@Ystervark (Comment #99)
To be fair, EP were the villains in that matter, KC were just naive going into that deal.The kid was struggling academically and with injuries while at Dale.KC believed they had a magic wand when EP Rugby wanted to place him there so he could be close to PE for EP under 19 duties.So when the worst case scenario happened, KC didn’t know what to do with him. Yes, the boy (now man) was the biggest loser here, but I think it would be harsh to place the blame on Kingswood.
@Grizzly (Comment #121)
En daar trap jy in boerboel Eloff se strik – hy het gewag vir iemand om hom te begin glo.
Hy wil hê die fokus moet skuif na Garsfontein as oorsaak dat die seun nie matriek het nie.
Nietemin, Rugbyman het reeds alles gegee. Garsfontein kan nie vir Boishaai of enige skool sê hoe hulle moet skoolgee nie, net soos niemand vir Garsfontein kan sê hoe hulle moet skoolgee nie.
Dis die skool se besluit.
Punt is, die seun is einde graad 11 na Boishaai met ‘n WP-kontrak en skoolbeurs. Hy het baie goed gespeel in sy graad 12 jaar en het ‘n enorme rol gespeel in Boishaai se puik vertonings – as losskakel, want dis waar Boishaai ‘n tekort gehad het, hoewel hy heelagter en senter by Garsfontein was en ook SA skole A as heelagter gespeel het.
Nietemin, baie aandag is in sy graad 12 jaar aan rugby gegee, maar uiteraard nie genoeg aan akademie nie.
Dis die punt – gewerf vir rugby en akademie was bysaak.
Die vraag eat jy behoort te vra is waarom boerbpel Eloff se vrou hom gelos het sodat almal kan sien watter tipe mens hy is en waarom hy sy minderwaardiheidskompleks as gevolg daarvan probeer neutraliseer met leuens oor ander skole.
@Boishaaipa,as jy nog hier Lees. Kan jy uit vind en vir ons die feite gee oor Abner se verplasing. Het Garsfontein “gehelp” met die oorplasing of was hulle unwilling en harde gat om hom nie te wou gaan nie. Rugbyman het die feite gegee maar Ed’s Wil hom nie glo nie. As jy die feite kan gee maak nie saak wat dit is nie dan sal ek dankbaar wees. Dankie.
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Kom, waar is al daai Oos-Moot manne waaroor jy so lekker lieg.
Daar is ‘n spreekwoord wat lui: You can’t heal a toxic person – so jy gaan ongelukkig siek bly!
@boerboel (Comment #117)
Waarom het jou vrou jou gelos?
Dink meeste bloggers kan uit jou gedrag hier ‘n titseltjie sien, maar dis nie die hoofrede nie, né!
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Terloops, wat jy in die verlede gepost het is hopeloos verkeerd.
Garsies 100% matriek slaagsyfer.
Garsies hoogste persentasie matrieks wat kwalifiseer vir tersiêre studies in Gauteng.
Meer as wat jy kan sê!
En bewys jou huilmasjien-stelling verkeerd.
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Jy is mos die man wat gesê het Garsies het amper die hele Oos-Moot leeggekoop.
Net nog ‘n ou leuen.
Maar noem al daai manne van Oos-Moot grootmond.
Liegbek, groter as boerboel Etienne Eloff, wat onhebbelike dinge aangevang het en nou te bang is om te vertel.
Nes jy!
Jy is reeds bewys as onkredietwaardige blogger, so jy kan maar ophou post.
@Ystervark (Comment #110)
Since he was registered as an independent learner from the start, it didn’t matter where he wrote his finals (although he could’ve done at KC if he felt ready). But now you know the full story. If anything KC and his teachers deserve all the praise here! This is a perfect example you’ve brought up to illustrate the difference in offering between KC and (ironically) Dale, that goes far beyond sport alone.
@RuggaFreak (Comment #103)
That’s good to hear, I hear it was a full camp plus match. Our preseason camps and warmups have usually been with Grey these last few years, so it’s good that we expand our marketing ;)
The version i heard was that the Kings/EP wanted to contract him, but his parents pushed back and wanted him to focus on his academics (was not looking good at the time at Dale).
The Kings/EP then offered offered his parents to get him on track academically (and closer to PE) by sending him to KC. KC agreed to take him (there was big push back internally given where he was academically) but on condition that he be registered with IEB as an independent scholar.
After a year of school plus night classes plus weekend schooling he was able to write matric, pass and I believe got a university entrance (big credit to him and all the teachers that helped him!).
The part that ystervark did get correct is that he did get injured, ironically playing against Dale that year.
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
No one really cares what you stated in the past because your statements is without facts and baseless. You just a troll without an avatar. You posting here probably with 3 emails to yourself. Are you Boerboel or Etienne?
@boerboel (Comment #100)
I have stated it the past and state it again, Garsies recruit under the guise of offering academic opportunities, but the reality is often far from the noble promise of education. These recruitment drives are less about academics and more about feeding egos and securing victories at all costs, with Garsies prioritizing their rugby prestige over the long-term well-being of the players.
@boerboel (Comment #100)
Jy sal moet vertel – op die stadium het ek nog niks gesê nie uit respek want dalk lees jou kinders hier.
Maar kom ons kyk hoe braaf jy regtig is. As jy vertel, hats off to you, indien nie, dan maak jy soos alle lafaards – groot mond oor ander maar kan dit nie hanteer nie as dit terugkom na jou toe!
@Ystervark (Comment #99)
There are lots of other examples – and these schools must be called out as they are the real abusers.
And then you get guys like boerboel, trying to defend it with lie upon lie, and putting the blame on others in an attempt to lure you away from the topic and making others out to be scapegoats.
@Djou (Comment #93)
Agree completely. And even Kingswood have been guilty of this before. Brought in a kid from Dale for rugby in matric. Kid got injured during the season and the school had no interest in him after that. Didn’t even let him write his matric finals because they were scared of not getting their 100% pass rate
@Tang (Comment #55)
To me, every situation is different and should be treated as such.
It is easier to say what is blatantly wrong, though.
One example of blatantly wrong is the example discussed below. A boy from Garsfontein, who already played Cravenweek and SA Schools A, was recruited at the end of grade 11 by Boishaai. He, however failed matric. So, there was no mutual benefit.
Another example is a boy recruited by Noordheuwel from Welkom Gim. He also left Noordheuwel without a matric.
Many of these examples.
The benefit should be mutual, where the boy must leave the school with at least a matric and or work/study/rugby opportunities.
@Djou (Comment #90)
die van reenen storie- nee ek glo dit nie- maar net n suur gapswannabee storie om te regverdig as n mannetjie groener weivelde soek
@boerboel (Comment #87)
Kom nou Etienne, vertel! Dit is belangrik, want dit wys karakter, en karakter is NB om te weet wat die waarskynlikheid is om iemand te glo!
@boerboel (Comment #83)
Jy is ‘n meester om onderwerpe te verander deur leuens te versprei. So, kom ons hou nou eers by die een, vertel waarom het sy jou gelos dat almal kan sien wie jy is voor hulle alles glo wat jy sê.
@Loubser (Comment #75)
Ongeldidige statements sê jy – jy maak jou naam bollie en begin jou skool se naam saamvat.
Bly eerder by die feite, maak nie saak hoeveel jy Garsies haat nie. Jy kan hulle steeds haat, maar as jy met leuens wil saamstem omdat jy hulle haat, dan is jou karakter en alles wat jy voortaan post onder verdenking.
@boerboel (Comment #81)
Nee, nie sensitief nie, ek het pas die feite genoem oor wie en wat jy is.
Vertel bietjie vir die bloggers, amper die laaste kersie op die koek, hoekom het jou vrou jou gelos?
Daarna kan ons nog bietjie dieper delf en kan almal sien wie jy rerig is.
Maar begin eers by die vraag!
@Djou (Comment #80) sensitief as die feite genoem word.Julle gapsfonteiners glo al die k wat julle mekaar vertel.kersie op die koek is die van reenen mannetjie wat julle gehelp het om terug te kom huis toeen skool te kies AI
@boerboel (Comment #77)
Aangesien jy heeltyd van ander praat en leuens versprei gee jy sekerlik nie om dat ons weer jou naam noem en wat jy doen nie.
So Etienne Eloff, hier is jy weer.
Jy was in Durbanville, jy het jou naam en skool erken op die blog.
Jy probeer jare gatkruip by Paarl Boishaai en het jou daar probeer inwurm as ‘n Old Boy en beledig gewoonlik ander skole in Paarl en Stellies, Grey en Garsies deur leuens te versprei en feite te verdraai.
Jy het so erg tekere gegaan dat jou Boishaaitrui op die blog verwyder is.
Jou behoefte om “in” te wees by Boisjaai is so groot dat jy bereid is om leuens te versprei oor seuns en skole – net om te probeer deel raak van Boishaai.
Nuus vir jou, Boishaai het nie jou hulp nodig nie.
En hier is ‘n blogger of 2 van ander skole wat jou ondersteun – maar hulle meng hulle met semels en ons weet wie hulle is en hulle weet ongelukkig nie van beter nie. Hulle ondersteun jou eerder omdat hulle nie van Grey, Garsies, Paarl Gim, Paul Roos, ens. hou nie en het self al leuens oor die skole versprei.
En die kommissie wat jy vra wanneer jy sogenaamde finansiële advies gee behoort jy terug te gee!
Nou as jy regtig wil, en voortgaan om seuns se lewens hier te bespreek en leuens oor hulle te versprei kan ons jou gesinslewe volgende keer hier uitspel.
When a family joins a High School good questions could be how much is spent on various bursaries. Sport, academic, music etc.
Who is paying full fees and what does the family get for this?
If a school has managed to get outside sponsors and OB’s to contribute, then I salute that school. They must be doing something right for that to happen.
Question. A boy recruited in Grade 11 purely to add to a sports code and his own career prospect what is the likelihood that he too will ‘pay it back’ as a OB one day? I think more often than not the longterm ROI has gone.
It gives us another scenario. Imagine being the Local family, son or Nephew of an Old Boy. You have worked Your best to finally put on that 1st team Jersey in Your matric Year and suddenly 5 new guys arrive straight into the starting lineup come January in grade 11. Is this fair and will it leave a bitter taste perhaps?
If a school has well over 1000 boys it seems crazy that a boy who’s already been there for 4 years needs to be replaced by a recruit. The school has had 4 years to help this chap achieve his dream of wearing the 1st team jersey. If he now needs to be replaced I can only wonder how good their academic program is as there must be a line between sport and academic? After all we do send our boys to school to matriculate too.
When that is said. I unfortunately too believe that by now top 20 is a near impossible task without recruiting.
@Wonder (Comment #70)
Ek nie seker na wie jy verwys nie, maar ek weet van die skrummie wat in Graad 11 na Garsies geskuif het. Die Bul speel nou vir UJ, as ons van dieselfde Bul praat
@boerboel (Comment #74)
Ek wou nie betrokke raak nie, tot ek die klomp stront lees wat jy alweer kwytraak. Die speler waarna jy verwys is deur HJS by ons kom haal met ‘n WP kontrak. Die ooreenkoms was eenvoudig. Jy kry ‘n kontrak, maar jy moet HJS toe gaan. Dis die feite en punt. Hy was en is ‘n bitter begaafde speler. Hy is ook ‘n goeie mens. Hy het geen jaar by ons gedruip nie en was o15 toe hy in graad 8 ingekom het. Dalk moet jy versigtig wees, want hy is nie meer ‘n kind nie en jy praat van hom asof hy niks is nie. Dalk moet hy jou laat aankla vir naamskending. Dit is dalk tyd daarvoor… Jy eien jouself die reg toe om te dink agter jou skuilnaam kan jy sê net wat jy wil van wie jy wil. Ek skaam my eintlik on te dink dat ‘n volwassene so optree. Sies man! Hierdie is nie ‘n debat nie, dis ‘n feit.
@Wonder (Comment #69)
k storie was 019 toe hy by hjs aangekom het- by gapswannabees gedruip-fair player- sou moontlik b span gspeel het as chamberlain nie beseer was nie-
@boerboel (Comment #63)
Kom nou Boelie, ons weet moes nou jy verdraai al weer die feite. Kom ek help jou bietjie. Abner was op skool ‘n fantastiese rugby speler. Hy het Garsies in Augustus graad 11 verlaat na hy kontrak by WP gekry het. Garsies het hom gehelp met sy keuse van nuwe skool en dit was HJS. Hy is op goeie voet weg by Garsies en ek vir een, sal altyd aan hom as ‘n Garsie en moerse goeie rugbyspeler dink. Hy het nooit by Garsies gedruip nie, hou asb op nonsense praat oor sy akademie. Ek wens hom alle sterkte toe en hoop hy kan sy potensiaal verwesenlik. Goeie 10,12,13 of 15.
@Kantman (Comment #61)
Garsies are passionate supporters, Pamos started this by putting Garsies in the same category as KC, in error, however we took the bait. It was about time to get the blog talking!
Wat vreemd en snaaks is, is dat rugby-ondersteuners om een of ander rede glad nie bewus is van die onderlinge verhouding wat die Pretoria Afrigters met mekaar het nie. Ek kan met redelike sekerheid sê dat, alhoewel ek en Djou oor een Bul verskil, twee van die seuns wat deur Pamos genoem is, Affies genader het om in laaste kwartaal van Graad 10 oor te skuif Affies toe. As gevolg van die skool se beleid dat hulle nie seuns in Graad 11 en 12 aanvaar nie (tensy ouers in verplaas word van ander stese af) het Ryno en Duppie ‘n gesprek gevoer om te kyk of Garsies die twee manne kon akkommodeer.
Dit het niks met vrygewigheid te doen nie bloot onderlinge respek en samewerking tussen die afrigters, iets wat meeste van die bloggers nie verstaan of regkry nie.
@boerboel (Comment #49)
Ai, het jy klaar vergeet van Tyler Bocks? Speel no 12 vir die Leeus. As ek reg onthou is hy in graad 11 gekoop,toe bars die bom, ander skool in die Boland wou nie meer teen HJS speel nie. So erg geraak dat die hoof ‘n persverklaring moes uitreik en toe vir almal vertel van die delayed option, was actauly nogal snaaks. Ek mis vir SMALLIES, het ken al die stories van die seuns wat so skuif.Onthou nog die Menlo no 10 wat sommer net in die Junie vakansie Grey Bloem toe is.
@Djou (Comment #53)
I agree. I don’t think it’s possible unless you have a freaksihly good group of Grade 11/ 12 boys. Do you have a view on what good or bad is? Should you recruit after grade 10? How many bursaries are enough? Should the first team be 50% bursary and 50% non bursary?
@Buthelezi2 (Comment #45)
There is a reason why Garsies come up in these discussion. They openly stated they give bursaries and recruit. The others who do the same just don’t say it, and hide like cowards. Do you respect cowards?
Then, how many times must a lie be told before you believe it? For many bloggers once is enough.
If you compare the number of bursaries/financial assistance in just Pretoria, you will find Garsies at the bottom of that list.
@Tang (Comment #34)
There is no way for any school – nowadays – to be in (even) the top 20 if you don’t recruit AND give bursaries/financial assistance.
The competition is just that tough.
@Loubser (Comment #37)
Glad you proved old Boerboel ala Eloff wrong, again. He remains a sucker.
But if you want the facts, just go and ask the player/his parents and don’t rely on what you hear in the grapevine.
@boerboel (Comment #48)
deel asseblief met ons ook hulle name man, dis altyd so opwindend as daar nuwe manne in kom en hierdie jaar is daar niks amper sover nie.
Ultimately, I think we need to trust the parents and that they are doing what’s in the best interests of their son (and family). If we can’t do so then I think bursaries/poaching/school-to-school is the least of our worries in SA society (and actually if you think about it, it probably is). We can debate all day long whether there’s a “right” or “wrong” way to go about this, but this point is really what it boils down to in the end.
In a country with so little opportunity, we can’t let egos etc get in the way of parents seizing such opportunities for their kids, by prescribing that boys can only move after certain ages etc. and for what reasons etc. If there’s a agreed financial cost that needs to be paid to the losing school, then that is part of the consideration the parents need to take into account as well. Apologies in advance, this isn’t meant to sound condescending or patronizing, prentend I have a different avatar:)
For KC specifically, in my opinion, if a boy aspires to be a springbok rugby player then KC is not the school to go to maximize their chances, and they would be better placed at any of the bigger “rugby” schools. But if the parents want their child to get a well rounded education and build a good supporting network to put their child in good shape for the future, then yes it is a school to go to (and there are many in SA that do the same and not just privates).
@Buthelezi2 (Comment #45)
The reason for it is not liking the new kids on the block. Simple as. There’s no “poaching” happening at Garsfontein. Noordheuwel, Rustenburg, Eg Jansen, Monument, DHS, Glenwood etc. all do the exact same thing yet you never hear a peep about those schools. And I don’t care that they do it, they’re affording kids an opportunity and if you wanna take it away from them, you do you. BUT if you wanna criticize, do it fairly and correctly.
Paarl Gim is a perfect example of a school who recruits responsibly and ethically but still maintains an extremely high standard, mainly due to their incredible rugby culture and tradition. There’s a reason some schools, eg. Kingswood and Garsies always come up in these conversations of ethics and poaching whilst others don’t. If a school goes about it in the correct manner, you won’t hear anyone complaining about it
@Loubser (Comment #43)
Stating unnecessary facts are a cry for more than attention and help. Don’t really know why I replied however should’ve just let you be. We all know by now that AFFIES will always make everything about themselves and never ever be wrong. NEVER.
o no, you got me, here I foolishy thought this was a discussion and not a talent show where stating facts is considered a desperate cry for attention. my bad!
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #36)
It is not possible to be in the top 30 without giving bursaries, some schools just lie about it and their fans belief them.
@Loubser (Comment #37)
Een se dood is n ander se brood. En in die geval was die einste brood n croissant gewees. So baie dankie AFFIES. Altyd so nederig en vrygewend.
@Djou (Comment 33). I agree with you. There is nothing illegal about offering bursaries or financial assistance. Maybe I should have asked my question differently. Do you believe a school can be Top5/10 without recruiting? Garsies play a very tough fixture list. You need depth and talent to maintain high standards week after week.
@Tang (Comment #31) @Pamos (Comment #29)
We normally don’t name the boys on the blog.
But the first one Pamos mentioned already matriculated. Wonder also informed Pamos that one of the other 3 approached the school.
On the register, yes Tang, your neighboir will have a very long list once we include financial assistance as a bursary. A recent newspaper article indicated the numbers – on when you qualify for financial assistance. If a person has 2 boys in your neighbouring school – given current school fees – annual earnings less than R1 million qualify the learners for financial assistance.
All legal according to legislation.
Some schools follow that route and don’t call it bursaries, but it is the same thing when you recruit.
@Pamos (Comment #29)
All very good rugby players. I don’t know if they are attending Garsies on scholarships.
I am saying that whenever Garsies do give a scholarship it is linked to academic performance. I have seen some very good players losing the scholarship due to not performing on academic level. Garsies is an academic school of excellence that has many learners that achieve in all sports. Total misconception regarding the number of bursaries the Garsies give. I know for a fact that at least one of the players you mentioned below approached Garsies. You don’t say no when quality like that ask to become part of your school.
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #26)
You make excellent points. It’s a tricky subject but worth discussing. I think we all agree on the benefits to both the school and the boy. The nuance lies in the intent and I think this would be impossible to prove (how do you prove that the intent was to glorify the school as opposed to uplifting the boy). Perhaps the number of bursaries should regulated. Maybe no more than five rugby bursaries and no recruitment after Grade 9.
@Pamos (Comment #17)
Garsfontein gee slegs akademiese beurse. Akademiese prestasie is altyd gekoppel aan die beurs, as die seun goeie rugby kan speel is dit net ‘n bonus.
@Tang (Comment #24)
To state that a rugby bursary is given “solely to glorify a school” is perhaps a bit harsh? Surely there are mutual benefits for both the boy and the school? Whilst the benefit for the school is obvious, the recipient’s access to a well-run school rugby program may well open the door for him should there be an opportunity to pursue rugby as a career. The financial benefit for the boy’s family alone is substantial. Saving 5 years school fees can make a big dent in funding a tertiary qualification after matric.
In many cases you’ll find that where a school runs a successful rugby program, other disciplines (ie. academics) are usually also results-driven. Any environment (school, company, government) which is results-driven has so much more change of creating an environment for its participants to excel and that in itself provides opportunities.
In Afrikaans, there is a saying “sukses kweek sukses”. Just watching Chasing the sun, or even “Rugby of niks” currently on DSTV, quickly showcases many examples where opportunities (call it bursaries, scholarship, OB-sponsors, whatever) where given to young boys, changing the entire course of their lives.
Yes, certain schools may at times be excessive in their approaches and resources allocated to rugby programs, but don’t let those take away from the many success-stories through the years.
I stand with my view however that minor recipients have a right to anonymity should they choose to. A school will in any event not be able to hide it, ie. Kingswood in this case.
Very interesting topic with a massive grey area.
@Tang (Comment #24)
Its a tricky one, as sport is still a key part of a childs education in many ways, and teams that can compete (dont have to be no. 1 or top 10), also brings greater levels of enjoyment, school gees, old boy support, community support etc which in turn helps with the development of other areas. We also need to remember that in the past you top sportsman who was not academic, would at best play club rugby. Now sport is a viable option for boys to launch careers at varsity level (which in itself can mean they get to go to varsity, which they may not have before were it not for a sports bursary), juniour provincial and ultimately professional as well and alignment with the right school, coaches, festivals etc. can give players an opportunity to literally change the course of their entire lives and that of their families. Not all will succeed at academics, but fully agree with you that it needs to be a balance. Anecdotally, some top sports kids are also good academics as well, so they have options as well.
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #20)
Rugby bursaries that are handed out solely to glorify a school divert from the core purpose of educational support. They priortize image and athletic success over academic achievement and student development (especially in the context of South Africa where quality education is critical). When bursaries are handed out for promotional value rather than for genuine student benefit, a culture is created where sporting (especially rugby results) are overvalued. Ask yourself a simple question: Why give a rugby bursary? In my view, recipients of rugby bursaries should not be entitled to anonimty because they are under 18. The school is the beneficiary of such a bursary and every team they play against should be aware of the number of recipients and when the recipients arrived at the school. There is a clear difference between genuine academic bursaries and sports specific bursaries.
@Tang (Comment #19)
Tang, I see where you’re coming from, but we must remember that the ultimate beneficiary is the boy. His affairs as a minor should be handled with due care and sensitivity. Although SBR is run like a professional sport by adults in charge, the players are just kids operating in (sometimes) very unforgiving environments. I fear that laying out the details for all to expose the adults in the room, could become a stick used to scold the children.
But yes, I hear you.
@Pamos (Comment #17)
Schools should be compelled to publish a register of acquisitions and losses. We should see school of origin, offer (value of the bursary) and school of destination. Festivals and publications should also be compelled to publish these details in team sheets. It should look like: Player 1 – School x (accepted full bursary in Grade 10) now at School y. If you could see this information, you can start to gauge how much influence acquisitions and losses have on results.
I understand Kingswood’s point and they are trying everything in their power to ensure that their first team is successful every year. Their lower age groups struggle year in and year out but their 1st XV can compete with the best of them.
But I can also tell you that Kingswood is not the only school approaching boys in grade 10, they are just approaching the teams they play against boys which is now a problem. Just like Durban schools raided EC, Kingswood has raided top Durban schools in the past few years. Garsfontein does it, Bishops have now started doing it too. I would love to see, like there was last year, a lie of the the big moves of students to other schools.
@Dion (Comment #14)
Frustrating cause I would really would love to see Kingswood play Queen’s at the Rec, can’t believe they don’t want to change this behavior, they will have to get used to some interhouse and internal fixtures I guess.
Surely the management of KC must now realise the problem is with them. ALL these other schools cant be ALL wrong. Do you think they will change their ways?
Couldn’t agree more they never play really tough opponents this year they play DHS /Northwood at festival time…they will be closely watched for sure…rest of there fixtures look so so
@KES Oldboy (Comment #12)
sometimes moving from a JHB private, where you are a big fish in a small pond, to KES, where you may just crack the third team is too much for these fragile Gen Z egos
Oh – and just by the way, the said kid from the private school has not moved to KES and will not move. So I’ll have to go watch him playing in the “cake league”.
@KES Oldboy (Comment #10)
Agree, it can be very difficult when trying to build a programme up. As many bloggers seem to agree – Grade 7 boys are fair game,but when your first team is struggling it can be hard to attract quality boys into that system. It means schools start going far and wide to find talent, and can then upset those schools in other. Also if they do find good players and develop them, and make a statement with a good u14A or u15A team, those star players then get targted by bigger schools and suddenly they lose them to the bigger schools. It is hard, but agree best to start at grassroots and build up. Takes time though and schools dont like to wait.
@Wyvern (Comment #6)
I am sympathetic to Kingswood to a degree. They are a small school with 280 boys. So they do need to bolster their rugby teams. But they should start in grade 8 and then maybe add a few at U16/7 level with boys that do not come from their “ecosystem”. I believe they recruited 2 Northcliff High School boys into grade 11 – no problem – different ecosystem……
@Skywalker (Comment #7)
You are 100% correct – it is a grey area. A friend of mine’s son is a good rugby player at a private school n Johannesburg which is frustrating him. I’ve “suggested” that he come to KES. And why wouldn’t I? He’s a great kid from a good family and is a good rugby player who is frustrated in his current environment. But then if he did then approach KES, they would be wrong to offer him any sort of “scholarship”. I have it on good authority that they would not. (And I’d be extremely disappointed if they did!)
Kingswood needs catch a wake up, what’s their plan? Only festivals will give them a good enough fixture list, local derbies besides K day look boring and small.
@KES Oldboy (Comment #2)
Agree with what you have said, but it does become blurry when you say “unless they approach you”. Unf. I believe that this can often be promoted by the school through sly conversations to parents on the sidelines or through other boys to inform targeted kids to apply. This way the schools can keep their hands clean and say “they approached us”, but in fact the trigger came from them to strongly hint that they would get a favourable response. Not saying its like this all the time at all. Sometimes it is initiated by the parents or boys themselves of course, but this does happen as well i believe.
Often at the u16 tournaments when boys are not with their schools but now mixed with the best in their age groups, and coaches from rival schools are coaching them now. I am sure a few conversations happen.
Either way, its impossible to tell a child where they can and cant go, so the reality is it does and will happen.
@Ystervark (Comment #4)
To be fair KC did also post their loss to Port Rex last year even though it was a 2nd/3rd team that played due to EP commitments. It was still considered as a 1st XV result and fixture.
Wow at this rate it’s going to be interhouse rugby and Kday on the annual fixture list!
I don’t know if this is true or not, but I was once told that of the applications KC gets for their scholarships etc., the school that had the highest number of applicants was Dale.
I don’t think it will be too long before schools who don’t have a dog in this fight pull out of their fixtures out of solidarity with others over these unethical practices.
What people also don’t know is that Kingswood emailed 2 rivals of relatively decent strength late in the week before the games to let them know that if a junior score gets to 50 points the game stops, yet they are very happy to give weak schools 70+ at 1st XV level and publish those scores.
@KES Oldboy (Comment #2)
2nd time Dale cancels this fixture.First in 2018 for the exact same reason.The issue was then resolved and the fixture resumed in 2023…now this again.KC is running out of friends fast.Tragic!
Now the Dalians are gonna miss out on that legendary derby day KC lunch
I’m not sure why it’s taken so long for schools to protest. I suppose when they had the post matric or bridging year, there was nothing anybody could do- the scholarship boys had matriculated & left their schools. But when that stopped 2 or 3 years ago, they had to start recruiting from other schools. There is nothing wrong with recruiting BUT it should e done in grade 7 for boys coming into grade 8. Those boys are fair game. But once boys are at a school they should be left alone unless they approach you & even then, there should be a discussion between headmasters as to why the child is leaving.
Wanneer hoor ons nou?
@Ystervark (Comment #99)
To be fair, EP were the villains in that matter, KC were just naive going into that deal.The kid was struggling academically and with injuries while at Dale.KC believed they had a magic wand when EP Rugby wanted to place him there so he could be close to PE for EP under 19 duties.So when the worst case scenario happened, KC didn’t know what to do with him. Yes, the boy (now man) was the biggest loser here, but I think it would be harsh to place the blame on Kingswood.
@Djou (Comment #123)
julle moenie so minderwaardig voel- julle is ok
ai shame
@4×4 (Comment #122)
Spekskiet is ‘n eufemisme
@Grizzly (Comment #121)
En daar trap jy in boerboel Eloff se strik – hy het gewag vir iemand om hom te begin glo.
Hy wil hê die fokus moet skuif na Garsfontein as oorsaak dat die seun nie matriek het nie.
Nietemin, Rugbyman het reeds alles gegee. Garsfontein kan nie vir Boishaai of enige skool sê hoe hulle moet skoolgee nie, net soos niemand vir Garsfontein kan sê hoe hulle moet skoolgee nie.
Dis die skool se besluit.
Punt is, die seun is einde graad 11 na Boishaai met ‘n WP-kontrak en skoolbeurs. Hy het baie goed gespeel in sy graad 12 jaar en het ‘n enorme rol gespeel in Boishaai se puik vertonings – as losskakel, want dis waar Boishaai ‘n tekort gehad het, hoewel hy heelagter en senter by Garsfontein was en ook SA skole A as heelagter gespeel het.
Nietemin, baie aandag is in sy graad 12 jaar aan rugby gegee, maar uiteraard nie genoeg aan akademie nie.
Dis die punt – gewerf vir rugby en akademie was bysaak.
Die vraag eat jy behoort te vra is waarom boerbpel Eloff se vrou hom gelos het sodat almal kan sien watter tipe mens hy is en waarom hy sy minderwaardiheidskompleks as gevolg daarvan probeer neutraliseer met leuens oor ander skole.
@Djou (Comment #119)
Spekskieters!!! Mammonforhire!!!
@Boishaaipa,as jy nog hier Lees. Kan jy uit vind en vir ons die feite gee oor Abner se verplasing. Het Garsfontein “gehelp” met die oorplasing of was hulle unwilling en harde gat om hom nie te wou gaan nie. Rugbyman het die feite gegee maar Ed’s Wil hom nie glo nie. As jy die feite kan gee maak nie saak wat dit is nie dan sal ek dankbaar wees. Dankie.
@Djou (Comment #118)
sy het n garswannabee truitjie in my kas gekry
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Kom, waar is al daai Oos-Moot manne waaroor jy so lekker lieg.
Daar is ‘n spreekwoord wat lui: You can’t heal a toxic person – so jy gaan ongelukkig siek bly!
@boerboel (Comment #117)
Waarom het jou vrou jou gelos?
Dink meeste bloggers kan uit jou gedrag hier ‘n titseltjie sien, maar dis nie die hoofrede nie, né!
@boerboel (Comment #116)
die van reenen mannetjie
@Djou (Comment #114)
ek wag nog vir die gapswanabee sstorie oor hoe hulle hom gehelp om terug te kom paarl toe
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Terloops, wat jy in die verlede gepost het is hopeloos verkeerd.
Garsies 100% matriek slaagsyfer.
Garsies hoogste persentasie matrieks wat kwalifiseer vir tersiêre studies in Gauteng.
Meer as wat jy kan sê!
En bewys jou huilmasjien-stelling verkeerd.
@boerboel (Comment #112)
Gaan jy vertel wat jy gedoen het?
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
Jy is mos die man wat gesê het Garsies het amper die hele Oos-Moot leeggekoop.
Net nog ‘n ou leuen.
Maar noem al daai manne van Oos-Moot grootmond.
Liegbek, groter as boerboel Etienne Eloff, wat onhebbelike dinge aangevang het en nou te bang is om te vertel.
Nes jy!
Jy is reeds bewys as onkredietwaardige blogger, so jy kan maar ophou post.
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
yip 100p accurate- chasing rugby recognition at all cost-sad
@Ystervark (Comment #110)
Since he was registered as an independent learner from the start, it didn’t matter where he wrote his finals (although he could’ve done at KC if he felt ready). But now you know the full story. If anything KC and his teachers deserve all the praise here! This is a perfect example you’ve brought up to illustrate the difference in offering between KC and (ironically) Dale, that goes far beyond sport alone.
He completed matric through a college while at EP. He definitely did not write his finals while at Kingswood
@RuggaFreak (Comment #103)
That’s good to hear, I hear it was a full camp plus match. Our preseason camps and warmups have usually been with Grey these last few years, so it’s good that we expand our marketing ;)
@RuggaFreak (Comment #103)
The version i heard was that the Kings/EP wanted to contract him, but his parents pushed back and wanted him to focus on his academics (was not looking good at the time at Dale).
The Kings/EP then offered offered his parents to get him on track academically (and closer to PE) by sending him to KC. KC agreed to take him (there was big push back internally given where he was academically) but on condition that he be registered with IEB as an independent scholar.
After a year of school plus night classes plus weekend schooling he was able to write matric, pass and I believe got a university entrance (big credit to him and all the teachers that helped him!).
The part that ystervark did get correct is that he did get injured, ironically playing against Dale that year.
@Mammon4hire (Comment #106)
No one really cares what you stated in the past because your statements is without facts and baseless. You just a troll without an avatar. You posting here probably with 3 emails to yourself. Are you Boerboel or Etienne?
@boerboel (Comment #100)
I have stated it the past and state it again, Garsies recruit under the guise of offering academic opportunities, but the reality is often far from the noble promise of education. These recruitment drives are less about academics and more about feeding egos and securing victories at all costs, with Garsies prioritizing their rugby prestige over the long-term well-being of the players.
@boerboel (Comment #100)
Jy sal moet vertel – op die stadium het ek nog niks gesê nie uit respek want dalk lees jou kinders hier.
Maar kom ons kyk hoe braaf jy regtig is. As jy vertel, hats off to you, indien nie, dan maak jy soos alle lafaards – groot mond oor ander maar kan dit nie hanteer nie as dit terugkom na jou toe!
@Ystervark (Comment #99)
There are lots of other examples – and these schools must be called out as they are the real abusers.
And then you get guys like boerboel, trying to defend it with lie upon lie, and putting the blame on others in an attempt to lure you away from the topic and making others out to be scapegoats.
@Wyvern (Comment #101)
Give us your version? Hear both our boys(QC and KC) had a good hit out on Sunday, that’s good.
@Ystervark (Comment #99)
Well, damn.
@Ystervark (Comment #99)
Are you 100% certain of that? Not the version I heard
@Djou (Comment #98)
die van reenen mannejie en hoe julle hom hjs laat kies het? julle sal moet vertel
@Djou (Comment #93)
Agree completely. And even Kingswood have been guilty of this before. Brought in a kid from Dale for rugby in matric. Kid got injured during the season and the school had no interest in him after that. Didn’t even let him write his matric finals because they were scared of not getting their 100% pass rate
@boerboel (Comment #95)
Kom nou, moenie die onderwerp verander nie.
Dit gaan nie werk nie. Hoe meer jy dit probeer doen, hoe meer gaan ek vra?
@Djou (Comment #93)
he came home- moved from b league to a league- dont bs yourself- if you were the kids dad- what would you have done?
@boerboel (Comment #95)
bulle/ossies
@Djou (Comment #94)
die buule pakslae mmak jou depro op die Sondag- dis nie so erg
lees weer stoke city- liverpool
@boerboel (Comment #92)
Ek sien jy post nou vir jouself en weier om te antwoord. Waarom?
@Tang (Comment #55)
To me, every situation is different and should be treated as such.
It is easier to say what is blatantly wrong, though.
One example of blatantly wrong is the example discussed below. A boy from Garsfontein, who already played Cravenweek and SA Schools A, was recruited at the end of grade 11 by Boishaai. He, however failed matric. So, there was no mutual benefit.
Another example is a boy recruited by Noordheuwel from Welkom Gim. He also left Noordheuwel without a matric.
Many of these examples.
The benefit should be mutual, where the boy must leave the school with at least a matric and or work/study/rugby opportunities.
@boerboel (Comment #91)
dis maar hoe die lewe werk- speel vir Stoke City- maar as as jy kans kry om Liverpool toe te gaan dan gaan jy
@Djou (Comment #90)
die van reenen storie- nee ek glo dit nie- maar net n suur gapswannabee storie om te regverdig as n mannetjie groener weivelde soek
@boerboel (Comment #87)
Kom nou Etienne, vertel! Dit is belangrik, want dit wys karakter, en karakter is NB om te weet wat die waarskynlikheid is om iemand te glo!
@boerboel (Comment #87)
watter leuens- ?
@4×4 (Comment #62)
Presies, maar al sê jy dit 100 keer, is hier ‘n paar wat gaan sê jy praat nonsens want hulle hou nie daarvan nie.
@Djou (Comment #86)
mmm so gedog
@boerboel (Comment #83)
Jy is ‘n meester om onderwerpe te verander deur leuens te versprei. So, kom ons hou nou eers by die een, vertel waarom het sy jou gelos dat almal kan sien wie jy is voor hulle alles glo wat jy sê.
@Loubser (Comment #75)
Ongeldidige statements sê jy – jy maak jou naam bollie en begin jou skool se naam saamvat.
Bly eerder by die feite, maak nie saak hoeveel jy Garsies haat nie. Jy kan hulle steeds haat, maar as jy met leuens wil saamstem omdat jy hulle haat, dan is jou karakter en alles wat jy voortaan post onder verdenking.
@boerboel (Comment #83)
vertel oor die van reenen seun- het julle vir hom gekies?
@Djou (Comment #82)
ai vermy jy die onderwerp?
@boerboel (Comment #81)
Nee, nie sensitief nie, ek het pas die feite genoem oor wie en wat jy is.
Vertel bietjie vir die bloggers, amper die laaste kersie op die koek, hoekom het jou vrou jou gelos?
Daarna kan ons nog bietjie dieper delf en kan almal sien wie jy rerig is.
Maar begin eers by die vraag!
@Djou (Comment #80)
sensitief as die feite genoem word.Julle gapsfonteiners glo al die k wat julle mekaar vertel.kersie op die koek is die van reenen mannetjie wat julle gehelp het om terug te kom huis toeen skool te kies AI
@boerboel (Comment #77)
Aangesien jy heeltyd van ander praat en leuens versprei gee jy sekerlik nie om dat ons weer jou naam noem en wat jy doen nie.
So Etienne Eloff, hier is jy weer.
Jy was in Durbanville, jy het jou naam en skool erken op die blog.
Jy probeer jare gatkruip by Paarl Boishaai en het jou daar probeer inwurm as ‘n Old Boy en beledig gewoonlik ander skole in Paarl en Stellies, Grey en Garsies deur leuens te versprei en feite te verdraai.
Jy het so erg tekere gegaan dat jou Boishaaitrui op die blog verwyder is.
Jou behoefte om “in” te wees by Boisjaai is so groot dat jy bereid is om leuens te versprei oor seuns en skole – net om te probeer deel raak van Boishaai.
Nuus vir jou, Boishaai het nie jou hulp nodig nie.
En hier is ‘n blogger of 2 van ander skole wat jou ondersteun – maar hulle meng hulle met semels en ons weet wie hulle is en hulle weet ongelukkig nie van beter nie. Hulle ondersteun jou eerder omdat hulle nie van Grey, Garsies, Paarl Gim, Paul Roos, ens. hou nie en het self al leuens oor die skole versprei.
En die kommissie wat jy vra wanneer jy sogenaamde finansiële advies gee behoort jy terug te gee!
Nou as jy regtig wil, en voortgaan om seuns se lewens hier te bespreek en leuens oor hulle te versprei kan ons jou gesinslewe volgende keer hier uitspel.
NUMBERS AND MATHS!
Who is paying full fees and what does the family get for this?
If a school has managed to get outside sponsors and OB’s to contribute, then I salute that school. They must be doing something right for that to happen.
Question. A boy recruited in Grade 11 purely to add to a sports code and his own career prospect what is the likelihood that he too will ‘pay it back’ as a OB one day? I think more often than not the longterm ROI has gone.
It gives us another scenario. Imagine being the Local family, son or Nephew of an Old Boy. You have worked Your best to finally put on that 1st team Jersey in Your matric Year and suddenly 5 new guys arrive straight into the starting lineup come January in grade 11. Is this fair and will it leave a bitter taste perhaps?
If a school has well over 1000 boys it seems crazy that a boy who’s already been there for 4 years needs to be replaced by a recruit. The school has had 4 years to help this chap achieve his dream of wearing the 1st team jersey. If he now needs to be replaced I can only wonder how good their academic program is as there must be a line between sport and academic? After all we do send our boys to school to matriculate too.
When that is said. I unfortunately too believe that by now top 20 is a near impossible task without recruiting.
@Wonder (Comment #70)
Ek nie seker na wie jy verwys nie, maar ek weet van die skrummie wat in Graad 11 na Garsies geskuif het. Die Bul speel nou vir UJ, as ons van dieselfde Bul praat
@Rugbyman (Comment #76)
niks teen die seun nie- ken hom nie hy kom v die paarl – het huis toe gekom gapswannabees net suur
@boerboel (Comment #74)
Ek wou nie betrokke raak nie, tot ek die klomp stront lees wat jy alweer kwytraak. Die speler waarna jy verwys is deur HJS by ons kom haal met ‘n WP kontrak. Die ooreenkoms was eenvoudig. Jy kry ‘n kontrak, maar jy moet HJS toe gaan. Dis die feite en punt. Hy was en is ‘n bitter begaafde speler. Hy is ook ‘n goeie mens. Hy het geen jaar by ons gedruip nie en was o15 toe hy in graad 8 ingekom het. Dalk moet jy versigtig wees, want hy is nie meer ‘n kind nie en jy praat van hom asof hy niks is nie. Dalk moet hy jou laat aankla vir naamskending. Dit is dalk tyd daarvoor… Jy eien jouself die reg toe om te dink agter jou skuilnaam kan jy sê net wat jy wil van wie jy wil. Ek skaam my eintlik on te dink dat ‘n volwassene so optree. Sies man! Hierdie is nie ‘n debat nie, dis ‘n feit.
@BOERBOEL
@boerboel (Comment #73)
die jong man wou huis toe kom en vir n ordentlike nie gekoopte span speel- dis logies
@Wonder (Comment #69)
ai
gapswannabees hom gehelp met keuse van skool
@Wonder (Comment #69)
k storie was 019 toe hy by hjs aangekom het- by gapswannabees gedruip-fair player- sou moontlik b span gspeel het as chamberlain nie beseer was nie-
@Ystervark (Comment #65)
Yip, ek dink dit was sy naam. Ek weet nie by hoeveel skole hy was nie.
@4×4 (Comment #62)
Goeie post, ek glo daar was ook ‘n paar gesprekke om daai spog vleuel van Affies by Garsies te akkommodeer.
@boerboel (Comment #63)
Kom nou Boelie, ons weet moes nou jy verdraai al weer die feite. Kom ek help jou bietjie. Abner was op skool ‘n fantastiese rugby speler. Hy het Garsies in Augustus graad 11 verlaat na hy kontrak by WP gekry het. Garsies het hom gehelp met sy keuse van nuwe skool en dit was HJS. Hy is op goeie voet weg by Garsies en ek vir een, sal altyd aan hom as ‘n Garsie en moerse goeie rugbyspeler dink. Hy het nooit by Garsies gedruip nie, hou asb op nonsense praat oor sy akademie. Ek wens hom alle sterkte toe en hoop hy kan sy potensiaal verwesenlik. Goeie 10,12,13 of 15.
@Wonder (Comment #66)
kc amateurs compared to the gapswannabees
@Ystervark (Comment #64)
ja hy was al o19 toe hy teruggekom Kaap toe- moes daar by die gapswannabees n jaar agter geraak het
@Kantman (Comment #61)
Garsies are passionate supporters, Pamos started this by putting Garsies in the same category as KC, in error, however we took the bait. It was about time to get the blog talking!
@Wonder (Comment #56)
FC du Plessis? Didn’t he go to 4 different high schools?
@boerboel (Comment #59)
Abner van Reenen
@Kantman (Comment #61)
yip the old guilty conscience
Wat vreemd en snaaks is, is dat rugby-ondersteuners om een of ander rede glad nie bewus is van die onderlinge verhouding wat die Pretoria Afrigters met mekaar het nie. Ek kan met redelike sekerheid sê dat, alhoewel ek en Djou oor een Bul verskil, twee van die seuns wat deur Pamos genoem is, Affies genader het om in laaste kwartaal van Graad 10 oor te skuif Affies toe. As gevolg van die skool se beleid dat hulle nie seuns in Graad 11 en 12 aanvaar nie (tensy ouers in verplaas word van ander stese af) het Ryno en Duppie ‘n gesprek gevoer om te kyk of Garsies die twee manne kon akkommodeer.
Dit het niks met vrygewigheid te doen nie bloot onderlinge respek en samewerking tussen die afrigters, iets wat meeste van die bloggers nie verstaan of regkry nie.
Amazing how a blog about Dale’s decision tuns into a Garsie supporter blog through old Boela’s comments
@boerboel (Comment #59)
Nee, nee. Hy het elke jaar by Garsies geslaag, het by julle gepluk.
@Wonder (Comment #56)
dis soos daai loskakel wat nie by garswannabees kon deurkom nie- was al 019 – kry toe wp kontrak kom toe huis toe in die paarl
@boerboel (Comment #57)
graad 11 ai
@Wonder (Comment #56)
hy kon prg se 1st team maak nie- toe kom hy hjs toe
@boerboel (Comment #49)
Ai, het jy klaar vergeet van Tyler Bocks? Speel no 12 vir die Leeus. As ek reg onthou is hy in graad 11 gekoop,toe bars die bom, ander skool in die Boland wou nie meer teen HJS speel nie. So erg geraak dat die hoof ‘n persverklaring moes uitreik en toe vir almal vertel van die delayed option, was actauly nogal snaaks. Ek mis vir SMALLIES, het ken al die stories van die seuns wat so skuif.Onthou nog die Menlo no 10 wat sommer net in die Junie vakansie Grey Bloem toe is.
100% IN AGREEMENT
I agree. I don’t think it’s possible unless you have a freaksihly good group of Grade 11/ 12 boys. Do you have a view on what good or bad is? Should you recruit after grade 10? How many bursaries are enough? Should the first team be 50% bursary and 50% non bursary?
@Buthelezi2 (Comment #45)
There is a reason why Garsies come up in these discussion. They openly stated they give bursaries and recruit. The others who do the same just don’t say it, and hide like cowards. Do you respect cowards?
Then, how many times must a lie be told before you believe it? For many bloggers once is enough.
If you compare the number of bursaries/financial assistance in just Pretoria, you will find Garsies at the bottom of that list.
@Tang (Comment #34)
There is no way for any school – nowadays – to be in (even) the top 20 if you don’t recruit AND give bursaries/financial assistance.
The competition is just that tough.
@Loubser (Comment #37)
Glad you proved old Boerboel ala Eloff wrong, again. He remains a sucker.
But if you want the facts, just go and ask the player/his parents and don’t rely on what you hear in the grapevine.
@Buthelezi2 (Comment #45)
I don’t want to be rude, but if you really believe that, then you don’t know what is happening.
@boerboel (Comment #48)
deel asseblief met ons ook hulle name man, dis altyd so opwindend as daar nuwe manne in kom en hierdie jaar is daar niks amper sover nie.
@Wonder (Comment #41)
Tyler- wie is dit
@Wonder (Comment #42)
ek dink hulle weet nog nie- party manne nog oppad
TRUST THE PARENTS?
In a country with so little opportunity, we can’t let egos etc get in the way of parents seizing such opportunities for their kids, by prescribing that boys can only move after certain ages etc. and for what reasons etc. If there’s a agreed financial cost that needs to be paid to the losing school, then that is part of the consideration the parents need to take into account as well. Apologies in advance, this isn’t meant to sound condescending or patronizing, prentend I have a different avatar:)
For KC specifically, in my opinion, if a boy aspires to be a springbok rugby player then KC is not the school to go to maximize their chances, and they would be better placed at any of the bigger “rugby” schools. But if the parents want their child to get a well rounded education and build a good supporting network to put their child in good shape for the future, then yes it is a school to go to (and there are many in SA that do the same and not just privates).
@Buthelezi2 (Comment #45)
The reason for it is not liking the new kids on the block. Simple as. There’s no “poaching” happening at Garsfontein. Noordheuwel, Rustenburg, Eg Jansen, Monument, DHS, Glenwood etc. all do the exact same thing yet you never hear a peep about those schools. And I don’t care that they do it, they’re affording kids an opportunity and if you wanna take it away from them, you do you. BUT if you wanna criticize, do it fairly and correctly.
Paarl Gim is a perfect example of a school who recruits responsibly and ethically but still maintains an extremely high standard, mainly due to their incredible rugby culture and tradition. There’s a reason some schools, eg. Kingswood and Garsies always come up in these conversations of ethics and poaching whilst others don’t. If a school goes about it in the correct manner, you won’t hear anyone complaining about it
@Loubser (Comment #43)
Stating unnecessary facts are a cry for more than attention and help. Don’t really know why I replied however should’ve just let you be. We all know by now that AFFIES will always make everything about themselves and never ever be wrong. NEVER.
@BEREFAN ( COMMENT #38)
@Garsieoldboy (Comment #39)
Hoe lyk Garsies se span die jaar?
@boerboel (Comment #35)
Baie beter as die delayed option,groete aan Tyler.
@agter_die_pale_pa (Comment #36)
It is not possible to be in the top 30 without giving bursaries, some schools just lie about it and their fans belief them.
@Loubser (Comment #37)
Een se dood is n ander se brood. En in die geval was die einste brood n croissant gewees. So baie dankie AFFIES. Altyd so nederig en vrygewend.
@Loubser (Comment #37)
Why does that matter? Did anyone claim that didn’t happen? Don’t seek attention.
#33 @DJOU
@Tang (Comment #34)
I honestly think in this age it is difficult to consistantly be top 30 without any sort of recruitment.
@Wonder (Comment #32)
player approaching Garsies
@Djou (Comment 33). I agree with you. There is nothing illegal about offering bursaries or financial assistance. Maybe I should have asked my question differently. Do you believe a school can be Top5/10 without recruiting? Garsies play a very tough fixture list. You need depth and talent to maintain high standards week after week.
@Tang (Comment #31)
@Pamos (Comment #29)
We normally don’t name the boys on the blog.
But the first one Pamos mentioned already matriculated. Wonder also informed Pamos that one of the other 3 approached the school.
On the register, yes Tang, your neighboir will have a very long list once we include financial assistance as a bursary. A recent newspaper article indicated the numbers – on when you qualify for financial assistance. If a person has 2 boys in your neighbouring school – given current school fees – annual earnings less than R1 million qualify the learners for financial assistance.
All legal according to legislation.
Some schools follow that route and don’t call it bursaries, but it is the same thing when you recruit.
@Pamos (Comment #29)
All very good rugby players. I don’t know if they are attending Garsies on scholarships.
I am saying that whenever Garsies do give a scholarship it is linked to academic performance. I have seen some very good players losing the scholarship due to not performing on academic level. Garsies is an academic school of excellence that has many learners that achieve in all sports. Total misconception regarding the number of bursaries the Garsies give. I know for a fact that at least one of the players you mentioned below approached Garsies. You don’t say no when quality like that ask to become part of your school.
EXCELLENT POINTS.
You make excellent points. It’s a tricky subject but worth discussing. I think we all agree on the benefits to both the school and the boy. The nuance lies in the intent and I think this would be impossible to prove (how do you prove that the intent was to glorify the school as opposed to uplifting the boy). Perhaps the number of bursaries should regulated. Maybe no more than five rugby bursaries and no recruitment after Grade 9.
@Wonder (Comment #28)
@Wonder (Comment #27)
So Ethan Van Wyk, Luan vd Berg, Junaide Stewart and Junaide Patensie are all on academic scholarships?
@Tang (Comment #19)
Your neighbours will have a very long register, possibly the longest in RSA.
@Pamos (Comment #17)
Garsfontein gee slegs akademiese beurse. Akademiese prestasie is altyd gekoppel aan die beurs, as die seun goeie rugby kan speel is dit net ‘n bonus.
@Tang (Comment #24)
To state that a rugby bursary is given “solely to glorify a school” is perhaps a bit harsh? Surely there are mutual benefits for both the boy and the school? Whilst the benefit for the school is obvious, the recipient’s access to a well-run school rugby program may well open the door for him should there be an opportunity to pursue rugby as a career. The financial benefit for the boy’s family alone is substantial. Saving 5 years school fees can make a big dent in funding a tertiary qualification after matric.
In many cases you’ll find that where a school runs a successful rugby program, other disciplines (ie. academics) are usually also results-driven. Any environment (school, company, government) which is results-driven has so much more change of creating an environment for its participants to excel and that in itself provides opportunities.
In Afrikaans, there is a saying “sukses kweek sukses”. Just watching Chasing the sun, or even “Rugby of niks” currently on DSTV, quickly showcases many examples where opportunities (call it bursaries, scholarship, OB-sponsors, whatever) where given to young boys, changing the entire course of their lives.
Yes, certain schools may at times be excessive in their approaches and resources allocated to rugby programs, but don’t let those take away from the many success-stories through the years.
I stand with my view however that minor recipients have a right to anonymity should they choose to. A school will in any event not be able to hide it, ie. Kingswood in this case.
Very interesting topic with a massive grey area.
@Tang (Comment #24)
Its a tricky one, as sport is still a key part of a childs education in many ways, and teams that can compete (dont have to be no. 1 or top 10), also brings greater levels of enjoyment, school gees, old boy support, community support etc which in turn helps with the development of other areas. We also need to remember that in the past you top sportsman who was not academic, would at best play club rugby. Now sport is a viable option for boys to launch careers at varsity level (which in itself can mean they get to go to varsity, which they may not have before were it not for a sports bursary), juniour provincial and ultimately professional as well and alignment with the right school, coaches, festivals etc. can give players an opportunity to literally change the course of their entire lives and that of their families. Not all will succeed at academics, but fully agree with you that it needs to be a balance. Anecdotally, some top sports kids are also good academics as well, so they have options as well.
WHO BENEFITS?
Rugby bursaries that are handed out solely to glorify a school divert from the core purpose of educational support. They priortize image and athletic success over academic achievement and student development (especially in the context of South Africa where quality education is critical). When bursaries are handed out for promotional value rather than for genuine student benefit, a culture is created where sporting (especially rugby results) are overvalued. Ask yourself a simple question: Why give a rugby bursary? In my view, recipients of rugby bursaries should not be entitled to anonimty because they are under 18. The school is the beneficiary of such a bursary and every team they play against should be aware of the number of recipients and when the recipients arrived at the school. There is a clear difference between genuine academic bursaries and sports specific bursaries.
KC had this coming
@Wyvern (Comment #18)
Yes I can confirm that the rumour is factual. That is fantastic
@KES Old Boy
But KES recruit at U15, U16 and U17 level don’t they?
@Tang (Comment #19)
Tang, I see where you’re coming from, but we must remember that the ultimate beneficiary is the boy. His affairs as a minor should be handled with due care and sensitivity. Although SBR is run like a professional sport by adults in charge, the players are just kids operating in (sometimes) very unforgiving environments. I fear that laying out the details for all to expose the adults in the room, could become a stick used to scold the children.
But yes, I hear you.
THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC REGISTER
Schools should be compelled to publish a register of acquisitions and losses. We should see school of origin, offer (value of the bursary) and school of destination. Festivals and publications should also be compelled to publish these details in team sheets. It should look like: Player 1 – School x (accepted full bursary in Grade 10) now at School y. If you could see this information, you can start to gauge how much influence acquisitions and losses have on results.
@RuggaFreak (Comment #16)
I heard a rumour that KC is playing a practice match against Queens at the Rec next wknd? Can you confirm?
I understand Kingswood’s point and they are trying everything in their power to ensure that their first team is successful every year. Their lower age groups struggle year in and year out but their 1st XV can compete with the best of them.
But I can also tell you that Kingswood is not the only school approaching boys in grade 10, they are just approaching the teams they play against boys which is now a problem. Just like Durban schools raided EC, Kingswood has raided top Durban schools in the past few years. Garsfontein does it, Bishops have now started doing it too. I would love to see, like there was last year, a lie of the the big moves of students to other schools.
@Dion (Comment #14)
Frustrating cause I would really would love to see Kingswood play Queen’s at the Rec, can’t believe they don’t want to change this behavior, they will have to get used to some interhouse and internal fixtures I guess.
LOTS OF INTERHOUSE RUGBY AT KINGSWOOD
RUGGAFREAK
@KES Oldboy (Comment #12)
sometimes moving from a JHB private, where you are a big fish in a small pond, to KES, where you may just crack the third team is too much for these fragile Gen Z egos
but pray tell – what is a cake league?
Oh – and just by the way, the said kid from the private school has not moved to KES and will not move. So I’ll have to go watch him playing in the “cake league”
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@KES Oldboy (Comment #10)
Agree, it can be very difficult when trying to build a programme up. As many bloggers seem to agree – Grade 7 boys are fair game,but when your first team is struggling it can be hard to attract quality boys into that system. It means schools start going far and wide to find talent, and can then upset those schools in other. Also if they do find good players and develop them, and make a statement with a good u14A or u15A team, those star players then get targted by bigger schools and suddenly they lose them to the bigger schools. It is hard, but agree best to start at grassroots and build up. Takes time though and schools dont like to wait.
@Wyvern (Comment #6)
I am sympathetic to Kingswood to a degree. They are a small school with 280 boys. So they do need to bolster their rugby teams. But they should start in grade 8 and then maybe add a few at U16/7 level with boys that do not come from their “ecosystem”. I believe they recruited 2 Northcliff High School boys into grade 11 – no problem – different ecosystem……
@Skywalker (Comment #7)
You are 100% correct – it is a grey area. A friend of mine’s son is a good rugby player at a private school n Johannesburg which is frustrating him. I’ve “suggested” that he come to KES. And why wouldn’t I? He’s a great kid from a good family and is a good rugby player who is frustrated in his current environment. But then if he did then approach KES, they would be wrong to offer him any sort of “scholarship”. I have it on good authority that they would not. (And I’d be extremely disappointed if they did!)
Kingswood needs catch a wake up, what’s their plan? Only festivals will give them a good enough fixture list, local derbies besides K day look boring and small.
@KES Oldboy (Comment #2)
Agree with what you have said, but it does become blurry when you say “unless they approach you”. Unf. I believe that this can often be promoted by the school through sly conversations to parents on the sidelines or through other boys to inform targeted kids to apply. This way the schools can keep their hands clean and say “they approached us”, but in fact the trigger came from them to strongly hint that they would get a favourable response. Not saying its like this all the time at all. Sometimes it is initiated by the parents or boys themselves of course, but this does happen as well i believe.
Often at the u16 tournaments when boys are not with their schools but now mixed with the best in their age groups, and coaches from rival schools are coaching them now. I am sure a few conversations happen.
Either way, its impossible to tell a child where they can and cant go, so the reality is it does and will happen.
@Ystervark (Comment #4)
To be fair KC did also post their loss to Port Rex last year even though it was a 2nd/3rd team that played due to EP commitments. It was still considered as a 1st XV result and fixture.
Wow at this rate it’s going to be interhouse rugby and Kday on the annual fixture list!
I don’t know if this is true or not, but I was once told that of the applications KC gets for their scholarships etc., the school that had the highest number of applicants was Dale.
Chickens coming home to roost!!!
I don’t think it will be too long before schools who don’t have a dog in this fight pull out of their fixtures out of solidarity with others over these unethical practices.
What people also don’t know is that Kingswood emailed 2 rivals of relatively decent strength late in the week before the games to let them know that if a junior score gets to 50 points the game stops, yet they are very happy to give weak schools 70+ at 1st XV level and publish those scores.
@KES Oldboy (Comment #2)
2nd time Dale cancels this fixture.First in 2018 for the exact same reason.The issue was then resolved and the fixture resumed in 2023…now this again.KC is running out of friends fast.Tragic!
Now the Dalians are gonna miss out on that legendary derby day KC lunch
I’m not sure why it’s taken so long for schools to protest. I suppose when they had the post matric or bridging year, there was nothing anybody could do- the scholarship boys had matriculated & left their schools. But when that stopped 2 or 3 years ago, they had to start recruiting from other schools. There is nothing wrong with recruiting BUT it should e done in grade 7 for boys coming into grade 8. Those boys are fair game. But once boys are at a school they should be left alone unless they approach you & even then, there should be a discussion between headmasters as to why the child is leaving.
POWER OF MONEY
Money dont always buys friends.