Glenwood will travel up the N3 freeway to Maritzburg College’s Goldstones on Saturday in search of a win period. The bonus will be that if they achieve it, they will be the undisputed No.1 team in KwaZulu-Natal for the 2014 season. Defeat would open up a potentially lively debate about who the best team in KwaZulu-Natal is in 2014 as it would probably result in College finishing ahead of Glenwood on a few different national ranking systems including the BHP used on this website.
Glenwood hasn’t lost to a fellow KZN team this season. As a result they have secured the annual luncheon award to be handed out the best performing team in KZN inter-schools after the season.
The 2014 campaign included a convincing win against Westville at the start back in March. The Green Machine ended the second term by changing their fortunes after two defeats on the trot to Kearsney, in the most extreme manner imaginable: an 86-13 annihilation which will take years to wipe from the memory bank. Although Michaelhouse provided Glenwood with an unexpected stiff challenge at the time, it’s College that remains the true measuring stick of KZN success this season. In the previous encounter at Glenwood, the home side minus it’s two SA Schools slash SA under-18 Sevens players, still looked the better of the two teams for much of the game but left the door open for College to hit back at them. In the closing stages a try scored against the run of play sealed what should probably have been a victory made safe earlier on, at 27-14.
With domination of local derbies, it points to games against schools outside the KZN borders as being the chief reason why Glenwood is still currently embroiled in a tight race with College. Whereas College’s only other defeat all season long has been at the hands of Wynberg by a single point, Glenwood with one of the toughest schedules in the country, has tended to lose the big guns. Defeats to Klofies, the Kwaggas, Monnas and most recently Grey College (a match that Glenwood had under control for the first 35-minutes before Grey clicked into gear, found gaps where they did not exist in the first half and finished with clinical precision), has pushed Glenwood downwards to the fringes of the SA Top 10, where College has peaked and now threatens to permanently overtake them.
Although the circumstances of the respective schools matches against Affies are vastly different, it still serves as the best recent indicator of what is building up to be a close and hard fought encounter on Goldstones in Pietermaritzburg this weekend: College won 37-10 at home; Glenwood won 36-22 on the road a week later.
After having had another close look at the various contentious incidents of the weekend, we can safely conclude that it was more of a tackle-tip than a tip-tackle
@GreenBlooded: Just yanking your chain, clear red.
For those STILL gaaning aan about the spear tackle – please refer to the following:
IRB Directive dated 8 June 2009 (i.e. more than 5 years ago):
http://www.actrra.org.au/uploads/1/0/4/1/10411123/spear_tackle_memorandum.pdf
Even on Wikipedia!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_tackle
And on the upcoming RWC2015 website:
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2059102.html
I really cannot make it any more linear than that. Sometimes, we just have to admit that the referee was correct.
@GreenBlooded: I agree. Correct decision. The only thing that Craig Joubert did wrong was to not make absolutely sure who the culprit was. Poor Rocco Jansen nearly took the blame.
Once again the perception is enforced that all rugby followers/spectators/coaches/players are apparently incapable of digesting and appreciating the laws and the spirit of the game, hence should not question calls or criticize decisions. Likewise it still remains hard to find a ref that will question or criticize a fellow rampokker.
This type of know-it-all arrogance is exactly what causes frustration and irritation many Saturdays and does nothing to eradicate the us-vs-them scenario that often transpires between coaches/players/spectators on one side and match officials on the other.
Too many rules and regulation causes this sort of debate, the fewer rules the easier to understand and enjoy the game. The game seems too regulated these days, let is flow obviously removing any malicious stuff…gouging, punching etc
Maybe this is controversial, but what happened pre the professional era with high tackles, tackles whilst in the air and dangerous tackles, weren’t they just part and parcel of the game? I remember Uli Schmidt getting a knee in the face going for a high ball which caused serious facial injury. Isn’t the game a contact sport that comes with all the different injuries associated with it eg collapsed scrums, being dropped in the lineout, broken noses, legs, ankles, arms and shoulders? Maybe we should just stop the contact and play soccer….just a thought…loved the Wahl Bartmann days where the ruck was a free for all and he smashed okes in there…Josh Kronfeld and Michael Jones were other animals at ruck time…
@Gungets Tuft: I’ve now seen the incident – the clearest RC I’ve seen in a long time. Well done to Craig Joubert for having the balls to give it so early in the match.
@Anti Green:
“Yellow card and penalty at half if that still happens?” What???? That has never been the case – not since Webb-Ellis picked up the soccer ball. The penalty at the restart happens only when a foul play incident occurs AFTER a try is scored (halfway line) or touchdown is made (22m line or 5m line).
In this case the infringement occurred while the ball was in play – significant advantage accrued and a try was scored. The game restarts as normal after the conversion attempt. If the yellow was to be given it would be given after the try was scored.
It might do some of the arm-chair referee experts here some good to take a look at this clip about forward passes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=box08lq9ylg
Cheers bloggers, speak again next year during SBR. Beet huge thumbs up for your blog. Interesting articles same for the bloggers. Take care everyone.
@Ploegskaar: Did you forget the Sharks game was in Kimberly
@Gungets Tuft: Sounds good enough.
@Anti Green: Guessing KwaXhozaAfrikaansZuluNatal
@Ploegskaar: Wait now I’m not that bright “KXAZN” what is that
@Anti Green: Why did you think I flew up to KXAZN to watch a local derby?
@GreenBlooded: as eloquent as every , I think the mere fact that he had spent a good 5 minutes overseeing the injured parties and actually speaking with them should have lead him to take them off ,
still rests with him , but then what do I know
I am a strong advocate that the responsibility
@Ploegskaar: Why didn’t you say you were on about the Sharks game.
@Ploegskaar: Someone had to go for the result. No comment on the others, will have to watch again, but the red was correct, I suspect the person responsible could cop a further suspension if he was cited. The Griquas need to change their numbers, it’s impossible to make them out, even on replay…
@Ploegskaar: Thanks for the support, by the way the 2nd try of Glenwood’s was lost forward. The Glenwood teachers were in that area/corner and jumped up screaming which I believe influence the refs decision. That tackle on the College number 15 should have been yellow, no matter the result of the advantage played. Yellow card and penalty at half if that still happens? Different game after that altogether.
looking at it simply , need more info to take it back in time.
1 2 3 4 5
2014 GW MC
2013 KC
2012 MHS
2011 GW
2010 GW
Some more details;
vs College – played 28, won 15, lost 11, drawn 2
vs DHS – played 20, won 14, lost 6
vs Hilton – played 10, won 7, lost 3
vs Westville – played 12, won 9, lost 3
vs Michaelhouse – played 12, won 7, lost 4, drawn 1
vs Kearsney – played 15, won 8, lost 6, drawn 1
vs Northwood – played 10, won 9, lost 1
vs George Campbell – played 14, won 13, lost 1
vs Voortrekker – played 6, won 6.
Total: played 127, won 88, lost 35, drawn 4
% win: 69%
The other games I included before included one off’s etc vs Port Natal, Richard’s Bay etc..
@Gungets Tuft: I have a slightly different view on the incident, it seemed the guy that got carded made a conventional tackle, and the guy that assisted on the torso actually caused the tipping action. Looked worse than it was maybe? Reckless in my view, not malicious, definitely a yellow. The try scored from the 10m forward pass was a bit dodgy as well, likewise the one scored from a tight head gained from an early shove.
@Anti Green: I see Craig Joubeet has given you a red as well. No arms? Again?
@Ploegskaar: Do you think the card was not justified. The law is pretty clear, it was a terrible tackle, he wasn’t dropped on his head, he was thrown to the ground. So, provincial bias aside, I cannot see any mitigating circumstances there.
@Gungets Tuft: College was and will always be tough. You may win your game, many others will be lost
@Anti Green: Huh??
@Gungets Tuft: Sorry!
I have this for overall results vs KZN opposition since 2000;
Played – 143
Won – 100
Lost – 39
Draws – 4
% Win – 69,93%
% Lost – 27,27%
% Drawn – 2,80%
@Anti Green: House is there, 15, 10, 1, 4
@GreenBlooded: Eish the word “power the ref has” is the problem.
@Gungets Tuft: I have not seen the incident – but I’ve heard that Joel Stransky and Bobby Skinstadt were waxing lyrical about the issue which the referee did get right. The law says:
“A player in touch may kick or knock the ball, but not hold it, provided it has not crossed the plane of the touchline. The plane of the touchline is the vertical space rising immediately above the touchline.”
A “player in touch” can be a player with one foot in field and one foot on the touchline, both feet on the touchline or one foot outside the field.
@Gungets Tuft: what about MHS
@Gungets Tuft: The referee has the power (but not the obligation) not to allow an injured player to continue. The exact letter of the law is (Law 3.9):
If the referee decides – with or without the advice of a doctor or other medically qualified person – that a player is so injured that the player should stop playing, the referee may order that player to leave the playing area. The referee may also order an injured player to leave the field in order to be medically examined.
Both teams yesterday had a phalanx of medical people, biokin’s, physio’s and garden gnomes up and down the touchline – as a ref, I will always defer to their more qualified judgement unless I deem them to be incompetent. So if the physio, with medical qualifications says the player can play – who an I, with my electrical engineering qualification, to argue? I don’t expect him to challenge me on a fault-level calculation and I extend him/her the same courtesy.
The referee has so many things he has to worry about – add to that nowadays is Boksmart team sheets and other match paperwork – surely the team management can decide the medical question for themselves?? If the kid was too bad to continue – why is the referee the first in the cross-hairs?
@beet: If KZN is the world.
@Maroon: That I learned as well, right call was made. Agreed about Maruis, but not a view shared by some here. To be a top ref you apparently need to dish out an early red to the opposition playing your home province to effectively end the contest, or a couple of yellows to a province you obviously dislike to give SARU’s blue eyed province a shot at a win, while snugly lodging yourself head first up pappa Watson’s bottom.
@GREENMASJIEN: I would love to recreate that but with the exception of College and Glenwood, I don’t have the results history for the other schools.
@Grasshopper: Surprised that College might not be down in 4th place. 2000 – 2014 results below. Pretty surethey are right – but your results for College vs Glenwood don’t tie up to mine, but since 200 I think they are right.
Played, Won, Drawn, Lost
DHS – 22, 19, 1, 2,
Glenwood – 28, 11, 2, 15
Hilton – 15, 14, 0, 1
Kearsney – 15, 9, 0, 6
House – 15, 10, 1, 4,
Northwood – 6, 6, 0, 0
Campbell – 2, 2, 0, 0
Westville – 15, 8, 3, 4
Overall – played 118, Won 79 (67%), Drawn 7 (6%), Lost 32 (27%)
@Green Hopper: Listen – I was in the stand and was quite clear to the ref sitting next to me, that he should have gone off. I have my own horror story about this stuff that I won’t repeat, but I err on the side of extreme caution always. But I am not sure it was a knock on the head for either, so can’t comment. My comments were more about who makes the call – I am not sure (Greenblooded – to the rescue please) who is allowed to make the call.
@Ploegskaar: Joubert remains the best ref in the world. Peyper should handle the Grey Bloem vs Paul Roos matches if Lourens vd Merwe is not available.
@Ploegskaar: Seems like I’m the ass for not knowing the law and complaining. In truth all those in touch laws should be changed to conform with common logic. If a player catches a ball with one foot on the line, he’s the one who should be held accountable for carrying it into touch. Likewise if the ball is rolling towards the tryline and a player with one or both feet over the tryline picks it up and dots it dead, that should be a 5m scrum to the opposition not a 22m drop or scrum back on halfway if a kickoff.
@beet: Check the laws with regard to slapping the ball back into play when you body is in touch. You need a PHD to know it all, but in my understanding the ref got it right. The player was in touch, but the ball had not crossed the plane of the touchline. It can therefore be hit or kicked back to the middle of play, as long as it is not forward. If he has held the ball it would have been out.
Greenblooded will be along in a second to explain, but he has (very patiently) explained the law to me.
Edit – sorry – seems I should have refreshed before commenting – issue discussed.
@Grasshopper: According to my records,the Glenwood ’65 team lost 0-5 to Dale in King?One of us could be wrong
@Ploegskaar: slapping the ball back into play trie was 100% legit. Marius is a good ref.
@beet: Any views on Joubert and Peyper’s performances? Agreed on the ruck to maul try, but thought the in touch incident was clarified. Maybe your friend GB can explain.
@Westers:
Pumas
@Gungets Tuft: surprised with what, 2000 to 2005 was not that great for Glenwood but 2006 onwards has been pretty successful in KZN….I’ll do the Glenwood analysis in KZN…
@beet: Pumas Beet. Griquas lost to Sharks.
I agreed with one of the gentleman alongside me that the ref was consistent and therefore fair. However I believe if he wants to progress to do big senior pro rugby games, he’s gonna have to come right with his officiating of the sealing off at the rucks. What he allows is great for continuity but it’s penalisable in terms of the laws.
On the otherhand having watched ref Marius vd Westhuizen during the Griquas vs Free State game, geez the schoolboys can be happy with Mr Beans. Vd Westhuizen allowed the Griquas to form a clear rolling maul from a ruck and score a try, then he allowed Griquas to go on and score another try right after Ronaldo Bothma slapped the ball back infield when part of his body was already in touch line. These mistakes basically won Griquas the game.
This was a great game of rugby. Both teams played positive ball in hand attacking rugby most of the time. No aerial ping-pong stuff. College played really well but at the death they needed to exit properly aka kick the ball out – the own throw-ins lineouts for both teams was not that great. College should have taken their chances at the setpiece but they instead missed/avoided touch and Glenwood punished them in the end. Lots of outstanding individual performances – I though Kriel who was so composed and reliable at the back for College and van der Linde a little general on attack stood out as did the College second line defence which came to the rescue often coz they missed a few first time tackles particularly on J.Coetzee. Sparks for me was MotM – he was an absolute machine on defence as well as showing class on attack. He’s never been my fav linking player but he handed Mukendi what should have been the game sealing winning try on a plate with a brill individual effort to work the space and get a good offload out to the wing.
@Gungets Tuft: hi there, sorry if we are getting incidents confused, but the high tackle on kriel did not bring about the confusion,
the incident on him , leading to the concussion was ligit , the tackle in the air wasn’t ?
as for the play on after clear cases of condition, I don’t care what game or which team the ref is responsible, what is to happen if the boy has a brain bleed that night after having played on, how can you compared one incident to another, and say well one is fine —-
@GREENMASJIEN: I can contribute the College results since 2000. Grassy might be a little surprised… right now busy with the very important task of contemplating …. so later will have to do
@GREENMASJIEN: I reckon in KZN it would be as follows;
1) Glenwood
2) Michaelhouse
3) Westville
4) College
5) Kearsney
Hey Beet , maybe you can help with some stats.
Top 5 in KZN since 2000.
Please post info / link if you have this matrix.
I am sure all regions would appreciate something similar.
@Green Hopper: Are we talking a out the same incident on Kriel when he was taken in the air. If so, I think you are in a team of 1 thinking it was legit.
As for allowing the boys to carry on, I believe that is a medical decision, much the same as allowing Jaco Coetsee to take the field at KERF.
@GreenBlooded: i then suppose you were down at the bottom of the field for that last movement , so i cant comment on the blowing for the holding , but it was a mess , too many falling over the ball for my likening , and when the College boys knew this as they know how the ref is at this area of the game, they obviously played to this point , GW on the other hand never took as much advantage on this point and were waiting for him to blow these infringements and thus allowing the turnover , i think and this is just a opinion, the ref needs to blow to the rules and not form is own set of sub laws because he feels he wishes the game to go on a certain direction
@GreenBlooded: agreed, i think the boys played hard and i think that College really gave and showed more grit , that number 10 was really good, IMHO,
what was disappointing to hear was the number of incidents during they day from crowd support and the rukus on the field after the main game, a little of this can spoil the whole day
@Green Hopper: Yes agree , the ref seemed to get a bit too into the occasion and the moment , basics are that the ref must place safety first at all time , not the occassion.
@Gungets Tuft: the tackle on Kriel was by Sparks, that was a legitimate, it was just extremely big in terms of the actual contact the hit , and i think it was incumbent on the ref to see that the boy was in extreme difficulty , the fact that when we was trying to run back from the incident it was clearly obvious he was dazed , and as such should have been removed from the field? and the same for Stuart , at the 2nd time he was the ref should have stood in and removed him, but to allow him to continue to the 3rd instance was inexcusable
It is a shame that so much of the SBR talent that was on show will be leaving the province in the next 4 months.
Would have been great to see more of these boys in a Sharks U19 team but not to be.
the bulk of the GW pack will be moving to Lions , any news on the College moves?
@GreenBlooded: agreed you did say , that I mis-represented what you said sorry ,
@Grasshopper: I fully agree about the score being capped. But it is usually done by the host school and ad far as I know Grey dont stop gamed on account of the score. Just to illustrate the point, the main field score board at Grey has 3 hooks for numbers. … meaning the scores regularly get to 3 figures. Tough task for the College boys but I wish them best of luck… I just hope they can pick themselves up and be mentally ready for next weekend!
@Gungets Tuft: Good luck to all your boys next week in Bloem, massive assignment but glad the fixture is back on, good for KZN teams to test themselves vs the best, although I don’t like score bigger than 50. The games should be blown early once 50 is reached…
In my opinion here are the best sides produced by Glenwood in it’s 104 year history;
1) 1965 – they didn’t play outside the province, but it was the manner and size of the victories that impressed, many games played away at ‘Tungay Park’. Glenwood’s only unbeaten season, playing 15 winning 15. Points for 283 and points against 50. 7xNatal Schools players
2) 1979 – arguably Glenwood’s best loose forward trio ever (La Marque, Hardie & de Honri), but 2014 came close 2nd. Played 12, won 10, lost 2. Massive victories over College 33-6, DHS 32-4, Westville 44-9 & Hilton 53-12.
3) 2000 – the sheer number of games played, 37 games (including a tour), won 34, lost 2 and drew 1. I think this was the start of the Glenwood rise.
4) 2008 – drew with a powerful Michaelhouse side, but had great victories over the other KZN sides, 62-0 vs Kearsney, 71-0 vs George Campbell & College 47-10 on Goldstones. Beat Affies 24-7, Paul Roos 24-7 & lost narrowly to Grey Bloem 14-22. SANIX ‘World’ Champs.
5) 2014 – Played 19, won 15, lost 4 – A complete team, never really beaten up front, except maybe against Monnas in the Vaal. Superb talent across the park. 2 SA Schools players in Coetzee and Joubert, best representation ever.
@Green Hopper: Firstly – it was a nice surprise to see you yesterday!! Glad to hear you don’t have an Aussie accent!
I never said he would be suspect. I said his style is to let things go on the ground – we saw that at Michaelhouse. It creates an epic battle despite being marginally south of the letter of the law. As long as it is consistent for both teams – then I say let it go. For me, the breakdown is far too regulated. I’d love to see it go back to the days when I played and there was no such thing as “no hands”, “roll away” and “falling over the ball” – those issues had a way of sorting themsleves out if you know what I mean…..
I think Watson was excellent yesterday – you seldom get a great contest like that without a decent guy in the middle. I think Sparks should have got a yellow for playing the guy in the air and I also felt that the final penalty for holding was not correct in the context of the game where he allowed it to go on every other occassion. As it turned out, it did not have a bearing on the outcome…..
@GreenBlooded: Yep, remember that, it normally happened after a 50 point loss….hahah! Our warcry is a virtual copy of College’s Jimolayo Ji, so it would be easy for both sides to do….
@Gungets Tuft: Sounded like a great game, close to the intensity of last years game? I’m sure many of these boys will be team mates next year…still another 30 years of double wins to catch up with College on the win front, never going to happen….haha
@Anti Green: Agree – it’s great to see the kids getting excited about something other than Candy Crush and Clash of Clans – and if it has to be their victorious rugby hero’s – then so be it. As long as there is humility and respect for the other side then let them go for it. I was very happy with the Glenwood win yesterday – but equally I felt for the College folk – it can’t be easy for them. When I played College (10x in my high school career – both teams would huddle together after the game with both sets of boys and everyone would chant the war-criers of both schools. It was wonderful and very emotional to see. I think we need to go back to that – there seems to be a lot of un-neccessary animosity between the schools lately – and it isn’t worth of the massive traditions between them. Headmasters can very easily lead the process…….
@Green Hopper: The ref walks a fine line by trying to encourage continuous play. We got that yesterday, not a mass of penalties and scrums, lots of running with the ball. As long as the blowing is consistent then I have no issue. The only inconsistency I saw was the yellow for the Watson tackle but nothing for the hit on Kriel. The latter probably clouded by the fact that College went on to score, but my personal opinion is that the ref should have gone back for the yellow. Other than that, nice, good, clean contest, played in great spirit by the boys. The respect between them was obvious, and very nice to see in a fixture which has produced some fireworks in the past.
just watching the lions vs Bulls u21 and Lions getting penalised and what a perfect explanation by the ref, one worth listening to, “hand cant be in the ruck, when is been formed” even further you cant fall over the BALL????
Again a game today to remember , for many reasons , but ultimately the win by GW .
as few comments, I must say the ref was poor, Greenblooded noted that he would be suspect at the rucks and mauls, and the “going over the ball” was really bad, it was just a mess, as for the advantages , he was all over the place , but I don’t think it benefited one side more than the other,
however my real concern was his lack of sensibility with injured players Stuart and Kriel , should have been removed earlier form the games both were clearly “out” Stuart I have serious concerns for , three times he was down with Head injuries and he has been prone to this in the 5 years at high school, , this was , for me, unacceptable,
Sparks had an amazing game, but so did the PMB number 10 , I thought be had a huge impact on the game and really dictated well , spread the ball, and did it effectively ,
GW on occasion , too many to count, should have pasted that last pass, and they would have had three more tries with ease.
but over all with the mistakes, opportunities lost on both sides and the abysmal reffing , it turned out how it should have
well done to both teams
@Grasshopper: Kids went wild after the game, which I think is right. Teachers weren’t too happy, gave the kids huge lectures about running onto the field. I thought it was awesome to see boys on the field embracing their hero’s.
@Anti Green: yep, probably unless the prefects said not too…why?
@Grasshopper: Hopper tell me, if you were at the College game as a grade 8-9 and witnessed such a game and win. Would you and your mates run onto the field after the final whistle?
@Anti Green: Michaelhouse, Hilton and Kearsney all have more boarders, 550 each at the midlands schools hence why they can compete. They have like 80% of the boys playing rugby or hockey. At Glenwood it’s about 40% play either code….number doesn’t equal strength. Boarding numbers equal strength…
@Gungets Tuft: Was working it out in my head and between friends. (Didn’t make the Mensa group)I have no idea of the numbers, always thought College was a BE school.
@Anti Green: agree, that little buggers should be running, get all that pent up energy and testosterone out of them. Loved it at school, any boy not playing sport or doing extra curricular was made to do social cross country in pigeon valley, hahahaha!
@Gungets Tuft: Well that makes him even better. What a champ, well done. His parents must be proud.
@Grasshopper: Then touch rugby should be compulsory after School, as hundreds of kids hang around school waiting for parents to pick them up. Now what grounds will they play on. What about the varsity? The kids could join the varsity in expanding the touch side. Kids could run to varsity, play for 30 mins. Run back or parents could pick them up at the varsity grounds. I would be stoked if my kid said he was doing that in the afternoon, instead of talking kuk with his mates on the breeze way.
Sorry wrong term to use for the day dogs. Probably less useful. I was a day dog and the lower teams were always the unfit day dogs….a few really committed ones played A side….
@Anti Green: Ya, that’s why I didn’t want to start singling out players. Mac van der Linde is a special player. He had a life threatening injury in U14, lost a kidney and didn’t play for a few years. He a pint sized support system for a massive heart. Along with Matt Sieber they must be the smallest 1/2 back pair in SA.
http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Young-rugby-player-loses-kidney-20100329
@Gungets Tuft: not what I remember at Glenwood. The BE guys played touch until dark, some even playing user lights. On weekends they always played, especially Sunday afternoon. The BE house won everything….simple as….
@Anti Green: College BE is 390 unless I am mistaken. 500 would be nice but we cannot house 100 in each grade. I think too much is made of the thought that there are 390 boys running around with rugby balls their every spare moment. The BE is home from home, they need to do schoolwork, sort out their own laundry, do all the admin that day boys do, but without mom and dad helping out. Sure, there are always mates who might want to kick around when there is spare time, but time is not more available.
@Anti Green: 1000 day dogs, yep! Useless bunch usually, too busy chasing Durban Girls High skirt. If they were boarders Glenwood would be up with Grey Bloem across the age groups. For me the next step for Glenwood is to build another 250 sleeper BE by buying local houses and building another BE. When that happens the depth will be there….
DHS’s Blackmores, once the lifeblood of DHS only has 120. They used to smash Gibson House in the interschools BE contests, no longer. I think even Northwood’s BE is bigger and Westville probably have 30 to 50 in theirs…
@Grasshopper: 900 kids are day dogs?
@Anti Green: 250, half the amount at College. Grey Bloem are as strong as they are due to their BE…
@Grasshopper: College have 500 boys max in BE, how many do GW have? About the same. I’m with you about the coaching, which I have stated before. How was the braai, have any chops?
@Gungets Tuft: Thought your number 10 had a great game as well, small dynamite player. Could go on the entire night about that game. Well done to both schools. Hopefully I will remember to go and watch the game in 4 years time. Will be interested to see if all those kids in the u14a side are in the 1st side. Maybe I will be playing bowls across the road by then.
@Anti Green: yep, no tackling, not fit etc. They need proper coaching. Swap the coaches around, put the A team coaches doing the G’s and get the boys playing koppestamp, tackling one on one, running and passing. Remember College has double the number in the BE, that is where the depth in rugby comes from…boys living together, practicing together and nothing else to do but train.
@Grasshopper: Have you watched any of those games? The games I’m talking about are the C’s to K’s? “Horrific” and those kids move to higher age groups next year. Going back to basics is starting at the Athletics track.
@Anti Green: Wasn’t going to single out any College players, but the loosies did play well. GB has already mentioned Koekemoer, I think he was brilliant, made some huge hits in the middle, made the initial break for the first try, was ver prominent, then made massive yards when Watson got yellow. The whole College pack fronted well, Slade Stewart his usual self, was a big loss when he went off.
College have always been the benchmark for c,d,e and f teams, once again proving so. The inland boys are bred bigger than their surfing cousins. I remember the College guys always having thick stocky legs and the teams were well drilled down to the G side….nothing’s changed then
@Anti Green: at under 15 level, the other age groups are fine. Seems College have a weak group at Under 14. Grey Bloem in Bloem. Glenwood opens were weak this year compared to last. Previous years our 3rd, 4th and 5th teams have won most of their games….2nds have lost many this year, probably more than they lost in the previous 4 years combined…
@Grasshopper: And a nice come back from the under 15A after that much commented upon loss to House.
Your new man from Selbourne had a nice start for the U16A, I can’t remember when last I saw as assured a kicker. I see the whole family was up for the match.
@Gungets Tuft: I don’t know how he managed that, that oke has a heart the size Big Daddy. Coetzee was awesome, don’t forget your Nr 8 and Nr 7 outstanding game. If the 2 schools can produce loose forwards like those, how do you keep them in this province?
@Grasshopper: Hopper it not just u15. The sides like c,d,e and lower, have a problem. In fact GW are going to have a problem in the near future.
@Anti Green: Coetsee and Palvie also right up there. Sparks, for his size, brilliant. How he got up after that big tackle is testament to his conditioning.
Hmm, lots of work with the Under15’s next year, back to basics…
Results here; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/SPORT%20RESULTS%20vs%20COLLEGE.pdf
Man of the match:SPARKS can you imagine how deadly he would be if he was half a meter taller and about 20kgs heavier. Well done GW. Don’t forget the 1st Team game was the only game GW won on Goldstones
Interesting fact, since 2006 Glenwood have only lost to College once in 2010, 16-35. 1 loss in 16 games, that must be a record! A few draws too….
Yes , The 1sts , What a game!
All these young men can walk away without any regrets and heads held high.
It was a very hard fought and tight fixture with some great SBR rugby moments.
Ref was decent , could probably do with a few more big games to settle down.
Just got home from PMB. What a game!!! College left it all on the field. 100% effort for their last game on the hallowed Goldstones. The College faithful can be very proud of their 1st XV.
@GreenBlooded: Under14A, 95-0…..is that right? If so, why didn’t they blow it early? Massive win for the College Under15A, Glenwood will need to improve in this age group. Size isn’t everything..
@sparkie: Agree. I thought the yellow was harsh and also thought the challenge on the player in the air was at the very least reckless and warranted a card. I don’t think the referee ‘forgot’ to give the yellow – I think he considered it a penalty only offence. He is the sole judge of fact and law and we have to respect his call.
Another epic encounter on Goldstones today. I thought that College played the better rugby on the day but let themselves down with some very poor decision making at critical times. Jordan Koekemoer put in the performance of his life – making some massive hits and some telling penetrations into Glenwood territory – a man of the match performance.
For Glenwood – Jaco Coetzee was immense, Morne Joubert a little quiet by his normal standards but always dangerous with the ball in hand.
For the College faithful – it must becoming like Groundhog Day – losing matches to Glenwood after time when game seemed in the bag. It is becoming a hard habit to break. Have to say – I really felt for them today. For me – the moment of the day were the 2 Glenwood players consoling the College goal-kicker who missed the final kick which would have sealed the victory.
Great game – another epic between these 2 great schools for the memory banks……
As a neutral I enjoyed this game . The boys gave there all. Neither team deserved to lose. I thought the yellow card was fair but can not understand why one was not given to the Glenwood player for playing man in air. Ref played good advantage from that clearly dangerous tackle in air that led to college try. Then forgot to issue card. Why bother with linesman.Even in the 2nd team game refs to lenient on dangerous tackles. This aspect of the game must be better policed to prevent injuries. That said well done to all the players. U15a score also a big surprise and what a u 14a score. Impressive
Well done to GW. Deserving of their Number 1 ranking in KZN
Sorry forgot, College still have the trek over to Bloem, eish! Open teams should be OK, but the rest….hmmmm, going to be a long day at the office…
Wow, sounded like a another humdinger on Goldstones. College must have given their all. Sign of a good team to win the tight ones, especially on hallowed turf away from home. Played 19, won 15, lost 4 is an awesome season for the Green Machine. Great season for College too…
Well done Glenwood. Awesome season and deserved no 1 in KZN
Nothing left out there today. College did not deserve to lose. Another epic match and full value for money. Oh wait…….
Joubert, Coetsee and Coetsee, Koekemoer. But great team efforts all round. Yellow car for Watson is going to provoke some discussion, but that’s how it goes.
20-21, final score. Missed kick at the death to win the match. Eeisch. Nothing left on the field today.
@Gungets Tuft: any players standing out? I presume it is a physical battle…
10-12 HT
3rds – 22-12
2nds – 12-5
Game on at firsts
Hockey was 4-1 at firsts
Scores that I have so far
U14A – 0-95
U14D – 31-5
U15A – 31-26
U16A – 15-33
7th – 36-12
6th – 37-0
5th – 22-3
4th – 38-5
@GreenBlooded: that is huge for them, well done!
Glenwood 1st hockey without Andile P lose 4-1, hard luck boys. Opens getting pasted!
31-26
U14A 95-0 GW Eish
U15A Narrow win for College. Great result for them after some disappointments this season. Will confirm score 32-24 I think.
@Grasshopper: Should have just sent a card …
@Gungets Tuft: sent you the results I have, when you get a chance can you do the audit. I reckon Glenwood are catching up on Hilton, DHS and Michaelhouse for the most wins vs College…..also most games played due to two games a year…
@GreenBlooded: Lucky bugger, I have a mates birthday braai on….
Lovely morning here on Goldstones. Coffee is ready, things being set up, Glenwood boys starting to trickle in. Going to be a great day of sport.
@Grasshopper: Last home game. Our boys head for Bloem next weekend for their last match of the season.
My results have Played 163, Won 108, Drawn 17, Lost 38 – but I haven’t checked whether those are 100% up to date. Your numbers seem to not add up? Do you have the actual details, each match, I would like to compare and see where they differ, get one version.
Good luck to all the matrics from both College & Glenwood in your last games for your schools, enjoy it and play hard. Play for the red, black & white and the chappies jersey’s. I still have my chappies jersey 18 years later, cherish it. If you lucky enough to play in the green savour it. This is one of KZN’s greatest derbies played since 1921.
Games played: 162
Glenwood won: 42
College won: 106
Draws: 15
College biggest win (1995 at College): 61-13
Glenwood biggest win (2008 at College): 47-10
If Glenwood win today it will arguably their 3rd best season of all time after 1965 & 2000. Go Green! Go Grasshoppers….
@GREENMASJIEN: Well said. Best of luck tomorrow. Goldstones is never easy, even for armchair spectators.
@beet: Thanks you bowling ball
Play like you like you can because you love the game boys!!
Ignore the rantings of the armchair players who probably never played a day of decent rugby.
No regrets , nothing left behind and the best you got for the day!!!!
No need to prove anything – a Goldstones victory is prize enough to play hard and fast.
Good Luck to those feeling Lucky and may the team who has trained best , win.
Enjoy , Enjoy the challenge , the occasion and the day , a win would be nice but for most of you ,this is just the start of your best rugby.
@Anti Green: Okay I’m pleading guilty to all your charges and granting you your wish.
@Anti Green: sorry, not sure what you about…..
@Grasshopper: Yes, I know that. That’s why I made the bias statement. Good Luck tomorrow. Can’t wait to have a few at the bowling club.
@Anti Green: pin prick, how childish….
@Anti Green: FYI, Beet is a Kearsney old boy!
@Anti Green: Spot on. Absolutely spot on.
@John Single Malt: Good luck Single Malt. You are 100% correct with your view, this site is over run by hoppers. Actually owned by them.That pin prick hopper will degrade you every chance he gets. Oh yes the MHS flyhalf 150% better that the GW flyhalf. GW flyhalf in the side because of_______________. Beet please don’t respond. Give me a red in fact do what ever you want. Oh Beet remember when you do show your bias, I have never sworn on this blog. Be a judge not a knob.
To all the teams, including hockey etc, playing tomorrow from both schools I wish you the best of luck. I hope their will be no injuries. I am bitterly disappointed that I cannot be there, but, whatever the results, I know I will be proud of the Glenwood boys. May tomorrow be another great chapter in the wonderful history of Glenwood and College! To all those lucky enough to be there and witness the spectacle, enjoy the day.
@Gungets Tuft: hahah, heard that too….my family were on ships to SA in 1899 to fight for the bloody poms in the Anglo Boer war…fekkers…
@Grasshopper: Bru, one more bit of bad news. You do know there was no such thing as the potato famine … the Irish just forgot where they put them …
Bushmills and Michael Collins, yum!
@Gungets Tuft: Try Beamish down in Cork, even better….Irish whiskey is tops too….my family are from County Cork……ex horse farmers before the famine…
@Grasshopper: Eeisch, never been to Ireland. Lived in the UK for a year, did 3 weeks in the UK 2 years ago, did Scotland and the West Coast. ’twas good for the {koff} single malts, but no Irish beer. Will put it on the list, along with a Bok match against Ireland. Out of the tap in Ireland is probably the way to do it …
@Gungets Tuft: Best is from a pub along the Liffey, sunk many there in my 3 years on the emerald Isle. The water comes from the polluted Liffey…puts hairs on the chest…
@Playa: I like Milk Stout but, like Guinness, more than 3 and I am gcwalisa . The other issue is getting it fresh because my local doesn’t turn it over quickly enough, 3 weeks in the bottle and it’s not as good. Dunno about the caramel .. got to be too sweet surely?
@Gungets Tuft: Disappointed with your response, the one person on here with the likes of Beet & Greenblooded I really respected, now I’m not sure…..I’m the first to complain if Glenwood do dodgy things so I certainly don’t have green goggles on. Also, I’m the first to give College credit when it’s due….enjoy your Kilkenny, I’m going to have a cold Windhoek draught.. I did apologise for mentioning the College player in the debate….oh well…
@Gungets Tuft: You must try the new Castle Milk Stout with Caramel. Not bad, but can’t stomach more than one at a go.
@Grassy: Jaco is indeed a very special SBR player but I can see Single Malts concern about over rating a player, you just said he is a combo of Vermeulen, Whiteley and Spies, that is going a bit far I think. I agree with Single Malt in that I feel after school, his best position will not be 8, but rather 6. With his speed and turnover abilities, he is going to make a fine fetcher.
@Grasshopper: And there you go…
1. No, me disliking your comment has nothing to do with Glenwood and whether I like them or not. You criticize people for having at at individuals on the blog, then you do the same thing yourself. Own it.
2. Not grumpy, just happy to point out double standards. If it wrong it’s wrong, no shades of green.
3. You always follow thoughtless, or careless, comments with the “it’s just to stimulate debate”, or “to tongue in cheek”. It’s not, you don’t give yourself time to reflect. Google books by Daniel Goleman, then read.
4. Every now and again consider that what people say might have value. Perhaps, just every blue moon, a criticism might be valid, but if your first response is that the criticism is because someone hates Glenwood, or is grumpy, then reflection is not possible.
Now, I am off to reflect on the possibility that I might be grumpy, and I am going to see if a cold Kilkenny might fix that. Nice thing is, even if I am not grumpy, the Kilkenny will still be cold, and the company warm. Later.
@Gungets Tuft: Jeez boet, you have been very grumpy recently, it’s called an opinion and I do also make mistakes. I know you don’t very often….that comment was meant to get a reaction…..the site is boring if we all agree…
@John Single Malt: You obviously haven’t been on this block very long so your judgement on me is shortsighted, I do give constructive criticism to Glenwood players and other schools players, but blatant ‘over rated’ statements no. I have coached Under21 in the UK for 5 years and a few years high schools, I have learnt statements like that knock the boys confidence, so less direct criticism is better. Anyway, you guys don’t like my comments anyway as you are obviously dislike Glenwood….but hey ho you can’t please them all.
@Playa: And the history is full of these experiments gone wrong. Next one is Coenie Oosthuizen at tight head.
@Grasshopper:
Jeez you are hard work.
This was never a comparison between 2 players and yet you drag the MC no8 into it!?
Apparently you can have an opinion about any school boy player in the world. As long as hes not at GW.
@Gungets Tuft: Well spoken. I have always enjoyed the MC-GW rivalry. But MC at home is a different animal. I remember in the mid 2000’s seeing MC u15A take 70 points from GW on Dixons and in the return match the teams were separated by some 8points on Goldstones.
This fixture is going to be SBR at its best.
@Tjoppa: Failed experiment indeed. I only saw one schoolboy game of his vs Selborne in East London in 2003. Much thinner back then. Blitz with strong arms, but never a physical player.
@Grasshopper: But then you start doing it yourself, dragging in someone who is not connected to the discussion – the second time you have done it in this thread, and then claim innocence. Eeisch.
@Grasshopper: I hink you have Pierre Spies completely wrong mate. Great athlete but the game plan he was forced into did not fit him. Pierre Spies would have been known as one of the world’s best wings. But the Bulls saw something that was not there. He is not a crash ball runner. Therefore rather see Pierre Spies as a failed experiment by the Bulls.
@Grasshopper: Was that necessary though, given how you feel about the criticism of schoolboys?
@Gungets Tuft: I’m very chilled, sitting on my couch in my new house in Tinley Manor working. I just find it a low blow to degrade good players still learning their trade…..that is all…
@Grasshopper: Take your own advice … @Grasshopper: then take a deep breath .. and …. chill
Everyone … just relax and let the game go where it goes on Saturday. These boys are at the pinnacle of their careers (to date), yet we are arguing like grade 3’s about their talents. We need a SBR get-together so you guys can bliksem each other and leave the boys out of it …
@rbw1863: Some might say the same for the College No8….
I wonder if any of these guys know how good Coetzee is at athletics, sprinting etc….probably not. He is in the same mould as Malcolm Marx from KES, big, pwerful and quick. He should make it if he works hard and doesn’t get distracted by girls and booze. But there is no guarantee he will make it. Look at Pierre Spies, had all the physical attributes but was seriously overrated. Both Vermuelen and Whiteley make him look very ordinary. The thing is Jaco is a combination of Vermuelen, Whiteley and Spies….a complete package. Unfortunately John Salt or whatever he is called probably hasn’t watched him enough. no8 is not his best position but he is good enough to play literally everywhere on the field….not blowing wind up his arse, obviously the selectors saw something and he certainly in the best no8 Glenwood has had since Derek La Marque in 1979 and David Terblanche in 1992…
@John Single Malt: couldn’t agree with you more on both Coetzee and Joubert.
@Green Hopper:
“The concern is how we squander this talent and few of these boys are able, in the existing structures to get any traction moving forward in a career in rugby , its diabolical that we waste and squander this”
Tjoppa touched on this on another thread – how professionalism has changed rugby and now prevents the advancement of rugby players who do not have contracts.
My feeling is we should be guarding amateurism with our lives wherever it still exists in rugby. We do no offer enough players the chance to prove their worth in the years immediately after school simple because budgets dictate that only a handful get contracts and these contracted players are then given preference to ensure a ROI. We’re essentially cutting out quite a bit of the talent that would have had the opportunities back in the days of amateur rugby. The same danger threats our schools. Paid players will lead to limited opportunities for those who are not paid, which will lead to a reduction in the levels of SBR participation.
It would be wonderful if we could get a few smart people to run rugby in SA who show some sort of concern for where the game will be in 5-10 years time and who try to be proactive to protect its well-being.
It would also help if the IRB would promote a low international salary ceiling for u19-u21 rugby players as I feel this would create more opportunties: a union might not feel so bad dropping a contracted player who is not performing and earns very little as opposed to the one who is not doing well but his R25000 pm contract means he has to start every game.
I’d also like SARU to step in and introduce rules to protect the amateur status of school rugby so that we at least continue to have an abundance of talent to squander after school.
@umbiloburger:
Again, youre taking the phrase ‘over rated’ to mean that I’m saying he is not a good player. He is a good player, obviously, hes in the SA schools side.
What Im saying is that there are a few on here that rate him waaay too highly and that might not be in his interest later on in his rugby career.
One player who is not over rated and really deserves all the accolades is Morne Joubert. Now there is a player who has all the skill, talent, size, speed etc to warrant how highly people rate him. He is the complete package for his chosen position, 15.
In my opinion, Coetzee is not the complete package. Not at 8 anyway.
In reading this , the core issue seems to be and has been for the last few years , is the talent that exists , within school boy rugby , even if we only had to concern ourselves with KZN, the boys at 1st team level are probably the best in the world or up there in comparison to schools elsewhere.
One has to watch games, on youtude if you need, of schools like Nudge and Brisbane Boys high, you can see the quality of players in SBR.
The concern is how we squander this talent and few of these boys are able, in the existing structures to get any traction moving forward in a career in rugby , its diabolical that we waste and squander this , and the likes of Victor Matfield staying on is beyond me, him staying further puts pressure on boys coming through , and in all honestly VM at this point doesn’t add any value or assist us in our 2015 WC hopes.
Yes I agree with some sentiments that some of the 1st team players probably peak at this level, and that there exists a number of 2nd team level , that if afforded the opportunity could be our next and best Springboks, but the structure and system, doesn’t embrace nor allow for such opportunities,
I have harped on about this before ,
What really concerns me is a report out of GW that again there are “imports” again this year , man this is annoying if it is the case, and rumour is that it’s not the coach but the men in “black suits” behind it , why does this practise still allowed to happen , after all of the debacle in 2012 , don’t GW learn from these events
@John Single Malt: Not sure about your opinion that there are many players exactly like Coetzee – maybe physically we have many in SA, but Jaco has x-factor and that uncanny ability to foresee what is going to happen next in a match.
I quote what I overheard from one of the opposition coaches at CW regarding Jaco; “Daai ou is ‘n freak of nature” – have to say I agree, he has something special, just hope he can stay injury free.
@John Single Malt: There is a huge difference between changing position and saying a player is over rated. Jaco is a talented athlete and has fully deserved the accolades he has received. He is a sprinter, is huge and is exceptionally agile for his size. Play him 6 or 8… He is brilliant.
@John Single Malt: The Sharks have turned de Beer into a loosehead prop due to concerns over his lineout work.
No disagreement about the quantity of good loose forwards that schools churn out every year.
One of the most difficult things to do is predict what the future holds in stall for any youngster. If you watch the rebuilding FS Cheetahs Currie Cup game tomorrow, you might get to see JP du Plessis come off the bench (not starting) and get a few minutes. Back in 2009 or so who would have predicted that boy was heading anywhere but to the top. Lets not mention Piet Lindeque who’s place JP has effectively taken. The opposite applies as well. The boys who looked to have reached the peak of their rugby careers as first team players surprise all by going on to play international rugby.
What I don’t understand and what seems a bit harsh is that you say you’ve watched Coetzee a bit and then pick on his poor handling. He had one below avg game in this dept at CW but he usually has fantastic hands – surely you would have seen this in the other games along with all the other attributes that set him apart from boys his own age. No one is saying he’s an automatic senior rugby star but he’s definitely a current SBR star and I serious dispute the overrated tag! I think SA Schools is just reward for the way he has played.
@Grasshopper:
Im not criticizing him at all. Im trying to provide some perspective for him through all the smoke you keep blowing up his arse.
I didn’t say he was shit I said he was over rated. Ie his is good but not as good as you make him out to be. Mainly by you blokes
Look at what Marx has achieved. And De Beer.
If De Beer hadn’t fracture his leg he would have flown over to NZ for the U20 WC.
Merely stating that he might have to rethink things when he comes up against competition of a few other blokes that are exactly in his mould.
The one thing SA does not lack is players EXACTLY like him.
@John Single Malt: Criticizing a young player on a forum he probably reads is quite a low blow…..
After having watched Jaco Coetzee a bit this year, I think he is highly over rated.
True he is very good when he actually manages to catch the ball but after school I think he is going to find it very tough.
Big burly loosies like him are a dime a dozen and he certainly wont be the next Gary Teichman. Far too one dimensional.
I reckon you’ll see him being converted to a 6 flank(plenty of quality 6s around these days, or as in the case of De Beer at the SHarks U19, even a hooker.)
@GreenBlooded: agreed, would have thought he is to small for lock ?
@RBugger: Yep, Monnas did do a good job after Jaco completely ploughed over them to score the first try. Once in full flight he is tough to stop. He is a great athlete too….don’t forget the front row’s, Glenwood might have the edge there…
@Green Hopper: Slade Stuart? Depending on the game plan he sometimes plays lock and sometimes he swaps with a loosie – normally Le Roux. We will see when the team sheets come out. He normally does the work of 2 and a half players and the word ‘quit’ does not exist in his vocab. Great player……..
Hi there
I thought Slade was in the loose trio for College?
@RBugger: I think the loosies from College are super quick and fit. They will get to the point of breakdown quicker than Glenwood and feed off that loose ball. Coetzee and James are extremely strong runners and tough as hell. For Coetzee to play his normal game Glenwood forwards are going to have to dominate the loose play, which I don’t think they will do against the College loosies.
No doubt this is a mammoth task and I too predict a GW win, they have been the best all season long.
But, I would never write off College at home, Never! They will not come out lightly and they too, have class of their own, no doubt about that.
I know exactly how good Coetzee is, I am surprised no one agrees about trying to nullify such a dangerous player? I watched closely against Monnas and they were clearly gunning for Coetzee in contact and it worked perfectly.
Yes there are other dangerous players, but in my mind, Tharrat and Le Roux match GW loosies. Backs, GW have the edge at 9, 10 and 15 – of course all my oponion.
I would just like to believe that College will go in firing – Coetzee walked off the field against College last year and I would make him my target on Saturday – again, not forgetting about the other 14 players around him.
As I have said, it is a tribute to how good Coetzee is, that I am making a special mention of him!
@RBugger: That’s assuming Le Roux can catch him
Jaco is very elusive and will step and get away from most loosies.
Let College focus on Jaco at their peril – there is a lot more to this GW side than a forward pack – I’m predicting the GW backs to cause havoc in this game.
Even with a strong College performance I can’t see them coming within 20 points of the Green Machine.
I disagree with regards to Coetzee and man marking him. Monnas did this to great effect and it nulified a lot of what Glenwood had to offer. It is very evident that he is the go to man.
Of course you do not focus on him alone, but if Tharrat and Le Roux keep an eye on him, you can bet your bottom dollar he will take the ball into contact, Le Roux needs to bang, bring him to ground and Tharrat over the ball. GW loosies are not typical fetchers, much like KC last year, the loose forward trio have one weakness, they all like to run the ball – sometimes to much! It leaves a void come ruck time, ie – turnovers. The Sharks u19 side are experiencing this! Just my oponion on what I feel can win College the game.
@John Single Malt: Le Roux – yes. Goodson – no.
@Gungets Tuft:
I thought Goodson and Le Roux were just too old to be selected for Craven week?
Might be wrong though.
@GreenBlooded: Best you will do off me is a round or 3 of pints. I don’t bet on events I don’t take part in. Catch up after your match. Might have to put on an apron and do some cooking at Kwela’s hut as well.
@Anti Green: Should be there around midday. Might drag Gungets along – might take some cash off him too…
Can’t be staying there too long. Need to stay lucid for the game – it will be a cracker and want to see it via clear eyes………
@GreenBlooded: Shame you heard wrong, quiet nerdy kind of a chap. Never really enjoyed refs, so a game of bowls is not my cuppa tea. What time you reckon you should be finished trying to show everybody you are the boss?
@Anti Green: Not going to tell you that – or meet you at the bowling club. Heard you are quite a breeker – not averse to busting a few knee-caps. Still want to ref a few more games this season……
@GreenBlooded: If you at the bowling club maybe a double jack with a peel. Which game are you blowing????
@Anti Green: I think your name kind of gives it away. What odds are you offering? Might be keen for a little wager. Meet me at the bowling club after my reffing appointment.
@umbiloburger: Agree – focus on Jaco (and you cannot afford not to do that) and you free up other players to wreak havoc. Sparks against Marcel – wow, that will be a contest. Both are U19 so no bitching about that. On this season’s form I’ll give that tussel to Sparks by the slimest of margins. Both have been game winners for there schools in some very tight situations. I think the difference will be Joubert.
@RBugger: the bigger issue that College will face is stopping GW’s momentum. This has been the success of their game so far. When that momentum gets going then they play any one of four carriers so focussing on Jaco could be a huge error.
And should Le Roux go into Coetsee high…..he could come off second best with that collision. No team has got that right this season. And to play ball off the ground rugby will neutralize the threat of Tharratt on the ground.
IMO opinion, the game is going to be won in the contest between the centres in particular Sparks and Marcel Coetsee. Allow Sparks space and Joubert will punish.
@Anti Green: Well that is quite obvious…
@Dixon’s: Agree with you, Mac McMillan was unlucky not to make the SA Schools trial squad, he is a beast! Venter too has had an amazing season. It will be a very interesting battle, Glenwood with the running edge and College with the fetching edge..
@GreenBlooded: Agree on Palvie, he is an absolute animal. He is getting bigger though, so maybe end up at lock, what do you think?
@Gungets Tuft: Come on don’t be like that. College have the best smallest, quickest loose forwards in KZN. Guess who my money is on this Saturday?
@Greenblooded: Make no mistake, I know all about Tharrat. I actually said to Beet last year, that he was one of the players I thought would stand out this year.
The reason I mentioned Le Roux, is just to attack Coetzee – follow him and use his size to put in big hits, Tharrat to concentrate on poaching thereafter and Goodsen to be on hand to set alight the attack, ie – tandem effort!
Tharrat is a great rugby player, but I would not ask him to shadow Coetzee as his strength lies on the deck, Goodsen with ball in hand and Le Roux my enforcer. Rugby is no fun when every time you touch the ball, you are receiving brutal hits, no matter how good you are, enough big hits on one player can have an effect
@RBugger: When discussing the College loosies – we always forget Tharrat – who honestly has probably been the best of the College back row this season. If Watson referees the match in the same way as he refereed the Michaelhouse clash – Tharrat is going to have a very good day at the office. He thrives at the breakdown – his ball retention and turnover is epic and with a referee who is willing to let it breathe – it will suit him very well.
@RBugger:
Hahahahahaha! Well then….great start! Now we wait for the field performance
@Dixon’s: Palvie is a maniac!! The little I’ve seen of him has been very impressive – ticks all the right boxes for a loose forward. 2015 should be a very successful season for him.
@umbiloburger:
1st Z Watson
2nd K Rugbar
U16A D Joubert
U15A K Wessels
U14A J Keth
No doubt they will all give a stellar performance.
@Playa: Hahahahaha – who says I am not Strudwick
The battle amongst the loose forwards will be one for the ages…. just a word of warning, focus on Coetzee at your peril because the other Glenwood loosies (Muller, Venter and even Palvie) are high quality players!
@RBugger: Love it!
Maybe Strdwick and co should get you to do the change room team talk before kick off
Just wish I could be there for this one. College can neutralise Coetzee with Le Roux and allow Goodsen to play more of an open game. As great a player as Coetzee is, and I really do feel he has been great this year, I also know that he can be suspect … – if I were College coach, I would be sure to tell Le Roux … do not let the boy get in his strides. … run hard at him and likewise, hit him higher in the tackle, rather than the normal leg tackle, he carries all his power in his hips and thighs.
Sorry Coetzee, but I feel College need this info, we all know what a player you are and my writing this can in it self be seen as a sign of respect
@Grasshopper: “it’s a fact many at College feel hard done by in the selections, especially for Goodsen” .. care to elaborate?
You know … how many .. College boys and supporters, that you can make that factual statement?
@Grasshopper: You need to be a whole lot less suspicious of other bloggers motives. I like to think I keep it straight and level most of the time, but I will defend baseless chatter, which you aimed at nobody in particular (so Mr Umbiloburger can butt in as much as he likes – since I suspect he knows Daryn a whole lot better than most).
Just take a breath sometimes. When I said I thought they were over the selection thing I did say “As with many schools I think …”, something you missed in your haste to remind us of the 2 Glenwood reps at SA Schools. Perhaps just be a little more generous with the bloggers here is all … we are not all “Anti Green” …
{was I just 1/2 nice to Umbiloburger …. I really need to concentrate a bit more …
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Fixtures vs College; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/Sport%20vs%20College%20Aug%202014.pdf
@umbiloburger: It’s not controversy boet, it’s a fact many at College feel hard done by in the selections, especially for Goodsen. Luckily enough making KZN or SA Schools is not the be all and end all of ones rugby career, just ask Marcel Coetzee and Kyle Cooper…
@umbiloburger: {blush} .. You just taught me something – I don’t recall knowing about the open teams all playing on Goldstones. As I said, my school rugby career ended at Northlands, their centre kicked me all the way to Saint Disgustings and a couple of reconstructions operations. But I did have the pleasure of playing on Goldstones a few times, so I can look back on that.
U14A – indeed. The pressure of 24 matches in the day, Snows with just 4 games though .. last match at 11:30, could possibly have squeezed another in. Perhaps they think the U14A parents need the exercise – I will wander down and check the parents out, see if it’s that ..
@Grasshopper: Absolutely….. But then talk sense and not controversy, then all talk is cool.
Staples was around before the Grey match. He is doing very well in the UK and he has indicated no chance of coming back at this stage.
I agree with Greenblooded that the appointment of Watson as the referee is a superb choice. I hope there are decent referees for the A team matches.
@Gungets Tuft: It seemed a bit of a ‘we don’t care, playing for College is all that counts’, so apologies if I misinterpreted it. Sometimes things don’t come across as they should in writing. That is certainly the vibe I got from my College OB mates after the KZN team was picked. It was we don’t have reps in the selection committee hence why only a handful of College guys made it. They still jibe me everytime we meet. Glenwood got all the reps because of bias etc…..well Coetzee and Joubert made it on their own….Goodsen was unlucky but will make it after school as he has the right attitude. I wonder if Staples will return…again apologies if it came our wrong….Umbilo you need to stay out of others discussions…
@Gungets Tuft: Ignoren him!!!! Goodsen will play his boots off because that is all he knows.
MC always play their open teams on Goldstones in their last home fixture. Hence the U16A playing on snows. The matrices will run on first.
I am somewhat perplexed that the U14A team have been relegated to Leaches.
@Grasshopper: Seriously. Did you really just say that?
Glenwood didn’t come into it – you said Goodsen and co would be motivated by their exclusion – I said that they were probably over it and that playing in the Red, Black and White was all the motivation they need.
If you carry on looking for perceived insults everywhere, you will find them, but you really need to stop yourself from projecting them onto others, and even more so then going off on some rant to justify your projection.
@Greenwood: I don’t recall a particular tradition like that – and I didn’t “play” a last match for College as I was injured earlier in the season and was carried off for my last College match.
Gungets – playing in school colours – I can relate to that – even though I played GW 8ths I can still remember the first time I pulled my chappie wrapper over my head and even when I watch the lightie playing in his GW kit I get the goosies –
Gungets – when the matrics play their last game for GW they run on to the field alone through a tunnel & and their team claps and cheers them on – do College do that ??
@Gungets Tuft: Sounds a little ‘sour grapes’ to me. Goodsen was up against the SA Schools No 8, not selected by KZN but by the SA schools selectors. He is a good player but certainly not better than Jaco. I think he should have made Academy team though. Your post seems to indicate that the Glenwood boys don’t play for their green jersey, they certainly do…
@Grasshopper: I think you will find Mr Goodsen and team are well over the selection thing. As with many schools I think they regard the pride of playing in their school colours easily the equal, or even more so, than that of CW. Those memories certainly endure longer …
Goodsen and co will want to prove the selectors wrong for leaving them out of both the CW and Academy sides. I expect a very tough fixture….A teams will be great too.
Redblack White
Over the past 5 years every game against College has been a “Cracker”
I see no reason why Saturday will be anything but that – as i said in another
posting yesterday College will come out firing and this game will be similar to the 150th game – expect a full house – cant wait
Regardless of Saturday’s result, I would place GW at no.1 purely based on their tough fixtures list, and the fact that College were unable to beat Westville. well done to GW – they have had an awesome season
Nevertheless – Saturday will be a cracker!!!
@Die Ken: Dit is egter nooit maklik om vir Affies te klop nie.
Dit was nie moeilik om Affies vanjaar te klop nie.
There is no doubt that GW are number 1 in KZN this year. They have produced some fantastic rugby this year. However, it will all count for little if they lose to College, it simply won’t taste sweet and College will have the last laugh, must win game for GW. Good luck to Both sides, I am sure it will be a humdinger of a game
@Grasshopper: and I have seen two of those wins at Affies??
what a treat
@Woltrui: Thanks boet, I heard it was a cracker and Affies played pretty well too. It’s not every year you can win in Pretoria, no matter how weak the Affies side is. I think that was Glenwood’s 3rd win over Affies and their 2nd in Pretoria in 10 years…..Affies will hit back hard in 2015…..eina!
I have watched plenty of GW games, true I haven’t seen the side play for the last 18 months , but what I saw on Saturday takes me back to the team of 2008 , maybe Grassy can do a win loose ratio between these two teams and assessment of the teams played and supply some commentary .
I do however know and have seen this College side , last time in 2012 when most were 16a and it was and is a great team, unbeaten and a good record at that point .
However judging by the win both teams had over Affies and considering that the College win was on Goldstones and Glenwoods was at Affies, I think there is an additional 10-14 points in the GW game from the weekend.
GW were affected in the second half by Altitude, but recovered and showed grit in the last 10 to really close the game. Further if , only if, GW had taken the opportunities of passing on three occasions to the open player or when they had numbers on the outside the score would have been 50 odd, I am not suggesting Affies is a bad team, but the start of the game was frenetic and GW where all over the park, maybe this is what lead to them being a little depleted in the second half.
Considering that College also travelled on the weekend to Pretoria and that we have the two additional players back, its going to be a big one for College , but they do have Goldstone and the crowd support to possibly neutralise the GW advantages
but its going to be one hell of a game ,
as far as number One for the year goes, I think that’s pretty safe , its Glenwood’s once again , no matter the result this weekend
@Grasshopper: Hopper no comment on the Glenwood/Affies game? One of Glenwoods best performances! Not a lot of schools would have kept up with Glenwood on last Saturdays performance. Gongratulations Boet
Played 18, won 14, lost 4 vs the sort of opposition Glenwood has played is an excellent season no doubt. Probably one of Glenwood’s top 5 sides in it’s history;
No Date Team Venue w/l Points For Points Against
1 15/03/2014 Westville H W 32 15
2 22/03/2014 Michaelhouse H W 17 14
3 29/03/2014 Bishops (Grey PE) A W 23 11
4 31/03/2014 Jeppe (Grey PE) A W 20 14
5 17/04/2014 Dale College (Kearsney) A W 31 17
6 19/04/2013 EG Jansen (Kearsney) A W 31 20
7 21/04/2014 Framesby (Kearsney) A W 31 29
8 28/04/2014 Waterkloof (Wildeklawer) A L 27 39
9 30/04/2013 Outeniqua (Wildeklawer) A L 15 20
10 10/05/2014 DHS H W 38 13
11 17/05/2014 George Campbell H W 64 3
12 24/05/2014 Maritzburg College A W 27 14
13 31/05/2014 Monument A L 19 30
14 07/06/2014 Hilton A W 67 7
15 14/06/2014 Northwood H W 64 27
16 21/06/2014 Kearnsey H W 86 13
17 26/07/2014 Grey College H L 12 29
18 02/08/2014 Affies A W 36 22
19 09/08/2014 Maritzburg College A
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In my opinion, in the flesh and based on performances I have seen to date, Glenwood shade College, mainly due to Coetzee and Joubert’s class. Those 2 didn’t play against College but are the two main game breakers for Glenwood along with Sparks. It’s going to take a mighty effort but I think Glenwood by 5. The top in KZN is decided already, Glenwood based on the first game…