim + Landbou = up to 20 teams. Who will they play in the Boland ?
@McCulleys Workshop: I was in the UK, as my son was on a cricket tour to Eton…but if memory serves, it was a one or two point game until House scored in the last minute. So probably a win by about 8 to House?
That’s a pretty good result, as I doubt if House were as depleted as St Alban’s, who were missing: a) all their matrics (10 players); b) four gr11s (Bulls u18 & cricket tour); and c), two gr10s (Bulls u16). Also, that team would’ve excluded the new bursary students…so hopefully St Alban’s will have another decent year in ’17.
What will House’s team be like in 2017? A mate’s son (u16) played on that ISRF tour as a wing (normally FB I think) and another mate’s step-son (gr11) went from 3rd or 4th team to 1st team as a flyhalf (I think) last year.
@Vleis: Do you remember what the outcome was of the House – St Albans game was at the ISRF last year?
@Vleis: that would be Norman McFarlane who is still very involved with rugby at St Johns – coached KES from +- 1970-1985 which included three unbeaten sides. Current headmaster at St Johns was deputy head at KES before moving to St Davids and then to Saint Andrews. Inspirational leader – St Johns did well to get him …..
@Skopgraaf243: Yep, there is no doubt that Menlo have brilliant players, which is why it’s so confusing that they performed so far below their ability in the past two seasons. Was there a change in coaching set-up? I simply do not understand it – e.g. at u14 level they beat Centurion by over 100 points but struggled to a narrow win at 1st team level and it’s not as if Centurion have improved since 2012?
@Vleis…just check how many Menlo old boys are in provincial groups. 3 in last year u19lions finals
@AbsolutMenlo: Yes, Menlo’s junior teams have always been good, but what I was trying to portray was the fact that the 2015 and 2016 1st team players were superstars (even by Menlo’s high standards) at junior level, but declined dramatically at 1st team level. Very strange.
@Playa: Yes, that is why I think he’ll do a good job at SJC, as he gets the best out of ‘non-star’ players and is very ambitious, so won’t want to blot his copybook. Also, the previous headmaster knew as much about rugby as a polar bear does about a desert, while the current headmaster loves rugby and is a passionate, inspirational man.
@Roger: @Ringo: Good luck to your schools this year. I’ll pop over to watch them at the KES festival and buy you guys a beer if you’re there! Parktown are always an unknown factor. They’re very mediocre at age group level, which often morphs into mediocre open teams. However, they bring in a lot of players in their senior years and always seem to have a lot of u19 players (over 6 last year, including Tambwe, the capt, etc)…so they’re difficult to predict.
@BrotherBear: Is that the same McFarland who coached KES and cost my school an unbeaten season in ’84 when he resorted to dodgy tactics (like 5 man scrums) to negate our powerful pack.
Excellent coach to be fair, although 5 man scrums were made illegal the following year.
@McCulleys Workshop: Difficult to say, as my son has now completed his schooling. Kennedy is a very good coach, but my advice to him last year was to: a) start offering bursaries like all other schools (apart from PBHS); and b) increase the number of teams from 10 to at least 13 (we’re half the size of St John’s and Saints, let alone PBHS, etc!). The latter will take some time to achieve, but he’s already made a big effort to improve rugby participation. Re the former, I hear that he has brought in a few players from Zim already, so who knows? The current g12s were very weak at u14 & u15 level, but became more competitive at u16 level, albeit still quite weak. That said, about 5 g11s were key players in the 1st team last year and another 5 got some 1st team experience…so they continue to improve.
@Skopgraaf243: Only time will tell.
@Roger…i was luring the Helpies manne out here
No doubt the Kes boys are up to the task
@Skopgraaf243: at least 4 from KES – 3 were picked last year and are back.
@Cappie … ek dink Garsies het goeie groep die jaar. Hulle het sterk u16 groep wat deurgekom het van 2016 Beeld finaal.
Daar is heelwat graad 11’s van 2016 oor, en dis wat Duppie’le daarvan maak.
Hoewel hulle plek vroeg in seisoen bepaal word soos met alle noordvaal spanne, omrede dis enigste tyd om kragte te meet met skole van kaap en kzn en vrystaat by wyse van paastoernooie.
Julle het verspreide kalender gesprei oor +/-7 maande.
So terug te kom na Garsies sal hulle sterk uit die blokke moet kom om die top tien te maak.
Dr.EG Jansen sukkel met getalle. Ek dink hulle sal baie sterk wees maar ook kommer van diepte ek dink. Hulle het ook nuwe afrigter, so regtig kan enige iets gebeur.
…maar vir bg. redes het ek hulle uitgesluit.
@Vleis: Looking at Menlo’s rankings, 2014 was their best year, when they came 19th. 2013, they were 25th and 2012, 40th.
I am sure, knowing how hard they try, that they want to be in the top 10 sooner than later.
Garsfontein were in the top 10 twice in the past four years, and I would predict that they will do it again this year.
@Vleis: And your inside track on St Albans?
@Skopgraaf243: Mbt jou top 10, wat van Garsfontein en EG Jansen? Hoe lyk hulle kanse?
@Vleis: Welcome back ….. I think most schools will have a decent year and certainly in early season games in March and April anyone will be able to be anybody else.
Think the trio that you are talking about will be sorely missed at Jeppe this year.
However from what has been said, we should have an all round strong team this year similar to 2013. Unknown commodities that will surprise many and go on to be brand names on their own.
Those boys were outliers but the pipeline left behind by them seems to be in healthy state.
Dark horses for this season will be Parktown though. Seem to be limping around with wounded lion mentality lately.
I myself prefer cricket ( lots of stats, counting and slightly easier to make direct comparisons) over rugby, but in terms of a spectacle nothing provides as much entertainment as game of schoolboy rugga. Looking forward to what should be a stellar season.
…wednesday humour
Li
ns ?side prediction:
9Monnas
2Helpies
1St Stithians
1St John
1Kes
1Jeppe
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Lions side prediction:
9Monnas
2Helpies
1St Stithians
1St John
1Kes
1
1
@Roger…Chocolate?
@BrotherBear: I saw that the KES U16A’s in 2015 also lost narrowly to Helpies at the Jeppe festival. Looks like Helpies, Monnas, KES and Jeppe will all have very useful sides this year as well as St Johns and St Stithians. Bodes well for Lions rugby.
@BrotherBear: ha ha ha – you know these buffed up youngsters – young dumb and full of c**
@Roger: so now they will have to replace the lockers every 2 months – understand the pre-match hype causes more head injuries than the matches. ;-)
@Vleis: I understand that John Mcfarlane will be involved at St John’s this year. True gentleman and traditional master of rugby. His son coaches the Warathas U19/U21, so maybe some good Australian influence in strategy and tactics as well.
@Vleis: new coach is the old assistant so has been there for five plus years and was 1st XV at KES 2006/7. He is joined by the 2009 1st XV captain who has also been involved with Wits for a few years I believe.
Great to have old boys coaching – they understand the ethos and traditions.
@Andre T: try upper Houghton over the St Johns and KES Easter festivals – I reckon 80% of Gauteng’s SUV’s are parked there.
Please make sure you park you Ford Kuga far away
@Vleis: Kevin Musenkanth is a great coach with an ability to bring out the best in average players.He’s a Varsity Cup winner with UCT back in 2014 if you recall what is arguably the best try ever in rugby.I saw the same fighting spirit he instilled in the Ikeys in the St John’s team that lost to Parktown last year.Plus they’re paying him big bucks
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@Skopgraaf243:
For my support team
@AndreT…but you are a jogger, why is parking a problem
@AbsolutMenlo:
Too many white SUV’s parked there….no space for small bakkies
@Andre T: …. uber
@AbsolutMenlo:
I think Menlo’s biggest challenge is sorting out the parking around the school
@Vleis: I disagree from 2010 we had very good junior teams and on average they performed much better than our 1st team. 2014 and 2015 we had very good 1st teams but they did not perform to their potential. The 2016 group was brilliant at under 14 and 15 level but lost momentum during their under 16 year.
Menlo’s chalenge remains for their 1st team to be consistent performers.
@tzavosky: My son had a SA u13 indoor cricket practice camp in Nelspruit in 2011. Marchant’s cousin was in the u13 team, so he watched the practice. There was also a Lowveld u9 practice. When the u9s saw the SA u13 team arrive, they ran to them to ask for autographs, but ignored Marchant!
Later, they were told who he was, so got his autograph too. 
@McCulleys Workshop: I’ll be interested to see how St John’s fare this season. Although, their u16s weren’t great last year, I suspect that the 1st team will continue to improve. Their 2016 season (despite two shocking results v Wynberg & KES) was their best in the 10 years that I’ve followed them….and that was without any star players. This could be down to two things: a) they’re taking rugby a bit** more seriously – especially with the change in headmaster a few years ago (he was previously at St Andrew’s); and b) they have a very good (and ambitious) coach in Kevin Musikanth (he won the Varsity Cup coaching UCT).
** St John’s will never take rugby too seriously, as they put academics waaaaaay above sport, but they seem to up their game in 2016.
@Ringo: I think that Jeppe will be good this year, but will struggle without Wandile, Hacjivah and Green. I hope that I’m wrong.
@Roger: KES will be good if they can keep the injuries down and if the new coach gels with the players.
@Cappie: From 2010 to 2015, Menlo had pretty good 1st teams despite the fact that they were not brilliant as juniors. Then in 2015 and 2016, they did not perform well despite those players having brilliant junior years. Perhaps Skopskraaf can let us know what happened?
@Ringo: I’m somewhat out of circulation as I “finished school” last year, so will have to wait and see. BV had a pretty good u/16 side last year whom I suspect will provide the bulk of the 1st team, but it will be a steep learning curve for them.
Also, they’ve lost both their long time senior coaches, but gained Oom Hans’ son-in-law from Monnas, so it’s the start of a new era. I just hope they stick to the brand.
The only loss that I know of is the FH that went to Monnas last year,
@Skopgraaf243: Oh definitely I think we playing you guys on the 7th March if I am not mistaken at Blue Bulls rugby day.
I think we will be competitive…. we have a strong u 16 coming from last year and our seconds which was mainly grade 11 was alright. But I think our team will be alright.
Maybe knocking on top 20 … plus this we have a schoolboy master tactician at the helm of our team.
@Skopgraaf243: the colour is right but the material has changed (wool is just so last year doll
)
@McCulleys Workshop: @boerboel: KES and St Johns U16A drew 22-22 – I don’t really look at the U16 results as so much can change from grade 10 onwards and I know that they pull a few of the best U16 players every year into the 1st and 2nd XV squads as well. Having said that, the 2017 matric group had a very good U16 season (lost narrowly to Affies and beat Monnas) and their best player (Gordon) was playing 1st XV already so supporters are hoping for a solid year this year.
Sien baie uit na die seisoen hoewel my direkte belang by skoolrugby tot ‘n einde gekom het. Die GCB manne is volstoom aan die oefen en behoort ‘n baie goeie jaar te he. Dis veral hulle agterlyn met Schreuder / Pretorius / van Heyniging / Kriel wat my baie opgewonde maak. Hopenlik het ‘n paar van die voospelers bietjie lyf gekry. Die volgende skole behoort in die top tien te wees:
HJS
GCB
Paul Roos
Affies
Monnas
Paarl Gim
Glenwood
Selborne
Grey PE
Helpmekaar
@tzavosky: Absolute legend he is PK….
How is the talent in the north this season. Will we be seeing good exhibitions of running rugby from BV this year or have they all come down to the Westrand to Oom Hans.
@GreenBlooded: Hahahahahaha what a serious case of multiple personality disorder
@Andre T: Poor loving romantic wasn’s he going to publish his weekly chronicles of Totti for us. I am sure he will come right with a tannie or two soon. Maybe he should change the direction of his search those Durban and people of the north maybe be wrong crowd.
Maybe he should start looking towards the south Illovo Beach down to Margate or even further south. Their seems to be some nice Mense by die See in all those parts of KZN. Die engelse Damme van die Noord is baie laf Oom
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@Playa…Selborn will impress, I’m sure if what you say is true.
I might even slot them in at 6 then…sorry Helpies..
Jeppe – jiiiiip ! ! !
Glenwood – also if the u16’s can marry up. The problem so often that when a strong u16 side comes up they find the internal crap suppressing all hope of success.
St Johns will have to play some more big-dogs to test their bark
@McCulleys workshop…St Johns had good side but failed to convert their season.
@Roger …yes looking forward to that one. Do scholars still have those bright red wool tracksuits? …or am I giving my age away
KES could be, depends on if the u16’s can marry-up with the seniors. If so, well then there is some good depth.
@Skopgraaf243: Selborne’s 2016 team was predominantly grade 11s…who if I’m not mistaken were unbeaten as under 16s. Brilliant group of ball players. I didn’t want to get into the other province’s schools as I am not as knowledgeable. but a Jeppe on the rise that has gained Carl Spilhaus is a dangerous beast…I have also heard murmurings of a KES revival, as Roger has pointed out above, Glenwood also looks good as usual…and dare I say…watch out for St John’s in 2017!
@Roger: Didn’t St Johns have a fairly good u16 last year?
@Roger: Know very little about KES Saw their u16 at Wynberg against Rondebosch-not to impressive but maybe they were understrength?
@Skopgraaf243: I see KES and Menlo play this year. As you say, KES will be very competitive – good U16’s coming through and +- 12 players returning. Should be a good clash
@Ringo…leave a gap in your diary for that Loftus clash!
@Playa…not at all. The english schools have always been up there, its just difficult as they struggle to put two seasons together as result of not enough depth.
HJS PBHS is there, but they have plenty depth.
Plus there are a number of parallel medium schools in my ten!!!
I know its tough its just a lucky packet, you never know what you gonna get, much like SA cricket, you never know how they will perform untill that day.
I had Selborn in there, but I wasn’t sure how the group would perform this year. Last year they drew with Monnas.
Glenwood also could be stronger than last years group I think, with last years u16 joining.
Kes should also be competitive.
Jeppe could supprize again, they had good u16 side 2016. Menlopark is playing them at Loftus.
This match could be a great starter to both school’s seasons and take some confidence away for rest of season.
@Cappie…mooi jaar vir jou ook dankie.
I think its all about piling on the pressure!
Helpmekaar wont supprize everyone as they did last year but they certainly got a good culture going there at Helpies.
…niks meer van die wal af in die sloot in stories, maar vandat hulle weet waar n opponent se doellyn hê los hulle hom nie uit nie!.
This will be a big year for Menlopark, without any excuses we will rise to any challenge. With no detrimental behaviour we will reach for the sky! We are excited about alot of new things the school have been working on. There is so much to look forward to as the new staff that has joined us will surely make there presence felt, and joining the success of old staff, building a better platform for any kid to enjoy at senior level.
The school will do their best to succeed, in giving the kids all they need to compete against the best at schoolboy level.
@Skopgraaf243: I realize one and all is rating Helpmekaar very high. Isn’t this the year for Menlopark to start showing what they truly can accomplish as a result of their good performances of their juniors over the previous couple of years?
Voorspoedige nuwe jaar vir almal en mag ieder en elk sy drome realiteit maak.
@Skopgraaf243: No faith in souties schools I see
From the Eastern Cape:
Watch out for Selborne College. Talented group playing as under 18s this year. Grey PE will also be quietly optimistic.
I see Windhoek High school in Namibie is celebrating centenary year.
@Ringo:
I heard Spear has been kicked out where he lives in Toti…huge drama with his Future Ex.
He slept in his bakkie a few days, shame the poor man has such bad luck with females. And he is such an affectionate romantic.
@GreenBlooded:
it was Skipskop
Are there any schools with 2017 centenary celebration ?
Prediction 2017:
1. – Grey Bloem
2. – Paarl Gym
3. – HJS PBHS
4. – Monument HS
5. – Paul Roos
6. – Helpmekaar College
7. – AHS
8. – Outeniqua
9. – Oakdale
10. – Boland Landbou
@boerboel:
Now there is an objective piece of wisdom!
@Ringo:
Speartackle = Android Login (gmail account)
Andre T = laptop account (Seef account – in noodgevalle)
Skepskop = MXIT account (defunct)
Festus Februarie = Skoonma se cellfoon
Nonnie = Skoonma se laptop
@Ringo: The thing with Peter Kirsten is, he has a sense of occasion with attention to details.
Way back when Marchant de Lange made his debut for the Proteas, the whole of Tzaneen was waiting for the moment when him and Dale Steyn would bowl in tandem, as it is very rare that two players from the same rural town play at that level, albeit they came from different schools.
I was travelling through the Karoo and listening in on Radio2000 when it happened. “And now we have an all out Tzaneen attack. there must be something in the water up there,” he quipped. Quite a guy!
@Ringo: BoishaaiPa will ring your neck for that Paarl schools playing for Boland comment. He’s explained it before – there was some logistical/political complication with the idea – which didn’t make it practical. But I see where you come from cause I have felt the same way.
I’d love to comment on the Zim and Namibia bit…but seeing as I am a Border supporter…I don’t think I qualify to speak up on that
@boerboel: Graeme Wepener has done a helluva lot for SACS rugby in the last 5 odd years. He will be missed in those ranks. The void he leaves is a massive one. The guy was a God in those corridors. Given that transition – SACS is a huge punt indeed. But as you’ve pointed out they have capable hands in Andrew and Anton. Time will tell. Maybe I just want them to be weaker because Dale play them at Cape Schools this year
@Playa: Ah I can always rely on your wisdom my brother.
On the SACS inclusion I would like to know what your intel is on them… If I am not mistaken they were the unofficial winners of the southern suburbs league.
I am going to say something controversial to our WP bloggers and I admit I know nothing about how the provincial rugby boarders were drown…… but in my humble and very much uninformed opinion think the Paarl schools should be playing for Boland in craven week and that the Boland should have two teams that team and Country districts team that also plays in craven week.
While we love our neighbours I think both Zim and Namibia should rather play in the academy week and not craven week while I am at as well.
Then I would have fully put my foot in my mouth now.
Sacs a bit of a punt-but i struggle to see anybody else
11 of their team of last still available-andrew paaterson and anton chiat excellent coaches-rugby on the up etc etc
i do not rate glenwood -lacks rugby culture-you cannot buy it
@boerboel: SACS is an interesting inclusion. Maybe you know something the rest of us don’t.
@Ringo: Speartackle is the evil twin that comes out when Andre T is pi$$ed off.
Can anyone answer this dumb question for me. Does it alternate in odd and even years between Andre T and Speartackle?
……… Or was spear a figment of our collective imaginations who will only re-appear during the next leap year 2020
@boerboel: I can’t see much wrong with that list.
Interesting to see SACS up that high. Based on Peter Kirsten’s niceties they are now my favourite southern suburbs team.
But I would love to know what intel you may have for us on them. If I am not mistaken they are not coming up to the big smoke for the Easter festivals.
So we may miss out on an opportunity to see something special.
@Andre T: You mean Jake White owns a Donkey. How do you know such intermit details about his life.
Most old boys who get tattoos seem to get a Jeppe one as well……. where on their bodies I have no idea
Glenwood
Come on the Green
@boerboel: Etter Boerie …..het jy Kellerprinz gesnuif….SACS?
I heard that Jake White has something about Jeppe tattooed on his arse
Let get the show on the road for 2017
top 5(in no order)
grey bloem
hjs
affies
sacs
paarl gim/monument/helpmekaar?
@Playa: Yeah saw him a few years back and also thought the same thing.
It seems its a trend with most athletes these days. They seem to be in better shape now than when they could have used those muscles to earn a pretty penny.
Quite scary sometimes.
Interesting story about James, maybe its folk legend or a made up fable as he rose prominently; was that he played u14 d team when he arrived at the school. To think he was springbok 3 years after school shows how much he busted his gut.
@Bush: Oh cool learn something new everyday.
I often joke that Jeppe seems to be everyone’s dirty little secret.
Heard on the radio on Saturday that the cricket commentator, statistician, and actuary Andrew Samson was also a Jeppe old Boy. I think he said he was in the same class with Jake White when he was at Jeppe.
Peter Kirsten said the nicest thing about Jeppe during that radio conversation. I was really moved by his comment. They even had a learner from the school during Tea time on Saturday, a recipient of the sunfoil trust scholarship, lovely young man from Kimberly.
Really nice I thought to myself. James is our last springbok player. Hopefully we get a couple more in years to come.
From what I hear he got more stick than he deserved during the 95 worldcup; but hey the boks won so I think that is all that matters.
@Bush: Saw James Dalton at a club rugby match in Durbanville last year. I thought he was one of the rugby players till I got closer and saw his face. He looks like he does 3 gym sessions a day
@Ringo: Must be, as Eric and Athol Rowan both played cricket for South Africa. Eric Captained SA and was I think President of the Transvaal Cricket Union. Plenty Legends have come from Jeppe, even James Dalton 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
@Bush: Will definitely do that.
Must say with a public school that is over 100 years old there have been tons of families through the gates. I am pretty sure I did even remember all the guys from my matric group and similarly very few from my year would know who I was.
The Rowan surname sounds familiar though.
I am not exactly a Jeppe Historian but think the cricket pavilion was called Beckwith and Rowan any relation?
@Ringo: Hi Ringo, I know one of the greatest families that have ever come out of Jeppe. You have to look up the Rowan and Broom family. They are legends.
@Ringo: This blog has an audience beyond what we’d like to think. Perhaps this thread pricked a few ears.
I’d like nothing better than seeing those kids, and others that might not excel at sport but could blossom at College. Unfortunately a great deal of the opportunity still offered at the good government schools comes at a cost. I’m not sure what the percentage is, but I believe the subsidy from government covers about 15% of the cost of running a school like College, Westville, Glwnwood, DHS. Despite that the school is 300% subscribed. Just last year there was a fundraiser that successfully catered for a 5 year BE stay at College for a boy who’s sole benefactor died. The boy was not given help because of what he could offer but because of his need. He has paid that back many times over in attitude and effort, just academics having improved by over 100 spots in his grade. Would I like to see more of that, hell yes, but it’s a R400,000 investment, per boy, because very often they need a complete change of circumstance. The boy in this instance had ended up sharing an informal house which was definitely not going to aid academic success.
Eeisch, could go off at a tangent here, so many evils affecting so many people, so little money. Quite depressing.
@Ringo: No easy solution indeed. I read a piece the other day on the history Hilton College (which Hiltonians won’t like), and a positive thing that caught my eye was that there used to be what was called Hilton Intermediary School on the campus. This school catered for the children and grandchildren of the workers who worked the facilities of the school. It closed in 2007 if I’m not mistaken, and in its history some of those workers’ children, those who excelled at a certain point found themselves in the college’s classrooms. Something that speaks to what McCulley has just pointed out. There are efforts to get the rough diamonds by a lot of schools – not enough miners and diggers. Perhaps an opportunity to re-look the purpose of basic education – is it to polish or to dig? It would be a worthy topic of discussion at an Indaba or something if our basic education system wasn’t in the mess it is. Heads high…for as long as there are diggers there is hope. My hope is that someone out there put his hand up for those twins after seeing that programme.
@McCulleys Workshop: and @Gungets Tuft: I admirer the good work that is done at both your prestigious schools.
I have no doubt that you are two upstanding citizens and have fully embraced the values and dream that is the rainbow nation. In fact on this blog you two behind @ Playa have championed the course and voyeurs like me coward away when some of the issues got contentious.
I mean we now live in a Bog and Grassy free blog.
However I am a strong believer in course I shall call no “Dummy left behind”
I think cricket abilities set aside. I think the fine teachers at college, MHS and in fact at all schools on this blog should be digging and not polishing.
But that is far fetched utopianism.
Like I said you damned if you do and damned if you don’t cause you may get accused of chasing sporting glory at the extent academic standards.
@Ringo: I think that could be your perception. I think many schools, companies and private individuals make meaningful contributions to less privileged learners. GT has explained what College do and if you go to the MHS website, they outline their community partnerships, which require compulsory involvement from all pupils. That is over and above a private bursary scheme they have had in place for black learners who could not afford to attend the school otherwise.
What a pleasure this site is without the porky and the doomsday prepper
@Playa: No easy solution at all, my mom is a teacher and involved in remedial education. In fact I am one of her prodigies yes can’t spell and my writing is sub par. But my maths is good and accounting great. Had she not given me the time day probably would not have made it out primary school. In fact my transformation was decent went from bottom of the class to top of the class in matter of year. By the time I was 16 I was a straight A student. Then I got lazy and like Charlie Gordon my academic intelligence has regressed a little over the years but did alright.
But at age six was told I am retarded and would not be able to learn anything at all.
Hence opportunity and circumstance changed my life.
Although my mom has often said some teachers are miners 9 (they find diamonds in the rough) and others jewel polishers they able to get the best out of finished articles.
@McCulleys Workshop: it is not easy at all. But not trying at all is not the answer.
@Ringo: Thanks. There obviously isn’t an easy solution.
@Ringo: I totally get you. It’s just that the other side of the coin is that a school may realise that they do not have the capacity to cater for a kid, and therefore decline their application. The motivation being that he will receive no benefit by being admitted at that level. Hence I suggested the spreading of the network of schools. A private school such as St Charles or Treverton for example, with smaller classes, and teacher capacity may be a more viable option than Glenwood or College who may have teacher capacity issues.
A loose example from my experience is from my involvement in an NPO that tutors maths in Gugulethu. When we started 7 years ago, we had this misguided vision of being a ‘school of excellence’. Little did we know that we would get a majority of really weak learners, and a handful of excellent kids. To this day, it is a constant mission to balance challenging the strong kids while not being too ahead for the weaker kids – and this with 4 tutors per class of 30 kids. I can only imagine the difficulty a single teacher with 40+ kids on different levels experiences. Extra classes are an option, yes, but remember that these are sporting kids, and it is the teachers themselves that need to coordinate their own schedules around the boys’ sporting commitments. It’s a huge ask.
If schools do not have such structures, they are right to decline. In my view the kids are better off not being there as they may end up being frustrated out of the system anyway. If the Trust offered to fund (and provide human capital) an academic program to supplement the classes already in place at the school…then maybe the schools could have a different outlook on these cases.
@McCulleys Workshop: In life there is no perfect, but society has seemed to suggest that sporting excellence is rarer than academic excellences. Those kids may not be able to change their lives merely because of where they were born.
I guess their no such thing as fair or perfect. But plenty talented people have shown you do not need to be Albert Einstein to make it.
I use Wayne Rooney and Quinton De Kock as examples and I fully understand that they are outliers.
But you know what creates outliers opportunities that is what.
@Gungets Tuft: and @Playa: Look the alternative is that if you take these Kids and try help them; you get accused of using sporting mercenaries to glorify sporting results at the extent of academic standards; hence you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
My personal believe is giving them opportunities and exposure to a model C/private schooling system exposes them to a different life and they able to aspire to be more than their lives in a shack as another statistic of fragmented unequal society. You would not believe me if I told that almost all the boys on the Theo Jackson fund have similar backgrounds to those twins.
Seeing what they have been able to do with their lives because of the opportunity makes one say take a chance on people so that you can be the change in society that you want to see.
I know it is not Jeppe V college thing but those kind of kids are taken in at Jeppe and given all the extra classes that they will need to get them through.
But sometimes you just need to accept that you may have a Wayne Rooney or Quinton De Kock ….. Incredibly talented sportsman who will not be Rhodes scholars in fact very far from being Rhodes scholars…… But you know very few people have the god given talent in each of those examples posses in their pinkies let alone their whole being.
@Ringo: Difficult to blame the schools as they have their own admission requirements, and I guess it would be unfair to make special concessions for certain kids. My feeling is that the KZN Development Trust will need to formulate programs in those schools, funded by them to assist those kids academically. The alternative would be to spread the net of schools and include schools that are able to accommodate those with little/no academic proficiency. Possibly with the aim of moving them to College or Glenwood in later grades once they have shown progress. More than just protecting a 100% pass rate, these schools have massive classes, and teachers that are trying to get through a curriculum. Makhaya had help…plenty of help mostly from Border Cricket (explains why he declined ever contract offer he got in his prime). KZN trust needs to do more than just pay the fees, there has to be active involvement in academic progress. I am sure they are doing the best they can so this is no indictment on them, just pointing out an area where they can do better at.
@Ringo: Hi Ringo, what do you think the perfect outcome was in this case?
@Ringo: Every school has to have a certain basic level of literacy for admission. It’s good for nobody if a kid comes into a school in Grade 8 and is unable to read or write.
Maritzburg College run a big program called Khanyisa. Look it up on their website, it’ll give you an inkling of what the school is doing for the less privileged.
@Playa: the Dale example with Makhaya is the dream situation these schools can charge peoples lives and should opened to all….. but alas they be a treat to the glorious 100% pass rate…… turning sheep herders into a twang masters should be the norm at these schools
@Roger: Hopefully the boys are not left behind due to them missing out on opportunities that most take for granted at these model C shools…… I mean can you imagine hearing that Wayne Rooney could not pursue his dream footie cause his marks were not good enough…. plus marks have not been impeded Quinie De Kock’s cricket ability …. I kid KZN development is doing wonders in townships and rural areas of KZN
@McCulleys Workshop: Hahahahahaha
@McCulleys Workshop: Whahaha just rolled my polony.
@Bush: Don’t worry Bush, you’ll be ok. You don’t have to share your polony anymore!
Me too, Alan my best buddy come back. Hopper you machine please Hop back. Anybody out there. Hopper????? Alan???? Mom??????
I miss him already
He’ll be missed
@Grasshopper: Gaan sny your garden. Please don’t hurry back as you won’t be missed.
@Roger: I think he’ll keep coming back to say goodbye
@Grasshopper: No Hops….dont go….I went to that place La Bella Trattoria across the street from DHS last night….jeepers what a festive place….the area a bit dodgy but the crowd there was great
@Grasshopper: you still here?
@McCulleys Workshop: No Jose…..they are from all cultures there boet, blonde, beige, brown and turqoise……do yourself a favour……go there one day with a satin jogging shorts and no undies and sit across from them……..they sliding off their chairs staring
@Speartackle: yeah, would be good to catch up too when I’m next in ethekwini. We have been around since early rugby365 days. Seems I have exhausted my welcome though, time out! Enjoy the rest of summer!
@Speartackle: Lol – it took you 5 sec to put your kung foo panda outfit on and have a crack…
Those chicks are mainly porras at Veg City, movembers over.
@Grasshopper: At the end of the day this blog won’t be the same without you and Bog…….the 3 okes I still want to meet most and have a few toots with are the 2 of you and Andre T……..you guys are celebrities……..these other punks are wannamakers
@Grasshopper: Name just one personal attack from me to you, I’ll take back and apologise unconditionally. I’ve taken jabs at you, and so have you a me, but never been personal. You have enough nemeses here to do that…I wouldn’t succeed even if I tried. I am, however, concerned that you are beginning to sound rather paranoid.
@Speartackle: Let us raise our testosterone levels in peace…the leap year has passed so it will be a bit tougher for some of us to get laid this year
@Grasshopper: Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
@Grasshopper: Yes I see the Silver Spooners giving you lots of kak here….and also that punk from Hillbrow High.
@McCulleys Workshop: I was at 14 on Chartwell the other night, thought I’d see you. My new hunting ground is the coffee shop at La Lucia’s Fruit & Veg on a Saturday morning between 9 and 12…..some seriously talented matures there
@Roger: ok…
@McCulleys Workshop: I don’t have a boss. I’ll leave then, better that way. It wasn’t a lie & I’m the only one who knows that…
@Grasshopper: if you and Bog bogged off permanently the blog would be an altogether more accommodating and civil place ………
@Grasshopper: You lie blatantly and then blame the blog! Have you thought of the possibility that the two people you mentioned could be the common detractors to the civil existence of the blog.
And put your real name back up, your boss is waiting for you.
@Speartackle: what is supposed to be a fun blog to have banter & talk a bit of kak, has become a personal attack on people like myself & Bog, just because we have differing opinions on some things. The blog etiquette has gone out the window and I think this blog will run it’s course soon. Beet needs to take better control of what is being said and I think to give the blog more credit require real names. That way it will be kept more civil…
@Speartackle: Howzit Spear, you still entertaining the matures in Toti? When you coming to visit the local talent in the Norff?
@Speartackle: yeah, seen trolls for years now, Nonnie, Slam, Bonthuis, Rottie, Boerboel and many others. You need to apply the Survivor motto; outwit, outplay & outlast. Seen it come & go many times….rabble rousers here to mud fling, give personal attacks and keep it interesting. I sometimes think Beet pays them to do it or is it Beet in many disguises, only he will know. It could even be the same dude in many disguises as the rhetoric is the same. Even those I used to respect like McCulley’s, Gungets Tuft, Playa, Star and others have started the personal attacks….
@Grasshopper: Gosh Hops….I take a break every now and then to recuperate……you okes have been going non stop since 13 October
@Roger: I would respect people’s comments more if they were brave enough to say who they are, until then it’s just trolling. I know one of these trolls is a friend or family member just winding me up, I have an idea who it is but not 100% sure….could be Bert, Footie or Kstan….
@Speartackle: a bit like your comments on West/East Rand & Toti pubs….yawn….
@Roger: I am wrong often & I learn something new every day & will do every day going forward. But I won’t stand down on things I know are correct.
Yaaaaawn…..this is like the Wimbledon mixed doubles final of 1976…….Mr & Mrs Mickey lead Mr & Mrs Mouse by 16 games to 15 in the final set….Mr Mickey to serve……new balls please
@Grasshopper: you remind me of David Lloyd when he was coach of the England cricket team. They toured Zimbabwe and lost the ODI series and drew the test series. David Lloyds’ memorable comment from the series was – “we flippin’ murdered them”. He refused to believe or admit Zim were the better team. You refuse to believe or admit that you are wrong – ever.
Know your limitations Hopper – you are a moron, when you accept that you will be a happier and nicer person
@Grasshopper: Nooooooooo
@McCulleys Workshop: very clever Mac, well done!
Well done Hashim Amla on 100 tests! Hopefully a ton too. Coming from the best cricketing school in the country, DHS!
@Grasshopper: thought for the day
The insecure are arrogantly confident.
@Roger: funnily enough, I was the well respected Digital expert in SA and he was an old media guy fighting to save his job, as we all know traditional media is dying. I mean if you honestly think digital is a small medium you pretty dumb…
@Roger: let me tell you something when it comes to digital media SA is about 5 years behind & there are very very few experts in SA.
My thought for the day; Insecurity sees confidence as arrogance.
@Roger: he isn’t well respected, in fact got fired from his agency. Always two sides to a story. We had an open and fair debate on it in Joburg about 3 years ago now.
@Ringo: I saw that to – heartbreaking but also uplifting to see the good work the KZN rural cricket development team and Sunfoil are doing. Hope those kids go on to really excel
@Roger: He has the bravery of the ignorant.
I follow certain individuals on Twitter (generally commentators / analysts who’s opinions and insights I respect) and one day was reading a long Twitter thread about print versus digital media – the future, which medium advertisers prefer, is print media dead, is digital the future and how effective is social media etc etc etc. Lo and behold up pops our friend Hopper to get embroiled in a Twar with a well respected and well know advertising guru in SA. Suffice to say Hopper got mauled but true to form he stuck to his story and refused to admit that he may, just may, be incorrect on certain issues.
@Ringo: One has to wonder…Makhaya Ntini came to Dale as a 16 year old who couldn’t utter a single word of the queen’s language. With a little push from people who gave a damn…23 years later he has some cricketing records, and even has a twang when speaking English. We like to preach that hard work pays as human beings, and yet shy away from putting a little hard work in another individual.
@Beet -any idea why Hilton College is missing?
@Grasshopper: Nooooooo
@Grasshopper: No my best buddy, mom and peace. My mom took my jersey away. After she had read my previous threads. I told her I was hacked. You know mom’s?????
@Bush: Love and peace, good luck!
@Rottweiler: Coming from Mr Noxious himself…that is hilarious…
@Grasshopper: Hey my best buddy. I leave at that.
@Bush: Bush, don’t hold back. This oke feels nothing to be horrible to others. He had no mother, that’s why he is the way he is. If he came from a complete home with a mom, he would have manners.
@Bush: Yes I am aware of that hence having a step mother who is a teacher. The way you speak on here I don’t think she taught you well enough, it must have been from boarding at House…
@Grasshopper: Yes, and they teach you the finer things in life. Which you don’t have. Flip what am I saying, I remember now. How crass of me.
@McCulleys Workshop: I haven’t lied, I have the evidence. So that theory is out the window. You obviously have no clue about employment law either.
Speaking of weeding out or excluding academically weak students. I saw a heartbreaking piece about these talented cricketer twins from Umlazi who qualified for KZN cricket development trust scholarships. But who could not get a place at any of the schools that participate in the program because of their academics. I do not know if anyone else saw it on Inside Edge
Unless I am mistaken the schools mentioned as participants in the program and hence that rejected these boys based on academics were and in no particular order Maritzburg College, Marchinson Prep, Glenwood High and Prep.
It got me thinking about missed opportunities and squares in round pegs.
@Grasshopper: Whatever they do or don’t do is hearsay, however it is a fact that you have lied. If I was your boss and found you on this blog trading as Alan, and saw your blatant pathology, I would fire you, that’s a fact.
@Bush: Good for you, so you a mommies boy?
@Grasshopper: I never grew up in Toti and I live in Umkomaas. Oh yes, I had a mother that took care of me.
@McCulleys Workshop: All of this is a bit of fun, so we all know it’s full of BS. But when certain bloggers get personal I will get personal with them. You see, the difference is I don’t hide behind Avatars…
@McCulleys Workshop: Agreed BUT you know the privates will do anything to protect their 100% pass rate, absolutely anything. So sometimes a little private meeting with the parents to say Johnny isn’t keeping up with his classmates maybe look somewhere else please. There is no hard evidence of this but it happens……
@Bush: and Toti is any better……? hahahahah
@Grasshopper: Grow up. That’s all anecdotal BS.
All schools, government and private, recommend certain pupils for remedial assessment and in certain instances suggest for good reason that they would be better served at a remedial school, to assist with learning difficulties, before main streaming again. This is not private schools discriminating against a pupil, ALL schools refer to Livingston for the benefit of the pupil.
@Grasshopper: There you go again been ugly and personal. What can one expect from a person that grew up on the Bluff and was educated at GW.
@Bush: yes, it’s called a 100 foot garden, regular occurrences kabouter…
@Grasshopper: And okes have lawns in the U.K. Whahahahaha I just rolled my polony.
@McCulleys Workshop: Yes McBaldy, three kids in high school and three in primary. Thank god you were never a lawyer….
@Bush: hahahahhahahahh……almost rolled my lawn mower. Real men grow beards…….classic….
McCulleys Workshop on 12 January, 2017 @ 12:06
@Grasshopper: How many kids do you know were referred to Livingston in grades 9, 10 and 11?
Grasshopper on 12 January, 2017 @ 12:44
@McCulleys Workshop: three…
What am I missing? You are tap dancing again, blatant untruth Hopper.
@Grasshopper: Just think through what you write before you write it, and when flaws are pointed out, acknowledge, retract/rephrase. Then you will avoid this mess. Now I see you are claiming kids were being taken from grade 9,10 &11 back to primary school. See what I mean?
@McCulleys Workshop: you see I don’t care what people think, something I have learnt over the years. That is why I am happy to use my real name and not hide behind avatars. I have suggested to Beet it should be real name only. You will suddenly see less brave people here. I would say what I say to anyone here on the blog to their faces. You see I call a spade a spade. If you really want to know it was my wife’s sister who was at Durban Girls College, she had severe ADHD and was told to go to Livingstone for a few years, which she did and returned to College to get 6 B’s. The same happened to a family friends boy at Clifton. Another at Highbury. These kids are all now out of school but know of others this happened to but higher up in the system. My step mother sits on IEB Headmasters committee, she knows exactly what is going on. It’s not out there for regular people to know about. I just so happen to have people I know who know this…
@Grasshopper: Don’t jump to conclusions again. You my best buddy and I wasn’t talking about. I thought you were in the U.K. not OZ mate.
Regarding the beard, real men grow beards.
@McCulleys Workshop: nope, it was lower down. You see some private schools start at primary level…..duh!
@Grasshopper: You discredit yourself daily
@Grasshopper: Three what, suckers?
You know three kids that were referred to Livingston for grade 9, 10, 11. Mmmmm you are in trouble here, you see Livingston is called Livingston Primary School, and takes learners up until grade 7.
You really are having a bad few days/years in the office. I guess that’s why you changed your name back to Grasshopper, you didn’t want your new boss to find out about your social activities during work hours and him having to contend with the pork pies you dangle out there in the name of “fact” and “truth”. All for the sake of school boy rugby and progressing the cause of Glenwood and Hopper, Jesus wept!
@Bush… thanks a mil. To you too
@Playa: Agreed, it doesn’t apply to all. I should have put a caveat on the statement. You lot will pounce on anything to discredit me.
@McCulleys Workshop: Incorrect again, I have the evidence. You keep on forgetting I have family and friends in education. Also, we have family and friends with kids at school, you don’t have to have your own kids at school to know whats going on, jeez think a bit more. Lastly I have never owned a Beano mag and only have the yearbooks of 1992 to 1996 on my bookshelf, the ones given to me at school……..people make sweeping statements on here all the time. We all know it doesn’t apply to ALL schools….
@Skopgraaf243: have a read; https://seanhamptoncole.wordpress.com/2015/10/30/the-most-innovative-schools-in-south-africa/
@Bush: Classic coming from a neanderthal idiot who thinks it’s cool to have a beard in their 40’s, grow up mate..
@McCulleys Workshop: three…
@Grasshopper: Bra…if you’re going to generalise, you need more than just a handful of small private schools as reference. I know a few government schools that weed out weaklings as well. Some that weed out kids who don’t meet performance clauses set out in their ‘bursary’ agreements. Is it then fair to pass a generalisation to all because a minority practice such? Come on Hops, you’re smarter than that.
@Skopgraaf243: Happy New Skopgraaf. Hope 2017 is a lekker one for you and your family. That thing is a tollie, he’s as thick as the glasses he wears.
@Hopper …. you need a Doooming experience! To compliment the bullshit you come up with.
Reminds me of the new kid bragging and going on about what you know and how much better you are and stuff you have!…
Why you don’t join old BOG for some “two-step” and do all a flavour
@Bush….those are the exact systems I was referring to in the noordvaal thread. The public schools have stagnated as far as the development programs for the kids they cater for. Academics and sports, culture etc.
obfuscate, deflect, move goalposts, change tack, sidetrack, shift – anything but admit incorrectness
@Grasshopper: How many kids do you know were referred to Livingston in grades 9, 10 and 11?
@Grasshopper: You will fabricate anything to uphold the LIE! Why on earth would you end up with all that evidence on hand of kids that aren’t yours, when you are not involved with education nor are your kids at school going age! Do you keep all these letters and “records” with your Beano mags and GW annuals. It’s extraordinary to say the least…
@Grasshopper: Another tall story Alan, my son’s academic grounding at GW was piss poor. Private Schools have systems to get the kids on track. Of which he is in that system. At the Private Schools they care about their kids.
@McCulleys Workshop: Nope, again I have evidence of kids being told their academics are not up to standard so need to move to another school, this at grade 9, 10 and 11. Some cases where the kid is very weak told to go to Livingstone and can return once up to standard.
@Grasshopper: Everyone writes matric in their own name, although schools have the right to terminate the enrollment of a pupil for various offenses and the pupil would then write their matric independently from the school. You cite one incident where you state you have a letter, that’s very different from your clear allegation that “privates weed out weak academics by grade 10” making a clear point that it is done to bolster their pass rate stats. That was an untruth.
@Grasshopper: You also mentioned entrance exams, MHS don’t have entrance exams ( I don’t think that Hilton do either ) ,certain boys are invited to write the scholarship exams and that is it.
My own view is that the biggest criteria for entry into a lot of the schools like Hilton , MHS , Kearsney etc is affordability. If you can afford to pay and you want your kid to go to these schools most times they will get accepted.
@McCulleys Workshop: Nope, I have evidence of it boet. A letter asking a kid to write his matric under his own name. It was a small private school I won’t mention, but these sorts of things have happened before. You know I can’t disclose this on a blog so you riding that I don’t have evidence when I do. I also have evidence of the whole Marne-gate saga, documents sent to me by TK.
@Grasshopper: You like to obfuscate the actual discussion, this is about your factual allegation that private schools weed out poor academics by grade 10, not about replacing entire teams or cancelling fixtures. When you are caught telling an untruth, you come out spewing side tracks, which in themselves are generally untrue. Own it, you told a fabricated story and made out it was fact.
@Far Meadows: Your fellow OB’s do….plus the Moffies on the Mound who cancelled fixtures with GW…
@Grasshopper: I don’t think I have ever claimed that they do .
@Far Meadows: you know what is fake news, Glenwood buying entire teams in grade 11….
@Grasshopper:
‘@Tang: privates weed out weak academics by grade 10…’
to quote Donald Drumpf , that is ‘FAKE NEWS’ .
@BOG: GCBse resultate maar power.
wat fout boggie?
anc/rooi gevaar /illuminati?
of die lugdruk?
@BOG…lyk my daai ratex werk nie,
, het jy al “two-step” 
probeer?…laat my dink aan vroeër jare wat sekere kerk groep mag deelneem aan sekere aktiwiteite, MAAR hulle mag dit nie geniet nie! 
ALLES VAN BESTE VIR 2017 “KARNAVAL” VIR JOU!
@Gungets Tuft: Take some time and when and if you are sober, read just some of the “comments” here- one will require therapy if you were to read all, you will realize that there is enough shit spewed to fill the biggest sewage farm in SA-if you can find one which still works. Early indications are, that 2017 will not be a good year for you. Do some in depth research on the local hamburgers, so that the rugby can be avoided. By the way, I said 600 000 and not 400 000. Tuning in for January 20. Then France, Netherlands, Germany, Greece— And then our very “own” , “dr”(Cuba) Nkosazana.
@Gungets Tuft: Shosholoza…kulezo ntaba..Stimela!!!
@Playa: Stimela
@Gungets Tuft: Try a whorehouse in Arusha…
@Grasshopper: I don’t know any Rudi’s, other than Visage.
@Gungets Tuft: Did you have to?
@Roger: The oke that manages the stop at Montrose has a boy at College. If you were into conspiracies ….
Has anyone seen Bog recently
@Tang: Dawn it …. I was just about to get our printing press going for the number 1 at LO banners
@Tang: Or very well orientated boys
@Ringo: I must correct my error. KES have a higher ratio of LO distinctions (per pupil). Jeppe and KES must have excellent LO teachers or departments.
@Ringo: Playa has given a good description of the subject.
As far as I can see, Jeppe has the highest ratio of LO distinctions amongst the Boys Schools.
If Jeppe were getting maths and science distinctions at this rate, the queue to get into the school would go past St Benedicts. It may even stretch to Pretoria
@Ringo: It’s a compulsory subject in all schools. Fail it (extremely difficult to do so), and you fail the grade. Regardless of your other marks.
Not sure how he number of distinctions in LO can be used as a marketing ploy. If anything it speaks well of the boy in a Jeppe blazer. I thought Tang was just throwing banter at one of their old foes.
@McCulleys Workshop: is that what Rudi told you guys? I don’t have insider contacts anymore. I’ll dig though…
@Grasshopper: Let me know once you’ve finalized your bursary stripping investigation.
@Tang: I do not know, maybe it is because they get great life skills training at Jeppe. I really do not know what life orientation is never had it as a subject at school………….
been told on numerous occasions that it is similar to guidance/life skills …… Hence one of the few subjects that one does not need to study for and can do well at with an inherent high EQ.
Don’t all government schools do Life orientation or is only Jeppe?
I am not being sarcastic I genuinely do not know.
Are we the best at life orientation maybe we can use that on a marketing banner?
@Roger: Yes, Donald Rump and Hops.
@Tang: Tough to argue against the sponsorship labels on SBR jerseys. I am indifferent on the matter, which maybe is hypocritical because I am anti-professionalism in SBR. I was at school back in the 90s when the trend started and it was such a cool thing to see MTN on the Grey PE jersey, Canon & Reebok on the QC jersey…Dale back then had the local glass maker “Marc’s Glass” on their jersey. Where I am going is that it is only right that the school jersey be kept as was originally – brand free; however, it is not as easy as it used to be to raise funds for tours, host fixtures, travel to fixtures, purchase equipment, and pay for other resources which have come with the evolution of the game. There are schools that probably wouldn’t even have rugby at school without the few sponsors that they have.
Some argue that the badge matters more (hence you’ll find boys running onto the field clutching onto the badge rather than the whole jersey), and so should we really fuss about a few adverts on the jersey? Most schools even have advertising boards on school property. The sports fields are also branded. The school magazine (and now websites) have pages of advertisement. Festivals and tournaments are now branded. I don’t have the answers.
@Rugger fan: 6 May at KES, 12th of August at College – not sure if that is final though
@Roger: yes the KES Twitter handles & supporters, it’s non stop retweeting & blowing wind up their own asses….and myself as you trying to indicate…
@Rugger fan: it’s a double header from what I can see – home and away – maybe the KES boys can share with the College boys the number of their contact at Harrismith for the bus trip
@Tang: it sounds very fishy that someone was asked to write matric under a false name… that would embroil either the IEB or the department of education in the fraud. The story teller has spent too much time on R&R’s in a shabeen.
@Roger: nope, an opinion is exactly that an opinion. Factually Westville produce the best academic results in KZN but I don’t like the culture and feeling there, that is subjective. Narcism has got nothing to do with it…
@Roger -I see College are down for a second year in a row having an away fixture against KES. Is this by any chance linked to an incident 2 years back when some of the KES boys went vegetarian at the Harrismith 1/2 way stop?
@McCulleys Workshop: I have no idea. It sounds fishy.
@Grasshopper: Ok, it’s entirely hearsay, however it is “rumored” that a certain model C Durban school, removed 1 u14 and 2 u15 rugby bursaries from recipients during 2016. Do your investigative work and let us know if it’s true.
As with all of this, there may be grounds for it.
Sorry – coming in a little late here
1) College Aquatics – has really suffered in the last few years – regularly take rugby/cricket scores in the Open age groups – some individual stars in the pool but most often with private coaching. so a real area of improvement needed in the school from the lofty periods of 80’s and 90’s unfortunately. Some good boys join at junior levels – but the structures are not as strong as other schools.
2) Sponsorship on jerseys – yes – a big bane in SA SBR IMO. I have heard muttering by a few schools to revert to the old days of no sponsorship on jerseys in the future. Will see if it will take off?
Narcissism is egotistical preoccupation with self, personal preferences, aspirations, needs, success, and how he/she is perceived by others.
Does anyone know anyone like this ………..
@Grasshopper: objectively – your subjective opinions are mostly factually and substantively incorrect. When challenged on this – you shift and deflect and avoid factual responses rather than conceding – that’s called narcissism.
@Roger: House have no strip sponsorship.
@Tang: How does that work, you matriculate as Stevie Wonder?
@Ringo: Why do Jeppe get so many LO distinctions? 84 distinctions out of 183 pupils (45% of boys get LO distinctions). 46% of Jeppe’s distinctions are in LO.
Is this a marketing trick or a way to sell the school? Tell prospective students that Jeppe averages 1 distinction per boy.
@Grasshopper: that’s not subjective – that’s fact 8)
Full version; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tvW2cPEt_NM
@BoishaaiPa: ok here; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2yQx-BHxQ
And;
@Grasshopper: Nope..the final result is just another weekly result..They don’t play the final in November. I am afraid you misread that results table. That info is incomplete and is stipulated as such by the website.
@Bush: Indeed, but even there it’s tough finding money. Times are hard at the moment, the money flowing in from annuity donors is still coming in, but the new donors are probably harder to find. It’s tax deductible if set up correctly, so not a bad deal. Despite Old Boy loyalty and support, you’ve got to be seen to be doing the right thing. I believe that the College Foundation is doing that and support them where I can.
@Roger: it’s called subjective, do you know what that is? Opinion, another term you might need to brush up on. It’s like its KES’s opinion they are the greatest school in the world…
@Tang: House, Hilton, St Andrews perhaps?
@Grasshopper: show me the evidence that there are no decent govt primary schools in JHB?
@Roger: St Johns also have no sponsors logos.
@Roger: The other two I can think of are SACS and Parktown Boys. I am not sure about St Johns and St Stithians. I think St Stithians have a big Saints on the jersey but no sponsors logos.
@Roger: when you have evidence it’s called fact buddy. The results table I produced is called fact…
@McCulleys Workshop: ol’ Springkaan struggles to understand the difference between fact and opinion / hearsay – it’s above his paygrade
@Grasshopper: but you aspire to
believe in yourself
@Tang: KES PBHS home away fixture always was / is my favourite.
Off the top of my head I only know of KES, PBHS and Bishops that have no sponsorship etc on their jersey – who else?
@Grasshopper: There was something else I wanted to add. There are no checks and balances in school boy rugby.
If the brakes are not applied to the level of professionalism in school boy rugby, then I predict many disasters and acts which go against the value of school sport.
It starts with a sponsors logo, then it progresses to bursaries, then to banned substances, etc. Who regulates school boy rugby and some of the offensive actions we have seen by schools?
I keep warning that we have developed a culture which places more value on schoolboy rugby results than on traditional values and ethos.
@Tang: yep, heard that rumour too. The worst one was asking a boy to write the exam independently!
@Tang: yep, agreed on the manufacturers logo. It started quite a while back when Mr Price manufactured and sponsored quite a few schools. The sponsorship should be on signboards around the school, especially for televised games. I don’t like the large logos on jersey’s either…
@boerboel: wrong person, I don’t do web design ?
@Grasshopper: My concern is two fold:
1) It is school boy rugby which is still amateur. Sponsors logos on school clothing make it professional.
2) It is a school jersey which should never be for sale. To me, it is unfathomable to think of a sponsor’s logo on a PBHS jersey.
I have no problem with the typical clothing logo such as Puma, Nike, etc. The only stipulation I would make is the logo must be smaller than the school badge.
I think it adds to the pressure and takes enjoyment away from the game.
@Grasshopper: I see my little fat web designer friend caught out fabricating facts again
@McCulleys: I know you didn’t ask for my opinion, but I thought I would chip in. That kind of behaviour is despicable. Giving a bursary to a grade 8 boy is a significant risk. Since schools are demanding so much from their pupils on bursaries, I believe the situation will get worse. In future expect to see performance clauses with bursaries.
@Tang: Puma sponsor Glenwood’s kit and it helps fund things like the scrum machines etc, nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
@McCulleys: Is it an Urban Legend? It seems to be a widely held belief with little evidence to confirm it. I have also heard that privates make weak candidates write under different names. Again, this is just a rumour.
@Grasshopper: Never claimed to be, and neither did either of us refer to the existing ones as half wits
@beet: I think it is time you update the jersey avatars. Over the December period, I was watching some of the premier inter-schools fixtures on SuperSport 1 and the bulk of the jerseys bear no resemblance to the avatars. As an example (no offense to Grasshopper), The Monnas Versus Glenwood fixture should rather be the SBS/ Spur team Versus the Photo Notes team. On another occasion, I watched Monnas playing in muddy conditions against Waterkloof. If there were a guest from abroad, he would never have been able to discern that this was a school boy fixture. All I could see on the Monnas clothing was SBS/ Spur Steak Ranches. There was a UK premier league fixture which aired directly after the SBS/ Spur game, and there was less advertising on the pro clothing. Grey Bloem should now be called, One Life Direct/ Vodacom (they also have an additional sponsor on the sleeve).
How may schools have not sold their jersey? I reckon it is down to less than five schools now.
@McCulleys Workshop: I can defend it, but not on here. When I visit Durbs again I’ll show you the evidence. I can also show you the emails I sent to TK questioning his dodgy behaviour and his responses. All emails are kept soundly in a private folder.
I don’t agree with that, boys change too much between 13 & 16 to expect too much. Rather lower the bursary % up front and increase it later if they perform, so 50% now and up to 100% if they play 1st team.
@Grasshopper: You made a categoric statement that you can’t defend, so I’ll accept it as a non fact.
But while we are on the topic of culling, what’s you opinion of a school enticing a grade 7 boy with a rugby bursary, and then removing it for non performance a year or two later?
@Grasshopper: I have a higher level than you. You are lower than Haai Kak. Gaan aan, you are doing well for yourself.
@Rottweiler: I won’t drop to your level any longer…
@McCulleys Workshop: no one provides solid evidence on a blog matey, you obviously have no clue how blogs work. It’s called an ‘opinion’ blog. I could post letters etc on here but that could have legal repercussions so for now it’s an opinion that I have evidence of. My sister in law was asked to leave a prominent private school because she was getting a D for maths. It’s not all private schools, but many are so fixated on pass rate they will do anything to protect it. Maybe investors stipulate it as a KPI..
@BoishaaiPa: there is an option to change to 2016/2017 and the final result at the top is the final…
Ja Hopper, you dancing lekka to your own song. You always ugly when you are caught out lying. You give the souties a kuk name. It’s lekka because you think you so clever, but you lekka doos stupid.
@Grasshopper: Bedford..That website is just showing results..not the log or the champions…and your link is for 2015/16 season. They are currently playing the 2016/17 season.
@Grasshopper: That’s not the question nor the answer:
You stated:
@Tang: privates weed out weak academics by grade 10…
I’m saying prove it.
Let me know when you’ve finished tap dancing.
@BoishaaiPa: who is they? Bedford or St Georges of Harpenden?
@BoishaaiPa: Beet posted it earlier too;
http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/?p=14833
@BoishaaiPa: it’s called the Natwest Schools Cup; http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/natwest-u18-schools-champions-trophy/2015-2016/#/results
@McCulleys Workshop: also with class sizes of between 15 & 20 private scholars get a lot more individual attention, so again high marks expected. For me a school like PBHS with almost 300 matrics and class sizes probably between 30 & 40 to get their results is an amazing achievement. Well done PBHS!!
@Grasshopper: What league did they win?..according to this log they are no 25..
http://www.schoolsrugby.co.uk/TeamLeaguePerformance.aspx
@McCulleys Workshop: what evidence would you like?
@Grasshopper: prove your comment, not he said she said.
@McCulleys Workshop: just like with bursaries etc, too much happens behind the scenes to have concrete evidence, but my wife attended Durban Girls College, my mother-in-law worked there and as you know I have 3 sisters & a step mother in teaching. They know what’s going on. Kids are advised to find other schools early on if that not meeting academic requirements. The first filter is entrance exams. This is their prerogative as private schools, so by Matric a 100% pass rate should be a given, they only have the cream. That is why I don’t get excited by those metrics. For me a conversion metric would be better eg converted 50 C students in grade 10 to 50 A ones….
@Grasshopper: Please prove your comment 24
@Playa: and both you and baldy are experts?
@Roger: Very strange. As you point out the KES VS Westville fixture has been running for far longer than Jeppe Westville. I think masters and relationships play an important part in the decision.
Good to see that PBHS and KES play the traditional home and away this year.
The first fixture is quite early – 25 March
@McCulleys Workshop: Bloody brain drain is costing us an asset
@Playa: There is only one suitably qualified South African economist, and he’s living in Sherwood Forrest.
@Grasshopper: From the “Simply the Best’ thread. You wrote:
Alan Morrissey on 1 December, 2016 @ 09:54
@boerboel: I don’t think Bog ever put a date on the 65 to 1, trust me it’s coming boet. Maybe not now but within 5 years. Remember I’m an optimist too, went back to SA for 4 years because I was optimistic about its future. Unfortunately even being paid in the top 1% I found it difficult to see the positives. Worst country in the world for Maths & Science school standards & a minister who thinks that is good doesn’t bode well….no wonder our economists are half wits…
@Gungets Tuft: Morning GT. That’s why having a strong OB following is so important to a school. Then secondly you can’t spend the Crown Jewels on non important things. As you can’t recover all those development costs through school fees.
Have seen a few pics of the new intake at College doing Vietnam. Looks hard but I’m sure they are loving it. Building new friendships and becoming brothers.
@Grasshopper: Prove your comment 24.
@Grasshopper: Just pulled the plug on their new build on the south side of Dixons. Money not as easy to come by as you’d think.
@Playa: I think you confusing me with ou Ploegie!
@Bush: Youre speaking to a top 1% earner here….a bar is pocket change to that man
@Bush: not sure. OB’s got an email about buying shares in a scheme. Or they could ask Oom Ivan for a few bar..
@Rottweiler: Ill leave thinking from ones doos to you & ones brain to others..,
@Grasshopper: Under what fund scheme have they been raising funds? That should be local news. That’s millions of Rands needed for such a development. Is that why you went to the U.K.? Bring back the Pounds for the scheme??????
@Grasshopper: But a good caravan cost about R100k. And rent in a trailer park is cheap. You must think outside your doos.
@Bush: Yep, been raising money for years now. Plans to build quite a few things in the coming years…
@Rottweiler: directly from a twakpraater means alot….
@Grasshopper: That takes money to make it happen. Hope GW have got some good OB investors. Good luck for that. I wouldn’t like to be given that task.
@Rottweiler: Dude a bar in SA is nothing, most cars cost more than that. You can’t even buy a small 3 bedroom house in Joburg for under 2.5 bar…
@Bush: I think College won one game of waterpolo last year against St Charles, they got 20 plus numerous times. Their Aquatics is not where it should be. Glenwood 1st vs College won 22-3…
@Grasshopper: Ja your first bar in kak praat.
@Bush: Same can be said for any of the traditional Model C schools, College is not unique. First bar made a decade ago now. Glenwood will make a plan like College to increase the BE size by buying local property. Westville are doing exactly the same.
@Grasshopper: I can’t comment on that as I don’t follow aquatic sports. You just have to look at their history past and present, the strength of the OB’s and the quality of young man that comes out that school. It’s a complete school. Even taking into consideration their location. Generation after generation go to that school. It will be like that long after you make your first million.
@Grasshopper: College doesn’t need the local population to fill its school. I’m sure you are clever enough to understand that. Westville I’m afraid is 2000% better than the suburbs that surround GW.
Every person in SA no matter where you live have experienced some violent crime. You can’t use that as a void point. I would rather live in Westville than any where around GW.
@Bush: how is College aquatics getting on? Hopefully better than recently…
@Bush: And Martizburg is Utopia
. Westville crime is getting out of control, my mate was murdered in cold blood there a few months back… 
@Grasshopper: Whats wrong with Toti bars????? Maybe you should come around for a drink. They have older than 40 year but then it may not be a whiskey.
Before you shout your silly mouth off about people and things. Please check yourself out first.
Westville and College are by far the best Gov schools in the KZN Area. I have never been up the Northern Natal way. They must have some great schools. If they weren’t then GW would not be taking kids from those schools. GW is going to become a dump. Say in 5 years then it will be the proper Scumbilo Tech. Street Trading will be a subject followed by becoming a male
courtesan.
@Grasshopper: He will have to go to the “scaredy” kat skool. You can spend some of your fourchin on your family for once. In that case he may have to become a driller. To drill open your tight arse
@Grasshopper: Hehehehe…stop digging mate
@Roger: what I have noticed here watching age group club rugby is the boys are far better conditioned & pretty big, especially at lock. Founded in 1552 I doubt they copied the KES colours…,?
@Roger: haha! Classic! Form here is seasonal, so must have been a weak year. Also SA schools play UK schools in the beginning of their seasons where the boys are a year younger. Most top players are in clubs by 16…
KES played Bedford school in 2009 and gave them 50- thereafter Bedford adopted the red jersey
@McCulleys Workshop: prove what?
@Grasshopper: Prove it.
@McCulleys Workshop: plenty buddy, this blog & Glenwood are a tiny little hobby for me. A passing interest. I have a young family to enjoy. One needs to learn to be humble and accept defeat graciously…
@Grasshopper: What are you going to do with yourself when Glenwood are no longer handing out “big smacks” to their opponents? It’ll be tough on you, you won’t have much left to hang your hat on.
@McCulleys Workshop: just so you aware Bedford School won the English league and would give House a nice smack…
@McCulleys Workshop: or Adventures of middle aged Folicly challenged men in Toti bars…
@Grasshopper: Well tough, it’s a school boy rugby blog, in case you can’t read that far, not “the adventures of Hopper”.
@McCulleys Workshop: House & Hilton might as well play Ashton College & Crawford College at this rate…
@Rottweiler: yes, maybe he can become a Vet and put down rabid dogs like you…
@McCulleys Workshop: just like I don’t give a rats ass about what House are doing, they have dropped into a soft league playing smaller weaker schools..,
@Grasshopper: Did say that GW is Techincal School. Why not send you snapper there. He maybe a good Drain Doctor. UK need those okes as the place is full of kak like you. You block the drains. Maybe he will get you out nice and clean.
@Grasshopper: I couldn’t give a continental tyre where you plan to send HOPPER 1 or 2. We’ve been through all this crud before, each time you blink or think of blinking we have to be subject to Modern Family Hopper and the search for the perfect school.
@Grasshopper: Ok…at least we’ve now moved up from ‘poor’ to ‘mediocre’…let’s see if we can’t raise it up another notch.
@Roger: little hopper will go here; http://www.bedfordschool.org.uk/Rugby
They had the Red jersey many years before KES even existed ?
@Roger: wrong again, this is where I live;
https://www.google.co.za/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/03/18/how-englands-class-of-2016-was-made-in-harpenden/amp/?client=safari
If he is not into rugga, plenty of other things to play. Darts and snooker are not sports and are not an option
@Grasshopper: what if little Hopper prefers technical drawing to rugby and woodwork to cricket – will you send him to Glenwood then or to your local comprehensive in Berkshire?
My bet is little Hopper will be playing darts and snooker in the local with his Oi Geezer mates rather than bashing it up the middle at Eton
@McCulleys Workshop: always beat House in my day ?
@Grasshopper: Are you living at altitude, your debating skills are left wanting!
@Roger: not at all….PBHS would be my Gov choice in Gauteng…
@Grasshopper: tut tut tut – jealous are we…..
@star: hmmm, not sure all of those have a final or cup to decide that. But well done. I think squash & golf are debatable. Cross country? Since when? Swimming & volleyball no question. One could argue softball & baseball are one in the same, different yes but same players used. Hockey & indoor hockey too. Glenwood coukd then claim Rugby 7’s…
@Playa: for the all conquering Red tide, red passion, greatest school on earth its mediocre……that is the truth….
@Grasshopper: From memory swimming( and National),squash,golf, hockey,indoor hockey,volley ball,cross country,softball and baseball.
@Roger: we all know that was said in jest as people call Glenwood Scumbilo High etc.
@Roger: yep as are your opinions too ???
@Grasshopper:
“If KES thinks those are great results, they are not setting their standards too high.”
Sorry,what????
Ja well, no fine.
@Grasshopper: I’m very happy you have now publicly stated it’s YOUR opinion. Thank God it counts for very little ……
@Tang: @star: I see KES now have a home and away double header with College. Pity because the KES Westville fixture started about 20 years ago if memory serves.
@Grasshopper: I see
@Grasshopper: hahahahahahahaha – now you go on about demographics and middle to lower income areas. I am sure all bloggers here will remember you calling KES Hillbrow High and saying how the surrounding areas were falling apart. You love moving the goal posts when it suits you!
I think KES’s results are very good – room for improvement definitely but very good nonetheless. Let’s leave it at that
@Roger: In MY opinion there are are not any, sorry Joburg. If KES thinks those are great results, they are not setting their standards too high. Glenwood won’t be happy with their results either, satisfied they have improved but will want to strive for better…
@Playa: high standards indeed – don’t forget this is the same chap who publicly states there are no decent government prep school in JHB
@Playa: Perspective helps here, it’s where they coming from to now and the demographics. Glenwood traditionally has been known as a technical high school, but that is only really a legacy thing because it was a Technical High school in the 1910’s and 20’s. They do offer IT, Technical Drawing, Mechanics, Electronics etc but also the standard subjects. So over the years people saw it as a school for blue collar kids not bright enough to do high level maths and science. That is a stigma that stayed there. However, the school has produced many Rhodes, Elsie Ballot, Cecil Renaud etc Scholars; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/glenwoods-rhodes-scholars-4/. The core day boys at Glenwood come from middle to lower income areas like the Bluff, Queensburgh, Toti, Umbilo etc so their parents don’t have the same resources for extra lessons like more affluent area schools like Westville, Northwood and KES. This is not to say academics is directly related to wealth, but it helps to have more resource. The KES poor comment came from that article about 5 to 6 years ago about best schools in SA for Maths and Science, KES were pretty poor in this area, well below most of the KZN schools. They have obviously improved too, so well done to them. I think from the amount of hot air they go on about allround excellence you would expect them to be up with Westville, PBHS and SACS, but they not. Jeppe’s results are what Glenwood used to get, so that might show you the sort of improvement. It takes great teachers to get this sort of improvement.
@Grasshopper: You chose the word ‘poor’ to describe KES’s academics. Maybe I am being anal. I am not saying they are phenomenal, just pointing out that their results are one-in-the-same with Glenwood’s…in both 2015 & 2016. and yet, on one hand you praise Glenwood’s results as good, and KES as ‘poor’. That’s what baffles me. I feel that whatever description you give to KES’s academics, you should give the exact same to Glenwood and vice versa – if conclusions are based purely on stats.
@star: Take Menlo out, its half girls..
@star: Which 9? Swimming, volleyball….?
Glenwood can claim at least 3, waterpolo, cricket & tennis at open level. Softball/Baseball has usually been a walkover for the past 30 years, but Westville I think claimed that this year. Rugby is debatable but it’s hard to argue against Glenwood being the strongest in KZN. DHS takes basketball and Athletics. Hilton I think golf. College or Northwood probably hockey or maybe Westville across the age groups. Squash?
Points on the board( maths and science A’s) no matter how big or small the school or cost per kid ect
1) Paul Roos 118
2)Menlo Park 118
3)Bishops 113
4)Westville 104
5)Rondebosch 100
@Playa: Westville and College are the benchmark for Gov schools in KZN re academic results, followed by Glenwood, Northwood and DHS. Compare KES to those and it’s not really comparable. 519 As at Westville is phenomenal. SACS in WP just blows all the schools away though.
@Tang: I am not sure. Westville .seemed to have moved onto Affies and Jeppe as their Gauteng opposition and away from KES and PBHS. It might be a strategic move but more is the pity epecially PBHS as that was always one of the highlights when my boy was playing. I think Gungets has already spoken volumes on College’s great and lasting relationship with the school.
@Grasshopper: I have heard these rumors. I wonder if any of our private school bloggers will confirm this.
@Grasshopper: Not sure if that answered my question, but I’ll take it and move on.
Where do you reckon KES would rank if they were in KZN? Looking at your 2015 analysis – KES had one ‘miss’ and 83% bachelor passes…270 distinctions (excluding LO and Maths Lit). This to you is poor. You are certainly a man of high standards, I give you that.
@Star: Any idea why there is no PBHS VS Westville fixture this year. Boys High were due to travel to Durban.
@Grasshopper: Who are you calling a “scaredy” cat
Slightly off subject I see in a Westville newsletter that the school were provincial champions in no fewer than 9 separate sports. I must say I was suitable impressed especially when they also had 3 candidates in the KZN matric top 10. 
@Grasshopper: I’m sure it was just through lack of data availability.
http://www.hiltoncollege.com/academic/177-general-information/2025-matric-results-2016.html
Looks pretty good to me and agree should be in the top 50 towards the top?
@Tang: privates weed out weak academics by grade 10…
@star: the scaredy cats on the hill!
@Gungets Tuft: Are you referring to private schools or all schools?
I do not see the most expensive school in the country on that list.
@Gungets Tuft: yep, heard that too. To protect their pass rates a few ‘recommend’ boys stay back. Maybe in certain cases where the kid is young for their year, maybe but in others it’s jiggery pokery of the highest order. I mean an almost 50% drop-out rate between grade 10 and 12 is shocking. We could literally halve the pass rates announced this year for the real scenario. If it was tracked from grade 1 probably only 25%!
@Grasshopper: I know it’s going to be hard to track back, but I remember doing an analysis of a few schools on that list, and the number of registered matric candidates to those that eventually wrote didn’t tie up very well. It was an accusation in the news this year, that the pass rate was assisted by preventing kids from writing when it was felt they had no prospect of passing.
@Playa: focus on the blue line, Maths Lit & LO are basic subjects easier to obtain an A for…
@Playa: my statement was based on my 2015 analysis, see here; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1Y5L-6XUAAYa0O?format=jpg&name=large
KES & Jeppe not so hot. Glenwood have always been ridiculed for being a technical school with weak academics, not true. Top 10 in KZN. Remember the demographic is not affluent there either…
@Grasshopper: Hey Hopper, I’ve just compared the KES vs Glenwood results. Not much of a difference. I recall you saying KES’s academics are ‘poor’ in another thread. Do you stick by those words (which would mean Glenwood is as ‘poor’) or did KES fluke greatness for one year? Which is it?
And yes, I have noted how Dale went, so let’s not make this about them
@Skpgraaf243 : Never underestimate the impact of a few good mercenaries in school sports. Remember – Boys High has none. Too often we confuse quantity with quality. Three well-picked recruits in any team can make a big difference.
@Tang…I am happy for PBHS. The results put things in perspective.
In comparison to the activities, the lads MUST be doing well.
Is Glenwood classified as “technical school”
@ Beet. I see you have IEB schools on. Helpmekaar not in Top 50?? Eish cannot believe. Can you please do the math for them? Would love to see on your formula.
Below link of school on Matric 2016.
https://www.facebook.com/HelpmekaarSA/photos/a.184346175089939.1073741828.184334738424416/618369645020921/?type=3&theater
@beet
The PBHS matric results are wrong. Please see a snippet from the official communication from PBHS.
The class of 2016 has performed exceptionally well in the recent National Senior Certificate examinations. Apart from obtaining a 100% pass rate, the group obtained the highest Bachelor rate the school has ever had with 95% of a class of 298 candidates achieving this result. We are very proud of all of our boys, many of whom overcame significant challenges on their way to successfully completing their school careers. We wish them well for their future.
Summary of Pass rates and Bachelor rates
The group obtained a 100% pass rate (298 candidates) compared with the National pass rate of 76,2% and the Provincial pass rate of 87%.
The percentage of those obtaining a Bachelor’s pass, which entitles students to pursue further education at university was 94,9% (280 candidates) compared with the National rate of 24,9%, The Provincial rate was unobtainable at this time.
PBHS Results 2015 2016
Overall Pass % 100 % 100 %
Bachelors Pass % 87.6% 94.9 %
@Hopper…yebo co-ed. Thx Hooit.
@Grasshopper: Those fees are at a discount because of that reason.Otherwise they’re as private as any other private.Boys are given the option to write IEB at their own cost.This also applies to government school learners.
@Hooit: Co-Ed results should be redone taking the girls out as they would bring the results up, maybe not in Maths & Science though…..but times have changed.
@Grasshopper: Yes Menlo is co-ed.
Boland Landbou and Oakdale. Hats off to you. Less than 80 Matrics and both in top 10 for 2016. Looking forward to games against you at Wildeklawer.
Bishops still writing NSC, for that money I would insist on IEB…
@Skopgraaf243: Is Menlo Co-ed?
Gosh PBHS with almost 300 in matric, they really should have great depth in all sports. That is almost 80 more than most of the big model C’s. Surely the Monnas & Eldoraigne results include the girls so not a fair reflection…
Congrats to all across the country !??
I’m happy to see Menlopark topping the Gauteng ladder! 8)
Reg – Pass -Miss? Know Monnas had 100% pass rate? But in any case we will stick to sport for any kind of bragging rights.