Affies, the current number one ranked rugby school in South Africa scored eight tries as part of a 53-23 victory against Glenwood on Dixon’s field in Durban.
This game began as a start-stop affair in very warm conditions. Glenwood took advantage of Affies’ conceding penalties at regular intervals during the first 15 minutes to build up a useful 11-3 lead against the Witbulle. By that stage, the long shot outcome was that Glenwood had it in them to pull off an upset but the more realistic forecast must have been for a much closer game than it turned out to be in the end.
Glenwood were not starved of possession during this match. Neither were they pinned back in their own half for large chunks of the game. So the home team had ball to work with and they had field positions from which to launch attacks. It was execution that let them down. Glenwood broke the unwritten law of “don’t go into a game against a powerhouse cold”. Yes they had many games under the belt this season but the decision to sit out last week after a long July holiday break proved fatal. Comparing the overall quality of play of the Glenwood 2nd team, who had a match the weekend before and beat Affies 19-12 in the curtain-raiser, to that of their first team added weight to this point. Some of the problems the 1st XV experienced could have been ironed out in a warm-up game. Glenwood’s biggest letdown for this match appeared to be their inability to retain possession. A combination of unforced errors and poor ball security at tackle breakdowns generally handed the initiative back to Affies in the form of turnovers and there were numerous turnovers during this game. Once Affies had the ball, Glenwood struggled to reorganise their own defence and even to make meaningful tackles that would have slowed down or stop the Affies’ continuity.
It wasn’t all the negatives on Glenwood’s part. The hosts were often only as good as their opponents allowed them to be. Affies were sharp to respond to situations. They brought on pressure that broke up the Glenwood patterns. This alertness did not end on defence either. On attack, Affies’ decision-making was smart. Their counterattacking was outstanding and didn’t involve flinging the ball around wildly either. It was cool and calculated. When they saw the need to do so, the boot was introduced to get them downfield and turn the Glenwood pack around. In broken play the Witbulle are an extremely dangerous team for a number of reasons: they mixed things up a bit making their attacking patterns unpredictable, there was a good understanding amongst teammates, their handling was quality stuff, they were able to offload in tackles, they had speedy go-to players as well as powerful upper-body strength physical contact carriers and finally they used some forwards who are genuine ball players effectively to accomplish attacking missions. So skills were a premium for Affies on the day and they did not waste ball either. 43 unanswered points came in just 25 minutes!!!
During the first 15 minutes there was opportunity to shake heads a number of Affies players contributions. However from 11-3 down, they put their foot on the accelerator and from then onwards, it was difficult to find a weakest link. Many players stood out. The decision-making of unassuming flyhalf Dawie Venter and the astuteness of SA Schools hooker Francois Steyn rated highly but perhaps the player who contributed most individually to turning the game in the first half was inside centre Phillip Orpher who just seemed to be bang on the money with everything he did on attack and made a few important tackles as well.
Affies went into halftime 32-11 up. Captain Ivan van Zyl didn’t bring his corner kicking boots with him otherwise it might have been worse. He converted just 2/5 tries in the first half. First half tries included a hat trick scored by initial right wing Tiaan Schmulian who played most of the game on the left after a clash of heads ended starter Thys van Wyk’s match, Eduan Keyter weighed in with brilliant solo effort and mobile prop WP Eloff scored the fifth try.
Affies scored a further three tries in the second half with van Zyl achieving a 100% success record as Orpher scored twice and SA Schools centre Jurie Linde got the final one.
A very unpleasant off the ball incident caused a temporary stoppage to the game. It seemed to take a lot of fizz out of the visitors attacking play. Glenwood finished reasonably well, showing character by coming to terms with the technical issues that had haunted their performance during the first half or so and contributed to giving Affies such a big advantage over them. They added to Corne Vermaak’s first half try with tries by wing Morné Joubert and replacement no.8 Waelon Hippolite. Vermaak kicked all the extras. It ended 53-23 with Affies not adding to the scoreboard for the last 25 minutes of the match.
@beet: Blow by Blow worth it hey Beet
@GreenBlooded: The advent of Grade 11 Dances and the fact that they go to some boys matric dances as well … your wallet is stukkend before you know it. And forget about using the same dress a cuppola times .. skande. And my daughter was quite level-headed about this. Some of her friends were spilling R2500 on a dress for the boyfriends matric dance….
Breed boys – top left corner ..
@Gungets Tuft: Was about to say the same thing: wardrobe and war-paint from the age of 13 to 18 plus the matric dance dress could probably kit out an entire rugby team – togs, match and warmup kit, strapping and socks for a few seasons.
@star: Wrong bru. Wait till matric dances etc. Girls might be less expensive (not sure about that anyway), until they hit 17 years of age. They then put a permanent drain on your wallet
@ Grassy- re the girls I reckon it is a question of investment in sports. I think WBHS school fees are almost double that of WGHS. Clifton is the same with regards to M. Stella. The difference goes to coaching /facilities and proper equipment. Girls( haven’t you got a daughter) are definitely the cheaper option.
@beet – Ah – got it – Thank you Sir!
@WBHS Griffon: massive chip on your shoulder boet :-)
@Redblack White: I added a widget on the right at the bottom. It shows the most popular posts by comments. This one ranks at no.5 at the moment.
The debate about who was the KZN Tier – 1 champs for 2013 was the most popular specific post and if memory serves me correctly it was Gungets Tuft’s idea.
@Grasshopper: Still a far cry from “Hoerskool Glenwood”, also won’t hold it against them for not greeting you
@Parkie: Eish boet, jy is nuut hier en ek probeer jou help – want ons het al gesien wat sommiges ander noem oor hul name!
Bly jy ondersteun Menlo … en die ander Bul-skole.
@star: yes well done to all three guys winning medals tonight. My concern is the girls, where the hell are they? Our girls schools are far too academic orientated….
@ Grassy- Thanks for the congratulations on Westville winning the KZN golf champs. (By 21 shots from Kearsney and Hilton.) The Highway boys are having a good year so far. Also well done to Chad for winning gold in the 200M butterfly. Just wish he would focus more on the wall ahead rather than checking out the opposition.
@Grasshopper: English area .. hahaha .. my nephew (now at College – my B-I-L also a College man) and niece both went to Westville Primary, niece now in High School. She was dating a nice Westville boy, 1st team player, not overly English. I think you will find a nice 25% Afrikaans split there, 50% English and the other 25% among Zulu and Tamil …
No different to anywhere else.
Haha! Still waiting, sitting on the bonnet watching the boys train, unreliable friend who is always late. Just surprising how many Afrikaans kids there are in this very English area, their BE must have grown….still no good day sir….oh well….
@Grasshopper: I have also told my boy not to talk to okes who park alongside the road in Westville …..
Don’t let WBHS get you into a kick/bite/scratch fight. He will pull you down to his level and beat you with experience …
Or, as my pappy used to say, never wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty but the pig likes it.
Sitting in the rental car in Dunbar Road waiting for a mate to have a drink at Waxies, three sets of 2nd formers in shorts walk past speaking to each other in Afrikaans and no greeting, how times have changed at Westville. Seems they have also gone done the route of recruiting Afrikaans kids for rugby….
@Vleis: @Gungets Tuft: At first I thought he was The Beast using an alias…but not even he went this low when it came to Glenwood bashing
@WBHS Griffon: Clearly you are just stirring. It is very well known that there is no alcohol allowed at Glenwood. There is a security presence that sorts that out. So, with that one out the way, can you please confirm that you have EVER actually been to a match at Glenwood?
@Vleis: I think you have it on the head – I notice that WBHS only appears after normal school hours. When he arrives later it is probably because of detention.
Beet – perhaps we need an age verification on the site?
@beet – Beet – any idea what the record is on this blog for number of comments to a single post – This particular one I note has passed 300 – pretty passionate subject I guess!
Everyone else – please stop nailing the Glenwood okes – we have to play them this weekend!!
@WBHS Griffon: Mate, I honestly think that it would be best for all parties if you changed your name and avatar. As a neutral, I can honestly say that your comments are doing your alma mater (or current school?) a serious disservice.
Just a thought.
@oldschool: What an absolute load of BS, this is certainly very strange coming from a Kearsney supporter and in fact the complete opposite.
It is a well known fact that the general display of manners and respect towards visiting parents at Glenwood is well below par.
I was also shocked at the general lower class impression that I got from a lot of the Old Boys – a lot of very heavily tattooed individuals drinking and shouting abuse, not a pleasant experience. I guess this probably has a lot to do with the area and surroundings. Not a popular post, but, unfortunately the truth.
@McCulleys Workshop: Reining in parents is simple – they need to associate themselves with the good name of the school, not the boasting rights that come from temporary success on the field. Successful schools (or any organisation for that matter) are those that realise that the only thing that does not have (or should not have) ups and downs is the reputation of the school. Keep that constant and all the other problems resolve themselves. A below par rugby year (or 2 or 3) pales when you wish to look back at 100 years of reputation. I think it also goes hand-in-hand with the number of parents that are Old Boys. The very last thing I want is the new kid on the block to ruin the good name of the school where I have been associated for 40 years, and where my family has been for 103 years.
Nothing has made that more apparent to me than this year at College. Nothing like being at a Reunion where 1200 Old Boys, including 2 tables of 2012 Matrics, give a standing ovation to a matric of 1946. That’s the culture you talk about, and you are 100% right.
@oldschool: it was my comment you are referring to, and your assessment is exactly my experience over the last 20 years, however this year I escaped without seeing the usual on and off field antagonism. I have a kid in matric, who is friendly with Westville and Glenwood pupils, always interesting to get their perspective. But my view is that pressure to perform by coaches, whose professional careers and reputations are on line, adds fuel to the fire of overly aggressive play. A tough job to rein in parents though not impossible. It comes back to a win at any costs attitude vs instilling a particular culture within a school body.
Beet – this must be a record ! 323 hits including this one on this subject –
@oldschool: Thank you Sir. Glad it is noticed by the discerning SBR fan.
@star: The only reason I mentioned Pionier was to illustrate to your good friend WBHS Griffon, who seems to trot out the Northwood and Campbell losses at every opportunity, that his school also suffers shock results from time to time.
I also find your assessment of that game quite amusing – hard fields, hostile crowds and of course my personal favourite – a biased ref. What you don’t seem to mention is the REAL reason you guys lost that day. Some have maybe forgotten the little Friday night adventure in Vryheid but I have not. So please do not try and blame the fine Vryhied folk for something that your boys brought upon themselves.
When Glenwood lost to Campbell – I think most of us said “Well done Campbell” and offered no feeble excuses. This is an example you Westville okes might try and follow in future.
@oldschool: Agreed.
@Grasshopper: from an outsider point of view , regarding the tiff between Glenwood and Westville okes …..I would like to add something outside of sport ……general manners ……whenever I have been to a game at Glenwood I am greeted by most of the boys ….I have some good banter with the Glenwood parents and can honestly say that the games are played in a good spirit vs Kearsney …..unfortunately I cant say the same for Westville ….I find that the boys drop there heads when they walk past instead of greeting ….the parents are weirdly vocal from the sideline ….saying seriously offensive comments …..and the games are obviously tough for the KC lads but a fair amount of off all the ball stuff ……I have read on this blog from one of the MHS supporters that their experience at the last MHS /Ville game was infact quite pleasant ….so maybe things are changing ….but in my experience over the last 5 or so years i believe that Glenwood have got a lot of things spot on with regards producing well mannered young men !!
@star: banana skins happen, Glenwood had 2 in the past few years, either the opposition wanted it more or they were complacent. Well done to the underdog sides. Westville lost to Pioneer because the boys were hung over simple as that, it happens. We must look forward, but your mate Griffon loves to harp on about our 2 losses but forgets all the top school scalps eg Affies, Monnas, Grey Bloem, Waterkloof, Paarl Boys, Paul Roos etc something other KZN schools can’t claim. Well done to Westville for winning the KZN golf champs yesterday…
@GROOTKROKODIL: Nee ou maat, ek het net dogters, maar mis nie ‘n skolegame op ‘n Saterdag gedurende die seisoen nie. Jy sal aanhou kyk, selfs meer geniet omdat dat geen persoonlike betrokkendheid is nie. My pa is 70 en stap steeds elke Saterdag af na Wynberg se velde as hulle ‘n tiuswedstryd het, as die gogga gebyt het….
@star: Sun, you back. I have nominated you for the steering committee of the GROGPER CUP, it needs some definition – Grassy is sulking and wants to withdraw his trade mark and naming rights, because of the exclusion of his dual medium school, others want to promote GC to Tier 1 and MHS to Tier 2, St Albans want concession for the exclusion of any CW players, and GT wants to drink on his own at Firestones – and Doger has by and large done the tortoise (unlike Grassy).
Klofie Pa
Jammer my laptop is nog koud. Ek sal reel vir `n vol regsbank met `n koue of drie vir jou amnestie verhoor. Hoop RM sal dit ook maak. Ja dit is rof om te dink dat elke game wat ons nou speel die laaste kan wees. Wat die groot hartseer is, is dat dit my laaste seun is en dat daar niks soos skole rugby is nie. Na skool is alles so onpersoonlik. Ek sal maar vir Gummie Bear se Vlam moet ondersteun vir nog twee jaar en dalk `n graad agt kind moet aanneem om nog betrokke te bly.
Pioneer keeps being brought up but let us get some context. On the current Saschool rankings they are rated at 46. Allow me to give some others
Westville 12
GW -27
Boland Landbou- 49
KES – 57
MC – 59
GC – 90
NW – 98
and last and not least DHS -100
They are therefore ahead of numerous Tier 1 schools . While we can dispute these rankings, what is clear is that they are off the radar and when you play on those cold ,hard fields with a hostile crowd and potentially partisan ref , these things can happen . That year Westville U14A also lost. The spectators were incredibly intimidating. Tough place to play. Not so GC who had been beaten by Clifton and had the week before conceded 10 tries to Westville.
Klofie Pa
Ek sal reel vir
@GROOTKROKODIL: Ja een van ons gaan met n bleddie swaar gemoed daar instap. wonder wie? kan ons nie maar net gelykop speel nie!!
dis reg ek maak n draai maar wat RM abt weet ek nie. hoop hy daag op vir n koue een of drie. bloggers is maar bang om agter hul skuilname uit te klim.
@Djou: Ek ondersteun ALLE Blou Bul skole,of hulle nou spelers invoer of nie. As jy ‘n parkie met so iets walgliks assosieer,ys ek om te dink waar jou gedagtes heeldag moet wees,praat van in glashuis bly……………
@Tjoppa: Nee wat, jy is reg- drie maal uit 30+. Wat n prestasie? Jy kan werklik trots wees en met reg verklaar dat GCB twee mislukte seisoene gehad het. Of is dit maar net nog een van jou laatnag kommentare?
@WBHS Griffon: Still we beat you and that’s all that counts and our record over Westville is in black and white and even makes the Mercury to beat GW ,
@GreenBlooded: George Campbell and Northwood
@BOG: Nee wat ou Boggie was bevoorreg om Affies al 3 keer te kon sien waar hulle jul oorwin het. Dus dit raak nou afgesaag.
@Tjoppa: Twee mislukte seisoene ? Ek verseker jou dat dit slegs n paar GCB ondersteuners is, wie moontlik daarna kan verwys as “misluk” reeds agv van hulle rekord en hoe standaarde. Meeste skole, en ek sluit die een in wat jy met soveel entoesiasme steun, daarby in, sou Grey se rekord van verlede jaar en hierdie een, beskou as n uitstaande sukses. Maar ek het simpatie met jou. Jy kan slegs droom oor sulke sukses en sal dit seker nooit ervaar of verstaan nie.
KLOFIE PA RUGBYMAN
Nou net mooi lank genoeg stil gebly en na al julle bog gelees om op hoogte te bly van wat julle kwyt raak. Tussen ek en Gummie Bear weet ek nie wie is die grootste nie so hy kan nie op sy eie amnestie aan niemand gee sonder `n raads vergadering nie. Hy het vir my gese hy het gister lank met jou gepraat maar my niks gese van dat jy gekruip het vir amnestie nie. Ek sal dit op die agenda sit as ek weer telefonies met hom praat (dit gebeur +/- 2 keer per dag) maar ek kan nou al vir jou en Rugbyman se ons sal dit eers kan voltrek na die games op Saterdag in ons Ondersteuners klub.Hoop ons kan julle daar sien.
@GreenBlooded: classic!
@WBHS Griffon: Pionier.
@Parkie: As jy die skool ondersteun daar in die ooste van Pretoria, soos vermoed … wie in glashuise bly …
En ‘n parkie is ‘n plek waar omies probeer maatjies maak met seuntjies. Stel regtig voor jy verander jou naam – om toekomstige “skelwoorde” van ander bloggers te vermy.
@WBHS Griffon:
@BOG: Dit verklaar julle mislukte twee seisoene. Julle import nou net stabiele en gemiddelde spelers. Bog laat ek weer my wyse oupa aanhaal “Jou prestasie is nooit hoer as waarna jy streef nie”
@Green Hopper: As I said before, why don’t you zip it until you can beat all the tier 2 schools like Northwood and George Campbell on a regular basis before laying claim to being so great in KZN??
@Parkie: @jakes: As ek dit dan tot vervelens toe hier herhaal het, was dit absoluut sonder uitsondering in reaksie op die ou holtug geryde ou storietjies soos wat julle weer so mooi demonstreer. As die nr 13 herlokeer het, so what? Hy lyk vir my na n heel stabiele, gemiddelde speler en as ek my rugby wou verbeter, sou ek presies dieselfde gedoen het. Soos Andy Capastagno tydens die uitsending gese het Saterdag, die fasiliteite is onverbeterlik. Ek sal met die grootste plesier n ander deuntjie sing, sodra julle ophou met julle ou strontstorietjies. n Geseende dag vir julle twee here.
@ BOG- ek dink ‘n afgesaagde storietjie wat nou al miljoene kere deur jou genoem is die ou verswakte grey cherries 2de spannetjie wat Kempton park se eerstes nou glo verlede jaar geklop het. Ons het dit nou miljoene kere gelees, baie dankie vir jou bydrae. En wie se vir jou Kempton park se span wat die Beeld trofee en Waterkloof en Monnas geklop het in 2012 was nie verswak toe hulle Grey se derde’s volgens jou gespeel het nie?? Dis mos nou logies dat dit nie kan gebeur nie. Dink regtig jy moet ‘n ander deuntjie begin sing..
@BOG: Ja nee jys reg,dis al ‘n afgesaagde storie JS. Ek het hom seker maar verwar met Stephan Rautenbach wat tans Grey se 13 is. Jammer man. Sy ma was seker ‘n onderwyseres by Sentraal neem ek aan.
@Parkie: Daardie ou storietjie is al so afgesaag, maar ek weet natuurlik jy praat van JS, wie saam met sy ouers Bloem toe is. Ek het dit al vele kere genoem, maar vir jou inligting- sy ma het by Eunice skool gegee. Persoonlik dink ek dit is n baie natuurlike ding om te doen, of hoe dink jy? Ek dink sy hond en al die meubels is ook saam. Of dink jy hy moes in n tent agter gebly het? Ek wonder wat hulle sou gese het van my en vele ander, dekades gelede, wie ook uit daardie omgeweing , reeds in gr.8 Bloem toe is, sonder beurse- slegs liefde vir die skool. Daar is drie koshuise, nasionale monumente om seuns van oor die hele land en verder, te akkommodeer.
@Westers: Take care about this 3rd Term thing. Make it something different. The parents and the boys are tired, of the intensity of the training, the travel, all of it. Can’t speak for everyone, but those I spoke to are moeg.
Don’t envy Glenwood with Affies and GCB in term 3. College vs Glenwood should be fine, the boys are always good for that encounter.
@Westers: Sorry mate. Crediting Westville is not something that comes very naturally to Glenwood okes
In my defence, I did say “I think…..” 
@BOG: Dis ‘n baie goeie rekord moet ek bieg. Parkie is die verkleiningsvorm van park,die plek in ‘n stedelike gebied waar mens ontspan en die kinders kan speel.Nie ‘park your car’ soos jy miskien ook vermoed het nie. Daar is nogal baie van hulle in Port Elizabeth,die plek waar meeste spelers skoolgaan tot in gr.10 en dan vandaar af immigreer Bloemfontein toe, waar die werksgeleenthede skynbaar eindeloos is.
@GreenBlooded: Give us Westville guys a little credit. It was I that made the suggestion at the same time I was complaining that Westville do not play into the third term.
To add further, if the powers that be want to play in the last few weeks of June that is when games against the Tier 2 teams should be played and let 1sts, 2nds and A teams rest/train with KZN teams.
@Grasshopper: If the measure was KZN Schools reps – not sure how it translates to national reps, then College have had 353. Not really fair on Westville because College had 65 KZN reps before Westville even started. Stats from 1923.
@star: And by saying “last decade” we skip 2002 when College had 3. Has to be a cut-off somewhere I guess.
College stats have been screwed by a poor run from 2006 – 2011 when we lost more than we won, Glenwood was played 10, lost 9 in a row. The analysis has been done, evience of that shows in the Grade 11’s of this year (last years U16) and hopefully it will be on the up-and-up.
You are correct on one thing though, College will fight it in the middle of the pitch, never in the gutters. It is an uphill battle in the Burru, for many reasons already stated, but if there is a place to start in getting PMB back on course, it will be in College Road. Not boasting, just an Old Boy who is proud to find himself in the company of many principled, determined and focussed brothers and staff, all with the same goal.
@Parkie: Jou aanname dat “Grey bly is hulle speel nie teen Gim nie” is niks nuuts nie. Oor dekades, spring die woorde bang, reen, vrees, bly by my op. Dit is maar seker die gevolg as n span oor meer as n honderd jaar, n wenrekord van meer as 90 % handhaaf. Sover my kennis strek, was hulle nog nooit bang vir enige opposisie nie, maar terselfde tyd disrespekteer hulle nooit n opponent nie, ongeag wie dit mag wees. En hulle rekord spreek vanself. En daardie uitslae, op enige gegewe dag, kon net sovel anders gewees het. Is die naam “Parkie” afgelei van Parkstasie of Kemptonpark, wie n veswakte Grey Cherrie(2des) span verlede jaar gewen het?
@star: Well done to Westville, it should be the case with all the money and effort put into the programme. Especially with all the bursaries etc, if that improvement was not seen then I would be disappointed. If we both honest both Westville and Glenwood were average rugby schools prior to 2000, so both have improved drastically hence the animosity and rivalry. In terms of SA schools player comparison, it’s not really fair as this was only started in 1974. If it was available prior to then I think College would have 100 or more. Also, a SA school player or there could be down to individual brilliance rather than team brilliance…..not a great reflection on the standard of the team.
@Gungets- yes College has definitely been Westville’s bogey side( together with GW since 2000) but that should not detract from Westville’s strong performance against other KZN schools which was simply the point I was trying to make. Interestingly Westville’s 4 wins have all come from 2000 and so there is definitely a positive recent trend. Overall College have had 21/22 SA school reps which is 3 x Westville’s representation of 7. However in the last decade Westville have had 5 against College’s 1. That is a huge gearshift in terms of Westville’s progress .The positive is that College are being honest with the challenges from other schools and I am sure will come back fighting hard( but fair). Can only be good all round.
@Rugbyman: Dankie RM. Verstaan nou waar die tuisveld voordeel vandaan kom.
Nee manne. Ek weet julle sal nie die Affies laaities vloek. Het net iemand gesoek op wie ek die frustrasies kan uithaal.
@Woltrui:
Wollie jou ou doring… ten minste het jy vir iemand opgestaan vandag! Goed gedoen en kudos vir jou!!
RM jammer julle speel nie teen Kwaggas nie.
@Ploegskaar: ja nee… ek het ook niks vd affies laaities gese nie… sy bril is seker kas toe…. hy moet die groendraak aanvat maar ek dink hys bang vir haar…
@star: Since 2000 against College
Played 12, College Won 6, Drawn 2, Westville won 4.
Historically, Westville played 25, College won 19, Drawn 2, Westville won 4.
@jakes: Dit gaan n moerse game wees… albei puik spanne
@star: OK, fair dues but what are the overall stats that paints a fairer picture. Westville have only beaten Glenwood 3 times in 11 games….
@Ploegskaar:
@Woltrui: Nee goeiste kan nie glo Garsies moet al die pad afry om teen enige iemand anders as Kwaggas te speel nie!!! As ek hulle is onttrek ek liewer en reel ‘n game teen Affies
@Klofie Pa: Dink ek is sommer by default as ‘n Kapenaar hier ingesleep, beslis geen komentaar gelewer oor doe Affies/GW game nie. Het in elk geval geen probleem as hulle mekaar gebliksem het nie, deel van rugby en ‘n paar voltreffers bly maar mooi.
Beeld trofee by EG Jansen saterdag- EG Jansen teen Garsfontein gaan riller wees. Garsies was verwoestend teen Florida en groot waarskuwing gerig. GO EG JANSEN-wys die Pretorianers julle kan, sterkte vir die wedstryd. 0/15 en 0/16’s beide teen Waterkloof. Gaan hard wees. Sterkte ouens..
@Woltrui: hoop nie daai hond se ribbes is al af geskop nie… kom ek verduidelik hoe die beeld bepalings werk. Daar word gewerk op n prioriteitslys waar al die bonde gelys is… elke jaar skuif almal een af, behalwe die onderste bond op die lys wat dan weer boontoe skuif… jy het die tuisveld voordeel bo almal wat onder jou op die lys is… dis maar om dit so regverdig moontlik te maak. Huidiglik is die bulle 2de van onder af op die lys met net die leeus onder ons… volgende jaar is die bulle heel onder so dan is al die uitspeel games buite pretoria tensy blou bulle spanne teen mekaar speel… ek hoop ek was duidelik in my verduideliking…
@Woltrui: Trek nou asb. daai poeierblou jurk met die verwelkte madeliefie uit en vra vir Beet jou Affie baklei-trui terug (nie die wol een nie, sommer ‘n krimpelien een met ‘n ronde kraag uit die 70’s).
@ Grassy- how can you say I am incorrect when you do not refer back to what I said(Which was over the last decade Westville have out performed GW against 5 schools as follows:
Northwood 100%
DHS 100%
GC 100%
Kearsney 70%
Hilton 70%
@Woltrui: uuhmm jaa uu nee maar ooo….
is die “julle” die 4 here soos bo genoem die skuldiges?? klaar net uit voordat ek op jou begin skel en sal dan definitief nie die snaakse tekens en letters gebruik nie!!
@Grasshopper: Someone made a very good suggestion hear a few weeks back – think it was one of the ‘House okes. Stop all rugby 3 weeks from the end of term 2, let the okes concentrate on exams and let the bodies rest, give the Craven week team some attention without school fixtures interfering (they are normally doffies so don’t need to worry about exams) and let all schools play a few weeks in term 3. Who cares about jumping into sand-pits and running around a track?? We are talking real sport here.
Makes a lot of sense…… to me at least.
@Klofie Pa: @Rugbyman: @Ploegskaar: @Tjoppa: More More More here. Om te begin. Kan ek julle asb net vloek dat die see julle nie kan afwas. Glo ek sal dan beter voel. As ek weer n heilige moet hoor wat ‘n Affie laaitie ‘n Thug noem of iemand met n “inbred problem”, kan ek dalk n die hondjie doodskop. Julle klomp #@*%$ visvoete en *&5 %$# valie spanners. Julle is *&%3 &^%$# Pokkin *&%#@!!!
Daar is hy nou. Voel sommer klaar beter.
-Hoe kan Garsies teen Tygerberg speel?? Volgens alle aanduiding het Tygerberg ‘n swak seisoen. Vermoed Garsies gaan hulle tyd mors.
-As wenners van die Pretoria Beeld trofee afdeling behoort Kloof mos die voordeel van ‘n tuiswedstryd kry?? Maak nie regtig sin. Die tuisveld voordeel kan die verskil tussen wen of verloor beteken tussen twee sulke top skole.
-Moet erken ek is skoon jaloers op julle manne wat nou aan die Beeld trofee deelneem.
-My skoot in die donker. Kloof teen wenner van Garsies / Janies in finaal. Van die spanne wat ek dusver in die Beeld gesien het, volgens my die indrukwekkendste.
@Klofie Pa: Het hom so afgelaai van Stoopstats, weet die Kwagga/Noord-Kaap een is definitief steeds aan, weet nie of die ander intussen verander het nie. Self sou ek eerder Marlow teen Tygerberg speel en Garsies teen EG, soos hy nou staan gaan eg. twee ‘n moerse klap kry.
Following up on the results above, this would indicate that College and Kearsney have consistently been the toughest opposition for Glenwood locally….
@Klofie Pa: Nee ons speel lyk my nie teen die kwaggas nie…
@star: Since 2000;
Vs College – Played (25) – Won (12) – Lost (11) – Drawn (2) – 48% win rate
Vs DHS – Played (18) – Won (12) – Lost (5) – Drawn (1) – 67% win rate
Vs Westville – Played (11) – Won (8) – Lost (3) – 73% win rate
Vs Michaelhouse – Played (10) – Won (6) – Lost (3) – Drawn (1) – 60% win rate
Vs Kearsney – Played (13) – Won (7) – Lost (5) – Drawn (1) – 54% win rate
Vs Hilton – Played (9) – Won (6) – Lost (3) – 67% win rate
Vs Northwood – Played (8) – Won (7) – Lost (1) – 88% win rate
Vs George Campbell – Played (11) – Won (10) – Lost (1) – 91%
Total: Played (105) – Won (68) – Lost (32) – Drawn (5) – 65% win rate
OK, so not quite 70% but close and if you included other KZN opposition over the years it would be around 70%, not bad really when compared to pre 2000 when a normal season was 40%…
Beet how about you move the boere to another heading. They even boasting about girls now and the pour soles can’t even defend themselves against these trofey hunters!!
@Ploegskaar: uhm Tyger teen Garsies? is dit reg Ploeg? gehoop Kwagga/ Garsies.
@star: Incorrect, please show your results for the last ten years against KZN opposition, I will do the same. I can promise you Westville do not have a 70% record against all. Agreed on balance and I have said many times the Glenwood 1st team play too many festivals but third term rugby for 3 weeks is great, far better than soccer….ps agreed on the trade up, I had my fair share of Westville girls who then moved onto Westville boys…
@Rugbyman: LOL!! nee wat RM maar net n gespottery!! Klomp goeie ouens daar in Middelburg. Die grootgees en ek het saam grootgeword.
Btw so julle gaan af vir die game teen Kwaggas?? Geluk aan die ou wat dit gereel het. Dit gaan n grote wees. Hoop net hulle hardloop julle so dronk soos met ons nie!! Wat het een van die pa’s gese na die game… “ek is verbysterd”
So as julle wen kan ons se Waterkloof is beter as julle altwee? 8)
@Tjoppa: Bang vir niks ou maat…
A GW boy stole a Westville boy’s girlfriend? What nonsense. Girls invariably trade up
Now Westville are being attacked for not running around the country like rabid dogs and playing all and sundry. Surely that is the problem with GW’s program. It is called BALANCE.
I personally think that Westville have got it right. They have retained their traditional rivals( GW will be back next year if they stop fighting with everyone), play 2 competitive schools down the line in KES and PBHS and the first and A teams get taken out of their comfort zones at the festivals( 1 or 2) by the likes of Paul Roos/Gym ect.
And just for the record Westville have outperformed GW against the following schools in KZN over the last decade namely Hilton ,Kearsney , DHS ,Northwood and George Campbell. GW have House and College and the head to head. Also over the same period Westville have achieved double the SA school reps. What more to say?
@Parkie:
08:25 Bredasdorp vs Parel Vallei
09:35 Langenhoven High vs Vredendal
10:45 Nico Malan vs Diamantveld
11:55 Augsburg Gym vs Pearson
13:05 Outeniqua vs Noord-Kaap (op TV)
14:20 Marlow vs EG Jansen
15:30 Tygerberg vs Garsfontein
@Rugbyman: Nie gedog jy is die bang soort nie. Kry vir jou ‘n vark op leiband en dan net voor die groot wedstryd hardloop jy kaalgat oor die veld met die varkie in tou. Jy sal vereer word met ‘n standbeeld en alles sal vergewe wees. Ek dink.
@Tjoppa: die korrekte benaming is passion gap…
@Tjoppa@Klofie Pa: : die buitesenter is beseer en uit vir die hele jaar… moet darem net vir die rekord se dat ek NIE iets slegs van hts se seuns gese het nie… sal dit nooit doen nie… slegs n geskertsery oor die naam varkpark wat ek by my pelle wat self daar was gehoor het… ek het baie respek vir hts se rugby… ek is die ou wat vroeer die jaar op die blog juis vir booishaaipa aangevat het oor hulle nerens op sy rankings te siene was nie… dit nou net ter inligting en ter versagting… dalk kry ek amnestie…
@Rugbyman: Dan het jy ook ‘n “love gap”. Vra jou kinners hulle sal wiet wat dit mean.
@Tjoppa: As ek nie tanne het nie kan ek meer vrylik in die flats rondbeweeg… elke donker wolkie het n silwer randjie… tipies klofiepa… kom stir en dan verdwyn hy… ek vermoed hy het scrummy op sy dag gespeel…
@Parkie: Het beide spanne elk 2 keer sien speel ek dink Affies kortkop beter MAAR as daai buitesenter van Garsies met oranje tokse op sy kop is kan hy die verskil beteken.
@Rugbyman: Wat is coach tog met ‘n bek sonder tande? Kan ons asb Glenwood se video analis en kameraman organiseer. Dink die video van Rugbyman vs die varke van varkpan behoort nogal ‘n hit te wees. Dan sal hul besef Affies is eintlik goeie seuns.
@Tjoppa: Dankie vir jou support…
@Klofie Pa:wille games inderdaad… julle en ons gaan rerig tuwwe games he! Ek gaan myself maar vermom in klofie klere na jy my so gesplit het! Dan gaan ek met daai einste klofietrots pakkie van my langs die veld staan en gevleuelde woorde vir ref fluister om julle so bietjie te help? Julle het mos al die hulp nodig wat julle kan kry, of hoe?
@Klofie Pa: nee nee nee… ek het nie die naam uit gedink nie… paar van my pelle is oud rooi bulle wat in die 80s daar op skool was… Hulle het my gese dat die plekkie in daai jare bekend gestaan het as varkpark… so ek pleit om amnestie en vergifnis! Ek probeer maar my bes om hulle te ontsenu na hulle vir menlo so groot drag slae gegee het… hoe anders gaan ons manne n kans staan? dankie dat jy my nou innie k@k gedrop het
Weet iemand wat is die bepalings by Outeniqua se 90 ste vierings?
@Tjoppa: Tjop soos ek kan aflei bring hulle tjoep ook saam. So hy gaan of help om die tyres te ruil of hulle gaan hom sommer gebruik om die ding oor die 145 duim rim te kry!! Hoe ookal sy dit gaan n petalje wees. Tanne worry ons oor later!!
Ek stem Grey Cherries is baie goed.Garsies se o/16s ook,maar hulle speel ook nie teen Grey, Affies ,Gim ens nie. Ongelukkig tel net die eerste spanne wanneer dit saak maak.Laat die rekord vanself spreek,Grey verloor teen Affies en Outeniqua en kan bly wees hulle speel nie teen Gimmies of Garsies nie.
@Klofie Pa: Maar is hoog geagte lid van die blog kan jy seker amnestie vir Rugbyman reel. Ons moet in ag neem dat die Cape Flats invloed sy taalgebruik en gewoontes beinvloed. Al dan nie is jy moes die regte mechanic om na die pak slae sy bek weer volb link tanne te kry.
@Rugbyman: Julle jol teen EG. 4 wille games wat opkom die naweek in die Beeld!!!
@Rugbyman: hey jys in die poef oor daai naam….varkpark, varkpan, varkveld ou Rugbyman!! Gisteraand met n grootgees in HTS gepraat, en hy is nog groter as Grootkrokodil moet ek noem maar hulle is die bliksem in oor die naam wat jy hulle gegee het en ek toe ook gebruik het. Hoop nie jyt hul probeer ontsenu nie want daai manne wag vir jou!! Ek het amnestie gekry na bietjie gatkruip en beloftes van die veld skoonmaak so eks fine.
Blybaar n klomp trekkerspanners en dinge wat hulle saambring na jou o/16 game om jou uit te sort!!
@Ploegskaar: nee net ons 1stes is genooi… my o/16s het by die paarl gim week teen Outeniqua gespeel en hulle geklop… dalk is die kwaggas vies daaroor?
weet jy dalk teen wie speel garsies se 1stes?
@WBHS Griffon:what rubbish , have you not been watching what has been happening over the last few years, barring WBHS, complaining last year , we have consistently beaten you guys, and performance over the last few years , as well as win against Grey 2006 , close performances against Grey in 2008, beating Affies, 2008 . 2009 and the trend of getting better results over the last 6 – 7 years speak volumes, barring you whimpering and moaning about not keeping up with the Power house GW actually is , If any school in Natal is to be able to lay claim play these team it certainly isn’t WBHS and most certainly GW
@Rugbyman: Ek merk julle 1stes speel by Outeniqua se 90ste. Jou o16’s ook daar? Bellville se o16’s speel Marlow, sou ‘n ideale geleentheid vir julle wees om verlede jaar se blaps teen ‘n sg. minnow reg te stel, wat ‘n teleurstelling.
@kcob: I reckon 18 and in his first year on mud island. Obviously a Glenwood boy stole his girlfriend or something cos there is a deep dislike of anything Glenwood….
How old is this WBHS Griffon? 13,14?
@MyKroon: jislaaik die ouens kan bly wees die Cherries speel nie Beeld nie! Dink hulle sou wen!
@MyKroon: wow, 42-0! Our 2nds will have to do something special to keep the score down. Why was the Grey PE game not stopped? Ridiculous score…
@Grasshopper: Ek sien Parkie is te skaam om daai score te gee. Liefste Grasshopper. Ek hoop jy sit. Grey Cherries 42 Affies 0. Soos AffieOuer jou gemaan het!!!! Begin bid. Maar selfs dit gaan julle meskien nie help nie. Die afgelope naweek het die Cherries vir Grey High met 104-3 afgeransel!!!
@Westers: Yes, in response to Westville deciding to use their own age auditor after Glenwood got badly burnt. Also the Marne last second Sophie’s choice scenario, but it’s old ground lets move on now….I see all the schools are involved in pre-season waterpolo tourno’s…
@GREENMOM: For info, Westville did not play Glenwood this year because Glenwood declined to play us.
@Grasshopper: You need to take what WBHS Griffon is saying to you with a pinch of salt. Just to correct you on Westville not taking on Top 10 – we did play Paarl Gym and Outeniqua this year, two pretty useful sides. Don’t shoot from the hip when responding to WBHS Griffon.
@TJ: Upper Scumbilo just for my Griffon friend who has a superiority complex, living in Westville does not you a better person, I know lived on the Bluff for 12 years and 11 years in Westville….seen for myself…
@Grasshopper: My thoughts exactly, you are going to miss an epic on upper Maydon Wharf this wkend
@TJ:
@Grasshopper: Please leave us alone when you have a go at the Chesterville skates its bad enough that we have to play you lot.
@All Black: I used College as a comparison as you also play Affies, that is all….looking forward to the return fixture…
@Grasshopper: @WBHS Griffon: Please inform all why westville does not play GW! Lol! talk is so cheap…
@Roger: I only mentioned KES and College as these are the only schools who have all played Affies and we can make a kind of correlation on results, nothing in stone but gives some kind of indication of overall strength. It seems Glenwood overall against Affies have faired better than College and KES, that was my point…..nothing else…..Westville on the other hand don’t really test themselves against any top 10 opposition….
@WBHS Griffon: I think you will find over the past 10 years Glenwood have a 70% win rate over all KZN opposition with only College and Michaelhouse having close to a 50/50 ratio. Vs Westville it’s not even a competition, played about 10, won 8 or so and lost 2. Not sure why you have such a thing against Glenwood, it’s become an obsession for you. Never said College were our brother school but at least we have over 90 years of tradition with them, when did Westville start playing them, 1987! Just over 25 years, spring chicken stuff….also I think you will find anybody with a brain will say the Glenwood boys are some of the most respectful and polite boys in the province.
@Grasshopper: Don’t make out as if College are like your brother school so you can try and get your mates to back you up, you “ruffians from the harbour” will never have the pride, manners and reputation that College has, dream on!
@WBHS Griffon: @Grasshopper: heh – leave KES out of your handbag stuff – Westville were due a win against them – 1st win in 8 attempts I believe. Even a broken clock is right once a day
@Grasshopper: Lol, aahh the truth hurts, so easy to rattle your cage!
Good luck against College, Westville gave them 50 on Goldstones remember, so should be an easy win for you guys, right? Oh, and the College flu story that weekend is very old might I remind you, so don’t even try! Big presure, hope you don’t fall flat on your face again against the underdogs.
As I said, it’s nice to be able to talk and think big, but, zip it until you can beat everyone in KZN, including the likes of George Campbell.
Remind me again, where are you ranked nationally this year?
@Grasshopper: Please leave College out of your arguments.
@WBHS Griffon: yet another attack on Glenwood, it’s do predictable from you. Look at the results above better than KES and College, yet Westville get all excited about beating KES. What happened to Westville last year against Grey Bloem, a walk over. Boet, only open your mouth when Westville actually beats a top 10 school….the George Campbell jibe is old now, move on…..enjoy the soccer this weekend….
Moving right along……….
Glenwood vs College this weekend in Durban. The return match of that epic encounter on 150th Reunion day. I cannot be possible to eclipse that contest in the same season – specially at the end of a long and tiring season and 1 week after both schools suffered home losses to Pretoria schools. However, College will be looking to rectify that narrow loss and Glenwood will be looking for the double. I guess it will come down to who wants it more on the day.
@WBHS Griffon: When it comes to big fixtures there are those that take them and those that avoid them.
Glenwood again biting off more than they can chew by thinking they can run with the big dogs in SA schools rugby.
Might be a good idea to be able to beat everyone in KZN on a regular basis before wanting fixtures against top 5 schools all the time just so you can boost your ranking! It’s going to get to a point where Grey Bloem and other regular top schools start to decline the offer if the games are always uncompetitive. George Campbell is a far cry from Affies believe me!
@AffieOuer: yep, heard they are on par with their 1st team, maybe even better. What was the score? Keen to see how good the Cherries are. Maybe top 10 in SA?
Dis so goed om te vra hoe het ons o/14 landloopspan gedoen. Dit het geen effek op die feit dat GW 2 helse pakke gekry het teen die Blou Bul manne nie. Gryp na strooihalms dink ek.
O ok,dan kan ek nie kommentaar lewer daarop nie. Jammer Grasspringer!
Just not to create confusion – my comment related to Mr @Grasshopper’s question actually refers to Affie’s 2nd team performance on the day against Grey.
Gits ou @Parkie mnr Groensprinkaan het so pas teruggeslaan (‘n lae hou). Sien uit na jou antw, hehe.
Nee goeiste Mr @Grasshopper did you have to ask THAT question??? but I can tell you …NOT GOOD…I would not repeat the score…it is fair to say… “the same as all the other schools”. Brace yourself, you will also be on the receiving end of that one! DAAI BOERTJIES IS WILD!!! Translated it means…start praying…
My second team did not play against them.Lucky for them!
@Parkie: just a general question, how did your 2nd team go against Grey Bloem Cherries?
Glenwood got wacked twice this year by Blue Bulls schools,first Garsies and now Affies. I think all this complaining is sour grapes.
I spoke to one of the Affie coaches after the u14 game.One of GW coaches were complaining that the Affies players stepped on the GW players feet.Bwahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Klofie Pa: Man dis hoe ek my vriende geniet – tonne SPORTMANGEES!
Wat die ander noot betref – julle moet dalk maar weer soos die groot groen masjien begin werf, vra mnr Groensprinkaan en mev Groen Mamba uit vir ete en dan ruil julle ‘n paar idees uit. Bly net weg van die “Affie onderwerp”, jy mag dalk dan met spysverteringsprobleme weg stap pleks van raad
@GreenBlooded: haha so NOW you want to be friends!
@Grasshopper – I take it from that comment that you did not attend Saterday’s matches?
@AffieOuer: Epic game gewees ou maat!! Niks meer niks minder gevra tussen die 2 spanne!! net soos dit hoort!!
so op n ander noot,
Kloof dink ek het nie een game gewen teen julle nie!! GW is ons voor daar!!
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@Woltrui: I some how find it hard to believe that the Glenwood players were intimidating Affies and causing, we are almost always smaller and shorter than the behemoths from up north. I don’t even think we could pick up the Affies props let alone spear tackle them…
@AffieOuer: What’s a try between friends?
@GreenBlooded: the score of 0/15A is incorrect. It was 24-0 not 19-0. I confirmed the score before responding, please ask the GW guys to correct their records?
@noordwes: At the end of the season there were probably plenty of refs available but during peak season there are hardly enough refs to do all the club and school matches on a Saturday without adding in school AR’s to the already loaded schedule. For this reason, Durban Referees do not appoint AR’s to school matches as a policy. I understand that these guys were candidates – i.e. guys that have done the course and gaining experience. If they were empowered or not – I’m not sure. Either way, players need to take responsibility for their behaviour. You cannot excuse foul play due to lack of policemen on the sideline.
@GreenBlooded: No I don’t blame the ref I blame the lack of refs as linesmen.
@noordwes: Thank the Lord for these specimens called refs. Give’s us something to blame all our shortcomings on. Without them we may just have to take responsibility for our own actions as coaches/players/spectators.
@noordwes: Ek dink jy som die situasie 100% op!
@Klofie Pa: haha ou vriend jy stook lekker! Ek kan darem sê hier in Pta kan ons uitdeel en dit vat! Daar was seker nog nie ‘n tawwer en meer fisiese game as die een teen Kloof nie, maar dit was lekkkkeeeer en agterna het ons saam vleis gebraai…ai dis lekker in die ou Transvaal
Other than a few big scores, a lot of the matches were relatively competitive. This is very encouraging for Glenwood – that we can compete down the line against a school like Affies. Shows that we are not just an “A” team school like many claim. U14A match was quite surprising – thought we would get than one.
Ek het albei spanne al by verskeie geleenthede sien speel en by al die geleenthede was daar die gewone stamp en pluk.Nie een keer was daar doelgerigte vuilspel nie.So die enigste afleiding wat ek kan maak is dat die skeidsregter en lynregters nie hulle werk gedoen het nie.Ek sien dat daar nie unie lynregters was nie so Glenwood moet die blaam dra as daar insidente was.
Ek glo albei skoolhoofde sal nie toelaat dat n paar seuns wat vyf jaar in die skool deurbring, n skool se tradisies en reputasies vernietig met boewery op die veld nie.
Ek moet se dat van die bloggers dit moontlik meer regkry as wat die eerste spanne dit reggekry het.
@JPS_10: The 1996 team was no slouch, but also not on eof College’s best. They lost to KES (10-13) and DHS (3-17, with the return being 23-5 at Goldstones) that year. Drew against House.
It is no secret that College has struggled to attract talent in the last while. The city is one in decline and other schools have upped their recruitment game. The impression that private schools have more to offer than government schools has lead to many of the talented boys moving to the likes of Kearsney/Hilton/House, and others to Durban where the jobs are.
They have had good years since then (1997 lost only to Grey College 16-28 and Affies 16-21), 2000 only to GCB (beat Affies 16-10), Paul Roos and GW, 2001 Affies 5-20 and GCB 14-17. Beat Affies in 2006 as well, but were well beaten by just about everyone else.
College have had their “down”, I think this year has been that rebuilding year after last year which was one of those “what could have been” years with so many close games. Next year shows great promise and the years after that will be College back to their competitive best. We will keep the fixtures, add GCB, and watch this space, this is where you heard it first!
Good to see sanity is prevailing after some negative and I might say entertaining comments.
Some good positive remarks coming through. And guess what next year GW will be up in P-town for some more rugby and entertainment!!
Keep it up!!
Full set of scores from Saturday
1ST 23 1ST 53 LOST
2ND 19 2ND 12 WON
3RD 11 3RD 9 WON
4TH 29 4TH 19 WON
5TH 13 5TH 24 LOST
6TH 10 6TH 0 WON
7TH 17 7TH 7 WON
8TH 0 8TH 21 LOST
16A 12 16A 46 LOST
16B 8 16B 31 LOST
16C 0 16C 60 LOST
16D 7 16D 45 LOST
16E 3 16E 49 LOST
15A 0 15A 19 LOST
15B 12 15B 34 LOST
15C 0 15C 40 LOST
15D 0 15D 53 LOST
15E 3 15E 47 LOST
15F 26 15F 19 WON
14A 0 14A 27 LOST
14B 21 14B 17 WON
14C 7 14C 14 LOST
14D 8 14D 32 LOST
14E 7 14E 31 LOST
14F 0 14F 64 LOST
As for hosting – we hosted two gentlemen from Pretoria Boys High this weekend and it was superb. In fact, the mother of one of the boys contacted my wife yesterday to thank us for our hospitality, and it appears after the 1/2 hour phone call that a new friendship has been born. Let’s not forget what these exchanges are all about. I have mentioned this before on a different post, these are schoolboys playing schoolboy rugby, we should really tone it down and not take it so seriously. Saw it again on Saturday, both College and PBHS played hard, very physical, and sometimes heated – but after the whistle there is mutual respect and the prospect of the next outing – that’s what it is all about!!
@Grasshopper – Whilst College lost 26 out of 26 games on their away trip to Pretoria – ask any of the players if they would rather drop this for an easier fixture – The answer will be an emphatic NO
Kids don’t learn a helluva lot when they win all the time – they learn so much more when they lose on the odd occasion. I encourage you to read an article by Keith Richardson, Wynberg Boys headmaster (sorry the link below is to where I first read it)
http://www.maritzburgcollege.org.za/culture/41-uncategorised/380-school-sport-by-mr-keith-richardson
Ek het gehoor dit was Jocka en Kobus gewees wat “fight fight” geskree het saam met die groen moeder!!
@Tjoppa: Thank you for telling them, why is everybody fighting with Glenwood. The same happened last year against Affies when Glenwoord played them. But as they say ” Die hoogste bome kry die meeste wind”.
@Amalekite: You say Affies played dirty but why did the Glenwood player strangled the the Affie boy and step on Morne Joubert arm at the first place. You were not on the field and in the scrums what happened in there you don’e know so please be carefull what you say about dirty play. If they give then they must receive, and why did Affies play only dirty against Glenwood. There was no such incidents against one of the other schools they play.
@Woltrui: I will need to take this up with my informants – some of them very neutral. First such take on the incident I have heard and indeed not something that Glenwood is known for – other than isolated incidents which happen everywhere and in all situations. Was it boys or parents which you observed? I doubt it was boys – there is the Pinheiro factor at Glenwood which all but prevents it.
Anyhow – through all the hanna-hanna I clearly forgot to congratulate you guys on your fine wins in most of the matches. Even our much celebrated U14A team got klapped. So well done Affies on the rugby. Pity it had a sour taste on it.
@Grasshopper: For what ever reason the standard of rugby at MC is no longer what it was before. Affies played MC for the first time in 1996 at MC. The team that is regarded as the best ever Affie 1st team beat MC by a narrow margin of 12 – 9. The 1996 team of Affies was the number 1 ranked team in SA with MC ranked 6th.
Unfortunately I don’t have the details but I recall that on the day in 1996 MC won more games than they lost.
….. and thus provoking the Glenwood kids to fight.
@GreenBlooded: No Mr Greenblooded. I am not saying kids were not hosted well. Kids were verbally abused by spectators.
On all accounts Glenwoods players overstepped the accepted boundaries of physical play and thus initiated the fight. Also not only at first team level. Same thing happened at 2 and 3rd team level. Players being tipped tackled without any action from referees to protect the players. Is it true that some part of the spectators were shouting “fight fight fight” and thus
Another interesting yarn regarding hosting:
Summer Fields is an English School that tours SA every 2 years. I had the pleasure of hosting a few of their fine young men 2 years ago and reffed one of their matches earlier this year. Their coach/manager stated that this will in all likelihood be the last time they tour – breaking a tradition going back 14 years. The reason is that the Home Office in the UK now requires a full background check on hosts if boys are to be billeted with opposition teams. This is quite impossible to arrange given the timeframes involved so the alternative is to stay in hotels for the duration of the tour – the cost of which would be prohibitive. Sad but true. Can see this becoming an issue here one day too. It will only take one unfortunate incident……..
@Woltrui: I am sure that any school that gets billeted with opposition have some anecdotal stories to tell about poor conditions. Hell – if your lighty stayed with Gungets Tuft he would have to wrestle with the family mutt for some bed-space. Sorry if some of your boys were not hosted well or treated with disrespect but I am sure the incidents were isolated as they always are. Please lodge your complaints to Glenwood and I can assure you they will be dealt with. Glenwood prides itself on it’s hospitality to visitors.
@Gungets Tuft: Staying on a military base?? Hell I didn’t know the Guptas had kids at Glenwood?
@Woltrui: I am quite sure that the Glenwood coaches encourage a physical game. It is rugby after all. Are you saying that Glenwood were the instigators on Saturday?
@Gungets Tuft: i agree, i think maybe it has more to do with co ordination of the boys , as i am sure you are awer its a mamoth task to do
@Green Hopper: I hear on the breeze that Glenwood are not going to go the hosting route when they travel to Chunnisbeg in future, that they will be organising a group hosting at a military base or something?
I can see some benefits from a spanbou perspective, but think that the boys get some nice life skills from having to fit in with host families, even if only for the short stay.
@GreenBlooded: Mr Greenblooded there is definitely a difference of opinion on who is playing dirty. Glenwoods Coaches apparently motivate the players to play an extremely physical game against Affies. Some kids obviously don’t know the difference between a physical game and playing dirty.
For an interschool to take place their must be a certain value in it for both schools. Kids, visitors and coaches must be treated with respect. The perception is that our kids and some coaches were not treated with respect.
No Mr Greenblooded. There is no pattern that Affies is playing dirty. Our kids get severely punished when they play dirty. There is a pattern on off the ball issues when Affies play at Glenwood though.
Anyhow Mr Greenblooded. Thank you for giving us another chance. I am sure Affies management is thrilled to hear that bit of kind news.
@Grasshopper:if you do the same , over the last 6 years with Grey and Affies , run the trend graph and you will see each year there is improvement, thus, I think the fixture is a good , one,
I agree that the game after the holiday is somewhat hard to come back and play good schools such as Affies (and yes I say good school) and then two weeks later Grey and in-between College, and all we have as a warm up is against KZN Development
Whilst it is what it is, the momentum of the 2nd term is lost going into the 3rd term as well as the possible issue of travel and injuries with these 3 games on consecutive weekends, even us rocket scientist cane see that this is a hard task for professionals let along school boys, so the rugby coaches and sports directors, must be blind to the fact
I have always advocated that the teams need to build up from 1st term playing weaker to stronger sides , starting you season off against strong sides , injuries happen , that players then need to carry the whole season, its about conditioning , also remember two weeks before the end of the 2nd term , boys are studying for exams etc , so conditioning starts to go and concentration and game time falls
Then if you intend to look into the 3rd term, you need to look at moving away from teams and go into squads for all 5 open teams , and fro A – D teams in all other age groups ,
I find it ridiculous that you have players say in the 2nd team, playing a full game, and then cooling down and then having to come on with 15 minutes to go for the 1st team, utter madness
This will give each player who is playing in the 2nd term the opportunity to look forward to playing as possible higher side going into the 3rd term, it also gives depth and motivation, this tiem of the season is crunch time, and the last three games if going to be the hardest , be better prepared is all I say , and I think this is the way to do it
@Grasshopper: greta , GW are improving and this is good, i wa sthere when the scores where 100 plus and to leave 5 years later with close scores , do last years review and you will see
@Parkie: yes , they did that last time, again I say , its SE , that promots this and i am anti thisfor many reasons
@Woltrui: actually treated as well as we are towards you guys when you come down here, all the same actually , I am always treated well amongst my Afrikaans brothers , I fight more with my English mates
College vs Affies
Played: 26
College won: 0
Affies won: 26
Points for College: 106
Points for Affies: 995
Avg score: 4-38
Avg score difference: 34
Dismal day for College. If they start to play Grey Bloem again, like Glenwood they going to get 1000 points plus especially in Bloem…..it’s a mismatch really….
Comparing other schools vs Affies;
KES vs Affies
Played: 25
KES won: 2
KES lost: 23
Points for KES: 175
Points for Affies: 960
Avg score: 7-38
Avg score difference: 31
Also 7th and 8th teams were staggered. Granted this was away at Affies so much tougher, so the comparison with College results vs Affies would be better….although KZN teams battle at altitude and after long travels…
Ouens, Affies speel fisiese rugby en klaar! Daar is ‘n verskil tussen fisies en vuil. Indien daar getuienis is van vuil spel kan ek julle verseker die skool dit hard en duidelik met die betrokke individue sal aanspreek net soos ek seker is GW sal doen. Mev @Greenmom ek is seker dat jy sal saamstem, een swaeltjie maak nie die swerm nie – beide GW en Affies het ‘n oulike klomp seuns en om die skole se karakters af te takel oor individue sou onregverdig wees teenoor die groter skool. Kom ons geniet nou mekaar se geselskap in goeie gees en stel vertroue in die dissipline stelsels van beide skole
@Parkie: Yep, and teams like Garsfontein go scouting in the Cape, it part and parcel at grade 8 level where it’s all fair in love and war….can’t see why Pretoria kids would say no to Durban…
@Parkie: Here are the full set of results vs Affies; http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/sites/default/files/vs%20Affies_0.pdf
Firstly, we do not do ‘dream’ teams we do Glenwood teams. Our boys had not played a competitive match for a few weeks so were not prepared but Affies were the better side in most cases, well done.
Played: 25
Won: 7 (4 more than I expected)
lost: 18
Points for: 236
Points against: 773
Avg score: 9-31
Avg points difference: 22
This is a vast improvement from previous years. 10 years ago Affies would have scored over 1000 points on the day and not lost a game. Well done Glenwood in improving the depth and winning 5 out of the 8 open games, including the 2nds!! Bodes well for the fixture against College and also an improvement vs Grey Bloem. Go Green!! I think KES and College faired far worse than Glenwood across the board…
@Greenhopper, ha ha my friend. No poaching of Afrikaans boys? GW went around Pretoria schools pitching for the gr.7 pupils. They even have a certain person who has a child in GW’s first team scouting in Pta and gets R500- a head.
@Knersus: Wonder hoe voel die manne van Noord-Kaap wat oorspronklik genooi is, toe opsy geskuif is en soos ‘n boody-call weer nader getrek is toe Affies deurval. Sies.
@McCulleys Workshop: Only interested in escalations.
@Woltrui: Not really the issue – Glenwood are fantastic hosts. Ask anyone. I’m quite sure it is the same at Affies – my son was there last weekend and spoke highly of the experience.
What IS at issue is a pattern of behaviour that Affies seem to resort of off-the-ball play when they come to Durban. I witnessed it first hand on the last visit 2 years ago and now again we have the same thing. Perhaps it is the salt air that causes it or perhaps the parents need a little more entertainment value than a convincing win rugbywise to justify the trip – I don’t know but the same thing twice in a row gets the mental gears turning. If Affies took it seriously last time, I doubt it would have happened again this time. Let’s give them another chance – if it happens again in 2015 then I think we can safely assume that boxing is part of the tour package.
@Green Hopper: Good morning dear Mr GreenHopper. How are you souties this good morning?
I want to ask you a question dear friend. When Glenwood come to Pretoria. How does the Dutchies receive you here? Have your boys ever felt unwelcome at Affies? have your children ever not been treated with the utmost of respect?
Have a good day Sir.
I heard that Glenwoods dream teams u/14 and u/15’s got big hidings from Affies.Maybe that started the whole anti Affies campaign?
@Green Hopper: yep, been to one of these games, much prefer games against traditional opponents, but that is just me….
Here lies the “solution”
Go to theafricaneconomist.com
@ Grassy , you have been calling for the withdrawal of this fixture, have you ever been to one????? Have a look at the records over the 5 years and see the improvement, they are not the complete miss match you think they are
The Game against Grey, more than likely needs to be reviewed and it appears that this is the case,
My condoning , is more about the off the ball incidents and attitude and temperament going onto the game, I agree with Beet , there should have been adults society touch judges, I am sure they ref 3rd and 2nd team games any way as well as u16 A games
Again Beet is right , we have issues with DHS , Westville and College, here we don’t play because of poaching players etc,
I disagree with the comment that GW poaches Afrikaans boys into the school, I think that they have just enrolled as a natural course , I also agree that a home and away game , between the schools in KZN would be more pragmatic and build support , Look at the Hilton /Michael house encounters , big affairs and return matches
Greenblood is correct , two years ago , the game was on video , what happened, again this year its on video , let’s see what happened again, also , use it to name and shame the parents , or supporters , it done like this elsewhere and could curd the behaviours
@Knersus: ou maat, ek verseker jou, ons is saam met julle bly vir daai insluitings! Nou kyk ons vorentoe en droom oor die volgende geleentheid om teen mekaar te speel. Dis beslis nie die eerste of laaste goeie 1 ste span wat die kwaggas sal he nie…till we meet again (en ek hoop dis sommer gou)!
Ai tog
soos ek gese het…groen mamba… En nou verwys ek RERIG nie na n shooter nie…on second thoughts dit is dalk wat jy nodig het om hier aan te hou lees, hoe lyk dit @klofiepa, @woltrui wil julle my join?
@tjoppa – Kyk na kommentaar van Affies – miskien moet julle hoof kommentaar lewer oor waarom daar eers deur julle aanvaar is om Kwaggas te speel en heelwat later te kanselleer met borg redes. Kwaggas het aangebied om vervoerkostes te dek, maar ongelukkig het Affies dit van die hand gewys. Dit wil vir my voorkom asof Affieouer ook hiervan bewus was.Ek dink nie jy besef hoe graag die seuns teen Affies wou speel nie.
@ Affie ouer – Die 1 ste van Kwaggas van 2013 was uitsonderlike span en hulle droom was om teen spanne soos Affies, Grey Bloem te speel wie hulle nie normaalweg speel nie. Kwaggas het 2 keer hierdie jaar Durban toe gery met ‘n bus om teen hierdie spanne te speel.
Ons kinders skryf ook rekord eksamens en Outeniqua is baie trots op hulle goeie akademiese uitslae. Vanaf 4 Augustus gaan julle SA spelers in elk geval nie in die skool wees nie, want hulle is vir 2 weke betrokke by die SA Skolespan.
Wanneer laas het hierdie twee skole teen mekaar gespeel, ek dink net dit was ‘n gulde geleentheid? Dit is werklik jammer dat die wedstryd nie gaan plaasvind nie. Die seuns gaan 2013 nie onthou as die jaar wat SWD die Blou Bulle en die OP op Cravenweek gewen het nie, maar gaan die jaar onthou as die een wat hulle die GROOT EEN – GREY BLOEM – gewen het. Die seuns is teleurgesteld dat hulle nie teen Affies kon speel nie.
Ons is ongelooflik trots op die Kwaggas wat dit reggekry het om in 2013 4 SA SKolespelers te he!
Ploeg, very humorous retort, that ended the kuk oorlog.
@Klofie Pa: varkpark… nie varkveld nie… jy moet oplet innie klas
@Klofie Pa: Dis jammer dat die meeste Affies mense blykbaar dink alle mense in NATAL verstaan nie Afrikaans nie. Uit die paviljoen het van die Afffies ouers se aanmerkings so gestink dat hul seuns se vuilspel soos sondagskool piekniek klink. Maklik om te verstaan waarom sommige op die veld doen wat hul done.
Skrap die spul vuil Affies van die lys. Hul verdien nie ordentlike teenstander soos GW nie.
Soort soek soort.
Meng met die semels dan word jy net so …etc. etc. ens.
Beter om ‘n softy genoem te word as ‘n agterlike baklier( thug) en semel …
Ons bly eerder weg…. en bly skoon.
Almal is nie so nie….en wil NOOIT so laag wees nie.
@Grey Brak: Regarding Glenwood, this isn’t something I just made. It’s info I got from a source I’d like to regard as reliable however things may have changed so I have asked him to go back and confirm this, I was told a number of months ago that Glenwood and Selborne would be cut from the Grey schedule. This seemed to be in line with a blog from Scheepers talking about better balance for the boys which I translated as less traveling around = less rugby. When I was told by two other people a few weeks back that College had come on board it seemed just natural to assume that Glenwood had been dropped in favour of College. So perhaps the question is: was there a change in heart regarding Glenwood.
dammit ek wil nog fight en skel en nou als verby!!
Tjoppa het windsindroom, Affieouer se tuxedo is te styf om sy boeb, Wollie het geretreat en Rugbyman jaag die kinners op die Cape flats en HTS is besig om nog meer varke los te laat op die sg. “varkveld”!! Dan is Greenmom seker om n dik Durbuncurry te kook vir haar disadvandaged kind wat gelukkig die aanslag van Affie se squads oorleef het..,,
Lekker dag gewees saam met die Bloggers!!
Maandag begin ons maar net weer!!
@Woltrui: n Wonderlike voorreg om diens te kan doen, net een ding – ek is nie n “U” nie net n trotse Affie ouer wat graag die gemeenskap ingelig hou van die aksie soos dit gebeur (net tellings en dalk melding van n geel kaart)
@AffieOuer: Aaaahhh!!!! Ek volg U slaafs op twitter AffieOuer! Het juis Saterdag gewonder hoe ek U kan bedank(my kennis tov twitter strek slegs tot die ontvang van boodskappe). Baie baie dankie vir U moeite. Word BAIE waardeur.
@Beet @Grasshopper: The talk of Grey Bloem “getting rid” of Glenwood as an annual fixture from next year is complete rubbish. Don’t know where these rumours have come from? A prelimanary fixture list for next year has already been drawn up and Glenwood is definitely included.
Grey have just added Maritzburg College to their ever increasing fixture list against top opposition. The fact that College can provide +- 28 teams to compete is another deciding factor.
@Woltrui: het gesien jy het vroeer die week gewonder waar die tellings beskikbaar sou wees. Nie seker of jy n twitter handle het nie maar ek tweet live elke Sa onder @AffieOuer as jy sou belangstel. Die volledige tellings is ook op Affies se webwerf beskikbaar so vd Maandag of Dinsdag af onder rugby uitslae
@GreenBlooded: Bwahahhaaa … just checking that you have not started ignoring my posts
Relative lack of refs in Durban – OK, understand that. Pity, you wonder where they are, one assumes the same dad-child ratio, wonder why fewer refs per-capita in Durbs. I would volunteer but at my advanced age that mike would be like a piano on my back.
@Tjoppa: ooohhh nee so braaf is ek nie! Manne ontwikkel baie van seisoen tot seisoen, sal maar wag en sien! My voorspelling is maar gebaseer op ons huidige 0/16 groep se vorm en talent en met baie matrieks in die 1 ste span is daar baie plek vir nuwe talent
@GreenBlooded: 100% – which is why it is important to provide Edwards with evidence, and so test the theory that they will take action. I am not a fan of assuming that there will be no action and launching from there. I agree, Affies play it very hard, and are not the most gracious winners in the matches I have seen. I have seen a lot of taunting going on in the lower age groups, but then I saw it from both teams in the U16A match yesterday. I know what started it, I know that the College coach mentioned it at the break and I even had some quiet words with one or two of the College boys during stoppages close to the sidelines. The College boys quickly realised that cool and focussed was a better game plan and sealed the match. I would HATE any PBHS parent to go home after 10 minutes of vocal madness thinking that this was pervasive at College (I certainly don’t think it of PBHS). I am sure they won’t, other than 2 dads of the U15A (pretty vocal and noisy), all the PBHS parents were a great advert for their school, as were their boys.
I think the U16’s must be the most volatile of all the age groups – stewing in a testosterone froth – the others generally just get on with it.
Vote for your favourite boys school rugby ground here; http://www.saschoolsports.co.za/rugby/the-best-school-sports-field.html
I went for Goldstones, winner by far….
@Gungets Tuft: On your refereeing post:
Big difference between Midlands refs and Durban refs. Midlands refs are bok for anything – they will happily ref 2 games and run touch in a day. Durban refs have to spread themselves a lot further – to few guys for too many games. Midlands DO appoint AR’s for big school matches (yesterday even the 2nds got AR’s) whilst in Durban they do not – there are just too few refs. Sometimes, the U16A and 2nd team ref will volunteer to AR for the main game but not always.
Schools DO pay for appointed refs – not sure about the AR’s at Midlands. The Durban volunteers most certainly don’t get paid for AR duty at schools.
Sucking oxygen???
@Gungets Tuft: Fair comment on letting due process run it’s course, however from my side I was an assistant referee in the self same encounter which also saw a many off the ball incidents from the Affies players 2 years ago. I also regard Amalekite as and upstanding citizen (despite being a Westville supporter
) and would have no reason to fabricate stories about what he witnessed first hand. I sometimes think we need to look at the pattern and not the forensics – if it was dealt with last time it would not have happened again this time.
Boys will be boys, I even see grown men fighting outside pubs etc. If there was foul play then it needs to be punished, few match ban….hit them where it hurts. I remember in my day the boys were banned for 3 games, caned 4 and 2 months of Friday gardening detention after a fist fight at DHS….simple. No need to call off a fixture because of one incident, but if teams are getting smashed then yes. Heard Glenwood won 5 out of the 8 open games, awesome stuff!
@GREENMOM: That after I seem to recall you describing the College players as “attack machines” after the match on Goldstones. Glenwood might start running out of opposition if you had your way.
Show me a school without a little blot in their discipline over the last few years, none to be seen. If we refused to play against a school because of an incident, then we would be playing Koshuis Rugby internally and never play another school.
No excuse for foul play, it needs to be disciplined, just give them a chance to act before you advise such drastic action.
@Grasshopper: You Too
@all, I think this has been blown out of proportion. It seems 95% of the games were played hard and in good spirit. It was just unfortunate the main event was marred by some foul play. Affies are certainly in the top 3 in SA down the line, so my real reason for wanting to call off the fixture is due to mismatched teams. When teams hit 50 points plus it does no good to either side. Saying that I was impressed with the open group scores and the 2nd team win. Maybe our 1st and 2nds should have swapped. Our 2nds continue going virtually unbeaten every season whilst our 1st are only winning between 50 and 60% of their games, time for a change. If Grey Bloem have dropped Glenwood, that is a kick in the teeth. Maybe a blessing in disguise. Hopefully the 1st and A teams can still meet at festivals. Time for Glenwood to talk to PBHS, Jeppe, KES and Grey PE….maybe even Parktown….
@Gungets Tuft: I like you
@AffieOuer: Posisies?
@HORSEFLY NO.1: I love the way people argue here.
1. Make a statement of fact. “This cant be the 1st time Affies misbehaves and act so undisciplined and aggressive with no cause!” (Well, actually, no, it could be the first time, or it might not be any more than any other school)
2. Draw an unnassailable conclusion from that statement. “Dr Edwards is silent thus approving it seems! ” (Well, no again. Who says Mr Edwards is silent. Nobody has raised this incident, nobody know what he might do about it. Nobody knows what he has done about any previous incidents)
3. Therefore is is logical – “A win is all important to Affies no rules as long as the referee is intimidated as was the case yesterday” (You argument is a straw man, built on what you feel and has no basis in fact)
4. Take action on the line of thinking “Affies should be deleted from the playlist as a direct result of this pathetic lack of sportsmanship displayed.” (Well, nothing has been displayed. I am unhappy about something, I have not raised it as is the expected action, and in the light of that we have all rugby stopped)
Here’s a thought. If the Affies guy bit the GW boy (or vice versa in the U15 game) then get the video and send it to the Affies head. It is the right thing to do, it then established for sure what Mr Edwards response is. If the boy is not disciplined, or is awarded the “Dental Mechanic of the Year” prize, then take the next step and complain, or campaign, to have Affies removed.
@Tjoppa: ja, ons huidige 0/16 span het hope talent en ek vermoed daar sal heelparty volgende jaar witbul status verwerf.
@Knersus: ai ou maat Affies het nie n verskuilde agenda nie, dit was doodgewoon duur en synde n trotse skool gaan ons nie laat julle ons borg nie. Daar is boonop rekord eksamen, 2 weke later en Affies is so ernstig oor sy akademie soos oor sy sport (selfs die rugbyspelers!, haha) Dis jammer ons kon nie die jaar meeding nie, maar daar is mos nog hope rugby vorentoe (2014 +) en seker sal ons n geleentheid kry om kragte te meet.
@AffieOuer: Jong span? Bedoelende meer gr 11 as 12 seuns.
@Knersus: Ek dink ons het nou genoeg gehad van hoorse. Vra jou hoof om asseblief die ware rede vir Affies se ontrekking te publiseer. Jy is nou presies soos die ouers langs die veld.
Would have loved to play Affies in George. Apparently after Affies withdrew from Outeniqua’s 90 th celebrations due to their sponsor withdrawing, Outeniqua offered to pay for the team to come to George. This was apparently also refused by Affies. So, what is the real reason for Affies not wanting to play Outeniqua? Both EG Jansen and Garsfontein will be attending the celebrations.
Aangaande van die kommentaar hierbo, dink ek 90% van die tyd dat die toeskouers dit veroorsaak. Ek is een van die ouers wat nie op die pawiljoen sit nie, maar langs die veld is. Weekliks hoor ek hoe ouers/kinders wat langs die veld staan die spelers op die veld slegse.
Words like, you F>>>>>>> gemors, what are you doing on the veld? You don’t belong here – you are a windgat………F off…………….. it is a disgrace how spectators sometimes behave.
@beet: 100%. I wrote a missive at about 11am this morning before I went out and didn’t post it for some reason.
College have society refs for 1st – 5ths (I think, perhaps 4ths) and for all age grout A and B games (Djou – just for you – since you feel that KZN refs are biased!?!?).
On the main field on Saturday there was a Society ref for the 1sts, and the refs for the 2nd and 3rd team games ran the lines. They were all miked so they could talk to each other. There was a lot of interaction between them, and the ref referred to the assistants a number of times for off-sides and forward passes. There were a number of incidences of illegal play referred by the assistants as well.
We all know schoolboy rugby has progressed to the “almost professional” status, it is time for the schools to provide refs (via the society) that reflect that. There are very few schoolboy assistants that would be forward enough (even if it was allowed) to call the ref over for foul play and then recommend sanction. Never going to happen.
So – school, get with it. Get the society to appoint acredited refs at more levels. I don’t know if there is a cost (Greenblooded .?? .. does the society charge for refs?), but it has reached that point.
And I also think we need to make those mikes a bit lighter. The poor assistants were sucking oxygen by the end of the game on Saturday ….
8)
Ag shame – kan iemand asb vir GW boys laat weet dat hulle rugby en nie sokker teen Affies speel nie…..en wat van die affie speler wat deer die GW monster gebyt is. Kan iemand my asb inlig van waneer af is GW een van die gereelde top 10 rugbyskole in SA – indien ooit
@Tjoppa: Affies sal n jong span he 2014, maar daar is tonne talent en soos altyd sal die manne hulle harte uitspeel vir daardie wit trui!
@Tjoppa:
I also want this. But calling others names will not make things move any faster ey.
@HORSEFLY NO.1: All Grashopper is pleading for is an investigation and then start to act accordingly like people who actually care for the children involved.
What actually caused this brawl ? Where is the video clip? please post it?
@Grasshopper:
Why call others an embarassment? What Greenmom is saying is largely the same as what others are saying. Maybe her choice of words are a little bit extreme but no need for hostility and turning against your own.
I don’t see you mouthing off to Greenhopper?! Very easy to try and find scapegoats instead of solving the actual problem isn’t it?
Seems to me that some of those Pretoria Afrikaners want to show the KZN Afrikaners that the KZN ones are just pretending souties whom are also quite soft. Yes things did obviously get rough but no this will NOT be solved here.
Want the Affies fixture dropped? Get up and do something instead of pointing at your own boet…
@Klofie Pa: Windbuks se gat man miskien ‘n .470 sonder patrone maar ‘n windbuks. Glad nie.
I leave for a few hrs and it turns into a war. Greenmom, you are an embarrassment to Glenwood. We don’t know the full details, just wait for an investigation to be done before mouthing off…
@Klofie Pa – so gedink – lekker man lekker
@Ooploop: Tjoppa is n windbuks!!
@Tjoppa: Mmmmm….waar is jou gedagtes laat Sondag middag
@Ooploop: Jy bedoel sekerlik nie ‘n kondoom nie?
@beet: Kan jy vir my ook asb n truitjie aantrek – het probeer om dit self te doen maar kon nie regkom nie – n Affie “thug” jassie sal gaaf wees dankie.
Ek dink daai groen tannie het skuins voor ons gesit Saterdag – die GW ondersteuners het hulle vir haar geskaam – die opmerkings en taalgebruik klink eenders – kan maar net kop skud en aanbeweeg.
@AffieOuer: Soos my Oupa my geleer het en ek haal aan ” to fight is not right laddie, but to loose the fight is unacceptable”
Mmmm nou slaan ek ook maar ook oor na my moedertaal…daai groen mamba is nogals giftig. Wil maar net uitlig dat die gedrag van “groen” vs “wit” bloggers boekdele spreek…laat ‘n ou maar net wonder wie het uitgerafel (gister)
O genade manne, dit raak nou skreeusnaaks. Ek lag werklik uit my maag uit. Maar nou tyd vir bietjie werk voor more! Net een opmerking Tjoppa: Nie Capitalists nie, die gewone spreektaal is Skuldbult!
En jy het die Menlokoshuise vergeet: Na hulle word verwys as Koop-en-bly! Wonder wat gan Spear doen as hy hoor hoeveel manne van Monnas na die vakansie by Menlo ingetrek het. En jammer vir Spear, Vrede het 50-0 verloor teen Wilgerivier! Eina!
@Woltrui: Is dit klein Dawie se invloed op loskakel? Wat my egter bekommer is die min gr 11 spelers wat werklik hand op steek. Apie en Scmullian die enigste jongelinge wat my beindruk en ons weet die groep nie so sterk nie. Gaan volgende jaar ‘n hartseer een wees?
Beet Phillip Orpher was natuurlik die speler na wie ek vroeer in die week verwys het. Hy het n baie goeie 3 kuns teen Maritzburrow behaal en was in my opinie saam RG die spelers van die wedstryd teen MC.
@Woltrui: @BOG: vlymskerp… seker die sondag middag versnapperings wat nou begin inskop saam met die bloedrukpilletjies en hart medikasie…
ons is maar almal bietjie moerig oor die loftus petalje… ek vermoed ons manne in blou was nie lus vir die besilgheidsklas vlug na hamilton vandag nie…
@BOG: Jy nie verkeerd Bog. Voel nou nog siek na gisteraand se loesing
@Klofie Pa: Affies – Barbarians, Garsies Koshuise – Cape Flats, Waterkloof – Capitalists??
@Rugbyman: Nie alleen spring Woltrui uit die kas uit nie, hy dink nog boonop dit is oggend- en dit om 14:00. Ek kan my voorstel wat hy gisteraand aangevang het en ek wonder maar of dit verband hou met dit wat op Loftus gebeur het?
@Rugbyman: Jammer Rugbyman. Niks bedoel teen Garsies. Tjoppie se opmerking was egter so skerp ek kon nie help om te lag nie.
@Rugbyman: Nee kyk wonder of dit RG saam met WP was met Callies en Steyntjie in tandem of dalk Jurie saam met Ivan en Dawie?? Iemand is raakgery gister in Durbs en sy sukkel om te verwerk!! Dis moes priceless gewees het!!’
@Klofie Pa: mmmmm die dame het nou sommer die hele gauteng aangevat… ons is almal gangsters en thugs… Tjoppa is gelukkig veilig… ek weet nie lekker waar sy planeet is nie…
@Tjoppa: en om te dink ek het gisteraand vir jou opgekom… sal my leer ne…?
Ek sien dis weer n lieflike sonskyn middag op planeet tjoppa… en hier spring woltrui ook uit die kas uit… al die affie skapies saam in n ry… het julle die dok gevra of julle mag praat?
Dankie tog die Groen Moeder kan nie Afrikaans lees nie. Sou my ook seker bygekom het!!
But by calling and insulting Affie boys as thugs and Cape whatever, is totally unacceptable Madam or whatever you are!!! Shame on you!!! Like some blogget said, 2 sides of any story and then the bloggers from MC happy with AHS after their trip to Pretoria!!
Hope any coach reading your pathetic ply to not attack or tackle in a pack is exactly what they will apply to your poor little defenceless kid on the park.
Hope you consider a apology to Affies and their community!!
@Tjoppa: Ai Tjop. Laat jy my nou lag met die Barbarian opmerking. Jy is vlym skerp vanoggend Mnr.
@GREENMOM: Hope you do not drive a BMW, Ford or Mazda all of them from Gauteng, Gold also. Oh shti so does Garsfontein well at least 50% of them.
@GREENMOM: There goes the thriller. “CAPE flats style” that is 50% of Garsfontein’s team.
@Tjoppa: Your response confirms my opinion that nothing good comes from GP- Gangsters paradise!
Affies is setting the trend in that province with the appropriate additive. Well done!. Affies GP!
Don’t insult the proud international BARBARIAN rugby team.
They represent everything AFFI’S fails to be.
My children would say that I am so chilled now, I am approaching freezing point. I was taking a walk down memory lane and listening to the revived LM Radio (stream). And what did they play? “Love grows where my Rosemary goes” Can anyone relate to this era or am I the only one in this age bracket? Those were such good times. Almost in tears
@Ooploop: A balanced response from you. Unfortunately those on the field and their actions reflect what Affies is all about, not the theory of what is “acceptable” as reality is Affies condones thuggery and aggressive attacking of defenceless players off the ball.
Those thugs were selected by the school. They represent Affies. They are everything the current Affies is about and portrays.
GW does not want to play against such types as we do not consider it necessary to bring visitors down, at huge cost, where there off spring then attack your opponents with 3-4 thugs attacking 1 boy at a time. I did not see any 1 to 1 action from any of the Affies heroes.
All were the gang attacking. CAPE flats style. The leader bites the pack of gangsters follows.
Its recurring every year and proven to be a character of normal Affies behaviour. Its getting worse.
NO STOP ENTERTAINING THESE TYPES AT GW.
Get real sportsmen to play against who understands decency and the rules..
@GREENMOM: Then we call it the clash of the Durban and Tswane Barbarians. Not referring to the real meaning of barbarian, I mean that is reserved for Affies. We refer to the “Barbarians” a world renown rugby club playing games with players from all over the world and not confined to players of their own community.
@beet: Thank you for your kind words. I did not see the incident, but Im sure that if he was guilty, someone would have had a quite word in his ear. You sure he was not perhaps a recent arrival from Pretoria?
And Im going to demonstrate my “self discipline” by not responding to the “comment” above yours. 
@Rugbyman: Would love to play Garsies rather than Affies! Affies is no longer a preferred opponent as the thuggery
and mindless physical attack on our defenceless boys by 2-4 thugs vs one GW player, is unacceptable and must STOP!
Get rid of Affies in KZN.
It has run the course. Lets get together and arrange the replacement by ANY other civilised school where rugby is promoted, not thuggery.
Garies being top of the list.
Start a new tradition by wiping our hands clean once and finally…..
@Rugbyman: Tjirp of “Geskiedenis”
@Tjoppa: ag wat sou n sondag middag wees sonder so ou mes stekie in my ribbes van die tjopmeister…? Jy stel werklik nooit teleur nie… lank gedink oor daai chirp tjop?
@BOG: I recall a bit of in your face gamesmanship employed by the GCB scrummy earlier in the season and the disapproval it was met amongst Grey supporters who saw it. It was noted that sort of behaviour was unbecoming a Grey boy and I’m sure the player was quickly sorted out after the match. Certainly individual bragging gets under just about everyone’s skins but I don’t know that anyone is overly concerned about team celebrations after tries. Nevertheless Grey does set the bar very high in terms of discipline and the image they project on the rugby field. Love or hate Grey, they are respected everywhere as a team that plays the ball and not the man. Something for Old Greys to be very proud of.
@Klofie Pa: En Garsfontein se velde word verwys as Nuweland. Nie net oor sy getal behoeftige spelers nie maar hulle se die groot games word daar ook meestal verloor.
@BOG: Good thinking Bog first play weaker opponents and get the boys winning again then reestablish games with Affies, Paarl Gim and Kwaggas. The lions did that and they even beat the Kings on Friday. Good thinking Bog. Hope the English Speaking Rugby Community will take a page from your manual.
Came here by chance and find myself in the middle of a good old handbag fight. At least, on this occasion, its not a “local derby” in the WC, which normally can drag on for about a week. As far as discipline is concerned, begin by stopping the boys from jumping on each other after scoring. Have you ever seen a Grey boy do that? No more than a handshake or shoulder pat- and its not a written rule. Just behaviour established over a long period. That exaggerated excitement can quite easily spill over into something more irritating. And controlling ones excitement, is part of character building. But I am pleased to hear that the annual encounter with MC is to be resumed again next year. Hopefully, the resumption with Queens College, is not too far in the future, , even if Hangklip (or JJ Serfontein- LOL) is drawn in to add more teams. Its done in Upington- why not Queenstown?
I thought a long time before replying to this bull.
Firstly my first post read “Why is everybody fighting with your team? But be sure I like hard but clean rugby do not condone dirty play.” and every time thereafter I wrote I DO NOT CONDONE DIRTY PLAY and advised the Glenwood supporters to take this problem to dr Edwards.
I then requested that the Souties must go to bed because they are emotional and we all know how emotional people react and warned that they are overstepping the borders of everything this blog stands for by saying the “bad” behaviour of Affies was “in bred or whatever”?
I left the situation as is and went to bed.
Now (1) I am not connected or biased towards any school but I do have my favourites. I respect schools who is passionate about tradition and do not change their ways in order to be the best whatever the cost. Here I include Affies, Maritzburg College, Grey Bloem, Boishaai etc. Not saying they do not overstep the borders but like all things in live we act on the knowledge we have.
(2) Calling the English Speaking White South Africans “Souties” does not have any intend to harm any person. In the same I also see it as acceptable to be called Boer, Afrikaner, Dutchman or whatever because that is who I am and I am proud of my heritage.
(3) On my “warning” the Souties the whole week was referring to my blogs saying if Glenwood was not going to keep the game tight Affies will run them to pieces. Fortunately this happened and for that I do not apologise at all.
(4) On the allegation that I do see the KZN English playing community as softies and not able to play rugby. This is/was not my intention. But now that it is mentioned why do GLENWOOD import Afrikaner Boys to improve their rugby. Why are you not a regular top 20 member. As Bog will put it “History” shows your real ranking in SA Rugby.
(5) The allegations of Green Hopper regarding condoms is absolutely not true. I quote “you can bet your bottom dollar I will openly attacked him or others that condom this type of play” If you are that desperate free condoms are given at state hospitals for free. But as the sizes are aimed at the African community you might have to cut 6 inches off to make it fit.
I thank you and hope this can be settled in a civilized manner.
@Klofie Pa: mmmmm baie moeilike veld om op te speel… en san is daar nog die een oog monsters ook wat sake bemoeilik…
We would gladly play Affies twice if Glenwood drop them. The reason being is because when Affies plays College there is no “niggle” and both schools have the utmost respect for each other.
@Rugbyman: Ja die game is aan vir ons. Hoop maar vir die beste!!
Varkpark se jy?? hehe wonder wat gaan die manne van daai naam se!!!
@Klofie Pa: The 1st XV games in KZN are generally clean affairs and perhaps the local refs have been spoilt in this manner, in that they only have to focus on the technical aspects and not off the ball nonsense. So because dirty play isn’t a problem in KZN Tier 1, neither is officiating in this regard.
I think many will recall a particular contracted head coach who its even been mentioned on this blog encouraged his players to take the law into their own hands to put it mildly but he lost his job a couple of years back and his replacement is a full-time teacher who does not seem to have much of an appetite for that sort of behaviour.
I was actually surprised at comments made by PBHS supporters recently, that felt one of our local schools was a bit too in their face away from the ball but there were no reported incidents of foul play just perhaps a question about where one draws the line between good sportsmanship and unacceptable gamesmanship.
From my understanding the of ref used on Saturdays incl the 1st XV game were from Northern Natal not Durban. But again I don’t think anyone is going to criticise this ref for lack of consistency in his handling of the rugby. It’s perhaps an experience learning curve with regards the dirty play.
@Klofie Pa: julle en ons het n baie harde assignment saterdag…
@Klofie Pa: hulle noem HTS se veld nie verniet “vark park” nie….
@beet: Seems like this Ref problem is a persisting thing Beet. Why did the KZN union not stepped in that time? Now I hear the asst. ref were Schoolboys doing traing for their subject they doing!!! Maybe a game between 2 local schools, but for goodness sake not AFFiES and GW or any other school. These derbys are serious sh!!
Enige storie het natuurlik 2 kante. Volgens wat ek verstaan het Glenwood spelers se optrede aanleiding gegee tot die vuisgeveg. Die Glenwood ondersteuners se gedrag was skynbaar ook uiters skandalig. Is dit waar dat die ondersteuners hul span sou aanmoedig om te baklei deur “fight fight fight” uit te roep? Was daar voorvalle waar Affies spelers ge “tip tackle” is in die 2 en 3de span wedstryde en waar die skydsregters nie die spelers beskerm het nie?
Alle voorvalle moet deeglik ondersoek word en daar moet teen skuldiges opgetree word.
Van die opmerkings deur bloggers laat n slegte smaak in die mond. Amelikite se opmerkings dat hy gesien het hoe Affies spelers vuil speel maar dat hy nie kon hoor hoe Glenwood ondersteuners n beseerde Affies speler uijou, omrede hy op die suidelike pawiljoen gesit het, spreek boekdele van sy “objektiwiteit”. Hoe minder gese word van Greenhopper se opmerkings hoe beter. Sien uit na die wedstryd teen PBHS waar die “souties” en die “rockspiders” met mekaar in goeie gees die draak kan steek.
I have to agree that referee courses starting as soon as school level is the way to go. However I have to agree with you Beet, and as I have mentioned. There is just to much to much at stake to have schoolboy’s doing duty in those positions, I hope all rugby organisers reading this take note and that they don’t put young boy’s in situations like that, and also ease the job of the ref on the day.
@ GREENMOM. Dear madam, I have been watching AFFIE rugby for what must be about 15 years. I will be lying if I say there hasn’t been , as the TV commentators refer to it,”Handbag throwing” . But please if there is one rugby playing school, club in the world where this has not happened let us put their names in the rugby hall of fame, we are all men playing this game and we are ego driven beings. I have even seen women rugby players fighting(hand bag thing) in a game in an international event. It’s never nice, but something that will happen from time to time, it must just be managed. We must all learn from what has happened. The more we learn, the better. Their will still be great games in future between these two great rugby playing schools, some you win and some you lose. I personally look forward to these games, all of them ,always a great encounter.
@beet: Poor officiating results in the escalation… He should’ve had proper touch judges…
@Rugbyman: I don’t know that the ref can be blamed but perhaps others who saw incidents of dirty play can comment on whether he should have acted more sternly. To my recollection there were no penalties for foul play stemming directly from play in the vicinity of the ball.
The game stopping incident happened on the sideline away from the action. The ref followed the game and could not see how it started. My feeling is if an adult assistant ref had been there, the mindset of the player/s who sparked it might have been different, knowing that an adult who could finger point them out to the ref was close by and even if it was so heated that it became unavoidable, the ref could have asked the assistant who the initial perpetrator/s was and produced a card/s.
In 2011 I did however feel that the ref did a bad job by not being strict enough when the trouble started. As a result it escalated.
Klink of my boere/bure die souties goed die bliksem in het na gister!!
Wonder tog of daar nie nou n molshoop na n Eifelltoring verander word nie. Die tipe ding is orals en daar gaan nog baie sulkes wees. Weet nie presies wat gebeur het maar kom oor dit. Affie 1ste span spelers en al die ander sal vir jou roer met harde,duidelike, eerlike rugby. Vra my, my seuns het ook uitgedeel en ontvang. Sommer hope!!
Als deel van hierdie wonderlike game van ons.
Hoor ook vanoggend hoe kla die Menlo seuns oor hoe “vuil” HTS was gister!! Nee wat vat hom soos hy kom manne!!
Lekker man Lekker!!
@rugbyman not taking away the responsibilities from boys to stay focussed and disciplined, but I can tell you most of the crowd “lost” it when the ref stood by watching the “off the ball encounter” without reacting… to be honest I at one stage feared that things would get ugly and that the crowd was going to step in…
Emotions went flaring on the stands when no clear intervention came from the ref! To be honest no one likes wathing two teams go at each other and even more so if you are a parent of one of them!
@Beet: I agree – it would be a pity if the derby is dropped. I also belive Affies has asked Menlo and Garsies for a weekend each next season – furthermore plans are afoot for a North – South derby where 3 PTA schools (think Affies, Menlo and Waterkloof) will play Boishaai, Paulroos and PaarlGym – over 4 days or so.
@AffieOuer: seems like a case of poor officiating then taking into account Beet’s comments… a real pity that proper officials weren’t appointed… a recipe for disaster in a physical game…
I think Glenwood and Affies need each other more than ever. I can’t see this fixture being scrapped.
Affies have played so few games this season because their policies have made it hard to find opponents that now fit their desired goals. They have priced themselves out of the market so to speak. Really the only avenue available to Affies if they scrap Glenwood is the Western Cape where there are several schools big enough to accommodate all their teams. However with a match against Outeniqua already been scratched this year because of finances, it’s hard to see where the money for a whole school trip all the way down to the W/Cape will come from or if a W/Cape school would be willing to fork out the money to go to Pretoria every second year. Will be great if it happens tho. Affies need the matches.
It’s no secret that Glenwood are walking a fine line with a number of KZN schools at the moment. Their relationships with Westville, DHS and College are all in need of improvement right now, as just one more incident could result in one of these games being canned.
Coming up soon is their interschools against Grey College who are dropping them in favour of Maritzburg College after this year. So they will be looking around for a new rival. There’s talk of the addition of a 2nd leg game every season against Westville, something that’s great for lower teams that need the fixtures but not ideal for A-team. The Gauteng English schools are a challenge. PBHS is the best bet since they have a 2-leg set up with College meaning that the annual trip to KZN is built into their budget already. That would off course leave College one short in their fixture list and with Grey coming onboard and talk of a home + away vs Westville there as well, it might not be so bad. I’m not sure KES would be willing to hop on board and take on Glenwood because of the extra financial commitment. Perhaps Jeppe is now the likely alternative for Glenwood but everything points to a fix up the issues with Affies and hold onto this fixture.
Good morning everybody – I have been following the blog for some time now and found the comments interesting and in good spirit. It however saddens me to see that many bloggers have “forgot” their manners next to the field at yesterday’s game at Glenwood…pity
I attended many of the games yesterday and confirm that the games were in most instances very physical…both teams brought it!!! It was unfortunate to notice at the u15A game, 5 min into the game that an Affieboy got bit. The captain brought it to the attention of the ref would remarked that there was not much he could do..well I think much of the high levels of testosterone could have been managed if good control was taken over the games. In the absence thereof, the boys (both sides) tend to take matters into own hands.
@Ooploop: Personal first hand experience my friend… not stabs… I only referred to parents not incidents on the field! I dont think that affies maliciously runs on the field to play outside the rules nor are they coached in that way… Unfortunately some of your supporters/parents behave very badly… hence my comments.
I am entitled to my opinion am I not? Maybe u guys should take the criticism on the chin and do some introspection? That is of course your choice. By the way – I dont think all affie parents are like this, but unfortunately I have been around more than one incident that left a bitter taste in the mouth and my point of view is based on those incidents. ..
One of the things that did not help on Saturday was the use of schoolboy touch judges. Particularly in light of what happened 2 years ago when there were numerous late hits, I would have thought it was that much more important to ensure that society refs man the touchlines as assistant refs.
I understand that the schoolboys used are training refs and have done the necessary courses via the academy but the ref was not able to call on them for advice on what they had seen happen. I’m not sure if this situation would have changed if the touch judges were from another school, but being Glenwood students and given the circumstances, the appearance of their independence was compromised.
The referees academy is an outstanding programme and is achieving good results but it has it’s place and with so much attention on 1st XV games, the referees really deserve to be given the support of neutral adult assistants.
Must say I also think that this derby needs to be scraped. I’ve never seen pupils complains so much as GW boys. Its funny why Grey College, Maritzburg College etc does not complain and wants to play against Affies.
@REF: If only the rules are applied consistently and referee mistakes go boths ways, most people will be satisfied. I am sure, as a former referee, you will no doubt agree some referees don’t belong on the field … as a result of being very biased. This is especially the case when you go to KZN and Mpumalanga. What, however, baffles me is that some referees – well knowing the matches are televised – allow their being biased dominate the fact that such behaviour is there for all to see. Don’t they have principles and self-respect?
On the matter of the AFFIE scholars disrupting the line out calls . You would have also see them shouting and screaming while your kicker was aiming towards the uprights,yeh. No they would have been absolutely quiet, it is all in the spirit of the game, it would also just have happened when the line out was right in front of the boys. I dare you to prove me wrong. Think about it.
@Rugbyman, ploeg maar , ag nee wat dit is nie die moeite werd nie, sterkte met jul jaar.
Someone has made a good point about constructive debate. Please avoid stereotyping and road rage like comments. Keep it clean and keep it real.
@Green Hopper and all my english speaking friends on this site.
Just remember, whenever you are called a soutie think fo the following – what would the world be without salt? You are the salt of South Africa and thank you for that. Me being Afrikaans and English, sometimes called a Soutie and other times a Dutchman – can cause an identity problem, but problem solved, proudly South African.
Good morning everybody, I don’t know whether I should be thank full for not being there or not, if there is one school head master, that I can assure you that will look into the matter it will be AFFIES, but also not emotional, factual. The rugby players don’t leave here by bus to go and &$@/?! There opponents, why has this not happened against any other team in I don’t know how many years. I can only think that it must have been a Bulls Ref as well. Was there any ref on the field. Why is it that if schools play here by us we have union appointed ref’s and assistant referees . I also was a ref , not so long ago and where was this guy, he has items in his pockets called cards, yellow and red, I can only think if he only handed them out to GW players then they were the only fowl players on the pitch. Think about it, and again. Your school and union is to blame, better arrangements should have been made. I personally hate fowl play and especially of the ball fowl play, but “intemidation” with in the law is allowed for in the rules of rugby, it is not ballroom dancing you no.
@Grasshopper: @Green Hopper I was at Glenwood yesterday and watched most of the matches. My boy plays for Affies at under 16 level. I want to make a couple of comments about some of remarks made on this blog.
As a parent of a Affies boy, I have been attending rugby matches over the last 3 years literally across the whole country against most of the top schools in magnificenct SA – I can state without any reservations that Affies is not a school that is renowned for “off the ball incidents” or foul play – as matter of fact, I can count the number of punch-up’s or niggles on my one hand. So let us please not make any generalisations here. Affies and most definitely the headmaster (Pierre Edwards) and the coatching staff take on the field discipline and professionalism VERY seriously and action will and has been taken if any foul play was detected.
Secondly – like I said, I was at the game and there were clearly not a huge number of Affies parents in attendance (given game being played at Glenwood – by the way you have a great venue!) – I was sitting on the main stand and I was horrified to hear the Glenwood supporters booing one of our 1st team boys as he left the field with an injury – I seriously think some reflection (and introspection) is also required by the Glenwood supporters. As a matter of fact two of your parents walked over to us and apologised on behalf of Glenwood for this – excact words were “please we are not all like this”. I also crinch when supporters at Affies misbehave – by hey, this happens at EVERY school, and whilst we should address and not tolerate it – emotions sometimes just get the better of some people.
Finally, to call for a discontinuation of a great derby between two passionate rugby schools because of one unfortunate incident is a reall pity. I promise you, those boys have shaken hands and have put the incident behind them yesterday after the game already. I asked my boy about the glenwood game – his words was “for the last three years it is one of the toughest and most physical encounters every year – but they love it” so let’s address the issues as they arose and not resort to sweeping and unfair statements please.
I would really like to see the video replay of the incident – it happened right in front of us and I have a very different perpective of what happened. If indeed Affies boys were the culprits, they should be disciplined – I expect the same for Glenwood.
PS – @Rugbyman your suttle stabs at Affies are not appreciated – not sure how this adds to any constructive debate
@Tjoppa: Yes Tjoppa! All the games where Off-all sorry Affies are involved have this unsportsmanlike behaviour by screaming Affies supporters and aggressive undisciplined Affies players? Really?
You are proud of and condone this type of unruly behaviour?
Sad of you to have to admit you / Affies misbehave in the same manner wherever you go…..Grey all over.
Shameful behaviour.
Sies man!
@Grasshopper: @Rugbyman: @GREENMOM: And this is what the total result of this attitude has brought , is this what we seek , Grassy , I do think before I pen , its the attitude of standing back, I don’t care whom he is , if he openly advocates this type of approach , you can bet your bottom dollar I will openly attacked him or others that condom this type of play
As was said the boys only play and react to the influence they get from the side line and condone by the coaching staff, they know too well what’s happening in the game, they should stand down the boys that are taking the game off the ball
Kershaw must show his mettle in favour of GW for a change- which should be his main and only concern! !
DROP Affies from the playlist if you seriously care about the boys of Glenwood !
Why expose our boys to such undisciplined assaults in the name of sport? its a disgrace.
This thuggery against our boys must be prevented at all cost!
How do you justify this assault on our boys? As a parent- safeguarding my kid is first priority not playing rugby.
It should also be GW’s principals 1st and ONLY response……
@Tjoppa: This cant be the 1st time Affies misbehaves and act so undisciplined and aggressive with no cause!
Dr Edwards is silent thus approving it seems! ? A win is all important to Affies no rules as long as the referee is intimidated as was the case yesterday. Affies should be deleted from the playlist as a direct result of this pathetic lack of sportsmanship displayed.
Westville and other local schools are worthy opponents! The GWD season is far too long as it stands! No need to play these types…
17 Games played vs Affies only 10-12.
No wonder the boys are tired ….
And in other news…..
Seems like it is to be a photo finish between GT, Pedantic and Slammer in the Superbru pool next weekend………..well done guys!!
@Klofie Pa: Alhoewel dit lyk of Affies so bietjie stout was….? Moet ongelukkig se dat die manne van KZN n punt beet het oor affies… Dinge is anders daar deesdae… Van die Ouers langs die kant is rerig onaangenaam… ek noem dit die affies sindroom… Elke huis het sy kruis
Ek hoop rerig julle en ons 1stes gaan finaal toe… sal lekker wees om die finaal in pretoorsdorp te hou…
sal jou se na gister is die enigste ligpunte in PTA julle en Affies!!!
verseker staan ons by die manne van die dorp!
stem saam oor die refs! lol blykbaar het Grootkrokodil al klaar die Indiese krieketknoeiers gekontak.
@Amalekite: The same thing happened 2 years ago when Affies played in Durban. Also a lot of off the ball stuff but this time the score-line was a lot closer. Yes one wonders why this is necessary when the team is so dominant in the game. There is obviously a culture which breeds this and it is clearly encouraged by the coaches and no doubt the kop-toe parents on the side-lines.
The solution is simple and Amalekite said it quite clearly – delete them from the fixture list. There is no place for thugs in SBR – and it seems this is condoned by the school and encouraged by the parents. As a ref I have found there is seldom on-field trouble without there being a collateral issue on the side-line.
@Klofie Pa: Gaan die Kloof manne ons darem support?
@Klofie Pa: Dis rerig nie maklik in Middelburg nie… Daai Puma refs het wragties net 1 oog…. Rare spesie…. Mens kry daai een-oog spesie net in Mphumalangha….
raait baie dankie!! tuff tuff daar in die dorre middelburg!!
@Klofie Pa: Nee, my o/16s speel teen hts… Kloof se 1stes speel ook teen HTS… Als daar by hulle… Garsies se 1stes speel teen EG!
@Green Hopper: I must say… I dont think Tjoppa condones the behaviour u refer to…
@Rugbyman: more RM. enige idee wie ons jol volgende week?? het gedink dit sal HTS wees maar jy noem julle doen!
@Green Hopper: Maybe u guys should arrange a fixture with Garsies…? Would love to play on an annual basis…
@Green Hopper: boet, just some advise take a time out, breathe and think before you ink. I too am irritated by the foul play but keep your emotions intact. It’s uncalled for attacking a blogger with insults etc when you don’t even know him personally. Anyway, as I have said many times would prefer the Affies fixture removed and replaced with an English medium school from JHB, better match in strength and traditions…
@Rugbyman: What I think needs to be said is that people need to stand up against this type of attitude, it is the same as abuse, when you see a child being abused or bullied, or domestic violence , for far to long people stand back and say , well it has nothing to do with us , so hush hush about it
Well NO, It might appear that I am anger people, that is not the intent , what he have here is someone whom openly condoms and promotes these types of attitudes and actions, This is why we see various people from different sections of society all over the country making these comments about the way the game is played
99% of these players from 1st team, won’t even go on to play provincial rugby and if they do they will be out within two seasons,
As a Coach of boys at this age group , I can’t condom this , this are the years that are remembered by all schools boys , look at the blog you have all the bloggers talking about when they played , years in and around theirs ,
We are trying to grow the sport , it’s a sport that advocates friendship , ability to play anywhere in the world, making lasting friendship , clubs after school, how do we as responsible adults try and nurture this when boys won’t come and even start playing , because of “numbnuts” like this person
@Green Hopper: I am not defending Affies or their actions on or off the field… I don’t condone their conduct at all! They can at times be extremely arrogant (especially their parents) as I have stated in previous posts. I had a very similar argument with Tjoppa on this a few weeks back on this blog.
Some of our B and C team played against them earlier in the year and it was a horrible experience next to the field with some off the comments their parents made being simply disgusting… But two wrongs don’t make a right. By calling someone a moron and launching a personal attack on him – being plainly offensive, how does that prove your point? How will that change their attitude? All u succeed in doing by conducting yourself in this way is angering others…
@Rugbyman: as disgusted as i am in the attitude take into the weekend, and rather than sit back and allow this , it someone take someone to stand up and say what’s right and what’s wrong , morally wrong , you think what you must ,
just like the actions on the field , but not openly discussing it and point out how society doesn’t tolerate these things , so they get condoned by way of actions and keeping it behind closed and secretive doors,
don’t get try and hide behind class and all that , when someone behaves and supports those types of actions shows your class, 1 didn’t , in reading back on the blog your utterances of hey , that attitude is supported ??? hence you condone and support those remarks and attitude?
Am I correct ??????????? speak now or forever hold your peace
Someone has to worry about you , as to poor losers I have never seen a school as poor a set of losers as Affies as in 2009 , when beaten in Pretoria , I have never seen a supporters crowd of adults behave like they did that year , when beaten in wet cold conditions
It’s this attitude that gets passed down to the kids, and the same seem pretty crystal clear here , as commented Grey , now here is a school with class , also Afrikaans, but the most accommodating and respectful communities , gracious when they beat you , ever supporting ,
I am not a sore loser, far from it , I blogged at the beginning of the year that GW would battle and possible be 4th in KZN for the year , and winning against Affies, after the last years teams performance , seemed impossible, most GW people here have clearly and politely acknowledged the class the team had , there is no disputing this , BUT what there is complaint about is the attitude to ward the game, and something that might not be coached into them , but isn’t discouraged , and then you have the parents and supporters such as Tjoppa , grow up and be an adult
@gimmie: As you take exception so do I , what is really frustrating is the “intent” prior to a school boy game, with warning to souties , as generalisation as that might be
I can assure you , I have many , many Afrikaans mates etc, and as mention strong ties to this communities , but the arrogance of or the implication that Souties or KZN are merely softies and don’t play Rugby , as insinuated in the comment , is beneath moral contempt
@Green Hopper: Like I said… Real class boet…
@Rugbyman: i thought so ? i get defensive when we are referred to as souties etc and then waned for a week . please, i only stoop to the levels I have to engage those that are already at that level
@Green Hopper: Fuck you, your dubious linage and your bitter bigot sore-loser ass.
@green hopper, I take exception to your caracterization of Afrikaners.it is rude, uncalled for and shows disrespect. If Affies transgressed the rules and spirit of our beautiful game then please send video evidence to head master of Affies. I am totally against foul play. However please let us not show prejudice in our comments.
@Green Hopper: Why are u so insulting? Tjoppa did nothing to offend u? Yet u call him amongst other a “moron”? Must say bud… u really ooze class… very impressive… Real slick….
@Tjoppa: you see , this mannerism and teaching of playing dirty even stems from you , the intent is shown, by you saying” been warning you all week” warning about what , moron , playing a better game, well that’s fine , but coming down with the intent to win and play dirty , well that’s not school boy sportsmanship more like a bunch of has been grade 12 7th team rugby players with resentment and brandy drinking Afrikaners ,
and before you get you head in a total spin, I can say I have linage all the way to the 1820 settlers mate , and a rich Afrikaans heritage, but the likes of you are a disgrace with this attitude and then teaching the kids this
Well , I know that the schools , keep issues of fighting and how they deal with the boys behind closed doors, but it would be refreshing to put it out there and this might stop this type of BS . the games are recorded, GW record all the games, so they should submit to Affies a copy of the game and any other video evidence and get them to do something about it, if they don’t then it needs to be sent higher so that somebody gets this sorted and stamped out of the game,
To simply say “BUT” this is rugby , is utter crap , this would eventually degenerate and allow the game we love to become nothing but dirty play , thing like High tackles are stopped to clean up the game and such things and with all the video around these days , use it to stamp out this type of rubbish
@ Tjoppa , please show some class , you frigging ignorant Dutchman ,
@Tjoppa: Come on down to PMB next year and we can watch some games together. I can’t count the games I have watched this year and last, must be too dof to have seen it.
@Rugbyman: As ek met jou wil praat word my menings geblok. Is dit ‘n laatnag conspiracy.
@Gungets Tuft: Not talking about parents we are talking about the boys next to the field. I was the year before last at MC and your boy’s antics next to the field was accepted as that – good day good game some spirit by the childeren.
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@Tjoppa: I have watched Affies play in KZN many times, many matches. Same with KES and PBHS. Never seen what you describe. Some seriously loud PBHS dads next to the U15A today, but trying to disrupt calls, nope. Sat with different sets of PBHS parents today at different times, all genuinely nice folk,not for a second could I imagine e them doing that.
@Tjoppa: Moes jy nie al jou warm melkie by die nursie gekry het nie…? Mos al laaaaankal verby jou bedtyd…
@Rugbyman: Nog altyd die hardste met my beste vriende baklei.
@GreenBlooded: and on Kingsmead and I presume spectators booing children also only in Pretoria. I think you Souties very emotional and need to go to bed. I warned you the whole week. And again I do not condone dirty play BUT viewed through the emotional eyes of spectators. AND if you want to really heat up this discussion what do you mean by “in bred or whatever”?
@Tjoppa: As Grassy has said, Affies are in a different class – no arguments whatsoever, great rugby team. However, it is almost as if they cannot help themselves when it comes to playing dirty……in bred or whatever. They would most probably win their games by higher margins if they concentrated on the game only, and they would win more neutrals over.
@Tjoppa: I am not sure what form “disrupting” takes, but I can tell you I have never witnessed it at College, nor from any of the opposition I have watched. Well, bar one away College match, but not worth mentioning. So, I am not sure where it is considered rugby, I don’t get it.
@Tjoppa: Ons speel eers saterdag in Beeld quarters teen HTS Middelburg in Middelburg… gaan baie tough wees…
ek kan sommer hoor jyt my vreeslik baie gemis?
@Tjoppa: Spectators disrupting line out calls is quite normal?? Sre you on drugs? Maybe in Pretoria boet.
@Tjoppa: no excuses about the loss, Affies were clearly the better team and deserved winners. However, I hate off the ball stuff. It’s not needed at this level. I’m sure investigations will be done and action taken by both schools. Great win again for our 2nd team, 2 years in a row now. Those who question Glenwood 2nd team need to rethink. However, the Cherries in a couple of weeks is a different story. The beat Grey PE 2nd by over 100 points!!!! Sheez!
@Amalekite: Disrupting line out calls by spectators, really I watch at least 40 SBR games a year and you are childish now. It happens all over even at Grey, Boishaai and other top schools. I repeat I do not condone blatant dirty play BUT it is rugby.
@Grasshopper: And I am sure that dr Edwards will handle even if it mean that the team will loose players before Pretoria BH. It happened before, meaning players in 1st team banned from playing, not sure if for dirty play. But we us spectators are also quick to point out the opposing team’s “shortcomings” because we tend to see only that that was to our team’s disadvantage, being it a forward pass, a ref’s mistake etc etc. Accept it was a game always played with big emotion by 18 year old boys who’s hormones is def not in sync.
@Greenwood: If it was recorded it will almost certainly land up on You tube.
I cannot comment on the booing as I was sitting behind the South poles. I can however confirm that the Affies boys on the stands tried their level best to disrupt the Glenwood lineouts and were encouraged to do so by their cheerleaders.
I was neutral at the start of the game, but due to the unnecessary behaviour of the Affies players, I ended up supporting Glenwood and was pleased when they scored the only try after the brawl with 14 men.
Affies need to clean up their act. After watching Paarl Gym and Grey Bloem, you walk away with a feeling of awe and respect. I cannot say the same for the boys from Pretoria. The message needs to come from the top. As McCulleys has said, why is it necessary when you are winning comfortably? I don’t get it. They play great rugby and should just keep it clean. The results would be the same and more pleasant for all involved.
@Tjoppa: I’m sure Glenwood were not innocent but they are not known for off the ball stuff at all, so they must have been provoked. Anyway, always two sides to every story. Glenwood have only really had heated games against DHS in the past…
@Greenwood: It depends who won. Post post
I think rather send to dr Edwards. The guilty parties will pay I promise.
Amalekite
Thanks for your comments on the Glenwood – Affies game . It’s good to read comments from a “neutral” spectators’ point of view – had any GWD blogger commented on these off the ball incidents it would have been seen as sour grapes because of the loss – you are spot on and there was a HUGE fight below the main stands – what was worrying though was the booing from mostly GWD supporters when a lone Affies player who was subbed walked passed the stands . My mate managed to record most of the brawl – now the question to all the bloggers out there – would it right or wrong for SBR to post this on you tube ??????????????????
@Rugbyman: How is the u/16’s going?
@McCulleys Workshop: Agree 100% but we must admit Affies will not be the last. And Glenwood not at all innocent.
@McCulleys Workshop: Careful now… u dare not say anything remotely negative towards Affies… Tjoppa will have your head on a plate…
@Tjoppa: Not my team, but as a general rule of thumb, the boys and the crowd usually display very good sportsmanship from what I’ve seen and they play a clean game of rugby. This other stuff is BS. Why when you have a dominating team would you subject yourself to off the ball play? Coaching. It takes nothing from the fact that they are deserved winners and a skilled team.
@Grasshopper: @McCulleys Workshop: @Amalekite: Why is everybody fighting with your team? But be sure I like hard but clean rugby do not condone dirty play.
@McCulleys Workshop: I heard the same thing. I remember the American touring side causing trouble and actually punched Chippy Oelofse in the open. It must have taken quite a lot to get the reserves on. I hope the fixture is dropped, never felt it being a proper match up anyway. Much prefer a game against KES, Jeppe or PBHS…
@Amalekite: Same as last year, as I have blogged here before. It’s all in the coaching, unnecessary off the ball intimidation tactics. In years of watching Grey Bloem I’ve never seen these antics. Big deal to be a bully at schoolboy level, good luck next year. Agree with your sentiments entirely.
Watched Glenwood vs Affies.
Affies are clearly in the same super league as Paarl Gym. Outeniqua and Grey Bloem in terms of size and ability.
The disappointing aspect of this side is the unknown reason why they feel the need to be dirty.
I witnessed their number 5, Snyman, biting a Glenwood player, strangling Van den Heever and stepping on Morne Joubert’s arm after he had scored a try. This was just the tip of the ice berg. There were plenty of other unsavoury off the ball incidents.
Eventually the Glenwood players had enough and took the matter into their own hands which resulted in a mass brawl, which in turn led to the red carding of Van den Heever who came flying in with his shoulder.
The ref was hood winked by the Affies players antiques as he was following the game, and most of this happened off the ball. It was a great pity that Glenwood did not organise society linesmen instead of schoolboys.
Affies may be ranked 1 or 2 in the country, but they are certainly not out to there to make any friends, which is a great pity. If I was the Glenwood headmaster I would delete them from my fixture list.
@Grasshopper: Thank you Mr Hopper. Your teams did very well. If I look at the scores of the 2, 3 and 4th teams you are going to give us sticks in 2014. Always a pleasure to compete against the GM.
Yep, well done Affies. They went rampant in the 2nd part of the 1st half. So they beat College by 31 points and Glenwood by 30, pretty convincing against two young KZN teams. Glenwood beat College by 1, so fair reflection….