| Rank | Team | Avg |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Grey College | 4.70 |
| 2 | HJS Paarl | 4.65 |
| 3 | Paarl Gim | 4.44 |
| 4 | Affies | 4.23 |
| 5 | Oakdale | 3.81 |
| 6 | EG Jansen | 3.68 |
| 7 | Jeppe | 3.64 |
| 8 | Paul Roos | 3.63 |
| 9 | Boland Landbou | 3.43 |
| 10 | Monument | 3.42 |
| 11 | Grey PE | 3.31 |
| 12 | Selborne | 3.28 |
| 13 | Dale College | 3.18 |
| 14 | Outeniqua | 3.06 |
| 15 | SACS | 3.04 |
| 16 | Helpmekaar | 2.93 |
| 17 | Garsfontein | 2.85 |
| 18 | Diamantveld | 2.82 |
| 19 | DHS | 2.73 |
| 20 | Kearsney | 2.73 |
| 21 | Welkom Gim | 2.67 |
| 22 | Hilton | 2.63 |
| 23 | Ben Vorster | 2.56 |
| 24 | Voortrekker (Bethlehem) | 2.50 |
| 25 | Pietersburg | 2.50 |
| 26 | Kingswood | 2.46 |
| 27 | Worcester Gim | 2.41 |
| 28 | Queens College | 2.36 |
| 29 | Stellenberg | 2.31 |
| 30 | Nelspruit | 2.28 |
*Glenwood excluded for now on basis of too few matches played in SA.
@BoishaaiPa: I remember Rohan Janse Van Rensburg was in that Bulls team in 2012 and was impossible to contain. Now he’s playing with a lot of that 2012 Lions team – Marx, Brink, Smith, vd Walt – Bulls loss – Lions gain, although, the Bulls do have some great young centres too.
@Orbit: I understand that a lot of people are upset about the make up of the team, I haven’t been following all of this as closely as some but Monnas has probably been the dominant rugby school in Gauteng the last decade. They probably are in the top 10 most years so it stands to reason that they deserve to have the bulk of the CW team…
It also sounds like it must be a tough task to coach these teams, if they are still in trials. They must get like a month to get all these kids from different schools and coach them a game plan – plus the bulk are in matric and writing mid years and their school games. The provincial teams probably get about 10 sessions together – that’s tough.
But you are right the CW coach should try coach the team according to the strengths of the whole team.
@BoishaaiPa</a@Hooit: I certainly wasn’t saying the selectors are from Monnas. Im saying that the bulk of selections have been Monnas players and combinations and in most years rightly so.
@Roger: Yes..43-0..In 2011 they lost to OFS and in 2013 they lost to WP…
@theblackandwhite: the Lions made the final three years in a row if memory serves – 2011, 12 and 13 – I do remember the one year they got drilled by the Bulls in the final – think it was 2012
Ek dink Wes Transvaal het een jaar op n Dinsdagaand, dink 84 of 85, vir n sterk Noord Transvaal op Olenpark in Potch gewen.
Geen Wes Transvaler het daai jaar Springbokspan gekry……..fnokken tragies.
Robert du Preez het so jaar of wat later Pretoria toe getrek en Bok geword
Moral of the Story?
Trek Krugersdorp toe
@BuffelsCM: Ekskuus ! Jy is reg! Dit is Dinsdag en vind nou blykbaar plaas by Bellville. Die WP spanne moet eers deur die unie goedgekeur word, voordat dit bekend gemaak word. Jy is mos nou in die sisteem, kan jy dit nie asb. vir ons deurgee wanneer dit uit is nie?
@theblackandwhite: I have it as Carl Spilhause from Kes and Botter from Florida is the A team coaches. Think Monnas has 1 selector on the panel.
@Speartackle: Dit was n afsluiting
@Orbit: are the coaches/selectors from Monnas?
@theblackandwhite: the rouble is that because Monnas have dominated team selections for so long, the lions team often play like Monnas which doesnt necessarily suit the best players. The helpmekaar/jeppe/kes backlines are exciting. Hopefully they will run the ball
@Orbit: Thanks so much. Lets hope the Lions get a decent team this year, if memory serves me correctly the Lions have been one of the weaker teams in recent times at CW – not great for such a big union.
@theblackandwhite: He is U19, and he has missed many games through injury. He is only making a come back now
@Ringo: haven’t been to that many games this year. Any idea on the Jeppe tight head – he went to Craven Week last year but this year only in the C team. has he struggled this year?
@Hooit: Dont even have to ask the selectors. The regular player was injured and could not go to the first set of trails in Alberton. So the bench player took his place for trails. Then the regular player had to go the U/19 group trails the 3 May to be considered for selection. So yes from selection point it make sort of sense.
@Ringo: forgot to mention that last year the U/16 8th man of Helpies did play GK and now plays lock (still in the mix). Last year he was originally selected at lock but moved to a utility position in GK team to make place for the Monnas No8 (U/16) in the starting line-up. This may also be a player you are referring to.
@BrotherBear: I stated my opinions were towards the A team selections. The Helpies frontrow alone had about 9 replacements during the game against Monnas. I also agree that some players from all schools can count themselves unlucky. Selections must include players suited to the planned gameplan. I know from experience that the Lions ‘place’ height requirements on locks and most locks are below par on height requirements. Even in the Helpies team itself there is a player who has been playing of the bench this year a few times in a higher team than the regular Helpie 1ste team player. Only the selectors can answer these type of questions.
@Vleis: @Orbit: ok – was not aware Monakali is U19 – thanks.
@Ringo: Simelane is brilliant and Mpeku will be a shoo in next year at 13. I think Monakali is better suited to wing anyway.
@Hooit, @Vleis: Agree that elements of @Hooit’s argument has merit, but the half truths remain. Saying the sky is blue and the sun is shining brightly may imply a beautiful day, but NOT if you on foot in the Sahara desert without water.
@Hooit fails to mention the obvious forward match-ups (Helpies vs. Monnas) for many forwards who did play the full 70 minutes – except for the flankers other Helpies players (2, 8, 4 or 5) also dominated their opponents with the props being very equally balanced (not only scrumming). Granted the hookers were equally matched, but in fairness Tiaan had a recurring injury.
Backline of Helpies totally overshadowed the Monnas backline BUT ALL the Monnas players except 2 (14 and 15) are in teams or positions higher than the Helpies players. How does that figure?
The Helpies bench no 2 played GK last year and had a brilliant trials, but do not even feature in one of the 5 teams (extremely difficult to believe if you see his play).
In terms of your last argument w.r.t. the possible “options” that current 8 of Monnas can provide (bench A-team), there are several other players in lower teams that can provide a wider variety of options and perform better in all of these (proven). These other players even include regular Monnas forward players!
In reply to your trial observation: There are players in A and B teams that did NOT perform at the trials – from several schools (assume they go through on reputation or selector “bartering”)
So there are numerous examples where Monnas players got the benefit in the preliminary teams.
@Ringo: only the no 6 flanker from Helpies played GK last year. The present Helpies no 7 is in matric. Last year’s Helpies no 7 (u/16) now plays 8th man having represented the U/16 academy side last year. The GK no 7 now plays centre for his school (KES) and in trials, and is in the mix (bench B team).
I acknowledge that not knowing the selector strategy does put any commentator at a disadvantage and normally that would imply giving the selectors an opportunity to go through the full trial (match) process. Previous comments are thus based on observations and fuelled by “historic disadvantages” :-). Hopefully it all infolds and sanity prevails. At least, many of these combinations will be tested next Tuesday and the boys all get another opportunity to prove themselves.
Really sad for those deserving, that did not go through though.
@Speartackle: Sekerlik “most games attended”…Ons kan aflei van jou rugby kommentaar dat jy kyk nie altyd die games nie en hou jou besig met ander dinge…Jy is elk geval net daar vir die o/14 mammies!..
@Speartackle: Wel baie geluk dan. Goed om te weet dat ons so n rekord houer het hier in ons midde. Kon selfde van ontspan vir jou gister gese het to jy sooo de Bl….m in was. Ma vergeet jy het nie passionhandles nie. Jou opinie het die meeste gewig.
@Riempies: Ag ou Rieme die Hillbillies is sommer kort vir Hillbrow. Ontspan jou passionhandles…..Helpies het n goeie span en ek het hulle teen Monnas en HJS gesien. Daar is puik spelers in daai span en julle 2.6.7 en 15 het daai 2 games uitgestaan.
En so vir die rekord…….ek dink ek sal n Top 5 haal indien daar so rankings opgestel word vir “Most games watched” die afgelope 7 jaar
@Orbit: They are in the mix. Teams not final till 7 June!
@Speartackle: Sien die hoog intelegente en alwetende Speartackle alweer sy wysheid getoon. Man jy is seker een van die slimste mense op die blog. Kyk seker 24h n dag skole rugby. Ken almal weet van almal. Ek sit nou en wonder hoeveel wedstryde jy al van die huidige Helpie manne gesien het? Of self @Ringo en @Orbit? Hulle speel nou nie juis wedstyde op TV soos al die ander spanne nie. So hoe is julle ouens so ingelig? Gaan kyk gerus op youtube onder St John’s festival van hulle games dan lig julle weer jul opinie. Hillbillies?? Regtig?
@Ringo: You are correct! I just think the Jeppe wingers and 9 and 12 should at least be in the mix. Extremely skilled players. But lets see what happens.
@Speartackle: If you want to see the 5 teams Beet has posted them on a new Thread this morning. I certainly think in my very biased opinion that at the least Jeppe 12 should have been in the mix. The boy is big strong fast and plays very well with centre partner since under 14 and also occasionally throws in a side step or two. Jeppe 11 is still u17 I think as he is Gr11 so maybe will be in the mix next year. The 9 is a good leader and also combines well with the 10 Green who still think is future bok in position other 10 but circumstances dictate that he plays 10 for the Lions. On the whole a lot of these Jeppe boys played Grant Khomo in not so bad years of 13 and 14 where the played in the finals games I think both years.
The Helpmekaar Loosies are both exceptional and where part of the unbeaten Lions U16 side at the GK week last year. I guess you not pick them all from one school, especially if that school is not Monnas
I kid I am not starting another civil war just my opinion
@ Roger I think both Mpeku and Monakoli would not unseat Simalane from Jeppe at 13 what that boy does on the Rugby field can only described as witchcraft…. I honestly pray the boy keeps a level head and keeps training and conditioning himself cause he will be the bok 13 in the 2019 world cup boy is electric his peers will be boks in their mid to late 20’s but that boy under the right tutorledge will be at the 2019 world cup.
@Orbit: Oh my goodness those Helpmekaar Hillbillies are gonna moan again
@Speartackle: Monnas 9, Jeppe 10 (Currently playing 15), KES 12 (Mills?), Jeppe 13 (SA Schools) , Helpmekaar 15 and 11 and Florida 14.
Think Kes and Monnas and Helpies each have a backline bench player.
@Orbit: Sorry I do not have teams but who are in the current A team backline?
@Hooit: Jeppe 8 is not available as he has been drafted into the Lions U19 Currie Cup Squad
@Roger: Roger KES 13 is an U19, the new guys Kennedy (AKA Parktown) is in the A team draft side.
@Hooit you speak a lot of sense regarding trials. It is true that Monnas forwards were excellent against Jeppe and the Jeppe backs were excellent against Monnas.
The problem is both Jeppe wings who have scored bucket loads of tries and were brilliant against Monnas find themselves in the 4th Team! Also the Jeppe 9 (captain) is only down in team 3. Jeppe 12 was only good enough for 5th team.
So I do think those guys are hard done by considering how good that backline is.
@Roger: From what I can remember, your 13 is 19, so would’ve been in the running for the Noordvaal u19 team, rather than the CW team.
@Hooit: I think that your argument has a lot of merit.
@Roger: Step away from the mud…
@BOG: I’m reminded of Gungets’ wise words – never wrestle with pigs ……. I’ll let you complete the sentence.
Peace ou Bog – try to enjoy the rest of your days in this “godforsaken” land – you only live once.
@Hooit: yes injured KES 8 and 13 would definitely have been in the mix. As you say 8 is back next year (great player) and 13 is already in the Lions structures so we will hear more of him I’m sure.
@Kattes-Strofes: Ja ek was daar. Ek wou myself aan jou kom bekend stel maar jy was diep in gesprek daar voor die kafeteria en ek het maar aangestap.
Ek stem saam met jou kommentaar. Ek sien 2 van die kapteins het nie gister gespeel nie. Ek glo hulle het “niggles”. Dit is egter verblydend dat die ander groot kanonne ten minste ‘n helfte of langer gespeel het.
Man kan wel spanmaats wees by die skool maar twee manne van Boishaai (wat gister teen mekaar gespeel het) het mekaar amper getik…daar moes iets op die grond gebeur het. Dit was nie aan die pawiljoenkant nie en ek dink nie baie mense het dit gesien nie. Dalk het hulle ‘n bietjie geskiedenis maar ek weet nie…
Ek deel jou kommer oor die diepte (of gebrek daaraan by die vaste vyf). As iemand wat hou van skrumwerk en wat darem bietjie weet wat daar voor aangaan, is dit jammer wanneer daar ‘n “mismatch” is. Dit benadeel meer spelers in die proses. In die middelste wedstryd was daar ‘n vaskopstut wat die bal baie gedra het maar nie kon skrum nie. Boishaai se GK-stut van verlede jaar het hom verniel. Genoemde vaskop se loskop-spanmaat (van Boland) is in die proses benadeel. Hy is die enigste een wat nie terug gedruk is nie. Die flanke het nie geskrum nie en die slotte het dikwels sommer opgestaan. Hopelik het die keurders verlede week se wedstryde in ag geneem by die kies van die laaste 3 spanne.
Ek dink hulle speel Dinsdag teen die Boland….tensy jy vir ‘n feit weet dit is Woensdag.
Ek glo nietemin dat die WP 2 kompeterende spanne kan kies. Daar is soos gewoonlik heelwat skietgoed agterlangs.
@BOG: ou Boggie……jy is besig met n sterk comeback……
@Hooit: Fantasties gestel daar en ou Braakbeer behoort nou beter te verstaan en behoort tevrede te wees dat daar ten minste 4 Helpies in die span sal wees.
Ek hoop net nie die Lions gaan teen die Bulle of SWD speel nie want met die 50 tal en 40 wat Helpies en Monnas teen onderskeidelik Affies en Outeniqua gekry het hoop ek dan maar op daai dag sal daar meestal Jeppe en Northcliff spelers speel.
In watter provinsie is Drostdy? Min Helpies teen daai span ook
Hulle moet ook net waak teen Verre Noord…….geen Jeppe spelers teen hulle
Horses for courses
@Roger: Jeppe 8 is allowed to play in the Lions C team who competes at the Potch u19 provincial week. I have not seen the injured Kes 13 play this year so I cant comment. You’re injured 8th man is also n player who would have been in the Lions teams somewhere. At least he still has an oppertunity next year.
@BOG: well said.
@Roger: As so often happens with you, in case you did not notice, I was provoked or enticed to respond. I did not initiate it. And thankfully you did not offer to entertain us with your usual, misplaced delusional “intellectual” diatribe. And I believe that I speak on behalf of the majority of bloggers here (If I may be as arrogant as you to claim a mandate from them)
@BuffelsCM: Buffallo Bill !Weet nie of jy vandag by die proewe was nie, maar indien nie, het ek gehoor dat die 6 spanne van vandag ,sal dadelik verklein word na 3, wat Woensdag in Wellington speel in die finale proewe teen Boland.
My eerste indrukke is dat WP weer 2 talentvolle spanne kan kies. Bietjie bekommerd oor die diepte in die vaste vyf,Maar indien almal reg en gesond is,sal die Streeptruie weer stem kan duk maak.Verlede jaar het hulle nog een reeks proewe gehad, met 4 spanne. Die tyd het egter seker die keurders ingehaal.
Hoop net die wyse manne het genoeg gesien om raak te vat.Dit is mos maar gewoonlik die seuns, in die sogenaamde kleiner skole ,wat in proewe vinnig moet uitblink, om ernstig aanspraak te maakDie groot rugbyskole se spelers is meestal reeds bekend weens hul deelname aan verskillende feeswedstyde, asook gereelde dekking in die pers.
Sterkte aan al die betrokke seuns en hul ouers en afrigters.
@Hooit: nope – Monakali – he made the A team last year but got injured in the first round of trials this year. 1st choice 13 and KES captain this year. You seem to know what’s happening so was wondering if in your opinion he would have made it this year if not injured?
Jeppe 8 not eligible for Craven week as too old I believe
@Roger: If you referring to the Mpheku brother then 1 of them is in the current A squad and the other in the current D squad. What I saw of him on TV was very impressive and he will be a good inclusion for any team. I also saw the Jeppe 8 who is u/19 this year is not in any team. Any reason fot this? Is he injured?
@Hooit: would the (currently) injured KES 13 and captain have made it ?
@BrotherBear: No exit. Opinion and ‘half truths’ above still stands.
@BOG: Thank the Lord – and I believe I speak on behalf of most of the “free” schoolboy rugby blog
@Hooit: wise exit sir.
@BrotherBear: Do not see any half truths. My opinion is just that. I do not know the selectors so I am not protecting anybody. n Beter weerlig afleier sou wees om stil te bly. I am sure we will all be keeping an eye on the 2 trial games and more discussion on the final teams. The A team is still to change as they do not meet the selection requirements currently and it will most probably be a Monnas player/s that will be affected. Out of the 5 teams there are still about 45 players to be ‘cut’ from the final teams. Goodluck to all. Always a very proud moment for any schoolboy to be picked for the final provincial teams.
@Hoot: you sound like a very experienced Monnas selector – completely biased argument with half truths to serve your own interests. Yes, I know what the interests are – protecting B or B’s so that he/they are not affected. Weerlig afleier, ek se.
Here is my own opinion about Lions trials. All Monnas players in the A team is forwards except fot the number 9. This seems fair in view that the forward pack has dominated in all games. Against Jeppe the Monnas forwards completely dominated. Only the Jeppe 8 man stood out but he is too old for selection this year. The Jeppe backline dominated the Monnas backline and have more players in the A team. Against Helpmekaar the forwards were substituted so often they cannot be rated on 70 minutes. However at the breakdown Monnas got punished and as such the Helpmekaar 6 and 7 are both in the A team. The Monnas pack were also were good against other teams played. At the 2nd leg of trials at Monnas all the Monnas and Helpmekaar, current Lions A, played very well. Some of the players that are highly rated in their school’s team dissapeared on the mix team trials at Monnas. Also note that between Monnas, Helpmekaar and Jeppe you can select a stronger team than current team but the team will not conform to the selection requirements. I think the selection ‘requirements’ had a bigger impact on Helpmekaar than on Monnas. The official requirement is at least 12 players in the group of 23. Included in this is specific front row requirements which also counted against Helpmekaar. On Monnas – the Monnas 13 is more experienced at 7 and 8 than at 13. It is in the best interest of Monnas that he plays 13 for the 1st team. Monnas also made use of 2 different players on 8 this year. Yes there are players that can feel done in but it will happen in all the teams. The selectors also select players for their game plan which I do not know but may suit 1 player better than another. Possible scenario could be as follows: The current 8 in the A team gives the Lions more options at lineouts with the Helpies flanks not being the tallest.
@Monte Bello 84: At least I have the distinction of being a critic of the old and the present, while you seem to only criticise the old while sucking up to the present incompetent, corrupt and racist regime. You dont know why apartheid was as bad as other regimes? Simple actually. I studied politics a long time ago and a study was done at the height of apartheid, when the world was saturated with communist, one-party states and military dictatorships. It was found, that across the board, covering certain human rights, such as expression, employment, movement, association—, SA was indeed more free than half of the world.There was empirical evidence of this. There were certainly many imperfections with apartheid, but less so than in most South American, Asian, Eastern European and most certainly, African countries. I personally witnessed some. The argument was therefore not if apartheid was right or wrong, more than half, were “more wrong”. It explains why more than 7 million Africans from all over the continent chose to live in apartheid SA. And this concludes my comments on this matter.
@Bog comments noted. Lets agree to disagree. I really do not understand why you created the impression that apartheid was not so bad compared to other regimes and justify it on that basis. I really do not get it. It was wrong.
@vatikaka -my verskoning, my opmerking oor skape is onvanpas.
@BrotherBear: Nee wat. Party van ons werk en het nie baie tyd vir blog nie.
Ons reageer ook maar net wanneer dit sinvol is – en daar was maar min dinge wat die moeite werd was om te noem of reageer.
Nee, jy’s verkeerd oor die kamp. Garsies het jaarliks die sessies en is deel van die jaarlikse program. Niks te doen met Helpies nie – ‘n gewone ingeburgerde proses.
@Oakdale supporter: That would be much appreciated, thanks
@Monte Bello 84: Someone who is so devoid of obvious historical knowledge, could not upset me , no matter how hard they tried. It would appear that your knowledge of rugby is even more dodgy than that of politics and history- and that says a lot. Thank you that you have just re-confirmed it to those who did not have the misfortune of reading it elsewhere. Any person who is unaware of the genocides under Stalin and Mao in Russia and China, tells the story. You really should try and supplement your lack of knowledge- obviously as a victim of the regimes failed education policy, with a few good reads. The one that I always recommend is that of Martin Meredith, History of Africa, 50 yrs after colonialism (You can google the correct title) It should seriously address your obvious ignorance of Africa. Your failed attempt to add some humour to your public exhibition of stupidity, is unfortunately, something I cannot help you with, other than reading up on the clowns who masqueraded as “heads of state”, in some cases as Amin and Bokassa did, ate their opponents.
@BuffelsCM: Ek het al my kontakte probeer om die proef spanne te kry, sonder enige sukses. Die algemene antwoord is dat daar soveel seuns onttrek, dat dit sinloos is om voor vandag se roll-call, spanne op te stel. Dit is seker waar, maar ek glo tog hulle het reeds spanne opgestel en vul maar net leemtes aan tydens roll-call!
My oppinie van vandag se proewe is dat mens nie te veel kan lees in die wedstryde nie. Die volgende rondte behoort mens n beter aanduiding te gee van potensiele keuses. n Mens kan aanvaar dat Sa Skole spelers, verlede jaar se Cravenweek en Akedemie week spelers , sekerlik n binnebaan geniet, en sal seker nie te lank in aksie wees nie.
Nietemin, ek gaan tog nou maar kyk,
thread 189 @Oakdale supporter I couldn’t resist replying regarding to your comment about what @Bog will say should Grey lose on Saturday especially after he called me less than satisfactory names on the Baby Boks thread like “lacking moral fibre and yellow bellied coward etc”.
I fear that Grey will win on Saturday so I will try to upset him before that.
In any case this is what @Blog will offer as reasons, this is after attending his weekly “Grumpy Old Men Apartheid Denialists” therapy session, which obviously is not effective, he should fire the therapist.
Reasons/Comments:-
1. It is the wind, my dear fellow. We played against a strong wind and the ref in both halves. Nothing new.
2. It’s the quotas in the Boys High team. Their selection process is being blatantly racist.
3. Rooi gevaar (USSR – so baie mense doodgemaak)
4. Geel gevaar (Chinese – ditto)
5. It is not so bad as losing against Paul Roos
6. They did not know their history
7. The devil made them do it.
On a different note, some of the opinion pieces on the Baby Boks thread I found fascinating and informative, pity about personal attacks and comments. It should be compulsory reading for @Bog’s therapy group. I must apologise if I offended anyone and came over to strong. @Vatikakai kom terug en los uit die skape.
Just a suggestion Beet should consider having a tread on topical issues and as along as we keep it civilised different viewpoints can be debated, for example I am still peeved off that our hockey players are not going to the Olympics as you can only improve by competing against the best. (take your best players and a couple of promising players) The reason being given that they didn’t meet their own criteria despite qualifying. I would love to know the real reasons as they must have upset certain individuals in Sascoc.
The Boks thread was further informative in that I was exposed to new words like Bog’s “draad” – which is better than gesprekslyn. remind me of my last reunion, not may of us left as I am as old as @Bog, in which the organiser said that his English teacher Mr Slater would have been proud of him of using the word elusive. He struggled to contact a certain individual, he called him elusive, when he eventually phoned him, this persons reaction was “jirre … , hoe de f&k het jy my gekry , die polisie kan my nie eers in die hande kry nie.”
Good luck to both teams on Saturday, watch out for Grey’s inside centre I have been told he is something special.
Disclaimer: Sole purpose of this draad is to upset @Bog
@Oakdale supporter: Vat n Disprin meneer. Wat ek gese het, maak geen afbreuk aan Oakdale se spel of kritiek teen hulle nie. En ek het dit gese.Wat ek probeer se het is dat GCB al dikwels in n soortgelyke situasie was, en baie male, in die doodsnikke van die wedstryd, die wenpunte aangeteken het. Vra vir PRG. Dit is n kenmerk van hulle spel, dat hulle voluit speel tot die einde, en selfs spoed optel.
@odie15: Not to long to wait. One week before the Boishaai game. We will all know where we stands, come 4 June.
@ Playa. It won’t be televised but I will keep you up to date from Riversdale.
@odie15: That’s always a nice spectacle of flair and rugby. I hope it will be televised again this year.
@BrotherBear: Kyk, as ons ontmoet sal jy verstaan dat ek nog nooit geboelie is nie…
Ek pendel Saterdag tussen die velde om by die onderouderdom spanne uit te kom.
@Playa: yeah it is but we will have an indication what chance they have once they have played Outeniqua.
@CharlesZA: just a joke……..WP use Belleville fields normally for practices and trials usually.
@akw: ek vra nederig om verskoning indien ek jou senu-punte per abuis aangeraak het.
Sal ophou om jou te kielie – wil ook nou nie as ‘n boelie gebrandmerk word nie.
Ja ek is maar van nature orals-oor dik, maar gelukkig nie van tik – hehehe.
Sien ons jou Saterdag?
@BOG: Het die wind halfpad deur 2e helfde gedraai? Dit die fopsuluut akhol met wind te doen. Oakdale het vir Grey vir driekwart van die game onder druk gehad, maar kon dit nie volhou en toe breek die wal. Ek het lankal vir Grey geluk gewens en gekomplimenteer met hoe hulle aanhou speel en nooit opgee, maar smaak my jy kan nie ooit enige iets foutvind met jou spannetjie nie. Ek hoop nou skielik dat Boishaai goed wen dat ek net jou verskoning kan hoor.
@Die Ken,
Aan al die slim ouens wat kla oor sekere spelers wat bo ander spelers in ‘n verteenwoordigende span gekies gaan word ens. Onthou net, die speler wat gekies word het geen insae in die keuringsproses nie, dit is dus bra vlak en uiters dwaas om die speler af te takel op ‘n oop forum. Ek kan verstaan as jul nie gelukkig met die sisteem of die keuringsproses is nie, maar om ‘n skoolseun te teiken en af te takel is ‘n bewys van lae klas.
Die Ken, ek wou net die punt maak en nie die speler af breek nie!
Die feit dat sekere spelers na gekyk word is nou maar so! Selfs ouers van DAAI skool se dit! Iewers word iemand te na gekom om dit te maak werk vir iemand se pappie en / of coach!
Oor die lae klas……… die is die laaste keer wat ek na daai vlak toe daal, ek het heeltemal te mind ondervinding om my man te staan op daai vlak
@Speartackle: Skies, het bedoel laaste internasionale speler…
@BOG: There aren’t a lot of sides that can dominate GCB even with a gale force behind them
@Speartackle: I didn’t mention any players either – please point out where I mentioned a specific player. I only give Monnas (note Monnas school, not individual players) flack when the situation demands it, like now and in 2011. I haven’t said a word in any other year. By your logic, I’d have a much stronger argument that your comments belittling the Jeppe team are belittling the Jeppe players achievements this year. You rally are a drama queen!
I agree that “Monnas have been doing the talking on the pitch for many years”. However, Jeppe and Helpies have been talking at the same level this year. But if you are after historical performance, then let’s select a Lions team full of KES players.
@Speartackle, @vleis: questions were asked from Lions executive w.r.t. Lions u18 poor performance last year.
@Speartackle: Inteendeel, hulle is waarskynlik die groep wie NIE daaroor worry nie@Playa: Wind, my dear fellow. They played against a strong wind in the first half. Nothing new.
@Speartackle
“Of as dit dan so jarelange probleem is hoekom wil jy dan so onnosel wees om jou rugbyspelende kind in n skool te sit waar hy min kans het om verteenwoordigende kleure te verwerf. Laat hom dan jukskei of blaasorkes doen en sit hom in so skool. Dis onregverdig om Monnas te kruisig, hulle het niks te doen met die keuringsproses.”
Aai Speartjie, jy raak so opgepluk ek begin wonder of jy n keurder is by die Leeus!
Ons het n skool gekies op grond van Akademie, Rugby alleen besluit IS dwaas!
MY seun waaroor ek jou so irriteer het voor die proewe al vrede gemaak hy gaan nie een van die spanne maak die jaar nie.
Ek kan geen keurder blameer as hy n seun wat nie in sy eie skool se starting 15 is nie mis kyk!
Jou wyse kommentaar oor die na die unie toe vat ens. Bietjie NAIVE!
Dis net n kleiner proses van ons No1 se water van n eend se rug af.
Ek is nie seker hoe jy besluit dat n spesifieke skool niks met die keuringsproses te doen het nie. Hulle coach sit dan tussen die keurders as hy nie n keurder is nie wat soek hy dan daar?
Ironies dat daai 3de kant van die storie tog so raak is. Ek wonder hoe werk dit as jy voor n wedstryd hoor hy vertel hy gaan A span toe van C span af en WOOOPS volgende game is hy daar.
ONS hoor en weet meer as wat JY dink.
Sterkte vir jou span / seun/s vorentoe. klink of jy hulle leer die lewe is wat jy daaruit maak!
@speartackle: Aai Spiesie, jy is so kwaad dat jy lyk my meeste van die kommentaar mis lees en die motiewe maar wild interpreteer. Dit gaan nie oor die seun, maar oor die metodes gebruik. Die voorbeeld staan ongelukkig uit vir almal om te sien. Ek herhaal weer – die seun se spel en vermoe as flank (en senter) is nie onder verdenking. Weet nie van watter vreeslike goeie 8e man jy praat wat nie in spanne is, maar die normale 8e man van Monnas is op skadu A-span se bench. Sien jy is bloubul ondersteuner met jou kennis en verstaan van rugby – “size is all, bash them boys, bash them. No, no we need more bashing. Bliksem, ek het genoeg gepraat, julle kan nie om hulle hardloop nie. Gaan deur hulle! Wat verstaan julle nie!”
@BOG: Skies ou BOG……..wat was die eerste 3 vrae?
Dis mos net Grey, Affies, HJS en Paul Roos wat worry oor ranglyste.
@odie15: Thumped is too strong a word. I felt the scoreline flattered GCB as they only came alive late in the game after having their backs against the wall for much of it. They sucked in pressure well, and clicked at the right time and forced Oakdale to surrender. Anyway, as improbable as it is that Oakdale will win all their remaining games, it definitely is not impossible. Long live Schoolboy Rugby!
@Speartackle: En die vierde vraag is hoe sy keuse uit posisie, die ranglys wat hier (onder hierdie draad) ter sprake is, gaan beinvloed ?
@Vleis: I can’t see me mentioning any player…….it was against the school’s ranking or performances.
Not insinuating (hope that is the right word) that they are busy with irregularities or nepotism.
But it looks like it is fine with you if Monnas get the flack every year for producing the bulk of CW players….no problem…..I’m sure they do not care.
They have been doing the talking on the pitch for many years and will also for many years to come…….it is in their blood
@Speartackle: @Couchmavin: Ek sê jy kies beide speler A en B want beide voeg waarde toe tot die span. Ons moet spelers kies in kombinasies en die waarde wat hulle toevoeg binne spanverband, punt. Daar is net nie plek vir die individu in ‘n spansport nie, want dit lei tot chaos en ongelukkigheid. Dis my beperkte ervaring van die situasie.
Wat die huidige Monnas 8 seun betref……skitterende speller, dis al wat ek kan sê. En dis nie omdat ek sy Oom goed ken nie.
@Speartackle: If you think the children can’t take the heat, then please explain: 2, 4, 39, 52, 94, etc…and no, you didn’t touch a nerve.
When I see arrogance, I tackle it head on. To be fair, you are mostly humerous, not arrogant.
@akw: Gert Peens n Bok???
Wanneer?
Dog hy het vir Italië gespeel
@Vleis: I can take the heat…….but can the children?
Did I touch a nerve?
@Speartackle: Ag Spiesie, you like to dish it out (Jeppe, etc), so don’t start crying now when you get it back (Monnas, etc). It’s time to put on your big girls panties, or your won’t be able to enter another WoesRand pub in your lifetime again.
Peace brother.
@CharlesZA: Nee man hy grap net! Die proewe is by Bellville Hoër. Ongelukkig word slegs die name van die spelers deurgestuur aan die skole, met ander woorde nie in spanverband nie.
As jy iewers daardie spanne te siene kry, “post” dit sommer hier asb….maar ek dink jy gaan sukkel.
@Couchmavin: Ek sou redeneer dat rugby n spansport is en dat n speler gekies word in n posisie waar dit tot voordeel van die span is.
Weet jy hoekom soveel briljante skolespelers na skool verdwyn? Dis oor hulle op skool individuele briljantheid getoon het en nie regtig aan samespel gewoond geraak het. Ek kan vir jou hordes uitnemende skolespelers oor die afgelope 6/7 jaar noem wat nou sukkel om Varsity Cup of hierdie klug CB uitdunspanne te haal. Hulle is steeds show ponies.
Net n voorbeeld,speler A en speler B is in dieselfde skool. Albei het voorheen Laerskool Cravenweek in dieselfde posisie vir verskillende provinsies gespeel. Speler A is n spesialis in die posisie en kan geen ander posisie speel nie. Speler B is net so goed in dieselfde posisie maar kan ook gebruik word in n ander posisie waar hy beter is as enige ander seun in die skool. Speler B speel uit posisie vir skoolspan,nie dat hy swakker as speler A is nie,maar net dat dit sin maak om albei in die span te he. Wat maak speler B nou by proewe? Speel hy vir dieselfde posisie as speler A en sal hy heelwaarskynlik bo speler A gekies word omdat hy meer bied omdat hy ook ander posisies kan speel? Sal dit nou gese word dat die keurders hom bevoordeel omdat hy nie eers vir sy skool in dieselfde posisie speel nie,maar wel speler A? Ek is net bly ek is nie n keurder nie.
@odie15: List of teams that are playing at BH today?
@pietretief: Ja oom Piet ek is omgekrap man. Ek raak geirriteerd as mense kinders so benadeel . En hierdie blogs word gereeld gebruik deur ongelukkige pappies en afrigters omdat hulle spruite nie gekies word vir spanne. Dis gewoonlik die pappies wat nie self op hulle dae kon presteer nie en nou moet seuntjie daai leemte vul. Ek het van laerskooldae af ook dieselfde ervaar, in al die provinsiale spanne waarin ek gespeel het in verskeie sporte en my pa het altyd gesê dat as jy n grensgeval is gaan jy dit altyd bevind so sorg dat jy bo alle twyfel die beste is dan sal jy eerste gekies word.
My kinders is deur dieselfde selfs nou nog na skool maar dit is deel van die lewe.
Jou advies aan n kind moet wees om die ander se bekke stil te speel en nie stil te moan nie.
Ek dink net as jy geen clue het hoe die keuringsproses werk nie moet jy nie kinders hier verkleineer nie. Hulle kies nie hulself nie. Wees mans genoeg en gaan vat die unie aan of die keurders maar los die kinders uit. Of as dit dan so jarelange probleem is hoekom wil jy dan so onnosel wees om jou rugbyspelende kind in n skool te sit waar hy min kans het om verteenwoordigende kleure te verwerf. Laat hom dan jukskei of blaasorkes doen en sit hom in so skool. Dis onregverdig om Monnas te kruisig, hulle het niks te doen met die keuringsproses.
Ek wag nog vir daai manne om die keurkomitee en die betrokke skole te bring.
@Speartackle: Jy moet weet as Gert Peens jou laaste Bok was dat jou rugby tradisie maar skraal is….
@BrotherBear: Jou stert is lekker dik op die stadium. Dis ongelooflik dat een redelike seisoen mens so arrogant kan maak.
@Speartackle: Ai Spies is jy darem kwaai so vroeg daar van die platteland af, is vrede bietjie koud vanoggend…
Sien dit gaan weer lekker daar in die Noorde!…
Ek gaan my uithou uit die situasie. Ek sien dit van 2 kante…….aan die eenkant sien ek n belowende losvoorspeler wat ter wille van die span senter toe geskuif is en nou weer na n nuwe posisie as 8 geskuif word……as ek sy pa was sou ek nou al de moer in gewees het
Aan die anderkant sien ek n pa wat reeds de moer in is oor sy kannetjie se span…..let wel…se span…….die ander man se span wat sy seun uit die CW span gaan hou, maklik en ver gewen het. Nou ja ons almal dink ons kinders is die beste maar daai pa het ook rede om my te irriteer hier.
Dan is daar eintlik nog n 3de kant…….die huidige 8 wat deur die omgekrapte pa se span geklop is……..volgens my…en ek het bitter baie games al “live” gesien vanjaar……is hy een van die beter agts wat ek gesien het en n tipe speler soos wat die Kapenaars in ons Bokspan wil sien……n regte Thor…………nou die mannetjie is nerens te sien in proefspanne. Nou pappie nr 3 het dalk die meeste rede om de bliksem in te wees……….maar uit Benoni kom mos oulike mense.
Almal slag vir Monnas maar ek wens die twakpraters hier wil vir ons asb gou sommer hier op die blog die name van die Lions keurkomitee en van watter skole is hulle.
As jy dit nie weet nie…..hou dan eerder jou bek
@akw: jy moet maar fokus op jou ouderdomsgroep spannetjie se afrigting en minder twak kwytraak – die speler het vroeer flank gespeel. Jy, @djou en @rugbyman maar redelik stil voor Saterdag. Hoor Pta Oos het onder meer ‘n kamp staaldraad ervaar om julle weer gefokus te kry. Julle moet relax ouens, dis net sport – hehehe.
@vaskopvleuel, @akw:, @Die Ken: julle mis die punt ouens. Dit gaan oor hoe die keurders hierdie proses (wan)bestuur en ooglopend Monnas spelers voortrek, alhoewel daar ander beter spelers beskikbaar is. Niemand het gese die betrokke speler is nie talentvol, maar om aan te neem hy is beste no 8, sonder om in afgelope 2 jaar (miskien 5 jaar) in daardie posisie te speel is mos net DOM. Dit is net ‘n voorbeeld van nepotisme en ek stem saam nie die speler se skuld. Indien jy hom wel wil toets, speel paar wedstryde vir skool span in daardie posisie of kies hom in laer Leeus span in sy ou (flank) posisie en toets hom hierdie jaar (vir eers).
@VaskopVleuel: Dit is hy. En ek speel my een snaar kitaar al van die begin van die jaar af, dit is onregverdig teenoor spelers om hulle uit posisie uit te kies. Dus dink ek die keurders het raakgevat om hom terug te skuif 8 toe. Next man up is die regte manier.
Dis soos MJ, baie goeie 6 flank maar B span senter…
@CharlesZA: at boishaai fields as their 1st team coaches are Grant Khomo and Craven week coaches respectively……
@Ringo: beware using Fire its not liked in discussions!
@VaskopVleuel: Dis hy, en hy is ‘n hel goeie losvoorspeler. Hy speel wel senter vanjaar.
Ek is nie baie aktief op hierdie platform nie, maar wil gou meer inligting kry. Is hierdie seun wat 8 speel by die Leeus Cravenweek dieselfde Potgieter as wat laasjaar losvoorspeler gespeel het vir die Leeus akademie span?
Indien wel, was hy verlede jaar die tweede beste in sy posisie by die leeus. As hy hierdie jaar matriek is maak dit mos net sin dat hy craven week 8 speel? Of mis ek ‘n gedeelte van die storie?
@Ringo: @Vleis: @Speartackle: My last point on selection, because I’m getting tired of this thread…Let’s take the Lions, the best SA provincial team for 2 years now (give or take). Even after this great Super season, where the Lions will (hopefully) beat all the SA sides and end top of the SA log, there are not many Lions players that will walk into a Bok side. Yes, many Lions players are fringe Boks and would make the “old Gazelles” team, but are they really Boks? Smith and Marx could be future Boks, but not ready yet. Redelinghuys has a chance, same as Mostert, Kriel, Whiteley and Combrink, but they are not certainties and would be on the fringe. Jantjes and Mapoe, maybe. So, my point is, the Lions have the best team, as a collective, but the individuals are not the best in their position – and I am a HUGE Lions supporter. One, needs to remember this when selecting representative teams
Aan al die slim ouens wat kla oor sekere spelers wat bo ander spelers in ‘n verteenwoordigende span gekies gaan word ens. Onthou net, die speler wat gekies word het geen insae in die keuringsproses nie, dit is dus bra vlak en uiters dwaas om die speler af te takel op ‘n oop forum. Ek kan verstaan as jul nie gelukkig met die sisteem of die keuringsproses is nie, maar om ‘n skoolseun te teiken en af te takel is ‘n bewys van lae klas.
@BOG: @Cappie: Saterdag slag GCB die Blouvelle af, nou veld of te not.
Anyone know where I can find the WP trial teams for u18 and u16?
Well done Oakdale! Keep doing what you are doing. Tough games still ahead. Just do your best.
@Randy: Sjoe !! Katools !! Jy is darem kwaai! But I think we all get your drift !
Speartackle on 17 May, 2016 @ 09:10
@Vleis: There are some weird selections but anyway however
So not one of the formidable rotating Helpmekaar front row
Monnas 13 in the 8 position
Monnas iron 8 not in any team
This Lion team would not even beat Ben Vorster
INTERESTING
ON 18 April i was told the Monnas 13 who had missed the first round of trials would be playing trials at next round on 7 because there is no space for him at 13? I wonder if it is the same guy who now is 8th man!
OH YES IT IS!!! You bet your life!!!
Watch this space next move he is probably on 7 to make space for their 8. (Is that the glow of captaincy i see aproaching?)
Honestly dont understand how the Lions allow this stupidity to continue.
You suck mine and will suck yours! WTF
Lions Super rugby is doing well in spite of the schools levels selectors doing their best to F it up!!!
@Speartackle @Riempies: Affies het 50 teen julle opgesit en Grey n 50 teen Affies…..so n 100 teen julle van Grey is mos dan realisties gesproke haalbaar.
Ek erken die binne 37 minute was dalk bietjie n droom maar selfs binne 47 minute kon dalk n nagmerrie word….erger as Drostdy
VOLGENS jou somme behoort Helpies dan net met so 5 teen Grey te verloor as boishaai v grey wen!
@Die Ken: your take on the trials versus the team that was already pre picked is roughly accurate!
After the next round of games which the lions will probably lose to the bulls on tuesday even more Players from the non performing team will be in the CW team! Almost like last years GK team. From C team to A team captain in one game! Absolute BS! Last game of the initial trials 90% of the selectors did not even watch the game! 3 of the monnas kids played so poorly they were dropped from their own starting team the following weekend! All 3 are in the A or B side for the Lions. I will make the effort tomorrow to check the squad and will be willing to put money on which players will miraculously move up before CW is picked. Lions CW team could have fantastic centres, have we been watching the same players on TV and at the games! The crash test dummy approach at 12 does not work.
@Dieken and Orbit the score reflected on my earlier post were from a little spreadsheet I am trying to create to understand the secret to the ranking points. I also happened to watch the trial game and based on what I saw I had stated that from my baised rugby fan, fantical follower of this Jeppe sides’ perspective though Jeppe could have beaten Monnas in a full game however it was trial game all are aware of it. I do not retract my view that Jeppe beat Monnas on the 4 April not at all it my opinion.
In terms of the lions craven week team selected or should I say the provisional team selected it must have been based on the second round of trials which was held at Monnas on Wednesday the 9th of May. I was not there and I cannot comment on how the young performed on that day.
Having quite a demanding day job it often not possble to respond timeously to the rapid fire enquiries that I raised on this forum.
But in my opinion I think the Jeppe boys proved themselves through a baptism of fire of some decent afrikaans schools who seemed to be more favoured than we were at the start of the season
Kempton Park who finiished 45 last on these rankings
Eldoraigne which was 16th last year
Waterkloof which was 24th last year.
The boys have also taken on more favoured Boys schools such as
Queens who are also having quite a decent season of their own this year;
Bishops and Westiville which if you were to look back over the past ten years you would be told by almost all bloggers on this platform how both these teams are top 20 material and should have given Jeppe 50 or more points.
Rugby at Jeppe is certainly alot better than when I went there in the early 2000’s. Cannot comment if this current team is amongst the best that we ever had but certainly the best this century by long margin while unless you are my brother who rates the 2013 team higher, maybe even the 2010 team and says that 2018 will be even better. However this team is pretty good in fact quite joy to watch in full flight.
I think BHP has put a lot of grey matter into his ranking system. I remember when I was varsity rankings were also available on the supersport website and thereafter a decision was taken to no longer rank schools at the time I did not see the harm of the simple schools rugby rankings. I think at some stage when Darren Scott was on 5 fm this going back a long time ago maybe 16 years he used to give the rankings on the radio and there was huge outcry and at the time I did not understand the outcry and abuse that would directed to him about the rankings.
I personally would not be bothered about where Jeppe are ranked, but would love them to win everyone of their remaining games but in my eyes these are games that could go either way judging on past history. However based on the current weapons arsenal we have only Affies are real threat. But Boys High, Waterkloof, Kes, Parktown and Saint Albans could bloody our noses as these are all proud schools who would not lay down to let the boys run over them. I honestly do not see us losing to Saint John’s even when I was there it was crime loosing to them unless s certain Mr Scot Speding in 04 or another Greek Kicking machine like in 07 are on the field.
SBR is on the day. Beet has given us platform where can discuss our enjoyment of it. But we real need to lighten up about our collective obsession with the rankings
just my ten cents on the matter
@Speartackle: Maybe that’s why he got klapped in a West Rand pub. I can’t remember the name of it, but it was just south of Northcliff in a dodgy area. Didn’t visit it very often.
@Vleis: Johnny Dup was from the East Rand man…..they are Sunday school teachers compared to the West
@Playa: No worries about the math…..Grey 15 and Glenwood 14 matches. So teams playing 19 matches in running. If 1 loss each. Then I think PD.
@Playa: nice scenario but you think they will beat Boishaai and Gim? They got thumped by Grey.If Boishaai beat Grey then who cares what Oakdale do…..So I like that.
When do the final CW teams get selected?
@Cappie: Het jy nie ook gevoel dat Affies vir Grey gaan wen nie? Voel gerus so voort.
@BoishaaiPa:
…but to be fair to him, I hear that his mother-in-law is almost as tough as a Jeppe mom.
@Vleis: He regularly gets beaten by his mother-in-law..thats why he moved to Toti for the interim…
@Speartackle: Unbeaten? At Jukskei maybe. Those West Rand pubs were not for the feint hearted – I saw Johnny du Plooy get beaten up in one in about ’93. To be fair to him, he was not sober at the time.
@Grasshopper: I got smashed up at The Warehouse one night……..couldn’t get my contact lenses out for 2 days
@odie15: Just saying it would be an interesting scenario. Especially if Boishaai beat Grey, and Grey beat Glenwood (assuming they win all games leading up to that one) – then you have 4 teams with one loss each and none unbeaten. Stuff of fairytales I know…just glad I’m not the one who’ll be stuck with the maths fi ever it happened.
@Vleis: I’m still unbeaten on the East and West Rand
@Grasshopper: Jirre Grassy. Hoekom moet jy nou ook intree?! Gaan skryf ‘n bemarkingsplan of so iets
@Speartackle: Glad you never tried anything on the Bluff then…yirra!!
Ek het so gevoel in my dat Boishaai vir Grey gaan wen die naweek.
@Speartackle: Then your name is not Gerrie Coetzee or Pierre Coetzer, who both also lost only once to a Soutie, but beat none…let alone hundreds!
Sounds like you picked your fights in Sandton.
@Vleis: I’ve been winded up by souties and CA’s my entire life………I only lost to one soutie in my life….and I beat hundreds
@Speartackle:
Hit a nerve did I?
You should have kept quiet oupa. Now the Souties and CA’s are going to wind you up forever.
@Die Ken: Was just doing that to stir the pot with Mr T. That said, even if only a trial game, it does seem a bit out of proportion when the beaten team gets its whole team selected, while the winning team lands up with only five.
@Die Ken: Ha ha ha …jy kon dit nie beter stel…….daai 15 minute n kant touch rugby het die souties en CA’s nou so opgewonde dat hulle dalk n nuwe draad moet oopmaak…..of trek
@Die Ken: I doubt anyone affiliated to Jeppe or even the boys themselves viewed it as an official game. Not sure what the fuss is about.
Anyway I do think there should be more Jeppe boys in the top two sides, but that will not be solved or changed here.
All the best to all at the Lions trials and I’m sure that a great team will be picked. A big strong pack with some quick exciting backs should be the order of the day.
@Vleis: That’s a low blow!
@Die Ken: She has fantastic common sense, as she understands the consequences of not picking her husband in the team! I can tell from this blog alone how painful it would be for her!
@Vleis: I know you don’t have a problem with the Lions sides, I just find it strange that the trial game has now been elevated to an official game
@Vleis: But, his mom chose the side, so since she has common sense, it all makes sense? Or does it?
@Vleis: Did I ever say, the losses against Helpies or the Kwaggas were not “real losses” or in “official games”? Nope, I didn’t.
@Roger: I will agree that Mostert should get a look in as well…But its six of the one and half a dozen of the other…none of those players will let the team down or make it weaker or stronger…they each bring a slightly different dimension. I think however that familiarity with each others style of play could be the key factor to the team’s success.
@Die Ken: …and did Monnas “just let” the Kwaggas score 40 points against them and did they just let Helpies thrash them?
Anyway, it sounds like your son has more common sense than you. Probably takes after his mum. v
P.S. I have nothing against Monnas. I support all the Lions teams.
@Vleis: Vol grappies
@Die Ken: If you want to pick teams based on tradition, then KES should have the most players in the Lions team. #KlaarGepraat
@Vleis: My 8 year old son and I played rugby on the lawn Saturday. He wore a Jeppe jersey and I wore a Monnas one. We played for inclusion in the Grobler XV, which my wife, chose, by the way she was also the ref. We don’t have posts, so we couldn’t kick for goals and we only played 15 minute a side, with one man lineouts and scrums etc. He beat me 15-10, because I let him win every now and then. Afterwards, I made the Grobler XV and he didn’t. He is now so upset, because he “beat” me and didn’t make the team. The selector explained to him that the game was merely there to see whether one of the players” in his team is up to a standard and though he beat me in this “game”, class just didn’t shine through. He was upset, but he understands…
@Speartackle: You say that Monnas are only a “bit lucky to be Top 10”. Therefore, I must assume that Jeppe are only an even smaller bit lucky to be Top 10 – especially as they beat Monnas at the Lions trials, where I presume Jeppe were missing their SA Schools player who is now u19?
@Speartackle: Daai 6 sal vandag in enige land se nasionale skolespan instap
@Vleis: Because one doesn’t merely ignore tradition. Some teams are great because of the collective of the team and some players are great, no matter how good the team performs. #KlaarGepraat. @Roger: En Rogertjie, julle gaan hierdie jaar versmoor word, al is julle die bogey team.
@Vleis: Yes but Monnas is special and they should and would beat any given team on any given day…….only a few can do that……Grey, HJS, Affies, Paarl Gim and PR also fall in that category.
But I agree with you that Monnas a bit lucky to be Top 10
But Jeppe at 7…….?????……..this system has betrayed us………………but we’ll already getting used to that………forever.
In the Lions team……….Macbeth, PJ Botha, Schoeman, Havenga, Vermaak and PJ Jacobs should definitely be picked………not one pack could tame them this year
@Vleis: and they haven’t even played KES yet – their perennial bogey team!
@BoishaaiPa: good team
I would substitute Kolisi for Skalla, Mvovo for Zass and try find space for De Allende, Kolbe and Mostert – but I would not be unhappy with that 23
@Speartackle: Given your frustration at Jeppe being ranked in the top 10, I assume that you’re apoplectic with rage at the following:
1. Monnas is ranked in the top 10, but have lost four games and drawn one already and have not beaten one top 15 side.
2. Monnas have 15 players in the top two Lions teams but: a) they got thrashed by Helpies who only have 8 players in the top two teams; and b) they lost to Jeppe at the trials (in front of the selectors) but Jeppe only have 5 in the top two teams.
I look forward to your rant re the above!
@Grasshopper: I don’t disagree with you at all. The Grey team is very good side. I think they will win but that’s my mind and logic. I do know these BOIS well though and their burning desire to take on the dream of 2015….that burns strong inside. If you don’t pitch then anything can happen in this league at the moment eats teams ask Affies.
@odie15: And it will never ever go forward again……..that is so sad but according to some bloggers here it is the right thing for our country……..so fnuck knows now……that is why I moved to this dodgy little hole next to Durbs and I am just staring out over the Big Blue….sipping on my Shoprite Kellerprinz
@Speartackle: It’s a saying…..Our superrugby coaches and Bok coaching staff don’t have the tools to coach. They rely on defence too much. It will take too much to change Bok style now. Coetsee is defence defence defence. Bok rugby has been in reverse last decade….
The same will happen as with me where my kids don’t want to believe that I won the u/3 Junior World Tennis Champs in Miami, Florida so will your grand kids never believe you in 25 years that the Boks even played in a final
@odie15: Grey need to target the scrums, the Boishaai tighthead had a torried time vs Affies. Also the Boishaai fullback can’t do the 1-man show every week. Agreed Sean is a smart coach, he is the reason Glenwood came back to life. But I really do think this Grey side is just too good, total 15 man game…
@odie15: In what way will a FIRE help us winning RWC again.
@Grasshopper: Yes you are correct history is with Grey here. This year group has beaten the Boishaai at age group level everytime in u14,15 and 16. I don’t count 2015 as only 4 of these players played last year and MX15 beat Grey. But and this is a BIG BUT last years group hadn’t beaten Grey in their whole High School lives either. It’s a challenge and you need to stand up and be counted. Grey is a strong setup this year no Doubt. Sean Erasmus is a shrewd tactition I am sure there’s something in the tank. They are playing for a lot on Saturday. They won’t go away quietly thats for sure!
@Speartackle: that’s not going to happen EVER AGAIN…….not even if there’s a FIRE!
@BOG: Eish and that section between Springfield and Gateway is like the Indy500, every bra and his Aunty flying up there at 180km/hr in a Golf R or GTI with lowered suspension, tissue box in the back, extra pipes welded on the back, 20inch sub, 12 6×9’s and drivers chair horizontal so the driver looks like he is sleeping in the back. Honest to god I looked over once and the driver smiled at me from the back, behind the B pillar….feck! How he could even see the road…..again only god knows….
@BoishaaiPa: Hoe voel daai Red Heart koppie 5 uur in die oggend?
Dis seker hoe jy Jeppe op 7 kry…….in jul Metro traffic
@BOG: Try traveling anywhere in a big metro between those hours!..That is why I leave home at 5:30am!..
@Vleis: Funny I was at Boishaai in 1988 when Pieter Loubser SA schools wing of 1987 played for Bishops as a post matric boy. We cheered every time he touched the ball and our year book for 1988 was proudly published with a page full photo of him in full flight vs us donning Bishops attire. Boishaai has 3 traditions and protesting Post matrics participation would not conform to 1 of them and you would be corrected by the rest. I have no issue with u19 players playing 1st team. I have never complained about it and maybe Bishops need to reinstate that as they really need it more so now….
I really believed in this rankings system but I must admit it has certainly let us down massively.
Jeppe lying 7th without 1 win over any Top 20 team and their only real test will be against Affies where they’ll most probably get a 38-11 loss.
This will mean they’ll most probably end up Top 10.
I admit this is a very good Jeppe side but not Top 10
@Speartackle: Try traveling from Toti to the airport (the new one- which does not look so new anymore) between 6 and 8 in the morning. If you think that you were in Calcutta (Kolkota) elsewhere, you will really think that you in Delhi. Rather walk. And try it on Monday to Friday, but take your Prozacs and a packed lunch with you.
I am prepared to swim from Toti to Durban Harbour if we ever win a World Cup again
@odie15: Realistically Glenwood should beat DHS, College and Westville, but Monnas and Affies away will be a stretch. Grey Bloem in Durban, who knows but 95% Grey win. So I think Glenwood will end up around 5th. The top spot is for Grey Bloem to lose now. I think they will have too much for Boishaai if fully fit and raring to go..
@BoishaaiPa: No thank you, that experience didn’t help us at the World Cup. Geriatrics are not required…..
@Playa: I doubt they will win those but it will be some doing to beat Grey to No1. then? We are discussing No1. aren’t we? They have a loss to Grey. Points difference and loss to Grey heavily stacked against Oakdale. Remember I say they will need too many favours. Like Grey losing to Boishaai. Glenwood losing to Grey, Gim beating Boishaai, And then they must beat everyone else left. They have Boishaai and GIM in 7 days and they travelling to Boishaai. I am sure they would prefer reverse and play GIM away this year. But as I said too many if’s for Oakdale. I am sure many opinions out there. It’s actually a very strong year group country wide. Glenwood’s reality is even closer playing Monnas on 4th. SANIX is a great experience but International schools struggle against SA school teams at SANIX and thats why not a good gauge of your teams strength. It’s at senior level that the coaching goes pear shaped and careers are moulded into jelly in SA.
@Grasshopper: Nothing beats expierence….When the going gets tough..I will want Skalla there and Whiteley sitting under the blankie next to the field…
They do strange things in the Cape…..they prefer 32B’s…..they play with their backs against the walls and towards their opponents…..they also keep their backs against the walls when walking around because of all the pafs……and they smoke Malawi Gold there
@BoishaaiPa: Boet you smoking some stuff that is better than my usual Durban Poison, Scalla! That oke should have retired 3 years ago, still trying to play flyhalf. His stats in the last match were like 17 carriers 6m made, he is in turbo reverse these days….
@Speartackle: Prove it..!
..Net so sal my span nooit speel nie..so dit is teoreties n onoorwonne span!
@Speartackle: Ons is so skraal op 9 op die oomblik dis al wat daar is!..
Waaroor gaan die fuss oor Faf de Klerk?
Is dit omdat hy soos Meisiekind se jonger sussie lyk?
@BoishaaiPa: Ag nee Bollocks man….Japan sal 50 teen daai span opsit
@BOG: But that was nothing compared to Sunday…..I drove from Toti towards Durban and decided I’ll go Ushaka Marine World and missed the turnoff to that road that runs along to the harbour and ended up in the CBD of Durban……it was worse than your biggest nightmare….it felt as if I was part of that movie Blood Diamonds. Jeepers man it was 11 0’clock on a Sunday morning….supposed to be the Sabbath and a day of rest but my gosh…..it looked like Independence Day in Sierra Leone.
Eventually I made it to Ushaka and thought I was at Park Station with all the buses there and enjoyed my Hake and Chips at Moyo’s while staring out over the once beautiful Warm Benguela Stream.
If you think Umtata High is falling apart….do yourself a favour and drive around the Esplanade here
@Kattes-Strofes: Yes officially “INTERSCHOOLS” 100 last year as there were teachers who played in 1st teams still prior to that. It officially only school boys in team since then.
@Roger: That is a difficult question as I believe you should be able to pick anyone that is eligible…Some of our best players in key positions is playing overseas at the moment…But, if I had to pick a team of locals and taking into consideration the ratios…it would probably look something like this…I am picking on form and excluding injured players like Pollard..
15. J Kriel
)
14. R Combrinck
13. L Mapoe/F Venter
12. J Serfontein
11. L Zass
10. Jantjies/Lambie
9. De Klerk/Paige (Wont mind testing Kolbe there)
8. Whiteley/Carr (Until Thor comes back
7. Skalla/Kriel
6 M Coetzee
5. Etsebeth
4. Lood de Jager
3. F Malherbe
2. A Strauss (C)/Bongi Mbonambi
1. Beast
PS du Toit can cover flank and lock
T Nyakane
@Grasshopper: Well one could say they did better than the Boks
@BOG: It took me 3 days to get from Pretoria to Toti as I passed out in Winterton on Friday night and had to stay a day extra there to recover. Then I stopped at the mall next to the highway at Maritzburg after it took me almost an hour to progress 3km on that downhill leading to that mall to buy some toothpaste and toiletries that got stolen out of my car while putting diesel in at Estcourt and for a while I thought I was somewhere between Calcutta and Lagos till I saw on my GPS that this was really PMB.
But to cut a long story short as I was about to join in on the Umtata High and the CA(SA) comments ……the thread closed
@BOG: shadddup Bog – you’ve already had one thread closed
@Speartackle: With Roger as motivational speaker and apologist. Perhaps with Julius as the “impi” before the match?
@Speartackle:
@Grasshopper: Neither could the Boks…
@Speartackle: We dont suffer from a need to be recognized by silverware!..and the 32B cups are anyway much more interesting than the cups you play for…
@Grasshopper: Prepare yourself for a huge Stormer contingent in the Bok team with Small Snorre de Jongh as captain
@Vleis: Eish the Stormers can’t even beat a Jap side….Fleckie needs to wake up…
@Losbal: The Lions have won a Superrugby tournament….and the Bulls have won three. How many have the Stormers/WP won?
@Roger: And you think that everyone was mesmerized by your misguided “intellectual”, and historically distorted comments? Going by the results, I actually asked if you are a coach or motivational speaker at KES?
@BoishaaiPa: The only cups you okes ever play with are the 32B size
@Speartackle: Mmmm. Ja die Drosdy een! As mens so somme doen dan klink dit goed. Net jammer ons leef in die regte wereld. Onthou jy die game tussen SA en Japan? Met jou somme maak behoort ons hulle so 1000-0 te gewen het. Nee wat ou maat rugby op die dag n perd van n ander kleur.
@BoishaaiPa: dis mos hoekom ons nou Super Rugby het…sodat die Leeus ook so nou en dan die Currie Beker kan wen…al is dit net in World Cup jare….
@BoishaaiPa: Agree, all these Cups are confusing….no-one outside of the Vaal has any idea of what they mean. I have said it a few times before, each province should have a top of their league team, send them to a national tourno. Then play for a National title, simple.
@BoishaaiPa: I followed with interest (after getting tired of Bogs ranting and raving) your comments on the now closed blog about springbok selection. Would be interested to see your local only 23 to start against Ireland. Merit only?
@Vleis: Dankie Vleis
@Speartackle: hahah, 13th August vs Grey Bloem in Durbs. DHS at home next week (28/05), Monnas (04/06) and Affies (30/07) away with Westville at Westville (11/06). Go to the Durban derby vs DHS, that will be a good game. DHS will be fired up and wanting to beat Glenwood. Glenwood will be rusty not having played for about 3 weeks. There will be a 5,000 plus crowd and some proper war cries.
@Speartackle: If we start playing for a cup what will be left for you guys up North?..We will take your cup and you will never see it again!…You will then again start your own league to exclude us and we will go back playing our Derbies and we wont hear you going on about cups ever again!
@Vleis: There are some weird selections but anyway however
So not one of the formidable rotating Helpmekaar front row
Monnas 13 in the 8 position
Monnas iron 8 not in any team
This Lion team would not even beat Ben Vorster
@Vleis: It was one..only one..and it was in 2011 after they won against our Northern Neighbor that and old 2006 ruling about Post Matrics were mentioned.
@Vleis: Should have been 7 from Helpies and 5 from Monnas after the St Johns debacle and what I have seen!..
@BoishaaiPa: Can’t recall the exact schools to be honest. I just remember a big fuss about six years ago. I’m sure that you are correct that the SS schools were part of the complainant group, but I distinctly remember a few Wineland schools complaining loudly too.
@Speartackle: Shadow A team has: 7 from Monnas; 5 from Helpies; 4 from KES and 3 from Jeppe…plus one from Northcliff, Bennies, Saints and Florida. See link below:
https://www.facebook.com/Schoolsrugby/photos/a.180528512013051.46178.141879789211257/1072549252810968/?type=1&theater
@Grasshopper: No man Grassy….jeepers….forget about the past now……tell me please when is Glenwood playing some decent opponents here in Durbs…..I want to go and watch that van der Mescht kid
@Vleis: Which winelands schools made the fuss?..only one as I can recall and it was the Southern Sub schools who took Bishops on eventually.
@Riempies: Affies het 50 teen julle opgesit en Grey n 50 teen Affies…..so n 100 teen julle van Grey is mos dan realisties gesproke haalbaar.
Ek erken die binne 37 minute was dalk bietjie n droom maar selfs binne 47 minute kon dalk n nagmerrie word….erger as Drostdy
@BoishaaiPa: Also Anglo Zulu war affected KZN games, let’s not forget two other ‘small’ events, WWI and WW2. It would be great to compile a list of the oldest ‘still running’ derbies in SA, starting with SACS vs Bishops, Dale vs Queens, College vs Hilton etc……
@Riempies: Ag publiseer gou vir ons daai shadow span……ek kry dit nie…asb
@Speartackle: Daardie verloor teen Affies was eerste game van jaar.. 100 punte??? Ag nee wat droom lekker.
@Speartackle:
@Speartackle: That is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard, but you love to stir the pot, that is in your nature. Derby games are usually between two rivals in close physical proximity and that have some history. I don’t believe Glenwood vs Monnas, Affies, Grey Bloem and Framesby are derbies. These are all relatively new, so set-up in the past 10 years. For Glenwood our derbies, usually played every year or twice a year, are Hilton (1915), Maritzburg College (1921), DHS (1922), Michaelhouse (1933), Kearsney (1942) and Westville (1964). We have played St Charles randomly from 1934, St Henrys Marist (1940), Port Natal (1945), Mansfield (1955 – now closed), Northlands/Beachwood/Northwood (1955), George Campbell (1963) and Grosvenor (1966). In the case of Maritzburg College we have played them over 165 times and DHS over 134 times.
@Die Ken: Gaan kyk gerus by Suparugby die shadow span is daar. Lions het dit ook geshare.
@Speartackle:
What boggles my mind day in and day out is how the Winelands and a school in Bloem and Pretoria keep on muttering and speculating about number 1 positions on a ranking system but they don’t want to play for a CUP……………….I am completely and utterly confused……..it is like claiming you are Fred Astaire without a tuxedo
@odie15: You say, “1st team rugby which has been u19 ever since I can remember.”
Hmmm…is that why the Wineland schools kicked up such a fuss and insisted that no post-matric may may play for the Bishops 1st team….even though he is only u19?
@Die Ken: Ek hoor daar is so bietjie bekommernis in Stellenbosch of julle playmaker reg gaan wees vir 28ste op Markotter.
@BoishaaiPa: Jyt die kat aan die stert beet, in n ander blog het n Helpies man ook genoem dat Jeppe vir Monnas gewen het. Skoenmaker….
@odie15: Do you reckon Oakdale still wouldn’t make no 1 if they managed to beat Outeniqua, Boishaai, Paarl Gim and Boland Landbou? Tough ask I know, but say they pulled it off for argument’s sake…where would you place them? Regardless of the other results.
@BoishaaiPa: No you are right….they won fair and square…..
Glipse gebeur ook
Dis die WK wat my de moer ingemaak het
Helpmekaar moet my eers oortuig hulle is nie n span is wat 50 teen hulle kry….as ek permutasies moet maak sou Grey dan n 100 teen Helpmekaar opsit……….en as dit in Bloem gespeel was sou die game dalk 37 minute lank gewees het
@Die Ken: Daar sal ongelukkig ook 1 elk uit of St Bennies, Parktown en dalk HTS Langlaagte moet kom……so dit los dalk net 11 Monnas…….damn
@Speartackle: @Die Ken: I recall Helpies beating Monnas at St Johns in a full game…not a trial game or am I mistaken?
Biggest factor in the year is that Grey, Boishaai, PRG, Affies, Monnas play each other. Paarl Gim don’t have a home/away agreement like Boishaai and PRG with Grey. They play just whom ever they draw in Easter festival and Wildeklawer. The biggest challenge for PGim this year was Garsfontein who seem to have fallen off the bus after year was destroyed in 2nd match of the year to EG Jansen. Potentially an unbeaten year for PGim had they not thrown that away. Their next and final BIG game is Interschools and we know that’s a 50/50 on the day. So they must be kicking themselves. PRG matrics when they were in u14,15,16 have never beaten PGim, Boishaai or Grey. They have Boishaai and Grey left to leave high school with a victory over them. The argument of having younger boys in teams vs u19’s is futile. It’s 1st team rugby which has been u19 ever since I can remember. If you good enough you play in your schools 1st team otherwise play lower down in your grade 11 year. Sometimes grade 11’s bring something that has been missing for 3 years in a teams makeup through highschool. Thankfully Glenwood will play Monnas, Affies and Grey at the backend of the season so we can have a good comparison. Monnas, Affies and PRG have an effect on No1 only with 2 losses, they can only end 3rd at best. So my opinion is 4 teams still going for No1. Grey, Boishaai, PGim and Glenwood. I know Oakdale have only lost 1 but I don’t see them in the running as they need too many teams to beat each other. And I am a Boishaaier……
@Speartackle: Ek sien uit na die bekendmaking van die Leeus CW-span. Daar behoort vanjaar so 4 Helpies ouens en so 3 Jeppe ouens in te wees, dit los 16 plekke vir Monnas-manne. O wag, kom ons gee so 2 vir KES, dus 14 plekke vir Monnas
@Speartackle: Dropped the spoon I see and sommer using an electric mixer…
@Die Ken: I also noticed that but said nothing. Let them enjoy those moments. They do not have a lot of them.
@BoishaaiPa: It is because of these wars and events that this country is in such shambles and that some of these bloggers made massive fools of themselves arguing about political spew they know nothing about. The fact is there should never have been colonials in this country. This is Africa…….continent of football, corruption and tokkelosh
@Ringo: @Speartackle: It’s funny to see how the Jeppe guys (and suddenly the Helpie ones too) claims the Lions trial game against Monnas as a win now!
BTW trial games are not real boys, same as these 50mins, no kicking stuff
@Playa: Yes, I think you are right..We must not forget that during 1880’s and again in 1899-1901/2 there were two events called the 1st and 2nd Anglo Boer War that must have interrupted certain derbys and caused some disruptions..even in the Cape Colony…Things only seem to settle after 1910 and when things started getting normalized again.
@Grasshopper: @BoishaaiPa: In a lot of cases, though schools would have started playing each other in the 1800s, most derbies only began in earnest post 1910. Lots of cases where schools would meet for the first time in say 1885, but only play each other again in 1913, and only then it becomes a regular fixture. The case of SACS vs Bishops is more an exception rather than the norm.
@Speartackle: I think Bog actually attended Umtata High and doesn’t want to admit the school is in better shape now than in his day ……
@Roger: thunder storms and A rugby field that looked more like a swimming pool than a field. Game was called due to dangerous playing conditions agreed by both headmasters on the day
@Speartackle: cmon – he went to Jeppe – the academic programme terminated at the end of standard eight
What does it matter how long ago 2 schools started playing? Some of these old schoos are so dilapidated you can hardly walk into them. Even Bog said that Umtata High is falling apart.
Some of these JHB schools look like museums in this modern age.
Bull with these century old derbies and only live in the present.
My cleanmother also used to look good in the late 50’s but now worn out.
A big up for the modern schools
@Grasshopper: The questions that should be asked is which of these matches kept going since they started and are still played today on a yearly basis?..I believe some schools have fallen by the wayside, others have stopped playing rugby and some schools don’t want to play others anymore.
@BrotherBear: exactly my point, Transvaal rugby is nowhere near as old as the Cape or KZN, naturally so as the Gold rush only started late 1800’s/early 1900’s after the 2nd Boer war. Schools were only established in that time so derbies started later. Bishops vs SACs started in 1862 with official matches starting in 1873, almost 50 years before the Transvaal schools. Potch Gim started rugby in 1918, I think Monnas started in 1921 when they opened, Ermelo in 1915. Hilton in KZN started in 1878, St Charles College in 1882, Maritzburg College in 1870 vs Hermannsberg…
@BrotherBear: 9-9 draw in 1935. Also played Helpies that year winning 11-8.Next game against Affies was in 1938 with Dale winning 13-3
Dank vader Glenwood is tans uitgesluit…..as hulle by was sou meeste spanne natuurlik 1 af moes skuif, en nr 30 van lys verdwyn….ek sidder om te dink wat @Valkie se reaksie sou wees as Nelspruit glad nie op lys was nie…lol….b.t.w ek mag heeltemal verkeerd wees maar ek dink h/s Ermelo speel ook al omtrent ‘n 100 jaar teen ‘n ander skool….?miskien Hoogenhout of Middelburg
Dink daar in die ou wes transvaal is daar ook ‘n paar skole wat al bitter lank teen mekaar speel…..moontlik spanne soos Rustenburg, Potch Volkies, Lichtenburg, klerksdorp ens…..ek weet regtig nie…miskien kan iemand help….wat is die oudste tweestryd in die Noordvaal wat nog voortduur?
@Spear; Ellisras se 014s het BV gewen by hansie week dink ek…lol…miskien moet hulle vir Affies challenge
@CharlesZA: According to my knowledge, and I hope Boishaaipa can confirm this, the inter-schools matches between Boishaai and Gim officially started in 1915. Last year was the centenary celebrations of this event. Apparently, the 2 schools did meet each other on the rugby field from the late 19th century, but it was never such a formal event. The name “Inter-Schools” was born in 1915.
@Grasshopper, @Ringo: Affies vs Helpies first game recorded in 1929. I think some other AFRIKAANS derbies Much older as well. Interesting that Affies played Dale in early years as well.
@Speartackle: Ja, maar dit was baie gelykop, 14-13. Ek weet nie hoeveel ‘n mens daarin moet lees nie, want die B’s het redelik ver verloor, so diepte is ‘n probleem.
@tzavosky: Wow…het julle 0/14’s gewen? En Helpies se 0/14’s het vir Affies maklik gewen
@Speartackle: Moet ek nou weer sê? OK, albei o.16-spanne het ver gewen, o.15’s het ver verloor, o.14A’s naelskraap gewen, B’s ver verloor.
Maar jy is eintlik veronderstel om my te vra oor die meisies hokkie, want dis al waar ek nog direk betrokke is.
@tzavosky: Lol…….naand Dok………Hoe het jul junior spanne teen Helpmekaar gevaar?
@Speartackle: Ja, en daar was nie eers ‘n vlagman wat in die lug gespring het nie, so niemand weet hoedehel dit gebeur het nie!
@Roger: Wow! Doubt he ran that 10.3 at school though.
@Roger: Do you perhaps have his Grade 9 Geography marks?
@Grasshopper: check out his bio – also played rugby league for the SA Rhinos as well as Tvl and SA Schools in 85!
Sporting Achievements
Rugby
•SAU U19, U20, U21
•Transvaal Kwaggas
•Transvaal U20
•SA U20
•SA Barbarians
•Transvaal Inter-provincial 7s
•Transvaal Senior (’88 – ’95)
•Northan Universities (‘89 and ’93)
Athletics
•Springbok team (’89) VS USA Team
•SA Record 4 x 100m relay – 39.37 sec
•Transvaal Team (’90 – ’95)
•SAU Team (’89 – ’92)
•Nedbank Prestige Team (’90 – ’91)
•Personal best – 100m – 10.3 sec / 200m – 20.5 sec (World Ranking 35) / 400m – 45.9 sec
Rugby League
•SA Rhinos
•World Cup (’95) England
•World 9’s (’97) Australia (8 Tests)
@Roger: Interesting, as 1985 was the year Glenwood had their 1st SA Schools backline player in Dennis Baronet playing centre. He still holds the 100m record at Glenwood of 10.61 run on grass. That SA Schools backline must have been blitz!
@CharlesZA: Interesting, Glenwood vs Hilton was our 1st derby, started in 1915. Prior to that it was random games starting from 1910.
@Ringo: why was Bennies abandoned at halftime.
1985 was the 50 year anniversary of rugby between Jeppe and KES and the game was played at Jeppe with Warren McCann running rings around the KES boys and Jeppe winning easily. They didn’t win again until the return match in 1990 at KES. McCann was easily the quickest school boy rugby player I have ever seen – he also had SA colours for athletics with a 100m time of 10.3 – man he could shift!
@Grasshopper: Gim BH started in 20s I think.
@Grasshopper: first game between Jeppe and Kes 1935
Rugby started at KES in 1932
@Ringo: Jeppe maybe old, but rugga in JHB only really started in the 1940’s. The Jeppe vs KES rivalry must be around 80years old now. Still a lot older than any of the Afrikaans High School derbies..
@Ringo: Sorry, I don’t know too many schools besides the usual suspects. I see they lost against another school I don’t even know……Ben Vorster
@Speartackle: Just the oldes Boys School in Gauteng at 126 years young and stilling forging ahead with great ethos and traditions of transformed Milner Era school. Which has had quite a decent season this year:
JEPPE Score for Score against
1 Thu.03Mar Zwartkop 50 10 Won Bulls R/D
2 Wed.09Mar Kempton Park 29 0 Won Away
3 Wed.16Mar St Benedict’s 24 17 Won Abandoned at h/t
4 Thu.24Mar Eldoraigne 33 18 Won KES Festival
5 Sat.26Mar Waterkloof 12 7 Won KES Festival
6 Mon.28Mar Queen’s 41 20 Won KES Festival
7 Mon.04Apr Monument 15 10 Won Lions rugby day
8 Sat.09Apr Pretoria BH 59 18 Won Home
9 Sat.16Apr Ben Vorster 12 34 Lost Lions curtain raiser
10 Sat.23Apr Northwood 46 14 Won Away
11 Sat.30Apr Hugenote 60 15 Won Wynberg 175
12 Mon.02May Bishops 40 24 Won Wynberg 175
13 Sat.07May Westville 45 14 Won Home
14 Sat.14May St Stithians 31 3 Won Away
497 204
Avg score 36 15
Remaining games this season
15 Sat.21May St Alban’s Away
16 Sat.28May Affies Home
17 Sat.04Jun Pretoria BH Away
18 Sat.11Jun St John’s Home
19 Sat.23Jul Parktown Away
20 Sat.30Jul Waterkloof Away
21 Sat.06Aug KES Home
So if you are counting that is 14 played 13 won one lost. Not bad at all
Jeppe?
Wie is dit?
Het hulle al n game gespeel vanjaar?
Boishaaipa!! Ek dink ek moet die Lotto gaan speel. My spanne, wat ek nou onlangs op die blog ge-“punt” het as n moontlike no. 1 span vanjaar, is nou jou top 5. Die enigste ander span, wat volgens my n kans gestaan het, was Paul Roos. Hul jongste nederlaag teen Oakdale, het hulle egter nou in die voet geskiet.
Die vraag is net! Wie gaan waar eindig?