Happy 60th birthday for today Tony Stoops.
Bishops Old Boy and retired teacher Tony produces all kinds on detailed stats for Western Cape 1st XV schoolboy rugby on his website www.stoopstats.co.za. He also runs the largest 1st XV school rugby festival during the Easter holidays, so chances are he won’t have too much time to celebrate this milestone.
@Woltrui:
@BOG: Eish Bog. And here I was thinking we are getting tight. Not nice. Why you staying here in Pretoria? The beautiful girls?
@Gungets Tuft: And the motors what did you do to the motor? In Pretoria we have Nissan Double Cab 3l being the king. Low profiles and big HiFi. Tried to chase one the other day in the old age home’s kombi and no match those Bakkies really move.
TWO VERY good reasons NOT wanting to live in Pretoria. Tjoppa and Woltrui live there
@Woltrui: Hahaahaha! That cracked me up.
5 Reasons Pretoria is the no 1 city in SA:
-Friendly people.
-We want to jol we hop over to Jhb.
-We got the Kruger and Pilansberg within 3 hours driving time
-We got a mini Bloemfontein (same mentality) in Pretoria North.
-We don’t have an ocean(dangerous frikin place) within a 300km radius of us.
-We are the home of 3 (three) SuperRugby troffee’s (make it six reasons)
5 Reasons Durbs is not the numero uno in SA.
-When a Valie visit Durbs and we speak English with this heavy boer accent. Why would those beach bums act as if we are idiots? Is it necessary to have such an uppity duppity attitude?
-The ocean(dangerous fricken place)
-The people don’t have a clue about rugby.
-Everything is always wet.
-Al the cars is close to being rusted away. If you park at the beach, I swear to God, there must always be a guy with a Nissan 1400, who has got more rust than steel on the body, playing a M&M song at its loudest (not that I have anything against Mr Maders music), busy taking of a surf board.
5 Reasons Cape Town stink
-Attitude of the Capetownians. Oooohh, I am from Cape Town. I am sooo much better than anybody else. I drink wine with my little finger in the air.
-The fuckin ocean
-Stormers rugby team
-WP rugby team.
-Weather
5 Reasons Bloem is not numero uno.
-Pretoria North wannabee’s.
-Since there is nothing there I forgot the other reasons.
@Tjoppa: I feel I might be letting out trade secrets esor …
If I told you it was a Hilux 2.7 s/c, double leaf springs on the back, obviously dropped suspension, wheel lift winch, with separate dolly for automatics … would that sound like someone you would phone in an emergency?
My brother from another mother handles roll-back stuff …
@Gungets Tuft: My question to you sir is still unanswered. What vehicle do you use for towing?
@Gungets Tuft: My question to you sir is still unanswered. What vehicle do you use for towing.
@BOG: Is it a bigger version of Queenstown because Grey does their recruiting at JJS?
@Playa: Particularly good schools. A bigger version of Queenstown, but Naval Hill being a little smaller. Oh, and Im not sure if they are still closed on Sundays.
@Gungets Tuft: YESLIKE!!!! I’m only warming up at 10-10:30!!!!
That would be a problem.
Hahahaha
@ proper mountain (with a pointy top) … touché !
@Playa: Durban closes at 10pm during the week, 10.30pm on weekends. BUT, we open at 4:30am every day, anywhere from Battery beach to Vetchies. There are clubs, but we will never pretend to be Cape Town or Chunnisbeg in the jolling stakes.
Boring old fart like me, KZN has everything I need within about 4 hours drive – proper mountain (with a pointy top) and a flat one, big 5 reserves, wild places, ocean. {sigh} .. I am so easily pleased.
@BOG: Oh an BOGGIE…the most time I have spent in Bloem is when filling up at the Ultra City when passing through. But I have been reliably told that it is where a family man needs to settle.Low cost of living, friendly people, everything is in close proximity, good schools…its like an extension of King Williams Town
@Ploegskaar: Bhwahahwahaha
BLOG OF THE YEAR FROM PLOEGIE, NO DOUBT!!!
Take it from the youngest person in this discussion. having lived in Maritzburg/Durbs, Jhb & CT…
…if it was possible, with an unlimited budget and energy…I would raise my kids in Durbs, spend my working hours in JHB and spend my weekends in CT…(but fly to JHB for the night life, seeing as everything closes at 2am here in CT).
All have their special qualities, as well as downfalls. But one thing I could not agree more on is how unfriendly Capetonians are. You have to have pale skin and speak only a Scandanavian/East European language to get a good reception here. Alternatively find a crowd that has come here from another province.
@Grasshopper: No, well done and I mean it sincerely. Just a warning about the friends you keep(or is it purely business?) If I knew KB, despite his wealth , Id keep quite about it. There are more honourable folk serving long term sentences in Polsmoor.
Let’s be clear here, I am no hot shot multi-millionaire. I come from very humble beginnings on the Bluff from a one parent family. Through bloody hard work I managed to get an Honours degree paying for it myself and worked in the UK on a work permit for 1 company for 10 years to attain British citizenship. Nothing has come to me easily, but through hard work comes reward and I was lucky enough to get a great well paying job here in SA dealing with senior people. One could say I created my own luck. Anyway, Roger’s comment of bow down boys is not applicable to me, in reverse I treat clients, family and friends with utmost respect, almost too much at times….
I once towed the cousin of the ex MEC for Health …
… it was a Mazda 323, 1981 I believe. About the 7th richest oke in Oribi Village. Or so he said.
@Roger: Yep, all down the coast where it settles in Cape Town and accumulates with all the crap from the last few centuries. The problem is that if you live there, you confuse crap with soil after a while.
@Roger: let me be clearer then, everyone in business knows of him, satisfied? Jee, you can be a doos! I deal with Geoff Cohen daily….
@Grasshopper: why ask if “you know who he is” then if “everybody has heard of him”
Plank
I’m out
@Roger: Gosh you can be an A hole at times, everybody knows Koos he is the 5th richest man in SA. I don’t know of him, he is my biggest client…..well Naspers is….think digital media = big publishers, Facebook, Twitter, Google, Youtube and Naspers…
@Roger: Only blogger mixing with greatness I pressume.
@Grasshopper: Just do not stop living life in full.
Could it be …. Really …. Is Grasshopper the only blogger here who has heard of the Naspers CEO
take a knee gentlemen, we are amongst greatness!
@BOG: PE is pretty clean – wind blows all the shite away
@Gungets Tuft: I’ll probably need your services to pull my BMW320d out of some mud etc, you have a website I can view?
@Tjoppa: I’m on the road to recovery already…..
@BOG: Agreed, cleanest place I have been too. Seems stuck in the 80’s, almost Pleasantville feel about it, not sure about the 40 degree temps in Summer though.
@BOG: Sis on you. How mut your family feel after reading this. Sis Boggie. But enlighten us where did you stay while raising little Bog
@Gungets Tuft: Just asking what vehicle do you use for towing?
Now this is what I call an intellectually superior RUGBY discussion.!!!Should I bleat, groan, moan, role in the cow dung ,pass insults or just move on? Ill settle for the latter, but I shall do so with a passing comment. I have lived in Pretoria, Johannesburg, Cape Town (actually Stalinbosch, but called Stellenbosch in my time) Durban and PE and you know what? Bloem is still the cleanest and best place to raise a family. And yet, I have never lived there.
@Grasshopper: Admitting is the first step of rehabilitation. Carry on this path and by the end of the year we all will want to be your friend.
@Tjoppa: And a pain in the #rse … what with those haemorrhoids.
I make no claim to being anything OTHER than one, or a combination of areshole, windgat and haemorrhoid.
Grassy – tell your mates that both Ploegie and I carry recovery kits, we can help your mates out of any difficulties they may encounter … you know, stuck in potholes on their way to the mall, hung up on pavements at Sandton Square … 8)
@Tjoppa: I do talk a lot of kak, but also a lot of sense with facts to back them. Roger and co just like to focus on the kak and conveniently avoid the facts, like KES only getting 200 A’s in the whole of matric! I would be happy to meet up with Roger and have a beer, it’s all friendly kak in the end….a bit of fun to fill the gaps in the day…all our schools are great in some way….
@Grasshopper: With Toyotas, windgatte and hemorrhoids you are sure to find some kak everywhere.
Now that is a thread of kak! @Roger, one can only make generalistions unless you know every person in JHB, it’s based on a group of friends, family, colleagues and acquantances experiences, what else can you judge it on? Wel, my mates don’t drive Fortuners because they are hijack risks, mostly Ford Ranger Wildtraks, Mitsubishi Pajero Sports, Ford Everests, Chevy Trailblazers and VW Amaroks, but they are all artisans. Two mates have Mercedes Benz CL63 AMG’s and 2 others Audi R8’s. I’m not in that league though, they are up there with Koos Bekker…..if you know who he is…
@Tjoppa:
@Gungets Tuft: And I totaled my previous one last year in a head-on (e-mailed you the pics, you would appreciate). I am properly neither a big-shot or a windgat
@Ploegskaar: Sorry Ploeg I thought a bakkie with cattle rails or VX cruiser. You known the similarity between hemorrhoids and a Toyota. Every second arsehole have one.
@Ploegskaar: Bwaha – so do I, I just chose the 2013 model so they need more than a crowbar and a pair of sidecutters to steal it. (’twas an upgrade on a 13 year old Hilux which they stole 3 times, brought it back each time, bitterly disappointed)
” insular, self-absorbed and unfriendly boerseun in a Fortuner” .. yahhahahha, we are going to play with this one.
@Roger: Hijackers are frankly too scared of me, would you after all take a chance with an insular, self-absorbed and unfriendly boerseun in a Fortuner?
@Ploegskaar: careful – you may get hijacked
@Gungets Tuft: No idea, I drive a Fortuner
@Ploegskaar: Well, he is also saying that 1/2 the okes here don’t talk kak, would it be windgat if I chose that half for myself …
@Grasshopper: And there old hoi poloi gave his secret away. If your friends are driving Toyota Fortuners they can not be that successfull or maybe you are not that a big windgat at home and your friends is nomal people or your international company is not that international. Who will be the judge????
@Ploegskaar: yup – you got me
“Cape Town’s biggest drawback
generally 
are the people – insular, self absorbed and unfriendly.”
Consider myself kukked on!
@Gungets Tuft: This classic from the resident temporary Cape Town resident, higher up on this post, comes close:
“Mate, I respect everyone on here but when someone calls you a ‘windgat’ you need to put them straight. I’m certainly no ‘windgat’ and actually and (sic) experienced player and coach. I don’t talk twak like half the guys here.”
@Ploegskaar: Bwahahhahha … “Hoisted” .. “Petard” …
@Roger:
“Hopper – here’s a tip – stop generalizing when you debate, it makes you look like a fool –”
“Cape Town’s biggest drawback is the people – insular, self absorbed and unfriendly.”
?
@Gungets Tuft: I spent a year there – winter takes some getting used to but no denying it’s natural beauty. Cape Town’s biggest drawback is the people – insular, self absorbed and unfriendly.
Durban – I have family in Kloof and would move there tomorrow – but the trouble and strife wont hear of it. Love the South Coast/Wild Coast and Zinkwazi northward – especially, Mpelane, Vidal etc
Jhb – love the energy, vibe and get up and go attitude – that, more than anything, is what would drive me to distraction in Durban and Cape Town. Call a plumber and he arrives when he arrives
Jhb is also where it all happens from a career, entertainment and first port of call point of view. Climate is great – close proximity to the ‘berg, the bush and the coast. Of course there are drawbacks – but that holds true everywhere you go.
@Grasshopper: Hopper – here’s a tip – stop generalizing when you debate, it makes you look like a fool –
“every women there is a botox sheep in lamb’s clothing type, driving an X6 with far too much time and money at their disposal. ”
“Also, you cannot forget the crime, it’s rampant. Every week I hear of friends Toyota’s Fortuners get stolen or hijacked. Also, living is walled paradises ain’t for me either.”
@Woltrui: Certainly less walls and less locking up, slam lock gates etc. I maybe fortunate to live in the safest place in Cape Town though…sorry no partying and clubbing for me, responsible husband and father now…..that was left in my 20’s and early 30’s…
@Gungets Tuft: I am going to Tinley Manor….out of the usual Gauteng Christmas rush zone….
@Grasshopper: C’mon Hopper. Do you want to tell us you don’t stay behind walls in Capetown or Durbs? Those dudes in the northern burbs in JHB can just afford higher walls than the rest of us. If you can afford safety in SA you are staying in the land of milk and honey. Doesn’t matter if it is in JHB, Ctown or Durbs. I know a lot of friends and family who went to Capetown and couldn’t adapt because off different reasons (but mostly the weather).
If you want to experience life visit Jburg on a Saturday night. Johanna let the Reeperbahn and Piccadilly str look like a convent school on a first sunday in April 8)
@Roger: I lived in Cape Town for 8 months, I left like I was escaping Alcatraz. I will go on holiday but NEVER to live. On Good Friday someone turns off the sun, turns on the sprinklers, and that is it till November. Not for me, thanks. I can deal with the heat, but cold and raining …
@Grasshopper: Warm winter days?!?!?! … are you on the sauce again. I drove out of JHB early one morning in July, was -1 … all I saw was brass monkey’s ….
As for botox women and new money, eeisch, you must be walking around Cape Town with your eyes closed.
Crime – don’t start. It’s everywhere boet. You need to make friends with cars other than Fortuners/Hilux’s – the pre-2013 models are easier to steal than you can believe. They get stolen everywhere, including the house next to mine, and I don’t exactly live in the crime centre of Durban.
Me, I like hills, proper ones, not man made like minedumps or that 1/2 built mountain in Cape Town – tell the okes to get on with it, finish the thing ..
Oh, and Dirtbin se deksel boet, don’t make me klap you with a snoek..
Oh, and Ballito – fubar. Town planning has screwed the pooch daarso. Power shortages, water cuts, overflowing roads and a living nightmare in holiday (and Rage) season. Go Umhloti or further north of Ballito ..
@Gungets Tuft: Luckily for me I am a Durbanite, Londoner and Capetonian in one having spent 21 years in Durban, 11 in London and now 2 in Cape Town. Like every city they all have downfalls, for me the worst part about Cape Town is the cold ocean you can’t swim in, the frikkin wind, cost of housing is crazy, locals are not friendly and most importantly the 6 months of none stop rain. Durban has it’s humidity and dirtbin city centre and London the crowds, tubes and weather. Jozi certainly has one of the better climates that is for sure, beautiful warm winter days and cool nights etc. It also is certainly the friendliest city, people and random people invite you to braai’s at theirs, trips to the dam etc. However, the London-like speed of the place is not for some, also keeping up with the Jones’ at Hyde Park Corner shopping mall, ain’t for all. I walked around there and every women there is a botox sheep in lamb’s clothing type, driving an X6 with far too much time and money at their disposal. Also, you cannot forget the crime, it’s rampant. Every week I hear of friends Toyota’s Fortuners get stolen or hijacked. Also, living is walled paradises ain’t for me either. I’m a KZN boy at heart, keep it simple. Large open gardens, no winter, beach and braai’s. Durban maybe called Dirtbin, but move up the north coast to Ballito and there is a small hidden paradise :-)
@Gungets Tuft: here’s another great article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/travel/9847/john-simpson-in-praise-of-johannesburg.html
A recent survey concluded that more than 50% of Cape Townians had never visited the Kruger National Park or travelled further north than Franshoek – can you adam and eve it
They think places like Dullstroom, Machadadorp, Madikwe, Welgevoenden etc are in Zimbabwe
Personally – I love Cape Town (who wouldn’t) – but I also love the Natal South Coast, the ‘Berg, the Bush, the Garden Route …. and Jhb
Now, not wanting to start this again, or take sides, and as a person who also hates Johannesburg (cosYcos I like hills, and rolling green grass and the ocean), but this came across my mail today and I had a good laugh.
http://www.brandslut.co.za/2014/01/20/dear-world-meet-johannesburg/
“But before I get into the stuff that makes Johannesburg awesome, I need to say this:
You see, what’s worse for me than ignorant foreigners is ignorant South Africans. Enter *that* Capetonian. You know the one, the one who hot-foots it out of Johannesburg faster than a Mitchell’s Plain gangsta in a new Opel Astra OPC. The one who goes to Midrand for a meeting and declares Johannesburg a shit-hole. The one who once visited a relative in Kempton Park and decided Johannesburg is ugly. The one who’s never been to Johannesburg but could never live there.
This person is Johannesburg’s worst enemy. But I’m not here to sling mud; I’m here to say that we all have a role to play in promoting this incredible country in which we live. And that means talking up cities and places other than Cape Town – she needs no help, having won nature’s lottery. Johannesburg on the other hand needs a leg up, and it’s up to us to give her one. That includes you, Capetonians. ”
{ducks quickly under the gunfire ..}
8)
@Roger: OK Roger….
@Vleis: last word freak
Hopper – you are like debating with a ten year old – I am surprised you don’t start referencing Enid Blyton novels as fact
@Vleis: Glenwood cricket over 100 years is not defendable even by the best debater. He would certainly lose on academics and a few other sports…
@Roger: @Grasshopper: Have to say Hopper, you’ve been klapped by Roger in this exchange. Hope it goes better for your Alma Mater in the rugby this year!
@Tjoppa: For my SA schools and SA player stats for Glenwood in cricket vs KES yes, but for everything else no….
@Grasshopper: So you admit your’s is smallest. Siestog Shirley said not to invite you to a poker game. Apparently she will bet that you are like her grandson’s 50, all noise but no go. And at her age she is not willing to risk a heart attack for something so inferior.
@Roger: OK, so SAP stats are transparent and trustworthy? Hmmmm…..ok, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story…
You couldn’t pay me enough to live is Sandton, Westcliffe or Sandurst, why because they just glamourous prisons. I am aware mining is no longer the key sector there, hence my involvement is telecommunications and digital media. Lagos is soon to take over JHB’s spot as top African economic powerhouse.
Yes, but the ones from PE know about the waterway rules, those from up north have no idea and probably don’t have skippers licences. Quite a few accidents and deaths recently due to this….really sad.
Yes, I too and bored of this, we have differing opinions so let’s agree to disagree. Back to rugby and schools sports please rather than dick measuring contests…
@Grasshopper: saw that article – great for Cape Town.
I am pretty sure the CEO’s, MD’s and industry captains do not regard their Sandurst and Westcliffe mansions as “mining town dumps”. In case you were not aware – minings contribution to the Gauteng economy is less than 10% – but once again, dont let facts stand in the way of a good story…..
The latest crime stas released by the SAPS actually puts Cape Town number 1 – but don’t let facts stand in the way of a good story……
BTW – I holiday in St Francis Bay twice a year and have been for the last 15 years – I am sure your parents are aware (even if you are not) that 50% of the homes there are PE owned – so the “crazy drunken kids” and “boat drivers” are not all from up-country – but dont let facts stand in the way of a good story…..
Anyway – I am bored of this debate – good luck with that board report
@Roger: Here is a fact for you; http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/01/10/travel/2014-places-to-go.html?_r=0
@Roger: Just to add, now hired a Sales Director up there to cover things there, so I don’t have to fly up to Lanseria every wekk….shooo what a relief….
@Roger: Mate, it’s my personal feeling on the place, last I looked we were a democracy with ‘freedom of speech, but maybe that is changing with Zuma and co. Fact, JHB is mining town dump…..no actual reason to live there other than money hence why you see droves of Gauteng families flock to the coast annually like the sardine run. The poor coastal villages have to put up with wild tourists for 3 weeks of the year. My parents live in St Francis Bay and they hate the Christmas period, crazy kids driving boats, drunken boat driving, accidents….packed shops. Murder, Hijack, Rape and crime capital of Africa. You can take your cash as I won’t change my coastal lifestyle of sun, sand and vineyards anytime of that place. Living in walled communities and driving monster trucks to feel safe is not my ideal way of living. Our CEO even asked to never set up meetings there as he only wants to visit Durban and Cape Town…..says alot. Enjoy it up there if you like being on alert constantly…
@Grasshopper: @Gungets Tuft: wallet measuring? Once again Hopper is dealing in sweeping generalisations and I am dealing in facts. Hopper asked why anyone would want to live in a “smokey dustbowl” and I repsonded by alluding to an article. Fact is, Gauteng has the largest economy in Africa, let alone SA, contributes more than 40% to the SA GDP and 50% of tax revenues. There’s a reason why there are more Sharks supporters in JHB than in Durban. Here are some more Hopper gems……”pretentious people everywhere”, “dry as a camel’s hoof for 8 months”, “air of danger everywhere”, “everyone eats out and drives ferraris and boats to the dam”……but heh, don’t let facts get in the way of a good story. I would love to read your quarterly board reports
I’m really sorry you have to travel to Gauteng once a week and I’m also really sorry your business obviously depends on the “smoky dustbowl”
Just make sure you don’t buy an e-tag
Oopsie, now it’s wallet measuring. Jeez, if I thought I was outgunned in the last {koff} contest, I am definitely out of this one. Bloody hell, I bet when those okes run out of petrol they just abandon the pesky Audi and just buy another one with a full tank. I bet they would spit on my tow truck {sob}, I feel so insignificant.
@Roger: mate, I’m there every week, it’s a complete shite hole. Lovely houses yes behind Alcatraz walls, crappy traffic jams along William Nicol, dodgy taxis, dry as a camels hoof for 8 months of the year. Pretentious people everywhere with financed Land Rover Evoque’s, X6’s. There is an air of danger everywhere, hijacking and stolen cars. I bank was robbed in front of my eyes. Everyone eats out and get excited about driving their Fortuner and boat to the dam on the weekend. Just not my lifestyle at all. Granted people are very friendly though……I stay in Sandton or Bryanston when I’m there…
@Grasshopper: smokey dust bowl
when last were you in the leafy northern suburbs 
This is why people choose gauteng Hopper
http://www.fin24.com/Multimedia/Articles/Where-SAs-super-rich-live-20140119
@Roger: Nope, there are quite a few schools that excel is many aspects, not just sport…..
@Grasshopper: surely Westville is the school for you then…….
@Roger: How childish! I would prefer an all round school of excellence than a cricket one, but hey ho…..also one on the coast and not stuck up in the smokey dust bowl of a city that is Jozi…
@Grasshopper: thought is was a rugby site?
yup – mine is bigger
@Roger: It’s a rugby site boet, but far fewer than your beloved KES. Only 5 SA cricketers in our history, but still ranked top20 for that. Steven Jack was the last. Sias Du Plessis (5fm DJ) could have been the last. Last 20 years, only Linda Zondi (1995 – SA U19 ), Warren Hauptfleisch (1998/SAU19 2000), Mthokozisi Shezi (2005/SA U19 2006), Colin Munro (NZ U19 2005/2006), Sumanth Sunkari (2010/SA U19), Sahil Bissoon (2010/SA U19), Cody Chetty (SA U19) and Andile Phehlukwayo (2013/SA U19), so that makes 8. More importantly though is Glenwood’s 420 plus A’s and an avg of 1,77 per pupil vs KES’s 201 A’s and avg of 1 per pupil
@Woltrui: I agree mine is bigger – Hopper’s silence I will take as tacit agreement
you are going to have to explain that to me in English – ek is heeltemaal tweetaalig (gewoonlik!)
@Roger:
Tralala….
I think yours is bigger (coming from a neutral)
Just remember the old Afrikaans saying. As dit baie krimp kan dit ook gewoonlik baie rek!
@Grasshopper: ok Hopper – dick measuring time. You want to talk cricket – how many international players has Glenwood produced in the past 20 years? KES has 9 – 7 for SA, 2 for for Eng. How many SA Schools players has Glenwood produced in the last 20 years – KES has 22
@Tjoppa: Hmmmpff, I am far more worried about what she WILL hold against me. I am allergic to seafood ……
@Gungets Tuft: Shirley a real darling, after a few pulls of pot and five or six shots OBS I can promise you she will not hold your age against you.
@Ploegskaar: Dankie Ploegie !! Soos hulle sê oud word is nie vir sussies nie – in my geval sal ek maar sê “ouer word ook nie !!” (Ek stuur vir jou ‘n e-pos met ‘n bietjie meer detail)
Jy kan daardie uitnodiging gerus aanstuur. Stokkies het gesê ek moet hom teen Maart kontak om seker te maak ons kry die uitnodiging….niks verkeerd om dubbel seker te maak hierdie jaar nie.
Trevor Madsen was another, SA hockey and cricket. Hockey and cricket are closer in the skills needed so probably many more if them. I heard Jacques Kallis was a decent rugga player..
@Gungets Tuft: Gerbrandt Grobler too, played Northern TVl at rugby and cricket- at fullback and a left hand seamer. And its not as if he was on the fringe of the teams- he was first choice. He was tragically killed in a motor accident. Udo Goedeke was from MC. Hopper mentions that Errol Stewart was a hockey and cricket player. And rugby? Did he not play at centre for the Sharks ( Maybe his team of choice disqualified him as a rugby player
) I know that he came very close to representing SA at cricket as w/k. Did he not play a ODI or two?
@Tjoppa: Nee Tjops, sal daardie wanopvatting hopelik oor ‘n laaaang bier kan regstel. waneer jy wel eendag hieronder is.
@BuffelsCM: Hoop jy raak gou beter ou maat, sien uit na nog vele rugbypraatjies hierdie jaar. Sal die uitnodiging vir die Tiere Junior Toernooi vir jou spoedig laat aanstuur.
@Tjoppa: Haha ou Tjoppa, a pot is inevitable I reckon, just the venue to be decided. Shirley sounds a bit worrisome, not at all sure you are telling the whole story.
Nice win in the cricket today! Westville 73 all out with Andile Phelekhuwayo taking a 5 for. Glenwood 77/5, win by 5 wickets. The ball must have been swinging like a banana in today’s conditions hence low scores….
@Grasshopper: Nothing “happened” to him, seems there is no need for a deadly accurate bowler that can finish games. I am not privy to any inside info but I suppose the county circuit might be the way to go.
Looks like Nelio is missing 2 then, Adrian Penzhorn and Mally Thompson. I didn’t know about Penzhorn, to my embarrassment.
Errol Stewart surely the pick of the bunch though, going on at senior level for both, must have been mentioned for Springbok at some stage
@BOG: Mally Thompson, 1974 I think, from memory. I walked with him on the day that College had the freedom of PMB last year and walked from the city hall to College. Still a meneer.
@Grasshopper: The ones I have, according to http://www.rugby15.co.za/2014/01/school-boys-that- played , there were 8.
Chris Smit (1979) GCB;
Gerbrandt Grobler ( 81) GCB;
Helgaard Muller (82) GCB;
Frans Cronje (85) GCB;
Greg Miller , Herschelle Gibbs(Bishops), Lee Barnard(KES), Udo Goedeke (MC)
@BOG: http://www.schoolsportsnews.co.za/rugby/rugby-events/craven-week/sa-schools/doing-the-double/
@BOG: Herschel Gibbs, Bishops early 90’s, Peter Kirsten….Hansie Cronje? Errol Stewart was rugby & hockey, Derek La Marque was rugby captain and waterpolo captain. Terence Knickelbein? AB de Villiers?
@Gungets Tuft: @Grasshopper: A question for you gentlemen. How many sportsmen represented SA schools at both rugby and cricket -and name their schools ? Gungets, you should know one of them. Give me the year too if you can.
@Gungets Tuft: Would love to have you over one night for poker. I think some of your stories could have the edge on our old fart’s stories. We can even organise over night accomodation with old Shirley. She’s a real darling.
@Gungets Tuft: Must be better, at least 25% conversion. What happened to Du Pavilion?
@Ploegskaar: Maybe rephrase – Ploegie also bigshot but not windgat.
@Grasshopper: I wonder if the conversion of SA Schools cricketers to Proteas is better than rugby?
http://www.schoolsportsnews.co.za/cricket/coke-week-dream-team/
@Grasshopper: Yes, he played SASchools. Was recently named by the Sa schools selectors to their All Time best squad.the names in the list are a who’s who o SA cricket
@Woltrui: yep, did he play SA schools? Doing well for himself, well done! Future Protea keeper batsman?
@Grasshopper: Quinton de Kock?
@Roger: a tier 2 school with 5 SA schools players in the past 5 years, Cody Chetty, Sahil Bissoon, Sumanth Sunkari, Prenalen Subrayen and Andile Phelekhuwayo. All of them playing SA under 19 too. Sahil and Sumanth following academic paths but Cody and Prenelan doing well for the Dolphins. Andile will do well and needs to choose between hockey or cricket. Not bad for a second tier school, probably more reps than KES. Pillay, Jennings and Valli, ?
@Roger: I think Valli is out of school now. Andile Phehlukwayo is only in matric now, http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/540316.html
What I find so funny is when schools make excuses using terms like ‘fortunate’, ‘lucky’ etc…..teams make there own luck. A ‘snotklap’ like the last rugby game between Glenwood and KES, 38-3 in 2004!! Since then KES have done their utmost best to avoid the Green Machine and that sort of beating again
@Ploegskaar: Nope, the games just lack build up and atmosphere. Even the Boishaai vs Kwagga’s game the teams pretty much just ran on straight after the 2nd’s. In KZN there is a battle of war cries, bands, parachuters etc…..crowds in excess of 10,000. I went to Gim vs Boishaai, was big but still lacked something…..maybe it’s because its not my teams playing. There certainly are more schools…
@Grasshopper: History and passion are certainly not the words that spring to mind. You alluded to the reason for the perceived lack of passion and crowds in the WC, there are obviously much more quality schools with excellent teams, players and hence available matches on offer every Saturday, and likewise so much more to do after matches as well. Then again, maybe the crowds are also more knowledgeable, the learners better mannered and everyone just generally better behaved.
@Tjoppa: Oy, OY, OY!!!!
Wassis about “Ordinary”, and then single out the tow truck oke. I will have you know .. when you are parked on the side of the road, wiff smoke and flames pouring from your jammie, it might just be too late for respect, gnome sane …
I am ook MD ….. Main Driver, ease up bru, cut me and also bleed
@Grasshopper: 1 A per learner – in my day KES would have been top school in the country with that ratio
@Grasshopper: ah – but Valli was missing was he not? SA Schools and under 19 captain – I think Glenwood were very fortunate to:
a) get a run out against KES
b) to avoid Valli
c) to avoid a snotklap
@Roger: Yeah, scraped a draw haha in a declaration match where KES were 187/7 and managed to get to 246. Glenwood were 183/7 in quicker time with two guys well set at the crease. KES did do well to recover after they lost Roelofsen early for 2. Glenwood’S SA Under19/SA Schools opening bowler Andile Phelekhwayo didn’t bowl for some reason which would have made a huge difference as he is our strike bowler. You could say KES had the edge on the draw but it was a good close game…
@Roger: This article wasn’t, I can’t find the one that put egg in Tony’s face. KES only got 200 odd A’s, when College & Glenwood got 420 plus and Westville 600 odd. Westville had an avg of 2.45 A’s per pupil, Glenwood 1.79 and KES 1.
@Grasshopper: on the subject of cricket I see you scraped a draw against KES at the Grey festival – lts really nice that we are giving Tier 2 schools an opportunity to run with the big dogs
@Grasshopper: KES results poor – I saw 98% pass rate and 86% university entrance
Anyway – this is a rugby blog isn’t it – with a smattering of cricket here and there 
Excuse my ignorance but why is the above article upsetting?
@Roger: Where were you when I mentioned the poor KES matric results! Here is one where Tony predicted an easy with for Boland Landbou, Glenwood won 36-13
Boland Landbou – opponents: Glenwood (Thursday), Noord-Kaap (Saturday)
The Farmers are lucky to have a sighter before their stiffer challenge. They will have seen Glenwood play at the Kearsney Festival and will be confident of being able to pile more woes on KZN’s fallen heroes. Hopefully the backline will be running on all cylinders by kick-off. If so, the Windmeulers should start successfully.
Noord-Kaap are another matter entirely, if only because they tend to play their matches in concentrated spurts, interspersed with periods of enforced inertia. Henk Brand’s team has two strong points: the loose trio, in which Nico Graaff and Luaan Dowie are more than a handful, and out wide where Vredenburg resident Hilford Clarke has been amongst the tries over the last few years, courtesy of his blistering pace.
Prop Matthys Basson is the Bolanners’ key player so you can be sure both their opponents will be trying to steer clear of tight exchanges.
Looks like win one, lose one.
– See more at: http://www.stoopstats.co.za/articles/western-cape-s-prospects-at-wildeklawer/#sthash.x4GNsiZb.dpuf
I can’t find the other article….
@Ploegskaar: I hope it was me because now he will know rugby history and passion doesn’t only exist in the WP. In fact, I have been disappointed with the passion and crowds in the WP after one season watching, maybe people are spread out amongst matches, but not one had really big crowds…..Bishops vs SACS being the biggest I saw. The schools are like ‘ghost’ schools by 2pm on a Sat afternoon, no after party and not a kid in site. In KZN 2pm is when the 2nd team plays and the crowds are pulling in for a bumper afternoon of boerie rolls, beer and war cries…
@Gungets Tuft: @Ploegskaar: heh fellas – point me in the direction of this Tony Stoops article where he has a pop at Glenwood or enlighten me
Hopper is ignoring me – sob, sob
@Tjoppa: Bigshot se gat, net nog een van vele wat skolerugby geniet.
@Grasshopper: I think he may have been referring mostly to you, but I will check with him. As they say: Selfs ‘n klein mannetjie kan ‘n moerse geraas maak as jy ‘n megafoon aan sy bek vasplak. Hope you make the trip to at least one day of the TSRF, or the Farm when Boland play Boishaai. Always a good day’s rugby with plenty of hard clean games.
@Grasshopper: Then stop acting like one and proof us wrong with your words and actions.
@Tjoppa: Mate, I respect everyone on here but when someone calls you a ‘windgat’ you need to put them straight. I’m certainly no ‘windgat’ and actually and experienced player and coach. I don’t talk twak like half the guys here. This is the man I learnt from, Toppy Hortop…read ‘Grasshoppers vs Horseflies’ – http://books.google.co.za/books?id=x82xwEogJfYC&pg=PR6-IA23&lpg=PR6-IA23&dq=toppy+hortop&source=bl&ots=rTf57Q7jjC&sig=Hn-fITl0iPnX4Jme-qDrbXzcrjU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WSPZUuaoDOfG7AbesoGwCw&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=toppy%20hortop&f=false
@beet: Beet if you hang on, a lot of us will not be around anymore, and you will be appreciated and respected like Tony.
So frame this : from all our old farts “Thank You”
@Grasshopper: That must be it, because the majority of the poor souls blogging here is normal rugby lovers. Apart from Ploegie, who is also a bigshot, and Bog,who wants to be one, we only have tow truck drivers, pensioners etc etc etc. And I apologise on behalf all who misunderstood you, must be our inferior status, in the past and the future.
Happy birthday Tony! Great guy proving a great service to his community.
I think more and more W/Cape schools are starting to appreciate his contribution every year.
@Tjoppa: exactly, that is why I’m respected in my job sphere and MD of a global company :-). I welcome a lesson or klap from a school teacher rugby coach aged 60……learnt many a lesson from Glenwood legend Toppie Hortop who must be 70 now…
Tony now you are an official a “kalkoentjie”. Welcome to this club. Our membership does not last long but it will be the best years of your life. Welcome.
And to Grashoppertjie a bit of advice -Respect is earned, not bought AND if you get to “windgat” Barbarians will cross your path and “klap” the hell out of you. Shut up and listen to Tony – you might learn something usefull.
@Gungets Tuft: I have met him already, not a bad guy. He doesn’t like what I say but understands why I did. Most likely he was the scapegoat for most of the unsavoury allegations.
@Grasshopper: Eeisch. SE would be glad to see you, why exactly?
It’s not as if you were his biggest supporter?
@Ploegskaar: Oh the 3 bloggers on this site, not exactly the thousands punting Glenwood……anyway. Happy to come over the hills to the northern suburbs as I did with the Boishaai vs Kwaggas game in Paarl. Now that SE is head coach there I might come more often. I might even make a trip to the farm this year :-)
@Ploegskaar: TSRF dates are 29th March – 2nd April, my bad.
@Grasshopper: The over-hyped comment was clearly aimed at those punting and extolling the virtues of GW at all costs and at every opportunity over a long and exhausting preceding period, most certainly not at the school. If you get to know Master Stoops, you will quickly learn he has no affiliations or favourites, as his honest and impartial assessments of his Alma Mater, Bishops, have proven in the past. He simply calls it as he sees it, and therein lies both his credibility, and the popularity of his site.
The TSRF is from the 31st March to the 2nd of April at Tygerberg High School, you will find him in the caravan calling the shots as always, why don’t you come this side of the Boerewors curtain for a meet and greet and watch a few quality games as well?
Congrats, Tony. Thank you very much for your enormous contribution to Western Cape SB Rugby!
Congratulations Tony !! I trust that you’ll have a splendid day !!
Thank You for all the effort that you’ve put into the rugby of the Western Cape over time !! Long may it continue !!
(BTW you share a birthday with my late father)
“Uncle” at 60? He is in the prime of his life.We have seen on this site that one only gets sense at the age of 60. Congratulations.
Happy New Year all – hoping for a great year of rugger with the Grogper Cup remaining firmly in the grasp of the North
@Grasshopper: what did Oom Tony have to say about the Green machine?
Happy b’day young man! May 2014 be a successful and enjoyable year for you next to and away from the rugby and cricket fields, across the Peninsula and specifically those in the rustic rural surrounds. Looking forward to an exciting TSRF 2014!
Happy birthday Mr Stoop. Best wishes for you the coming year. I am a regular reader of your website and have learned a lot about schoolboy rugby in the Western Cape following the site. I do admire your passion and enthusiasm for the game.
Happy Birthday Tony, great site and legend in WP. If only you had more respect for KZN schools and Glenwood in particular after you comment last year. I hope you ate your hat!