Glenwood progressed to the 2016 SANIX final by beating controversial Rotorua Boys’ High 29-12 in the semi final. They then beat Higashi Fukuoka of Japan 45-6 in the one-sided final.
Rotorua BHS
In 2015 Rotorua Boys’ High School’s 1st XV was this week relegated from second place to last in the New Zealand Super Eight tournament, played between New Zealand’s most traditional rugby schools in the central region, for fielding ineligible players. As far as the NZ National Championship was concerned, an investigation later cleared them of intentional wrongdoing and they were allowed to keep their title. Incredibly they field six new players to the school plus two who had returned after a gap year in their team for the knockout. That’s more than half the starting team.
From August 2015
Glenwood has been invited to represent South Africa at the annual SANIX tournament in Japan in 2016.
Even though the Glenwood’s 2015 season might not have lived up to expectations in some respects, there is optimism surrounding their chances of bouncing back and doing very well next year, based on the quality of their players, many of whom will be returning to 1st XV action with a lot of experience.
Glenwood won the SANIX tournament in 2008 and placed third in 2009.
The SANIX tournament takes place from 29 April to 06 May 2016 and requires all teams participating to play 6 matches in 8 days.
A real pity Marco Palvie and Kevin Smit couldn’t take part too as they are part of the team, two key players in the team in fact. They would’ve both had a good rest whilst the team was away, rearing to go with the next home fixtures, some tough ones ahead….DHS, Monnas away, Affies away, College and Grey Bloem at home…..
Baie geluk en welgedaan Glenwood!
Nice one.
Well done glenwood.an excellent achievement. All the best for rest of season.
Thanks all, it feels good to have something positive around Glenwood for a change. I wonder who will be invited from SA next year…
Well done GW and lets not forget the coaching staff and management.
@Grasshopper @Greenman .Baie geluk Glenwood seuns julle is Ysters.
Kudos to the Green machine and Glenwood community
what an achievement by Glenwood truly top drawer stuff from them
@Bog.I see that Grey and St Andrews didn’t play cricket this year as Mr Volsteedt (he is back as the cricket coach) was upset at Saints for recruiting one of his cricketers (Lord alone knows what Saints could offer him that would tempt him away from Grey) .So it seems rugby ain’t the only sport where this occurs.
@Vleis: Hahahaha! Eish, you are right. I had Paarl Boys in mind…and they were runners in 2014 if memory serves me correctly.
@Playa: Are you putting the kiss of death on them?
Last year’s winners (PRG) lost their first game back in SA (ten days later) to PG…back down to earth with a bump!
@Grasshopper: dont worry. Receiption at ORTambo is going to be huge!
Congrats to Glenwood.
So, it is 2 in a row for SA!
Congratulations to the Glenwood boys on an awesome achievement.
Let’s see if they can follow in last year’s winners’ footsteps and have an unbeaten season in SA. No pressure
@Greenman: good to hear! Hopefully some of Gibson House can meet them at the airport for a heroes welcome ?
@Grasshopper: No injuries I am aware off. Back in SA Saturday morning 7 am OR Tambo.
Well done you made SA proud .
Congratulations Glenwood – world champs! Flying the SA flag – super achievement ?
@Greenman: hopefully no serious injuries?
Well done boys! To think Glenwood are probably only top 10 in SA. Our schools rugby is on another level. Affies, Boishaai, Grey Bloem, Paarl Gim, Paul Roos and a few others could have won that tourno. We now just need to look after all this talent and start beating the bloody ABs regularly!
Congrats Glenwood! Great result and a great tournament. Just the shot in the arm that the school needs this year.
Well done to The Green Maschine! Proudly SA. Trust that the young men also enjoyed the experience!
@Cappie: That would be Glenwood vs Monnas?
Great win for Glenwood and SA.
@Cappie:
Got Grey on Saturday!
@Greenman: congratulations. You deserve it.
Proud father and Glenwood supporter this morning. What a week and what joy. Will be interesting rest of season.
Well done to Glenwood. Aha, now it is the world champs against the world nr 1 later this year.
Well done Glenwood! You made yourselves and SA proud.
@Grasshopper: We will excuse you for singing the Glenwood praises for the next week as world champs.
Congrats Glenwood…
Well done GW!! Massive score. Have a safe trip home.
Boy do we need some good news with all the other nonsense going around.Well done GW for flying SA’S flag high.
Well done Glenwood…Congratulations on massive win.
wow…well played.
Well done Glenwood. Fantastic achievement.
Glenwood are the SBR World champs 2016
Baie geluk. 45-6
38-6 10min to play.
31-6 to Glenwood. 15min left.
It looks like it is 17-3 for Glenwood halftime. Go Glenwood!
Great side this. Spoke to my son this afternoon. Great win and birthday present JJ vd Mescht. Spirit high and going all the way! Go Green Machine!
@BiasedDHSDad: I’m sure you were
. A jet-lagged and tired Green Machine vs DHS’s best side in a decade in their 150th year and it being 10 years since the last victory, that is what I would call ripe for the taking…
@Grasshopper: I was kind of hoping they would play this weekend … but I think there is no 1st team match this weekend, just all the other teams, and 1sts will play later in the year.
@BiasedDHSDad: Gosh that Jap side did demolish Truro, wow! I see the fixture vs DHS is only 4th’s downwards which is good. I though they might still play after the long trip back. However, I believe we have another derby later in the year.
Congratulations Glenwood.
Glenwood is in the final of the Sanix invitational tournament. They beat Rotorua 29-12 after leading 13-12 at halftime. They will face local team Higashi Fukuoka High School who demolished England’s Truro College 67-7. Final is on Thursday.
GW – vs Queen Victoria School (Fiji) – won 14 – 10 – final pool game
1/4 final vs Keio High School (Japan) won 61 – 7
Now Rotorua on the 5th
Glenwood through to semi-final against Rotorua! http://schools.sarugbymag.co.za/glenwood-through-to-semis/
@Grasshopper: I think you’ll swat them
@Andre T: Well DHS must be licking their lips at taking on a jet lagged and tired Glenwood. I’m genuinely worried about this. However, I do think we play the fly’s twice this year.
@Grasshopper: Go Green
Swat the Fly
@Rugger fan: A good start for sure as the boys settle into their jetlag. Looks like Truro and Rotorua will be the key sides to beat. We have no Palvie and Smit there as I think it’s under18 only, so lacking two key players. Great learning for the boys in grade 11. My concern is we play DHS next weekend! Surely that won’t be enough time to recover if they make it to the final.
Next game on Sunday 1 May
Seems like the first games are a thing of the past. GW in pool c:
Game 1 – vs Toin Gakuen High School (Kanagawa) Japan
GW 52 – 3 win (8 tries)
Game 2 – vs Osaka Toin High School (Osaka) Japan
GW win 14 – 0
Game 3 upcoming – vs Queen Victoria School (Fiji – who beat Osaka but lost to Gakun
http://sanix-sports.info/rugby/2016/result/poolresult.pdf
@David: 3rd Youth Commonwealth Games rep added for Glenwood, Donovan du Randt for Sevens rugby
I see Glenwood have appointed a new Director of Cricket, Jarryd Chetty. Swift response to what the previous guy did…
@BrotherBear: So true, as soon as you think you know the breakdown and scrum rule. The red blows something out of this world. Everything you understand so far, out the window. Back to the school desk again. Saw that happen in the Grey game Jonker was reffing. There was a breakdown, 1 Grey player on the ground, GW boys went over the ruck on their feet. The Grey boy didn’t release. What should have been a penalty to GW was a scrum to Grey. The very next phase Grey were penalized for not rolling away, but was done to balance the error the phase before. So you are correct in what you say.
@Greenblooded: your comment; “He will be found out very quickly if he is deliberately cheating” refers. You know very well that these actions can easily be hidden through interpretations, especially at the breakdowns. Two specific areas where an official can easily “neutralise” a team are at the scrums and the breakdowns. It has happened at all levels, not only SBR. The “quality of refereeing” discussion also a hot topic in the BEELD SCHOOLS thread. We should be careful not to discredit the refereeing “profession”, but we must also acknowledge that a lot of development “gaps” exist and that performance improvement is not tangibly experienced at this stage. It seems there is also a general shortage of trained (and experienced) referees. What type of development and improvement plans do KZN have in place?
Just out of interest, are referees paid? If so, who pays them? Or is it a voluntary thing?
@the professor: GW send fixtures through to Dbn Refs Society and they have a committee that does the appointments. Same as all schools in all provinces I guess.
@the professor:
You sound delirious. It’s about the appearance of bias – old boy, parent, your son’s game all fits into that category. My argument is that any referee who goes to the trouble of studying the law to the extent that he can pass an exam, getting fit, attending law meetings etc obviously takes it seriously enough. He will be found out very quickly if he is deliberately cheating. Least of all a guy like Jonker who has been to the stratosphere and back.
As for your BS about Watson ‘winning the game’ for College – don’t beleive rumours. They are everywhere and mostly a load of crap. I revert to my standard defense on his behalf – that most of the referee experts in the bleachers would not get 20% for a law exam, so are hardly able to judge a referee at that level.
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks. Looks like we don’t have much overlap; only Wesley College and St Thomas College.
@Gungets Tuft: 36-17 down. Phinger problems …
@the professor: Eeisch. No credit to the boys who just played the team in front of them, came back from 36-27 down. Come on mate, that’s not the way we do it here at College, it’s just not the way you build armies.
@the professor: Go back and read the thread properly. You’re having a go at the wrong person.
As for the chirp about Watson winning the game, unless you were there you’d have no idea. But an outright accusation of cheating …… really?
@beet: No wonder it was such a close game.
@GreenBlooded: And rumor has it that Watson won College the game against KEs by all accounts! GB you have so missed the point. It is not about Old Boys, parents and schoolboys reffing! It’s about reffing your own sons game for goodness sake!
@GreenBlooded: Craig Joubert has never had a son playing at College Greenblooded. It’s not about MJ and his reffing ability. It’s about him reffing his son. And THIS is what opens him up for criticism. Apart from anything, it is not educationally fair on his son, and whoever does the referee appointments at Glenwood, (and perhaps Umbiloburger can shed light on this), should know better than to allow this.
@akw:
@beet: Hi Beet, was chatting to a Grey Old Boy who played in the 1990 side along side Ollie Le Roux. He made mention there we 22 injuries in the 1st team squad. 3rd and 4th team no longer worn the standard grey jersey but the 1st XV jersey. He made absoluetly no excuses for the “poor season” been a result of those injuries, he merely stated that if Grey is to be a rugby school they must suck it up. Imagine having that depth and talent at your fingertips.
@Bush: Players missing for the College game included 2 x 120kg props, top rated lock/flank, Os du Randt’s son at flank, no.8 captain, two centres, star wing from KERF, highly rated fullback, other fullback who has a Bulls contract for 2016.
@Andre T: So, are you implying that if you reffed your own son you would favour him and his team?
@beet: Agreed. Would be great to get clear feedbackon any transgression.
I must say – I was attending an U13 match between 2 lesser known Primary schools in the greater Durban area earlier this year when one of the team players playing against my sons team was pulled off by the coach and given a very discrete dressing down (along with his mom and dad in attendance) for repeated foul play. Apparently it was the second or third case of the boy deliberately stamping on an opponent. His coach handled it very sternly – but not ranting and raving – but clearly indicating that this is not behavior to be condoned and that there would be no more rugby for this boy (Grade 7) at the school in question. I trust he learned a lesson and will not continue using undue force. The coach then came across and apologised to the visiting team and coaching staff.
So while I’m sure most schools do not condone this – it would be great if there was transparency on actions from schools.
@Bush: Are we sure that the bus didn’t get “detained” at Montrose. It’s happened, visitors to College got …. er .. “altitude sickness” around Montrose and had to be repatriated.
Agree though, that it’s a big let down, especially the last match of the season (at home in GCB’s case – they still have a little Paarl trip to face) and not to run out. You only had to witness tough 18 year old rugby players in tears after the GCB match on Goldstones to realise how much that last match means to them. In College’s case, being 1 open team short, the 9ths played the first 1/2, then the 10th team matrics had a short run in the 2nd half just to give them that last run on Goldstones. They got a klap, but it didn’t matter to them. We got that right because were forewarned.
@beet: Well said Beet.
@Grasshopper: Yes of course Hopper, the morning the bus arrived. Call it off on Thursday or the lastest Friday. Not when you are about to run onto the park. No respect for the Grey players or school.
@GreenBlooded: agreed – much more correct word
@Rugger fan: (and others)
I think we are mixing up the the terms ‘impartial’ and ‘unattached’. Partiality implies intentional bias where attachment alludes to a current or previous association.
It is of course entirely possible to be ‘attached’ yet impartial – and I truely believe that most referees are.
@Thumper: I agree with GB and GT on this one -it is pretty impossible as a ref to be totally impartial to a school / club / team
Also – with the distinct lack of able bodies people stepping up off the stands to actually make the effort to go to meetings, learning the laws, training, writing exams, taking criticism from senior refs and refs coaches – it is a luxury that i’m sure globally all Referee Societies sit with. I’m sure the Midlands / Free State are not unique in this.
As a caveat -I do also agree that one’s own son (at an “A” level match – I’m sure at a lower game it’s not as crucial – but even then?) – no matter who the person – and what the situation is – it creates the IMPRESSION of impartiality.
my gut says as a ref – if you feel uncomfortable – rather don’t blow it.
BTW: I am only back reffign thanks to GB – so that I can assist the Midlands and am more than happy reffing the lower teams (no aspirations for a 1st XV Goldstones clash) – just so that I can stay a part of the game – and assist all others involved to have a good time too. t really makes no difference to me if College 5ths win / loose / who their opposition was / whose mom was watch (or what she was saying) – as long as I ca do my best and hopefully facilitate the 30 plus players to do their best. (even though I’m an MC Old boy)
@Grasshopper: That Loch Logan shore break is not what it used to be.
@akw: Surfing and bodyboarding did well too ;-)
@Bush: There could have been boys ill in key positions like prop & hooker, who knows. I’m sure there was a legit reason for having to call it off…
@Grasshopper: Your debating team did well…
@Grasshopper: Good one. That game was on the fixture. WTFU
@beet:
Andy Keast. Eish. If there was the refereeing equivalent of “Nightmare on Elm St” – he would be Freddy Kruger!!
@beet:
He wasn’t loud and abusive, just making stupid remarks to his players on the bench and questioning the AR’s every time the whistle went. It’s just annoying – and doesn’t teach the boys to take responsibility for the loss. Just blame the ref. From my vantage point, the game was reffed well. Westville were just a far better team on the day.
@Thumper: Eeisch. Imagine a College vs Westville derby, 25 or more fixtures, trying to find 25 society or other refs that have no allegiance to either school. Good luck with that. Then you’re left with school coaches reffing their own schools where the allegiance and pressure is likely to be even stronger.
I’m comfortable with the professionalism of all the refs, even agreeing with Bush to a degree that a ref might be tougher on his own school (would CJ have sent off a Glenwood player in the Match of the Decade on Goldstones. At the dinner the night before he spoke about managing impartiality, and said then that the danger was over compensation. I don’t think we need to fix something that’s not broken, but the added complication of reffing your own son, I reckon a ref should decline, for reasons already stated. And also because he should be watching his son play, he will not be able to do that while reffing.
@Thumper:
Well there goes my reffing career then – as well as the other 2 College parents who regularly ref there. I only ref at College because I’m there to watch my son. Actually, you can now also exclude a number of the top Midlands refs who happen to be College Old Boys (Watson, Pace to name just 2). And definitely the College Boys who ref at the lower levels. Let’s see now – that leave us with…..College staff members to ref all the games….
@Bush: I wonder how House’s 8th team would have done..
@Grasshopper: And GW played Greys 3 and 4th team. As a result of many injuries. Your 8th team didn’t even pitch. A family flew from Harrismith to watch their son play his final game on the Hoof Veld. They had warmed up, shed a few tears in the changeroom. About to run on, only to be informed that GW 8th team was there. Shadow rugby was played and that was a close one, Jonker made a kuk decision and Grey’s shadows won.
@Bush: That was worth the mention because over the years there have been complaints about the refs in Bloem and although this u15A sudden appointment and the ref’s son being in the team are where the controversies lies, no one has questioned the quality of the reffing. So my guess is that the reffing was of the expected high standard.
Glenwood vs Grey results, still looks ugly! http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULT%20VS%20GREY%20BLOEM%20AUG%202015_0.pdf
The 7th just avoided triple figures. By this stage in the season the school must be like the walking wounded. Why we go and throw the boys in against arguably the strongest school in SA, I still can’t fathom.
@GreenBlooded: On a different note hearing the Welsh u18 coach issuing instructions etc in the background of the recent u18 internationals reminded me of Andy Keast, but only coz of the accent and not the vocabulary. I thought might have triggered some fond memories for you if you had heard it as well while watching.
@Thumper: Morning, I was at the game. GW were all over Grey. Jonker to me was more toward the Grey side, which may have been a result of his son been in that side. I agree with what is been said, it’s very much like a bad Zuma deal on the mines. It had no effect on the result at all. I’m been fair as I’m sure you know my feelings.
@GreenBlooded: We are receiving this kind of news about school officials giving refs a hard time all the time. When will we be able to read things like school official reprimanded for conduct or school official fined for misconduct or school official receives touchline ban for repeated offences or headmaster apologises for poor behavior of his representatives and promises to clean up???
@GreenBlooded: I feel the same, if any ref has an affiliation to any school, he should’nt ref. It takes out any form of finger pointing, period!!
@Thumper:
How do you feel about Craig Joubert reffing a College 1st team game?
@Grey Brak: A definite conflict of interest in my books!
@Vleis: Those schools :
Wesley College
SJW Academy
St Josephs College
Malayadeva College
Mahinda College
Foundation of Goodness
Methodist High School
St Thomas College
@Thumper: I think it would be a pity to deny schoolboys the opportunity of being reffed by a former (or current) test ref. There are many occasions at top level in South Africa that this happens, and every ref has an “allegience” somewhere, either as an Old Boy or having a boy at school. The KZN Societies would be decimated if we took all of them out. Dad’s are not going to go and ref House vs Hilton and miss their own son’s match at College.
My query is not MJ’s impartiality, As Burger says, he has a reputation to look after, but rather the appearance of impartiality.
Whatever the reason that he reffed his owns son’s matches (Glenwood vs Westville) or this Saturday, I am surprised he agreed. The Westville match is still mired in controversy – the original ref being removed from the 1sts and replaced, then MJ appearing on the Friday to ref the U14 – left a lot of people disappointed, not least the ref that had already been slated to take charge of the 1sts who had to make room for Archie.
This weekend – despite Mr Burgers protests to the contrary, I bet a quick look at the fixture list would reveal that it would have been just as easy to put MJ into a fixture where his son was not playing and bring that ref to the U15A, any appointments secretary worth his salt can swing that, and I am pretty sure the Free State wouldn’t have a mug in charge. It wasn’t done, obviously because the organisers, coaches and MJ himself have no qualms. There’s my raised eyebrow.
@umbiloburger: MJ should not ref any GW game period!!
@umbiloburger: How many of your u15A games has he reffed?
@McCulleys Workshop: You are forgetting that he wasn’t meant to ref it. There was no referee and he was asked at the last minute to ref the game. Both coaches agreed as did the Society. I don’t see what the issue is here.
@the professor: Not good to comment if you don’t have the facts……he has refereed many Glenwood games……on Saturday he did the thirds.
@Bush: I want your hat! Where does one buy them. And DS, SM and I want to take you out for a beer or 3. You’re a legend.
@Bush: As someone who is very far from Bloem, I cannot give you exact figures. All I know, it were many
@Andre T: It’s a Glenwood thing. Wonder why he doesn’t do 14A, 16A or even 1st team games. Must have a connection with Umbiloburger who coaches the U15A. Sounds like Umbiloburger has very strong referee society connections.
@McCulleys Workshop:
I’ve only reffed my son once – and that is because his match was brought forward by 2 hours and no-one told the ref. I was already kitted up from a previous game so I reffed it. I will never ref my son if I can possibly help it – I prefer to focus on his personal performance in the field and I can’t do that if I’m reffing. But that’s my personal opinion – others might have different feelings.
Why would a non-GW parent travel all the way to Bloemfontein to watch GW play Grey? Or a non-College parent for that matter…
The games I reffed on exchange were not A team games.
@GreenBlooded: @the professor: GB, sounds good, but how often did those games include your son and were they A team games? Surely there are non GW old boys/parents who could participate in the exchange?
@umbiloburger: I’m with Gungets on this, it was raised at the time of the Westville game, why does it happen again? It is important to note that the only reason we are discussing this is because it was raised by Grey supporters, it hasn’t come out of nowhere or from anti GW sentiment.
Any Grey readers out there???? I have asked BOG this question not sure if he read it. How many injuries have Grey 1st XV had this year? I was given a number but not sure if it was the Black Label Special speaking or fact.
@umbiloburger: The first persons hand you shook after the game was Jonkers, it didn’t look like a normal handshake. It looked mafia style. Hey well done to your team, great performance.
@GreenBlooded: @Greenblooded So how many times have you reffed the College under 15A team on those exchanges?
I can’t believe that Maruis Jonker actually referees his own son’s games……that is absolutely not on
@the professor:
The ‘referee interchange’ is actually a positive thing. I’ve reffed at PBHS (Blue Bulls) and at Grey College (Free State) through the interchange and I’m very appreciative of those opportunities.
@umbiloburger: My point is simply that I would think that MJ would wish to avoid the impression of conflict of interest. On two occasions that’s not happened. I’m surprised, that’s all. It was actually a rhetorical statement, but I’m pretty sure I’m not alone thinking that.
@Djou: I’m not on this blog to fight….well I hope I’m not. Thanks for your thoughts.
@Gungets Tuft: May I suggest that you call the referees society and / or Grey Coll and ask them what happened. I’ve chatted to the coach and Grey staff and I am satisfied.
Quite frankly I am not going to concern myself with what people think about who should referee who and where etc etc. Glenwood had absolutely nothing to do with this appointment.
@umbiloburger: Lastly, I am not as uniformed as you might think. A lot going on in referee circles. Hope you know this.
@Grasshopper: No excuses, just stating a point. GW won fair and square.
@umbiloburger: I am glad you know him personally and I am sure he is a good person. But I still … nevermaaind and let’s leave it there.
@Gungets Tuft: @Gungets Tuft There is a pattern here that when the GW U15A coach was at College he used to arrange his own referees accordingly through the local union he was a part of. He actually arranged for these local refs to officiate his games at PBHS, Affies, and KES. Like you I will never believe that the Free State Rugby Referees Association are ever short of referees……they never have been!
@umbiloburger: Partiality aside, do you think it’s a good idea to have any referee officiating where his son is playing. Frankly, I’m not buying the “there was nobody else” story. Is the Free State Union that bad?
It’s not the first time it’s happened, it was the same with Glenwood vs Westville, and that was announced a day early, so no excuse not to switch the U15 and U16 around, it just makes sense.
If I was MJ I would have asked the U16 ref to step down to U15 and then ref the U16. It kills the whole discussion.
Very dissapointing GW against Grey. Expected more by GW but it appears they closed shop a week ago. Only shining light was the under 16 giant JJ vd Mescht. What a player! Looking forward to next year.
@Grasshopper: I had a long chat with 2 very senior grey staff who also watched the match and they were very happy with the refereeing. And these guys have coached Grey at 1st team level for years. The school Grey won’t make any excuses, it’s not in their nature. It is just disappointing that such a great game is being overshadowed by uniformed individuals. They don’t represent Grey just like I don’t represent GW.
@Maroon: Marius Jonker was asked to ref as their wasnt a ref available.
@the professor: Another new name!!!! You must have Beet been working overtime.
Great game to watch and it was videoed so if you want to scrutinize the ref, I am sure either GW or Grey would oblige in giving you a copy.
@Djou: I know Marius personally and I am reassured that he is above reproach. The game was an epic one, similar to the 2014 encounter, except in this one GW came out winners by a single point. Perhaps a draw would be have a better result.
The moment of the game was at the end when the two teams got together and had a photograph. Perhaps us adults can learn something from that…..or we should we rather tell our kids to refrain that type of stupidity and accept that they lost because of a cheating referee.
@Djou: Jonkers performance…
@Grey Brak: @Grey Brak. Am not at all surprised that MJ “suddenly” got to ref the Under 15A of all teams! That would have been engineered by Umbiloburger long before the time. There are rumours of him doing the same when he used to take Midlands refs along on all the College exchanges on the pretext of an interchange between two referees unions and then the Midlands refs would end up reffing his U15A team on the day! Never ideal to have a father ref his son despite who he may be as it will always lay itself open to some criticism. Nepotism at its very best I fear!
@Grasshopper: He is playing for Lesotho mater.
@Grasshopper: Excuses: Uhmm?
Wait are Grey bloggers making excuses, I thought you never made excuses.
@BOG: Is jy nie dalk Kevin Curren nie?
@umbiloburger: believe again. A certain French referee is doing it all the time and he is so protected by the IRB that it is beyond believe.
@David: can’t be, only one male tennis player going. We have a swimmer too, Isemonger. Lekker dag!
@Grasshopper: Yes!! 2 are going Hopper. Tennis and swimming, lekker dag!
@BOG: any Grey players going to the Commonwealth Youth Games? Nope! http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/glenwood-boy-selected-commonwealth-youth-games-samoa
@Grasshopper: I can guarantee that all your top seeds were there. Its why GCB is top seeded SA school and why they represented SA schools in Doha.
@umbiloburger: Thanks
@McCulleys Workshop: Both coaches have a proven track record and I think they have worked well with the teams they’ve had.
@McCulleys Workshop: Marius has refereed 2. Westville which GW won by about 60 and then Grey by default.
@Djou: I was at the game. Between Grey and The Cheethas Refs no one was appointed to referee the match. Marius was obviously there to watch and the ref the 3rdXV. He was then asked to ref the match. It was a brilliant game of rugby with 6 superb tries being scored. I cannot believe that anyone would think that a former international referee and current TMO would throw away his reputation to affect the outcome of a match. Please guys this is an U15 match. And the scrums were handled fine with Grey winning 3 tight heads.
@BOG: Hi BOG, jis I love Grey College Corner. Tell me, how many injuries did your First XV have this year?
@GreenBlooded: I don’t have a coach nor am I commenting on the Glenwood coaches personal hygiene, but rather a view on his coaching skills two years into the job.
@McCulleys Workshop:
I think you should rather concern yourself with your own coach. Some very poor form shown by him on the touchline this afternoon. It seems that as soon as House gets on the back foot he starts making dumb-ass remarks about the referee. Not the first time I have witnessed it from this individual. His behavior seems to rub off on the boys too – don’t really like to see a schoolboy berating a referee after a match like that. And no – I wasn’t the referee before you ask.
Ville were deserved winners of the 7’s today. Well done to them. Seeing a hefty youngster like Prinsloo mucking in on the 7’s circuit is testimony to what an awesome player he really is. Like Front-Row cross Loose-Forward cross Backline player. Incredible.
@Grey Brak: @BOG:
Lord knows there has been some controversy around schoolboy referee appointments this season.
@BOG: just a general question, how many boarders does Grey have? That will reveal a lot!
@BOG: yes, to beat Grey at Glenwood in 2016 & 2018 ;-)
@BOG: I bet our top 3 seeds were not there in the tennis..,
@BOG: Ask how many of his sons games he has blown this season.
The matches took place at Grey. Im just surprized that Jonker managed to blow this game.@Grasshopper: Its what happens to those under age teams from now, onwards, that matters. And the tennis results? Firsts: 9-0 ; Seconds : 9-0 ; and U 15s : 6-0
@Grasshopper: @Umbiloburger – I would like to get your feel for your new coach, he has done two seasons now, last year being a relatively good season, this year less so.
@Grasshopper: No doubt you are right. House would find them very difficult at Balgowan!
Westville have a good mix of age groups in 7’s from u16 to u18. RN doing good things with the 7’s squad.
@Griffonfly: Yep – and DHS took the U15 age group. Glad to see that the Skonk gives the lower age groups a run – and great to see so many schools there (many of them not the traditional rugby schools doing well).
Like Kloof beating Hilton, and Port Natal looking very good too.
I will never forget one incident caused by a specific referee showing just how childish he can be. After he made a stupid decision in a super match, the journalist of a specific newspaper wrote he made a stupid decision. So, when arriving at the hotel the next week (ahead of the next match he had to referee) he saw the journalist. He called the journalist and then his wife and son. Then he told his wife and son “This is the guy who says your dad is an idiot”. So, the journalist responded – “I never wrote you are an idiot, only that you made a stupid decision”. So Marius caused a big scene – even after the journalist walked away he kept shouting at him.
So, this is the calibre of person. Hope he changed.
@Grey Brak: So Marius did it again – in the same way he refereed the Cheetahs out of many a Currie Cup match. Nevertheless, congrats to Glenwood for this one. And to all the old-Garsies now at Glenwood’s u.16’s.
But then there is always the first team!
Westville_BHS are the 2015 @NashuaPMB Skonk rugby 7’s u18 winners, beating @MichaelhouseKZN by 33-19. Good win for a Westville.
The Grey vs Glenwood u\14 match ended 24-5 in the favour of Grey. Apparently a Glenwood boy received a yellow card and became abusive about it towards the referee and also had a “scuffle” with his coach about it?? Sounds really strange. Ultimately that was the end of Glenwood’s unbeaten u14 season.
The u\16 match was a real good game to watch. Glenwood led 18-8 at the break but Grey made good use of the wind in the 2nd half to ultimately draw the match. Sounds like both teams missed a few crucial players. Well done to both sides on some great rugby.
I’m just as amused at the fact that Marius Jonker reffed the u\15 match even though his son plays for the Glenwood u\15 team. On a regular basis the Grey team built up some momentum or forced a turnover only to be penalised. They were also heavily penalised for dominating the scrums. Ironically this was the only match Grey had lost on the day be it by 1 point.
@Grasshopper: Please explain to me how a Glenwood parent in the form of Marius Jonker could ref the U15A game?
The erratic season finished on a low, not too memorable bar a large win vs College & a win over Noord Kaap. An Affies win would have made it a better one. Roll on 2016, the age groups look good :-)
@Grasshopper: Nice wins for your junior sides.How did the under 14As go?
I just thought with Pietermaritzburg College only losing to Grey by 2 points and GW putting up almost 60 against PMBC that Glenwood would easily beat Grey
@McCulleys Workshop: House should try play Grey in Bloem, they start with a 30 point lead…some good Glenwood sides have kopped 60 points plus there.
Grey 40-10…….what a surprise……thought GW were the favourites
@Griffonfly: Every reason why you can’t compare school sides based on their performance against rivals and arrive at anything conclusive. College got a proper bun from Glenwood, College ran Grey to within a point or two, Glenwood got a bun from Grey.
Grey College 40 Glenwood 10 FT Who played no 8 for Glenwood?
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks.
@Grasshopper: Good win
@Grasshopper: 16A 21-21. Oh ye of little faith.
Under15a Glenwood 22 – Grey 21!
@Vleis: Going to rely on my Lurker mate. His son went on the tour and he and his missus followed the tour. I’ll get the list.
@Gungets Tuft: Do you know which schools you played in Sri Lanka? I’m curious to see if we’re playing the same schools. These schools are massive – one has 10,000 kids (from grade 1 to 13), another 4,500.
@Gungets Tuft: Amen..
Glenwood probably the 3rd or 4th best side in KZN over the last few years, let alone the rest of the country, so strange decision. Anyhow, best of luck to them, hope they do SA proud.
So…I decided to take a break from Sri Lankan school cricket to read about some rugby on this blog (while sitting in a bus on my way from Kandy to a tea estate in Hatton); however, it looks like I can’t escape!!
@Grasshopper: College were good value up front against Grey and their pack is much smaller than Glenwood. Depends on the fight in the dog.
@Grasshopper: And here we were thinking that Glenwood had petitioned the selectors and seen to it that Palvie was called up, and all along it was Bog et Cie.
@Grasshopper: Ye’ of little faith.
So Palvie has been called up for SA A and on the bench, therefore Glenwood will be without 2 of their best and most powerful forwards. Klopper starts tomorrow. I believe Grey have one out. The hill gets even tougher to climb!
@tzavosky: Ja, ons hang ma nog steeds hier rond vir die liefde van die game…Ma ons was net so 8 Boishaaiers..darem nie 28 nie!…Alhoewel ek seker vir T partykeer laat voel het asof 28 hom aanpak!…ons het n paar woeste fights daar gehad!…Mens mellow maar so met loop van die tyd!
@Greenman: Julle het al. stop nou jul kak
@Grasshopper: Grassy, if the boys arent nic e to you, let me know, i’ll sort them out
@Andre T: Snaaks, ek vra nog laasweek vir my oudste wie was die slot wat moes terugstaan vir Willemse..hy kon ook nie onthou nie, maar dankie dat jy my geheue verfris het. Leon was n stoere Monnas ondersteuner op die 365 blog, maar hy het mos maar afgeklim toe James PUK toe gaan?
@Andre T: en Ploeg, wat diep in sy binneste ook n Boishaaier is
@Andre T: Ja, dankie, nou onthou ek!
Een episode van 365 wat ek nogal geniet het, was toe die main manne van die hoofblog die skoleblog binnegevaar het (GavCT en kie), toe klub die skolebloggers saam teen daai lot (vriende en geswore vyande!). Ek dink Ploeg was ook nog in gedrang, maar hulle het vinnig padgegee!
‘n Ander verskynsel wat ek oor tyd waargeneem het (hier en by 365) is dat ouens aanmeld wanneer hulle seuns 1ste span speel, maar vinnig verdwyn as daai jaar (of twee) om is. Ander, soos jy, Ploeg, BHP, BOG (en die rampokker van Tzaneen) is maar altyd in die omgewing, ongeag.
@tzavosky: Dit was Leon Meecham…..ja James het in 2009 SA Akademie gekry as n 5 slot en toe Willemse daar aankom het James 8 toe geskuif maar Stony was eintlik die 8 en toe is dit n deurmekaar spul want Ruan Venter was die 4 slot en Paul toe 5 slot. Paul was te groot en die ouens kon hom nie optel in die lynstane maar miskien kan Murrayfield meer uitbrei…..Hy en Mnr Meecham was dik pelle
James was na skool Puk toe maar beserings het hom geteister…..n ongelooflike begaafde speler en n wonderlike kind.
Ou Leon kon hoes hoor, as hy gehoes het , het almal in die gazebos geweet Leon is in die omtrek
@Greenman: So you haven’t asked this scholar whether he was happy or not where he was a and yet you’re certain no kid changed schools if they’re happy?Maybe you need to define what you mean by happy
I’ll give my take.A kid on a full scholarship at a top school leaves for a school 600km away and pays his own way wasn’t happy where he was.If the same kid left for another ‘scholarship’…..well…he wasn’t happy with the previous offer that’s all.
I know his dad..he has done this before.
@Redblack White: Hahahahaha that’s hilarious
@Greenman: And a sense of humor. don’t worry about it. If I haven’t been able to explain myself by now then I clearly lack the literacy to do so.
No matter, just drop it, you support Glenwoods style of recruitment, you are a beneficiary. It works for you, that’s all that counts.
@Gungets Tuft: Hi, do me a favour and don’t get personal. This is a Blog where free speech reigns yet there is respect. Keep it like that.
Maybe you know more about your own area as to comments you made about the EC. Those concerning Durban and Glenwood must be your perception. My boy is there with a full scholarship since Grade 8. The rest is for your own pocket.. They don’t get pocket money, they don’t need it as they are look after. There is no time for ladies, there is no free transport, please count the CW/AW players from Glenwood. Yet, there is something there (in Hostel) that is absolutely mindboggling. Comradery, care, support, respect, good but strict teachers, a history which obviously ends up in happiness.
Best decision he ever made!
@Andre T: Re die 365 dae, wie was daai ou van Monnas nou weer wie se seun moes plek maak vir Paul Willemse, toe begin hy ‘n webblad wat spelers in die buiteland probeer verkoop?
Ek het sy seun se loopbaan probeer volg, maar lyk my hy het verdwyn en Willemse was toe meer suksesvol na skool.
@Redblack White: We used to own it. Do not be so rude. The wood panelling is to die for
@Greenman: Have you been drinking. You’re calling on other people to expand on what they’ve said but are content to say “not happy” as a criteria for moving.
Here – pick one
1. Not enough pocket money.
2. Being bullied at his present school, and expect the boys at at Glenwood to be more gentle.
3. No free transport for mom and dad where he is
4. EP Kings don’t stack up to the Sharks as a Union.
5. Finds the EC boring
6. Durban chicks are nicer
7. Guaranteed CW/AW representation without high preforming pesky opposition interfering
8. All of the above
9. Something else
Glenwood has something Selbourne doesn’t. Just expand.
@Gungets Tuft: Happiness!@Gungets Tuft: Maybe you should ask the scholar. How would I know.
@Greenman: Why don’t you start by elaborating on what might make a Kallis scholarship boy “not happy”?
@Greenman: Which then opens the discussion on exactly what Glenwood offered instead of all expenses paid at a private school. Any ideas to start us off?
@Die Ken: Ons kom maak sommer by julle ook n draai!lol!
@Playa: Maybe you should elaborate not just make a statement. We like to back things up. Mine was “happy”
@Gungets Tuft: It obviously wasn’t enough!
As well as the picture of the FooTlong special from that Bloem roadhouse back in the days when the Oranje girls couldn’t resist it
@Grasshopper: I am also willing to have my Pniel picture raffled at the gala dinner
@Andre T: Eerste prys, n week se verblyf en tweede prys, twee weke ?
Who else googled Luipaardsvlei Hotel to check its existence
@Andre T: Good one Mr T
@Grasshopper: I am willing to sponsor a weekend for 2 at the Luipaardsvlei Hotel in Krugersdorp at your fundraiser
@kosie: The parents and boys went all out to raise money. Some very big successful evenings (like the David Miller evening) raised up to R100K if I’m not mistaken (one of the dads is a lurker here – he organised the evening, he will message me shortly
). A very good raffle with a weekend away at a game reserve and all-in tickets to the Ellis Park test. As always there were a couple of VERY involved parents, huge energy, really smashed the price down for them.
@Grasshopper: I can tell you I paid R 25 k for the trip and they stayed in 4 star hotels.
@kosie: Agreed and apologies If I take over some threads, it’s an awesome tool to get your mind off work. Now Beet just needs to make a little money out of it, couple of banner ads or a small contribution from bloggers…..
@GreenBlooded: The success of this blog is because Beet lets us carry on a bit even if its not related to the thread. All in good humour I might add.
@kosie: Kearsney would have charged closed to R60k for the same trip…
@GreenBlooded: The bad old days or ‘big brother’is watching you…..
@Gungets Tuft: My son had a similar experience last year when their cricket team also toured Sri Lanka. It coincided with the Protea tour to SL and they could attend a day at one of the tests.
He came back with enough Ceylon tea to keep us going for a few years. We paid quite a bit more than you guys forked out. The experience was unbelievable.
@kosie:
Rugby365 days were a very tough time. We had to be very careful what we said or our comments would get deleted by Oom Paul. Sometimes he got so gatvol he sommer deleted the whole thread of comments. And everytime, you would get an email from him telling you why that you need to behave on the forum. I think Andre T and Speartackle held the record for most emails received. They even created a special folder for them in Outlook. It’s lekker that ou Beet just lets us run amok here……
@Andre T: So was hy geKaap?
@kosie: 365 was mos n Kaapse blog….ek het op n staduim getel……daar was 28 Boishaaiers op
@Andre T: Nee, was te bang die Woesranders rand my aan aangesien ek maar edel van inbors is.
@Grasshopper: The cricket tour played about 5 matches across Sri Lanka, and it was in the July school holidays so no school time off. It was a tour, immersed in the culture. Not a single venue where you play over a week. The squad was also made up of grades 10, 11, 12 – It’s cricket, so you can.
@kosie: Was jy ook daai tyd op 365?
@Andre T:
May you rest in Vrede “And reT”ain your inspirational comments on this blog!
@Grasshopper: That only happens in movies
@Andre T: Yes, like me, myself and Irene were all real but one person…..
@Playa: No that wasn’t me…….in fact all those people existed…..not one of them was ever fake
Beast, Slam and the latest Westville New York-sider were my favourite…
@Andre T: And what happened to The Beast?
@Andre T:
@GreenBlooded: Nah….those days we had a dungeon in Krugersdorp West……and we were a whole crowd…….we were actually all freelancing call centre agents for Adult World but 365 was so exciting we (myself, Spear, Festus, Nonnie, Naartjie and Johan Beyers) spent hours on 365………yep those were them good old days
@Grasshopper: A tour to Sri Lanka would not involve playing a game everyday, while being stuck in one city.
I actually like these aggressive recruitment strategies of Garstfontein and Glenwood….it shows that these schools are highly driven to be the best….and that I like……who wants to send their children to a school that is prepared to be second best or to a school that shy away from competition?
I know of a youngster from Klerksdorp who is going to Glenwood next year and the boy is so enthusiastic about it……he already knows their age group rankings and follows them on twitter
@Andre T:
I’m sure I remember from 365 days that you were sitting on the verandah of the old age home with so many laptops open for your various avatars that one of the old bullets thought it was mission control at Nasa….
@Grasshopper: It’s a great opportunity indeed. But may not suit everyone.
@Die Ken: Yep, 110 years young in 2020, spring chickens! So next years intake is probably going to be spectacular and why not. Leave the recruitment there though.
@Gungets Tuft: I was about to raise a question regarding your 1st point but you beat me to it: Which local rival is going to suffer as a result of the trip to Japan? I already, whilst not being particularly diplomatic, raised concerns regarding the effect such a tour will have on the 1st XV squad members’ academics. Valid concerns regarding the SANIX trip!
@Gungets Tuft: I think a Warren Whiteley jersey might fetch more though. We actually have two OB’s that could do a great hosting job, Sias du Plessis and Damon Beard….I would prefer Sias though..
@Gungets Tuft: All good points. How do explain the benefits of a cricket tour to Sri Lanka then? I think each school decides what benefits a tour/trip will have for their team & kids. I will be at a work conference in Vienna at the time unfortunately, otherwise I would have attended…
@Grasshopper: Lot’s of reasons.
1. Already full fixture list with traditional rivals.
2. Cost
3. Logistics – it’s not as if Sanix is going to send a charter to pick you up and deliver you back.
4. Academics. It’s a matric year for 3/4 of the squad.
5. Sanix is not a tour. They go to Fukuoka, play X number of games and come home. A NZ tour is another thing altogether.
I’m not opposed to a tour, but this is not that. It’s just more rugby, and I’m not sure of the travel and cultural benefits. It is great (well, decent) marketing for the school though.
Are you going to go to the first Glenwood fundraiser. Perhaps get a NZ cricket shirt from Colin Munro to auction. College auctioned off shirts and other memorabilia from KP, David Miller and others, it’s quite lucrative. In fact I think DM actually compered the one evening with great success.
@Bwana: True! Poor Selborne and the Northern Suburbs schools of CPT.
@Die Ken: Not just the Noordvaal but the whole country!
@Andre T: Ek verstaan dis Glenwood se 110 jarige viering in 2020. Die Noordvaal manne moet maar vashou aan hul seuns, groot poaching oppad die volgende 5 jaar.
@Rugger fan: Yep
! I mean I support my Alma Mater but I will never support recruitment, poaching etc. I have no problem with aggressive promotion & scholarships at grade 8 level, the natural time for boys to move schools and get a great intake. But stick with these boys, show loyalty and faith in their abilities. It will give them more confidence and help them grow.
@Grasshopper: Grassy – scary stuff – but more scary – is that could very well have been done in a SAfrican accent – about the very schools we debate here regularly!
@Grasshopper: I think I am younger than you
@Andre T: Many old to the blog, we been doing this for 5 years or more….ex 365 boys..
Another that sounds very familiar; http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10904307
@Grasshopper:
Easily, multiple email addresses….old Andre T and Spear have like 3 avatars…
Grassy why you call me old? And how is it possible to be Spear if we are family?
This is very interesting, watch the clip; http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10904666
@Gungets Tuft: Why? Who wouldn’t want to play a strong NZ, Aus, Eng or French side….great opportunity. Obviously a tour to NZ would be the ultimate prize, play Gisborne, Roturua, Auckland Grammar, Christchurch etc….awesome!
@Griffonfly: As per Gunget’s post, maybe they aren’t interested. Besides the financial reasons, a lot of schools in SA do not favour a competition format and prefer festivals instead. I reckon, besides the usual suspects that have participated, the Beeld trophy giants would find it appealing and I wonder if some have actually put their hands up for the jol.
@Grasshopper: I think you’ll find the line of schools wanting to participate quite short.
Affies ran College to death … just saying ….
If there is an application process, the other KZN schools need to improve on their tender process. Glenwood seem to have one up on all the other schools. But I would expect this from Glenwood as it does pertain to rugby.
@Griffonfly: I actually think a school shouldn’t go more than once. Each top tier school in SA should have a chance as they all have different playing styles. The Japanese could learn quite a bit more from playing contrasting styles eg Bishops & Dale, run it at every opportunity and never kick style to Affies Bulls type rugga.
Thanks Grasshopper and Playa.
@Griffonfly: I missed your question. From what I understand, it works as a tender system. Schools apply to SARU to be nominated, and I guess the best proposal gets the nod. In essence, a school must make themselves available for nomination.
Japan takes in the top 4 teams in the country, while every other country goes with the team nominated by their respective unions
SANIX covers half the costs for all the international schools.
@Griffonfly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanix_World_Rugby_Youth_Invitational_Tournament
The question I am asking is not directed at Glenwood but to the bloggers who are reading this. Maybe someone at Glenwood can give me an answer, and not answer or twist this into Westville vs Glenwood discussion on everything else that has happened over the last few years.
I am just curious as to how the school was chosen. If it was chosen by SARU, next time maybe SARU could look at another KZN school. Good luck to Glenwood who will be representing SA next year.
@Greenman: “A kid will never move if the school he is at looks after him and he is happy.”
That is hogwash and you know it.
@Grasshopper: I can assure you I am not Slam
@Bwana: Easily, multiple email addresses….old Andre T and Spear have like 3 avatars…
@Grasshopper: How can I be Slam when he is still active on the Blog?
@Gungets Tuft: Could be, in his case maybe it was his parents trying to find the best deal. Such a loss to KZN rugby. Him, Palvie and old Pedantic’s lighty could have formed an awesome loose trio…
@Bwana: Hi Bwana, Hopper should change his name to Egg Eater. As he can dislocate his jaw to suck “Roster” when he needs to.
@Bwana: In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were not ‘Slam’ reincarnated.
@Grasshopper: I also think there’s been some sort of incentive other than the Glenwood sports structures. My point is just that it’s not only about “being happy”, there are other factors at play. For example the well publicised move of a boy from College to Glenwood and then on to an English school. It was about new opportunity, not unhappiness (well, perhaps a bit of unhappiness with College about discipline).
@Bwana: I think you do the same. Unless you actually involved with the dealings how do you know so much? I bet it’s mostly grapevine drivel.
@Grasshopper: But you sure as hell like to speculate. Maybe you should ditch the marketing and speculate on Cattle!
@Bwana: Maybe, I’m not close enough to it.
Yes, I am aware of that. Seems like it’s attack Hopper at any opportunity” week…..at least it keeps it interesting…
@Pedantic: The kid from the Lions, the one from Etvl and even the NOFS.
@Grasshopper: No it was a combination of the boys parents and the Glenwood 1st XI cricket coach who made the approaches not the Unions. Stop making excuses for the underhand dealings of your Alma Mater.
Well done to Westville for being able to learn from different schools. College I know are very active within the International Boys Schools Coalition (IBSC). Knowledge sharing is a powerful tool to stay current and relevant these days, you should know as you are a marketing guru!
@star: So Grey Bloem, KES, SACS, Rondebosch, Wynberg, Grey PE etc don’t fit those requirements? Dude, there is no reason why Westville was ‘picked’ ahead of these sorts of schools. Surely TH has some sort of relationship with the board of this association.
@Gungets Tuft: http://www.wbhs.co.za/?p=4708
@Grasshopper: I thought we had dealt with the World Leadership Schools Association before. Why do you continue to drag up past resolved issues and try and mitigate using innuendo and misinformation?
Westville have been provisional members since 2009( the same time as the Sunday Times survey) which was part of the reason the approach was made to Westville in the first place. They have been formal members since 2010 and as there are no fees to join they did not ” buy” their way in as you have disingenuously alluded to in the past. FYI other reasons given for the invite included
1) The fact that Westville had more boys doing core Maths and Science than other schools( including the independent schools)
2) Westville’s extra-curricular programme and the fact that the school was more representative of the general population than the private schools.
3)They were looking for a school from Africa that delivers on holistic ( all round) education so that Chinese schools in particular could learn about the interpersonal skills benefit of extra-curricular activities.
4) Being a public school was an advantage as all the top Chinese schools are public schools.
Westville are the only school in Africa to be invited. This is not a “claim” but fact. Whether that makes all the other schools not ” good enough to be there” is your line of thinking/problem and as Greenman says time ” to get a life”.
Griffonfly asked a logical question about the selection for the SANIX tournament. Maybe someone can answer on the same basis as this post
And now back to Palvie. I like this kid and am very happy for his belated selection
@Gungets Tuft: There is something more to it, I bet the Sharks or Dolphins have some involvement here. They might have promised provincial contract in either code after school…..Glenwood might just have been the middleman…
@Gungets Tuft: Agreed, it’s also great to go and see where the next World Cup will be. Although Japan is so bleeding expensive I doubt we will see droves of Saffa’s there.
On the conference thing, the WOB’s I know say they are the only school in Africa to be invited and it includes the likes of Eton…
@Greenman: Are you sure. How about a kid at a top private school, ranked at 11 on Boishaaipa’s ranking, on the Jacques Kallis cricket scholarship, but still he moved.
If that’s not being looked after I need to raise my standards somewhat
@Griffonfly: I wouldn’t assume that all Tier 1’s would jump at the chance. Other than the opportunity for the boys to travel and broaden their minds a bit, it’s just more rugby. I see how tired the boys are after a long season – term 3 has them looking jaded and courting injury. It’s a miracle (I think) that College were still able to put 25 teams up against Grey.
Then lump the parents (school) with raising the cash to get there – the College cricket tour to Sri Lanka cost the parents in the region of R15K each after massive fundraising. Eventually even the schools with strong OBs and parents tire of the drain on the wallet.
@Grasshopper: Lot’s of schools represent at national and global conferences. Not all of them believe everything needs to be for marketing purposes.
@Grasshopper: A lot of the time we watch from the sidelines and make judgments on players – sure, Marco does not look like an elite athlete as some of the other youngsters do as 18 year olds but I’ve seen him going through the paces at HP training and he is certainly nowhere near the back of the pack – in his case, looks are deceiving.
The real people to speak to are the players, after all, they face each other on the field and respect is won or lost there … I doubt any SBR player in KZN has anything but the utmost respect for Palvie, not only because of his impact in nearly every facet of the game, but also his attitude on and off the field.
The boy is recovering well and gets into proper pre-season training next month.
@Pedantic: I think people who don’t know Marco don’t really understand how good he can be. He has that mongrel that cannot be taught, that mongrel we have seen in other players like the Doops etc. Fitness or conditioning is easy to correct, although I have never seen him not keep up with play. His ball skills are immense too,, if he could do more offloading like he did vs College, no one will touch him. No school kid player is perfect, but he certainly is a diamond in the rough. Hopefully your boy is recovering well :-)
@Bush: Clearly not 2nd best according to selectors, else he would have been in the side before the injuries.
Pretty close to the best IMO – who were your standout 8’s ?
@Griffonfly: One could ask the same about the global schools conference that TH spoke at. Westville claim to be the only school in Africa to be invited and good enough to be there, I highly doubt that. I reckon TH contacted them to then have another promotional tool. Glenwood might have built a good relationship with the SANIX organisers due to past involvement, who knows…
Wow Boys. Glenwood gets the opportunity and all hell breaks losse! chill pills at the local pharmacy. @Grasshopper: I think your list of prospective under 16’s are missing a few names. See KZN Sharks 2 nd team grant Khomo. Just watch. Glenwood should have an awesome next two years. Don’t agree we wont be competitive against Grey. We will chat on Monday. JJ du Randt pulled up to the first team for the weekend.
Generally, as far as recruitment goes. Get a life and get over it. A kid will never move if the school he is at looks after him and he is happy.
@Bush: Would be interesting to know how the process works. I’m sure it’s a financially onerous task – and not easy for any school to do year after year.
@Griffonfly: you have to count House out as they’re only allowed to play 12 games a season…
@Grasshopper: Yes very talented, but not the 2nd best number 8 on display at CW
@Griffonfly: I always thought it was the school that finished top in SA Schools cracked the nod. Plucking at straws again
@beet surely SARU would consider other KZN schools. DHS in there 150 year would have been a good choice. House who were unbeaten last year another choice. I am sure anyone of the Tier 1 schools would have jumped at the chance of going. Was any other school offered the opportunity?
To my House buddies above, very happy about Lambie starting this weekend, far better than Pollard. If only he didn’t have Pienaar winding up for a minute to pass to him. Just imagine Fourie or Faf instead. I like reliable Lambie, no brain farts….solid!
@Bush: I doubt Glenwood have that sort of power over SARU, now you plucking at straws! The kid is a great player, he deserves it!
@McCulleys Workshop: very disappointed about your jibe, expected more from you. We usually have great friendly banter
@Ploegskaar: I don’t give a truck either what jersey the players wears that represents higher honours. The selectors didn’t select him and now all of sudden he makes the cut. There have been many rumours that the top brass of GW went ballistic when he was not selected. This supports the rumours, now that he has suddenly been pulled into one of the teams.
@Ploegskaar: haha, you make me laugh. Hopper has prejudiced his own alma mater with all his dribble, that even when a good thing comes along some of us ignore it. I think it’s Hoppers fault Palvie didn’t make the selection by claiming he was better than Murry Mexted in his prime…
@Gungets Tuft: I’m not sure but considering there have been years when its been hard to find a taker in SA, my guess is the school has to find its own means of funding the tour. I’m sure once they get to Japan there is assistance to make their stay more affordable.
@beet: Does SARU fund it at all, or is there any funding from Sanix?
@Bush: Sad comment, most of the bitching was in fact from out of province, guys supporting as wide as Landbou, Paarl Gim, SACS, Monnas, Framesby to name a few, just people with a genuine interest in schoolboy rugby, that don’t care a fuck about the jersey that the player wears, the colour of his skin or his grandfather’s rank in WWII. Palvie is an yster, would have been there in the first place, on merit selection
@Griffonfly: The decision is made by SARU.
It doesn’t hurt a school to express an interest up front.
In 2011Paarl Boys High sent a 2nd/3rd team squad to Japan and finished 3rd.
@RUGBYMAD: Awesome, so the selectors had enough of GW’s bitching of why he didn’t make the side, so they just included him.
How does a school get chosen to go to Sanix?
U14E at College – watch out Class of 2019 – there is another Mpanza hiding in there somewhere
@Grasshopper: Your A teams have a shot at it. Stop selling them short. It’s a big ask but they’ve done well this year.
No reason why your U14E side cannot match the mighty College U14E and take that win.
@BOG: Ya, didn’t you know the school has been renamed Hoerskool Glenwood aka Harbour Hoerskool……
I notice that proceedings get under way at 7 on Friday on the golf course. Im sure Andre T could tell you about the very lush conditions. particularly during winter, in Bloem. There is both “debating” and “debat” at 3pm. Is this significant in terms of changing demographics at GW ?
@BOG: Yep, if Glenwood win 1 game I’ll be surprised…
@Grasshopper: I see the program for the coming weekend is on gc.co.za/Images/files/Glenwood%20-%20FIN.pdf
@Speartackle: Nope, he is the Boishaai coach or are you being facetious now….
@Grasshopper: Oooh……is Sean not at Glenwood anymore?
@Speartackle: Maybe John Allan and Gary Teichmann could sort the Hilton vs Glenwood debacle…
@Speartackle: I don’t think so, it would be quite a bit of travelling daily to and from Paarl
@Grasshopper: Is that marketing lady Sean’s wife?
http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/glenwood-1st-xv-sanix-world-cup-tour-2016-fundraiser
@McCulleys Workshop: I think it will be quite a strong team in 2016, lots of experience gained this year. Maybe we will finally beat House by more than a point!
@RUGBYMAD: OKAY BUT WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR
@RUGBYMAD: He is referring to your CAPS LOCK….
@Speartackle: NOT SHOUTING JUST HAPPY FOR A BOY THAT WORKED VERY HARD .
Congratulations Glenwood…agree something great for the players and school to look forward to!
@RUGBYMAD: WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT US?
@Grasshopper: Just take her to the ground and go into full mount
@Rugbyman: I was told she was a 250kg tannie so what do you expect, she would give me a po@sklap!
NEWS IN, IS THAT MARCO PALVIE GOT CALL UP TO SA – A -TEAM.
@Speartackle: Dit maak nie saak wie en van waar gewerf word nie. Wees net eerlik daaroor en moenie iets kwyt raak wat nie waar is nie.
Kon jy toe uitvind wat rampokker beteken? Ek het op ‘n ander post dit vir jou mooi beantwoord.
@Speartackle: Groot woorde daai… daai beker is nie maklik om te wen nie… maar ons gaan weereens ons bes gee… Gelukkig is 10 lede van ons 2015 starter span weer in 2016 daar…
I would love the Glenwood Headmaster to come out publicly and say yes we recruited boys later than grade 8 for about 4 to 5 years but decided we valued our relationships with traditional local schools so stopped this action as of 2015. We will now only recruit aggressively at grade 8 intake and then back these boys to matric. If we have any application to the school later on then we will get this passed by the school losing the player and inform all schools that make up the Headmasters agreement.
If he did that, it’s open and transparent and nobody can drag Glenwood through the dirt like they have been doing for the past 5 years since Marne-gate…
@Grasshopper: I am as relaxed as can be… You just got a huge fright when I mentioned that Affies antie… pissed scared of her I see….
@Rugbyman: Yes I get that boet, take a chill pill. At least you honest about your recruitment…
@kosie: @Rugbyman: Dink julle dit is nodig om te moet noem wie mens werf en vanwaar hulle kom? Ek dink nie so……wat maak dit saak…….solank daai ref net onpartydig is Dinsdag.
Ek dink in elk geval Garsies gaan die Beeld wen…….afgesien van die feit dat hulle n ongelooflike goeie gebalanseerde span het, verdien hulle dit…….om binne 5 jaar na n 100 tal teen jou so op te staan verdien silwerware
@Grasshopper: For goodness sake… we have a hostel and we recruit all across the country – an item which has been discussed to the ends of the universe on this blog… Yes we have boys from the cape… yes we have boys from Northwest, Limpopo, Mpumalanga… What is your point? We do the same as every other top school…
My point was merely pointing out that your facts surrounding all the boys mentioned in the specific list was not correct… Now you jump on some other horse… Maybe that antie from affies should’ve moered you instead…. What is more “key” is reading the posts properly…
@kosie: I get that, trust and transparency is key here…
@Grasshopper: You seem to miss the point here. RM has no problem with recruiting, just that a claim is made based on untrue info.
Recruit but be honest about when new recruitees joined.
@Rugbyman: A fact that Garsies buys their rugby teams from the Cape…yes….
@Grasshopper: No deflection… just fact…
@Rugbyman: Nice deflection there. Well Rugbymad needs to apologise for the error then…
@Grasshopper: I don’t care whether you recruit or not!!!! Just saying that not all those u/16s were there from grade 8
@Grasshopper: No he said u/16s… and look at his post above now… he has changed his point of view
@Rugbyman: My point is Rugbymad said the names I listed were at Glenwood from grade 8, not ALL under 16’s, very different…
I THINK THE ONLY ONE ON LIST ABOVE IS E TERBLANCHE.
@Rugbyman: Don’t Garsies buy their team from the Cape?
@Grasshopper: I am talking about your current u/16 team and I am not mentioning the kids names…
@Rugbyman: Are any of them listed above? The ones I listed?
@RUGBYMAD: I am not going to get involved here… just a fact you might have missed… 4 of your current u/16s was with Garsfontein last year… one of the four moved to Glenwood mid u/16 season… SO they were NOT in GW from gr.8… Honestly doesn’t bother me, but I like it better when the true facts are on the table…
What I liked best about last year was that Glenwood’s 3x SA schools players were all at Glenwood from grade 8, Kenny Van Niekerk, Morne Joubert and Jaco Coetzee
I do know Bossr, Vorster, Weidemann and Holtzhausen were all ‘recruited’at grade 10 level. I believe only Bossr came from a Tier1 school…..
PALVIE AND RUAN VAN RENSBURG WILL BE U19 NEXT YEAR, BUT ARE THERE FROM GRADE 8.
@RUGBYMAD: Now that’s a surprise
@RUGBYMAD:
Well good luck to GW and all the players involved. Irrespective of the politics – the boys don’t pick themselves for the squad -so good luck to them representing SA (I assume only 1 school will go over again from SA). What an opportunity – and may they do SA rugby proud over there.
MORNING I CAN CONFIRM ALL THOSE U16 PLAYERS ARE THERE FROM GRADE 8.
@Bwana: My father went to DHS, I want DHS to succeed even though I support & attended one of their fiercest rivals….maybe we just think differently…
@Bwana: So you rip it apart? It doesn’t what I went to either, but I will always try to either correct that or try and help. I don’t give up that easily and management will change, time and attrition will do it’s thing. I like to build things up rather than tear them down…
@Grasshopper: It is because the school currently does not represent the same school my dad, uncle and grandfather went to
@kosie: Dis deesdae R20 dink ek… ons het nos koshuis gebou en ons bou astro!!!
@Grasshopper: Speak to Cosatu on the white issue. Seems they know a thing or 2 about rugby.
@Rugbyman: Ek wil liewer niks se oor die ref nie behalwe dat ek Saterdag aand déja vu gehad het. Al verskil was op die een hemp was daar Enrista en nie op die ander nie.
Dit mag na suur druiwe klink as ek iets oor die ref moet se, Monnas het gewen en dis al wat tel. Moet se, dit was amper.
Ek glo werklik julle sal dit deutrek Dinsdag. Dink ek moet maar my spaarvarkie nader vir die R10 toegangsfooi Dinsdag en deurkom om te kom kyk. Ek dink dit sal die moeite werd wees.
@kosie: hahaha, except Kearsney….they seem to be lilly white
@Bwana: So why do you belittle Glenwood all the time, it’s also disrespectful.
@kosie: Now you’re starting the same old argument…
By the way… how did that ref NOT award that try you scored against monnas at the end… eina!!! Julle is beroof…
@Bwana: Affies do rectuit after Gr 8, just like most schools do.
@Grasshopper: I think it’s a huge honour for any school to represent SA at Sanix. So, good luck and I know Glenwood will be impeccable ambassadors.
@Gungets Tuft: Could not have said it better Mr Tufts. Monkey see, Monkey do scenario. In my family’s house there is plenty of banter around the College-Glenwood fixture. The Old Man (and our late Grandfather), for their sins, went to Glenwood. Does he refer to Goldstone’s as Greenstone’s? No because he respects College. He begrudgingly is now a full on College supporter.
We, as College Old Boys, cannot be judged by one Old Boy and his names for our KZN rivals.
@Gungets Tuft: Point taken and apologies.
@Grasshopper: It’s just plain disrespectful and Glenwood have been at it for a few years now, to the extent that a number of your boys ran into a private and sensitive memorial presentation, on Goldstones, last year to play this game. You get what you encourage, so if you keep it up here then don’t be surprised when your boys do it on the field and in the stands. You can’t act disrespectfully then act all hurt when you’re called out for it.
And pulling the “hit a nerve” nonsense. Of course it hits a nerve, so pointing that out doesn’t make it more acceptable, it just makes it deliberate. Then excusing it by claiming you “just want to stir things up”, come on. I have a young nephew – he claps his hands in front of my face and gets all thrilled that I blink. He’s 5.
I know of the Old Boy that happily uses derogatory names for Glenwood. Don’t feel privileged, he does it with every school, House cops it even more. He’s just one oke, but by using him as your justification you turn into that “one oke” for Glenwood. Is that the standard that you want to set for yourself.
For me, Brummer should be the captain…
@star: Agreed, I have made it clear to TK and the OB’s Association that ALL recruitment after grade 8 should stop and that they need to support the incumbent boys through now. But this might fall on deaf ears……time will tell…
@Grasshopper: If you add K Smit ( who will be back next year but won’t be able to play the local schools due to the HMA as he will U19) then 50 % of your projected returnees( other than U16) will certainly not have been recruited in grade 8. No other local school comes close and puts undue pressure on them to remain competitive. The first casualty has been Hilton and surely we do not want to see anymore. You have currently in your U14A.U15A and U16A teams had quality Grade 8 intake. Now back these boys going forward.
You see there is quite a bit of finger pointing, dragging Glenwood through the dirt and trying to discredit them, but things are two way. Glenwood players are approached all the time, why don’t these approaches get revealed?
@Bwana: As are mine with regards to other school approaches to Glenwood players…
@Grasshopper: Why would I reveal my sources? They are very trustworthy
Ek is seker die Affie rugby afrigters weet presies waarvan hy praat…
@Bwana: Yes Bwana, do you have evidence of this that can stand in court? Sounds more like a grapevine story again…
@BOG: Well they (College’s great rivals, Glenwood) were chased away from the Boere-Plaas at Affies for openly recruiting on Affies grounds!
@Gungets Tuft: Hit a nerve again, it’s tongue in cheek. College have been whipping Glenwood for decades, can’t we just enjoy it whilst it lasts……I have heard many a College OB call Glenwood Scumbilo High, Harbour High, Gaywood etc……it’s part and parcel of the rivalry, never meant in menace…
@Bwana: Bored of that debate now, I have said many many times, I don’t agree with recruitment after grade 8 but it’s fair game at grade 8 level. You would think College would have more respect for a school they have played since 1921….but hey ho…
@Grasshopper: Going by those U 16 names, they sound like recruits from Affies.
@OudAffie: Dude, if they are recruited from Pretoria in grade 8 there should be no issue. I don’t believe they should be recruited after that. Look at Palvie, from Durbanville or Belville but been at Glenwood since grade 8…..he is a Glenwood boy. I can’t help Affies now have even more competition for talent at grade 8. Eldo, Menlo, Garsies etc are spreading the talent thinly up there…
@Grasshopper: Affies do not recruit post Grade 8, they are a classy school with the right values and outlook on holistic education.
@Gungets Tuft: I agree. I am withholding further comment on such matters!
Ag ou springkaan, ignoreer die realiteit, moenie, maak soos jy wil, maar dit gaan nie die punt verander wat ek probeer maak nie, Want net die beste spelers uit die noordvaal is mos goed genoed vir Glenwood.
I think the following are back, 1st and 2nd team players;
Palvie – No8
Bossr – 10 or 15
Maduna – 12 or 13
Vorster – hooker
Cele – prop
Pretorious – prop
Dubazane – no9
A Brummer – flank
D Weideman – lock
G Lubbe – wing
Holtzhausen – centre
D Brough – backline
R van Rooyen – ?
Under16’s in contention;
D TRUTER
E TERBLANCHE
JJ VAN DER MESCHT
M VAN RENSBURG
JC CONRADIE
D KRUGER
B SCHWULTZ
@Grasshopper: Could be a great side. I watched the 2008 GW (Sanix champs) play House, great game and Houdini act by House to come back from 22 -11 down with 5 minutes to play, and draw the game.
@OudAffie: Pot calling the kettle black methinks…
@Grasshopper: I was out of this until this post. Just grow up boykie. It’s the equivalent of saying “your mother wears combat boots”. As for the “hook line and sinker” … please. Stand by it and defend it, or just don’t say it.
@Bwana: @Thumper: Don’t. Just don’t. He’ll beat you with experience.
@McCulleys Workshop: I know Palvie is back but can’t play Craven Week as will be under19. I thought Klopper was back, but hear he is in matric. Quite a few are back actually, but I don’t know the details. JJ van der Mescht, the 2m 114kg under16 lock will be in contention at lock. I’ll do some digging and post here…..Bossr is back too…
@OudAffie: Well said!
@McCulleys Workshop, It does not matter, a new team will be “assembled” as to assure a sanix 2016 victory.
@Grasshopper: GH, which 1st team players will be back next year and which u16 players this year are standouts and should make the 1st side next year?
@Grasshopper: GW the Gerry Springer Show of school boy rugby! Own Goldstones, you are highly disrespectful. You need to win the next 60 games just to catch up. Dixons is a cabbage patch by comparison.
@Bwana:
Hook, line and sinker…
Own Goldstone’s? I think the government actually owns Goldstone’s. College has won more games on Dixons (who by the way was an Old Collegian) than Glenwood has won on Goldstone’s
@Bwana: Same to Paul Roos, Grey and Boishaai who went previously too….dude you need to stop Glenwood bashing just because they own Goldstones now….
And to hell with their education in their important Matric year!
Awesome news and great for the grade 11 boys, something to look forward to in their matric year :-)