Early days but what would your thumb-suck be?
| No. | SCHOOL |
|---|---|
| 1 | Affies |
| 2 | Grey College |
| 3 | HJS Paarl BH |
| 4 | Paul Roos |
| 5 | Monument |
| 6 | Paarl Gim |
| 7 | Garsfontein |
| 8 | Glenwood |
| 9 | Boland Landbou |
| 10 | EG Jansen |
| 11 | Grey HS |
| 12 | Jeppe |
| 13 | Oakdale |
| 14 | Outeniqua |
| 15 | Selborne |
| 16 | HTS Middelburg |
| 17 | Helpmekaar |
| 18 | Nelspruit |
| 19 | Stellenberg |
| 20 | Dale |
| 21 | Wynberg |
| 22 | Kearsney |
| 23 | SACS |
| 24 | Waterkloof |
| 25 | Michaelhouse |
| 26 | Marlow |
| 27 | Ben Vorster |
| 28 | KES |
| 29 | Kingswood |
| 30 | Welkom Gim |
| 30 | Diamantveld |
@BoishaaiPa: ????. Mag ons die kategorieë sien.
@BoishaaiPa: Kan ons groot asb die indeling van die skole volgens kategorie punt sien vir die seisoen/
SA School Sports TotalSports First XV Rankings of 2016
Grey College
Affies
Grey HS
PBH
Garsfontein
Paul Roos
Glenwood
EG Jansen
Boland Landbou
Paarl Gim
Top ten basically the same as thumbsuck top ten except for Grey HS. Still early days!
@beet: When will you suck on your thumb again for an updated version after the Easter weekend games??
Oakdale kry groot skrik in Walvisbaai maar wen darem vir Privaatskool Elnatan met 12-10.
How far back does the ranking of teams go? Does anyone know?
If so what would the chances be to get a sheet of these rankings published for the past how many years this has been going?
@BoishaaiPa: Kan op sommige punte met jou saamstem en met ander verskil. Feite is: 1. Dit was d….ers close en 2. Ze score iz ze score.
@Andre T: Ja die ‘life streaming’ het my baie geld gespaar daarmee saam.
Mens sal net graag julle radio kommentaar wou opvang in Nelspruit saam die streamimg. Ek dink dit sal ‘n wenner wees
Lyk my om live steaming te kyk bring mens baie nader aan die aksie…………wonder hoe Helpies se 6 daarop lyk
@BrotherBear: Moontlike miskien, maar volgens die reels nie toelaatbaar. Elkeen sien maar wat hy wil sien en nie soseer wat altyd korrek is nie. Ek het weer gedink dat as Helpies se agterlyn nog meer onkant was het hulle saam met ons outjies gejol!..geen tackle release by omtrent elke tackle nie ens ens ens…gaan kyk maar ook weer die video. Mens sien graag raak wat jy wil en het oogklappe vir jou eie foute!..
@Luvthegame: believe KES plays HM Friday afternoon before Lions/Crusaders clash. One to watch.
@beet: Definitely not writing off the private schools, but reality is that GW look the only real deal so far this year. It will be tough at the end of April but I agree with you that if we can do something there and then beat KES, we will be worthy of that Top 20 spot. What is the KES team looking like this year? and Wynberg…looked at the results of the other festivals but not sure what to make of them? And also PBHS…ALWAYS A TOUGH GAME FOR THE RBW. Thanks again for your effort in this blog Beet…always enjoy it and is very helpful in understanding the schoolboy rugby season! Enjoy…
@GreenBlooded: @GreenBlooded: Hey there…I watched RW at flyhalf most of last year and he is the real deal. Great flyhalf with an expansive game and a great eye for the gap. It was interesting yesterday to see him at scrumhalf and Muller at flyhalf. I agree with Beet that at the moment it may be the best option for MC. RW had a great game and along with JT they are good for the future. I like JT and his ability to run hard and have that extra increase in pace when needed. So it bodes well for the future…agree with most of the bloggers that MC seem to be lacking in size which is not unusual for them but the skills are also lacking which could hopefully change as the season goes on! RW and JT…Good un’s…will watch them closely!
@McCulleys Workshop: I prefer bloodless duels, so a friendly handshake and a well done to the winner after the game would suffice for me. if you read my original blog, I was in no way saying that MC would dominate this year, in fact it has been a year I have been concerned about since 2012. I just thought out of the top 30 may be a bit harsh…but that is my own opinion. I agree that GW will be top dog in KZN and the rest are all at best average and maybe a bit above. Which does bring DHS and Northwood into the balance and that is good for schoolboy rugby. The gap is most definitely widening and it does ring alarm bells for the future of good old fashioned schoolboy rugby! Look forward to meeting you…may schoolboy rugby win!!!
Attended St John’s over Easter. Thought rugby was of good standard. HM vs Boishaai – kon enige kant toe gegaan het. HM defnitief ongelukkig vir ten minste een drie. Dink Monnas HM miskien onderskat. HM lang pad gestap om oor te gaan groot skole toe terwyl hulle nog medium was. Sal moet sien hoe die volgende jare gaan. Affies die span to beat, maar het nog nie Garsfontein of EG Jansen sien speel nie. Dink ondersteuners/ouers maak fout deur tellings te vergelyk tussen skoolspanne. Heard that on Monday when I think some Affies parents were discussing HM loss against them and HM doing well against Boishaai. Min te kies tussen top skole. Hoop spelers word opgepas. Verskeie great spelers gesien. Rugbygroete.
@McCulleys Workshop: “I think all the KZN sides, except Grasshopper, will battle this year. It seems the gap between rugby academies and everyday schools, is widening”
Agreed – Grogper will be tough – and TENGKWA even tougher!
@Losbal: noudat jy dit ophaal: 2 moontlike driee nie toegeken aan Helpies en twee onregmatige strafskoppe aan Boishaai. Kyk eers die video voor jy kommentaar lewer.
@Brotherbear: …..and I supposose Affies scraped through to win Helpies 58-12 ealier as well? I know refs that can swing games that far but they are not from Blue Bull country – maybe a bit more central
@sewes: Jy het vergeet om julle wen teen Goudveld te noem.
@BrotherBear: he he.
BH scrapes through against Helpies!
@Luvthegame: Ok, this is now a duel? Are we using muskets or swords on Meadows? The reality is, don’t start out over optimistically, unless you have good reason to (and after watching 10 min at DHS, you didn’t have reason to, neither did we), let the season speak for itself. College are at best average this year, as are House. It’s just a reality and no disrespect. You can’t expect to do a Houdini week after week when you lack size and sheer skill, coaching and tradition can only get you so far. I think all the KZN sides, except Grasshopper, will battle this year. It seems the gap between rugby academies and everyday schools, is widening.
@sewes: Dankie ou Sewes vir jou huldeblyk
Waterkloof het 5games in 9 dae gespeel dit was nie altyd mooi nie vernaam vandag teen marlow .Die score teen jeppe en outeniqua moes anders gelyk het maar ons vat die verloor.Gim het agt en twintig punte in die tweede helfte van foute af aan geteken wat ek eindelik se is waterkloof is nie so swak nie spanne soos grey pe,dale,maritzburg,stellenberg en veral Rustenburg en pietersburg het nog teen geen groot skool gespeel en hul self bewys nie die oefen game teen Nelspruit was baie gelyk en kloof het sy hele tweede span kans gegee om te speel.Groot games soos AHS,Helpmekaar,HJS,Boland Landbou Garsfontein Monas en weer Jeppe wat voor le sal ons seisoen bepaal maar baie werk le voor.IN die drie en twintig tal is slegs nege o/18 die res is O/17 met geen o/19 nie.
@beet:
Thanks for that. Good to know. RW is a good mate of my lighties – as is JT – so been following them since U14. I really rate both of them – natural talent in abundance.
@GreenBlooded: Not a great day for College rugby and not easy to be a 9 behind a pack under pressure but for what it’s worth I would stick with the 9-10 combo used today. Have seen Williamson in lower age-groups and think that he can gain confidence and add some creative touches down the line but decision centres around Muller who appears to be College’s best option at 10 right now. Most of the best attacking things that have happened to College this year have involved Guma, who needs to be in the game a lot more. College perhaps need to gamble with him at 15 where he would have space to counter-attack. Let the van Blerk who’s place-kicking is key, play on the wing. All the KZN teams bar Michaelhouse seem to have issues with backline fluency so not sure what the answer is at 13. MC has to juggle between Mjara, Duma and possibly Truter. One player who really stood out in the College backline today was the wing Gergan. Took some good highballs, strength to stay on his feet well and showed purpose with a few of his carries.
@Rugger fan: Hope we won’t have to wait another 24 years for another meeting.
@Luvthegame:
I wasn’t able to stay for the game unfortunately – any comments on the youngster Ross Williamson who got his first run at scrumhalf today?
@McCulleys Workshop: fortunately I don’t do silly things like go to Splashy…will admit we got pasted today. Lots to do and going to be tough…I choose to remain positive. I believe we will be on Meadows in a few weeks time…let’s leave it to the day and the team to speak. I do enjoy your optimism, makes for good reading! Maybe we can meet on Meadows and watch the game together…always up for meeting new rugby lovers like yourself…btw House performed rather well against some tough opposition this weekend. Well done n the win against Boys High! Enjoy the season…
@beet: Beet….that was a big hurdle. Was always going to be and always aware that we may come off badly 2nd best. EG is a quality team and will be top10 more than likely…there were moments when College looked good but they were few and far between. We were beaten by a better team today…if we can get the right combinations and get some cohesion the season can turn for our good. Must say your top 10 early on looks good…we look forward to the season! Enjoy…
MUCH too early to make any predictions. Affies scrape through against Paul Roos (no Blue Bull referee) and Paul Roos scrape through against Monnas. Helpmekaar beats Monnas convincingly. Boys High extremely lucky to beat Helpmekaar, or was Helpmekaar unlucky.?
@Luvthegame: I think you are certainly looking through those RBW lenses. I agree College has a lot of heart and a lot of potential – but there is a huge mountain to climb – and right now – we are rightfully out of the Top30 – no reason for us not to change that however – I certainly agree that we can pull off some big wins along the way – and I’m sure that all teams (with the exception of GW, Affies and Grey) are going have a good chance of College taking the scalp. GW, Grey and Affies with their big packs are going to take something special to beat.
But we need to hold on to the ball and get the points on the board. Dale and Selborne could easily have been a RBW victory – but alas – the scoreboard shows otherwise – and we need to give credit to @Playa and his team until next time!
@Grasshopper:
So the mighty Green Machine come away as the only team to win all their matches at KERF! Bodes well for the season ahead. We done to Rudi and the boys!! GO GREEN!!!
32-5 win over Dale, I hear some flashes of great but overall still not in 5th gear….a win is a win though :-)
20-5 HT score to Glenwood. Palvie yellow carded.
@Grasshopper: No it puts nothing into perspective about Glenwood. It puts into perspective the season facing MC.
47-8 to EG Jansen with 5 minutes to play. I think it puts Glenwood’s win over them into some perspective now…
@Luvthegame: At half time against EG, I trust you are seeing through the haze of Splashy!
@kosie: Dan hoort Eldoraigne seker net bo Hudson Park.
Boland Landbou will end the year higher up the list.
@kosie: Agreed, Waterkloof are usually easy Top 10 but it seems they having a slightly weaker year…
For me Hudson Park should feature in the top 30 at this stage. I also think there is a difference between perceived strength and actual strength. Perceived strength we get from the 5/10 year ranking as Grassy says and the actual strength we get from the current year’s ranking.
I don’t dismiss the place of a long term ranking but the one that we are all accustomed to seeing attempts to portray the relative positions of current 1st teams in for the curent season. Using the Affies 2014 example, that showed a team ranked somewhere in the 30’s back then. I doubt anyone looked at that and arrived at the conclusion that Affies was a poor rugby school. It was rather an acknowledgement of a good school having a below average year, something that a 5 or 10 year based ranking would have covered up.
@Grasshopper: Good summary… Your last sentence is the key factor.
@4×4: Happy to debate your comments with you one day somewhere on a rock. 2014 was thrown to the wolves. Very bad “sportsmanship support” from various parties in the community.
@4×4: Too much is read into under14 results, one can never equate a good under 14 bunch with a good 1st team in 4 years from then on. Far too much growing and psychological development for the boys to go through. A lock in grade 8 might be a flyhalf by matric. Agreed good coaching and sticking with the boys will produce the results later on.
@Tandem: It will be interesting to follow the Affies current under 14 and 15 teams as they do not have a magnitute of stars, and as such there develoment will be based on good coaching. It will be very interesting to see how these teams will fare in there matric years and if we will see a repeat of the 2014 season.
I have to comment that the under 15 team is coming around with leaps and bounds already this season and it appears that the coaching staff is commiting their pound of flesh to the party.
@Tandem: Aah, OK. No offence taken. I was just confused.
Agree with Tandem, a 10 year cumulative Top 20 is best. Flash in the pans are then avoided. We all know what a cumulative Top 10 would look like, Grey Bloem, Paarl Boys, Paarl Gim, Affies, Paul Roos, Monnas, Waterkloof & Outeniqua would be the start. Taking my school, Glenwood, for 80 years they were always top 5 in KZN and probably Top 50 in SA, no focus on rugby. Only since around 1998 have they focused on improving training, nutrition & bringing in the best grade 8 in take possible have they moved up to a solid Top 20 team. Only 5 years ago did they make the mistake of poaching a few players and obviously an age debacle, but generally they always contend with top 10 teams across the age groups. They are not flash in the pans, but a good rugby school now…
Interesting…..I think Selborne in top 10
Kearsney, Diamantveld and Welkom Gim should rate better and to be in top 20.
Glenwood is going to get a top 5 position.
Waterkloof to drop out, replaced by Pietersburg or Rustenberg
Nelspruit to drop out of top 20, Paarl gim out of top10
@Vleis: Sorry if I got it wrong was it the year before ? The point was not to attack Affies ( I am actually a big fan ) but to point out that great teams also have bad years and wanted to make the point that it is meaningless just to focus on one year . No offense intended
@Tandem: “Affies were no where on the rankings last year”? They were #2.
The potential ranking suggested looks logical but we know these teams are so close that anything is possible and between the suggested top 10 any team can be in any of these positions . Frankly as said last year I personally cannot get the obsession of the ranking because as long as a team is consistently in top 10 every year then it means they are a very good rugby school . The fractions in the calculations between the various teams have too much to do with luck ,ref calls against your team on a given day , if you play home or away , injuries etc . Take last year as an example when Affies were no where on the rankings and now they are predicted to be nr 1 . Did that make them a bad rugby school last year and a good one this year ? It is much better to look at a schools progress over a weighted 5 year average because that take the once in a blue moon flash in the pan performances out of the equation .
@beet: But first the EG Jansen hurdle. That will be a massive challenge.
@Luvthegame: Even if you want to write off the private school challenge, College have to go down to the Cape and play both SACS and Wynberg with a day’s rest between then head back home and go up to Jozi to play KES just a few days later. If the RBW can win those three, they deserve a Top 20 spot. Westville won’t be a pushover either.
Top 10 so far: Paul Roos, Grey college, Affies, Paarl BH, Boland Landbou, Glenwood, EG Jansen, Garsfontein, Monument, Paarl Gim,
@McCulleys Workshop: Hahahaha!!!!
Ek wonder of die ranking by moreaand anders sal lyk, n paar groot clashes more! Wie gaan na afloop van die paastoernooi wedstryde sing vini vidi vici ?
@Luvthegame: You obviously are joking or you’ve just extracted yourself from Splashy!
Must be a really early season thumb suck…House riding on last year. Can’t see them in the top20 and they don’t play any of the big boys. Glen wood at 8 a stretch for me? No College in the top 30…they will win some big games this year. Dale could be a bit higher…and KC won’t be there at the end of the season. Big thumb suck at this stage…we will wait and see! Never write off the Red Black and White…some good quality players with loads of potential. Grey College will be. Big test up front but after that only Affies and maybe GW to pose a problem…excited for a great season!
@beet. Looks fair to me as a current thumbsuck …..Would just swop no 6 Paarl Gim around with no 10 EG Jansen….
Seems a fair thumb suck – I must say KZN looking very weak early on (apart from Kearsney and Glenwood). MH o be in your top 30 – but they seem to have improved from their outing 2 weeks back against Glenwood XV