SA u20 (BabyBoks) trials group by school

POS NAME SCHOOL UNION
1 PR Matthys Basson Boland Landbou Blue Bulls
2 PR Njabula Gumede Maritzburg College Blue Bulls
3 PR Ox Nche Louis Botha Free State
4 PR Gunther Janse van Vuuren Monument Free State
5 PR Conraad van Vuuren Nelspruit Free State
6 PR Mogau Mabokela Ben Vorster Leopards
7 PR Ruan Kramer Grey College Sharks
8 PR Mzamo Majola Westville Sharks
9 PR Francois van der Merwe HJS Paarl BH WP
10 PR Frans van Wyk Monument WP
11 PR Michael Kumbirai St Alban’s WP
12 HK Alandre van Rooyen Nico Malan Blue Bulls
13 HK Frans Steyn Affies Free State
14 HK Joseph Dweba Louis Botha Free State
15 HK Reinach Venter Waterkloof Free State
16 HK Dan du Plessis HJS Paarl BH WP
17 HK Ruan Brits HJS Paarl BH WP
18 LK Jason Jenkins St Albans Blue Bulls
19 LK Le Roux Roets Garsfontein Golden Lions
20 LK Walt Steenkamp Rustenburg Leopards
21 LK Hyron Andrews Garsfontein Sharks
22 LK Eduard Zandberg Outeniqua WP
23 FL Menzi Nhlabathi Nelspruit Blue Bulls
24 FL Abongile Nonkontwana St Alban’s Blue Bulls
25 FL CJ Velleman Grey HS EP Kings
26 FL Tyler Paul St Andrews EP Kings
27 FL Ruan Ackermann Garsfontein Golden Lions
28 FL Jean-Luc du Preez Kearsney Sharks
29 FL Christo van der Merwe Paul Roos WP
30 FL Jacques Vermeulen Paarl Gim WP
31 FL Daniel Maree Oakdale WP
32 #8 Luigy van Jaarsveld Marlow Blue Bulls
33 #8 Jasper Wiese Upington Free State
34 #8 Daniel du Preez Kearsney Sharks
35 #8 Ayron Schramm Kearsney Sharks
36 #8 Jaco Coetzee Glenwood WP
37 SH Ivan van Zyl Affies Blue Bulls
38 SH George-Lee Erasmus Centurion BOL
39 SH Marco Janse van Vuuren Transvalia Golden Lions
40 SH Rowan Gouws HTS Middelburg Sharks
41 SH Justin Phillips Waterkloof WP
42 SH Remu Malan Outeniqua WP
43 FH Dewald Human Outeniqua Blue Bulls
44 FH Andre Swarts Grey College Free State
45 FH Innocent Radebe St Stithians Sharks
46 FH Brandon Thomson Ermelo WP
47 FH Ernst Stapelberg Framesby WP
48 CT Jurie Linde Affies Blue Bulls
49 CT Adrian Maebane Ben Vorster Blue Bulls
50 CT JT Jackson Oakdale Blue Bulls
51 CT Gerdus van der Walt Monument Golden Lions
52 CT Daniel du Plessis Paul Roos WP
53 CT Ryan Oosthuizen Paarl Gim WP
54 CT/WG Stephen Rautenbach Grey College Free State
55 CT/FB Warrick Gelant Outeniqua Blue Bulls
56 CT/FB Gerrie Labuschagne Die Anker Free State
57 WG Jixie Molapo Ben Vorster Blue Bulls
58 WG Lorenzo Gordon Oakdale Free State
59 WG Arno van Staden Pietersburg Free State
60 WG Leolin Zas Hermanus WP
61 WG/FB Grant Hermanus Paarl Gim WP
62 FB Malcolm Jaer Die Brandwag EP Kings
63 FB EW Viljoen Grey College WP
64 FB Khanyo Ngcukana Rondebosch WP

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89 Comments

  1. avatar
    #89 Ruggersake

    The question is simple is Bothma the future of SA rugby?

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    4 April, 2015 at 21:36
  2. avatar
    #88 RBugger

    Many selections made before trials began. Schramm is back to his best form, in fact, he has never played better than what I saw at the trials, but you have to bear in mind certain instances from last year. Anyway, Bothma is a solid player, but did not take part in trials, did not put a boot on the field? So yes, team very much pre-selected. Schramm is going to dominate and shine in the VC if he stays as motivated as he was at trials

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    4 April, 2015 at 21:27
  3. avatar
    #87 Ruggersake

    R bugger without sitting on the fence and having been at both trials what are your views on Bothmas inclusion and Schramms exclusion?

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    4 April, 2015 at 16:07
  4. avatar
    #86 valke

    @boxkick: Staying with the Cheetahs, he can make it. He is a very good player.

    I just believe, currently at u/20 level, there are so many more talented 10’s.

    Not sure about SA Schools, for the same reason. These flyhalves were the ones ahead of him at that stage as well.

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    31 March, 2015 at 09:02
  5. avatar
    #85 Nemo

    so I guess the debate about Hanro Liebenberg is over? By stepping Kieran Read, bashing McCaw and making 2 charge downs on an experienced Kiwi, I take it he got a nod from Dawie.

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    31 March, 2015 at 08:45
  6. avatar
    #84 boxkick

    @valke – I take it you think he would not make the grade then…I also believe that he was just short of making SA Schools in his matric year or am I mistaken?

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    27 March, 2015 at 21:24
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    #83 RBugger

    I have no connection to CJ and can say this without any bias, he is one of the best loosies (age group level) in this Country – he was EP U19.

    That is not to say he will make the side, the truth is, look at the loose forwards in that group, you could play any one of them in a Junior World Cup and lose nothing.

    The big challenge to CJ will be Jaco Coetzee IMO – jaco is also a great fetcher, but obvioulsy a year younger and less experienced than CJ.

    The trials are going to be intense – this U20 side will be the best side we have had in a long, long time – if not ever.

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    27 March, 2015 at 16:44
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    #82 Playa

    @Pedantic: I must disagree. But I’ll agree with you that HB did not adjust well to the changes in the laws.BUT…Brussouw was still over-looked before the laws were changed to stifle ‘some’ fetchers…remember the “The only fetchers I need are my sons to get my beer” comment from Jake White back in ’05? The ‘Pick Luke Watson’ campaign? Truth is laws or not, our coaches just haven’t been believers of fetchers.

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    27 March, 2015 at 16:34
  9. avatar
    #81 Ludz

    @Pedantic: I beg to differ, plenty fetchers thriving in other countries, arguably the best openside flanker in world rugby at the moment is the earlier mentioned Michael Hooper, he’s a proper fetcher and CJ very similar to him, both in terms of build and ability. Just our coaching that don’t know how to maximise on the potential of such mavericks, luckily CJ chose to remain with EP where he’s thriving and the coaching at the Academy seems to be able to work with his talent despite his dimensions

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    27 March, 2015 at 16:21
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    #80 Pedantic

    @Playa: We need to be realistic, the new laws do not benefit a genuine fetcher – the coaches didn’t destroy HB’s career, the laws did.

    ReplyReply
    27 March, 2015 at 15:58
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    #79 Playa

    @Ludz: Mmmhhh…you have just described a young Heinrich Brussouw…just hope our coaching structures don’t do to him what they have done to Brussouw

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    27 March, 2015 at 15:53
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    #78 Ludz

    I think high penalty count goes hand in hand with being a fetcher, Cyril-John technically as a fetcher has no equal in SA junior rugby, he’s as good as you’re going to find in this u20 set up. Let’s also not dismiss him on the account of his size as someone pointed out earlier, he’s short, but he’s a well built young lad and he’s as strong as any big loose forward. He’ll go to the JWC I am sure, he’s simply too good to ignore and don’t be surprised if he’s given the captaincy armband, because as a leader he’s 2nd to none.

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    27 March, 2015 at 14:57
  13. avatar
    #77 Die Ken

    @valke: dankie

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    27 March, 2015 at 10:06
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    #76 valke

    @Die Ken: Johan Esterhuyzen is steeds deel van die o/21 leeus groep.

    Hy is ook weer terug by UJ, nadat hy nie in die begin van die jaar daar was nie.

    Baie goeie speler, alhoewel ek dink ‘n paar scrummies het hom verby gegaan by die Leeus.

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    27 March, 2015 at 08:10
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    #75 Die Ken

    Wie weet wat het van daai Esterhuyzen laaitie, skrumskakel van Monnas, 2 jaar terug, geword? Daai mannetjie was ongelukkig om nie SA 0/18 squad in 2013 te haal nie.

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    27 March, 2015 at 06:51
  16. avatar
    #74 Die Ken

    @Muzi: Ja Ja

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    27 March, 2015 at 06:49
  17. avatar
    #73 Die Ken

    @Grasshopper: Yup, Marx in the same age group as Pollard, Jaco vd Walt etc….turning 21 this year

    ReplyReply
    27 March, 2015 at 06:47
  18. avatar
    #72 Grasshopper

    Malcolm Marx, too old?

    ReplyReply
    26 March, 2015 at 22:15
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    #71 BuffelsCM

    @Grasshopper: according to SA Rugby’s website Jaco is in the squad http://m.springboksupporter.co.za/News-article.html?id=2925424

    ReplyReply
    26 March, 2015 at 20:27
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    #70 Grasshopper

    I was told SA Schools Captain 2014 Jaco Coetzee is in the squad….

    ReplyReply
    26 March, 2015 at 18:11
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    #69 RBugger

    @Nemo: I noticed that too – could not see mention of Liebenberg..?

    I would be shocked if he was omitted from the training squad – unless Dawie views Liebenberg as a like for like with Dan Du Preez?

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    26 March, 2015 at 11:04
  22. avatar
    #68 Nemo

    @valke…….. and that is exactly why neither of Brussouw or Stegman is in a Springbok team.

    quite a line up of games and traveling planned for the squad (even Argentina tour). Does anyone know when will the Super rugby players be released to join the squad?

    even in the official SARU release i dont see Liebenbergs name – surely it is an admin error?

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    26 March, 2015 at 10:30
  23. avatar
    #67 valke

    @tzavosky: Partial loss of vision. Bulls believes he is no good because of this, and to the dustbin he goes, but FS still sees some potential in him.

    Says a lot for the respective provinces.

    ReplyReply
    26 March, 2015 at 09:57
  24. avatar
    #66 valke

    @Nemo: That is why he has a high penalty count.

    He is a good fetcher.

    Look at Brussouw, Stegman etc… I am sure you will find high penalty counts for all of them.

    Targets ? if no development is done, with the view of including developed players as a percentage of the team ( target ) then it will always remain kwotas, and good players will always leave the country because of it, and it will always come back and bite us a couple of years down the line.

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    26 March, 2015 at 09:53
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    #65 valke

    @boxkick: Lightning fast ?

    In what sense ?

    Very, very slow when running ( probably around 12 sec. over 100m ). Spends a lot of time with ball in hand when getting his backline going. In other words, very slow. Likes to take the ball up himself when in opposition 22.

    Please explain the lightning fast part.

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    26 March, 2015 at 09:39
  26. avatar
    #64 danie

    Well done to the Paul Roos boytjies, Christo van der Merwe en Daniel Du Plessis, well deserved to be in the group and all of the best for the trials.

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    25 March, 2015 at 20:10
  27. avatar
    #63 RBugger

    It is difficult for Rikus, actually anyone, to make the Province Vodacom Cup Side at 8 – Notshe is up there with the best 8’s in this country, in my opinion anyway.

    I have also been told Rikus has been moved to hooker? Not sure if this is correct…

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    25 March, 2015 at 12:30
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    #62 Freestate

    RG is a shoe-in, as he is a giant in the line-outs, and will most def be there. Same goes for Thomas du Toit, who doesn’t have his equal when it comes to the front row. Liebenberg (speaks for himself) and the duPreez twins also choose themselves.

    In the backline, Ivan van Zijl & Justin Phillips will have a good contest to see who gets the nod at scrumhalf. SA Schools flyhalf Brandon Thomson has been very impressive for Maties this year after having 3 serious injuries last year – he gets his line away well, and has a monsterous right boot, and his defence is rock solid. I expect Innocent Radebe to be his main contender.

    A fit Daniel du Plessis is a must at centre, with JT Jackson, and Warrick Gelant, Grant Hermanus, and EW Viljoen making up the rest of the backline. Pity Duhan is injured, as he too would’ve been a certainty.

    That’s it folks. :wink:

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    25 March, 2015 at 12:20
  29. avatar
    #61 tzavosky

    @Woltrui: From what I’ve heard Francois suffered an eye injury whilst playing last year, with subsequent partial loss of vision. His contract was not renewed and he moved to FS.

    I believe he is also studying for a BA degree.

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    25 March, 2015 at 11:55
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    #60 Muzi

    “Bothma is injured, but even if he was not, he will not make the grade against the current competition. He became overweight and sluggish after school and does not even make the grade for WP vodacom cup.”…shots fired… :lol: :mrgreen: :twisted: …..they still think Bothma is the real deal. :roll:

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    25 March, 2015 at 11:01
  31. avatar
    #59 Nemo

    Velleman might be a good fetcher, but he is a liability and can cost you a World Cup (like Bismarck). Have a look at his penalty and yellow card count…..

    Quality loose forwards in this group – will be a difficult choice. Do not under estimate the value of experience of players that have already played outside their age group. Players like Thomas du Toit, Hanro Liebenberg, RG and Daniel du Preez will most probably not attend trials but will be in the final squad. Bothma is injured, but even if he was not, he will not make the grade against the current competition. He became overweight and sluggish after school and does not even make the grade for WP vodacom cup.

    also keep in mind the TARGETS (no, not quotas) ;-)

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    25 March, 2015 at 10:47
  32. avatar
    #58 Cappie

    This is one of the most open and honest articles written by one of the best cricketers and keepers to come:

    http://www.thepundits.co.za/proteas-heartbreak-why-always-us/

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    25 March, 2015 at 10:15
  33. avatar
    #57 boxkick

    @ All – I am surprised DT left out Daniel Maartens from Bloem, what do you guys think of the omission of Ruan Potgieter, the lightning fast flyhalf from the cheetahs?

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    25 March, 2015 at 09:41
  34. avatar
    #56 Muzi

    @beet: Jan van der Merwe just needs to improve his condition and work rate he looks a bit FAT, he’s a massive lad haven’t seen a young hooker that big for sometime at the Bulls obviously he’s getting fast tracked…

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    25 March, 2015 at 09:31
  35. avatar
    #55 RBugger

    JT Jackson looks the real deal, great player.

    Vellaman is a brilliant rugby player and is not small, shortish yes, but certainly not small

    ReplyReply
    25 March, 2015 at 09:30
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    #54 Muzi

    @Die Ken: :mrgreen: :lol: :) take a chill pill Oom…

    ReplyReply
    25 March, 2015 at 09:26
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    #53 Muzi

    @Woltrui: I think that Dewald Human is a special player it’s a pity he’s a small though..he has been impressive for Pote Human and Tukkies..he has unreal vision…my only concern is his defense skosana from the Madibas team ran through him with ease….it’s too early to hype JT Jackson but I see a bit of Jacques Fourie in him…the lad is a menace in that 12/13 channel.

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    25 March, 2015 at 09:25
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    #52 Muzi

    @Woltrui: Lol….banter mate just banter mate :wink: talking about the Vodacom Cup side…it looks like Bulls are playing playing RG Snyman as an enforcer personally I would have gone with 4.Nicolaas Janse Van Rensburg 5.RG Snyman…Xander, Nollis and FL rate captain Marvin Orie highly…I wonder if the Bulls management want to develop another another “brodie retallick” maybe they want Snyman to become a 5/4 type of lock?!?!

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    25 March, 2015 at 09:19
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    #51 beet

    @Woltrui: Daniel Maartens is one of the players names I would have expected to see included in the 60 but still think people must not write off CJ Velleman at no.6. When talking size Velleman to me is an easier pick than Dewalt Human who has also been outstanding at u19 level.

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    25 March, 2015 at 06:50
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    #50 beet

    @Woltrui: I’ll get confirmation but that’s how he was listed – as a Vrystater.

    Last year it looked like he lost his place as hooker in the BB u19s to Jan van der Merwe and was used as a flank (maybe Sakkie vdW had more vision than given credit for when he did same at Craven Week).

    So perhaps Frans wants to specialise as a hooker and sees that opportunity at FS???

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    25 March, 2015 at 06:46
  41. avatar
    #49 Woltrui

    @beet: Hi Beet, is Francois Steyn now at the Free State? I knew he played for the Bulls u/19 team last year.

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    25 March, 2015 at 06:35
  42. avatar
    #48 Woltrui

    @Muzi: “FFS” Muzi what did you drink yesterday during the Proteas/NZ game… Upsetting the applecart on SBR blog :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    Can’t help but to agree with you on some of your points (Not the Proteas and Rikus Bothma though): RG Snyman a must in the Baby boks team. Liebenberg captain at 8.
    With Schickerling out for this season my team will look as follow:
    1. Thomas Du Toit
    2. Hooker from Lions (KES old boy). Sure he is still u/20? Else the big boy Vand Der Merwe from PBH
    3. Kramer
    4. Zandberg
    5. RG Snyman (Playing excellant rugby for the Bulls Vodacom Cup currently)
    6. Daniel Maartens (Eish-Classy player!)
    7. Dan Du Preez
    8. Liebenberg (C)
    9. Ivan Van Zijl (Great form with BB Vodacom cup team)
    10. Radebe
    11. Duhan V D Merwe
    12. Warrick Gelant
    13. Jackson
    14. Hermanus
    15. Dewald Human
    16 Francois Steyn
    17.Janse Van Vuuren
    18. Conrad V Vuuren
    19. J-LDu Preez
    20. Jaques Vermeulen
    21 Marco Janse Van Vuuren
    22 Daniel Du Plessis
    I’ll go with 5 forward replacements and with the versatility of Du Plessis, only two backline players on the bench, especially against the big Pommies.

    Ai, and I’ll have to find place for Jurie Linde at centre as well. Tough tough choices.

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    25 March, 2015 at 06:30
  43. avatar
    #47 Cappie

    @Muzi: I agree with Ken, especially wearing that honourable jersey. Sometimes we are giving our atmost, like the Proteas, and not getting the desired results. Sometimes we have the worst game in our lives, like the Bulls on Saturday, and get a favourable outcome. Such is sport, and isn’t it just marvelous.

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    24 March, 2015 at 21:15
  44. avatar
    #46 Ploegskaar

    @pietretief: Ek het hierdie naweek soortvan belange en verpligtinge by die Brackenfell Rugbydag, so gaan so bietjie o14, o15 en o16 rugby kyk en ook die Boland en Bellville spanne wat daar speel ondersteun

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    24 March, 2015 at 21:07
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    #45 beet

    @Muzi: I was also a little surprised not to see big hooker Jan van der Merwe involved.

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    24 March, 2015 at 20:52
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    #44 Die Ken

    @Muzi: there’s no place for such crude language on this blog.

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    24 March, 2015 at 20:01
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    #43 pietretief

    @Ploegskaar: gaan jy die naweek by PRG wees.

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    24 March, 2015 at 20:01
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    #42 Rugger fan

    @Ploegskaar: Ek is net dankbaar hy het die kans om weer n normale lewe te lei. Kon baie anders gewees het! Vuilspel het noe plek noe – as n Shark is ek bly Bissie sit nou uit!

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    24 March, 2015 at 19:10
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    #41 Ploegskaar

    @pietretief: Het gou vir ousus gevra om die regte storie by hom te kry, hy is uit vir die jaar maar sal reg wees volgende jaar. Jammerte, goeie seun en great rugbyspeler wat nou op ys is agv een vuil doos

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    24 March, 2015 at 19:06
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    #40 Rugger fan

    Is JD Schikerling recovered yet? I dont see his name on the list?

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    24 March, 2015 at 18:48
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    #39 Djou

    @Muzi: You have no idea what choking is. In terms of the definition it has a consistency element, i.e. you choke every game or every point under pressure. Under these circumstances run out attempts are missed by huge margins, not just. Catches are missed regularly, not once or twice, etc. So you cant win one (Sri Lanka) and lose one to be labelled as a choker – you need to lose every time to be labelled as chokers.

    Then, NZ also dropped catches and also missed a number of run outs that contributed to us reaching a huge total. So, was it because of pressure that they dropped the catches, or just a human mistake at the time? No, it was human mistake as they did not drop 10 catches and their run out attempts were also near misses.
    Third, had NZ lost, they would not have been labelled as chokers – just a sad loss.
    Question, did Australia or NZ choke when NZ beat them in the round robin? Nobody used the choke word then, though the pressure was immense.
    But when the Proteas lose under the same circumstances, the uninformed (read Muzi) label them as chokers.

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    24 March, 2015 at 18:22
  52. avatar
    #38 Redblack White

    @Muzi: All things depend on outcomes. Elliotts BMT would have been questioned had he been run out when he gave the chances. In other circumstances a run out like that would be considered choking.

    Don’t be so emotional. The Proteas are a good team and they did a good job, maybe not great, but still good. Had AB played the underdog card or downplayed our teams chances he would have been criticised for lacking confidence and not believing in his team.

    For now, we did not win the world cup – we are not the greatest in the world but for that matter, neither is our rugby side, or our currency, or our national crime stats, or our maths and science marks by comparison – shall I go on???

    Was it a good game – yes thanks – I enjoyed it – what more can we ask, since we are not capable of doing a better job.

    Seriously , just relax, its only a game and we will all live to see another day and more games.

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    24 March, 2015 at 16:16
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    #37 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: Why would it bother you what I think in the first place? Should matter as little to you, as your opinion does to me. And the only thing Brokeback ’round here is you with your little emotional outburst and ass fixation, pull your big girl panties on man, only an emotional girlfriend or player agent would react like that

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    24 March, 2015 at 15:43
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    #36 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar: “a bit emotional, girlie, and misdirected” :) you’re too funny mate too funny :roll: ….by the way I’m not your pal :wink: :roll: …but I will stand by what I said concerning Botham he is C.R.A.P real K.A.K….I have never rated him at ALL. :wink:…..Dawie Theron doesn’t like “small players” at number 8….enough said cheers brokeback mountain lad.

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    24 March, 2015 at 15:30
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    #35 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: Did I touch a nerve there old buddy old pal? You will have to remind me where I wrote him off, have made it clear that I don’t rate him though, and stand by that. With regards to Rickus, your rant seems a bit emotional, girlie, and misdirected, haven’t made mention of him in any post on this thread. But I do rate him, hy is nou ‘n regte yster

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    24 March, 2015 at 15:21
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    #34 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar:
    Botham is plain KAK!!!! let me put it to you I’m glad Bothma is not a Bulls player….Hanro, Schraam far better players…the truth hurts doesn’t it?!?! you wrote off Hanro now he’s sticking it up your sorry mountain goat A.S.S :twisted: . enough said.

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    24 March, 2015 at 15:10
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    #33 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: “one of the best loose forwards at loftus”…let’s just let that sit there for a while…

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:53
  58. avatar
    #32 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: He is playing SR, for the Bulls, which means farkall in my world and coincidentally as much as I really care about who DT selects for the BB’s and as captain. For your and his sake I hope he is not selected as captain though, otherwise he may also end up captaining TUKS…where I happen to see many of “Muzi’s stars from Yesteryear” faffing about, by the way…

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:48
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    #31 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar: Lol I don’t come here often but I clearly remember you were the same bloke that said Hanro is overrated..Hanro is already a super rugby player..oh hell he’s probably one of the best loose forwards at loftus..mate he was/he is better than that Bothma guy. :wink:

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:43
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    #30 Muzi

    @Redblack White:
    “Shame on me”?!?! that’s the problem with South Africans we’re “too nice” towards these players….the fact of the matter is the Proteas where NEVER good enough to win the world cup..that team was all hyped up..it didn’t help with AB making stupid comments like”we are the best team in this world cup”…go an watch the game again Elliot showed BMT…the proteas and Dale Steyn folded under pressure…that is why they will be labelled as CHOKERS and rightfully so… :roll:

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:38
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    #29 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar: Maul-rudder Liebenberg is playing super rugby….rikus “little” bothma part of the WP rehab squad is sitting at home probably playing playstation …go figure we will see who will be named as the baby boks captain…. :wink:

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:33
  62. avatar
    #28 Redblack White

    @Muzi: Shame on you man. These guys gave their all – perhaps lacked somewhat on the run-outs towards the end. You should watch the Varsity Cup more often and learn the words to Back your Boytjies – FFSSE – we don’t only support our boys when they are winning!!!

    Agree with BOG that we should not have messed with the team – Abbott should have stayed, but it is what it is.

    Any cricket match that has been interrupted by rain is imo no longer a fair contest, regardless of the famous Luckless Dufus system, The momentum swing coming from that interruption was obvious and the team who then gets to bat out their overs uninterrupted will always be at an advantage. I think SA did jolly well to take it as close as they did. We can always talk about the what ifs and if onlys, but that is history now.

    As for AB, I think he is a great captain, always positive and he leads from the front.

    Give credit where it is due, the New Zillanders were up to the task and deserved the victory, but well done Proteas , they did us proud

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:20
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    #27 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: Says he who rates Maul-rudder Liebenberg…wonder who needs to take who seriously…

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    24 March, 2015 at 14:16
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    #26 Muzi

    Grant Elliot…FFS he’s a saffa with balls of steal sadly I can’t say the same about those proteas players…useless bunch.

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:56
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    #25 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar:
    FFS too many mountain goats in that side, that team will choke in the semi finals…Hyron ahead of Jason Jenkins and RG Snyman?!?! :lol: :mrgreen: what are on earth are you smoking bud?!?!..can’t take you seriously…sorry bud.

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:54
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    #24 Muzi

    Rilee should have been a protea four years ago he has always been a class act..but then again you would wax lyrical about him because he’s a grey college boytjie….AB is not a captain…brilliant player but not a captain…

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:52
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    #23 pietretief

    @Ploegskaar: Ploegie het JD herstel van sy besering?

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:34
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    #22 BOG

    @Muzi: I think that Rilee justified his place, despite being used as a yo-yo. As a batsman and fielder. How can you drop Abbot, the best bowler this far and bring back Philander who has not played for 2 matches? And he, and SA paid the price. Proudly sponsored by Choka Cola.

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:32
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    #21 pietretief

    @Muzi: jy het seker nooit deel geneem in “groot” sport nie, jy is net besig om stront te praat.

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:32
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    #20 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi:
    1.Thomas du Toit
    2.Ruan Brits
    3.Coenraad van Vuuren
    4.Eduard Zandberg
    5.JD Schikerling
    6.CJ Velleman
    7.Jacques Vermeulen
    8.Daniel du Preez
    9.Remu Malan
    10.Innocent Radebe
    11.Warrick Gelant
    12.JT Jackson
    13.Daniel Du Plessis
    14.Grant Hermanus
    15.EW Viljoen

    16.Joseph Dweba
    17.Ox Nche
    18.Matthys Basson
    19.Hyron Andrews
    20.Jean-Luc du Preez
    21.Justin Phillips
    22.Dewald Human
    23.Jurie Linde

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:29
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    #19 Muzi

    @akw: AB’s back must be pretty much sore after carrying the proteas the whole tournament…that run-out was comedy…FFS why are people feeling sympathetic towards these guys…people need to get used to it…as long as we don’t win a cricket world cup we will ALWAYS be known as the classic “chokers” losers.. :evil:

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:12
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    #18 akw

    @Muzi: Except for that little run-out opportunity. :twisted:

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:05
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    #17 Muzi

    @Ploegskaar:
    Lol Oom Dawie is a closet Bulls supporter bud he will pick a lot of Bulls players :wink: ….Jacques Vermuelen and Daniel Du Plessis at centre…quality players the only mountain goats I’d want at the Bulls….

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:03
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    #16 Muzi

    FFS proteas you bloody chokers…the only player that can hold is head up high is the great AB De Villiers..pathetic talk about about a bunch of bottlers…. :roll: :evil:

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    24 March, 2015 at 13:01
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    #15 Muzi

    @BuffelsCM:
    That “tiny” Bothma will NOT even cope with CC rugby or Super Rugby….I will even go as far as to say we DON’T NEED EVEN HIM in the baby boks side…did you see Hanro against the Saracens?!?! captain material just like Arno Botha.

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    24 March, 2015 at 12:55
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    #14 Ploegskaar

    @Muzi: Jy moet absoluut vertril wees om enige game sonder Vermeulen en Velleman te begin. Jou span is vol brekers, gee my eerder ysters.

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    24 March, 2015 at 11:08
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    #13 QC86

    @beet: Hooper could learn a thing or 2 from CJ.

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    24 March, 2015 at 10:49
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    #12 BuffelsCM

    @Muzi: “Lol…interesting that overrated”little” WP loose forward Rikus Bothma isn’t on the list… Schraam and Hanro will develop into better players….this ain’t school level…”

    We know the Bulls have an obsession with size but really is that the best you can come up with ?
    The “little” Bothma was captain of the victorious WP under 19 side last year. I guess that counts for nothing ?
    BTW he has picked up a grade 2 ligament tear and will be about for a while.

    @BoishaaiPa: Absolutely agree with you. If Ruan Brits is fit he will be a serious contender at 2. The same applies to Daniel du Plessis at 2.

    @beet: It would have been nice to see the full list yes Beet

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    24 March, 2015 at 09:29
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    #11 beet

    Dan du Preez who is on the SR bench for the Sharks so he is there while RG Snyman is missing. Seems inconsistent.

    I wish they could list all players unavailable for some or other reason.

    Sad not to see Rikus there. He has had a few injury setbacks but has been a standard setter at this age group’s level. Hopefully he is judged on his game and not his dimensions. The same for CJ Velleman who is a Michael Hooper type player.

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    24 March, 2015 at 09:10
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    #10 BoishaaiPa

    @Muzi: I think you are forgetting a few players…Thomas du Toit is still available and will be first choice loosehead prop…Your No 1 struggled in a Varsity cup match last night…simply just not good enough for this level..Hookers might also be a surprize…let them go play trials..there is a reason for it!

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    24 March, 2015 at 08:44
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    #9 LAEVELDER

    Congrats Menzi & Conraad!! mis vir Daniel Maartens in hierdie groep! Hy was saam Menzi en Conraad deel van die witwarm 2013 Rhino span.. speel tans vir Shimlas van die bench af en druk omtrent elke game 1 of twee driee… Hou hom dop .. Springbok materiaal oor so 2/3 jaar!

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    24 March, 2015 at 08:27
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    #8 Muzi

    Sigh trials are sooooo overrated….
    1.Ox Nche
    2.Jan Van Der Merwe
    3.Ruan Kramer
    4.Jason Jenkins
    5.JD Schikerling
    6.Jean-Luc “Beckham” :lol: :mrgreen:
    7.Daniel “Beckham” :lol: :mrgreen:
    8.Hanro Liebenberg (c)
    9.Ivan Van Zyl (v/c)
    10.Ernst Stapelberg
    11.Duhan Van Der Merwe
    12.JT Jackson
    13.Daniel Du Plessis
    14.Jinxie Molapo…did he lose all that unnecessary weight?!? :-?
    15.Warrick “Boogie” Gelant

    16. Joseph Dweba 17.Matthys Basson 18.Frans Van Wyk
    19.RG Snyman 20.Jacques Vermuelen 21.Justin Phillips 22.Jurie Linde 23.EW Viljoen…. :wink: 8)

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    24 March, 2015 at 08:08
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    #7 CharlesZA

    Immelman from Cheetahs?

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    24 March, 2015 at 07:15
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    #6 Rugbyman

    Baie geluk aan die drie garsie-manne in die squad! Eks veral trots op Leroux Roets en Ruan Ackerman wat albei laasjaar in ons span was!!!! Hard werk manne!!!! Geniet dit en bly nederig…

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    24 March, 2015 at 06:22
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    #5 Muzi

    Lol…interesting that overrated”little” WP loose forward Rikus Bothma isn’t on the list… Schraam and Hanro will develop into better players….this ain’t school level…

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    24 March, 2015 at 05:38
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    #4 Muzi

    @Grey Brak: Marius Louw has been moved to centre by the guppies due to a lack of size at flank…he’s been superb for UKZN…

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    24 March, 2015 at 05:30
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    #3 Muzi

    Jan Van Der Merwe that hooker from the Bulls/Tukkies and PTA boys high should have been in this trial group..bags of potential….that JT Jackson lad from Oakdale will play CC rugby sooner rather than later he’s getting fast tracked by the Bulls….

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    24 March, 2015 at 05:28
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    #2 Muzi

    I think RG Snyman and Hanro Liebenberg will miss the camp due to Super Rugby commitments with the Bulls on tour?!?!That lock from WP JD Schikerling is still on the sidelines after that neck injury.. Duhan Van Der Merwe also had an operation early this year….three key players…

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    24 March, 2015 at 05:22
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    #1 Grey Brak

    Congratulations to all players making the trials and especially so to the 4 Grey Bloem boys. The opportunity to represent yourself country is surely a life long dream to many of these players.

    Pity that Marius Louw (flank) did not make the cut. Apparently he has been playing a few blinders for UKZN recently. Marius captained the Grey Bloem 1st team in 2013.

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    24 March, 2015 at 03:02