Glenwood will be out to cause an upset when they take on Affies, the current number one ranked school in South Africa. Affies has won twelve games this season so far and Glenwood has ten wins to their name but significantly the Pretoria team will arrive in Durban undefeated while Glenwood has lost seven games this season.
The Witbulle have conquered all in their path this season. However with the exception of an impressive away win against Grey College and a hard fought Pretoria derby victory against Waterkloof, the Affies fixture list looks like it’s missing some oomph! A game against Outeniqua was called off. The are no matches scheduled against the likes of Paarl Gim and strong Noordvaal opponents EG Jansen, Monnas, Nelspruit, HTS Middelburg and Garsfontein, all of whom are highly ranked teams.
Glenwood are nearing the end of yet another long and testing season. The campaign didn’t get off to the best of starts but Glenwood found their feet and produced six marvelous wins in a row along with an outstanding effort against Selborne over Easter. Their form by the end of that cycle had many suggesting that they were a National Top 10 team and possibly the best in KZN this year. However defeats against Monnas and then George Campbell has set them back a bit in terms of expectations. The rollercoaster effect does have everyone asking: “Which Glenwood will pitch up on Saturday?” The team that can open up even the most discipled defence with their exciting expansive style of running rugby or the one that gets bullied into submission by a bigger more physical pack of forwards.
The match will be played on Glenwood’s Dixons Field at 15h15 on Saturday, 27 July. There should be a big crowd for this one so make sure you get there early and be prepare for an action packed 1st XV game of rugby.
Affies and Glenwood matches to date used to compile chart above:
| DATE | TEAM | TEAM | TEAM | TEAM | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 02-Mar | Glenwood | 26 | 24 | Framesby | |||||
| 16-Mar | Kearsney | 26 | 25 | Glenwood | Diamantveld | 7 | 32 | Affies | |
| 21-Mar | Garsfontein | 48 | 26 | Glenwood | |||||
| 23-Mar | Glenwood | 31 | 34 | Drostdy | |||||
| 28-Mar | Glenwood | 10 | 15 | Paul Roos | |||||
| 30-Mar | Glenwood | 41 | 5 | Selborne | Queens | 13 | 27 | Affies | |
| 01-Apr | Paarl Gim | 40 | 12 | Glenwood | Affies | 31 | 3 | Grey HS | |
| 03-Apr | Dale | 0 | 53 | Affies | |||||
| 13-Apr | Pinetown | 0 | 82 | Glenwood | Affies | 88 | 9 | John Vorster | |
| 20-Apr | Michaelhouse | 5 | 36 | Glenwood | Affies | 46 | 6 | KES | |
| 27-Apr | Affies | 36 | 18 | Jeppe | |||||
| 02-May | Glenwood | 36 | 13 | Boland Landbou | Affies | 41 | 21 | Framesby | |
| 04-May | Glenwood | 17 | 15 | HJS Paarl BH | Affies | 17 | 10 | Paul Roos | |
| 11-May | Glenwood | 21 | 9 | Hilton | Grey College | 31 | 37 | Affies | |
| 18-May | DHS | 14 | 46 | Glenwood | Eldoraigne | DNP | DNP | Affies | |
| 25-May | M. College | 40 | 44 | Glenwood | Affies | 19 | 18 | Waterkloof | |
| 01-Jun | Glenwood | 20 | 26 | Monnas | |||||
| 08-Jun | Northwood | 11 | 33 | Glenwood | |||||
| 15-Jun | George Campbell | 13 | 12 | Glenwood | |||||
| 20-Jul | Affies | 51 | 20 | M. College |
Glenwood vs Affies (2007 – 2012) stats supplied by Glenwood High School
Although they had played Affies at various festivals in the past, Glenwood only started playing Affies as a full school fixture in 2007. Currently, the record stands as: Glenwood played 6, won 2, and lost 4.
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2007 |
Lost 11 – 48 |
Pretoria |
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2008 |
Won 24 – 7 |
Durban |
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2009 |
Won 24 – 10 |
Pretoria |
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2010 |
Lost 32 – 54 |
Pretoria |
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2011 |
Lost 9 – 18 |
Durban |
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2012 |
Lost 10 – 28 |
Pretoria |
Other interesting facts:
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Glenwood |
Affies |
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Rugby Springboks |
6 |
8 |
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S.A. U/20 |
5 |
17 |
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S.A. Schools |
6 |
22 |
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Provincial Schools |
151 |
289 |
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Senior Natal / Blue Bulls Players |
46 |
84 |
And the “argie-bargie”has not disappeared – it can be found …. here … http://schoolboyrugby.co.za/blog/?p=4963
@Gungets Tuft:
Affies won 53-23
Ok, got it from Greenblooded, Affies 53 – Glenwood 23
@Gungets Tuft: I believe Affies won 53-23. Didn’t see the game.
@Grasshopper: 1st team score?
@Vleis: Derrick Ross was the 8th man Thompson also played in that side.
Glenwood 2nds win 19-12!
@Grasshopper: Have all the results at home, will get to it later. Glenwood scalped College a few times, but if memory serves we didn’t lose more than 10 or 11 matches in 10 years. That 87 Bishops loss reversed a big win against them in 86, and might have been the only loss that year.
@Gungets Tuft: The whole ’85 team was really good, but the players that stood out in particular were Stransky and the 8th man. I played football in the same Vets team as Stransky recently and asked him what happened to the 8th man. If I remember correctly, he said that the chap got injured just after school and never quite recovered.
I don’t think Stransky was injured in ’85 – I think he was simply not selected.
@Grasshopper: Yep Greenside OB. I watched the College game v Bishops in ’87, as I was at UCT at the time. If I remember correctly, Bishops won by 41 to 9. The captain of College that day was the Zimbo, Catterall. Bishops also had great teams in the ’80s – in fact they bet the teams from Paarl & Stellies far more than they lost to them in those days. Hell, my mate from Saints said that even his ’87 team beat HJS at Paarl in ’87.
Glenwood 4ths win 29-19, go boys! People say Glenwood have no depth, hmmm! Under14a’s getting well beaten now 29-0…..maybe under prepared….
4ths Glenwood 8 Affies 7, half time. Go boys! Under 14a 17-0 down halftime.
Under14a 17-0 down, seems to have met their match, oh well keep giving your best boys…
Glenwood Under14a 10-0 down, come on boys rise to the challenge!
College U14A win 10-8
Glenwood first victory of the day 6th’s winning 10-0, well done boys! The other games don’t seem to be huge run always yet…
@Grasshopper: Thanks – and same to you guys. Keep us “blogged” about scores …
Also good luck to all the College Boys vs PBHS today, Red, Black, White…..College!!
Really a big good luck to all the Glenwood Boys today, tackle tackle tackle! The Affies boys are human, take them down and don’t give up. Play for yourselves, your coach, your parents and the school. Go Green!
@Vleis: 1985 was indeed unbeaten, and a few members of that team actually read this blog. Beat Grey 10-4 on Goldstones. That year Grey also had a great team, 13 in the Free State side and 5 in the SA Schools squad. One of that squad helped make history in 1995.
6 in Natal Schools (AT Arntzen, SR Glover, KL O’Connor, DG Ross, KLL Smith, JT Stransky (c)) but just Glover in SA Schools, don’t know why Stransky didn’t make it because he had been picked in 1984 (injury??).
@Vleis: Greenside OB? College were unstoppable in the 80’s although they did lose in 87 to Bishops, who must have been awesome. Ill try and dig up Glenwood results vs College in the 80’s …
@WBHS Griffon: @Gungets Tuft: In 1987, Natal and Transvaal (now Lions) played to a 22 all draw in the final game at CW. My school team mate played in that game and was also selected for the SA schools side that year. Eight years later he was tasked with marking Lomu in the World Cup final!
Gungets, I remember watching the College team at the Saints festival in ’85. That was a great team. They hammered KES, PBHS and Bishops and later beat GCB too. I think that they were unbeaten that year.
hoping the GM well today , will be a hard day at the office for all teams, but having seen the score differences slowly reducing over the years 2008 at home was dismal, with cricket scores to last year where there was reasonable results , right through , Grasshopper , I must say I disagree, with whether or not we should be playing them , WE SHOULD, it has helped GW improve, of this there is no doubt ,
what GW nee dto do is take the next step, and up the coaching in the lower teams, fitness and a teach the boys to tackle , it is the one area that lets GW boys down, yes they are inventive players, etc , but if the tackle better , like College , you would see them , make strides in performance and results
@WBHS Griffon: In 1987 College had 4 as you say, with Catterall captaining the side, Goedeke, Reed and Wilson also in there. Vynne was very unlucky not to make the side, he was one of College’s all time great wings, but we know what trials are like where wings sometimes never see the ball.
College has had more than one in 1974 (first time the Schools side was picked) in Bruce White and Mally Thompson, 1987 as above, and in 2002 when Grant, Penzhorn and Squires were picked.
Those were the days – in the 80’s and 90’s it was not unusual to see 5 or 6(even 9 on occasions) College boys in the Natal Schools squad. I wonder, if the internet had been pervasive, and Beet’s folks got together earlier, whether there would have been an outcry similar to this year over selections
@Grasshopper: I’m sure if he was Glenwood you guys would be claiming it. As far as Westville are concerned he was selected for the SA Schools squad.
@WBHS Griffon: Kearsney last year and this year with the Doops. Heard Hawley was never credited with a cap and in those days you had to get a cap, so is not officially listed. Yes 1987 was a freak year all over, Ruben Kruger was the Grey Bloem flank….
@Grasshopper: @ Star. Correct, Alisdair Hawley made the SA Schools squad in 1987 with Errol Stewart. He was a scrumhalf. First and only time Westville have had two SA Schools rugby representatives in the same year. I know College had 4 1987, I think Warren Wilson was SA Schools captain, so a very special year for KZN Schools rugby. I wonder how many other schools in KZN have had more than 1 SA schools rugby rep in the same year? I’m sure DHS must have, at least more than once in their history?
@star: thanks Star, very kind of you. We going to need more than luck, a miracle maybe. But miracles can happen at this level, look at George Campbell. The boys must believe. Yes, College to bring the first Grogper back to the last outpost :-)
All the best to GW tomorrow. It is not going to be easy but belief can take you a long way. Make KZN proud. And College bring the Cup home
This looks a little more credible; http://www.rghs.org.za/sites/default/files/FairladySchoolsArticle-1.pdf
@GreenBlooded: Port Shepstone High!!!! huh? Next thing we will have Grosvenor, Queensburgh and Brettonwood in the list….
@Grasshopper: Glad to see Benoni High School in the mix. Bwhahahahaha.
@Roger: I think I’m going to print out that list and stick it up on the notice board at St Mary’s (around the corner from me) – highlighting the fact that they are way behind Pinetown. That should get the little princesses into a flutter!!
What a joke. SACS, Michaelhouse, Westville, Booishaai. Wowzer.
@Vleis: Westville Girls High? Best academics in KZN….Bishops, St Cyprians, Queens College, Grey PE……..hogwash!
@Roger: Glenwood is 21st on the list, so not that……the list is just dodgy as it’s not based on any results, stats….evidence, seems as good as a basic thumb suck. Also, how do you compare schools from different countries with different systems……many great schools missing from it too…
@Roger: Heehee Roger, back to your old self I see. Hopefully KES will have a good year in 2014, so that we see more of you!
@Grasshopper: Agreed. That list includes some schools that have no right to be in a top 10,000 let alone a top 100. Also, it is missing many great institutions – especially from the Cape. As such, I must conclued that the list is so fatally flawed that I can’t rely on any of it…which is a pity for St Alban’s given its lofty perch at #15.
@Grasshopper: hmmm, spoken like someone who came outside of the top 50
@Scrum Doctor: Per Affies website, it was their 4ths v Westville’s 3rds, which is probably kind, as Affies 3rd team was at a different festival and I’m sure they sent more than just 15 players to said 3rd team festival, so I would guess that it was more like Affies 5ths (plus some 4ths) v Westville’s 3rds.
@Grasshopper: My sentiments exactly
@JPS_10: Stem 100 % saam met jou. My punt was net dat hy al vorige ondervinding op Craven week vlak het op skrumskakel, en behoort redelik maklik aan te pas.
It’s very male biased too, no Durban Girls College, Kingsmead College etc. I mean Westville at 72 is hogwash, they are at least top 20……far too many holes to trust this. It can be taken with a pinch of salt…
@Grasshopper: ah – missed that
@Scrum Doctor: But, Affies might have a weak 3rd side and they would have made up that side. A direct apples vs apples comparison would be on an interschools fixture where there are no squads and every boy must play…
@Roger: Pinetown, not Parktown…
@Grasshopper: Westville also had 1st team squad at Kersney festival so looks like fair game . Was actually a fine game with Affies having a kick in the last minute to win in which the poor guy struck the upright.
@Grasshopper: Parktown a dump? On what do you base that? Their rugby results?
@Roger: The ranking ‘methodology’ is not very clear.
I wouldnt be able to put together a top 5 in Africa, let alone a top 100, so I am last to speak.But this seems very subjective to me, and lacks detail.It must be tough to compile such a list (in my view impossible), but hey there it is.
@Grasshopper: Based on voter registration, so you have to get enough of your OBs to log in and make their mark. Not complaining too much that College is at 10, but it is based on very dodgy grounds.
@Scrum Doctor: Was it their full 2nd team, not sure on that as they would have had a squad of 30 at the Maritzburg festival….
@Roger: I saw that on Twitter, looks dodgy at best as it includes Pinetown, which is a complete dump these days. Herschel school for girls is not even there……
Just to start the fun and games again – remember Westville 2nds beat Affies 2nds ( 6-5) at the Vreheid festival this year . No pressure for our Glenwood friends !
hmmmm- check this out – needless to say, Bog and I are in full agreement with the learned people at this top publication
100 Best Secondary Schools in Africa
theafricaneconomist.com/100-best-secondary-schools-in-africa
@valke: Dawie het vandat hy op Affies is senter gespeel saam met Jurie. Sy grote gaan teen hom tel op senter in die toekoms.
Ek sou hom van die begin van die jaar op losskakel wou gesien het maar die probleem was dat daar nie ‘n stelskopper van formaat was nie en dat Dawie ‘n hele jaar nie rugby gespeel het nie. Eers was dit Dale en na sy besering Deon. Ivan het ontpop as die stelskopper wat seker ‘n cliche is want sy sukses rate is 56% tot op datum. Moet noem dat dit die eerste keer is dat Ivan pale toe skop.
Dawie het baie talent en gee 110%. Wie sal die tackle teen Grey vergeet! Ek glo dat hy kan ‘n sukses wees op skrumskakel.
@Klofie Pa: Dawie was skrumskakel gewees voor hy senter toe geskuif is.
Onthou hy het op laerskool agsteman gespeel. Hy is vir die Valke o/13 Craven week span skrumskakel toe geskuif toe Johan Labuschagne beseer is.
Het toe Affies toe gegaan as ‘n skrumskakel.
Ek dink hy is ‘n baie goeie speler.
@Woltrui: en het hy nie ontpop as n goeie 10 nie. jammer dawie was nie van die begin van seisoen daar gespeel nie! verstaan hy skuif 9 toe volgende jaar!! nie n slegte move nie!!
@beet: Nooo Mr Beet! Nothing for mahala for the Charkies. They must do their own homework. Sometimes its better to keep quiet ain’t it? Remember a certain game, let us say Affies Grey Bloem, for example. The coach pick a 12 for the first time at 10, for example. You then keep your trap shut and pray the opposition don’t pick it up, for example
Anyhow, you know the player and the All Black has got it spot on. Eduan was very good 8)
@ Vleis- I remember Hawley well. Thick set scrummie and all legs and so difficult to tackle. I think his first name was Robert. I also seem to remember that his name was brought up on Rugby 365 but there does not seem to be official confirmation of him playing for SA Schools . I think a little ” homework”
is in order here. Arthur would be so proud. 
It also seems I have underestimated the Affies backs in terms of their ability to control matters out wide and on counter attack. They have all the aces and in the 2nd half will just blow the opposition away having ground them into the turf in the first.
Affies 15 and 11 had great games on Saturday against College. At 17 all College were looking good and turned at half time with the wind behind them. Injuries to Ngwenya (Wing) and Jacobs (Lock) and Mazwi (hooker) proved to disrupt the flow. Some brilliant counter attacking from Affies from 3 missed touch kicks resulted in 3 tries. Game over. College had 5 attempts at mauling from lineouts close to the Affies line in the 2nd half and failed to capitalise. I think the scoreline was skewed by the counter attacking blitz but there also could have been a try or two that Affies threw away so cant complain too much. At the end of the day it was the need to throw numbers at the breakdown that cost College out wide. 4 huge Affies forwards basically weighed the same as the 8 College forwards.
My man of the match was Affies 15. College perhaps put too much emphasis on keeping Linde quiet and opened it up for the other backline players? Thats what good players create. Space for their team mates.
@star: One of the kids that my son plays against said that his dad played scrum half for SA schools and attended Westville – I’m guessing in the mid-to-late 80’s. I’ve met him a few times but I can’t remember his first name (old age
) – his surname is Hawley.
@Woltrui: Cmon Woltrui share a name. Who did so well in the Affies backline last week. The usual suspects are Ivan, Jurie and Eduan, so when you say “unknown” you have my full attention.
@beet: I suggest Glenwoods coach organize a business lunch with his Maritzburrow counterpart. Against Burrow another, unknown, backline player did all the damage. The young Mr Linde had a quiet game the past Saturday
If Affies played like the Bulls Mr Star’s advice would have carried some wheight. I tend to agree with Mr Tjops. Glenwood will have to keep it tight.
@beet: Bribe the ref. Not even that would help. Personally think Glenwood is in for a major wake up call
I tell you one thing that will go far to help GM`s cause is if Jurie Linde does not play. That kid is da bomb with ball in hand. He makes getting by defences look effortless. He just glides. I think his nickname amongst opponents must surely be “vervlakste” Linde coz of all the damage he causes on the scoreboard.
@star: Huh uh no set pieces Glenwood must keep it tight and tidy. Otherwise 50+
@Grasshopper: Whitewash will be Saturday. And of that 400 boys at least 150 must be Afrikaans?
Like I said somewhere else after the hiding you will fall back on history, you sure you are not Bog.
@Grasshopper
Vermaak wil be back as he had a bad case of flu at Craven week but is ok now and training hard to be on his post come Saturday.
@star: Mkize, never heard of him but well done to Westville. Agreed, very different styles but remember Affies have a good backline to with Jurie Linde and co…..I’m afraid my head says Affies by 25 or more…
@ Grassy- Tyler Fisher certainly made it(2011) and Mkize(prop)-2008. The team that wins on Saturday is the one that stamps their style of play early. Let those outside backs run wild with Coetzee and Mazibuko providing support and feeding on the left overs. Keep it in play for as long as possible.Affies strength will be slowing it down and working off their set pieces from good territorial positions. The strengths could not be more different if you tried. That is why it is intriguing as to which will emerge on top.
@star: agreed, the backline is a bit porous but Mazibuko and Coetzee cover them a lot. I fear without extra size from Joseph Potgieter at lock maybe the forwards are going to get steam rolled. Hopefully Vermaak is back too…
@star: It would have been 7 if it were not for serial cheater ‘peeping’ Tom. Here they are;
1) Derek La Marque (No8 and Captain) – 1979
2) Dennis Baronet (Centre) – 1985
3) Petros Mthula (prop) – 2001
4) Jayden Hill (lock) – 2004
5) Shaun Malton (hooker) – 2008
6) Fred Schnetler (lock) – 2009
SA Schools is a relatively new thing, I think started in 1974. We would have had plenty more if it was available for the 60 years prior to that.
Westville, 7? I have 5….
1) Errol Stewart (centre) – 1987
2) Sean Flanagan (flyhalf) – 1999
3) Chris Micklewood (fullback) – 2005
4) Dale Chadwick (prop) – 2007
5) Khaya Majola (flank)
Flanagan was complete rubbish, but the others were pretty good. Did Tyler Fisher make it, can’t remember. Fred Zeilanga probably would have made it as bad up to Goosen had he not got injured.
I am surprized that GW have only 6 SA School players. Westville have 7 and the trend definitely seems to be current with 5 coming in the last decade against GWs 2.
This GW team is great on attack but has defensive frailties. Also being inexperienced they can blow hot or cold. That is why they can beat Boishaai the one day and then lose to George Campbell on another . Which team will turn up on Saturday? Should be an intriguing battle.
@Grasshopper: Because Glenwood is a proud and ambitious school?
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@Tjoppa: haha, well these rooineks down on the coast have beaten Affies twice, home and away. It’s not a complete white wash. Only 2007 was a run away victory. I think our results against a massive all boys Afrikaans school is actually pretty good. Only 400 or so of our 1250 boys play rugby. I bet at least 600 play at Affies…
@Grasshopper: So that you never ever ever forget the ANGLO BOER WAR.
@BoishaaiPa: Never pick a fight you don’t think you can win.
@Greenwood: Yep, same scenario expected this weekend, maybe with 2 or 3 potential wins…..why do we play this fixture, we should be playing an equal strength KES, Jeppe or PBHS fixture
Grasshopper – OUCH !!!
@beet: What?!?! .. You just ask Greenblooded how bulletproof I can get when I have had a few diet Fantas. Ít took every ounce of my self-restraint to not try a Liverpool Kiss last night on an oke twice my size with a reputation for the rough stuff…… Noordvaal .. phooey
Glenwood vs Affies (at Glenwood) in 2011;
Glenwood Score Affies Score Result
1st 9 1st 18 L
2nd 3 2nd 21 L
3rd 3 3rd 14 L
4th 3 4th 46 L
5th 0 5th 29 L
6th 0 6th 22 L
7th 7 7th 19 L
16A 3 16A 26 L
16B 3 16B 11 L
16C 5 16C 24 L
16D 0 16D 28 L
16E 5 16E 22 L
15A 12 15A 0 W
15B 3 15B 24 L
15C 0 15C 7 L
15D 0 15D 31 L
15E 5 15E 22 L
14A 0 14A 31 L
14B 0 14B 29 L
14C 0 14C 15 L
14D 5 14D 29 L
14E 0 14E 63 L
14F 0 14F 56 L
Any improvement on that disaster would be good….
@Boishaaipa: Please, don’t view this as discrimination. Go back and see how it started. I think it is a nice “invention” created on this blog by bloggers – and I hope it continues well into the future.
@BoishaaiPa: There wud be no point to including thw Noordvaal Afr schools. No Natalian, even in a drunken state is going to argue that KZN is better than those guys. Its already about 3-0 in those matches this season alone.
@BoishaaiPa: I didn’t create the Grogper Cup or rules, point your fingers at Beet….
@Woltrui: No beer garden at Glenwood mate. I’m fast becoming a big fan of the PBHS policy of a blanket ban on alcohol at school but I’m still OK with a controlled entrance pub for adults that opens AFTER the game – this is what happens at Glenwood. You will also not see drinking in the stands at Glenwood. If it takes a security presence to make it happen then so be it – the alternate option is to put up with the unruly individuals who cannot handle it.
@Grasshopper: Discriminating against the Afrikaans schools I see!…or maybe it will just give KZN more of a chance ??..mmm I smell a rat!
@Woltrui:
you made me chuckle for a minute….thanks for the heads up.
@Muzi: Affies last home game was against Burrow Mr Muzi. Both Glenwood and the Anglo Boer war is away games. The matrics wont miss these games for all the money in the world
@Woltrui:
Affies can’t afford to be complacent Glenwood will be a very tough fixture….RG Snyman tweeted the other day he was playing his last home game for Affies…are the mtrics preparing for finals?
I know the coaches at Affies got a LOT of respect for Glenwood and see this game as a big challenge. The best for both teams. Can somebody please keep us updated on the scores, especially of the much anticipated u/14 clash (the beer garden can’t be open at 10h00 in the morning, can it?
)
Tjoppa
I think you are spot on , but if the Glenwood backs can click this might end up being closer than we think. Monnas also had a powerhouse pack and they simply out muscled GWD but
no cricket score in the end . Affies however by at least 10
@BoishaaiPa: The Grogper is English medium schools only, so Affies does not count. Also Glenwood played Monnas, Garsfontein etc but those don’t count. Now people will say Glenwood is Afrikaans now, but that is rubbish it’s 80% English. Lessons and exams are written in English, the 1st team and A team rugby sides just so happen to be very Afrikaans…
Does this match count for the Grogper cup?..If not..Why Not?..
Beet a pity Glenwood would also not add some oomph on the list. Glenwood is a respected opponent but I simply do not see that Glenwood have the forwards to stop Affies. In order to win Affies they have to be stopped in front. It will be close up to the last 20 minutes and then the floodgates will open.