In the latest article on Stoopstat.co.za entitled “Player Poaching, Same Old Story Slightly New Cast”, the second last paragraph points to an unfortunate development in Pretoria:
The very latest shots in this ongoing – and now very domestic – skirmish were fired on Wednesday 6 February when the principal of Waterkloof contacted the acting principal of Garsfontein to cancel any sporting contact between the schools for the foreseeable future.
Garsfontein had a memorable 2012 season and gained rugby recognition thanks to performances that enabled them to end the year as the 19th best team in South Africa . They also won the @lantic Champion of Champions Sevens title for high schools in 2012.
It’s also interesting that the same article makes mention of a signed agreement reached between Klofies and Affies not to take in any school players that the Blue Bulls recruit and relocate. Is this the start of a new code of honour amongst elite rugby schools? In this rapidly changing world where rugby professionalism is expanding to include schoolboys and Unions around the country are looking to form partnerships with schools, schools have to reassess where they draw the line and/or fit into the bigger picture. On the surface it looks like Klofies and Affies have made a decision to show faith in the boys that have been with them since grade 8.
@Ploegskaar: 100%
@Woltrui: Granted, up north was a bit of a generalization, but otherwise I assume we are in agreement, not?
@Ploegskaar: Mr Ploegskaar. Finished with the economics debat
What is this “morals and ethics” you are talking about? Is it something you eat with breakfast of lunch?
@Queenian: I don’t condone poaching of any kind from any school to be honest, as this is the reason for the concentration of talent in only a few schools. When is the last time a premier A team in the WC has been turned over by a premier B team for instance (excluding Tygerberg, who has joined in the plunder)? 20-25 years ago a trip to the n/subs was not always a walk in the park and many an age group team and even the odd first team from the so called big schools were sent packing with a bruised ego.
@Ploegskaar: If boys are being poached from established schools then this is a problem.
@Rugbyman: Yes, clearly the morals and ethics down here differ vastly from those in the North. Next time you can perhaps pay Tygerberg a visit on a reconciliation trip and perhaps be more disctreet when attempting to recruit here in the Boland? Nothing wrong with striving for success, but not at any price and definitely not by stepping on the wrong toes…
@Ploegskaar: what do u mean by that son? With respect, get your facts right… We arent a boys only school hence the A to C teams for all age groups and 1 to 6 at the top… The only other mixed school in pta that can give us a game for all our teams is waterkloof, and they struggle to get a 5th team on the field… Its much different up here than down in the cape
@Muzi: What is your opinion on the issue Muzi
@Rugbyman: Sounds like Tygerberg High in Cape Town , good first team and f’all in the age groups. A-C and 6 open teams? You don’t know your place, boy!
@Woltrui:
why am not surprised yet again people are ranting and raving about the Bulls poaching players.
Ugh
@Roger: Roger if KES are playing Centurion, Eldo and Garsies you are in for a tough time. Any of the 3 could win a so called “traditional school” on a good day. Centurion Super 16 champs. Eldo always competative. Garsies with a lot of “replaced” kids.
@All Black:
LOL All Black!! spot on!!
and this was long overdue.
lekker man lekker!!
Oh my, Natal fever has crept behind the boerewors curtain. Every province seems to have one Eish.
Ek sit nie maklik aan ‘n Boishaaier se kant nie, maar julle sluk winde oor die afrokkel van spelers uit die Noorde vanuit die Suide. Ek kyk al jare skolerugby in die Suide. Ek kan nie dink aan ‘n skolespeler uit die Noorde wat dit groot gemaak het in die Suide nie. Asek verkeerd is, lig my asseblief in. Ek praat nie van spelers wat in gr. 8 gewerf is nie. Selfs dit sal skaars wees.
Die afrokkel van spelers tussen die top rugbyskole in die WK is nie ‘n issue nie.
@beet: maybe they have been and not publsihed as yet – hope the organizers can gauge the strengths of the various schools accurately to prevent blow-outs?
@beet: @Roger: Come to think of it I don’t think Bizsport has been finalised either
@Roger: The Festival is next month
Surely the fixutres have been finalised.
@beet: the KES Easter festival fixtures haven’t been finalised as yet. Participating schools are Garsfontein, Menlo Park, Centurion, Eldoriagne, Lichtenberg; Hudson Park, Trinityhouse, Parktown, KES and Golden Lions Invitation. Given KES are playing Menlo Park in regular season this year – I have heard KES will play Garsfontein, Eldoraigne and Centurion.
Very different flavour this year – no established “traditional” schools (besides Parkoiwn) – Honestly, I know nothing about the participating schools from Pretoria?
@BoishaaiPa: i do know him…. I also know his family… I think ure being mislead my friend… He wasnt considered due to a serious injury, no other reason… Anyway he is in boishaai and he did leave misteriously in the middleof his gr11 year… Some food for thought… By the way, I do have it on good authority that WP did want him badly due to his size… I will never convince u, as u will never convince me… Lets agree to disagree on this one
@Ooorkant Loftus: I have been trying and will continue trying to get info fixtures out of KES but so far nothing to show for my efforts.
@GreenBlooded:
I just think there should be a difference between defending people and being blind. That’s all.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: I’m not going to start this again. I stand by what I said above. You are in a position of authority at DHS so do what you feel is right in terms of playing us or not.
@Rugbyman: Once again..get your facts straight…He wasnt even considered for the 1st team squad so why would we “buy” him?..He came out of his own accord on his own steam and without any financial help..He just wanted to be in a tradional boys school and his fathers best friend happens to be an old boy…nothing sinister there and no promises made and WP rugby had nothing to do with it. You seem to know him..why dont you ask him how he got there!
@GreenBlooded:
Look, I accept that there have been some wild accusations against Glenwood but you have to accept that they aren’t AT ALL clean! Also, a lot of the accusations are true and most of the ones I’ve thrown I have gotten from the horses mouth!
No fluke that two Durban schools aren’t playing you and that College were on the verge of doing the same!
@Beet.
Can you please give us the KES Easter Festival Fixtures please.
@badboy: Hey, I am not so sure. There are some dirty fighters in the combined team from the North and most have long nails which they use to scratch the opposition with. Among the “Stormers”, its only BHP with long nails.
@Roger: wow! Great roger! Our guys will look forward to that! Sure it will be a gr8 game!
@Roger: 1988….
I hear u… But they are well established in the schools arena though…
@Rugbyman: I would hardly call Waterkloof a traditional school though? They have only been around since the late 1970’s? When was Garsfontein established?
@GreenBlooded: You are right to an extent – the scores might not always have been flattering b ut I can tell you that there was never a feeling of complacency at College. Coaches such as Skonk, Ding Dell, Max Castle and the like would never let that happen. It was not the ruthless kind of approach, more a respectful kind that was quite clear – any losing side would be an exception come Monday morning assembly. I remember being on a losing side against Voortrekker (to this day I think they just swapped their A and B sides around) and I think we were the only losing side on the weekend. There was this strained atmosphere when they got to the result – results were just read assuming that College had won, then you heard “U15B …. {long disbelieving hesitation} … LOST 19-17 … {another long hesitation … }. But those days it all just seemed different. We played sport and moved on, it was not like it is today where there just seems to be that much more riding on it. Not better or worse, just different.
ahhhh, those were the days … innocence lost …..
PS – also remember losing against Northlands in my last ever school match (Gr11) .. I was hospitalised at 1/2 time, by 10pm that night had been operated on in Durban and again in PMB, didn’t play rugby again until in my national service. 2 losses in 5 years not a bad record … :-)
@Rugbyman: yes – looking forward to it to. KES-Garsfontein will be a big match up then. I believe it is lined up for the main game on the Saturday. Will your lads enjoy playing in front of 18 000 spectators!
@BoishaaiPa: By the way, speaking of facts… How is the big lock booishaai took from garsfontein (in grade 11 last year) doing….? I believe he is a bit overweight… He wont mean much to u in that state…. U guys better get him to shed some weight cause then he could play SA schools… Oops, i forgot, WP dont do those things…. His move to your hostel must the be a coincidence of note….
@Roger: i cannot vouch for the other teams but Garsfontein will be able to field under 14 to under 16 A to C teams… And 1 to 6 or maybe 7 for the open teams… Garsfontein will have a very good 1st team this year… We still have 11 members left our team of 2012… But only time will tell! We are looking forward to KES and the tournament, a privilege to play there
@Rugbyman: heh Rugbyman – I see Garsfontein, Menlopark, Eldoraigne and Centurion are all at the KES Easter Festival this year. I don’t know much about these schools at all – obviously, as you say, young up and coming schools in the Pta region. How will they fare – I am pretty sure KES are lined up to play Garsfontein at the festival and I see Menlo Park are playing KES on 27 April. Interesting match ups – how many teams can these schools put out and how are the 1st teams looking for 2013?
@BOG: Stormers to take it.
As ek, as neutrale waarnemer iets mag voorstel- n bek en handsakgeveg tussen Noord en Suid. Dit kom egter voor asof daar n bietjie tweespalt is aan die kant vd Noorde, en dan boonop is die Suide reeds “wedstrydfiks”- hulle baklei al onder mekaar vd begin van Januarie. Wat van n voorgeveg tussen die kragmeting Bulle teen die Stormers? Sal 80 minute genoeg wees om die geskil te beredder of moet daar toegelaat word vir besering- en ekstratyd?
@rugbyfan: Hey thanks for the tip off i will inform the busary people at GB – Jokes you know we dont do that
@GreenBlooded: Ye i know what you mean anyway his son is not at Queens i think his plan is to send him there in Grade 10 but a very talent kid watched him play cricket the other day he is 11 and plays for under 13A a wicky he took 5 catches and stumped two kids so he took 7 of the wickets.
I do know he turned down an oppertunity to send him to Grey PE.
Good to see a man with the passion for Queens as he has schools like that need as much help as they can get from Old Boys.
And i was just joking about buying him
@rugbyfan: The problem with that is that Queenian sounds like a responsible parent who will not sign off on such an offer. What we often forget is for every school transfer, there are parents who say “OK”. They also need to take some responsibility. What I can say without doubt is that if Queenian were re-located to Durban for work reasons and took his boy to Glenwood, the headlines would read “Glenwood poach Queens College Player”.
@rugbyfan: Hey you get lost you will ruin the friendship here mate.
@GreenBlooded: Hey you must get GW to buy Queenian son he is a good rugby player plays no 8 and is an excellent cricketer.
@Gungets Tuft: I’m totally on board with what you say about the high school experience being so much more than rugby success. Amen to that. I’m on record on this forum as saying I beleive national legislation should be effected to stop sports bursaries or any other form of financial benefit which is really what is driving all of this.
I will however continue to contend that Glenwood are very unfairly targeted for criticism and their dealings are blown way out of proportion in comparision to many other schools who do exactly the same thing and worse. I’ve never said they are angels – but they are not the only devil either. I also continue to contend that this would not be the case if the year on year scoresheets looked like they did in my time. Let’s see how Northwood do over the next few seasons with their imports – and watch the whinging start if they are successful.
As for Glenwood not thinking of itself as a threat – maybe at 1st XV level and some of the A teams, but while I was at Glenwood in the 80’s, twice a year we went home on a Friday knowing were going to get thumped by College. Grassy can do the maths (matches played, won, lost and PD Glenwood vs College during the 80’s – 90’s were even worse). I remember Headmaster Maher storming out of assembly one Monday after a College encounter with tears in his eyes – told us we were a bunch of whimps and that we were beaten before we even got to the match. Most scores below A team level were 50+ point margins. The 1st team beat College once out of 10 matches in my 5 years there – it was in 1986 I think on Dixons with Trevor Labuschagne landing a heart stopping skep-skop in the last minutes to secure victory by a point. I think we might have been given the Monday off. In this context – I doubt that anyone would be at all concerned if a couple of boys came to Glenwood from across the Kei or from over Van Reenens.
Like you say – it’s been argued to death, but it gives me something to do while waiting for my feeder to get switched off!!
@Rugbyman: Southdowns College, thats the name.Does Garsfontein play them?
@Queenian: Dont have a clue who they are….
@Rugbyman: Do you people play against Southwood or what ever there name is
Things got really heated up in here
@Klofiepa: My intensie is nie kloof bashing nie… Ek wil net seker maak die waarheid is daar buite… Ons het laasjaar teen julle gespeel op julle veld en daai was ‘n Beeld game…
Die ringkoppe moet mooi gaan dink… Daar is nog niks ampteliks nie en tot dan sien ek rerig uit na die game teen julle…
@Booishaaipa: None as blind as those who will not see….
@Rugbyman:
Dit is juis die een punt wat my n bietjie pla van die hele affere!! wat nou van die die Beeldliga en sou ons teen mekaar te staan kom wat dan? Verlede jaar is ons deur die liga sonder om teen julle te speel.
Maar dit moes tog bespreek gewees het onder die ringkoppe. Dus die besluit om julle uit te skuif moes baie swaarder geweeg het as die liga.
Nou vir die laaste keer…. stop nou maar die “‘ Kloof-bashing”” waaraan jy jou so skuldig maak. Soos die Englese se, show some respect!!! Ek doen.
Sterkte met julle games en geniet net Rugby. Ons sal daai koue een gaan vat.
@GreenBlooded: It is interesting that Glenwood never saw themselves as a “threat” before about 2000. I can tell you that College have always seen Glenwood and DHS as a threat – certainly from way back when I played at College. We always got well “gees’ed up” for Glenwood and DHS. Didn’t play Westville back then and House/Hilton were not really taken seriously right across the board.
We are never going to get away from these “poaching” arguments. The influence of the Unions is a fact, we will never get away from that either. That this might favour the schools close to the Union headquarters is also a fact. I say we need to just move on, deal with it, make the best of it. If there are schools that are playing fast and loose with money, so be it, those days too will pass, we have seen that you do not buy great teams, you build them. House and Kearsney are an example of success from last year, Glenwood found out that it is not as easy to build a team from raw talent.
Kids (and their parents) that move schools to try and increase their chances of rugby success will find out there is a downside. The danger is that their boys do not make great and lasting friendships from school – we should all have them, I still have a phuza with mates from Grade 8. Cannae legislate that, you can only hope parents are sensible. You might build temporary success in a team, you do not build a great school by being mercenary. And if you think a Union gives a rats arse about your school reputation, think again ….
@Rugbyman: I can live with professionalism..not with articifial enhancement of schools….The difference is that he is still in his same school and remains there…his contract is for After school!..
The amount of drivel you talk about the Cape schools is just a disguise to cover the fact that Bulls and Lions are busy with a despicable practice and no amount of finger wagging at Cape Schools will ever lessen that!
@Woltrui: Jy is ongelukkig baie naief…. Ek verseker jou dat Garsfontein skielik ‘n groot bedreiging geword het vir die tradisionele skole… Ons is ongelukkig nie 90 jaar oud soos Affies nie en het daarom nie die luuksheid dat ouens sommer net vanself kom oor die naam nie… Ons moes drastiese stappe neem om ons skool se voortbestaan te verseker… By the way, Affies lok ook maar manne – al verskil is dit word nie erken nie… Ek dink bv. aan die helpmekaar o/16 slot wat nou skielik daar is uit die bloute… Toeval? Ek dink nie so nie…
Ek gun affies dit en het nog altyd baie respek vir julle rugby… Ons sal graag teen julle wil meeding, maar is nog nie gereed daarvoor nie… Sodra ons is, sal ons voelers uitsteek vir so geleentheid… Soos ek vra: gun ons, ons plekkie in die son….
@Booishaaipa: Dont u think scouts from province are up here by the way….? Why do u think that th cravenweek scrumhalf of last year, who happens to be in Kloof, is allready contracted by WP…? pure luck? I dont think so…. Rugby is professional…. Live with it…
@Booishaaipa: My facts are straight my friend… Thats in respect of Garsfontein… ALL the kids from your beautiful province are disadvantaged and very poor… That is a FACT! I know each one personally as well as their parents… Maybe there are others up here which I am not aware off… but the ones’ in Garsfontein I can vouch for…
I can also assure you that they never did and probably never would have gotten any oppurtunities down in the Cape… Your big schools make sure of that… the politics amongst the teachers are scary…. Maybe you should start clearing that up…
With regards to the Bulls – what they do has nothing to do with me… We look after the kids in our school extremely well… We are their home and proud of it, and so are they of us!
@klofiepa: Eerstens… ‘n bier sal lekker wees….
Kyk, julle plaas julleself op ‘n troon deur te doen wat julle doen… Wat van die 2 atlete wat Kloof wou lok? Is dit aanvaarbaar? As Kloof by ander vat dan is dit geen probleem nie, maar as iemand daar waai spring hulle hoof op en af?
Hoekom krap dit Daan dan so baie as een, nie twee van sy seuns weg is – en dit oor spankeuses…? (Terloops ek verwys na ‘n o/16 outjie wat onlangs weg gegaan het – nie laasjaar se 2 nie) Dis mos nie ‘n rede om die game kwansuis af te stel nie… Ek stel dit duidelik: Ons het niks ampteliks ontvang nie en sou julle nie teen ons speel nie sal dit eerstens baie jammer wees, en tweedens sal julle die ligapunte in die Beeld trofee verbeur…
Nee wat klofie, Daan probeer hard om kloof in ‘n mini Affies te verander – julle het tot nou die klok wat matrieks lui as hulle die skool verlaat…
Waaroor die bohaai? Ek verseker jou 3 jaar terug sou geen haan gekraai het as iemand uit kloof na garsfontein gegaan het nie – ons het immers ‘n 100-tal teen julle gevat? Nou is dinge so bietjie anders… Nou is ons ‘n bedreiging… Se jou wat – daar bestaan by my geen twyfel dat Garsies se 1stes hierdie haar vir Kloof sal pakgee nie… ons kan selfs so paar rand daarop sit?
Al die jare wou Kloof en Affies mekaar nie speel nie – baie ongesond vir rugby gewees… Nou wil Kloof nie teen Garsfontein speel nie? Affie hoof by Kloof… 2 en 2 maak 4 ou maat… Net so ongesond…. Die jare toe kloof kinders van Garsfontein gevat het, dink jy dis vergete? ten spyte daarvan het die arme ou garsies van daai jare maar dit net gesluk… Daai dae is verby… Ons GAAN ‘n krag in hierdie land se rugby word of Kloof se hoof daarvan hou of nie… Die speelveld is nou vir die 1ste keer ooit gelyk! Dalk sien jy dit in jou persoonlike hoedanigheid anders, maar daar is mense by kloof en affies wat dink rugby in Pretoria behoort aan hulle en alle goeie spelers moet na regte net na hulle toe gaan… Wel ons het die boot kom skud… en weet jy wat het dit veroorsaak…? Se dankie vir die 100 punte van 2011… Dit het ‘n jong sluimerende reus baie seergemaak…. en dit het daai reus laat opstaan…
Ek hoop egter iemand kan sin in Daan se kop inpraat as wat jy se waar is…. Rugby is soos jy tereg se groter as dit, en as kinders wil skuif uit garsfontein, kloof of waarookal dan behoort dit hulle goeie reg te wees… Each to his own…
Wat die artikel op Stoopstats betref, ek het vanoggend ‘n baie lang gesprek met Tony Stoops gehad om hom so bietjie meer perspektief te gee… hy het my punte aanvaar en respekteer wat ons doen om minder bevooregte kinders geleenthede te gee… Sy ongelukkigheid is gemik op die Bulle… Nie ‘n saak wat ek kan aanspreek nie… Al sy feite is egter nie als korrek nie. Die Titus seun waarna hy verwys se saak het heel anders verloop as wat Noord-Kaap dit uitmaak…
@Rugbyman: Jou stelling dat Garsfontein ‘n bedreiging vir Affies en Kloof word en “they would go to any length to stop that” is ‘n wilde en ongegronde stelling.
My probleem is nie met Garsies. My probleem is met die Blou Bul Unie wat kinders werf en hier plaas (ongeag of hulle arm of ryk is). Vir elke kind wat hier geplaas word word ‘n skool seun van Pretoria die eer en voorreg ontneem om sy skool se eerste span te verteenwoordig. Ek is bly dat Kloof en Affies daaroor stelling inneem en ek hoop die ander skole doen die selfde.
@Rugbyman: Funny that the Bulls scouts are always down here in Cape Town in rugby season..I have seen Xander at more Boishaai games than some parents!
@beet:
Beet I strongly believe this is not a Waterkloof and Garsfontein thing as some like to say. Its quite simple… the Headmaster had a good reason for taking this step. Punt!!! To blame or put Waterkloof on the high and migthy pedestall as the bloggers are doing, is irresponsible!!!
There is still and always will be mutual respect between these two fine schools!!
@Rugbyman: You must get your facts straight my friend…The boys poached from the Boland are mostly in prominent schools, that is where they were seen in the first place…they get lured up north with promises of Cravenweek colours. One centre from Boishaai has already moved north…you telling me he is from a disadvantaged school?
@Rugbyman:
Geldige punte RM. Maar daars rook in die lug. Wat ook al die rede was vir Daan om die besluit te neem, moes n grote gewees het. Dit is klaar aan die seuns oorgedra dat die game teen julle af is.
Toevallig weet ek en ken ek ook die seuns wat na julle is. Ek dink jy moet dalk dieper gaan delf oor die “”ongelukkigheid”” van die 2 en jy sal vind dit het net by kompetiesie en spankeuses gebly in die senior groep verlede jaar. Andersins was die seuns baie gelukkig in die skool en dis bevestig deur die een net n week terug. Maar soos jy se….dis n keuse en basta!
Om Waterkloof op die “troon ” te plaas soos jy nou hier doen is onregverdig. Julle opgang en strewe na goeie kompetiesie in die land word meer as net gerespekteer. hou so aan maar ek stel dan ook voor jy gaan lees weer die artikel by stoopstats en dan besluit jy self of Waterkloof die probleem waarom die artikel geplaas is of nie. Ek dink jy voel so omrede die skool so goed doen en dit dalk n klip in jou skoen is.
Aangaande die stelling dat ons en Affies alles in ons vermoee sal doen om nie die son oor julle te laat skyn en kwansuis bang is vir dit wat voorle, lol dink weer. Ek kan jou verseker dat almal bitter graag teen die beste gemeet wil word. Wen of verloor!!!
Laastens die kind wat GW toe is het nog volstoom geoefen en saam voorberei vir die seisoen, en die Maandag is hy vort. Gerugte van n kontrak ens loop maar dit skeel my min. As hy n happyhondjie is daar in Durbs, hey goed gedoen. Maar kom ons los Waterkloof hier uit.
Rugby is baie groter as dit en alles daarom!!
ns. As jy dieselfde persoon is as die een van verlede jaar op 365, ons moet nog daai bier gaan drink.
@Greenblooded, you took the words directly from my mouth. Only when Glenwood start to have average results again will the continual bashing stop…..Garsies are the scapegoats up their and Glenwood in KZN…funny both schools names start with a G! Maybe Graeme in the EC are next…
@Greenblooded: You are right… some of the traditional schools see it as their righ to have the best kids in their schools… If they stop going there or go somewhere else then they are being poached…
By the way, I see we lay you guys at the PUK Skouspel in March… Looking forward to the game!
@Rugbyman: I find it interesting when you say the onset of the accusations started when Garsfontein became a threat to Affies and Waterkloof. I draw a direct parallel between the sustained campaign against Glenwood which has been ongoing for a few seasons now and what you say is happening at Garsies.
When Glenwood was not a threat to any of the traditional rugby powerhouse here, boys who moved there were never under any form of scrutiny but since they started winning consistently and becomming a threat to the rugby establishment – every inbound boy was placed under scrutiny and all manner of unfounded allegations started flying around. So we have something in common boet!! I can only guess that it simpy goes with the territory of climbing the ladder to success – happens everywhere and in all walks of life. People don’t like tall poppys.
Hi Beet…
Thanks for your reply, I sent you an e-mail as well…
There is nothing official and I am most certainly not looking for an appology… It is merely a matter of us being made out as the “bad guys” and the mighty Kloof as the “good guys” who does no wrong… there are always the other side of the story as you pointed out…
@BOG: Ye if they were kicked out of JJS they went to Queens and if they did not make it they went to Grey Bloem
@beet: Reading about this “inhouse” fighting in Tshwane, I cannot help noticing the teams selected for the BBs this weekend, at centre- BBS Francois Venter Vodacom side- Dries Swanepoel, Jan Serfontein with Piet Lindeque on the bench. Just where do they get these centres?
@beet: Well said
@Rugbyman: Hi Rugbyman. I appreciate you coming here to share your views. This in my opinion is one of the things that makes a blog successful: like Playa said, it’s when we get to hear both sides of the story (particularly in situations where we might not have even hear one side had the blog not existed). What is important to note is that in the absence of rules or laws on the matter, there is no right or wrong, just the varying perceptions by people from different walks of life on what the standard should be.
I will try to get to the bottom of this cancelled sports matter and publish an apology if the relationship between Klofies and Garsies has been misrepresented.
@Rugbyman: Two sides to every story I guess. Heard loud and clear.
@Klofie Pa: Waar is die man? Seker besig om PRG te probeer help om hulle standaarde daaronder op te knap. So, tussen die lyne verneem ek dat hy puik werk verrig het op Markotter. Hulle het ook nou n OG as afrigter. Miskien nog net een as Skoolhoof en n klompie op die personeel en wie weet, na so 20 jaar, is dinge daar soos aan Bloem se Westekant!
@rugbyfan: Just as long as the Grey 7th team, effectionately known as the Crocks, were not hurt in this confusion. Would have been interesting if they had corrected the situation at half time though.So, the rumour that I heard is incorrect? I heard that if they were unmanageable at JJ Serfontein, they sent them to Queens- the real bad cases.
@Queenian – That would then exclude Kloof… If a kid applies with us from Kloof or any other school we will accomodate him/her…
The rumour surrounding the Bulls might have been true a few years back, but I can assure you, we get phone calls daily from down in the Cape of parents who wants to give their kids oppurtunities up here… The politics in WP and Boland schools rugby drives them away big time…
@Rugbyman: Agree with a lot of your point you can not stop a boy moving because he is unhappy and taking boys from schools that do not have say a proper setup is cool. For example if Garsfontein get a kids from Maria Louw school in Queenstown i have know issue with that but if you got a kid from Queens who got a contract from the Bulls i would have a big issue.
One more thing… The rumour that Kloof phoned the acting headmaster at Garsfontein to cancel the fixture is a rumour… Nothing official has been said or done… That I know for a fact…
@Playa: Ye we need to take a stand here i think the first thing that should be done is any old queens boys in Gauteng should pitch up to games that Southwood or what ever there name is and have banners up stating the problem you would see how quickly that boy would be back at Queens.
The pen is mightier than the sword? Allow me an opportunity to state some facts as Garsfontein was hanged out to dry unfairly here…
1. The kid who left Waterkloof at the beginning of the year for Garsfontein I know personally… I also happen to know his dad personally. He left Kloof because he was NOT HAPPY in the school.
2. Boys left Waterkloof verey recently to Glenwood because they were NOT HAPPY – I see that wasnt mentioned. Why would they leave
3. Waterkloof tried to poach two of Garsfonteins athletes in the last two months (only one successfully) with bursaries – Are they that squeecky clean? Garsfontein didnt complain…
4. I know for a fact there are more kids in Waterkloof who are unhappy for some reason and want to leave… Why is that?
There must be a reason for unhappiness… The fact is that if a kid in not happy in a school he is entitled to leave as that is his choice, is that not so? This is not the first time and certainly not the last time… Nobody poached anybody, people made choices. To blame Garsfontein for those choices will not solve the probable. Rather go sort out the reason for them leaving… If they are happy, I assure you they wont leave.
Garsfontein lost three boys to Menlopark last year because they were unhappy – a choice they made. Nobody picked on them, nobody complained… But interestingly one came back this year and with him 5 others from Menlo… Why? Because thats a choice they made…
@Klofiepa and Woltrui: I think what is going on here is suddenly Garsfontein bacame a threat to Affies and Kloof… They would go to any lengths to try and stop that. Just for interest sake Woltrui – Do you know how many kids in Affies are really from the area? How many drives past Garsfontein, Eldoraigne, Menlopark and others to go to Affies? The only thing that is happening now is that people are slowly realising that their kids doesnt have to go to Affies or Kloof to gain opportunities… The spread of the power in Pretoria will be a good thing… Garsfontein is a young up and coming school just like Kloof was 15 years ago… Allow them a place under the sun…
With regards to the kids from the Cape… I challenge any of you to go see where most of these kids come from… they are the poorest of the poor and get NO opportunities down in the Cape… To give them an opportunity, to educate them, give them shelter nutrition and love – is that wrong? This is what happened with many of these kids… They are not from traditionally big schools like Paarl Gym or Boishaai… They are from squatter camps with an uncertain future… Their parents begs for an opportunity… I have been down there myself and seen this… Why not give them the opportunity? Take of the provincial glasses and think of the kids… Your worry in the morning is traffic to work, their worry in the morning was will I get to school alive…
I hope this gives you a better and clearer view of the facts…
@rugbyfan: Ye remember that the Queens 13th team used to be know as the “Runts and Cunxx” Remember the Headmaster reading the results out on the Monday morning and it was quite a joke. I think that team only ever played 3 matches ayear one was against Grey 13ths and 2 games against Dale 10th team it was made up of mainly smokers/drinkers and boys to old to play regular games.
@Queenian: We got you now even in numbers.
Do you remember the 1983 mess up in Queenstown when Grey 13th team land up playing Queens 7ths and visa versa by mistake well here were the scores the coaches only caught on at half time when it was to late.
Grey 7ths 124-0 Queens 13th Team
Queens 7ths 93-10 Grey 13th Team
I remember the Grey 13th team coach saying that he thought at half time when he,s team was 48 nil down that Queens had brought in players expesially for the game from outside schools. I think still to this day that must be a Grey record for any team in defeat.
@Queenian: I agree 100%. If SARU will not take a stand against this madness, then the schools must step in and boycott the schools that accept these poached boys.
@rugbyfan: Ha ha my friend i see i am being over run by you Grey fellows here.
Badboy: When did you leave Grey and i hope you got your butt kicked by Queens when you were there
@Queenian: You admitting that JJ Serfontein is a off shoot of Queens mate. All the plumbers that work at GB went to school some were in Queenstown i hear.
@badboy: Welcome i must say you must be highly educated seen you went our great school.
@BOG: nou moet julle net vir Hercules kry dans die bende voltallig!!!
@badboy: Hey flip not another Grey boy so were you from boet or you still wet behind the ears
@badboy: Get yourself a jersey from Beet. Just remember- rugbyfan and I are good boys because our quality education
@Queenian: Hey welcome to the old foe you have some good points there agree this poaching story is a joke.
Hey i see you folks have a Grey Jersey on your blogs how do i get one.
@BOG: @rugbyfan: Hey good to see fellow Grey boys here very interesting blogs
@rugbyfan: As you say, the solution is quite simple. Boycott the schools who are guilty of this and KERF and WK would be the ideal opportunity for schools to take a unified stand on this matter. Not all the schools will be there, but those who are, have enough influence to make their voices heard in this regard.
@rugbyfan: I agree with you on the contract story ban contracts till the boy is halfway through there final year. And the boycotting of schools who help the unions is a good idea but all schools will have to come together to make this affective.
As for how schools do the Scholarship/Busary thing here is what Queens do.
1. Boys who,s fathers are QC old boys
2. Boys from disadvantage schools who do not have a proper rugby setup.
All Busary holders at Queens currently fall into these catogaries. The boy who arrived at Queens this year from Zim was sponsered by an Old Queenian there the boys father works for him and this had nothing to do with the normal busary system.
Also Queens has agreed not to take boys from Dale or Selborne unless they are Old Boys sons or the perants move to Queenstown. Also as you know the old North East Cape/Southern Free State area which is shared by Grey Bloem and Queens as a feeder area any issues would be discussed between the schools.
At the moment the biggest movement of boys from Queens after junior school seems to be to St Andrews and Grey PE.
In the last 10 years there have been 34 Queens Old Boys kids who have played for the 1st teams of Grey PE/Selborne/St Andrews but most of this has been because of the parents living in those area,s although quite a few have landed up at St Andrews and Grey PE after been offered busaries.
Very sad but nothing like the Fortuin issue there i could shoot somebody specially if they have horns on there head
I have said this before but will say it again the SA Rugby Union needs to step in and stop any contracts being offered to schoolboys until halfway through there final year at school. Also i think all the say 50 top rugby schools need to get together and agree on what is allowed and was is not allowed and any school not staying in these parameters should be boycotted.
For example the issue of the Under16 kid from Queens that has landed up in Pretoria due to a contract with the Bulls all major schools should now put rugby sanctions on this said school and you will see how quickly this would stop. I have been made aware that the Bulls first contacted Affies and Pretoria Boys H to take this kid but they turned it down and well done to them for that.
Not sure what the rules should be but i think they need to be made maybe if we have any bloggers who know how there ex schools do it they can tell us.
@Klofie Pa: As na die artikel in “stoopstat” gekyk word het mens begrip vir die feit dat die res van die land die Pretoria skole as “muishonde” beskou. Die “plasing” van kinders by die plaaslike skole ontneem natuurlik ons plaaslike kinders van geleenthede. Wonder hoe voel die ouers en die kinders wat van geleenthede ontneem word. Ek vir een is baie bly dat Klofies en Affies die houding in neem. Die skole se sukses word deur die jare ondermyn deur die “werwings plasings” van die Blou Bul Rugby Unie.
@Woltrui:
LOL!! Nie gedink die bubble sal so gou pop nie. Daar is n helse klomp gerugte wat rondloop Woltriu, maar dis net gerugte.
Ek is baie bly Daan het die besluit geneem en dat die eerbare ooreenkoms wat gesluit tussen Affies en ons eerbiedig word. Wat anders sou ons verwag het!!
Ek glo daar is nog 1/2 skole wat dieselfde besluit gaan neem.
@Klofie Pa: Hi Klofie Pa. Hoekom stomgeslaan?
Ek het nou amper van my stoel af gebliksem!!!!
kan dit wees?
Ek is stomgeslaan!!
Big ups to Affies and Waterkloof! I support their stand 100%. If only the smaller schools could grow balls and do the same thing.Stop this legalised human trafficing by big unions (Bulls).It is killing schoolboy rugby, schools and schools’ relationships.