| SCHOOL | SCHOOL | NOTES | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hugenote | 22 | 14 | Boland Landbou | {R.I.P. Ploegskaar} | |
| Dan Pienaar | 15 | 17 | Die Brandwag | ||
| Queens | 40 | 25 | Cambridge | ||
| Oakdale | 28 | 3 | Framesby | ||
| Outeniqua | 36 | 23 | Noord-Kaap | 13h05 Kwagga Dag – on TV | |
| EG Jansen | 36 | 0 | Marlow | 14h20 Kwagga Dag | |
| Garsfontein | 71 | 3 | Tygerberg | 15h30 Kwagga Dag | |
| Nico Malan | 17 | 17 | Diamantveld | Kwagga Dag | |
| Grey College | 68 | 7 | Glenwood | ||
| Grey HS | 45 | 0 | Selborne | On TV – Friday 12h55 | |
| Queens | 60 | 3 | Hangklip | ||
| Dale | 19 | 28 | Hudson Park |
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@McCulleys Workshop: ok, let’s do it! Probably moving to Ballito next year so will be around. College won’t win a game on the day, let alone 2…
@HORSEFLY NO.1: thanks Horsie for doing what I was going to do. A pity we could not improve on that at home last year. What is scary is what Grey would do against all the other KZN schools down the line as Glenwood usually wins the majority of games against KZN opposition, except maybe College at College and Westville in an age group…maybe 2000 points on a day….
@Grasshopper: @Gungets Tuft: @star: No-Hoper, you can’t throw out a challenge of those proportions to all the Soutie schools, and the Famous Red Black No Friends of Wright, GT, and then rearrange the odds. Are you in or are you out – MC vs GCB – I say for a case of label quarts or Kilkenny at the Shamedrock, MC will win more games than you did home or away, it doesn’t matter. Not sure what GT’s bet is, nor Star’s but maybe you should be laying a few of those bets off with Wood and Blood?
GLENWOOD VS GREY COLLEGE 2011 STATS:
GLENWOOD POINTS: 64
GREY POINTS: 1616
GAMES PLAYED: 23
GLENWOOD WINS : 0
GREY WINS: 23
AVERAGE SCORE: 70-3
GLENWOOD VS GREY COLLEGE 2013 STATS:
GLENWOOD POINTS : 164
AGAINST: 1513
GAMES PLAYED: 25
GLENWOOD WINS: 2
GREY WINS: 23
AVERAGE SCORE: 61-7
So this shows a slight improvement by Glenwood, not bad for the green people.
@ McCulleys- drinking money in trust with me. And you thought you knew me.
There are variants of the theme we can throw in. How about number of scores in excess of 100 or overall points differential. Count me in for the treble.
@Grasshopper: Consider yourself lucky that they were only ODIs.Things dont look too bad with the 3rds and 6 ths. Possible remedy is to make the 5ths the 6ths and vice versa. I still maintain that you are making too much of the travelling .How do those scores compare with the last fixture in Durban? Not in 2006. But I agree with you, those 10 hours must have felt like 20.
@Gungets Tuft: Like my Kilkenny so would love to join you guys. However, if College play them at a different time in the seasons it’s not apples vs apples. Also, it needs to be in Bloem at not at College. Grey PE didn’t win one game there…..it’s tougher than you think, especially after a 10 hr bus trip. Maybe College will do better due to being used to the higher altitude and dry dusty inlands……us surfers are not…
@McCulleys Workshop: I have to take that bet now, which is completely against my nature. I never bet on sport in which I am not taking part and can influence the outcome. Superbru doesn’t count.
I am good for the wonga, as long as we put it behind the bar at the winners local. I choose the Shamrock in Durban North, cosYcos they have Guinness and Kilkenny on tap.
@Grasshopper: Linear comparisons are rubbish, plus you guys chose to play GC at the end of the season, after your guys had probably psychologically hung up the gumguards.
Watch. It’s a much better strategy than predicting.
@Gungets Tuft: @Grasshopper: Hopper, I’m a betting man, I’ll put 100 randt or a case of label quarts, you choose, that MC wins more than 2 games against Grey C – you up for that? We can put the funds in trust with Mr Cowans practice, or Star. Anyone else in?
@Gungets Tuft: You must have a magic wand to wave to sort out College rugby to make it competitive with Grey Bloem by next year. Glenwood won more matches against College both home and away this year, so how College is going to do better not sure, but good luck to our good friends from Maritzburg. We too are not scared of losing but by 100 points plus is just ridiculous…
@Grasshopper: I have just done a little screen grab of your Nostradamus Moment, Mr Grasshopper.
Heaven knows indeed …. 8)
Under14B’s and Under14E’s you legends! Let me guess Oros and Hutch’s teams…
Glenwood vs Grey Bloem, rugby…..look away Glenwood supporters, eish! We got a nice hiding in the lower teams…..haibo! I mean 137-0, how many tries is that? What is the highest score possible in a 50 min game? If we did this badly heaven only knows what is going to happen to College next year and any other ‘soutie’ school vs Grey Bloem in Bloem. That is just plain embarrassing by the nicotine 9ths!
RUGBY vs GREY BLOEM: FRIDAY 9TH AUGUST
GLENWOOD SCORE GREY SCORE RESULT
1ST 7 1ST 67 LOST
2ND 9 2ND 59 LOST
3RD 7 3RD 18 LOST
4TH 15 4TH 55 LOST
5TH 6 5TH 101 LOST
6TH 13 6TH 22 LOST
7TH 10 7TH 64 LOST
8TH 0 8TH 122 LOST
9TH 0 9TH 137 LOST
16A 5 16A 38 LOST
16B 7 16B 69 LOST
16C 5 16C 33 LOST
16D 0 16D 118 LOST
16E 0 16E 124 LOST
15A 7 15A 41 LOST
15B 0 15B 52 LOST
15C 0 15C 35 LOST
15D 0 15D 50 LOST
15E 0 15E 97 LOST
14A 5 14A 24 LOST
14B 17 14B 14 WON
14C 12 14C 29 LOST
14D 17 14D 67 LOST
14E 22 14E 20 WON
14F 0 14F 57 LOST
@BOG: Bog, this is all your fault, you’ve used your howitzer to blast all and sundry (and Sundree pre 94) within a 400km radius, and there is nothing left standing except Ox, which means you have to fire up the chevy’s and greyders to cross the rubicon to find any worthwhile opponents.
@QC86:@Gungets Tuft: You know, not being involved in this anymore, I never thought of this dimension. The “worst” that happened in our day, was “attempted seduction” by a sister and in exceptional cases, a mother. But it was always handled very diplomatically (or enthusiastically, perhaps-but we wont know) But in all seriousness, its frightening to hear this and one could only envisage that it could become worse.
@QC86: It’s not always about the “quality”of the hosts but about a legal liability. It came up quite harshly when the College boy was shot in a house robbery recently, that the host school bears some responsibility. Would be a sad day when hosting stopped. I know that College allows for BE boys to be hosted by their school mates to free the BE up for the visiting kids where there can be more control (well hopefully – last year some BE hosted boys went out on the town and got quite wasted). I can imagine some sort of vetting process in the future … eeisch.
@BOG: “The incident”.. uh??
No boet, there was no incident, nothing like that at all. Anything like that would not cause a cancellation, it would be a negotiation, like grown ups, and a resolution .. like .. um .. big people
Not sure if there have been approaches, hockey is closely alligned to rugby, so from next year. Cricket is a different beastie and the season is so short anyway, with EOY exams etc, so hard to get it on.
I need to go now, in case I need an umbrella …
@BOG: no i have not heard that the fixture is to be called off,but it would not surprise me thro.The hosting of the Grey boys is a problem and at the moment they all book into a hotel,and that must cost a packet.With our school been where it is some of the hosted boys end up in some very undesirable homes,sadly and that should not happen,some scary stories out there.Thus i think Grey bloem could play a better school and it would be cheaper.
@QC86: For a moment you had me confused until I remembered that you have split loyalties- you and your boys at Selborne. Not bad and with Selbornes U15s looking good, they can look forward to a reasonable season in 2-3 yrs time. Have you heard anything about the fixture with GCB being stopped?@Gungets Tuft: I know about the contact, but what I meant was there contact in cricket since the “incident”? The rugby with Queens has also been suspended but they have continued with cricket and hockey- as far as I know.@meadows: I saw that and Francois Venter is returning after the CC (from BBs) Hope to see Andries Strauss follow, but FS will require an overhall before he can be used at the Cheetahs.I wish the factory would stop the production of centres and see if they cant construct some solid locks for a change
@BOG: I see Piet Lindeque is back in Bloem – played against the Lions on Saturday. You are correct – what would OFS do with all the talent.
@BOG: Have played plently of cricket
First in 1976, played 21, won 6, drawn 12, lost 3
Hockey
First in 1980, played 24, won 12, drawn 7, lost 5
And for balance, rugby, first in 1940, played 19, won 2, drawn 0, lost 17 – the last 3 scores in 06, 07, 08 were 3-50, 3-86 and 7-72.
@BOG: only thing keeping me here is our u16a’s 36 -10 win over Grey PE’S u16’s,our TV show piece was really bad
and will cause me to stick my head in a hole,any school got a spare coach 
@Gungets Tuft: Let sleeping dogs lie— As far as I know they have had contact in other areas- cricket , or am I wrong? Has anyone seen Playa ? I would imagine that the result against Hudson Park may have something to do with his disappearance. Must be a first?
@beet: that is 100% correct Beet,it was never about the money in this instance.BP was extremely happy at PRG & would definitely not have left under any other circumstance.
he has a bright future ahead of him
@BOG: We are 100% in agreement – standards 10-15% higher, and no IEB benefit past school, unless the soft skills count (the higher IEB standard encourages better writing skills – as in essays etc) but the Uni’s don’t take that into account (political for sure!!). Add to that the new initiative to force 1st Year varsity students to do a 3rd language (12 years too late in my book!!) or to change our 3-year degrees to a 4-year (just adding a bridging year at the start to try and compensate for the woeful state of our non-model-C schools).
For your other question – you will need to mail me at Gungetstuft(at)gmail(dot)coza. I might then hint at what I believe caused it .. or I might not. It is old history (which will hopefully not repeat itself. It had ZERO to do with the results, or we would not play Affies any more, and this years debacle would have put Westville on notice as well. College boys are not afraid of a loss, we just don’t like it. But I don’t like the dentist either ….
@BOG: What the IEB espouses and uses as its differentiator is it’s so called research showing that IEB pupils fare far better at Uni than NSC matriculants do. I’m sure they may be right, but you can’t take a sample of SA’s mainly elite pupils and compare them against the rainbow nation of national matriculants. It’s a little like believing in BHP’s top 50 schools and drawing much significance from it!
@Gungets Tuft: Come on, tell us whats behind the cancelling of the fixture- Im ding to know, and Im serious. And I wont tell a sole. As far as your comparison between IEB and NSC does, I agree and disagree. You dont benefit on gaining entrance to a SA university or anywhere else for that matter (and I think the reasons are political) but the standards are certainly higher. My son did an IEB and their exams at the end of Gr11 were the previous years NSC Gr 12 papers- and it was a walk in the park
@Grasshopper: When Tredoux arrived did he go into the grade he was in when he left his original school, or did he repeat. I am calling the move to repeat a grade (to either catch up in English, or to catch up to IEB standards) the “Wright Syndrome”. Same for Potgieter for that matter?
And for the record, I disagree with the blanket statement that “IEB(sic) is a better exam”. No evidence of that. It is harder, absolutely. My daughter wrote IEB and my nephew wrote NSC in the same year, I reckon they are 10-15% different. However – a 80% at IEB counts for no more than a 80% as NSC for entrance to local or foreign universites- niks and nada. 80% gets you 7 grading points at Rhodes no matter which exam you wrote. And, the NSC and IEB students have the same hill to climb in first year with the difference in standards from school to Uni. IEB students don’t do measurably better. Boarding school kids do, because the adjustment to being away from home and self-directed was done at Grade 8.
If you want a South African ” Matric” to get entrance to a Cambridge, or Brown, then send your child to an “International School” and do O and A levels. Without that, resign yourself to a SA degree and then a foreign Honours degree.
@Grasshopper: There is a little more to the cancelling of the Grey College fixture than meets the eye, I take exception to the statement that College stopped the fixture because of the size of the losses. Remember that College beat GC the year before the 3 consecutive big losses.
Don’t bother asking, I doubt a College boy will explain as it will sound like excuses, but I believe that College has had the worst 5-6 years in it’s history, something that I know is at an end. And no, it is not due to a recruitment drive, just a mindshift, something that will reveal itself in the near future.
And not to worry about College, the only lambs you might see is if we decide to put on a Nativity play. We don’t translate losses in that manner – we see them as character building.
@McCulleys Workshop: yep, feel really sorry for the incumbent MHS under 16 flyhalf, poor kid. I don’t agree with imports, said this many a time hence my few requests, remove SE, reduce fixtures and only recruit at grade 8 level. Build the teams from the bottom up. This ‘win at all costs’ attitude is not the traditional Glenwood way…
@Grasshopper: Well I suppose ok if your son hadn’t played prop for u14a, u15a and u16a suddenly to be dethroned by an import for his last two years and also very ok if the culture was “win at almost any cost”.
@McCulleys Workshop: if you talking about Potgieter then yes I believe he is the only under19 in the 1st/2nd squad. Not sure when Harmsworth and Teichmann arrived. Tredoux arrived start of grade 11 so for me perfectly ok.
@McCulleys Workshop: private school, no brainier. IAB exam is far better. BUT for rugby exposure and playing against the best in the country, Glenwood for sure. Also, if the kid is Afrikaans then Glenwood or Westville.
@Grasshopper: It is mainly skulduggery when players arrive at Glenwood mid term grade 10/11 or the start of grade 12, because they have either been head hunted from a school who has nurtured them and paid for their development (mmm Sharks Academy pink ticket) or they are over age BUT get to play seconds because nobody notices that they are over age in seconds and sneak in the odd game for firsts, (mmmm sharks academy pink ticket).
@Grasshopper: Lets just get this correct, if normal minded parents had a multi-talented son, on being transferred to KZN, would you first approach Glenwood for a scholarship if you thought you could land one at Hilton, MHS or Kearsney?
@HORSEFLY NO.1: that would be a shame especially if they are grade 11, lower grades fine. Any news on Webster? Poor Le Roux Van Zyl must have been mocked etc after this years debacle….
Interesting this, especially ssince I’ve heard that Glenwood has 4 new players all the way up from Pretoria, maybe someone closer can confirm?
@Grasshopper</a why would it be a scandal if he or any other boy in a similar situation chose to go to Glenwood?
I very much doubt that BP (or any other boys from Paul Roos for that matter) would easily be tempted away from a school like Paul Roos which has a proud history that extends way beyond just having a few good rugby teams.
@Far Meadows: nope not saying that but why if that happens at Glenwood it’s scandal of the month, but any other school it’s all ok. Hilton poaching 2 of our best players in the past 5 years is not on, maybe we should boycott fixtures against them if that happens again….just saying.
@Grasshopper: I’m not sure of how ‘ BP ‘ has ended up at MHS but I am pretty damn sure that no matter wherever he chose to go he would have received a bursary. I don’t think that any fingers can be pointed at MHS in terms of any skullduggery or ‘poaching’.
@Grasshopper: Hopper, you have to admit that it’s a different story if a scout acting on behalf of a KZN school directly approaches parents and makes an offer.
I know that B.P. is extremely happy at MHS but I’m willing to bet that no matter how much money was thrown at him, he would not have left Paul Roos if circumstances were different and his parents did not have to leave the W/Cape.
I’m sure he has a bursary but you’ll probably find that it is on par with what he received at PRG.
The spiral towards out of controlness suggests there will be quite a few new faces appearing in KZN over the next few months. I guess it’s not unique to KZN, I have even heard that Grey College are considering doing more active scouting and as we have read on this blog a few months back there was already the case of the Queens player that ended up in Pretoria being linked with a move to GCB (as well as KZN).
Just always interesting to get feedback on where the Sharks Academy fits into the recruitment pitch and from there to work backwards to find out who makes using the S.A. as part of the offer possible and then to know if this bait is available to all KZN schools trying to attract players from outside the province or just one or two favoured schools.
@beet: yes, but from a gov school to the 2nd most expensive school in the country? Hmmm, sounds like a very nice discount or bursary given. Good on him but then the pot mustn’t call the kettle black.
@McCulleys Workshop: @Grasshopper: You guys probably know this already but just for the record B.P. was not scouted or recruited by MHS. He fell into their laps. He was very happy at Paul Roos but his parents relocated to KZN. He was captain of the now u16 PRG team that are rated so highly nationally and from what I have learnt he is a multi-talented sportsman with golf and martial arts amongst the sports he stands out in. Had the age-banding rules not changed this year, he would almost certainly have played 1sts for MHS this year. A player for all to keep an eye out for in 2014-15.
@BOG: damn, will need to scout the winelands for an under 16 lock then…;-)
@Grasshopper: If he was previously disadvantaged, then he is too old to play school rugby
@Grasshopper: @McCulleys Workshop: I was talking about school boys, not boys who wanted a years extension on school rugby – aka post matrics. GCB, other than the FS rugby academy, did not have post matrics
@Grasshopper: Douglas Bader
@McCulleys Workshop: yes heard of your under 16 flyhalf, very English surname….NOT! What is his name again? Oh well, will need to send the scouts up to Pretoria to get a couple of locks. Saw a very good previously disadvantaged Wynberg lock today at gym, might speak with him. I think Teichmann at Glenwood is from Fish Hoek, how he ended up at Glenwood who knows…
@Grasshopper: We have a Flyhalf who may give Tedder a skrik next year, not sure how he ended up with us, but no locks, other than Curley.
@BOG: we used to lure 3/4 GCB players a year, every year, they were tired of GCB, mainly because they were in matric and you didn’t provide them with a much needed finishing school…
@BOG: haha, no but a week trip to Cape Town could be for rugby, history and geography. We used to do it, long bus trip but worth it. Which boys moving? One or two from Glenwood who can’t say no to cheap private education. Quite a few Grey Bloem boys played post matric at Michaelhouse in the 90’s…
@Grasshopper: Looking at your suggestions as opponents, nogal in CT, it would seem that you are more interested in tourism than rugby. Are you going to charter a 747 ? Mc Culleys asks an interesting question here. Why are the boys moving? We were talking about the “gees” yesterday. If that was really ok, the boys would stay put. How many GCB boys are lured away ? If you find one, let me know.
@McCulleys Workshop: haha! Yeah, open season for all, especially Hilton. They are keen to keep the wood over MHS. The Glenwood under 16 captain and lock they bought last year is looking good. We going to need to beef up the lock dept, any going at MHS? ;-)
@Grasshopper: @HM: @Greenwood: Well the transfer window is open – it’s that time of the season again when the HC and Glenwood cheque books comes out, catch the u16 players before year end and regardless of age they get to play first team after having spent 2 years at the school. Things should hot up shortly, how does it go, HC nab a few Glenwood players, who in turn nab a few from Dale, MC, DHS players. Makes good commercial sense, why pay R200,000 a year (or R30,000 a year for Glenwood) for a player from grade 8, who may not convert to a great open player, when you can bag them for a two years worth of fees. Good business acumen that, must be the input of Mr Clark? Oops, a bit of a mess when MC has paid the scholarship to Develop the player for the previous 3 years but business is business.
@HM: yep, spot on. College stopped the fixture after losing by 60 or more a few years in a row. They resuming it next year, which to me is too early to resume. Feel sorry for the College boys, it’s lambs to slaughter. I would love to see a fixture vs Jeppe, KES, PBHS, Grey PE or a cape trip to play Wynberg, Rondebosch or SACS..
@Grasshopper: agreed pointless and expensive trip. The scores suggest that it’s not going to get better soon. Only men with huge eggo’s will ensure that this fixture continuous as common sense suggests they are out of our league. Please, cut our loses and move on. Caps off GB
@BOG: yeah, rate Strauss too. I think he was sorely missed in the playoff game. The Du Plessis brothers will be back to retire. Fran’s Steyn just needs to stop eating Durban curries, shave off the stupid fuzz on his face and get a haircut. Jeez he has got seriously lazy. Os could kick him up the ass.
@Grasshopper: Yes I agree that Frans Steyn should return to Bloem- urgently. And along with Andries Strauss, now that the Kings have been relegated. I really rate him- he is not a show pony but a real journeyman, often doing all the less noticeable hard work. What the heck- Id like to see the whole lot go back
@Wakker akker; Ek mag verkeerd wees, maar ek kan vaagweg onthou jul 0.16’s het teen Garsies verloor by die Paarl Gim-week. Help my reg as ek verkeerd is!
@bhkgpa: Dankie vir die inligting. Die enigste manier om werklik ‘n span na waarde te skat is maar om self te gaan kyk. Maar soos jy se, sulke vertonings moet jaarliks herhaal word.
Hopper – I’m here – been reading all the comments
I totally agree with you that maybe Glenwood should give playing the top 5 a break – let’s get back to being top in Kzn on a regular basis and think about the big 5 in years to come
The lightie has just arrived back from Bloem and he said on Friday before the games they were knackered – not an excuse but I was told that on the day
So that’s another season gone – lets look forward to the Atlantic 7’s at the school on Saturday – I think the Machine with its lighting fast back-line should give last years winners give MC a go
@BOG: good point that, overkill of talent. Draft system like in the USA needed soon. Fran Steyn needs to go back to Bloem, lose 10kg and get the skills coached back into him. Gosh he is playing kak, like a bashing cart horse. Yes, very good to see John-Roy surface at the Cheetahs. I feared his career was over and he got lost in the system. He was amazing at school, 130kg plus and scored the most forward tries in the schools history. He made SA under20 and Pumas….then went missing. Didn’t watch the game yesterday but hopefully he is fit and playing well. He would be a great back up to Coenie, better scrummager. Yes, about 3 Glenwood OB’s at Free State, good to see!
@Grasshopper: This may sound arrogant, but what would the Free State Cheetahs do with all the talent? They would be doing what the BBs are doing and that, I dont think is good for SA rugby- signing so many U19S. How often will they get game time and after a year they are discarded ? But eventually they seem to return to the factory for refurbishing, fixing the damage done elsewhere. The centres Francois Venter (BBs) and Piet Lindeque (Sharks) are good examples. Pieter Jordaan returned before too much damage was done. Wasnt the TH who played for the Cheetahs yesterday, a GW old boy? (Jenkins) Good move on his part to be under the tutelage of Os du Randt. He must just not knock the ball on again, 5 metres from an open try line. If they had lost, he would not have been popular. I see also that there are a few GW old boys in the FS U19s- in fact more than just the solitary OG.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: haha you there in recon mode. Agreed a top 10 by age group in KZN analysis would be great!
@BOG: you bilingual so that is cool. Not really, a strong Griquas and Free State is good for SA rugby. There are so many Grey Old Boys at the Sharks it’s not really a home grown team. I would prefer the Sharks to nurture locals than bring players in. Players like Fisher, Zeilanga and Kleinheins should be in the starting 15 for the Sharks. Imagine how strong Free State would be if all the old Greys stayed…
@wakker akker: Sorry nie Wildeklawer maar wel Kearsney
@bhkgpa: Ons sal maar sien.Daar wel paar ysters wat daar sal wees.Plus soos ek nou al genoem het ons onder sestien manne ook nou hierdie jaar vir Boishaai en Paarl Gym geklop.Sal maar sien.
@Djou: By Wildeklawer het ons met E.G Jansen redelik maklik afgereken 57 teenoor 34.Onder korreksie maar het E.G Jansen nie met Garsies afgereken nie.Wat is die punt om een van hulle met n b/c-span te speel.
@Grasshopper: Do you think that it is to the detriment of SA rugby to have all the power concentrated in the Central Region, both at Junior and now at senior level, it would seem?
@grasshopper
Haha I’m here boet. Actually been hoping that Beet did a KZN age group ranking like he did last year for U14,U15,U16, 2nd and 1st side. Last time that simplistic points system ranking turned out to be very close to perfect.
Ek verstaan van een van die EG ouers wat daar was dat hulle 7 veranderings gemaak het vir gister se wedstryd.
Goeie uitslag !
@AffieOuer: as kwaggas gister teen een van hulle gespeel het dan sou kwaggas se nr op die rankings afwaarts aangepas moes word die week. Kwaggas sou nie die mas teen hulle gister opgekom het nie
@Djou: ek was daar en op gister se vertonings behoort hulle gemaklik met die meeste kaapse skole klaar te speel. Definitief op gister se spel in boonste 4 in die kaap. Weet egter nie of hulle elke jaar die diepte sal wys soos kaapse groot skole nie
@wakker akker: groot probleme vir kwaggas oppad. Het nie spelers wat deurkom in die matrieks se plek nie. Volgende jaar gaan maar n gemiddelde jaar vir kwaggas wees
What happened to all the English bloggers? Hibernating in the ‘cold’. Horsefly, Star, Amelikte, Roger, Griffon, Gungets, Greenblooded, All Black and Westers. No disrespect to my fellow Afrikaans bloggers but trying to decipher your posts is getting tough, especially with all the slang. Come on English boys create some interesting debate, it’s getting boring. Beet maybe do a post on KZN sides 2014 or something..,
@AffieOuer: Goeie vraag! Dalk kan wakker akker help.
@wakker akker: gewonder waarom Kwaggas nie krag teen krag gister gespeel het nie? Beide Garsies en EG het groot tellings opgesit. Was nie daar nie maar die tellings suggereer dat beide die Tvl skole hulle opponente erg oor was. Ek is verras dat die Kwaggas nie geleentheid gebruik het om eerder met Garsies of EG kragte te meet nie. Gegewe die rankings, sou ek gedink het, die Kwaggas die geleentheid sou aangryp?
@Djou: Kan jy moontlik uithelp hierbo met die geskiedenis oor die name vd Cherries en Peaches? Jy was/ is mos redelik na aan vd ouens in “meer onlangse tye”
@Wakker Akker: Het jy al die wedstryde gister bygewoon? Hoe sal jy EG Jansen en Garsies “rate” in vergelyking met die Kaapse skole? En hoeveel voorheen benadeeldes vanuit die Kaapse vlaktes speel nou eintlik vir Garsies? Baie gepraat daaroor, maar ek wil graag weet. Dalk kan Rugbyman help.
@Deon: Om doodeerlik te wees, is die Cherries met ons vir meer as 50 jaar, maar ek is nie seker hoe dit ontstaan het nie. Maar meisies en Ficksburg, sover ek weet, het geen rol gespeel nie. Meisies speel altyd n rol in die lewe van n Grey seun, maar jy weet wat ek bedoel- nie in die 2e span se naam nie. Het julle al begin om berading te doen onder julle seuns? Elke 2e jaar, wanneer GCB besoek afle in Stellenbosch, word daar mos baie van hulle afgese, nadat daai meisieskool die besoekers vd VS gesien het. Daai meisies is selfs bereid om n jaar of twee te wag totdat die Grey boytjie op Maties arriveer. Wat die Peaches (3es) betref, is ek nog minder seker. Di n tradisie wat eers na my tyd ontstaan het- maw in die laaste 50 jaar.@wakker akker: Ek het dit nog nooit ontken nie. Moet net nie probeer voorgee dat dit n “pakslae” was nie. Moet ook nooit die afwesigheid van spelers as verskoning gebruik nie. Vra vir Deon hierbo- Grey het by geleentheid met 9-3 verloor sonder SES (6) van hulle SA skolespelers. Hulle opponente het selfs n T-shirt met die telling daarop gedruk om sout in die wonde te vryf en boonop het dit n onoorwonne rekordlopie tot n einde gebring, maar steeds is dit nie gebruik as verskoning nie. O ja, selfs die WP se geheime wapen, QI, was ingespan teen die manne vd Vlaktes en beide helftes moes GCB opdraande en teen die wind speel
@BOG: Bly jy erken nou n wen is n wen.Die geskiedenis se ons Kwaggas het in 2013 vir grey Bloem met nie een maar twee punte geklop .@AffieOuer:Stem saam Kwaggas maar baie gemiddeld .Soos beet se ons net sewe van begin span ingestoot.Spelers ook buite hulle posisies gespeel .Ag het VIER GESPEEL 15 HET 12 GESPEEL ENS.Sal reg wees vir Marlow en Paarl Gym.
@BOG: Ek soek al jare na ‘n GreyBloem Oudskolier wat intelligenterig klink, en jy is dus die eerste wenner van een van die oudste raaisels in SBR. Hoekom noem julle jul B span die Cherries? Sommige ander skole se C spanne is Cherries. Het die woord cherry te doen met die skoner geslag? Het die 26-letter alfabet eers betreklik onlangs op die Vlakte duskant die Gariep ge-arriveer, of is julle so gevorderd dat julle op die binêre nummeringstelsel werk? Miskien is almal in GCB tweede span tradisioneel vanaf Ficksburg in die Vrystaat, die sg “Cherry Capital” van SA? Wel, ek sal vanaand weer wonder hieroor. Dis Kalfiefees op Hermanus, die weer is mooi, die walvisse baljaar oral teen die rotse, en Vroulief wil gaan perdry in die Hemel-en-Aarde Vallei. So, tot later.
@Tjoppa: Ek kan dit sterker stel, maar laat ek dit mooi doen – snert ! Met alle respek, speel hulle darem rugby op n hoe vlak vir n hele klompie jare- ek dink hulle het vir Grey gewen hier rondom 2005. En hulle was die kern vd SWD span wat die VS in die CW “finaal” gewen het- ook om en by daardie tyd. Maar ek sonder nie vir hulle uit met my kommentaar nie- daar is ander ook. Wat die Cheetahs betref- Een punt is n wen, maar gelykop is om jou suster te soen
@beet: Beet just on the matter of a quality tight five. The Lions almost won the game because of a superb effort in that last scrum. According to my humble opinion a penalty was in order against the tight head of Cheetahs for standing up, that is in the scrum illegally of course.
@BOG: ‘n Bliksem die oud word he Bog. Die nag is te lank. Maar om jou vraag te beantwoord die Kwaggas het maar nou eers werklik begin werk aan hul rugby. Ek verwys nie na die ouderdom van die skool nie.
Op ‘n ander punt wat gaan aan met jou Statertjies. Lekker gesukkel teen die Welpies.
@Ploegskaar: Die “P” in R.I.P staan vir “peace”. “Sukkel” is n relatiewe begrip en een se sukkel, is vir n ander geweldige sukses.@Tjoppa: Watter skool het nie al reeds veel meer as 5 jaar gehad nie? Waarskynlik nader aan 50.
@beet: The depth will come Beet just give the guys 5 years of competing at the top.
@Ploegskaar: Is dit nie pragtig hoe die blogs Afrikaans vernuwe nie. Ou Proppie se lekker man lekker tot oor die TV gehoor al. Sien die blogs doen tog iets positief.
Ploegie watter toffieneus skole praat jy nou van. Miskien eerder verwys na die toffieneus ouers ek dink dit is eerder hulle wat met die chip op die skouer rondloop.
I counted 8 missing Outeniqua first choice players for today’s game vs Noord-Kaap.
9. Malan
10. Eksteen
11. vd Merwe
12. Gelant
And also
1.Grundlingh
4. Storm
6. v Schalkwyk
13. Schoeman
So not bad going by the Kwaggas. Not the best quality rugby by either side though and NK perhaps unlucky to lose by 16 when it felt like a much closer game.
Ek merk hier is tans ongekende hoe vlakke van selfvoldaanheid te bespeur by ondersteuners van 2 van die tradisionele toffieneus skole in die Republiek. Een het reeds ‘n seisoen of 2 terug uit die bus gemoer, 55 spanne en al, die ander hang by die noodruit uit na 2 gemiddelde jare, jou beurt kom no.3, ek vryf my hande! Die val van die windgatte, hoenderborsies, besems in die hol en al. Lekker man, lekker.
@BuffelsCM: wat n teleurstellende game! Noord Kaap het gereeld voor gedomineer. Wonder nogal waarom die Kwaggas nie gekies het om EG of Garsfontein te speel nie? Nie dat Noord Kaap slegte kompetisie was nie
@Djou: no we did not play them but i saw todays game as well against EG Jansen and they were nowhere. EG dominated them from about the 10th minute. Marlow did play well the first 10 minutes
@Bhkgpa: I saw that game. The points margin was not that big. Only the runaway try from the Oakdale prop that really separated the teams. I can’t recall, but have you played Marlow this season, or are you scheduled to play them?
@Djou: marlow not that tough, they had a big loss against OAkdale 2 weeks ago as well. This was a no contest game.
O, something else, Cheetahs 30 Lions 29. I am just short of a heart attack. Waar is die suurstof Tjoppa?
Kwaggadag: For thos interested, other results after the Quteniqua/Noord-Kaap game.
EG Jansen 36 Marlow 0
Garsfontein 71 Tygerberg 3
Will be a tough Beeld trophy final should it be EG Jansen vs Waterkloof. Marlow not an easy opponent but Jansies ran away with it.
@BuffelsCM: Ek verneem so, galbitter maak so.
@Tjoppa: Roep hom soos ek hom sien, nog altyd. Vyande? Hy kan ‘n nommer vat, kan in elk geval nie meer stront blaas as wat hy reeds doen nie.
@BOG: yes, win the B league first before throwing yourselves in the deep end, excuse the pun. Glenwood need to continuously whack local KZN sides before looking to play Grey Bloem. That is not going to happen soon, so stop the slaughter!
@Ploegskaar: Hallo Ploeg! Jy het seker gehoor dat hy al van laerskool af sy mes om een of ander rede in het vir alles met Bellville (en sy voederskole) te doen!
@AffieOuer: was nie veel van n wedstryd nie
@Tjoppa: Tjoppa, as jy daardie skeidsregter al in aksie gesien het, sal jy besef hoekom Ploegie daardie kommentaar lewer. Ek het hom al voorheen gesien blaas (hy het my span darem nie die wedstryd gekos nie) en hy is regtig swak. Ek het ook met 1 van die ouers gepraat – ek weet ‘n ouer is nie altyd objektief nie – maar die spelers en toeskouers was later raadop!
Almal maak foute maar om konstant verkeerde beslissings te maak is mos eenvoudig onaanvaarbaar!
@Bull23: 100% reg Affies sou met Kwaggas mors want sonder die sterre was hulle nie goed nie. Kwaggas gaan definitief volgende jaar sukkel met spelers wat moet deurkom. Indien hulle nie vinnig regkom nie dan gaan Gim ook nog mors met hulle in Burger finaal as beide spanne die finaal haal. Geen 2de linie verdediging nie, hantering uiters swak en hulle speel net uit gebroke spel uit. Ek sien groot pakslae vir kwaggas in die toekoms
Ek glo vandag kon ons sien dat Affies teen die Kwaggas sonder sy sa spelers nie die groot wedstryd sou wees wat ons gehoop hettoe die bepakings bekend gemaak was. Kwaggas 6,4 en 9 enigste spekers wat beindruk het.
@Ploegskaar: So maak ‘n mens vyande. Ploegie?
Bellville u16a 21 Marlow u16a 16
Mr van Heerden, een van die afrigters van Tygerberg HS wat die wedstryd geblaas het, hoop jy slaap rustig vanaand, jou bitter, afgunstige verskoning vir ‘n skole rugby liefhebber. Ek sou skaam wees om my skool met jou te assosieer, sies man. Hoop Garsfontein moer julle, en volgende jaar ondersteun ek almal vs Tygerberg HS.
Het Noord Kaap verras of is die Kwaggas steeds afdraende na die opwindende begin. Jammer hul SA Spelers was nie teenwoordig nie. Dink enie negatiewe kommentaar sal onregverdig wees as ons die span se prestasies deur die jaar wil evalueer op slegs een wedstryd.
@Grasshopper: As I said, Im not going to try and convince you- but I have spoken to many, some who were there and elsewhere. And strange that you should mention water polo. Having watched a bit on TV recently, SA is so far behind the other teams, especially the ones from Eastern Europe, we looked like ducks splashing in a pool. With your approach, would you suggest that SA withdraws from these tournaments, confine themselves to competitions with Zim and Namibia or acquire skills to compete with those teams?
@BOG: ok then, so older schools don’t have that same ‘gees’ as Grey Bloem? Schools in the UK over 600 years old have that gees. Not too sure how you can compare different schools gees and say Grey has something extra when you have never attended another school. I do admit there is something special there in rugby but Grey are not invincible in other sports eg waterpolo, cricket, hockey etc etc. I know a few people who have taught at Grey and other traditional schools and they say there is not much of a difference. Anyway, enough said on that. Yes, there have been some big scores in Durban too but I think we are improving every year down the line. However, it’s still a mismatch. No disrespect to Affies and Grey Bloem, but Glenwood should drop those fixtures and find a more evenly matched school. We just not in that League of 5 schools…
@McCulleys Workshop: Playing
@beet: Should there not be a standardized national policy on age? Seems strange that 1. certain provinces are more lenient (or less) with the inclusion of u19 players than others. 2. An u19 players leaves his Gauteng school (where he may be excluded from plating) to play in another province, only to be prevented by a headmasters agreement from playing for that school, but then ends up in that schools 2nds??!
Nou net voor die tv ingeskuif, geniet dit Kwaggas vs Noord Kaap! Sterkte aan die manne
@Grasshopper: History, that which is so despised here at times, tells a different story. There have been some pretty high scores in Durban as well, but I dont think that the impact of travel, can be denied. I just dont think that it has as great an impact as you think. Keep in mind that Bloem is in the central part of the country and closer to Durban than Pretoria/Jhb. If you think of the EC/EL (Selborne), you have the nightmare of the Transkei to deal with. But that problem is going to become greater elsewhere too. I know that all schools have gees and for me to try and convince you (or anyone else) that there is just something else at Grey, will be almost impossible. So, lets leave it there
@BOG: Agreed, even without Kramer and Viljoen you smashed us. But if that game was played at Kearsney the difference would probably have been around 30. We lost to Gim 40-12 there. Bloem is our bogey field, closest match there being about a 20 point difference in 2011. Grey might have a special feeling or gees at the school but that is not only there, most of the big traditional schools have this hence having passionate old boys like us. The difference is purely on quality of intake and size of boarding establishments. Having such a large number of boarders creates a sporting culture with the majority of the school, whilst at Glenwood only a fifth are boarders and they prop up our teams. Day dogs in Durban are lazy…
@Grasshopper: But one must acknowledge that the Cherries, this year, is exceptionally strong and it may not be so next year. Many OGs are actually calling for a match between the 1sts and the Cherries. But I dont see that happening. I think it was QC 86 who said that he had spoken to a teacher when GCB played Selborne in EL and the difference in the two sides, lies in the forwards- and not that the Cherries are bad.
@Tjoppa: You wish. Once you have been there, its almost impossible to entice a boy away- no matter what bait or lure is used. And once you finish there, with every year that passes, you become even more attached. Perhaps something to do with appreciation becoming more important with the passage of time. I dont want to misquote, but I read somewhere that Johan Goosens dad asked him what it was like at the school , after he had been there for a while,and he said something to this affect: I cannot explain. Its something that you cannot understand unless you were there.
@BOG: yes, but PBHS are nowhere near as good as Grey Bloem down the line, matches against PBHS would at least be competitive. I mean Paarl Boys 2nds losing by 80 is ridiculous! What school can match Grey Bloem down the line, maybe Affies or Paul Roos? It’s becoming a farce when decent sides still lose by 50. Our 2nds are probably in the top 10 2nd teams in the country but lose by 50 to the Cherries. Might as well rename Grey Bloem the Springbokkie Rugby Academy…
@beet: Beet I do not think the problem is that big in the Noordvaal. There is a week catering for the u/19 boys but it is also a fact that 80% of the boys picked is u/18 or even u/17. I stand corrected but WP from Affies attended this week last year as a u/17 boy. So I would say the problem is not that big.
@BOG: I think you answered yourself once there hard to leave BUT the temptation to go might be lessening. Which will be good for SBR.
@Tjoppa: I know you’re joking but my question is a genuine one. I’m just curious to know. None of the systems were introduced to punish kids yet we have situations in which parents are prepared to send their u19 boys 600km away to a region where they can play.
A good thing about Noordvaal though is that they do have a proper school week in July for which boys who are u19 can be selected along with those that missed out on CW and AW selection. It’s a great initiative and I wish KZN could send a team there as well.
I am pleased that I was able to blow some life into you lot so early on a wintery Saturday- even the Old age home in Tshwane.@Tjoppa: You still dont understand the culture at GCB. Its not just the rugby that keeps the boys there. I have no mandate to speak on their behalf, but I would be very surprised if you found even one boy who is playing for the Cherries (2nds), Peaches(3rds) or even 4ths, who would play for any other school, given the opportunity, inside Bloem or beyond its, or even the provincial borders. You may persuade them BEFORE they get to Grey, but once they are there, almost no chance.How many Grey boys are poached? That is the “something” about the school no one who can explain, unless you were there.@Grasshopper: I think that your excuses are becoming a little “lean” You use altitude as an excuse but in the same sentence, advocate annual matches with PBHS. They are at higher altitude and their fields are similar to that of GCB@beet: Thank you for responding to GHSdad. I would have been very tempted to respond less politely. And although Grey do not have U19s, according to the rules of SBR, U19s are permitted to play for the school- just not go to CW. Am I right?@McCulleys Workshop: You right- they have a good “working relationship” with Home Affairs for birth certificates, and the one hostel is for married learners
@Tjoppa: Just joking Beet. I think this ruling was in reaction to the post matrics and maybe should be up for a rethink.
@beet: None they go to Glenwood.
@Tjoppa: I wonder how many Noordvaal u19 1st XV players are sidelined on average every year during Cup tournaments (Beeld and NuPower) as a result of these only being u18 compos?
@Tjoppa: nooit ges^e ons speel nie om te wen nie, ONS DOEN!!!!! Maar rankings oorheers beslis nie ons oorweging of oortuiging nie!
@GHSdad: Just joking above sir. Welcome. You are not stupid but some of the boys are. It is common practise and accepted to allow u/19 players to still partcipate in SBR. This you will find in certain areas in the country which is known for the lesser academically inclined population.
In Gauteng the boys participating in the Beeld trophy is however limited to u/18 players. This rule is also applied at the CW.
But regions like Western Cape, mind you the whole Cape regions is known for playing u/19 players. Glenwood was also one of the school exploiting this rule. A year ago an over aged Gauteng boy moved to Glenwood to be able to play rugby. But history has shown that Glenwood is willing to push the envelope even further playing boys up to 21.
Regards
@GHSdad: I think its just the term used. In KZN we talk of open teams and in places like Bloem and the W/Cape they refer to the teams as u19.
There are no u19 players in the usual Grey College 1st XV – all the boys are 18 and younger.
However the rules state that an u19 boy can play first team anywhere in SA as long as he is a proper student (iow not a post matric). There is also no restriction on the number of proper u19 students that a school team can field. If circumstances lead to that situation, they could have 15 u19 players and still fall within the rules.
In KZN the rules are slightly different because we use to be the kings of Post Matric dominated rugby at one stage. Now have the HMA supposedly to help stop this u19 situation from ever reoccurring.
@GHSdad: The Grey U19 side is actually the Cheetahs academy U19 side, but they filter them back into the schoolboy system to keep Bog happy. I would complain.
@GHSdad: The Afrikaners cheating again. Barbarians.
Maybe I am being stupid, but can someone please explain to me why the Grey College 1st team is called the Grey u19A team? Does this mean that their 1st team is a bunch of u19 players and perhaps their Cherries then the u 18A? No other school is allowed to have u19 boys in their 1st team…..
@Tjoppa:
@AffieOuer: Nou een van my eie ouers berispe. As Affies nie gespeel het om te wen en rankings nie belangrik was nie sou hul beslis nie no1 in die land wees nie. Jy maak jou eie wind antie.
@McCulleys Workshop: True but the rugby aspiring kid will start to look at other schools as Grey is not the undisputed champion year in and year out. And this will be to the advantage of the SBR in general.
George Cambell is a technical high school? Will the upstanding parents of Glenwood allow them. Maybe the parents must be upgraded and then you will find more barbarians attending the school.
@Deon: ek wil graag reageer op jou interessante perspektief v Affies…ons speel rugby omdat dit LEKKER is en daar LIEFDE vir die game is. Rankings is interessant maar ek kan jou verseker in Affies is dit NIE die fokus nie. Rugby as n sport is vir ons belangrik…’n no 1 of 2 of 3 ranking bevestig maar net ons leef ons passie uit met talentvolle seuns! DUS glo my vry, Affie rugbyliefhebber sou ook graag more langs die veld wou vasgenael sit en n game tussen Affies en Outeniqa kyk, maar dit is nie beskore nie. Dis beslis nie omdat ons nie wil speel of n ranking posisie wil beskerm nie, dis doodgewoon n besluit wat in goeie oorleg gepleeg is en wat ons as Affie ouers ondersteun. Tog jammer dat soveel ouens nie net dit bona fide wil aanvaar nie….maar nou ja, die spreekwoord lui: “Hoe bome vang die meeste wind”
@Grasshopper: Take in on the chin, a big loss and an average season by their own standards.
@Tjoppa: Very valid points Tjop, but the other side of that is, would boys come from all over the country to attend one of the other local schools? GB attract boys from all around SA because of their pedigree. I have no doubt though that OFS school rugby would be even better in your example and it makes sense that that is what is happening at Affies. In KZN I think George Cambell should send some of there 2nds players to Glenwood and MHS.
Grey vs
Jim Fouche won 62-10
HTS Louis Botha 43-0
Sentraal 55-5
Hentie Cilliers 50-24
Duineveld 52-13
Glenwood certainly did not play to their potential losing 68-7, they would normally beat most of the sides above anywhere else. Grey PE lost 50-21 but lost to College who Glenwood beat twice. Glenwood beat Selborne by a bigger margin than Grey Bloem but similar to Grey PE. Weird results. Glenwood are probably just bad travelers or the game being the last of the season against the best in SA is a step too far. Maybe the game should be moved to the middle or beginning of the season or dropped for a better matched school…
@BOG: Boggie this is no attack on Grey at all. It is a pity that Grey is so isolated. My reasoning in Pretoria and most other regions in the country, you have 5 or 6 big schools. These schools realised the value of performing in academics AND SPORT. I hate saying this but if we take Garsfontein, Menlo, Centurion and Eldo in Pretoria who is actively working on their achievement on the rugby field, more and more children see them as an alternative for Affies. This would not harm Affies but the boys, who would normally play for Affies 2nds and 3rds play for the other school’s 1st team. Where 5 years ago we would say a boy playing 3rds for Affies would walk into any other schools 1st team it is no longer true.
Therefore maybe I was wrong saying the other schools are catching up to Grey but as the more players are given exposure on first team level, who would have been hidden in Affies 2nds or 3rds, the more competitive the SBR is becoming. So Imagine the Cherries been spread to the other schools in Bloem. Then maybe Bloem could have two top 20 schools.
@BOG: agree to a point when looking at the Grey Bloem results against other Bloem and FS teams, but remember those teams are used to the environment too. I think not enough is made of the trip to Bloem from the coast. Ask the Grey PE and Glenwood boys, very very tough especially after long bus trips and no acclimatization to the altitude, dry air, cold and dry fields. Affies going to Bloem are less affected. It’s far easier to come to the coast from the inlands. We have seen a 40 point swing in results when comparing playing in Bloem to Glenwood. Bloem should be called the boneyard!!!
Grey Bloem would be a power house in any region in SA.
@beet: Sorry Beet, I have to disagree with you. Collectively, the , say top 5 just in Bloemfontein, would be stronger than the top 5 in KZN, EP, Border, SWD, Boland,and possibly the Lions. The BBs and WP, MAY be a little stronger. And the “rankings” supports this view. And this is when I exclude Kimberley/N Cape and the Griffons. If the whole “central region”, which is the Cheetahs, is included, it becomes even closer. What I am saying, is this: If GCB was “supernaturally” re-located to any one of the regions in the first group, they would be as dominant there as what they are in Bloemfontein- and not far off in the latter two.
@Djou: Some of your ideas have merit. Certainly I can recall the St Andrews team of 2010, who were outstanding but became victims of not playing the powerhouses based on the notion that to be the best you have to play the best. In the absence of being able to do this, the calibre of the teams a top performing school does beat and the margins by which they win should count for something.
Also most schools fluctuate from year to year. For example EG Jansen and Nelspruit are top teams this year. Beating them should count for more this year than it did last year. Alternatively beating Centurion this season should count for less than it did in 2012.
I however disagree with the idea of schools ranking other schools in their region. I feel that the results must determine the categories for each year in isolation. In other words the category points should be moving targets and only finalised when the season is completed. So if Kearsney narrowly beats Glenwood in March, that result must be constantly re-evaluated as part of the big picture as the season goes on. So for example in March KC might have got 4 points for that win plus any bonuses for points difference but by mid August, that same result might only be worth 3 points + BP because Glenwood has not performed as well over the rest of the season as a whole.
If you go back to one of my first emails to you, I’m sure I tried to share this relativity concept or whatever the statistical name for it is with you.
Another one of the factors that gets overlooked is home field advantage. Today I witnessed Grey High achieve a comfortable home win against Selborne but I’m sure if the match was played in East London the scores would have been far closer. In many traditional fixtures, home ground plays a major part.
@McCulleys Workshop: I think when looking at the Free State region (not Griffons) we have to accept that yes Grey 2nds are strong and could beat all other 2nd teams and a good few 1st teams but if it came down to say Top 5 schools 1st XVs from 1 region vs Top 5 1st XVs from any other major region, Free State would possibly be closer to the bottom than the top in this best of 5 match-up. Their strength is concentrated in one school. In other regions it is spread out. Grey College remains a rugby factory for SA and has an unmatchable record when it comes to producing top quality players but perhaps when one looks at the number of Springboks or provincial representatives from a school region rather than a particular school, there is a leveling out in the numbers.
The Cherries were 58-7 ahead after 25mins against Sand Du Plessis 1st’s, matched called off early. They beat Paarl Boys 2nd team 84-12, Selbourne 2nds 82-7, Hoerskool Zastron 1st 48-3, Hoerskool Hugenote 1st 86-5, HTS Witbank 1st 55-12, Landboudal 1st 25-16….etc etc
@McCulleys Workshop: nope, because they have smashed every schools 2nds and a few 1sts. They klapped Affies 2nds 40 odd and Grey PE 2nds 100 odd, not sure on other results. Glenwood 2nds are unbeaten in KZN, best Affies 2nds etc but still lost by 50! If they are not equivalent to a top 10 1st team not sure what is…
@Grasshopper: why are they top 10, because they beat GW’s 2nds?
Ja Mnr Grasshopper as dit nie die afstand is wat julle moet ry, en die gevegte wat uitbreek nie is daar seker ma altyd n verskoning as mens so ver verloor.
@Deon: Volgens die skinderstories hier in die ouetehuis is die ontrekking vanwee die borg van Kwaggas waarvan ‘n deel na Affies sou gegaan het. Dus Affies sou beslis gegaan het as Kwaggas se borg nie onttrek het nie.
Wat die no1 posisie betref sal niemand altyd saamstem nie. Dus die jaar is Affies no1. Aanvaar dit asb. en hou op moan. Donner julle is erger as ou Annabelle in 7.
@Djou. Jy kan nie die skole van ‘n provinsie vra om hul eie provinsie se skole te rate nie. Die subjektiwiteitfaktor is te groot. Mens kan ‘n skool (hoekom sê jy maar nie net Affies nie) komplimenteer omdat hy rugby afstel omdat hy akademiese verpligtinge het, dis alles baie mooi en soet en fraai en pragtig maar ons kan nie vir die doeleindes van rankings Affies in versiersuiker toedraai oor hulle pedagogiese benadering nie. Kon Affies nie maar net hulle Eerstes afgevlieg het nie? dan kon hulle sommer lugdrukvoordeel hê Saterdagaand verder swot. Onthou net hoe Gim benadeel is deur Affies se no-show. Kontempleer net die effek vir Gim. Skole moet reeds in die begin van die jaar hul administrasie en begroting beplan, en as hulle ‘n wedstryd moet “skip”, dan sal die ander opponerende skool ‘n “bye” tipe punt kry. Affies sou nie verhoed gewees het om nommer 1 te wees nie, maar Gim sou nie benadeel gewees het nie. Affies 2013 as nr 1 sal altyd betwyfel word, enige iemand sal kan sê, Affies was nr 1 gerank. ja maar…
Heard SA Schools beat England 19 – 14
@Djou: agree with your methodology as currently teams playing more games get penalized. The Cherries are top 10 for sure…
@Bog: You are 100% correct. The main issue is the categorisation which needs an urgent overhaul. This is to ensure fairness – as some teams are forced to play against “currently categorised weaker teams” due to among others the league they play in. For instance, a school in the Cape has a much better chance of scoring more points on the ranking table – as they constantly play teams in their vicinity, and such teams are very high on the categorisation list. Other teams in other regions are not so lucky and have to travel vast distances to play highly ranked teams and the cost of travelling makes this difficult. You therefore need regional categories. This can be obtained by requesting the schools to rank the other schools in their region, but they may not rank themselves. From here, a national categorisation can be compiled and you will find more highly and top categorised teams than the current 10 teams. However, this can only happen after about five or six matches played by each team.
(The current rule of looking at the ranking over the past 3 years escalates and aggravates the problem as the Cape schools will, as a result of the above mentioned, almost always feature in the top 10 and therefore almost always have a better chance of earning more points than other teams).
Second, you should still be able to be number 1 even if you had lost more games than other teams (albeit closely). For instance, you can become Super 15 or Currie Cup champ even if you end fourth on the log. This is where the equity principle comes in and the formula should account for this.
Third, the current principle of penalising teams for not playing on a certain weekend is absurd. This is why e.g. they awarded 4 points to super rugby teams when they had a bye. Moreover, some teams play fewer games due to among others academic commitments. These schools should be commended for their stance, not penalised.
The bonus point system is to be welcomed as it also ensures a different form of equity. However, on school boy level, with more space to score tries, losers should be able to earn points with a points difference of less than 10 points (Converted try and penalty or two unconverted tries) and not 7 points (converted try). You should also be able to earn more losing bonus points it the loss is less than 3 points. So if you lose by three or less points, you earn more bonus points than a team losing by e.g. 8 points. In addition, teams winning by 21 points (3 converted tries) or more should earn bonus points, as such a margin demonstrates dominance. Internationally, if you outscore the other team by 3 goals (hockey, soccer, etc) it is considered a comprehensive victory. The current rule of 30 points is thumb suck and three more scores is more acceptable. So, earn winning bonus points by beating the other team by 21 points and another if the margin is 42 points etc.
Hope this helps!
On the Cherries, yes you have to look at the team in comparison to the first team and not only at the results. But Glenwood had a very strong 2nd team – which also could have beaten a number of other first teams. Just shows how strong the Cherries is.
@Djou: A few comments here suggested that they should consider using “points differentials” with common opponents to determine which of Affies or Paarl Gym were nr 1. With your analytical back ground, you could correct me by all means, but by using that method, one could well find a “number 1” which is neither of the two. Now, would that not be interesting? Which just confirms the point that stats could be manipulated to reach almost any conclusion.@beet: I am thumb sucking, but strangely enough, there seems no correlation between the strength of the first team and the Cherries. Take 2007, GCB had one of the best school sides ever, yet, if my failing memory serves me correctly, the Cherries, that year, was average. And look at this year. This may sound arrogant or sarcastic, but given the Cherries record this year, GW did not do to badly against them today.
The Cherries would certainly beat all the KZN 1st teams including Kearsney, wow! I actually think they might even beat their 1st team. The Glenwood 2nd team is a very good one and get that sort of score against them is crazy! I did hear Grey PE 2nds got 100 against them. Surely games should be stopped once the gap is 50?
A step too far for the poor Glenwood Boys, 10hr bus up to Bloem in freezing conditions, early games at 7.30 played in like 2 degrees. These Durban boys can’t cope in those temps. I think last week at home against College was the last game of the season in many of the boys minds. No excuses though, Grey Bloem pulverized most of our sides. Time to end this farce and get a fairer more balanced fixture like Grey PE or one of the Gauteng sides. We only slightly competitive against Grey Bloem in Durban but then get slaughtered every 2nd year up there. Yes friendships are formed and it’s a great experience but nothing learnt on the rugga field standing behind the posts all game. Now this is from a school that only lost 4 games against College. College good luck resuming this fixture, especially in Bloem. Such a farce no chance, especially at altitude….
@Beet: It was actually meant as a joke, but now that you mention it, consideration may be given to rank them as they also play first teams. But I think, when compared to all the Grey first teams over the years, this years’ Cherries would run the first team very close. And also don’t throw away the Peaches, (Grey 3rd team) who also had a good year.
France 8 Wales 47 today. Eina!
@Djou: None of the rankings have the Cherries but a very special team. I wonder if they are the best Cherries team in the history of Grey College?
Very good day for Grey Bloem on the rugby fields. Won 25 matches and only lost 1 or 2? Few scores in the excess of 100-0!!
u/14 A won 33-7
u/15 A won relatively far
u/16 A won by 40 odd points
Well done Oakdale. Only the 3 points for Frameby’s first team and 7 points for their under 14 to be conceded on the day.
Ek het mos gese die Cherries is nommer 1 in SA, gevolg deur Affies en Paarl Gim. Maar Boishaaipa “rank” nie eens die Cherries nie.
GCB 1sts 68 – Glenwood 7
Cherries 59 – GW Seconds 9
Any other scores, especially the under age groups?
Oakdale 28 Framesby 3
Oakdale Seccies 64 Framwsby 0
Any Grey PE vs Selborne scores
Oakdale o16 36 Framesby 0
@bhkgpa: Dis moeilik om daai een te beantwoord vir jou.Het nie self daai wedstryd gekyk nie,Brandwag het weg gespeel en dit was reunie by DP. Het voeltjies hoor vluit van alby kante dat die man met die vluitjie die een span baie begunstig maar,dis wat ek gehoor het. Ja Daniel Pienaar en Brandwag het vir n hele tyd nie gespeel nie. Hulle het vir die eerste keer weer in 2002 by die Grey Fees teen mekaar gespeel wat DP toe 6-3 gewen het. Van daar af het DP 6 en Brandwag 6 wedstryde gewen.
@bhkgpa: Yip..
@BoishaaiPa: was jy in Brandwag so vroeg 80’s?
@Tierkopkraal: hoe goed kan Brandwag dan wees? Nico malan het vir hulle n helse pak laas naweek gegee of is Nico malan so uitstekende span?
@Tierkopkraal: Bly om te hoor dit was in goeie gees…het die game so paar jare al gekyk en gewoonlik was daar maar altyd een of ander onderonsie..veral daar in 98/99 rond to Plaatjies kaptein van BW was!…
@Mike: Thanks Mike. Will add this
@Queenian: Hahahahaha! I can imagine hey.Didn’t know QC play HP twice as well.Dale don’t have an Afrikaans fixture anymore (barring De Vos Malan which is essentially just pre-season).Framesby and Dan Pienaar had enough of being taken to the cleaners and scrapped the fixtures
Hey, if Marlow can’t do it, maybe even Hangklip would do.They are certainly more competitive than Port Rex or Stirling.Though one can argue that Stirling have improved over the years.
Nothing against Hudson, they are a lovely rival to have, and play their rugby as hard as the colleges do.But I can’t help but feel that the 2 derbies a year should remain just between QC,Selborne and Dale.It’s just how it’s always been.
@BoishaaiPa: Goeie game en gees gewees, Brandwag het n goeie span die jaar. Nou moet ons maar weer wag tot volgende jaar.
@Mike: Recon Grey should take this one.
@Playa: Yes Hudson now play Dale and Queens twice a year I see Queens might be playing Graeme next year again. Would also be good for Marlow to play Dale but I doubt some how that will happen there ability to honour fixtures is a bit suspect like with Queens this has been going on for 12 years now were they cancel the away fixtures at the last moment I mean 3 days before hand for some cock and bull story like they did this year but always expect Queens to honour there trips to Cradock they have done this 3 times in the last 12 years. Not good looks like those big farm boys don’t like getting there butts beaten by the Xhosa and English boys.
I was not aware that Dale play Hudson Park twice a year now.
We really need to look a little further for fixtures…add an Afrikaans school like Marlow and maybe return the Graeme College derby as well after 22 years of no derby contest.
@Tierkopkraal: Darem goeie nuus vir my!..
Grey high vs Selborne is televised on FRIDAY at 12:55 on supersport 1 and HD.
I just hope that GW dont stop over at Van Reenens for snow fights. May they have a safe and pleasant trip and an enjoyable day in the city of roses.
HTS Daniel Pienaar Lost 15-17 against Die Brandwag
Queen’s play Cambridge today and Klippies on Saturday