| TIME | DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | EVENT | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wed.01Jun | St Benedict’s | 16 | 31 | Helpmekaar | ||
| Sat.04Jun | DHS | 19 | 26 | Maritzburg College | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Kearsney | 20 | 8 | Hilton | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Westville | 20 | 3 | Michaelhouse | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Clifton | 28 | 19 | George Campbell | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Northwood | 22 | 14 | St Charles | ||
| Sat.04Jun | St Andrew’s | 31 | 23 | Queen’s | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Pearson | 29 | 17 | Otto du Plessis | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Grey HS | 21 | 26 | Dale | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Framesby | 21 | 22 | Brandwag | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Stirling | 10 | 46 | Kingswood | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Volkskool Graaff-Reinet | – | – | Muir | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Humansdorp | – | – | Nico Malan | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Selborne | 109 | 10 | Port Rex | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Parktown | 30 | 26 | St Alban’s | ||
| Sat.04Jun | St Benedict’s | 20 | 7 | St David’s | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Monument | 40 | 15 | Glenwood | ||
| Sat.04Jun | EG Jansen | 59 | 10 | Marais Viljoen | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Kempton Park | 10 | 24 | Rustenburg | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Florida | – | – | Die Anker | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Jeugland | 8 | 22 | Noordheuwel | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Waterkloof | 10 | 50 | Garsfontein | ||
| Sat.04Jun | KES | 59 | 10 | St John’s | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Pretoria BH | 22 | 36 | Jeppe | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Frikkie Meyer | 34 | 39 | Pietersburg | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Montana | 27 | 41 | Centurion | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Klerksdorp | – | – | Potch Volkskool | ||
| Sat.04Jun | HTS Middelburg | 67 | 20 | Middelburg | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Eldoraigne | 41 | 14 | Wonderboom | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Ben Vorster | 63 | 3 | Tom Naude | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Volkskool Heidelberg | 8 | 31 | Transvalia | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Bishops | 38 | 7 | Wynberg | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Boland Landbou | 111 | 5 | DF Malan | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Brackenfell | 16 | 15 | Stellenberg | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Milnerton | 0 | 32 | HTS Bellville | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Outeniqua | – | – | Langenhoven Gim | ||
| Sat.04Jun | HJS Paarl BH | 35 | 21 | Oakdale | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Paul Roos | 38 | 34 | SACS | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Rondebosch | 19 | 48 | Paarl Gim | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Tygerberg | 0 | 28 | Durbanville | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Hugenote | 15 | 25 | Drostdy | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Strand | 22 | 23 | De Kuilen | ||
| Sat.04Jun | Tygerberg RFC | 12 | 27 | Bellville |
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@odie15: sorry it was 11-8.
@BoishaaiPa: is daai potjie al Ana die gang?
@odie15: The Cake Cup according to some that any school could win…
@Pyp: just to clear this up. Boishaai went to SANIX with its 1st team of 2014. The captain Ruan Brits of the year was injured in 1st match of the year in Newlands day. They lost in final vs a good Hamilton boys high school. Leading 11-7 with minute to go they missed a line kick Hamilton scored from there in injury time. They lost 3 more matches in final minutes that year vs Grey, PRG and GIM.
@Roger: Too many separate leagues, cups, trophies etc. SA Schools should all be working towards one goal, a single trophy and a strong Schools side. A National Champion each year would actually be worth attaining. By raising the standards one brings up the rest. Just my opinion obviously..
@Grasshopper: why?
@Roger: OK, then regions or zones like Boishaaipa mentioned, whatever just make it happen.
@Grasshopper: therein lies your problem – Limpopo, Mpumulanga, North West, OFS and Northern Cape have how many competitive schools? As opposed to the Western Cape and Gauteng? So, for arguments sake, in Gauteng Affies goes through and the likes of Jeppe, Monnas, Garsies, KES, Jansies, Klofsies etc are left behind? Worse so in the Western Cape where Paarl Boys qualifies and Paul Roos, Gimmies, SACS, Rondebosch, Outeniqua, Boland Landbou etc left behind
No strength versus strength there at all
@BoishaaiPa:
Eastern Cape.
Western Cape
Free State.
Gauteng.
KwaZulu-Natal.
Limpopo.
Mpumalanga.
Northern Cape & North West combined
Simples…
@Grasshopper: and what 8 provinces will you limit this too?
@BoishaaiPa: Nope, 8 is perfect for quarters, semis and a final run over 6 days. The top school for each province goes. You could make it top 2 and then it’s 16 teams, 8, 4, 2 and 1. Held in a neutral venue. Means provinces play their usual derbies in a Top 10 league….simples…
@Grasshopper: Nothing more complicated than 8 different provinces!.
If I can add my ten cents on this topic I do not know why we do not play rugby for trophies or league points or standings. Lord knows that alomost all other sports that Boy school coallition participates in have trophies be it Hockey ( Aitken & Boden), Waterpolo ( has numerous festivals the winners of which receive trophies), Athletics and even cricket has a knockout type tournament that numerous schools competing in regionally and at the end a season a national winner is crowned. Rugby however on the other hand is quite a different story all together, I do not know why but it is very emotive topic for some of us. I have sneaky feeling it has a lot to do with a pragmatism that the Transvaal English Boys’ school adopted when alot of them might have only started playing rugby more than a decade after the advent of the administrators cup or maybe been chicken or fear failure I do not know. “I personally appluad the hoards who deligently support their teams even though in my eyes there are probably only 3 maybe 4 schools that can win these trophies”. Whoever made the decision not paly rugby for trophies was probably right in my eyes anyway I prefer this predictable fixture list made up of traditional and known rivals knockout rugby would be unbareable and would probably lead to an early grave for people like me. Rugby is already insanely competive add national title and it mIght be the start of civil war well atleast in the very small community of SBR followers.
@BoishaaiPa: Sounds too complicated and requiring quite a bit of travel. So what is WP are generally stronger, their top side or two should win it every year then. Wildeklawer could become that championship event but moved to August.
@BrotherBear: Exactly, Glenwood had a bad day out in Krugersdorp and Monnas really wanted it, hence the 40-15 margin. It doesn’t suddenly make them a bad side. Just like Affies met an on fire Grey and lost by 50 odd points, doesn’t suddenly make them a bad side either. Glenwood will hit back and don’t be surprised if they cause an upset along the way. The boys must stay positive and forget about Craven Week, tomorrow is what is most important now.
@Vin: interesting – you are 100% right on the ’88 score. So overall record reads KES 14 wins, Monnas 11 and 1 draw. Hopefully KES extend that to 15 wins tomorrow
c’mon the Reds!
Heh Hooit – tell Monnas to correct the records!!
@VanniLaeveld: not sure why – I think the English schools had well established traditional leagues and perhaps didn’t like the “knock out winner takes all” format. I read somewhere once (I think in the history of KES rugby) that the old Tvl rugby union put big pressure on schools like Jeppe, Parktown, KES etc to participate but they refused.
@Tang, @BoishaaiPa: various models have been proposed over the years to pitch strength vs. strength. The merits have just not been justified.
The present systems and arrangements, across the country, pretty much gives most schools a well balanced season. I agree with the Affies philosophy and Helpmekaar effectively participates in Beeld as it lengthens the season and provides more opportunity to play against out of province teams (teams change every year, kind of).
Some schools, like Oos-Moot, will benefit from a stronger fixture list. But that is their decision (big fish in small pond).
Although Glenwood received quite a bit of flack after their loss to Monnas, it should be seen as mere competitive jousting (and nothing more). They have a more than decent side and can be competitive against any top 20 team. With their results at Sanix they also showed that RSA SBR is pretty healthy.
@Roger: Vyfster is correct. PBHS did play in the original Admin cup. It was called the Robertson Cup and then became the Administrators cup.
I think PBHS were playing rugby long before the likes of KES and Jeppe and hence the reason they played in the original trophy.
Vyfster is also right about the small Plateland schools producing many surprise and probably upset results in the competition.
When Boys High did return, they had a much bigger traditional playing base. Playing the Admin cup was tough because you had to play traditional rivals and then sides who were totally geared up for the Admin cup.
I think school boy rugby should be arranged into leagues with winners and log standings. I think this promotes competition and gives teams a reason to play. It also opens up promotion/ relegation matches and provides incentive.
We can learn from New Zealand school boy rugby in this respect.
@Roger: I know for a fact it is wrong KES have pointed it out to Monnas but they still haven’t changed it. The ’88 score was also 20 -10 to KES not 20-0.
@Grasshopper: That will not work so well..Some provinces have much stronger school competitions and more top schools per province than others. We are looking at a slightly different model. Where you have 4 regions, Western Cape (WP, Boland and SWD), Coastal (Border,EP and KZN), Central (OVS, Griquas and NE Cape) and Northvaal (Gauteng etc) where each region eventually sends 2 teams to the “finals”. Northvaal can use their current set-up for Beeld to determine their top 2 teams. Other regions must find some way to determine theirs. The idea is then to play in a super league where everyone plays each other on a specific weekend i.e. 4 matches per weekend at a specific venue. Only problem is that you will need 7 weekends to determine the final winners and schools calendars are already full. But the idea is that you will end up with a league champ after 7 weeks. Most consistent team will win.
Only way this can work is if you start determining the 8 schools who qualify in one year and play the comp the next year over a 7 week period. You can have this comp every 2nd year or you can have playoff’s within a region to determine the two teams. Still a lot of admin to work out, but you get the idea. You can use traditional fixtures within your region as part of the “playoffs”…Just need some really intelligent planning!
@Vyfster: Reading your comments and listening to the Affies headmaster on TV last night (Fourie du Preez documentary) the Affies position is clear. We cannot expect to see them back in organised comp like the Beeld any time soon. Thank you for some very informative comments. Great read.
have a look at the finalists the first 75 years or so…before 1995
lthe beauty of this competition was always that small town schools like Zeerust, Wolmaranstad, Delmas, Ben Viljoen (groblersdal) , Piet Potgieter (Mokopane) and numerous others could come from nowhere and smash more fancy big city traditional city schools like Affies, PBHS, Monnas etc on their way to become overall champions….
Heidelberg Volkskool was for long the leading winner of most Cups till Affies overtook them in the professional era…..
less fancied city schools like Stoffberg, die Fakkel, Randburg, Oos-moot, HTS John Vorster and numerous others won that trophy…and that was when everyone played everyone…and you were the true champions of the then Transvaal…….anyone who will take time to study the enormous list of schools that made the final will perhaps start to understand why it holds such affection in the hearts of rugby aficionados here …….no team dominated till the mid 90’s….it is akin to 1 year h/s Bonnievale beating Booishaai, paarl gim paul roos to take the trophy and becoming champs of the whole Cape province… next year Hermanus does the same…then 3 years later maybe h/s Touwsrivier etc
Also interesting to note that Affies did compete for 86 years and only withdrew in last 10 years…..their succes rate was about once a decade till the new era where they won almost 10 years in a row
http://www.affiesrugby.co.za/geskiedenis-en-opsomming.html
@roger: i was wrong….Ermelo h/s was the first winner in 1920…it took them 80 years to repeat the feat in 2000..PTA Boys high did win it from 1922-24…..the 1st 2 years it was known as the Premierscup…from 1922 onwards the administrators cup, in the 80’s it became the directorstrophy ….and subsequently the Beeld Trophy
Almost a 100 years of history behind it
PTA boys high actually owns the original admin cup…being the 1st team to win it 3 years in a row……
@Roger: Pretoria boys high did compete in the Administrator cup since its inception…..in fact I think they won it in 1920, 21, 22…the first 3 years of its existence
Obviously those years there were only a handful of schools competing
Overall they made the final 7 times, winning 4 and 1 draw
They only played in the decade 1920-1929 where they had all their succes
They re-entered in 1979- 1986 then stopped playing in the competition….they couldn’t even once win the PTA region in that period, or come close to it…and it was probably a bit embarrassing to see smallish or lesser known schools like Oos-Moot, FH Odendaal and Voortrekkerhoogte becoming the Bulls champs in the 80’s
@roger Why do you think that is? Was competition not part of the english/colonial tradition? The Brits’ cousins across the atlantic competes for trophies in everything.
@VanniLaeveld: the English boys schools such as KES, PBHS, Jeppe, St Johns, St Stithians etc have, to my knowledge, never competed in the Administrators / Directors / Beeld trophy. If they ever did it was a long long time ago. Interesting enough, the newer private schools such as Trinityhouse do or have competed in the Beeld trophy in one or other of the categories.
@Grasshopper: It’s not a case of being able to pick your division. The category is determined by the number of boys in the school. A school may play in a higher category, but not lower.
Some 3-4 years ago a formula was introduced whereby a school with significant demographic changes could play lower, the reason put forward was that although the total number of boys remained the same, the number of boys playing rugby were significantly reduced. It has to be said that the formula was never made public, as I guess it would have caused some embarrassment.
This caused a bit of chaos and a lot of unhappiness as some of the big schools were suddenly playing in the medium schools category. Meetings were held and the formula was scrapped.
@Hooit: As Garsies hul kwarteind wen en hulle speel teen EG of Nelspruit/HTS, het Garsies tuis halfeind. So ek hoop EG wen Woensdag vir Monnas, maar ek twyfel.
Maar dan kan HTS vir Monnas wen en Garsies speel tuis teen HTS, wen daar en die finaal is weer by Garsies.
@Wonder: Dit is so wat nie sin maak nie. So om te verloor Woensdag in die Monnas EG game gaan dalk sleg wees op die dag maar jou kanse om die Beeld te wen vergroot
@RnR: Dankie, probeer die uitspeelmodel google, ek kon dit nie kry nie.
Die span wat tweede eindig in Valke/Leeus gaan die makliker kwart en halfeidronde hê.
Die SA skole wedstryde gaan seker weer groot invloed hê. Verlede jaar kon die seuns darem in halfeind en finaal speel.
In 2014 kon hulle slegs in kwarteind speel.
@VanniLaeveld: Wow, OK thanks. That makes a little more sense but seems very diluted now. A new system including ALL the schools should be started based on strength. Being able to pick your division doesn’t make it very fair….just a little weird to me, especially coming from a province where it’s based on the history between the schools and nothing else.
@grasshopper I can share what I know. Details might be bit off, but the bigger picture is about right. The Tuksreeks started out as the Super 10 (i think) shortly after Sanzar started the Super Rugby competition. It was initiated by Waterkloof (dr.Becker) who invited some of the stronger sport schools to take part. There was a need for more “krag teen krag” matches, especially before the “proper” season started. Through the years the sponsor changed a few times and the participating schools increased to the 16 of today. Interestingly it led to some other competitions like the Puk reeks and Superreeks being started by “smaller” schools.
The Beeld trophy is the current form of the “administrateurs beker”, the original premier interschool rugby competition in the old Transvaal. In the beginning all the rugby playing schools in the province competed at the same level with only one eventual winner. As rugby became more professional together with the changing demographics of the nineties, schools started recruiting and the inevitable gap between the “haves and the have nots” opened up. Smaller schools felt that they could not compete any more and a new system of large, medium and small schools were introduced. Each playing its own competition. The criteria being number of boys, or number of rugby teams. These days it seems schools choose where they want to play, if it is approved by the provincial school structures. At some stage some of the large schools felt that a couple of schools became too big/good/dominant and a new category, macro, was introduced for them. Recently another category “middle” was added, between small and medium, but I am not sure how that works.
Originally every province had its own competition in each category on a league basis. The winners of each province then play each other on a knockout basis to determine the overall winner. As more and more schools finds the going tough, the number of macro schools have declined. There are none left in Limpopo, one in the Leopards, three in the Pumas region, three at the Lions, four(?) at the Falcons and not sure about the Bulls. The Bulls have an A and B section of Macro schools. Not exactly sure why. (Politics?)
Affies used to be part of both competitions but withdrew a couple of years ago to play against traditional rivals on a yearly basis. As far as I know the Gauteng privates was never part of this system and I don’t know if and when the bigger state english schools pulled out or if they were ever a part of it.
That, in broad terms, should answer most of your questions.
@warriors7: Yep I remember. I wish I had a link to a clip or on DVD.
@Grasshopper: I’m not at all close to Tuks, but I think it’s for co-ed schools, as it involves a bunch of sports. I think that it is mostly the 16 strongest Afrikaans co-ed schools that participate, but school strengths change over the years and some have pulled out – e.g. Klofies.
@Grasshopper reunion day at college this weekend, brings back memories of that epic game in 2013 ( 44-40) to glenwood..any chance you have the video?
@Vleis: Thanks and the Tuks Cup?
@Vleis: Plus GCB – how could I forget that! So, their season would have 16 games comprising 2 at Wildeklawer, 3 at Easter Fest, 3 non Noordvaal (GCB, GW and MC) and 8 local (KES, Jeppe, Helpies, Monnas, Garsies, Menlo, Klofies and PBHS). They could also consider playing EGJ in place of GW, so just two non-Noordvaal fixtures.
@Grasshopper: These issues have been debated at length on this board, so I’ll try to give you a short summary from a neutral’s perspective (albeit not very knowledgable):
Re Beeld:
Macro = greater than 600 boys, Large = 350 to 600 boys, Medium is 175 to 350 boys and Small = less than 175 boys. However, it’s a little murky, as EGJ play in Macro but have less than 600 and most people want Helpies to play in Macro, but they have way less than 600. In short, the schools seem to have a bit of a say in the matter – presumably then sanctioned by the Noordvaal authority.
Re Affies:
Affies prefer to focus on mass participation, so they pulled out of the Beeld, which only caters for A and B teams (I think). This seems like a very sensible approach to me. However, their reasons for not playing more local schools seems less sensible (to me) and seems to revolve around their headmaster’s predilections. If I was Affies, I’d drop the Westville and Diamantveld fixtures and add Garsies, Menlo and Monnas. I have nothing against DV and WV, but these are out of town fixtures and they already have MC and GW, plus Easter & Wildeklawer.
@MikeSt: I reckon each province runs a Top10 league, they all play 9 games and then the top 4 play a semis and then a final. From there each province sends the winning team to a National Final Week in Stellenbosch, have 8 provinces so it’s like a Quarters, Semi and Final. Really simple…
@Wonder: Ek kan jou help met die Blou Bulle deel.
Waterkloof en Menlopark speel Saterdag om uit te vind wie eindig 2de om sodoende BB2 en BB3 te eindig.
Eldoraigne en Zwartkop speel saterdag vir die BB4 plek.
BB3 speel dan teen VLL4 (Valke Leeus Luiperds) en BB4 speel teen VLL3 in n kwalifiserende wedstryd om die kwarteind te haal.
Die wenner van die BB4-VLL3 game speel in die kwarteind teen BB1 (Garsfontein) en die BB3-VLL4 speel teen VLL2.
Kwarteind lyk dus soos volg:
VLL1 vs Pumas 2
Pumas 1 vs BB2
BB1 vs Zwartkop/Eldo/VLL3
VLL2 vs Waterkloof/Menlopark/VLL4
@Grasshopper: Once I have 4 hours available I will try and explain this complicated stupid system they run in Gauteng and over and above that ist all by choice in which you play
Beet or any of my fellow Gauteng/NP bloggers, please could someone explain all these different leagues/cups? Makro, Tuks, Beeld etc etc….bloody confusing. Why don’t Affies play Monnas? Must be tons of politics. I know Affies want as many fixtures as possible on the day but Monnas surely is a team they would want to play annually?
@Roger: That was a big margin then, well done.
@Wonder: Ek het net hoe dit werk maar nie skool name nie. Het by n vriend gekry. Ek weet daar is nog games wat gespeel moet word voordat die uitspeel vir kwart bepaal word.
@Hooit: Waar kry mens die bepalings, help asb, ek is nou al moeg gesoek daarna.
@Vin: you sure – those results are from the Monnas honors board in their pavilion?
@Grasshopper: @theblackandwhite: check the 1990 score – 28 points in the day when tries were four points
@Hooit: Ek het na EGJ verwys sorry man
@MikeSt: Leeus is hierdie jaar bo- aan die lys en alle Leeus games vanaf kwartfinaal is tuis. Kwartfinaal behoort geen probleme vir die top 4 te wees nie.
@Hooit: Die wenner van woensdag speel Pumas se span wat 2de eindig in kwart finaal tuis en Blou bulle se wenner in Semi weg
Die span wat verloor speel Bulle 3 weg en dan Pumas 1 in semi tuis.
@Hooit: Dink die quarters moet eers kom voor ek daai een antwoord. Garsies sal moeilik wees verseker en dink oor die manne al 2 wenne gehad het teen hulle nog moeiliker.
Menlo en Kloof Saterdag…laaste rondte in Makro A en bepalende wedstryde om Pretoria wenners te bepaal, behalwe Garsfontein eerstes wat reeds verseker is van top posisie.
Altyd lekker om Kloof by Menlo te verwelkom. Sterkte aan al die spanne!
@Riempies: Net vir die rekord. Het groot respek vir Hans. Sy besluite oor my kind se rugby maak vir hom baie deure oop al het ek nie heeltemal met hom saamgestem toe nie. Nou in hind sight was dit n uitstekende besluit. Hy ken sy rugby.
@Hooit: hahahahah. Jy nou derde persoon wat dit se. Arme Hans
@Riempies: Dink Hans steek dit dalk nou weg vir almal. ?
@MikeSt: Jy is reg. Nie gewoond aan Woensdag games nie. Ek sal maar praat van die 15de. Maar op die uitspeel scenario wie sal julle verkies. Garsfontein is n ander span met Papier.
@Hooit: Jammer man maar ek net so angstig soos jy. Hulle besig om ons uithouvermoe te toets
@Hooit: Monnas sal beslis wen as dit Dinsdag is (by default)
Is die game nie woensdag nie @Hooit:
@Riempies: Jy was laas ons go-to man gewees vir proefspanne. Jy stel teleur vandag.
@Roger: The 1982 score is incorrect Kes won 16-6
@Hooit: Dankie.
@Valkie: Ek weet die Leeus spanne is klaar gekies. Hulke wag nou vir die Leeus unie om dit af te teken. Nou wag ons maar. Bietjie Beeld informasie. As Monnas verloor teen EG Dinsdag behoort die Beeld semi finaal Monnas vs Nelspruit en EG vs Garsies te wees. As Monnas wen us dit dieselfde as Tuks reeks tensy daar iewers n groot upset is.
@star: Yep, I tagged 3 of my best mates in that pic. A few like Lenny didn’t make it, not sure why. In fact I know at least 15 of those guys, including the Glenwood coach Mike Vowles quite well..
@Grasshopper: I think the U16E match has now gone missing. So you are now 20 years out of school. There is a great picture of the class of 96 celebrating their 20 reunion on the WOB Assoc facebook.
You would probably know some of the guys as you would have played them through the years.
…and I’m eagerly awaiting for the Puma squads to be published. Why is this process taking such a long time?
Where are all the ‘connected’ bloggers? We are looking for the Lions Cravenweek squad to be announced today.
@theblackandwhite: Good point, apologies.
@Grasshopper: hence the reason I said “Other than the last 2 years” in my previous post
@theblackandwhite: 52-22 is a pakslae! 30 points!
@Roger: I had no idea that KES were so competitive against Monnas. Other than the last 2 years, there were no “blowouts”. That is pretty impressive as Monnas were probably a top 10 rugby school for the majority of those years.
@Quagga: not sure, most of them live in Krugersdorp so just went home after the game ?
@BoishaaiPa: ?
@Quagga: It is not that bad. Cleaned up on Tuesday already. Only a very small area affected. The Monnas boys practising as normal on the field
@BoishaaiPa @Hooit @Grasshopper Are you sure all the Glenhout players returned home from Monnas?
@Hooit: @Roger: Why don’t they then rather play at KES?
@Hooit: Have you investigated the occurance?..remember Grasshopper was there on Saturday…It might be revenge for getting the shyte kicked out of GW..
@Roger: Please let us know if Kes hears anything on Lions Cravenweek squad
@Roger: Kes is known as the Monnas bogey team. A sewerage pipe burst this week spilling onto the A veld. That is why the trials were moved. So there is something in the air at Monnas. Depending on how the wind blows you could be sniffing an upset or some good old s$#t. Will wait and see.
@Roger: Where is the game being played? If at Monnas and they anything prepared like they were last week, it’s going to be another long day for KES eg Affies…..although Glenwood were pretty poor last week so who knows…
@Hooit: KES vs Monnas history: I sniff an upset
1978 14-8
1979 16-8
1980 17-9
1981 7-17
1982 16-16
1983 12-22
1984 3-28
1985 21-10
1986 28-6
1987 28-12
1988 20-0
1989 30-15
1990 40-12
1991 29-10
1992 21-23
1993 21-23
1994 19-29
1995 25-32
1996 16-31
1997 27-23
1998 19-8
1999 17-23
2012 15-11
2013 31-31
2014 21-47
2015 22-52
KES won 13, lost 11 and two draws
@star: 1 year, the under15’s only have 4 teams but under14’s back to 5 or 6. I think you’ll find other sports are becoming more popular. Remember in terms of pure numbers, Westville is a bigger school. You guys were having intakes of 275 for a few years. Glenwood had their biggest ever this year at around 260.
Overall record (since 1964), Played 49, won 32, lost 15, drawn 2, win % 65%
90s vs Westville, played 10, won 4, lost 6. Glenwood’s worst decade ever. I remember 96 well, a dodgy hands in the ruck penalty in the end which old Ryan P slotted to give Ville a 24-23 win
It’s a derby anything can happen. Westville on the upswing and Glenwood on the down…
I count 21 games, http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Sport%20vs%20Westville%202016.pdf
@Grasshopper: You will find there are only 20 games being played which means at least 4 Westville teams will miss out.
Do not take this as a criticism , but it is definitely a trend that GW is adopting. Based on this my prediction is that GW should win all the A-Team games but might battle in the lower age group teams.
I do not see how Westville 1sts will be able to compete and the ” scalp” would indeed be a miracle. But apparently these things do happen
It was also nice of you to start the record from 2000 which conveniently ties in with the start of the GW upswing. The nineties were conveniently ignored
Off topic, big derby in Durban this weekend! Westville (aka Leafy Suburbs) vs Glenwood (aka Glenhout, Scumbilo High whatever floats your boat). Should be around 22 games played. Record since 2000;
2000 W 45 – 0
2001 W 17 – 13
2002 W 38 – 7
2003 L 7 – 17
2004 DNP
2005 W 18 – 16
2006 L 3 – 17
2007 [strike]
2008 W 22 – 5
2009 W 29-14
2010 W 9 – 6
2011 W 28 – 16
2012 L 9 – 13
2013 DNP
2014 W 32-15
2015 L 17-18
2016 ?
Played 13
Gwd won 9
West Won 4
% win 69%
Westville will want this scalp as it will make their season. Glenwood have been poor in the past 2 weeks and will want to correct that. Big game expecting a big crowd.
@knowthegame: Really? Have you seen Wandisile Simelane, the Jeppe #13, play?
@knowthegame: Great motivation for the Glenwood boys, thanks
@MonnasOB:
Lyk my dit is verby jou slaaptyd!
So vir oulaas n OU een vir n klein snotneusie!
Ek speel nie met kinders nie ek maak hulle….. LOL
@Randy: Gaan p$&@ en gaan slaap, los die bespreking vir die grootmense!
@MonnasOB:
Daar is nog n paar topics waar jy dit nog nie gepost het nie!!! ?
Die volgende is baie hartseer nuus en ek hoop die skolerugby gemeenskap maak hul stem dik teen die totale minagting waarmee Hans Coetzee hanteer is. Skokkend!!
Die Hoërskool Monument het vandeesweek in ‘n skokbesluit, enkele dae nadat hy met ‘n skitterende oorwinning oor een van Suid-Afrika se grootste skole behaal het, besluit om die mat onder sy direkteur van rugby en een van die voorste afrigters in die land uit te pluk.
Hans Coetzee, die argitek van die oorwinning oor Glenwood, wat al op Superrugby-vlak, Curriebekervlak en die SA Skole-span afgerig het, sit aan die einde van die jaar sonder werk.
Coetzee het ‘n uitstekende CV en mens kan nie help op die vraag te vra of Monnas se besluit nie deur ‘n pesoonlike vendetta gedryf is nie.
Glenwood was voor Saterdag onoorwonne die seisoen, het meer as ‘n halfdosyn spelers in die Sharks se Cravenweekspan en het pas die Sanix Wêreldkampioenskap in Japan gewen.
Dat Coetzee die skoknuus meegedeel is kort nadat sy span Glenwood 40-15 geklop het maak nie sin nie, in elk geval nie rugbysin nie.
Monnas druk vanjaar byna ses drieë per wedstryd en leef Coetzee se filosofie uit. Die Wesranders het Waterkloop ook in ‘n TV-stryd afgeransel.
Die beheerliggaam wou op Coetzee se versoek geen redes vir hul besluit bekendmaak nie.
Hier volg Coetzee se CV:
Prestasies:
Skole-vlak:
Afrigter van:
1982 – Onder 15A wenners van die dministarteursbeker;
1984 – 1ste Span wenners van die Administateirsbeker;
1ste Span – 1992 -2007 wenners van die Leeus se Hoërskole-kompetisie;
1ste Span – 2003 – wenners Media 24 Nationale Skole lompetisie;
1ste Span – 2005 – wenners Beeldtrofee (Voorste skool in die land volgens ranglyste);
Leons Onder 19 – 2011 Curriebekerkampioene;
1ste Span – 2016 – Wenner van TUKS Superskole-trofee;
Internasionale toere:
1993 – Toer na Frankryk, Engeland en Wallis;
1994 – “World School’s 1st XV Tournament”, Australië;
1997 – Toer Engeland en Skotland;
1998 – “World School’s Rugby Championship”, Harare;
2004 – Toer na Argentinië;
2006 – Sanix World Schools Tournament, Fukuoka, Japan;
2007 – Christchurch Boys High Rugbyfees, Nieu-Seeland;.
2010 – Super 14-kompetisie;
2015 – Toer na Ierland.
Klubvlak:
1985 – 1987 – Wesrand 1ste span;
1999 – 2000 – RAU Onder 21’s;
2001 – 2002 – RAU 1ste span;
Leeus UItklopkampioene en semi-finaal Nasionale Klubkampioenskap.
Provinsiale vlak:
1987 – 1988 – Vlak 1 & 2 by Monument;
1996 – 1997 – Vlak 1 & 2 by Helpmekaar Privaatskool;
1991 – Vlak 3 by RAU;
2000 – 2003 – Namibiiese skole.
Provinsiale Skole-afrigter:
1994 – 1999 en 2002 – 2004 Goue Leeus Cravenweek-afrigter;
1994 – 1995 Gekombineerde Transvaalskole-span;
1990 – 1991 Transvaal Projekspan;
2005 – 2008 Leeus Onder 9-span;
2011 – Leeus Onder 19 Nasionale kampioene;
Senior provinsiale afrigter:
Hoofafrigter Leeus Curriebekerspan 2009;
Assistant-afrigter Leeus Super 14-span 2010.
Nasionale vlak:
2000 SA Skole-span;
1998 – 1999 SA Skole Onder 19—Akademie-span;
1990- 1991 Keurder SA Projekspan;
Afrigter van nege SA Skole-spelers sedert 1984:
Ses Springbokke in eerste span:
Jorrie Muller
Jaque Fourie
Willem Alberts
Heinke van der Merwe
Julian Redelinghuys
Jaco Taute.
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@Quagga: Hul stof net eers die spanlys af. Dit le glo al van Januarie af klaar ingevul op die rak.
@knowthegame: So far the only Monnas backline player is the number 9 and I think 13/14 is more realistic number of Monnas players who would make it. Just remember Monnas and Helpies are not the only 2 schools in the Lions. Jeppe, Kes, Bennies etc. Will be upset.
@Hooit:Thx for match report but Monnas will be represented by @least 30 players in the 3 sides…bulshit baffle brains.Have not seen the Lions team but if anyone in the backline in the team from Monnas, it can not not be on merit.They have a few good fore wards but a bad GW side made them look good. Helpmekaar have much more flair,and backs try to beat opponents with skills and pace.You cannot always run over your opponent although some selectors think that is the norm
@Speartackle: Aan al die spelers wat die blog lees: Boys dié oom is ‘n goeie voorbeeld van hoekom mens nie drank moet gebruik terwyl jy op sosiale media is nie. Don’t drink and type boys.
@Hooit: @Riempies: Ag Hooit stuur tog daai spanlys vir Riempies aan asseblief. Hulle maak hom mos sommer gou in kort pouse daar in julle personeel kamer op.
@Grasshopper: GW so one dimentional it’s is a joke.Played 2 decent sides…EG Jansen which i believe if they play now will put 30 points against them and Monnas which is very average…Helpmekaar n medium size school put them to snooze with ease.GW is n big fish in a small pond.Cannot imagine what would happen to them if they were in the western cape this year….
@Speartackle: Hê-Hê !! Spies! Daai Wolraad Woltemade opmerking teenoor die boere generaal was skitterend.Ek het my amper bevuil!
@Hooit: Sal so maak. Ons hoor ma gewoonlik na julle. Maak so as jy ook iets hoor. Sien beertjie werk bietjie. Daai hond byt net as jy sy stert trap.
@Riempies: As jy iets hoir van spanne laat weet asb. Helpmekaar is nogals vinniger on dit te kry as Monnas. Seker omdat julle so ‘baie’ spelers in het hierdie jaar. Sien boetiebeer al het die hond n luiband kan hy nog byt.?
@Hooit: Dit maak twee van ons. Hierdie nie plek of forum om afbrekend teenoor enige speler te wees nie. Taalgebruik val dan ook in hierdie katogorie. n Opinie bly n opinie. Nog nie een van die bloggers gelees wat hom as expert kan beskou nie. Hierby sluit ek myself in.
@Riempies: Ek hou van n eerlike opinie. Dit is waaroor die blog gaan. Solank dit nie beledigend is nie.
@Speartackle: Lostrio bedoel jy seker Cristen van Monnas of beter bekend as Kwagga? Hy het gisteraand vir die B span 8 gespeel.@BoishaaiPa: Stem. Glo net Monnas het baie meer ruimte vir verbetering oopgelaat begin van die jaar.
@Speartackle: jy het ook n goeie antwoord vir als, nie net n rugby kenner nie
@pietretief: Jy moet soos ek maak……dikteer aan jou sekretaresse……..op sy beste as sy op jou skoot is…..facing you
@Speartackle: die simple ding waarop ek tik maak die taal sommer snaaks.
@Hooit: Daai spanne is ook nou op n ander vlak…Almal verbeter deur die loop van n seisoen.
@Hooit: Jy is reg daar was net die 9 op die bank. Geen ander reserwes nie.
Weereens agv van al die beserings.
Ag en verskoon ma tog vir @Spiesie. Laat my baie dink aan die grapgat spies en plesies. Ewe snaaks maar tog entertaining. Seker ewe oud ook
@pietretief: Piet hoekom skryf jy in Wolraad Woltemade taal?
Die A span forwards behoort so te lyk
Voorry…….Monnas s’n
Slotte……..Ruan en Christopher
Lostrio…….Mark, Chrisjan en PJ
Die agterlyn kan hulle maar kies wie hulle wil…..solank hul net kan tackle
@Speartackle: Spies gaan jy toelaat dat jou skoonseun die plaats verlaat en terug gaan rand toe…….bly jou dochter achter op die plaas
@Riempies: Nee ek bedoel hul sal nee sè as ek hom vra so ek vra jou dat jy hulle vra. 10 het goed ingeskakel met 8, 12 en 13. Daar is ongelukkig n 10 reserwe op die bank wat ook n kans moet kry. Ek het gesien dat net die reserwe 9 by die A span kans gekry het. Hoe word die ander reserwes by A span gekeur as hul nie kans kry nie? Is dit regverdig teenoor B span spelers of mis ek iets?
@Riempies: Lol……onthou nou mooi wat ek hier genoem het……ons sal wag tot die Donderdag van CW dan praat ons hieroor.
Vir n start moet Chuiner 10 toe skuif
@Speartackle: Ek dink die Monnas span en spelers van nou is op n ander vlak as aan die begin van die jaar en sal op huidige vorm almal teen wie hulle verloor het kan wen maar die resultate staan en sal so bly. Ek verstaan die Leeus speel teen die Sharks op bondedag oor 2 weke dan sal ons sien waar ons lè.
@Hooit: Haha nie myne nie meneer.
@Speartackle: Sien presies waarvan ek gepraat het. Roer die potjie roer hom. Soet kom altyd later.
@Hooit: You mentioned the 10 of B team. He did not impress me at all last night. Also saw that they took him off in the second halve. For me both C and D side 10’s had a better game.
O ja en ek wou nog noem dat Helpmekaar 60 teen hulle gekry het in Affies se 1ste wedstryd van die seisoen…………………CW gaan taaier as Affies en HTS Drostdy wees
@Riempies: Ai ou Rieme……met Monnas wat verloor het teen Helpmekaar, Outeniqua, n bitter gemiddelde Paul Roos en gelykop teen Selborne, met Helpmekaar wat net n lucky outing teen Monnas gewen het, teen Garsfontein se B span gewen het …….Jeppe en KES wat nie oor huistoe geskryf kan word………sit die klomp saam en behalwe vir die Monna spelers gaan die res nie die pas kan volhou op CW……
Wag maar en sien
Ons sal weer tydens en na CW hieroor gesels
@Riempies: Dit is hoekom ek jou vra!
@Hooit: That you should ask his parents
but believe the you would know the answer.@Speartackle sien jy wil al weer n bietjie stir hier. Nee wat kom ons wag en kyk. Dink die Lions gaan n paar spanne en mense soos jouself verras die jaar.
@Speartackle: Stem saam op gisteraand se span stem nie saam op CW span nie. Leeus begin 15 gaan goed wees maar reserwes moet ook speel en dit is huidiglik die probleem.
@pietretief: Ek het gewag vir daai vraag. Het dit vanoggend op FB gelees. Ook baie verbaas. Ek het geen idee nie so ook geen kommentaar nie.
@pietretief: Sy skoonseun neem oor
@Hooit: wat gaan aan daar by mondas dat Hans die einde van die jaar moet aan beweeg
Ag boys die Lions gaan skyt op CW…..te veel spelers in span wat nie gewoond is aan ‘high paced’ games……maar julle behoort darem een game te wen
@BrotherBear: Let me put in differently. All the loose forwards in the A team setup or squad should be from Monnas or Helpies so I fully agree with you. Because of the injuries I would have like to see the B team 8 playing in the A team last night. The Monnas 8 who played at 6 was out of position. He must be 8 or maybe 7 flank.
@Riempies: Once again in agreement. The stand in 10 was brilliant and he is even better at 15. Once injuries returns the team will be balanced but the reserwes in some positions must be looked at. The A team should have won by 50+ and wirh a fully fit team by 80+. The biggest problem was pointed out by the Brother Bear. Also think the Helpies hooker deserwes a spot in B team squad.
I am allowed to be a little biast towards Monnas. The 1st half of the B team was dominated by 8, 10, 12 and 13. They could not be stopped and if they were slowed down they kept the ball alive very well. 8, 12 and 13 have caused some serious headaches for the selectors last night. 13 played very well with 12 and 8. Any chance that he wants to come to Monnas?
@Hooit: also believe the B-team 8 was much better than A-team 8 and should also replace the normal 8, who played 6 on the night.
@Hooit: your analysis not too bad, but has an extremely biased Monnas flavour.
). No 8 kind of nowhere. 2nd half scrum half much cleaner ball and good decision-making.
Few examples of A-team. Thought the fullback struggled and right wing was excellent. No 7 also much higher workrate and impact on the game than the 6 (who mostly wanted to run with ball
@Hooit: I agree with most of your summary above about the trails last night. I do however differ from your score prediction. Yes the B team was outstanding on the night but then also played against the weaker team of the Leopards. So again you can only look as good or bad as the opposition. Due to all the injuries in current A group the team do not perform to its potential. As you mentioned if the forward do not get the ball out fast the the backline do not have all the options to play fast ball. I cannot agree with you more that this will change as soon as the two ball chasers is back in the team. Also think that the stand-in 10 that normally play 15 was good on the night. But would still like him on 15 as this leave them with a more attacking backline. For myself on the night the lineouts was the biggest problem. Some forward player changes on the bench would make a big difference.
But then reading your comment,@quaggas comments and my own it is sad that one team beat the other team 35-7 or should have bean 35-0 (small little mistake at the end which can happen to anyone) and we are not happy!
In all I think the boys played well with one training session a week and they all should be applaud for their efforts.
@theblackandwhite: Tomorrow. Do not know how late.
@Hooit: when do the final teams get announced?
@Quagga: If they pick inform players some boys in the A team should be worried. A team should have beaten Leopards by more than 50. In the D team the stand out players were the 1st half hooker, 8th man and the number 10. D team 10 best kicker of the night. C team. The D team hooker played also here and beat the loosies to the ball in the second half and had the most tackles. He must make the B team squad. The 6 flank in C team also impressive. These were just the stand out players. The leopards were no contest on the night and made the Lions look very good. B team. They played a more flowing effortless type of rugby than the A team and by far as a unit the best team of the night. If the 1st half team stayed on the field the score would have been 80+. Too many good points to list but here are some observations from B team. Hooker struggled a bit with lineout throws. They scrummed well. The 8th man who plays 7 for Monnas was huge in getting go forward momentum for the team and keeping the ball alive. Think he played n part in all 4 of the 1st tries for B team. He deserves a position in the A team squad. Will make a good replacement option. The Leopards 12 and 13 jerseys should still be clean but their necks were sore as they could just watch the Lions centres going past them. Lions 12 was the more prominent of the 2 centres but he could most of the ball and did not need to pass often but 13 looked good with less ball. Wings looked good and the 15 was just as good eith the ball as he was against Glenwood. A team 15 still better. If the B team stays as is they will do well but 3/4 boys can feel that politics/selection criteria cost them a place in A team. In A team. The injured players were missed dearly and players out of position did not work in most cases. The Helpies 15 who played 10 was the best player on the field and the Lions would have struggled to get more than 20 points without him. The scrums worked very well. The lineouts were not he best. They missed a 6 flank. The Monnas 8 who played 6 was the best loose forward on the field but he is not a 6 flank. This will be fixed when the 2 injured flanks return and he move back to 8. The forwards did not dominate like they should have and did not get the going forward momentum that was needed. Almost all forwards wanted to carry ball and very few wanted to do the required work to get and secure the ball. The Lions 3 had a good second half with ball in hand. In the backline the Helpies 15 at 10 and the Jeppe 13 was the 2 stand out players. As against the Bulls the problems in the forwards will be fixed if all 1st choice players is available however as against the Bulls the reserwes/stand in players did not work in general. In summary. With no injuries the A team should be okay but the reserwe bench needs some changes. Like I mentioned before the step up from smaller school teams who does not play top 20 teams regularly is too much for some at this level.
@Boishaaipa en Maroon
Steven Kitshoff en Craig Barry was ook vir 5 jaar op volle beurse in Paul Roos. Mense moet pasop om klippe te gooi terwyl hulle in glashuise sit.
@Hooit: B-team midfield were as sharp as grade 1 pencils tonight. Gonna be intersting to see the final team sheets. Both centres deserve top honours in my humble opinion.
@Hooit: To many to recount here. Agree with you about the flyhalf. He was brilliant but even more so when he was combined with the taller of the two scrummies later on. As you can see don’t want to give too much away….so we speak in code .
Just seemed like he had so much time to execute his clever little tactics tonight. The Wee-Pee won’t afford them so much good ball. I also think the Lions will be much faster on the loose ball when the injured players are back, but perhaps at the cost of losing a bit of the physicality we saw tonight. Would be interesting to see the final mix they decide on. I don’t see many changes to the A and B but perhaps a bit of a shuffle between the two teams would occur. To single out one forward on the day it would have to be the prop that seems to be coming back into form – the bus was full and full and full all night long. Thoroughly enjoyed him. Also impressed by the 3 loosies in terms of their no BS get stuck in there approach tonight. Lineouts were a spot of bother but then the bean stalk was absent. But it was not windy so something to work on would be the throw I think. Its coachable though and practice makes perfect. All the usual suspects were on song, not too much to worry about. I think the Golden Lions will be able to play with PRIDE in the youth weeks. Looking foward to catching ot on the TV.
@Quagga: Thoughts about the Lions trials?
@Roger: Do you remember the three man scrums? Confused many opponents and was revolutionary at the time.
@Ringo: I was very vocal about the KES team of 2009. It was a very well put together team and raised many eyebrows at the time.
To all Jeppe bloggers: I truly have no problem with Jeppe. I enjoy the Jeppe fixture so please ignore my earlier comment about the fixture being soured.
I guess the bottom line is that Boys High will simply have to find a way to improve overall rugby results. All my ranting will not change a single thing.
Maybe @beet can even give me an avatar with the Milner schools. I could have Jeppe, KES, Boys High and Potch Boys.
@Roger: Eish the 70 and 80 Kes went crazy during those years hey. I fully appreciate the dominance that Kes has had on us. But I also believe Kes is able to get away with tons more than other Milner era schools hey.
@Tang: No I was definetely not a TJ receipient parents sacrificed lots to send me a decent school and in return today I am qualified CA(SA) something I definetely would not have been had I not have gone to Jeppe. I probably went to Jeppe at the time many consider its worst period matriculating in 2004. However I prefer to see it as it as a transformation era back then we were still counting black headboys now we know any boy of whatever colour or creed if his peers sees fit can be the headboy of the school. I also played rugby not very well but okay enough for me to see that there was something wrong with losing by scores of nearly 60 nil. Kes back then were not significantly then Jeppe better losing by maybe 45 to Boys High. I repeat the fact that Kes quickly arrested the situation with scholarships and by 2008/09 with the likes of Arnold/Ntubeni and Mjekevu were splendid and rocketed to heights of boy school royalty with no compliants from you which leads me to deduce that your probelm is with Jeppe not the practice why could Kes do it and you be fine with it.
Let get back to Jeppe during my time I can tell there was very little in the form of skills training and infact all we did at practice was practice moves. Never drills to improving passing or decision making on the rugby field, there was no game analysis and very little needs analysis done on any of the players at the school. There was also insufficient number of coaches think between the 2 or 3 teams we would share one coach which meant most practices were spent watching the higher teams perfom the moves maybe even holding tackle bags for them.
Numerous Jeppe bloggers even some who are not Jeppe bloggers @akw and @mikest have highlighted how coaching at the school has significantly improved. For instance specialist conditioning and skills coaches get involved with all the boys.
The coaching and the attention that Boys now get is far more superior to that we received and a rugby philosphy although still in its infacncy is being instilled in the playing style and culture for rugby at the school. Moral in the school is high and results in better participation rates. I would reckon that there are approximately 960 boys at the school approximately 300 play rugby and train harder and better than we did. Most of the matches I played when I was there most of our players arrived on the day of the game with little or no preparation for the game. That almost never happens now.
The OP remark is crude and careless and I sincerely apologise for it.
However in my opinion a sporting bursary is a sporting bursary, having a cricketer that is gifted academically does not change the fact that the boy was indentified through cricketing structures and whether or not they significantly affect the outcome of the tie well nobody really knows it subjective. The fact is that Boy was they through scholarship of some sort and achieved 8 distinction which brings pride to school. Why can’t other boys excell at their god given talents. In my books that is 8 distinctions if your to apply your logic Boys High should consider when comparing academic results with Jeppe.
You should not resent the fact Jeppe has been able to better utilise the limited resources it has through better indentification and research instead of relying CVs and coach testimonials like others. Because by getting a rugby mind to assess and indentitfy the gaps we may have and recruit appropriately we are better placed to find and unearth diamonds in the rough.
@Roger: I only reference the 90’s as that is when my cousins were at the school so I used to go watch the games and then I was at the school in the mid 90’s. I was lucky enough to be involved in two of those games and remember them fondly.
How the 94 and 95 teams lost is beyond me and I think that is the only game those two teams lost.
I still think the 80’s and 90’s defined this fixture. KES definitely have had the better of the fixtures but the games were tight.
I have some KES mates and we have a tradition, we take 3 A team fixtures and then 2nd and 1st teams in both Rugby and Hockey ( 10 games) loser has to pay for dinner on the Saturday night after the fixture. I am pleased to say that since starting out tradition, I have never had to pay for dinner
@theblackandwhite: @Ringo: 50’s best decade for Jeppe
1935: KES won 20-0
1936: KES won 26-0
1937: KES won 12-3
1938: Jeppe won 14-3
1939: KES won 9-6
1940: KES won 10-0
1941: KES won 8-3
1942: KES won 9-3
1943: KES won 11-3
1944: Jeppe won 11-9
1944: KES won 16-10
1945: Draw 3-3
1946: Jeppe won 9-3
1947: KES won 8-6
1948: Jeppe won 11-3
1949: Draw 0-0
1950: KES won 12-6
1951: Jeppe won 17-3
1952: Jeppe won 22-8
1953: Jeppe won 8-6
1954: Jeppe won 20-6
1955: Jeppe won 14-0
1956: KES won 13-3
1957: Draw 0-0
1958: KES won 16-14
1959: Jeppe won 16-8
1960: KES won 8-6
1961: KES won 12-11
1962: KES won 17-5
1963: Jeppe won 18-0
1964: KES won 22-19
1965: KES won 12-11
1966: KES won 6-0
1967: Jeppe won 16-9
1968: KES won 15-9
1969: KES won 9-3
1970: Draw 5-5
1971: KES won 12-5
1972: KES won 37-0
1973: KES won 15-10
1974: KES won 39-3
1975: KES won 28-3
1976: KES won 57-0
1977: KES won 51-3
1978: KES won 39-6
1979: KES won 22-20
1980: KES won 26-3
1981: KES won 22-10
1982: KES won 18-6
1983: Jeppe won 17-10
1984: KES won 18-15
1985: Jeppe won 18-13
1986: KES won 36-4
1987: KES won 18-10
1988: KES won 17-9
1989: KES won 21-18
1990: KES won 16-3
1990: Jeppe won 12-9
1991: Jeppe won 9-6
1992: Jeppe won 21-0
1993: KES won 22-21
1994: KES won 22-20
1995: KES won 24-22
1996: Jeppe won 12-5
1997: KES won 38-15
1998: KES won 23-3
1999: KES won 30-15
2000: KES won 27-9
2001: Draw 15-15
2002: KES won 38-3
2002: Jeppe won 20-14
2003: KES won 27-7
2004: KES won 12-0
2005: KES won 30-7
2006: KES won 12-0
2007: KES won 40-18
2008: KES won 24-14
2009: KES won 65-10
2010: Jeppe won 17-13
2011: KES won 36-15
2012: Jeppe won 28-13
2013: Jeppe won 15-12
2014: Draw 24-24
2015: KES won 24-0
@theblackandwhite: in fact – that was Jeppe’s best decade – 70’s and 80’s best forgotten from a Jeppe perspective – only two wins and a draw in twenty games. This decade is looking good thus far for Jeppe with 3 wins, two losses and a draw. Shhhh – don’t tell Tang – bloody mercenaries
@Tang: Just two points on the JK Foundation Bursary:
1. You do not get it if you do not play cricket – as academically astute as you may be
2. You lose it if you quit playing cricket.
I think your only argument here is that this is not a school/old boy funded scholarship – something you are against, and an argument I accept on your part. Secondly, you would do well to stick to arguing that PBHS does not go recruiting boys for this bursary; an argument of yours that I have found to be sound. You’re kind of making excuses by sugar coating the JKF bursary because it meets the exact criteria that you distaste:
1. It’s a contract with terms and conditions
2. It excludes kids with no cricketing ability
3. It beefs up a team by including a boy who otherwise would not be at the school had it not been for the bursary.
Only differentiating factor is that PBHS does not actively recruit these kids…though one might argue that why would they accept to be a participating school in the programme if they are anti-scholarships???
@theblackandwhite: amen to that – cheese and rice it is now boring ……
Below are KES vs Jeppe results in the 1990’s – was this one of Jeppe’s better decades? You can see from 1997 the scores started blowing out a bit – but prior to that it was touch and go each year (except 1992)….
1990: KES won 16-3
1990: Jeppe won 12-9
1991: Jeppe won 9-6
1992: Jeppe won 21-0
1993: KES won 22-21
1994: KES won 22-20
1995: KES won 24-22
1996: Jeppe won 12-5
1997: KES won 38-15
1998: KES won 23-3
1999: KES won 30-15
@Ringo: St Benedicts = Yes
KES = Yes
Parktown – I can’t comment
St Johns – No
Maritzburg College – Yes
St Stithians – this weekend but will definitely impact results.
@Tang: Hi Tang, sorry for the tardy reply to your post – let me try and answer your questions.
I understand your argument, and don’t get me wrong – I do sympathize with your schools predicament. I will follow your assumption and say that 5 boys are on bursary and play in the rugby team, we can’t say that 66% will play 1st XV because from my experience not all bursary students actually make it into the 1st team.
your stats are biased toward data mining however. You can’t judge an entire age group by the 15 boys that get to wear the striped jersey, the entire age group are eligible to play 1st team which means that your stat should not read 66% of the age group are playing 1st team – it should read 10 boys of 400 and therefore only 2.5% of the age group play 1st team – I hope I have explained that correctly.
The bursary students also have some hefty caveats attached to them – they have to play both a winter and summer sport, they need to participate in a cultural and they also have academic benchmarks that they have to meet. If they don’t meet those benchmarks they are not allowed to play rugby until their academic results improve. This allows for these boys to get a truly holistic education and also allows them to get into University which is the main objective anyways.
I know the story of the number 13 and number 8 are widely advertised but the other boy is not. I can honestly say that even f he could not catch a ball he would have been a recipient of a bursary because the character this boy demonstrated at such a young age is mind boggling.
The reason that I say it is unfair to ask Jeppe Boys on bursary to sit out Boys High fixtures is two fold:
1) what message does that send to the Boys High rugby players – when tough times are ahead, you should just give up or ask the other team to change the rules? Life is tough – and you have to demonstrate character when the chips are down.
2) Like any other boy in the Jeppe 1st team, they get excited to play rugby on a Saturday. Should we teach these boys that if they are gifted at something they should tone it down or not share their gifts because the other team doesn’t like it?
There are many other reasons that Jeppe rugby has seen a resurgence, in the early 2000’s Jeppe was forced to close 2 boarding houses. In the past decade through some very innovative thinking, Jeppe has not only re-opened those two boarding houses but also one of the few schools in the country that have had to think about building more boarding houses. This means that the amount of boarders in the last decade has moved from about 15% to about 35%, the fact that this has come at the same time that Jeppe sport in its entirety has improved can not be a coincidence.
Sometimes when you are backed into a corner some of the best solutions are found and I would say that more than any bursaries at Jeppe has changed the landscape. Boys High find themselves in a predicament now, but lateral thinking rather than crying foul on your opponents is what is needed here. I suspect that a time will come when Boys High will cave and start to offer bursaries – and I won’t begrudge them of that. I can honestly say that I am rooting for Boys High.
As a word of mention to one of your previous points – Jeppe get far fewer players in the Craven Week teams than they did in the 90’s where it was not unusual to see 8 players in the two craven week teams. We do however see a massive improvement in the Grant Khomo representation where we seldom had more than 1 boy in that team in the 90’s. I think that can be attributed to better coaching and also boys being introduced to rugby at primary school.
Gentlemen, the bursary situation “is what it is” and I don’t think that many of the schools are going to change that. I also don’t really care that schools offer sporting bursaries and I actually encourage gifted sportsman to be put on the biggest stages. So on that note I am going to bow out of this debate and rather look forward to some RUGBY banter!!
@Ringo: Let us rather raise the quality of the argument and not insult each other.
The JK scholarships are sanctioned because the primary focus of those scholarships is academic excellence upliftment and then cricket.
One example – A boy who got 8 distinctions and played for the first cricket team on a handful of occasions. He is mentioned on the page currently studying at Tuks. A great testament to the academic excellence at the school called PBHS. A fine young man who has a bright future ahead of him.
JK scholarships are controlled, open and don’t materially impact a fixture.
One key point. One of the Boys mentioned on the list matriculated last year so only three I can make out.
In terms of the Vleis example, that was one year and it flushed out this year at first team level. It is not as though it was throughout the whole fixture.
I think the reference to OP is a very low blow. One swallow does not make a summer.
How is widespread player acquisition in rugby a Boys High problem?
The issue is whether the reversal in your rugby fortunes is tied to scholarships/ bursaries or other factors. All I asked for was an explanation of why PBHS supporters should not see the Jeppe boys on sports scholarships as mercenaries.
There is much introspection at Boys High and rugby is seen as one sport and sport is seen as part of a balanced education.
In terms of residency. The hostel would qualify so boarders would pass the residency test.
I know Jake recruited several players – I think Victor Vermuelen may be another.
Were you perhaps on a TJ bursary?
Imagine I have no school avatar and I asked you this question. Why has Jeppe rugby turned around so significantly?
@Tang: I asked if the Jacques Kallis foundation cricketers sit out games versus Jeppe ( For your information there are four students that are at Boys High through the Jacques Kallis foundation but this being Moral high ground standing institution that is Boys High these boys were selected based on their excellent academic results and only thought how play cricket at Boys High right!!!!!!!!!
) Hence the claim that achievements in other sporting codes are not enhanced by scholarship receipents are false and misleading which professed by both you and your old school and clearly dispells your repeated statement that their are no sports bursary receipients at Pta Boys High I just gave you four examples refer to http://www.kallis.co.za/content/schools_pretoria_boys_high.php
The american high school sporting system which you so admire does not have leeway for the existance BEs at schools. I think Pta Boys High has one of the largest BEs so by your own argument a lot if the boys at Pta Boys High would fall into the ambit of ineligable players too coming from Kwa-mhlanga, Bushbuckridge (Chilliboy Ralephale) and the many boys from the Jeppe catchment in your words that prefer the excellent fascilities at Pta Boys High instead of Jeppe.
I also asked if you did not think bursary recepients at Kes, St Johns, Maritzburg College, Parktown, St Stithians and St Bennedicts did not materially affect the outcome of results against those schools which you did not answer.
A simple example I can give you is that Jan Serfontein left Grey PE for Grey College in grade 10 and Grey college played Pta Boys High with Mr Serfontein in the team did not hear you asking for him to sit the fixture or did not see any spurious rants from you about the inclusion of Mr Serfontein in the GREY team you simply excepted the hiding you got from them.
I gave you a fact about the Jake White era which you so relish that he too was not averse to recruiting boys later on in their school careers such as Russel Winter from Saint Stithians who joined Jake’s team in Matric and Russel refers to himself as a Jeppe not Saints old boy for intereest sake.
@ Vleis gave you an illistration how the results against Saint Albans which by his admission does not have any bursary recipients changed through the years they lost to Boys High in under 14 and thrashed them in the open ranks, a query to which you offered no response.
Your lack self introspection and lack of taking responsibility for your own problems and blaming everybody except the prepertrator of the offence reminds of the actions of another famous alumni of your institution will not say the name just would advice women to not use restrooms when he is around without first giving him a detailed explaination and fore-warning of the intention to go to the rest room. Take responsibility for current status of rugby at your institution and device a coherent strategy to change the fortunes of your teams, do not hold on to a false sense of entliment. Adapt or get left behind.
@Tang: I wonder if that Canterbury logo that not so long ago had a place on the right of the Boys High school badge on the 1st XV jersey ever warranted a change of name or if it all of a sudden impacted the mind set of the boys. Yes, fair enough, economics happened, and Canterbury got liquidated, and the powers that be at Boys High Almighty decided it was a bad idea anyway, and reverted to the age old sponsor less jersey
I accept your views on sponsorships on jerseys, and I myself sometimes battle to choose a side. I know your comment was said in jest by the way. I respect and commend PBHS for reverting back in realising it wasn’t for them, but not all solutions will fit every school – there are schools that would be dead (and not just rugby dead) without those scribbles on their jerseys. Not everyone is lucky enough to have an 80% fee payment rate.
@Tang: Premier Interschools have such a magazine program every Wednesday at 17h45 on SS1 before the weekend’s match that they broadcast. They had one last week for the match between Monnas and Glenwood as well. You will find all these build up magazine programs on Youtube as well.
@Vleis: Agreed and John Smit is going to be a free man soon, use him to do the recruiting/promoting etc, he is the face of PBHS rugby. Also Chiliboy to some extent. Glenwood use John Allan a lot, jersey ceremonies etc and now Warren Whiteley as much as possible…
@BoishaaiPa: Jokes aside, the rugby was excellent. I really enjoyed some of the old boy interviews as well.
@Tang: My recommendation to Boys High is:
1. A knee jerk reaction is not required – an incremental approach is fine.
2. Improve the quality of the coaching. The 2012 intake beat St Alban’s u14A by 5, then lost by 1 in u15, then lost by 17 in u16 and then lost by 28 in u18. That is a clear pattern.
3. The coaching can be teachers. The St Alban’s u14A coach is a head of house and teaches Geo, the u15A coach is head of Science; the u16A coach (ex 1st team coach) is head of Business Studies, so all are teachers…but are also very passionate rugby men.
4. In this day and age, I think that a Director of Rugby can be a professional rugby man – especially with PBHS having so many teams, thus requiring so much admin to ensure that they all get a game, etc. Have a look at the Affies rugby website to see how well all their teams are looked after.
5. Allow the OB’s to set up foundations, like the Clive Hatch one at Jeppe. The school will still have the final say whether the boy is admitted or not…but let the OB’s scour the country for talented future proud PBHS men.
6. Improve on the grade 8 recruiting. Host grade 7 rugby days – get famous OB’s to come and chat at these events, etc.
7. As Boishaaipa says, move on with the realities of the modern game in other facets such as advertising, etc.
Is your son in the current 1st team?
@Tang: It was still Grey and PR that played in 2015!..The sponsors logo on the jerseys do not imply that these schools lost their Ethos or Traditions.
The game was played with the same vigor and pride as it was done in 1990’s, and the fact that the jerseys had a couple of insignia’s on did not deprive the players or supporters of the same feel of Interschools. Try it, you might see its not the devil’s sign!
@Tang: Realities of the modern game unfortunately. Look at the Sprinkbok jersey pre 1992…No school can go without some type of sponsorship if they want to fulfill all the obligations that modern schoolboy rugby puts on a team. Adapt or you will be left behind!
@Tang: Some lack a school they actually support, those are the Trolls…
@BoishaaiPa: Lovely video.
Please can you help me out? I see in 1990 and 1991 it was Grey and PRG. Who was playing in 2015? It looked like Cell C 15 versus Mr Price Sport 15.
@beet – you need to work on the school jersey avatars. Most of them lack the advertising.
@Deon: Both it seems. That 2015 team for the 150 was hand picked as well as some of the group after them that contained Willemse and Vermeulen.
@boerboel: Not sure Bert, you tell me….
Based upon grass fixation obsession on size and weight he is probably a midget or a fatty. Never played rugby himself. Living the dream. Now though
@BoishaaiPa: Will do tonight.Recruited or remunerated?
Grassfixation:how do you squeeze your 1.93. 110 kg into your old school blazer ? ????
@Deon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7b-dZaZ050
Watch at around 11:34 into the clip.
@McCulleys Workshop: At the time I was living in Durbs, not now. I would offer St Stithians, St Davids or St Peters, but they all private schools with paid coaches…
@Grasshopper: Quite a long commute, you should offer your skills to Monnas, aren’t they closer?
@boerboel: https://bookreviewsbybobbie.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/trolls-blog-trolls-that-is/
Grassfixation:what did you offer g/wood?
teach the kids how to make excuses/moan/twisting the real facts?
or how to stalk a schoolrugby website?
@Tang: Ok so you are going to lose lots of games in the process of rebuilding your coaching ethos from u14 upwards, which will take some time to turn around (if it really is that important, I think someone higher up the chain of command hasn’t got his ego attached to the Saturday rugby results, thank God, and this may not be his/their desired outcome in any case), and possibly win some big scalps on the way. Then you will start rebuilding your beer collection!
@Tang: A good example of handing down knowledge, is Tank Lanning coaching scrumming at Bishops Prep where his son attends. No official coaching job, just for the love of the game. I think he goes down once a week to do some work with the forwards. We need more OB’s like that willing to do this for the love of the game. I have offered at Glenwood but it fell on deaf ears.
@Deon: Then how can you explain your prop Salie from last year openly stating on TV in the Premier Interschools Magazine program that he was recruited to PR and is there on a bursary?..It was his own words. I do believe you and some other old boys still live under the illusion that PR doesn’t recruit….Wake up and smell the coffee!
@McCullyes Workshop: I think it is the only option. Coach the coaches and take no prisoners.
@Tang: Tang, to remain consistent in your argument, regardless of what other schools are doing, your only option is to have quality coaching by teachers (I’m sure you could allow some leeway on allowing parents and old boys to get involved?) from u14H upwards. Period. Sacrifice other sports and cultural events and drill the rugby squads from early Feb, (KAMP STAALDRAAD style) moulding the raw talent you have available with a school of 1600 boys. What are your other options?
I don’t think PBH is going to disappear of be any less of a leading school if they don’t beat Affies for the next 40 years nor do I think they should even try. You may just have to fork out a couple of cases of Black Label to your Affies mates each year, so be it.
@Grasshopper: True. But the school openly opposes and discourages, while some schools simply have to put such bursaries in place to maintain standards, or achieve certain standards. I think the school wants to make a point that they don’t need these to maintain its standard.
Opinions change over time, and they should. I previously was very much against this, but now feel there may indeed be a place for this, especially at grade 8 level. It provides opportunities to kids which they may not have had before. If a child has some talent which he/she will develop better in a certain school his/her parents cannot afford, then why stop them? I guess there are bursaries and bursaries. Its not straight forward and situations differ.
@Tang: If the boy loses his bursary when he does not perform to expectation on the sport field that is obviously wrong.
Some children are stars in Gr 8 but average in Gr 12.
But if the child is allowed to finish his schooling in spite of his sport achievements I see nothing wrong with the process.
Only focussing on academic bursaries is disingenuous, as playing sport has become a profession and receiving a bursary to attend a school that advances the child’s ambition to become a profession rugby player should be as important as allowing him to achieve 7 A’s and access to med school.
@akw: We are waiting with hope. The school has a big decision to make.
I do want to tell you that Ryno was superb. Results should in no way reflect on his capability. He is a gentleman and he can hold his head up high.
@Grasshopper post 500: This is precisely why you need control.
There are two simple tests:
1) Residency – Parents moving or residing in the catchment area.
2) Eligibility – Was the move to another school or from primary to high school based on an inducement or an offer of reward (free schooling, free boarding, etc). If we had an eligibility test in South Africa prior to any fixtures taking place, I bet you the results would start to look totally different.
Hypothetically speaking, if we were in the USA, the number of ineligible athletes would be stupendous.
@Tang: I think that the person you appoint in Ryno’s place will be vital.
Is there no chance a certain Mr Anthony would be tempted to return to Jacaranda Central?
@Matty; Let me pose the question a different way then.
Why do Jeppe contribute so many more boys to provincial rugby teams now than in the past?
Are you saying that your school have given bursaries to Boys based on their academic capability and since coming to the school they have become good rugby players?
Can I please ask you to answer these questions?
Do you see an ethical problem in giving a bursary in exchange for services?
Do you believe offering bursaries based on selection criteria is ethical? (You have to be a good rugby player, a good hockey player, etc)
@Vleis: I have read the post in detail.
You are putting me on the spot now but you ask very good questions.
1) Yes – I have been openly critical of the approach taken by Boys High in terms of approach to rugby. In around 2009/2010 I saw a widening of the gap between Boys High Rugby and some of the traditional rivals. I predicted this would impact results negatively. I think Boys High saw the decline in results as a traditional macro cycle. My view was different. I didn’t see it as a cycle but rather a concerted effort by traditional rivals to become more competitive at rugby.
I think there are variables you can control and others you can’t control. Areas within your control are coaching and catchment area. Schools like Boys High have to drive an alignment of sports with the main feeder schools. You can’t expect youngsters to jump from football to rugby and then compete with Afrikaans speaking boys who have grown up with rugby. I think Boys High have now started to do this and there should be a long term cycle of improvement (current u14 A team). I also felt Boys High were very slow to respond to the issue of coaching. I don’t mean professional coaches. I mean upskilling the teachers to get to higher levels of proficiency.
I am conflicted on the issue of sports bursaries. I can see how they will help but I would hate to see them change the very essence of Boys High.
2) I don’t think Boys High have even considered dropping traditional fixtures or of asking boys on bursaries to not participate in the fixture. These are my views. I have this view because as you so rightly point out, there is no control over the practice.
I think Boys High now have a conundrum. I don’t think anyone at the school would not like to see results improve. I think we can safely assume there will be no bursaries. This means the only variable you can control is coaching. If you take this approach, you have to build exceptional coaches and that is not a short term fix.
@Deon: policy and truth never equate, my mate is an honest man. Funnily enough he is moving to Somerset West and might still move his boy to PRG anyway. That story could easily become a poaching one when it isn’t.
@Grasshopper: I recall the case of your friend’s son mentioned by you in 2014. As I mentioned then, my (then
) father-in-law was the headmaster of Tygerberg for eight years, and he says the one “traditional rugby school” Tygerberg never had problems wrt players being approached, was PRG.
PRG’s headmaster in the media and on the school websites openly opposes buying and bursaries for rugby by the school, its OB’s or anyone associated with the school. The school’s policy is that this is absolutely not acceptable.
Hence, there are no PRG scouts or reps as such. Or maybe our rector is blatantly lying?!
Many parents, in all provinces love to tell stories about their kids being approached to play rugby or do athletics etc. I think very little of that is actual fact. I specifically remember two parents in the East Rand stating their sons were approached by EGJ, only later to admit this was not true.
@Grasshopper: Grey has a long and illustrious history to thank for their performance, it is reductive and insulting to ascribe it to their isolation. You always refer to the founding date of Glenwood, Grey is 55 years older than that.
If you lived in Bethlehem your boy would receive a 100% bursary offer from Glenwood or Jeppe, according to this thread.
@MikeSt:
@MikeSt: Glenwood had an unmarked bus at Monnas last week, I reckon the Glenwood boys asked the masters to kidnap a few of the lovely Monnas girls too
@Vleis: Agree with you but that also adds to the problem we have in the Valke and Lions region where rugby apart from not even a handfull of schools is dying a slow death.
In the Valke there is only 2 schools competing EGJ and Kempton and in Lions same story only Monnas and Marais Viljoen (i believe they will be moving down from next year too) so in a massive region like Gauteng we have 3 schools competing with one another.
EGJ nowadays use a unmarked bus for kidnapping
@Maroon: I knew some Paul Roos oke would get offended and pipe up. My friend had his boy at Tygerberg and he was approached by a Paul Roos rep, maybe it was a one off, not sure.
@Grasshopper:Paul Roos scouts? Would love to know on what chappie wrapper you got that information!
@BoishaaiPa: Yes, the situation in Paarl/Stellies is amazing. As with Monnas and EG, great credit must go to the schools for putting in such impressive rugby programmes…but it also shows how much talent there is in the W Cape. Even your exports are Bokke – April, Jantjies, etc.
@BoishaaiPa: Yep and the Northern Suburbs! They particularly don’t like Paul Roos scouts wandering about in Durbanville, Kraaifontein etc. Agreed, if there was only one super school in Stellenbosch and none others within 50km then they would be unbeatable. Grey have their isolation to thank for their performances. I mean if I lived in Bethlehem, where else would I send my boy!
@Grasshopper: Now you see the picture unfolding in the Free State?..There is no school that can compete for rugby players against Grey College in Free State and surrounding areas. Down here, within a small radius of less than 40Km, Boys can pick between, Paul Roos, Paarl Gim, Paarl Boys and Boland Landbou…and some pretty other decent schools in the Boland…Then you still have the Southern Subs English speaking 4some…Imagine if there were only one Boy’s school situated in Stellenbosch or Paarl…
@Vleis: I will take a look at your post and give an answer.
I am talking about Sacs in Cape Town. Huge rugby transformation that is worthy of examination.
@Grasshopper: There isn’t a large amount of english speaking boys in Pta, so the competition is still fierce. PBHS compete with St Alban’s, Southdowns (2 in Bulls CW team and 3 in AW team), Midstream, Sutherland…and a whole bunch of Curros, Wooodhills, etc. Also, some souties elect to go to the Dutchie schools, like in KZN…but the other way around.
The new cheaper privates (Curros, etc) are increasing at a significant rate and are slowly sapping the talent of the more traditional schools dry. The Afrikaans schools do not have this problem. My son was selected for the Bulls private school team last year and I was very surprised at the number of private schools that were around in Pta.
@Vleis: Very good points, there is massive competition in KZN for a very small pool of talented rugby players, hence why we have to look further afield. Soccer is still the main sport in the majority of our feeder schools so we have to start from scratch, especially in the C, D and E teams. In areas like Krugersdorp and Boksburg, rugby is a religion and boys play from around 4 or 5 years old. I bet Monnas and EG have almost 80% of their boys playing rugby. In KZN only about a third of the big schools play rugby, hockey, squash, basketball etc compete with rugby. I think looking at Pretoria there is huge competition for talent, especially in the Afrikaans speaking schools. I mean you have Waterkloof, Garsfontein, Affies, Eldoriagne, MenloPark, Centurion etc. But on the English school front, there isn’t much competition, PBHS must get the bulk. Maybe the English feeder schools play soccer so they too have to start from scratch, not sure.
@Tang
I think I’ve begun to understand your argument. First things first, let’s just get this out there for all to know, Jeppe is first and foremost a school, and boys go there in order to get a good matric and hopefully obtain entry to university. End of. I don’t think its fair for an outsider to the school to say any different. To say that some boys are there only to play sports is insulting, once again.
Although, we are still not where we want to be academically every year progress is made and we are quickly catching up to our sister school (one of the top feeder schools to Wits fyi). But, ja I suppose that’s only down to the academic scholarships on offer. We should probably end that unethical practice too.
@MikeSt: The schools that you mention have to compete with many others for talent – e.g. DHS competes with Westville, Glenwood, Kearsney, Maritzburg. However, Monnas have no real competition in the W Rand (perhaps Rusties) and EG have no real competition in the E Rand (perhaps Kempton). Most of the top rugby players in your region will automatically go to your schools. Also, Monnas and EG definitely recruit as well – I remember EG even kidnapping boys from a hostel in the Vaal a few years ago.
That said, a lot of credit must be given to EG and Monnas for their brilliant rugby structures, recruiting, coaching, etc. Well done to them.
@Ringo: You missread my message. I said which players in the current 1st team are on a rugby scholarship. In 2011, two players were brought to St Alban’s by the Bulls from the E Cape, but that was a long time ago. Tang has made you very defensive on this rugby scholarship issue
. As I’ve said before, I have nothing against scholarships….but I’m trying to make it clear to Tang that the 1st team of PBHS lost by 41 to 13 at home to a team with probably zero rugby scholarships. He is blaming all of PBHS’s woes on scholarships, which is bunkum.
Pretty much think that with all the funding schools like Glenwood, Benedicts, KES, Jeppe, PBH, DHS and many more is receiving from Old Boys, donations etc etc their performances should be a lot better that what is the case at this stage.
For the past few years its only really Glenwood who has been up and about.
And I am only referring to rugby when I say this.
Schools like EGJ, Monnas etc would give both their hands to get the type of financial assistance to allow for more aggressive bursaries and development.
@Tang: I would support your argument if Boys High did not play Kes, Maritzburg, Westville, St Johns, St Stithians, Parktown, and St Bennidects.
These have been giving scholarships for way longer my assessment of you alarm and concern is losing to Jeppe tge main concern. Kes changed the results against Boys High through bursaries nearly 10 years ago and the other schools you have merrily omitted from your arguments have been for many years. FYI in Jake era he would get players he needed to plug holes case in point Russel Winter came to Jeppe in Matric from Saint Stithians. I might have mistakenly stated that Boys High’s catchment area was declining but what I meant was kids with rugby ability in that area are choosing Menlo and Garsfontein as alternatives to Affies and no longer Pta Boys High. Do the Kallis foundation cricketers sit out games against Jeppe for interest sake?
@Gungets Tuft: Yeah I was talking about College woukd be interested to see how many Prestige donors they have the numbers must be astronomical. Also would love to know who many good samirtian old boys pay the fees of talented sportsmen. Great school college for the longest time thought I had them as my first choice to send my son, but now definitely think Jeppe is no brainer for him now.
@theblackandwhite: Yeah Tshepo was part of the provisional trial squad but never made the final team . He is involved in the lions u21 structures currently.
@vleis I might be mistaken but the bulls used to pay the fees of rugby recruits they sent to St Albans were those not cobsidered rugby bursaries
@Tang: What are your answers to my post on 444?
Your stated the following above in 479:
“7) I am also not singling out Jeppe and having a frothy about Jeppe. As I keep writing, Jeppe are a good case study. I would aslo put SACS and St Benedicts into this category.”
Who is SACS? Is it the school in CT, or the school in Grahamstown? If it’s the school in Pretoria, I’d be interested to find out which player in the 1st team is on a rugby bursary. I’m 100% sure that none of the gr12s are on a rugby bursary and I’m pretty sure that none of the gr11s are on one, but can’t say for certain.
@JeppeZimD: Yes the one and only
@theblackandwhite post 416: Firstly let me compliment you on a well put together and eloquent argument. Rather than insult each other we should raise the standard of our arguments and you certainly have done this.
I do feel that a response to your post is in order.
Here are my points and counter arguments:
1) All the boys on bursaries play sport. I assume Jeppe is no different to any of the big boys schools requiring each boy to play at least one summer and one winter sport. So of the 100 boys on scholarships/ bursaries all of the play sport. This means 100% of boys on bursaries play sport.
2) In the A rugby teams at Jeppe can we assume 4 or 5 boys are on bursaries? If we can agree on this number, then 33% of your A teams are made up of boys who are on bursaries.
3) When you get to open level, there will be between 8 and 10 boys on bursaries. This is 66% of your first team. Do you agree with this logic and the numbers?
4) At what point do the number and quality of players on bursaries materially affect the outcome of A/B team fixtures?
5) I asked Ringo to change my perception of the Jeppe A teams not being mercenaries (this is a terrible term for school boys). So lets rather say please change my perception about the number of boys who are on bursaries. In other words dispute my points 2 and 3.
6) At no point have I argued that the lives of the boys on bursaries will not be changed. There is no doubt they will have better opportunities and I am all for that. I still maintain they have been brought to the school to play sport. In other words, in exchange for a bursary you deliver a service. I see this as professionalism. How do you see it?
7) I am asking that we contextualize results. In fact @beet will confirm this point. I am also not singling out Jeppe and having a frothy about Jeppe. As I keep writing, Jeppe are a good case study. I would aslo put SACS and St Benedicts into this category.
8) In terms of contextualizing results, it is important that we understand the chasm Jeppe rugby manged to cross. I would say this point came in 2012 (your current first team). I watched them play against PBHS in 2012 as I had a vested interest in the u14 A rugby team in that year. To say I was shocked would be an under statement. It was clear then that Jeppe had done an excellent job of recruiting talent. Your no 15 and no 13 tore PBHS to pieces. Your no8/no 11 was not in that side.
9) I have long held the view that the number of boys in a school can very quickly be nullified at A team level by the quality of talent being given sports bursaries. Your 2012 Form 1 class is a great way to prove my point.
10) Do you agree that boys on bursaries and the quality of talent on bursaries have an impact on a fixture? I will repeat my question. At what point do the number of boys on sports bursaries materially affect the outcome of a fixture?
11) Contextualizing results is very important but sadly it is absent from the mindset in School Boy Rugby. My simple point is that boys on bursaries have a far greater impact on the outcome of results than any other variable in school boy rugby.
12) I think you may have unwittingly answered my question. The number seems to be 5%. That is all it takes to materially influence the outcome of A/B team results and that is precisely what I am focusing on.
This also places into context the recent results against Jeppe.
I have heard a few Jeppe Bloggers start to point out the demise of Boys High rugby is related to a decline in the quality of the catchment area. That is false and totally unsubstantiated. I have also heard that Boys High did in fact have bursaries in the past but those have subsequently been dropped. That is also false and has no merit.
Here is the central theme of my argument. Boys High rugby results need to be placed into proper context. Perhaps Boys High rugby has not declined but rather the quality of the opposition Boys High is playing has increased through bursaries.
@Jeppe Bloggers: Please can you dispute my argument above. I am not singling out Jeppe I am trying to put results into context.
I would also like to know why you feel it is unfair to ask your boys on bursaries to sit out the PBHS fixture. If you feel that the boys on bursaries will not materially impact the Boys High fixture why shouldn’t they sit out. When you play against opponents who support bursaries and scholarships by all means include them. Perhaps this simple 5% reduction in numbers may start to paint a very different picture at A/B team levels. I think PBHS should take this stance against any school who offers sporting bursaries.
If I were to make my argument totally simple I would put it this way. Let the 100% of boys at Boys High who are not on sports bursaries play the 95% of boys at Jeppe who are not on sports bursaries.
You have to agree that the bulk of fixtures between Boys High and Jeppe were played this way. Going back to the early 1930’s no boys were on bursaries. Jeppe materially changed the outcome of the fixture when they took the decision to give sports bursaries. Why is it unfair of Boys High to ask that tradition be maintained?
@Ringo: It could be Elon Musk and Investec vs Donald Gordon and co. DHS are not short of some significant donors either.
@MikeSt: RH, Reg Hammond
@Ringo: Forgot to answer your question. Assistant coach in 2008…head coach since 2009.
Most admirable is that he was at Dale from Sub A to matric.Captained the unbeaten 1stXV in 93.Started coaching the SubA rugby teams in 1997…worked his way to under 9s then 12a then coached the under 13As from 2002 till 2008.
@Ringo:
Funny enough there was a blogger who enquired about the number of 19 year olds in the Dale team about a month ago.It happens.
I admire what Jeppe has done.Our challenge at Dale is that out feeder Dale Junior gets offered bursaries left right and centre.We raise what we can to keep the few that we can.The current Grey captain for example landed at Southdowns at some point. He got fed up and is now at Grey.A TJ type of foundation would go a long way in ensuring we don’t lose out.Promise a kid an all round education because he’s good at rugby. It’s all good.It’s when promises of a career come in where I have a problem
@theblackandwhite: I heard its the Jeppe schedule that is too tight this year. Helpies have a long break of about 6 weeks between games at the moment with exams looming.
@Ringo: I wouldn’t let Tang get under your skin. The fact that he is almost in tears about our resurgence just suggests to me that the School is doing something right. Hats off must go to the principal and the staff.
I heard you talking about the baby boks team and the 2 Old Boys in that squad and wondered what happened to one of our players – perhaps you would know.
He was a center – I think his name was Tshepo Tuli (along those lines), I always look out for his name and thought he would have had a shout for the baby boks team….in my opinion, that kid had everything – size, speed, skill.
@Ringo: have to congratulate you guys with the effort put in. Have a lot of respect for a former teammate and friend RH whos doing sterling work at Jeppe.
@Quagga: Will be there. Trying to get n braai going
@Ringo: I assume you’re talking about Maritzburg College. You’re right about the multigenerational thing, in my boys matric year last year there must have been 40 Old Boys sons, I think 3 were 4th generation, one was 5th. The school makes a big deal of their matric boys who are all inducted into the Old Boys Association at a special evening. During the 5 years at College a years membership is paid per year, so a boy automatically has 5 years membership after school. Obviously the deductions are voluntary, but most pay it. So on that evening they get presented with an OBs tie, generational boys get presented the tie by their fathers, all pretty emotional stuff.
That besides, I’m not so sure about the R20 million a year. I’ve not looked at the Foundations books but that seems a lot. They do provide bursaries, and fee assistance, but sports talent has less to do with it than financial stress. More detail here —> http://www.collegefoundation.co.za/Maritzburg%20College%20Prospectus%202013.pdf
@Quagga: is there any particular reason why the are not playing a regular fixture?
To all the bloggers. Please advise which of you will be at the Lions trials matches tomorrow at Monnas. Perhaps we can all for once watch the same games and complain about the same stuff at the same time
@thebkackandwhite: Helpies would probably like to help you even more by playing a game of rugga against you in the near future.
At a recent OB’s evening,the Headmaster at College told us the annual budget to run the school was 100 million of which the state provided 17%,the rest has to come from school fees.Full time teaching staff numbers around 50 odd,chuck in boarding masters,estate staff and sports coaches and it starts to stack up.Also said the Governing Body had instructed the school to cut down on the number of bursaries given out,he would have to source funds from other avenues for this.I guess these numbers show how important it is for any government school to attract and satisfy fee paying parents…
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@Ringo: Hahaha as an Old Grey, I’m simply happy for Dale. Losing to Dale stings a lot, I still can’t get the 2011 images out of my head but they’ve been the form team of the EC and full credit goes to them. Fantastic season, even better result.
@Roger: Couldn’t agree more, I am sure KES for one were secretly rooting for Jeppe to pull them selves out of the doldrums in the early 2000’s. A lot of these schools give each other relevance and there would not be all this history, tradition and banter without each other. This is why despite the comments from Tang, I really hope that Boys High get back to their lofty standards.
As for some comments about school sport becoming too professional – I appreciate it, without it we would not have got the opportunity to play the likes of Affies, Monnas, and Helpmekaar. They have indirectly helped us improve our own rugby, you can see that exposure to those schools on a more regular basis has forced us to get better at the u14 group with better coaching in particular.
@The Beast: Actually every boy at Glenwood is on a bursary covered by Ivan Clarke, all other sponsorship, gov funds and donations went to the ex headmasters account…
@Roger: They probably are very similar in those given out, Glenwood might just spread the discount further, so 20 boys on 25%, 20 on 50% and 10 on 100%. Not sure. I do know of a few ‘silent’ investors paying for kids, but they usually from single parent homes or talented kids OR orphans. We actually had a few attend when I was there from an orphanage up the road. We will never know what really goes on. Also, I find those claiming to be innocent are usually the worst. If you have nothing to hide be transparent about it. The horse has bolted on this now so there can be no regulation. Glenwood openly recruit at grade 8 level and have done so higher up to huge uproar, so hopefully the later recruiting has stopped. There are swings and roundabouts too, Glenwood lost a very talented No8 in the 2015 under14a side to Monnas, but that was because the kid wanted to go home. The reverse can happen, let’s hope Glenwood isn’t burnt at the stake if it does. Times are tough and parents are looking to save where they can. If a school is offering your kid a bursary, it’s hard to say no.
@Vleis: sure numbers could be higher but in the Jeppe case think they tend to be lot lighter than people imagine. I do not know the other boy. Only Nkosi as he phenom out Barbeton lucky find he was. Really think he was more effective in his grade 11 year than in matric. But glad he is baby bok today.
@Playa: careful their Honourable Playa someone bitter Grey High Blogger might attribute your win to the unknown God of Bursaries or more likely overage players
” I kid its just a passing jibe at old Tang cannot help myself” viva Amadoda viva hope Griffy gets building or at least a field named after him at Dale. How long has he been coaching there.
@Vleis: I am still slightly hungover…recovery time not what it used to be
@Playa: So….can we assume that you went big on Sat evening?
@Ringo: Sure, but the numbers could be higher than what the public knows is what I’m saying. Anyway, it doesn’t matter – as far as I’m concerned the Clive Hatch fund re your u20 Bok player is another fantastic story. Is the other recipient (in grade 12 this year) still playing rugby, or is he injured, as I haven’t seen his name for a while?
@Roger: Hahahaha! I purposefully avoided that bit of detail.
@Ringo: big up to Jeppe I say – keep going. SA simply cannot afford for schools like Jeppe, KES, Boys High, College, Selborne, Queens, Dale, the Greys, SACS etc etc to fail – less than 5% of all matriculants are educated at private schools. Quite simply not sustainable
@Vleis: In that statement you are reaffirming my comments Nkosi was managed by the fund I think I remember him speficifically. See different people pay for the Kids but the fund takes the role of holistically looking after the kids. Organising excursions; helping with home work; and giving them an opportunity to live the lives that soo many of our take for granted.
@Playa: hehehehehe – there’s a lot more to that story – suffice to say, good ‘ol Elon was initially at Bryanston High and was badly bullied to the extent his folks moved him to Boys High. When he matriculated he skedaddled to Canada (to avoid conscription) and never looked back. He did not enjoy his time at Bryanston or Boys High and when Boys High approached him for ammo – his response was take it (the R1 million) and don’t come knocking again
Huge loss to SA – a man of his talents and ingenuity – thanks Boys High
@Playa: Coincidentally I saw plans for a massive music centre that is being built at Boys High. Entering the realms of the privates I see is where Pta Boys High are heading. The fascilities at the 85 acre compaus are astonoshing to say the least. But wait and I see what will happen if the paying public start to vote with their feet and wallets. Lets if the could survive a reduction of fees collected to 40% and see if they would still sit on their so called moral High ground.
@Ringo: We can’t say with confidence that we know what goes on behind the scenes. For all we know, the GLRU may sponsor a boy, or a generous person may want to sponsor a kid himself, rather than work via the fund. Also, to say that the Theo Jackson Fund is an aggregation of all the old boy funding for the Kids at the school may not be correct – e.g. there is a Clive Hatch scholarship that funds one of your 1st team players and funded a 2014 1st team player that is now in the SA u20 RWC squad.
That said, despite the fact that my son’s school does not seem to provide many (if any in the past few years) rugby scholarships, I’m not against them at all. I think stories like your 8, 13 and 15 are great. Long may they continue and hopefully more schools adopt similar funds.
@Roger: I know for a fact what the GDE pays per learner to the school assumming that Jeppe and Kes are in the same income medium its around R 111 per learner per year. Think at a rough estimate without new capital projects its costs around R 30 – R40 million a year to run a school like Jeppe. So ja not cheap at all. But argument is about the number of bursaries at Kes or interested parties that want to pay the fees of deserving and gifted kids far exceed the number at Jeppe and if your saw the numbers at Grey and Maritzburg college old Tang’s head would explode. So why single out Jeppe is because in his eyes we were so far beneath them he could never fathom ever losing to Jeppe again in his lifetime. Supreme arrogrance me I will make hay while there is sunshine and endevour to keep Jeppe a school I will proudly send my son and truly the appreciate the efforsts of those who have so far.
@Playa: Correction – it was R1million
@Tang: I fully understand your sentiments, but I think you need to be careful of one thing. Academic scholarships/bursaries are not (always) an altruistic gesture – much like sporting ones. They’re also about raising a school’s profile, and also (at times) come with terms and conditions attached. So one might counter your argument by saying that if you don’t favour the one, it makes no sense to favour the other…no matter how you look at it, both are still contracts.
Scholarships have been there long before sports went professional. And the purpose they serve is twofold: 1. To afford kids an opportunity they otherwise would not be able to get 2. School’s profile raised if recipients perform accordingly…with the hope that you’ll attract enough fee paying talent in the future.
What we should be questioning is the manner in which these awards are handled by institutions. Are our schools buying teams, or are they investing in children, and in essence the school itself? Do you see something wrong with a matric class of 100, with 50 boys on an academic scholarship? Is this worse/better/equal to a 1st XV with 7 boys on a rugby bursary?
P.S. Elon Musk donated $1million about a year ago to Boys High to use as they please. Upon the school’s request. They asked for less than that if I recall, and had a certain project in mind. Let’s see if the winds of change are upon your alma mater.
@Grasshopper: A girl that works in my department says when she audited a very prominent Goverment Boys School in Pietermaritzburg the donations received in any given year by the that school exceeded R 20 million consitently. I would assume that Glenwood must be able to at least get R 10 million in donations. She also mentioned how extraordinarily high the number of old boys who sent their Kids there and were willing to pay the full. On average you get third/fourth generation old boys decendants attending that school. If you were to contrast it with the average generational return at Jeppe is one maybe two. You find that many successful old boys children from Jeppe are at Saint Johns/ Saint Peters/Saint Bennedicts and Saint Stithians and the self hating not so successful ones send their children to Kes and Pta Boys High. The trick is to get old boys to want to send their Kids to the school they went too and keep it the school at the levels it was when they were there or even higher. So get him to pledge his coffee budget and you can also chip in with some of your emigration kitty.
@Vleis: But you see Mr Vleis that is where Jeppe differs with all the others the Theo Jackson Fund is an aggregation of all the old boy funding for the Kids at the school. Maybe at Kes you might not know the exact number but with the Theo Jackson fund you know the exact number and what it is used for.
@Tang: Donald Gordon+ Gary Player versus Elon Musk versus PSG that is fight I will pay to watch
adapt my good mate. They have the head start capitalise
@Vleis: @Ringo: I said +- 80 across the school provided for by the school / trust. No idea how many other pupils are there on bursaries provided by old boys etc. Many of these are 100% confidential (for obvious reasons) but the school / trust can only budget and provide for a certain number every year. Ringo – all those benefactors / activities are fund raisers and cash is used for Capex, operational and running expenses as well as bursaries, staff costs and housing etc etc etc. Ask Dale (whom I know very well) the amount of funds Jeppe receives from the GED on an annual basis and what their annual operational budget is – it will scare you. Former model C schools such as jeppe and kes are not all that cash flush and without all the above they would become an Athlone very quickly
@BiasedDHSDad: Just to add to your comment and to the debate…I agree with you, but being a Northwood supporter, I have seen first hand the effects of being left behind on the rugby field.
The conundrum is that Sport, and rugby in particular, is what brings Old Boys back to the school, its what brings the gees, and makes boys proud to wear their school blazer, puff out their chests, sing their school song etc. It is a massive signal to the public and parents about how the school is perceived (rightly or wrongly).
DHS knew that, and hence shopped hard for the current 1st rugby team 5 years ago. They had no choice – they HAD to have a competitive and successful rugby team for 2016. The publicity and pride in DHS as a result has been tangible….all because of a few rugby games.
Thats the challenge.
@theblackandwhite: @Roger: @Ringo: One will never know the exact amount of scholarships offered, as there are many pupils funded by OB’s (or others) that are not advertised. I sat next to a parent of one such boy at the KES festival a few years back. Also, KES made it clear that the ex-SACS pupil (also the ex-Parktown boys I think) were not funded by the school at all. Therefore, they are funded by OB’s/GLRU/etc. I’m not attacking KES or Jeppe, but rather, pointing out that it is a very inexact science…so scholarship numbers will never be controllable, as Tang would like.
@Tang: I hear your views, but must point out two key observations:
1. Even you’ve openly criticised PBHS on this blog about their rugby philosophy, so clearly there is dissension in the ranks. If you stop playing your traditional (but more “professional”) foes, there will be mammoth carnage on the streets! It’s just a matter of time before PBHS change their philosophy – even if only incrementally. Then hiring of the DoR was the first incremental step.
2. PBHS must move with the times. PBHS has a massive head-start due to it’s great history and reputation, but it can’t rely solely on same indefinitely. You don’t want to become another Sandringham…or Kodak!
@Grasshopper: Hence you guys have 800 on bursaries with Ivan’s assistance.
But only 200 on rugby bursaries.
@Ringo: for Glenwood Old Boy, Ivan Clarke 6 bar is like his coffee budget!
@Grasshopper: Hence the NO need of going to a Nerdy School.
@BiasedDHSDad: I pray everyday my girls play better rugby than I did.
@The Beast: I saw a stat recently, 80% of billionaires globally don’t have a degree!
@Roger: And the Gary Player foundation and annual Gary Player/Kes fundrasing golf day. R 6 million is small change for them considering the reach of this school’s benifactors. I assume the rugby festival alone makes atleast R 1 million for the school. Give or take 20 K spectators over the three days at R 30 a head + Sponsorship money, stall rentals and all the golden ale that is served. Lets just say the pockets at Kes are not comparable with Jeppe not yet anyway. Give us 2 to 3 years will be stealing our lunch soon for lack of a better choice of words.
@The Beast: “I thought they closed DHS down? Did not know until last Saturday that you guys were still involved.
You should have at least sent your kids to Glenhout seeing you decided against College.”
No, its still there and producing many leaders in business and sport with its fine education.
I now live in Durban so made a conscious decision to send my sons to DHS because of the standard of education and the fact it is a fully transformed school that I believe best prepares boys for life after school in South Africa. I was a sportsmen to a decent level so maybe I do not feel the need to vicariously live through my children’s sport and so chose a school based on education, not just sport … although they are both excellent sportsmen in their own right.
@Tang: Yip, I do know I can piss further than you. You probably sit down whilst pissing, so not hard to piss further than you.
It’s ridiculous that you cannot win a rugby match. Maybe you should play against Damelin and Crawford College then. That campus must be a very happy place on rugby day when you all line up to take another rogering.
Cannot believe that you don’t wanna go the pro route of the Glenwoods etc.
@Roger: My guess is around 80 per grade based on available literature and shared anecdotes including academic scholarships that is the number bandied around not all are 100% percent scholarships but a fair chunk are over 50. Remember there is the legendary Kestrust “initial started to fund the building of the Kes astro”, the R 300 club and the Donald Gordon Trust all long established and much older than Theo Jackson. Scholarships rocketed Kes to heights of Boy School royalty. Then in error in 11/12&13 gr 8 intake you did not recruit as intensively as in previous years assumming the investment had paid off quality boys would not have viable alternatives in JHB. However the Jeppe revivail was in full swing hence the need to recruit after the fact with the SACS boy and Parktown twins and many other unknow schools which have been raided in fear of the Jeppe dream seasons.
@theblackandwhite: you write well I can count but my writting is not so great. I also get quite hot and bothered when people blantly accuse the oldest goverment school north of the vaal to only exist with a sole fixation of Rugby rankings careless to say the least is that statement. I think it is disingenuous of old Tang to assume Jeppe is the first to recruit or the only school to successfully recruit. While I would think the philosophy that has been adopted here is that if you are going to something do it well and use your limited resources efffectively. I can certainly state without qualification that I have not heard anybody officiallly involved at school saying their aspirations are to ranked in the top 10 or 20 in rugby or any sport. But to be competitive and represent themselve with pride. If we old boys need to settle some not soo old wounds…… the school can not be held responsible. I will say it over and over again between 03 – 07 Boys High consitently put margins of more than 50 on Jeppe teams was that considered traditional in there eyes. I think not in fact that is what has created this percived air of surperiority that people like Tang can write on this blog with.
@Tang You did not answer my question in regard to the reversal of the U14 results and FYI
“I have mate who teaches at Jan Viljoen which is near Zoo Lake very posh Afrikaans prep school a parent there who is Grey College old boy spends around R600 K on school fees for his own kids then still pledges around R 400K to his alma mater for the school to use as they please. Jeppe is a small fish in scary big pound in which almost all but one which is PBHS which I do not understand how. Tend share BHP sentiments rested on their lurels far too long and had their player base stolen by Garsfontein and Menlo Park. Plot the trigetary of your schools rugby fortunes you will see. I would assume you get an X as PBHS stocks dropped you will see that the latter two have risen.
@Roger: your number sounds right to me, I am surprised the trust/school gives as many as that 80. I would expect that KES are similar to Jeppe in that maybe 100 bursaries across the board (School and Old Boys donors).
@The Beast: How about this then. It doesn’t matter if we are in 1930, 1980 or 2016. Schools remain schools.
Until you can show me this has changed in anyway, your argument is fundamentally flawed from the outset.
Scholarships/ Bursaries in South Africa are offered in exchange for services rendered. This is a professional contract.
Only 1% of children leaving school will play professional sport. The other 99% need a quality education to give them a better future.
There is a strong argument to suggest sports scholarships are unconstitutional. They discriminate based on selection criteria. In other words if two children apply for the scholarship, the child who is awarded the scholarship is a better sportsmen.
Another reason your argument is so fundamentally flawed:
All you want to do is turn school boy rugby into a huge pissing contest. The richest school will eventually have the best side. Imagine if Elon Musk turned around and donated millions to Boys High to start recruiting rugby players. Not only would this be ridiculous but it would break the spirit that school sport is premised upon. School sport is being tainted by your exact thinking.
School sport is part of a balanced education. In South Africa there is no body to regulate the balance so schools are free to flout the rules and offer monetary rewards in exchange for services rendered.
Ask @beet how long I have been beating this drum. Long before PBHS was losing fixtures to traditional rivals, I was cautioning of ever increasing professionalism in school boy rugby.
The fact that you call PBHS a nerd school is no insult. It is a compliment.
@Grasshopper: the Trust / School provide for +- 80 across the school – old boys may fund more but that’s all the school and KEET provide for. Do the maths Hopper – it’s a substantial amount of money (R6,000,000 pa plus) and I think your assertions above re: Westville, Glenwood etc are incorrect. If you understand how close to the wind these schools sail financially you may revise your estimation on bursaries provided
@The Beast: Well Gov schools you can’t really ‘put your name’ down, it’s a lottery or queue with them. Time will tell…
@Grasshopper: Sounds like your son will be taking you on at chess then if he goes to one of those.
@Grasshopper: He did score but did not run straight. If he ran straight Monnas would have tackled him.
@Speartackle: Gewonder wat van jou geword het en of jy nog steeds die Comrades hol…
@odie15: Even then it’s not guaranteed, look at Shaun Adendorff, almost won player of the tourno in our Under20 home win, now plying his trade at some club. Just sad to see talent like him drift into the nothingness, just because he is considered ‘too small’ for flank.
@Speartackle: Monnas hit us like a freight train, far better prepared. What worried me is how much warming up the Glenwood boys did, like a full on 30 min session before the game. Really, a few push ups, some stretching and a couple of lineouts is all you need. The Glenwood okes looked finished before they even ran on. I was also concerned for the Monnas players, that tunnel was about 3km long and the props just wanted to get out of it asap…
@theblackandwhite: in every school reality is maybe 1 of 15 will be able to play professional. But that is made even smaller once they done with u20.
@Calamari: Ja dit is vir my ook bietjie shaky…….baie beter as die Garsies vleuels……..my opinie.
Ek sien darem Waterkloof se vleuel van 2011 of 2012, Christiaan de Bruyn, speel nou flank vir die Sharks……….hoop jy verstaan wat ek bedoel……..miskien moet mens flank toe skuif
@Speartackle: Hoekom is Christian Strydom – die vuurwarm vleuel van Affies nie in die Bulle CW span nie…iemand het hier erens bietjie ‘misgevat’….
@Grasshopper: Ja ou Grassy…..I wonder if any of these palookas giving you gas could have beaten Monnas on Saturday. You definitely missed Palvie and JJ big time.
@Speartackle: Nie net die Cake Beker Kampioene
Wow……het Monnas die wereldkampioene gewen?
@BrotherBear: I did qualify, i.e. leading institutions
@The Beast: Who you referring to re junior sides?
Nope, he is down at St Peters, St Stithians and Pridwin in JHB, but unlikely to attend any of those if we head overseas again
@Grasshopper: Yeah but they won’t be winning for long judging by their Junior sides.
There is no way you cannot have your kid on the waiting list at Glenwood.
@BiasedDHSDad: These are some excellent points I fully agree with you, very few individuals will ever get the opportunity to join the pro ranks.
You seem analytical – I don’t know all the stats but judging by what some of the other old boys have written and assuming they are accurate this is what I can conclude about Jeppe.
1) 1,000 Boys
2) TJ Fund offers 50 bursaries (according to their website)
3) Lets assume with all the other old boys bursaries we can double that.
4) so a 100 bursaries (10% of the student body, this sounds about right
considering what I read in one of the old boys newsletters)
5) I have read the bio’s of the boys in the TJ fund and actually very few of
them are there for sporting ability
6) So I am assuming that there are about 1 third of those bursaries for
but lets be safe and say half of those are for sports (50 pure sporting bursaries.
7) That means 10 sports bursaries per grade
8) Also means only 5% of the school are there for sports
9) That means hopefully 95% of the student body will be entering the work force – a lot higher than your target.
My point here is that I really don’t understand what Tang is going on about – he is focusing on 5% of the student body and having a frothy.
@Ploegskaar: I agree with your thoughts, but sadly very few bursaries are provided with such (no) conditions. It seems the investor (school) requires some form of “performance”.
@The Beast: Nope…
@Grasshopper: Are you on the school governing board?
@The Beast: My boy just turned 1, so I have not even thought about high school for him yet. You might have heard DHS turned 150 this year and have beaten some good sides in the process.
@Roger: Sorry, I do not believe KES only give out 16 scholarships and bursaries a year, no chance. Glenwood give out around 50 per grade 8 year of about 250 intake, so 25%. Not all 100%, actually mostly partial. Westville give out around 80 per year with a 275 intake, so around 30%. Again not all 100%, they do recruit two swimming teams though per year. They like to ensure their B team is stronger than most A teams. You guys have 320 boarders, gosh you should be smashing sides.
@Hooit: He must have at some point to score the try…
@BiasedDHSDad: I thought they closed DHS down? Did not know until last Saturday that you guys were still involved.
You should have at least sent your kids to Glenhout seeing you decided against College.
@Tang: Bursaries are offered as recognition of talent (before the fact), not as reward for representation (after the fact). Also no strings attached, if you perform, the school benefits and the player gets further recognition, maybe higher honours and a great education. If the player does not reach potential/loses form/breaks a leg/whatever, he had a great education and matriculated at a leading institution. That has always been my motto. Maybe you should also have a chat to these kids that have been beneficiaries of a bursaries, even better chat to the parents, changing peoples lives for the better and giving better opportunities is not a sin
@knowthegame: Just an FYI, all 6 of the SANIX games played from 28/04 to 05/05, pretty crazy schedule.
No Team Venue w/l Points For Points Against
1 Michaelhouse DHS W 25 5
2 EG Jansen KERF W 14 13
3 HTS Middelburg KERF W 17 6
4 Dale College KERF W 32 5
5 Framesby Home W 65 9
6 Michaelhouse Home W 56 5
7 Kearsney Home W 21 7
8 Osaka Toin SANIX W 14 0
9 Toin Gauken (Japan) SANIX W 52 3
10 Queen Victoria School (Fiji) SANIX W 14 10
11 Keio High School (Japan) SANIX Quart W 61 7
12 Rotorua (NZ) SANIX Semi W 29 12
13 Higashi Fukuoka (Japan) SANIX Final W 45 6
14 DHS Away W 24 23
15 Monument Away L 15 40
484 151
@Ringo: 80 scholarships throughout the school – not per year. 7.5% of the total pupils. And 230 pupils per grade – 1150 boy in total. Not 300 in grade 8.
320 boarders
No ways does KES have the budget to provide 80 scholarships per year – 400 across a pupil base of 1150 – school would be bankrupt within a year
@The Beast: I am sorry, but I am going to get up on my soapbox and dispute your last argument on two accounts …
1) “no sport after school is amateur anymore”: That is complete rubbish. Loads of sport is 100% amateur and most people who play sport after school will play amateur sport, whether is is road running (20 000 Comrades entrants), mountain biking, lunch time touch rugby or playing social hockey, rugby, cricket tennis squash. Yes, big, TV sport is pro, but that is a miniscule cross section of sport.
2) “sport is now a career for many after school” I think you should look at the numbers. How many people make a living from playing pro sport … I did the exercise recently of looking at how many new rugby players move into Super Rugby & premier Currie Cup squads each year (and that is pretty much the level you need to be to make a successful career from rugby) — the year I did the experiment it was about 36 new players (remember, if a squad of 45 players have an average of a 10-year career, there are only four to five new players coming in each year) !!! In other words, the equivalent of a SA Schools touring squad each year — you gamble on your son being a pro rugby player? You better hope he makes SA schools!!!!. Cricket, golf (debateable) and soccer are probably about the same, with less for other minor sports.
How many people come out of school and end up going into the business world in some form or other? 50%, 70% more? I don’t know, but I will guarantee it is more than sport, which make the money spent on sport at school a bit lopsided when it comes to preparing kids for life after school.
I respect anybody’s right to bring up their kids as they want, but my view is that anybody who makes a decision on what school to send their child only based on sport is maybe not being a good parent — chose the school that will prepare you child for life as an adult.
Obviously some will make it as pro sportsmen, but how many of your classmates were pro sportsmen (or top level if you were before the real pro era) — I went to M College in its golden years and not one in my year, but there were three or four within three years each side of me. Three or four in six years … still not good odds!
@Grasshopper: It was a dream. He did not run STRAIGHT.
@Grasshopper: Hopper you also dreamt than Glenhout won………..give it up man, your team took heat. They are second rate……….
@knowthegame: I watched Holtzhausen run straight through the Monnas side, or was that a dream?
Maybe you and St Albans can have a Pretoria Nerd League going as they drew against Muir.
Mind you they probably way too Professional as well, for your liking.
Cannot believe you lost to Graeme College at the Saints Festival either to be honest.
This is Graeme:
Graeme College, founded in 1873, caters for just over 650 boys from Grade 00 to Grade 12.
This is PBHS:
The Mission of the School is to pursue and maintain excellence in all spheres of school life – academic, athletic and cultural – within the South African community. Plus you have 1600 boys.
I am very sure Graeme College in Grahamstown do not pass out thousands of bursaries?
You have taken heat this year, maybe move over to soccer, oh but wait soccer is also pro after school.
@Tang: you will probably find a lack of support because most schools represented on this forum probably do or have at some point offered bursaries for sporting excellence.
That Boys High team that pummeled Jeppe at age group level only to sneak in at 1st XV level in 2013 is a simple explanation. The majority of the Jeppe 1st XV team in 2013 were in Grade 11 and hence would have not played your Boys High team at age group level.
I think that you need to understand that a lot of your gripes are a by product of professionalism, sporting bursaries and professional coaching at school level comes with that. “Don’t hate the player, hate the Game”
By the way, there is a rumour that Ricardo Loubscher is involved in the coaching structures at Boys High – would be interested to know what subject he teaches.
Anyways, I do think that you should take a lot of this up with Boys High – maybe a fixture list where you don’t have to play schools that offer sporting bursaries is an option for you. I do suspect that if you go that route, you will struggle to put together a fixture list.
Maybe there are some other solutions that your brains trust can table – but to ask schools to play to Boys High rules is not a solution. You are starting to sound like the kid in the play ground that took his ball and went home when he started losing.
@Tang: When Dale and Craig established the Theo Jackson Scholarship Fund in 2005, it was with the idea of extending the opportunities they had enjoyed throughout their life. Their altruistic gesture has mushroomed into a significant concern with a robust structure which, although carefully managed, remains a vital support for the boys it aims to help.
It takes a great investment in time and effort to unearth the hidden beauty of a rough diamond, transforming it into a precious gem.
In the same way, the Theo Jackson Scholarship Fund aims to uncover the talents of boys who, if not given such an opportunity, may well never get a chance to shine. The Fund specifically targets disadvantaged boys who are either orphaned, or come from single parent families.
Most importantly, however, the boy must display a unique character and resolve; the type of determination and perseverance which refuses to be contained by difficult circumstances. The Theo Jackson Scholarship Fund helps to hone and harness this drive by providing scholarships at Johannesburg’s oldest government school, Jeppe High School for Boys. ” Copied directly from the foundations webiste”
I have a close a family member who works at the foundation and can tell you difintively that the foundation does not place sporting abilities as the main criterion for selection to receive funding. The main drive of the initiative is to provide opportunities to boys that if not for their personal circumstances would have opportunities that going to a school like Jeppe can provide you. These are given to many boys not just rugby stars as you would like to believe. There are many other school children that would relish the opportunitiy to go to a school like Jeppe. Even though you may feel the sun rises and sets over the campus of PTA Boys High there are other intitutions that can provide opportunities to Kids other than Jeppe and Boys High. But not many people who can afford the fees at these schools at well in excess of R 25 k per annumn.
Kes offer in excess of 80 official scholarships a year with their annual gr 8 intake approximately 300 or more students in the school on partial or full scholarships and have done so consitently since at least the early 2000s. Historically Kes had seemed to always edge Jeppe slighty on the sporting field but through the additions to name a few Matt Arnold, Scara Ntubeni, Wandile Njekevu, and many more at least 40% of their 1st XV staring lineups in the past 11 years by my uninformed estimates….the gap becoming unimaginable between the two schools to the extent that they were beating Jeppe consitantly by in excess of 30 points and in 2009 they won 67 – 10 embarrassingly on TV. Kes’s achievements on the sporting field are well renouned and envied by many and they have never been valianified by Boys High supporters as much if not at all on this blog. Kes has continously injected Dale, Selborne, Jeppe, SACS and More recently Parktown boys into the rugby teams for instance in their current team they have the Mpeku twins”Parktown” and Monakoli. You did not see us cry foul of their ways we merely shrugged it off and carried on our merry way.
While our traditional peers seemed to be thriving and infact expanding the fascilities that they were able to offer students such as Gymniasm and state of the art learning aids. Jeppe was facing near financial ruin and by the end of 2009 school year it was found that school fees collections was down to nearly 40% of all learners in the school and the school was not able to attract and infact retain top educators. If I am not mistaken Pta Boys High collects approximately 95% of its school fees and has done so consitently over the last century if not longer.
Dale who was headboy in 1990 I think and his brother deputy head boy or infact I think he was headboy in 1992 saw their foundation which was paying the fees of 7 maybe 10 students at that stage. Volunteered their time and expertise as skillful and successful business people and through the aide of many people who are unnamed but whos contributions are immense as well they understood that in order for Jeppe to be school that you would want to send your kids it finnaces would have to be managed more effectively and efficiently devicing a multi-facaded turnaround strategy.
This meant indentify the cause of the decline of school fees collections and identifying potential sources to plug to gaps. Then getting old boys involved and identified avenues that they can use to change the school and the committee that is serves.
I can tell you for a fact that Maritzburg College and Grey College to name a few schools that I prsumme you would consider to be on the Pta Boys High have charitable foundations that help the schools keep and maintain their high standard and plenty of old boys from those schools pay the fees of talented sportsman and gifted academics at those schools. I have friends who will attest to the fact they attended these schools funded by these benefectors and those parcatices have been at those schools for more than 50 years if not longer.
Your anger at Jeppe is laughable and only stems from your percieved sense of supperioty. The funny thing if you have kids on academic and cricket scholarships at Pta Boys High why do you not pull of the cricket field and out the classes if all Boys High achievements should be of those who went there of their own accord.
@BrotherBear: cant agree more..GW extremely pedestrian…backs completely lack of firepower. Don’t know which sides they have played this year but a very,very average rugby side and if they are the backbone of the sharks CW i fore see a lot of “krokodil trane”
Has anyone heard or seen anything from Spear since the Comrades?..Is he still in Toti or perhaps still running?
@Tang: Best you start your own internal rugby league then because your reasoning is below the ridiculous. Murder and Rape, please.
Your thinking is archaic, no sport after school is amateur anymore, sport is now a career for many after school and children who have aspirations of becoming pro-sportsmen will obviously accept bursaries at schools which allow them to showcase their talents.
It sounds like PBHS has become a nerd school in all honesty.
@Tang: It’s unfortunately not as simple as you would like to believe…Most top rugby schools all over the country have been doing it since the 60’s…It is not something new. Good recruiting skills is needed and its not all about bursaries..most of them don’t have bursaries at all. Of course the results on the field is important as well else you have nothing to “sell” in the end as a recruiter. You need to attract boys to WANT to come to your school..and there in lies the skill. Perhaps PBHS have not been able to attract the rugby playing kind of boy of late, and because they have not performing well,less boys with rugby inclinations will want to apply there. Perhaps PBHS was sitting back to long on its laurels and missed the boat a bit as this type of recruiting has taken off in the last 10 years. There may be one boy on a type of scholarship in a group of 23 while the rest are all there on own steam, but recruited well, how do you justify them as being professionals?
@Tang: cannot really fault your argument, in principle. I think human nature kind of approves on something based on the good/bad ratio. If the pendulum swings to mostly good, then it is accepted. Your examples are rather extreme (murder and rape) and not really compatible with the general argument. I do applaud you w.r.t. your resolve, but some people may see it as being obstinate. I do not agree with the principle where a bursary provides some rights and obligations over a child, but that is generally how it is set up. Few parents have the negotiation skills to turn this into a positive or have it deleted/changed.
I think very few bloggers really oppose the bursary concept. When confronted with such an opportunity, I will make sure that the pro’s and con’s are clear and do my utmost to negotiate the deal in flavour of my child (short and long term view).
Reality is that you must attract a few stars or have a lot of above average players to really be successful. I cannot see your school attracting these type of players in the present environment with your stated policy/strategy.
@BrotherBear: Somebody will always see it as unfair. As n rule I do not comment on the unfairness of selection but rather on why it could be seen as fair. My son have been on the shortend of the selection process a few times and I have learned not to dwell on it. We will wait until 9 June and see what happens.
@The Beast. I am trying to understand your logic.
Are you saying that because it is a widespread practice, it is acceptable?
Murder is a widespread practice in South Africa but it remains illegal.
Rape is a widespread practice in South Africa but it is still deplorable and illegal.
You also use the spurious logic of equating numbers with rugby success. I have argued for years that a few quality players have a much bigger impact than sheer numbers. This is especially true at A team level and results will prove my claim correct.
@Matty: As I mentioned earlier Jeppe is a good case study to use. We were talking about rugby. I think the TJ Fund is a brilliant initiative and one which will play a major role in changing the lives of many youngsters. In no way do I wish to I take away from this brilliant initiative.
If you look back over history you will see that most PBHS vs Jeppe fixtures are close. It is only since 2012 (current matric boys) that this started to shift so heavily in favour of Jeppe. In 2009, Boys High had a very good bunch of u14’s. Beat Jeppe 33-0. By the time the boys played first team (2013), Boys High were lucky to get the win 24-22. Since then, the balance of power has sifted heavily in Jeppe’s favour (on the rugby field).
@odie15: You have asked and answered your question. There are many schools who value rugby results above all else. They feel they have to offer bursaries to compete. Then create a super league for these schools. I have heard the term rugby academies used to describe this. Wildeklawer shows the aspirations of these schools.
All other school boy sport should be regulated. Education is costly but offering a rugby bursary to lure quality players raises an ethical question. Are you offering the bursary in return for services? If the answer is yes, the game is no longer amateur. Unless somebody can show me otherwise, School Boy Sport is still amateur sport. You can’t claim it is right because it is widespread.
The child may get a quality education but the child has worked (offered his or her skill) in exchange for the bursary. The purpose of the bursary was not to offer the child a quality education.
If I am from a school who subscribes to school sport remaining amateur, then I don’t understand why I should have to play against a school who supports the practice of professionalism. What is the common ground in this case? When the schools compete, should the players who are offering their services sit out? Or alternatively create a league of like minded schools who want a more professional approach.
What perplexes me more more than anything is the lack of support on this topic. It would be reasonable to assume the majority of bloggers on this site fully agree with the concept of hiring school boys to deliver services.
@Hooit: keeping you guys on your toes and ready for action. See it as tough love ;-). No doubt your guys will be doing some chain-yanking during the final Lions teams selection. Let’s hope all is fair.
@BrotherBear: Just as I was starting to like you.
@Tang: We all know you entitled to work from 16. Rugby is professional these days isn’t it? I don’t understand people’s issues with players going to schools offering bursaries. Especially considering cost involved with education these days. If a were to stay at a certain school and his parents would have to pay for him. Or leave to another at someone else’s expense due to his sporting ability good for them. If you want to have better players then do the same honestly there’s nothing wrong with it. At some stage the school will be at a point where children apply to go there as they believe it’s a good choice to be seen by selectors at respective union. Do you feel same about unions scalping players for their institutes?
@Matty: Rematch is next year, the boys will be prepared.
@BrotherBear
Sure Helpies definitely up there this year, but over the past decade/ 5 years Monnas still takes the cake.
@The Beast
Lol, Glenwood is gonna push for a rematch soon
@BrotherBear: Helpies and Jeppe by far the best rugby schools in Gauteng this year.
A country mile in fact.
@Matty: sir, seems you do not follow SBR rugby closely. Monnas NOT the top dog any more. This year Helpies holding the leash and Monnas has to follow (they do try and j(h)ump us now and again, but a firm chain-yank quickly calms them down). The likes of Jeppe also coming through very strong (highest rank, but needs to test themselves against us first – hehehe).
I am starting to sound like the Monnas guys last year – hehehe
@Hooit: Wonder how many Monnas boys or girls went back in the bus with Glenwood?
@Matty: Look at my follow up comment. I see the conversation is getting a bit heated.
@Hooit I never claimed they have, or PBHS for that matter. Monnas is still the top dog in Jo’burg rugby. When you have the West Rand as your feeder there’s no need. A school that produces someone like Jacque Fourie will always have my respect. I think you guys are more than happy to leave the recruitment of the West Rand boys to your friends Glenwood
@Hooit: Yeah because any child would not attend Monument by choice, they have to be forced by parents to go there. It must be a real punishment living in Krugersdorp, the sites and sounds.
@Hooit: in the past 14 days.
@Matty: I can honestly and truthfully state that Monnas has not offered any bursaries or any kind of incentive for any high school player to attend Monnas.
@Tang
The TJ scholarship is awarded to approx. 150 boys but you choose to single out the boys playing 1st XV. Poor form. I really don’t think this discussion would be taking place if PBHS was still issuing out hidings to Jeppe,
I love how you know more about Jeppe than the old boys, staff and Dale Jackson himself. Please apply as the new headmaster when the time comes.
I recall when I was at school a talented friend of mine being invited by Boy’s High to “come and view the excellent facilities on offer” even though it was well known that he was dead set on playing 1st XV and XI once he became a senior. What do they say about people throwing stones in glass houses again?
@Hooit: Just makes no sense. Blue and yellow striped jersey’s would…
@Grasshopper: I have no idea. Think the rugby colours were there before the official school colours but not sure. Alternate strip is black.
@The Beast: Bertie boy…
@Grasshopper: Big Al………..
@The Beast: Glenhout, get it right please…
@Grasshopper: Cos they don’t know who they are yet.
@Hooit: You can help me, why the black and white kit when the uniform is blue and yellow?
@Hooit: As for Monument, it’s nice to see you guys finally winning a game. You seem like bullies of smaller schools but also take a bit of head from the real schools. Even Helpies drukked you okes properly this year.
My 2 most loved Afrikaans schools: Monument and Glenwood
Top Chess School: Pretoria Boys High
@Grasshopper: Having just looked at your pics on FB, seems like the two of us are related hey brother.
@Grasshopper: Lets just move on. Not worth the time.
@The Beast: http://memesvault.com/wp-content/uploads/Internet-Troll-Pictures-16.jpg
I find it fascinating that all of Jeppe’s success is laid squarely at the feet of the Bursary god…..
The truth as I understand it is that Jeppe took a decision to structure their coaching to increase the amount of skill coaching at /14 level and decrease the running of game plans. At /15 and /16 level the time devoted to skill coaching gradually decreases as the skill level improves.
This is a masterstroke, as kids at primary school level gets very little skills coaching but is taught to run around like little robots in rigid patterns and game plans.
Big kudos to the Jeppe brains trust.
@Grasshopper: What’s happened to that purchased XV of yours? You can’t buy passion, your boys should have lost last week as well against DHS, how you came away with a win there was only due to a ref missing a clear obstruction.
I reckon you gonna take some “head” from many more sides this year. Your little effort down in Japan means nothing, that’s the Cake League. None of those schools would make our Top 50.
You beat EG Jansen by 1 point….whoop whoop……..you beat Dale……whoo whoop….we know this, don’t put it into every single post any more please.
Tell us something we don’t know about Glenwood cos I am sure whatever you tell us, we have heard before. At least you seem to have prevailed over kids having their 21st party in the school tuckshop while in Grade 9 but it seems there is a lot more bubbling under.
Glenwood are an over rated wannabe.
@BoishaaiPa: I’m just a parent also struggling to understand how high school rugby in Mpumalanga works.
@BoishaaiPa: Boerboel = TheBeast = kak
@BoishaaiPa: Got to get to the bottom of all this whingeing once and for all.
@Hooit: I am from Beastville. We take no prisoners.
Boerboel’s older brother is my claim to fame.
@The Beast: Sommer using two spoons at once…making a big broth I see!
@The Beast: Nice ‘team’ jersey. Which school is that?
@Tang: As for PBHS, they have become a bunch of girls. Keep crying about bursaries and scholarships, well unless you have Eddie Jones as your director of rugby who can turn chess players into rugby players, wake up and smell the roses. A school of 1600 boys who take a rogering every weekend is nothing short of pathetic in my opinion.
This is 2016, not 1980 anymore.
Jees, Glenwood looked like an amateur side against those okes from Krugersdorp on Saturday. They took a royal roasting in the naught!!!!!!!!
The only game that counts is the First XV game, nobody will remember the Fourths winning.
@Orbit: Jeppe is one of the best case studies for analysis on school boy rugby.
I to agree that the fixture has been soured but my reasons are not based on emotion, they are based on the questionable morality of school boy rugby.
I will not use names in my post but I will use numbers.
No 15 came to Jeppe via Stilfontein – played CW at u13 level for Leopards. Probably on TJ scholarship. Highly talented rugby player.
No 13 played CW at u13 for Golden Lions in 2011. Exceptional talent. I rate a future Springbok. Hard to see why KES did not snap him up. Probably funded by an old boy or one of the old boy scholarships.
No 8 or No 11 – Came to Jeppe via Hoerskool President. Played for a Lions President 15 in 2013 and in the same year played for Jeppe. Similar to former no 8 who was funded by old boys.
No14 Came to Jeppe via Middelburg. Played CW rugby u16 for Pumas in 2016. This is a dubious case and starts to inidcate Jeppe are recruiting after grade 8.
Do you agree the above came to Jeppe to play rugby?
How many boys on bursaries/ scholarships make a material difference to a fixture? At what point do scholarships begin to taint the fixture and constantly tip it in favour of one side? I am asking all the Jeppe bloggers to answer this question. At what point do bursaries make the fixture no longer traditional but all about one side seeking glory? There seems to be a widespread expectation that Boys High must now follow suit and do the same thing.
Boys High do not give scholarships or bursaries based on sporting capability. Boys come to Boys High to attend a world class school.
There are boys who attend Boys High on Alan Gray funding. This is provided specifically to boys who would not be able to attend a school like Boys High if they did not receive the Alan Gray funding.
Many of these boys have had their lives transformed and many of them were in the Jeppe catchment area. The point here is simple. The boys came to Boys High for education not to glorify the school via sporting achievements.
Jeppe may have felt using sport was a marketing tool. However, in the process they have unwittingly and materially changed the nature of the fixture. The dice is now heavily loaded in the favour of Jeppe. This is not sour grapes, this is a fact. A fact that materially impacts the fixture and gives Jeppe a far greater chance of winning.
I read the ironic tweet from Jeppe straight after the fixture: “@PtaBoys is a great school with fantastic staff and boys. Results went our way, but the wheel turns. Education is more than sports results.”
If Education is more than sports results then why give so many scholarships/ bursaries to sportsmen?
@All Jeppe Bloggers. My issue is with school boy rugby in general but Jeppe are such a good case study.
In all the years that Boys High have played Jeppe there has never been a boy wearing a candies jersey who was brought in to just play rugby. That shows character, that shows belief and trust in values.
I know for a fact that Jeppe rugby want to constantly be ranked in the top 10/20. My final question to Jeppe Bloggers. What are you willing to give up to get your ranking?
You can pretend all the fixture is still the same and a highlight but deep down we all know that the dice is heavily loaded in favour of one side.
@Ringo: Can Boys High claim the moral high ground for this? My answer is yes. School boy rugby is just that.
Am I against the TJ Fund? No. I think it is a wonderful initiative and will help many young men transform their lives. If sporting capability is a pre-requisite to be awarded a TJ Scholarship, does it not straight away call into question the morality of the fund? I don’t believe the TJ fund is tainted but I do believe many Jeppe old boys will fund boys who are good sportsmen.
Attacking Jeppe is unfair and a practice I should immediately stop. Attacking the questionable morality of school boy rugby is a practice every blogger should take time to question.
I apologise if I have offended any Jeppe supporters.
All views are my own. I may have a Boys High avatar but I would prefer to blog as an independent and then not be seen to be biased or anti any specific school.
@Oakdale supporter: As die skoppers boonop hulle skopskoene saam gebring het kon die tellings anders gelyk het aan beide kante…Dink Gianni het iets soos 13 punte gemis en die Skopper van Oakdale 9 of 11 punte…Maar BH het in daai 1ste helfte ook nog 2 sekere kanse verspeel met swak besluitneming. Hulle verdediging was egter weer tops. Oakdale kon net nie aan die gang kom nie, Julle het eerste helfte gesukkel in die lynstane om julle springers te vind..dit het vir BH goeie aanvallende bal gegee. Tweede helfte het julle lynstande begin werk en julle skrums was stewig..ook baie omkeer besit gewen. Moet se dit was die grootste baklei vir bal op die grond wat ek in n lank tyd gesien het!!..Dit het net gelyk asof BH kan punte aanteken wanneer hulle dit nodig het en so die druk kan behou.
@Valkie: Would it not make more sense to use the derby of a few weeks ago as the decider?..Why play again?..
Wow Tang you really are a sore loser I am afraid. I suppose it’s never the fault of Boy’s High when they lose. You kind of remind me of our honourable president. I remember in 2006 Jeppe caught a 60+ to nil hiding from you guys. You surely must of played the Bulls U19 team that day, didn’t you?
We all know the reputation that a school like Boy’s High carries and you are clearly one of a number of passionate old boys, things will get better. Remember, a true test of a sportsman’s character comes out when he is losing, not when he is winning. I have a cousin who is a boarder at Boys High and he tells me that morale and passion for the school is at an all-time low, would you say that is a fair comment? Is rugby still the number one sport over there?
I think your comments are unfair and quite frankly insulting but I understand that when it comes to one’s school there is always a ton of emotion in play. I won’t hold you to it. I am no expert on the happenings of Boy’s High but there is clearly no direction with rugby atm. If Jeppe is a team of rag-tag mercenaries then explain why Boy’s High has suffered losses to the likes of Parktown and St Johns?
Anyway I digress, my point is maybe you should worry about what’s happening in your own back garden before pointing fingers. Boys High has the resources that every other school (Jeppe included) can only drool over, maybe it’s time to use it.
On rugby matters:
I haven’t watched KES play this season but from the looks of it seems like they are really kicking into gear. The Jeppe-KES derby set to be a cracker yet again.
Jeppe undoubtedly have a class attacking outfit, but they do seem to leak a lot of points. I wonder if enough attention is being placed on the defensive front as it is clearly a weakness of ours.
Talk of Jeppe playing Monnas and Helpies has its merits but I think it is easier said than done, the rugby calendar is chock-a-block and our traditional rivals should always be given preference imo. However, if space can be made then these two teams should be first in line. Nothing better than testing your mettle against schools like that!
And finally, Boy’s High vs Affies next month. School rugby derby or potential soutie massacre? (Lol just pulling your leg Tang)
Overall results vs Monnas, Opens and Under14 group keeping the flag flying :-)
https://www.facebook.com/glenwoodhighschool/posts/1719457431658533
@Oakdale supporter: how bad is the wings injury? I was not happy that they tried to get him right to go back on the field. Too many times they should just be made comfortable and taken off the field. He was never going to be able to carry on. Very unfortunate injury.
Geluk aan Boishaai met hul wen Saterdag. Daar is ‘n paar menere in daai span. Ek was veral beindruk met die nommer 8. Ek verstaan hy is nog maar in Graad 11. Oakdale het ongelukkig ‘n swak eerste helfde gehad en ek dink die besering van die no 14 net na sy drie het die manne ontstel. Tweede helfde was meer gelyk toe ons verdediging verbeter het. Voorspoed verder en ek glo julle sal verstaan as ek Saterdag vir Boland skree.
Terloops, Saterdag se verloor pla my en ek glo die hele skool minder as die 2 manne wat beseer is en heelwaarskynlik CW gaan mis.
@BoishaaiPa: They had to play each other again to decide who would play against Nelspruit for the Mpumalanga winners for Macro schools.
The problem is that we are only three Macro schools left in Mpumalanga.
The final will be played to middle / end of July and only then do we enter the Beeld competition. So for the ‘B’ sides, 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams the season ended on Saturday.
@Greenman: this is Quinton Vorsters first year at loose head, do you think he should go back to hooker? He looked a little light for a prop. Shouldn’t we play Cele there instead? I think we need a reshuffle for Westville. Who is the 3rd team No8? He needs to play higher. Causes absolute havoc when on the run. Also thought Connor Le Fleur had a great game. 2nd team locks must be considered for 1st.
Any Monnas supporters, I need my question answered. Why do your teams wear black & white when the uniform is navy blue & yellow?
Why did HTS Middelburg and Middelburg play against each other again?. Did they not have a big Classic Clash derby a couple of weekends ago?.
@Stier: always great the banter….yesterday Oakdale got the ” Old McDonald had a farm” hehehe…
Now for some fun…one of the reasons we love watching these boys and why we go to these school games every week come rain or shine. Last week Boishaai played Paul Roos at Markotter and the two schools had a real go at each other and I am not talking about the boys on the field.
Boishaai is leading by a try. Gianni slipped and his penaulty kick went under the crossbars. Then it started. PRG boys singing to Boishaai boys : first team soccer!
Boishaai reply : check the scoreboard!
PRG reply : where’s your old boy’s?
Boishaai reply : where’s your first team?
PRG reply while pointing to the onfield action : open your eye’s!
Boishaai reply : where’s your tries?
PRG reply : where’s your hokey?
Boishaai reply : where’s your rugby?
And so it carried on but when the final whistle went the boys from both schools got up faced each other and gave their opponents a big hand. The respect these schools have for each other is very clear and awesome to watch.
@Grasshopper: Wow Hopper not necessary man , that is beneath a gentleman like you buddy ! Language!
@star: haha he is a bit sore today…. hit the gym at 8 so take it as a good sore
why did we have to wait 8 weeks for a game like this mmmmm maybe oldboys? Have look at this….. https://youtu.be/x4LNbWIgR14 . The basics done right yesterday… nothing fancy
@Grasshopper: indeed he was.
Thx for 2 good comments in 4 years highly appreciated.
@MikeSt: I remember the lock now Estiaan, great player!
@MikeSt: Absolute kak, I have always spoken well of EG Jansen. I commented numerous times about how good your blonde flyhalf was a few years back and the great lock you had. Don’t take cheap shots now just because others are saying I have sour grapes. It’s not that at all, it’s just disappointment in the teams display. I made a big effort to come watch and came early to get all the games. It built up nicely with some close losses in the A teams and then that drivel. It was a massive downer. I mean there were a good 50 to 80 Glenwood OB’s there. And on TV too. I have congratulated Monnas a few times, they won playing better rugby finish and klaar.
@Grasshopper: your comments over and over about a 1 point win over EGJ is now getting a boring story. Pity for the past few years you hardly would comment anything good abt EGJ.
Try and not be one eyed and recognize othet achievements of other teams as well. And oh yes be gracious in defeat rather than all nonsense you write on this subject of losing to Monnas.
What a nice day of rugby at Waterkloof. Well presented and no incidents. Congrats to Klofies and all the players.
I watched the 4th and 5th teams and boy, they play as hard as their mates in the higher teams. But once the 5th team overpowered Klofies, they started to play touchies. It was real fun to watch.
As for the 1st team, even Kloof will agree that the score could have been 80 had it not been for a number of simple handling and kicking mistakes with open trylines.
But that is not the point. Garsies found their mojo again and it was just a pity that their neighbours had to be the victims of the resurrection. Another contributing factor was a good referee – opposed to the one of last week.
@HE: Baie dankie! Ek verstaan Brackenfell se losskakel was ook beseer. Dit is maar ‘n proses om genoeg diepte te bou en alhoewel Brackenfell se O/16’s redelike diepte het, is daar slegs EEN O/15-span. Dit gaan beslis ‘n groot probleem wees (dis eintlik reeds) wanneer hulle in graad 11 en 12 kom.
@odie15: Grey het ook lekker gesukkel op Brug straat. Al die spanne lyk goed. Volgende jaar kom daar iets soos 16 WP onder dertiens Boishaai toe. So die diepte behoort were daar te wees.
Maar wat my beindruk is die tipe spel…. Die seuns speel mooi rugby, nee wat Nuweland sien my nie gou weer nie.
@Stier: No one has ever claimed that Glenwood is the best, if you read my comments I have said Top10 this year is possible. Not once have I said they are the best, at the moment the top 5 below to Boishaai, Grey Bloem, Affies, Paarl Gim and Oakdale. Monnas is knocking on that Top5 door for me after watching them yesterday.
Nobody is saying Glenwood don’t belong with the rest but they are far from being the top rugby team never mind school. Sanix gives people a false sense of how good teams are. Most people questioned Glenwood’s ranking this year because no Sanix tournament will be as hard as some schools fixture lists. Even the kiwi’s don’t rate sanix or at least not the conversations I have had and followed on other rugby sites.
Hey but it is easy Glenwood finish first on the log and I will apologise for saying sanix is a joke.
But to have a go at Monnas because Glenwood lost? Just looks like sour grape’s.
Thanks Vleis and Star :-). Gosh, Westville next week. Eish they on the up after 2 wins and will want to down their closest rivals, geographically that is. It doesn’t get any easier. Kevin Smit can’t play due to the Headmasters agreement so we looking a little thin. Those 2nd team guys will need to stand up next week. Good luck boys!
@Vleis: Sanity prevails! Thank you. Thanks star
@h2o: I lost count of your boys tackles and physicality in the tight exchanges. He was totally committed and as an OB I am highly appreciative of that and the end result.
With regards to GWs achievements at SANIX we are as a KZN nation totally respectful of the top honors achieved. We just hope that the push back from the loss to Monnas will be not too harsh next week
I think it’s very disrespectful to disparage Glenwood’s efforts at Sanix. The number of top quality teams is limited, but there are certainly a few very good ones, plus the teams have to play six games in about 8 or 9 days.
Just a correction, HJS sent their 2nd/3rd team in 2011, but lost to Truro in the s/f, which was a great result considering the 1st team was not there. However, HJS sent their 1st team (not u17) in 2014 and lost in the final to Hamilton Boys of NZ.
If I was a GW 1st team player, I’d look back on the Sanix victory as the highlight of the year, regardless of what else happens. They did SA proud.
@Stier: by the way Boishaai won every match yesterday vs Oakdale. They don’t like “The Brug”
@robbie: SANIX is an awesome experience for the boys. Unfortunately the focus is taken away from SA season would be nice if it took place end Sept. Last year Paul Roos arrived home after long travel and smashed head first into HIM who was focused…
@Grasshopper: ek hoef nie te kan spel nie, julle is n gewen deur n beter span, DHS het julle amper gewen dus hoor ons net van die great glenwood span, niemand het dit al gesien nie. Vat die verloor op die ken en shut up.
@Quagga: Boet, if you want to feel gees come down to Grahamstown on the 18th for K-Day
@Losbal: both those big games are in the 3rd term so maybe time for some recovery for those injured. We going to have to be at full strength to have a chance. I think many of the 2nd and 3rd team boys put their hands up yesterday and there will be some nervous 1st team players. Agreed, SANIX is random schools but the Japanese have certainly upped their game, look at the results this year. Rotorua are certainly always in the Top 10 in NZ, the Aussie side too in Aus, but they were pumped. Truro is Top 20 in the UK and that Fijian side was immense, but lacked the overall 15 man game methinks, like their senior team. A French team was missing this year which would have made the tourno harder. I think still a good achievement to win it. Glenwood are probably not Top 5 this year but certainly are capable of a Top 10 finish. Any side that beats a very good Dale team 32-5, beats EG Jansen, HTS Middelburg & Kearsney….even if it was early season isn’t bad. What it is, is that supporters from traditional rugby schools don’t like the idea of Glenwood being in their league. They think they are an upstart school buying success. That is complete rubbish, Glenwood have been playing rugby since 1912 and have had some really good rugby sides over the years. Funny I got some great pics from my uncle today of the 1st Craven week Natal side etc, I’m hoping Beet will post them later this week. Natal beat WP back then 12-9 with 8 Glenwood boys in the side and my uncle scored a try vs WP then. This whole KZN has always been crap is a fallacy. Memories don’t seem to go too far back with most bloggers or they just don’t go back at all…
Regarding SANIX and a school’s subsequent performances. Does anybody know the result of the SANIX reps first home match after returning from Japan. Say the last 10 years. What is the win/lose ratio ?
guess we’ll have to wait for the Glenwood/Affies and GreyCB results before we can judge the real strength of Glenwood 2016
re Sanix. It’s is just an international tournament of mostly random schools representing their countries.Not a world cup. Big difference. 2015 Sanix experience and local results illustrates my point.
@Gimoldboy: as far as I know Boishaai “deks die tafel” this year!
@pietretief: learn to spell dude! I know that it won’t be their last loss, I don’t mind losing it was the manner of the loss that is frustrating. The team didn’t get out of 2nd gear! The game plan, if any, was wrong too.
Very few schools go through a season without a loss… certainly not a disgrace….I feel the gp/fs superiority over kzn schools have a direct link with us not having a active athletic season…. we have a freak of nature in JJ but upcountry every lock and tall forward has similar speed and ability….. we come from a treading water season into rugby and gp schools come from athletics ….. a huge advantage we never really catch up with… every seasonwe miss out we fall further behind…. we will always battle vs true athletes
@pietretief: we certainly know that, Glenwood Old Warren Whiteley has to prove himself every week because he is smaller than Vermeulen…
@Grasshopper: Size is not everything, if you do not have the hart it will not make a difference. This was Glenwoods first lost will not be there last. Get over it and stop making excusses, DUDE
@Grasshopper: but they were not there! What you on about! The season is still on and next year is next year! Start afresh. Why you writing the boys off!
I am so dissapointed to learn that Sanix is for second teams! Dammit. Wonder if Glenwood got the message.
@pietretief: dude, I know about size having been a gym instructor 18 years ago. I stood on the scale this morning and weighed 110kg and am 193cm tall, JJ is certainly 10cm taller and 10kg heavier than me if not more. I stood next to him yesterday. The other guys are very close to what is stated in the program…
@h2o: lines outs against the throw. I am sure there was more lineouts.
@Grasshopper: if you take any weight or hight in a school rugby program. Take 4-5cm of the hight and 10kg of there weight. They all lie about there weight and height.
I was at the KES vs. St. Johns match. I found the gees to be out of this world and it was a great day and a sad day. Great to be witness to such a passionate display of schoolboy enthusiasm on the stands. Great to see KES improving tremendously as the season continues. Great to see the talented and special player Kennedy slice through the defenders like a warm knife through butter. Great to hear the boading housemaster Gordon openly reprimanding cheerleaders for chanting ‘we want 50’ and to see their immediate and respectful actions following it. Great to see St. Johns never backing down up until the end. Great to see so many proud old boys and supporters turn up to support their teams. Sad to see the quality of rugby from St. Johns who were poor in the decision making aspects in the midfield whilst on attack. They squandered at least 3 potential tries with good overlapping structures and then deciding to break in-field. That really nailed their chances and its a coachable element and plain discipline that let them down on the day. KES was good, they are improving. St.Johns kept trying but were actually very poor in attack and need to work on it. In terms of standout players the KES back 3 caught my eye. The forward battle was solid on the day but KES had the upperhand, and the standout players for me were the KES #7 and the KES tighhead Glade.
Greenman- Just a comment on SANIX. Paarl BHS went to Sanix with an u/17 team, None of the players were 1st team at that stage. A lot of them played 1st team the following year
@h2o: agreed. I have played lock and I can tell you they are really the power in the scrum, Bakkies was a good example in the Boks team. Without JJ in the scrum it battled. In fact, Marco Palvie should have played lock this year. Those 2 together could have really made a difference in the scrums. We can match Gauteng for power and size, I saw it in the age group teams. Next year KZN will have the size and power to compete with any province. Matt Pollard at Westville is one to watch for, he has it all.
@4×4: sien akw se tellings… garsies se spanne word 1ste genoem… ons het dus die o15s verloor na die hooter…
@h2o: sorry @Hooit was meant for Grasshopper and Greenman
@4×4: /14 29-3, /15 20-22, /16 24-10. Garsies telling eerste. 2 en 3 wen ook.
@Orbit: Great thread. Jeppe have so much to be proud of this year. KES will come for you but you should measure yourself to Helpmekaar and Monnas this year as well to see if your team is as good as people think it is. Forget about Affies, they are a class above most. Forget about BV at Emirates Park, that was your bad day at the office. Play powerhouse Monnas or up-and-comers Helpmekaar. I know the Helpies are eager to play Jeppe, and I also know KES is counting down the sleeps…..good luck for the rest of the season.
@Hooit: just a correction there were mote than 2 lineouts in the match. I can recall 2 overthrows from GW and 1 from Monnas. I think you lost yhe game in 2 departments…. 1st your scrums were dominated every time and this gave your backline slow or backfoot ball…. secondly your midfield tried to run over everything in their way…. when Botha (10) stepped in it worked… we KZN cannot match GP size and physicality and the scary thing is GW has the bulk of CW & AW….. hardluck on the loss….
@Hooit: how do you what the quality of the teams at SANIX were? Glenwood played a Fiji side bigger than Monnas and won….just an FYI…
@BuffelsCM: Het die game gekyk en Brackenfell het vedien om te wen. Stellenberg het sonder ‘n paar van sy staatmakers, onder andere hul normale kaptein gespeel en het redelik planloos gelyk. Ek dink Stellenberg het die prys betaal vir hul uiters moeilike skedule gedurende Mei. Brackenfell het ‘n baie goeie agterlyn en Stellenberg het hul aanhoudend van balbesit voorsien deur doelloose skoppe. As Brackenfell meer diepte in sy ander spanne kan bewerkstellig gaan hy ook baie groter krag in die noordelike voorstede word. Stellenberg se span is egter nog baie jonk en ek dink die lesse wat hul hierdie jaar leer gaan van hulle ‘n uiters gedugte span volgende jaar maak. Brackenfell verdien die nie-amptelike titel van B liga kampioene.
@Greenman: I dont think Sanix is a joke but Wildeklawer this year was harder and better rugby than Sanix. I still think there is a few teams in SA who could have won the Sanix title this year. Same as with the Tuks series this year any 1 of 4 different teams could have won it but it worked out for Monnas. Rotarua was the only true contest at Sanix and the lack of highly competitive games this year is currently counting against Glenwood. Sanix is an extremely huge experience and achievement for any player or team. Monnas competed at Sanix about 6 years ago and if memory serves me correct they send a 2nd team as the school felt it was more important for the 1st team to play at Wildeklawer. Maybe thats why they have not been invited again.
@BuffelsCM:
Ja nie seker dat die soort games enigsins help met enige span se voorbereiding/oefening nie.
Dis tog sekerlik hoekom daar ‘n A en B liga is, sodat soortgelyke spanne teen mekaar kan speel
@Stier: Sanix a joke? What a statement? Has your team been there. Monnas tried 2006 and did not make it. Paarl Boishaai tried 2014 and did not make it. A joke! Of the 14 tournos to date NZ team has won 9 and SA teams 4. A Joke? Tell you what! If Sanix is the only thing this team achieved this year, I am happy! They give their best every weekend! No doom prophets needed. The end.
@Tang: Both 13 and 11(8) arrived at Jeppe as very raw rugby talents. In fact I read an arcticle on Similane stating he had only played a year on rugby, and in his own words was not very good. He was an exceptionally talented soccer player and sprinter. Jeppe has had some part in up skilling him and giving him a chance to play SA School for a second year running.
He will go to university I believe and he is adamant on that!
As for Dayimani*8-yesterdays 11) He is the school deputy head boy, He is head boy of the biggest hostel and he plays athletics and basketball (his own choice). He loves his school and to say he a mercenary is laughable.
Can you please have a go at KES? PArktown? They both have more aggressive recruitment policies. You don’t seem to like the fact that Jeppe has run a decent rugby program since about 2010.
Like Ringo asked. Please explain the u14 result? Jeppe have very little talent and have been coached up over the season to beat a team of yours that started the year looking great and gradually going backwards in comparison.
I think you are delusional and a sore loser and a fixture I have always loved is becoming tainted because of you
. I think the Jeppe structure where people have sacrificed so much timed energy to turn things around. That structure has helped harness people like similane. I am also against bringing guys in later and I know Jeppe has done this from time to time. But a young man arriving in Grade 8 and being developed is a joy and they become loyal Jeppe men.
When Jeppe won 59-13 at home similane and Dayimani played a small role that day. Green(Didn’t play yesterday) ran circles around Boys High as did the Center Burke (12) and the wing Moesholedi. Not to mention the performance of the forward pack. This sir is not a one man team.
@Stier: Boet our 2nd team and other open sides won quite easily so the depth is there. Maybe the 1st team have got big headed from the SANIX win. Complacency caused our downfall. We should have kept the ball away from the forwards and run them ragged. Our backs man for man were way quicker. Anyway, you only learn from mistakes. They will be back! We not playing to our strengths.
@Grasshopper: is Glenwood a Afrikaans school? There are almost more Afrikaans surnames in that Glenwood first team line up than in the Affies team? We will see what happens going forward, Affies and Grey will show us where this Glenwood team is at and if Monnas was just a bad day. Personally I think Glenwood is going to struggle against those teams.
Glenwood don’t have the fixture list that any of the other top teams face. If you then want to stop playing teams in Gauteng then it will make it even harder to predict the strength of the Glenwood team. Take Michellehouse last year, I think they won all their games but where did it leave them on the log? Would they have won the likes of Grey, Affies, Boishaai, Gim, Monnas, Paul Roos and so on….yes they might have won one or two but then? Look at Stellenberg, I saw them against Boishaai and I think they have a very good team but look what happens now that they played top opponent’s every week. Then consider Boishaai, they play Bishops, Rondebosch, Nelspruit, Helpmekaar, Wynberg, Waterkloof, Outeniqua, Stellenberg, Affies, Grey, Paul Roos, Oakdale, then Boland Landbou, Sacs, Paarl Gim……
Point is Glenwood must play as many top schools as they can if they want to claim to be one of the top rugby schools in RSA. Unfortunately for them most of the top schools are outside KZN.
Then, if they lose so be it, all teams will have injuries or a off day but you stil have to win or make a fight of it if you want to be the best. These teams fight to be the best school in the country, not to have the best player, it takes the whole school to built a rugby tradition not a player. Grey , Affies , Gim, Paul Roos, Boishaai and others are consistently up there and you will never expect a walk over against them, if it does happen it is shock more than a expectation even when they are considered to have a “weaker” team or year.
Stop the excuses you sound like a bulls supporter or is that just the way all South African rugby supporters are? Yes maybe we are all just the same and we just tell ourselves that we are different to those nose ring wearing Afrikaans surname wearing bulls supporters, monnas players and supporters, so on and so on….. Get off the high horse mate we all have our hooligans in our schools the things we love and admire and the dark stuff we don’t like to talk about. Glenwood won sanix but we all know sanix is a joke.
@Rugbyman: Kan jy asb ook vir ons die ander spanne se tellings deurgee!
@Grasshopper: @VanniLaeveld: @Hooit: Congratulations! well played and well done. I must say that it was one of the beetr interschools I have been to. Monnas parents were great and a pleasure to be with. The more I got de moer in the more they simpatised. most of them agreed that the game was much harder than what the score board showed. Two soft tries in the end. I am not one for excuses and there is none! On the day, you were the better side. However, I take exception to the crap comments by Vanni Laeveld en same with you.
Firstly, Sanix is not a walk over and I think Monnas has been there. If New Zealand top school is crap by your reckoning then there is no more to say. I watched the game between Rotorua High school (NZ) and Glenwood on youtube and absolutely proper old school rugby. It seems to me the boys were on another planet then compare to what is currently on offer. The current two Locks Weideman and Laubscher( (98kg) (his name and weight and also GK -Grasshopper(watch the space turned 16 in November last year) were the start locks for quarter, semi and final there and JJ and Bauer were brought in as impact players. Worked like a charm. Something is very wrong now. I am not sure if it is the gameplan/strategy or just ignorance from players to follow that game plan/strategy. It is unthinkable that Rudi Dames would suggest taking on the Monnas forwards. Unfortunately that happened by short passes to the loosies. Its like walking into a brick wall. Why? if your strength is fast backs. Slow ball can also be blamed. I think the lineout score was 1-1 so that was not the problem. Again, JJ(we missed him) and Palvie has a presence, no doubt about that, but it cannot be the alpha and omega. We must have a team and this is the team. Whats wrong is a mystery to me.
My boy is there in Boarding school not because I don’t have money but because I believe that it is one of the most respected schools in the country. The money spent on traveling, accommodation, flight tickets etc is way more than boarding and school fees.
GW flew in Saturday morning at 6 and landed 7. Boys had to get up at 04H30. Not sure why! Why not Friday and get a practice session in.
Still my boys! Go Green!
@Kattes-Strofes: Amen… Boishaai het ‘n yster span. Hulle scramble defence is ongelooflik, om nie eers te praat van die spoed, krag, hande en stepping van hierdie seuns nie. Ek was bietjie versigtig vir Oakdale maar Boishaai het hulle daai eerste helfte laat lyk of hulle nie daar hoort nie en dit nog teen die wind, vier driee teen een? Die off loads, stepping en hande was ongelooflik. As Gianni sy skopskoene die dag rugby toe gaan bring gaan daar moeilikheid wees. Dalk moet Visser skop as Gianni sukkel? Gianni sal wel nou sy kennis van stepping met Cheslin Kolbe moet gaan deel? Dink net hoe sal Kolbe dan kan step…. En daai wind, eerste helfte sit Oakdale met die wind van agter en tien minute in die tweede helfte toe maak hy ‘n 180 en waai wragtig weer van agter vir Oakdale. Ek worry net oor Augustus dinge is te stil daai kant, hier kom oorlog.
@Zion: Ploegie sal seker hieroor kommentaar lewer maar ek kan nie verstaan dat die WP ooit so ‘n wedstryd kon skeduleer nie. Daar is heelwat Premier B-spanne wat beter teenstand kon bied op die dag….nie dat enige noodwendig sou wen nie. Ek verstaan dat die WP van skole verwag om teen spanne in liga’s bo hulle en ook onder hulle te speel. In beginsel is dit heel edel om so die spanne in die laer liga’s die geleentheid te gee om te sien waar hulle lê ens. Hierdie uitslag wys egter dat die WP geen oordeel gehad het om so ‘n wedstryd te skeduleer nie. Dit is ‘n absolute vernedering en ek glo ook Boland sou sterker teenstand op die dag wou hê. Hoe kan dit jou help as jy moet voorberei vir Boishaai die volgende week ??
Die Brackenfell wen oor Stellenberg is ‘n goeie een…ek weet dit was naby maar ‘n wen bly ‘n wen. Ek sal nogal graag kommentaar wil hoor van iemand wat dit bygewoon het
@Kattes-Strofes: Lippe aflek is ver van die waarheid, vat dit van iemand wat vetroud is met die spelers, afrigters en bestuur, vir ons is dit net nog ‘n taai wedstryd in die WP liga en die soveelste wedstryd oor die jare teen ‘n sterk en gerespekteerde Paarl buurman. Boishaai se onlangse sukses en puik rekord is toevallig, meer relevant vir Boishaai as Boland, ons is op ons eie missie met ons eie visie en doelwitte. Geniet die dag en Boland se bekende gasvryheid en bring maar ‘n warm baadjie, dit gaan koel wees
@sewes: Julle telbord was ongelukkig verkeerd… was 50 – 10 volgens die amptelike uitslag by die tegniese tafel! Was n great dag se rugby en baie goed aangebied deur ons bure! Goeie rugby gespeel by al die a-span games wat ek gekyk het!
@Rugbyman:Wie het daai telling deur gegee seker die vlag man wie se vlag weg gevat is?Was48-10 maar geluk die dag het in goeie gees geskiet ek het min insedente gesien in een wedstryd waar garsies ver voor was het die manne onder mekaar begin raakrugby speel.Verstaan jou gevoel oor die maroon skool so ruk terug.
Nou hoekom het Boland teen DF gespeel, 111-5, dit kan mos vir geen kind lekker wees om in so wedstryd te speel nie?
@Gimoldboy: yesja it will be. I am not saying what result will be as you know it’s on the day. But loss then makes year incomplete.
@VanniLaeveld: I no close ties to the school so don’t know what their policies are, I am just a passionate supporter who has seen this side play far better before, it was just frustrating yesterday. That isn’t the real green machine! Luckily there are 4 more games to make amends. Go green!
Mr.Hopper, I am not a Monnas supporter, far from it. Just greatfull to them for putting you in your place yesterday.
I have plenty of respect for the old, traditional Glenwood. Played some memorable matches against them in the 80’s. The one that existed before they started sending recruiters up north with promises of better coaching, bigger chances of playing Cravenweek, improved oppurtunities after school etc.
No sir, the arrogance lies not on this side. It is on the side of those who think money can buy class. And with that I have had my say. Till another day!
@Grasshopper: cmon Hopper – you lost fair and square (in fact – after watching on TV – you were never in the game) stop talking about injuries, conditioning and travel – it sounds like sour grapes. Just congratulate the Wit Bulle and move along to next week.
Grassfixation – are you wearing your g/w blazer while quoting all thes weight stats. I see the gw headmasters was also outweighed the monas headmaster
@odie15: Die tafel is gedek vir Gim on ‘n staaltjie te skep wat die Paarl nooit sal vergeet nie! (Teen ‘n HJS span wat ook lank onthou gaan word) Augustus gaan groooot wees!
@VanniLaeveld: Yet another arrogant pillock on this blog. Completely miss my compliments to Monnas, they won fair and square, the scoreboard shows that and will do in years to come. Well done. My point is we were primed for the taking and Monnas took that chance. You guys have lots of work to do in your hockey and tennis, like Glenwood will continue to work on their rugga. Scores in Krugersdorp are getting closer. None of the A teams were humiliated so lets see what happens in Durbs next year. We beat Dale thoroughly too and they are beating the best of the Eastern Cape. Your total disregard for a traditional school like Glenwood is laughable. We are not upstarts, have some respect…
@boerboel: It’s not fabricated pillock, it’s fact. These were the weights used in the Kearsney Festival brochure. Your continued trolling and disregard for a particular school is far more worrying than just a passionate old boy….maybe you should look inwards and stop pointing fingers
I see that I can now also add a weight disadvantage to Mr.Hoppers list of excuses.
Grassfixation. ???? where do you get the time to fabricate all these illusions. As stated previously this unhealthy obsession is worrying
Mr.Hopper, your list of excuses just keep on growing. The latest being that your trainers prepare the boys for the long term, implying that Monnas coaches and conditioners are only interested in short term results with no thought given to their longterm wellbeing. Add that to your injury list, your altitude problems and the bad manners and dirty tactics of your hosts. Fact is, you were soundly beaten by a huge margin, just underlining the fact that no boy in the northern provinces need to be lured to your part of the world with money or bursaries. There are plenty of schools up here that can offer the same and more than Glenwood can.
And please stop using your EG win with ONE point (at a FESTIVAL close to your home) as a yardstick of how good and physical your team can be. EG has one of their smallest packs in years and had a slow start to the season. They have hit form only in the last couple of weeks. Their loss to Glenwood in April was their “bad day at the office”.
@Tang: Let me try and answer some of these questions because some of your opinions in your post seem to be in anger.
First of all you have to remember that it is a little bit more competitive for the JHB schools as there is a lot of options, you seem to forget that until the rise of St Albans, Boys High didn’t really have a lot of competition – almost every boy that lived in Pretoria applied to Boys High, in addition you used to appeal to a lot of the English speaking boys in the East Rand and further north. You are also allowed to cater for almost twice the amount of boys that other schools can.
I can’t tell you why the two boys you mentioned came to Jeppe, what I do know is that both boys came to the school from Grade 8, I know that at least 1 of those boys did not come on a rugby bursary (I can’t speak for the other) and I know that both went to Primary School in one of the main catchment areas for Jeppe. They may have come to play rugby but they also may have come because a lot of their Primary School friends were applying to Jeppe.
Every parent that has a child with some inkling of talent will send their son to the school where they think that their sons talent will be best nurtured. I know someone who lived across the road from Jeppe who sent his son to KES as he was a great cricketer. I also know of a Jeppe Old Boy that sent his son to KES to play cricket – both boys went on to illustrious cricket careers. the point is that they were sent to KES where their talent was best nurtured.
The parents of these boys may have made the same decision when looking at their sons rugby talents – to answer your question you will have to ask their parents. I can say this though – both boys will get a matric and both boys will be eligible to go to University if that is a route they want to pursue, so the academics can’t be as horrific as you imply.
To suggest that boys on sporting bursaries should sit out the fixture is to put it bluntly ridiculous. Boys High rightly point out their academic achievements, it is no different to me suggesting that boys that go to Boys High on academic bursaries should not be allowed to go to class.
It is difficult to compare rugby teams in different era’s, having gone to school in the Jake White era though I am pretty confident that both the teams in ’94 and ’95 would have comfortably beaten the current Jeppe side, the point I am trying to make is that regardless of bursaries, the beauty of school boy rugby is strength comes and goes. If you had told me in 1998 that Jeppe would be as weak as it was from 1999 – 2009, I would not have believed you. I think that Boys High is just at the bottom of the cycle and they will be back sooner rather than later – form is temporary after all.
Sport has changed in the last 20 years and a lot of schools have adapted because of it and also become more professional because of it – is it a bad thing? Would SA rugby and cricket to name two codes be as strong as it is now without professional coaches at School level?
I hope that this puts your mind at ease a little in terms of your recent comments. We do not know what will happen in the future and you may find that a couple years from now Boys High may start to give sporting bursaries and that may lead them to be a Power House of schoolboy rugby again. Just remember though if that happens, I will be wondering if your bursary students are going to sit out the Jeppe fixture
@Grasshopper: We have beating Garsfontein in the Tuks semi final and will play EG in 9 days time. Monnas vs Affies does not happen for reasons above my paygrade. I think Sanix tournament is overrated. By your own results it was evident. It us a fanrastic oppertunity and experience. Wildeklawer for example would have been better competition for GW. Think there is currently about 10 teams who could win Sanix in South Africa. We also have cravenweek players from last year who is injured. Palvie and JJ would have made n difference but on the day Monnas would still have beaten them. We look forward to the game next year. There is nothing wrong with Monnas conditioning. You do not have to be muscular to be in a good conditiong. Take Warren Whiteley as n prime example. We will never be a muscular team with one or two exceptions in the years to come but will always be strong, conditioned and fit. Luckily all Monnas rugby A teams won on the day and some were not rated to win. I think the hype about Glenwood inspired the Monnas teams to lift their game. Monnas guts. This will conclude my comments on the game
@boerboel: Do not always believe what you read on tv. Monnas pack was about 800kg
@Beet Jeppe versus Boys High finished 36 – 22 to Jeppe
@Roger: Really seems Kes clicking at right time will see if its not a case of just a really poor SJC team or a statement making Kes team but great win nonetheless
@Hooit: Not sure, would make sense to fly but maybe too costly, not sure. What does the Monnas pack weigh, must be close to 850kg. The front row alone must be close to 360kg.
@boerboel: stop being such a twat!
Van Rooyen – 111kg
Botha – 96kg
Vorster – 101kg
Weideman – 108kg
JJ van der Mescht – 120kg
Kevin Smit – 97kg
Brummer – 86kg
Palvie – 110kg
= 829kg
Yesterday, Schwulst (90kg), the lock not sure of name (95kg) and O’Neill (90kg) played instead of Botha, JJ and Palvie, so 778kg yesterday. 50kg short of bulk from the normal side….that is huge at this level, 6kg per man…
@Tang: It’s unfortunate that you single school children but I think Wandi the number is already 18 and its well known that Hachivah who played 11 yday is also over 18 but I can give you this background on them.
Foreword or Background
when candidates apply to Jeppe they are asked to state which winter, summer and cultural activity they will participate in. Some schools that offer upwards of 80 sporting bursaries even ask Gr 6 learners to send them cv of sporting achievements with comprehensive references and details of provicial tournaments they have participated in. Jeppe does not are closest rival does Green blazers and Red 1st Team Jumper has been doing soo for atleast 10 years if not longer will not name them.
Now lets start with Wandi
talented athlete from Soweto his parents naturally as all decent parents wanted the best for he was on the books of Kazier Chiefs as star soccer player illusive runner but not a provincial rugby player in Primary school. He applied to Kes, Parktown and Jeppe ….. Kes and Parktown flat out reject him even though the boy is decent scholar no Einstein but solid 65 – 73 avg at school he gets rejected. As alluded the u14 rugby coach is deputy Headmaster and the other coach is part of the recruitment processes they see superb soccer player who is also quite quick and not only do they accept him the give
full bursary to come to Jeppe the rest as they say is history and just for kicks the school in Houghton which rejected him comes for him af the start of his grade 11 year to give him a chance at a better school when rejected him when he was a nobody in their eyes.
Now for Hachivah number 8/11 excuse the spelling when the Mapoe twins were recruited to come to Jeppe for rugby reasons obviously about 5 years ago these are lions centre Lionel Mapoe’s younger brothers they said they will come only if their family friend who had not played any rugby but was an incredible Athlete come with them. The Mapoes played 3rd team rugby in their matric year while Hachivah has been a revelation at Jeppe remember him been given opportunities at the first side as an u16 in 2013 and people asking the then 1st XV coach what he was smoking. The boy has been a star.
For your information the marquee star player that come to Jeppe in 2012 was Happiness he was what we thought a complete article at u14 and the bulls and Garsfontein happily snatched him up. These boys through god given talent and set of good proactive decision making have come together to be a very decent team lots of them will proplayers and atleast 3 may even become Boks.
Here are some pertinent questions for you?
Should Wandi’s parents not have wanted him to go to the best school they could find for him?
Are we to let talanted deserving youngsters to our clutches of the government school systems when we have the means to help them change their lives through their good given talents?
Lastly you did not answer the question in regard to u14 results can promise a new team was not purchased as you would choose to believe but Boys High was out coached in that game?
Not everyone who went to Boys High are the calibre of Mr Masks or Mr Smit, mostly average joes and even some slimballs who shot at poor girls who are in the Jon.
In conclusion Saint Johns, Parktown, Saint Stithians and “Kes for many years” have beaten Boys High.
Are those teams mercinaries and if Boys High is so fixated on keeping relationship with their traditional rivals why do they not play Potch Boys anymore. In your eyes Moral high ground to some arrogance and sense of entitlement. What absolute drivel you post here in the interest of painting you school as the cornestone of SA Boys’ Schools. Boys High problem is not Jeppe its the fact talented Pretoria sportmen are no longer seeing it as alternative to Affies but are going to Menlo and Garsfontein instead.
I see mr grass fixation quote of an 830 kg gw pack was only out by 129 kg. Tv stats 701 kg. But then ????
@Hooit: I think you’ll find as the game gets quicker in senior ranks and in the next few years conditioning will count. The Glenwood coaches are preparing the boys for senior rugby. Kevin Smit literally bulldozed quite a few Monnas players, pure power. The Glenwood 8 is too small, but a good leader and quick. I can tell you now all the Monnas players breathed a sigh of relief knowing Marco & JJ were not playing, simple. Next year will be interesting back in Durbs and hopefully a full strength team. Do Monnas play AFFIES, Garsies or EG Jansen? I think those three sides could give them a good go. Glenwood dealt with EG Giants fine so yesterday was just a bad day and Monnas played to their strengths, again well done to them. I think playing at Home for Monnas gives them a 20 point boost!
@Grasshopper: I know when Monnas plays at Glenwood the 1st team fly down on the Saterday morning. Doesn’t GW do the same?
@odie15: Boishaai has more depth than Glenwood, only 30% of the school play rugby. That is probably 50 to 60% at Boishaai. I think yesterday the management made a few selection errors. Weideman & Francke were just back from injury, should have played 2nds. The 2nd team lock pairing should have started 1st. 3rd team No8 and hooker probably should have played 1st, they were standout. Brummer the Glenwood captain is just too small to play 8. Anyway, hopefully lessons learnt.
@Kattes-Strofes: yes if mathematics is correct even with a loss against GIM but number 1 isn’t acceptable result for the year…..bloedwors must be braaied!
@Grasshopper: Correct observation. Glenwood look more muscular. On fitness I think Monnas won that one. Our front row is plain Afrikaans meat eating boys. Not very muscular but looks are deceiving. We have one bulky backline player who was actually the number 8 at junior level and moved to centre last year due to a shortage of centers in the school. If you look at Monnas gym coach you will realise that he does not believe in weight training but more in functional body weight training. I think JJ had to go with to assist the Glenwood 1st team to put their playing jerseys on. Most Monnas boys will take n piece of steak over a piece of fish anyday. If you look at the tackle situation which is a small contest for muscular and well conditioned boys than Monnas won it on achievement and not looks. My main reference point here is the Monnas 7. Saw his one run and the consequence to the GW player (8) at the game and his other run and the consequence to another GW player 7 on TV later. It is a pity JJ did not play but so far in 4 years against the Lions/Monnas he does not have a track record in his favour.
@Kattes-Strofes: re altitude, it’s different at a festival, teams arrive a few days before and acclimatize during the week, going up for 2 days is different. These are not excuses just observations. That is why I feel Glenwood should only play schools outside of KZN in festivals. I know the management want to test the teams but it’s proven Affies & Grey Bloem are just in another league.
@Grasshopper: most probably the biggest match Boishaai was Oakdale last year. SA schools players Moerat, Ruben de Villiers, Manny Rass and Khanya Ncusane were available due to International duty. There were a few who called for match to be rescheduled but they played with half 2nd team players in the side. A massive match players came through and pulled together. Was a huge triumph in light of what the big picture is today.
@Roger: not really, our open boys taught Monnas a few lessons, especially the 2nd team. The Monnas guys got frustrated and reverted to dirty tactics…we’ve seen it before. 1st team just didn’t pitch, it happens. They all were training for KZN in the week and maybe over trained or trying to avoid injury, not sure what went wrong. A bit like the Lions vs Canes, a good team that didn’t pitch missing some key forwards….
@Kattes-Strofes: agreed injuries are part of the game, but as an example any side would be weaker without say Eben Etzebeth, Lood de Jäger or PSTD. Take Moerat out of your side and its weaker. Same with JJ, he is just immense. 6th fastest in the team at 2,05cm and 120kg. Also take Vermuelen out of any side, same thing. They were our key ball carriers. What I did notice was the Glenwood players looked far better conditioned, muscular and fit. The Monnas guys had more bulk. Our front row probably only weighs around 320kg vs the Monnas one which must be 350kg plus. The lock in JJ place isn’t even 100kg, so we short 20kg of bulk. Some of the Monnas backs looked like forwards, far too heavy. So maybe at school level bulk wins over skills and conditioning. The balance of our side isn’t the same without those 2 players. Anyway, it’s a loss and well done Monnas for breaking the winning streak.
@simpy: didn’t see or hear any of that so can’t comment unfortunately – I was sitting on the other side of the field from the school boys. There was no comment afterward from any St Johns parents or old boys that I chatted to either.
@Ringo: @Vleis: @Tang: one way traffic in Houghton – was 31-0 at half time. After you fellas put the wind up me during the week I thought I would have to pop in for a for a few cold ones and catch the game – maybe a bad day at the office for St Johns. Jeppe – Boys High looked a close game – 24-22 with 5 to play. Must have been some worried Jeppe supporters at that point! Well done Monnas – didn’t expect a 25 point margin @Grasshopper: it’s tough there in the West Rand heh
Lions Craven Week team looking good with Jeppe, Monnas and Helpies all top ten sides this year and with a sprinkling of Bennies and KES boys should be very competitive.
Well done Monnas, julle het regtig baie meer lus gelyk om die game te wen en dit dan ook so oortuigend gedoen
Dan Boishaai, weereens ‘n goeie vertoning. Hoop darem nie die beserings lys raak te lank nie, maar soos altyd speel ons met die beste spelers van die dag
@Ring and @Orbit: Help me change my perception.
Why did the number 13 come to Jeppe? Did he come to get distinctions in maths and science or did he come to play rugby?
Why did the number 11 come to Jeppe. Did he come for the education or did he come for the rugby?
If you tell me hand on heart that they came to Jeppe for education and not for sport, then perceptions of mercenary will be dispelled. If on the other hand they were brought to Jeppe to play rugby and glorify the school through sporting achievements, then a moral and ethical question arises. Are they not professionals? Were they hired to deliver glory for a few short moments on a sports field? Schools are not made great by a few rugby victories. Schools are made great by the values they imbue and the values they stand for.
This is my point about short-term fixes in rugby. Boys High may well have to face the possibility that the bulk of the traditional rivals have succumbed to the South African formula. Give bursaries and hire professional coaches. It may well mean that Boys High no longer have a win percentage that is above 50% per season. Is this a reflection on Boys High or is this a reflection on traditional rivals and the approaches they have to sport?
I know your argument is that only a few bursaries are given for sport and the Jeppe turnaround has little to do with these bursaries. If that is the case, then why not leave your players on bursaries out of the Boys High fixture?
Jeppe rugby has never been at the level it is at now. Even in the Jake White era, it was never at the current level. Isn’t it a strange coincidence that the scholarship fund and the rugby fortunes are so closely linked.
@Ringo: I challenge you to try to get a list of first team/ A team players from any school who offers bursaries. You will see that the information is not forthcoming. All schools who offer bursaries downplay the level and number of bursaries. Why not play open cards and when playing against traditional rivals disclose how many boys are on sporting bursaries? If you so value beating Boys High at A/B team levels, why not openly tell how many boys have been brought in to play rugby.
Yes your number 13 was superb. He is the complete article and could well play rugby for South Africa. He totally and single-handedly changed the outcome of the fixture.
If that is what Jeppe covet, then carry on giving sports bursaries. You may well find in 10 years from now, the relevance of beating Boys High at A/B team levels is insignificant.
The significance of maintaining values and having a well-rounded education is never lost.
@Grasshopper: Grassy! Injuries is very much part and parcell of rugby. A boys school like Glenwood, with a good and solid rugby programme, should have no problems with injuries. Apart from the three first choise players of Boishaai that is out for the season, every week brings more injuries. For instance, Boishaai today had to play without their SA -A NO.8 Khanja Nkusane and 1st choise inside centre Handri van Heerden.
Also the question of altitude, although probably having an influance, can also not be put forward as an excuse.
Every year, Boishaai travels up north to take part in the St. Johns festival, and normally have to face top opposition. (2015 – Monnas and Garsfontein- 2016 – Nelspruit and Helpmekaar). So yes! It is tough! But Glenwood is ambitious, and therefore must face up, and not look for excuses.
@Kattes-Strofes: that win was good but we discussed it at length….during some Braai time. Scoreline was bit deceiving some inaccurate finishing today. I think had the bois completed some passes and Gianni had his old boots on score could’ve been by +50 points. But it’s a luxury discussing short comings at the moment. Supporters will always want more…
@Hooit: Jip. Dinsdag.
@Kattes-Strofes: Julle mag maar brag. Wonderlike prestasie en ja dit raak nou seker AL moeiliker om naweek in en naweek uit so mamba te wees soos daai klomp Boishaaiers soos die ding op homself bou en die druk seker net al meer raak. Praat nou die aand met my seun wat die Bennys se pak voorspelers hoog aangeskryf het vanjaar sover en hy sê daar is net een pak vories wat hulle meer opdraand gegee het en dis natuurlik julle manne van Boishaai. Moet nou net nie loop knak onder die druk en vir Paarl Gim se truuks loop val nie. Julle sal NOOIT die einde daarvan hoor as hulle die manne moet wees om julle die loef af te steek nie. Baie sterkte vir ‘n great span. My oorle skoonpa was ‘n groot Boishaai-man en slaap seker nou ekstra rustig……Ek dink julle kan maar so R100 of so toegang vra by die interskole en dit sal steeds oorvol toeskouers wees.
Also , my congrats to Brackenfell, who is my other favourite team, for their narrow victory over Stellenberg to claim the unofficial top spot in the WP’s Premier B league. Well done to my friend , and coach, Corne Kannemeyer, his assistants, and team!
Also to Playa and the Dale fan club! Great victory!
Then to the good doc from Ben Vorster! Jo! maat! Julle het hul gas gegee.
Lastly to Andre T and his Monnas boys! Genugtig manne ! Julle het die Hoppers vandag behoorlik laat rondhop soos afkop hoenders. Sorry Grassy and other Hoppers, your wheels came off badly today, and I am afraid on today’s showing, that there will be even more hardships against Affies and Grey. Anyway, the sun will still rise in the morning!
@Quagga: Ek het dit so verstaan maar ander kon dalk deurmekaar wees. Sien seker Dinsdag by Monnas vir Leeus vs Luiperds
@Hooit: Which player is your son?
@Grasshopper: As @Hooit pointed out I was referring to the wrong PJ in that context. It is indeed the #8 PJ Jacobs. Botha is die hooker.
@Hooit: Liewe ouers Pot sal my kwalik neem dat ek nou so met die twee vanne loop staan en deurmekaar raak het. Natuurlik. Jammer daaroor. Albei die PJs is uitmuntende spelers. Ek het beslis van Jacobs gepraat in daardie konteks.
@Losbal: I don’t know about these things….woman and money well lots of money never mix well.
Nou ja! Aangesien niemand praat oor Boishaai se sege vandag oor Oakdale nie, sal ek maar vir n slag die brag- werk doen. Ek hoop net Andre T en ander bloggers sal my n slag vergewe, want tot dusver was ek trots, maar taamlik beskeie! Ek belowe ook dat ek Maandag weer my smoel sal hou, want die spreekwoord se mos tereg “hoogmoed kom voor die val”, en Ploegie se boertjies lek al lank hulle lippe af vir die stryd!
Eers iets oor vandag. Oakdale het n uitstekende span, en dit is dus geen wonder nie dat hulle die SWD Cravenweek span oorheers nie. n Hele paar ysters, en ek is dan ook nie verbaas dat hulle, voor vandag, nog net teen Grey Bloem vasgeval het nie. Sterkte vir die res van die seisoen! Julle kan tereg trots wees op julle seuns.
Terug na my brag! Hierdie seuns van 2016 speel vanjaar om die”legacy” van die 2015 span te laat voortleef. Dit is geen maklike taak nie, en om reeds met top skole soos Nelspruit, Helpmekaar ,Outeniqua, Affies, Grey Bloem , andere, en nou ook Oakdale af te reken in 13 wedstryde tot dusver, se baie van die seuns se talente en veggees!
Die coaching span verdien ook groot lof, omdat hulle goed daarin slaag om die seuns se fokus te behou, ondanks Cravenweek proewe en eksamens.
So nou, vir my groot brag. Soos altyd gese is tydens die legendariese bokser , wyle Mohamed Allie se gevegte,
“Ladies and gentlemen! After 34 rounds of matches, with a record of 34 wins, no draws! and no defeats! Please put your hands together for the undisputed , and undefeated NO. 1 ranked Schoolboy rugby side in the RSA! Paarl Boishaai!!!
@Playa: I think the maths is over for the year! It’s a 2 horse race now….
@Quagga: Thanks. Agree great win. Lekker to be a Monnas parent today and twice as nice because my son had a huge game for the 1st team. PJ Botha is the captain and hooker in the team. PJ Jacobs is the u17 player you are referring to.
@Grasshopper: I agree the 2nd team game from Monnas was ill disciplined but Glenwood also no angels. The 1st incident both teams equally guilty but the last incident the Monnas players out of line. Afrikaans schools in general do not have the greeting culture english schools have but that is actually of the subject. JJ could have changed the result with maybe 7 points but Monnas have played against him for the past few years and have always dealt with him effectively. Monnas have both their u18 flyhalf and scrumhalf out of action for the whole year so injuries is part of the game. I think your depth is better than ours if I look at your 2nd and 3rd team. My summary of the game is that the Glenwood forwards do not have the physical presence required at this level at this stage. The Monnas 7 Van Niekerk is a good example with 2 Glenwood boys who would rather forget trying to tackle him if they can remember trying to tackle him at all. Monnas does not have a flashy backline but defense was good. MJ Pelser ran into the gaps and not the players today and Prinsloo on fullback provided a nice x factor to the backline. The Glenwood backline just did not get enough good ball to keep them in the game and show their true ability. I think that if the 1ste team showed the same kind of hunger to win as the 2nd team it would have been a closer game.
@Grasshopper: apologies for being late the Braai lasted a bit longer than expected. The game looked pretty well setup for good 2nd half and then it just went south so quick.
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@BoishaaiPa: To put that sort of margin up against a quality Oakdale side takes some doing. Well done on this exceptional Boishaai team that is developing into one of those that we’ll remember for many many moons to come. I also think anyone who underestimates Oakdale doing forward (as in the case of Glenwood) will do so at their own peril.
@Grasshopper: That’s the spirit! I have the utmost respect for Glenwood. In some of my highschool days spent in KZN they were ‘larger than life’ to us, as was Maritzburg College and DHS in those days. PJ Botha is the Monnas #8, an u17 player (like JJ) who also leaves his heart out there on the rugby field every Saturday and who was particularly effective defensively against an attacking JJ vd Mescht last year so they know (of) him. No doubt in my mind that JJ vd M is a special player now and for the future but keep an eye out for Botha in future as well I might add. Just think the Monnas coach would have had tactics to limit his usual impact but he will hopefully have next year, in his own age group, to show his worth against them.
Off topic, good to see Jaco Coetzee there walking fine and looking fitter. Also James Venter & the Lions Junior Glenwood OBs. Great support boys!
Take Paul Willemse out of his Monnas side a few yeas back, not the same….just saying….
@Quagga: who is PJ Botha?
@Quagga: JJ literally towered over the Monnas forwards at the end of the match, shaking hands. He is immense and will be next year. Glenwood had a bad day, it happens. They will hit back! Again the Monnas Kwaggas I think they call themselves will remember today’s game, worked over. Remember 20 years ago Glenwood were not even top 50 so for us this is a good side. KZN to shock a few at CW! All hockey games won and tennis was a clean sweep, Monnas took the chess, cycling, golf and cross country.
@Hooit: Congrats on a good win over a strong team.
@Grasshopper: sorry to read about Glenwood losing to Monnas. Clearly a bitter dissapointment and understandably so. JJ does not scare the likes of PJ Botha of Monnas who showed that in the Grant Khomo last year when he was basically neutralised by committed defence from Botha and a few others (Helpmekaar forwards). Anyone (and I am not saying you, really mean anyone) putting the ‘if only JJ was there today’ on the kids’ shoulders would not be fair. Expectations of Glenwood were perhaps too high as they have not been tested properly this year. Well now they have to some extent over the past 2 weeks and everyone can relax, Glenwood is a good team but perhaps not the powerhouse expected this year and need to get their heads up, and get to work. The KZN teams in general are not impressive so far this season but that does not mean they won’t put up a good show battling one another. Affies still lies ahead for Glenwood and that may be a tough one but fortunately for them they don’t have other quality Gauteng teams like Jeppe or Helpmekaar on their fixture list to worry about. Good luck with the rest of the season.
Die Gimmies het ‘n snaakse dag teen Rondebosch gehad. Goeie oomblike en ook slegte oomblikke. Rondebosch was goed en sterk op tye. Daai heelagter van Bosch is besonders. Ook jammer om te hoor van ‘n paar beserings, nooit aangenaam nie.
Nou vir Oakdale, wat ‘n baie groot taak gaan wees in Riversdal.
HJS was goed en het ‘n gevaarlike Oakdale stilgehou toe dit nodig was. Hulle was ook klinies en het hul kanse goed gebruik. Defnitief een van die beste eerstespanne oor die laaste 10 jaar. Krediet aan Oakdale wat tot die einde toe geveg het.
Sal ook graag by PRG-SACS wou wees, lyk of dit ‘n naelbyter was. Enige nuus oor daai wedstryd?
@Playa: congrats on an awesome achievement.
@BrotherBear: Correct! When I said it a few weeks back I was slated by some Florence Nightingale Do Gooder wearing a KZN wife beater, fact is KZN have weaker sides this year, period. Glenwood have been the best on offer, and as said prior to today, not tested out of the province except EG (14-13) and they make up the bulk of the CW side (I’m not debating whether they should or shouldn’t) but there is no evidence that we will produce a competitive CW side.
Grasshopper, there isn’t a get out of travel free card nor a we had missing players column. It is what it is.
I’ll be sure to forward all congratulatory messages to Griffy.It’s him and the boys that deserve it.I’m just a proud old boy.A hearty congratulations to them from me as well.This season has truly proved me wrong.I expected more of the same from these boys,but having watched them play and lose in their junior years I never doubted their fighting spirit.I
AMADODA!
@Grasshopper: What Glenwood loss?
@Ringo: Haven’t watched as many games as Id have liked to this year, I just can’t get over @Tang , he had a go last time and once again. Can’t keep it to..well done Jeppe was a good game etc. Instead telling Jeppe how they are a one player team etc. Last time he said that dayimani (8) is over rated? Seriously a sore loser.
In other news that is now 3 away wins in a row against Boys High and 5 in a row.
The final score was 36- 22 real pity about the ref but that is my opinion though and not what the otherside saw though.
Garsies 50 – 10 waterkloof… Dankie waterkloof vir n lekker dag! Goeie gees op en van die veld! Lekker local derby gewees! Baie sterkte vir die res vd seisoen met al julle spanne!
@Orbit: Yeah you could see how make shift the team Hachivah on the wing and a lot of lost fluidity as the fullback appendicidice yday meant he could not play but from the moral padelstal at Boys High all they saw was a team of bought mercinaries right
Although Wandi was phenomenonal today really turned it up once the ref had brought Boys High in with a sniff at 24 – 22 he really did something super special to shut up their crowd as they were just about to get going.
@VanniLaeveld: Bursary isn’t money talks and there are a handful from your area. Be clear, it’s a bursary and not cash, very different. If you don’t like it, end the derby. I wouldn’t mind it as there was more off the ball from Monnas today than I have seen in 5 years in KZN. Even in the under15a game. Luckily the Glenwood boys don’t take kak either…
@Vleis: very dangerous indeed schoolmate lost all his teeth at practice because was defending from the wrongside
@Tang there is that moral high ground I was expecting Red card for deliberate knock on okay I guess there is a new law 10 infringement I did not know off. Learn something new everyday on this blog.
The ref helped alot if you were in green,red,white stripes and black shots. I counted atlest 6 if not 7 tackles which he deamed mauls when it was obvoius that it was tackle not a maul. The breakdown was mess Boys High could come from whichever side they deemed the was no offside lines for Boys High at Jeppe rucks often their defenders lined up on our scrumhalf’s hip and not their last mens’ feet on their side of the ruck but anyway. Guess that might be a new law variations I did not know of as well. It looked like a win at all costs attempt for me but what do I know about desperation rugby.
@Playa: Glad to say I called this amazing win for Dale well done…. get my beers from BHP and enjoy those as well viva AMADODA well played chaps.
Jislaaik Garsfontein 50-10 Waterkloof……
Paul Roos 38-34 SACS…must have been exciting
PHS 39-34 Frikkie Meyer surprisingly close
@ Grasshopper: you’re probably scaring the hell out of the monnas girls and boys…then you expect them to greet you…lol.
But surely most memorable result must go to Dale….22 year wait broken, that is special……@playa this is also certain to push you into the top 10 ….once again , well done…enjoy the celebrations!
Campbell vs Clifton game ended 28-19. Campbell lost it in the last 10. HT we were leading 12-5. Good game from both team fighting spirit and great support from both schools.
U14A 65-0 Clifton
U15A 20-0 Clifton
U16A ???
3rds ??
2nds 22-22
1st 28-19 Clifton
Disappointing results from the juniors. Campbell u14A bulk of the boys started playing rugby couple of months ago. So an improved results is expected of them in the future.
Well done to Clifton, Monnas, Kearsney , Ville , College and the rest of the other results.
Paarl Gim 48-19 Rondebosch
@Grasshopper Since you agree that rugby is not a good enough reason to send your son hundreds of km’s to Glenwood, there are plenty of boys only schools up north who can compete quite succesfully with Glenwood in the “good manners” department.
There is absolute no reason to send your son to Glenwood other than “money talks”.
@Playa: Well done, big win! The Glenwood loss must be a distant memory now.
Kearsney beat Hilton 20-08
@Gungets Tuft: yes, especially with 5x DHS boys in the KZN side. Seems College are getting better as the season progresses. Glenwood are suffering a hang over from SANIX, so it makes for a huge game on Goldstones. Glenwood need to wake up quickly from their slumber to get to pre and during SANIX form. Westville are improving too having beaten House 20-3 today.
@Playa:
Congrats!
@Grasshopper: Massive win in the context of KZN this year. Not that any College supporter would have begrudged DHS a win today. We’ve lots of respect for DHS, our brothers from another mother. Very sorry I missed the game.
@Playa: Just exceptional!!
@Vyfster: First win in PE since 94!!!
If no one hears from me in the next two days…Google all drinking spots in Cape Town….I’ll be under one of those tables
What a very close game. Well done Dale.
My man of the match is the Dale fly half, his pop pass, to the no7, with a prop on his back was fantastic.
@Playa…wow, Dale won Grey in PE?. that is massive….congrats
@kosie…ja veels geluk, ek het regtig gedink Wonderboom gaan stywer teenstand bied…lyk my dit was toe heel maklik….
Disgusted not discussed, stupid correction thing on my phone.
@VanniLaeveld: rugby is not all that Glenwood offers, very short-sighted and dumb comment. Not one Monnas kid greeted me. I also don’t agree with a co-Ed schools, so if parents are looking for single sex school offering more than an NSC, Cambridge etc. Also, you couldn’t pay enough money to live in Krugersdorp! What discussed me the most was a Monnas player pushing Kevin Smit to the ground when he was clearly concussed! Shocking! Also, all the cheap shots in the 2nd team, thank goodness we nipped that in the bud early. JJ was itching to get on, if only he could of.
@Tang: Jeppe was beating bennies (a team that demolished you) quite comfortably without him in the side as an example of how that comment is unfair on a good old round team that has worked very hard.
Well done Monnas. An emphatic win which clearly shows that the rankings are a bit “off”. Monnas winning all the A matches makes one wonders (again) why any parent north of the Vaal would even contemplate sending their sons all the way to Durban if there clearly are plenty of schools closer to home that can offer as much or more than what Glenwood offers. Sad that money clouds good judgement.
@vyfster In total agreement with you that scores of 100 does SBR no good. There is absolutely nothing to gain from letting a match continue to that margin. Not from a rugby perspective, not from an educational perspective. SBR is NOT professional rugby.
@Tang: Wow Tang you really are a sore loser. The Jeppe side was missing more than 4 players today and still ran you, to say its all down to one player is a poor comment
College win 26-19!
@Ringo: Have to disagree with you. Two Jeppe boys very luck to play the full game today. Tip tackle could have been red and the deliberate knock down could have also been red.
Jeppe were very poor in terms of discipline especially when Boys High were on attack.
Ref was consistent throughout the fixture and had very little bearing on the result.
Have to say the Jeppe number 13 is a cut above the rest. He runs the whole show for Jeppe. He runs clever angles, fends off defenders and has excellent hands and feet. I can tell you that Jeppe would be a different team without him.
If he is missing for the KES fixture, I predict a win for KES.
26-14 to College, 1 min to play
@Gungets Tuft: 19-14 to College, 5mins to play!
1/2 time on Van Heerdens, DHS 11 – 10 vs College. Sounds like a great game, unfortunately not there.
@Playa: That’s incredible. When I last heard grey had just scored to go 21-12 up. They must have scored two quick tries. Well done, and so ends the long wait. Your good season continues.
Qc lost 31-23 to St Andrews. Our serious slump continues. We attacked the whole 2nd half. Bad defence cost us big time. Very worried about our side for the rest of the year
Dale win 26-21
BL 111/ DF Malan 5….Daar kan mos geen waarde wees in hierdie tipe games nie. Met al die statistieke wat deesdae beskikbaar is vanaf o/14 tot by die 2de spanne behoort die WP Unie sekerlik ‘n idee te hê wat die onderskeie skole se potensiaal vir ‘n komende seisoen sal wees. Indien dit behoorlik gebruik word sal hierdie tipe tellings nie aan die orde van die dag wees nie. Soos ek verstaan poog DF om hul rugby weer op ‘n kopeterende vlak te bring maar sulke games gaan hul net verder terugsit.
@Vyfster: Scores as you describe do nobody any good. The winning team sees it as one way traffic and the loosing team stop playing. Sad to see.
On a lighter note but the same theme. Eldo beat Wonderboom 41-14 earlier today. I still think Eldo should play in the A league.
Well done Vossies. You still needed to score the points.
@Ringo: Well done on the hockey win. Your hockey is also top notch these days. Apparently Boys High were missing their two star players – one boy was injured and the other suspended after headbutting an opposition player last week.
Rough game this hockey malarky! 
@Ringo: Good to hear! Don’t know the guys personally just know they have been around for a while and seem to service the jeppe system.
St Alban’s lost by 30 to 26 away at Parktown – 4 tries each. St Alban’s were camped on Parktown’s line for the last three minutes, but came up centimetres short for the winning try. Heartbreaking for the boys.
It’s a great pity that there weren’t assistant referees manning the sidelines, rather than schoolboys who were pressured by the Parktown coaching staff.
Congrats to KES for their massive win – 59 to 10. I didn’t see that coming. Also, congrats to Boys High for putting up a brave effort v Jeppe. I must concur with Ringo that the ref who officiated the St Alban’s v Boys High game was shocking. I wonder if it was the same chap?
oh and we won the hockey as well …. great day out in pretoria
@Orbit: could not share you sentiments more you could see the gradual and steady improvement in the u14a team especially when they drew against Saints that they decided that they would front up for tge rest of the season. Their coach also works hard with those boys and what lekker guy desciplinarian but very approachable well done to them.
Well done to all at Jeppe very good wins in all the A/B teams and the 1st and 2rds.
@ any Boys High supporter I wonder if you can still sit on the moral high ground and then say that you supported the actions of the ref and his assistantsin the 1st XV game. They were appauling to say the least the ref was soo baised that it was actually a joke. His actions gives refs all over a bad name but after his consistent attempts alas Boys High still lost
whether a boy is at school on a bursary or not does not give the right to cheat him of an opportunity to display his good given talent. Shameful the actions of that ref really poor
@Roger the Reds really served me some humble pie appearntly there were merciless 50- 5 when I stopped asking for updates
Ben Vorster 62-3 Tom Naude
well done to the Vossies, but I am also a bit sad
consider the following scores Ben Vorster first;
1st 62-3
2nd 85-0
3rd 63-17
u16A 88-0 (stopped early)
u15A 43-8
u14A 39-5
Same thing happened against PHS…and this is actually one of the lowest winning margins in many a year…as a matter of fact Tommies didn’t play PHS or BV for many years due to even bigger scores, yet they were teh only ‘macro’ school in limpopo and as such went trough every year as Macro school champ…whilst they couldn’t even beat any medium schools in the province.
Yet,they once were one of the strongest and most feared teams in the country…..winning and sharing Administrators cups.
Good luck Tommies, hopefully you can start competing again in the near future.
i just don’t know how this can be good for SBR….now consider BL 100 today against DF Malan, Selborne’s 100 against Port Rex…maybe Keohane’s article not that stupid as people makes it out to be
@Roger I was at kes and watched kes dominate College in the first game. Parktown’s Mpeku doing very well for you. But I digress.
I was really put off by the chanting of the kes boys. Why are kes so arrogant? I simply can’t believe that Affies were chanting ‘give us 50’ and ‘who are we playing?’ when they trounced you, so why no decorum and gentlemanly conduct from you? Frankly I found it disgusting.
Thoughts?
As expected. Glenwood hugely overated.
@QC86: Festival rugby is very different to derby rugby, where home advantage plays a huge factor!
EG Jansen 59 Marais Viljoen 10. Much better second half by EGJ. Well done Marais Viljoen for an exciting game, especially the first half. Rugby definitely on the up again, especially amongst the juniors
@BrotherBear: the key players for Glenwood up to now have been Van der Mescht (lock), Palvie (no8), Francke (flyhalf), Maduna (centre) & Holtzhausen (centre), the spine of the team. Losing JJ & Marco was massive for us, they are our go forward players. They created gaps for the flyhalf & centers. Francke only came back today and his hand was heavily wrapped up. The 3 week break seems to have done more harm than good. Anyway, Monnas played well, have a good pack and at home will be hard to beat by any side. It’s just so frustrating knowing what the Glenwood team can do but two weeks in a row on TV not pitched up. They are a good side ask Dale College & EG Jansen. Seems losing key players hurts us big time. What is good to know is that half that side is back next year. If KES are playing at Monnas next week it’s going to be a massacre down the line….
@Grasshopper: must say it seems that GW has some depth. The travel fatigue issue is quite contentious as the consensus is that the Thursday night before a Saturday game is much more important. If the players are properly conditioned then such a trip is a non-issue. Maybe you should ask Pietersburg and Ben Vorster how they manage these things.
Seems as if GW wanted to outmuscle Monnas rather than diversifying their play options. Did not see any bite in their attack at all.
Well deserved win for Brackenfell. Stellenberg’s rather ambitious season seems to be taking its toll with a number of first choice players not playing. Stellenberg have to take points when on offer, especially when not dominating up front, Brackenfell did and they won. Aimless kicking directly to their opponent danger men simply made no sense. Stellenberg’s season turning into a bit of a nightmare
The one thing today confirmed for me was my dislike for these long distance bus trips for 1 night. Nearly all the Glenwood sides looked flat, maybe it’s the altitude but for me it’s the trip. This is not because we lost most of the games, except hockey. There is no doubt it’s easier to come down to the coast. Also, the culture is just so different in Krugersdorp. We might have Afrikaans boys in the team but we are really an English school. I would prefer a game with Hilton & Northwood than these expensive and tiring trips up to the Vaal. The 2nd and 1st team should have been swapped around today. Glenwood will hit back, just a bad day at the office. I expect plenty of Glenwood bashing this week but water off a ducks back. Monnas wanted it more today and there is nothing wrong with losing. Losing Kevin Smit was also a huge loss. I would have put the 2nd team locks on for the 2nd half. 2nd team win was my highlight! Never stood back and outmuscled them, well done boys!
u14 55-0 to Grey
3rds 31-14 to Grey
2nds 27-5 to Grey
ja, Glenwood somewhat dissapointing…didn’t live up to expectations…easier win for Monnas than expected.
well done HJS…they just keep churning out one victory after the other, i really thought Oakdale might surprise them, I was wrong
At least I was right in predicting possible mild upset for Brackenfell over Stellenberg. Well done to them
KES predictibaly smashed st John’s…no surprise there, always a foregone conclusion….EG ran away at the end, as expected…in spite of low 1st half score against Marais Viljoen….Ben Vorster 24-3 up at halftime against Tom Naude….
@QC86: hahahaha
is that the Monnas that Selborne drew too ???
Well played Monnas, final score 15-40. Glenwood certainly not on song today and really missed the extra weight of JJ & Palvie. Since the SANIX trip the team seems to be lacking the impact they had previously. 2nd team played far better than the 1st team. Luckily JJ can play Monnas next year. A bad day out doesn’t make a season, plenty to play for still.
@Grasshopper: I remember you telling me off because I said Monnas will be good at Line-Outs
@grasshopper: if Glenwood is best that KZN has, then Cravenweek and Academy week will be a real struggle. No 6 played well in 1st half, but that was it. Their scrums were demolished and lineouts lost. No 10 had some impact, but no real support.
That against a Monnas team that was static out back. Right wing (individual try) and fullback of Monnas stand-out players. No 2 and 7 did very well up front, over and above the scrum domination.
Glenwood totally over-rated.
Garsies 12 Kloof 0
@Grasshopper: what was final score?
We lost signal in the WC with a parental guidance explanation. Violence. Not for sensitive viewers. What happened?
Who is reffing the Monnas Glenwood game, he seems to be letting the game flow quite nicely. Playing a lot if advantage as opposed to just blowing every infringement. Lovely to see.
Selborne 109 Port Rex 10
u13a 31-19 to Grey. First loss for the young lads. Good game
Let see how these heavy Monnas forwards go in the 2nd
Glenwood really missing JJ & Marco!
Halftime score EG Jansen 14 Marais Viljoen 0. Wow what is happening in Boksburg today???!!! Marais Viljoen giving EGJ hell today. EGJ not getting their game on. Marais Viljoen crowd extremely vocal and supporting their team. Very exciting game so far.
@Tang I just heard Jeppe U14A and B have beaten Boys High quite convincingly at Boys High after going down quite convincingly at the start of the season in the opening fixture. I was not at the game but in my opinion this is due to superb coaching.
Boys high have blamed almost all there misfortune on player recruitment- which to be fair is probably the main reason for their struggles, however not the only reason.
This PBHS U14A side is talented and the Jeppe side from what I saw on the one or two occasions are quite average. The Jeppe side have slowly but surely become better and better due to the good systems in place coaching wise under two very experienced U14 coaches (one of whom is a deputy headmaster I think- they have coached U14 since 2010 if I can remember) who have been in the Jeppe system from the start of this turnaround. The Jeppe side had a poor year from a recruitment point of view and have worked with what they have, and have slowly made better rugby players.
I think my point is that I agree that Boys High are at a major disadvantage due to no bursaries but this result does show the important role of coaching systems… whatever you have you have to coach really well.
From what I hear this is happening at Boys High so Im sure the results will start turning around. Looking forward to seeing the systems work at Boys High in the coming 5 years.
2nd win 29-17, more handbags at the end. Bluff boys don’t stand down to these Wesvaal okes…
2nd up 29-14
3rd team hooker comes on and has a 50m run, team score! 22-14 up!
2nd team 15-14 up, probably 10 to go! Very close!
A few fisticuffs & handbags going on, Monnas getting frustrated they can’t physically dominate, classic!
Glenwood 2nds up 10-0! Again backs are superior…
Any scores from Kloof and Garsfontein?
@Grasshopper: Thank you! Yes Monnas got a monster pack. All close games junior A teams. I predicted a win for GW u/14 see it was 2 point difference.
@Greenman: yeah, probably 20 penalties against, quite hectic! But the Monnas forwards were superior. Our backs saw very little!
u13b 7-0 to Dale
Under16a lose 5-13, well deserved win by Monnas. They camped on the Glenwood line for 20mins, finally scored in the last minute. Immense defence from Glenwood.
@Grasshopper: tough times! They should be reffing soccer. Penalties 200 for monnas and 3 for Glenwood. No contest today. Waste of time!
6-3 to Monnas, Glenwood missing 1st choice prop so scrums are battling.
u15a 31-0 to Grey
u16a 40 – 10 to Grey
Eish
Still 5-3 to Glenwood 10 mins into 2nd half.
@AbsolutMenlo: 5-3 to Glenwood, but Monnas on the Glenwood line. Impressed by Monnas forwards and Glenwood backs….
@Grasshopper: u/16 game is going to be massive. Menlo beat Glenwood at Wildeklawer but lost against Monnas in Tuks final. Please keep us up to date on that one and of course the first teams. Enjoy!
This might be a weird question but why do Monnas wear black & white when the uniform is navy & yellow?
Very very impressed with the Glenwood 3d team, skills galore. No8, hooker and centre should be higher. 26-0 up! They would have beaten the 1996 1st team, easily!
Under15a lose 12-27, much closer than the score suggests. At 22-12 a Glenwood try was disallowed, looked grounded to me as I was there behind the posts. 3rds on now, Glenwood up 14-0 ten minutes into the half.
Under14a lose 10-12, missed last minute kick at poles to win. Well done Monnas!
@BoishaaiPa: Piss skin maybe in Afrikaans or the old army it was endearing but its an awful nickname…… We would have to be very good drinking buddies in fact the best of buds before I let you call me a piss skin……. I call Kes the rejects cause when the school was formed the surplus to requirements boys at Jeppe were sent over to new school on the other side of Bezvalley called Johannesburg High which later become Kes but that is my recollection of the two schools histories. Old Vleis is engraved in my calendar for free drinks at Kes will shout when I am in the Cape …. I never turn down free booze
@Greenman: heading there now so should get the Under16a game too!
@Grasshopper: see you their as my interest will be playing!
Odie15
http://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/Keohane-quits-amid-sex-and-drugs-scandal-20150429
maar op die balansstaat van die lewe is hy eintlik skadeloos….
@Greenman: you right, actually this side might be better. Quicker and better on the ground. Trying to bash our way through last week didn’t help. Will head to Monnas at 10, looking forward to it ?
@odie15: Dit you see how many times he tried to explain it is not a jibe at the top schools…the lady doth protest to much.
@Grasshopper: its a team sport and we have 15. We will see!
Sterkte aan Kloof en Garsies vir more se groot Derby by Kloof….Baie dankie Kloof vir 5 snr spanne….Die Matrieks sien baie uit na hul Wedstryd
@BoishaaiPa: just read Keohane snr latest piece in SA rugby magazine. After his son’s dismal thoughts on pro-coaching, now he’s upset with teams being thumped. Wants top schools out of regular league. Unbelievable what is this family smoking?
@Ringo: I hope one day soon we can have a beer together…then I will tell you what Jeppe’s nickname is at Boishaai…partly due to an incident in 2010 at the Boishaai u/15 tournament and partly due to a name used in the old army days called a “pisvel” ….
@Ringo: hmmmm – bullish – I like it 8)
@Roger: Same to you my good man Roger hence my support for …… as vomit a little in mouth while I type this….. SJC tomorrow its only to have some cannon founder for KES/Jeppe fixture in two or so months.
We gonna moer Kes on the 6th and then take their lunch to top it off by winning interhigh athletics this year just for good measure which If I am not mistaken is at Parktown……. which means your mob might not crack the invite this year
@Tang just read up on the founders day boys High wow it honour that Jeppe is the opponent picked for this occasion. Hopefully the boys will carry themselves with honour. Hope our u 14 can reverse the result for earlier this year. Horrible memories come to mind whenever I think of an u14 team going to Boys High remember one merciless encounter in 2003 where Jeppe u14 a lost 114 nil in Pta it was my boet third ever game of rugby after a lot of the boys that had been at Parktown fest not being fit enough to take on Boys High……. dark dark dark days indeed.
@Ringo: on paper they should pull it off easily – problem is, rugby is played between four white lines – not paper. We shall reconvene after the 6th of August – good luck to Jeppe tomorrow but I will be rooting for Boys High to hopefully pull a rabbit out the hat!
@Roger: In that you tell the untold truth of the Jeppe/KES rugby match…. maybe the disregard is what is needed to de-mistify a win over KES. These boys should pull it off easily. There is one glaringly weak point in the Jeppe defence which Affies exploited to the Tune of at least 4 if not 5 of their tries. It is the same hole Monakoli used last year. Hopefully the boy picks up confidence of the hole is plugged on defence. The boy does offer something special going forward though. I was telling my brother that I thought our first team Jersey ” which I love and did not have the pleasure of wearing being a nerdy little one myself or as Vleis would put it the size of a poodle” was cursed. My brother’s team when he was in matric was one of those teams who seemed to change their fortunes when they put it on reversing a lot of the their age group scores. I believe these boys have lifted the curse and played in their matric year with the youthful and care free nature which has characterised them as a team throughout their time at Jeppe. Unless Kes can match the physicality and fitness levels of Affies. They will not be able to survive the onslaught from us on the 6 Aug. We will win comfortably this year and in fact will take the all the A/B teams.
@Roger: not sensitive at all, we love to be written off or the underdog!
@Playa: there’s a few I know who we talking about when we say Boishaai. But there’s Rondebosche Boy’s High, Pretoria boys high and alike. So when people speak of any other would be great to know.
@Grasshopper: stop been so sensitive Hopper – every man is allowed an opinion (even Bog) and my opinion is that Glenwood won’t win tomorrow. Apologies if that does not sit well with you…..
If they do win, I will be the first to congratulate you (and them)………
@Ringo: right there is a problem – never under estimate your opponent – hope the “utter disregard” does not come back and bite them!
I never beat Jeppe or Monnas at age group level either and in matric we beat them both comfortably – it’s all on the day and as Wyvern says – the derby nature of the day throws form out the window
I also never lost to Boys High at age group level and then lost in matric – still to this day cannot figure out how
@Ringo:
hopefully next year then. Always tough and always a great contest. All the best for the rest of the season. Hope that amazing team does not end up always wondering if they could have given the boitjies from Braamfontein a beating in 2016? 
Hopefully i’ll be at the KES match tomorrow! The one thing i remember from the more recent fixtures between the two are that the ‘derby’ nature of the game usually makes it closer than expected. I would imagine KES would take it tomorrow by 8 or so points in the end.
With regards to the Saints u16 team, yes they are a good team but not ground breaking! I watched them against KC when they were in Grahamstown and if it weren’t for their size over the KC team, we would have taken them. Hopefully, the two teams will meet again in the next two years
@Quagga: no Helpmekaar no thank you. Too hard too physical win or lose the patient list after the game would be calamitous not this year. Alternate years or at festivals but not every year.Way too many potential einas involved
@Grasshopper: Talking about getting excited, wasn’t 2012 the year that Glenwood lost to Northwood?
@Playa: There’s a bit of a drizzle in the wind in Milpark at the moment. Tomorrow’s weather is not looking particularly great as well but hopefully the weather will clear up from 11am until 5pm
@Playa: no Tv cameras they give our boys an awful case of the gitters….
I truly believe if these boys have one thing that no other Jeppe has never had is an utter disregard for Kes. Their prime obsession was Affies, coupled with jow had Spilly wanted our 8 and 13 also nearly pulled the Mpeku scenario on us 2 years back. Kes has never been within 30 points of these boys through the age groups.
it would be true witchcraft if they win on the 6th Aug
@Roger: We beat Monnas 25-18 in 2012 so were not dominated there. A bit how KES was man-handled by Affies this year.? I mean KES got all excited about beating Northwood at the KES festival….
@Playa: might be a classic clash but not sure – I see Ringo said above that the absence of TV cameras will suit Jeppe so perhaps not.
Can’t find the classic clashes fixtures anywhere though
@Roger: Any chance of this game being televised (doubt it as it’s on the same day as Interschools)/streamed somewhere? It has the makings of an absolute bruiser.
@theblackandwhite: ok – found them on Twitter:
Jeppe vs Affies:
1st lost 32-52
2nd lost 5-24
3rd lost 7-66
u16A won 36-19
u15A lost 24-34
u14A lost 10-15
If I draw a straight linear comparison KES will win u14A, u15A, and 3rds. Jeppe will win 1st and u16A and 2nds will be a draw
However, we all know Jeppe freeze when they play KES – it defines their season so old Spilly will for sure be telling his boys – tackle, tackle, tackle – if they can’t score tries they will get frustrated as all hell and start losing focus. What the above does tell us is that although Jeppe can score from anywhere – there defence ‘aint so hot so KES will get plenty scoring opportunities too – hehehehehehehe
@Quagga: I have watched Monnas vs Glenwood over the years and the boys from the Bluff are always physically dominated. Now they have lost their two most physical players I don’t think they stand much of a chance – especially on the Highveld.
Should be a cracking game though – go the Wit Bulle
@Quagga: Losing our two best & biggest players doesn’t help and the game is at altitude, but no excuses the Green Machine will give it their all.
@Ringo: Your Dream Team are a special bunch. Would have been nice if they played against the young Helpmekaar team. Might have been the game of the year up in Jo’burg.
@Roger: Think KES will take it and it promises to be a good match. As for the Westrand clash it promises to show all of us if Glenwood are actually great this year or just good. Losing against a Monnas side that is arguably not even the top 1XV in the Lions area won’t go down well for them in my view. I will be hoping Monnas can pull it through as I know a number of players personally and this season has not been too kind on some of them. At least the lineout codes won’t post too much of a language problem judging by other comments. Good luck to KES.
@theblackandwhite: Lets compare 1st, 2nd, 3rd and A team results vs Affies:
1st lost 7-61
2nd lost 3-25
3rd lost 3-21
u16A lost 3-20
u15A won 17-15
u14A lost 7-10
how did Jeppe do?
@Vleis: you’re right – that era does shade it – what I love about this LIONS team is how every other province in SA is trying to emulate the way they play. Imitation, after all, is the sincerest form of flattery.
@Hooit: Teams here; http://www.rugby15.co.za/2016/06/premier-interschools-derby-team-announcement-monument-high-vs-glenwood-high/
We have lost our two key enforcers in JJ and Marco, certainly swings it in Monnas favour now. These are the two guys who could actually physically dominate Monnas.
@odie15: Boys High is Pretoria Boys High, Boishaai or Galpille is Paarl Boys High, College is Maritzburg College (sorry St Andrews College) and School is DHS because they turned 150 years young this week.
@Roger: I will also look into my crystal ball. U14 to be very close, u15 – KES to shade this, u16 – Jeppe to win by 30/40 points.
1st team – Jeppe by 30/40. Last year was an odd day and the score doesn’t reflect the game at all. A lot of those boys will be back this year and it looks as though the KES strategy to only play on SA Schools weekend could back fire. Jeppe will be for up this game
@Hooit: JJ out is not a good start, I wonder why…
@Playa: Zigagctly!
@Roger: I beg to differ. Winning the first ever super rugby tourno** (v an Auckland team with 12 AB’s), plus the Lion Cup and CC in the same year…plus winning SA our first ever RWC via a Lions dominated Bok team must surely take the biscuit!
** this gave the country hope after the disastrous tour of France and England the previous year
@odie15: There’s Boishaai…and then there is Boys’ High
@odie15: correct – so as a life long Lions fan I am certainly enjoying the current ride!
Even better than Kitch Christies days!
@Grasshopper: I read an SA rugby magazine article on FB today. Your’e fly is back. 12 moves back to centre and JJ is out.
@Grasshopper: is it possible that when we speak of a Boy’s High we say which please?
@Roger: those players only have 1 happy day and that’s beating the Cavaliers in ’86. In ’87 even the talents of Carel duP scoring in the final couldn’t stop Jannie from crying about his broken bicycle….
@Stier: I will be at brug no doubt. Yes been a tough schedule. And everyone wants an unbeaten scalp. So they will have to lick their wounds quickly and man-up again!
@Valkie: Jip HTSM en Hoerskool Middelburg speel weer Saterday, maar moet nie verbaas wees as MHS die een wen nie.
@Roger: Well, this is the true test of a real fan, I have been a Liverpool supporter since 1979 and still am. We have not won the league in 26 years!! Now that is a proper loyal fan…
@Grasshopper: ah – so now they are your number 2 team
I get it – you are like those millions and millions of Leicester City fans who have suddenly appeared 
No no mate – if you were a Lions fan in the days of Kevin De Klerk, Schalk Naude, Leon Kirkham, Chris Rodgers, Dries Maritz, Hempas Rademeyer, Jannie Breedt, Cameron Oliver, Hendrik Truter etc etc and through the dark days of Loffie Eloff’s reign and super rugby relegation then you are a true fan!!
@Roger: it will be interesting. Think the Dream team will see that game as their legacy defining game. Think will be interesting on the day but that is only in two months time. Still lots of rugga on the cards left
@Ringo: I won’t be so bold but I will say U14’s will be even, KES will shade the U15’s, Jeppe will shade the U16’s and the Open age group will be even.
As for the 1st team – KES will upset the apple cart again
@Roger: Since Kobus Wiese and Francois Pienaar days the Lions have always been my No2 team. But since they have more and more KZN guys playing I am supporting them more. Also, who can not support a team that plays with so much passion. Swys with his KZN connection, Ackers having played with the Sharks, Combrinck, Whiteley, Cronje brothers etc….it’s like a Sharks B team
@Tang: I am debating it I want to take my son to the Zoo…. but might turn our excursion into a visit at Boys High or in my eyes a day at the Botanical gardens estate that is Boys High.
I think your resentment of the turnaround of rugby fortunes at Jeppe has been well documented. I can promise you it was not a quick fix and has been a consistent effort of many people who we are very thankful to and hope they continue their efforts which keep Jeppe a cultural melting pot were kids from all walks of life can interact. I was awfully proud to be at Jeppe when we went winning many rugby matches and will be a proud old boy after we stop winning heavens forbid those days come back. I will reiterate my misunderstood rant about uber and metre taxis adapt or get left behind. We want to be the pillars of the committee and instill a sense of pride and belonging in the boys that attend our school. Potch, Springs and Kimberly Boys High schools which were once formidable institutions were aptly supported by the old boys and inturn were able to shine. When the old boys left schools are just not able to maintain the levels of excellence. Boys High is an incredible school and will survive this minor mishap but if you neglect their cries of the old boys and their offers for assistance the slide to the previbeal badly performing former model C school is rapid and frightening. Losing for the first time in 27 years at home to Parktown should be the sound of the alarm that says a more rapid intervention might be necessary. Just my ten cents from my soap box.
Before a rant about academic results take away the distinction or academic scholarship recipient to all schools and then see. You get smart kids and dumb kids at all schools and some schools are maybe better at getting their kids to do better in the final matric exams than others. But I know for a fact I at varsity the tables are turned on level playing field that is for certain.
@Grasshopper: KES play Monnas next weekend so you can gloat (or not) thereafter
No hatred Hopper – I will support a Lions Union school over an out-of-towner any day of the week.
You a Lions fan – pull the other one? Did that happen only when Whitely took over? I seriously doubt you are a life long Lions fan???
@Roger: OK, English (60%), Afrikaans (5%), Zulu (30%), Xhosa, Venda, Sotho, Ndebele etc….who cares really, exams and teaching is in English, the business language of the world….
@Tang: good luck tomorrow – hope Boys High pull it off and happy Founders Day.
Norman McFarlane was a legend – do you remember the KES chant in those days of “Irish, Irish, Irish” in his honour – he coached three unbeaten teams I think, 73, 74 and 78. 82 lost only once to Queens College on the last game of the season. I think he moved on at the end of 85 season.
I am a big Boys High fan and regard Boys High (along with Jeppe) as KES’s greatest traditional rival so holding thumbs for them tomorrow and into the future.
@Roger: hahaha, well your Lions are being lead by a Shark. I am a Lions supporters too, who wouldn’t support them. KES supporting Monnas, gosh the hatred runs deep….not sure why though.
@Vleis: Yeah, I still don’t like too many under19’s allowed in a side, I would say it should be 3 max. Glenwood have two in Smit and Palvie. I do remember that 2013 Noord Kaap side with about 9 or 10, it just wasn’t fair really…
@Grasshopper: fellow English Medium blah blah blah……
It’s Lions vs Sharks and I’m backing the Lions
If it was Jeppe vs Monnas – different story
@Grasshopper:
To be honest, I don’t mind recruiting – my bugbears are overage players and, to a lesser extent, u19 players.
In any event Glenwood have a free pass in 2016 for winning SANIX and klapping the top Kiwi school.
@Roger: So when do KES play Monnas, that will be interesting. Maybe another Affies day out?
@Roger: St Johns are pretty decent. No doubt they can upset a few bigger schools when they click. I reckon KES will have the upper hand especially if they get good quality ball for the backline.
@Vleis: Not hot under the collar at all, just saying we are an Afrikaans school even without the boys from around the country ;-). I predict a name change to Glenhout Seuns Hoerskool soon….
@Roger: I am confident that strength to strength we will have Kes covered even with all their acquisitions. But seems Kes are managing their players well and specifically for the Jeppe game. Glad to see their season no evolves around that game. I will make a bold sweeping statement about the 6th Aug Jeppe to win all A/B matches easily….. u16a will scare the daylights out of Kes…… will be nice with tge destruction of tv cameras so they will be no bananas allowed on Collard….. but in the interim apologies to all Jeppe supporters for this utterance but come on college …. I will revert to. swearing at them after the final whistle this weekend
@Ringo: I don’t think too much has changed on the Boys High Website. Obviously the D6 communicator is now the main form of internal communication. I presume this is no different for Jeppe. You will notice that Boys High don’t store results indefinitely.
Are you coming through to Pretoria tomorrow? Not sure if you are aware but it is Founders weekend and for the first time in many years Jeppe are being hosted on Founders weekend. This is normally a Boys High VS KES tradition.
I am not sure if it is common knowledge but the current director of rugby has resigned. I reckon he could be going back to Garsfontein. I think he will be a loss as he is clearly starting to bring some structure.
My hope is that Boys High get Paul Anthony back. I often feel that a legendary school boy coach can play a bigger role than a director of rugby.
I see Norman Mc Farlane (Roger will certainly know him) helps out st St Johns – U16 level. I know for sure he is a big Paul Anthony fan and believes he could change the fortunes of Boys High Rugby. Norman coached at Boys High after his stint at KES. He sure was one of the most innovative school boy coaches around and could get the best out of many boys and teams.
One thing I am very proud to say is that Boys High will seek no quick fixes. Boys High will take a long term view of rugby and will build solid, sustainable structures to yield rewards. This may not be the quick fix many are seeking but it will ensure the traditions and ethos Boys High so value will be kept intact.
It is a real pity there aren’t many schools left who value tradition over ambition.
@Roger: So little confidence in your fellow English traditional school? We have a very good chance of taking the under14A, under16A, 2nd’s, 3rds, 4th’s and 5th team games. 1st team it depends what team pitches, if it’s last weeks team then a loss by 15, if it’s the team that beat EG Jansen, Dale, Middelburg, Michaelhouse and winning SANIX then they have a very good chance. I believe FW de Klerk will be there opening up something at the school, so the Monnas boys will be motivated to impress him. However, sometimes being too hyped up plays against you…..lets see what happens…
@Grasshopper: Like clockwork, Grassy pops up all hot under the collar!!
@Ringo: hahaha, well who would have thought Warren Whiteley was from an Afrikaans school on the Bluff! He speaks perfect English and actually sounds like a rooi-nek. Glenwood now just attracts Afrikaans boys who used to go to Port Natal, Gelofte, Voortrekker, Suid Natal, Kuswag, Werda & Durban Academy (ex Andries Pretorius & Dirkie Uys combined). We do have a sprinkling of boere from up North and some from the Cape too. It’s a nice mix.
@Vleis: interesting – I have only watched SJC once on TV when they lost to Parktown in the last second and I liked their hooker, flyhalf and centre. Only opponents they have in common this season are Boys High and St Albans with St Johns having two narrow victories and KES two easier victories – so it does point to a close game but KES at home on reunion day – I can’t see them losing
@Ringo: Oh yes, I forgot that Kevin ‘Masekind’ had taken over there. It was a huge surprise to all of us when he told the UCT fraternity of the SJC offer. But I have a conspiracy theory saying the Lions may have had an invisible hand in the transaction – story for another day. Lot’s of value to be added by him at SJC. If he ever pulls off that Ikey magic again….I’ll be on the hunt for his sangoma’s number. I still don’t think they can beat the Reds tomorrow…but we’ll see.
@Ringo:
@Roger: I’m not close to the Saints u16A team – I only know a few of the boys, as they’re friends’ sons. I suppose that they’re better than what the Saints supporters have become accustomed to over the past five years, so maybe that is why there is some hype. They did beat St Andrew’s College, Kingswood, Hilton, etc…so they’re certainly not too shabby.
@Ringo: so I hear Gordon and Monakali will be back in the third term plus all other injured players and the Mpheku twin injured was not Kennedy………
oh oh – shaping up as another banana skin for Jeppe
@Roger: St Alban’s three worst games of the season (by far) were against KES and SJC (plus Muir), so it’s hard to judge them. That said, my views are:
– KES will dominate the scrums
– Lineouts will be even
– SJC will dominate the loose and tight loose
– KES’s backline is much better on attack, but they’re even on defence
– KES at home on Reunion day gives them an extra 7 points
Overall, I think KES by 12.
@Vleis: what’s so special about the Saints U16A team? Although the KES Saints fixture was called off this year due to rain I see KES beat them at U15 level and lost at U14 level by 1?
@Playa: they can Kevin is varsity cup winning coach think he can match up his wits against the master techtician Mr Spilhaus ….. but would love it if SJC gave them a solid shake up…… in regard to schools websites think Dale should be shouting their superb history from the top of every hill and Jeppe as well think Pta boys high and kes have by far the better websites very informative and always up to date…. but noticed that Pta boys high are so keen on publishing sports results lately was always nice to see all results as they paint a more clearer pic than just the 1 st XV result they we all love so much
@Ringo: you’re dreaming – SJC over KES on reunion day. Pull the other one …………
I’m afraid to say the Green Machine are in for a long day out west as well …..
best of luck to all teams
@Clocktower: The Dale 1sts running around the Grey team while doing their ‘Haka’ before the game probably did not help the ‘robustness’ of that day
I probably would have played against you (as a sub for 3rds) had I not dislocated my collarbone against Queens in the 2nd game of the season that year. I spent the remainder of that season coaching the under 14c&d’s. I recall Mpho Mbiyozo being a nuisance in the 4th team game…I was glad to be on the stand with my arm wrapped in a sling.
Should be a great game of rugby tomorrow. The only guaranteed winner is the game of rugby!
@Ringo: We were late to the ruck on this website thing. Things tend to take their time to reach KWT. But it’s a work in progress, and I can only hope to add value.
Do you really think SJC can pip KES? I am refraining from making predictions this week, as I will be forced to make one for the game at ‘Mattress’ Grey
@Vleis: No Vleis do not say that Glenwood boys are Afrikaneer machines imported from all corners of our land. They are mainly local boys from the bluff who just jol good rugby
#nothingbutloveforGlenwood
@Vleis: Admittedly that Jeppe u16 side is something special – never have I seen such size out wide. KC took 6-26, and took it running! Will pass on your son’s best wishes to Mr M! A scholar and a gentleman!
@Ringo: Although a loss to Glenwood would not be against “Engelsmanne”!
@Griffhound: Further to my comments above, I presume that the tutor is SM?
@Vleis: Good observation. I think that you are 100% correct. Saints in JHB next year appears to be a completely different proposition. Time will tell.
@Grasshopper: maybe he meant untouchable in the northern surburbs of Joburg…. think the glenwood u 16 b would give saints a 50 this year…. Saints lost 49 nil to Jeppe in the rain would probably been 100 if the conditions underfoot where not so bad on that day….
Goodluck in Westrand tomorrow it us dark and scary corner of the world there and Hans does not like losing to Engelsmanne
But the green machine might have more than a fighting chance
@Grasshopper: They are a decent team, but that OB is getting carried away – they lost at home by 49 to 0 v Jeppe u16A, so they’re certainly not untouchable.
@Vleis: some Saints dude on Twitter about a week ago, saying their under16 side is untouchable and that only KES will challenge them next year, had a little giggle. Blinkers comes to mind…
@Grasshopper: All the best mate – despite some of the vitriolic slander that comes GW way (some admittedly self-inflicted in the past – let the past be the past), I have absolute admiration that the Hoppers have the courage of their convictions in taking on the best SA SBR can offer. GW has certainly led the way in KZN in this respect, and blazed the first path into what has become an area where KZN angels have feared to tread. Hats off to GW!
Very interested to see the outcome of the u16A game. KC went down 29-10 against GW in a game where GW let themselves down in the finishing department (albeit in the face of some very determined KC defence). GW has a LW in a very good back-line (injury precluded GK selection), who must surely have a massive future. He has simply got it all – size, speed, a step, vision and great hands. Reminds me of myself in my youth
Good luck! If GW win, have one for me. And if they don’t – have one anyway.
@Griffhound: Those scores aren’t surprising as Saints were weak, by their standards, in the past five years (esp. ’14 & ’15) and the earlier games co-incided with Kearsney dream teams – Dup brothers etc. However, about three years ago, Saints started offering more rugby scholarships at grade 8 level. The first crop are coming through in grade 11 this year, so I expect the results to get closer from next year, as is evidenced by the age group results over the past few years:
2016 (Saints results first):
U16A Lost 12 – 29
U15A Draw 26 – 26
U14A Lost 12 – 17
2015 (Saints results first):
U16A Won 32 – 19
U15A Lost 23 – 27
U14A Lost 17 – 20
@Playa: nice content and context given to what is surely going to be cracker hope Amadoda take it…. you should be generating content for the Dale website our writing their history almanac this must come from the relm of ungoogleable facts….
My ill fated attempts at SBR results predictions:
Dale by 4 points
SJC by 8 points over the REJECTS come on College!!!!
DHS to out sprint college the awakening of a sleeping gaint from a decade long slumber
Jeppe to enjoy their time in the sunshine against Boys High and as the Aitken and Boden Hockey challenge winners we might even steal their lunch at Hockey too cause as always our hockey is very strong
@playa
Thanks for the info – interesting reading.
I was playing in King for Grey in 1999 – was robust indeed. My debut for the 3rd team in standard 8 was quite a tough game!
Should be a great game on Sat.
@Griffhound: Believe it or not, I watched most of your current 1st team lose by about 70 to Jeppe in 2014 when they were u16, so as you say, anything can happen when a side clicks. Also, the current Saints 1st team is pretty good on attack but does concede a lot of points.
As you say, Bennies away will be a much trickier prospect, but I think that Kearsney’s style might be tailor made to beat Bennies. I hope that I am wrong because although I’ve had my differences with Bennies, we need the Grogper Cup points!!
Your son’s tutor, was my son’s tutor at St Alban’s! My son was very sad to see him leave, as he got on very well with him and held him in high regard. Please pass on my son’s best wishes to him.
@Vleis: Just did a quick check re KC vs Saints scores over the last 5 years alternating home/away, I was correct that KC has put some big scores against them in the past (KC first):
2012: 49-13
2013: 62-0
2014: 65-21
2015: 41-10
2016: 82-5
But, next year is another year and we start 0-0. Although losing something like 31-13 to KC U16A (again, flattered a small, determined KC a bit), the Saints u16A side showed a lot of potential, which they must have with 5 players in the LIONS GK A-team Final Trials team (not sure if final team has been chosen)
Please let the next Saints we play (hopefully soon) be St Albans – my son’s tutor at KC taught at St A (now coaches KZN GK and KC 2nd XV) – and he speaks very fondly of his days there.
@CyndiAtRugby: It’s a nice App but unfortunately not on IOS :-(. Luckily I’ll be there watching live :-)
@Griffhound: Thanks boet, going in without Palvie and the 1st choice flyhalf (I think it’s Francke) will be tough, but K Smit should come in and Holtzhausen is a good replacement. I’ll be there watching with interest, also down the line our sides have something to prove.
Not sure how many of you have discovered the SPScores app on your phone. The Glenwood vs Monnas A teams, 1sts and 2nds games will be covered. Go to the Apps Store, look for SPScores and select the red icon. From there its just a matter of chosing your sport and your game.
@Vleis: Had I gone to DHS, I would have been a 4th generation DHS “School” boy so I do have a soft spot for them. It hasn’t been a pleasant experience witnessing their demise on the rugby field. It’s just a win would be massive in their lives especially against traditional foe – College. How inspiring could that prove to be for the next generation coming through the ranks!
Re KC vs Saints- An 82-5 score perhaps flattered KC in terms of the fact that at 10mins, there was no score, and at 20mins 14-0. KC were without key players incl 2 x CW selections BUT IMHO you cannot underestimate such factors as:
– A solid wider squad, the seeds of which are sown well before and in the build-up to/at KERF.
– It is a massive honour at KC to wear the 2nd XV Two-Stripe jersey so you don’t lose accomplished players, who are always knocking on the door.
– The style of KC running rugby has the potential to run up big scores in certain situations/circumstances. Quick ball, hard running, quick backs with great back/forward interaction can kill you. Saturday was testament.
– Added to this, a lot of the current 1st XV players in Grade11 last year were part of the KZN winning 7’S SQUAD – they know how to run and carve you up (if you stand back and let them.)
– Whilst 82 seems a bit excessive, over the last 4/5 years, I don’t think KC have put less than 40 against Saints – and this is meant with all due respect/ absolutely no arrogance intended. Just that I guess that we all have our hoodoo sides?
We go to another Saints (Bennies) next week, where I believe KC will struggle – the big wheel turns
From the Old Dalian Union:
A 98-Year-old Rugby fixture!
Dale College of King William’s Town Vs. Grey High School of Port Elizabeth
Dale College travel to Port Elizabeth on the 6 June 2016 to play their 95th game at first XV level against the usually polished Grey High School First Rugby XV. Grey will host Dale from Junior School rugby level all the way through to the First XV.
The origins and development of this fixture 98 years ago makes for interesting reading. Association football (soccer) was discontinued at the end of the 1916 season at Dale where Rugby had official parallel standing from 1910. The First World War no doubt had an effect on sport and competitive rugby was affected as well. On the Border rugby at school boy level was only played by Dale and Selborne Colleges. The need to find more Schoolboy rugby teams became an imperative. Dale played against Adult rugby sides hence the ability to travel by train to Port Elizabeth enabled these two great schools to be able to establish sporting and particularly rugby relations. The 1918 rugby season saw a new Dale College opponent, Grey High School from Port Elizabeth.
Dale travelled to that city to play Grey High School in that inaugural match on the 23 May 1918. Dale was successful by 6-5. What is unique about the First Team fixtures against Grey is that during that 1918 season the two schools met three times and all because of the pleasures or the inconvenience of train travel!
Grey had travelled by train to King Williams Town for the return game losing 0-5 on a Saturday afternoon. History shows that the return train journey back to Port Elizabeth was only late afternoon on the following Monday. This meant that the Grey boys had time on their hands to kick their heels in King William’s Town, attend classes at Dale or arrange another rugby match.
Rugby was the popular choice to while away the time and another game was hastily arranged and received “official” blessings from Dale and no doubt from the Grey travelling party as well. The result was a pointless draw
A blemish on the long standing and cordial relations between Dale and Grey occurred after Grey was defeated by Dale in King William’s Town during the 1999 fixture. The Grey Headmaster arrived at Dale supposedly under instructions from his SGB to cancel future sporting contacts and particularly rugby fixtures. The reason being that the Dalians were “too robust” in their style of play. After a “Headmaster to Headmaster” heated discussion” it was eventually decided to not have the 2000 fixture and to cool the one sided accusations of over robust play.
Now that fixture was never cancelled but only on paper at First XV level. Thanks to Graeme College. Both schools were invited to play at the Graeme College Rugby Day in 2000. Clearly the hosts had a clever marketing department and saw an opportunity to have Dale and Grey meet each other in Grahamstown.
There have been many outstanding games of rugby between these two great schools. The spoils have been in the main competitive encounters with the occasional “run away” wins for both sides. Dale an established pioneer of Development Rugby XV has battled against Grey over the last 10 years.
To put this into perspective let’s look at the following statistics.
From 1918 to the end of the 1991 season the stats read:
Played 70 Won 30 Lost 30 Drawn 10 Dale Points 562 Grey Points 567
From 1918 to 2015 season the complete statistics read:
Played 94 Won 37 Lost 47 Drawn 10 Dale Points 969 Grey Points 1146
This reflects a 10 point to 12 points average to Grey!
History stats are heavily stacked against Dale and putting money on a Dale win will be left to a few very brave spectators and commentators. However, rugby and the bounce of the ball can turn games around and against all expectations and predictions. For Dale it has become almost impossible to win a rugby game at the “Fortress Grey”.
Winning in Port Elizabeth is not something the current group of Dale First XV boys have ever witnessed. Dale hasn’t managed to win in Port Elizabeth for the past 22 years (1994) this means that the current Dale First XV players haven’t witnessed a First Team Home or Away win against Grey since entering senior school.
That being said there is never any underestimating of either side by the opposing teams. Grey are fortunate in having a much wider feeder base of pupils to give much depth of rugby talent. That talent is developed in much the same way as at Dale to bring the best out of the individual player to the benefit of the team.
The prize for the spectators is to see rugby played by the perceived Number one schoolboy rugby sides from the Border and Eastern Province Rugby Regions.
Looking at the season to date both sides have been highly successful and everyone at the Grey on Saturday will see some very attractive rugby played by mobile rugby players. Dale will battle at forward but given an opportunity, the, lightning fast Dale back line will impress.
This season and against the same opponents Grey has scored 4 more points and Dale conceded 2 less points making the points difference only 2 points for the year.
Both sides have played 13 games and scored almost 500 points conceding 150 points to date.
Dale winning 12 and only losing to Glenwood.
Grey managing 11 wins with losses to Paul Roos and Daniel Pienaar.
We all wish both sides a happy and entertaining game on Saturday and may rugby also be the overall winner.
AMADODA!
A bit in two minds which game to go and watch in JHB tomorrow. KES vs. St. Johns promises to be a great occasion, as does Monnas hosting Glenwood. It’ll be a toss up between gees versus power. Decisions, decisions….Perhaps the ideal time to make that expensive Explora work a bit for the greater good, and see both matches. I think the Krugersdorp match is going to a bone crushing affair but anyone who has ever seen the Reds old boys gather in their hordes to support their team knows what an occasion the Houghton derby is going to be.
@Vleis: I see that now. Thank you for pointing it out.
@Griffhound: A colleague is attending the DHS OB weekend – a massive occasion, which started on Wed or Thurs. So, there will be much more support than usual for DHS, but also a lot more pressure.
How did Kearsney manage to hammer Saints by so much with so many injuries. I see that their 2nds lost to Saints though.
I really enjoyed meeting some of the Clifton parents at the Saints fest. Indeed, I supported Clifton thereafter – even against Saints (shh
), which was a very close game until the latter ran away with it in the last 15 minutes.
@Griffhound: Clifton has surely done a great job in establishing themselves as a rugby school. I also noticed that they have decent teams from 1st down to u14 which is excellent work for the future. The 1st result since 2013
Campbell vs Clifton 10-17
Campbell vs Clifton 22-29
Campbell vs Clifton 17-24
The game is scheduled for an early kick-off at 11h15. Good luck to both schools and may the best school on the day. Take the win
@akw
Dit is sekerlik te laat?
@stier
Dankie dit sal seker vandag dan wees lyk of meeste ander provincies al gekies het,
@Naastrolia: die onder/13 het gister gehoor. Ek neem aan al die spanne sou gister gehoor het. Ek kon nog nie my hande op ‘n lys kry nie.
@odie15: …of jy kan Brug straat toe ry en daar gaan kyk.
Moet se HJS het ‘n tawwe vyf wedstryde…. Affies, GCB, PRG, Oakdale en Boland Landbou….dit gaan baie geluk kos om all 5 hierdie games te wen. Die seuns se lywe gaan op wees.
Sterkte Bois sien julle saterdag in die Paarl…..
@Naastrolia: Klink eers 20 Junie.
Any news on the WP craven week team?
@Leelu: Vra jy oor die feit dat hy /15 is? Sover ek weet mag /15’s by die GK Week speel.
@Leelu: Dit is moontlik. As n skool dink n speler is goed genoeg kan hul hom proewe toe stuur en is hy deel van die proses. Ek dink Helpmekaar se 6 flank het vir die o16 akademie span gespeel toe hy 15 was.
@burra: As a new blogger, I’m going to join you and stick my neck out on the KZN fixtures – not in complete agreement:
– DHS vs College: How good is it to see a resurgent DHS! Great for KZN SBR. I’m going for an inspirational School win at home hopefully to inspire the boys onto some momentum into the future – beyond all the 150th efforts. With a strong, if erratic u16A, there is certainly talent – may a win be the spark to reignite a fine rugby tradition of past years. DHS by 7.
– N/W vs S/C: Bashie has done some good things @ N/W this year. His efforts to be rewarded at last with the Knights squeaking a 5 point win.
– Ville vs MHS: My heart is with my alma mater at home. My head continues to be scratched given the season’s underperformance. A win for Ville by 10 – if only to give @star a reason to venture back to Waxy’s after the game (if he hasn’t drank the establishment dry beforehand!)
– Clifton vs GC: Sorry @burra – a win for the Clifton boys. I watch with interest how this school has gone about building rugby at Innes Rd – hopefully to replicate the massive success at WP, cricket and hockey. They have not been scared to take their boys away to bigger festivals and play more established rugby schools, where invariably they’ve struggled at times. This should be rewarded with a win (by at least 6). This will be a school to spring some surprises in the future – we need more strength in KZN SBR. Some of it will come from Clifton in the future.
– KC vs HC: KC will be eager for revenge after tossing it in the away fixture, but decimated with injuries will make this a tall order. Founders Day on Stott may just be the inspiration needed. An interesting side-show will be the battle of the two KZN CW FH’s – if the KC FH makes it onto the park. KC have been a joy to watch this season. I’m going with my heart – a very tight affair with a 2 point win for KC and a spectacular night of revelry in the Greyhound.
– GW vs Wit Bulle: As a KZN boytjie – nothing less than a win for GW. Injuries in key positions most notably at 8 and 10 will be a challenge, but the experience in the pressure pot of Japan will have taught them the value of working with an expanded squad. @Grasshopper – good luck mate!
Let’s all hope for some great rugby and no more injuries! Tick Tock …
@Quagga: Sounds like a great game and a good occasion. By the way, Jeppe havn’t played Bennies this year at 1st team level. Their match v Bennies was abandoned at HT due to a waterlogged pitch after a downpour during the first half.
@BrotherBear: I found the red card after the final whistle weird in the u16 Helpmekaar vs. St. Benedicts game. I enquired about it and the players said the clearly aggitated player from St.B walked right up to the ref after the match for all to see and told him loudly “you are f@#$* bias”. The resultant action from the ref, who may or may not be a hell of a poker player judging by all the cards up his sleeve, hit him with the Joker.
Helpies vs. St. Bennys was a tough encounter. My perceptions of the game were that Helpies indeed have good enough depth for now to keep afloat until some of the first choice players return from injury. The stand in players played with a lot of heart and did the brown jersey proud. The winger Van Tonder was the man of the match in his first start and defended exceptionally well, as did the outside centre Randall. I thought St.B was good at getting possession from their own ball in the scrums and generally competitive in the loose and I was impressed with the number of line breaks, especially by the #12 Erin. The Helpie lineouts were superb with a 100% success ratio and in contrast St.B struggled tremendously at lineout time. Helpmekaar seemed to struggle at tighthead, but their performance was better than against Waterkloof a few days ago. St.B suffered some injuries upfront during the game leading to uncontested scrums later in the match which was frustrating. The ‘contest’ upfront was described by a frontrower of Helpies afterwards as tougher than Monnas or Klofies and second only to their Boishaai clash. A compliment to St.B. indeed. An early re-curring injury to the Helpies flyhalf probably contributed to the somewhat lack-lustre performance at the back and handling and timing seemed offish at times. One of the interesting elements of this game seemed the preference by both teams to run from everywhere in this match and thus the kicking game was very limited. I thought the standard of refereeing was not great because of poor decisionmaking regarding the offside lines in open play and I got the impression he is keeping St.B in the game a bit by it. Credit to St.B they used this to create pressure on the Helpies backline which also lead to quite a few errors but also resulted in some conflict and hence a few cards. At least two of the cards, one to each team, were due to high tackles and I thought they were justified. By managing the real problem the ref could have made a better contribution I thought. I tried to sense the mood of the crowd and the recently infamous cheerleading but I thought the spirit among all was great and I thought those enthusiastic cheerleaders brought a bit of gees to the event. The parents around us were friendly and chatting about the game and afterwards I had a chat to 2 of the big St.B forwards and they were polite and complimentary about the Helpies efforts. I spoke to some Helpies players and they enjoyed it and one of the frontrankers even said the St.B players were hard guys but very nice to compete against. The winning margin was larger than the recent Jeppe win over St.B so I still think that a Helpies vs. Jeppe game would be a match of note and I also thought the St.Bennys team have the qualities to take on a KES or a Monnas this year (at first team level). I hope the two schools play against one another next year again.
@Vyfster: Jislaaik, Vyfster! Ek hou kwaai van jou!! Jy gee ten minste objektiewe, en realistiese kommentaar, sonder voor be- oordeling!! Keep it up , young man!!
If northwood play like they did against Hilton they should beat St Charles quite well. Not sure where they have been all season but they really played with some pace and power last week. Hilton had a game on their hands and without Angus might have had another loss to NW.
Hope they bring that same passion.
@Grasshopper: No, I actually schooled there before I became a Campbellite. Rugby there now is quite poor from Queensburgh high (formely boys) and Werda skool. last time I check they only fielded 2 teams.
@Vleis: There’s more boys it’s more like a 25/30 ratio of girls. Thanks for the best wishes guys.
This year’s results haven’t been so good. won an average nite series. we played p/natal and R’bay at kings park won both. won the kzn/Gauteng fest also won against hilcrest and kingsway convincingly . lost games against nwood 36-16 , st Charles 41-25 , voortrekker 48-28 , DHS and Hilton 66-11 42-5 .
@sewes Hoop jou seun se besering is reg voor hierdie naweek se wedstryd. Ons het hom nodig.
Vinnige vraag: Hoe is dit moontlik dat ‘n o15 speler in die Blou Bulle o16 Grant Komo span is?
Sien uit na ‘n lekker naweek teen Garsfontein. Sterkte aan alle Waterkloof spanne – en Garsfontein
@burra: I think that Kearsney will win comfortably at home to get revenge for the loss at Hilton earlier this year…and I think that Ville will beat House at home.
What are GC’s results like this season? I see that the school has 1,000 pupils. Are they split 50/50 girls/boys, or are there more boys? Good luck.
@burra: Thanks for the support Burra, I’m assuming you from the Burra. My dad grew up in Northdene in the 60’s, sounded like an awesome place back then. Good luck vs Clifton
I’m gonna give it a go and throw my bones for the kZN fixtures
DHS to pull off a close one on their founders.
St charles to grab a close win away from home
Hilton/kearsney to close to call. Draw maybe
House by 20 against ville
Glenwood/Monnas backing the hoppers to victory after a wake-up call last week
Lastly expecting a taught one on our OB’s Day backing Campbell to end 3 year drought against Clifton. I mean “iThemba alibulali”>(Hope does not kill)
@deecee: Yep, let’s call off the “debate” as we’re clearly seeing things completely differently.
I’m glad that you were well hosted…and good luck to KES for their rest of their season too.
@Roger: The results are similar to the past few years, but further back there were staggers for the lower teams/team. KES has comfortably more than double the teams/players, plus St Alban’s offer no rugby scholarships at grade 8, or grade 11
As such, it’s a miracle that the 1st team even had a 50/50 chance of winning. I think that the results will start to narrow in future, as the new coaching set-up and scholarships (hopefully in future) start to take effect. Remember that St Alban’s has about half the rugby teams of Saints and SJC even, so are punching way above their weight-class.
Glenwood vs Monnas preview; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA4Fxt3wyac&feature=youtu.be
@Vleis: I see KES did not lose a game….it’s not usually so one-sided vs St Albans?
1st w 22-5
2nd w 33-0
3rd w 65-0
4th w 60-0
U16A w 45-7
U16B w 64-0
U15A w 31-12
U15B w 64-0
U14A w 60-0
U14B w 55-3
@vleis the second try was at the far end of the field relative to my vantage point. I can thus not comment.
What I will end in saying is that it was a great day at St Albans and we were superbly hosted. All the matches were played in a great spirit with both schools showing a great deal of passion and enthusiasm. Which after all is what school rugby is all about. Trust your team has a great run in to the end of the season! May you have decent referees as well!!
Kearsney vs Hilton on our Founders. Going to be a cracker!
jislaaik, nou het ek my mond verby gepraat…ek besef nou eers dis ‘n home game vir Boishaai…dit verander situasie aansienlik.
Die ander interessantes gaan Eldoraigne/Wonderboom wees….and Hilton Kearsny also promise much
good luck to all the teams!
This might be a weekend of surprises……especially in the Western Cape.
Paul Roos, Stellenberg……beware…. even Gim might be shocked.
For the first time this season I will do what only fools do……predict a loss for Boishaai….time will probably prove me wrong, but what i have seen of Oakdale in the 1st half against GCB, convinced me that they can beat any team in SA, wind or not.
Conversely, judging by the second half, they can also be beaten by any team in SA, so which team will pitch up?
Time will tell…but i think they have a realistic chance….but we’ve heard that song before, so i’ll probably eat humble pie come Saturday
Up north Monnas/Glenwood is hard to call.
Ben Vorster should dispose easily with Tom Naude….they better….after committing the near mortal sin of losing against both Helpies and PHS in same season…lol….but they should get a second crack at PHS in Limpopo finals….and maybe meet Helpies again in beeld play-offs…so hope springs eternal.
I suppose the other big one must be Grey PE vs Dale….should be a humdinger, judging respective results
@deecee: I didn’t say that the ref was biased, he just happened to be vary harsh on SAC and lenient on KES.
As Greenblooded (who is a ref and an ex prop even) admitted yesterday, refs struggle with the scrums, so a very small ref (apologies for using ‘poodle’, which is not a dignified metaphor) has even less chance of knowing what’s going on, as he’s very unlikely to have played in the front row. So, given that there is clear doubt what was going on (Bulls coach thought your loosie was scrumming in and up) how could he simply assume that our prop infringed six times in a row, plus give him a yellow and not tell him what he was “doing wrong”? Also, KES shoved early in just about every scrum but he never blew them once.
The fact that your 8 received a yellow has nothing to do with the repeated KES infringements that happened thereafter…or are you suggesting that once a team has received a yellow, there is a free pass to infringe with no consequences thereafter?
Yes, it was a mistake not to take the points, but the team felt that they were in a position to score a try and our regular kicker was out with concussion. They won’t make that mistake again.
What is your view re the obvious double movement for the second try?
@BrotherBear: I agree, the referee (later flagman) you refer to was really shocking.
@deecee: @Vleis: well – there you have it – who would be a ref
@Ooorkant Loftus: yes monnas on ss1, and you can also stream Boishaai v Oakdale game is streamed live via Youtube at 12h30 on Saturday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlO4tSJYyPo
@vleis I agree that the ref was below par on Saturday. He may have been incompetent at this level but was in no way biased.
What has the refs physical size or apparent lack thereof(poodle??) got to do with it?
I thought he blew your tighthead correctly- he stood up and pulled back in nearly every scrum. Might I add that the KES loosehead is in the final craven week A side at the moment. He has had a very good season to date.
The ten minute time period you refer to when St Albans put KES under enormous pressure- I agree that there were many infringements. What I would say is that I thought your captain made a gross error in not taking the kicks when he had a number of opportunities. May I also remind you that the Kes 8 was yellow carded for repeated infringements during this time. Perhaps you forgot.
I believe the St Albans team had their opportunities but were just not patient enough. The ref did not influence the final outcome- the thirty players did.
@Kattes-Strofes: Stellenberg will make a huge mistake if they underestimate Brackenfell. Although both schools played a couple of the big boys, I think that Stellenberg is physically exhausted. They have played every Saturday since Wildeklawer against some of the top 10 teams in the country. It’s going to be tough to get the players to perform one more time before a well deserved break. Should be a good game though.
@Roger: They must be psychotic. I could list about 20 times that he cocked up in favour of KES, but I’ll mention just two. St Alban’s was up by 5 to 0 but then he penalised our tight-head (Bulls AW player by the way) about five times in a row, which resulted in all KES’s 10 first half points and took the momentum away from St Alban’s. Then, to add insult to injury, he gave said prop a yellow card on the stroke of HT for said scrumming. As Greenblooded (a ref and ex prop) admitted yesterday, very few refs know what’s going on in the front row, so I am 100% certain that the ref on Sat had zero clue as: a) the Bulls u21 coach thought that the KES loose-head was scrumming in and up; b) the ref was the size of a poodle; and c) when asked why he was being penalised the ref refused to explain and told the prop to ask his captain, who is a scrum-half??
In the second half, when St Alban’s were 15 to 5 down (after the ref awarded KES a try after a clear double movement), they were attacking on KES’s line for about ten minutes. KES kept on collapsing mauls, coming in from the side, etc..so were blown up and told about six times that it was their final warning, but they never received the yellow.
To be fair, St Alban’s then started playing poorly too. The boys just wish that they could have another crack with a different referee.
@BrotherBear: Thanks mate. Five yellows + one red at u16 level sounds a bit extreme – a complete culture shock to us
Hopefully an open, running game where the boys give it gas and have fun with new mates made. First time KC playing Bennies – let you know the score/feedback afterwards. Best for Helpies u16 going forward – our game was played in great spirit. You have the makings of a very good side there – lekker boys!
@Vleis: hehehe
@Griffhound: I concur with @Vleis, although the Helpies U/16 side is presently not performing as a unit and I thought the Bennies U/16 side was their best side (of A teams). The mentioned Bennies team played attractive rugby, being very competitive at the rucs and good speed at the back. Much more physical than the U14 and U15’s. Some unfortunate niggle up front which resulted in players lingering amongst each other (sharing pleasantries and such), with some pushing and shoving. Be prepared for feisty opposition.
@Vleis: Thanks mate – much appreciated. KC is a very small side but you can be guaranteed of big heart – punched above its weight all season except in the case of Jeppe u16A, the physical size of which was a big eye-opener!
@Vleis: I wasn’t there but chatted to a few mates you were watching and – funnily enough – they think the ref blew it all St Albans way – who would want to be a ref heh
@Griffhound: Helpies were down by 13 to 12 but scored in the last minute to win by 19 to 13. The Bennies u16A team is pretty good, but they’ve lost three in a row now (24-32 to Boys High and 10-13 v Parktown), so will be short on confidence.
@BrotherBear: Any chance of an u16A score in the Bennies/Helpies encounter? KC up in JHB for the w/end has got Bennies next week whilst KC managed to scrape a win against Helpies in a hard, close game at Jeppe u16A festival earlier in the season. On the day, Helpies probably received the best that KC could offer – just wondering what we can expect next week?
@BrotherBear: Sounds like your boys struggled a bit against Bennies – maybe Helpies is also a “soccer school”?
On a more serious note, I share your concern re referees. The ref that officiated the St Alban’s v KES match last Saturday had a MASSIVE impact on the result and would not let the game flow.
In the Western Cape, there is two mouth watering fixtures this week-end, that will be of interest to me.
I expect Boland Landbou will demolish DF Malan. Paarl Gim will overpower their hosts Rondebosh and Paul Roos will beat Sacs, although the latter will give them problems, especially up front.The Southern Suburbs derby between Bishops and Wynberg will also be close.
The two matches I am looking forward to, is the Boishaai clash against the Riversdale boertjies of Oakdale. Both schools are playing quality rugby, and although Boishaai will be favourates, they cannot under estimate the visitors, who will be hungry to inflict a first defeat on their hosts. As the record shows, they are having a stellar season, and only lost to Grey Bloem at Wildeklawer, after leading at half time. As I mentioned earlier, they ran out of steam on that occasion, but I am sure that their fitness has since showed vast improvement. I am not being modest here. This is going to be a humdinger!
The other match I think will be worth while, is the unofficial battle for the no.1 position in the premier B league between home team Brackenfell and Stellenberg. Both these schools have played a few matches against Premier A schools this year, and although not recording a victory as of yet, they came very close at occasions.
Stellenberg is a strong favourate, and with Brackenfell missing their infuential no.10 Quan Eymann, through injury, the Brakkies may battle to get their dangerous outside backs
in the match. Up front ,there should be a huge battle between two evenly matched packs. Stellenberg will need to watch out in the set scrums, for the lightning fast striking foot of the Brakkies hooker.Apparantly, he took 6 tightheads against Paarl Gim(2 had to be re-taken for the scrum not being straight) and another 5 this past weekend against a strong Sacs pack of forwards. His performance was even applauded by the Sacs forwards coach, and well known and celebrated hooker, Andrew Patterson.
Black Mamba would be an appropriate nick name, don’t you think?
@Ooorkant Loftus: Monnas vs Glenwood. 13h00 on SS 201 and 210
Ek wil net seker maak. Speel Middelburg Hoërskool en HTS Middelburg nie teen mekaar hierdie naweek nie? Dit is veronderstel om die semi-finaal van die Mpumalanga Makroskole te wees vir die 1ste spanne. Dalk is daar bepaal dat HTS Middelburg outomaties deur is finaal toe omdat hulle ook vir Middelburg gewen het? want die 2de, 3de en B-spanne bepaal wenners?
@Knight_CHS07: How do you rate your boys’ chances? Reckon this is when they’ll turn their season around? Grens haven’t been their usual fiery self this season
Helpmekaar beat St Benedicts 31 – 16, last night in an extremely loose and scrappy match. Well done to the Bennies boys for coming out with their guns blazing and never letting off. One can see they are passionate and hungry for achievement. Helpmekaar did not play their traditional game, trying to keep the ball alive at all costs, which resulted in numerous handling errors and scrums. School-field spotlights are not ideal for a high paced game, and added to the woes.
One could also see that some of the boys have Craven week (and other youth weeks) in the back of their mind and tried to stay out of trouble. At this stage Helpies have 13 boys spread across the shadow Lions teams and Bennies have 8, with the next provincial matches coming up on Tuesday 7 June. A few boys from Bennies left the field early with injuries – hope they recover soon. Helpies have also had their fair share of injuries, with three boys not returning this season at all.
I read previous comments w.r.t. Bennies cheerleaders being a bit overzealous and unnecessarily sweeping up the crowd (showing some disrespect at times) . Did not experience that last night, although the supporters were quite loud and supportive.
Lions referee was good but heavily influenced by a Lions flagman, who was again heavily influenced by a Bennies coach (or supporter). Several yellow cards dished out for offences seen (and duly reported to the referee) by only these aforementioned 2 gentlemen. This “flagman” was the U/16 match referee, where he dished out five yellow cards and one red card – spectators from both sides were laughing at his performance. This cannot be good enough – or what?
On the other side, I have to mention a really excellent referee (only black official on the day) that officiated at Waterkloof on Saturday. Think it was the U/16 or 2nd team game. Players also had some niggles, which he handled quickly and without too much “preaching”. He allowed the game to flow and was fair. You could see he enjoyed his task.
@ BEET > is there any televised schoolboyrugby games this weekend?
Monument vs Glenwood one of the bigger games of this weekend I think.
Cambridge vs Grens this weekend also