| INFO | DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | EVENT | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tue.14Apr | Monument | 55 | 10 | Noordheuwel | ||
| Fri.17Apr | Lazio (Ita) | 10 | 0 | St David’s | O/seas Tour | |
| Fri.17Apr | Roma (Ital | 5 | 19 | St David’s | O/seas Tour | |
| Fri.17Apr | Drostdy | 55 | 10 | Klein Nederburg | ||
| Fri.17Apr | Grens | 20 | 49 | Selborne | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Glenwood | 57 | 12 | Maritzburg College | @ Kings Park | |
| Sat.18Apr | Clifton | 10 | 50 | DHS | ||
| Sat.18Apr | George Campbell | 15 | 12 | St Charles | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Port Natal | 15 | 17 | Kloof | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Queen’s | 19 | 29 | Dale | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Cambridge | 0 | 12 | Hudson Park | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Marlow | 20 | 22 | Brandwag | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Kirkwood | 10 | 51 | Muir | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Nico Malan | 32 | 18 | Langenhoven Gim | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Grey HS | 3 | 34 | Paul Roos | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Diamantveld | 37 | 3 | Menlopark | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Upington | 66 | 0 | Menlopark 2nd XV | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Grey College | 52 | 0 | Fichardtpark | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Grey Cherries | 33 | 12 | Jim Fouche | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Sentraal | 41 | 34 | Louis Botha | ||
| Sat.18Apr | AHS Kroonstad | 12 | 10 | Voortrekker (Beth) | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Kroonstad | 34 | 43 | Hentie Cilliers | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Welkom Gim | 20 | 12 | Witteberg | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Goudveld | 29 | 19 | HTS Welkom | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Duineveld | 21 | 12 | Landboudal | ||
| Sat.18Apr | President Steyn | 28 | 17 | St Andrew’s School | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Linden | 13 | 24 | Volkskool Heidelberg | NWU Vaal Final | |
| Sat.18Apr | Wonderboom | 13 | 16 | Middelburg | Puk Prestige: Cup SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Wesvalia | 3 | 55 | Potch Gim | Puk Prestige: Cup SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Die Anker | 15 | 12 | Hugenote (Springs) | Puk Prestige: Plate SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Potch Volkskool | 15 | 17 | Noordheuwel | Puk Prestige: Plate SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Zwartkop | 41 | 12 | Oosterlig | Puk Prestige: Shield SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Driehoek | – | – | Lichtenburg | Puk Prestige: Shield SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Bastion | 15 | 12 | HTS Witbank | Puk Prestige: Bowl SF | |
| Sat.18Apr | Hoogenhout | – | – | Jeugland | Puk Prestige: Bowl SF | |
| QF1 | Sat.18Apr | Monument | 28 | 5 | HTS Middelburg | Tuks-Reeks |
| QF2 | Sat.18Apr | Garsfontein | 46 | 17 | Pietersburg | Tuks-Reeks |
| QF3 | Sat.18Apr | Eldoraigne | 15 | 35 | EG Jansen | Tuks-Reeks |
| QF4 | Sat.18Apr | Nelspruit | 31 | 21 | Kempton Park | Tuks-Reeks |
| PL1 | Sat.18Apr | Transvalia | 11 | 7 | Rustenburg | Tuks-Reeks |
| PL2 | Sat.18Apr | Marais Viljoen | 17 | 3 | Vereeniging Gim | Tuks-Reeks |
| PL3 | Sat.18Apr | Klerksdorp | 12 | 21 | Centurion | Tuks-Reeks |
| PL4 | Sat.18Apr | Florida | 17 | 31 | Ermelo | Tuks-Reeks |
| Sat.18Apr | Jeppe | 29 | 22 | Northwood | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Affies | 33 | 10 | Westville | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Pretoria BH | 11 | 16 | KES | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Oos-Moot | 13 | 14 | John Vorster | ||
| Sat.18Apr | SACS | 26 | 24 | Boland Landbou | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Bellville | 56 | 10 | De Kuilen | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Milnerton | 19 | 31 | Durbanville | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Strand | 43 | 7 | HTS Bellville | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Klein Nederburg | 10 | 35 | Hugenote | ||
| Sat.18Apr | HJS Paarl BH | 23 | 17 | Outeniqua | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Bishops | 35 | 32 | Paarl Gim | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Oudtshoorn | 21 | 20 | Pearson | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Wynberg | 19 | 38 | Rondebosch | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Stellenberg | 38 | 12 | Tygerberg | ||
| Sat.18Apr | Swartland | 7 | 40 | Worcester Gim |
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@Dave41: Having watched the PR-Grey High game, I have to agree. The inside backs did not create anything, while the grey forwards were outmuscled. It is hard to build any momentum if you constantly lose your lineouts. I thought the PR locks, especially no 5, had excellent games. The PR flyhalf and fullback also looked good.
Rugbyman. Ek is bly julle neem ‘n ruskans na daai redelike absurde skedule van julle gedurende die vakanasie. Julle is heelwat beter as wat sie uitslae wys. Het julle brein trust darem uit die foute geleer en gaan volgende jaar ‘n rustiger skedule hê. Julle sal seker nou al kan kies en keur watter uitnodigings julle wil aanvaar al dan nie?
@BOG: Ek doen dit nog steeds!..
@BoishaaiPa: korrek
@BoishaaiPa: Dan moes jy hulle gesien het by daai teater. Was dit die De Villiers teater? Ons het hulle “The Beautiful People” genoem (hulle eie opinie natuurlik) Maar gelukkig het ons n manier gekry om hulle te “genees” Ons het ook skielik n liefde ontwikkel vir die “kunste”, maar ons “dress code” het n bietjie verskil. Hulle was in tuxedos en ons in gebleikte jeans en sandale. Hulle het wyn gedrink met die pinkie in die lug, en ons het gearriveer, met reeds 2 bottels Tassies in die lyf. En ons het hierdie onverklaarde “behoefte” gehad om met hulle te wil kommunikeer
@Die Ken: Dis mos maar hoe mens die omgewing ervaar wat jou indrukke vorm…ek het self 6 jaar op Stellenbosch gebly as student en het nog baie vriende wat nou daar as volwassenes woon en werk…asook in die Paarl en omgewing….Die sosiale kringe is so effens meer styf en meer “judgemental” in Stb as in die Paarl….maar ja, Paarl het maar self so paar “lug in die neus” mense wie se poepe blykbaar nie stink nie!..
@BoishaaiPa: @MikeSt: Ek gaan nie stry met jul opinie oor Stellies nie, dis hoekom ek nie daar bly nie. Maar, Paarl is ook nou darem nie ‘n rustige, kaalvoet, handgroet dorpie nie, miskien net in vergelyking met Stellies
@BoishaaiPa: Kan nie anders as om met jou saam te stem nie. Baie dae / weke in die Paarl spandeer as kind en alles nog steeds dieselfde daar.
Stellies raak nou die Sandton van die Kaap
Ja ou Mike…Paarl is die rustige plattelandse dorpie en daar groet die manne nog met die hand en lig die hoede vir die vroue en die kinders speel nog kaalvoet langs die veld..Stellenbosch is mos nou die plek van Mev Professor en Mev Doktor en hulle dra swaar aan al die chips op die skouers!…
@Die Ken: 8) 8)
@MikeSt: en jy’s ‘n uitsondering op die reel.
@Die Ken:
ons het n baie goeie verhouding met Kempton (mos een van my alma maters daai) 
@MikeSt: @BoishaaiPa: Mike, Mike Mike, Paarl en Stellies is soos Boksburg en Kempton, die Engelse se mos “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”.
@BoishaaiPa: @Die Ken: Staan julle paarl manne nou skielik saam met daai een
@BoishaaiPa: @MikeSt: Nee man @BoishaaiPa, ek het vergeet daarvan! Jy raak nou ‘n drol in my drinkwater.
@MikeSt: Daai jaar was PR darem nie op sy beste nie…het 9 verlore opgetel!..Hulle was nie eers onder die top 20 nie…een van hulle min swak jare tussen n klomp goeies!
@MikeSt: My langtermyngeheue het my verlaat, veral nadat ek die sielkundige berader besoek het
@Die Ken: Dink meeste van ons is wel bekend met die 2de een.
2013 le darem nog vars in my geheue…………. Kan jy dit onthou
@MikeSt: dronk gehardloop? of net drink bd rugby. Die 2e een is ek wel bekend mee!
@Die Ken: Ja nee Ken jy sal weet van dronk gehardloop word so n paar jaar terug as ek my nie verstout nie
@MikeSt: julle moet bly wees, minder spasie om jul dronk te hardloop
@Andre T: Jy krap nou 12 jaar se pyn oop.
@MikeSt: En so ook welkom terug aan die Bishops ondersteuners na paar jaar van stilte
@GreenBlooded: Jeremy is without doubt one of the best in KZN. Can coach any age and even coaches seniors – takes a special person to be able to do that.
@GreenBlooded: my boy reckons Jeremy is the best coach he’s ever played under (Sorry GB – you’re out :P ) – he really seems to have a great rapport with his players. Says he has that X-factor as a coach. Has also been with the Wildebeest and almost took them all the way last year.
@Rugger fan: @Pedantic:
Jeremy is the real deal. It’s only his loyalty to his teams that hold him back. He is a suberb coach who could go onto great things. Very happy that he is doing so well. He’s a super guy as well for those who know him.
On the Hillcrest match – first I’ve heard. A number of our club boys play in that team so sure to get the (one-sided
) low-down on this. But not good at all. It does happen from time to time and something each school has to deal with. I remember a famous punch-up between the GW and DHS 2nds at DHS one year. Each 2nd XV player (including reserves who didn’t even get game time in the match) got 6 on Monday morning after being read the riot act in assembly.
@Rugger fan: Geez, one wonders what kind of sanction takes place after that ?
@Pedantic: Great for MacClaren – I wonder how long he’ll stay there – especially with his GK and KZN Youth Duikers pedigree too?
I also heard Hillcrest High and Richards Bay made history for another reason – their game was abandoned by the ref due to foul play
@GreenBlooded: Did you hear about Kloof making history this weekend? They beat Porties 17-15! Mclaren is no pretender – doing good work there and I saw him giving input at the SP who are having an outstanding season also.
@Pedantic: Agreed, 2014 was a very special year with 3 SA Schools players in Joubert, Van Niekerk and Coetzee the captain, it’s the sort of year that only comes around once a generation. In terms of results it was spectacular vs outside KZN opposition but vs KZN opposition in was great. Similar to Kearsney in the Doop Era, hard to match…
@Grasshopper: Pity we are playing the game on Sat on that small B field.
@Grasshopper:
Just pulling your leg
@MikeSt: No silence at all, I blogged through KERF. I actually blogged during the EG defeat to Affies….
@RugbyDad: I don’t think we can expect the 2015 GW side to replicate the 2014 team that had – if I remember correctly – 12 CW players in it?
I thought GW looked excellent on the day and doubt any KZN team could come close to them in that kind of form – at least 15 points better than any other KZN opposition.
Welcome back to all the Glenwood supporters after a few weeks of silence ….
@Thumper: Not necessarily better.. just a bigger kid at that age and a much bigger kid now
@GreenBlooded: GW play many out of province matches where he can certainly play – I also have a feeling that under the circumstances most KZN schools will allow him to play. He will probably just miss the Westville game.
I saw him at the first KZN HP training and he was a lot bigger than he is now – being injured obviously affected his conditioning. Having said that, the rumour mill is a terrible thing and many bigger players are always in doubt, not always justifiably.
@Stripes: Mate, taking nothing away from House but they certainly don’t have the same sort of ‘workload’ as the gov schools, a nice and easy 10 to 12 game season like we had in the 90’s, plenty time to prepare/recover etc. I think it’s probably best for the boys that but gov schools are under pressure to attract the best so need to play the best and win….two very different scenarios. But yes, Glenwood will need to use their quick backs more cleverly vs bigger packs, so make it count when they do get the ball. I would love to see Bossr at fullback…..looks like a Kolbie type player…
@RugbyDad: Agreed, the Glenwood side is not the same quality as 2014, but there are many young players in the side and combined with a good Under16 group will be better in 2016. I think they lacking really good locks…..
@Pedantic:
There was also mention of him having packed on massive weight on the off season (and the obvious connotations of that). I must say I can’t say I noticed he had got much bigger. Bear in mind it was the first time I’ve seen him this year.
So is he resigned to not being able to play next year? I don’t imagine he has any option if he stays in KZN.
@Pedantic:@Pedantic: yours was a better 10 than mine
@RBugger: Palvie reminds me of a young Alberts with good hands…
@Thumper: That is excellent news, thanks for the update.
Yeah .. they were both 10’s at PADSA right ?
@GreenBlooded: @beet: I also had a long chat to Kevin and he is certainly concerned about the HMA – he has already been informed by his ex Westville “mentors” that he cannot play against KZN opposition. GW will have Palvie, Smit and van Rensburg back next year along with all the U17’s playing this season – could be a very good side.
He is looking forward to his rugby after school and discussed an option that I think will suit him well – holding thumbs he remains injury free and stays focused and disciplined.
@Pedantic: Gathered that, our boys played Pinetown & Districts together as lighties. Spoke to Kriels mom, good news, only out for2/3 weeks.
@Thumper: Very sad, I sincerely hope they can shorten the recovery time as he is one of the players I’ve been watching out for through the years and was expecting fireworks this season.
My son plays flank for KC 1st’s.
@Andre T: Om jou vraag dan te beantwoord, ek is oortuig hulle sal. Verlede jaar was net nie ‘n goeie jaar nie. Die twee jare voor dit het hulle vir Grey tuis en weg gewen.
Hulle het ook vir Grey verlede jaar in die 0’14, o’15 en o’16 gewen. Hulle het ook reeds vir Monument goeie pak slae toegedien hierdie jaar in die jonger ouderdomsgroepe, dus sal ek hulle nie sommer meer afskryf nie!
Volledige uitslae van Affies vs Westville hier beskikbaar:
http://www.wbhs.co.za/?p=4516
@Cappie: Dit was n blote vraag…….vanwaar die Affie Aggressie?
@Andre T: Ek weet van ander wat ook nog onlangs vir Affies so wou degrader het, en gou terug gekom het aarde toe. Droom voort my vriend!
Jeepers and why did the Pietermaritzburg College boykies get so scared of the big city staduim?
@beet: Nope……that was Andre T
@Rugger fan: Dan did miss most of the last year of school rugby, AC joint injury. Matt has a similar injury by the sound of it, but not as severe. Scans today I believe.
@Speartackle: No in 2014 you told us McMillan Muller was the standout player and that you would bank on amnesia 12 months down the line
@Grasshopper: Having watched the game at the stadium and not really a supporter of either side, my thoughts were as follows:
1) The College side were decidedly smaller
2) The College side were having a bad day – it happens!
3) The Glenwood side weren’t bad, but not great either. The last 2 years teams were significantly better.
4) An average Glenwood side looked good due to College making them look good. (perhaps it was the occasion).
5) I think both sides will go on to win quite a few games.
@GreenBlooded: What happens to Kevin next year? He will be u19, having joined his new school in Gr11. Strict compliance to the HMA means he can’t play KZN fixtures but in terms of spirit of the agreement would that be right?
Why did the number 10 from last year’s Glenwood u/14 or u/15 go to Westville?
And last year when I said that Palvie was the stand out forward in the Glenwood pack at Wildeklawer, I was told to go and watch Parliament TV
@Pedantic:
Had a chat to Kevin Smit on Saturday at KP. Poor oke is frustrated as hell. Sad to see him hobbling around with his leg in a splint when he should be giving it horns on the field.
A few things stood out for me in the Glenwood- College game.
The creative influence of Bossr and du Randt accounted two tries with the aid of favourable bounces.
Palvie’s gamebreaking ability.
Mukendi’s ability to beat defenders on the inside without getting nailed by the cover.
Glenwood had the same individual sparks at MHS but not the same platforms to work off because they couldn’t boss House up front. So still some food for thought on how they mimic this effort against bigger forward opponents.
College at lineout time. Glenwood has been susceptible here. College should have challenged every single lineout in an attempt to shake the Gwd confidence. Instead we saw a few non-contested lineouts = a gift, considering they effectively allowed a bigger pack of forwards to comfortably set the driving maul. Add that College missed touch on several occasions and that on a few of their own throws they missed the target resulting in turnovers or untidy ball.
College didn’t manufacture enough oppos to run at the Glenwood midfield. Without van Rensburg there, there is greater dependence on the loose forwards to make the tackles. If the backs could have been isolated as De Wet did in the first half, the chances of finding holes would have been far greater.
@Pedantic: Kriel has done his shoulder, looks like 4/6 weeks but not confirmed. What team does your son play in?
PRG rugbyuitslae teen Grey High
U19A wen 34-3
U19B wen 18-10
U19C wen 12-5
U19D wen 31-10
U19E wen 12-0
U19F wen 33-17
U19G wen 40-12
U19H wen 19-6
U16A verloor 17-27
U16B verloor 12-23
U16C wen 31-0
U16E vs Grey High 16D wen 31-10
U15A wen 16-0
U15B wen 45-12
U15C wen 50-0
U15E vs Grey High 15D wen 46-0
U14A wen 21-5
U14B wen 34-5
U14C wen 19-7
U14D wen 22-0
U14E wen 50-0
Ek wonder of Affies ooit weer n patroon sal kan uitwerk om vir Grey Bloem en Monnas te kan klop?
Eksamens sal seker n groot invloed he op dit
@Pedantic: Sorry – no news on that yet. Didn’t his one older brother (Dan) also miss CW trials due to injury?
@Rugger fan: Do you know the extent of Kriel’s injury? Would be a terrible shame if he didn’t have a shot at CW this year.
@ 4×4
Die huidige Standerd 6/Graad 8 Groep maak klaar 2019.
So die volgende groep (2016) Standerd 6’e of Graad 8’s sal in 2020 die ou manne (Matrieks) wees.
Ook dan dieselfde Jaar (2020) wat Affies sy Eeu Fees vieringe sal herdenk.
Interesant wat jy meld oor die afrigting.
Ek volg Affie sport (Rugby/Atletiek) al sedert die middle 90’s.
Was altyd een van die uitstaande aspekte van hoe Menere Kriek en Van der Walt hul patroon van rugby speel kon laat posvat by al daai spanne van toe.
Hul was rerig baie goed afgerig gewees, voor sowel as agter.
Spelers het vir mekaar gespeel en ek onthou nog hoe die “Affie-Guts”
by al die spanne teenwoordig was. Affies het altyd goed ge-finish!
Maar ek sien dit al hoe minder die laaste paar jaar.
Deels dink ek al die ander skole se afrigting het ook soveel verbeter, nie net gewone onderwyser wat die manne meer afrig nie maar het wel dan kususse voltooi al dierugby onderwysers.
My problem wat jy tereg opmerk is dat patrone wat deesdae in ons ou dorp se skole gespeel word is so stereo tipies.
Maar dan gaan kyk jy OORKANT by LOFTUS dan sien jy seker waar kom dit vandaan.
Betreurens waardig om die minste te se ne.
@Stripes: Hope so too – the College #9 is out after GW with a ankle injury n(probably for the rest of the season).
yes 4 tough games against Highveld opposition coming up (only 1 at home).
But they did well at Saints Easter tourney – so hopefully they’ll draw on their experience there.
Looking forward to all the remaining fixtures – including House. And not just the 1stXV- but across the board – always enjoy the passion of the larger schools for their team – no matter what the level.
@Rugger fan: Biased here? I think that is a little unfair, just calling it the way I see it. Anyway I think the next 3 weeks will be tough for College with 4 games coming off the back of a bruising Glenwood game and 3 of those games are away on the Highveld! After that I may have to change my opinion. I hope I do and that the House vs College game is a good contest as they always are.
Marco Palvie was fantastic on Saturday – my type of 8!
@Grasshopper: I totally agree about depth. After the recent round of fixture at College – it was only Westville that provided competition at lower levels. After the large wins in the A teams – Glenwood fell off very quickly (the U15 age group being the xception). Similarly DHS also fell off very quickly. Will be interesting to see the lower level score from DHS/GW fixtures – although I’ll go for a GW getting the lions share
@Grasshopper: Not saying they are a bad side just that a small College side made them look good and that I think they will always do well against small sides. Just for the record they also lost to Menlo Park who haven’t won any other games and lost to Westville. Anyway hope you are right because we need strong KZN sides for CW! They have a tough weekend coming up at Wildeklwaer and I am not sure they will be able to out muscle EG Jansen and Kynoch.
@Rugger fan: However, if Glenwood have injuries to those stars then they will battle. Seems the depth just isn’t there like it used to be. In the past the 2nd team were almost as strong as the 1sts. I think the 2nd’s have lost like 4 on the trot now, they hadn’t lost that many to local 2nd teams in 4 years prior. Depth is something I would be very concerned about down the line. Time to get the best coaches into the C & D teams and convince some of the surfers to play rugby…
@Grasshopper: Agreed Grassie
@Stripes: Not sure if the Glenwood side is just OK, they do have some stars in the side, Palvie, Klopper, Bossr, Du Randt and others. I think they just started badly, got knocked by the Kearsney loss and now regaining some form and confidence. I watched them at KERF and their moves were just not sticking. It seemed on Saturday some of the moves finally started to click. Holtshauzen in the centre has given them the go forward they needed. I think if Kearsney and Michaelhouse were played again the results might be different. However, those games are gone, can’t change those results now but they certainly can try and win the games going forward. I think this team can give many sides a scare and I think they will still end up with a 60% plus win ratio.
@Stripes: Biased here – but GW really did click on Saturday. I think a few losses this season – plus the Kings Park atmosphere really made them a lot more hungry.
College fought back well after the half- but the extra width and an in form back line really had them down. I reckon we’ll still see College pulling off a good number of wins for the rest of the season. No real stars – but they play have been playing well together. i do agree that GW have had a tougher draw so far this season – and had 2 losses against expected form in Kearsney & MHS – but I think we’ll still see College being competitive for the rest of the season.
@Babbelas: Beet nou net opgesit onder Tuls Reeks onderan die berig
@Pedantic: I have to agree with you, I have watched a few of the College games (Grey HS, St Albans and Schoonspruit) and was not impressed. Unfortunately for them they are a really small side and are always going to struggle against the bigger sides in the modern game. College sides will always have a lot of heart because of the heritage but that may not be enough especially if they have a couple of injuries. I thought they would struggle against Glenwood but was surprised by how easily Glenwood ran over them. I think they made an OK Glenwood side look good!
@MikeSt: Waar kan mens die bepalings sien?
@Rugbyman:
Lekker dag Ou Grote (soos Zanberg altyd gese het)
@Grasshopper: Quite a drop versus the first College fixtures where they put out 29 teams (10 Open; 7 u16; 6 U15 & 6 U14) and ended up with fixtures against 3 schools (DHS / Voortrekker PMB / Linpark) – and still ended with 2 (4 teams) fixtures between 2 College teams.
@MikeSt: Ja sure Mike… Maklike semis? Ek dink nie so nie… veral nie die 1ste span nie! Ons gaan ons hande vol hê met daai reuse van julle!
@Rugbyman: Sien dit nou eers op die bepalings welldone julle dis great. Goeie kans dat julle Nr 1 kan eindig in die Rugby as al julle spanne die semis deurtrek.
Dink julle o/16 en o/14 behoort die makliker games te he behalwe vir julle 1stes wat die maklikste game het van almal
@Gungets Tuft: Not sure what is going on at Under14 level to be honest. Does anyone else know? Glenwood usually has up to a G side, even heard of H & I sides in the past…
@Pedantic: I kind of agree, the College pack looked very small. It was like men vs boys. The College scrummie can’t be more than 60kg. Size isn’t everything but they were man handled by an average sized Glenwood pack……
@GarsieOuer: Ons kan seker maar so bietjie spog na die harde vakansie…? Garsies is die enigste skool met al 4 spanne in die semis… en dan is die 2des ook in die semis (al tel dit nie punte nie)
Well done Garsies!
In nabetragting van my vorige post wil ek net beaam dat die Affies seuns baie potensiaal het, ek dink dit moet net beter bestuur word.
Ek dink net die tyd het dalk aangebreek dat daar besin moet word oor die spelpatroon. As die Bulle kon afstand doen van hulle kick and chase spelpatroon, kan Affies met die baie ryk poel van talent, ‘n baie meer aanvallende spelpatroon speel as die huidige stampkar rugby.
@Rugger fan: I think the WV return match with College will be more of what we saw yesterday, once that WV pack hit their straps it’s going to be a long day for the Goldstones folk.
What a day for Mukendi to find his form, he’s been slowly improving through the season and yesterday showed why he earned that CW jersey last year, outstanding performance.
Palvie showed his class with a display that illustrated that he’s not just a human wrecking ball but a thinking player with skills too.
It was only a matter of time, this is a decent GW side and the stars aligned for them – a pity for the College faithful, heart just couldn’t match class yesterday.
@chopper: I’m told Kyle will be fine for the tour. He’s the kind of guy that can take advice from the doctors and judge just how hard to push to get back as quickly as sanely possible.
@Grasshopper: And only 3 U14 hockey sides, that’s unheard of. That’s 105 boys involved in primary winter sport, out of an intake of what used to be about 220 kids. How small are the classes going to be?
Or your surfing team is going to look like the sardine run
@Gungets Tuft: I saw Kriel go off- what is the extent of his injury? Does this mean that Bowman will now miss the cricket tour to Sri Lanka? Poor bugger!
@chopper: And just to be clear, I wasn’t referring to a lack of intensity from College, just more from Glenwood. Glenwood also had their fair share of luck from the oval ball, that second try was undefendable, it happens. I think Glenwood will look back and see a match where everything they tried just worked, you have those days, bank them.
@chopper: I don’t think there’s been a change at all, sometimes it’s just not your day. Indont believe in biorhythms, until times like this. Honestly, I think the change at #10 was probably not a good one, losing Kriel early didn’t help, but at that stage I would have moved De Wet to 13, brought Rattray off the bench at #10. I would definitely have started Rattray, simply because I don’t think you mess with a winning team. I have a load of respect for the coaching team, they must have their reasons.
Bowman is out for an extended period now, broken ankle, we will probably only see him back in 3rd term, so there’s a shuffle coming anyway. Crying shame, Kyle is a clever player, I believe he’s going to be missed, but someone will step up.
I think once again – true to form this season – this result has opened up the race to see who will emerge as the #1 KZN team of the year.
Some more juicy fixture left – WV/GW – MHS/MC – MHS/Hilton – WV return to College – a great season to be a local fan.
Glad to see Jeppe got back this weekend Chopper.
@chopper: Chopper – I reckon that is what many of us have been saying. With the game ending on the far side of the stadium – and the officials ushering the team towards a photo opportunity – and interviews for the TV cameras – before the team knew it I think the occasion was over – and they were asked to enter the tunnel and leave the field. My opinion any way.
The game ended right below the GW supporters.
There were waves of acknowledgement towards the College crowd – but I think the powers that be and the sheer size and distance of the supporters from the play both contributed.
Nothing to be concerned about in losing to a fired up team that has been under achieving by all accounts (look at the number of losses for a very good GW team on paper to date) – they were the better team on the day and College did not capitalise on the opportunities they got. But even then I reckon GW were 15 odd points better on the day. You can’t take away Bossr and Palvie in particular. 2 beast performances. In comparison to the main game – give me the GW / MC game any day – far better and more entertaining rugger by two passionate teams that entertained the crowd.
@Gungets Tuft: Thanks for the down the line results. At least College won the down the line rugby results which is pleasing indeed….an overall successful day it would seem! As far as hockey is concerned, Glenwood have never posed a down the line threat to College. I remember the day College put 22 goals past Glenwood in a first team hockey game…..and in 6 games on the day, scored 96 goals for with none against!
@Rugger fan: Any idea why the College team did not go across to their supporters up their in the nether reaches of the stadium for a ” thanks for supporting us” warcry? Certainly a tradition in itself.
@Gungets Tuft: Why on earth were ” College not up for it” and what would have been the reason for a “lack of intensity”……. Rugby vs Glenwood…..Growthpoint Kings Park…….National television…..what more could get the players ” up for the game?” I am gutted to be honest!
@Redblack White: Never known a College team not to be hungry or determined! Geez, what a complete let down for their supporters. What on earth has changed that has led to this?
Dink die Grant Komo afrigters leen hulle ore te veel uit aan die Bulle afrigters. Met al die oud springbokke wat ek gister daar gewaar het kan Affies van hulle as konsultante gebruik maak. Vader alleen weet hoekom dit nie gedoen word nie.
Ek neem aan Dok Edwards wil Affie Rugby as amateur sport behou, wat ek kan waardeer, maar gooi dan geld agter die onnies in en bekwaam hulle as baie goeie afrigters.
Buitebreek…wou maar net ‘n tjirp inkry.
@Gungets Tuft: the speech I was referring to was by Tingle. Wish I had recorded it. Raw emotion, passion Love for school and traditions. Even some unintentional humour.
@4×4: Nou waar kom die spelpatroon vandaan? Ek dink ons altwee weet!
@beet: Here is what I mean.
Most important when you compile an index is the purpose and preparation. With the purpose a choice is necessary – sound ranking or relative ranking.
Once you have decided on the purpose the preparation will follow – and this will include the decision rules – that need to be fair and consistent – and solid data. Note that the decision rules will follow from the choice on purpose. Very important is that the decision rules should be accepted as wide as possible for purposes of credibility and then wider use.
The methodology should be a logical outflow from the decision rules – and this includes the formula/equation.
So, one way of going about the decision rules is to determine the following:
a) The games that will qualify for compiling the index. Will it be full games only, or does it include preparation games with lots of substitutes, 20 minute games, etc.? If it is going to be fair and consistent, it should only be full games – as 20 minute games and 25 players getting a chance to play do not form part of the official rules of the game. Full games only should be decision rule 1 – and the results of the preparation games should not matter at all – not even published.
b) Second, compile the scoring rules to be fair. This may include the following:
I. Teams should not be penalised for not playing each other.
i. Top teams can’t play every team during a season and as such other teams that don’t have the privilege of playing them should not be penalised;
ii. Top teams that play weaker teams should not be penalised – as they must according to a pre-determined schedule play such weaker teams.
iii. Teams that participate in festivals don’t always know beforehand who their opponents are going to be.
II. The system of earning more points when better opposition is played is against the above background flawed.
i. A win is a win and the opposition does not matter. If you hit a six in cricket it stays a six no matter whether the ball travels 70m or 100m. Whether the (Mpumalanga) Pumas beat the weaker Griffons or stronger Blue Bulls in the Currie Cup, they only get 4 points.
III. Top teams that play against top teams all the time, but lose against them should not be worse off than weaker teams playing weaker opposition, but winning against them.
i. For instance, the Namibia Welwitchias may win all their Vodacom Cup games, but it will not make them a better team than for instance the Sharks even if the Sharks lose all their Super rugby games. The Sharks is in a higher league and should as a result thereof start the season off and end the season with a higher ranking.
ii. For this purpose at least the top 30 schools should be identified and they should mostly still be the top 30 schools at the end of the season – only the positions within will change.
iii. Why 30 teams and not 20 or 10? When fairness comes into play, it means as much biasedness as possible should be removed. More teams (30 opposed to 20) will eliminate most of the prejudice or subjective decision making. The moment you go down to 20 teams, a lot of prejudice appears as all the schools don’t play each other.
To quickly summarise the above, as teams should almost always receive the same full points for winning no matter the opposition, the difference between them will be the points scored when losing and the opposition they lost against. And this will be the differentiator between the top teams themselves and between the top teams and the next tier.
We can go on and on with the decision rules – and once we have them and once they are widely accepted, a scoring method that takes cognisance of them can be devised and implemented.
On the issue of the consultants – the point at hand is risk management. The reward is big, but you will have to accept the consequences. And interestingly, there is insurance against the consequences. Or you can cover yourself in the contract. What most people are looking for is whether any mistake was deliberate or could have prevented. And then they look at the process. So, if the process was found to be OK in an investigation, the chances of being sued is minimal. We see it everyday when economists make bad or wrong predictions – and they are not fired.
@4×4: Ek was nooit ‘n fan van ‘n crash ball nie. Dink dis ‘n Noordvaal ding … Vandaar BuiteBreek.
@Grasshopper:
Can’t imagine why Glenwood could only field 4 U14 teams. I am assuming this is the case as it was relayed to be by a senior staff member. It blows the entire “only 3 schools in KZN that can match each other down the line” argument out of the window. Also makes sense that College give Westville the double header instead of Glenwood if this is the case. The complete results sheet also seem to suggest that Glenwood are lacking depth in the lower age-group teams. Some big scores in favour of College in the C’s and D’s and lower open teams but cleaning up the A teams.
Buitebreek…as jy dalk ‘n binne breek vat sal jy vinniger begrip toon 8)
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@Grasshopper: Got the stats wrong, results just published. Coleg ewon 14, Glenwood 10 – they won 1sts, 4ths and 5ths.
1st 12 – 57
2nd 13 – 8
3rd 29 – 13
4th 5 – 7
5th 15 – 19
6th 26 – 7
7th 26 – 0
8th 19 – 0
9th 55 – 0
10th 43 – 0
U16A 17 – 50
U16B 0 – 3
U16C 43 – 0
U16D 57 – 5
U16E 46 – 5
U15A 10 – 65
U15B 0 – 62
U15C 7 – 20
U15D 17 – 29
U15E 27 – 10
U14A 7 – 39
U14B 22 – 10
U14C 17 – 7
U14D 58 – 5
Totals 571 421
Smaller intake – possibly – at least it will make the derby against DHS more matched with the number of teams, much less work for the admins to find matches for the lower teams. Although, looking at it, DHS did field an U14E team against College. Perhaps College can send our U14E team down to fill in for Glenwood that day, they’re looking for game time.
4×4: Dude, jy hakkel iets verskrikliks. :”myns insien van wat ek gesien”. Of het jy dit twee keer gesien?
Wow….stop the bus..the rankings Beet is publishing is not from me…It is his own prelim rankings…I have not published anything since after Easter. I will publish officially this week as most teams have now played enough games.
Saterdag het ek my aandag so bietjie verdeel tussen die Affies onder spanne, Menlo se 1stes en Affies se 1ste. Nadat ek Woltrui se opsomming van die wedstryde gelees het wil ek ook net my 50 cents byvoeg:
Affies onder 14:
Ek stem volkome saam met Woltrui dat daar ‘n paar baie became spelers is, en kan die span goed vertoon as hulle afgerig word. Dit wil vir my voorkom of die afrigting van die span genegeer word tot die kyk van video’s as primere bron van afrigting, want daar is verseker nie onderwysers of enige ander vorm van afrigting betrokke by die span nie.
Die balhantering is om te se total nie bestaande. Dit is ‘n basiese vaardigheid wat die span verseker nie onder beheer het nie. En die spelpatroon wat by hulle ingeburger word is om die minste te se….lagwekkend!!!
As jy Affies se onder 14 span wil wen en gemaklik klop, moet jy net die afbreekpunte domineer en jou span sal ‘n 20-30 punter teen hulle opsit. Die arme pak voorspelers word geleer om op die aanval slegs 2 spelers te “commit” tot die los, en die res staan in die agterlyn besig om “pockets” te vorm. Die resultaat is dat Wetville omtrent 15 omkeerballe gewen het, want hulle het net 4 spelers tot die los commit, waarvan 3 die Affie seuns van die bal gestoot het en die 4de die bal gewen het.
Wat egter meer lagwekkend was, is dat die afrigters van die span nie oor die vermoe beskik om te sien dat hulle spelpatroon nie werk nie, en het nog steeds daarmee volhard in die 2de helfde.
Tensy die span nie bitter vining afgerig gaan word nie, gaan die jaar 2020 weer ‘n besondere hond jaar wees vir Affies op die rugbyveld.
Affies onder 15 is myns insiens ‘n baie gebalanseerde span met baie vaardigehede en spoed in die agterlyn. Hierdie span het 5 spelers afgestaan aan ander skole te wete ‘n voorry, agsteman (Menlopark), senter (Michaelhouse), vleuel (John Vorster) en heelagter (Glenwood).
Geensins gelyk of die spelers ‘n leemte gelaat het in die span nie en myns insien van wat ek gesien het waarskynlik die beste onder 15 span in die land.
Ek het die onder 16 span se wedstryd verpas om staanplek te prober verseker by ‘n redelike goed bygewoonde wedstryd tussen Menlo en Diamantveld. As gevolg van die feit dat daar berig is dat Menlo tans 9 beserings het, sal dit onregverdig wees indien ek my mond moet uitspoel teenoor hulle baie benarde verloor van 37-3 teen Diamantveld. Sal eerder my opiniereserveer tot hulle voltallig is.
Wat ek wel verstaan van die Affies ouers is dat die onder 16 span huidig sukkel met 5 sleutel beserings te wete ‘n voorry, slot (wat albei die seisoen uit is), ‘n loskakel wat ook die generaal is in die agterlyn (tot Mei 2015), en ‘n v;euel (kon egter nie bevestig hoe lank hy op kantlyn sal wees nie).
Dan die 1ste span…ek dink die span het baie goed gespeel, maar moes hulle met die hope balbesit wat hulle gehad het werklik met ‘n groter telling gewen het, en het hulle nie na behore afgerond nie. Die skuld wat ek daarvoor gee is dieselfde as wat ek aan by die ander spanne ook gewaar het….’n vieslike siekte wat mens selfverheerliking noem. Dit blyk dat die seuns so ingestel is om SELF agter die doellyn te gaan kuier dat hulle vergeet dat dit ‘n span sport is. Male sonder tal is daar ‘n overlap bewerkstellig is wat omgemors is deur ‘n seun wat in die eerste en beste opponent wil inboender, hom uit die pad uit wil hardloop om oor die doellyn te kom, in plaas daarvan om die bal te laat ry en aan sy mede spanmaat ‘n drie te besorg. Afrigters, begin vir julle spelers leer dat die ou wat die drie maak meer aansien in die beweging by toeskouers geniet as die een wat dit afrond.
In opsomming: ‘n Duidelike vervelige en eentoonige spelpatroon word gewaar by al die Affies spanne van onder 14 tot die 1stes. Hier is die spelpatroon: kry die bal, commit so min as moontlik spelers tot die los (verkieslik 2), die ander voorspelers moet dan so vining as moontlik ‘n pocket vorm om dan (as hulle gelukkig is om die bal te wen) oor die naaste speller te boender.
Word daar ‘n strafskop afgestaan, skop vir die kantlyn en begin met ‘n rolmaal beweging.
Daar het julle ander afrigters die hele vervelige Affie afrigting resep, wat absoluut geen ruimte laat vir kreatiwiteit by die seuns nie, want alle kreatiwiteit word “uit” afgerig tot ‘n eentonige spelpatroon. Die afrigter van al die spanne kan die briljante raad van hulle die skoolseuns volg wat heeltyd as een man uitbasuin het….Mnr Jaco….ONS SOEK HARDLOOP RUGBY…wonder net of die geheel van die skool van Maandag in detensie sal wees oor hierdie openbare verklaring dat die seuns nie genee is met die spelpatroon nie.
Dink een van die hoogte punte van die dag vir die seuns en die Affie ouers was dat Johan Ackerman ‘n opwagting gemaak het en die 1ste span wedstryd gekyk het. Trou aan sy natuur het hy ook tyd na die wedstryd by Klub 600 spandeer om skouers te skuur met van die baie waarderende ouers. Was ook lekker om Chris Maree, Jacques Olivier en Theo van Rensburg daar te gewaar.
As daar Lig moet wees…..verander die spelpatroon dan sal daar heeltyd sonskyn ook wees!
@Gungets Tuft: probably a small but quality intake. Not sure, heard they taking in less to keep class numbers down….might be wrong. Stories of 40 in a class in some gov schools….eish!
@Rugger fan: Thanks, I’m sure the detailed results will be out sometime, Glenwood normally publish on Saturday evening. The summary I have is :
Opens – played 10, College won 8, Glenwood won 2 (1sts and 3rds)
U16 – played 5, College won 3, Glenwood won 2 (A and B)
U15 – played 5, College won 1 (E), Glenwood won 4
U14 – played 4, College won 3, Glenwood won 1 (A)
Overall, played 24, College won 15, Glenwood won 9 – Glenwood taking all the A games convincingly. U14, big surprise to see only 4 matches, I know a certain lanky mate (my water polo captain for 2 years just before the Rinderpest) was toweringly disappointed that his Mighty U14E didn’t get a run.
A selection of photos of the Glenwood vs College game https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.803068516441681.1073742525.117174961697710&type=1
My opinie rakende Affies rugby na ek die wedstryde Saterdag teen Westville bygewoon het.
-O/14. Hard werkende spannetjie met goeie pak en goeie individuele in die agterlyn. Die basiese vaardigehede van die span is egter skokkend laag(hopelik het die seuns net nie goed gespeel Saterdag nie). Talentvol en baie potensiaal. Vang en uitgee van balle kort baie aandag. Iemand het vroeer op die blog genoem dat ons skool spelers n tekort aan basiese vaardighede het. Vermoed die probleem is nog erger in Pretoria as in die res van die land. Binne agterlyn spelers plaas die bal dadelik onder die arm met die doel om oor die oponente te hardloop. In my opinie het Westville O/14 beter basiese vaardighede as die Affies seuns vertoon. Moontlik omrede hulle minder op grote staat maak om oponente uit te oorle.
-O15’s: Goeie span wat goed gebalanseerd is. No 10 wat sy agterlyn goed wegkry.
-O16’s: Die span het my baie beindruk. Die opponente het hul waarskynlik ingehaal tov grote en krag maar die seuns het goed aangepas en gebruik ander vasette om die oponente te omseil. Agterlyn wat Saterdag goeie vaardighede ten toon gestel het. Paar yster in die pak.
-Oop spanne: Een van die spelertjies wat my die meeste beindruk het was die loskakeltjie van die 4de span. Seun met baie goeie hande en baie goeie oordeel. 4 de span heelagter ook baie goed.
-1 ste span: Was baie teleurgesteld in Affies se vertoning. Met soveel oorheersing en dominansie voor moes hulle die wedstryd baie vroeer weg gebere het. Die telling was op n stadium in die 2de halfte 13-10 vir Affies en Ville kon die voortoe geneem het was dit nie vir n desperate duikslag van Affies se no 14 op n oponent nie. Eers laat in die tweede halfte kon Affies die wedstryd deurtrek. Affies het waarskynlik een van die beste pakke in die land. Die agterlyn was egter totaal en al onbeholpe. Die afrigters sal moelike besluite moet neem anders gaan dit n lang seisoen vir die Pretoria seuns wees. As n Span met 10 of 20 persent balbesit Affies kan druk wat gaan gebeur teen skole soos Paarl Gim en Grey Bloem?
@Gungets Tuft:
U16D 50 0dd to 7 College
U16 E 44 7 College
@GreenBlooded: RedBlackWhite: GrassHopper – yep I agree that while great for the boys to run out on KP – not the real occasion – the fans were miles from the field – not many spectators apart from the school faithful were there (more than 2 hours prior to the S15 fixture – so calling it a curtain raiser was a little far fetched. It did give us pletny of time to socialise and quaff a few brews between the games as fans (thanks Gungets and GreenBlooded)
GW were certainly awesome – and College really did not seem to recover from the first 30 minutes of sustained pressure on their line. Some amazing runs by the GW backline – bossr on song (ending with an awesome try in the corner) and Palvie remains unstoppable – would just have liked to see himself put his ears back and back himself for the line once or twice when he offlaoded the ball perhaps a trifle early IMHO.
After a day out on the outer fields with great rugby at all levels (sad to see GW could only field 4 teams in the U14 level ???? so a total of 24 great games – coupled with the hockey the previous night and in the morning (including College vs St Charles) – great tradition between the 2 schools – but also agree that this would have been more special at one of thetraditional schools games when were could have all been up close and personal.
ref was great – and the final war cry of College was the stuff of legends – as were the 2 teams who proudly faced each other for the final conversion after the hooter – GW on the 22 – and college standing man for man under the posts. Well done 2 great SA schools!
@Djou: Djou I hear what you say and this blog is all about sharing honest opinions. I respectfully disagree. I think the BHP has earned a measure of trust in through the outcomes it produces. it gives many people what they want with an acceptable degree of accuracy.
Can it be improved upon? Yes (we agree here). Has someone attempted to improve on it? Not that I know of.
Many years ago I worked with some American consultants who were brilliant problem identifiers but not one of them ever actually presented a solution. I later realised that’s how they kept their jobs, the minute they became part of an attempt to problem solve, they exposed themselves to the risk of being associated with a failure if it did not work out.
I will email you this year’s data that I have to date. But I ask that this time your onus be to come up with a better formula instead of just defining the problems with the existing one.
@star: There is a nuance to me including hockey, a select few here will know why I did that, I won’t bore you with the detail, but some contributors and many lurkers will get it. And the question was for “down the line” …. so that’s what ou Chopper got.
For the rest, without all the results, I covered it as best I could. What I do have are:
2nd 13-8 College
3rd 5-7 Glenwood
8th 19-0 College
9th 55-0 College
10th 43-0 College
U16A 50-17 Glenwood
u16B 0-3 Glenwood
U16C 17-0 College
U14A 0-38 Glenwood
U15A 10-60 Glenwood
My 2 cents on the College/GW game. It must be noted that I had earlier backed GW as I thought they were the more balanced team. College has some deficiencies in the tight five in terms of weight which is compounded by a relatively small back row. Front foot ball becomes elusive and when the tide turns it can spiral.
We also had great hockey results against Affies. It did not stop the run away train on the rugby front though 
I just hope the boys understand what it takes to operate at the next level and the progression continues.
I also want to mention Mr Palvie . Grassy has always gone on about his physicality. While that is certainly true and be bowled a few College boys over, I was very impressed with his overall game which included running great lines and some deft touches with soft hands. He also looked for space and even threw in a swerve. I hope he is well looked after as his contribution at CW is eagerly anticipated.
Finally I found it very strange that with a score 49 12 and with a few minutes left GW opted to go for poles. The commentators were equally dumbfounded. My only explanation is that there must have been some sort of record on the line. The kick gave a winning margin of 50 which must be a record over their 90 year old history.( Maybe Grassy can confirm) I have no problem with boys being aware of records and wanting to break them.
@ Gungets- nice one throwing in the hockey results to soften the blow.
@Rugbyman: kalm nou …. presies wat met julle gebeeir het moet ons 4 speel in 7 dae almal teen moeilike spanne so dit gaan dit nog moeliker maak
@beet: Compiling a good rankings system should not be that difficult once you have a lot of data and a reasonable view on the relative strength of the schools.
I have to disagree that the formula passed the test – sorry.
As I already mentioned in the past, the methodology is the most important and the result should be subjected to a number of statistical tests to determine whether the methodology is indeed above board, i.e. whether it measures what should be measured (e.g. does it measure a ranking, or relative strength or performance) and whether all the necessary components (variables are included) – if not, the method should be changed because it will give wrong impressions.
For instance we use correlations so much, but many times the correlations fail the tests of cointegration and causality and should therefore be discarded.
I offered assistance in the past that would have prevented for instance what happened to Affies last year. We are heading for the same problem this year – with low strength schools being ranked above schools much stronger than them. And the problem will occur indefinitely.
@MikeSt: Mike it’s very much like SARU. We always talk about administrators (and of late politicians) trying to run aspects of the sport that should be run by entrepreneurs etc. The ranking models are the same. We haven’t had a true mathematician come along and say here is the formula you should be using to gain the most accurate outcome.
Over a period of 6 season’s BHP’s formula has passed the test. Teams generally end up where they belong given the levels of subjectivity that are around. Can the BHP be made more accurate: Yes definitely! But Pollie is happy with his formula and no challengers to it have come up with anything better (yet).
It’s also important to note that his formula is transparent. I’m not sure any of the other websites attempt to explain how they arrive at rankings. One website virtually admits to using thumb suck.
@MikeSt: ag jy droom!!! Ons is by verre die underdogs!
Agree with RedBlackWhite and Hopper – whilst these games at the stadium must be a great experience for the players themselves, the sense of occasion for me is severely diminished when it isn’t at one of the schools. I for one would much rather have watched the battle on Dixon’s or Goldstone’s.
Also need to make mention of referee Wayne Muller (not Blake Beattie as the SuperSport cock-up had it) who I thought gave a great display on how to referee a schoolboy game. I think it was his first televised match and hopefully not his last.
@Djou: Personally I don’t take the rankings too seriously especially now that there are so many different versions but whether anyone likes it or not, rankings are very very popular. They are consistently amongst the pages with the hits read hits. Conclusion: SA SBR supporters love rankings!
@h2o: I think the Affies lock Ruben van Heerden is amongst the most underrated players in SA. He should be one of the names on everyone’s lips. Then again it’s an unusually good year for quality locks. Against EG Jansen he was brill especially on EG lineout ball. So I can well imagine that he had the number of the shorter Westville jumpers.
@beet: i agree on being punished but then be punished amongst the schools you play aganst not be punished by comparing with schools playing less competative leagues
@BOG: No Bog. The ranking works relative to the achievements of other schools and can never be viewed in isolation. Higher points awarded to Paul Roos and HJS for good wins against Grey PE and Outeniqua respectively. No fault of Grey’s. They won handsomely but against a school in the weaker Bloem league. One can’t ask for more because they have no control over what went down in Paarl or PE yesterday.
@Djou: an not even going to comment on the rankings as the system is flawed and does not allow for proper catergorization. A small school playing in a small league can end up being in the top 20.
actually a joke as we look at it now
@Rugbyman: yep dis weer ons en julle. Gaan tough wees vir ons het n harde wildeklawer wat voorle en dan proewe en dan teen julle alles in 7 dae. Moet julle die favourites maak want julle sal lekker honger en uitgerus wees.
@Pinotage: I agree with you regarding the rankings being too early to read too deeply into but they have to start at some and change during the season, otherwise website must just wait until the end of the season and produce a final ranking that won’t change.
With regards to Garsies, they are definitely a better team than the ranking currently gives them credit for but at the same time, they are yet to beat a highly ranked team and therefore the formula punishes them.
Opponent-score-event-BHP
Ermelo 45 17 Won Tuks-Reeks 3.50
Marais Viljoen 55 7 Won Tuks-Reeks 2.50
Kempton Park 27 30 Lost Tuks-Reeks 1.30
Golden Lions Inv 106 7 Won St John’s Rugby Festival 2.50
Nelspruit 16 28 Lost St John’s Rugby Festival –
HJS Paarl BH 9 32 Lost St John’s Rugby Festival –
Outeniqua 10 27 Lost Noord-Suid –
Paarl Gim 24 48 Lost Noord-Suid –
Pietersburg 46 17 Won Tuks-Reeks 3.00
@Pinotage: Don’t let the rankings get in the way of a good concept, i.e. SBR. Why we do rankings and even consider it when there is no uniform accepted formula is beyond my intellect. We know it is flawed – and last year was a very good example.
We know from maths that any good equation should contain a constant when estimating a variable from other variables.
In this instance, when estimating a ranking from wins and losses and from categorising teams, it is important that we get the categorisation right. But it is insufficient as we also need a constant as the estimate will be an average.
The constant is needed to prevent schools not playing top schools ending up higher than top schools only playing top schools but losing against these top schools. Last year Affies ended lower than teams they would have beaten comfortably. So, top schools should basically have a bigger constant than schools not playing top schools, but at the same time the margin should not be very large as we can’t penalise schools who are not scheduled to play top schools.
This will prevent e.g. Grey Kollege playing against top schools, but losing every match by a small margin, from being ranked below Putsonderwater who played and won every match against lower category schools.
So, if we don’t have the categorisation right and don’t do a proper regression to determine the constants, everything else will be subjective, no matter how many statistical formulas you plug in there.
@danie, Paul Roos have a very good side this year. They punished a good Grey side yesterday on the Philip Field. Bosch was kept out of the game playing at fullback and Vers hardly saw the ball. Without these two players contributing, Grey looked very ordinary and PR were impressive in all positions. Can’t remember when last a Grey High first team got smashed by 30 points at home…
Well done to Affies and thank you for hosting Westville. …. what a long drive…. my takings on the day and the games i watched on the main field…. Affies were 10-20 points better than ville in each match the rest of the points could be attributed to the altitude. 1st team match was closely contested once again until the last 1/4. It seems like the Affies team had watched the KERF videos on ville. They competed almost every line out ball with success. They had been dominating the the scrums but imho from the tighthead scrumming in the entire match and the man in the middle not penalising him once. This eliminated the large Vill scrum and chance to get good 1st phase ball. A well trained Affies side executing every move with 100% pace. I do think the score flatters them a bit. A true reflection would have been 26-10 or even 26-17 if I have to be a bit biased :-o. A eye opener and certainly not a disgrace for ville but this will be a lesson that you have to do everything at pace for the entire match with no risk and a lot of precision if you want to compete with the best.. once again well done Affies. This Westville side is growing with each match.
@Redblack White: I was there, not close enough to hear the speech, but my admiration for Tyson Dlungwana is immense. Take a bet now on his captaining the SA hockey side and going on to great things.
@Grasshopper: Adapting to the stadium might have been an issue, perhaps Glenwood had a chance of a few runs there during the week, I see John Allen handed the Glenwood jerseys out, maybe he organized something. No matter, the score is in the paper, time to move on.
History is nice, these boys want to write their own history now, so total wins and losses is just an anecdote.
An Old Boy who watched both the Grey match and yesterday said the two teams were unrecognisable, so we’ll rest on that.
@Redblack White: I haven’t watched the replay (my pvr ran out of space
), recording it at 10.30, but a very informed and experienced coach chatted to me this morning and had a few pointers. Apparently Robbie Kempson also had some things to say in the main commentary. You don’t go from being a good team (Grey High and Westville) to 60 point bad team in 2 weeks, but at this level the small things can count big. Glenwood were up for it, and the difference in score reflects the difference in intensity. I’ve spoken to quite a few of the boys in the side, they’re wounded and it’s not physical. They will be back, some injury enforced changes all over the place, time for new boys to step up.
@Redblack White: I agree, a derby at Dixons or Goldstones is far better. Maybe the Glenwood side adapted better to the empty stadium, who knows but we will take it. Only 60 odd more wins to gain parity in wins with the mighty College….haha, never going to happen in my lifetime!
@Gungets Tuft: By the way, not sure if you were in the stands yesterday – maybe your son was. If you missed it, please try and get an account from someone who heard the shouting captain’s passionate speech when the score was 42-12. UNBELIEVABLE stuff. For a moment there I wanted to go out and look for a kilt and paint my face blue – it was one of those RobRoy moments. But for real. I got the goosebumps then and even more so at the end with the singing………..
@Gungets Tuft: Having said that, I don’t believe the boys are as bad as the score suggests so they should bounce back. They were simply outplayed by a much more hungry and determined GW team on a day when they, by their own admission, were at their worst. Poor kicking options, lacklustre defence, slow recycling, limited possession, huge territorial disadvantages…. you name it – a simply dreadful day at the office.
Glenwood, on the other hand, looked like a team possessed – they were clearly trying to shake their poor run of form of late, and I had spoken to quite a few mates beforehand who have assured me that this GW team will still surprise many as soon as they are able to gel – well thanks guys, you picked our fixture to do just that. Huge up front, quick, slick and sublime execution of moves – these guys just seemed to have so much time and so many options – simply outstanding!
From a College perspective a forgettable match, but as you pointed out, across the spread of games we still featured in the regular teams, and hockey of course was outstanding – it is never easy to pull this off in Durban.
One last thing, and perhaps I am somewhat reeling from the unfavourable result ….but please, please can we skip this notion of having these games play out as “curtain raisers” to the S15 matches. For one, they are not curtain raisers (yesterdays game was a curtain raiser for a primary school match). Secondly, the schoolboys are miles removed from their team on the pitch and there is simply not that close schoolboy feel to the encounter. Lastly, lets not try and dress it as an opportunity for the players to get a feel for the big arena – they were in a venue designed for 40 000+ being watched by no more than 3000 if I counted correctly( may have missed a few movers
) I’d rather pay to watch at Dixon’s than at Kings Park again!!
Well done green machine – pity we can’t have a re-match on Goldstones this year, hope this reverts to a double header again next year.
@akw: die o/16s het gelykop gespeel… garsies gaan egter deur na die semifinaal toe omdat hulle meer drieë gedruk het… ek steur my nie veel aan die rankings nie, net interessant dat ons nie eers in die top 50 is nie… skool soos bv. wonderboom is in die top 30, en ek kan jou verseker ons sal hulle met 50 wen… so oom dink ek EG Jansen hoort baie hoër op… hulle het net n afdag teen affies gehad en amper vir grey gewen! Maar nou ja… ons het geen beheer oor die ranglys en moet maar net wen om op te skuif… gelukkig gee niemand ons n kans om die semis te wen nie, so daars eintlik nie druk op ons nie…
Stem, die Bishops wen is seker die “upset” van die naweek, maar….. Bishops doen dit so nou en dan, ons is nogal gereeld aan die ontvangskant van dit, die tendens is egter dat hulle dit net so “nou en dan” doen en dan uitsak vir die res van die seisoen en dan so aan die einde van die jaar weer n wen in een van die local derbies deurtrek. Dis miskien wat hulle so gevaarlik maak. Miskien is hierdie jaar anders, ons moet maar wag en sien, maar ek hou nie my asem op nie!
Die Boland SACS game sou altyd close wees in Nuweland se skaduwee, Boishaai het weer gedoen wat hulle so goed doen…wen, en niemand het regtig iets anders verwag nie!
En PRG het nog n goeie wen agter die rug, nie seker hoe sterk Grey PE hierdie jaar is nie, was dit net n average performance van Grey of is die PRG boytjies net te sterk en goed gewees? Die res van die games was maar soos ons dit verwag het.
@Rugbyman: Geluk met die wen gister, sien die u14 en u15’s het ook gewen. Wat van die u16’s?
PHS is ook nie op die lys nie, dis seker hoekom die wen nie genoeg punte getel het nie.
Nie ‘n great dag vir die res van die Pta skole nie, behalwe Affies se mooi wen.
@Pinotage: Ek sien die wedstryd teen FP, is na 28 minute gestop, toe GCB 52 gekry het. En die gevolg is dat hulle 2 posisies daal “op die ranglys”. Dit wil voorkom asof hulle daardie 52 moes bereik het binne 10 minute om hulle posisie te behou?
@Rugbyman: Die ranglyste is almal vroeg in die seisoen maar meestal niks meer as n ingeligte raaiskoot nie. Later in die seisoen raak dit beter. Hoe julle nie op die nuutste Top50 is nie, laat die kop draai. Dalk net n fout.
Dat die seisoen nog vele verrassings gaan oplewer, is seker. Gister se Bishops wen,, was onverwags. Ek dink daar gaan nog n paar sulke “upsets” wees, maar dis mos juis wat sport so wonderlik maak.
Sterkte met julle seisoen verder.
@Beet Hope you will post the squad sheets ,later in the week for the Wilderklawer festival. Many thanks in anticipation.
@chopper: In the event you might be interested in hockey, only the College 2nds lost (1-0), otherwise Played12, won 11, lost 1
Rugby, lost all the A games, matches 25, College won 14, lost 11. The klap at 1st team is there in lights. Rebuild time for College, couple of key long term injuries yesterday.
Will post full results if I get them before Grassy does.
Does anyone have the down the line results for the day between Glenwood and College please?
@Kempie Pa: dankie!
@MikeSt: Klink of ons teen julle speel in die semi’s?
@BoishaaiPa: Hel… ek sien ons haal nie eers jou top 50 nie…?
weet darem nie so mooi of ons so sleg is nie…
@coach15: Yet you still go on and predict?…
@coach15:
hard to disagree with that 20+ prediction
Bishops proved all the doubters wrong, predictions had them being beaten by 20 points, but schoolboy rugby to way to unpredictable to predict scores. Bishops dominated Gim in the first half, they ran them ragged moving the ball to the wings and Bishops centres outplayed the Gim centres. Smit out Played the Gim number 12 who is supposidly going to be craven week 12?? Second half Gim used their size the their advantage. Attacking the 10 channel and pops off 9. Overall it was a great day of rugby and certainly lays down a marker for the rest of the season. Sacs is up next for Bishops in the league and Bishops are playing at home i would like to get some predictions. Mine is Bishops by 20+
@Rugbyman:
Nellies wen 31 – 21 teen Kempies. Baie goeie eindpoging deur Nellies. Lyk of Kempies kwaai moeg geraak het op die einde.
SACS 26 – Boland Landbou 24. Well done on a fine win lads.
EG Jansen 35 Eldoraigne 15
Monnas 28 HTS Middelburg 5
Scores at Jeppe today against Northwood:
Jeppe scores first.
1st XV 29 – 22
2rd XV 22 – 12
U16 61 – 10
U15 58 – 3
U14 7 – 14
I might be wrong but I think Northwood won all the u14 games. That is quite displeasing, I think those nkys were ro relaxed.
@Kempie Pa: eindtelling 46 – 17 vir garsies… wats die score tussen kempies en nellies?
Garsies 15 – 10 Pieties
Pieties 10 – 7 Garsies 10 minute voor HT
Bali is a very happy man today. His Bishops (French) side showed up to beat a very good Gimmies team!
Ermelo 31 – 17 Florida
Well played Gimmies as well. To be down 3 -21 and to be leading 32 – 28 with 5 miniutes to go was a great effort
35 – 32 to Bishops: final try in 37th minute of 2nd half
Well played Bishops. Cornel Smit 5 goal kicks – 3 or 4 from the touchline converted.
35-32 FT for Bishops
@BuffelsCM: Klink na great game. Sien telling nou 28 – 15 halfpad deur tweede helfte.
Bishops 21 – Paarl Gim 8 HT
Marais viljoen wen 15 – 3 teen Vereeniging Gim (1st)
Selborne vs Grens Hoërskool played at Grens.
Selborne scores first:
1st: 49 – 20
U16A: 62 – 5
U15A: 69 – 0
U14A: 55 – 0
@Roger: Ok Old Transvaal then
@Hanswors: Geen somme nie
Die Ken: Hoe het jou somme gewerk om by Monnas uit te kom as die sterkste span in die Noorde?
Dat die Suidelike spanne goed lyk die jaar is gewis – daar moet egter nog baie water in die see loop die jaar!
@Die Ken: the Vaal River source is actually in the Drakensburg Mountains 30km North of Ermelo so strictly speaking Nelspruit is not Noord Vaal – but I will give you Middleberg in terms of your definition
@Die Ken: Het al vantevore dit gepost en ek stem saam met Andre T en Ken. Die skole in die Kaap is die krag die jaar
Ten minste 3 van die Top 5 voorspel ek gaan uit die Suide kom.
@Roger: then you are the only one that defines it like than. Noordvaal = north of the Vaal, i.e Old Transvaal
@jakes: since when are Nelspruit Noordvaal? By Noordvaal I mean Gauteng – Nellies and HTS Middelburg play under the Pumas.
BTW – I watched that game and the score was 35-33 – could have gone either way
@ Grasshopper , I saw the Glenwood u/14s last week at the BizSport Rugby Festival at Glenwood and the two props are very very big for u/14 in my opinion but at the same time very mobile as well which is a surprise giving their size :-o. But from what I saw their best player must be the flank (6 I think), short boy but well build and oh boy is he aggressive and passionate
@jakes: Jakes ek dink jy’s onredelik teenoor Andre T. Hy verwys spesifiek na die wedstryde tussen Noord en Suid. In jou stuk verwys jy meer na wedstryde tussen Noord spanne, of Noord en Sentraal.
As jy kyk na HJS en PRG vs Monnas, HJS vs Garsies, Menlo vs Outenikwa en Gim, en dieselfde vir Garsies, PRG en SACS vs AHS, Drosdty vs Kloof, Gim vs Pieties, PRG vs Jeppe, ens ens is Andre T korrek. Die sterkste span in Noordvaal vanjaar, Monnas, het teen 2 vd sterkes hieronder verloor.
En of party vd games nou close was of nie, ‘n verloor is ‘n verloor. Inteendeel, as jy jouself meet teenoor die menere, en glo ‘n amper verloor is goed genoeg, dan glo jy jouself nog nie dat jy goed genoeg is om te kompeteer nie. Hopelik is Wildeklawer ‘n bewys dat daar darem iets beter hierdie jaar in Noordvaal is, want sover was die Noordvaal spanne teleurstellend.
Vanoggend die laaitie vroeg gaan aflaai vir die lang bustrip PE toe. Gaan ‘n goeie sportnaweek wees, en die Paul Roosers is reg vir die manne vd vriendelike stad
@Ploegskaar: thanks!
@phat55: 11:30
Anyone know the time of the Gim vs Bishops game?????
@Andre T: Andre T die standaard van die Noord vaal skole is shocking volgens jou.??HuH
.Sjoe ek weet nie waar jy jou informasie gekry het nie. As jy kan onthou EGJ het met 2 punte teen Grey college verloor (nr 1 op die ranglys) en meer driee in die proses gedruk en eintlik die game oorheers volgens meeste bloggers. En Monnas en EGJ se game was net so close. En HTS Middelburg verloor met 2 punte teen Grey College ook. En wat van Nelspruit wat Jeppe geklop het wat volgens bloggers so fantasties is??So hoe werk jy daai enetjie uit?? 
Onthou Wildeklaweer gaan jy dalk jou woorde sluk>>
@Grasshopper: this is a decent side but not an unduly sensational …. They have already archived the Jeppe dream which is to beat Kes…. Lol … But they are a work in progress…. While I understand Glenwood have nearly 20 under 13 craven week players
@Roger: Jeppe will be the top dog in the Noordvaal this year according to your comment but they have already lost to Nelspruit>.Ja nee Boet
If sense prevails and Westville play a side that on paper are very good then it will be a contest. Away from home could be a big hurdle to overcome but let the forwards play with the ball for 55 minutes and then let the backs loose for 15 and then you could taste success. Good luck boys and fly the KZN flag high.
@Vleis: Yep, I heard the Glenwood Under14 front row is over 330kg!!!
@Grasshopper: Probably a combination of both. Then Jeppe u14A team is decent but not great, while Glenwood’s u14A team is very strong.
Die Affies – Westville derby is gekiedkundig in die sin dat dit nie net hulle eerste wedstryd ooit teen mekaar sal wees nie, maar dat 25 rugbyspanne teen mekaar sal meeding. Daar is ook 13 hokkiewedstryde wat gespeel gaan word, en die tennis en gholf maak ook deel uit van die dag se spele.
Daar word baie uitgesien na die nuwe vriendskappe wat geskep gaan word gedurende die naweek se verrigtinge.
@Playa: Junior Matjies by a country mile
still say Glenwood by plenty – pacy backline at Kings Park will run the farmers ragged
@Ringo: FYI – Glenwood Under14A 41 – Jeppe 5, your intake this year not as good as others OR is the Glenwood team that good…
@Ringo: Rugby at Jeppe has improved significantly in the past five years, but the current grade 11s are your star performers. Hopefully, you keep the team together without all the distractions.
As I typed my previous post I already started dreading my comments. I should not disclose the secret mines where we are unearthing our gems. But I will say this they are plenty of dual medium laerskole in the East and West rand that have great teachers that give kids good rugby basics.
@Playa: I have a funny feeling College might sneak it as Glenwood are low of confidence, but it’s derby game that brings the best out of both sides. Glenwood still need to win about 100 times to even catch up College on the win vs loss stakes…
@Roger: I believe so, Affies at home is always tough but Ville have a monster pack this year, in fact I think it’s heavier than Affies. I know this counts for nothing but is usually why KZN sides take a pakslae every year, just get mauled up front. If the Ville can stand their ground up front they could cause a shock….
@Roger: Like Glenwood (albeit to a slightly lesser extent), most of Westville’s 1st team are not souties.
…but I agree that they will be beaten by some 20 points on Sat.
@Vleis: Happiness who was a recipient of the Theo Jackson bursary at Jeppe left on the promise that we will be first choice for places in the bulls academy and I was told an agent was involved in moving him. Spoke to a couple of boys from Garsfontein at the Saint John’s fest and they said he was third team player. What I remember from him was that he was a bit of bruiser who used to just run over people in under 14 rugby. I think he never developed other skills. Now at open level there are very few opportunities to ran over people. It was actually said when he left. But it has shown that Tyrone number 10 and Wandile number 13 were better players…… There is also a speedstar Mpho Tladi who decided to quit rugby to pursue athletics. But an interesting fact about this strong u17 group we have is that a large contigent of them are products of Hurlyvale Primary school and the strength of that school has resulted in the improvement of the rugby at Jeppe
@Roger: I think College are due a win against Glenwood, and on ‘neutral’ territory, maybe this is it.
Queens over Dale????….my heart says HELL NO! Let’s leave it at that.
What do you think of the Pajama boys vs the Junior Maties?
@Tang: I may be mistaken but I think this is the first time ‘Ville have ventured beyond the boerewors curtain – those souties from the leafy suburbs are in for a rude awakening !
good luck to both teams though
Good luck to the Grey Pe side, looks like the Philip will be soaked.Should be an exciting game, always good to host the Stellies boys.
@Ringo – Nice to see a Jeppe blogger on the site. Good luck for the fixture against Northwood.
@Roger – I am with you all the way except on the Westville vs Affies fixture. I think Westville may just be able to get a win over Affies this year.
@Ringo: Jeppe by plenty over Northwood, KES to shade Boys High, Affies to hammer ‘Ville, Glenwood by plenty, Bosch to beat Wynberg and Queens over Dale!
@ Vleis , maybe because he was not happy anymore who knows ….
its hard to believe that a cravenweek player plays 3rd team the yr after but oh well al the best to him, I am sure he will be in the mix for cravenweek this yr even if he is still playing 3rds … 
@Ringo: Why did Happiness leave? It’s surprising that he is in the 3rd team given that he was in the Bulls GK team last year – perhaps Rugbyman can help?
@Ringo: Interesting view. I’ve only seen him play f/h once, but it was last year, so he was a little less flamboyant. He is definitely a flamboyant character though. Last year he was the first choice f/h and Rashard, who is even more flamboyant, played at fullback.
@Cappie: Baie dankie!
@beet: Yep, good to hear, but surprising because, as far as I am aware, three u17 boys in the SA u19 cricket team (that I know of) have been told to stop rugby: one from Menlo Park; one from Saints and one from St John’s. All three played in the A teams for their schools at age group level and the latter boy (in particular) would’ve been the star player for the 1st team this year.
The SA cricket authorities asked them to stop rugby this year as the u19CWC is early next year and they have invested too much in said players, including sending private coaching a few times a week to the boys schools, etc. So…given that de Zorzi (an u18 player) is captain, I find it strange that he is allowed to play rugby? Perhaps I don’t have all the facts.
@Vleis: It is sad to hear that about the sa u19 cricket. Hope the powers that be appoint the right person in that position. That explains their results thus far. The Kes game is a simple but effective game, built on the back of great basic skills and pace out wide. I do not know how many times I have seen them score from a simple quick hands ball where there winger then simply flies down the touchline to score. De Zorzi is to flamboyant for that game plan.
@Vleis: Great to read that a cricketer at that level still plays rugby as well
@Ringo: I doubt that de Zorzi will play this weekend as he’s captaining the SA u19 cricket team in Bangladesh and their last game is next Thursday. They are losing the seven match series by three to one thus far…which would not have happened under Jet Jennings.
@Ringo: I knew that was coming…..hahah….officially Glenwood, Westville and College are English medium schools, but have many Afrikaans, Zulu and Xhosa speaking boys….
@Ringo: If a youngster at age 17 has commitment issues he has no chance of playing for the boks. In my experience one of the differences between good and great is the drive to want to win every game for your team.
@Grasshopper: we can hardly call Glenwood English… I kid …. But have to admit that will be a tough game for Westville
@Grasshopper: Not everyone is writing GW off. I actually think they have a more balanced side than College who battled in the set phases against Westville. Kings Park will offer more width than normal and whoever maximises will be the king of the castle. Both teams have a lot at stake. I am not sure when last College beat GW and when GW lost 4 games this early in the season.
@Ringo: Affies lost to Glenwood at home last year, but they had a very poor year by their standards. I love everyone writing Glenwood off vs College…..
A couple of predictions for the weekend:
Jeppe by 40 over Northwood ( revenge for the humiliation in Durban last year)
Boys High to surprise Kes ( as the Reds are gonna make the mistake of going with De Zorzi at 10 who I think they should play him at 13 or 15 )
Affies by 15 over Westville ( affies just do not lose to English medium schools at home and they will be seething after tge SACS game)
@ Vleis it a true tragedy for us. But like I said its the rumour mill. Hope there is no truth in my comments about him leaving. There is cautionary tale about leaving for him though. Because the Happiness Peterson who was the star fullback of their group who left for Garsfontein after their u14 season. Is now languishing in the third team there and he would have been ordained a rugby lord at Jeppe.
@Ringo: Sad to hear that. Sounds like he’s forgetting who helped get him into his current position. My son has played against him three times (u14/u15/u16) and he has got 14 out of 16 kicks over, including about seven from the touchline and two inside his own half. It’s tough enough playing that Jeppe team, but even more demoralising when every difficult kick goes over too.
@Wyvern: Hiermee die volledige program vir die dag se rugby
https://www.facebook.com/Affies.Klub600
But in terms of the game PRG played the conditions well. They knew what to do and also their kicking game was far superior to that of Jeppe and they deserved to win. However Jeppe has a very potent backline and in drier conditions might have been a treat to PRG. But shoulda coulda woulda does not change the result on the day. If the Jeppe number 13 who is the other ex factor player we have in the backline had played half as well as we all know he can ask the Kempton Park players, parents from saint stithians who could be heard screaming kick him stab him do something as he was dancing past their defenders and lot of the people who have seen him play have commented at what an exceptional player he is ….. oh what a different tale we would be telling. The rumour mill says he has been approached by several high profile schools Grey college, Kes and Monument were the names throw about and this might be causing him to think he is too good for the school. The boy just needs to gets his head right they will be no stopping Jeppe. He is a treasure and another kid like we have not seen at Jeppe .But I am of the opinion too many people have been telling him he is the real deal and that is affecting his head. He is part of the SA u18 sevens team and age 17 he apparently has been approached by several agents who are filling his head with all sorts of nonsense. During the Nelspruit game there was a point when Jeppe was 16 points down and he no longer wanted play. The boy is a real talent and with some coaching can be Springbok at age 21. But he needs to understand it will take more than his raw talent to get him there. Some perseverance and hardwork will do. He could have easily have slotted the 45 m penalty Jeppe got at the end of the game. But did not take the kick cause he just did not feel like it and that is a pity. Cause at the end of the day its the boy who keeps trying no matter the odds who eventually makes it. If the remarkable gems that are Jeppe have come to fluishen and we will dominate joburg schoolboy rugby even if its for a little while it will eradicate the memories of the drought we suffered from 03 -09 which culminated with a 67 – 10 defeat at Kes in 2009. So long may our dance in sunshine last… interesting footnote is that Jeppe has not lost to Kes in u14 since 2009 and sadly at least for us old boys all that matters to us is the Kes game.
@pietretief: Thank you
@Roger:
I dont always agree with that wet weather assumption, but hey that’s my opinion
@Ringo:
the one I was referring to was our no.15(Josh) being sent off for no apparent reason
The other YC was warranted I believe
Was more trying to get my point across that PRG were down to 14 men twice in the game
@phat55: we must have watched different games – I thought the scoreline was a fair representation of both teams abilities. They both had their opportunities and you would expect the Cape school to be more comfortable in wet weather than their Highveld counterparts.
Having been at the PRG versus Jeppe game. Can tell you the second yellow card was for a punch that your number 6 threw at the Jeppe number 10. The intention was foul play which warranted the card. Just for clarity the Jeppe 10 is no angle and he and the PRG were asking each other how they enjoyed the facilities at the beautiful Saint John’s. Your ten head butted the Jeppe ten who was not behaving like an angel. Then a group hug ensued. There was no need for the number 6 to throw the punch and that is why he got a yellow card.
@Wyvern: the Affie game start at 14h15
@BOG: Nee ek is nie sy pa nie maar ek sien n kind wat goed speel en hard werk sonder die bal en dis kinders wat nie altyd raak gesien word nie vir die harde werk wat hulle doen nie. Jy moet baie talent he om goed te speel en jy het nie eers baie die bal.
Maar almal dink ek praat van my kind as ek positiefe goed van kinders (Ek het nie eers kinders nie). Jy en @rugbymal moet by mekaar uit kom want lyk nie of mense kinders mag kridiet gee op die blog nie.
@Lions:
Thinus Grundling, ja hy is meer ‘n ou Wahl Bartman as jy my vra.
@Vleis:
massive advantage? more like a nice leveller for Jeppe
oh & my apologies, lets rather make it 20odd – 5
@phat55: Hmmm….
You say that the PR kicker was poor, but Jeppe had an unconverted try and PR had two converted tries. I’m also not sure how PR’s kicker conjured up a try for Jeppe (you say that Jeppe would’ve scored zero if he was better).
I haven’t seen any Jeppe supporters moaning about their poor lineouts, or the fact that it was pelting down with rain during the game, which was a massive advantage for PR.
If my auntie had balls, she would be my uncle. Fortunately, most PR supporters are more honest about the game, as is evidenced by your website, which said the following:
– after Jeppe: “Tough game in tough conditions. Well done to both teams”
– after Monnas: “Another tight game”…note the word “another” – I assume that they didn’t think the 94 to 0 win over Viadana was tight?
@Wyvern: die program is nog nie gefinaliseer nie. Dit sal seker môre op Affies se webblad verskyn, sodra dit bekend is presies hoeveel spanne Westville kan stuur.
Can anyone provide the kickoff time for the Affies vs Westville match?
@Roger:
I actually watched the PRG vs Jeppe game & that was not close.scoreline might appear close but the game was never that.score should’ve been 20-odd – NIL if the PRG kicker never had a bit of a shocker.you also forget there were 2 PRG yellow cards in that game, one of which nobody knows why
@Andre T: top ranked Noord Vaal team this year and next will be Jeppe. They lost two very close games at the St Johns Festival to Paul Roos and Nelspruit and I don’t see them losing again this season. Next year they will be even better!
Their fixtures versus Affies and Monnas will determine Gauteng top dog
@Lions: Is jy sy pa?@Andre T: Almal het nie die v00rdeel van n 0ndergr0ndbunker v0l rekenaars nie. Met WK, gaan jy en Spear 0m die beurt uitsaai? Die een in Engels end die ander, in Afikaans. Miskien kan jy n paar gaste 00k betrek vir hulle kundige 00rsig vd wedstryde- Festus, N0nnie, Duppie—. Terl00ps, wat het van daai susterskind van Spear gew0rd, wie Grey t0e is- die 2.5 mtr en 120 kg 0/16 “mannetjie”?
@Kempies pa: Ek is goed met gesigte maar nie name nie wat is die Kempies Flank se naam(dink nomer 6) wat gebou is soos Heinrich Brussow daai is die volgende Heinrich Brussow(Hou hom dop mense ). As die Nelspruit forward nie hulle rucks gaan clean gaan die seun baie balle wen. Vra maar net die Garsfontein manne.
@beet: agreed, but top 5 will be winelands 3, maybe GCB and AN Other (Affies or Monnas)
@BOG: Bog asb nou……..skryf ordentlik……jy maak my oe seer
@Andre T: Except f0r the pace 0f the Cherries/Peaches) 0f c0urse
@Andre T: Except f0r the pace 0f the Cherries/Peaches) 0f c0urse
After attending St John’s and Noord/Suid I’m not so sure .
Must say Paarl Gim has impressed me most of all the schools I’ve watched this year. Their pace of play is just something else.
@Andre T: I think EG, Monnas and Affies are still in with a good chance of being Top 10 but Grey and the W/Cape schools definitely gained an early edge as far as rankings go.
Die standaard van Noord rugby is shocking hierdie jaar. Verlede jaar se meanies………EG, Garsies, Monnas en Menlo sal sukkel om Top 20 te wees……….inteendeel dink ek nie 1 Noord skool verdien n Top 10 tot dusver.
@Vleis: It’s so hard to say. I’m sure I heard that Ayr are a good team but had to leave a few top players at home and had an influential player sit this one out. From what I saw they didn’t look like anything special. Not much flair and no x-factor players.
@beet: I see that Clifton won the game v Ayr despite rotating players. It looks like it was Ayr club’s u18 Academy team (rather than just a school team), so that’s a good result for Clifton isn’t it…or am I missing something?
@Vleis: @Gungets Tuft: It’s not really home advantage for Clifton yet. The game is at Clifton’s new home of rugby – Riverside (Varsity College) which is roughly 4km away from the school.
I watched Clifton play Ayr from Scotland on Monday night. It was a bit of a start stop affair with Clifton rotating players and not looking that interested in finding the higher gears with DHS coming up.
Having seen DHS play a few times already, my feeling is that DHS are clear favourites and Clifton will do well to keep the score respectable. Clifton might want to stay away from the scrums but at lineout time they are bound to be a handful on DHS ball. Key might be how quickly the Clifton cleaners arrive at the breakdown. It’s an area where DHS hasn’t offered much compromise this season.
@LAEVELDER:
Natuurlik. Julle was laas jaar gelukkig teen ons maar het daarna julle oorwinnings verdien.
@Vleis: Clift. Is better than previous, but this DHS team is much much better than previously and I can guarantee they are not overawed playing away from home. If the DHS pack get moving forward it going to be a proper test for Clifton. I know quite a few of the Clifton boys, probably 7 or 8 of the combined teams were at DPHS together, many of them from north of the river.
I’ll be at the Tank, but would have enjoyed watching that game
@Kempie Pa: Stem baie saam met jou oor daai een
My KZN Prediction will be
Glenwood vs College (Glenwood by a point
)
Clifton vs DHS (DHS to win it)
George Campbell vs St Charles (Close game Campbell to win)
Port Natal vs Kloof (Porties to win)
Jeppe vs Northwood (very close game Northwood to win)
Westville vs Affies (Affies to win)
@MikeSt@MikeSt:
Dieselfe vir julle. Daar steek meer in Oosrand rugby as wat onlangse vertonings wys.
@Kempie Pa: Sterkte daar vir julle vir Saterdag. Hou die Oosrand se naam hoog.
@Oakdale supporter: As Wildeklawer net o/18 was, sou Kynoch nie kon speel nie.
@Gungets Tuft: You could be right, but this Clifton team is a lot better than previous ‘versions’, plus they have home ground advantage. I’d have predicted a 30 point win for DHS if they were at home, but I think Clifton may make it a little tight on their home soil.
@Kempie Pa:
Ja elke man vir sy span!
@LAEVELDER:
My voor spelling as volg:
HTS met 3
Garsfontein met 20+
EG met 20+
Kempies met 12
Ek dink die spanne het baie gesluip en met meer as ‘n week se rus gaan hulle almal ‘n punt het om te bewys.
@Vleis: By observations from others DHS is going to win by a country mile. If their first choice players are back it will be a continental mile.
@Oakdale supporter:
Nee net Tuks soos ek verstaan
@LAEVELDER: Ek sien jou opmerking oor HTS se “ou manne”. Is Wildeklawer ook net vir o/18 ?
@ROOIBUL: Die QF word by Centurion en Pietersburg gehou
Was al so baie upsets sover in die seisoen… maar kom ons raai (of hoop) maar weer:
Monnas met 9 (HTS se 3 ou manne kan eers weer in Beeld speel)
Garsies met 10
EG met 12
Nellies met 4
Al wissel my margins tussen 4 en 12.. kan enige een van die spanne in die quarters verras (soos ons nou al te dikwels gesien het 2015). Dink nogsteeds Monnas is die span om te wen die jaar in Tuksreeks en Beeld al is hul ge-edge deur Paul Roos en Boishaai .. hul is reeds terug op die saal en gaan wild wees nou en met Wildeklawer en Beeld daarna.
@NW_Knight:
Glenwood v College (College to edge it)
Clifton v DHS (DHS by 10)
George Campbell v St Charles (St Charles by 20)
Jeppe v Northwood (Jeppe by 30+)
Affies v Westville (Affies by 20)
@Kempie Pa: By watter skole word die Tuks QF die naweek gespeel?
@MikeSt:
Soos jy weet kan mens nie te veel in die vakansie program lees nie. Waneer ouers duur betaal vir hulle kinders om te toer moet die kind ten minste een (normaalweg) of twee (die vakansie met meer wedstryde) speel.
My seun se dat die pak nou baie goed saam speel en dat die agterlyn al hoe beter speel. Daar is heelwat agterlyn spelers wat al verlede jaar vir die eerste span presteer het wat nou speel.
Ons het Garsfontein se ritme versteur deur baie balle op die grond te wen. Ek dink dit sal ‘n plesier wees om die Kempies span dop te hou vorentoe omdat hulle ‘n “complete” rugby speel met goeie interaksie tussen voorspekers en agterlyn. En natuurlik ook die tradisionele vegtersgees / karakter.
@Candies: I think KES will shade it at home – should be a close one though
@Kempie Pa: Hoe lyk daar dinge by my alma mater. Julle manne reg vir Saterdag?
@kosie:
Mag dalk verbale diarree wees….. 
@Kempie Pa: Worry nie oor die omrol nie eerder oor die omval
@MikeSt: Lyk my jy het moontlik ‘n baie ernstige siekte onderledig! Iemand wat daai rankings glo moet iewers fout he.
Dis nog vroeg in die seisoen ek weet, maar die werklike rugby kragte gaan die naweek hul opwagting maak en sal ons Saterdagaand weet wie blaf en wie poep om Ploegie aan te haal. Kan nie sien dat EG kan verloor nie
@MikeSt:
Dit gaan ‘n lekker dag se rugby wees, kan nie wag nie. Ek neem aan EG gaan nie net omrol nie?
Na aanleding van SA Schoolsport se rankings behoort daar nie upsets die naweek te wees in die Tuks reeks nie
Behoort maklike wenne te wees vir in die Top 8
Monnas
Eldoraigne
Garsfontein
Nelspruit
Ek dink die HTS Middelburg – Monnas wenner sal die gunsteling wees om die Tuks reeks te wen. Die twee het die Beeld reeks vanaf 0/14 tot 0/16 oorheers.
Ek voorspel dat Kempies vir Nelspruit gaan “edge” en EG en Garsfontein behoort redelik maklik te wen. HTS Middelburg en Eldoraigne kan die “surprise” van die dag lewer.
My KZN predictions for this weekend:
Sat.18Apr Glenwood vs Maritzburg College (College to win)
Sat.18Apr Clifton vs DHS (DHS to win)
Sat.18Apr George Campbell vs St Charles (Campbell to win)
Sat.18Apr Port Natal vs Kloof (Port Natal to win)
Sat.18Apr Jeppe Northwood (Northwood to edge it 8) )
Sat.18Apr Affies Westville (Westville to win)
I think I will go past the Phillip field this weekend and watch Grey PE vs Paul Roos.
@Roger: Should be interesting, any predictions?
@rugbyfan: I am so bleak I have to miss this one and yet I will be 120 km away from it.How nice it would be to wound the kudu in their own backyard, and spoil their dream start to the season…it’s been a while since we last spoiled a reunion party in Queenstown. This should be a great match
AMADODA!!!
KES Boys High this w/end – should be a cracker – C’mon the Reds!
Big game at the Rec in Queenstown this week between two teams that most did not give much hope to at the beginning of the season, but both now look like top 20 or 30 teams.