Not too much happened this week to affect the top of the table rankings IMHO. There was one huge game at Brug Street in Paarl. The Kwaggas who were already my No.1 team won it but Boishaai did not disgrace themselves and in my books they are still pretty much a Top 10 team, a view that Rugby15.co.za and SASchoolSports.co.za do not seem to share. At least SASchoolsports was able to promote the Kwaggas to No.1 on their list.
Apart from the HJS glitch, the Rugby15 rankings do look solid. Their surprising leaper is Oakdale from Riversdale in the SWD region. Now we know that Oakdale is traditionally a good rugby school and they may be Top 20 material but they did lose an early season game to Daniel Pienaar, so I’m not going to get overexcited about them just yet, even if they did hammer Oudtshoorn by 57-3 over the weekend and have beaten Louis Botha 39-0, Hugenote 14-0 and Diamantveld 19-0 at their Oakdale Festival. Incidentally Nico Malan put 60 past Oudtshoorn in March, so the Struisies are definitely not the yardstick this season. Oakdale has a genuine chance to show their ability against Drostdy this weekend.
On the SASchoolSports list Wynberg is still way to high. Further down the list SACS enjoys a few places advantage over Bishops and Paul Roos, who drew over the weekend. Of this SACS possie I’m not convinced. I say both Bishops and Paul Roos are better teams than SACS. To be fair neither of the three deserves Top 20 status right now. Trintyhouse had a great result against KES but I have a feeling there are three or four KZN schools that would put them away this season. Not a Top 20 school IMHO.
For my own thumbsuck ranking there was one significant result that led to a reshuffle near the top – Klofies’ inability to put Sentraal from Bloem away when coupled with the Pretoria school’s 15-0 result against Louis Botha, suggested to me they should go below Gimmies and Affies this week. Klofies remains national Top 2 material though. Their wins over Boishaai and Nellies are massive results in the context of this season.
I paid careful attention to HTS Middelburg since the Rooibulle were carelessly overlooked in my previous thumbsuck. Amongst their results to date, the big one that SBRer Woltrui pointed out: 38-8 vs Transvalia, a 47-23 drubbing of Florida and a 25-16 win against Klerksdorp. All-in-all good enough for the Top 20 especially that result vs Transvalia.
Weekend losing teams Maritzburg College and Marlow drop out of the Thumbsuck Top 20 this week. I like what Drostdy and Die Brandwag are up to at the moment. I think Paul Roos, even without an x-factor player (like Daniel du Plessis) still showed enough to threaten teams just inside and around the Top 20, as can Bishops. However the final spot in the Top 20 gets handed to Centurion who beat Marlow 39-22 at KES this year and are unbeaten in the NuPower so far.
| Rugby15 | Rugby15 | SA Schools Sports | SA Schools Sports | SBR’s Thumbsuck | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| This week | Last Week | This Week | Last Week | ||||
| 1 | Affies | Affies | 1 | Outeniqua | Affies | 1 | Outeniqua |
| 2 | Outeniqua | Outeniqua | 2 | Affies | Outeniqua | 2 | Grey College |
| 3 | Paarl Gim | Paarl Gim | 3 | EG Jansen | Wynberg | 3 | Paarl Gim |
| 4 | Grey College | Grey College | 4 | Paarl Gim | Garsfontein | 4 | Affies |
| 5 | Monnas | Monnas | 5 | Wynberg | Paarl Gim | 5 | Waterkloof |
| 6 | Waterkloof | Waterkloof | 6 | Grey College | Monnas | 6 | HJS Paarl BH |
| 7 | Garsfontein | Garsfontein | 7 | Waterkloof | Nelspruit | 7 | Monnas |
| 8 | Nelspruit | Nelspruit | 8 | Garsfontein | Grey College | 8 | Garsfontein |
| 9 | EG Jansen | HJS Paarl BH | 9 | Monnas | EG Jansen | 9 | Nelspruit |
| 10 | Noord-Kaap | EG Jansen | 10 | Nelspruit | HJS Paarl BH | 10 | EG Jansen |
| 11 | HJS Paarl BH | Noord-Kaap | 11 | Pretoria BH | Rondebosch | 11 | St Andrews |
| 12 | St Andrews | St Andrews | 12 | Oakdale | St Andrews | 12 | HTS Middelburg |
| 13 | Kearsney | Kearsney | 13 | HTS Middelburg | Pretoria BH | 13 | Transvalia |
| 14 | HTS Middelburg | Paul Roos | 14 | St Andrews | Noord-Kaap | 14 | Noord-Kaap |
| 15 | Oakdale | Wynberg | 15 | Rondebosch | SACS | 15 | Wynberg |
| 16 | Paul Roos | Rondebosch | 16 | Noord-Kaap | Kearsney | 16 | Rondebosch |
| 17 | Wynberg | Grey HS | 17 | HJS Paarl BH | Centurion | 17 | Kearsney |
| 18 | Rondebosch | Pretoria BH | 18 | SACS | Oakdale | 18 | Pretoria BH |
| 19 | Pretoria BH | Centurion | 19 | Kearsney | Grey HS | 19 | Jeppe |
| 20 | Centurion | Drostdy | 20 | Trinityhouse | Menlopark | 20 | Centurion |
| 21 | Grey HS | Transvalia | 21 | Grey HS | Bishops | ||
| 22 | KES | HTS Middelburg | 22 | Centurion | Drostdy | ||
| 23 | Drostdy | Queens | 23 | KES | Marlow | ||
| 24 | SACS | Glenwood | 24 | St Benedicts | Trinityhouse | ||
| 25 | Transvalia | Boland Landbou | 25 | Bishops | Paul Roos | ||
| 26 | St Albans | Marlow | 26 | Drostdy | Maritzburg College | ||
| 27 | Diamantveld | KES | 27 | Paul Roos | Tygerberg | ||
| 28 | Die Brandwag | 28 | Tygerberg | Kes | |||
| 29 | Nico Malan | 29 | Marlow | Selborne | |||
| 30 | Queens | 30 | Menlopark | Eldoraigne |
@Vleis: Westville only started playing College in 87 and that was one of Westville’s better years with Errol Stewart…
@star: Also, did Westville play College in those days and if so, how did they do? If memory serves, College were lethal in the 80’s – best in the country in ’85.
@star: Thanks very much. Did they play Greenside in ’83…or was it ’82?
@ Vleis- 1983 Total 17 W 12 L 4 D1. Beat GW 10-3 and Selbourne 13-12 and had home and away games against Parktown which they won
1984- Total 15 W 10 L 5- Lost to QC 24-35 but beat Kearsney 39 -0. I thought the 33 point margin by Westville in 2010 was a record which is obviously incorrect. Westville lost in both years to DHS as they were extremely competitive in those days.They need to get back to that level.
@star: Also, if there are any interesting results in those years, I would appreciate it if you could let me know. Thanks.
@star: Thanks very much. For each year, can you please list the total games played, won, drawn and lost. Also, can you list their result against Greenside in ’83. Thanks a mil.
@Grasshopper: Definitely 1965.
Dale’s 2 glory decades were the 60s and 90s.
1960s – P180 W145 L21 D14….80.5% win ratio
The 1965 team – P20 W18 L1 D1
1990s – P207 W169 L33 D5…81.6% win ratio
@star: Mick Tingle was at Michaelhourse as was his brother Mark. Mick re-wrote matric at college.
@Gungets Tuft: I wasn’t aware that Mick had had kids. His brother Mark certainly had boys at MHS – finished in about 2006
@star: I thought that Mick Tingle went from MHS to College. His older brother Mark “Sam” Tingle was at MHS. Yup – Colin van heerden survived a mamba bite at Duzi. His son Mark was at MHS recently – finished in either 2008 or 2009 – good sportsman too.
@ Vleis- I have the complete Westville results for 1983/4. What do you specifically want to know?
@Gungets Tuft: 1996 was at College, I remember it clearly and we lost 51-6, absolutely routed! I left feeling very down and out, thinking we have let the school down and were probably the worst side in the schools history, not a great day. Very humiliating. That College side on the day just smashed us! 95 the score was worse and again at Goldstones, lost 61-13, our massive front row of Erasmus and Pardey battled against the much shorter Kelly, Dixon and ?. I don’t think we played 2 games a year in those days….Clint Bruyns, the tiny fullback who had the most worn out jersey from years in the 1st team stood out for me. Luke Lotriet, Trevor Boynton, Gary Van Vuuren…..just a great team…
@Playa: Wow, 1965 was my uncle’s year, he was on the wing and the kicker. They went unbeaten in KZN, winning 14 from 14 and had 7 in the Natal schools side, so that Dale side must have been immense. Are you sure it was 65? I will need to check with my uncle. Otherwise, Dale definitely have the upper hand on us. However, hopefully we can change this in the years to come to at least 50/50 ;-)
@ Engelsman- I wonder how you know that result.
@star: Pretty sure that Mickey Tingle’s son is in Gr 10 at College now.
@Playa: College in 1996 had some good victories (beat Glenwood 55-3 on Dixons but no return that year) but lost 4, away to KES (10-13), DHS (3-17), Affies (9-12) and PBHS (11-19) and drew with House (9-9)
College glory decade was the 80’s. From 1980 to 1990 they played 195, won 173, drew 7, lost just 15. Win % of 89%
@ McCulleys Workshop-Meadows is right. Moon’s son is Josh who played MHS firsts in 2011/12 and was the CW 8th man last year. Interestingly his great uncle played MHS 1sts in 1952 as well as Natal schools and so 3 generations of MHS 1sts and KZN represenation in the family. Not too shabby. The College postmatric was Mickey Tingle and the lock you are referring to was Van Heerden who was almost killed by a snake bite while doing the Duzi.
@meadows: yes Paddys boy
@Vleis:i can help you with a DHS VS Westville 1983, 33-13 to DHS………………………….
@Vleis: can help you with a DHS VS Westville 1983, 33-13 to DHS…………………………..
@Grasshopper: Good old days indeed.The 90s were arguably Dale’s best decade of rugby.
We didnt play College in ’96, thank goodness!I think they had the best side in the country that year.For 2 years running (’95 and ’96) if I’m not mistaken.The last time Dale played College was in 1992, with Dale winning 12-10.
As for Dale-Glenwood games, I believe they’ve played each other 10 times since 1953.Glenwood winning in 1970 (6-18) and 2010 (27-29), and the 24-24 draw in 2012. Dale won in 1953 (6-0), 1965 (5-0), 1976 (21-9), 1988 (6-4), 1991 (38-9), 1995 (52-6) and 1996 (33-21).
@meadows: yes, just checking you are on it!
@McCulleys Workshop: Was the MHS loose forward who played Craven Week last year (2012) not Paddy Moon’s son?
@star: it was Lambie who picked up the ball on the MHS line and scored against Westville at home.
@star: who was the college post matric? Moon – Westville, Frolich – DHS, College – ? Frolich played very little of the season and another of the locks from MHS made craven week. Interestingly enough Moon sent his son to Westville??@star:
@star: who was the college post matric? Moon – Westville, Frolich – DHS, College – ? Frolich played very little of the season and another of the locks from MHS made craven week. Interestingly enough Moon sent his son to Westville??
@ Grassy- I am going to dig up the newspaper article and will revert. I seem to remember it was a huge team effort against all odds. It was at Westville. The next year(1978) La Marque got his revenge and destroyed the Westville team almost by himself.
@star: wow, I interesting info, was that at Westville? Must have been a good Westville side, any well known names?
Sorry the 80’s were better, played 113, won 77, lost 36, 68% win ratio.
In the 70’s Glenwood played 129 games, winning 82, losing 38 and drawing 9. One of our best decades! 64% win ratio :-)
@ Meadows- Westville beat GW for the first time in 1977. I can still remember the look of disbelief on the face of Paul Judkins. As a grade 9 these guys were like in the twilight zone.
@meadows: yeah, 77 Glenwood had an awesome loose trio of Judkins, Watkins and La Marque. Some say Watkins was the best of the three and was unlucky not to have made Natal schools. 78 was great too in Hardie, de Honri and La Marque. Some say these trio’s were the best in KZN of the decade. Would loved to have been there or seen these games on tape, but I was only born in 79!
@Grasshopper: Dereck La Marque was big and strong – outstanding player – but he didn’t have Barker’s mongrel mindset. Paul Judkins was Glenwood’s enforcer at that time. Paul captained Glenwood Old Boys for much of the 80’s and i recall him getting the odd cap for Natal.
@star: Barker’s partner in crime in that ’77 DHS side was Dave Judkins who died on a motorbike in about ’82. Dave’s twin brother Paul was at Glenwood and played Craven Week flank that year.
@meadows: Yes, heard that Barker was an absolute animal! Probably the best schoolboy loose forward out of KZN ever. La Marque vs Barker must have been immense, although La Marque was a year younger I believe. Reece-Edwards at Northlands was also distructive that year. My uncle is a legend at Glenwood having played KZN schools in both 64 and 65, playing at the 1st Craven week.
No adjusted but adjudged! :-)
@Playa: Yep, played mostly 2nd’s and a handful on the bench 1st. Unfortunately I was not on that tour as was in the 3rd’s/2nd’s squad at the time. The 1996 Kokstad game was adjusted the the game of the festival. Dale proved to just have too much pace where and when it mattered most. Both sides played well with Glenwood losing 21-30. An ex-Dale boy in Nic Strauss (ex Sharks) was playing lock/No8 for Glenwood. A real character of a guy and a huge asset to Glenwood when he moved to Durban in his standard 8 year. Dale would have been even better with him. I do remember the name Knickelbein, an all round athlete! Did he make SA schools that year? Did Dale play College that year? College were immense, we lost 51-6 to them an absolute slaughter on Goldstones! The 96 year could do down as the worst in Glenwood history, played 20, won 4, lost 16! In 95 at the St Stithians festival we got hammered by Dale, 52-3. Although we did have numerous injuries from the two games before against St Johns and St Andrews. In 91 we lost 38-9, but had a pretty good season as it was the 1st game of the season. Since then I think Glenwood have drawn in 2012 and may have won a game before that. Dale must have had a great 90’s with those sort of results. Glenwood were always competitive up front with big packs but our backs always let us down……..good old days with fond memories…
I remember Barker taking out the Westville kicker in 1977. From the kickoff he called for the ball and a knee to the head by Barker meant he did not know who he was for 2 weeks. It was an assasination. I had great fun with my brother over that period as it was not often that I was in control.
@Gungets Tuft: It’s the Weskus Boetie, 3/4’s, hoodies, heavy surf in a cold rugged setting and nada grey suits. Only for those that like it when the gungets tuft.
@meadows: Yes, Windhoek Hoerskool were at Saints (I think?) and did reasonably well, beating the hosts by about ten points, thumping St Benedict’s and losing narrowly to SACS. The Elnatan loss is a bit more perplexing.
As you say, the Glenwood game will start to paint a clearer picture.
@Vleis: Mixed bag indeed – i believe it was meant to be a 1st & 2nds squad tour – so dont know which combinations played against which opposition. it will be interesting to see how they go against Glenwood on saturday – I happened to be down there and went along to watch them play Northwood which was a little one sided. Glenwood will provide a far better measure one way or another.
Just looked again and see that they are now out:
Tour of Namibia 1st
Windhoek Hoerskool – Lost 13 18
HTS Windhoek – Won 41 5
Walvis Bay – Won 48 5
Elnatan – Lost 13 15
Walvis Baai – Won 68 10
Swakopmund Combined – Won 26 23
Mixed bag there. I’m not sure how strong Windhoek Hoerskool and Elnatan are. Also, on these tours all the players must get a run, so who knows in which games the 1sts or 2nds (or mixed) got a run.
@meadows: I looked on the website, but no results were listed for the tour to Namibia – only a short paragraph that the tour had taken place. However, in the same article, they mentioned the u15’s successful ISRF tour and listed all the results. Sounds ominous.
My son was practicing his kicking on your 1st team field on Sunday. Very impressive school…but the grass needed a cut!
@Vleis: No idea – I’ll try and find out – results should be on the school website.
@meadows: How did MH do on their tour to Namibia?
@Grasshopper: Graham Downes was a bit older than Mike Barker. i think Graham was two years older than his brother Simon who matriculated at DHS in 1976 – so i think he was ’74. Barker only finished school in ’78 when he made SA Schools. Barker was a frightening sight on a schoolboy rugby field and had the mongrel to go with his size. “Basher” Downes was a misnomer in that sense – a good solid prop but a gentleman.
Barker eventually got so big in the gym that he was shifted from loose forward to the front row at Collegians. He went on to get Springbok colours for powerlifting.
@Ploegskaar: Hopefully the way everything glows a sort of nuclear blue also puts off Mr Greycoat. Can’t say I every feel confortable in the water lapa side.
@Grasshopper: You played in 1996? You would have received a rugby lesson from Dale (at Kostad Festival, I think) that year, Terence Knicklebein and the boys. A close affair in ’96, the score was 33-21 if memory serves think. A huge improvement from the 52-6 punishment we handed you in ’95
@Grasshopper: Mark Richards and Ruan Combrinck were also overlooked for Craven Week and played for the Academy side. A travesty that had nothing to do with rugby ability. Combrinck at least played CW the following year when Richards was playing in the Sharks U19 side, along with Kyle Cooper, that won the U19 Currie Cup
@star: Correct – westville supplied at least 3 forwards to the CW side including Chadwick and Brynard Stander and one of the locks as well as two utility backs. I remember that game at Westville. Westville had a good side and MHS had very little ball but took their few chances to score 3 tries – think you are right that Richards scored the length of the field one that took the game out of Westville’s reach – Westville also went up to the KES tournament that easter and beat Waterkloof.
@meadows: yep, just Muir made the A team as vice captain but about 7 made the Academy side. Pearton and Arlow made a great half back combo. Cooper shows you don’t have to make Craven week to do well, he is far ahead of Muir now….although Muir is still a very good player!
@Grasshopper: it was Coopers year although he was a loose forward then and did not make the Craven Week side. Dean Muir was the hooker and Glenwood’s only CW rep. I remember Glenwood having an excellent side in 2008 (Pearton, Zungu, Smith, Kleynhans & Malton etc). that was the year they drew at MHS.
@meadows: Hmm 2007 was Kyle Cooper’s year, also quite strong for Glenwood, we beat College 19-12, DHS 13-6, Kearsney 19-9, Voortrekker 38-5, George Campbell 21-0 but got hammered by Affies 48-10 in Pretoria. Dean Muir, Steen Smith, Storm Pearton, Andrich Arlow, Ruan Burr-Dixon, Allen Zungu, Larry Mnchunu, Msizi Ngcongo, Marinus Coetzee all good players that year so it would have been our forwards vs MHS backs, interesting…
@star: Thanks. If they give me a hard time, I’ll set you on them…maybe flush their heads down the loo for old times sakes!
@ Meadows- in 2007 was that year where the KZN CW pack was Westville( Chadwick’s year) and the backline House. I seem to remember the game at Westville where Westville were camped on the House line and I think it was Richards who intercepted and scored the winning try.
@ Vleis- I will see what I can do . Your mates would have been my lighties as I matriculated in 1981.
@meadows: Great stuff, as a player and the DHS side he was in? My uncle talks of him and Barker with a smile on his face…
@Grasshopper: in what sense? He is living in California where he practises as an architect. He has been there since the late 80’s i think. His brother Simon (played craven week in ’76) is still in Durban.
@meadows: Murray did not finish school at College if I am not mistaken. I believe he finished at Howick, head boy there. We claim him though.
@Grasshopper: I’m biased but i’d like to think the ratio would look a bit better for MHS since 2000 if the 2006 & 2007 games had not been cancelled (teachers strikes and flu if I recall).
The 2007 side in particular was talented – lost once to College on Goldstones (missing Lambie and Ross Cronje to the SA Schools game) scoring an average of 4 tries a game and provided 6 of the Craven week side (5 backs) and several to the Academy week including wings Mark Richards and Ruan Combrinck who went on to play senior provincial rugby. 8 of that side went on to play provincial rugby after school including 1 Springbok (Lambie), 1 7’s Bok (Richards) and 3 SA U20 players.
@star: @Grasshopper: Do any of you have Westville’s results for the ’83 and ’84 seasons? I have a few mates who went there at such time, so I need to confirm just how good they were…before the next braai.
I remember my school losing to them by a point or two in ’83. As you can imagine, this has me on the back foot at said braais – especially given that it was our only meeting in history – i.e. played one, lost one!
. That said, it was away from home for us and our ’83 team was average, while I’m told that the Westville ’83 team was one of their better ones.
@meadows: Thoughts on Graham ‘Basher’ Downs?
@Gungets Tuft: I believe he is farming on the south coast. He may not have been (or even looked 21 in retrospect) but to a 17 year old in 1977 he looked about 30! He would be positively tiny compared to many schoolboy front rows today though!
to say nothing of a prop like Murray Dawson – cant recall his year but I remember him playing in the front row for Natal in the mid 80’s.
@meadows: Glenwood vs Michaelhouse since 2000;
Vs Michaelhouse – Played (9) – Won (5) – Lost (3) – Drawn (1) – 55% win rate, not great but better than the 90’s.
Since 1933
vs Michaelhouse
Played: 83
Won: 34
Lost: 47
Drawn: 2
% Win: 41%
Michaelhouse have the upper hand there!
@star: I am sure that is right – I’m not disputing for a second that post matrics strengthened sides but sides were not full of them and I dont believe that teams from College and DHS especially were on average younger or smaller at that time. The results i think bear that out – a MHS win against either was a rare feat.
@Gungets Tuft: Localism much? Will be a bit pressed for time getting to D’Urban (after the Landbou game in agter-Paarl), even for an arvi. Unfortunately not my time-share turn on the private jet this weekend and the 40′ Princess is rather built for pleasure than racing. Will get down to my local, Melkbos (close to the Koeberg Nuclear Plant), to surf some leftover scraps from the front though. If ever down here, I will take you there, it is oddly devoid of any fauna and flora (which may explain the testicle between my one eye and nose) but has thrown up same epic surf over the past 30 years that I’ve surfed there (works in almost any wind apart from a straight westerly).
@star: Us ref’s have a sub society called the 22-Club. You become an automatic member when a try is scored and you are still outside the 22m area. I was given honourary life membership last year…..
@meadows: Bullo Lindsay failed once – Matric. He might have turned 20 right at end of that year but that was after the rugby season. Bullo would probably tell you he was not the best scholar, so it was not for rugby that he did not finish school. He is now a hellova successful farmer (has a damn empire), so it has not affected his ability to succeed.
If you take a look at the photos of him at school he certainly does not look 21.
@ Meadows- in 1979 3 postmatrics (from College,Westvile and DHS) arrived at MHS and went on play CW (except the DHS lock who broke his leg although he was selected.) Surely the MHS results were better for having had them play.
@The Beast: At the rate that we’re losing players, we may as well go shopping there again for next year
It’s gonna be a long year indeed.
@meadows: Totally agree with you, this matches my views on it. I played in 96 when Michaelhouse had all those ex Grey boys, a brilliant fullback and Lister-James at lock etc. Because of the mismatch Glenwood introduced post matric in 1997, with about 5 boys coming back to do Varsity College/Unisa degrees. They had to be 17 in matric though so ruled out a few. This then expanded to about 8 in 1998 when Glenwood got the services of a great Pinetown flank in Malcolm Aeirington. College introduced post in 1996, I think as Glenwood lock Rudi de Vry went across there for his cricket and rugby skills. By about 1999 I think most schools had a few to keep up and it was probably then it was scrapped. Results vs Michaelhouse in my day;
1991 – lost 9-15
1992 – lost 3-39
1993 – lost 6-10 (one of the best schoolboy games I have seen, David vs Goliath. Glenwood was ahead 6-5 until the last secs. Glenwood were attacking the MHS 22, kicked possession away and MHS counter attacked running the length of the field to score a brilliant try. 16 year olds vs 19 year olds in some match ups)
1994 – lost 9-40
1995 – drew 18-18 (our flyhalf missed a last sec kick to win it, Bronsen Dreyer was his name will never forget)
1996 – lost 16-37
The 90’s were our worst decade, very tough! Goof luck to both sides on Saturday, will be tough in the wet and cold…
@Grasshopper: Post matric was concieved initially, not to as a rugby strategy, but a way to accomodate boys leaving school at 17 who were thought by their parents etc as too immature to head out into the big wide world. When i finished school in the 70’s, I like the majority matriculated at 17. By about 1981 this had changed and many matriculants were 18 in their final year. in my era there was no upper age limit at Craven Week (U18 is a relatively new development – late 2000’s).
There is no doubt that at some point the post matric gap began to be exploited by some and teams started to have more than the historic 2-3 poat matrics, culminating in the year in the late 1990’s when a MHS old boy funded half of the previous years Grey 1stXV to do post Matric at the school. The return fixture against Hilton was cancelled and the vast majority of parents and old boys were up in arms. The excercise was never allowed to be repeated and eventually post matric was stopped altogether in about 2003.
I cant speak for the 80’s and 90’s but in the 70’s the bulk of the Craven week side was made up of boys older than the then average matriculation age of 17.
By way of example, Mike Barker (DHS), turned 18 in 1977 when he first made Craven Week and was 19 when he was picked for SA Schools in 1978. Dereck La Marque (Glenwood) likewise was 19 when he played SA Schools in 1979. I have no idea how old Paul Lindsay (College) was when he played SA Schools for the third time in 1977 but we all thought that he was at least 21!
Even the great Danie Gerber who played SA Schools from 75-77 was 19 in 1977. He at least was so talented that he made the side at 17 – a rare feat.
In short I dont think that a few 18 yr old post matrics in the 70’s gave the private schools any advantage and in fact my recollection was of College and DHS in particular fielding the much bigger sides along with schools like Voortrekker and Port Natal who are not the force that they used to be.
@Ploegskaar: Sunday is going to cook. Swells from 2.3 to 3m, westerly coming in from 6am. Morning is going to be the best. Unless you are local New Pier will not be open to you but it is going to thump all the way across so Addington, Wedge, South all good. See you down there??
@The Beast: Established 1910, do the maths. Yes, maybe not called Glenwood High but many schools started out with different names. You may have noticed we celebrated 100 years about 3 years ago now…
@star: Maybe he should use a SUP
@ Ploegskaar-too true. But not good news for Greenblooded who will be running around in a bog. I hope he keeps up with play and is able to make those all important calls close to the line when there is a potential double movement
@star: Great news! Me and a kneelo-mate discussed it this morning in the office after reading about it on the Wavescape site. With this front that has just passed over CT, Durban will not be a bad place to be though this weekend, maybe some pits at New Pier in the offing.
@ Greenblooded- I will certainly be around and looking forward to some tough matches. The only problem is that you will most probably be reffing the U14A or U15A which is the same time that my boy plays on the top fields.I might take a gap though and break the house rules by shouting at the “blind” ref
Bring your waterproofs though as a cold front is moving in.
On a separate note a mate of mine who fell off a boat on a surfing trip in Indonesia was found after 27 hours at sea. He was picked up by some Aussies and in true Westville/KZN spirit is now back on TOUR. As the song goes-“we will survive” .
@The Beast: ****?? What is a “****”? I somme volunteerd my opinion 8)
@Woltrui: Who asked your opinion ****?
@Grasshopper: Everybody respects Glenwood and Glenwood’s rugby, their ice skating and all, they just do not respect you or your cronies views, now go and ****
We all know how great Glenwood is but you are singularly going to be repsonsible for no new kids going there, you are like a stuck record. You don’t even watch them play every weekend, oh sorry I forgot Gramps beams it through on a live feed with 7 camera views and running commentary.
You were definitely the kid who was raved upon when you were at school.
???????/ Should read “hear” criticism—
@The Beast: *** off Beast. Leave our friend Hopper in peace. I know a good hacker that will be able to get your ID to Hopper. Hopper is going to cut your totti off
@BoishaaiPa: On the contrary. I always use two well known products produced by GCB- Bram Fischer and Robey Leibrandt and every conceivable opinion in between. No institution in SA has permitted and encouraged more freedom of thought and expression than GCB. Just as a matter of interest, do you know that the current No. 7 of the Cheetahs, is the latters grandson? The difference is this. When it comes to the school, it is seldom that you here criticism in public. Its like a marrige- if there are disagreements or differences, it is sorted out behind closed doors. But I do wish that more bloggers from the FS would express themselves here, even like Sweet elsewhere who “shouted” his comments by using higher casings. I never thought the day would come where I would stand up for Sentraal !
@Grasshopper: 79 Yrs old Hopper, is relatively new.
@Tjoppa: I stated many times Glenwood is not a traditional powerhouse rugby school, the whole of the previous century we were mediocre at rugby at best, with a sprinkling of very good years, 1964, 1965, 1979 etc. We probably rank 5th in KZN for overall success there. We didn’t really compete with the traditional rugby powerhouses like Grey, Paarl Gim, Paarl Boys, Paul Roos etc as we would have been smashed. Us Glenwood old boys are just proud of the massive step up we have made to be even considered as a small threat or competition to those schools is an honour. Now we are an old institution and not just new kids on the block so do deserve some respect. We are proud to have beaten some of the best so have the right to promote it. Beating Paarl Gim at Under15 level is a first and significant event for us. KZN schools are not the same class as some provinces but we catching quick….
@Tjoppa: As per your nickname, you are a tjop!!!! Without the pa!!!!
Only people who speak sense are Bog and the old coot from Paarl, Boishaaipa.
@Playa: Seems like it gonna be a long year without those Zimbos this year?
When is my brother Andre T coming back to help me a little?
@star: Agree
@GreenBlooded: I agree on all terms. Maybe trying to express myself in English is not working. Think you have a wonderfull school and children. I visited your school six times and loved every minute of it. However Glenwood has made, according to me, a few big mistakes in trying to compete with the cream of SA’s rugby schools. The why, how and success is debatable. But it did not work. So we like Glenwood but have a few gripes.
But we dislike people who can not accept the fact that Glenwood has a long way to go and shout at everybody that does not agree with his sentiments.
@Grasshopper: Its time the Observer came along and showed us that wonderful Movember look of yours Hoppy!!!1
@BOG: Thats just because nothing is going on around there to talk about!…And the only reps in the area are from one school who all sing from the same hymn book governed by the OG rules!..Boring!…
@GreenBlooded: Definitely a blind ref who never saw that Bishops try.
@Gungets Tuft:
@Grasshopper:
@Gungets Tuft:
@GreenBlooded: hahah, I thought you did pretty well at KERF, maybe a promotion around the corner? Yeah, for me I will be looking out for the PBHS vs Westville and Glenwood vs Michaelhouse scores with a close eye on twitter. College should be a little too powerful for DHS, but you never know. I think I’ll drift across to Bishops vs Boishaai as I don’t really want to make the trek out to see BL vs Wynberg which should be a cracker, especially in this wet bog we have in the Cape at the moment…
Note to self – never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty but the pig likes it.
@star: Are you looking forward to PBHS on the weekend? Had the pleasure of watching them in Pretoria last week. If you are around you might just see a very poor blind ref doing his thing on one of the bottom fields. Stop and say hello if you do.
@ Beast- You have crossed the line. Whatever you may think of the GW supporters the school and more importantly the boys do not deserve that.
@Grasshopper: Best you don’t I might get myself kicked to death by a locust, thats normally what you guys do in a dispute……..or what??
@The Beast: Gosh, never knew someone could be so far down in the gutter as someone like you who get’s kicks out of stirring people up and starting personal vendetta’s. I’m not going to waste my time and energy on a complete waste of space….
@GreenBlooded: Maybe a case of confusion with all the pooh thrown round here, BUT, those comments about KC beating BL easily does not help, at all. I for one am not happy about how they lost that game, going on feed-back from fellow-supporters that were there and after all the effort of the travel and related expenses some people are just downright fucked-off and disillusioned with what transpired. Confidence is 50% of the game won, and sadly that game has turned what should have been a 4/5 season to date to a 2/5 season.
@GreenBlooded: Yip like your refereeing, MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
@Grasshopper: Oh my word, me the idiot, watch I don’t cry to Beet now like yoou did a few months ago.wahahahaha.
You are a Locust Grasshopper Insect, a plague, who had the worst Movember moustache ever seen. Who are you watching this weekend or are you finally gonna start breeding some more locusts, that’s what normal new married couples do.
Signed: Marcy!!!!!!
PS. Blind ref = Greenblooded
Just a point on sports bursaries. They are not all the same value. One school might give a 160% bursary(60% is pocket money and incidentals) and another a 25%. (which is more than 6 times less). So to compare one school to another on pure numbers is misleading.I have also stated before I am dead against any bursary over 100% as that leads to bartering and turns our kids into nothing more than commodities.My blood still runs cold.
This is becoming like the weather report. A handbag fight moved over the WC in January, firmly established itself in Pretoria, and after some severe blows, has now moved to Durban. There are no signs of letting up and it is anticipated that this high pressure situation will continue for at least another month. In its wake, we see the usual calmness over the garden province of SA, the Free State- calm and tranquility .
@Ploegskaar: Yikes – maybe a case of mistaken identity. I thought I saw a few comments from you jumping on the bandwagon. Humble apologies if I was mistaken. Likewise – I think you have me confused with someone else, I’ve never said anything about BL – in fact I was in awe of them at the KERF. Peace and Love dude……….
@The Beast: I don’t often respond to your inane comments – you are just a common blog-troll who’s only objective is stir up k@k. However you have at least made one valid statement in your last post – the first in ages: I am a very poor referee.
Whooooosa!!!
@The Beast: You obviously don’t read or are selective, the top 20 I put up was a cut and paste from the rugby365 site, idiot! Clown! I have noted plenty of times that I think Kearsney are the top KZN side and should end up top in KZN this season, look for the chat I had with Buffel, idiot!
@McCulleys Workshop: Boet, Glenwood didn’t lie about his age the boy or man did. Glenwood could only go on the documentation that was provided and up until then ID books were considered sufficient, only since him and Payi were caught are schools now delving deeper. Glenwood did not knowingly play an overaged player it’s just not part of their ethos and basic morals. The boys should have been charged for a criminal offence, but it seems no one did. This could have happened to any school and probably still occurs in other provinces, Glenwood and DHS were just unlucky to be the scape goats this time. Nothing much is said about Payi and DHS, but Glenwood are continually tarnished the school with over aged players, plural which it isn’t. This sort of thing will stick for a while which is very disappointing. As for scrapping those results, then fine our best seasons were when Tom wasn’t playing so go for it, will never happen. I hope Tom’s name has been stripped from the Glenwood honours board as it sits near to my family name which I don’t want tarnished. As for College having overaged players, not sure this is true and nothing has been proven. So you are saying that post matrics were OK and it was OK because other schools had players who were older and failed a few years? Well lets just say when I played we had no boys over 18 and all had not failed a year, but we played against a massive Michaelhouse pack with 4×19 year olds and I was 17, is that fair? Maybe in the 60’s and 70’s boys who had failed were allowed to play, my dad who was at DHS admitted it was the norm. Not sure you can La Marque was overaged as he would have been checked at SA schools trials, but not sure if they had any rules with age back then. My uncle was at DHS in the late 70’s and he said Barker played about 4 years 1st team but not sure again if that was due to him being so good or for failing a few year. Anyway, it seems there has always been a school doing something sneaky be it post matric, buying players, playing kids who had failed etc……it’s not good hence why I have said there needs to be some national rules in place that are checked annually…
@GreenBlooded: You sound like a poor referee anyway with that daft statement that the Bishops try against PBHS was ummmm not clear. Typical ref comment.
I dont hate Glenwood, I detest their supporters cos they are one eyed freaks in my mind, Hopper put a ranking list up here without Kearsney, why??? Cos he is so damn jealous of anything that went to a pvt school, it’s the proverbial chip on the shoulder. No pvt school is a waste of money and pvt schools do not just dish out bursaries willy nilly.
100 boys on scholarship at Michaelhouse would cost R20Bar, 100 boys on scholarship at Glenwood would cost R2.5Bar, do you honestly think Michaelhouse are going to burn R20 Bar per annum when they have boys on waiting lists to come to the school?
Please stop being a clown and making a nit of urself on a daily basis and get over the fact that all the pvt schools in Natal will always be better than Glenwood as a school.
@McCulleys Workshop: In fact, you have a lot to explain.
“the main protagonists of re-writing matric to play another year of rugby were College, Glenwood etc”.
There were some failures in matric but your statement makes it sound as if 1/2 the first team were repeats. I can remember 3 in the 70’s. Anderson, Lindsay and one other who’s name escapes me at present and he repeated Std9 (Grade 11), and he was the smallest hooker in College history (but also made Skonks team of the Century).
College resistsed the Post Matric saga, and in fact it probably cost Dudley Forde his job as head of College due to the stance he took. The private schools started it, with kids doing Unisa Degrees under the auspices of the school but playing rugby. Standa up House and Hilton.
You can safely stop mentioning College in the over-age saga as well as the post-matric unless you are going to start being specific.
@McCulleys Workshop: College players overage??
Beg to differ boet. Best you provide some backup for that statement.
@GreenBlooded: Sorry bud, but you will have to be a bit more specific about classing me with that lot. Apart from not getting on with you for some reason on this blog (which admittedly deteriorated further this year because of the little jabs at BL and the fact that you seem to take pleasure from their losses) I do not have a problem with Glenwood, their bloggers, or any other school for that matter. If there are any issues with me or about what I say, this is the opportunity to clear the air.
@Tjoppa: Something for you and your fellow Glenwood haters to think about:
1. There is not a whole lot of difference between the average Glenwood boy and the average boy from every other school. They like music, sport and girls and mostly have the same hopes, dreams and fears as boys from other schools.
2. Glenwood boys are right up there with the best of them in most spheres of achievement.
3. Glenwood boys are probably the most respectful and friendly boys you will find – others on this forum have noted the high standard of manners and respect they have experienced from Glenwood boys.
4. I challenge you to find ONE Glenwood boy who is not fiercely proud of his school.
5. Glenwood itself has to be one of the most hospitable and friendly schools to visit. Anyone who visits Glenwood feels at home. I have visited some schools were I felt so unwelcome I couldn’t wait to leave. You will never feel like that as a visitor to Glenwood.
Not really much to hate about Glenwood boys when you think about it. So Tjoppa, Beast, Ploeg and the other Glenwood haters – why is it that you hate these ordinary boys in their Glenwood blazers? Shame on you.
@Tjoppa: you are completely wrong, I like ALL schoolboy rugby and support the success of ALL schools, anybody who knows me will know that. I travelled out from Cape Town to Paarl last weekend to watch Boishaai vs Kwaggas and sent updates on scores. I could easily have been lazy and walked across the road to Bosch vs Berg but I wanted to experience a Paarl game. I am a passionate Glenwood Old boy but not blinded, case closed….
@BOG: Jy glo my nie. Ek woon in Tswane so nog donker en met die winter wat besig is om vatplek te kry. Die voeltjies se hoes darem nog nie so steurend nie. En daar langs die Hennops byt die vis al.
@Tjoppa: Wysheid en insig is natuurlik vir jou n vreemde konsep, of hoe? Hoe is die weer in Klerksdorp vanoggend?
@BoishaaiPa: Al daai netbal maak jou ‘n ou suur bal ne. Volg die thread van die gesprek dan sal jy sien dat dit gaan oor die “great rugby schools” wat Glenwood al gewen het. Dit is lekker vroeg en dit reen seker daar by julle. Gaan buite toe en oefen jou doelskiet tegnieke. Lees asb lees.
@jakkie: Jy speel seker met Grey op no 2. Regtig ?
@Grasshopper: We are talking about Glenwood are we not. You are crying why nobody like Glenwood. I am telling you why. Oh yes the last thing why we do not like Glenwood is because supporters like you that keep on whining the whole bloody day and do not want to see the sun shine on others.
@McCulleys Workshop: Your name gives away your age, unless you got it from your dad. It certainly takes me back to my misspent youth at Stellenbosch. Listened to Mike Mc Culley and his band, called Mc Culleys Workshop, at Jonkershoek and many times at the old Clifton Hotel. They had a number of big hits in SA.
@Grasshopper: in the late 90’s Michaelhouse had an Old Boy who funded 4 post matrics annually, all from other schools. Generally two were rugby players, although there may have been boys who had matriculated at the school who did a post matric. Generally 80% of the side consisted of matrics. This wasn’t unique to Michaelhouse, College had a post matric, as did other schools. Yet since post matric has been discontinued, look at the results of a school like Michaelhouse, producing great rugby and competing successfully, and not because of Grade 10 acquisitions. Meadows is correct, there aren’t 20 sports scholarships a year, but two as I understand it, and possibly some minor scholarships. A the cost of R200,000 a year, the risk of sponsoring a large group of boys who don’t continue to achieve as well as the unfair pressure placed on them and their parents has to be taken into consideration, as well as the entire ethos of a school, and WIN AT ALL COSTS mentality.
PS Ask any Hilton, St Andrews, Bishops or Michaelhouse Old Boy if the fees were worth it or a waste, and there’s your answer.
@Grasshopper: you’ve missed Beasts point entirely, lying about your age and creating false ID’s is criminal/fraudulent, at least. When the player was playing Grant Khomo for KZN (or Glenwood for that matter) he was 20/21 not 16 as we’re the other boys – big physical difference. The same applies to the DHS, Westville and College players who were found to be over age (or any other school for that matter). So I agree with beast, those results were tainted, including the Grant Khomo and Craven Week results. Playing post matrics was never lying, cheating or illegal, period. As I recollect from school days, the main protagonists of re-writing matric to play another year of rugby were College, Glenwood etc, which in itself wasn’t fraudulent or illegal, just rather stupid. Michaelhouse did’nt allow re- writes in the 70’s and 80’s. I find it hard to understand the complaint about post matric’s, knowing that many government schools allowed sports stars to re-write matric, and never saw a small Glenwood, DHS, College pack, not with the likes of Lamarque, Barker and company.
@Vleis: It’s a fallacy to think that the privates need to fund R160k. That might be the fee for a year but I am sure that part of the fees paid by the full fee paying parents go towards bursaries. Remember also that there is an acceptance fee that the privates charge. I think MHS charged R22.5k this year. I am sure that part of this amount will be used to fund bursaries.
@Grasshopper: I agree with meadows. Most of the private schools that I know of, do not offer any rugby scholarships – only a couple of cricket ones, at most. St Stithians changed that trend this year, which is why their u14 rugby side is so highly rated.
As far as I am aware, it is often (mostly?) the Old Boys who fund the sports scholarships at Govt schools. The only private school that I know of where Old Boy’s empty their pockets re sport is Hilton. Bear in mind also that it is a lot easier to fund R25k than it is to fund R160k.
@meadows: maybe Glenwood does, but 40 in total. Westville give out close to 60! Michaelhouse give out more than that but call them something else, I had two good mates there on scholarships. Maybe they try and get academics good at sport. Also with the fees so high it’s only obvious the best of the rich go there, I mean just imagine having 2 boys there over 400k a year, crazy! I do pretty well but 200k a year is a waste. Anyway, I have nothing against Michaelhouse, great school with great facilities and produced some excellent players. Love the rivalry between House and Glenwood. I unfortunately played in the post matric error when we had no chance against Michaelhouse with plenty of imports.
@Grasshopper: the fundamental flaw in your argument is the assumption that MHs (cant speak for the others) give out bursaries to that level. MHS award two sports scholarships a year in grade 8. The 2007 side that was a top 10 side and the highest ranked natal side on all the ranking systems did not havce one boy on a sports scholarship. The 2008 side which had similar rankings and results – both had 6 Craven Week reps – both were 5 or 6 on the rankings – had 2 boys on bursaries.
the only school I am aware of in natal that gives out bursaries to 20 + rugby players a year is Glenwood
@meadows: boet, huge difference between a private school like Hilton, Michaelhouse and Kearsney vs Marlow, Boland Landbou etc, numbers being the only similarity rarely and maybe rural location. The privates have reputation and money to build great A teams, all the privates need to do to compete is get 22 of the best rugga boys in grade 8, it’s quality vs quantity at the privates. Gov schools have upped the bursaries to compete, but in the end a private bursary will always top a gov one. The govs have the depth yes so if injuries occur they are better placed, however the privates usually get the cream. Kearsney have the cream currently….
@BoishaaiPa: nope, 2012 was an experienced year with only 4 grade 11’s in the side hence the expectation in 2012. Those 18 left so we now have an inexperienced year with 11 boys in matric and the other 11 boys in grade 11. We were lucky that many of the grade 11’s in 2012 played 2nds and 3rds so came up. I reckon a squad with 75% or more matrices is experienced and 50% or less as inexperienced, just my view!
@Ploegskaar: I agree on Landbou – they had an excellent U16 side at Gimmies festival in 2005 – Marlow is another small agricultural school that produce competitive teams – sure there are a few others
@Grasshopper: At age group level we struggled against Glenwood and now those boys are gaining valuable experience playing 1XV rugby. The pace is probably the biggest adjustment but next year they will have all that under the belt. We will have a competitive side and hopefully give the big 3 a run for thier money . This year Kearsney are having a very good run and now with the return of the twins should be difficult to beat. The positive is that the KEARSNEY 2XV will have a couple of boys that have been on tour to Namibia and the easter festival experience to fall back on coming down. They play Clifton 1stXV and should be an entertaining game. Looking forward to the local season at last.
@Tjoppa: lekka Tjoppa!
BEAST – NO COMMENT.
@meadows: And that would be 350 in the case of Boland Landbou, Sir, and although most play rugby (16 teams mostly, even 18 when they play the Blue and White hoops sometimes), all boere are not good rugby players, mostly good forwards, so a small player pool and no feeder school to boot. Great gees, always, but always the underdog.
@Buffel: Easter festivals are often the only practical opportunity smaller schools have to play against the big schools of 1000+ boys. A school needs to have that sort of size to provide a Grey or Affies with a full set of fixtures – even what i consider to be an outstanding rugby school like Paarl Gim cannot do that.
@Grasshopper: I am sorry but I do not agree with your assertion that 500 odd boys if they are boarders have an advantage or even parity with a school of 1200+.
I think that the results over time speak for themselves. A school like MHS can usually put out 4-5 age group sides BUT are only really competitive against even their bigger traditional Natal opponents (College, Westville, Glenwood & DHS historically) at A and sometimes B team levels. There is always a small group who do not or cannot play sport and hockey is relatively popular.
There is a general lack of depth. The 2005 MHS side illustrate this point well. They had probably the best pack in Kzn with 3 Craven Week players including Pat Cilliers and Mike Rhodes but had no backs and were forced to play with 3-4 U16 players in the backline and consequently had a mediocre season (although they did beat Glenwood in Durban :lol:). The same U16’s who struggled at 1st XV level in 2005 went on to form a potent backline in the very good 2007 side that lost once notwistanding living off scraps of possesion for most of the year.
I agree that skills are honed playing touch and contact rugby day in and out. I also think that this in a good year, with enough talent available and good coaching, allows a relatively small school like MHS to punch above their weight and produce a top 10 team (2007-8 and 2012) but this is not sustainable year in and out.
@Grasshopper: Explain just one thing to me..every year you guys have a young team full of Gr11’s..then you expect the next to be a great year…what happend to last years gr11’s?..did they not make the team this year?
@Tjoppa: Miskien ken jy nie Wes-Kaap rugby geskiedenis so goed nie, maar Boishaai het al meer vir PRG gewen as andersom…in 2011 kon PRG nie een o/19 game wen nie…Dit gaan nie net oor die laaste 10 jaar nie..rugby kom al baie langer aan as dit en dan feature Waterkloof glad nie..Jy het ook van Gim vergeet..en Bishops…en Queens….ongelukkig is skolerugby nie net 10 jaar oud nie en in die laaste 10 is Gim beslis een van hulle.
@Grasshopper: My only objection is the absence of Kearsney.
@jakkie: 365 ranking does look pretty spot on;
1. Outeniqua
2. Grey College of Bloemfontein
3. Paarl Gim
4. Affies
5. Garsfontein
6. Monument
7. Waterkloof
8. Paarl Boys’ High
9. Dr EG Jansen
10. St Andrew’s College of Grahamstown
11. Die Brandwag
12. Pretoria Boys High
13. Nelspruit
14. Noord-Kaap
15. Transvalia
16. Drostdy
17. Sentraal
18. Diamantveld
19. Centurion
20. Marlow
Ek dink ‘n baie beter en dalk meer akkurate Top20, is RUGBY365 se nuutste top20.
@The Beast: hahahaha, yes when every other school in SA can prove all their kids were proper age over the years, there were a couple of suspect players at the festivals I watched. That would be like saying remove all the results of the Boks when Beast played and he was actual a Zimbo….idiotic statement…maybe we shoudl just remove all results of schools who had post matrics or even go far as removing results from the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s when most schools had boys who had failed a few years and playing 1st team at 21…….one player does not make a team and our ‘man’ was on the wing and weighed about 70kg!
@The Beast: Nope, half of the 1st team, get you facts straight…2012 played 23, won 14, lost 6, drew 3, 61% win rate, not a great season but we had plenty of off field issues…….again keep on kicking…
@The Beast: Very selective vision, our Under15’s beat Paarl Gim, now are you going to say they are useless. Also most the games were close losses whilst playing away from home on the other teams home grounds. Had the festival been in Durban the close losses against very good opposition could have been reverted…
Should all the games played by Glenwood over the period of having an over aged player not to be struck from the record?
@Grasshopper: I must say for a onceTechnical School you guys are not bad, you are in fact only 79 years old. Buffel dont let my deep love for Kearsney now get tainted cos you wanna rub the Hopper’s butt…….chill.
I see your u/16s managed to beat the “mighty” Rustenburg well done, the future of your rugby is truly in good hands and those 11 Grade 11’s coming back, did your whole First XV from 2011 not also return in 2012? That was the “young” side, how did they do?
@Buffel: The big boots JS has to fit into seem to have been vacant for a while. He has the intellect for it, I wonder if he has the political will, and the ability to control some of the egos on display.
@Buffel: Good points and thanks for the support :-). Agreed, many like to kick when the chips are down, usually scum. Kearsney are having a cracker year to date and I hope they go onto claim the KZN crown and top 10 ranking. Yes, Glenwood have 11 grade 11’s in the squad of 22 and a very competent 2nd team so hopefully 2014 will be good for us, although 2013 is not over yet and we may surprise a few. The boys are inexperienced and learning with each game. With a decent Under 16 group, very good under 15 group and looking to be a good under14 group the next few years look bright. Hopefully the Glenwood management stick with these boys and give them the best opportunity to do their best.
@Grasshopper: I think we should ignore ‘the beast’ for he is full of hot air. He has wound you up properly and you have fallen for the bait. Yes, Glenwood got found out but so did other schools but Glenwood has been labeled as the school with the overage boys. This is a thing of the past and hopefully will remain there. But as long as there is a future in rugby where one can earn huge sums of money, there will be someone trying to crook the system. I am speaking from experience and we at Kearsney haven’t always played against the big rugby schools but we are trying to right that by playing them at the KERF. Glenwood and College play these schools annually and I can say that in the past they have held their own. This year is a little different in that they have a young side but everyone wants to put the boot in when they are down. The wheel turns and believe me that next year they will be very competetive and back to thier best. I hope we do find out who beast supports so that we can analyze how his school has done/is doing so that we can make some comment. As far as the Sharks Rugby Union is concerned, John has big boots to fill but give him a chance- he might surprise us.
@Grasshopper: Sounds like me that you are doing a Balansingh act daarso
@Gungets Tuft: Rethinking it now, it can’t be a friend just a kak praater!
@Grasshopper: With friends like that I hope your enemies never track you down.
I have people that hate me, wouldn’t p#ss on me if I was on fire, who still talk to me better than that.
@Tjoppa: And other schools don’t purchase at all, hahahahahahahah! Glenwood have openly purchased about 5 to 10 players from Waterkloof etc in the past few years because the kids and their families got offers from the Sharks so they chose to go to Glenwood. In my opinion thishas disrupted our progress rather than enhance it. The sooner this stops the better. With regards to an overage player, he got away with it for years and also got past the provincial and national checks so either everyone is stupid or they all got played. He was rapidly removed from the school and dealt with. Glenwood would never openly accept an over-age boy. Then they did a full audit of all the kzn schools with another 6 kids been found out, what happened to them being publicly announced? Reason is those schools didn’t want to get burnt like DHS and Glenwood did……get you facts straight boet…
@Ploeg: Ek ken vir Shaun goed. Kan nie so lekker sy broer onthou nie. En dan was daar ‘n horde Matthee’s wat ook gespeel het. Ek weet een van hulle besit vir Greenfields in Brackenfell.
@The Beast: Again, don’t know how many times I have to say this, only a third of boys at Glenwood play rugby, so in effect we have less to choose from than an all boarding school like Hilton as an example where nearly every kid plays rugby. Big cosmopolitan schools have a vaster variety of kids, not all love rugby in fact the majority don’t. Look at the demographics of the big Durban schools it will show a bigger passion for football, basketball and athletics than anything else. The bigger the BE the better the rugby and since Glenwood’s BE is now 250 odd we have got better. Grey Bloem with a huge BE does well because of that. I would love to see a study done on the size of a schools BE, the remoteness of the school and how good they are at rugby. That is why schools like Boland Landbou, Marlow etc do well, nothing else to do but practice rugby and create good friendships with kids you living with.
@BuiteBreek: Dus min of meer saam met Gys White, Morne Henn, Proppie, Sarel Dup en die van Niekerk broers? Dink jy is ‘n jaar of 2 ouer as ek, maar jy sou saam met die van Niekerks krieket speel.
@Ploeg: 89 & 90. Wou vir 91 ook gaan, maar blykbaar was te erg, te erg.
@BoishaaiPa: Aha. Vra net vir klariteit, sommige verkoop printers, ander print geld!
@BuiteBreek: Het baie rugby en krieket “derbies” teen Tygerberg gespeel, so watter tydperk dan?
@The Beast: And then thy either play overage boys or purchase the from Gauteng. Still not making the cut.
@Grasshopper: The only great rugby schools over the past ten years is Affies, Grey Bloem, Waterkloof and Paul Roos. The other schools are good rugby schools but much smaller than what you are. So you should beat them not only once in ten years but every year.
@Ploegskaar: Printer..soos in die masjien wat print.
Hopety hop……glad you have the “balls” you should cos you have 1200 kids in your school don’t you, so it’s natural to wanna play big schools of similar size?
Out of an age group of 240 boys and open of 480 boys it’s obvious you should always find a few who can play rugby, with the numbers you have you are under achieving!!!!
Step it up, DHS are soon gonna knock you off!!!!!!!
@BoishaaiPa: Ek dink haar seun speel haker of as hy na sy ma se bou groei stut. Nee ons almal het maar lig geloop vir haar.
@Grasshopper: I see a lot more “near wins” which is typical Glenwood, always close…….but always the Bridesmaid!!!!!
@Myself: Die plek se naam was The Elizabethan of so iets!
@ Ploeg: Watter jaar? Ek was/is nie baie slim gewees nie. Wou net sport jol.
Montana se klub! Dis ‘n naam wat ek lanklaas gehoor het. En die Heidelberg Pub langs die ou Central Hotel. Goeie, sorgelose tye.
@The Beast: And our age group teams are doing pretty well;
16A PAARL GIMNASIUM FESTIVAL (PAARL GIM): 29 MARCH – 3 APRIL
SATURDAY 30 MARCH
vs Boland Landbou; Lost 7-16
MONDAY 1 APRIL
vs Oakdale: Lost 12-13
WEDNESDAY 3 APRIL
vs Rustenburg: Won 42-10
15A PAARL BOYS FESTIVAL (PAARL BOYS): 29 MARCH – 3 APRIL
SATURDAY 30 MARCH
vs Oakdale: Lost 12-22
MONDAY 1 APRIL
vs Paarl Gim: Won 10-7
WEDNESDAY 3 APRIL
Vs Paarl Boys: Lost 12-19
@BuiteBreek: Matriek jaar?
@The Beast: Just a general question for you, what KZN school can claims wins over the following great rugby schools in the past 10 years;
Grey Bloem
Waterkloof
Affies
Paul Roos
Boland Landbou
Outeniqua
Bishops
PBHS
KES
Framesby
Selborne
Marias Viljoen
Queens College
Selborne College
Monument
Diamantveld
EG Jansen
Nico Malan
Noord Kaap
Only Glenwood as they have the balls to play these schools, lose many but also win a few…Glenwood are not afraid to test themselves against the best. We are still yet to beat Boishaai and Gim, but had some close games over the years.
@Ploeg: Nie een van daai nie. Oud-Tygerberger.
@Grasshopper: Hahahahahahaha
This is Beast on a good day, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2UPUaYLx68, watch from 1.12 into the clip…
@Playa: yep, I think it’s a mate of mine who knows how to wind me up, basically a kak maaker!
Gotta love The Beast – Grasshopper banter!
@BoishaaiPa: Kyk, soos Buitebreek tereg opmerk, ‘n wedstryd daar was altyd taai, maar so was enige wedstryd seker daardie tyd teen ‘n span van Goodwood, Parow of Bellville. Print of printer bedryf?
@The Beast: If you are who I think you are then you support Westville and should stop hiding behind your Beast avatar. I am more than happy to meet with bloggers who can have an adult conversation, which seems to allude you. I have met many bloggers on here who know my name……
@Ploegskaar: Ou universiteits en Army pel van my was in JJ op skool in die 80’s…Hy het gaan tokkelok swot, maar dit het net 3 jaar gehou!…Hy is nou baie suksesvolle sakeman in die printer bedryf…
@Tjoppa: Klink soos daai Tannie van Gim met die pers handsak wat so 2/3 jaar terug teen Outeniqua die manne langs die kantlyn so op n hoop gejaag het!..Wonder of sy vanjaar weer haar verskyning in George gaan maak?
@Grasshopper: I am a solid supporter of many schools….dont worry about who I support….you do claim to know me, Alan……so you should know who I support…..
@Tierklou: Nee man, vir wat so nors soos ‘n ou wat ‘n pool-game by Montana verloor het? Tensy jy eens ‘n onderwyser daar was……?
@BuiteBreek: Handel, Meiring, HTS of……..President?
@BOG: Probeer Oom vermy
@Tjoppa:
@BuiteBreek: Hier persoon bestaan regtig. Tot die hoerskool boelie is skuitbang vir haar.
@The Beast: Yes Beast yes, again we still don’t know what province you support let alone what school you support. How is John Smit going to change what Glenwood does, the schools are not associated with the Sharks Union, which is a bloody mess if I say so myself. John Smit is a good bloke, but he has absolutely no experience in sports admin let alone in an executive position, tough job ahead. As for Glenwood they have been around for 103 years they will be around in another 100 years with varying degrees of success in sport depending on the headmaster and their focus. I’m not bothered if they are not great in rugby they will excel somewhere else, I’m just man enough to support my school through good and bad, something you can’t do….
@Tierklou. Moenie my verkeerd verstaan nie, die spelers, ouers en ondersteuners was passievol gewees. Ekself het daar groot geword, was net in ‘n ander skool. Maar wedstryde daar was beslis nie maklik nie, en dinge het soms maar handuitruk na afloop van wedstryde, en selfs tydens die wedstryde. Intimidasie het by baie skole ‘n groot rol gespeel, en is seker dat dit vandag nog steeds ook by wedstryde gebeur.
@Grasshopper: No mate, you okes are slipping, maybe a few years ago and now with John Smit taking over the Sharks I bet you gonna drop further down the rankings…..you are nothing but an entertainment channel, keep entertaining us with the drivel you mutter regarding the greatness of Glenwood rugby. Your time came and its gone!!!!!!!
@The Beast: You are what I call a rabble rouser, nothing but hot air and delusions of grandeur. You can’t even commit to supporting a team, you flutter around claiming to know everything but know nothing. Kind of like the guy who only supports the winning team whoever that is. Glenwood are probably not deserving of a high ranking yet but I bet if Boishaai did analysis of the past 10 years Glenwood would be close to top 10….
@Tierklou: As for you okes, whats happened to your rugby?? You okes are beyond “dog droth” this year. Need to lift your game I would say.
@BuiteBreek. Jy vat darem ‘n groot kans met so ‘n stupid aanmerking. As die ou gardes van Parowvallei dit moet sien word jy ook BinnetoeGebreek. Dink vlg keer.
@Grasshopper: Wow, you guys have beaten a lot of big sides, who is Noord Kaap? You beat Paul Roos with their u16 backline playing in the loose forwards as well, Outeniqua were hardly top ten when you claimed to beat them, you guys are what I call, “The Also Rans” always close but no cigar!!!!!
@The Beast: Yes Marc…..stop being so childish now…..
Is dit n hoekie vir eensames? Die nuwe lys is al uit en julle praat onder geskiedenis!
@Grasshopper: Yes Alan…………..
@Tjoppa: Klink soos ‘n antie van die ou JJ du Preez in Parowvallei. Probleem daar was, al die anties het so gelyk. Ons was maar skeitbang om daar te gaan speel, Boetie hou jou vas en Mamma mo&r jou!
@BuiteBreek: As dit baie reen is die speelveld gelyk met ‘n effense helling na die span wat dit die meeste wil he. Hierdie naweek in Petoria maar saai rugby. Dink ek gaan EG Jansen kyk. Hoop nie daai blonde antie is weer daar nie. Sy het blykbaar twee jaar terug die borg op die verhoog gerol. Elke keer wat ons haar sien is of iets gebreek of sy loop mank. Maar dit kan ek jou belowe sy verloor nooit ‘n geveg nie.
@Ploeg: Die Oakdale span is ‘n redelik jong span span, met klompie Gr11’s in die span. Sal maar sien wat die Bulle en die Donkies Saterdag oplewer. As al die reën val, wat voorspel is, gaan dit nie ‘n mooi wedstryd wees nie, maar ‘n harde een wat voor gewen gaan word. Dink steeds BL se verloor is ‘n swak April Fools grap.
@BuiteBreek: Selfde hier ou maat, maar ten minste staan die onderste helfte van jou trui sterk sover, Saterdag gaan ‘n grote teen Drostdy wees vir Oakdale en soortgelyk is BL se wedstryd teen Wynberg ‘n waterskeiding vir hulle seisoen. Jy weet wat hulle sê, it’s easier to maintain a winning streak than to break a losing streak, kom ons hou duim vas.
@Woltrui: Nee jong, net die wat praatwerk op die veld doen verdien ‘n plek. Drostdy sover skaflik weg van die huis en sal moontlik weer ‘n 100% tuisrekord hierdie seisoen hê, maar kom ons praat na die naweek, hulle het ‘n grote teen ‘n sterk Oakdale span.
@Ploeg: Dalk Top 50? Gelukkig is daar nie Superbru vir dit nie, ek sou elke naweek punte afgee.
@Tjoppa: Korrek, ondersteun ongeag, maar verkies vanselfsprekend seisoene soorgelyk aan 2009 eerder as die soortgelyk aan 2011. Sal Saterdag beslis langs die veld wees om die manne aan te moedig.
Here is the link to Premier Interschools first Magazine program featuring the coming game between KES and Jeppe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErmRBhRTAak&feature=youtu.be
@Woltrui: Maar jou span wat duidelik groot foute het gaan beslis gepenaliseer word indien jy aanhou met jou bleddy Grey vir 2. Koop ‘n trouring vir Bog of maak hom swanger en kry to net klaar asseblief.
@Ploegskaar: @Tjoppa: Jaaaa, stem saam Tjop. Druk Boland Landbou in op 9 of 10. Krediete vir die Boland Landbou Bloggers-wie ons moet se hul skaflik gedra het die afgelope week.
Ploeg op jou lys. Posisie 10. Drostdy het teen Transvalia verloor. Transvalia het met 35 punte teen HTS Middelburg verloor?
Sien Brandwag ook nog onoorwonne. Verdien ook dalk ‘n plek op die hoog aangeskrewe Ploeg Special 8) .
@Ploegskaar: Maar jy bly lief vir hulle. Gee kans die seisoen nog lank.
@Tjoppa: Sou hulle nie eens onder my eie T40 hê op die oomblik nie
@Ploegskaar: Jy kan Boland Landbou by 9 inglip niemand sal agter kom nie.
@Tjoppa: Vra omverskoning, het hulle momentêr verwar met Knarsfontein wat teen Nelspruit verloor het. Dan hou ons hom so, Waterkloof 4 en Monnas 5?
@BOG: come on Bog win the top 5 schools and then we will consider Grey to. But before that sorry.
@Ploegskaar: 365 as always bias to Grey and the WC schools. At least they admit it is done by opinion of four assesors.
Blah, blah, blah— Does that make any sense? Well, neither does some of these “rankings”
@Ploegskaar: Klofies ook.
@beet: Yes but remember you can only get points for games played against top 20 list. So if you play against weaker sides then you do not earn any points. Remember your top 20 is also measured against all the other’s top 20. That should stop you from making a ridiculous top twenty.
@Woltrui: Merk wel ‘n klien foutjie in my lysie, Monnas en Klofies moet omruil, Monnas nog onoorwonne tot op hede, reg? Sien 365 s’n is ook uit….
@Tjoppa: Unfortunately as discriminating as that seems especially for one season only overachievers, it’s the best way to actually determine who fits in where in the Top 20 – measure games against strong oppo only.
@Woltrui: Maybe we must have a jackpot on this. Beet give us an account number and everybody bank R100. And the guy with the most accurate log takes it all.
Top 20 for 2013. What will the rules be for the method of ranking.
1. You can only get points for games played against teams in your own top 20.
2. 0 – Loss, 1 – Loss with less than seven points, 2 – Draw, 3 – Win with less than seven points, 4 – win for more than seven points.
@The Beast: Noord Kaap and Monnas last year, Paul Roos in 2011 and Outeniqua in 2010…….admittedly they are not Top 10 but consistently Top 20……I knew your dig would come at some point Marc…
@Ploegskaar: Ploeg ek hou van jou gedagte rigting. Die Ploeg special is ‘n goeie refleksie van die huidige top 10. (Flippit, nooit gedink ek sal dit vir die vyand, n visvoet, se nie
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@Grasshopper: Don’t forget the 6 they leaked as well, rugby is about attack and defence. 40-12 is a walloping so stop worrying about 2 breakaway tries.
The Hoppers never actually win any game of significance, when last have they beaten a top 10 side?
For the sake of debate, here’s the Ploeg special from yesterday again:
1 Hoerskool Outeniqua (Kwaggas)
2 Paarl Gimnasium
3 Afrikaans Hoer Seunskool Pta (Affies)
4 Hoerskool Waterkloof (Klofies)
5 Hoerskool Monument (Monnas)
6 Grey College
7 Hoerskool Dr EG Jansen (Jansies)
8 Hoerskool Garsfontein (Garsies)
9 Hoerskool Nelspruit (Nelies)
10 HTS Drostdy
11 Hoer Landbouskool Oakdale
12 Wynberg Boys’ High
13 Kearsney College
14 Rondebosch Boys’ High School
15 HTS Middelburg (RooiBulle)
16 Paarl Boys High School (Boishaai)
17 Pretoria Boys’ High School
18 Hoerskool Centurion
19 Hoerskool Noord-Kaap
20 St Andrews College (SAC)
@beet, not too far off yours, but for now prefer to reward the unbeaten teams. Have to say, I think your current T10 may well end up as the T10 at the end of August!
Still don’t get how Glenwood don’t even feature in the top 30, I understand why not top 20. There was a points difference between then and Kearsney at Kearsney and Kearsney won in the last minute yet Kearsney are top 20 in all rankings, baffles me that. Let’s just say Glenwood need to beat a few big sides in the next few weeks to improve their ranking. I am confident that they would beat many of the sides ranked 15 to 30 in this group…..Go Green! The Glenwood backline when on fire is unstoppable, ask Gim about the two tries they scored against them….
SBR top 20 het betrekking: Grey Bloem gaan volgens my aan die einde van die seisoen die no 2 posisie beklee na Outenikwa op 1. Op hierdie stadium, na hul neederlaag en die feit dat ‘n paar ander skole nog onoorwonne is, dink ek die onoorwonne spanne verdien krediet. Grey Bloem dus op 6 of 7. HJS Paarl dieselfde. Span wat vir my die mooiste rugby gespeel het by St Johns en spelers met kruiwaens vol talent. Op hierdie stadium kan hulle nie voor Monnas en Garsies wees nie. SBR se top 10 spanne is waarskynlik, met uitsondering van Nellies, die top 10 skool spanne tans in die RSA.
Nellies, alhoewel ‘n kwaliteit span, het volgens my nie tans oor die nodige skietgoed in die enginkamer om hulle ‘n top 10 span te maak nie.
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