TIME/GR | DATE | SCHOOL | SCHOOL | EVENT | ||
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Tue 17 Mar | Jeppe | 24 | 12 | Kempton Park | ||
Wed 18 Mar | Brandwag | 66 | 3 | Solomon Mahlangu | ||
Thu 19 Mar | Pearson | X | X | Grey HS | Practice: Grey won 25-5 | |
Thu 19 Mar | Swartland | X | X | Paul Roos | Practice: PRG won 65-0 | |
Sat 21 Mar | Kearsney | 34 | 22 | Hilton | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Northwood | 7 | 29 | Westville | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Clifton | 36 | 21 | Port Shepstone | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Michaelhouse | 18 | 13 | Glenwood | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Maritzburg College | 15 | 10 | DHS | ||
Sat 21 Mar | George Campbell | 15 | 22 | Hillcrest | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Port Natal | 41 | 19 | Pinetown | ||
11h20 | Sat 21 Mar | Queen’s | 19 | 0 | Grens | Border R/D |
12h30 | Sat 21 Mar | Cambridge | 39 | 0 | Zweliyandila | Border R/D |
13h50 | Sat 21 Mar | Stirling | 17 | 10 | Maclear Academy | Border R/D |
15h00 | Sat 21 Mar | Dale | 41 | 0 | Port Rex | Border R/D |
16h10 | Sat 21 Mar | Selborne | 43 | 22 | Hudson Park | Border R/D |
Sat 21 Mar | Brandwag | 25 | 20 | St Andrew’s | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Muir | 29 | 34 | Kingswood | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Marlow | 28 | 0 | Nico Malan | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Daniel Pienaar | 9 | 50 | Oakdale | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Sutherland | 15 | 13 | St Alban’s | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Kynoch Noord-Kaap | 19 | 7 | Landboudal | Kynoch NK S/D | |
Sat 21 Mar | Louis Botha | 12 | 13 | AHS Kroonstad | Rooiskool S/D | |
Sat 21 Mar | Welkom Gim | 55 | 3 | Sasolburg | Rooiskool S/D | |
Sat 21 Mar | Grey College | 50 | 27 | Menlopark | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Fichardtpark | 5 | 22 | Voortrekker (Beth) | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Diamantveld | 24 | 0 | Duineveld | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Jim Fouche | 24 | 23 | Witteberg | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Parktown | 43 | 21 | St David’s | ||
Sat 21 Mar | St John’s | 15 | 19 | KES | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Waterkloof | X | X | Pretoria BH | Practice match | |
Sat 21 Mar | Linden | 12 | 10 | Standerton | Puk Vaal Reeks | |
Sat 21 Mar | Frikkie Meyer | 12 | 64 | Ben Vorster | Puk Vaal Reeks | |
Sat 21 Mar | Oos-Moot | 19 | 8 | Montana | Puk Vaal Reeks | |
A | Sat 21 Mar | Monument | 18 | 8 | EG Jansen | Tuks-Reeks |
A | Sat 21 Mar | Transvalia | 14 | 14 | Centurion | Tuks-Reeks |
B | Sat 21 Mar | Kempton Park | 30 | 27 | Garsfontein | Tuks-Reeks |
B | Sat 21 Mar | Ermelo | 8 | 5 | Marais Viljoen | Tuks-Reeks |
C | Sat 21 Mar | HTS Middelburg | 41 | 26 | Rustenburg | Tuks-Reeks |
C | Sat 21 Mar | Klerksdorp | 0 | 12 | Eldoraigne | Tuks-Reeks |
D | Sat 21 Mar | Nelspruit | 30 | 21 | Pietersburg | Tuks-Reeks |
D | Sat 21 Mar | Vereeniging Gim | 14 | 32 | Florida | Tuks-Reeks |
Sat 21 Mar | Helpmekaar | 0 | 24 | Affies | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Oosterlig | 13 | 33 | Die Anker | ||
Sat 21 Mar | Jeppe | 51 | 15 | St Stithians | ||
13h00 | Sat 21 Mar | Brackenfell | 17 | 0 | Namakwaland | Porterville S/W |
14h00 | Sat 21 Mar | Punt | 3 | 12 | Upington | Porterville S/W |
16h10 | Sat 21 Mar | Dirkie Uys | 29 | 15 | Langenhoven HS | Porterville S/W |
17h20 | Sat 21 Mar | Tygerberg | 52 | 3 | Piketberg | Porterville S/W |
18h30 | Sat 21 Mar | Porterville | 20 | 12 | Union | Porterville S/W |
19h40 | Sat 21 Mar | HJS Paarl BH | 39 | 3 | Framesby | Porterville S/W |
Sat 21 Mar | Hugenote | 27 | 0 | Oudtshoorn |
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@Dok F: Wat se jy en jou vriend nou Garsien wen Marais Vijoen 55-7 en Marais Viljoen wen Kempton Park. Sien ek het jou gese julle weet niks nie. Die beter span op die dag sal wen.
@Skoorsteen ek raak nie geweldig nie dit maak my net kwaad as mense nie iets goed kan se oor ander nie maak nie saak wie die skool is nie mar elke seun op daai veld prober alles te gee en oefen hard vir dit.
@Lions: Sjoe, maar jy is geweldig erenstig.
Dok F as jy dalk die game gekyk het teen Kempton en Garsfontein kan jy iets se want dit was n baie goeie game en enige span kon gegwen het op die dag. En as ek so moet kyk wat jy se lyk dit nie of die vriend van jou veel weet van rugby af nie, O ja en jy ook nie.
@Kempie Pa: ‘n Goeie vriend van my kom van Kempies af, hy is nou die eienaar van ‘n sagteware maatskappy in die VSA wat van krag tot krag gaan.
@Rugbyman:
Geluk aan die Garsie ouers se spotmanskap. Ek geniet julle opbouende komentaar die meeste en kan sien dat julle ‘n passie het vir jul skool se kinders.
Dit was Saterdag ‘n baie senutergende wedstryd maar ook baie lekker om te kyk. Ons is geseend om aan die wenkant te wees en geniet dit baie.
Sterkte met julle volgende wedstryde. Ek hoop om julle langs die veld te ontmoet volgende kwartaal by die Tuks se finale rondtes.
Kempies se sukses kom nou al ‘n hele paar jaar gebou op die toewyding van die afrigterkorps deur al die spanne en harde werk 12 maande van die jaar met ons kinders. Ons ouers is baie dankbaar aan al die tyd wat hulle met ons kinders deurbring. As julle ons kinders persoonlik ontmoet sal julle sien dat dit ook ‘n groot rol speel in ons kinders se karakters. Ons kinders het goeie waardes en respek vir ander mense. Enige persoon kan na die plaaslikke NG kerk gaan en sien hoe passivol die kinders in die gemeenskap betrokke is.
Ek kan verkeerd wees maar die meeste van ons seuns is plaaslik (geen koshuis) en speel al van graad 8 af vir Kempies. Daar is heelwat graad 11 spelers nou in die span en ek ken nie almal nie. Die kinders werk nou al 4 tot 5 jaar om so te speel soos hulle nou speel en hulle prestasie is gebaseer op dit.
@Thumper: MC did not look convincing – but the match was not a hugely memorable one. MC held up twice over the line – DHS held up once – MC lucky to miss a Yellow card – place kicking to be improved on both sides.
Hoping for better rugby as the season progresses.
@Dok F: Jy mors rerig my tyd en jou asem…. ek gaan nie eers reageer op die strooi wat jy skryf nie… ek dink dis al wel gedokumenteer op die blog wat garsies doen en nie doen nie… elke nou en dan kruip iemand soos jy uit n gat uit en probeer slim klink! Doen liewers moeite om jou eie skool se kinders te behou…. ek hoor terloops julle hoof kom vir ons kuier om kers op te steek…. vra sy terugvoer as hy klaar hier was, dan kan jy ten minste iets intelligents skryf en jouself nie aan hoorsê langs die veld uigee nie
Jammer manne, ek het nie bedoel om ‘n katgeveg te begin nie. Ek wil bloot seker maak my kinders se skool bly kompeterend.
Ek kan ‘n tyd onthou toe ons dieseldfe argument oor Curriebeker spanne gehad het.
Baie interresante ding is die ding om ouers finansieel by te staan as hulle nie die skoolgelde kan betaal nie. Die wet sê (daar is ‘n formule daarvoor) dat as ‘n ouer nie ‘n kind se skoolgelde by ‘n model C kan betaal nie kan hy by die Beheerliggaam aansoek doen om vrystelling van skoolgelde as hy kwalifiseer. Dit maak mos nie sin dat die ouers hulle kinders skuiwe dan vir slegs skoolgelde nie. Laat mens dink
@ Rugbyman Julle hoef nie te worry nie – die groot werwing gebeur mos by die onder 16 Paarl Gim toernooi. Julle agent is seker al daar.
‘n Vriend vertel my die naweek 3 dinge nadat hy die Garsies Kempton game bygewoon het
1 Garsies kon gewen het as hulle meer Kapies in die span gehad het
2 By Garsfontein bestaan daar glo kwotas. Daar moet ten alle tye op die veld ‘n derde van kinders van Pretoria, derde van Wes Kaap en derde van Suid Kaap wees
3 Verder moet Garsfontein glo die provinsiale kwotas vir die Bulle verskaf vir hulle onder 18 en 16 spanne. Geen ander talent in Provinsie nie
Ek het probeer maar teen drukltyd kon ek nie op die 3 stelling verifieer nie. Dus sy stellings en ek koppel my nie daaraan nie. Miskien kan Carte Blanche meer lig hierop werp
@Cappie: craven no9 is by affies en 5 of ses van vyftien tal ook daar
@star: Phew…just as well the game was close…the Ville may not have had a match against Hilton next year.
@Rugbyman: Klink vir my hulle het nie hulle werk gedoen laas jaar nie, want daar is nie een van die Blou Bulle o’13s Affies toe nie. hulle is of Menlo of Garsies toe hierdie jaar. Affies o’14s het nou reeds hulle eerste wedstryd verloor. Die manne sal nou maar reg afgerig moet word. Iets wat hulle goed kan doen. Hoop maar hulle word nie opgeraap sodra hulle begin presteer nie.
Dit is nog baie vroeg in die seisoen om te begin laerskool kinders werf. Dalk is die kind ‘n goeie atleet? Somtyds is ouers lief om skole se name te misbruik om hulself en hul seun te laat belangrik lyk.
O ja… hoe kon ek vergeet van Waterkloof
@Cappie: Ek weet wie die komitee is ja… Het egter geen idee van die visie, missie ensovoorts nie
@Rugbyman: Interessant! Ek wonders wie is Affies se werwingskomitee, en wat is hulle strategie, visie, missie en waardesisteem, maar jy sal seker weet?
@Rugbyman: ouer afrigting is gevaarlik, maar ek verwys meer na skole wat vashou om onderwysers te gebruik en geen of bittermin buite hulp gebruik. Dink nie enige skool kan meer bekostig om nie buite afrigters aan te stel of te gebruik nie.
@Rugbyman: Jy sal beslis beter weet as ek. Ek het dit probeer met jeug klubrugby. Drie dinge geleer:
1. ‘n Afrigter hou van ouers (en hulle kinders) wat hulle afstand hou,
2. Om met kinders te werk is HARDE werk!
3. Die pa’s is nie die probleem nie, dis die ma’s wat jou klaar maak.
@star: Yes, I agree Westville are punching above their own weight for sure, with only a handful of boarders. Another factor to consider though is the number of day boys living within 5km of the school, Westville will have a large amount. Westville also have 3 excellent rugby playing feeder schools in DPHS, Westville and Atholl Heights, also some coming from Highbury etc. Westville get their depth from being a suburb community school. Looking at Glenwood, many of it’s boys travel relatively far to Toti, Bluff, Queensburgh etc hence less involved in sport…..many, many factors to consider, but boarders play a huge role in successful sports. Gibson House, the Glenwood BE always wins inter-house sporting events and usually by miles too…
@Cappie: affies se manne is klaar besig met persoonlike gesprekke, en dis nie om die braaivleisvuur nie… so jy kan ontspan, julle werwers is aan die gang
@GarsieOuer: ouer-afrigters is gevaarlik in die lang termyn… ondervinding het my dit geleer… daar is ‘n skool in pretoria wat groot pak gekry het in die langtermyn met so iets… ek gaan nie name noem nie en ek sê nie dis in die geval ook waar nie… dis net ongesond in my opinie….
@pietretief: Jy’s reg hier. Afrigter is ‘n ouer. Kry hom en jy kry die span. Hint hint, nudge nudge.
@GarsieOuer: Goeie afgerigte span is baie meer werd as ‘n span met baie talent. Net jammer dat paar skole nog aan “tradisies” vas hou en nie ordentlike afrigters kry nie.
@Cappie: Ek ken nie eers sy naam nie Blykbaar het hy tot laas jaar b en c spanne gespeel, tot die afrigter hom raakgesien het en begin werk het met hom. Regte klein Danie Gerber. Vreemde span wat l/s Garsies het. Daar is bv. meer talent in die o/11A span, in my opinie, maar hulle is so goed afgerig, doen alles op spoed, dat hulle skoonvee voor hulle.
@Rugbyman: Ek aanvaar ook dit is so, dis waarom ek dink hy nie bekommerd hoef te wees nie. Elkeen, myself ingesluit, sal ‘n woordjie doen vir my skool om iemand te probeer oortuig om daarna toe te gaan. Dit is nie noodwendig aanbiedinge nie.
As ek by ‘n braai vir ‘n jongman sê om Affies toe te kom, beteken dit nie ek het hom ‘n aanbieding gemaak nie. Dieselfde met bemarking by skole. Dis promosie van wat jy het en om ander bewus te maak van jou skool.
‘n Aanbieding is ‘n finansiële kontrak op papier…
@Cappie: Ek dink Garsieouer verwys nie na bree trekke bemarking nie…. ek dink hy verwys meer na persoonlike gesprekke met die ouers….
@Grasshopper: It is not as simple as that. Hilton have 10x the boarders as Westville and yet won only one rugby game out of 20. Boarders however do have an impact and is one of the reasons that Westville is looking to expand on that front. If you refer to that list of top schools in “selected” major sports , it would be interesting to note the % of boarders per school. Westville at 5 % would indicate that it is punching well above its weight in that regard with significant room to improve
@GarsieOuer: Sonder twyfel, maar glo my Garsfontein slaap nie. Hulle sal hom sonder twyfel ‘n aanbieding maak. Is die mannetjie familie of vriende van julle?
@GarsieOuer: Dankie… ek glo ons manne was en is ook besig met hulle…
@Cappie: LOL
@Babbelas: Sonder om weer ou koeie uit die sloot uit te haal, dankie Babbelaas, maar dis miskien juis die rede hoekom hy onttrek het. Sy word is sy eer! En ek gaan nie hierdie argument debater nie, aangesien ons dit ‘n rekord gemaak het laas jaar, en nog steeds glo elkeen soos hy in die begin geglo het.
@Cappie: Dis duidelik ja.
Probeer maar vir Rugbyman waarsku om nie aan die slaap gevang te word met die een nie. Mens moet ten minste die goeie spelers uit jou eie voederskole kry. Koop bly vir my maar ‘n moeilike kwessie. Ek wat skoolgeld betaal, wie se kind in die o/16c span aankarring, help om die gekoopte speler daar te hou… Maar, jy kan ook nie deur die lewe gaan met ‘n 102-0 in jou geheue nie.
@Cappie: Julle moet dalk net daai deel van “Ons woord is ons eer” vir julle hoof ook voor lees. Hy het dit duidelik nie laas jaar eerbiedig toe hy Affies onttrek het teen Garsies nie!
@GarsieOuer: Al die Hoërskole gaan elke jaar by al die Laerskole om, om hulle skool te kom bemark. Garsfontein was verlede jaar twee keer by Menlo Laer vir bemarking. Dis nie altyd moontlik om almal wat in jou voederslaerskool is by die Hoërskool te laat aansluit nie. Grey College byvoorbeeld wys Grey Laer kinders weg aangesien hulle te veel aansoeke het.
Die beste vorm van bemarking is om op ‘n konstante basis ‘n voorbeeld te wees van uitnemendheid.
@akw: Ek glo waar die nood druk sal hulp aangebied kan word, deur te help vir finansiële aansoek. Dit bly ‘n staatskool, en afhangende van die ouers se inkomste is hulle geregtig op finansiële hulp.
@Cappie: Ek het nie vir details gevra nie, nie my besigheid nie, dit sou nie hoflik wees om daaroor uit te vra nie My kommentaar was dat hulle die span moet probeer saamhou, die hoërskool in, dis toe dat hy my vertel dat dit onwaarskynlik is, vir daardie rede.
Maar ek erken prontuit, dis hoorsê.
@Cappie: Dis interessant. En gans en al te nederig. En miskien nie heeltemal akkuraat nie.
Bedoel jy Affies bied geen finansieele hulp aan skoliere en hulle ouers wat hulle in Gr 7 nader nie?
@GarsieOuer: Ek is oortuig daarvan dat ‘n aanbieding van Affies niks anders sal wees as die versekering dat in die skool hy ‘n ereplek aan God en sy Woord sal kan gee en dat hy sal streef om die Christelike lewensbeginsels na te dra. Hy sal geleer word om dankbaar te wees vir die talente wat hy van God ontvang het en om dit aan te wend tot Sy eer. Hy sal leer om te streef daarna om hulpvaardig te wees en om te dien. Hy sal leer soos die ander dat ons gehoorsaam en eer ons ouers en onderwysers en gedra ons hoflik teenoor alle mense, veral teenoor dames en ons meerderes. Ons woord is ons eer. Hy sal leer dat ons glo in selfbeheersing, selfdissipline, nederigheid en lojaliteit. Ons dien ons skool getrou en handhaaf sy goeie naam met woord en daad. Ons hou onsself en ons omgewing rein en skoon. Ons staan vir ons Taal, ons Nasie en ons Land. Meer kan Affies nie aanbied nie.
@akw: Deal!
@Rugbyman: Nog iets Rugbybyman. Ek gesels Saterdag met ‘n ouer van een van die Laerskool Garsfontein 0/13 spelers wat baie goed is die jaar. Hulle het reeds aanbiedings van Affies, Menlo en Waterkloof gekry. Julle moet nie dat die ouens kom vrugte steel in julle eie agterwerf nie… Daai nommer 12 van hulle is ‘n yster.
@GarsieOuer: Jy is welkom om saam met my te ry na die wegwedstryde toe.
@Rugbyman: Dis tyd vir ‘n paar lekker tuis wedstryde, om die gees so bietjie aan te wakker. En sodat ek ‘n paar games kan sien
Met laas jaar se span het dit seker begin maklik lyk van die kantlyn af vir die opkomende spelers…
@Cappie: ask the EC locals.
@Rugger fan: @Rugger fan: All I know is Hillcrest scored 2 tries in 2 minutes to turn the game on its head.
@beet: Wat het van die wedstryd tussen Kwenxurha en Tsholomnqa gebeur?
Weet iemand dalk hoekom was Die wedstryd tussen Helpmekaar en Affies net sowat 50 minute lank? 25minute aan ‘n kant!
Dit is inderdaad nog baie vroeg in die seisoen .. en die Skole rugby Curry Beker word nie in Maart gewen nie … maar om op die eerste paar games te gaan (en ek weet party skole hier bo het nog net een, twee of drie games agter die blad).. lyk Monnas die span om te klop die jaar (in die Noorde) met Grey soos gewoonlik en dan voorspel die ouens daar onder groot dinge van Paul Roos, die 2 Paarl skole en die Bulle van Oakdale. EG Menlo en Garsies sal ook terug bounce en soos gewoonlik moet NHS, Kempies en Middelburg Tegnies nooit onderskat word nie! Sien uit na nog 5 great maande se rugby! En al word skole rugby groter en amper pro by die dag.. kom ons onthou om dit te geniet en mekaar nie te ernstig op te vat nie… almal hier het n passie vir rugby en sy skool!!
@Rugger fan: College 1st team were pathetic. What Smith and Lubbe are doing is a mystery. Rattray is not a flyhalf, Kriel is not a centre, Bowman too slow as a scrumhalf. Changes are needed or it,s going to be a long, hard season!!
On DHS – College -while the A sides of DHS were competitive – the depth fell away very quickly – I watched the U14 & U15 B teams. College dominated and DHS seemed very short on depth. The U14 in particular were a huge mis-match. Well played to their A teams however – were very good – coming out 2-2 across the age groups.
Anyone have any news on Hillcrest beating George Campbell?
@Kempie Pa: Geluk met ‘n baie goeie wen !
Ek het nie verwag dat julle so vroeg in die seisoen so goeie wen sou he nie. Gewoonlik kom Kempies eers bietjie later regtig aan die gang.
@Rugbyman: Jy is reg, Garsies sal beslis beter word, so ook Kempies.
Sien uit na interresante QF wedstryde.
@speler23: Ek dink vir die eerste keer vandat ek EG rugby volg, het hulle nie een wedstryd op die dag gewen nie.
Die o16 gelykop uitslag was die enigste wedstryd wat nie verloor is nie.
@jakes: Was self daar, en weet nie so mooi van ‘n EG wen nie. 2de helfde was beter, maar eerste helfde het beslis aan Monnas behoort.
Monnas moes hulle losskakel vroeg reeds vervang het na ‘n harde slag. Hulle het nie, en hy was duidelik nie homself vir die res van die wedstryd nie. Ook ‘n paar maklike strafskoppe gemis.
EG se 10 het ook vroeg ‘n harde knock gekry, en het ook baie wisselvallig vertoon. Disipline was ook ‘n probleem, en dit help nie die span as jou kaptein afgestuur word binne die eerste 10 minute van die wedstryd nie.
Uitstaan spelers vir my was 4 ; 5 ; 8 van Monnas, en 11 ; 13 ; 14 van EG.
@BOG:
The “Green Grass of Natal” a.k.a Durban Poison is supposed to chill you out – not fire you up. Or so I’m told…..
@Andre T: vol grappies
@Andre T: My wereld, waar in Bloemfontein woon jy? Jy sal een of ander tyd jou fout moet erken in die openbaar
@GreenBlooded: No, I believe we sign off on well disciplined individuals, but that obviously, something happens to them when they hit Durbs. Maybe something “floating” in the air?
@Andre T: look what the cat dragged in…
Ek hoor Monnas moes met 30 punte gewen het…
@BOG: @Pinotage:
Whilst we appreciate all the Grey College lads that you send to us here in KZN, I do request that you ask the powers that be at Grey to work on the discipline and dirty play aspects so that we don’t need to once again pull a rabbit out of the hat and beat the best team in the Super15 with only 13 men on the field. I know that Grey gentlemen do not need any rules – but considering the red mist at Kings Park yesterday – I think it’s time to start introducing some for the rugger chaps.
@LAEVELDER: goeie raaiskote
@Oakdale supporter: daai’s ‘n GROOT wen!
@beet: Ploegie seems to have some good background info – see our convo on Twitter. Maybe he can share more light?
@jakes: ek het Monnas se o/16s laasjaar as o/15s by Boishaai gesien en ek was geensins beindruk nie. Ek sou nie te veel in daai gelykopuitslag lees nie.
Rugbyman en Murrayfield…een verloor is nie die einde van die wêreld nie, inteendeel dink ek gaan dit die spelers net meer honger maak om te wen. seuns moet hulle koppe hoog jou en net so bietjie dieper grawe. Sterkte met die volgende wedstryde vertrou dit sal goed gaan.
@Murrayfield: ag nee wat… jys reg ons hoef niks te verduidelik nie… ek sê mos die verloor was dalk die regte medisyne… aan die einde 2 kanse gehad om te wen… net altyd interessant hoe die manne uit die gate kruip en klippe gooi na n verloor, maar geeb haan kraai na n wen nie… ons span is nog nie op volle sterkte nie weens beserings, so ons sal beter word…
Ek dink julle kan tevrede voel met julle dag by grey! Sien jou by noord/suid…
@star: I’ve said this numerous times, the numbers in a school means nothing. It’s the % of boarders playing. The more boarders the better the sport, simple. Michaelhouse has 550 boarders vs Glenwood’s 250, they should compete and actually dominate. Why is Grey Bloem so good, large number of boarders. Same with College.
@Anti Green: not sure what you on about, there was over 600 applications for grade 8 2016….
@Murrayfield: Ek is natuurlik bly Grey het gewen, maar die ommekeer in die 2e helfte het my verbaas. Menlo het ‘n topspan vanjaar en dit sou interessant gewees het indien die wedstryd einde Mei gespeel kon word.
Lyk of al Menlo se juniors (A-spanne) goeie rekenskap gegee het.
@kwartlyn: Is Stronkies nog hoof by Middelburg?
@Rugbyman: Garsies is op pad om ‘n uitstekende rugbyskool te word, so veloor is deel van karakterbou. Jy hoef aan niemand eers te verduidelik nie! die seisoen is nou eers oppad, sterkte! Daar is mos ‘n paar manne wat lekker kry as ‘n man/span /skool swaarkry!
Ek soek geen verskonings nie, ma Menlo het vir Grey baie besig gehou! Ons eerste helfte was uitstekend! Sagte driee afgestaan en die telling is nie die ware weergawe nie. Ons wedstrydfiksheid kort, siende dat dit ons eerste amptelike wedstryd was.
Die ander Menlo spanne se tellings teen Grey het 70% verbeter as in 2014. Wil ook net noem dat Menlo se O/14span het 7 – 8 verloor, waar Menlo duidelik ‘n paar swak beslissings gekry het!
@star: Hey can you only imagine the comments if House still had Post Matric. Let’s not say anything about the GW okes been kept back in the lower grades
@BosveldPa: Jy noem jouself ‘n pa.
Met al die kritiek wat jy uitdeel teen al wat ‘n span is – nogal op hoorsê – is ek bitter bly jy het my nie grootgemaak nie. Wanneer mens op hoorsê net kritiek kan uitdeel sonder om al die feite te kry ….
Net terloops, jou “ignorance” oor aankopies – en weer op gerugte te reageer en daarmee saam te stem net omdat dit is wat jy wil glo al is dit verkeerd – het in die sielkunde ‘n mooi benaming. Hulle noem dit die “confirmation error”. Ek is seker daar is ‘n paar sielkundiges in die Bosveld wat sal kan help met jou probleempie.
En laastens – Viva la Grey!!!!!!! En Garsies sal opstaan!
@Bosveldpa: sal komende saterdag sien tot wat Affies in staat is wanneer hulle Paul Roos speel in Stellenbosh, dink dit gaan massive wees!
@Grasshopper: Yes and a bigger in take. Your school only has an intake of 140 or 160 for 2016. Says something doesn’t it? I’m stupid,remember from your other blogging messages, but that means if GW don’t do something, your Lekker school in the future will only be half the size. Then maybe it can be like HOUSE. Dis Mooi, dis Lekker
What is a good sign is Glenwood didn’t lose a game from Under16A downwards, bodes well for the future. Now all Glenwood have to do is nuture these boys and do not bring in any outsiders from now onwards…
@Bosveldpa: ek hoop rerig ons kan jou teleurstel die seisoen… sal my groot vreugde verskaf… maar hey! As ons jou nie die seisoen kan teleurstel nie is daar altyd volgende jaar… enige sukses van garsfontein is mos vir jou ‘n reuse teleurstelling – jy gun oms dit nie… en enige terugslag wat ons tref geniet jy dat jou tone krul…
@Greenblooded @Tang. Understandably so, especially if they joined a school with a specific motivation and objective in mind to be ruled out by a foreigner with no passion for school and community. What’s left for the player with passion and an objective? To play for the passion of the game and that is it…
It will take a special group of boys to stand up and proof the rest wrong, but sometimes I wish that kind of passions starts to rule schoolboy rugby again. Where their biggest game of the year would be between the purchased 1st XV and the passionate 2nd XV.
Staan op manne en veg vir julle regte!
@GreenBlooded – Players moving down can go one of two ways. Seems the guys who moved down have lost motivation in this case.
Noudat ek al die bostelegraafnuus bymekaar gemaak het klink dit of daar ‘n interessante seisoen op hande is. “Kempies tem die beertjie” is natuurlik die beste nuusbrokkie. Wys jou net wat goeie afrigting kan doen. Het iemand al ‘n antwoord op die geheim van die seisoen, wie is die rugby-man wat rugby ken wie Kempies nou onderhande het?
Menlo moet net fiksword klink dit my dan kan hulle dalk iets beteken. Dalk moet hulle kers opsteek by beertjieland wat hulle kan help met motivering om die inkopiekas fiks te kry. Wil voorkom of die ingelegde spelers moeiliker fiks word. Dalk te doen met die feit dat hulle mos nou reeds daar is, hoef nie te hard te werk nie.
Affies het harde werk wat voorlê klink dit my. Die uitslag is nie te wat wonders nie en daars nie regtig iets om oor huistoe te skryf nie word daar vertel.
Wat gaan aan met hul o/16A spannetjie, klink my daar word diep gesukkel, voor en agter. BMT onderbreek? Diepte gelukkig daar met die res van die o/16 groep wat goed doen.
Mens hoop natuurlik die o/14 groepie word bymekaar gehou en skool en gemeenskap skuif hul nie opsy en gee hulle ‘n naam nie.
EG en die o/16A manne moet saam n draai by die gomshop maak. Klink my die bal wil nie klou nie.
Soos verwag gaan Monnas n span in veld stoot wie almal gaan rondstoot.
Natal se mooiste stories word in die Midlands vertel die naweek. Goeie een!
@Far Meadows:
Well done to House – that’s a massive result for them. I have an interest in the U14A team who apparently played like men possessed against a massive physical onslaught including a 315kg front row. They lost by 30 odd points but the reports suggest that they are going to be a force to be reckoned with in the U14 age group this year. I watch from afar with great interest.
@star: Nope, Wayne Lister-James played 1st team MHS lock in 1995, opened the bowling for them too. Yes, the Glenwood opens seem to be weak this year, probably most of the weaker Under16 group from 2014
@star:
Apparently only the 5ths and the 2nds won for GW in the open age-group. One would think the displaced players moving down would make these teams stronger than average. Strange phenomenon. Home ground advantage alone can’t explain it.
@kwartlyn: ek was by die wedstryd en volgens baie van die monnas ouers het hulle gedink as Jansen se hanteering beter was kon hulle gewen het.Ek dink die beter span het gewen
@Grasshopper: I am sorry but the Lister-James boys( Grant, Chris and Jeremy) all went to Westville. You must be referring to the next generation. On a more serious note the fact that GW won only 2 open games must be of concern against a small Private school in the Midlands. Well done House. You never cease to pull the proverbial rabbit out of the bag.
Trots op die Oakdale Bulle. Eerste helfde het DP julle gehou, maar julle oorheers die 2e. Ek weet nie van een van die 14 spanne wat verloor het nie.
@Far Meadows: Michaelhouse isn’t Michaelhouse without a double barreled name….in my day it was Lister-James
@GreenBlooded: Bossr was outstanding, I thought.
From a MHS perspective, they will be very pleased with their first outing of the season. When all the combinations ‘click’ they could be lethal.
In the forwards I thought Walters and Sesink-Clee were very good with Furniss having a good game from full-back.
@kwartlyn: Begin van wat?
@kwartlyn: ek verstaan nie jou hahahaha nie? Is jy sarkasties?
Mike het die blog vaarwel geroep so paar maande terug al…
@speler23: Menlo se spelers is onfiks en as hulle nie vinnig daaraan werk nie gaan hul seisoen baie lank raak. Aterlyn lyk baie goed met bal in hand. Die manne vertel my dat Monnas Eg se voorpak eintlik afgeknou het. Mikejy is baie stil wat het met julle ysters geword, Laastens aan RUGBYMAN kan ek net se hahahahahahahahaha dit is jul begin
@Dixon’s:
I think that was part of the problem at Kearsney. He was also catching passes on his ankles.
@akw: jys reg… ons sal daaraan werk
@Die Ken: @ Die Ken..Baie dankie vir die info..Ek is baie impressed met EGJ se onder 16 span ook.. Hulle het ‘n paar bulle in daai span, vernaam slotte en stutte..gelykop gister teen Monnas..groot jaar wat voorle..
@Dixon’s: I found Dubizane’s pass very slow. He does offer nippiness around the ruck though. I would give the 2nd team scrummie a go. How did the tight 5 do? I would move Blose up to lock, offers much in the loose. Not a jumper but a good player…
@Die Ken: I received a few of the Strand’s results. They are impressive.
u14A’s have beaten Rondebosch & Bishops.
u15A’s beat Rondebosch
This is what I’m told.
Strand benefit from the strong primary schools. Bishops and Bosch not that good at junior age group levels. Most of the Strand top performers will end up in Winelands schools???
Would be good to learn more about the dynamics that drive the success or lack of succees of a school like this at rugby.
@GreenBlooded: He played and kicked much better yesterday. Hes got a good boot on him.
House missed 3 or more some long range. Generally a good game .One thing Glenwood do well is winning turn over ball, something future opponents will have to shine up on
@GreenBlooded: He did all he could… the coaching staff need to look at making changes around him. a flyhalf cannot be expected to control a game when he is getting such slow service from the scrumhalf.
@GreenBlooded: Yes he was the Glenwood player of the match by some considerable margin
@Rugbyman: Dit bly net ‘n game, en daar is altyd lesse te leer uit ‘n verloor uit.
Kempies se direkte spel rondom die afbreekpunte het probleme veroorsaak, ook vir die /15s.
@4×4: Menlo se eerstespan het niks om oor skaam te wees nie. Baie goeie eerste helfte en ek meen hulle kan n paar van die groot name in die stof laat byt.
@akw: die seuns wou vir die wen gaan en nie die draw nie… daar was ook geen guarantee dat die losskakel die skop sou oorskop nie… soos ek sê, leerkurwe vir baie manne in die span… Baie van ons manne het vir die 1ste keer druk ervaar op 1ste span vlak en sal definitief baie leer uit die game uit! Ons was dir 2de helfte rerig baie swak en die seuns het nie gedoen wat halftyd bespreek was nie…
all in all is hierdie nie ‘n trein ongeluk nie! Some you win, some you lose…
@CyndiAtRugby: That is excellent news, happy that he could lift above the negativity, these are just kids after all.
@Rugbyman: Weet jy hoekom die laaste strafskop nie pale toe geskop is nie?
@Die Ken: dis maar hoe dit is… ons speel wie hulle vir ons gee… baie harde twee weke wat voorlê… nellies, booishaai, outeniqua en paarl gim almal in 7 dae…
@GreenBlooded: Jerome had a great game yesterday. Maybe the ‘House taunts spurred him on
@Rugbyman: laat ek weer probeer. ….deur 2 Noordvaalskole teen mekaar te laat speel
@Rugbyman: dis bra kakkerig. St. Johns organiseerders het n moerse four gemaak deur 2 Noordvaalskole tee
Hearing reports that Jerome Bossr completely redeemed himself on Meadows yesterday? Apparently he played a blinder. Can anyone confirm?
@jakes: o/16s gelyk 17-17, o/15s Monnas wen 41-11, o/14s Monnas wen 15-10, 2es Monnas wen 29-24. Ek weet nie van die ander spanne nie
@4×4: Kempton was ‘n baie goeie leerskool vir ons jonger manne in die span wat hard aarde toe gekom het… ek dink die verloor was dalk wat die seuns nodig gehad het! Weereens net ‘n bewys dat jy nie net kempton toe ry en sommer net wen nie… hulle is n trotse skool en hulle seuns speel met baie passie! In my opinie speel hulle maklik 50% beter op hul tuisveld…
Wat ons o/15s betref gaan hulle die jaar booishaai toe vir die toernooi daaronder weens redes wat ek seker nie oor hoef te praat nie!
In geheel gesien gaan vanjaar ‘n moeilike jaar vir garsies wees… ons is nie meer underdogs nie en ander skole WIL ons wen… Dis weer ‘n nuwe challenge maar ons sal deur dit ook kom!
@Rhino
The U15 and U16 groups were heavily recruited in Gr8 as has been noted before. College have actually improved – certainly in the U16 group – where they lost by 50-60 points as U14’s. The gap has narrowed. The ‘depth’ issue is very apparent when one considers the U16B result yesterday where College had a big win.
@Buffel: Hilton scored 3 tries, Kearsney got 4
Op Affies se webtuiste geloer..die spanne wat deelneem aan die onder 15 week lyk indrukwekkend, KES, KEMPTON PARK, PBHS, LINDEN, MONUMENT, ZWARTKOP, FRIKKIE MEYER, PARKTOWN, JEPPE, NELSPRUIT, MARITZBURG COLLEGE, HELPMEKAAR, AFFIES, EG JANSEN, WATERKLOOF en WINDHOEK.
Paar lekker “powerhouses” maar jammer om te sien dat Garsies nie daar is nie. Het dit baie geniet om hulle laasjaar daar te kyk.
Sien dit was nie ‘n goeie naweek vir Pretoria skole nie…Garsies en Menlo verloor….verstaan dat daar dalk te veel gewag gemaak word van Affies se 1stes. Hulle onder 14’s verloor teen sterk onder 14’s span van Helpies en die onder 16’s het blykbaar teen hulle self verloor deur baie swak balvaardighede en hantering. Sal ‘n punt maak om volgende naweek bietjie rugby te kyk en sien uit na die Francois Swart onder 15 week, ander weke net beskore vir die reisigers. Het julle dalk ‘n idee watter skole is almal by die week?
@star: Yip. Will get the scoring from the KC/Hilton game. I think 5 points up. Not sure if Hilton got the 4 tries needed for a bonus point.
Going to be very interesting say the least
@Buffel: Deal. Was it a case of the SABs finest?
@star: 1 from 1. Still 3 to go as we play as we play Hilton twice this year. A good start for the KC old boy. I think it is going to be a rough ride though. Banana peels everywhere. Ville and MHS potential stumbling blocks as too Hilton at home.I think we need a points system -maybe the Varsity cup one that awards try and convertion 8 points and a penalty 2. Total it up at the end and then we do a handover at the losers place.
@Rhino: Yes we won but still locked in 1st gear. We have a very solid tight 5 and dangerous back 3 and it seems Westville is trying too hard to force the ” linkage”. They should just play to their strength by playing for position and dominating up front. Once the opposition has been softened up the flow to the backs will happen naturally and be effective. I was so frustrated that with a howling wind at our back we were fiddling around amongst the backs in our 22. Still very much a work in progress.
Baie geluk aan Monnas..ek kon nie die game vandag kyk nie maar het gehoor hulle het ‘n bulpak…dit moes kliphard gewees het as ek so na die scores ook kyk..Koppe hoog hou EG Jansen,,die kanse is goed dat julle Monnas weer in die finaal kan pak..weet iemand wat by die JNR spanne gebeur het??
@Gungets Tuft: yep, agreed. I want a stronger DHS. However, I already know of 3 DPHS boys going to Glenwood next year. This is DHS’s bread & butter, not a good sign if they can’t even get their prep boys….DHS wasn’t even an option for their parents….
@Grasshopper: I don’t know. Unless I am misinformed those two teams are highly recruited from the EC, whereas the 2015 First side was a big local recruitment, something like 65 boys from the DPHS class of 2010 went to DHS. Another possible problem that will arise from the 2016 and 2015 matrics leaving is the parents associated with those years also leaving. They’ve been heavily involved, I hope there’s a new crop of involved parents coming through. But for now DHS is healthy enough, if lacking depth. Good on them, their problems are well documented and they have played on anyway. U14s – it’s always a lottery, would not read too much into that.
There are quiet changes at DHS. New coaching structures and a desire to improve Rugby results. They had 15 players on the field who have been together since Gr8. They have passion. They have negotiated the social changes other schools still need to go through and they have prepared my son well to take his place in the real world. I think they will have a good year this year. And the signs are there may be some decent years ahead … but the likes of Glenwood will probably still dominate. And they may have a couple of rough years ahead but that is life. BUT I am a lot more positive than I was after the 50+ score against college last year.
@Gungets Tuft: problem is once those 2 age groups pass through, what is coming behind them?
@ Gungets T
Thanks for info.. pity they cant field like they used to though back in our / my days when they were head to toe with our schools huh..will this happen again ?
@Rhino: DHS fielded 4 open sides and just 2 sides at U16 and U15, 5 teams at U14. Those U16A and U15A teams have been very good from day 1 at DHS, bodes well for DHS in 2016 and 2017.
@Greenblooded
DHS has massively improved huh.. i mean with A sides results. what about the lower sides? Im impressed though… we only won 7-6 in the port natal night series so goes to show how strong they are as reading above some DHS supporters saying DHS should have won as 2 tries missed ??!! U16/15 result a worry for College i would think…
@Gungets Tuft:
U14 41-0 College
U15 School by 20 odd points
U16 15-41 School
@ Grassy
Agreed, as always and u were so….
Think all NTL schools will have to be on their A game to win domestically it seems.. not a bad thing though is it..
@Rhino: Sport is about winning & losing graciously. Glenwood have lost fair & square to Kearsney & Michaelhouse in 2 weeks. They are going to need to keep their heads up and improve.
Hey Chaps -back again after last season :-) haha Sure Grassy happy now lol
..Just messing…
has anyone got all the scores yet from all the matches played Natal especially, some interesting results so far and i agree with Cindi will be rtght this year it seems…
Westville result today v Northwood 29-7 not sure of all the rest but happy with that anyhow.
@BiasedDHSDad: One of those was a penalty for double movement, College was penalized for one as well. I don’t remember seeing another occasion.
@umbiloburger: Not sure, but biggish losses for the College U15 and U16. U14 was a win for College, but I don’t have the exact scores. Greenblooded might have them, I was warding off a looming case of dehydration at the Bowling Club. I think it was 7/10 for College today.
Hockey was a 10:0 win I believe
@CyndiAtRugby: seems everyone has caught up with Glenwood, Westville & College now. No easy games and the overall KZN cup is open to any school.
@BiasedDHSDad:
That’s great to hear! Let’s hope the boys do us proud this year! Go School!
First outing for U16s. They will be worth watching I think. First Team is gutted. They crossed the line twice and grounded the ball but ref could not see to award try.
@Gungets Tuft: what were the junior A team scores.
@BiasedDHSDad: Indeed it could have gone the other way. The DHS pack extremely committed,some seriously large bit of beef in there, they are going to be a handful for any team that plays them this year. I’m not sure I would call it a great game, but it was massive up front. Well done DHS, at first team and A team level they are going to be tough to beat, might go as far as to say their U15 and U16 teams are the ones to beat in KZN this year.
I was impressed with the standard of rugby from the Michaelhouse boys today. Generally speaking, the players looked far fitter, more focussed and determined than I’ve seen them in previous encounters. I think there will be many aching bodies from both teams.
Today was also the first time I noticed the war cry leaders shaking hands at the end of the 1st team game. This type of behaviour is awesome to see.
@Die Ken: jip… ons speel hulle nou 2 keer in 2 weke… by st johns en tuks reeks quaryers… tensy marais viljoen vir kempton klop…
@Die Ken: Dankie, maar ek ek het geen rol te speel nie. Sit baie ver vd aksie. Dit is egter verblydend dat hulle intensiteit in die 2e helfte toegeneem het, mbv die wind blykbaar- anders as met hulle laaste wedstryd.
@SBR Fan: they won the trophy last year, but 2013 went to Kearsney & 2012 to Michaelhouse.
@Grasshopper: Really? How many games have they lost against KZN schools in that time? I seem to remember them winning that end of season trophy a few times?
Sjoe, Grey gaan vir my oud maak die jaar. Baie goeie eerste helfte van Menlo en soos @Pinotage tereg opmerk, nr 13 van Menlo het vir Grey besig gehou. Ongelukkig / gelukkig kon Menlo nie die pas volhou in die tweede helfte nie. Toe Grey eers begib balbesit kry was dit eenrigting verkeer. Nou heelwat meer moed vir die res van die seisoen.
@BiasedDHSDad: heard it was very tight & only won in the last few minutes. Seems ‘School’ is finally back!
@SBR Fan: boet, not sure who you are but I’ve been on this blog & 365 for years. Glenwood have not been that great since recruitment started with Marne Coetzee. Well done to House!
@beet: Beet, doen bietjie daar ‘n artikel oor Strand. As jy na die junior spanne se result ate kyk is daar iets groots aan die gebeur.
DHS go down 15-10 to College. Could easily have gone the other way. Great match.
@BOG: Boggie geluk met jul 1e wen vd jaar
@Rugbyman: ek neem aan julle slaan nou Nellies in die 1/4eind?
@Grasshopper: Don’t be pathetic, they have been the best team in KZN for many years so why all of a sudden? Why not just compliment the opposition instead of continually whining about the same rubbish?
Diamantveld 24 Duineveld 0, Noord-Kaap 19 Landboudal 7. Albei wedstryde in reen gespeel.
Well done House 1 from 1 not too bad considering you playing who’ve played 6
Well done House 1 from 1 not too bad considering you playing who’ve played 6
A Barbarians team of great individuals will never beat a good team who know each other well….
Yep, Glenwood lose 13-18! Eish!!! Buying a team shows it can’t compete with a real team…
Looks like Glenwood are going to lose to Michaelhouse, 13-18 down with 4 mins to go! Going to be a very very long season it seems..
@Rugbyman: @BOG: Menlo se 1ste span het die eerste helfte baie goed gespeel maar na rustyd stoom verloor teen die wind. Hul 13 is inderdaad n yster.Grey se 14 het n asemrowende drie gedruk in die tweede helfte wat deur Grey oorheers is.
@Kempie Pa: Baie geluk Kempies! Julle verdien die wen!
Cherries 55; Menlopark 8
Eerstes 50; ” 27
‘n Paar interesssante eerste span uitslae vandag
Kempies wen 30 27 teen Garsies.
1st Garsies 27 – 30 Kempton
Baie geluk aan Monnas julle was die beter span vandag 18 8
/16a Garsies 22 – 5 Kempton
2des Garsies 19 – 17 Kempton
GCB O14 A 8 MP 7
15 33 17
16 39 7
19E 84 0
D 99 0
Laat ons hoop dit duur so voort
/15a Garsies 14 – 34 Kempton
/14a Garsies 15 – 0 Kempton
@Rugbyman: Sterkte vir julle!
@GarsieOuer: daars nog baie werk… ons sal maar sien as teen beter oposisie speel soos kempton en dan ook by st johns en noord/suid…
@GarsieOuer: No probs. I’ll organise it later today
@Rugbyman: Rugbyman, after a few weeks, how is Garsies looking to you?
@beet: Beet, may I have a Garsie Jersey for an Avatar please?
@Grasshopper: Buy a bike, register as an organ donor, and go for it.
Rugbyman: Nou dis mos wat ek ook se!!
@Hanswors: I don’t understand this “practice”… You have played two full games already and now a third practice match?
No doubt that it will be good for the future but the rugby season has started and ja , to go and practice on a Saturday does not feel lekker from a spectator point of view. Good luck to both teams for sorting out combinations and scrums and line out calls…..
@LAEVELDER: Thanks Laevelder. I’ll remove it from the list
@Greenwood: Wish I could go to this one, drive from Ballito is just a tad to too far….
Hi Beet! Dont think NHS and Parktown played yesterday… asked around yesterday and one of the age group coaches said they no nothing of such a feature?
Thanks for posting change of time Meadows
we will be driving up from Dbn to watch this one – imagine arriving as the final whistle blows
Not too sure about the outcome though – The Green machine looks like they need more game time
always a pleasure to take in the surrounds at house to me one of best by far
@Hanswors – Why is it a waste of time?
PBHS and Waterkloof used to play each other and as Beet points out, this could be the start of a regular fixture in the future.
BTW – Boys High have a good record against Kloofies and I would warn schools not to write PBHS off this season. May just surprise a few.
@Hanswors: From a Klofies point of view, it does seem like a step backwards, considering their season has meant to already be underway. But perhaps Kloof see this as an investment. Stronger ties with PBHS could pave the way for a proper inter-schools fixture in future, something that Klofies are looking for. For PBHS who have decided to start rugby after the 2nd term, this practice is perfect prep for them.
@Beet Kloof vs PBH: What a waste of time!
Please Note:
Pretoria Boys High vs Waterkloof this Saturday is a practice match with the PBHS boys wearing practice kit, there is no kicking for poles, they are playing three 20 minute chukka’s, simulated game situations. There is the option to retake lineouts, scrums and defensive and attacking options during the game. No score will be kept.
Think the Tsholo’s gonna take this one… will be close thou!
@LAEVELDER: What about Kwenxurha against Tsholomnqa?
Beet aren’t we going to guess the weekend scores again like in the past?
For all those heading up to watch Michaelhouse beat Glenwood on Saturday , the kick off for the 1stXV match is at 13:40 ( they are concerned about thunderstorms and lightening, hence the earlier than usual start).
n Klompie wilde raaie vir die week:
Kearsney with 5
College with 2
Oakdale with 15
Grey Bloem with 3
Monnas with 7
Garsies with 7
Nelspruit with 13 (against Parktown)
Nelspruit with 2 (against Pietersburg)
W/Kloof with 25
Affies met 10
Hope for a 8 out of 10 at least
Glenwood need to bounce back after the disappointment of last Saturday. House on Meadows will be a tough hurdle though.