UPDATED
GAMES
| Weekend 2 | |||
| Wales | 19 | 26 | Samoa |
| Italy | 10 | 42 | New Zealand |
| England | 14 | 20 | Australia |
| Scotland | 10 | 21 | South Africa |
| France | 39 | 22 | Argentina |
| Weekend 1 | |||
| Italy | 28 | 23 | Tonga |
| England | 54 | 12 | Fiji |
| Wales | 12 | 26 | Argentina |
| Ireland | 12 | 16 | South Africa |
| France | 33 | 6 | Australia |
| Scotland | 22 | 51 | New Zealand |
LEADERBOARD (Updated on 17/11/2012)
| Pos | Was | Chg | Blogger | Points | School | Region |
| 1 | 2 | 1 | PAULROOSPA | 13.33 | Paul Roos | Wes Kaap |
| 2 | 1 | -1 | KlofiePa | 12.50 | Waterkloof | Binneland Bende |
| 3 | 3 | 0 | Paarlbok | 11.33 | Paarl Gym | Wes Kaap |
| 4 | 12 | 8 | Star | 11.25 | Westville | KZN – Highways |
| 5 | 7 | 2 | QC86 | 11.25 | Queens | Eastern Cape |
| 6 | 4 | -2 | Archie | 11.00 | Ben Vorster | Binneland Bende |
| 7 | 5 | -2 | Pedantic | 10.50 | Kearsney | KZN – Highways |
| 8 | 8 | 0 | Gungets Tuft | 10.50 | Maritzburg College | KZN – Pmb |
| 9 | 18 | 9 | Slam | 10.50 | Maritzburg College | KZN – Pmb |
| 10 | 15 | 5 | Playa | 10.25 | Dale | Eastern Cape |
| 11 | 11 | 0 | Ploegskaar | 10.00 | Boland Landbou | Wes Kaap |
| 12 | 6 | -6 | Gawie | 10.00 | Kearsney | KZN – Highways |
| 13 | 9 | -4 | Beet | 9.50 | Kearsney | KZN – Highways |
| 14 | 20 | 6 | Greenblooded | 9.50 | Glenwood | KZN – Durban |
| 15 | 14 | -1 | BoishaaiPa | 9.50 | Paarl Boys High | Wes Kaap |
| 16 | 10 | -6 | Horsefly No.1 | 9.25 | DHS | KZN – Durban |
| 17 | 13 | -4 | Rugger Fan | 9.00 | Maritzburg College | KZN – Pmb |
| 18 | 19 | 1 | Andre T | 9.00 | Monument | Binneland Bende |
| 19 | 16 | -3 | All Black | 8.83 | Maritzburg College | KZN – Pmb |
| 20 | 17 | -3 | BwanaOrch | 7.50 | Maritzburg College | KZN – Pmb |
| 21 | 21 | 0 | Ludz | 7.50 | Queens | Eastern Cape |
| 22 | 22 | 0 | Bog | 7.50 | Grey College | Binneland Bende |
| 23 | – | – | SACS23 | 5.50 | SACS | Wes Kaap |
| 24 | 23 | -1 | Cyndi | 4.00 | Glenwood | KZN – Durban |
| 25 | 24 | -1 | Grasshopper | – | Glenwood | KZN – Durban |
| Regions | Avg | |||||
| 1 | 1 | – | Wes Kaap | 11.15 | ||
| 2 | 2 | – | KZN – Highways | 10.31 | ||
| 3 | 3 | – | Binneland Bende | 10.00 | ||
| 4 | 4 | – | Eastern Cape | 9.67 | ||
| 5 | 5 | – | KZN – Pmb | 9.27 | ||
| 6 | 6 | – | KZN – Durban | 7.58 |
BOK TEAM
| No. | Surname | Name | School | YoB | Craven Week | SA Sch |
| 15 | Kirchner | Zane | PW Botha | 1984 | SWD2002 | – |
| 14 | Pietersen | JP | Generaal Hertzog | 1986 | Pumas2004 | – |
| 13 | De Jongh | Juan | Hugenote | 1991 | Boland2006 | – |
| 12 | de Villiers | Jean | Paarl Gym | 1981 | – | – |
| 11 | Hougaard | Francois | Paul Roos | 1988 | – | – |
| 10 | Lambie | Pat | Michaelhouse | 1990 | KZN2007-08 | SAS2008 |
| 9 | Pienaar | Ruan | Grey College | 1984 | FS2002 | SAS2002 |
| 8 | Vermeulen | Duane | Nelspruit | 1986 | Pumas2004 | – |
| 7 | Alberts | Willem | Monument | 1984 | Lions2002 | – |
| 6 | Louw | Francois | Bishops | 1985 | – | – |
| 5 | Kruger | Juandre | Paul Roos | 1985 | – | – |
| 4 | Etzebeth | Eben | Tygerberg | 1991 | WP2009 | SAS2009 |
| 3 | du Plessis | Jannie | Grey College | 1982 | FS2000 | – |
| 2 | Strauss | Adriaan | Grey College | 1985 | FS2003 | SAS2003 |
| 1 | Steenkamp | Gurthro | Paarl Boys High | 1981 | WP1998-99 | – |
| 16 | Brits | Schalk | Paul Roos | 1981 | WP1999 | SAS1999 |
| 17 | van der Merwe | Heinke | Monument | 1985 | Lions2002-03 | – |
| 18 | van der Linde | CJ | Grey College | 1980 | FS1998 | SAS1998 |
| 19 | van der Merwe | Flip | Grey College | 1985 | FS2003 | – |
| 20 | Coetzee | Marcell | Port Natal | 1991 | – | – |
| 21 | Steyn | Morne | Sand du Plessis | 1984 | FS2000-01 | – |
| 22 | Taute | Jaco | Monument | 1988 | Lions2008-09 | SAS2009 |
| 23 | Mvovo | Lwazi | Maria Louw | 1986 | Border2004 | – |
@Gungets Tuft: Where ar you that you have found some dry weather lately?
@PaulRoosPa: The buying often ruins the attitude and pride especially when the new ‘import’ battles to acclimatise and lacks performance.
I have heard of a few boys who are in Grade 10, moving school in the last week of Grade 10 so that they are not new to the school in Grade 11. Now there is a nice lesson in ethics to teach your child.
@CyndiAtRugby: This is exactly why buying a team is not working at school boy level. You can not buy attitude, ethics, pride and values. By buying I mean getting boys to come in gr11 and 12.
@CyndiAtRugby: Don’t sound so surprised. When it is dry weather and the traffic behaves too well I have plenty of time to sit on my truck and read. Pick up all sorts of interesting little sound bytes which I toss out when I need to look clever. It improves even more if I sit out of the way of the heavy diesel pollution
@Griffon:
Talking about next years U14s,don’t know anything about their current U15s apart from what you guys tell me…
As for next years new boys,eish its bad, it also seem the U14 swimming side will still be strong but not exactly as strong as before…Clifton buying loads in that regard.
@Gungets Tuft: Damn I’m agreeing with you way too much lately :grin: I train people for a large corporate and have found you can train any skills with relative ease, but when it comes to attitude, ethics and values, it is a challenge.
While I believe Glenwood’s 2nd team were a talented bunch, I also know that their heads were right and their coaches were phenomenal in keeping them humble and focussing their attitudes – you can see the difference in the way they play.
@ Beet- I think he might be. He looks familiar.
@ Star : Thanks, I see the squad is extending. Meaning plenty of depth. Sad to hear about how Couch did his collar bone, really needs to watch it now. Guess he’ll only be back next year. Looks like the u15’s for next year are shaping well. Many talented boys, the team is sure to contend for top honours
@star: Yes – he was DRSU Under 14 Vice Captain this year. Solid player with plenty scope for the future. Great addition to the team.
That means WBHS now have the 2012 DRSU U14 Captain + Vice, both good looking forward prospects.
@star: Is that the kid who is always a ballboy at Kingspark
@pedantic@greenblooded-there was a boy(big-No8)) wearing DRSU socks at the Westville U14(U15 2013)preseason.I think he is from Porties.Do you know him?
@Griffon-I think Horsy is just fishing.2 more boys however seemed to have appeared at the current U15 preseason(U16 2013). There is a wing who is also a top basketball player(very tall) and another flank( in addition to the Werda center who Pedantic feels will be a good addition to the squad). The flank and flyhalf(Nguni) who it was thought were leaving also seem to still be very much part of the mix and so Westville is spoiled for choice in many positions.Couch has however popped his collar bone doing weight training. This is an area that needs to be closely supervised at this age level.
And on that note – I expect, nay I demand a better showing from my KZN-Durban team-mates this weekend. Hopper – make some picks this time!!
Well I hope I have a better round this coming week – my last one was a shocker – fell from the team and am on the bench (17) – another bad round and I’m out the squad
Good luck to all of you for your picks.
@CyndiAtRugby: Heard a businessman the other day, reffing to the way he employs people – “Employ the right attitude, teach the skills”. Different to sport only that there has to be a certain level of born talent, but the principle is the same. No amount of talent and skill overcomes a poor attitude. Perhaps that is where the downside of big scholarships comes in at age 14 – it can breed a sense of entitlement that dulls the hunger for success. I have seen it in a number of cases. Sometimes they get it back, sometimes not.
@ Horsy : Do you know what age group they’re apperently buying for ?
@Gungets Tuft:
Guess we will have to see what happens. It is sad but at the same time, it is also life – you are responsible for your own actions and must work maintaining and doing better all the time. Last year one of the coaches told us “If you are not working towards your dream, someone else is working to beat you there.” A good lesson to learn.
@CyndiAtRugby: They will apply but the financial aid will not cover the BE as the family lives in Durban. For financial aid I guess he would end up at Northwood as it is 5km from where they live. Should probably have gone there from the start.
@Gungets Tuft: If that is the case then the parents must request financial aid – totally different from a bursary or scholarship.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: The right attitude and work ethic make a major difference in all aspects of life. There are some enormously talented kids out there who have the attitude that they only need to put in 1/4 of the work to be as successful. That gets me
Etzebeth found not guilty, as anyone who saw the video knew from the start. However – the result that bar stewarts wanted is in the bag – a gentle smearing of his name and something that will be trotted out again and again in future. Whenever the Boks run out in a test, someone will mention “enforcer Etzebeth who is known to hover on the edge of the law, escaped a citing for eye-gouging”.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SpringboksintheUK/Eben-Etzebeth-cleared-to-face-Poms-20121120
@Gungets Tuft:
i think thats where the best offer was for him but College offered him in the 3rd term(less than what Clifton offered) and he jumped at the opportunity,something about College being his dream school :razz: dont worry, everybody offers in the 3rd term but its rare that a boy will leave the school hes decided on attending the next year. dont sweat it i will waut
@GreenBlooded:
@HORSEFLY NO.1: I think if you were a fisherman you would be very persistent – the type of guy who sits out on the boat in the pouring rain even though there hasn’t been a bite all day
@HORSEFLY NO.1: I would share everything I know with you but my internet goes down every time I hit “send” on the mail. Bloody Telkom …
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Can’t imagine why a promising rugby player would go to Clifton, if he wants to do something with his rugby. Not knocking Clifton – for what they are I like the school, but not rugby. They have a more than useful hockey programme and their polo we all know about.
Strange about the 3rd term stuff, applications are normally done and dusted by then, especially the BE – perhaps he was on the waiting list (of over 300 for 2nd form BE entry) and someone else withdrew. We had a very, very good sportsman that came into the 2nd Form BE last year in the 3rd term – on the wait list, quite a few boys left, he got in. Straight into the A teams in hockey, rugby, cricket and is a good little track and field athlete as well. Bonus. I can imagine lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth when they could not make a spot for him from 1st term.
@Gungets Tuft: Mmmmm – so the boy which Glenwood had arm wrestled off of them was not an isolated incident then. Interesting.
@Gungets Tuft:
i do know of one 1stXV rugby player from Prep who was going to Clifton but snubbed it as soon as College offered him(3rd term-last minute stuff) so not all going one way :grin:
sadly, only know of 3 coming on scholarship to DHS-could be more, those are just the ones i know of…
@Gungets Tuft:
think it will happen next week, wont have to wait that long. of course, we can always exchange info
horseflyno.1@gmail.com
@CyndiAtRugby:
yes thats very true. there are too many of those who think that the school cant afford to lose them and in the end just chill. come end of year theyve lost their bursaries. its also funny that its usually the OK kids who chill, the best of the lot usually work their asses off even though the schools would do loads to keep them there. all comes down to attitude it seems.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Not sure about that number any more. As I said – some big time lobbying happening behind the scenes to get some of the prospectives to Kearsney, not all of it decent, so we will see. I have some names – 6 – which will be revealed on … uhh …. 18th January if it all comes to pass.
@CyndiAtRugby: I have heard chatter about one U15 boy on a full scholarship. It would be disaster for the family if he loses his scholarship, they could not afford to keep him in the BE without the assistance.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: From my understanding they were. There are requirements stipulated in the bursary which are standard across the board. The boy doesn’t meet those criteria the bursary/scholarship goes. The boys in question have been chilling and very confident that they would continue on bursary. It is sad for the kids in question but if you want to get a bursary you must work for it.
@Gungets Tuft:
ive just heard that WBHS is buying from left,right and centre.from what im told Westville has got the most on scholarships followed by Kearsney
http://www.dphs.co.za/prep-patter/prep-patter-1
sorry seems DPHS lost to Selborne, think that was their only loss last year also, still, pretty impressive
@All Black:
no hes from some other school in another province. NW Knight would be able to tell you more…
@Gungets Tuft:
and the amazing pencils :razz: yes i know him, think his dad played for the Sharks. i thought you said College were getting as many as 10, double what you usually get… or has that changed? i do know that College has got a very good sportsman whos made KZN U13 rugby,cricket and hockey. i usually check it out on their prep patter, i think the 37th issue published their zonal and provincial representatives in sport, pretty long for a primary school. i think the DPHS 1st XV rugby side was unbeaten this year, could be wrong though.
@CyndiAtRugby:
aahh, the pressures of bursaries are very big, were the bursaries taken away from them? really sad to hear this though.
@QC86: Hahha .. no, I wasn’t looking to see who had won, DPHS normally do a write-up of the games. The game is nice to watch at that level. It is not without it’s aggression, but it doesn’t have the professional approach to spoiling that you see in higher age groups. Sorry I missed it. Being a night game there is no excuse, not even perfect surf.
@Gungets Tuft: score is not the point,i know what the score was,but man what a game that was ,i am sorry you missed it,the class of rugby played by 13 year old kids was mind blowing,it was a night game, the field was surrounded by people,at least 4 deep,best school boy game i have ever watched
@QC86: I didn’t. Can’t even find the results but must confess to having lost touch with DPHS. Might try to make it to the prizegiving to catch up.
@Gungets Tuft: did you watch the game between DPHS v Selborne u13a at the dphs festival in June,if so what did you think?
@Gungets Tuft: Change 1002 to 102 and remove the work ‘arguably’ and your comment is 100% correct!!
@BoishaaiPa: Eisch ..
@CyndiAtRugby: Hi Cynds, I’ve been thinking a lot about you.
@Gungets Tuft: Sjoe!..that must make them by far the oldest school in SA…
@Ploegskaar: Thank you
I have heard that a number of bursary boys from Glenwood will not be returning – apparently they are not performing in academics or sport :shock: I am interested to see whether this proves correct next year.
@BoishaaiPa: Yes that sounds kosher to me. As long as there is no buying or poaching involved.
@Andre T: Durban Preparatory High School. Established 1002 years ago as a feeder school to DHS. Arguably regarded as the best sporting primary school in Durban – old school ethos and values.
http://www.dphs.co.za/
@HORSEFLY NO.1: When does DPHS announce their scholarship awards. I think they do so in the final assembly, so perhaps the programme will have the names.
@Andre T: So it is OK if a school “invites” a player to join them and pay their tuition and boarding fees?..Just laying the ground rules here.
@BoishaaiPa: Like I said…….’invites’ don’t count.
@Gungets Tuft: What is DPHS?
@Andre T: And the Moolman boeties you “invited” from Rustenburg..and the okes you “invited” from Waterkloof…Your Homegrown Honies starting to look a little thin!
We can organize something as we still need to have our official function. We had a few Non-officials ones already!
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Not sure I agree. I reckon there was at least 1 boy in the DHS U14 (rugby, polo) this year who would have been on all the shopping lists, including Kearsney and Westville. Just Kearsney BE fees are triple what DHS costs, so unless the boy is getting R100K in tuck shop money …, he went there because his old man is an Old Boy who is very involved in the resurgence of DHS. More reasons than just the money!!
College probably not getting too many DPHS boys this year, looks like Kearsney have been going “trolley for trolley” – with 2 particular moms at DPHS leading the recruitment charge. If College get DPHS boys this year it is due to the superb performance of DPHS boys at College in the last few years. 2010 head boy, 2012 Head Boy, Deputy HB, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and U16A captains as well as 1st cricket captain. That made the Patter at DPHS and speaks volumes – mostly about the matching ethos of the schools. There is not always a spook behind every bush. Not that it matters – the yearbook will tell us all – in Red, Black and White – who the scholarship winners are.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Where was the U16 boy? At DHS? 1ST team coach for DHS next year?
@BoishaaiPa: Oh yes, but an invitation is something completely different. Have you never been invited to a special place? When is your year end function? Am I invited? Seeing that I’m there in December.
@Andre T: No, the one you guys “invited” to come and play for Monnas..Chad..remember him?…Britsie will be in the squad, but he is still Gr11..think he will have to wait his turn, but he will probably play a few games.
@Gungets Tuft:
I understand what are saying…I just think boys go to the best offers,look at the SA U16 boy who’s gone to Northwood,surely it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why he’s there…the whole winning team thing is important yes but it comes after scholarship offered.don’t be fooled by Glenwood,they have way more than 30 boys on scholarship there,I have worked it out…
Also,can’t wait much longer to see the DPHS list of boys on scholarships for next year,will be interesting to see who brought the biggest cheque book this year… Think College was one of those this time around
@BoishaaiPa: The one who’s father was transferred back to Jhb? The one who would have played 2nd team at Roos and developed into a SA Academy player? Do you think Britsie will play 1sts next year?
@Andre T: I think you are confusing the issue…We dont “steel”…they apply and we reject…Talking about Monnas, do you remember the wing from Paul Roos?..The one that got Lions CW?..what was that about?
@BoishaaiPa: @BOG: Remember one thing……die deler is net so goed soos die steler…….fortunately at Monnas we use homegrown honies and develop them into world class beauties.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Relax boet, I was not trying to insult DHS, just asking a question. I was referring to OPEN level, thought that much was pretty clear. To find better than you already have at open level you are looking at some competitive boys who are :
1. Already spoken for somewhere – so you are making them offers to move.
2. Competing with the other schools for their services. My point is that right now Glenwood and Westville are more attractive destinations for the really good kids because they are schools who are currently winning. I leave KC, House, Hilton and College out of this because a Durban kid would need to board and once they reach U18 level they have pretty much settled.
At U14 and U15 it is a different matter and DHS are doing good things.
@Gungets Tuft:
There is so much talent in KZN boet, not that hard to find it.only reason why we haven’t recruited I’d because the coach has said he wants to keep the same players and have them gel…unfortunately I can’t say the same for everyone else.the state of a schools rugby has very little to do with where the very best go.they. Will go to the best offers or where they’ve always wanted to go.I mean,look at our next years intake of rugby players, as good as we’ve evr had and I…nah lll let you see for yourself.
@beet: Agree. If there is an agreement that stops recuitment into matric and into U19, then that’s it surely. No real point in then trying to get extra points for not recruiting to fill gaps in Grade 10, or at the start of Grade 11. It is like claiming that you are more law abiding because you travel at 90kph on the highway when the limit is 120.
My stance on approaching boys playing for your traditional opposition remains the same – not on.
Deal with the morale fallout in your own time.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: Horsie – you don’t think that it might be tough for DHS to try to recruit at open level. Not trying to be harsh but aspiring players would not put their last 2 years on the line in a team known to be weak. Evidence it Glenwoods ability to recru .. I mean .. attract your fly-half. Your U14/U15 is your best shot.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: DHS have had their fingers burnt in the after Gr.8 recruitment market. Maybe they have decided to take it easy for a while.
Anyway I find it hard to put down recruitment after Gr.8 when there are no set rules and every other person seems to have a different interpretation of what’s right and what’s wrong. It seems to me like all the big KZN schools (except maybe DHS right now) are either trying to get ahead, stay ahead, keep up or catch up and have IDed recruits as the way to do it.
@beet:
they were scouting for U13 players to come in at grade 8 next year, not as diabolical as you might be thinking
DHS keeping it clean :razz:
@HORSEFLY NO.1: DHS might be the exception but WBHS and others have been out there looking, maybe not for next year’s team.
DHS had that issue where their bus was spotted outside a Border region school.
@BOG: yeah sure, no boy ever left another school for Grey!..or applied to go there after gr 10
@beet
DHS not buying anyone for the open age group… I’m not too sure WBHS have bought for opens either
@Andre T: @BoishaaiPa: I am so pleased that GCB is not involved in this “schoolboy trade” and the politics that go with it.
@Andre T: In this case you are sommer both..
@BoishaaiPa: Who’s the pot and who’s the kettle?
@Andre T: WOW..I hope you are not referring to HJS as thieves…that would be really the pot calling the kettle black!
The South African Rugby Union (SARU) have the pleasure in announcing the names of the following players who have been selected to participate in an SA Under-20 Trials and Training camp held in Stellenbosch from the 2 – 9 December 2012.
Selected Players
Blue Bulls Andrew Beerwinkel
Clyde Davids
Dennis Visser
Handre Pollard
Irne Herbst
Jacques du Plessis
Jacques Rossouw
Jan Serfontein
Justin Forwood
Leneve Dames
Marvin Orrie
Neethling Fouche
Roelof Smit
Ruan Steenkamp
Free State Luan de Bruin
Jacques du Toit
Seabelo Senatla
Golden Lions Harold Vorster
Albertus Smit
Kershwin Williams
Louwrens Erasmus
KwaZulu Natal Hanco Venter
Marne Coetzee
Morne du Plessis
Robert du Preez
Stefan Ungerer
Tyler Fisher
Leopards Sylvian Mahuza
Litter Obi
Marnus Tack
Western Province Cheslin Kolbe
Freddie Kirsten
Justin Gedult
UC 54 – 19.11.2012
Justin Benn
JP Lewis
Tim Swiel
Jurie van Vuuren
Sti Sithole
WOW……..so there is still honour amongst thieves!!!!!!!
@beet: I doubt that they would have accepted them anyway. If it was a WP incentive I dont think HJS would be the beneficiaries!…There is certain unwritten rules that will not allow something like that taking place.
@BoishaaiPa: Had they fulfilled the criteria, do you think HJS would have accepted them or would there still have been further discussions.
@BoishaaiPa: It was and still could be a potentially big topic of intererst that one. Here we are talking about the Bulls model. Those 2 players had Bulls bracketed after their names on lists of who is going where after school. If say hypothetically that WPRU got in on the act, managed to make better offers, wanted to keep off the Bulls counter-offers or even just promise the kids a chance to play for WP u19 next year while still at school, then the Union would probably want to relocate the boys. But this is just guessing on my part. For the record I hope they stay put. Everyone is expecting big things from Outeniqua next year.
@PaulRoosPa: You’ve got to admit that Johann is the one Bulls thing that all the Stellenbosch faithful have to love
@beet: Yes, two boys applied for enrolment, but where turned down due to poor academic record. They were looking for better exposure in WP, but unfortunatly they did not fullfill the minimum criteria. Mayve they will pop out somewhere else, who knows!
@beet: Ah playing dirty!
@PaulRoosPa: What about Johann Rupert
@beet: I don’t like anything Bulls related, not Bulls model, not Bulls rugby, not Bulls%&t, not Bulls pink jerseys, nothing niks boggorol!
@BoishaaiPa: It’s not like it is new tho. The Bulls have made Boland their home away from home and KZN seems like they have taken a liking to the E/Cape. I’d like to believe that kids get treated really well in our schools tho. They are looked after and are not put in a flat because a school does not want to accomodate them in the BE.
I have a feeling the Bulls model will take off unless stricter national rules are put in place. Certainly all got to witness the benefits of recruiting PD players rather than trying to develop them when the Bulls won Craven Week 2012. But apart from this, securing the post school services of players at a younger age might mean Importer Unions do not have a choice in this matter. No one wants to see a reoccurance of the JP Smith/Josh Stander incident where 2 SA Schools hopefuls were not even allowed to play at CW coz they had Bulls contracts.
I also heard a story last week about 2 Outeniqua boys and a WP school. :smile:
@beet: Not that I know of.
@beet: Poaching again Bob?..You guys following the Bulls model now?..
@All Black: Now I feel like I’m at a disadvantage :smile: I heard there were new faces from the W/Cape, Zim and Pumas region at MC (not all openAG) but I though you would know better than I would
@beet: Oh really? You have me at a disadvantage. Other than a boy from upcountry in Grade 10 have no other knowledge of new boys.
@All Black: Chances are we are going to see a few new faces at all the top schools in KZN when the 2013 season gets underway. It does not look like College will be excluded from that list either.
@CyndiAtRugby: Don’t fuss too much, everyone can play action cricket, but very few the real thing. Superbru is like the former and certainly no reflection on rugby knowledge.
@GreenBlooded:
Ha ha My record with international rugby shows this is not my strength – Curry Cup and Super rugby yes.
But, yes, I will try harder or smarter or at least I will try :smile:
Any truth in Michaelhouse shopping a bit? Apparently a flyhalf from Paul Roos for next year? Can anyone confirm? Nothing new in this.
@beet: Haha – yes, only saw that last night watching highlights. In his defense he was reaching and there looked to be a little shackled hand or boot in there.
@Gungets Tuft: What about NewZie import Thomas Waldrom dropping the ball in the act of placing it over the try-line. What an arse :???:
@GreenBlooded: Right about it being a lottery. Could have, should have … England knocking on in the last minute with an overlap could have scored a converted try – I would have been spot on. Italy vs NZ – 1 point out but others got it smack on. The big pool of 25 makes it tough to get bonus points, especially since even if you get it right on the money you share the points. Next week is going to be hairy to call … Ireland – Arg, Scotland vs Tonga, France vs Samoa, SA vs England, eeisch. Where’s that donkey…
My fellow Durbanites need to come to the party here – I tried valiantly to lift our lot, rocketing 6 places into the starting line-up but alas I could not do it alone.
Horsefly – up your game son!! Dropping 6 places just offsets my hard yards.
Cyndi – you can do better than that. I know you can.
Hopper – Superbru is like the lotto in one single respect. You cannot win if you don’t buy a ticket – so please at least make some picks this week.
@ Beet-Luck Schmuck. More like class over ass. :grin: Used the Irish connection to pick up girls in pubs.Nothing sexier than being an Irish smuggler.(except a library monitor in Bloem)
@BOG: @star: O’Leary, McLoughlin and Clover Roads in Durbs were all named after some of Star’s 1000’s of relatives, this time on the Irish side and from where he drew that once off unbelievable luck we just saw this weekend. :grin:
@star: Its now so common for those in yellow, cap or jersey, to be on a banned “juice”.Hope its not the case here.
I see I picked up the yellow cap in the second round.I presume that is the same as the yellow jersey in the Tour. Time for my cyber blood transfusion
I wonder why Superbru didn’t include the Fiji vs Ireland match in this round which is being played now? I didn’t even know this match was on?
@GreenBlooded: Hahhhaaaaa .. my thoughts exactly. If there was a way for them to both lose, even better. I think I dislike England a little more (having ancient Scottish forebears), so the high point of my day would be a knock on from England in the final seconds with an open tryline with the final result a draw.
@beet: Agreed. For me an England vs Australia game presents a unique dilemma – who do I most want to lose?
I guess the perfect result would be for both teams to slug it out at full intensity for 80 minutes, deliver and receive a tremendous deal of pain and the final score is 0-0.
@Gungets Tuft: This is a no brainer for me. An England vs Australia duel at Twickenham is usually a highlight game in the calendar year.
Tjaaarsuss .. going to get a sore thumb swapping channels this arvie again as well. Wonder which of the NZ vs Italy or Aus vs Mud Island they will televise.
@GreenBlooded: Over-legislated indeed. Who remembers the days when lifting was not allowed in the lineout, but there was an endless debate about whether it was lifting, supporting etc. So, drop the damn law. It has worked magnificently, given us a whole new dimension and skill, with none of the opinion nonsense that used to plague the lineout. Just crouch, set and that’s the end of it, it will make the engage fairer avoiding the early hit. Another area is the ruck/maul, now complicated even further with the so-called 5 second rule, where the ref has carte blanche to interpret how he (or Mrs Jordaan) likes, and cheat if he feels the need. Mark Lawrance will just get irritated with one team and proceed to blow them to death.
I think we need a few KES boys in the team to create a bit of a vibe with the Green ones.Where art thou Roger/Martin?
@beet: I must say that you are very accommodating. With this large print, old folks like AT, can read what is going on here without their bi-focals.
@Andre T: Now you have blown it – hubby and son both read this blog!!!
I got all excited about being in 3rd last position … until I saw the last 2 hadn’t made picks. :sad:
@Gungets Tuft: When I played the game as a dark arts practitioner – you know those guys with their IQ on their backs – the 2 scrums formed up and engaged when they were ready. Finnish and klaar. The whole cadence sequence now days is to me another of many examples where the game is over-legislated. I say this from the perspective of a spectator and a referee. It was brought about to reduce the number of reset scrums and scrum collapses which bring both a safety and a playing time improvement to the game – so say the statistics. I’m not so sure – you know what they say about statistics. DO these include all the penalties for not binding, touching the ground, not touching pre-engage, scrumming upwards – the list goes on.
Anyhow – I’m not too concerned about how this was interpretted last night because I was one of 2 or 3 which didn’t get my GSP yanked in the first game and rocketed up the charts by 10 places!!
@BoishaaiPa: Bwahha .. agree. Amazing how a Bru pick can change your loyalty and even make the ref biased
I will bear in mind that we just saw the 6-Nations Grand Slam champs owned by a bunch of fruit eating part-time rugby players. Sies.
@beet: Can anyone explain to me why the new law is so different. For all intents all that has changed is the length of the pause (which is still there, just without the ref squeaking “paaauuuuusse” while they steady themselves) and them a single syllable “Set” instead of the dual ennnnGuage, or ENguage where nobody knew when the hell to actually engage. Everyone is making such a big deal about it, I can’t see why, unless they are assuming that forwards are thick and need to be un-Pavlov’d. Even the “touch” is daft for me, the only reason I can see for it is to make sure that packs are close enough together – assuming that the ref is too stupid to get them there without a tape measure.
@BoishaaiPa:
%@3$*@&& Welsh!!..second game in a row were they dropped me…Never can trust a %$@*& Welshman!…Apologies to anyone with Welsh ancestry, only meant for their rugby players!
@Gungets Tuft: The NH have been using the new scrum engage laws and player 23 since their season started in Aug. If anything I thought this would give them a big advantage at scrumtime. Then again it doesn’t help if the props from the SH teams they face ply their trade in Europe anyway.
@beet: Tjaaas. I thought the ref was a bit OTT in the scrums though. A couple of times those scrums were just not viable yet the Welsh were pinned for no bind. Something has to change there – today’s skin tight jerseys make it impossible to get a bind sometimes and a penalty just seems too harsh. Failure to bind should be no more than a short arm, how can a bad bind be treated the same way as a deliberate or scrumming collapse after the ball is in.
Man alive Wales 19 Samoa 26. Wales are so kak at the moment. Samoa scrummed them to bits in the last quarter.
@Ploegskaar: do you know mrs Justino,if so can you send me a photo
@Ploegskaar: Mozambique.I am very familiar with Potuguese dishes like Arroz de Pato, Galinha a Piri Piri,Pregos, Bacalhau, Caldo Verde, Pasteis de Nata and of course Rissoles de camarao.Porras hate all forms of taxes. In Mozambique and other ex colonies, a very basic salary is paid in local currency, on which you pay tax. The biggest portion is paid in hard currency in Europe- tax free. I hope that they are not doing anything less for you. I was in the dip sevice, so it had no impact on me(benefits)
@BOG: Brazil, Angola or Mozambique? I have been working for a Portuguese owned company for 15 years, so am very familiar with both their food and customs, good, honest VAT-hating people. Sounds like I will have to make the sign of the horns when I walk through Andre’s front door, and that’s not a good thing…
@Ploegskaar: He has several- you need to ask him about the present ones nationality. I lived in a Potuguese speaking country for 7 years, so I am very famiar and mad about Porra cuisine.And I have a tyre to prove it.
@BOG: Portuguese? I thought it was a Latvian mother in law? What an interesing cultural experience that must be though, discovering the Portuguese ATM (money instead of ice cream in the tub in the fridge), learning to appreciate bacalau and learning to braai anything, from sausage and chicken to steak on a bayleaf speet (sic).
@Andre T: And you dont participate in the drinking? And how is the Portuguese mother-in-law? Or are you busy upgrading again? Just dont fool yourself by convincing yourself that you are doing the upgrading. If a man was born in 1952, he needs to settle down. One needs someone to hold your hand when sitting down in your rocking chair. Soon, the only thing of you that will be “going out”, is your back and all the names in your little black book, are names of medical professionals.
Comments about reffing moved here:
http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/blog/?p=1607
@BOG: I’m staying on the outskirts of Klerksdorp, against the Bokslagtersvallei koppies with a lovely view towards Stilfontein’s mine dumps. When the wind blows, which is almost every day, the sand from the dumps form a kind of misty effect which we call Black Rain. People with sinus problems do not tend to last long here and cough medicines are even available on every street corner. Besides all this the men do drink a lot out here which in turn causes a surplus of lonely women.
@CyndiAtRugby: Are we still on for the year end function? I’ll be travelling a long way to be there and would appreciate your hospitality. I’ll try and stay in the Blue Waters Hotel seeing that the Four Seasons is not so nice anymore.
@Andre T: You are confused and making the same mistake as Cyndi. Schoeman Park is green and lush and the air fresh.I know that Cyndi confused it with Noth Beach in Durbs, but you? Klerksdorps main street?
@Andre T: You never know – I have managed one or two yellow caps in the past.
Now just have to convince my non-rugby following husband that the remote control belongs to me this weekend. :shock:
@BOG: Sal interessant wees om die nuwe name in jul beginspanne die jaar te sien maar soos jy noem is akademie ook bitter belangrik in die hedendaagse rugbyspeler as jy in ag neem the way our open teams play with so much thinking and brains lately. Even the coach is apparently an intellectual freak. Sorry for switching languages but I forgot the pledge made by Ploeg. Please let me know when Schoeman Park’s fairways turn green as I’ve been there in mid summer playing on cement greens and yellow grass.
@Haker: I am not close to the rugby at Grey. I am a long distance but very enthusiastic follower, but from what I gather, yes, its looking good- from U14 up!. Add to that the boys from the Cape and elsewhere, who joins the school in Gr 10,11,not only to improve their rugby, but also brush up their maths and science.(LOL)I also hope that the coach who joined the 1st team in the second half of the season(Du Plessis, I think) will be in the mix from the start.And lastly, to gain some Free State culture and enjoy the fresh air amongst the green and lush valleys of Bloemfonteins west side.
@Haker: Difficult to leave it at that when you very unfairly include BL in your list of major complainers, but so be it, also looking forward to a good 2013 and hopefully the rugby, and not the officials, will dominate our discussions.
@BOG: FRom what I’ve seen at age group tournaments the last couple of years I predict Grey can look forward to a few good seasons again. Paul Roos will also be back with a bang from this year and I’m not too sure about Affies. They might experience some difficulty if key players get injured as their u/16’s from last year were very average.
@Ploegskaar: hahaha, good stuff, xhosa seems ok
@Ludz: Kulungile mhlobo wam, we will respect this Forum of the Last outpost.
@Klofie Pa: If you get points for predicting a Porridge Wog win over the Boks I will braai that donkey rather than pinning on the tail, but you are correct, and recent history ook.
Abanye bethu ngaba-xhosa ke..so shall we please refrain from using afrikaans, asseblief manne, imagine how confusing it’ll get if I post in Xhosa here
@QC86: and would still klap the Bokke with more than 25!!
@BoishaaiPa: yep!! maar kan ook so maklik terugbyt ne!!
@beet: still early days but thinking about my 2 predictions, my lead might just go out the window after this weekend!! but hey wouldn’t be the first time the Scottish lads upset the Bokke
@QC86: Tjaaas Beet – Tictakly astute. If I had paid attention at the end of the Rugby Champs I would have done exactly what you did. Will not make that mistake again but John M20 is looking hard to beat so far. I am going to resort to a “pin the tail on the donkey” approach – probably more accurate.
@beet: or 14 changes like the AB team :???:
@star: Ask the College bloggers about my come from behind win last time. Basically I see my main rival as Klofiepa. Seems like he is the only one who hasn’t seriously considered giving the XanGo to his mother-in-law and therefore has plenty of incentive to win.
But honestly I don’t look at anyone else’s picks I just like picking when I’m fairly sure there won’t be any late withdrawals esp of key players.
@ Beet- I see you have not picked yet.Are you trying to slip stream me?Won’t be the first time?
@BOG: Nee man BOG, dit sê Kwaggas voor op die bleddie trui, hoe dan nou?
@Haker: Hoe bedoel meneer nou met onpartydig?
@Haker: Is die pers in die agtergrond bloot net om julle sigbaar te maak? Ek wag nog om te hoor watter skool is dit?Ek neem aan, met Ploeg se opgewondenheid, is dit in die Kaap.
@Ploegskaar: Die seuns speel soms in die swart trui ook maar ek persoonlik verkies die witte en ja meneer, ons sien julle by die Windmeul volgende seisoen en ek hoop van harte julle stel n onpartydige skeidsregter aan.
@beet: Yep. I thought Aus vs France would be close but the Aussies are really difficult to read. Not helping the coaches cause.
@Haker: Moet daai trui nie swart met swart/goud/pers moue wees nie? My gat brand nog na daai naelskraap verloor vroeër die jaar daar by julle, speel julle 2013 by ons?
@beet: Can I change my selections somehow? After doing them, I was quite shocked to see how close I am with my scores to that of AT.@Haker: Wat my betref is jy verkeerd- meer isi Xhosa as Tswana- my pedigree is hierbo. Wat AT betref,is jy amper in die kol. Hys egter nie van Bangalore nie, maar van Deli- hy is AT Patel.
Need to call some upsets this week
Thank you so much mr moderator for my jersey. It really looks good.
@BOG: @Andre T: Ek sien julle menere is eintlik afrikaans, ek het gewonder gister wat julle is want soos my engels is julle s’n ook nie te waffers nie. Ek het vir n oomblik dalk gedink BOG is n Tswana en AndreT van Bangalore.
@BOG: Laat weet my waar ek kan inskakel, Ek raak Bekommerd.@BOG: Wasn’t it your son that was born on a staircase in front of Upton Park? What is your prediction for Saturday? Scots by how many?
@beet: Knowing that we are pre-dominantly communicating with the last outpost, we will stick to the English vernacular.I have my Free State Edition of the Oxford Concise besides me as an aid. No, jokes aside, my late mom was an Anglicized German (You only get that in the Eastern Cape), my late dad , a boer, but went to Selborne(had no choice- where is Skim?) Going to Grey, was a compromise (which I am grateful for). My wife (of many yrs) is English speaking, so to, my children. My son is even British, by BIRTH with passport and all, nogal. And the worst tragedy of all, is that my daughter is being courted by a Kearsney OB, despite clear markings on her forehead “Reserved for Grey OB” Other than poisoning, would ordinary Doom help to get rid of him? Otherwise, he is fairly decent.
@Klofie Pa: Two “upset” predictions you have there, but if it pays off, you will be gone and way ahead…if not..welcome back to the middle! :grin:
@Andre T: Is jy pro- of anti semities? Indien pro, sal ek jou se, maar ek “vermoed” jy weet reeds. Is jy “Sjert” of “Piet”? Wil jy Klerksdorp laat inskakel by hulle gebied?
@Andre T: Ek het eintlik ‘n paar jare gelede Rugby op Kyknet gekyk. Man elke ander woord wat die inskakelaars gebruik het was ‘n Engelse word. Praat gerus Afrikaans hier rond. Niemand sal jou byt nie of “bite” soos hulle op Kyknet se.
sticking out my neck on superbru!!!
lets see :cool: :cool:
@BOG: Het jy dalk enige idee hoe sluit mens aan by n Pro Afrikaanse Aksiegroep?
@BOG: Follow me…..I’m right behind you. Don’t ching-chong-cha with Miss Styger again this week. Maybe Cyndi can help you.
@beet: Please give AT directions on how to access EVERY week. Keep in mind his age. And while you give him directions, I may as well follow them too.
@All Black: I agree 100%. France beating Australia was on the cards but given the present squad and recent form of Wales, it was a huge surprise to see them get handled like that at home.
I cant believe anyone called the Argies beating Wales or the hammering Aus got from France.
My predictions are in……..this week I’ll be spot on. Can’t believe Bog predicted Ireland by 9 last week.
@Andre T: Thanks Andre. I switched Taute and de Jongh but not their stats.
http://www.superbru.com
Don’t know how to get into that prediction site again. Will still go with my heart this week and see if I can improve.
And I see Taute played for Boland.
Ok Beet, even you can make a mistake……although not too many. Well done otherwise on a great blog.
Why did Juan de Jong play for Lions at CW?
Please, please, please. Taute for 15.