At their rugby day in Kimberley, hosts Diamantveld battled back to earn a 34-34 draw against Grey College, the powerhouse rugby school from Bloemfontein. In so doing the Diamonds joined a very small group of schools that have come away with something against Grey College in the last 20 years.
Although the 2015 school rugby season is just a few weeks old, Diamantveld has probably already accounted for one of the biggest upsets that will be recorded this year.
To put the result in perspective, in the last 20 and a bit seasons dating back to 1995, only 14 different South African schools have managed to get a win or draw against Grey College. Over that same period, Grey has had 9 unbeaten seasons.
Matches NOT won by Grey College 1995 – current
| # | YEAR | GREY COLLEGE | OPPONENT | RESULT | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2015 | Grey College | 34 | 34 | Diamantveld | Draw |
| 2 | 2014 | Grey College | 20 | 27 | Grey High School (PE) | Loss |
| 3 | 2014 | Grey College | 10 | 10 | Monument | Draw |
| 4 | 2013 | Grey College | 31 | 37 | Affies | Loss |
| 5 | 2013 | Grey College | 20 | 22 | Outeniqua | Loss |
| 6 | 2012 | Grey College | 18 | 28 | HJS Paarl BH | Loss |
| 7 | 2012 | Grey College | 29 | 35 | Affies | Loss |
| 8 | 2012 | Grey College | 29 | 45 | Paarl Gim | Loss |
| 9 | 2011 | Grey College | 15 | 15 | HJS Paarl BH | Draw |
| 10 | 2011 | Grey College | 16 | 16 | Selborne College | Draw |
| 11 | 2009 | Grey College | 3 | 9 | Paul Roos | Loss |
| 12 | 2006 | Grey College | 5 | 5 | Jim Fouché | Draw |
| 13 | 2006 | Grey College | 13 | 18 | Affies | Loss |
| 14 | 2006 | Grey College | 10 | 14 | Glenwood | Loss |
| 15 | 2006 | Grey College | 11 | 16 | Paul Roos | Loss |
| 16 | 2005 | Grey College | 19 | 29 | Outeniqua | Loss |
| 17 | 2005 | Grey College | 13 | 15 | Maritzburg College | Loss |
| 18 | 2005 | Grey College | 20 | 27 | Affies | Loss |
| 19 | 2004 | Grey College | 14 | 17 | Grey High School (PE) | Loss |
| 20 | 2004 | Grey College | 18 | 21 | Paul Roos | Loss |
| 21 | 2001 | Grey College | 12 | 12 | Affies | Draw |
| 22 | 2000 | Grey College | 10 | 17 | HJS Paarl BH | Loss |
| 23 | 1998 | Grey College | 10 | 15 | St Mary’s College (Dublin) | Loss |
| 24 | 1998 | Grey College | 15 | 16 | Auckland Grammar (NZ) | Loss |
| 25 | 1997 | Grey College | 8 | 12 | Paul Roos | Loss |
| 26 | 1996 | Grey College | 3 | 25 | Affies | Loss |
| 27 | 1996 | Grey College | 8 | 13 | Monument | Loss |
| 28 | 1996 | Grey College | 9 | 16 | HJS Paarl BH | Loss |
| 29 | 1996 | Grey College | 14 | 15 | Selborne College | Loss |
| 30 | 1996 | Grey College | 3 | 13 | Grey High School (PE) | Loss |
Original Grey College 1st XV results research done by Nelio of www.Rugby15.co.za
It took Nelio 4 years to compile the data from scratch.
The data used above is an extract used to portray a situation and is not an attempt to copy and paste his work.
@Ploegskaar: Ek stem saam. Diamantveld het in elk geval nie ‘n maklike begin teen Die Brandwag nie.
@Kbypa: @Oakdale supporter: Die Oakdale Rugbyweek het hierdie jaar ‘n lekker sterk veld met ‘n paar piesangskille tussen in, sal self een van die dae ‘n draai kom gooi, ek reken daar mag ‘n paar upsets wees
@Oakdale supporter: As ek reg onthou, het hulle so twee of drie jaar gelede ook op jul toernooi teen mekaar gespeel. Telling was toe 19-elk, dink ek. Ek dink Oakdale het die afgelope twee jaar bietjie bo Diamantveld uitgestyg, maar dit kan vanjaar weer ‘n interessante stryd wees.
@Kbypa: Aangesien die 2e en 3e rondte se loting gedoen word op uitslae, gaan hul heel waarskynlik nog teen mekaar speel ook. Dit kan dus 2 keer in 3 weke wees.
@Oakdale supporter: Voor Wildeklawer kry julle darem ook die geleentheid om Diamantveld deur te kyk wanneer hulle daar by julle kuier.
@BoishaaiPa: Dit sal beslis vir Jean en sy span ‘n aansporing wees!
@Kbypa: Met n Oud-Gimmie as coach behoort daar nie n gebrek aan motivering teen Boishaai te wees nie!
@Kbypa: Kbypa, julle uislag teen Grey en selfs teen Duineveld maak die vooruitsig vir Wildeklawer baie interresant uit ‘n Oakdale perspektief
@danie: Ja, dit gaan dalk selfs ‘n groter toets wees (sonder ‘n geesdriftige tuisskare!). Ek gaan nie my geld op ‘n wen of gelykop sit nie, maar hoop die outjies gaan hul man staan. Selfs ‘n verloor met ‘n klein punteverskil sal al baie beteken. Hulle het Saterdag teen Duineveld weer goed gelyk, was dit nie vir die reen nie, sou dit ‘n groot telling geraak het. Ek reis ongelukkig nie saam nie, wens ek kon (ek is nie self by die span of skool betrokke nie, net ‘n ondersteuner)! Ek dink dit gaan ‘n goeie game wees. Dis in elk geval vir die outjies ‘n groot eer om teen ‘n skool soos Boishaai te speel, en om deel van Paul Roos se feesvieringe te wees. Wildeklawer wag natuurlik ook in April, en ook Menlopark in Kimberley ‘n week voor Wildeklawer.
@Kbypa: Dit was inderdaad n goeie uitslag vir Diamantveld, maar……as ek dit reg het speel julle teen Boishaai komende Saterdag by ons in Stellenbosch, nou dit gaan ook n GROOT toets wees, as julle dit kan regkry om nog n draw of selfs te wen, wel dan het julle sonder twyfel n belowende jaar voor julle! Sterkte vir die game en veilig reis, sien uit na die game!!
@BOG: Dankie. My punt was net dat Grey minder rede tot kommer gehad het as wat sommige gedink het, en ek dink dit het hulle vandag teen Menlopark bewys. Goeie oorwinning, geluk daarmee!
@beet: Dankie, dis reg so.
@Kbypa: Ek dink nie daar is enige persoon hier wie die prestasie van Diamantveld, ontken nie. Persoonlik, het ek dit met my eerste kommentaar na die wedstryd erken en vir hulle geluk toegewens. Wat egter n “raaisel” bly, is die getal driee wat GCB in die laaste kwart vd wedstryd, afgestaan het.n Kenmerk van Grey se spel oor dekades,was reeds HULLE eindpoging.
@Kbypa: I hope you don’t mind. I gave you a Diamantveld avatar. Please let me know if you want something different
@Pinotage: Dankie, Pinotage! Ek het jul kommentaar gesien. Dis juis die perspektief wat ek ook wou oordra. (Net vir die rekord. Ek is nie self by Diamantveld betrokke nie. Ek is wel ‘n ondersteuner, en ken toevallig ‘n paar mense by al die skole om redelik ingelig oor die skolerugbytoneel in Kimberley te wees. By Diamantveld natuurlik ‘n paar meer, danksy ‘n kind wat daar op skool was.)
@beet: Ek stem saam met jou, maar dalk het ek nie die punt duidelik genoeg gemaak wat ek wou maak nie. Ek verwag nie die uitslag moet aanvaar word as ‘n gelykopuitslag tussen twee topspanne nie. Diamantveld is nog nie daar nie, en die pad tot daar is nog lank. My punt is dat die uitslag nie so sleg vir Grey is as wat baie mense aanvaar nie. Hulle het te staan gekom teen ‘n hoogs gemotiveerde span wat baie wou bewys (terwyl dit vir Grey net nog ‘n wedstryd was). En dan ook teen ‘n span wat beter is as wat hulle (waaskynlik) verwag het. Nog nie ‘n Paul Roos of Paarl-Gim of Affies nie, maar ook nie die Diamantveld van twee of drie jaar gelede nie en wat hulle waarskynlik verwag het nie. Ja, ek sal natuurlik graag wil sien dat Diamantveld erkenning kry vir waar hulle is, maar daardie erkenning moet verdien word, dit gaan nie na een wedstryd gebeur nie. Ek wpu wel uitwys dat dinge aan die gebeur is by Diamantveld, en daardie perspektief is ook nodig wanneer Saterdag se uitslag bespreek word. Eerder as om net die redes vir die uitslag net by Grey te soek, kyk na die groter prentjie.
@Kbypa: Ekself en Oud- Uppie het op n ander thread met lof gepraat van Diamantveld se vertoning teen Grey. Van my kant was die gelukwensing opreg.
Ek het veral respek vir julle eerlikheid en moraliteit. Julle hou by die reels anders as daai ander lot naby julle.
Julle verdien respek en ek hoop dat Diamantveld n wonderlike seisoen sal ervaar. Carpe Diem!!!
Grey sal sy battles baklei en nooit maar nooit gaan le nie.
@Kbypa: I hear what you say about all the positive changes that are taking place at the Diamonds and how these have contributed to the character shown by the 1st XV to come back and secure a memorable draw. However this result will be measured by where the 2 teams go from here. If the Diamonds continue to churn out good results then maybe people may come to accept the result as a tied game involving 2 top teams. Anything else and it will forever be remembered as a game Grey should have but did not win.
Terwyl daar blykbaar nog by Grey gewroeg word oor die uitslag, die volgende. Dis nie net Grey wat teen Diamantveld gelykop gespeel het nie. Dis ook Diamantveld wat teen Grey gelykop gespeel het. Diamantveld se rugby het sedert verlede jaar onder ‘n puik nuwe afrigtingspan nuwe rigting gekry. Die oplewing het toe al gewys (dink aan die stewige Classic Clash-sege, die eerste in sewe jaar). Vanjaar word daarop voortgebou. Terloops, ‘n groot deel van verlede jaar se span was graad elfs, en het behoue gebly vir vanjaar. Daar word hard gewerk om rugby by die skool te ontwikkel, nie net om ‘n sterker eerste span te kry nie, maar om die standaard in die algemeen te lig, en ook sodat individuele spelers beter kan ontwikkel (en sonder om hordes spelers in te voer). Groot spanne word vanjaar aangedurf, nie uit verwaandheid nie, maar ter wille van ontwikkeling. Die filosofie soos wat ek dit verstaan van die mense in beheer is so: Meet jouself teen die beste, dan weet jy werklik waar jy staan. Speel teen die beste, sodat jy by die beste kan leer (selfs al verloor jy). Want dan kan jy die beste word wat jy kan wees. Vanselfsprekend is die wenmotief deel van alles, maar dit is nie alles nie. Uiteindelik gaan dit daaroor om vir die kinders die beste geleenthede te gee. Die sukses teen Grey is die resultaat van harde werk, en ‘n positiewe ingesteldheid. Grey het nie swak gespeel nie, en ek het geen rede daar gesien vir hulle om in sak en as te gaan sit nie. Hulle het te staan gekom teen ‘n beter span as wat hulle gedink het, en daarby ‘n span wat hoogs gemotiveerd was. Jammer dat sommige mense skynbaar glo Grey alleen het die uitslag bepaal…
@Dunlop: Kom ons hoop die manne kom more–oggend vroeg al uit die blokke. Ek sal vroeg die pad vat en jy sal my sien rondwaggel tussen die Oval en die Hoofveld.
Die lekkerte is dat niemand weet wat gaan gebeur nie. Hopelik proe die Koue Een ekstra lekker na die hoofwedstryd!
O dis vir my lekker as die manne so redeneer rondom die grey span en hulle teenstanders.
Ek wil nou nie verskoning soek nie, maar…..
Vir diamandveld om terug te kom na hulle 22/23 punte agter was wil gedoen wees.
Ek hoor rumors daar van Bloemfontein af…. Niks wat ek hier gaan bekend maak nie…..
Grey is altyd slow starters, en hul proewe is gewoonlik die hardste game van die jaar.
Ek dink Grey het in plain Afrikaans swak gespeel en is baie telleurgesteld in die uitslag.
@BOG: nee wat. Geen sensitiwiteit nie. Ons het ook ‘n paar redes vir daardie telling, maar in die publiek wens ons julle net geluk toe met die wen
Ek moet noem, dat julle beseringslys vrek lank is vir die tyd van die seisoen. Alle sterkte vir 2015 vir die skool van die vlaktes
@Pinotage: Ja, ek het vergeet van daardie telling- waarskynlik die bron van sensiwiteit.
@BOG: Wat help dit ek probeer redeneer. Los dit liewers
@Pinotage: Yes and well deserved. Fortunately it’s a new year, with new challenges
@BOG: The injuries are indeed unfortunate. You are furthermore correct that a number of the under 16A side of last year, Klein Os included, will have to step up. They did after all manage to beat Paul Roos under 16A last year by 76 -12.
@beet: By “Die Ken s” way of thinking, you are making excuses for GCB. But I and most others, agree, its quite a serious list of injuries. Its a well known fact that last years Cherries were not all that strong, so I would assume that they were going to rely quite heavily on last yrs U16 group. Personally, I was looking forward in seeing “Klein Os “at 6, but he is out for the season
@badboy: @BOG: As far I last saw GCB have lost 17 games at home which I think 10 were to Queens the most famous of them been in 1972 were a real David vs Golthiah story with one of the best GCB teams headed up by Theunis Stofberg was beaten 10-12 by a very average QC team in Bloem.
I think there have also been 15 draws at home for GCB which I aslo think around 9 or 10 were against QC.
I think the most controversial game was in 1982 when GCB beat QC 16-15 the ref gave QC a penalty in front of the poles 2 min before full time but due to a schuffle the ref was trying to blow his whistle to break it up when most the crowd and the GCB players thought he was blowing for full time the crowd invaded the field and the ref then called it off. Helgard Muller always claimed it was the best luck they ever had.
@BOG: Waarom anders sal die man, die beserings op die blog noem, per toeval? Nee. Ek het wel nie gese dat dit nie ‘n klomp beserings is nie, ek stem saam. Wat ek genoem het is dat daar menigmaal op hierdie blog na die Cherries verwys word as die 2e beste SA skolespan. As dit dan waar is, is beserings mos nie ‘n probleem nie? En ek gaan rerig nou nie al die kere wat dit gese is gaan soek en vir hou uitwys nie, jy kan jou tyd daarmee verwyl Boggie
@BOG: as ‘n man se sin begin met “mens wil nooit verskonings maak nie MAAR”…. So, ek verwys na jou Boggie
@OudUppie: Sjoe that is a serious injury list and would derail most schools efforts to achieve good results.
@Die Ken: Toe, Kennetjie, “Name them and shame them”. Gee ons die name vd wie verskonings gemaak het.
@OudUppie: Komaan Grey manne, ek het meer van jul verwag om verskonings te maak
– daar is mos ‘n klomp Greys wat glo dat die Cherries die 2e beste span in SA is, dus behoort ‘n paar beserings nie ‘n probleem te wees nie – jul trek mos dan net spelers van die 2e beste SA skole span op?
@OudUppie: Mens wil nooit verskonings gebruik nie, maar dit is nogal n lang lys. Baie jammer
@BOG: Die besingslys lyk iets soos dit:
1st Span
Nr 15 (begin weer Mei speel – fraktuur in voet)
Nr 7 (uit vir ses weke met gebreekte vinger)
Nr 5 (voor Saterdag se game onttrek – weet nie vir hoe lank uit)
Beserings voor en tydens proewe:
Nr 12 (uit vir seisoen – kruisligamente)
Nr 6 (klein Os verlede jaar 0/16A- uit vir seisoen – kruisligamente)
Nr 5 (verlede jaar 0/16A – uit vir seisoen – gebreekte enkel)
Nr 4 (verlede jaar 1st span en cravenweek – begin weer Mei speel – kruisligamente)
Nr 4 (verlede jaar 0/16A – begin weer Mei speel)
Soos jy kan sien is daar heelwat slotte beseer, maar dis ongelukkig deel van die game – ander skole het ook maar hulle beserings. Kom ons hoop maar dit gaan Saterdag beter teen Menlo.
I think its safe to say that the year 1994, was a terrible year, in more than one way. Certainly for Grey rugby. As I always say, thankfully I was outside the country and that was before internet. So I got the news very late.@kosie: Believe it or not, the only connection that I have with the States, is GCB and that is a long time ago.I have never lived there as an adult.@akw: Keep in mind that the 7th team has an “illustrious” record. They are known as the crocks and has produced, I believe, Nienaber, the Springboks defense coach. Also known for the “Pepsi”@OudUppie: Soos jy dit stel, n paar atlete en n paar beseerdes kan sleutelspelers insluit, en aan die einde vd dag, nogal n verskil maak. En ek se dit maar seker uit hoop
@David: Waterkloof het ‘n baie goeie begin van die seisoen gehad. Hulle speel eerskomende Saterdag teen Pretoria Boys High. Boys High se eerste vir die jaar, en dit gaan taai wees vir Boys High.
As daar nog iemand is wat wonder – Grey se 0/19 spanne was Saterdag volsterkte spanne. Die 1st span het teen Diamanveld gespeel, Cherries teen Duineveld en Peaches teen Landboudal. Daar kan dalk nog ‘n paar veranderinge wees, maar behalwe vir ‘n paar beseerdes (meer as wat Grey kan bekostig) en ‘n paar atlete was dit die beste wat Grey die jaar het.
@David:
1 2014 Grey College 25 Paul Roos 20
2 2014 Grey College 46 Maritzburg College 20
3 2014 Grey College 20 Grey HS 27
4 2014 Grey College 42 Affies 31
5 2014 Grey College 32 Westville 20
6 2014 Grey College 44 Louis Botha 27
7 2013 Grey College 50 Grey High School PE 21
8 2013 Grey College 35 HJS Paarl BH 28
9 2013 Grey College 31 Affies 37
10 2013 Grey College 42 Oakdale 20
11 2013 Grey College 20 Outeniqua 22
12 2013 Grey College 50 Hentie Cilliers24
13 2012 Grey College 33 Paul Roos 23
14 2012 Grey College 18 HJS Paarl BH 28
15 2012 Grey College 29 Affies 35
16 2012 Grey College 41 EG Jansen 22
17 2012 Grey College 37 Waterkloof 20
18 2012 Grey College 29 Paarl Gim 45
19 2012 Grey College 37 Hentie Cilliers 25
20 2011 Grey College 36 Paul Roos 35
21 2011 Grey College 49 Jim Fouche 21
22 2011 Grey College 69 Grey High School (PE) 21
23 2010 Grey College 41 Paul Roos 29
24 2010 Grey College 34 Pretoria BH 29
25 2008 Grey College 34 HJS Paarl BH 24
26 2007 Grey College 48 HJS Paarl BH 24
27 2007 Grey College 44 Grey High School (PE) 26
28 2007 Grey College 38 Pretoria BH 20
@David: I don’t think those score vergelykings mean much but the points conceded makes for interesting reading.
Geluk Diamantveld, julle moes puik gewees het saterdag.
What worries me most the last few years and I do not know if it coincides with Wessel taking over, is the points scored by the opposition.
20 points or more scored in a game against Grey since 2007.
2007 – 3
2008 – 1
2009 – 0
2010 – 2
2011 – 2
2012 – 7
2013 – 6
2014 – 6
I have heard good things about Wessel’s coaching but I think he is in for a tough year, teams like EG and Monnas are looking great. Menlo will also pose a good test this weekend.
Boishaaipa se altyd om te vergelyk is nie n goeie idee nie maar:
Sentraal 24-22 Diamantveld
Waterkloof 48 – 5 Sentraal
Grey College 34-34 Diamandveld
Gee julle beste en sterkte vir die jaar.
@Queenian: @badboy:
1 1994 Grey College 0 Paarl Gim 10
2 1994 Grey College 30 Monument 36
3 1994 Grey College 17 Pukekohe High School (New Zealand) 34
4 1994 Grey College 8 Southland Boys’ High (New Zealand) 17
5 1994 Grey College 12 Selborne College 30
6 1994 Grey College 15 Queens College 22
7 1994 Grey College 10 Grey High School (PE) 18
8 1994 Grey College 29 Paul Roos 31
9 1993 Grey College 7 Dale College 26
10 1993 Grey College 12 Monument 34
11 1993 Grey College 0 HJS Paarl BH 0
12 1993 Grey College 8 Paul Roos 28
13 1992 Grey College 0 Randburg High 12
14 1992 Grey College 11 Sentraal 13
15 1992 Grey College 6 Monument 11
16 1992 Grey College 16 Grey High School (PE) 20
17 1991 Grey College 14 Monument 16
18 1991 Grey College 3 Paul Roos 20
19 1990 Grey College 6 Grey High School (PE) 6
20 1988 Grey College 9 Paarl Gim 9
21 1985 Grey College 3 Queen’s College 14
22 1985 Grey College 4 Maritzburg College 10
23 1984 Grey College 10 Grey High School (PE) 18
24 1984 Grey College 9 Queens College 26
25 1983 Grey College 3 HTS Louis Botha 6
26 1979 Grey College 13 HJS Paarl BH 15
27 1979 Grey College 9 HTS Kimberley 11
28 1978 Grey College 10 Wynberg Boys’ High 12
29 1978 Grey College 17 Grey High School (PE) 19
30 1976 Grey College 12 Grey High School (PE) 13
31 1974 Grey College 0 Worcester Boys’ High 3
32 1974 Grey College 7 St Andrews College 13
33 1973 Grey College 9 Hoërskool Dr Viljoen 15
34 1972 Grey College 10 Queens College 12
35 1971 Grey College 6 JBM Hertzog Hoërskool 6
And I see Ingo and Dries is now coaching the 7th and 8th teams. That must be the most experienced and illustrious coaching pairing for 7th and 8th teams ever anywhere in the world.
@BOG: I know you do not reside in Bloem as you have often advised. Where in the beautiful Free State are you “BOG ged down”? Just for interest sake as I have a very strong connection with The States
@BOG: I still rate Daryll Cullinan’s performance in the 1984 Grey – Queens game as the single best display of flyhalf play I ever saw at school level. The score was not even close.
@Queenian: @badboy: I think the winning ratio over a 100 yrs, was 90 plus percent and QC was responsible for quite a few. By the way, GCB played hockey at Queens this past weekend, and it went well for GCB. Could not let the opportunity go by
@BOG: Not sure how good your historical knowledge is but I heard the other day that since 1932 GCB have only lost 11 games at home and drawn 10 at home.
Maybe you know who these were against maybe “Rugbyfan” could shed some light on this.
@Queenian: Agree with you there.
@BOG: Strange they put this up as if Grey used to loose more games before this period as far as I know GCB in the 25 year period from 1970 – 1995 lost only 16 games which 6 were in 1995 so would consider it more of a golden era than 1996-2014.
@Djou: There was a Grey Xv (labelled as such) that played against Landboudal, and a Grey Invitational team (labelled as such) that played against Duineveld. The team that played Diamantveld wasn’t a “Grey XV”, it was the official first team, in the official first team jerseys, the real Grey team, and labelled as such by Grey. In other words, Grey considered it an official first team game, not part of trials. (And it would have been incredibly stupid of them to play trials against Diamantveld….) Of course next week’s team could be a bit different, all teams change. Diamantveld’s team next week might not be exactly the same as the one which played on Saturday. I agree that too much should not be read into the result as a prediction for Grey’s season. It says a lot more about where Diamantveld is than what it says about where Grey is. Grey have nothing to be ashamed of, they simply came up against a very determined, well trained team which they perhaps underestimated.
Don’t read too much into this result as a prediction for Grey’s 2015 season. Still a pre-season and part of trials for Grey. The other Grey XV won comfortably against Duineveld – and so did the Cherries.
So, the real Grey team will play from next week onward.
But still, congrats to Diamantveld.
normally its GCB who end off games like the All Blacks do, so I was quite surprised to see Diamantveld close that deficit from 13-34 down! Well done to them, as it must’ve been an enthralling game.
Although a draw, it must rate as one of the biggest surprizes of all time. But well done to Diamantveld. Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call.GCB, over many years, have been known for their finishes (PRG can testify to one or two), but it would seem that Diamantveld turned the tables the on them, scoring several tries in the last 15 minutes.